December 11, 2024 • 34 mins
On the Early Edition with Andrew Dickens Full Show Podcast for Thursday the 12th of December. The government has a new plan for the Cook Strait ferries - but there was a noticeable lack of detail. Labour's Tangi Utikere reacts.
A new multi million dollar loan to purchase Mount Ruapehu's liquidated Whakapapa ski field. Dave Mazey is heading the new venture and joins the show to talk about his plans.
Staff at Immigration New Zealand have been sacked or given formal warnings for sending inappropriate messages about migrants to each other - should we be more careful about what we send on work platforms?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The issue, the interviews, Issus and the Inside Andrew Dickens
on the early edition with Smith City, New Zealand's furniture
bands and apply at store use talks.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It'd be hey, good morning to you, welcome to the programs.
Thank you for choosing us. I'm Andrew Dickins. It's six
minutes after five, so on the program today. Turns out,
having a gossip at work about your clients it can
get you fired. So what are the rules. We've got
an employment expert on that. Next, will we be skiing
at fucka Papa in twenty twenty five? That all hangs
in the balance. The government's got skin in the game
now they've given them a loan. We'll talk to Dave
(00:37):
Maisie from the Skifield with his forecast on skiing. Yes,
it's a skiing forecast. That's in ten minutes time. The
albatross has been hanging around our Next, will we get
new ferries anytime soon? Labor with their reaction to what
they call government in action just before sticks. We've got
Kate Fisher out of the States on the saga of
luig Gi Mangioni and also files of Malibu. And we've
got correspondence from right around New Zealand and news as
(00:59):
it breaks all in one hour. You can text me
on ninety two ninety two. You can email Dickens at
Newstalk ZMB dot co dot NZ.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's Thursday, the twelfth of December. Israel says it's conducted
almost five hundred strikes in Syria in just two days.
The IDEF claims that destroyed the country's entire navy fleet,
as well as most of Syria's strategic weapon stockpiles.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I hereby warn the rebel leaders in Syria whoever follows
Asad's path will end up like Asad. We will not
allow an extremist Islamic terrorist entity to act against Israel
across its borders and at the risk of its citizens.
We will do whatever is necessary to remove that threat.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So to Australia, an investigation underway in Sydney. A car
was set on fire, multiple houses vandalized. That's what the
Prime Minister calls a hate crime. They're looking for two
people aged between fifteen and twenty, and Sydney comes just
a few days after a similar attack in Melbourne, where
a synagogue was set on fire. Police are treating it
as a possible terror attack. They have an operation called
Operation the Light, which is trying to combat this sort
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of stuff. Police in South Korea have arrested their own
national chief and the head of Sul's police force for
blocking access to the National Assembly on the night that
the president voked martial law at a parliamentary committee. A
special warfare commander says the president called and asked him
to forcibly remove members of parliament from the chamber so
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they wouldn't have enough votes to overturn the martial.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Law even if he followed the directive. Our deployed forces
will later be considered law.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Breakers, and too many people cook get hurt. We determine
it would beyond.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Just there we go. And finally, US inflation has jumped
up heading two point seven percent in the year ending November,
slightly higher from the two point six percent was seen
in a previous month. Food and petrol prices. Where the
big drivers of inflation will is winter. There, of course,
the food gets more expensive. Despite all of that, though,
the Federal Reserve still expected to cut rates next week,
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which is going to make the world economy harden. It
is nine after five.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
The news You need this Morning and the in Depth
Analysis Early edition with Andrew Dickens and Spit City New
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Speaker 2 (03:12):
It'd be oh, actually, since we're talking about inflation going
up in America, let's talk about the fact that this
week we found out that inflation was still going up
in Australia. The Reserve Bank there are nowhere near lowering
interest rates like we have. Inflation is still blunting their
daily life. So in Australia they actually praise us, you
know that, they actually praise our hard edged approach to inflation.
(03:36):
We rose interest rates hard, yes, but then we lowered
them hard as well. They didn't. They've been hoping for
a soft landing that never happened. So inflation grumbles on.
And look, it's important for us, isn't it that Australia
does well, a healthy Australian economy, Because they are our
big brother. I'd hope they would do a little bit better.
But here's the thing. Here's the thing. In Australia they
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praise our Reserve Bank, We damn them. We blame Adrian
Or for getting us into a world of pain. Turns
out the world of pain was being felt all over
the world. Adrian or was not some outlier doing something
completely crazy. Everybody was spending too much, everybody loosened far
too much. Nobody expected the global economy to work so
(04:18):
well from home. So in Australia they view Adrian kindly.
Look at those kiwis, Look how nimble they are, Look
how brave they are, look at them pivoting on a dime.
And meanwhile in New Zealand we talk about the nirvana
and the rivers of gold that wait for our young
folk in Australia, and so off they go. So here's
a fact check. In Australia, inflationist still on the charge.
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In Australia, the housing crisis is worse than ours. In Australia,
they have three tiers of taxation. In Australia, they have
way more user pays than us. In Australia, their Prime
Minister looks more and more like an out of a
touch ideological lefty than ours. In fact, the only thing
about Australia that I like is the fact that they're bigger.
So if you do well in Australia, will do very well.
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But otherwise I know exactly where i'd like to be.
And that is right where I am right now, Dickens.
So we're waiting for the confirmation of Times Person of
the Year. It's going to happen sometime in the next
hour or two. The favorite, Donald Trump. In fact, they're
(05:24):
giving him this is the betting odds give him an
eighty three percent implied probability that he gets Person of
the Year. He's already got it once before, back in
twenty twenty one. You have to say what he did
was pretty remarkable to come back and to win this.
But there's other names on there as well, like Elon Musk.
Now Elon Musk was also named Person of the Year
back in twenty twenty one. He's now ten to one
(05:45):
to do it again. Look at Elon Though. He's got rockets,
he's got cars, he's got batteries on the side of houses,
and he helps Donald Trump get back into power. Didn't
he do more than Donald? Also in there as Kamala Harris,
Kate Middleton has been nominated Princess of Wales for looking
great through cancer. Benjamin Netts and Yahoo's been nominated. Joe
(06:06):
Rogan has been nominated. Mark Zuckerberg, who would you nominate
as person of the Year. You can text me ninety
two ninety two and at number again ninety two ninety two.
Dickinson Newstalks at b dot Co dot M said, you
know you have a good old chat about your clients.
What about that client that you have sold that to? God,
he's a bit weird that one. You do that at
work right? Apparently it's not good. You can get in trouble.
(06:29):
Staff at Immigration in New Zealand got into big trouble.
We'll talk about this with an employment expert next here
on news Talks here b five thirteen.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Get ahead of the headlines.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
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Speaker 2 (06:45):
It'd be great little protests happening right now in London
as farmers and tractors descend on Westminster. No farmers, no food,
classic absolutely classic, great sites, big old riggs all storming
up there and will keep you in touch with details
as they come to hand. Now staff at Immigration New
Zealand have been sacked or given formal warnings for sending
(07:06):
inappropriate messages about migrants their clients to each other. So
sixteen staff members at several branches were disciplined inappropriately talking
about visa applicants on team chats. And you know team chats,
it's a work software. We've all used that. Employment expert
Max Whitehead joins me now to talk about this other.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Max, good morning, Andrew.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
There's a shocker.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Is it a shocker? I mean hello, I mean everyone
is guilty about gossip being about our clients. These are
just clients. They're talking about stuff they're helping, they're being collegial, Max.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Yes, but one, you're using an employer's tool to make
this disrespectful and could easily bring the employer into disrepute
and has because obviously these people now are in the media.
I mean Andrew Dickinson's talking about them right now.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yes, that's true. So hold on. They made a very
important point because it's because it's on teams that makes
it worse.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
It doesn't make it worse. And look, even if they
made a comment on their own social media like Facebook
or or you know, any one of those TikTok or
anything like that at all, that brings the employer into disrepute.
So if they said something like this is the worst
employer anybody could have, I'm suffering here. That will bring
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that will bring on disciplinary action, and it could even
be dismissal. So the employer is required to have a
policy before they can enforce it. If it's not there's
no policy, they should at least give the person a
warning first offense, and then thereafter go after it. But
employers need to be aware that they also have to
be careful of free speech, because people do have an
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entitlement to say well what they like to some extent,
but bringing someone into disrepute that particularly your employer, the
employer can be reactive to it, and probably will.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Of course, my social media is full of me criticizing everybody.
You know, so I'm in big trouble, I guess. But
people forget about reputational risk and reputational risks to companies
and reputational risks to individuals and your own brand.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Correct and look more of the higher ranking like look
at you. I'm in the highest ranking person in ZB.
If you made a comment, you would be in worse
trouble than perhaps someone slowly down the line. If I
was just a normal employee who fronted up and did
all the league work, that would have a big, big
ramification for you. Now there's there's a couple of court
(09:36):
cases which are really interesting. One man had road rage
and actually ran over somebody and that made headlines. And
of course, but everyone knew where this person worked. He
had a high profile, and so the employer dismissed him,
even though I had nothing to do with the workplace,
dismissed him for bringing into distribute. Another person on the
(09:58):
birthday cake put something like and I work for the
worst bees in the world. You know, I can't say
the word, but certainly that person on social media and
thought it was funny and wow, gone finished.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
All right, Max, that's a very warning that has Max
Whitehead here is an employment law specialist with white Head Consultants.
And look, here's the thing. Make some rules for yourself
if your employer, please make a rule for your employees too,
so you know, just in case they are having a
bit of a gossip they realize that that's the wrong thing.
Don't just come out of the blue. And remember, termination
is terminal. Can I just say I have skied at
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fucker Papa ski Field since I was five years of
age and I am now sixty one. I have skied
at that place a lot, and it breaks my heart
that it could possibly never be skeied on again. So
we'll update exactly where we're at with all of that
in just a few moments time with the guy who
runs the field. It's nineteen alf to five on your.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with Andrew Dickens
and Smith City, New Zealand's to Bids and a playing Store.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You talk said, be that's good mooing to you.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Despite the fact that Shane Jones said no more money
for ral, Cabinet has approved a five minute endlar bone
for Fucking Papa Holdings limits it to buy RuPay Who's
fucker Papa ski Field? So the loan hangs on Fucker
Papa Holdings getting a concession to run the skifield from
the Department of Conservation. This how could be complete by April,
ready for the twenty twenty five ski season. So Dave
Mayzie as a man trying to hold it all together
(11:25):
and joins me.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Now, Hello, Dave, Hello, Andre, how are you?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I'm very good and obviously I'm a former life pass
owner from nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I want this field to go, will it? I wanted
to work?
Speaker 6 (11:39):
No, it'll go it'll work, it will be successful, and
it'll get back to contributing to central North Island economy
in particular and the lifestyle of a lot of Kiwis.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's fuck Papa Holdings in any way related to the
old ral rupey who our plane lifts.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
No, No, I'm the only You're the only one individual
that's got an association with ral from years gone by.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
The government's giving you cash. I mean, do you have
private backers who will step in from April?
Speaker 6 (12:10):
You know, there's a group of investors that come out
of a South Island office which is a cross Church
based investment company and myself the investors.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
If you get.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Approval from the Department of con If you get approval
from Department of Conservation it comes to in April, that
does it give you enough time to be skiing in July.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Well, the receivers will be trading the company up until
that gentleman date and they'll be preparing it for winter.
So yes, we don't have an issue with that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Something I've always asked is if I wondered about is
what's happening to the ski clubs that are on fuck Aparta,
Because there's about forty or fifty of them up there.
I used to belong to Christiania, made of mine, used
to be the president of Tahara Nuku. I mean there's
a lot of infrastructure up there that is dependent on
people being able to ski.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Yeah, and that's that's part of the risks for focker
poper not trading going forwards. There's fifty eyed lodges there.
They're still they're still there. There's still very much as
you will remember, and if the skier is not there
reasonable expectation that those lodges will all all those clubs
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will fall over and that sort the next tip five
to ten years and someone's got to pick up the
cost of their removing.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Oh yeah, Now that's the other thing. When when this
field falls over or touro fall falls over, the Department
of Conservation demands that you then have to re establish
the mountain. You're going to take down the kit another
and if you had to take down all the ski
for your kit, that's one hundred million dollars to take
down a holiday kit that does nothing.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Why well, it's a World Heritage site that's sincerely strong
and highly regarded. Attributes to social to look themong or
it's incredibly significant to local EWE. And you don't leave
stranded assets in a national park. When road bridges get
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roads get realigned, and a bridge is redundant through a
national park, it gets fully removed in the land restored,
same principle.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
So expensive. And one last question.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
The companies were clubs have gone into receivership or liquidation,
then that that cost falls on dark arter government.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And finally, the Skywalker, which is the gondola, is that
separate to the ski operation? I mean, will that always
continue because it has a sightseeing thing, it has a
restaurant at the top. Is that sort of separated from
the rest of the company and the operation?
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Now that well, it's one of the assets that will
be buy.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
So which means you can operate all year long. Dave, look,
I wish you obviously only the best of black and
we should know this by April, that is five twenty five.
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Speaker 2 (15:02):
At me tired of hearing about the fairies. We've been
talking about fairies all week long. In fact, we've been
talking about them for a year. So we're going to
be talking about fairies. The Herald's headline this morning is
faerry plan light on key details, no kidding, like details
on a boat of wharf in a terminal. Basically that's
everything about about a faery. When Nichola Willis blew up
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Kiwi Rail's plan for new fairies a year ago, she
promised a better plan. Is this a better plan? So
they're going to form a new company to buy some fairies.
No news about which fairies, which fairies, what kind of
ferries whatever, They're going to form a new company. That's
two seconds work. Nothing about what's happening port side. Also
an invitation to private industry to come up with a
(15:45):
better solution. So let's review again. No new fairies, no
new ports, no ships ordered, and seemingly no idea that
private industry already provides a service that is Bootbridge. You're
going to say, maybe a private person could come up
with some interest, Why don't you closed down the ferries
and give them all to Bluebridge, Because that's what you
just said, Nikola Wis. Finance Minister Chris Hipkins said this
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was an announcement of an announcement. How rich is that
It's exactly what we lampooned him for But is it
an announcement of an announcement. It is rather because you
know they've got to still announce the ferries, the wharves
and the terminal. It was ideological, don't you think the
government came in, saw government spending and this government doesn't
make spending, so they canceled it without thinking about the
(16:29):
long term consequences. It was an ideological These guys are
sounding more and more like the Labor Party every day
when I talk like this. This was not based on
business practice or financial logic. It's not on brand, and
it's harming reputationally. Think about this as a business. They
broke a contract for ships that was a good deal.
Breaking contracts not good puts flag on head. Not to
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mention the break free, which some people have say could
be as highest round a mill. Now we have basically
a company owned by the government desperately in the market,
and the providers of new boats or second hand boats
will go, gee, these guys a week, aren't they look
at their week in possession? That desperate for a boat.
Let's sell them this piece of rust. The government just
needs a boat to save their face. Sellers will no
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longer be sharpening their pencils, portside costs continue to escalate.
This is a government that prides itself on business acumen
and ability of mergers and acquisitions, and they've given themselves
a weekend going forward. They don't seem to know what
to do and so they're doing nothing and when they
do do something, they won't have a strong position anyway.
We're going to talk to Labor's spokesperson on this fellow
(17:34):
I hadn't heard of before. His name is Tonguey. He's
the Whip. He's going to join us just before six.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
News and Views you trust to start your day.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
It's early edition with Andrew Dickens and Smith City New
Zealand's Furniture Beds and a Flying Store Youth talk Siddy.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Loving the protests in Westminster right now. Farmers are revolting.
No farmers, no foods. They feel they're getting the crunch
from the Labor Party. And look at them. They're dress
and beautiful berbery, magnificent cheese cutter hats. They're looking super country,
looking super fine and they are not happy. So more
details in our news coming up now. Reaction to the fairies,
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Andrews says Gavin from Canterbury. The fairies were a bargain.
If they were impossible to use, we could have finished
them and then sold them for a profit. Now we
pay three hundred and fifty million and get nothing. What
a good a point. Somebody else has said, I've got
a new name for the boat if we ever get one.
It's called boti nec.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Save face.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Bumpcha twenty three to six. Core Logics come out with
their highlights of twenty twenty four. Most expensive suburb Hermbay
average three point three six million. Most affordable suburb murder
Para buy a house there average one ninety one thousand,
one hundred ninety one thousand. I'll have to thank you.
Top sale eighty four poud of tie Drive od K
twenty one point eight mil. Highest rent change in Niokoho,
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which is in topoor medium rents increased twenty seven point
seven percent Nicoho well Highest rental yield where you make
the most money from your rental Matada in Southern gross
rental yield of ten point eight, followed by Wellington Central
at nine point two. It's twenty two to two six
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and around the country you go.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Come.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I'm Proctor and toned a good morning to you.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Morning Andrew earthquakes.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
You don't think of them in Otago, and now you
don't have to worry about them so much.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Well there's some slightly good news. I supposed for central
Otaga residence. The chance of an earthquake along a western
Otago fault line is now thought to be lower than expected.
This is after a new Otaga University research looked into
the Nevis Kadrona fault to determine just when exactly prehistoric
earthquakes took earthquakes took place along this fault line, and
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they've discovered the fault has experienced fewer quakes than initially thought,
one over twelve thousand years ago, another between twenty and
forty thousand years ago. So the lead author's doctor Jack Williams.
He says that this helps him create an insight into
when future earthquakes may happen. He says, despite less frequent
quakes on this fault, people should always though plan.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Ahead exactly and I'm sure it's still going to be
on your building consent anyway. How's your weather.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Find at first chance for shower later this evening for
Daneeda nor that he's easing the high twenty four today.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
And I thank you. Claire Sherwood joins us now from Crashers, Hello, Claire,
good morning, and environment Canterby' is pushing back against the
Treaty Principal's Bill.
Speaker 8 (20:35):
They certainly are, Andrew. Canterbury Regional Counselors have voted in
favor of a draft submission which is calling for the
bill's abandonment. The draft says the Council's committed to becoming
a Treaty partner of excellence and says the bill would
create both legal and financial uncertainty environment Canterbury Chair Craig
Pauling says it's important council stance is known and it's
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not an option to simply sit back and not stand up.
He says he doesn't believe it could inflame the situation
as it provides clarity on where the Council is at
and the potential good stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And how's your weather?
Speaker 9 (21:10):
Fine?
Speaker 8 (21:10):
In price Church aside from a bit of high cloud
northeasterlyas turning northwest later a maximum of twenty.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Seven Okay to Wellington we go where the search for
a gang shooter widens. Max told joins is hell her?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Max?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
What's happening?
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (21:22):
A former a gang president was shot dead on Tuesday,
Albert Knocker of the Rebels. He was targeted, shot in
broad daylight in the middle of the afternoon on a
suburban street in a lower huts nine night. He died
then and there before police could arrive. There had been
some sort of verbal altercation on the street and the shooter,
who police described as a large full facial tattoos about
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thirty years old, fled with some associates. There is a
homicide investigation underway, of course. Police want to speak to
anyone around Seddon Street, particularly residents who might have a
front facing security camera on their home. They do have
the plate of the car. They don't think there's a
risk of some sort of gang war erupting. Enoca had
(22:05):
only been released from prison earlier this year.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And how's your weather?
Speaker 10 (22:10):
Mostly cloudy today with the odd shower twenty the high central.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Neva left to Mane who joined me in studio, had
anva good morning, so kinda airport had a bit of
an it your name, oh Fuba, what.
Speaker 11 (22:21):
A cluster this was yesterday. I mean, when I was
reading this story, you know, in the news yesterday morning,
I thought I am so glad I wasn't flying anywhere
overseas yesterday. I just yes, SPIRA thought for those people.
But yes, so the internet access was cut. This was
for the international check and system, so many airlines they
had to manually check people in until around nine am
they had queues out the door. The airport says that
(22:44):
this issue was in the domain of one of its
network providers now Grant Bradley, he's The Herald's aviation reporter.
He says this fault came up also while the airport
deals with its range of problems, you know, including you know,
of the baggage system. So he says, they're probably maybe
a lot of pointing. There is the stakeholders meet and
they're going to try and figure out how to ensure
that this doesn't happen again, especially as we know Christmas
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just around the corner, busy time for the airports. How's
Hawkin's weather periods of heavy rain, localized downpours possible, tending
to showers by evening, thunderstorms possible. We've got it all, Andrew.
But it's still warm. Our high twenty three in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
It is eighteen to six now. Luigi Mangioni, what a
name what a person, what a story. I mean, he
was a valedictorian.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
He was.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
He came from really good stock, you know, and then
somehow he went a bit crazy and decided to wage
war on corporate America. Luigi Mangioni is also a very
entertaining name to saying. The only Mangioni I know is
Chuck who played a flugel horn. Remember Chuck Mangioni and
feels so good. Anyway, what is the latest on Luigi Mangioni?
(23:45):
Fascinating story. Cape Fisher is with US.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Next international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
As Cape Fisher joins US from Washington, DC. Hellyicate, Hello,
what what's the latest with Luigi Mangioni.
Speaker 9 (24:04):
Well, yeah, he has He's in jail in Pennsylvania at
the moment. He has been charged in New York with
the assassination of the United Healthcare insurance boss Brian Thompson.
But he has a fighting extradition. He appeared in court
yesterday in Pennsylvania and he refused to be extradited with
(24:28):
his giving his consent to do so, and so he
was denied bail, which means he remains in jail in
Pennsylvania while the legal ramifications are sorted out in trying
to get him extracited to New York. He's going to
be going, It's just going to take a lot longer
because he is refusing to cooperate. We have also found
(24:50):
out reporting here saying that a notebook was found on him,
which in which he described or the notebook, the writing
in the notebook described going to a common and killing
an executive. Quote, what do you do? You whack the
CEO at the annual parasitic being counter convention. It's targeted,
precise and doesn't risk innocence.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So the fact that the United Healthcare boss and the
fact that he assassinated him, there wasn't any any personal beef.
That was just because he exists.
Speaker 9 (25:21):
Well, yeah, he's the fact he allegedly did. So, yeah,
it's his manifesto. Police are suggesting as it is such
as it is, is that he was fed up with
corporate America and that he wanted to make an example of,
you know, of trying to make a statement, if you like,
by doing something that would bring down one of these
(25:45):
chief executives. It doesn't suggest in any of the writings
that has certainly been reported on so far that there
was a personal issue with United Healthcare. It was more
of a general issue with the whole of corporate America.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
So mister Thompson was just in the wrong at the
wrong time. It's a tragedy, it's a horrific crime. We've
got fires in Malibu, and you know it's serious. The
celebrities are evacuating.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
That's right. Dick Van Dyke, who was in of course
Mary Poppins and musicians share or among thousands of people
who've been told to leave their homes in Malibu after
this really fast moving wildfire broke out. It's burning acres
of this area, and it's a very wealthy area. Lots
of very rich people and stars lived there. Were also
(26:33):
told that people like Barbara Streisan, Jay Z, and Beyonce
Lady Gaga all have homes in the evacuation zone, although
we don't know whether they've been forced to leave or
even if they are in those homes at the moment.
But yeah, lots of residents having to leave, a vast
wave of California under fire, and this of course is
(26:55):
becoming a regular annual event in California.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, absolutely thanks so much. Cake Fisher out of Washington, DC,
and those guys who are being evacuated. Also the news
jay Z who's in diddy Gate right now, and Beyonce
Dick van Dyke who's starring in the latest Cold Played
video which is well worth the look. And he's ninety
nine almost one hundred and Share who's just written a
new book. And Share who, by the way, will be
on the Breakfast Show shortly. I don't think I'm giving
(27:21):
you anything away, but Share. What a story, what a person?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
It is twelve to six Andrew dickens.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
As a story on everybody's lips. It is the Fairy.
The long awaited ferry announcement from the government came yesterday. However,
there's still plenty of unanswered questions. There are going to
be two new fairies, but the government won't say they
how much they will cost, or whether the rare fairies
will be rail enabled. A new Crown Company will be
established to have the new Fairies ready to begin service
(27:48):
by twenty twenty nine. And Tonguey Tickety joining me right now.
He is a spokesperson for Transport and Labour's Chief Whip. Hello,
this is a Christmas gift. For you, isn't it tongy?
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Good morning, Andrew.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
Well, I think this whole saga has been ongoing and
yesterday's announcement was extremely disappointing. It's rather underwhelming, and this
has been the sort of mainstay for Nikolaullis since she's
been in the Captain's chair around this particular issue of
the fairies.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
What is underwhelming about this deal, Well, the issue.
Speaker 12 (28:19):
Is that nothing really was announced yesterday with an announcement
of an announcement. What we've learned is that Kiwis will
need to wait longer for the fairies when they do arrive.
It was meant to be twenty twenty six under the
former government. Now we'll have to wait until at least
twenty twenty nine. There'll be smaller boats that are likely
to be rail enabled, which will have huge implications for
(28:40):
the main trunk line between the North and South Island,
and fundamentally they will also end up costing much much more.
That is not a deal that Kiwis deserve.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Could you please explain the difference between ray rail enabled
and rail compatible and no rail at all? I mean,
what is the difference? Is rail enable is one roll
on roll off or not you know.
Speaker 12 (29:06):
Yeah, So rail enabled is what we currently have within
the inter round a fleet for one of the three ferries,
and it means that basically freight can simply go on
a train straight onto the ship at one end and
then come straight off again at the other. Rail compatible
means that they have to basically offload the freight onto
another vehicle to get it onto the ferry and then
(29:28):
at the other end do the same. So it is
a sense of double handling. Now that adds additional cost
to freight costs and who will carry that It will
be the consumer that will carry it, but also the
additional time it's around about three an extra three hours
on a return journey to basically double handle, which will
mean that you know, the faeries can't can't run as much.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Thank you, thank you. National says their project will be
cheaper than yours or the one that you were overseeing
or the one that you were in charge of or
mir key we Rail was running the whole thing. Will
they have one if the project does come out cheaper, well, at.
Speaker 12 (30:04):
Won't come out cheaper. I mean already there's nearly half
a billion dollars in sunk costs. The cancelation fee, which
will be upwards north of three hundred million. We still
don't know what that is and they're still negotiating that
well into next year. The actual cost of the series
on top of that, the addition will increase, and maintenance
of the fleet that now has to continue to run
through to twenty twenty nine, and then of course the
(30:26):
port side developments which they are pushing that cost on
to rate payers and others. So this actual envelope will
continue to skyrocket, and they didn't give us any indication
as to what that final figure would look like yesterday
as part of the announcement Eiver.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Tell you ty Kevy, I, thank you so much for
your time today, tann you Ti Kelly, chief Whip and
also Labour's transport spokesperson. And somebody saying, well, is that
a bias commentator. Yes, he's from labor that's his point
of view. We've found out what Labour's point of view is.
We heard yesterday what National's point of view is, and
you're going to hear about everybody's point of view over
the course of the next day. That's called cabin seeing
all sides. That's called the media, that's called us story.
(31:03):
It is a minister six and am I too early
for this?
Speaker 9 (31:07):
Am?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Is Heather ready? Is Heather ready?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Heather?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Are you ready? We'll find out well, I'll do a
name break.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Andrew Dickens, on early edition with Smith City, New Zealand's
furniture Beds and applying store news talk, saidby.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I've got a few texts about the shooter in America.
Someone rightes, Oh, this is Paul, it says to me,
So Andrew, he was fed up with corporate America but
was caught eating at McDonald's. Yes, Paul irony is rich.
Other people are complaining about the fact they used his name.
He's a shooter, he's a murderer, alleged. But you know
we all saw the video. So I will not name
(31:41):
the man anymore, even though his name. Come on, get it,
come offis louis so nice to say?
Speaker 13 (31:46):
Why are we doing that thing? Where if we pretend
that if some of us don't say the name, somehow
what he doesn't exist anymo.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Know you also have to click your heels three times.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
It's bizarre.
Speaker 13 (31:58):
You just send it to that about the Christian shoot
it and arm.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And another text Andrew, these are ships, not boats. Stop
saying boats. Ships are bigger, better and also more expensive,
and that's good. That's good for you as well.
Speaker 13 (32:09):
Yes, vessels, vessels, vessels, So that I sound like I
know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
So everyone's talking about the fairies.
Speaker 13 (32:15):
Yeah, well, that's an unfortunate decision there yesterday, wasn't it.
I mean, that was incredibly embarrassing. So we'll have a
little bit of a chat about that. I don't know
if you've caught this, but it's been reported on zeb
that what's actually happened as Nichola has signed it has
hammered out a deal anyway. So she's got a couple
of fairies she wants to buy about two hundred meters long,
nine hundred million bucks, and Winnie Pee wants to be
(32:36):
able to better that. That seems to be what's going on.
So he's going to go out and stand.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
So it's like he wants to play a better hands.
But the funny thing is he's also got a hand
already in the bush, so to speak, so that if
he can't find the better hand, he cans talk about
and go, look, I have these fairies, and Nicola will
just sit there going, well, I gave him to you,
and but you know, we're all sweet and happy here.
Speaker 13 (32:54):
He wins either way, right, he wins either way, and
it's all bad for bets.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
But then they go through all this period today and
were and last night where everyone's going they're useless. Announced
another an announcement.
Speaker 13 (33:04):
Yeah, but it's a couple of weeks before Christmas, so
it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter too much.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Right, Please tell me you're going to talk about something
other than fairy sorry ships.
Speaker 13 (33:12):
See, the Saudi Arabians have just been announced as the
host country for the People World Cups. That's gonna flip
some lids, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
It is rather and we came in and Elliott was
talking about it, and then Elliott just casually says, I
don't think they're going to get the Women's World Cup.
Speaker 13 (33:25):
So I did a Google search. If I was to
go in twenty thirty four for whatever reason and watch
the football World Cup in Saudi Arabia, I don't have
to wear a burker, So it's okay for the women.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
If you were playing in a Women's World Cup, would
you have to play on the field?
Speaker 13 (33:38):
In the booker God, so he knows it's never gonna happen.
They don't want us ladies running around on a field anyway.
We've got a better things to do, like be in
the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Oh yeah, of course. But look it just shows in
money Rules, Money rules, and guess where the next America's
Cup is going to be? Money rules, Money rules, money rules,
and times Person of the Year is announced at some
stage this morning?
Speaker 13 (33:56):
Is it this morning?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think so Thursday? The Thursday I was saying, so cool,
So here we go.
Speaker 13 (34:01):
Obviously going to be Kate, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
It's Kate or Bebe or no? No. Apparently Donald's eighty
three percent probable according to the betting agencies. Anyway, my
thanks to Leo the producer. I'm Andrew Dickins to you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
It'd be hey, good morning to you, welcome to the programs.
Thank you for choosing us. I'm Andrew Dickins. It's six
minutes after five, so on the program today. Turns out,
having a gossip at work about your clients it can
get you fired. So what are the rules. We've got
an employment expert on that. Next, will we be skiing
at fucka Papa in twenty twenty five? That all hangs
in the balance. The government's got skin in the game
now they've given them a loan. We'll talk to Dave
(00:37):
Maisie from the Skifield with his forecast on skiing. Yes,
it's a skiing forecast. That's in ten minutes time. The
albatross has been hanging around our Next, will we get
new ferries anytime soon? Labor with their reaction to what
they call government in action just before sticks. We've got
Kate Fisher out of the States on the saga of
luig Gi Mangioni and also files of Malibu. And we've
got correspondence from right around New Zealand and news as
(00:59):
it breaks all in one hour. You can text me
on ninety two ninety two. You can email Dickens at
Newstalk ZMB dot co dot NZ.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It's Thursday, the twelfth of December. Israel says it's conducted
almost five hundred strikes in Syria in just two days.
The IDEF claims that destroyed the country's entire navy fleet,
as well as most of Syria's strategic weapon stockpiles.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I hereby warn the rebel leaders in Syria whoever follows
Asad's path will end up like Asad. We will not
allow an extremist Islamic terrorist entity to act against Israel
across its borders and at the risk of its citizens.
We will do whatever is necessary to remove that threat.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So to Australia, an investigation underway in Sydney. A car
was set on fire, multiple houses vandalized. That's what the
Prime Minister calls a hate crime. They're looking for two
people aged between fifteen and twenty, and Sydney comes just
a few days after a similar attack in Melbourne, where
a synagogue was set on fire. Police are treating it
as a possible terror attack. They have an operation called
Operation the Light, which is trying to combat this sort
(02:01):
of stuff. Police in South Korea have arrested their own
national chief and the head of Sul's police force for
blocking access to the National Assembly on the night that
the president voked martial law at a parliamentary committee. A
special warfare commander says the president called and asked him
to forcibly remove members of parliament from the chamber so
(02:24):
they wouldn't have enough votes to overturn the martial.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Law even if he followed the directive. Our deployed forces
will later be considered law.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Breakers, and too many people cook get hurt. We determine
it would beyond.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Just there we go. And finally, US inflation has jumped
up heading two point seven percent in the year ending November,
slightly higher from the two point six percent was seen
in a previous month. Food and petrol prices. Where the
big drivers of inflation will is winter. There, of course,
the food gets more expensive. Despite all of that, though,
the Federal Reserve still expected to cut rates next week,
(02:57):
which is going to make the world economy harden. It
is nine after five.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
The news You need this Morning and the in Depth
Analysis Early edition with Andrew Dickens and Spit City New
Zealand's Furniture Bits and applying store news talks.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
It'd be oh, actually, since we're talking about inflation going
up in America, let's talk about the fact that this
week we found out that inflation was still going up
in Australia. The Reserve Bank there are nowhere near lowering
interest rates like we have. Inflation is still blunting their
daily life. So in Australia they actually praise us, you
know that, they actually praise our hard edged approach to inflation.
(03:36):
We rose interest rates hard, yes, but then we lowered
them hard as well. They didn't. They've been hoping for
a soft landing that never happened. So inflation grumbles on.
And look, it's important for us, isn't it that Australia
does well, a healthy Australian economy, Because they are our
big brother. I'd hope they would do a little bit better.
But here's the thing. Here's the thing. In Australia they
(03:57):
praise our Reserve Bank, We damn them. We blame Adrian
Or for getting us into a world of pain. Turns
out the world of pain was being felt all over
the world. Adrian or was not some outlier doing something
completely crazy. Everybody was spending too much, everybody loosened far
too much. Nobody expected the global economy to work so
(04:18):
well from home. So in Australia they view Adrian kindly.
Look at those kiwis, Look how nimble they are, Look
how brave they are, look at them pivoting on a dime.
And meanwhile in New Zealand we talk about the nirvana
and the rivers of gold that wait for our young
folk in Australia, and so off they go. So here's
a fact check. In Australia, inflationist still on the charge.
(04:39):
In Australia, the housing crisis is worse than ours. In Australia,
they have three tiers of taxation. In Australia, they have
way more user pays than us. In Australia, their Prime
Minister looks more and more like an out of a
touch ideological lefty than ours. In fact, the only thing
about Australia that I like is the fact that they're bigger.
So if you do well in Australia, will do very well.
(05:01):
But otherwise I know exactly where i'd like to be.
And that is right where I am right now, Dickens.
So we're waiting for the confirmation of Times Person of
the Year. It's going to happen sometime in the next
hour or two. The favorite, Donald Trump. In fact, they're
(05:24):
giving him this is the betting odds give him an
eighty three percent implied probability that he gets Person of
the Year. He's already got it once before, back in
twenty twenty one. You have to say what he did
was pretty remarkable to come back and to win this.
But there's other names on there as well, like Elon Musk.
Now Elon Musk was also named Person of the Year
back in twenty twenty one. He's now ten to one
(05:45):
to do it again. Look at Elon Though. He's got rockets,
he's got cars, he's got batteries on the side of houses,
and he helps Donald Trump get back into power. Didn't
he do more than Donald? Also in there as Kamala Harris,
Kate Middleton has been nominated Princess of Wales for looking
great through cancer. Benjamin Netts and Yahoo's been nominated. Joe
(06:06):
Rogan has been nominated. Mark Zuckerberg, who would you nominate
as person of the Year. You can text me ninety
two ninety two and at number again ninety two ninety two.
Dickinson Newstalks at b dot Co dot M said, you
know you have a good old chat about your clients.
What about that client that you have sold that to? God,
he's a bit weird that one. You do that at
work right? Apparently it's not good. You can get in trouble.
(06:29):
Staff at Immigration in New Zealand got into big trouble.
We'll talk about this with an employment expert next here
on news Talks here b five thirteen.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Get ahead of the headlines.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Andrew Diggins on early edition with Smith City New Zealand's
furniture bids and apply at store News Talks.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It'd be great little protests happening right now in London
as farmers and tractors descend on Westminster. No farmers, no food,
classic absolutely classic, great sites, big old riggs all storming
up there and will keep you in touch with details
as they come to hand. Now staff at Immigration New
Zealand have been sacked or given formal warnings for sending
(07:06):
inappropriate messages about migrants their clients to each other. So
sixteen staff members at several branches were disciplined inappropriately talking
about visa applicants on team chats. And you know team chats,
it's a work software. We've all used that. Employment expert
Max Whitehead joins me now to talk about this other.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Max, good morning, Andrew.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
There's a shocker.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Is it a shocker? I mean hello, I mean everyone
is guilty about gossip being about our clients. These are
just clients. They're talking about stuff they're helping, they're being collegial, Max.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Yes, but one, you're using an employer's tool to make
this disrespectful and could easily bring the employer into disrepute
and has because obviously these people now are in the media.
I mean Andrew Dickinson's talking about them right now.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yes, that's true. So hold on. They made a very
important point because it's because it's on teams that makes
it worse.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
It doesn't make it worse. And look, even if they
made a comment on their own social media like Facebook
or or you know, any one of those TikTok or
anything like that at all, that brings the employer into disrepute.
So if they said something like this is the worst
employer anybody could have, I'm suffering here. That will bring
(08:28):
that will bring on disciplinary action, and it could even
be dismissal. So the employer is required to have a
policy before they can enforce it. If it's not there's
no policy, they should at least give the person a
warning first offense, and then thereafter go after it. But
employers need to be aware that they also have to
be careful of free speech, because people do have an
(08:49):
entitlement to say well what they like to some extent,
but bringing someone into disrepute that particularly your employer, the
employer can be reactive to it, and probably will.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Of course, my social media is full of me criticizing everybody.
You know, so I'm in big trouble, I guess. But
people forget about reputational risk and reputational risks to companies
and reputational risks to individuals and your own brand.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Correct and look more of the higher ranking like look
at you. I'm in the highest ranking person in ZB.
If you made a comment, you would be in worse
trouble than perhaps someone slowly down the line. If I
was just a normal employee who fronted up and did
all the league work, that would have a big, big
ramification for you. Now there's there's a couple of court
(09:36):
cases which are really interesting. One man had road rage
and actually ran over somebody and that made headlines. And
of course, but everyone knew where this person worked. He
had a high profile, and so the employer dismissed him,
even though I had nothing to do with the workplace,
dismissed him for bringing into distribute. Another person on the
(09:58):
birthday cake put something like and I work for the
worst bees in the world. You know, I can't say
the word, but certainly that person on social media and
thought it was funny and wow, gone finished.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
All right, Max, that's a very warning that has Max
Whitehead here is an employment law specialist with white Head Consultants.
And look, here's the thing. Make some rules for yourself
if your employer, please make a rule for your employees too,
so you know, just in case they are having a
bit of a gossip they realize that that's the wrong thing.
Don't just come out of the blue. And remember, termination
is terminal. Can I just say I have skied at
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fucker Papa ski Field since I was five years of
age and I am now sixty one. I have skied
at that place a lot, and it breaks my heart
that it could possibly never be skeied on again. So
we'll update exactly where we're at with all of that
in just a few moments time with the guy who
runs the field. It's nineteen alf to five on your.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with Andrew Dickens
and Smith City, New Zealand's to Bids and a playing Store.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You talk said, be that's good mooing to you.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Despite the fact that Shane Jones said no more money
for ral, Cabinet has approved a five minute endlar bone
for Fucking Papa Holdings limits it to buy RuPay Who's
fucker Papa ski Field? So the loan hangs on Fucker
Papa Holdings getting a concession to run the skifield from
the Department of Conservation. This how could be complete by April,
ready for the twenty twenty five ski season. So Dave
Mayzie as a man trying to hold it all together
(11:25):
and joins me.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Now, Hello, Dave, Hello, Andre, how are you?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I'm very good and obviously I'm a former life pass
owner from nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Mate.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I want this field to go, will it? I wanted
to work?
Speaker 6 (11:39):
No, it'll go it'll work, it will be successful, and
it'll get back to contributing to central North Island economy
in particular and the lifestyle of a lot of Kiwis.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's fuck Papa Holdings in any way related to the
old ral rupey who our plane lifts.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
No, No, I'm the only You're the only one individual
that's got an association with ral from years gone by.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
The government's giving you cash. I mean, do you have
private backers who will step in from April?
Speaker 6 (12:10):
You know, there's a group of investors that come out
of a South Island office which is a cross Church
based investment company and myself the investors.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
If you get.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Approval from the Department of con If you get approval
from Department of Conservation it comes to in April, that
does it give you enough time to be skiing in July.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Well, the receivers will be trading the company up until
that gentleman date and they'll be preparing it for winter.
So yes, we don't have an issue with that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Something I've always asked is if I wondered about is
what's happening to the ski clubs that are on fuck Aparta,
Because there's about forty or fifty of them up there.
I used to belong to Christiania, made of mine, used
to be the president of Tahara Nuku. I mean there's
a lot of infrastructure up there that is dependent on
people being able to ski.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Yeah, and that's that's part of the risks for focker
poper not trading going forwards. There's fifty eyed lodges there.
They're still they're still there. There's still very much as
you will remember, and if the skier is not there
reasonable expectation that those lodges will all all those clubs
(13:24):
will fall over and that sort the next tip five
to ten years and someone's got to pick up the
cost of their removing.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Oh yeah, Now that's the other thing. When when this
field falls over or touro fall falls over, the Department
of Conservation demands that you then have to re establish
the mountain. You're going to take down the kit another
and if you had to take down all the ski
for your kit, that's one hundred million dollars to take
down a holiday kit that does nothing.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Why well, it's a World Heritage site that's sincerely strong
and highly regarded. Attributes to social to look themong or
it's incredibly significant to local EWE. And you don't leave
stranded assets in a national park. When road bridges get
(14:11):
roads get realigned, and a bridge is redundant through a
national park, it gets fully removed in the land restored,
same principle.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
So expensive. And one last question.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
The companies were clubs have gone into receivership or liquidation,
then that that cost falls on dark arter government.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And finally, the Skywalker, which is the gondola, is that
separate to the ski operation? I mean, will that always
continue because it has a sightseeing thing, it has a
restaurant at the top. Is that sort of separated from
the rest of the company and the operation?
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Now that well, it's one of the assets that will
be buy.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
So which means you can operate all year long. Dave, look,
I wish you obviously only the best of black and
we should know this by April, that is five twenty five.
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Speaker 2 (15:02):
At me tired of hearing about the fairies. We've been
talking about fairies all week long. In fact, we've been
talking about them for a year. So we're going to
be talking about fairies. The Herald's headline this morning is
faerry plan light on key details, no kidding, like details
on a boat of wharf in a terminal. Basically that's
everything about about a faery. When Nichola Willis blew up
(15:24):
Kiwi Rail's plan for new fairies a year ago, she
promised a better plan. Is this a better plan? So
they're going to form a new company to buy some fairies.
No news about which fairies, which fairies, what kind of
ferries whatever, They're going to form a new company. That's
two seconds work. Nothing about what's happening port side. Also
an invitation to private industry to come up with a
(15:45):
better solution. So let's review again. No new fairies, no
new ports, no ships ordered, and seemingly no idea that
private industry already provides a service that is Bootbridge. You're
going to say, maybe a private person could come up
with some interest, Why don't you closed down the ferries
and give them all to Bluebridge, Because that's what you
just said, Nikola Wis. Finance Minister Chris Hipkins said this
(16:09):
was an announcement of an announcement. How rich is that
It's exactly what we lampooned him for But is it
an announcement of an announcement. It is rather because you
know they've got to still announce the ferries, the wharves
and the terminal. It was ideological, don't you think the
government came in, saw government spending and this government doesn't
make spending, so they canceled it without thinking about the
(16:29):
long term consequences. It was an ideological These guys are
sounding more and more like the Labor Party every day
when I talk like this. This was not based on
business practice or financial logic. It's not on brand, and
it's harming reputationally. Think about this as a business. They
broke a contract for ships that was a good deal.
Breaking contracts not good puts flag on head. Not to
(16:51):
mention the break free, which some people have say could
be as highest round a mill. Now we have basically
a company owned by the government desperately in the market,
and the providers of new boats or second hand boats
will go, gee, these guys a week, aren't they look
at their week in possession? That desperate for a boat.
Let's sell them this piece of rust. The government just
needs a boat to save their face. Sellers will no
(17:13):
longer be sharpening their pencils, portside costs continue to escalate.
This is a government that prides itself on business acumen
and ability of mergers and acquisitions, and they've given themselves
a weekend going forward. They don't seem to know what
to do and so they're doing nothing and when they
do do something, they won't have a strong position anyway.
We're going to talk to Labor's spokesperson on this fellow
(17:34):
I hadn't heard of before. His name is Tonguey. He's
the Whip. He's going to join us just before six.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
News and Views you trust to start your day.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
It's early edition with Andrew Dickens and Smith City New
Zealand's Furniture Beds and a Flying Store Youth talk Siddy.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Loving the protests in Westminster right now. Farmers are revolting.
No farmers, no foods. They feel they're getting the crunch
from the Labor Party. And look at them. They're dress
and beautiful berbery, magnificent cheese cutter hats. They're looking super country,
looking super fine and they are not happy. So more
details in our news coming up now. Reaction to the fairies,
(18:21):
Andrews says Gavin from Canterbury. The fairies were a bargain.
If they were impossible to use, we could have finished
them and then sold them for a profit. Now we
pay three hundred and fifty million and get nothing. What
a good a point. Somebody else has said, I've got
a new name for the boat if we ever get one.
It's called boti nec.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Save face.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Bumpcha twenty three to six. Core Logics come out with
their highlights of twenty twenty four. Most expensive suburb Hermbay
average three point three six million. Most affordable suburb murder
Para buy a house there average one ninety one thousand,
one hundred ninety one thousand. I'll have to thank you.
Top sale eighty four poud of tie Drive od K
twenty one point eight mil. Highest rent change in Niokoho,
(19:05):
which is in topoor medium rents increased twenty seven point
seven percent Nicoho well Highest rental yield where you make
the most money from your rental Matada in Southern gross
rental yield of ten point eight, followed by Wellington Central
at nine point two. It's twenty two to two six
(19:25):
and around the country you go.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Come.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I'm Proctor and toned a good morning to you.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
Morning Andrew earthquakes.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
You don't think of them in Otago, and now you
don't have to worry about them so much.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Well there's some slightly good news. I supposed for central
Otaga residence. The chance of an earthquake along a western
Otago fault line is now thought to be lower than expected.
This is after a new Otaga University research looked into
the Nevis Kadrona fault to determine just when exactly prehistoric
earthquakes took earthquakes took place along this fault line, and
(19:57):
they've discovered the fault has experienced fewer quakes than initially thought,
one over twelve thousand years ago, another between twenty and
forty thousand years ago. So the lead author's doctor Jack Williams.
He says that this helps him create an insight into
when future earthquakes may happen. He says, despite less frequent
quakes on this fault, people should always though plan.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Ahead exactly and I'm sure it's still going to be
on your building consent anyway. How's your weather.
Speaker 7 (20:22):
Find at first chance for shower later this evening for
Daneeda nor that he's easing the high twenty four today.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
And I thank you. Claire Sherwood joins us now from Crashers, Hello, Claire,
good morning, and environment Canterby' is pushing back against the
Treaty Principal's Bill.
Speaker 8 (20:35):
They certainly are, Andrew. Canterbury Regional Counselors have voted in
favor of a draft submission which is calling for the
bill's abandonment. The draft says the Council's committed to becoming
a Treaty partner of excellence and says the bill would
create both legal and financial uncertainty environment Canterbury Chair Craig
Pauling says it's important council stance is known and it's
(20:57):
not an option to simply sit back and not stand up.
He says he doesn't believe it could inflame the situation
as it provides clarity on where the Council is at
and the potential good stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And how's your weather?
Speaker 9 (21:10):
Fine?
Speaker 8 (21:10):
In price Church aside from a bit of high cloud
northeasterlyas turning northwest later a maximum of twenty.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Seven Okay to Wellington we go where the search for
a gang shooter widens. Max told joins is hell her?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Max?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
What's happening?
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (21:22):
A former a gang president was shot dead on Tuesday,
Albert Knocker of the Rebels. He was targeted, shot in
broad daylight in the middle of the afternoon on a
suburban street in a lower huts nine night. He died
then and there before police could arrive. There had been
some sort of verbal altercation on the street and the shooter,
who police described as a large full facial tattoos about
(21:45):
thirty years old, fled with some associates. There is a
homicide investigation underway, of course. Police want to speak to
anyone around Seddon Street, particularly residents who might have a
front facing security camera on their home. They do have
the plate of the car. They don't think there's a
risk of some sort of gang war erupting. Enoca had
(22:05):
only been released from prison earlier this year.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
And how's your weather?
Speaker 10 (22:10):
Mostly cloudy today with the odd shower twenty the high central.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Neva left to Mane who joined me in studio, had
anva good morning, so kinda airport had a bit of
an it your name, oh Fuba, what.
Speaker 11 (22:21):
A cluster this was yesterday. I mean, when I was
reading this story, you know, in the news yesterday morning,
I thought I am so glad I wasn't flying anywhere
overseas yesterday. I just yes, SPIRA thought for those people.
But yes, so the internet access was cut. This was
for the international check and system, so many airlines they
had to manually check people in until around nine am
they had queues out the door. The airport says that
(22:44):
this issue was in the domain of one of its
network providers now Grant Bradley, he's The Herald's aviation reporter.
He says this fault came up also while the airport
deals with its range of problems, you know, including you know,
of the baggage system. So he says, they're probably maybe
a lot of pointing. There is the stakeholders meet and
they're going to try and figure out how to ensure
that this doesn't happen again, especially as we know Christmas
(23:07):
just around the corner, busy time for the airports. How's
Hawkin's weather periods of heavy rain, localized downpours possible, tending
to showers by evening, thunderstorms possible. We've got it all, Andrew.
But it's still warm. Our high twenty three in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
It is eighteen to six now. Luigi Mangioni, what a
name what a person, what a story. I mean, he
was a valedictorian.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
He was.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
He came from really good stock, you know, and then
somehow he went a bit crazy and decided to wage
war on corporate America. Luigi Mangioni is also a very
entertaining name to saying. The only Mangioni I know is
Chuck who played a flugel horn. Remember Chuck Mangioni and
feels so good. Anyway, what is the latest on Luigi Mangioni?
(23:45):
Fascinating story. Cape Fisher is with US.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Next international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
As Cape Fisher joins US from Washington, DC. Hellyicate, Hello,
what what's the latest with Luigi Mangioni.
Speaker 9 (24:04):
Well, yeah, he has He's in jail in Pennsylvania at
the moment. He has been charged in New York with
the assassination of the United Healthcare insurance boss Brian Thompson.
But he has a fighting extradition. He appeared in court
yesterday in Pennsylvania and he refused to be extradited with
(24:28):
his giving his consent to do so, and so he
was denied bail, which means he remains in jail in
Pennsylvania while the legal ramifications are sorted out in trying
to get him extracited to New York. He's going to
be going, It's just going to take a lot longer
because he is refusing to cooperate. We have also found
(24:50):
out reporting here saying that a notebook was found on him,
which in which he described or the notebook, the writing
in the notebook described going to a common and killing
an executive. Quote, what do you do? You whack the
CEO at the annual parasitic being counter convention. It's targeted,
precise and doesn't risk innocence.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So the fact that the United Healthcare boss and the
fact that he assassinated him, there wasn't any any personal beef.
That was just because he exists.
Speaker 9 (25:21):
Well, yeah, he's the fact he allegedly did. So, yeah,
it's his manifesto. Police are suggesting as it is such
as it is, is that he was fed up with
corporate America and that he wanted to make an example of,
you know, of trying to make a statement, if you like,
by doing something that would bring down one of these
(25:45):
chief executives. It doesn't suggest in any of the writings
that has certainly been reported on so far that there
was a personal issue with United Healthcare. It was more
of a general issue with the whole of corporate America.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
So mister Thompson was just in the wrong at the
wrong time. It's a tragedy, it's a horrific crime. We've
got fires in Malibu, and you know it's serious. The
celebrities are evacuating.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
That's right. Dick Van Dyke, who was in of course
Mary Poppins and musicians share or among thousands of people
who've been told to leave their homes in Malibu after
this really fast moving wildfire broke out. It's burning acres
of this area, and it's a very wealthy area. Lots
of very rich people and stars lived there. Were also
(26:33):
told that people like Barbara Streisan, Jay Z, and Beyonce
Lady Gaga all have homes in the evacuation zone, although
we don't know whether they've been forced to leave or
even if they are in those homes at the moment.
But yeah, lots of residents having to leave, a vast
wave of California under fire, and this of course is
(26:55):
becoming a regular annual event in California.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, absolutely thanks so much. Cake Fisher out of Washington, DC,
and those guys who are being evacuated. Also the news
jay Z who's in diddy Gate right now, and Beyonce
Dick van Dyke who's starring in the latest Cold Played
video which is well worth the look. And he's ninety
nine almost one hundred and Share who's just written a
new book. And Share who, by the way, will be
on the Breakfast Show shortly. I don't think I'm giving
(27:21):
you anything away, but Share. What a story, what a person?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
It is twelve to six Andrew dickens.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
As a story on everybody's lips. It is the Fairy.
The long awaited ferry announcement from the government came yesterday. However,
there's still plenty of unanswered questions. There are going to
be two new fairies, but the government won't say they
how much they will cost, or whether the rare fairies
will be rail enabled. A new Crown Company will be
established to have the new Fairies ready to begin service
(27:48):
by twenty twenty nine. And Tonguey Tickety joining me right now.
He is a spokesperson for Transport and Labour's Chief Whip. Hello,
this is a Christmas gift. For you, isn't it tongy?
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Good morning, Andrew.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
Well, I think this whole saga has been ongoing and
yesterday's announcement was extremely disappointing. It's rather underwhelming, and this
has been the sort of mainstay for Nikolaullis since she's
been in the Captain's chair around this particular issue of
the fairies.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
What is underwhelming about this deal, Well, the issue.
Speaker 12 (28:19):
Is that nothing really was announced yesterday with an announcement
of an announcement. What we've learned is that Kiwis will
need to wait longer for the fairies when they do arrive.
It was meant to be twenty twenty six under the
former government. Now we'll have to wait until at least
twenty twenty nine. There'll be smaller boats that are likely
to be rail enabled, which will have huge implications for
(28:40):
the main trunk line between the North and South Island,
and fundamentally they will also end up costing much much more.
That is not a deal that Kiwis deserve.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Could you please explain the difference between ray rail enabled
and rail compatible and no rail at all? I mean,
what is the difference? Is rail enable is one roll
on roll off or not you know.
Speaker 12 (29:06):
Yeah, So rail enabled is what we currently have within
the inter round a fleet for one of the three ferries,
and it means that basically freight can simply go on
a train straight onto the ship at one end and
then come straight off again at the other. Rail compatible
means that they have to basically offload the freight onto
another vehicle to get it onto the ferry and then
(29:28):
at the other end do the same. So it is
a sense of double handling. Now that adds additional cost
to freight costs and who will carry that It will
be the consumer that will carry it, but also the
additional time it's around about three an extra three hours
on a return journey to basically double handle, which will
mean that you know, the faeries can't can't run as much.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Thank you, thank you. National says their project will be
cheaper than yours or the one that you were overseeing
or the one that you were in charge of or
mir key we Rail was running the whole thing. Will
they have one if the project does come out cheaper, well, at.
Speaker 12 (30:04):
Won't come out cheaper. I mean already there's nearly half
a billion dollars in sunk costs. The cancelation fee, which
will be upwards north of three hundred million. We still
don't know what that is and they're still negotiating that
well into next year. The actual cost of the series
on top of that, the addition will increase, and maintenance
of the fleet that now has to continue to run
through to twenty twenty nine, and then of course the
(30:26):
port side developments which they are pushing that cost on
to rate payers and others. So this actual envelope will
continue to skyrocket, and they didn't give us any indication
as to what that final figure would look like yesterday
as part of the announcement Eiver.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Tell you ty Kevy, I, thank you so much for
your time today, tann you Ti Kelly, chief Whip and
also Labour's transport spokesperson. And somebody saying, well, is that
a bias commentator. Yes, he's from labor that's his point
of view. We've found out what Labour's point of view is.
We heard yesterday what National's point of view is, and
you're going to hear about everybody's point of view over
the course of the next day. That's called cabin seeing
all sides. That's called the media, that's called us story.
(31:03):
It is a minister six and am I too early
for this?
Speaker 9 (31:07):
Am?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Is Heather ready? Is Heather ready?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Heather?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Are you ready? We'll find out well, I'll do a
name break.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Andrew Dickens, on early edition with Smith City, New Zealand's
furniture Beds and applying store news talk, saidby.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I've got a few texts about the shooter in America.
Someone rightes, Oh, this is Paul, it says to me,
So Andrew, he was fed up with corporate America but
was caught eating at McDonald's. Yes, Paul irony is rich.
Other people are complaining about the fact they used his name.
He's a shooter, he's a murderer, alleged. But you know
we all saw the video. So I will not name
(31:41):
the man anymore, even though his name. Come on, get it,
come offis louis so nice to say?
Speaker 13 (31:46):
Why are we doing that thing? Where if we pretend
that if some of us don't say the name, somehow
what he doesn't exist anymo.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Know you also have to click your heels three times.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
It's bizarre.
Speaker 13 (31:58):
You just send it to that about the Christian shoot
it and arm.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
And another text Andrew, these are ships, not boats. Stop
saying boats. Ships are bigger, better and also more expensive,
and that's good. That's good for you as well.
Speaker 13 (32:09):
Yes, vessels, vessels, vessels, So that I sound like I
know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
So everyone's talking about the fairies.
Speaker 13 (32:15):
Yeah, well, that's an unfortunate decision there yesterday, wasn't it.
I mean, that was incredibly embarrassing. So we'll have a
little bit of a chat about that. I don't know
if you've caught this, but it's been reported on zeb
that what's actually happened as Nichola has signed it has
hammered out a deal anyway. So she's got a couple
of fairies she wants to buy about two hundred meters long,
nine hundred million bucks, and Winnie Pee wants to be
(32:36):
able to better that. That seems to be what's going on.
So he's going to go out and stand.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
So it's like he wants to play a better hands.
But the funny thing is he's also got a hand
already in the bush, so to speak, so that if
he can't find the better hand, he cans talk about
and go, look, I have these fairies, and Nicola will
just sit there going, well, I gave him to you,
and but you know, we're all sweet and happy here.
Speaker 13 (32:54):
He wins either way, right, he wins either way, and
it's all bad for bets.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
But then they go through all this period today and
were and last night where everyone's going they're useless. Announced
another an announcement.
Speaker 13 (33:04):
Yeah, but it's a couple of weeks before Christmas, so
it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter too much.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Right, Please tell me you're going to talk about something
other than fairy sorry ships.
Speaker 13 (33:12):
See, the Saudi Arabians have just been announced as the
host country for the People World Cups. That's gonna flip
some lids, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
It is rather and we came in and Elliott was
talking about it, and then Elliott just casually says, I
don't think they're going to get the Women's World Cup.
Speaker 13 (33:25):
So I did a Google search. If I was to
go in twenty thirty four for whatever reason and watch
the football World Cup in Saudi Arabia, I don't have
to wear a burker, So it's okay for the women.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
If you were playing in a Women's World Cup, would
you have to play on the field?
Speaker 13 (33:38):
In the booker God, so he knows it's never gonna happen.
They don't want us ladies running around on a field anyway.
We've got a better things to do, like be in
the kitchen.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Oh yeah, of course. But look it just shows in
money Rules, Money rules, and guess where the next America's
Cup is going to be? Money rules, Money rules, money rules,
and times Person of the Year is announced at some
stage this morning?
Speaker 13 (33:56):
Is it this morning?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think so Thursday? The Thursday I was saying, so cool,
So here we go.
Speaker 13 (34:01):
Obviously going to be Kate, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
It's Kate or Bebe or no? No. Apparently Donald's eighty
three percent probable according to the betting agencies. Anyway, my
thanks to Leo the producer. I'm Andrew Dickins to you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
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