August 11, 2025 • 34 mins
On the Early Edition with Andrew Dickens Full Show Podcast 2025 Tuesday 12th of August, the government's deciding whether to formally recognise Palestine as a state, Massey University's John Battersby tells Andrew the difference it will make.
Queenstown tourism is booming; Mayor Glyn Lewers shares his thoughts.
There's a call for the Government to take immediate action in the gas sector as supplies reach a crisis point, major gas users group spokesperson Len Houwers tells Andrew what the Government can do.
Plus, Australia Correspondent Lesley Yeomans has the latest on Australia recognising Palestinian statehood.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
an earlier IS show with one roof love where you
live News Talks, it'd be.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Well, good morning to you and thank you so much
for choosing the program. So today in the next hour,
gas is at a crisis point, Shane Jones considering rationing supply.
Is there an easier answer to an ongoing problem? We'll
have that story for you in five Queens Sound tourism
is booming ahead of the rest of the country. So
what headaches is this causing? And we're too next for
the Adventure Capital, We're going to go to Australia where
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our meet here has struck the state of Victoria. And
speaking of states, the government is to consider recognition of
the Palestine state. But is that as easy as it sounds?
That story just before six. We'll have these stories correspondens
from around the world and New Zealand and news as
the breaks you can have you say you can text
week ninety two ninety two or small charge applies. It
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is seven minutes.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Out five.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's Tuesday, the twelfth of August. Donald Trump is sending
him the National Guard again, this time to Washington d C.
He's taking control of the city's police. This is part
of a crime and homelessness crackdown.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Our capital city has been overtaken by violent gangs and
bloodthirsty criminals, roving mobs of wild youth, drugged out maniacs,
and homeless people.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And we're not going to let it happen anymore. We're
not going to take it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Mayor Muriel Bowsa says there's no crime way and offenses
had been falling since twenty twenty three, So what's it
all about. A violent crime, they say, is now at
a thirty year low, but there we go.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Funerals have been held for five Al Jazeera journalists killed
in an Israeli strike on Gaza City.
Speaker 7 (01:40):
Johnalis are considered civilians in any war setting and should
not be targeted, and to target them deliberately is a
war crime.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
The just writing military say, is it targeted twenty eight
year old correspondent and that's al Sharif. They reckon he
led a Hamas terra cell, but so far that provided
little evidence to back them claim up.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
Prior to the war, Anasa Shadif was working in the
Hamas media office, but that is all that we know
about him, and important to emphasize too that no evidence
has been given despite inquiries for the other journalists who
are with him. So this is an entire Al Jazeera
team who has now been eliminated from Gaza City.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And finally, an easy Jet pilot has been suspended after
a wild night at a luxury resort in cap Verde.
He was spotted wondering the hotel naked in the wee
hours after a long drinking session. He was dueified and
gat work thirty six hours later. Well, no, he didn't
do that. He was grounded after complaints from people in
the hotel, and he's been replaced. It's nine after five.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Andrew
Dickens and One Root Love Where You Live News talks.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
It'd be well, not a great pole for the government,
but to be feared, not a great pole for anyone.
The major parties are all mired in the thirties, the
miners are all flirting around the tens, and no leader
gets above twenty percent approval. Christopher Luxen's on twenty percent,
Christopher Hipkins on nineteen. The headline here is we don't
like our politicians, any of them measurable popularity is just
(03:14):
the baked on supporters who were vote blue or red
even if a goat was leaving their party. But that
didn't stop Mikey Schumann last night using hyperbolic language to
describe the situation. Words like plummet and soaring came out
of her mouth. That was in last night's analysis and
it's plenty not so has she not got the memo
about her excitable delivery. It's seen as either bias or
(03:38):
naive following a consultant's call to jus up the news.
But look, we're not happy with our government and we're
not happy with the last mob, and that's the opposition,
and none of the minor parties are taking their place,
no matter how many times Coley Swarbrick spooks her party's
chances of becoming the leader of any coalition in government
or opposition. All our politicians are stuck in the mud
(04:01):
of our economic malaise and none are offering solutions. It's
the economy, stupid. Labour is deliberately withholding policy for the
election year, so there's no hope there. And National has
done the first steps of writing the ship with their
form of austerity. But the country is thirsty for the
next step, and I reckon that next step is fixing Auckland.
Simon Bridges from the Auckland Chamber made that call on
(04:23):
the weekend. Liam Dan said the same thing. The economy
outside our biggest city is getting back to its feet.
We're going to talk to the Queen sale Mayer in
a moment, but Auckland is lagging. And Auckland is where
a third of our people also known as the voters, live,
so it's still quite important. A number of National Party
members I've talked too lately who attended the recent conference
(04:43):
said that at that conference there were all sorts of
mutterings about what to do next, and they speak a
word that's loaded with gravity. They speak the word pump priming.
They're talking loosening the government's purse strings to give Auckland
a nudge forward. They know that government spending makes up
forty percent of this economy. Overspending overinflates the economy, as
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we've learnt only too well, but underspending collapses it, which
is what we're going through right now. And a few
policies that might see government cash flowing into the Aucland
economy would do us all a favor, might get some
builders back on the tools, money in their pockets, and
maybe we might see some light at the end of
the tunnel, and maybe we might get some votes for
some politicians. It's twelve after five zedby, So there's a
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gas crisis. We know this. It's been bringing up for
a while and we've known this as well. But now
now we've got the Minister Shane Jones starting to talk
about rationing of gas. So how does the business feel
about that and is there an easy solution to this.
We're going to talk in a few moments time to
Lehn Hower's lehn is the Major Gas Users Group spokesperson
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and he's facing a crisis. He's next on new stalk ZENB.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Views and Views You Trust to start your day. It's
earlier this ship with Andrew Dickins and Love Where You
Live News Talks.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
The'd be It's fourteen minutes after five. So there is
a core for the government to take immediate action and
the gas sector supplies reaching a crisis point. The Business
New Zealand Energy Council and Optimal Energy Management Solutions have
joined forces to urge Minister Shane Jones to save manufacturing jobs.
So to talk about this, I'm joined by Lenn Howards,
who's the Major Gas Users Group spokesperson. Good on it
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to Elen, Yes, good morning, how are you.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
This is a problem that's been brewing up for twenty
years and we've never done anything about it. So how
bad is it?
Speaker 8 (06:32):
I think it's getting pretty bad. The property is in
the industrial secret at the moment where a lot of
these companies are coming up for new contract when you're
suddenly finding that the expectations for pricing is beyond their
means to actually pay for it.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, And like I said, we've been saying this for
twenty years. You know, we've got to find more gas.
We didn't have enough. We stopped looking for gas. Some
were saying we should have started the decarbonization process earlier.
Speaker 9 (06:59):
Was that thinking, Well, I think basically the basic problem
was I think decarbonization is certainly at the root of this,
and in fact, you know that's made it the government
policy to effectively create an energy transition.
Speaker 8 (07:14):
What the government then failed to do, I think is
actually provide a pathway that was sustainable and ordered to
get there, so that effectively left business to cope with
rising carbon.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Prices and.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
Putting them on a path to transition without the technology
of the economics able there to support that transition to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So now this is all landed on Shane Jones' desk,
and you were at the meeting with Shane Jones. What
did he say and did it alleviate any concerns you had?
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Well?
Speaker 8 (07:46):
I think Shane Jones obviously is a champion I think
for industry in New Zealand, and he's going to try
and do what he can, but he's also going to
get a past his colleagues and so forth as well.
One of the ideas he had on the table I
think was too reserve gas industry rather than for electricity generation.
That's an idea that's being explored at the moment by
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him and cabinet.
Speaker 10 (08:09):
I take it.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And as the thought of rationing which has come out
of Shane's mouth, is that actually a good idea? Will
that only make the situation worse and be a tragedy
for our economy?
Speaker 8 (08:22):
Yeah, Well that's the dynamic, isn't it. I Mean, in
the first place, if he does nothing, your risk of
the industrialization If you then decide instead to intervene and
effectively what it might be seen as work will be
competitive markets, yet accused of being heavy handed and stepping
in on property rights and so forth, which is not
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going to do our international reputation that's good either. So
that's the dream I've got at the moment to try
and find some way to tread that thin line between
doing nothing and intervening in a way that's going to
be more destructive in the long way.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
And there's no sign of any gas on the horizon.
So how many businesses are at risk of collapse due
to where we're.
Speaker 8 (09:07):
At, It's difficult to say, you know, roughly, roughly about
I would say about five and a half thousand gas
connections that we'll be classed as large commercial or industrial.
Clearly a number of them have been successful in acquiring
gas at a price that at least they can carry
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on with. But just based on the number in the
room on Friday, you have to say that the reasonable
percentage of firms are going to be struggling to get
past the next couple of years, all.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Right, lenin all the best going forward. Lehn Hower's is
from the Major Gas Users Group spokesperson, and it's a
big problem for everybody, and not good for the government
either in terms of wanting a good poll because they
want that economy to fly, but it doesn't fly when
you've not gas to fire it on. Hey, three hundred
semes and other businesses are going to struggle with supply
texts through that said, morning, Andrew, why don't you bring
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the economic terrorist, Chloe Swarbrick onto your program to talk
about the gas crisis. The Greens and the labor need
to be held accountable for this and accountable to the businesses.
Thank you for your text, Clive. The number is ninety
two ninety two, and a small, a small cost is
involved with doing that sort of text now just to hand.
By the way, US President Donald Trump has said he
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wants to try and get some territory back for Ukraine.
He's meeting with Vladimir Putin on Friday, and he's come
out and said in the last of the while that
Russia's occupied a big portion of Ukraine, some prime territory.
We're going to try and get some of that territory
back for Ukraine. The talks are in Alaska, Alaska. It
will be a feel out meeting aimed at urging Putin
to end the war and there should be some swapping
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and changes in land happens on Friday. We'll keep you
up today. This is News Talks. B Queenstown's on fire,
by the way, absolutely the rest of the country in
the Doldrons, but Queens not. But that causes its own problems.
We've got the mayor on next.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Andrew Dickens on earlier edition with one roof love.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Where you live news Talks, it'd.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Be well it's fire twenty one and yes we're in
bad economic times, well most of the country is, but
there's still one spot breaking in the cash that is Queenstown.
Their top spots are back in top form, with tourism
operators reporting strong numbers right across the board this winter season.
So I'm joined now by the Mayor of Queenstown, Glenn Lewis,
who should be a happy man.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Are you, Glenn?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Very happy? Injury yourself?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I'm very good. I'm very good. But yeah, Queenstown does
seem to be back on its feet. How come it's
excelling this winter season? Didn't do so last winter?
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Oh look, I think we did pretty well last winter.
We I think Queenstown made a leap it to keep
itself known during the pandemic years and with their Trainstairsman cousins.
So I think we're starting to see the.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Reward for that.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
All right, our tourists heading to New Zealand just for
your town or do you think that people come into
your town and then going other places, So there's a
trickle down.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
I'm hoping they go to other places. But yeah, it
does seem we're rather strong. Our trans Tasman friends are
certainly coming over here, and the numbers I think the
latest step we got from the airport, we're up one
hundred and forty five percent on pre COVID numbers on
our trans Tessman route, So yeah, we're doing well.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Are these wealthy tourists? I mean, I know you've got
a one hundred and thirty million dollar hotel development, so yeah,
money is going in. I was just wondering whether you're
actually targeting the wealthy people or you'll take anybody.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Oh it was a range of visitors, but look, we
were there the better off people. But we need to
back backpackers as well. They may help with the seasonal work.
They usually pour the pints, as we usually say absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Of course we've always talked about the fact that you
might be possibly over touristed, that your infrastructure is creaking
and struggling, so you're getting on top of that.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Yeah, that's probably the challenge we do have, but big
opportunity as well. Infrastructure needs to happen at the same
time as growth and the tourism numbers. But we're also
a fast growing residential growth town as well, so we
get the double whammy. But we're going to keep on
top of the infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Is the waste water debate all over and done with?
Speaker 6 (13:23):
That's still trucking along. Let's say it's an environment court
coming up, so we'll see how that goes. Well.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Good luck and congratulations and have you a good winter season.
I'll be down there in about a month, Glynn and
I thank you. Glenn Lewis is the bearer of Queenstown
and please set its snow over the next month so
that there's some late snow for my spring skiing. It
is five twenty four. It's News Talks ZB. What are
we all talking about at the moment? The state of Palestine.
More on this in a moment.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
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Speaker 2 (13:53):
It be News Talks b it is five twenty six.
So the big question facing us today is where the
New Zealand should join other nations and recognizing a Palestinian state, now,
this is a much bigger question than it seems. For
some it's easy labor and the Greens do it reflexively
without thinking. I think, call the Palestinians a state. There
you go. You've got a legal foothold to fight for
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some land. I guess is the way they're thinking. And
in a way, we've already done that by publicly calling
for a two state solution to the conflict in the
Middle East. But it's easy to confuse nations and states,
and the definition of state has many layers. A state
is a political and legal entity with sovereignty over a
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defined territory and a define population, and its focus is governance,
law and authority. And we know in the Palestinian case
many of those provisos are missing. Obviously there's no defined territory,
or maybe there was, but it's been pretty much destroyed.
There is no authority that is recognized by most, with
Hamas having lost the mandate in the eyes of many
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countries after what they did that October and the Palestinian authority,
long Sen discredited.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
A state can.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Easily be confused with a nation, which is a group
of people who share common cultural elements like language or ethnicity,
in history or traditions. So you can say Maori are
a nation of people with a New Zealand Palestinians can
be a nation. But that doesn't mean land, and that's
what you need to be a state, and that is
where the rubber really hits the road. It is hard
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to recognize a Palestinian state when there is no land
for it to belong. In Declaring a Palestinian state right
now though, would therefore be a piece of global virtue,
signaling a stance with little or no practical application other
than political pressure on Israel. And so New Zealand and
its government has now been accused of kicking the can
(15:45):
down the road because it's going to consider its position
over the next month. And to be fair, we are
kicking the can down the road. But this is a
delicate move which, as I've said already, on the outside,
seems so easy to many, but it's still full of pitfalls,
and it's seems to be putting the horse before the
cart when we don't know where the state would be
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in the world. And here's the big thing. Would declaring
a state actually put any food in Palestinian bellies?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
News talksz'd be by.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Twenty nine after my initial comments, Andrew, well done for
calling out Mikey Sherman. She did the same on air
with her last poll. Another right, so this is Mark writes,
Mikey Sherman is a gutter trash reporter who should disappear
off to Hollywood where she should fit in. That's a
good point actually, because the reason Mikey and a lot
of our TV guys get so hyperblic or hyperbolic if
you prefer, is because they've been told by the consultants
(16:39):
jug up the news to give it some snap and bite,
and that means you ended up putting in words that
have that have excessive meaning. And then people start going,
she's biased, and maybe someone should tell Mikey that. Another
text through Andrew, How the hell do you spend when
the purse is empty? That is true, but at the
same time you've got to spend. What did the government fight?
The government fighting wasteful spending, not all spending. And the
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criticism that came from Simon Bridges over the weekend and
also from Liam Dan and many other economists is that
we've cut all spending and that's why we were at
we're at these talks at me still to come, the
Palestinian Question out of Australia and from John Battersby from
Matty University.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I rely.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
The news you need this morning and the in depth
analysis early edition with Andrew Dickots and One Route Love.
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Speaker 11 (17:41):
Me, no.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
What it breaks off and as white as love to
do this to me. There's a reason we're playing this,
and the reason is mister Paul Street. You may not
know of Paul, but he was a great man in
New Zealand rock and roll. He passed away on Friday,
a very short battle against cancer. We found out Saturday morning.
So Paul was born in Vicargo. He played the cello
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when he was a kid, but then he got into
sound engineering. He was the live sound engineer for The
Dudes as they toured New Zealand, sort of taking over
the country. He then progressed being a studio engineer with
the Dudes. Also worked with Hallo Sailor. He made Blam
Blame Blam's first album, Luxury Length he's met in a
whole lot of stuff. Early Aukland dancing, he made a
whole lot of that as well. He ended up working
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at Radio Hoache, which is where I actually met him.
He was recording engineer where we made the ads and
the promos and all that sort of stuff, and he
was brilliant. He is a beautiful, gentle kind human. After
that he went to Mainz which and he was there
for twenty years. That's where he taught kids how to
be studio engineers, and then he went down to parap
Ram and started his own little studio. He is the
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loveliest man you would have ever met, honestly, and there's
been multitudes of tributes to Paul. I see that. The
Exponents on their Facebook page say very sad to hear
of the parting of Paul Strixture. Paul engineered and co
produced our biggest single. Way does love do this to me?
A very cool, kind and gentleman. We send our condolences
to his family. Rip Mate hasn't been well covered in
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the mainstream media, but it has now. Paul, I Love
you goodbye. Twenty two to six news talk Zibby around
the country, we go and Indoneda, CA.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I'm Proctor.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Good morning to you, morning Andrew. So the influenza pandemic
back in nineteen eighteen is getting a bit of a
study in Donedin.
Speaker 12 (19:41):
Yeah it is, and this is a first of its
kind really, it's a digital analysis of what was this
a deadly flu pandemic in nineteen eighteen across New Zealand.
It killed zero point eight percent of the population in
just six weeks, so that would be the equivalent of
about forty thousand people today. Academics also from the UK
(20:01):
and Germany will take part in this research. University professor
here Michael Baker says the project hopes to provide insights
into why this pandemic spreads so rapidly, especially given this
happened during a time when there was no rapid transport
light today and people moved a lot slower by train
or ship. How's your weather. It's wet this morning here,
(20:22):
We've got showers they meant to ease this afternoon. Southerly
is easing as well. And nine the high.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
And have you had your flu shot? I can't say
I have.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Good luck to you and I thank you. Claire Sure it,
joins us fro Christier Telly Claire, good morning, have you
had your flu shot? I have indeed so christ Jur's
new stadium. My goodness, the hype is building.
Speaker 13 (20:46):
The hype is building and the exciting thing after yesterday's
announcement when we heard that the Crusaders would be part
of the opening of the new stadium with this super
round on Anzac weekend, yesterday we also had confirmation that
it actually will be a case of public before punters.
So whilst that really exciting weekend of rugby will be
going forward, the six hundred and eighty three million dollar
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venue will actually open first and foremost two members of
the public, so Venus Auto TAHI chief executive Caroline Harvey
Tier says they're hoping to have a community open day
during the first week of the venue being opened in April.
She says they want to have as many of Christchurch's
residents through to have a look, have a sit on
the seats, get all the photos because after all, the
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christ Church locals are the ones who have waited almost
fifteen years for it.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I heard Jamia getting a bit bulshy about it all,
saying the real National Stadium for New Zealand does not
eat in part, but takaha.
Speaker 13 (21:39):
He did indeed and said that it will be the
envy of the nation.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Okay, how's your weather?
Speaker 13 (21:44):
Mostly cloudy, a few showers here today as well as
souther least and a high of ten.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Out of Wellington. We're joined by Lachlan Ready how a
lochlom Morning Andrew So, a Wellington public servant, want's Victoria
University to actually show the money before demolishing a derrelic
block of fats that they've owned for ages.
Speaker 14 (22:00):
Yes. So. In June, Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced the
Gordon Wilson Flats on the Terrace will be stripped of
its heritage status and demolished. The university owns the flats
and plans to put in student accommodation blocks. However, Public
Service Manager Jane o' lachlan is challenging it to halt
the demolition until it publicly fronts with a plan in
the finances of a new project. She wants reassurance from
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the community will get a replacement building that's actually better
than the status.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Quoe.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
How's your weather?
Speaker 14 (22:27):
It's cloudy periods with a few suspicious little clouds there
with some few showers, expectors and fresh chevalries today with
the high of nine degrees.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
And I thank you for your time today. And we're
joined now by Neva read tomno out of book on
Helen Getings. Okay, we've got an Orcha Merril candidate getting abused.
Speaker 11 (22:43):
Yes, now, this is Curent Leoni. Now she said she
was abused by a member of the public. This is
while she was putting up her signage and her campaign
team had to report it to police. She says the
abuse had been while she was putting up the holdings.
This was in South Auckland. While not going into detail,
she says the incident was not racist. She sees Since then,
she's decided obviously not to advertise her candidacy on her vehicle.
(23:06):
Now we know that, you know, Leone's decision follows that
of colleague. I think do you'll remember this, Andrew, that
counselor Josephine Bartley who last week she did the same.
She stripped her signage off a vehicle. You know, she
said on Facebook. You know it sucks.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Safety first though, absolutely.
Speaker 11 (23:20):
How's the weather, Okay, mainly find apart from a morning
frost and sheltered places cool and Crisp fifteen is the
high here in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So the big story today is a Palestinian question. Should
we as a state, as a nation, as a nation state,
indeed recognize a Palestinian state. We're going to talk about
this in a few moments time with our Australian correspondent
because they've gone full more, they've jumped in both feet
and we've also got an expert on this on international
(23:48):
geopolitics just before the news at six. So your text,
Linda says no to a Palestinian state, it will not work.
New Zealand just following the un herd that hurts, not
very big, it's at this stage. But do we want
New Zealand to lead the way many do? Another asked
the question, is Winston Peter's the one in cabinet holding
up New Zealand's decision because he's the one who's always
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on Donald Trump's side. Well, at the same time, Winston
is the one who actually knows how to measure the
weight of words in these sorts of international politics. And
so I would say he's cautious, and there's nothing wrong
with an abundance of caution at the right time. Anyway,
more on this next with our Australian correspondent, and just
before six. It is seventeen to.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Six International correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
Mind for New Zealand business.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yes, it's now fourteen minutes to six. So the Palestinian question,
I can tell you Australia has jumped in. They have
formally recognized Palestine.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
A two stage solution is humanity's best hope to break
the cycle of violence in the Middle East and to
bring an end to the conflict, suffering and starvation in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Now that's a funny old clip bread because a two
state solution, I know it depends on it needs a state,
but at the same time it's a subtle way of
saying they should be declared a state. So where are
we are in Australia and what's the reaction to that
so far. I'm joined now by our Australian correspondent, Leslie Yeoman,
So Leslie morning, Andrew.
Speaker 14 (25:23):
Yes.
Speaker 15 (25:24):
Well, to be honest, Labor has supported a two state
solution for some time, but now that it's in the
federal government, it hasn't really been eager to commit to
a timeline on that. Recognition, but Prime Minister Albanezi has
now set that timeline and that's a first now following
talks with a number of countries, including New Zealand and Japan,
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the timeline will now see Australia MAKIX recognition formal at
the September meeting of the UN General Assembly in New York.
Now it comes after a number of things have happened,
because people sort of saying well, why now, Well, it
comes after France, the UK and Canada announced it they'd
also recognized Palestine. They announced that just a little while ago.
(26:11):
It also comes after some pretty large protests across the
country and the court of public opinion can have an
effect on some issues like this. The biggest of those
protests was in Sydney last week where up to one
hundred thousand people marched across the Harbor Bridge, and those
protesters were urging the government to sanction Israel for its
(26:32):
actions in Gaza, where are thousands of people have been
killed and people there are still starving. So there are
a number of reasons why it's sort of happened now
and we'll sort of see what happens at the UN
General Assembly in New York next month.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Has it been.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Generally well received or is there descends? Is it divisit the.
Speaker 15 (26:53):
Well received to a degree, but there have been many
comments saying it's too little, too late, and well it
really make any difference anywhere anyway. The federal opposition here
has not been complimentary of it, saying that it's just
basically playing into Hammers's hands over there. But a lot
of people are just saying it's just too little, too
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late and it's not going to make any difference.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Now. How exciting On Sunday in Victoria when a metea
streaked across the sky. There's fireballs and people's houses got rattled.
Speaker 15 (27:24):
Did they ever? And now the hunt is on to
try and find fragments of that meteorite as it came
crashing down. Yea, it happened in country Victoria, somewhere people
think between Bendigo and Ballarat. Now, no one's been able
to find it as yet or if there are any fragments,
(27:45):
if anything, has sort of lasted as it crashed to earth.
But people sort of reported that they heard a huge
explosion which shook their homes and they were saying that
there was a flaming ball of lights streaking across sky
with a sort of a flaming tale at the end
of it. Some even thought it was an earthquake. It
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was so loud and such a huge sonic boom that
they thought that it was an earthquake rattling their homes.
It was also seen as far away as in Melbourne
and heard in Melbourne and as far as west as
warning Ball in western Victoria. So quite amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Absolutely, no, thank you so much. And you can just
imagine the Australian accident saying, oh, there's a flaming ball
of light, mate.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
It is ten to six news talk said be.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
So Australia says they're going to recognize Palestine in September.
We're weighing up our position and there'll be a month
where we talk about this amongst the cabinet. This comes
after Australia back to two state solution at the UN
joining the UK, Frances and Canada. We've always back to
two state solution, but there's a difference when you actually
declared that Palestine a Palestine state, you recognize the Palestine state.
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So to talk about the nuance of all of this,
John Battersby, who is a massive university, he's at the
massive University Center for Defense and Security Studies One.
Speaker 10 (29:06):
It's your John, good morning.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
So what is this? Is this virtue signaling? Is this
just a symbolic gesture or does it have a real power.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
I think it is largely a symbolic gesture and it's
brought on, obviously by what your previous speaker was talking about,
the horrendous consequences that are that are being felt in
Gaza as a result of the Israeli response to the
October twenty twenty three event. And I think the the
vast feeling of public opinion in several countries is something
(29:36):
needs to be done to try and pull the Israeli
action back. There's internal dissent in Israel itself over the
effect of it. So any move really in this direction
may be able to temper. So I think while it
is somewhat symbolic in terms of recognizing a state that
problems in the air, there is an effect that may have.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yes, indeed, it's pressure on as well as pressure on us.
I mean, how big is this moved from Australia to
do this, to declare this now? And will our government
now be feeling the pressure to join the herd?
Speaker 10 (30:09):
I think there'll be a general Yeah, there'll be a
general pressure up here, pressure of other states. A number
of other states already recognized under and forty seven. I
think you have already done so, so there'll be we'll
probably have to justify why we don't. I think would
be the would be the case. Well, the problem is, though,
I think that it's probably recognizing it for the wrong reason.
(30:30):
It's recognizing it as a counter to Israeli action, rather
than recognizing the integrity of a Palestinian state itself.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
A state which is divined with territory and people and
governance and law and authority, because it's not just oh
it's a state. There's a whole lot before you can
become a state.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Isn't it.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Well, that's right, and it's it's divided between the we
spank and guards or the big chunk of Israel, than
between and Gaza is heavily contested between Hamas and in Israel,
and Hamas is an autocratic organization. There's no friend of democracy.
A number of Arab states don't support it, so you'll
there's some big questions around this.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Absolutely, is there any downside?
Speaker 10 (31:10):
Is there a downside to recognizing possibly in the future,
but governments tend to act in the moment, and the
key crisis at the moment is the perceived overreaction of
Israel and the ditrimental effects it's having on the people
of Gaza, and that's probably the most urgent thing that
needs to be done. So yeah, probably the downside that
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it's probably down the road.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
John Battersby, I thank you so much from the Massive
University Center for Defense and Security Studies. It is seven
minutes to six.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
The first word on the News of the Day early
edition with Adre Dickins and one Route Love where you
Live News talks.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
That'd be so I paid tribute to Paul Stretxter, the
sound engineer and the person who trained sound engineers for
decades have passed away over the weekend, and Grahams written
that during the seventies and eighties we have fantastic people
involved in New Zealand music port obviously one of them.
It's the best time for the KEII sound. Yes it was.
And by the way, if you're somewhere near Saint Peter's
Village Hall and Paika Kariki tomorrow one that's when his
(32:08):
celebration of his life is going to happen, and you'll
see an awful lot of very famous New Zealanders around
there speaking. Which is one mate? Now, Mike Ello, good morning.
The Palestinian question, the it's a weird thing. Yesterday I
was watching the Prime Minister's press conference. I don't understand
it personally, I've never understood it.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
So what happens? So you recognize Palestine, then what ye nothing?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
To be a state, you need land and they don't
have any land. Guy just now just pointed that out.
There's there's between the West Bank and the Gards and
there's no land. There's no there's no authority. Har Mass
has been discredited, the Palestine authority.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
It's just the weirdest thing. It's just like I was
watching the question. It's like they went into some sort
of crazed fizz that we were going to say something,
and of course we didn't even say anything. We might
say something, maybe we won't, Maybe Australia will, maybe there
won Who cares? What difference does it make? Well?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Would I say this morning? Will it put any food
in a palace and belly?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
There's a hundred you realize, one hundred and fifty ish
countries who already recognize Palestine. What's that done for them?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
And we've already said, oh, we believe in a two
states solution, but that doesn't mean to clear its state.
But what's it means?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
It means nothing, absolutely nothing. I don't know why the
Prime Minister doesn't say that. I mean, you probably can't
afford to politically. Anyway, we'll we'll touch as briefly on
that as we possibly can. Good news on tourism, bad
news on tourism. So two separate stories on that. Laney
Wilson no country music.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Oh, yes, she's coming.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
She's coming, and so we'll talk to her. She's a
big deal. She's like a seriously big deal.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I defer to you, I'm not a country guy.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
No, she's she's like right up there. She'd be as
certainly the biggest female name in country music and like
Luke Holmb's esque in terms of success and size, audience
and stuff like that. Anyway, she's coming here for the
first time to hear this moment.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Madame er Dickons, thank you if your company, have a
great day.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Well, good morning to you and thank you so much
for choosing the program. So today in the next hour,
gas is at a crisis point, Shane Jones considering rationing supply.
Is there an easier answer to an ongoing problem? We'll
have that story for you in five Queens Sound tourism
is booming ahead of the rest of the country. So
what headaches is this causing? And we're too next for
the Adventure Capital, We're going to go to Australia where
(00:31):
our meet here has struck the state of Victoria. And
speaking of states, the government is to consider recognition of
the Palestine state. But is that as easy as it sounds?
That story just before six. We'll have these stories correspondens
from around the world and New Zealand and news as
the breaks you can have you say you can text
week ninety two ninety two or small charge applies. It
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is seven minutes.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Out five.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's Tuesday, the twelfth of August. Donald Trump is sending
him the National Guard again, this time to Washington d C.
He's taking control of the city's police. This is part
of a crime and homelessness crackdown.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Our capital city has been overtaken by violent gangs and
bloodthirsty criminals, roving mobs of wild youth, drugged out maniacs,
and homeless people.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And we're not going to let it happen anymore. We're
not going to take it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Mayor Muriel Bowsa says there's no crime way and offenses
had been falling since twenty twenty three, So what's it
all about. A violent crime, they say, is now at
a thirty year low, but there we go.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Funerals have been held for five Al Jazeera journalists killed
in an Israeli strike on Gaza City.
Speaker 7 (01:40):
Johnalis are considered civilians in any war setting and should
not be targeted, and to target them deliberately is a
war crime.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
The just writing military say, is it targeted twenty eight
year old correspondent and that's al Sharif. They reckon he
led a Hamas terra cell, but so far that provided
little evidence to back them claim up.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
Prior to the war, Anasa Shadif was working in the
Hamas media office, but that is all that we know
about him, and important to emphasize too that no evidence
has been given despite inquiries for the other journalists who
are with him. So this is an entire Al Jazeera
team who has now been eliminated from Gaza City.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And finally, an easy Jet pilot has been suspended after
a wild night at a luxury resort in cap Verde.
He was spotted wondering the hotel naked in the wee
hours after a long drinking session. He was dueified and
gat work thirty six hours later. Well, no, he didn't
do that. He was grounded after complaints from people in
the hotel, and he's been replaced. It's nine after five.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Andrew
Dickens and One Root Love Where You Live News talks.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
It'd be well, not a great pole for the government,
but to be feared, not a great pole for anyone.
The major parties are all mired in the thirties, the
miners are all flirting around the tens, and no leader
gets above twenty percent approval. Christopher Luxen's on twenty percent,
Christopher Hipkins on nineteen. The headline here is we don't
like our politicians, any of them measurable popularity is just
(03:14):
the baked on supporters who were vote blue or red
even if a goat was leaving their party. But that
didn't stop Mikey Schumann last night using hyperbolic language to
describe the situation. Words like plummet and soaring came out
of her mouth. That was in last night's analysis and
it's plenty not so has she not got the memo
about her excitable delivery. It's seen as either bias or
(03:38):
naive following a consultant's call to jus up the news.
But look, we're not happy with our government and we're
not happy with the last mob, and that's the opposition,
and none of the minor parties are taking their place,
no matter how many times Coley Swarbrick spooks her party's
chances of becoming the leader of any coalition in government
or opposition. All our politicians are stuck in the mud
(04:01):
of our economic malaise and none are offering solutions. It's
the economy, stupid. Labour is deliberately withholding policy for the
election year, so there's no hope there. And National has
done the first steps of writing the ship with their
form of austerity. But the country is thirsty for the
next step, and I reckon that next step is fixing Auckland.
Simon Bridges from the Auckland Chamber made that call on
(04:23):
the weekend. Liam Dan said the same thing. The economy
outside our biggest city is getting back to its feet.
We're going to talk to the Queen sale Mayer in
a moment, but Auckland is lagging. And Auckland is where
a third of our people also known as the voters, live,
so it's still quite important. A number of National Party
members I've talked too lately who attended the recent conference
(04:43):
said that at that conference there were all sorts of
mutterings about what to do next, and they speak a
word that's loaded with gravity. They speak the word pump priming.
They're talking loosening the government's purse strings to give Auckland
a nudge forward. They know that government spending makes up
forty percent of this economy. Overspending overinflates the economy, as
(05:05):
we've learnt only too well, but underspending collapses it, which
is what we're going through right now. And a few
policies that might see government cash flowing into the Aucland
economy would do us all a favor, might get some
builders back on the tools, money in their pockets, and
maybe we might see some light at the end of
the tunnel, and maybe we might get some votes for
some politicians. It's twelve after five zedby, So there's a
(05:29):
gas crisis. We know this. It's been bringing up for
a while and we've known this as well. But now
now we've got the Minister Shane Jones starting to talk
about rationing of gas. So how does the business feel
about that and is there an easy solution to this.
We're going to talk in a few moments time to
Lehn Hower's lehn is the Major Gas Users Group spokesperson
(05:49):
and he's facing a crisis. He's next on new stalk ZENB.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Views and Views You Trust to start your day. It's
earlier this ship with Andrew Dickins and Love Where You
Live News Talks.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
The'd be It's fourteen minutes after five. So there is
a core for the government to take immediate action and
the gas sector supplies reaching a crisis point. The Business
New Zealand Energy Council and Optimal Energy Management Solutions have
joined forces to urge Minister Shane Jones to save manufacturing jobs.
So to talk about this, I'm joined by Lenn Howards,
who's the Major Gas Users Group spokesperson. Good on it
(06:23):
to Elen, Yes, good morning, how are you.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
This is a problem that's been brewing up for twenty
years and we've never done anything about it. So how
bad is it?
Speaker 8 (06:32):
I think it's getting pretty bad. The property is in
the industrial secret at the moment where a lot of
these companies are coming up for new contract when you're
suddenly finding that the expectations for pricing is beyond their
means to actually pay for it.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, And like I said, we've been saying this for
twenty years. You know, we've got to find more gas.
We didn't have enough. We stopped looking for gas. Some
were saying we should have started the decarbonization process earlier.
Speaker 9 (06:59):
Was that thinking, Well, I think basically the basic problem
was I think decarbonization is certainly at the root of this,
and in fact, you know that's made it the government
policy to effectively create an energy transition.
Speaker 8 (07:14):
What the government then failed to do, I think is
actually provide a pathway that was sustainable and ordered to
get there, so that effectively left business to cope with
rising carbon.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Prices and.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
Putting them on a path to transition without the technology
of the economics able there to support that transition to happen.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So now this is all landed on Shane Jones' desk,
and you were at the meeting with Shane Jones. What
did he say and did it alleviate any concerns you had?
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Well?
Speaker 8 (07:46):
I think Shane Jones obviously is a champion I think
for industry in New Zealand, and he's going to try
and do what he can, but he's also going to
get a past his colleagues and so forth as well.
One of the ideas he had on the table I
think was too reserve gas industry rather than for electricity generation.
That's an idea that's being explored at the moment by
(08:08):
him and cabinet.
Speaker 10 (08:09):
I take it.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And as the thought of rationing which has come out
of Shane's mouth, is that actually a good idea? Will
that only make the situation worse and be a tragedy
for our economy?
Speaker 8 (08:22):
Yeah, Well that's the dynamic, isn't it. I Mean, in
the first place, if he does nothing, your risk of
the industrialization If you then decide instead to intervene and
effectively what it might be seen as work will be
competitive markets, yet accused of being heavy handed and stepping
in on property rights and so forth, which is not
(08:44):
going to do our international reputation that's good either. So
that's the dream I've got at the moment to try
and find some way to tread that thin line between
doing nothing and intervening in a way that's going to
be more destructive in the long way.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
And there's no sign of any gas on the horizon.
So how many businesses are at risk of collapse due
to where we're.
Speaker 8 (09:07):
At, It's difficult to say, you know, roughly, roughly about
I would say about five and a half thousand gas
connections that we'll be classed as large commercial or industrial.
Clearly a number of them have been successful in acquiring
gas at a price that at least they can carry
(09:27):
on with. But just based on the number in the
room on Friday, you have to say that the reasonable
percentage of firms are going to be struggling to get
past the next couple of years, all.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Right, lenin all the best going forward. Lehn Hower's is
from the Major Gas Users Group spokesperson, and it's a
big problem for everybody, and not good for the government
either in terms of wanting a good poll because they
want that economy to fly, but it doesn't fly when
you've not gas to fire it on. Hey, three hundred
semes and other businesses are going to struggle with supply
texts through that said, morning, Andrew, why don't you bring
(10:06):
the economic terrorist, Chloe Swarbrick onto your program to talk
about the gas crisis. The Greens and the labor need
to be held accountable for this and accountable to the businesses.
Thank you for your text, Clive. The number is ninety
two ninety two, and a small, a small cost is
involved with doing that sort of text now just to hand.
By the way, US President Donald Trump has said he
(10:27):
wants to try and get some territory back for Ukraine.
He's meeting with Vladimir Putin on Friday, and he's come
out and said in the last of the while that
Russia's occupied a big portion of Ukraine, some prime territory.
We're going to try and get some of that territory
back for Ukraine. The talks are in Alaska, Alaska. It
will be a feel out meeting aimed at urging Putin
to end the war and there should be some swapping
(10:50):
and changes in land happens on Friday. We'll keep you
up today. This is News Talks. B Queenstown's on fire,
by the way, absolutely the rest of the country in
the Doldrons, but Queens not. But that causes its own problems.
We've got the mayor on next.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Andrew Dickens on earlier edition with one roof love.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Where you live news Talks, it'd.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Be well it's fire twenty one and yes we're in
bad economic times, well most of the country is, but
there's still one spot breaking in the cash that is Queenstown.
Their top spots are back in top form, with tourism
operators reporting strong numbers right across the board this winter season.
So I'm joined now by the Mayor of Queenstown, Glenn Lewis,
who should be a happy man.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Are you, Glenn?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Very happy? Injury yourself?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I'm very good. I'm very good. But yeah, Queenstown does
seem to be back on its feet. How come it's
excelling this winter season? Didn't do so last winter?
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Oh look, I think we did pretty well last winter.
We I think Queenstown made a leap it to keep
itself known during the pandemic years and with their Trainstairsman cousins.
So I think we're starting to see the.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Reward for that.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
All right, our tourists heading to New Zealand just for
your town or do you think that people come into
your town and then going other places, So there's a
trickle down.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
I'm hoping they go to other places. But yeah, it
does seem we're rather strong. Our trans Tasman friends are
certainly coming over here, and the numbers I think the
latest step we got from the airport, we're up one
hundred and forty five percent on pre COVID numbers on
our trans Tessman route, So yeah, we're doing well.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Are these wealthy tourists? I mean, I know you've got
a one hundred and thirty million dollar hotel development, so yeah,
money is going in. I was just wondering whether you're
actually targeting the wealthy people or you'll take anybody.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Oh it was a range of visitors, but look, we
were there the better off people. But we need to
back backpackers as well. They may help with the seasonal work.
They usually pour the pints, as we usually say absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Of course we've always talked about the fact that you
might be possibly over touristed, that your infrastructure is creaking
and struggling, so you're getting on top of that.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Yeah, that's probably the challenge we do have, but big
opportunity as well. Infrastructure needs to happen at the same
time as growth and the tourism numbers. But we're also
a fast growing residential growth town as well, so we
get the double whammy. But we're going to keep on
top of the infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Is the waste water debate all over and done with?
Speaker 6 (13:23):
That's still trucking along. Let's say it's an environment court
coming up, so we'll see how that goes. Well.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Good luck and congratulations and have you a good winter season.
I'll be down there in about a month, Glynn and
I thank you. Glenn Lewis is the bearer of Queenstown
and please set its snow over the next month so
that there's some late snow for my spring skiing. It
is five twenty four. It's News Talks ZB. What are
we all talking about at the moment? The state of Palestine.
More on this in a moment.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
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Speaker 2 (13:53):
It be News Talks b it is five twenty six.
So the big question facing us today is where the
New Zealand should join other nations and recognizing a Palestinian state, now,
this is a much bigger question than it seems. For
some it's easy labor and the Greens do it reflexively
without thinking. I think, call the Palestinians a state. There
you go. You've got a legal foothold to fight for
(14:14):
some land. I guess is the way they're thinking. And
in a way, we've already done that by publicly calling
for a two state solution to the conflict in the
Middle East. But it's easy to confuse nations and states,
and the definition of state has many layers. A state
is a political and legal entity with sovereignty over a
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defined territory and a define population, and its focus is governance,
law and authority. And we know in the Palestinian case
many of those provisos are missing. Obviously there's no defined territory,
or maybe there was, but it's been pretty much destroyed.
There is no authority that is recognized by most, with
Hamas having lost the mandate in the eyes of many
(14:56):
countries after what they did that October and the Palestinian authority,
long Sen discredited.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
A state can.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Easily be confused with a nation, which is a group
of people who share common cultural elements like language or ethnicity,
in history or traditions. So you can say Maori are
a nation of people with a New Zealand Palestinians can
be a nation. But that doesn't mean land, and that's
what you need to be a state, and that is
where the rubber really hits the road. It is hard
(15:23):
to recognize a Palestinian state when there is no land
for it to belong. In Declaring a Palestinian state right
now though, would therefore be a piece of global virtue,
signaling a stance with little or no practical application other
than political pressure on Israel. And so New Zealand and
its government has now been accused of kicking the can
(15:45):
down the road because it's going to consider its position
over the next month. And to be fair, we are
kicking the can down the road. But this is a
delicate move which, as I've said already, on the outside,
seems so easy to many, but it's still full of pitfalls,
and it's seems to be putting the horse before the
cart when we don't know where the state would be
(16:05):
in the world. And here's the big thing. Would declaring
a state actually put any food in Palestinian bellies?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
News talksz'd be by.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Twenty nine after my initial comments, Andrew, well done for
calling out Mikey Sherman. She did the same on air
with her last poll. Another right, so this is Mark writes,
Mikey Sherman is a gutter trash reporter who should disappear
off to Hollywood where she should fit in. That's a
good point actually, because the reason Mikey and a lot
of our TV guys get so hyperblic or hyperbolic if
you prefer, is because they've been told by the consultants
(16:39):
jug up the news to give it some snap and bite,
and that means you ended up putting in words that
have that have excessive meaning. And then people start going,
she's biased, and maybe someone should tell Mikey that. Another
text through Andrew, How the hell do you spend when
the purse is empty? That is true, but at the
same time you've got to spend. What did the government fight?
The government fighting wasteful spending, not all spending. And the
(17:04):
criticism that came from Simon Bridges over the weekend and
also from Liam Dan and many other economists is that
we've cut all spending and that's why we were at
we're at these talks at me still to come, the
Palestinian Question out of Australia and from John Battersby from
Matty University.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I rely.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
The news you need this morning and the in depth
analysis early edition with Andrew Dickots and One Route Love.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Where you live, News talks at.
Speaker 11 (17:41):
Me, no.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
What it breaks off and as white as love to
do this to me. There's a reason we're playing this,
and the reason is mister Paul Street. You may not
know of Paul, but he was a great man in
New Zealand rock and roll. He passed away on Friday,
a very short battle against cancer. We found out Saturday morning.
So Paul was born in Vicargo. He played the cello
(18:16):
when he was a kid, but then he got into
sound engineering. He was the live sound engineer for The
Dudes as they toured New Zealand, sort of taking over
the country. He then progressed being a studio engineer with
the Dudes. Also worked with Hallo Sailor. He made Blam
Blame Blam's first album, Luxury Length he's met in a
whole lot of stuff. Early Aukland dancing, he made a
whole lot of that as well. He ended up working
(18:37):
at Radio Hoache, which is where I actually met him.
He was recording engineer where we made the ads and
the promos and all that sort of stuff, and he
was brilliant. He is a beautiful, gentle kind human. After
that he went to Mainz which and he was there
for twenty years. That's where he taught kids how to
be studio engineers, and then he went down to parap
Ram and started his own little studio. He is the
(18:58):
loveliest man you would have ever met, honestly, and there's
been multitudes of tributes to Paul. I see that. The
Exponents on their Facebook page say very sad to hear
of the parting of Paul Strixture. Paul engineered and co
produced our biggest single. Way does love do this to me?
A very cool, kind and gentleman. We send our condolences
to his family. Rip Mate hasn't been well covered in
(19:21):
the mainstream media, but it has now. Paul, I Love
you goodbye. Twenty two to six news talk Zibby around
the country, we go and Indoneda, CA.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I'm Proctor.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Good morning to you, morning Andrew. So the influenza pandemic
back in nineteen eighteen is getting a bit of a
study in Donedin.
Speaker 12 (19:41):
Yeah it is, and this is a first of its
kind really, it's a digital analysis of what was this
a deadly flu pandemic in nineteen eighteen across New Zealand.
It killed zero point eight percent of the population in
just six weeks, so that would be the equivalent of
about forty thousand people today. Academics also from the UK
(20:01):
and Germany will take part in this research. University professor
here Michael Baker says the project hopes to provide insights
into why this pandemic spreads so rapidly, especially given this
happened during a time when there was no rapid transport
light today and people moved a lot slower by train
or ship. How's your weather. It's wet this morning here,
(20:22):
We've got showers they meant to ease this afternoon. Southerly
is easing as well. And nine the high.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
And have you had your flu shot? I can't say
I have.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Good luck to you and I thank you. Claire Sure it,
joins us fro Christier Telly Claire, good morning, have you
had your flu shot? I have indeed so christ Jur's
new stadium. My goodness, the hype is building.
Speaker 13 (20:46):
The hype is building and the exciting thing after yesterday's
announcement when we heard that the Crusaders would be part
of the opening of the new stadium with this super
round on Anzac weekend, yesterday we also had confirmation that
it actually will be a case of public before punters.
So whilst that really exciting weekend of rugby will be
going forward, the six hundred and eighty three million dollar
(21:07):
venue will actually open first and foremost two members of
the public, so Venus Auto TAHI chief executive Caroline Harvey
Tier says they're hoping to have a community open day
during the first week of the venue being opened in April.
She says they want to have as many of Christchurch's
residents through to have a look, have a sit on
the seats, get all the photos because after all, the
(21:28):
christ Church locals are the ones who have waited almost
fifteen years for it.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I heard Jamia getting a bit bulshy about it all,
saying the real National Stadium for New Zealand does not
eat in part, but takaha.
Speaker 13 (21:39):
He did indeed and said that it will be the
envy of the nation.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Okay, how's your weather?
Speaker 13 (21:44):
Mostly cloudy, a few showers here today as well as
souther least and a high of ten.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Out of Wellington. We're joined by Lachlan Ready how a
lochlom Morning Andrew So, a Wellington public servant, want's Victoria
University to actually show the money before demolishing a derrelic
block of fats that they've owned for ages.
Speaker 14 (22:00):
Yes. So. In June, Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced the
Gordon Wilson Flats on the Terrace will be stripped of
its heritage status and demolished. The university owns the flats
and plans to put in student accommodation blocks. However, Public
Service Manager Jane o' lachlan is challenging it to halt
the demolition until it publicly fronts with a plan in
the finances of a new project. She wants reassurance from
(22:22):
the community will get a replacement building that's actually better
than the status.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Quoe.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
How's your weather?
Speaker 14 (22:27):
It's cloudy periods with a few suspicious little clouds there
with some few showers, expectors and fresh chevalries today with
the high of nine degrees.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
And I thank you for your time today. And we're
joined now by Neva read tomno out of book on
Helen Getings. Okay, we've got an Orcha Merril candidate getting abused.
Speaker 11 (22:43):
Yes, now, this is Curent Leoni. Now she said she
was abused by a member of the public. This is
while she was putting up her signage and her campaign
team had to report it to police. She says the
abuse had been while she was putting up the holdings.
This was in South Auckland. While not going into detail,
she says the incident was not racist. She sees Since then,
she's decided obviously not to advertise her candidacy on her vehicle.
(23:06):
Now we know that, you know, Leone's decision follows that
of colleague. I think do you'll remember this, Andrew, that
counselor Josephine Bartley who last week she did the same.
She stripped her signage off a vehicle. You know, she
said on Facebook. You know it sucks.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Safety first though, absolutely.
Speaker 11 (23:20):
How's the weather, Okay, mainly find apart from a morning
frost and sheltered places cool and Crisp fifteen is the
high here in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So the big story today is a Palestinian question. Should
we as a state, as a nation, as a nation state,
indeed recognize a Palestinian state. We're going to talk about
this in a few moments time with our Australian correspondent
because they've gone full more, they've jumped in both feet
and we've also got an expert on this on international
(23:48):
geopolitics just before the news at six. So your text,
Linda says no to a Palestinian state, it will not work.
New Zealand just following the un herd that hurts, not
very big, it's at this stage. But do we want
New Zealand to lead the way many do? Another asked
the question, is Winston Peter's the one in cabinet holding
up New Zealand's decision because he's the one who's always
(24:10):
on Donald Trump's side. Well, at the same time, Winston
is the one who actually knows how to measure the
weight of words in these sorts of international politics. And
so I would say he's cautious, and there's nothing wrong
with an abundance of caution at the right time. Anyway,
more on this next with our Australian correspondent, and just
before six. It is seventeen to.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Six International correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
Mind for New Zealand business.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yes, it's now fourteen minutes to six. So the Palestinian question,
I can tell you Australia has jumped in. They have
formally recognized Palestine.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
A two stage solution is humanity's best hope to break
the cycle of violence in the Middle East and to
bring an end to the conflict, suffering and starvation in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Now that's a funny old clip bread because a two
state solution, I know it depends on it needs a state,
but at the same time it's a subtle way of
saying they should be declared a state. So where are
we are in Australia and what's the reaction to that
so far. I'm joined now by our Australian correspondent, Leslie Yeoman,
So Leslie morning, Andrew.
Speaker 14 (25:23):
Yes.
Speaker 15 (25:24):
Well, to be honest, Labor has supported a two state
solution for some time, but now that it's in the
federal government, it hasn't really been eager to commit to
a timeline on that. Recognition, but Prime Minister Albanezi has
now set that timeline and that's a first now following
talks with a number of countries, including New Zealand and Japan,
(25:48):
the timeline will now see Australia MAKIX recognition formal at
the September meeting of the UN General Assembly in New York.
Now it comes after a number of things have happened,
because people sort of saying well, why now, Well, it
comes after France, the UK and Canada announced it they'd
also recognized Palestine. They announced that just a little while ago.
(26:11):
It also comes after some pretty large protests across the
country and the court of public opinion can have an
effect on some issues like this. The biggest of those
protests was in Sydney last week where up to one
hundred thousand people marched across the Harbor Bridge, and those
protesters were urging the government to sanction Israel for its
(26:32):
actions in Gaza, where are thousands of people have been
killed and people there are still starving. So there are
a number of reasons why it's sort of happened now
and we'll sort of see what happens at the UN
General Assembly in New York next month.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Has it been.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Generally well received or is there descends? Is it divisit the.
Speaker 15 (26:53):
Well received to a degree, but there have been many
comments saying it's too little, too late, and well it
really make any difference anywhere anyway. The federal opposition here
has not been complimentary of it, saying that it's just
basically playing into Hammers's hands over there. But a lot
of people are just saying it's just too little, too
(27:14):
late and it's not going to make any difference.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Now. How exciting On Sunday in Victoria when a metea
streaked across the sky. There's fireballs and people's houses got rattled.
Speaker 15 (27:24):
Did they ever? And now the hunt is on to
try and find fragments of that meteorite as it came
crashing down. Yea, it happened in country Victoria, somewhere people
think between Bendigo and Ballarat. Now, no one's been able
to find it as yet or if there are any fragments,
(27:45):
if anything, has sort of lasted as it crashed to earth.
But people sort of reported that they heard a huge
explosion which shook their homes and they were saying that
there was a flaming ball of lights streaking across sky
with a sort of a flaming tale at the end
of it. Some even thought it was an earthquake. It
(28:06):
was so loud and such a huge sonic boom that
they thought that it was an earthquake rattling their homes.
It was also seen as far away as in Melbourne
and heard in Melbourne and as far as west as
warning Ball in western Victoria. So quite amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Absolutely, no, thank you so much. And you can just
imagine the Australian accident saying, oh, there's a flaming ball
of light, mate.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
It is ten to six news talk said be.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
So Australia says they're going to recognize Palestine in September.
We're weighing up our position and there'll be a month
where we talk about this amongst the cabinet. This comes
after Australia back to two state solution at the UN
joining the UK, Frances and Canada. We've always back to
two state solution, but there's a difference when you actually
declared that Palestine a Palestine state, you recognize the Palestine state.
(28:58):
So to talk about the nuance of all of this,
John Battersby, who is a massive university, he's at the
massive University Center for Defense and Security Studies One.
Speaker 10 (29:06):
It's your John, good morning.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
So what is this? Is this virtue signaling? Is this
just a symbolic gesture or does it have a real power.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
I think it is largely a symbolic gesture and it's
brought on, obviously by what your previous speaker was talking about,
the horrendous consequences that are that are being felt in
Gaza as a result of the Israeli response to the
October twenty twenty three event. And I think the the
vast feeling of public opinion in several countries is something
(29:36):
needs to be done to try and pull the Israeli
action back. There's internal dissent in Israel itself over the
effect of it. So any move really in this direction
may be able to temper. So I think while it
is somewhat symbolic in terms of recognizing a state that
problems in the air, there is an effect that may have.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yes, indeed, it's pressure on as well as pressure on us.
I mean, how big is this moved from Australia to
do this, to declare this now? And will our government
now be feeling the pressure to join the herd?
Speaker 10 (30:09):
I think there'll be a general Yeah, there'll be a
general pressure up here, pressure of other states. A number
of other states already recognized under and forty seven. I
think you have already done so, so there'll be we'll
probably have to justify why we don't. I think would
be the would be the case. Well, the problem is, though,
I think that it's probably recognizing it for the wrong reason.
(30:30):
It's recognizing it as a counter to Israeli action, rather
than recognizing the integrity of a Palestinian state itself.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
A state which is divined with territory and people and
governance and law and authority, because it's not just oh
it's a state. There's a whole lot before you can
become a state.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Isn't it.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Well, that's right, and it's it's divided between the we
spank and guards or the big chunk of Israel, than
between and Gaza is heavily contested between Hamas and in Israel,
and Hamas is an autocratic organization. There's no friend of democracy.
A number of Arab states don't support it, so you'll
there's some big questions around this.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Absolutely, is there any downside?
Speaker 10 (31:10):
Is there a downside to recognizing possibly in the future,
but governments tend to act in the moment, and the
key crisis at the moment is the perceived overreaction of
Israel and the ditrimental effects it's having on the people
of Gaza, and that's probably the most urgent thing that
needs to be done. So yeah, probably the downside that
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it's probably down the road.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
John Battersby, I thank you so much from the Massive
University Center for Defense and Security Studies. It is seven
minutes to six.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
The first word on the News of the Day early
edition with Adre Dickins and one Route Love where you
Live News talks.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
That'd be so I paid tribute to Paul Stretxter, the
sound engineer and the person who trained sound engineers for
decades have passed away over the weekend, and Grahams written
that during the seventies and eighties we have fantastic people
involved in New Zealand music port obviously one of them.
It's the best time for the KEII sound. Yes it was.
And by the way, if you're somewhere near Saint Peter's
Village Hall and Paika Kariki tomorrow one that's when his
(32:08):
celebration of his life is going to happen, and you'll
see an awful lot of very famous New Zealanders around
there speaking. Which is one mate? Now, Mike Ello, good morning.
The Palestinian question, the it's a weird thing. Yesterday I
was watching the Prime Minister's press conference. I don't understand
it personally, I've never understood it.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
So what happens? So you recognize Palestine, then what ye nothing?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
To be a state, you need land and they don't
have any land. Guy just now just pointed that out.
There's there's between the West Bank and the Gards and
there's no land. There's no there's no authority. Har Mass
has been discredited, the Palestine authority.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
It's just the weirdest thing. It's just like I was
watching the question. It's like they went into some sort
of crazed fizz that we were going to say something,
and of course we didn't even say anything. We might
say something, maybe we won't, Maybe Australia will, maybe there
won Who cares? What difference does it make? Well?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Would I say this morning? Will it put any food
in a palace and belly?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
There's a hundred you realize, one hundred and fifty ish
countries who already recognize Palestine. What's that done for them?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
And we've already said, oh, we believe in a two
states solution, but that doesn't mean to clear its state.
But what's it means?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
It means nothing, absolutely nothing. I don't know why the
Prime Minister doesn't say that. I mean, you probably can't
afford to politically. Anyway, we'll we'll touch as briefly on
that as we possibly can. Good news on tourism, bad
news on tourism. So two separate stories on that. Laney
Wilson no country music.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Oh, yes, she's coming.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
She's coming, and so we'll talk to her. She's a
big deal. She's like a seriously big deal.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I defer to you, I'm not a country guy.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
No, she's she's like right up there. She'd be as
certainly the biggest female name in country music and like
Luke Holmb's esque in terms of success and size, audience
and stuff like that. Anyway, she's coming here for the
first time to hear this moment.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Madame er Dickons, thank you if your company, have a
great day.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
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