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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues is the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens
on early edition with one roof Make your Property Search Simple,
News Talks B.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well, good morning to you and thank you so much
for choosing us. If you're working today, thank you so
much for keeping the economy moving. If you're not, go
back to bed. So on the program today. If the
government is going to demand farmers preserve special places on
their farms, should they be funding farmers to look after them?
That question with Federated Farmers In about five minutes time.
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The Coast to Coast kicks off today. We're going to
talk to the organizer of the Longest Day and how
deep is the current crisis between New Zealand and the Cocklands.
We'll talk to an international relations expert just before six.
Those stories plus corresponders from around New Zealand and around
the world, and news as it breaks. You can text
me on ninety two ninety two. A small charge does apply.
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It's seven up to five.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It is Friday, the seventh of February and Donald Trump
has reaffirmed his Gaza Riviera plan insisting no US soldiers
will be needed for taking over the Gaza strip. In
his social media posts, Trump says Gaza will be turned
over to the United States by Israel at the conclusion
of fighting. He says Palestinians would have already been resettled
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in fast, safer, and more beautiful communities with new and
modern homes in the region.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
He has opened up that question about how do you
reconstruct Gaza. But remember this is a man who appealed
to his supporters by saying he doesn't believe in nation building,
he doesn't believe in getting involved in conflicts overseas. So
this is why it's really vague.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Meanwhile, it is decision day for millions of US federal employees.
They must decide whether to take the government's deferred resignation offer.
If they don't take the deal, the Office of Personnel
Management has worn them that are at risk of losing
that job. Now, the whole aim is to shrink and
reshape the federal workforce.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
At least forty thousand people within the government have accepted this. That's,
you know, in comparison to the one hundred thousand target
that the government has for who they want to accept
this and.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Still with the States, a new lawsuit alleging drugging and
sexual assault has been filed against the US rapper Sewan
Diddy Combs, and it comes as he awaits trial on
charges of sex trafficking.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
We have cases where the allegations are that this happened
at studios, that this happened at hotels, that this happened
at bars, that this happened backstage, and of course we're
still sifting through all that. We intend to file multiple
more cases in the next two weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
And back at home, one of our police officers has
been hit by a vehicle unbelievably. The attack took place
in Huntley on Wednesday. It left the officer with moderate injuries.
And remember it's only month since Senior Sergeant Lynn Fleming
was actually killed in a similar fashion. It's nine after five.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
The News you Need this morning and the in depth
Analysis Early edition with Andrew Dickens and one roof Make
Your Property Search, Simple News Talk, sippy.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So white tongue. He came and went at apart from
full beaches. Frankly, nothing happened. All those division mongers spreading
warnings of rancor and pushing and shoving and bad behaviors
were woefully wrong. There was only one real headline, the
turning of backs and the moving microphone for David Seymour,
which was understandable because Mary met where Mary talked and
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told David Seymour of their concerns and David Seymour ignored
them and kept to the script that David Seymour has
spoken to for a year, so nothing to hear there,
so they turned their back. And remember the whole thing
about Mary speechifying on the mara is the importance of
listening for Maori. David wasn't listening, so the host decided
end of speech and that was that. But is that
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that It wasn't a grand meeting of the tribes to
debate civil war. In fact, numbers were weighed out of
last year. I think maybe a year of debating the
Treaty Principal's Bill meant that White Hangy was not going
to be the hot spot of contention that people hyped
it up to be. There was no violence, not like
the old days with police barricades, but something did happen.
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Shane Jones said the Treaty Principal's Bill is not going ahead.
Winston Peters said the Treaty Principal's Bill is not going ahead.
And the Prime Minister, in a column in The Herald
in black and white and in writing, said the Treaty
Principal's Bill is not going ahead. So that's five out
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of the six parties in Parliament, our representatives, five of
them out of six have said it's not going ahead.
The only parliamentary supporters are ACT. That's not enough. It's
not going ahead. So if you don't mind. After a
lovely day's holiday and reflecting on how amazing New Zealand is,
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could we all just get back to work and fix
the real problem, which is our economy now. For all
the German gloom about our economy, apparently demand for New
Zealand businesses is strong. According to a new report from
ABC Business Sales, there is record demand for business ownership
and this is driving business valuations higher and the reason
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for it is our record immigration. New arrivals are keen
to find a business, to get their teeth into, to
make their new home. These guys are from India, from
the Philippines and China. They prefer business ownership over salaried employment.
So buyer demand is up thirty nine percent year on year,
which is great news for business owners exhausted by five
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years of COVID and financial downturn. But if you are
a business owner and you're thinking of selling your baby
and spending some more time at the beach or maybe
at the gym, remember you might get a good price
right now when you sell, but when it comes time
to get back on the horse again, it's going to
be way more expensive. So think to yourself, is this
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the time for a cup of tea? Or should you
just hang on for another year or two and hope
that the good times return. It is five point thirteen.
The Queen Elizabeth the second National Trust has a fund
to look after special areas like bush and wetland, and
they dole it out to farmers. This fund is not
going up in any way, shape or form, and farmers
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are saying, if the government calls on us to look
after these special pieces of land, shouldn't they give us
some more money. We'll talk about this with Federated Farmers
in a moment. It's five thirteen.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition Andrew Dickens
and One Room to make your property search simple. News dogs, it'd.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Be it's a quarter past five on a Friday, and
farmers are calling on the government to double the amount
of funding land owners get to help protect special areas
and species on private farming land. They get this money
from the Queen Elizabeth the Second National Trust. It was
set up to encourage people to look after things like
special areas of bush and wetland and the animals and
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the critics that live there. But Federated Farmers says government
funding has remained the same at four point three million
dollars for a decade, despite costs and demand increasing. So
we've got the vice president of Federated Farmers joining me
right now, Colin Hurst. Good morning to you, sir.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Yeah, good morning Andrew.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
A decade. It hasn't changed for a decade.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Yeah, I know, it's quite unbelievable. Inflation sort of gone
up over the past of years. So we just think
it's time for the country to get in and a
step in and help farmers and lease special areas.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
And four point three million dollars seems like a drop
in the bucket.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Yeah, it's not much really on the on the face
of it. You know, there's significant areas farmers particular. That's
I think it's one hundred and eighty seven thousand hectears,
which is a pretty big area.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well, I was going to say, you told me the
hect is but how many actual farms need this funding?
How many farmers are involved with looking for funding and
then looking after special places.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Well, so there's five two hundred areas protected, and there
could be more than one on farm, So not exactly
sure how many areas but of farms, but's a that's
a pretty signetic area.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Five two hundred is a big number. Don't you worry
about that, mate, It's it's a big number. So over
the ten years, while funding has stayed static, how has
demand increased?
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Definitely? Here, Well it's so it's gone from four thousand
to five two hundred over the last ten years, so
there's twenty eight percent increased. So certainly the demand here
and this farmer is lining up to protect these special areas.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
So if you have twenty eight percent more demand for funding,
then surely the funding should have gone up twenty eight
percent and that leans it would then be considered to
have stayed static.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, definitely. Well yeah, well that's yeah,
so that's why we're asking for an increase.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So what what is this money specifically used for.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Well, if a farmer has an area of land and
want he voluntarily wants to protect it for the country,
they need to identify the area, they need to fence
it off, they need to take care of the peace
and weeds and that type of thing, and then there's
legal costs to get it because these special areas are
protected on the title of their land, so it's there
forever it cannot be taken off. So's it's sort of
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like a national park really that it's that well protected.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And how expensive is that to protect these bits of
land that the farmers have been told that they have
to protect.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Well, there was a study done in the Waiketta University
and they're estimating it's between four hundred and forty million
and six hundred and thirty million, and that was a
decade ago those figures, so it's obviously be a whole
lot more.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Now, hold on, you're saying four to six hundred million
and yet the funding is four point three.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Yeah, it's as you feel, the figures in significant really
that we just need the government to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Really, well, what are you going to do next?
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Well, we're starting to have a bit of a publicity
campaign about it. Look, I think it's a no brainer.
The other little part about this, there's the rules that
like the significant natural areas. That's something the government are
putty hot on. This is what district councils do. That's
the stick approach. You know, farmers must do this, but
we think the Quy two funding is a whole lot
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better way to do it. This is voluntarily tacking areas.
And farmers just want to do this sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Of course, if you've got the will, all you need
is the money. And that's a good thing. And I
thank you so much. Colin Hurst is the Federated Farmer's
Vice President and this is news. Talk to the Coast
to Coast kicks off today, an event I have absolutely
no desire to do whatsoever, but I am in full
respect of anyone who's mad enough to give it a crack.
We'll talk to the director next on.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with Andrew
Dickens and One Room Make Your Property Search Simple, You
Talk Siddy.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It is five twenty one and the Coast to Coast
kicks off today in the West Coast and organizers say
they're expecting this year's elite longest daycad agree to be
one of the most thrilling and competitive in the year's
forty three year history. Coast to Coast Race director Glenn
Curry is up early and joins you. Now, helly, Glenn,
how are you?
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Andrew?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I'm good. Sometimes when I do this show, I worry
that you know, you guys, the talent isn't going to
wake up in time. But you've got a big day.
So you've been up for a while. I bet yeah,
And I know.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
We start pretty early over the next few days, so
you know well and truly up, and a lot of
the athletes are up to now and starting to roll
into that first transition.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Excellent. How many athletes have you got over.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
The two days. We've got total around seventeen hundred athletes
and we're about six thousand support crews. So that's what's
going to be moving across the South Island today.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Paint a picture for those who have never heard about
the Coast to Coast or even thought about the Coast
to Coast. I mean, what are these poor athletes facing.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
The Coast to Coast is forty three years old. It
starts on the west coast of the South Island, just
south of Greymouth here on the beach on Serpentine Beach.
The athletes basically from there they cycle fifty five kilometers
into the base of the Southern Alps and then they
across the Southern Alps through a pass known as Goat Pass.
The two day athletes stay the night after that run
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at Klondike Corner on the East coast, and then they
cycle eighteen k before kayaking seventy kilometers down the Wye
Macerri River and then finishing with a seventy k cycle
to New Brighton Beach and christ Church and the one
day athlete starts to Moorrow into the entiredy of that
in the day.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Basically sounds awful.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
There's a lot of smiling people around here. We would
argue it's a pretty special experience and if even coming
to have a look at the whole event, it's pretty amazing.
It's humanity at its best. Og.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, I get that. So there's the thing. You've got
loads of athletes, how many spectators actually make the trek
up to Goat Pass wherever you know in the hinterland
to watch this thing.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Yeah, So Klondoli Corner is one of our busiest areas.
That's in the middle of the Arthurst Pass National Park
and usually you'd see the odd odd trembrough whatever camped
up there, but we'll have about seven thousand people camping
there to night. We basically set up at village for
all the competitors and supporters tonight, so we have a
full village there and there's a lot of entertainment down
there today. So yeah, and then on the finish line
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tomorrow at New Brighton, you know, we get up to
over ten thousand people basically, yeah, down at New Brighton tomorrow,
so the exciting.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It sounds as big of th Mount Everest. So here's
the question, who's going to win?
Speaker 7 (13:37):
Oh, that's yeah, and that is a great question this year.
So we've got some incredible athletes, you know, probably some
of the big names. We've got some mo Myo's actually
going for the record of wins tomorrow of six total
wins and that'll be the most wins of any female
in the history of the event. And then we've got
a guy by the name of Sam Clark who's back.
He's won the event a number of times and he's
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fairly excited. But yeah, I know, we have an Australian
and Australian hasn't won the event since nineteen ninety three.
And there's a really really talent Australian and Alan Alex
Hunter's just you know, he's champing at the bitt and
you got seeking last year just so he'll he'll be
you know, he'll be here. We going for it and
then last year's wine Haemous Elliott the men. Yeah, the
race is just going to be super close, very exciting.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
This has been a great interview and I thank you
so much. You know, good luck and I'm sure it's
going to go well. You sound like a good bloke
and I thank you. And that is Glenn Curry who
is the race It is the race director for the
Coast to Coast which kicks off today. It's five twenty five.
On Wednesday, Kieren mcinnulty had a warning for the government.
I'll tell you more.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Next the early edition Full the Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 2 (14:50):
News Talk Zibby. It is five twenty seven. I'm Andrew Dickens.
So the last thing I did before the way Tigy
Day holiday was talked to Kiera McNulty about the financial
strife surrounding order, and that interview has bugged me ever since.
The Labor Housing spokesperson denied the agency was in financial difficulty.
He told me that Housing New Zealand's asset base was
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so large there was no problem borrowing more money to
keep its construction schedule on track. And that response bugged
a lot of you too. And the typical thing I
got on the text machine was augh typical socialists, just
borrow more and more to fund your ideological program. But
you know what, it doesn't really have anything to do
with your political bent, whether you're left or right. It's
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basic physical management. The world is full of people who
have the assets to borrow whatever they like, but the
devil in the detail is whether they have the capacity
to pay it back, and increasingly, as a nation, we don't. Yes,
our debt is internationally insignificant and not at an extreme level.
We're not like the UK or the United States, who
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have debt ratios over one hundred percent of GDP, and
we certainly not like Japan, who has a yet of
over two hundred and fifty percent of GDP. And that's
a country that's stuck with stagflation and has been since
the nineties, but still we are heavily indebted and our
cash flow is poor because the economy is poor. And
what Karin and the Labour Party don't realize is that
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is the principal reason they no longer control the Treasury benches.
Sure at the last election there were side shows like
the gender war, of Maori relations and benefit levels, but
at the core of Labour's electoral collapse was the feeling
that they were not fiscally prudent and that recklessness with
debt was not the right direction for the country. So
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we voted them out. And I think this is a
lesson for the current government, who, for all their posturing
that they are the most prudent fiscal managers, are still
running deficits, falling further into debt, and the timing of
future surpluses is sliding ever further into the future. Always
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remember this deficits mean borrowing. And I know and you
know that New Zealanders are not happy voting for anyone
who commits us to that sort of track.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Andrew dickens all Right.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Over the weekend, Donald Trump came up with the idea
of the Gaza River era, and the question that the
world had is is this a Trump fantasy or is
this a real way forward? So we'll look at the
world's reaction to the plan in just a few months time.
And also the other story is Santorini and Greece falling
into the sea. Vincent mcavenni coming up here on news
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story said.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
News and Views you trust to start your day. It's
early edition with Andrew Dickens and one roof Make your
Property Search Simple news Talk said, be.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
All right, today after work, I'm going to the Coramandel
and tomorrow I'm going to see this band on their
farewell tour, that is Sheehard and Home Again. They're a
former Wellington band who have brought New Zealand for thirty
years and they're calling it today. And so when I
saw this is last year, when I saw they were
calling into Funko Matara, I thought, what a lovely place
to go and see Sheehard play. So I went and
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booked it. It was about a week later that I
realized that I hadn't just booked to go and see
Sheehard and the d four and the Dudes for goodness
Say and Cora, and also that I hadn't actually booked
to go to Fungo Matar. I was going to a
place called Joe's farmin and Putuli. I had actually booked
tickets to attend the Kickdown Festival. This is New Zealand's
(18:49):
biggest gathering of motorcycling and for sionados, it is a
veritable orgy of Harley's and Triumphs and Norton's and dirt bikes,
featuring an army of hog riders and their girlfriends clad
in so much leather that they squeak when they walk.
Now here's the thing. I'm not a motorcycle nut. I'd
be the furthest thing from a motorcycle nut. I am
going to stick out like the proverbial. This gig has
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got the possibility of being the dirtiest and most fairal
rock and roll gig of the summer, being held in
the Corimandel. It'll be under a blue haze, if you
know what. And when I start thinking about what I've
gone and done, I'm frankly both excited and quite apprehensive.
Hey go to textan and this is from Jamie who
reckons is a major on the Southern Motorway in Auckland,
(19:30):
just north of the Monico northbound motorway closed for at
least the last hour, so we'll have more details and
times savored traffic still to come. On the program, we'll
talk about the crisis between the Cook Islands and New Zealand.
How deep is it. Steve has already written to me
and said, let China have the Pacific Islands. They're just freeloaders.
Is that right, Steve. Well, we'll talk more about this
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with an international expert. Just before six. It is twenty
one to six dickens around the country. We go and
to Auckland. First, we're going to Sergle. Hello, Michael, good morning,
So you're going to talk. Oh, sorry, you're from Dunedin.
I'm sorry I got that wrong. Welcome to Dunedin. Oh,
the oldest cinema in New Zealand's burnt.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
Yeah, this is really sad news. The historic Roxburgh Town
Hall has been destroyed by fire or cerning that the
roof has been very badly damaged, home to the local cinema,
which has been showing movies since eighteen ninety seven, making
it possibly the longest continuously running cinema in the whole world.
Locals calling the news devastating and very very sad and
local councilor telling us lots of work's gone into the
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place recently, including earthquake, strengthening a firewall and even the
recent installation of a new sound system as well.
Speaker 9 (20:38):
Sad day.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
It is a sad day. Yesterday I went to the
oldest cinema in Auckland, the Victoria in Devenport. I saw
the Bob Dylan film Complete Unknown Can. I highly recommend it.
How's Aukland's weather Dunedian's weather fine apart from morning cloud?
Speaker 8 (20:51):
The high in the city eighteen degrees.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Sorry, I'm confused. Right we go to christ Us now,
I hope and Jamie Cunningham joins me. Now, good morning.
You want to talk about the coast to coast Yes well.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
And for one North Canterbury teen, it's been a roller
coaster ride to get there. Just eighteen months on from
a serious motorbike accident, sixteen year old Riley Abbotts taking
on the three person relay with his mum and dad
and raising money for the Westpac Rescue helicopter. He's cycling
one hundred and forty kilometers even though he needs a
hip replacement following his twenty twenty three accident. Almost three
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thousand dollars has been raised so far. He says he
always wanted to give back as they were the first
responders to his incident. He says it started with a
five dollar donation for every kilometer, which turned into ten
dollars before fundraising blew up.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
All right, how's christiach weather and particularly for tomorrow when
everyone arrives at New Brighton. Well today it's.
Speaker 9 (21:45):
A bit cloudy, which clears in the afternoon, then a
few fine spells southeasterly turning northeasterly in a high of
nineteen and I believe tomorrow is looking even warmer.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Great stuff, and I thank you. We go to Wellington now,
Thomas right, hello, good morning. Well we've had Ahuiyo mata.
Speaker 10 (22:01):
Yes, so a man's appearing in court today over the
fight and that left another man seriously injured. So officers
were called to a supermarket car park on the Strand
on Saturday night, but those involved left before officers who
had arrived.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Shortly after.
Speaker 10 (22:14):
Emergency services were called to Riverside Drive, where a man
was found in his vehicle with serious injuries. Police say
they believe it followed a road rage incident on Winuiyomuta
Road between Rata Street and the Strand. Now a twenty
three year old will Man was facing a charge of
wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm in the
Lower Hut District Court today and police say that they're
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still wanting to hear from witnesses as the supermarket was
open at the time of the alleged assault.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
How's well into his weather?
Speaker 10 (22:41):
It's okay, partly cloudy, then clearing to find by midday
some southeasterlyes easing in the evening with a high of nineteen.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Great stuff and to or can we finally go for real?
Neva Retamano? Hello, Yes, come in Auckland. Yes, I'm definitely Northland.
You definitely are. So tell me about the Langwave fertival
featuring Charlie XC, which my my son went to. What
did he but there was some difficulties.
Speaker 11 (23:03):
Did he get in there?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Well, I don't know yet. Oh okay.
Speaker 11 (23:06):
So we're talking about this ticketing malfunction now a lot
of frustration for some of the attendees yesterday. So Ticketech
asked those who couldn't see this is about their ticket
barcode on its app. They had yeah, a bit of
trouble with that, so they said, look, if you can't
see your barcode, then go to the box office for assistance.
And getting into Western Springs yesterday, well you can imagine
what happened there, ques extending about four hundred meters, thousands
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of fans waiting, and the extra forty five minutes in
the heat. So not good, not good. But apparently Laneway
posted on since to this is about quarter to three
that the issue had been resolved and email ticket holders
the tickets as a backup. But on the Herald website yesterday,
you know you had some of the ones, those young
people waiting there frustrated. A couple of them missed you
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know the exit.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I can tell it.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
At three o'clock in the afternoon, a woman called Olivia
Dean's played and she's she was the big one. She
was a big up and comer than Charlie Exis, who
is the headliner. And of course that's at three, and
there's ticket tech saying all we sorted out by quarter
to three, but the cues were still going and people
missed Olivia.
Speaker 11 (24:08):
And if you missed it, I know I'd be crying
I'd be especially too, how much with the tailer about.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
To at quite a lot for the young people. Here's
my thing, because I'm going to dig this weekend. I'm
going to she had this weekend. Yeah, Joe's farm in
the BUTTERI and that was Yeah, I know it's in
the middle of nowhere. Anyway. The thing about that is
you get you get the phone ticket and it's got
the QR code on it or it's got a bark.
I never trust that, so you know what I do?
Speaker 11 (24:31):
You printed out?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I always printed out. I do too.
Speaker 11 (24:34):
I think it's because we're oldies.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yes, yeah, I think you've.
Speaker 11 (24:37):
Got to print it.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Enough of that house.
Speaker 11 (24:38):
Awker's with her fine Apart from warning Cloud twenty six
is the high here in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I thank you. Vincent Macavenni is next. It is seventeen
minutes to six. He's going to talk about Trump's Gaza
Riviera plan. What do you think of it? And also
is Santa Reni sinking into.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
The seat International correspondence with ends and eye insurance Peace
of mind for New Zealand business.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
It is fourteen minutes to six and this is News
Talks B and I am Andrew Dickens and Mike Hoskins
breakfast show is coming up at six o'clock this morning,
and Vincent McAvennie is in the United Kingdom but unable
to be with us at this moment. He's wanting to
talk about the Gaza Riviera plan that was put forward
by Donald Trump. This was the idea that after fighting
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has finished, that the United States of America would take
ownership of the Gaza Strip and then redevelop it. And
he says, I'm not trying to be smart, I'm not
trying to take the mickey, but this will be a
beautiful place to be, like the Riviera, the Gaza Riviera,
of course, seemingly ignoring the fact that it always used
to be the rivi Era. It used to be like
that back in the day. Beay Route was one of
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the hot spots of the entire world in Lebanon. But then,
of course the conflict came, and then of course we've
had all the separation in the two different states. So
this is not something that people necessarily want or enjoy,
particularly not the Garz And so Vincent mcaveni is with
us now, how a Vincent, Hello, good morning. Tell us
about the reaction to the Gaza rivieeroplane.
Speaker 12 (26:07):
Well, there's been a huge reaction across Europe and the
Middle East to this plan, and I think it can
be said it is sort of universal condemnation of the
very idea. The terms ethnic cleansing are being used by leaders,
but they're all sort of having to be very careful
in how they come out and criticize what Donald Trump
has said, because Donald Trump's team tried to walk things
(26:27):
back yesterday, but this morning in Washington, DC, he's reiterated
he wants to clear the Palestinians out. He wants to
make this so called riviera of the Middle East. And
so what countries are doing is they're sort of not
trying to When leaders are like se Kirstarma, for instance
here in Britain, are being asked questions about this plan,
they're simply restating their own national posins. Pretty much universal
in Europe is that there is a two state solution.
(26:50):
That is the only solution on the table. The Palestinian
should be allowed to keep their land. So that is
the difficult dance that leaders are trying to make with Europe.
Of course, very much on watch for what Donald Trump
is saying about Greenland, and his sort of expansionist ideas
in his second term.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Okay, and then tell us about the Greek island of Centerini.
It's a beautiful place, famous for its blue roofs and
its white buildings carved into rock faces. Apparently it's falling
into the sea.
Speaker 12 (27:16):
Yeah, it is a picture perfect island, very popular with tourists,
so much so that it has become incredibly overcrowded in
recent years. But they've had tourists flocking off the island.
Eleven thousand have left by fairy and by air in
the past couple of days because they have had an
unprecedented continuous streak of earthquakes, one measuring five point two
(27:38):
and this is something that's been going on for several
days now, causing cracks and damage so far, with expectations
that this could continue for the foreseeable. So they've declared
a national an island state of emergency for the next
month because they're so worried about what could happen. As
you mentioned, those sort of famous houses and buildings sort
(27:59):
of carved right into the which of course might not
be able to withstand such tremors, which.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Will break my heart. I've never been vincent Macaveni, I
thank you. It's eleven to six, all right. Cook Islands
Prime Minister Mike Brown is traveling to Beijing today, where
he's expected to sign a major partnership deal between the
Cook Islands and China. Our government, of course, has been
completely blindsided by this, and there's still questions around whether
constitutional arrangements have been breached. And many of the residents
(28:26):
of the Cook Islands are also saying, what's in the deal,
but Mike's not telling us. International relations expert Jeffrey Millard
joins me, Now, Hello, Jeffrey.
Speaker 13 (28:34):
Good morning Andrew.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Do you know what's in the deal?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Well, we do know.
Speaker 13 (28:39):
Some things that are in the deal. Mark Brown has
said in his interview with TV and Z that it
will be an economics focused to the deal that will
not contain defense and security. It seems likely it's going
to be a comprehensive strategic partnership agreement with China. New
Zealand has one of its own. It has its own
comprehensive Strategic Partnership China agreement that it's signed with China
way back in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
But is it acceptable that this deal has seemingly remained
mostly secret to both the Cork Islands people and the
New Zealand government.
Speaker 13 (29:08):
Well, look, Whens in Peters is not very happy about it.
You would have to say put it mildly. In fact,
they put out quite an extraordinary statement Virus fokesperson yesterday
saying that New Zealand and the Cork Islands are not
seeing eye to eye on a number of issues. And
normally these kinds of things that I've dealt with behind
the scenes, but this is now blown up in the media.
I think some of these problems really are homegrown though
in New Zealand. They go back over across success in
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New Zealand governments. New Zealand signed and agreement back in
two thousand and one that said the Cork Islands was
a sovereign and independent state, but also should consult on
foreign affairs issues. I think Mark Brown's argument will be
that he has consulted, and certainly there have been regular
consultations between the Cork Islands and New Zealand. This agreement
(29:51):
is not about defense and security. There was a special
agreement last year signed between the Corklands and New Zealand
which required a consultation defense and security. This isn't about that.
It's going to be about fisheries, on an Into Ireland ferry,
on deep sea mining. In the end, the Cock Islands,
like a lot of Pacific states, simply want development.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And if it goes to beating and he signs on
the dotted line and he gets the fairies and he
gets the deep sea mining and all that sort of thing,
is that a done deal or do we have the
ability to veto it?
Speaker 13 (30:23):
No, I don't think New Zealand has any real ability
of veto Look. I think the simple message for New
Zealand here is that if New Zealand doesn't want Cock
Islands going off to China and signing agreements and Easter
front up was the cash itself. And that was very
much the message from Mark Brown that New Zealand's only
given sixty million dollars of grant money in the last
three years and really the onus is on New Zealand
(30:45):
to pay up. And I think we could actually have
a useful cooperation here. You remember New Zealand has good
friendly relations with China as well. New Zealand is cooperated
with China in the Corck Islands in the past on
building water infrastructure in Roatan, so There's no reason why
New Zealand can't get together with China and Cock Islands
and develop some projects together and work together. Because this
(31:08):
is all rather unedifying. And this is turning fast, turning
into a diplomatic debarcle. Who was meant to be a
celebration this year of sixty years of ties of the
Cook Islands and free association with New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Well, said Jeffrey Miller, of course, international relations expert. There
are some that say, of course, that Mike Brown is
doing this because of the proposal of a separate Cook
Island's passport, us taking away the New Zealand passport. Certainly,
I love the word unedifying. The whole thing is rather unedifying.
It is seven to six.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Andrew Dickens on early edition with one roof make your
property surge, simple youth dog zibby.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
So why taking day Caine went And Shane Jones says
the treaty principle this bill is not going ahead, and
when St. Peter said the Treaty principals bill is not
going ahead. And of course the Prime Minister Christopher luxA
was in an editorial in The Herald and Black and
White and Right saying the Treaty Principal's bill is not
going ahead. So that's now five out of the six
parties in Parliament that say it's not going ahead. So
I guess it's not going ahead. But Paul Lean's just
(32:08):
written to me and said, you need to think again.
There's so many hundreds of thousands of submissions enter for
that bill to be put to the recipe of the
people in New Young it will not go away, she
writes in capitals. Democracy will went through in the end
for sure. Well, we'll let and see. I can tell
you for sure that Mike Hoskin's on after Sex. Good morning, dude.
She's dreaming, but.
Speaker 14 (32:30):
She's passionate, and she believes with being passionate time she's dreaming.
Having said that, the Winston Peter thing, I'm looking forward
to having Winston on the program this morning because of
all the people. You remember in twenty seventeen, one of
the first things he did after he anointed just to
run the place was write a check for a billion
dollars to the Pacific, And it came out of the
blue for most of us, and he argued that friendship counted,
(32:51):
but we hadn't done all we needed to do and
money would help et cetera, et cetera of China fast
and so he saw it coming. So so good on
him for having the b But then what I argued
at the time, and I remember talking to him about it,
not that he'll like being reminded about it this morning,
I said, Ultimately, what will happen as a check book
wins every time? And if somebody can come to you
with a checkbook the size of the Chinese and build
(33:12):
yourself a presidential palace and a wharf, and you know,
all that sort of stuff, and.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
We've ended up and some fairies, I mean, if China
came to us and said one some fairies won a
wharf that's earthquake proof, I mean, have they?
Speaker 14 (33:23):
And then we got the guy Brown who runs Rara
Tongu is saying that they funnel a billion dollars our way.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I can't work out where he got that night. Have
you been to Rara Tongue. I've been to a billion.
Speaker 14 (33:34):
So anyway, so you've got the two things. You've got China,
and then you've got this this seemingless angst now and
so we got big issues.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
So anyway, he's on the program, Thank you, so much
for working and keeping the economy rolling. It is a
great pleasure. Thank you for your company this week. My
thanks to Kinzie who has just taken over the job
full time as producer. You're doing an author awesome job.
I almost said awful tonight. You are doing an awesome,
awesome job and I love working with you and thank
you so much. I'll be back on Monday. See you then,
have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
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