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August 15, 2024 34 mins

On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast for Friday the 16th of August, Kim Dotcom's extradition order has been signed by the Justice Minister, can he fight it? Former law professor Bill Hodge joins the show to give his thoughts. 

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon is meeting with his Australian counterpart today. Geoffrey Miller talks to Ryan about what could be on the agenda. 

Is it redemption time for the All Blacks? They face Argentina in Auckland on Saturday, a week on from their shock loss in Wellington. Newstalk ZB Rugby Commentator Elliott Smith speaks to Ryan ahead of the game. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the inside. Ryan Bridge new
for twenty twenty four on the Early Edition with Smith City,
New Zealand's furniture beds and a play at store news Dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
It'd be good morning. It is six after five. Welcome
to your Friday morning edition of Early Edition. Great to
be with you. Coming up on the show, Kim dot
Com is being extradited to the United States, or as
he do. We believe that. Bill Hodge just before six
Luxeon's warning for all of us in his Foreign Affairs speech.
Jeffrey Miller on that shortly, Alex Smith's here with the abs.

(00:37):
Are they going to win? Tomorrow night at Vincent Macamhoney
Out of the UK.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
The agenda.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
It is Friday, the sixteenth of August. Almost one hundred
and forty of Australia's Liberal Party candidates have been left
off the New South Wales local election ballot after the
party missed the entry deadline.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
If you don't think you've got enough resources, then you
put on more resources, including volunteers. And if still I
think you've got enough to run a centralized process, you
tell the candidates that they need to lodge their nominations themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
There was the party leader Mark Speakman to Man Speaking,
the party director says he has being more focused on
the federal election and has blamed the liberal state president
for the era. North Korea is set to reopen for
tourists after an almost five year pause due to the pandemic.
Two China based tour companies have announced the reopening, saying

(01:26):
the city of sammergyon Will on the border with China,
will be open from December. Their plans to majorly upgrade
the city for tourists, including rebuilding the airport and turning
a military ski base into a resort. Back here, the
Grocery Commissioner has laid out new expectations for supermarkets. Pier

(01:48):
van Heerden has written to foodstuffs in Woolworth's requesting they
review and amend their refund policies. He's also calling on
them to prominently promote house shoppers can refund items. Van
he says it'll motivate shoppers to come forward with pricing issues.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Lit to the twenty five billion dollar industry that's very
profitable and only a very small error rate on that
can lead to teams of millions of dollars out of
Kiwi's pockets every year.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Get ahead of the headlines. Ryan Bridge you for twenty
twenty four on early edition with Smith City, New Zealand
Furniture Beds and a player store news talk.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Zi'd be I'm just listening to that. Am I hearing
this right? He's basically saying he wants a sign at
the checkout telling you how to get a refund. This
is the this is the revolutionary response from our grocery commissioner.
And I tried to find out this morning how much
he's paid, because I thought, if you're coming up with
recommendations like that, how much are we paying? You must

(02:49):
be at least a couple of hundred thousand dollars, I
would think. Anyway, very hard to find that information. There
was an OAA that was done that was publicly released,
and it said that his salary would be set by
the Remuneration Authority. You go to the Remunerational Authority website,
they say check the Public Service Commission website. You go
to the Public Service Commission website. They give you a link,

(03:11):
what is it saying, page not found. So there you go,
no idea what he's paid, but everybody knows if you
want a refund or you've got an issue at the
grocery store, you go to the chief checkout lady who's
standing there. You know, they have that little booth in
the middle of the checkouts. She's always busy. She would

(03:33):
be looking down or he looking down at doing something,
you know, not really wanting to deal with you. But
everybody knows that's where you go if you want a refund.
Come on, it's not rocket science people. Nine after five.

(03:54):
This is developing news this morning. Five people have been
arrested in connection. There's a press conference happening right now.
Five people arrested over the death of Matthew Perry, the
Friends actor. He had ketymine in his system. Remember he
was found in the spa pool. He was taking the
illegal drug keddyming as part of supervised therapy. And get this,

(04:16):
They've arrested two doctors. Apparently he was he paying them
fifty five thousand dollars in cash. This is all being
alleged and right now happening in a press commerce. We'll
have the audio for you shortly fifty five thousand dollars
in cash and they were doctors and they were helping
to supply and medicate him with kettymine. Ten after five,

(04:39):
back with Jeffrey Miller in a.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Second News and Views you trust to start your day.
It's early edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New
Zealand's Furniture Beds and a flying store News Talk, zai'd.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Be thirteen after five. Good morning to you. The us
I said promise this, yes today. The retail sales data
was out yesterday, so we had the CPI and that
was good. The Fed could cut rates and overnight we've
had It's the world's biggest economy. That's why we're paying attention.
Retail sales were up one percent last month, which is good,

(05:16):
and it's beating forecasts, which means the risk of recession
is down. Stocks are up. And it's also potentially good
for Kamala Harris because Trump is going to have an
even harder time attacking her on the economy when consumer
confidence is on the rise. I would have thought thirteen
minutes after five on news Talk, se'd.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Be Crayon Bridge.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Right now. Luxon is going well. Not right now, but
later today. Luxan is going to meet with Albanzi in Canberra.
The topics, the usual suspects ORCUS, the refugee deal, the
economy and the five oh ones. We've raised it, and
certainly at the last meeting, and we certainly have raised
it subsequences the change to the ministerial directive that's been
announced here domestically.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
I will continue to advocate very strong for it.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Jeffrey Miller is an international geopolitical analysties with us this morning. Jeffrey,
good morning, Good morning Ryan. The Aussies have changed their
mind on the five oh one thing twice already. Do
you reckon Luxon can make it a third?

Speaker 6 (06:13):
I don't think so.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
I don't think he's going to make much headway with
Anthony Albanzi on this. The government over there has been
under a lot of pressure from the opposition to take
a more hardline stance, and they actually changed their immigration
minister a few weeks ago. So they've now got someone
who's from the right of the party, Tony Burke, who's
the minister over there. And I think he's going to

(06:35):
deport New Zealanders if and when he wants to. And
so I don't think Christoph Luxlin is really going to
make much progress there. And he hinted it that last
night when he spoke to the Lower Institute in Sydney
and the Q and A. He basically said that they
were going to agree to disagree on this issue, but
he would continue to voice New Zealand's displeasure. And I
think that's perhaps all he really can do, and he

(06:57):
can simply hope that while Australia might engage a lot
of tough talk on this issue, they might show a
bit of pragmatism towards New Zealand, given that Christopher Luxon
is really seeking to align himself with Australia quite strongly
on wider foreign policy issues.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, they've also got an election coming up, right, They're
hardly they're hardly going to bend over to us right
before they've got an election. As you say, just change
the immigration minister. That speech you mentioned at the Low Institute,
he said, this is Luxeon, this big first foreign affairs
outing that we are deliberately deepening our relationship with Five
Eyes partners. Is that a bad thing?

Speaker 7 (07:33):
Well, look, it was a very hawkish speech that he
gave last night, and the Q and A it was
also very revealing. He said that he wanted New Zealand
to be a force multiplier for Australia and he called
the independent foreign policy approach that New Zenand has taken
for the last four decades almost he called that a nonsense.
So it was very very strong, he said. He was
very very aligned with Anthony Albanezi. And yes, I mean

(07:57):
it was very clear what the direction of travel is
going to be under Christopher Luxe and I think it
will be music to camp for his ears, music to
answer in the Albanese's ears. But it could put New
Zealand on a collision course with.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
China, he said. New Zealand does sometimes perceive themselves as
buffered by splendid isolation, but there is no opting out
from today's strategic realities. The world is getting more difficult
and more complex, particularly so for those smaller states navigating
increasingly stormy seas. New Zealand two must be a participant
and a contributor, not an interested bystander. Does he have

(08:29):
a point?

Speaker 7 (08:32):
Look, I think New Zealand should be more involved in
the world. But it's exactly how you do it is
the question. And Christopher Luxem's recipe seems to be to
be taking a much more hawkous stance, to be aligning
itself and to be aligning New Zealand very much with
Five Eyes partners. Like Australia, like the United States, and
that's the line was heard very consistently from Winston Peters,

(08:53):
the Foreign Minister, over the last nine months. But it
will represent quite a sea change for New Zealand's foreigner
to be moving away from the independent foreign policy towards
their becoming a de facto alliance member again in the
Western Alliance. He said that New Zealand's continuing to explore orcers.
It sounds like decisions are being put on hold pending

(09:14):
the outcome of the US elections in November, but it's
very much still in the mix where the New Zealand
joins Ucer's pillar too. We've been told that for for
quite some time, but I think it is coming, some
of these book decisions, and it really will be quite
a change to New Zealand's foreign policy positioning well.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
And the way he's talking, I mean, you feel like
you're being bartered up for it, almost, don't you. Jeffrey,
Thank you very much for your time and your analysis
this morning. Jeffrey Miller, international geopolitical analyst luxon meeting with
Albanezi in Canberra today. He was in Sydney yesterday. Great
text from Mitch this is on the Grocery Commissioner saying

(09:51):
that supermarkets should have signs that tell you how to
get a refund. Don't we all know where to go? Hi, Ryan,
I've never had a problem with countdown for any issues,
a replacement and a refund with a smile. Don't get
me started on food stuffs. They just fob you off
like chop liver and say they will change the signage.
They could do with some education, Thanks Mitch. It is

(10:12):
eighteen after five.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Ryan Bridge you for twenty twenty four on early edition
with Smith City, New Zealand's furniture beds and a playing store.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
News Talk ZIB five twenty on news Talk zaid, be
great to have you listening this morning. Nine two nine two.
The number to text Kim dot com. It will almost
certainly be deported to the US. Goldsmith. This is Justice
Minister Paul Goldsmith has signed his extradition order. We've got
Bill Hodge on this just before six o'clock this morning.
For those who don't know Kim dot com, big German

(10:42):
guy black zip up hoodie. Can't miss him driving a
Bentley based down in Queenstown. Anyway. He's likely to be
extra dieted. But they've been saying that for years and years.
So Bill Hodge will tell us whether it's actually going
to happen. But I looked up so apparently could get
twenty years in jail if he's extradited and found guilty

(11:02):
after his trial in the US. Could get twenty years jail.
Guess how Oldkim dot Com is? Fifty? For some reason,
I thought he was younger than that. Doesn't have many wrinkles,
does he fifty? So fifty plus twenty equals seventy? So
your best years are behind you, aren't they? Twenty one

(11:22):
minutes after five, Ryan Bridge, Right, it's a big game
for the All Blacks tomorrow night as they face Argentina
at Eden Park, a week on from losing thirty eight
thirty to them in Wellington. Coach Scott Robinson has made
some major changes Elliott Smith's news talks. They'd be rugby
commentators with us. Elliott, good morning, Good.

Speaker 8 (11:38):
Morning, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Who's going to win?

Speaker 9 (11:41):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (11:42):
Look, I think the All Blacks need to bounce back
and they traditionally have again Sargentina and the two Times
have lost to them previously in twenty twenty and twenty
twenty two. They've come out and put a response out
the following week, won by thirty eight points in twenty
twenty and then by forty seven in twenty twenty two.
Necessarily mean it's going to happen tomorrow night, But you

(12:02):
would hope there was some form of response from the
All Blacks because last week they were ponderous at times
on attack. The defense wasn't up to scratch. So they
really need to improve tomorrow night and deliver some of
those things that have been talking about, both of the
coaching group and the players that have laid out a
platform for at the start of the season that we
probably just haven't seen to this point in timeline.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, losing is not something that Scott Roberts has done
a lot of in recent years. How's he doing? How's
he you know? I mean, I know it's only only
one game that he's lost, but you know, how's he fearing?

Speaker 6 (12:37):
Well?

Speaker 8 (12:37):
I think this week has been a bit of reality
check for him in terms of international rugby. Got through
the first three games of a campaign and they look
those two games against England were pretty tricky ones and
they managed to get out on the right side of
the ledger. It was thought maybe Argentina. Those games give
you a chance to build on your platform and start
to develop the game plan that they've been playing. But
actually it was a huge step back last week with

(12:59):
the four. It's not really clicking into gear ponderous stuff
from the back. So look, he's vowed this week that
he's you know, dug over under every rock and tried
to find answers this week to get the game plan going.
But that starts with him at the top. And as
you said, he's made a few changes to the side
for this week, but he has to demand the All
Blacks be better. He said earlier on in the week

(13:22):
that you know whether he's doubt of the dumps and
the players will reflect that as well. So he's tried
to maintain somewhat of a positive attitude walls of trying
to find the answers as to what went wrong last
Saturday and then rebuild the team and get them into
action for tomorrow night and in a style that will
get them across the line and with.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
The victory, is it going to rain? I only ask
because I'm going I.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
Believe it is right. I look at the forecast and
it's a gests that it's going to rain all day
tomorrow in Auckland, which again we'll post some issues for
the All Blacks. Look, I expect a lot more kicking
from the All Blacks that need to be smarter with
that stuff than they were last week in Wellington. At
times they're kicking looked a lot quite aimless at times,
so they needs to be better. If that foot Argentina
under pressure, but I don't expect it to be a

(14:06):
free flowing game necessary for the All Blacks. And they're
going to have to be a lot tidier with ball
and hands than they were at sky Stadium. And the
conditions were quite still, unusually for Wellington, and the weather
was good. So yeah, that can rain jackets tomorrow evening,
Ryan and hopefully you remain dry.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Thanks Elliot Elliott Smith News Talks. There'd be rugby commentator thankfully.
A friend of mine has invited me to a sort
of a lounge area, so I think I'll be undercover.
But producer Leo, you're out in the rain, aren't you. Yeah? Yeah,
enjoy that. Hey, Kim dot com has tweeted. He says
in one tweet, this is all. This is the full tweet.
I'll read it for you I love New Zealand. I'm

(14:46):
not leaving with a kiss emoji. Second one links an
article about his extradition and he says, Oops, don't worry,
I have a plan. So there you go. Bill Hodg
on that just before six this morning, twenty five after
five the.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
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Speaker 2 (15:06):
There's a reason politicians can't agree on much of anything.
Luxeon's in Australia at the moment. He's on an infrastructure
whistle stop tour. The question why are we so bad?
And they the Aussies, seemingly so much better at doing it.
There are many reasons, like public private partnerships user pays.
In New South Wales, they've used asset sales to fund

(15:27):
this stuff. But it's also crucially bipart as an agreement
on what to build. Luxon says that the NATS and
labor need consensus on what projects will get cash.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
The challenge in New Zealander is you get a change
in political cycle or economic cycle and you get on off,
on off, on off, and nothing's happening.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
So the construction industry they need to know the pipeline
of work that's in front of them, or it's not
going to be viable. You know, the roads of national significance.
They were on and then they're off, and they're on
and then they're off. And another example this week energy
resources altered on this show called for bipartis an agreement
on oil and gas exploration. Sorry it was actually last week.

(16:08):
I think you said that on Friday, you know, to
help business invest and plan to avoid an energy crisis.
But here's the thing, it's not going to happen in
either case, which sucks because it's us, the voters that
ultimately pay the price in electricity prices or traffic. The reason, well,
our political system is based on the Westminster model, which

(16:29):
is purposely adversarial. We encourage competition. We literally have an
opposition party to oppose the government. It's set up to
fail when it comes to agreement. So I won't behold
of my breath for our parliamentarians to suddenly start singing
from the same song sheet twenty eight after five grayan

(16:50):
Bridge lots more to convince a Macaviney out of the UK.
British supplied tanks US are being used by Ukraine and
their incursion into Russia. So we'll ask what the response
from the Brits is on that. Also, Taylor Swift has
arrived there for her concert, and just before six, Kim
dot Com potentially if he goes, if he's extradited, goes

(17:15):
to jail. Could be seventy And I mentioned earlier that
you get wrinkles when you're fifty. Jody's taken exception to that.
Good morning, Ryan, you don't get wrinkles as soon as
you hit fifty. I'm nearly fifty two and I still
feel young, Jody. There's a difference between feeling young and
looking young. Look I can't see you, so I can't judge.

(17:36):
Twenty on after five, The.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
News you Need this Morning and the in depth analysis
Early Edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's
Furniture Beds and a flying store.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
News Talk said, be.

Speaker 10 (17:55):
Out me, good morning, Welcome to your Friday edition of
Early Edition.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Great to have your company. It is twenty four minutes
away from six o'clock. We're going to get to the
Kim dot Com story. Just before six, also over to
the UK with Vincent mcavinie interested in the British supplying
tanks that have been used to get the Ukrainians into Russia.
What do they think about that? Right now, the big

(18:27):
story of the week here in New Zealand was the
meth lollies. It made headlines around the world, and you've
got to feel for the volunteers largely who are giving
these parcels out, but just really rough back of the
envelope maths. So they set up to up to four
hundred families that received the packs, and the packs of
lollies I had to look like they've got about thirty

(18:49):
dollies in each, So you do some little mass and
at the worst case scenario, that's eight thousand lollies. That's
two point four million doses of meth past each lolly
based on twenty nineteen street prices would be worth fifteen
hundred dollars. No wonder that someone was trying to sell
one on trade me on Facebook marketplace. I think it was.

(19:12):
I don't know whether that was someone taking the mickey
or whether it was a serious thing. But there you go,
very very sad, and thankfully no one has died, is
all you can say. Twenty two away from six Brech,
I'm we're going to callen propor in Dunedin as we
checking with our reporters around the country column. The Dunedin
mayor is drumming up the idea of a music festival there. Yeah,

(19:35):
morning Ryan.

Speaker 11 (19:35):
This comes in the wake of the death of The
Chills frontman Martin Phillips, whose funeral was in Dunedan.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Here last Friday, our met Jills.

Speaker 11 (19:43):
Raddick's now suggesting the idea of a Dunedin Sound type festival,
and he's raised this during a discussion about festivals and
events at the City Council this week. Raddick wants an
event where local bands and artists come together to celebrate
the music of the Chills and other D'nedan bands that
emerged in the seventies and eighties nine as the Dnevan Sound.

(20:03):
He says it's an idea he's had for a while
now and he hopes to make it a reality in
the next year.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think it's a brilliant idea. How's it with them?

Speaker 11 (20:10):
Most of the cloudy We've got shews that are clear
by this evening, sol west breezes and eleven today.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Thanks Colem Claire Sherwoods and christ Church is the live
golf to a coming your way clear.

Speaker 12 (20:21):
Could be Ryan, and things are moving fast with us
as well. We're told this could happen as early as
the new year, and that's according to those here in
our newsroom. It is a very high profile tournament. This
is the one that launched in twenty twenty one and
has made huge signings with big multimillion dollar deals, attracting
the likes of Brooks Kepka, Dustin Johnson, even Phil Mickelson,

(20:42):
among others. It would be held if it comes here
at the christ Church Golf Club, which is New Zealand's
second oldest, But as you may have heard in the
news there, the general manager, Mike Hadley's confirmed that yes,
live golf officials have visited the course, but as yet
there's been no follow up. Key we Golfing legends to
Bob Charles, though, was one who's emerging as an early
opponent to the idea. He's told our newsroom he doesn't

(21:04):
endorse it. In fact, he wouldn't walk across the road
to watch it house. The weather, they're clear, apparently cloudy
with some isolated morning showers. Light when's northeast breezes later today,
the high at thirteenth.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Enjoy your Friday morning. Clear, Max Holes and Wellington Max.
Before we get to your yarn. You're a golfer, what
do you think of the golf to.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
Look?

Speaker 5 (21:26):
I mean purists will always favor the PGA tour. But
if a tour would have come to christ Church and
you've got John Raham coming, Bryce and Deschambeau some of
the big names, Sergio, I say, Phil Micholson, it'd be
hard to turn down.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
I'd be probably flying down for it. You're not a
purist then, obviously, Max completely tell us about the TOPAPA chargers.
No more free entry for some.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, interesting one not for international visitors. At Tipapa. From
mid September, the museum introducing quite a hefty fee for
non residents. Tourists will have to shell out thirty five
dollars a ticket just to get into Tibaba. It is
judi rising costs there. What's interesting though, there's no real
way of policing.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
It to see.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
Courtney Johnson says it'll be a high trust model with
visitors having to self identify their nationality of their visitor
status feels a little scamy. Johnston says most international visitors
currently don't realize it's free and often asked where they
can buy a ticket.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
That sounds like it's set up to fail. What are
they going to do like an accent test. Well, I'm kowei,
I'm not German. Oh left me in. Good luck with that.
Thirty five dollars is quite steep too, although the earthquake
House is good to visit. Max, thank you, you're you're
with it today?

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Sorry and well you're mostly cloudy northerlyas fourteen the High Central.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Brilliant, Thank you, Windy, Petris and Aukland, good morning, good
to see you. What are these? Oh? When can I
buy alcohol? That's the most important question. It's Friday.

Speaker 13 (22:56):
Well, because you're getting up so early, I think this
will probably be okay for you because at nine o'clock
it could be in place. A liquor ban tougher laws
alcohol laws for Aucklanders, including banning sales and supermarkets and
liquor stores after nine pm. These could be in place
by December. The council designed the local Alcohol Policy, aiming
to reduce alcohol harm, and will come up to council

(23:18):
vote in the end of the month. Policy would also
see a two year ban on new bottle stores in
the city and twenty three other areas. Sports clubs and
RSAs would also have to stop selling after one am,
while bars and other on licenses would have to stop
at four am, and the CBD and three am everywhere else.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
That doesn't sound too bad, doesn't And if you need more,
you just buy more earlier.

Speaker 13 (23:41):
You think ahead.

Speaker 14 (23:42):
We all need to think of head plan.

Speaker 13 (23:44):
How's the weather today, Well, it's a mostly cloudy day,
which I always think must mean some fine spells, with
a few showers around northwesterlies a high of seventeen degrees.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
We'll be looking for those fine spells. Thank you. Wendy
Pittrey with us this morning. It is eighteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
On your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with
Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture Beds and
a playing Store, News Talk zid Be.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
It's called it to Sex. It's Friday morning. Great to
have your company. We're going a Vincent mcavinie in the
UK in just a few seconds, but very quickly. Matthew Perry,
the Friends actor who died He had ketamine in his system.
He was found dead in his spa pool while five people.
An update on the case. Five people have been arrested
in relation to this death, including two doctors. Apparently he

(24:33):
was being supplied with doses of ketamine and authorities of
how to press conference in the last few minutes.

Speaker 15 (24:42):
Defendant Placentia was a medical doctor. He worked with another
medical doctor, defendant Mark Chavez, to obtain kedemine. He then
worked with mister Perry's live in assistant, Defendant Kenneth Iwamasa,
distribute that ketamine to mister Perry.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
International correspondence with insign Eye Insurance Peace of Mind for
New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Vinton Mechavin is with US say U Can and Europe
Correspondent Vincent. The British supplied tanks are being used by
Ukraine to get into Russia.

Speaker 9 (25:19):
Good morning, Yeah, that's right, This Ukrainian bold mission into
Russia seizing much territory in the neighboring regions. So far,
it's being discovered that Challenger two tanks provided by the
British government by the British military are being used as
part of that incursion, and that's been confirmed by military sources.

Speaker 8 (25:39):
Now.

Speaker 9 (25:40):
The rules that Britain had placed on Ukraine was that
all but a certain kind of long range mission missile
could be used against Russia and fired into Russia if needed.
There were no restrictions really put on the use of
these tanks. Although it has been such a bold move,
you wonder whether or not they ever contemplated that you

(26:00):
might reverse invade Russia in this maneuver. And there's much
sort of skepticism about what's going on, some military sources
saying that, you know, potentially the Russian army is slow,
but when it does move, it can come in with
huge force, and whether this actually will weaken Ukraine if
it has been too bold and move, or some saying
that actually, if the endgame now is to ender negotiations,

(26:21):
it helps Ukraine to be in control of some Russian
territory with some Russian captives prisoners of war that they
can then bring to the bargaining table.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Is there a moral dilimma here at all? You know,
the WIST has been arguing that you shouldn't invade sovereign
nations and then they're supplying tanks to do just that.
Is has the British government responding are they okay with
the tanks being used to go into Russia?

Speaker 9 (26:45):
The European response has been pretty much you do you,
I mean, it's very much. You know, you were the
subject of an invasion and you were within your rights
to do this. Back there hasn't been any real criticism.
I think there's been not glee, but I think it's
I mean, it's taken Europe by surprise, but I think
they are pleased to see Vladimir Putin very much on
the backbook. This is the largest invasion of Russia since

(27:07):
the Second World War and it highlights the folly and
I think that's the way it is being portrayed, the
absolute folly that Vladimir Putin has had, the embarrassment that
their armed forces have had. You know, it was meant
to be a few days special operation. Here we are
two and a half years later and Russia is now
the one being invaded.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah. Absolutely, it's pants down embarrassing for Putin, no doubt
about it. Thank you so much for that, Vincent mcavinie.
With us out of the UK, we didn't quite get
to Taylor Swift, but the Wembley Stadium event is going
ahead and Taylor Swift has landed. The swiftly has landed
in London. It is twelve away from six. Ryan bridge

(27:44):
Chin dot Com is back in the news and it
looks like this time he may be on his way
to the United States extradited Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith has
signed the order for him to leave. Does that mean
he'll actually go? Dot Com made his fortune from file
sharing website mega upload, which was often used to share
pirated movies and movies and music. He moved to New

(28:07):
Zealand and twenty ten and was pursued by the US government.
Bill Hodge's former Auckland University law professor Bill good Morning.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
Good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Is this actually going to happen? Because we've been told
for twelve years now that it is.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
There has always been until now, another appeal. He's gone
through the District Court, he's gone through the High Court,
he's gone through the Court of Appeal, he's gone through
the Supreme Court. He can't go to the Privy Council.
That's one option he doesn't have. But yes, there is
one more step. I'll call it an ultimate step, but

(28:42):
it's not an appeal. You use the word appeal to
go from one court to the higher court. But this
has been an executive decision. This is a decision of
the minister, final ticking of the box. And when you
challenge an appeal, a challenge a decision of an executive
the minister. That's called a review. So he will be

(29:05):
going to the High Court for judicial review of the
minister's decision. And it has to be not outrageously irrational
and unreasonable. And the Minister is going to be looking
at the terms in the statute, and well the court
will be looking at his looking at it. They'll be
looking over his shoulder. And is dot Com going to

(29:27):
be subject to the death penalty over there? No? Is
he going to be tortured over there?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
No?

Speaker 6 (29:33):
Is he being persecuted because of his religion, because of
his nationality, because of his gender.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
No.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
Ultimately it comes down to this question for the minister,
are there compelling or extraordinary circumstances, including age and health
age or health, that would make it unjust or oppressive
to surrender Kim dot Com to the Americans? That is
the test that Goldsmith. Minister Goldsmith applied and a court

(30:03):
will look over his shoulder and say, was that a
reasonable decision?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
So, in other words, Kim dot Com has one life lift,
but it's not looking good for him. How long could
that take? And you know, when could we actually see
him extradited?

Speaker 6 (30:19):
As long as a piece of strength. I have been
surprised repeatedly about how long it took. Ideally, if it
was a typical judicial review, it could be done within
six months. I'm wondering if the court will expedite it.
I don't know. I'd like to be precise, but I

(30:40):
just can't. But can I say that this matter of
I don't know what a state of health is and
I don't know how they're going to look at his family.
But if I were him, I'd be saying, look, I've
got this enormous family. I've got four children by Mona,
I've got another new child with Elizabeth. You don't want
those children to be going on to the mercies of

(31:01):
the Department of Social Welfare be a burden on the
people of New Zealand. I have to stay here because
of my family. I think that would be the biggest
argument that he's put down not only roots, but he's
put down children here.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Bill, thank you so much for that analysis. Bill Hodge,
former Orcan University law professor, talking about Kim dot Com,
who Paul Goldsmith has signed his extraditional order to get
him to the United States to face trial over those
you Know file sharing website claims. Interesting because he's fifty
years old. Obviously we don't know what his hou's like.

(31:34):
But if he went there, the penalty could be twenty years,
so he could be looking at you jail till he
seventy that's if he even gets there. As we said,
one Life left.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
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Beds and a player store news Talk Sipy.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Good news for those wanting a holiday. North Korea has
eased its lockdown. You thought to Cinda was bad. Kim
Jong On just eased a five year lockdown after COVID
to allow foreign tourists and they're expecting mainly Russians and Chinese.
But if you want to go visit North Korea, gates
are open. Mike, you even wanted to go visit.

Speaker 16 (32:13):
I wanted to go to Paris, and then I went
to Paris and I didn't like it. So there's been
a lot of parts of the world where I've gone
to thinking it's probably going to be a bit crap,
and it turns out it was.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Would would we put Paris in North Korea? In the
same time, I'm.

Speaker 16 (32:27):
Trying to contrast it for you as if I can't
get excited about Paris, then I'm probably not going to
get exact Yang.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
I was going to go there. I was meant to
go there to do they do a marathon that they
allow foreigners to run in in kyong Yang? Yeah, and
you can go from Beijing, you go on the train.
But it never happened.

Speaker 14 (32:45):
How long is the marathon on North Korea?

Speaker 16 (32:46):
As long as you want, you don't marathon?

Speaker 14 (32:51):
How many marathons have you done?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
None?

Speaker 14 (32:53):
So you've done none?

Speaker 16 (32:54):
So you just thought your debut, your debut, your marathon
Korea in North Korea?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Did you were failure? That is not an option exactly.
I mean you.

Speaker 14 (33:05):
Realize if you don't do a set time or shoot.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
You exactly, that's why you will always finish.

Speaker 14 (33:12):
So do you have a plan for a new marathon
now or if you.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Give a marathon career given up? I do a bit
of swimming. I'll do ocean swimming.

Speaker 16 (33:19):
Did you want to swim in North Korea? Or that's
that's the weakest story I've ever heard. I'll tell you what.
I was going to do a marathon in North Korea
but it never happened, And how many of you don't. Well,
I've done none, so you've done the same number I've done,
which is none.

Speaker 14 (33:36):
Why have I done because I'm not even a runner?
Are you actually a runner? Or did you just know
I did?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I did? I did a marathon? What's on the showdow
we got?

Speaker 14 (33:47):
I don't know?

Speaker 16 (33:48):
Ethan Blackheader, the All Black? Well, you know, try and
rack them up ahead of tomorrow night at Eden Park. Anyway,
I know you love the weekend, so have a good weekend,
have a great Friday.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
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