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On the Early Edition with Andrew Dickens Full Show Podcast Friday 11th of July 2025, the Government's going to address the country's scamming issues head on with a anti-scam alliance, NZ Banking Association Chief Executive Roger Beaumont, tells Andrew Dickens the difference it will make.
The All Blacks are taking on France this weekend in Wellington, Newstalk ZB's Jason Pine shares his thoughts ahead of the game.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
an early edition with ex Pole insulation, keeping Kiwi Holmes
warm and try this winter news talk said, be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome morning to you, and welcome to the end of
the week. Coming up for the next jour our thirty
thousand New Zealanders pack up shop and to bunk to Australia.
So how bad are these numbers? We'll have asb economists
Mark Smith and ten. The second test looms between France
and the All Blacks. Jason Pine is getting up early
for us. He'll be here in fifteen minutes time. The
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fortieth anniversary of the Rainbow Warriors sinking, and I'll tell
you where I was that Faithful minds and anti scam
alliances and the banning of crypto ATMs. We're talking banking
with Roger Beaumont from the Banking Association. Just before six.
There are weather warnings across New Zealand and a state
of emergency for Nelson Tasman, so we'll keep you informed
as the day goes on. We'll have correspondents from around
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New Zealand and around the world. Vincent mcavenni from the
UK and you can have your say by giving us
a text ninety two ninety two is the text number
a small town supplies, or you can email me Dickens
at Newstalk ZTB dot co dot NZ. It is eight
after five.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
It's Friday, the eleventh of July. A. UK Prime Minister
kier Stammer and French President Emmanuel Macron have unveiled a
joint deal on tackling migrants crossing the Channel on small boats.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Migrants arriving by a small boat will be detained and
returned to France in short order, in exchange for every
return a different individual. We're allowed to come here via
y safe route, controlled and legal, subject to strict security checks,
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and only open to those who have not tried to
enter the UK illegally.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Now to the Middle East and ten crew members have
been rescued and at least three others killed after a
cargo ship was attacked by Yemen's booties and then sunk
in the Red Sea. The Greek operated ship was carrying
twenty five crew when it was significantly damaged by rocket
propelled grenades fired from small boats. The aram Becked futies
say they were heading to Israel.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Those crew who have been captured by the Huthies. Now
might be being used by the Huthis as a kind
of leverage tactic from their side to put pressure on
the ongoing ceasefy negotiations.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
The Huthis are saying that their attacks on shipping and.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Israel did out of solidarity with the.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Palestinians in order to see an end to the war
in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Enter the Russian Ukraine War. Mak Rubio's been meeting with
his Russian counterpart, Sergey Levrov in Kuala Lumpur. There he
expressed the United States frustration.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
We understand that these things take time and patience, but
obviously we're also frustrated that more progress has not been made.
And hopefully we based on today and in the days
to come, we'll have more clarity about what exactly actually
the Russian position and priorities are in this regard and
can begin to make some progress. But it's you know,
it's been difficult, and it's nine after.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
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Speaker 2 (03:21):
So the debate on the expansion of our largest gold
mine has centered on lizards, which made for some good copy,
but not on the real subject, which is how much
gold is actually in there. As of twenty twenty five,
the McCrae's gold mine in Otago, which is New Zealand's
largest active gold mine, has produced about one point eight
million ounces of gold since it opened in nineteen ninety.
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The average amount of gold gets is one point six
grams per metric ton. The mine process is more than
five million tons of or per year and it produces
about five point seven tons of gold in that year. Now,
that is an all a lot of rock that got
to dig through to find a bit of gold. And
in fact, compared to the rest of the world, this
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is a pretty low yield and it's a good enough
business for mccraze. But to be honest, it's no bonanza
for New Zealand. There are jobs, yes, but it's not
a bonanza. And this is where I have a bit
of a problem. Spooking mining makes for good politics for
Shane Jones, but it's not the gold rush that he
likes to make out, and it's the same for oil
and gas. Prior to the moratorium on expiration, New Zealand
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had been striking out every time drills went into the ground,
and once it stopped, opponents of the Greenies who said
it was crippling the country had a free hit and
no one ever held them to account and wondered whether
they were letting hope trump reality. There is no real
proof that we are sitting on a literal gold mine.
In fact, the story is one of a lot of
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money thrown at low yields. So look, I'm not against oil,
gas and gold exploration per se. I'm not on the
lizard side. However, I'm not sure that it is the
grand economic revolution that Shane Jones believed. But hey, i'll
tell you what, it has a very rich yield in
terms of votes.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Said be.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
My youngest boy left for Australia a month ago. He'd
been working in New Zealand. He'd been working at the Herald.
Actually he'd been here for two years and then he
just went on twenty six I want to go to
a bigger place, and so he's gone to Melbourne. Thirty
thousand New Zealand has left the country for Australia last year. Now,
Ben would have left anyway even if we were in
great times. But we're not in great times. So this
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number thirty thousand, is it what often happens? Or is
this a standout? It's certainly the worst figures in ten years.
And what does it mean for our economy? Mark Smith
is the ASB senior economist and he's joining me. Next
news talks are B. It's twelve after five.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Andrew Dickens on early edition with ex bowl insulation keeping
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Speaker 2 (05:55):
We had another poll out yesterday. Winston's happy. But it
shows both our leaders. This is Hipkins and Laxon. They
both had favorability ratings under twenty percent and both National
and Labour is stuck on thirty percent. So does this
suggest that our two major parties are a bit useless
and our two leaders are a bit useless? What do
you think? You can text me on ninety two ninety
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two and I have some thoughts on this very shortly.
It is five point fifteen, so just under thirty thousand
New Zealand has left the country for Australia last year.
This marks the highest level of emigration across the Ditch
since twenty twelve, highest in a decade. Mark Smith has
got up early for us this morning, the senior economist
at ASP. Good morning to you, Mark, Good morning. Are
these bad numbers or is this the normal outflow of
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Kiwi's as part of our great diaspora.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
No, this figures are pretty bleak credit you think about it. Yeah,
the normal sort of average finet migration is about a
thirty thousand person inflow. We're currently running about fifteen thousand,
so about half of usual. What we've seen over the
last few years has been a shit up slow down
and the number of people coming in, and we've also
seen record numbers of people leaving. So it's really a
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reflection I suppose of how weak New zealm economy is.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I was about to say, so we've got less people
coming in and more people going out, So what does
that say to you?
Speaker 7 (07:15):
Yeah, it's very much a reflection of where we are
at the moment. I mean comparing with Australia about I
suppose the partures at the moment are at a record high,
and of that we've got about seventy thousand here we
are going offshore and probably about seventy percent of going
to Australia. So if you compare Australia, the unemprovment rate
has been lower about four percent of the last twelve months.
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Ours is five percent and climbing, And that's really a
reflection of where we are at the moment.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But Australia is a bit of a basketcase as well.
Is it the Elderado? Is it the great savior of people?
If they went over there, are they going to be
any better.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
Comparatively? Probably here, And that's probably the sad reality of
where we are at the moment. But yeah, sure Australia
is not the land of milk and honey for everyone,
but things are comparably stronger over there, and people are
voting with your seat, all.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Right, So how does this affect the economy? If more
people are going and that means there's people are out
there buying, it helps continue our moribund economy as it stands.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
Yeah, straight, So I think people are probably sort of
sort of struggling to realize why the New Zealand economy.
Consumer spending in the housing market is not really going
anywhere the lasted or twelve months, and this is really
probably one of the key outlists is really much slower
population growth. You think how they're viewing things will be.
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You know, the economy is struggling to gain traction and
with few people coming in, what it's really going to
do is really constrained demand and reserve bank. The key
thing will be implacently precious demetract will be lower. All
that's equal, and if you will see the special path
rate continue to fall from there.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And it interesting me to think about what that does
to housing because we need less roofs overheads.
Speaker 7 (09:03):
I yeah, that's right. You know, the housing market is
really a key catalyst very centris migration flows and a
housing market hasn't really gone in anywhere of the last
twelve months, and a key catalyst that would be very
very low numbers of lot of numbers of people coming
in and more people leaving.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And the only answer is to fix the economy. But
this current government's had eighteen months and they're not doing
that great a job at that.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
Well, it takes a long time to ten things around.
So but to the moment, people are voiding with his
feet unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Mark Smith, thank you for that depressing news on this
Friday morning. Come back though. We'll be fine soon enough.
All right, there's a big old test coming up this weekends,
and I think the biggest interest point is will the
all backs play better? It was a good test last weekend.
It was an enjoyable, entertaining test last weekend, but there
were just a few fumbles. I was thinking about it.
(09:55):
How in the second second half Ricolani spills the ball.
Then the French come back, this or a try and bomb.
Suddenly it's all on again. Can we do better? Have
we got a better team? We'll talk about this in
a few moments time with our sportscaster extraordin mayor Jason Pine.
Right here on news Talks. Heb it's five eighteen.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
The news you need this morning and the in depth
analysis earlier this year with Andrew Dickens and x full
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Speaker 2 (10:24):
Twenty two is the time. Here is the bloke who's
broadcasting from a shed this weekend. Jason Pine, Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
Hello Andrew, good morning mate.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Has it got insulation? Is it a warm shed?
Speaker 8 (10:35):
It's a very warm shed. It's a very hospitable shed.
Excuse me. Shed twenty two and downtown Wellington a great
place to broadcast a radio show.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
From and of course a home test for you, so
you've got your own bed to sleep, and so you
should be in great form. Now let's look at the match.
Captain Scott Barrett out for the rest of the series
due to a calf injury. So how does this side
perform without Barrett and how much will he regret not
having these games?
Speaker 8 (11:01):
Yeah, look, I think they'll be okay without him. I
mean it's always been a bit of a next man
up scenario for excuse me, for the All Blacks and
look Patrick two for loss who comes into the second row.
He's a pretty good replacement, rarely fifty test matches, he's
a experienced campaigner captain of the Blues. So look, I'm
not sure they'd lose a lot there. But when you
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lose your skipper, that is a you know, that's a
little hurdle to get over. I just wonder how injured
Scott Barrett might actually be. I think that there's a
concern that this isn't going to be a short term
thing for Scott Barrett. He's going to miss this game
and next weekend. But there's just a little bit of
doubt out there about whether he might actually be out
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for significantly longer than that. It's just a feeling you
get from the All Blacks when they talk about him
and say they're a little bit coy about exactly how
bad the injury is. So, look, he's out for this one.
Let's hope that he's going to be okay for the
Rugby Championship.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Let's be frank, the focus of our season is the
spring Box two games there and we want him back
for that. Caleb Clark gets a second chance. Now, what
does he have to do.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
I think he has to be good in the air.
I think that's one thing that they weren't last week
in Duneda and the All Blacks they just found it
very difficult to diffuse France's aerial game. So I think
that's one thing that they'll definitely have to do tomorrow,
and Caleb Clark's a big part of that. He's probably
the All Blacks best winger in terms of diffusing the
high bomb. He'd want to get a try as well, Andrew.
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He didn't get a single try in Super Rugby Caleb Clark,
which is so unusual for a winger. But yeah, look
he gets his opportunity. He is a good player and
let's hope that he can show that at Sky Stadium
tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And well, when the wingers don't get tries, I blame
the midfield, to be honest with you.
Speaker 8 (12:48):
And that's a great point. It's a great point. And look,
we know who plays at center for the Blues, and
that's Rico Youani. He'll be out on the other wing
tomorrow night. So it's Billy who has the task at
center with Jordy Barrett inside him to provide those opportunities
for the wingers. It's a great point. So yeah, let's
hope they can provide the ammunition for the likes of
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Clark and Yuannie and Will Jordan at fallback to score
some drives.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Actually, Rico has got a lot to prove as well.
If Billy's going to take over his role, which is
starting to look likely, he's got to make the wing
his home again.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
Yeah, isn't it funny that he's gone across the right
wing as well. I've always thought of Rico Yoani if
he is a winger, as a left winger with eleven
on his back. But look, I can't remember the last
time he played on the right wing. Our rugby editor
Elliott Smith told me yesterday. He reckons it's twenty nineteen,
which is an awfully long time ago. Look, I don't
know that there's a huge difference between playing on the
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left wing and on the right wing. But you're right,
he's got to find a place. If Billy Propt is
going to be the center, then Reco has to play
well on the wing just to make sure he's still
in the mix.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Jason, enjoy your weekend working out of a shed, and
I look forward to your sideline comments. And of course
Elliot Smith will be doing the call, and it's right
here on news Talks here B It is five to twenty.
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New Talks a B is five twenty six. So another poll,
another rush of fevered opinion, and yet still so far
away from an election. The pole business is booming. Once
upon a time we used to have the two TV
networks in the game, but now they've been joined by others,
keeping the opinion writers in business and politics as the
leading news driver in this country. So this one was
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paid for by the Taxpayers Union, and A breathlessly reports
that New Zealand First is on the rise. It is
now the third most popular party. Winston maybe eighty, but
it looks like he's here to stay. And the two
major parties are pretty equal at thirty on each. There
seems to be no dominant party right now in New Zealand.
And other than that, the other takeaway is that we
don't really like the leaders of the major parties. Both
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leaders have popularity rankings less than twenty percent. That could
be because they're both demonstrably a bit average. Now that
is particularly concerning for National and the Prime Minister who
learns that eighty percent of the New Zealanders don't raige
them as a PM. And why is this? I think
it reflects a deep disease about where the country finds itself.
(15:15):
In a week where we found that we grew not
one jot in the last financial quarter, people are wondering
why we've got so stuck of the Mayer.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
National's easy answer at the last election in this past
eighteen months is that labor is useless. But eighteen months
International's governments, I feel people are still wondering where we're
going and where that Maybe they're a bit useless too,
And I blame politics and the urge to and the
urge to politicize every issue and to polarize the voters.
(15:44):
Our current default position from all our politicians is the
other side is crap. Vote for us. But I think
the country is saying, Ye're both crap. There is no
truth teller out there leading the way through the merk
and in this vacuum of leadership, Winston shines by just
doing the basics as a foreign minister well and not
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being demonstrably useless.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
News talk zed be It's.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
The fortieth anniversary of the Rainbow Warrior bombing yesterday and
they had a little, a little pow wow down in
the wharves of Auckland. In fact, the new Rainbow Warrior
was there. I saw that boat actually about a month ago.
It was paying a visit and it was quite a
shock to see it because it looks just like the
old boat. But anyway, I can tell you exactly where
I was forty years ago when the Rainbow Warrior was bombed,
(16:33):
and I've got that story and I feel few feelings
about that still to come. We're talking to Vincent Macaveni
today out of the UK. The editorial in the Guardian
today is has the Trump putin bromance finally run its course.
You think ever get the feeling you've been played Donald,
No wonder you're swearing in public anyway. We'll talk to
(16:55):
Vincent's about the bromance between France and England. I'll tell
you a little bit about the foot see as well,
and later. Who knew that we had ATM machines that
dealt in crypto? We don't anymore. They've decided to get
rid of them because of money money laundering. So we'll
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scam Alliance. So that's all still to come, including reporters
(17:16):
from right around New Zealander's Early edition continues here on
news Talk z it B on a Friday, the eleventh
of July.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
The first Word on the News of the Day Early
Edition with Andrew Dickens and ex Pole Insulation keeping Kiwi
Holmes warm and dry this winter news Talks at B.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Good morning, thank you for choosing the program, my man
Tre Dickinson for Ryan Bridge. I've got another week to
do this and then he's back. Very emotional day yesterday
as the fortieth anniversary of the Rainbow Warrior bombing was
commemorated and I actually remembered that day well. At the time,
I had a flattened Parnell. It was the first time
I was living with Heaven, my partner. I'm still with Helen.
We've got two kids. Anyway, we're in Parnell. The middle
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of the night, We're woken up by a dull wamp.
We both said what was that? And then of course
we fell straight back to sleep. But when we woke up,
we discovered the horror of state terrorism against New Zealand.
We couldn't believe it, and it resulted in the death
of a crewman. And so later that day, after going
into UNI, I actually wandered down to Mars and Wharf
and I joined the slow procession of onlookers looking at
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the half submerged wreck and it was really chilling and
everyone was sad. Now this week I learned new stuff
about the attack from the Rainbow Warrior podcast I Forgotten History,
which is available now on iHeartRadio. They tracked down the
French guy who actually planted the bomb. He lives in
retirement in a lovely town in France called Metz. He's
having a lovely full life the way Fernando Perira did not.
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He revealed they did a test run on a sheet
of metal and they went, oh, now we're going to
have to add some more umph into this, and the
results led them to overcook the bomb on the boat,
so blew the ship apart, and the Rainbow Warriors sank
him five minutes flat, and that's why Fernando died. If
the action wasn't shocky enough, the incompetence of the bombers
is astounding. Really, the French called the project Operation Satanique,
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or otherwise known as Satanic, showing that they knew how
bad they were being. It was an incredibly gross thing
for one nation to do to another, And in my lifetime,
no other nation has ever done anything to us quite
so bad. It's a terrible breach of sovereignty. They're lucky
we forgave them to be honest, and yet look at this.
Their rugby team is here staying in a a hotel
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not two kilometers away from where the Rainbow Warrior went down.
It's extraordinary news talk, said be Graham said me a
text it is well worth reading. Andrew, you need to
offer a balanced view of New Zealand. If things are
so bad, how come the Maldy economy is doing so
well well, Graham. They've got a seventeen point five percent
concessionary tax rate, so that helps.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Graham.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
As how come Christians and Selwyn are going well well,
they're still rebuilding frankly after the earthquake. Enjoy your new stadium,
can't wait for it? And what about our agriculture and
horticulture doing well? While that's overseas factors. But Graham says this,
we need to speak positively as well as critically. It
has become so fashionable to be down on New Zealand
and not up tall poppy syndrome is alive and well,
(20:44):
and you are feeding at Dickens without offering a balanced
view of things. You've got a funny old economy right now.
Some of it's going real real well. Farmers are great.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
News, talk, said b Let's.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Go around the country. Callum Procter fromed and good morning
to you mate, morning Andrew. So that terrible stabbing in
Dunedin's bus hub. Where are we at with this?
Speaker 9 (21:07):
Well, we've got the sentencing today. This is for the
fourteen year old who fatally stabbed a fellow teen back
in May of twenty twenty four. The fourteen year old
has permanent name suppression, but will be sentenced today. He
was found guilty of manslaughter over this death of sixteen
year old and edair Tana McLaren. He died of a
(21:28):
single stab wound at the Great King Street bus hub.
The jury, you'll remember, return to the lesser charge of manslaughter.
That was after more than two days of deliberations in March,
so we await with interest the sentencing today. Meanwhile, concerns
remain about tensions at the bus hub here. Recent incidents
include a woman discharging a BB gun there and complaints
that security guards are failing to patrol the area.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
How's your weather today?
Speaker 9 (21:53):
Fine for us, but rain from this afternoon strong nor
easterlies get up Dunedin's high today twelve.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Have a great weekend. Callum clai joins U from christ Church.
Good morning to your Claire.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
So there's going to be more international routes coming in
and out of christ Church so that more Keywis can
leave for Australia.
Speaker 10 (22:09):
Ah, yes, well Andrew. We know that the Garden City
has been a magnet for airlines recently. We've had the
likes of Quantus, Singapore Air and China Southern all increasing
capacity over summer in New Zealand's also boosted some routes
between Auckland and Adelaide and it hasn't ruled out adding
a bit more coming to and from christ Church. Now
we've spoken with the mayor film major, he says, Look,
christ Church is not going to bother relying on the
(22:31):
national carrier. The airport's working really hard to get more
flights in from a range of airlines. He says this
talk about Korean Air and China Eastern also starting flights
for christ Church. He says Lork christ Church has the
best airport in New Zealand. That shows Auckland is spending
a lot of money on theirs, but is also raising
the landing charges, which apparently is why christ Church is
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getting more competitive now.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
It's a great airport. It's flat and as close to
the town as really pretty when you come on in.
And by the way, how's your weather?
Speaker 10 (22:58):
Well, a bit foggy this morning, otherwise should clear to
find before some rain this after noon. Northeasterlies and a
high of thirteen.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And I thank you hav a great weekend, clear next
toelve from Wellington. Good morning, good morning, give me another
reason to go to Tipapa well.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
A take on Captain Robert Falcon Scott's Antarctic exhibition is
opening at Tip Papa. It is a virtual reality experience.
I believe it's been in Auckland and is now coming
to the capital. It provides a lifelike view of Scott's
famous voyage to Antarctica from nineteen ten. You can sort
of put on the headset, crunch through snow pats and penguins.
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Minister of Culture and Arts Paul Goldsmith opened it yesterday
at Tip Papa. Put it on himself, says it was
eye opening, a great way to view a historic event
and there would probably be an opportunity to make more
of history available in such a VR fashion in the future.
Available until Sunday, in hot demand.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And how's your weather.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
It's going to be rainy later with stronger winds. Fifteen
the high and.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I thank you Max. Have a great weekend. Neva Ritchtiman
who joins me from Aukland. Hello, Neva, good morning, Happy Friday.
Smith and Coe's Department store used to have the best
Christmas windows and are thought to myself, what's happened to
all that stuff?
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Yes, well, as we all know. In the store is
shut up in June after more than one hundred and
forty years of trading. So the news now injuries that center,
sleigh and all the other surplus supplies from Auckland's now
closed Smith and Coe's department store up for auction. So
the shop's Christmas Day car Now this includes as you say,
the sleigh, the trees, the vintage ornament's antique furniture. It's
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listed with the starting bid of forty four thousand dollars.
And there are other lots which include the shelving units, mirrors,
display tables, commercial kitchen appliances, plenty of coat hangers. It's
all going. Some of the bids have a reserve price
as low as one dollar. So this auction website we
know will be starting from next Monday through to Sunday.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
And how's orkins.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
We're there, Okay, We've got rain, heavy falls from afternoon
and the winds are going to be strong northerly is
galegusting one hundred kilimeters per hour and exposed places seventeen
the high here in all Clinton and.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I thank you never have a great weekend. At is
seventeen minutes to six, and asked the question if we're
losing so many people to Australia. Why do we need
all the housing that people continually go on about well,
and that is why the housing market right now is
it's fair to say flat. In fact, Mark Smith from
the ASP who talked to me just after the five
o'clock news, was saying that this is affecting everything. We've
got less people. That means your house won't be rising
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in prices. We're a little bit stuck in the mire
for a whole load of reasons. So it's all workable.
We can get round it. But the sooner the better.
It is sixteen to six. Vincent Macavenni out of the
UK in just a few moments time, and before the
news at six we're going to talk about scamming and
crypto with Roger Beaumont.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
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Speaker 2 (25:52):
If time is out thirteen to six. As I mentioned earlier,
the editorial in the Guardian today is has the Trump
prout and bromance finally and it's course you think you know. Meanwhile,
there's certainly a romance between France and England. As Macron's
visit continues, and we're joined now from the UK by
Vincent memcavinnie. Good morning to Vincent, Good morning. So how
did Macron finish his state visit?
Speaker 11 (26:15):
Well, Macron has been here for three days. We've got
all the sort of royal pomp and ceremony outs. On
the first day he did a carriage tour around Windsor,
he addressed Parliament and then there was a state banquet
in the evening. But the last two days have all
been about negotiations with Sakirs Starma, the Prime Minister, about
a range of things, and we've had an announcement in
the past few hours there will be a new sort
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of strategic partnership and alignment between the UK and France
on their nuclear de terrans. They're going to coordinate much
more closely. They wouldn't give us the full details because
they need strategic ambivalence, they say, but that is the
first deal of its kind between two nuclear powers. And
then there is this one in, one out deal, so
anyone they're going to run a pilot. Anyone who comes
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across the channel from France will be returned and imediately
quickly to France, and then the UK will take someone
who has claimed asylum properly in France, not paid a
trafficker who has the potential right to come to the
UK because they already have a family member here and
definitely need asylum. So this is a big game changer
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on a day where we've already had today around two
hundred and fifty people crossing the Channel, and we're already
up fifty percent on channel crossings this month versus where
we are the same month last year. So this is
a real priority for kirs Starmer, and it seemed that
there was a sort of recognition now by France that
they need to help get tough on this.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Meanwhile, the UK recognizes they're facing a rising and unpredictable
threat from Iran.
Speaker 11 (27:41):
Yeah, this's a really interesting report coming out from Parliament's
Intelligence and Security Committee warning that Iran is posing a
real risk and they are an unpredictable threat here in
the UK. And we already have a large Iranian expat
community here. A lot of them have felt threatened in
the past by Iranian operatives, and we've had journalists working
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for International Iranian TV here being stalked and threatened as well,
but this report sheds more light on it. So in
the UK has to do more to counter this, and
the report was actually drafted before. Of course, the attack
recently that the US led on Iran that Britain says
it didn't play a part in. But we have had
an attempted attack earlier this year on the Israeli embassy
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by five Iranian men. So this seems to be ratcheting
up the terrorism register as a possible problem for the UK.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Excuse me, good on you, Vincent. Sorry, I've just had
a cup of coffee. Good on you, Vincent. Thank you
for joining us today and enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
Thanks, have a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, and by the way, the foots one hundred indis
are the most valuable companies on the London Stock Exchange
has sought to a record high in good news. This
is because of this is a shrugging off concerns about
Donald Trump's trade wars. So good times for the UK.
They hope it is ten six news talks.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
It'd be all right.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Finally, some good news about skims. The Government's going to
address the country's scamming issues head with an anti scam alliance.
So with some reports suggesting the scams costing kind of
up to two billion, dollars annually. People are saying it's
well over due. The New Zealand Banking Association chief executive
is Roger Beaumont, who joins me now the body teer Roger.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Oh, good morning, Andrew, good to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
So what does this alliance actually do? What does it mean?
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Well, what it means, excuse me, is a coordinated approach
across a number of industries and government agencies around tackling
scams because no one industry can actually deal with it
on their own. The banks have stepped up and done
a pretty good job of putting processes into place to
protect customers, but for it to truly be an effective ecosystem,
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it needs everybody working together. And that's what the SAME's
to do.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Shoul. We have done that right from the go.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Oh, we've been calling for this for a couple of years, Andrew.
We've said that actually we can't do this on our own.
We need government leadership to actually bring all the individual
entities together to work in a coordinated way. So you know,
it's good that it's happened.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
So scams, are they becoming worse or are we getting
on top of them?
Speaker 7 (30:14):
Well, I think just the awareness and education that's gone
on by some of the awful stories that you've seen
play out in the media have themselves been an incredible
educational device. We also have put some processes into place
that have I think made a different So at Easter
we finished rolling out a thing called confirmation a payee
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and you've probably experienced this if you've paid someone new
or made a one off payment by your banking app
or your online banking and what that does, for example,
is it tries to match that the person you're paying
matches the account number that that money is going into,
and you'll get a message back. But that's either a
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complete match or a partial match, or no match at all,
and it'll give you that comfort or assurance that it's
right or to go or if not, to go back
and check some of those details.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yah, I've had a few of those. It's a little
bit of a hassle, but at the same time, it's
a little bit of a hassle, but it's even more
of a hassle to lose money, that's right.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
I mean, you can't have it all. You've got a
If you want to have protections in place, there are
going to be there that's going to put friction in
the payment system and process. But that friction, I think
is a very small price to pay for having surety
about who you're sending money to.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
All right, good luck. Now the thing I learned last night,
I had no idea we had two hundred crypto ATMs
in this country that being outboored.
Speaker 7 (31:38):
Do you have an opinion on this, Well, it's interesting
that a number of we're just following a number of
jurisdictions around the world that have banned crypto ATMs. I
think the UK did it first in twenty twenty two
from memory, and so that is a global trend now
for that to happen. And crypto is a known tool
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for criminals to shift money around the globe, and so
I think anything that puts in place processes that reduced
the opportunities for scammers and crims to be active is
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Would it be fair to say that the banking industry
hates crypto?
Speaker 7 (32:16):
I wouldn't go. We're not haters, Andrew.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Roger, I got to go. I gotta go, lovely to
talk to you. Roger Beaumont, who is the New Zealand
Banking Association's Chief executive News Talks b it is seven
and two six.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Andrew
Dickens and ex Fole Insulation keeping Kiwi homes warm and
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Speaker 2 (32:42):
C Ellen is on the Breakfast Show this morning. And
the very first thing she said to me was, Dickens,
you look naked.
Speaker 12 (32:47):
You do look a little bit tired.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I've come right now. But it was three thirty in
the morning.
Speaker 12 (32:51):
I was worried about was because you have you you
are known for a late night and what did you do?
Was it Monday or Tuesday night.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That you stayed at went out to the arts of
banks until what time?
Speaker 8 (33:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (33:02):
That's really late mate, And so I thought, oh, no,
he's pulled an all night again, isn't he?
Speaker 6 (33:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
No, but true, I do now.
Speaker 12 (33:08):
So what must have happened was that you got out
of bed and walks, you know, get your wake up face.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It's got three thirty.
Speaker 12 (33:14):
Yeah you have still had your wake up face.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Absolutely, swelling had came down. I forgive you now. It's
all good, okay, So what are you doing on the show?
Speaker 9 (33:23):
Listen?
Speaker 12 (33:24):
We're going to talk about scams the government. You know,
scams have been a thing forever, right, and we've been
talking about it for a very long time. Government's finally
got an anti scam alliance together.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So try to Roger Beaumont about that.
Speaker 12 (33:33):
Brillian, Yeah, love Rodge. Love Rodge lives down the road
from me somewhere. Also going to talk about Alan. Do
you remember how last winter Sam and Brown floated that
idea that we can put it as the pipe dream.
It's not going to happen. It costs out a billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
What about my what about my barbecue?
Speaker 12 (33:48):
Yeah, I'm sorry about your barbie, but what about my
stove at TYR? Yeah, sorry about your fancy stove.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Have you?
Speaker 12 (33:54):
By the way, have you explained to people how epic
you'll be chouses? It's not it's not a batch. Is
that I can design.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Actually my home? People say you're going to your holiday homeday,
it's actually my home.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Look, can I also say when we have no more
guests for the barbecue and all that sort, then can
you imagine how much electricity we're going to start using?
Speaker 8 (34:13):
And so worry?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Hey see you next week.
Speaker 12 (34:15):
Have a nice morning.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah you too.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Town Flats and don't be in twice.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome morning to you, and welcome to the end of
the week. Coming up for the next jour our thirty
thousand New Zealanders pack up shop and to bunk to Australia.
So how bad are these numbers? We'll have asb economists
Mark Smith and ten. The second test looms between France
and the All Blacks. Jason Pine is getting up early
for us. He'll be here in fifteen minutes time. The
(00:33):
fortieth anniversary of the Rainbow Warriors sinking, and I'll tell
you where I was that Faithful minds and anti scam
alliances and the banning of crypto ATMs. We're talking banking
with Roger Beaumont from the Banking Association. Just before six.
There are weather warnings across New Zealand and a state
of emergency for Nelson Tasman, so we'll keep you informed
as the day goes on. We'll have correspondents from around
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New Zealand and around the world. Vincent mcavenni from the
UK and you can have your say by giving us
a text ninety two ninety two is the text number
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after five.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
It's Friday, the eleventh of July. A. UK Prime Minister
kier Stammer and French President Emmanuel Macron have unveiled a
joint deal on tackling migrants crossing the Channel on small boats.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Migrants arriving by a small boat will be detained and
returned to France in short order, in exchange for every
return a different individual. We're allowed to come here via
y safe route, controlled and legal, subject to strict security checks,
(01:47):
and only open to those who have not tried to
enter the UK illegally.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Now to the Middle East and ten crew members have
been rescued and at least three others killed after a
cargo ship was attacked by Yemen's booties and then sunk
in the Red Sea. The Greek operated ship was carrying
twenty five crew when it was significantly damaged by rocket
propelled grenades fired from small boats. The aram Becked futies
say they were heading to Israel.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Those crew who have been captured by the Huthies. Now
might be being used by the Huthis as a kind
of leverage tactic from their side to put pressure on
the ongoing ceasefy negotiations.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
The Huthis are saying that their attacks on shipping and.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Israel did out of solidarity with the.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Palestinians in order to see an end to the war
in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Enter the Russian Ukraine War. Mak Rubio's been meeting with
his Russian counterpart, Sergey Levrov in Kuala Lumpur. There he
expressed the United States frustration.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
We understand that these things take time and patience, but
obviously we're also frustrated that more progress has not been made.
And hopefully we based on today and in the days
to come, we'll have more clarity about what exactly actually
the Russian position and priorities are in this regard and
can begin to make some progress. But it's you know,
it's been difficult, and it's nine after.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Five on your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition
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Speaker 2 (03:21):
So the debate on the expansion of our largest gold
mine has centered on lizards, which made for some good copy,
but not on the real subject, which is how much
gold is actually in there. As of twenty twenty five,
the McCrae's gold mine in Otago, which is New Zealand's
largest active gold mine, has produced about one point eight
million ounces of gold since it opened in nineteen ninety.
(03:44):
The average amount of gold gets is one point six
grams per metric ton. The mine process is more than
five million tons of or per year and it produces
about five point seven tons of gold in that year. Now,
that is an all a lot of rock that got
to dig through to find a bit of gold. And
in fact, compared to the rest of the world, this
(04:04):
is a pretty low yield and it's a good enough
business for mccraze. But to be honest, it's no bonanza
for New Zealand. There are jobs, yes, but it's not
a bonanza. And this is where I have a bit
of a problem. Spooking mining makes for good politics for
Shane Jones, but it's not the gold rush that he
likes to make out, and it's the same for oil
and gas. Prior to the moratorium on expiration, New Zealand
(04:26):
had been striking out every time drills went into the ground,
and once it stopped, opponents of the Greenies who said
it was crippling the country had a free hit and
no one ever held them to account and wondered whether
they were letting hope trump reality. There is no real
proof that we are sitting on a literal gold mine.
In fact, the story is one of a lot of
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money thrown at low yields. So look, I'm not against oil,
gas and gold exploration per se. I'm not on the
lizard side. However, I'm not sure that it is the
grand economic revolution that Shane Jones believed. But hey, i'll
tell you what, it has a very rich yield in
terms of votes.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Said be.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
My youngest boy left for Australia a month ago. He'd
been working in New Zealand. He'd been working at the Herald.
Actually he'd been here for two years and then he
just went on twenty six I want to go to
a bigger place, and so he's gone to Melbourne. Thirty
thousand New Zealand has left the country for Australia last year. Now,
Ben would have left anyway even if we were in
great times. But we're not in great times. So this
(05:31):
number thirty thousand, is it what often happens? Or is
this a standout? It's certainly the worst figures in ten years.
And what does it mean for our economy? Mark Smith
is the ASB senior economist and he's joining me. Next
news talks are B. It's twelve after five.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Andrew Dickens on early edition with ex bowl insulation keeping
Kiwi homes warm and try this winter news talks at B.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
We had another poll out yesterday. Winston's happy. But it
shows both our leaders. This is Hipkins and Laxon. They
both had favorability ratings under twenty percent and both National
and Labour is stuck on thirty percent. So does this
suggest that our two major parties are a bit useless
and our two leaders are a bit useless? What do
you think? You can text me on ninety two ninety
(06:16):
two and I have some thoughts on this very shortly.
It is five point fifteen, so just under thirty thousand
New Zealand has left the country for Australia last year.
This marks the highest level of emigration across the Ditch
since twenty twelve, highest in a decade. Mark Smith has
got up early for us this morning, the senior economist
at ASP. Good morning to you, Mark, Good morning. Are
these bad numbers or is this the normal outflow of
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Kiwi's as part of our great diaspora.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
No, this figures are pretty bleak credit you think about it. Yeah,
the normal sort of average finet migration is about a
thirty thousand person inflow. We're currently running about fifteen thousand,
so about half of usual. What we've seen over the
last few years has been a shit up slow down
and the number of people coming in, and we've also
seen record numbers of people leaving. So it's really a
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reflection I suppose of how weak New zealm economy is.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I was about to say, so we've got less people
coming in and more people going out, So what does
that say to you?
Speaker 7 (07:15):
Yeah, it's very much a reflection of where we are
at the moment. I mean comparing with Australia about I
suppose the partures at the moment are at a record high,
and of that we've got about seventy thousand here we
are going offshore and probably about seventy percent of going
to Australia. So if you compare Australia, the unemprovment rate
has been lower about four percent of the last twelve months.
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Ours is five percent and climbing, And that's really a
reflection of where we are at the moment.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But Australia is a bit of a basketcase as well.
Is it the Elderado? Is it the great savior of people?
If they went over there, are they going to be
any better.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
Comparatively? Probably here, And that's probably the sad reality of
where we are at the moment. But yeah, sure Australia
is not the land of milk and honey for everyone,
but things are comparably stronger over there, and people are
voting with your seat, all.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Right, So how does this affect the economy? If more
people are going and that means there's people are out
there buying, it helps continue our moribund economy as it stands.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
Yeah, straight, So I think people are probably sort of
sort of struggling to realize why the New Zealand economy.
Consumer spending in the housing market is not really going
anywhere the lasted or twelve months, and this is really
probably one of the key outlists is really much slower
population growth. You think how they're viewing things will be.
(08:38):
You know, the economy is struggling to gain traction and
with few people coming in, what it's really going to
do is really constrained demand and reserve bank. The key
thing will be implacently precious demetract will be lower. All
that's equal, and if you will see the special path
rate continue to fall from there.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And it interesting me to think about what that does
to housing because we need less roofs overheads.
Speaker 7 (09:03):
I yeah, that's right. You know, the housing market is
really a key catalyst very centris migration flows and a
housing market hasn't really gone in anywhere of the last
twelve months, and a key catalyst that would be very
very low numbers of lot of numbers of people coming
in and more people leaving.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And the only answer is to fix the economy. But
this current government's had eighteen months and they're not doing
that great a job at that.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
Well, it takes a long time to ten things around.
So but to the moment, people are voiding with his
feet unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Mark Smith, thank you for that depressing news on this
Friday morning. Come back though. We'll be fine soon enough.
All right, there's a big old test coming up this weekends,
and I think the biggest interest point is will the
all backs play better? It was a good test last weekend.
It was an enjoyable, entertaining test last weekend, but there
were just a few fumbles. I was thinking about it.
(09:55):
How in the second second half Ricolani spills the ball.
Then the French come back, this or a try and bomb.
Suddenly it's all on again. Can we do better? Have
we got a better team? We'll talk about this in
a few moments time with our sportscaster extraordin mayor Jason Pine.
Right here on news Talks. Heb it's five eighteen.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
The news you need this morning and the in depth
analysis earlier this year with Andrew Dickens and x full
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Speaker 2 (10:24):
Twenty two is the time. Here is the bloke who's
broadcasting from a shed this weekend. Jason Pine, Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
Hello Andrew, good morning mate.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Has it got insulation? Is it a warm shed?
Speaker 8 (10:35):
It's a very warm shed. It's a very hospitable shed.
Excuse me. Shed twenty two and downtown Wellington a great
place to broadcast a radio show.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
From and of course a home test for you, so
you've got your own bed to sleep, and so you
should be in great form. Now let's look at the match.
Captain Scott Barrett out for the rest of the series
due to a calf injury. So how does this side
perform without Barrett and how much will he regret not
having these games?
Speaker 8 (11:01):
Yeah, look, I think they'll be okay without him. I
mean it's always been a bit of a next man
up scenario for excuse me, for the All Blacks and
look Patrick two for loss who comes into the second row.
He's a pretty good replacement, rarely fifty test matches, he's
a experienced campaigner captain of the Blues. So look, I'm
not sure they'd lose a lot there. But when you
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lose your skipper, that is a you know, that's a
little hurdle to get over. I just wonder how injured
Scott Barrett might actually be. I think that there's a
concern that this isn't going to be a short term
thing for Scott Barrett. He's going to miss this game
and next weekend. But there's just a little bit of
doubt out there about whether he might actually be out
(11:45):
for significantly longer than that. It's just a feeling you
get from the All Blacks when they talk about him
and say they're a little bit coy about exactly how
bad the injury is. So, look, he's out for this one.
Let's hope that he's going to be okay for the
Rugby Championship.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Let's be frank, the focus of our season is the
spring Box two games there and we want him back
for that. Caleb Clark gets a second chance. Now, what
does he have to do.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
I think he has to be good in the air.
I think that's one thing that they weren't last week
in Duneda and the All Blacks they just found it
very difficult to diffuse France's aerial game. So I think
that's one thing that they'll definitely have to do tomorrow,
and Caleb Clark's a big part of that. He's probably
the All Blacks best winger in terms of diffusing the
high bomb. He'd want to get a try as well, Andrew.
(12:31):
He didn't get a single try in Super Rugby Caleb Clark,
which is so unusual for a winger. But yeah, look
he gets his opportunity. He is a good player and
let's hope that he can show that at Sky Stadium
tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And well, when the wingers don't get tries, I blame
the midfield, to be honest with you.
Speaker 8 (12:48):
And that's a great point. It's a great point. And look,
we know who plays at center for the Blues, and
that's Rico Youani. He'll be out on the other wing
tomorrow night. So it's Billy who has the task at
center with Jordy Barrett inside him to provide those opportunities
for the wingers. It's a great point. So yeah, let's
hope they can provide the ammunition for the likes of
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Clark and Yuannie and Will Jordan at fallback to score
some drives.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Actually, Rico has got a lot to prove as well.
If Billy's going to take over his role, which is
starting to look likely, he's got to make the wing
his home again.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
Yeah, isn't it funny that he's gone across the right
wing as well. I've always thought of Rico Yoani if
he is a winger, as a left winger with eleven
on his back. But look, I can't remember the last
time he played on the right wing. Our rugby editor
Elliott Smith told me yesterday. He reckons it's twenty nineteen,
which is an awfully long time ago. Look, I don't
know that there's a huge difference between playing on the
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left wing and on the right wing. But you're right,
he's got to find a place. If Billy Propt is
going to be the center, then Reco has to play
well on the wing just to make sure he's still
in the mix.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Jason, enjoy your weekend working out of a shed, and
I look forward to your sideline comments. And of course
Elliot Smith will be doing the call, and it's right
here on news Talks here B It is five to twenty.
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New Talks a B is five twenty six. So another poll,
another rush of fevered opinion, and yet still so far
away from an election. The pole business is booming. Once
upon a time we used to have the two TV
networks in the game, but now they've been joined by others,
keeping the opinion writers in business and politics as the
leading news driver in this country. So this one was
(14:31):
paid for by the Taxpayers Union, and A breathlessly reports
that New Zealand First is on the rise. It is
now the third most popular party. Winston maybe eighty, but
it looks like he's here to stay. And the two
major parties are pretty equal at thirty on each. There
seems to be no dominant party right now in New Zealand.
And other than that, the other takeaway is that we
don't really like the leaders of the major parties. Both
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leaders have popularity rankings less than twenty percent. That could
be because they're both demonstrably a bit average. Now that
is particularly concerning for National and the Prime Minister who
learns that eighty percent of the New Zealanders don't raige
them as a PM. And why is this? I think
it reflects a deep disease about where the country finds itself.
(15:15):
In a week where we found that we grew not
one jot in the last financial quarter, people are wondering
why we've got so stuck of the Mayer.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
National's easy answer at the last election in this past
eighteen months is that labor is useless. But eighteen months
International's governments, I feel people are still wondering where we're
going and where that Maybe they're a bit useless too,
And I blame politics and the urge to and the
urge to politicize every issue and to polarize the voters.
(15:44):
Our current default position from all our politicians is the
other side is crap. Vote for us. But I think
the country is saying, Ye're both crap. There is no
truth teller out there leading the way through the merk
and in this vacuum of leadership, Winston shines by just
doing the basics as a foreign minister well and not
(16:05):
being demonstrably useless.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
News talk zed be It's.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
The fortieth anniversary of the Rainbow Warrior bombing yesterday and
they had a little, a little pow wow down in
the wharves of Auckland. In fact, the new Rainbow Warrior
was there. I saw that boat actually about a month ago.
It was paying a visit and it was quite a
shock to see it because it looks just like the
old boat. But anyway, I can tell you exactly where
I was forty years ago when the Rainbow Warrior was bombed,
(16:33):
and I've got that story and I feel few feelings
about that still to come. We're talking to Vincent Macaveni
today out of the UK. The editorial in the Guardian
today is has the Trump putin bromance finally run its course.
You think ever get the feeling you've been played Donald,
No wonder you're swearing in public anyway. We'll talk to
(16:55):
Vincent's about the bromance between France and England. I'll tell
you a little bit about the foot see as well,
and later. Who knew that we had ATM machines that
dealt in crypto? We don't anymore. They've decided to get
rid of them because of money money laundering. So we'll
talked to Roger Bowman about that and the new anti
scam Alliance. So that's all still to come, including reporters
(17:16):
from right around New Zealander's Early edition continues here on
news Talk z it B on a Friday, the eleventh
of July.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
The first Word on the News of the Day Early
Edition with Andrew Dickens and ex Pole Insulation keeping Kiwi
Holmes warm and dry this winter news Talks at B.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Good morning, thank you for choosing the program, my man
Tre Dickinson for Ryan Bridge. I've got another week to
do this and then he's back. Very emotional day yesterday
as the fortieth anniversary of the Rainbow Warrior bombing was
commemorated and I actually remembered that day well. At the time,
I had a flattened Parnell. It was the first time
I was living with Heaven, my partner. I'm still with Helen.
We've got two kids. Anyway, we're in Parnell. The middle
(18:27):
of the night, We're woken up by a dull wamp.
We both said what was that? And then of course
we fell straight back to sleep. But when we woke up,
we discovered the horror of state terrorism against New Zealand.
We couldn't believe it, and it resulted in the death
of a crewman. And so later that day, after going
into UNI, I actually wandered down to Mars and Wharf
and I joined the slow procession of onlookers looking at
(18:48):
the half submerged wreck and it was really chilling and
everyone was sad. Now this week I learned new stuff
about the attack from the Rainbow Warrior podcast I Forgotten History,
which is available now on iHeartRadio. They tracked down the
French guy who actually planted the bomb. He lives in
retirement in a lovely town in France called Metz. He's
having a lovely full life the way Fernando Perira did not.
(19:14):
He revealed they did a test run on a sheet
of metal and they went, oh, now we're going to
have to add some more umph into this, and the
results led them to overcook the bomb on the boat,
so blew the ship apart, and the Rainbow Warriors sank
him five minutes flat, and that's why Fernando died. If
the action wasn't shocky enough, the incompetence of the bombers
is astounding. Really, the French called the project Operation Satanique,
(19:40):
or otherwise known as Satanic, showing that they knew how
bad they were being. It was an incredibly gross thing
for one nation to do to another, And in my lifetime,
no other nation has ever done anything to us quite
so bad. It's a terrible breach of sovereignty. They're lucky
we forgave them to be honest, and yet look at this.
Their rugby team is here staying in a a hotel
(20:01):
not two kilometers away from where the Rainbow Warrior went down.
It's extraordinary news talk, said be Graham said me a
text it is well worth reading. Andrew, you need to
offer a balanced view of New Zealand. If things are
so bad, how come the Maldy economy is doing so
well well, Graham. They've got a seventeen point five percent
concessionary tax rate, so that helps.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
Graham.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
As how come Christians and Selwyn are going well well,
they're still rebuilding frankly after the earthquake. Enjoy your new stadium,
can't wait for it? And what about our agriculture and
horticulture doing well? While that's overseas factors. But Graham says this,
we need to speak positively as well as critically. It
has become so fashionable to be down on New Zealand
and not up tall poppy syndrome is alive and well,
(20:44):
and you are feeding at Dickens without offering a balanced
view of things. You've got a funny old economy right now.
Some of it's going real real well. Farmers are great.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
News, talk, said b Let's.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Go around the country. Callum Procter fromed and good morning
to you mate, morning Andrew. So that terrible stabbing in
Dunedin's bus hub. Where are we at with this?
Speaker 9 (21:07):
Well, we've got the sentencing today. This is for the
fourteen year old who fatally stabbed a fellow teen back
in May of twenty twenty four. The fourteen year old
has permanent name suppression, but will be sentenced today. He
was found guilty of manslaughter over this death of sixteen
year old and edair Tana McLaren. He died of a
(21:28):
single stab wound at the Great King Street bus hub.
The jury, you'll remember, return to the lesser charge of manslaughter.
That was after more than two days of deliberations in March,
so we await with interest the sentencing today. Meanwhile, concerns
remain about tensions at the bus hub here. Recent incidents
include a woman discharging a BB gun there and complaints
that security guards are failing to patrol the area.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
How's your weather today?
Speaker 9 (21:53):
Fine for us, but rain from this afternoon strong nor
easterlies get up Dunedin's high today twelve.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Have a great weekend. Callum clai joins U from christ Church.
Good morning to your Claire.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
So there's going to be more international routes coming in
and out of christ Church so that more Keywis can
leave for Australia.
Speaker 10 (22:09):
Ah, yes, well Andrew. We know that the Garden City
has been a magnet for airlines recently. We've had the
likes of Quantus, Singapore Air and China Southern all increasing
capacity over summer in New Zealand's also boosted some routes
between Auckland and Adelaide and it hasn't ruled out adding
a bit more coming to and from christ Church. Now
we've spoken with the mayor film major, he says, Look,
christ Church is not going to bother relying on the
(22:31):
national carrier. The airport's working really hard to get more
flights in from a range of airlines. He says this
talk about Korean Air and China Eastern also starting flights
for christ Church. He says Lork christ Church has the
best airport in New Zealand. That shows Auckland is spending
a lot of money on theirs, but is also raising
the landing charges, which apparently is why christ Church is
(22:51):
getting more competitive now.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
It's a great airport. It's flat and as close to
the town as really pretty when you come on in.
And by the way, how's your weather?
Speaker 10 (22:58):
Well, a bit foggy this morning, otherwise should clear to
find before some rain this after noon. Northeasterlies and a
high of thirteen.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And I thank you hav a great weekend, clear next
toelve from Wellington. Good morning, good morning, give me another
reason to go to Tipapa well.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
A take on Captain Robert Falcon Scott's Antarctic exhibition is
opening at Tip Papa. It is a virtual reality experience.
I believe it's been in Auckland and is now coming
to the capital. It provides a lifelike view of Scott's
famous voyage to Antarctica from nineteen ten. You can sort
of put on the headset, crunch through snow pats and penguins.
(23:36):
Minister of Culture and Arts Paul Goldsmith opened it yesterday
at Tip Papa. Put it on himself, says it was
eye opening, a great way to view a historic event
and there would probably be an opportunity to make more
of history available in such a VR fashion in the future.
Available until Sunday, in hot demand.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And how's your weather.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
It's going to be rainy later with stronger winds. Fifteen
the high and.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I thank you Max. Have a great weekend. Neva Ritchtiman
who joins me from Aukland. Hello, Neva, good morning, Happy Friday.
Smith and Coe's Department store used to have the best
Christmas windows and are thought to myself, what's happened to
all that stuff?
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Yes, well, as we all know. In the store is
shut up in June after more than one hundred and
forty years of trading. So the news now injuries that center,
sleigh and all the other surplus supplies from Auckland's now
closed Smith and Coe's department store up for auction. So
the shop's Christmas Day car Now this includes as you say,
the sleigh, the trees, the vintage ornament's antique furniture. It's
(24:34):
listed with the starting bid of forty four thousand dollars.
And there are other lots which include the shelving units, mirrors,
display tables, commercial kitchen appliances, plenty of coat hangers. It's
all going. Some of the bids have a reserve price
as low as one dollar. So this auction website we
know will be starting from next Monday through to Sunday.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
And how's orkins.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
We're there, Okay, We've got rain, heavy falls from afternoon
and the winds are going to be strong northerly is
galegusting one hundred kilimeters per hour and exposed places seventeen
the high here in all Clinton and.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I thank you never have a great weekend. At is
seventeen minutes to six, and asked the question if we're
losing so many people to Australia. Why do we need
all the housing that people continually go on about well,
and that is why the housing market right now is
it's fair to say flat. In fact, Mark Smith from
the ASP who talked to me just after the five
o'clock news, was saying that this is affecting everything. We've
got less people. That means your house won't be rising
(25:26):
in prices. We're a little bit stuck in the mire
for a whole load of reasons. So it's all workable.
We can get round it. But the sooner the better.
It is sixteen to six. Vincent Macavenni out of the
UK in just a few moments time, and before the
news at six we're going to talk about scamming and
crypto with Roger Beaumont.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance. Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
If time is out thirteen to six. As I mentioned earlier,
the editorial in the Guardian today is has the Trump
prout and bromance finally and it's course you think you know. Meanwhile,
there's certainly a romance between France and England. As Macron's
visit continues, and we're joined now from the UK by
Vincent memcavinnie. Good morning to Vincent, Good morning. So how
did Macron finish his state visit?
Speaker 11 (26:15):
Well, Macron has been here for three days. We've got
all the sort of royal pomp and ceremony outs. On
the first day he did a carriage tour around Windsor,
he addressed Parliament and then there was a state banquet
in the evening. But the last two days have all
been about negotiations with Sakirs Starma, the Prime Minister, about
a range of things, and we've had an announcement in
the past few hours there will be a new sort
(26:35):
of strategic partnership and alignment between the UK and France
on their nuclear de terrans. They're going to coordinate much
more closely. They wouldn't give us the full details because
they need strategic ambivalence, they say, but that is the
first deal of its kind between two nuclear powers. And
then there is this one in, one out deal, so
anyone they're going to run a pilot. Anyone who comes
(26:55):
across the channel from France will be returned and imediately
quickly to France, and then the UK will take someone
who has claimed asylum properly in France, not paid a
trafficker who has the potential right to come to the
UK because they already have a family member here and
definitely need asylum. So this is a big game changer
(27:16):
on a day where we've already had today around two
hundred and fifty people crossing the Channel, and we're already
up fifty percent on channel crossings this month versus where
we are the same month last year. So this is
a real priority for kirs Starmer, and it seemed that
there was a sort of recognition now by France that
they need to help get tough on this.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Meanwhile, the UK recognizes they're facing a rising and unpredictable
threat from Iran.
Speaker 11 (27:41):
Yeah, this's a really interesting report coming out from Parliament's
Intelligence and Security Committee warning that Iran is posing a
real risk and they are an unpredictable threat here in
the UK. And we already have a large Iranian expat
community here. A lot of them have felt threatened in
the past by Iranian operatives, and we've had journalists working
(28:03):
for International Iranian TV here being stalked and threatened as well,
but this report sheds more light on it. So in
the UK has to do more to counter this, and
the report was actually drafted before. Of course, the attack
recently that the US led on Iran that Britain says
it didn't play a part in. But we have had
an attempted attack earlier this year on the Israeli embassy
(28:24):
by five Iranian men. So this seems to be ratcheting
up the terrorism register as a possible problem for the UK.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Excuse me, good on you, Vincent. Sorry, I've just had
a cup of coffee. Good on you, Vincent. Thank you
for joining us today and enjoy your weekend.
Speaker 11 (28:39):
Thanks, have a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, and by the way, the foots one hundred indis
are the most valuable companies on the London Stock Exchange
has sought to a record high in good news. This
is because of this is a shrugging off concerns about
Donald Trump's trade wars. So good times for the UK.
They hope it is ten six news talks.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
It'd be all right.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Finally, some good news about skims. The Government's going to
address the country's scamming issues head with an anti scam alliance.
So with some reports suggesting the scams costing kind of
up to two billion, dollars annually. People are saying it's
well over due. The New Zealand Banking Association chief executive
is Roger Beaumont, who joins me now the body teer Roger.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Oh, good morning, Andrew, good to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
So what does this alliance actually do? What does it mean?
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Well, what it means, excuse me, is a coordinated approach
across a number of industries and government agencies around tackling
scams because no one industry can actually deal with it
on their own. The banks have stepped up and done
a pretty good job of putting processes into place to
protect customers, but for it to truly be an effective ecosystem,
(29:47):
it needs everybody working together. And that's what the SAME's
to do.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Shoul. We have done that right from the go.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Oh, we've been calling for this for a couple of years, Andrew.
We've said that actually we can't do this on our own.
We need government leadership to actually bring all the individual
entities together to work in a coordinated way. So you know,
it's good that it's happened.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
So scams, are they becoming worse or are we getting
on top of them?
Speaker 7 (30:14):
Well, I think just the awareness and education that's gone
on by some of the awful stories that you've seen
play out in the media have themselves been an incredible
educational device. We also have put some processes into place
that have I think made a different So at Easter
we finished rolling out a thing called confirmation a payee
(30:37):
and you've probably experienced this if you've paid someone new
or made a one off payment by your banking app
or your online banking and what that does, for example,
is it tries to match that the person you're paying
matches the account number that that money is going into,
and you'll get a message back. But that's either a
(30:58):
complete match or a partial match, or no match at all,
and it'll give you that comfort or assurance that it's
right or to go or if not, to go back
and check some of those details.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yah, I've had a few of those. It's a little
bit of a hassle, but at the same time, it's
a little bit of a hassle, but it's even more
of a hassle to lose money, that's right.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
I mean, you can't have it all. You've got a
If you want to have protections in place, there are
going to be there that's going to put friction in
the payment system and process. But that friction, I think
is a very small price to pay for having surety
about who you're sending money to.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
All right, good luck. Now the thing I learned last night,
I had no idea we had two hundred crypto ATMs
in this country that being outboored.
Speaker 7 (31:38):
Do you have an opinion on this, Well, it's interesting
that a number of we're just following a number of
jurisdictions around the world that have banned crypto ATMs. I
think the UK did it first in twenty twenty two
from memory, and so that is a global trend now
for that to happen. And crypto is a known tool
(32:00):
for criminals to shift money around the globe, and so
I think anything that puts in place processes that reduced
the opportunities for scammers and crims to be active is
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Would it be fair to say that the banking industry
hates crypto?
Speaker 7 (32:16):
I wouldn't go. We're not haters, Andrew.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Roger, I got to go. I gotta go, lovely to
talk to you. Roger Beaumont, who is the New Zealand
Banking Association's Chief executive News Talks b it is seven
and two six.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Andrew
Dickens and ex Fole Insulation keeping Kiwi homes warm and
dry This winter News Talks by the d.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
C Ellen is on the Breakfast Show this morning. And
the very first thing she said to me was, Dickens,
you look naked.
Speaker 12 (32:47):
You do look a little bit tired.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I've come right now. But it was three thirty in
the morning.
Speaker 12 (32:51):
I was worried about was because you have you you
are known for a late night and what did you do?
Was it Monday or Tuesday night.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That you stayed at went out to the arts of
banks until what time?
Speaker 8 (33:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (33:02):
That's really late mate, And so I thought, oh, no,
he's pulled an all night again, isn't he?
Speaker 6 (33:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
No, but true, I do now.
Speaker 12 (33:08):
So what must have happened was that you got out
of bed and walks, you know, get your wake up face.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It's got three thirty.
Speaker 12 (33:14):
Yeah you have still had your wake up face.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Absolutely, swelling had came down. I forgive you now. It's
all good, okay, So what are you doing on the show?
Speaker 9 (33:23):
Listen?
Speaker 12 (33:24):
We're going to talk about scams the government. You know,
scams have been a thing forever, right, and we've been
talking about it for a very long time. Government's finally
got an anti scam alliance together.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So try to Roger Beaumont about that.
Speaker 12 (33:33):
Brillian, Yeah, love Rodge. Love Rodge lives down the road
from me somewhere. Also going to talk about Alan. Do
you remember how last winter Sam and Brown floated that
idea that we can put it as the pipe dream.
It's not going to happen. It costs out a billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
What about my what about my barbecue?
Speaker 12 (33:48):
Yeah, I'm sorry about your barbie, but what about my
stove at TYR? Yeah, sorry about your fancy stove.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Have you?
Speaker 12 (33:54):
By the way, have you explained to people how epic
you'll be chouses? It's not it's not a batch. Is
that I can design.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Actually my home? People say you're going to your holiday homeday,
it's actually my home.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Look, can I also say when we have no more
guests for the barbecue and all that sort, then can
you imagine how much electricity we're going to start using?
Speaker 8 (34:13):
And so worry?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Hey see you next week.
Speaker 12 (34:15):
Have a nice morning.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah you too.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Town Flats and don't be in twice.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
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