March 16, 2025 • 34 mins
On the Early Edition with Full Show Podcast Monday 17th of March 2025, the number of people on the Jobseeker Benefit is rising, employment relations specialist Max Whitehead explains how we can change that.
There's calls for a national reporting system for bullying in schools.
UK/Europe Correspondent Gavin Grey shares the latest on the hundreds injured in a nightclub fire in North Macedonia.
Andrew Dickens believes the school lunch programme has been a train wreck and lunches should be targeted at those who need them.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The issues is the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
As we'll come on to you. Welcome to your sir
Patrick's day. I'm Andrew Dickinson. Coming up on the program
in the next sixty minutes. Should there be a national
reporting system for bullying in schools? And why isn't there
one yet? We'll have that story for you in five.
It's a hell of a weekend of sport, the black
Caps and the Warriors. Saw walkin the f C takes
your foot off the accelerator and Liam Lawson is slow,
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breaks down and then crashes out in a wet Melbourne
Andrew Ordison on sport. In ten and jobless benefit numbers
surged despite the government making it harder the sponge, So
what's going wrong with their scheme? We'll have that story
for you just before sex. We'll have correspondence from around
New Zealand and around the world and you can have
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It's seven after five.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Monday, the seventeenth of March, at least fifty nine people
have been killed at more than one hundred and fifty
five injured in a nightclub fire in North Macedonia.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
The blaze broke out around two thirty am local time
at the Pulse club in Kokani. Fifteen hundred people were
attending a concert by d NK. They're a popular hip
hop duo in the country, and there's trouble. Arrest warrants
have been issued for four people.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
The police have said that they are going to be
interviewing everyone who had anything to do with the organization
of the event, and there's already, of course speculation in
the local media about whether the nightclub was the correct
sort of facility for this kind of event to be held.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Meanwhile, at least thirty four people have died in the
United States, including twelve in Missouri alone. The cause deadly tornadoes.
They tore through several Southeast and states, flipping, cause thlatetning
homes and killing people.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Everything around it here is really bad. The trailer park
up up the street had fatalities. So I mean, we
don't have nothing compared to anything like that. I still
have a home they don't.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And in Kansas, at least eight people died after more
than fifty five vehicles were involved in a crash. This
is due to a dust storm. More than two hundred
and fifty thousand homes have been without power across seven states,
including Michigan, Missouri, and Illinois.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Tornadoes are kind of like snakes. Where there's one, there're
ten to be many, and in this instance, we had
two back to back outbreaks of severe weather. In fact,
earlier this week Thursday into Friday, we had one outbreak
that brought dozens of tornadoes across Parsville, Mississippi Valley, and
then of course today, this Saturday outbreak in the Sunday
morning is still ongoing right now with upwards of two
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dozen tornadoes. So I think by the time all is
had and done, between two outbreaks, we'll probably have fifty
to seventy five tornadoes.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And finally home is a little bit closer for the
two American astronauts who have been stranded on the International
Space Station since June, because the rocket with their replacement
crew has now successfully docked with the station. Butch Wilmore
and Sunny Williams were only due to be on the
space station for eight days, but because of technical issues
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with the experimental spacecraft they arrived on by Boeing, they
have been there more than nine months.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Houston, thank you for tuning in this early morning.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
Was a wonderful day.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Great to see our friends arrive, so thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I cannot tell you the immense joy of our crew
when we looked out the window and we saw the
space station for the first time. Wow, what a story.
And the question here is are they miserable or has
this been an unexpected life highlight? And the other thing
to note is just how long we managed to keep
them supplied with food and oxygen to stay alive nine months.
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It's ten after.
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Talks it be so. The investment conference finished on Friday
with a general feeling of optimism about New Zealand and
its plans. But then again, there is so much work
that has not been done, and we have so much
work that needs to be done. There's plenty of work.
The sticking point has always been who's going to pay
for it? Now this government's not happy to pay for stuff,
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so much so that they were prepared to risk a
deeper recession last year by canceling work that needed to
be done. So with their hands firmly locked in their pocket,
the government is talking outpps. Public private partnerships Now. PPPs
aren't a simple and easy thing. To negotiate a contract
that satisfies both sides is a very great skill. Steven
(04:45):
Joyce was quite good at it. And the great unknown
is stuff ups and unseen circumstances, and we've seen that
with Transmission Gully, which has resulted in long and painful
remediation and litigation, which is making it a more expensive
project than if we'd done it more eventually in the
first place. When you look at PPPs, risk transfer is
a big thing. And so if we make our private
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partner pay for it all all, then they will want
no risk, pay for it all, want no risk. That
exposes the crown. If the private partner wants quicker profits,
then quality drops. That's not good. But if they are
long term hold, quality increases that is good. But it's
a mind reading exercise to see exactly what your private
partner is thinking, and often they fall a part. And
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then there's the simple maths that governments can source capital
far cheaper than private entities. And with all that in play,
you can see why there's only been eight PPP projects
in the past fifteen years. They are devilishly difficult to
be win win, but this government will have you believe
that billions of dollars in the hands of white knights
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are about to come charging over the horizon and into
our economy lickety split. Frankly, if I see two come
off inside a decade, I'll be impressed. But if that
is all we get, that will still leave an infrastructure
deficit that still desperately needs to be wiped out. Andrew Dickens, Now,
the headline today is a jobless benefit numbers serve, So
let's run you through the numbers. There are nearly twenty
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two thousand more kiwis receiving the job Seeker Benefit than
a year ago. That's a jump of almost twelve percent.
That's the same as adding the town of Aspurton to
our beneficiaries. There were more than two hundred and ten
thousand people on the job Seeker Benefit in February, eleven
point five percent more than in February twenty twenty four
of the two hundred and ten thousand, four hundred and
(06:30):
fifty six receiving the job seeker benefit last month, one
hundred and nineteen thousand odd we're receiving the work Ready payment,
and ninety thousand or nearly ninety one thousand we're receiving
the job seeker which is the Health Condition and Disability payment.
And slightly better news, a total number of people seeking
or receiving job seeker both work Ready and Health Condition
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and Disability did actually reduce by one point three percent,
but that doesn't make the headlines. That's compared to January
twenty twenty five. Now, at the same time, the government
has ensued this austerity program excuse me, which has rippled
out from the public service and government contractors to the
wider population, and that's kind of nullified the stricter regime.
And given the possibility of a flat economy due to
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global instability, it doesn't seem that the government's grand promises
to slash the beneficiaries is going to come true anytime soon.
The government sold the belief that there were many people
raughting the system, so making the system harder to navigate.
And adding penalties will cut the number of peoples who
are just cruising on your money. The question is how
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many people are in fact bludging and have we overestimated
that all along for political rhetoric. Well let's get an answer,
shall we. We're going to talk to an employment specialist
just before six it's now five point fourteen. There's been
cause for a national reporting system for bullying in schools
and my first question is why haven't we already got one.
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Well we'll answer that in just a few moments time
with a VPTA president, Chris Abercrombie. This is Newstalk ZBB Andrew.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
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Speaker 2 (08:11):
Sixteen past five, Good morning to you, joe Anne. Joanne
sent me a text. She said, why you're so negative
this morning? Andrew, give PPPs a chance and this government
a chance to negotiate them before condemning them as a failure.
I didn't comdemn them as a failure. What I just
warned was they're really hard, they're really difficult, and it
might not be as I said. The white Knight that
suddenly charges over the horizon and fixes all that problems.
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I just thought I was being rational. Now there's been
a call for national reporting systems for bullying in schools.
The Children's the Chief Children's Commissioner wants to see regular
publicly reported data made available for all to see, but
the Ministry of Education believes it should be left up
to the individual schools themselves. That's despite a quarter of
the Principles nationally saying they see physical harm or property
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damage every day. So I'm joined now by the PPTA
Press and it's Chris Abercrombie. Thank you for getting up
for us. Chris, are good, It's all good. Are you
in favor of a national reporting system?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I'm not necessarily opposed to. The issue is with two
and a half thousand south governing schools with two and
a half thousand different definitions of bullying, So until we've
saw that out, you couldn't have a national database on
the issue.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So if there is to be a national reporting system,
you want all these schools to actually coordinate the way
they do things.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, though, we just have to. I mean, I'm sure
if we've got ten different people in a room, we
have ten different definitions of what bullying is. And so
until we get a shared understanding of what it is
until we all know then that you couldn't have a
national database.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Okay, but if we get it sorted, would a national
database actually help?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Well, that's the resourcing that came with it. I mean,
there's all good measuring a problem, understanding an issue, but
then it's the next thing to support it. There is
no nationally coordinated or very nationally coordinated programs to support
schools to deal with bullying. Like you said, the Ministry
believes it's best the schools to deal with it, and
we've got two and a half thousand different ways of
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doing that.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, do you believe, because we've got so many different
ways of reporting on it, that the bullying is actually
being under reported in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I don't know to say anything about that, but what
I do know is that if we do want to
seriously deal with this, and here has reported it and
Peace has reported it, then we need to really get
some national action on this. We do have what's called
Positive Behavior for Learning program, but not all schools are
part of it, and the funding has been dropping for
that for a number of years.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
So you're the president of the PEPTA, would you you
could possibly knock heads together and say let's come up
with a standardized way of doing this.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, I appreciate you think I can do all of that,
but we can. I mean, well you all have a
discussion about that. It was really really vital. I was
believed when I was at school, so I know how
devastating it can be for dealing with these kind of issues.
So any support that we can do to it, and
maybe the children's Questions call will kicked out bad idea.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Good stuff, and I thank you Chris abber crumby the
PPTA President And this is News Talk zet B. Yeah,
really tough weekend at Melbourne for Liam Lawson. Interesting people
think the race was ruined because of the weather. I
think it made it even more exciting. And it was
magnificent run at the end to see to see Vistep
and charging at Lando Norris who has the best car.
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So we'll talk more about this and of course the
magnificent performances by the black Caps and the Warriors in
just a few moments time with Andrew Orderson. It's five twenty.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
The news you need this morning and the in depth
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B five twenty two Andrew Ordison, good morning to you.
Greeting's Andrew Poor Lilliam Lawson a slow in Q one,
broke down in Q two and then crashed in the race.
That's a bad weekend, it is, it is.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
It's not the ideal start isn't really for Leam Lawson
And wow he was getting it together. He's up to thirteenth,
they're out of pitt Lane. But yeah, when you're crashing
and then it doesn't doesn't bow well we mixed for stuff.
I guess for the overall team with the second that's
not so some sort of redemption is it that Norris winning?
But yeah, I think Lawson Wson work to do what
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ahead of the Chinese rompre he'd never raced that track
before the first time in the car. China next weekend,
good luck. But look McLaren is obviously the team to be. Yeah, yeah,
it's that. I mean again we saw that the constructors
last year, how tight it was and how competitive it is,
and it's an element to it.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, going into the next week again now black Caps
versus Pakistan, Yes, Hagle, the oval looked a picture, didn't it?
And it was full Yeah, you know, did last long though. Well, look,
the first two overs from Kyl Jamison were a beautiful thing.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Oh god, he's just he's so hard to play. Just
that it's steepling, bounce, et cetera. And really showcasing himself
with what three for eight his overall figures, I think
Jacob after getting four for fourteen in the end as well.
But ye're just coasting.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
There was beautiful victory. People were saying, like churs, Pakistan
has been playing on terrible pictures, But we've been playing
on those terrible pictures too in the ACC Champions Trophy,
and yet we cope better.
Speaker 8 (13:12):
Well, it's about adapting, is it. And you think about
how many people or how many players top players missing
from that New Zealand first to Leaven if you like.
But a great first Juny for Michael Brace were keptaening
at home for the first time at least kept them overseas,
I think, and yeah, putting together quite the overall showcase
and mount Side for getting a few as well.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, exactly, Mount smart magic for the Warriors that back. Baby,
it's our year. Oh that was stunning display, wasn't it really?
Speaker 8 (13:37):
When you think about the how loa things were after
the opening week in Las Vegas, with the loss of
the Raiders, things looking grim, but the Warrior is able
to turn around and convincingly.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Really, I mean, what was it in the thirty six
sixteen double score?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, just put them away.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
Yeah, there was a time I think was the first
time I thought well, maybe it's going to teata here
and get think into it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
But yeah they on.
Speaker 8 (14:03):
And RTEs was an imperious form Metcalf showing a bit
a skill there, good good science.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Good stuff and may thank you. Five twenty four, The early.
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It is Our five twenty seven. So last week is
the world puzzled over war and peace and the end
of globalization and rules based free trade. New Zealand was
wondering about our free lunch program in schools. David Seymour,
a long term opponent of the idea, was put in
charge of it by Prime Minister Christopher Luxan, which may
have been an ingenious move politically, but this may rebound
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in their faces. The act leader reckons he can centralize it.
Well he did and cut costs until each lunch costs
three dollars a child. But then the providers had problems,
none more so than the bell who went bust, and
we finished the week bringing in lunches from Australia. But
there's more sticking in the town that wasn't covered much.
Longtime listened Matt, good morning to your Matt, and longtime
opponent of a whole idea was incensed by part of the
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story from last week and sent me an email. It
was in the story about the Gismond kid who got
burnt by his school lunch, But what got met was
the revelation that the school orders three hundred and ten
lunches each day, but at the moment, one hundred and
fifty go untouched by the kids who didn't like the
look of the offering. And then the principal breathlessly reported
that some have given up on the school lunches and
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they've started bringing their own meals from home, which is
exactly what the parents should have been doing in the
first place. And what Matt hated about that is the
entitlement of those who took the meals but never needed them.
And I think it's entirely predictable offered a free meal.
Who says no, except it's not free. You and I
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pay for it. But some parents will argue, oh, that's
us getting our tax back. We paid our taxes, we
get a free lunch for Johnny Labor. When they set
this up, thought that if one child goes hungry, then
all children should be fed, which is I got opened
up for exploitation. So how do we fix this? Well,
obviously the help should be targeted at the kids who
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are hungry, and if a kid comes to school hungry
and empty handed, then they should be helped. So how
do we do that? And I wonder, how about a
lunch club where the children who come in without food
and are hungry put their hands up and offered a
chance to make a meal for themselves if they need it.
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And maybe they could sit there together and make a
toasted sandwich. Maybe they could make a marm mite sandwich
and make the prime minister happy. Because remember what is
that Chinese proverb? Give a man a fish, then he
eats for a day. Teach him how to fish and
he feeds himself for a lifetime. Let's teach these kids
how to make their own lunches. Andrew Dicka is twenty nine.
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One of the great stories, of course, is the astronauts
who will be coming home. They went up there for
eight days, they've stayed up there for nine months. And
would you know it, when the spaceship arrived at the
space station, the guy who compiled in the space up
from Earth floated into the space station in an alien costume.
Speaker 9 (17:08):
Laugh.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
We're just about cried. But what a good news story.
Now on the way, we're going to talk to Callen
Proctor about a great train journey that's coming back. And later, yes,
we will talk Ukraine and Sakia. Stamer is moving into
operational phase for his military. It's all to come on
Early edition by'm Andrew Dickens and for Ryan Bridge.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
This is News Talk MD, the first word on the
News of the Day, Early Edition.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
With Andrew Dickens and one roof make your property Surgeon
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Speaker 2 (18:01):
Made rescums in for Ryan Bridge. Welcome to you of Monday.
So the big story today is that the job seecret
numbers have surged despite the government moving to cut the
beneficiaries over the past year, near the eighteen months of
their existence. So the question is why isn't it working
so far. Had a text from Hawaiana Hall on Maina.
She says, you're damned if you do, and you're damned
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if you don't. New Zealand needs to dig its way
out of a hole. But if they try something, it
won't work. If they do nothing, they are useless. And
that is a fair point. I think the real point
here is to figure out exactly how many bludges are there.
We know it's a flat economy, so there are more
people unemployed. The question is how can we cut out
the bludges. So we'll talk about this with an employment
specialist shortly. I don't know if you've noticed it, but
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the world and New Zealand is in a bit of
a hotspot right now. It doesn't matter why the mercury
is just rising. The country's being baked. We walk through
my local park, it looks like hay instead of verdant
green fields. And we find it reported now that Hamilton
is in a heat wave the summer, with fifteen days
where the city never dropped below twenty seven degrees. Now,
remember twenty seven degrees is what many places have. It's
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just that we aren't used to it, and kind of
experts believe this sort of scenario could happen in Hamilton
every three and four summers, so this, in the medium
term will be the new normal. Many in Hamilton have
to say loving it twenty seven degrees is not horrific.
They are basking in a Mediterranean summer. But experts have
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worn that the vulnerable are going to have problems going forward,
in particular the elderly. So if you are preparing for
your golden years in Hamilton, you might want to make
sure your house is nice and shady. You might want
to make sure it's well ventilated. And when you open
all the doors you get a breeze, and you might
want to get some mere conditioning in and then just
pray we have enough electricity to keep you cool in
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summer and warm in winter. Twenty two minutes to six.
We're going around the country right now. Callum Proctor joins
us from Duneed and hello Callum.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Morning Andrew.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
The Southern is back.
Speaker 11 (20:01):
It is, yeah, well just for a limited time only
in May. Great Journeys New Zealand, which is KIWI Rail's
tourism division, is reviving the popular Southerner route and what
promises to be a bit of nostalgia This journey will
trace part of the historic rail route between Danita and
christ Church for four days from May seventeenth. Back in
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the day it went or to Way to inv Cargol,
but at won't this time. Spokesperson Tracy Goodor says it
gives travelers a rare opportunity to immerse themselves in the
area's history and heritage. She says this route was once
a South Island travels staple before it finished in two
thousand and two.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It is very pretty, but I can tell you callum.
I'm getting texts out of South and saying it is
not this other if it doesn't come to end cargo
so that they are not happy. That's a good point.
How's Dunedin's weather.
Speaker 11 (20:50):
We've got a strong wind watch here, strong northwest gusts
ninety k's turning southwest this evening. Change in the weather
later today, occasional rain possibly heavy before that, the high
today twenty five.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Thank you so much, Claise here it joins me from
christ Which tell Claire, good morning. Did you have a
miracle in Canterbury over the weekend?
Speaker 12 (21:07):
Well, a near miracle.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Look.
Speaker 12 (21:08):
This is the story of a Salowyn couple who say
they feel lucky to be alive after a car plowed
through their bedroom while they slept.
Speaker 9 (21:15):
This was at.
Speaker 12 (21:16):
Roliston on Shillingford Boulevard at about three point forty on
Saturday morning. Llewellen ventor says he woke to a rumble
and a bang and then became trapped in a door
frame while his wife was stuck. This is crazy under
the car wheel, he says. The bedroom curtain is what
saved their lives. That stopped some of the debris and
shrapnel which was flung across the room. The pair managed
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to escape somehow without serious injury. They got cuts and
bruises during the event. The driver moderately injured.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Didn't the guy in the house lift the car?
Speaker 12 (21:47):
It's what she says? Yeah that The wife says that
the husband pulled the car off her and she just
doesn't know how that happened. So amazing in those situations.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
What a man. What's your weather?
Speaker 12 (21:58):
Fine and gusty here today, northwesterlies developing night this morning.
The high thirty degrees.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Max told joins us Now from Wellington, hellm X.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So we've got a woman who's defording a trust so
she can go gambling yeah.
Speaker 13 (22:11):
So this was a potdoer based trust, herupu Afinaki Potidoer.
It helps the needy children and families. Aisha Warren came
on board at twenty nineteen to help with the payroll.
She would take on accounting and online banking services and
eventually started making fake invoices that led to her stealing
over a million bucks over two years, some of which,
as you say, yeah, she would waste on online gambling,
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not an uncommon story in this country. She is forty
one now. A few days before her trial was due
to start in Wellington, she came clean admitted the charge
of obtaining by deception. This trust had been running since
the seventies. It was a proven, well oiled machine providing welfare,
health education services to the Potidoer community. In her time there,
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the books lost over a million bucks.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I e.
Speaker 13 (22:59):
She almost drove it to the ground. She's been reminded
on bail, sentenced in July.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
And I thank you. And how's your weather?
Speaker 13 (23:06):
Partley? Cloudy, a little bit of drizzle later on, some
stronger winds this afternoon, early twenties.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And never reat a man who joined us from Aukanahalla,
and never good morning. So when you caught it. This
is where the America's Cup was based. It's a new
area of Auckland and people who live and work there
getting a bit worried about how much it costs to park.
That's right.
Speaker 14 (23:23):
So what's happened is that the businesses in Whin you'd quarter,
they're concerned about parking charges. So people now they're going
to have to pay. This is on Sundays, also on
public holidays, bringing it in line with the rest of
the CBD. So you'll remember, Andrew, that area was exempted
from parking charges and changes. This is while the wind
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Crossing Bridge, remember that was being repaired, took months and
months and you know all those businesses there, they weren't
getting that foot traffic. Well now, the conservatory owner, Tricky
Hartley says, this is just going to add another barrier
to customers wanting to visit. It may stop people going
out there or make them. She's you know, the local
and steered.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And that bridge was always supposed to
be temporary, that's right. That's what happens when you do
things on the cheap.
Speaker 14 (24:07):
Hou'salkin's weather well cloudy today, isolated afternoon and evening showers
still warm. Twenty five is the.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
High and I thank you, and at seventeen minutes to six,
and of course the heat wave in Hamilton and the
white Kaddo. It's being pointed out in the text of
course big farming area. So yes, some people are enjoying
the hot weather, but that doesn't bring showers of rain,
which is needed for growing grass, for feeding stock, which
is the backbund of our economy. So that's the thing
I mean. While someone else is Hamilton was hotter in
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nineteen thirty four, that is true, So this is not
a new high. That's misinformation. Never said that. What I
said was they're now saying these sorts of summers three
and every four. It's hot enough to be a problem.
It is seventeen minister six terrible, terrible nightclub fire in
Macedonia and people have been arrested for it. It's the
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old you know, let's let off some fire weeks inside scenario.
So we'll cover this. And also UK prison sekir Stammer
saying that they are moving to an operational phase in
the Ukraine. This is the UK. So Gavin Gray is
next from the UK on newstalksb.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
International correspondence with Insigneye Insurance Peace of Mind for New
Zealand business at the time.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Right now, it's fourteen to nine on Monday, the seventeenth
of match s Patrick's day and off to the UK.
We go and Gvin Greg, good morning to you either Andrew.
Terrible fire in the nightclub in North Macedonia, people killed
and people arrested for courting it.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
Yes, that's right, I'm afraid really grim death toll on
the rise. It's at least fifty nine people with ages
so far between fourteen and twenty four years old in
a nightclub, one hundred and fifty five injured, eighteen said
to be critical condition with burns. What we believe happened
is one thousand, five hundred people packed into and around
(25:58):
the Pulse nightclub in a town roughly one hundred kilometers
east of the capital of North Macedonia, towards the sort
of yeah, towards the border with Bulgaria, and they were
there to see a hip hop duo called d NK.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Now.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
The problem is it appears that during the concert there
was a pyrotechnic device. Sparks from that hit the ceiling,
and the ceiling was made of highly flammable material and
it just went up incredibly quickly, say our witnesses, and
of course there was a stampede for the exit, so
it really really awful. We believe the government is set
(26:36):
to declare seven days in national mourning and now demand
urgent inspections of all nightclubs and restaurants used to host
large gatherings. And yes, we do believe that four arrest
warrants have been issued and one person so far has
been arrested.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It just reminds me of a story out of America.
And this is like twenty years ago Ben called Great
White were playing. They had pyrotechnics and one hundred people died.
More than one hundred people died. You just don't do
pirate tics indoors, particularly in the smaller venues. But there
we go. So apparently the United Kingdom is now into
an operational phase in Ukraine.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Yes, so there was that phone call, wasn't there a
virtual call between hosted by the British Prime Minister, but
involving New Zealand, Australia, Canada, members of the Commonwealth, but
also nearly two dozen European countries too, with Japan as
well apparently set to offer assistance for what's being called
the Coalition of the Willing.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
What do we mean?
Speaker 7 (27:28):
We mean that if and when there is a cease
far between Ukraine and Russia, that the Coalition of the
Willing really does think there needs to be some kind
of a peacekeeping force on site. America says it's not convinced,
but plenty of people who simply do not trust Vladimir
Putin to stay out of Ukraine even after that cease far.
(27:50):
So we're going to, I think, get more details on Thursday,
where due to have a meeting of military leaders to
put what are being called strong and robust plans in place. However,
I have to be honest Andrew, some of the details
on this are really sketchy. It all sounds promising, but
until there is actually this agreement, and then until the
Coalition has got its act together with exactly what it's
(28:12):
going to offer, we won't really know how effective it is.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Kevin Gray out of the UK, I thank you. Apparently
I just said it's fourteen to nine. I had no idea.
I said that it is now eleven to six.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Well, it seems the government's plan to get people off
the job seeker benefit hasn't been as successful as they
would wish. The statistics show there's been a twelve percent
increase in people getting assistance in the past year. That's
twenty two thousand more kiwis receiving financial support on the
job seeker alone. That's the size of levin. So is
this not working? Why is it not working? And could
(28:51):
it work? Max Whitehead is an employment relation specialist with
the white Head Group and joins me this morning. Good
morning to you, Max, Hey, Andrew.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Wow, look it's not good these numbers.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
No, the way are the numbers dropping? I mean, they
put penalties in place, they put more hoops for people
to jump through. Why did it not work?
Speaker 9 (29:09):
Well, it seems to me that the government has really
got an impression that this country's made up of larger businesses.
But I may not have said it so often. Ninety
seven percent of all the enterprises in New Zealand a
small businesses. And that's the problem. And they're small. They
don't have a lot of large money for robotics and
AI and all these other special things that are really
(29:30):
making the world hum At the moment, and so we're
at the rock bottom of our productivity in the whole OECD.
So what's happening is our companies are inefficiently ineffective and
we're still our talent is just leaving in droves and
you know, the brain brain as they call it. But
(29:51):
it certainly is affecting small business. I know of so
many businesses now that are going to shut their door
or have done. And even in our family there's three
people that we know of who are terrified right now.
They are about to lose their jobs and they can't
find anything else. It really is affecting the real people
(30:12):
of New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Okay, so the productivity, the lack of productivity is affecting us.
But there's also the belief, and you'll hear it on talkback,
is that there are so many people enjoying the lifestyle
of being on a benefit, supplementing it with cash jobs
or unreported side hustles or crime or whatever. The question
is how many people are routing us? How many many
blodges do we have? Is that number in the tens
(30:34):
of thousands or is it a smaller than we might reckon?
Speaker 9 (30:38):
Well, I believe there might have been a lot of
that after COVID because they quite enjoyed the staying at home.
But Lark, but I think it's not as bad as
it used to be. There are some people out there,
but I think those numbers are small. But I think
what is more concerning for New Zealand, and I think
our productivity shows it is that the talents leaving and drows. Yes,
(31:00):
some people are staying home, but I think what we
ought to be seeing Andrew that the answer to this
is that government should stop. They've done a wonderful job
blocking leakage of money out of the system, but look
at what they learn need to do is focus on
productivity and get incentives in place so the home loans
are then redirected into business loans, and also maybe put
(31:23):
some assistance in for helping businesses understand better robotics AI
get these things are automation going into the workplace is
a lot better.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
You know, like.
Speaker 9 (31:33):
Farmers, for example, all around the world they are using
well they don't even drive tractors anymore, they set them
on their way and the way they go. There's so
much to be that could be done. Get our productivity
up into make some more of effective.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Nation Max, I thank you so much, New storksb And
here's the thing. Overall numbers of people on the benefit
did actually drop by one point three percent, so it
is working, it's only working slowly. And as Max, we've
got to get our productivity out. It is our seven
to six.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
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Speaker 2 (32:14):
It'd be I'd like to take a wanning to Roy
and Roy would like me to mention the fact which
has not been mentioned so far, that the Chiefs had
a good win. But of course that was Friday, that
was years ago, and yes, twenty three, twenty two over
the Blues, and that is the top team visits the
bottom team and that was a close and that was
a rip roaring game, which shows you just how good
super rugby is. And Mike Hoskin joins you now Warriors
one and the Warriors one they won, they won well.
(32:36):
I thought Mount Smart magic because we've seen Mount Smart
look great for AUCHANDFC. It was just rocking for the
Warriors and the boys were on fire.
Speaker 15 (32:43):
Absolutely brilliant. But you know, are they on fire next week?
You know what I found interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Raymond Travis came out of the show this morning and said, gee,
that Melvine Grand Prix was terrible, but you and I went, no,
it wasn't, no, no, romand doesn't have a clue what
he's talking about. It came down to a fight out
between the two. B If you can't.
Speaker 15 (32:59):
Enjoy what happened in Melbourne yesterday, then that's not your
sport now clearly, because that was all there. I mean,
you know, the skill required just to stay on the
track was exceptional because a lot didn't. And this guy Antonelli,
who's this kid at Mercedes that Toto Wolf has been
had his eye on for years proved himself to come
from the back of the field to well. He finished fourth,
but got a penalty so he finished fifth. But I
(33:21):
mean that was exceptional. The whole the whole weekend was
phenomenal in terms of skill required and what you saw
and carnage and unpredictability and you know, getting to Impoor
oldly a disaster of a week.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Q two. His car broke down, then crashed. He broke down.
Speaker 15 (33:35):
He had a new wing put on, so in the
pit lane the car was slow, like the tires were wrong.
Tires were wrong. The pit strategy was a problem. So
there was a little bit of him in there. I
think he wasn't driving car very well and there's a
little bit of the car in there. So they got
sprint weekend, by the way, in China this weekend, so
that means you've got less practice time. You've got to
go into a sprint race as well as a Grand Prix.
So he's got his work cut out for what do
(33:57):
you do today?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Well, we'll do that.
Speaker 15 (33:59):
We've announced we're going to start an FTA with India,
so that's exciting. Trade Minister is in India, so he's
Withers and Winston Peters is in Washington. Yes, here a Rubyo,
so all took tim as well.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah great, So good programming. I thank you, and my
thanks to producer Kensey. My name is Andrew Dickens. See
you tomorrow May.
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Patrick's day. I'm Andrew Dickinson. Coming up on the program
in the next sixty minutes. Should there be a national
reporting system for bullying in schools? And why isn't there
one yet? We'll have that story for you in five.
It's a hell of a weekend of sport, the black
Caps and the Warriors. Saw walkin the f C takes
your foot off the accelerator and Liam Lawson is slow,
(00:36):
breaks down and then crashes out in a wet Melbourne
Andrew Ordison on sport. In ten and jobless benefit numbers
surged despite the government making it harder the sponge, So
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It's seven after five.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
The agenda.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Monday, the seventeenth of March, at least fifty nine people
have been killed at more than one hundred and fifty
five injured in a nightclub fire in North Macedonia.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
The blaze broke out around two thirty am local time
at the Pulse club in Kokani. Fifteen hundred people were
attending a concert by d NK. They're a popular hip
hop duo in the country, and there's trouble. Arrest warrants
have been issued for four people.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
The police have said that they are going to be
interviewing everyone who had anything to do with the organization
of the event, and there's already, of course speculation in
the local media about whether the nightclub was the correct
sort of facility for this kind of event to be held.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Meanwhile, at least thirty four people have died in the
United States, including twelve in Missouri alone. The cause deadly tornadoes.
They tore through several Southeast and states, flipping, cause thlatetning
homes and killing people.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Everything around it here is really bad. The trailer park
up up the street had fatalities. So I mean, we
don't have nothing compared to anything like that. I still
have a home they don't.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And in Kansas, at least eight people died after more
than fifty five vehicles were involved in a crash. This
is due to a dust storm. More than two hundred
and fifty thousand homes have been without power across seven states,
including Michigan, Missouri, and Illinois.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Tornadoes are kind of like snakes. Where there's one, there're
ten to be many, and in this instance, we had
two back to back outbreaks of severe weather. In fact,
earlier this week Thursday into Friday, we had one outbreak
that brought dozens of tornadoes across Parsville, Mississippi Valley, and
then of course today, this Saturday outbreak in the Sunday
morning is still ongoing right now with upwards of two
(02:49):
dozen tornadoes. So I think by the time all is
had and done, between two outbreaks, we'll probably have fifty
to seventy five tornadoes.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And finally home is a little bit closer for the
two American astronauts who have been stranded on the International
Space Station since June, because the rocket with their replacement
crew has now successfully docked with the station. Butch Wilmore
and Sunny Williams were only due to be on the
space station for eight days, but because of technical issues
(03:16):
with the experimental spacecraft they arrived on by Boeing, they
have been there more than nine months.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Houston, thank you for tuning in this early morning.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
Was a wonderful day.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Great to see our friends arrive, so thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I cannot tell you the immense joy of our crew
when we looked out the window and we saw the
space station for the first time. Wow, what a story.
And the question here is are they miserable or has
this been an unexpected life highlight? And the other thing
to note is just how long we managed to keep
them supplied with food and oxygen to stay alive nine months.
(03:52):
It's ten after.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
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Speaker 2 (04:03):
Talks it be so. The investment conference finished on Friday
with a general feeling of optimism about New Zealand and
its plans. But then again, there is so much work
that has not been done, and we have so much
work that needs to be done. There's plenty of work.
The sticking point has always been who's going to pay
for it? Now this government's not happy to pay for stuff,
(04:24):
so much so that they were prepared to risk a
deeper recession last year by canceling work that needed to
be done. So with their hands firmly locked in their pocket,
the government is talking outpps. Public private partnerships Now. PPPs
aren't a simple and easy thing. To negotiate a contract
that satisfies both sides is a very great skill. Steven
(04:45):
Joyce was quite good at it. And the great unknown
is stuff ups and unseen circumstances, and we've seen that
with Transmission Gully, which has resulted in long and painful
remediation and litigation, which is making it a more expensive
project than if we'd done it more eventually in the
first place. When you look at PPPs, risk transfer is
a big thing. And so if we make our private
(05:06):
partner pay for it all all, then they will want
no risk, pay for it all, want no risk. That
exposes the crown. If the private partner wants quicker profits,
then quality drops. That's not good. But if they are
long term hold, quality increases that is good. But it's
a mind reading exercise to see exactly what your private
partner is thinking, and often they fall a part. And
(05:28):
then there's the simple maths that governments can source capital
far cheaper than private entities. And with all that in play,
you can see why there's only been eight PPP projects
in the past fifteen years. They are devilishly difficult to
be win win, but this government will have you believe
that billions of dollars in the hands of white knights
(05:49):
are about to come charging over the horizon and into
our economy lickety split. Frankly, if I see two come
off inside a decade, I'll be impressed. But if that
is all we get, that will still leave an infrastructure
deficit that still desperately needs to be wiped out. Andrew Dickens, Now,
the headline today is a jobless benefit numbers serve, So
let's run you through the numbers. There are nearly twenty
(06:10):
two thousand more kiwis receiving the job Seeker Benefit than
a year ago. That's a jump of almost twelve percent.
That's the same as adding the town of Aspurton to
our beneficiaries. There were more than two hundred and ten
thousand people on the job Seeker Benefit in February, eleven
point five percent more than in February twenty twenty four
of the two hundred and ten thousand, four hundred and
(06:30):
fifty six receiving the job seeker benefit last month, one
hundred and nineteen thousand odd we're receiving the work Ready payment,
and ninety thousand or nearly ninety one thousand we're receiving
the job seeker which is the Health Condition and Disability payment.
And slightly better news, a total number of people seeking
or receiving job seeker both work Ready and Health Condition
(06:50):
and Disability did actually reduce by one point three percent,
but that doesn't make the headlines. That's compared to January
twenty twenty five. Now, at the same time, the government
has ensued this austerity program excuse me, which has rippled
out from the public service and government contractors to the
wider population, and that's kind of nullified the stricter regime.
And given the possibility of a flat economy due to
(07:12):
global instability, it doesn't seem that the government's grand promises
to slash the beneficiaries is going to come true anytime soon.
The government sold the belief that there were many people
raughting the system, so making the system harder to navigate.
And adding penalties will cut the number of peoples who
are just cruising on your money. The question is how
(07:34):
many people are in fact bludging and have we overestimated
that all along for political rhetoric. Well let's get an answer,
shall we. We're going to talk to an employment specialist
just before six it's now five point fourteen. There's been
cause for a national reporting system for bullying in schools
and my first question is why haven't we already got one.
(07:57):
Well we'll answer that in just a few moments time
with a VPTA president, Chris Abercrombie. This is Newstalk ZBB Andrew.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
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Speaker 2 (08:11):
Sixteen past five, Good morning to you, joe Anne. Joanne
sent me a text. She said, why you're so negative
this morning? Andrew, give PPPs a chance and this government
a chance to negotiate them before condemning them as a failure.
I didn't comdemn them as a failure. What I just
warned was they're really hard, they're really difficult, and it
might not be as I said. The white Knight that
suddenly charges over the horizon and fixes all that problems.
(08:33):
I just thought I was being rational. Now there's been
a call for national reporting systems for bullying in schools.
The Children's the Chief Children's Commissioner wants to see regular
publicly reported data made available for all to see, but
the Ministry of Education believes it should be left up
to the individual schools themselves. That's despite a quarter of
the Principles nationally saying they see physical harm or property
(08:56):
damage every day. So I'm joined now by the PPTA
Press and it's Chris Abercrombie. Thank you for getting up
for us. Chris, are good, It's all good. Are you
in favor of a national reporting system?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I'm not necessarily opposed to. The issue is with two
and a half thousand south governing schools with two and
a half thousand different definitions of bullying, So until we've
saw that out, you couldn't have a national database on
the issue.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So if there is to be a national reporting system,
you want all these schools to actually coordinate the way
they do things.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, though, we just have to. I mean, I'm sure
if we've got ten different people in a room, we
have ten different definitions of what bullying is. And so
until we get a shared understanding of what it is
until we all know then that you couldn't have a
national database.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Okay, but if we get it sorted, would a national
database actually help?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Well, that's the resourcing that came with it. I mean,
there's all good measuring a problem, understanding an issue, but
then it's the next thing to support it. There is
no nationally coordinated or very nationally coordinated programs to support
schools to deal with bullying. Like you said, the Ministry
believes it's best the schools to deal with it, and
we've got two and a half thousand different ways of
(10:08):
doing that.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, do you believe, because we've got so many different
ways of reporting on it, that the bullying is actually
being under reported in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I don't know to say anything about that, but what
I do know is that if we do want to
seriously deal with this, and here has reported it and
Peace has reported it, then we need to really get
some national action on this. We do have what's called
Positive Behavior for Learning program, but not all schools are
part of it, and the funding has been dropping for
that for a number of years.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
So you're the president of the PEPTA, would you you
could possibly knock heads together and say let's come up
with a standardized way of doing this.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, I appreciate you think I can do all of that,
but we can. I mean, well you all have a
discussion about that. It was really really vital. I was
believed when I was at school, so I know how
devastating it can be for dealing with these kind of issues.
So any support that we can do to it, and
maybe the children's Questions call will kicked out bad idea.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Good stuff, and I thank you Chris abber crumby the
PPTA President And this is News Talk zet B. Yeah,
really tough weekend at Melbourne for Liam Lawson. Interesting people
think the race was ruined because of the weather. I
think it made it even more exciting. And it was
magnificent run at the end to see to see Vistep
and charging at Lando Norris who has the best car.
(11:25):
So we'll talk more about this and of course the
magnificent performances by the black Caps and the Warriors in
just a few moments time with Andrew Orderson. It's five twenty.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
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B five twenty two Andrew Ordison, good morning to you.
Greeting's Andrew Poor Lilliam Lawson a slow in Q one,
broke down in Q two and then crashed in the race.
That's a bad weekend, it is, it is.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
It's not the ideal start isn't really for Leam Lawson
And wow he was getting it together. He's up to thirteenth,
they're out of pitt Lane. But yeah, when you're crashing
and then it doesn't doesn't bow well we mixed for stuff.
I guess for the overall team with the second that's
not so some sort of redemption is it that Norris winning?
But yeah, I think Lawson Wson work to do what
(12:17):
ahead of the Chinese rompre he'd never raced that track
before the first time in the car. China next weekend,
good luck. But look McLaren is obviously the team to be. Yeah, yeah,
it's that. I mean again we saw that the constructors
last year, how tight it was and how competitive it is,
and it's an element to it.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, going into the next week again now black Caps
versus Pakistan, Yes, Hagle, the oval looked a picture, didn't it?
And it was full Yeah, you know, did last long though. Well, look,
the first two overs from Kyl Jamison were a beautiful thing.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Oh god, he's just he's so hard to play. Just
that it's steepling, bounce, et cetera. And really showcasing himself
with what three for eight his overall figures, I think
Jacob after getting four for fourteen in the end as well.
But ye're just coasting.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
There was beautiful victory. People were saying, like churs, Pakistan
has been playing on terrible pictures, But we've been playing
on those terrible pictures too in the ACC Champions Trophy,
and yet we cope better.
Speaker 8 (13:12):
Well, it's about adapting, is it. And you think about
how many people or how many players top players missing
from that New Zealand first to Leaven if you like.
But a great first Juny for Michael Brace were keptaening
at home for the first time at least kept them overseas,
I think, and yeah, putting together quite the overall showcase
and mount Side for getting a few as well.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, exactly, Mount smart magic for the Warriors that back. Baby,
it's our year. Oh that was stunning display, wasn't it really?
Speaker 8 (13:37):
When you think about the how loa things were after
the opening week in Las Vegas, with the loss of
the Raiders, things looking grim, but the Warrior is able
to turn around and convincingly.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Really, I mean, what was it in the thirty six
sixteen double score?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, just put them away.
Speaker 8 (13:54):
Yeah, there was a time I think was the first
time I thought well, maybe it's going to teata here
and get think into it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
But yeah they on.
Speaker 8 (14:03):
And RTEs was an imperious form Metcalf showing a bit
a skill there, good good science.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Good stuff and may thank you. Five twenty four, The early.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
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It is Our five twenty seven. So last week is
the world puzzled over war and peace and the end
of globalization and rules based free trade. New Zealand was
wondering about our free lunch program in schools. David Seymour,
a long term opponent of the idea, was put in
charge of it by Prime Minister Christopher Luxan, which may
have been an ingenious move politically, but this may rebound
(14:40):
in their faces. The act leader reckons he can centralize it.
Well he did and cut costs until each lunch costs
three dollars a child. But then the providers had problems,
none more so than the bell who went bust, and
we finished the week bringing in lunches from Australia. But
there's more sticking in the town that wasn't covered much.
Longtime listened Matt, good morning to your Matt, and longtime
opponent of a whole idea was incensed by part of the
(15:01):
story from last week and sent me an email. It
was in the story about the Gismond kid who got
burnt by his school lunch, But what got met was
the revelation that the school orders three hundred and ten
lunches each day, but at the moment, one hundred and
fifty go untouched by the kids who didn't like the
look of the offering. And then the principal breathlessly reported
that some have given up on the school lunches and
(15:23):
they've started bringing their own meals from home, which is
exactly what the parents should have been doing in the
first place. And what Matt hated about that is the
entitlement of those who took the meals but never needed them.
And I think it's entirely predictable offered a free meal.
Who says no, except it's not free. You and I
(15:45):
pay for it. But some parents will argue, oh, that's
us getting our tax back. We paid our taxes, we
get a free lunch for Johnny Labor. When they set
this up, thought that if one child goes hungry, then
all children should be fed, which is I got opened
up for exploitation. So how do we fix this? Well,
obviously the help should be targeted at the kids who
(16:07):
are hungry, and if a kid comes to school hungry
and empty handed, then they should be helped. So how
do we do that? And I wonder, how about a
lunch club where the children who come in without food
and are hungry put their hands up and offered a
chance to make a meal for themselves if they need it.
(16:29):
And maybe they could sit there together and make a
toasted sandwich. Maybe they could make a marm mite sandwich
and make the prime minister happy. Because remember what is
that Chinese proverb? Give a man a fish, then he
eats for a day. Teach him how to fish and
he feeds himself for a lifetime. Let's teach these kids
how to make their own lunches. Andrew Dicka is twenty nine.
(16:51):
One of the great stories, of course, is the astronauts
who will be coming home. They went up there for
eight days, they've stayed up there for nine months. And
would you know it, when the spaceship arrived at the
space station, the guy who compiled in the space up
from Earth floated into the space station in an alien costume.
Speaker 9 (17:08):
Laugh.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
We're just about cried. But what a good news story.
Now on the way, we're going to talk to Callen
Proctor about a great train journey that's coming back. And later, yes,
we will talk Ukraine and Sakia. Stamer is moving into
operational phase for his military. It's all to come on
Early edition by'm Andrew Dickens and for Ryan Bridge.
Speaker 10 (17:31):
This is News Talk MD, the first word on the
News of the Day, Early Edition.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
With Andrew Dickens and one roof make your property Surgeon
symbol you talk Zippy, I.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Made rescums in for Ryan Bridge. Welcome to you of Monday.
So the big story today is that the job seecret
numbers have surged despite the government moving to cut the
beneficiaries over the past year, near the eighteen months of
their existence. So the question is why isn't it working
so far. Had a text from Hawaiana Hall on Maina.
She says, you're damned if you do, and you're damned
(18:22):
if you don't. New Zealand needs to dig its way
out of a hole. But if they try something, it
won't work. If they do nothing, they are useless. And
that is a fair point. I think the real point
here is to figure out exactly how many bludges are there.
We know it's a flat economy, so there are more
people unemployed. The question is how can we cut out
the bludges. So we'll talk about this with an employment
specialist shortly. I don't know if you've noticed it, but
(18:44):
the world and New Zealand is in a bit of
a hotspot right now. It doesn't matter why the mercury
is just rising. The country's being baked. We walk through
my local park, it looks like hay instead of verdant
green fields. And we find it reported now that Hamilton
is in a heat wave the summer, with fifteen days
where the city never dropped below twenty seven degrees. Now,
remember twenty seven degrees is what many places have. It's
(19:07):
just that we aren't used to it, and kind of
experts believe this sort of scenario could happen in Hamilton
every three and four summers, so this, in the medium
term will be the new normal. Many in Hamilton have
to say loving it twenty seven degrees is not horrific.
They are basking in a Mediterranean summer. But experts have
(19:27):
worn that the vulnerable are going to have problems going forward,
in particular the elderly. So if you are preparing for
your golden years in Hamilton, you might want to make
sure your house is nice and shady. You might want
to make sure it's well ventilated. And when you open
all the doors you get a breeze, and you might
want to get some mere conditioning in and then just
pray we have enough electricity to keep you cool in
(19:49):
summer and warm in winter. Twenty two minutes to six.
We're going around the country right now. Callum Proctor joins
us from Duneed and hello Callum.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Morning Andrew.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
The Southern is back.
Speaker 11 (20:01):
It is, yeah, well just for a limited time only
in May. Great Journeys New Zealand, which is KIWI Rail's
tourism division, is reviving the popular Southerner route and what
promises to be a bit of nostalgia This journey will
trace part of the historic rail route between Danita and
christ Church for four days from May seventeenth. Back in
(20:22):
the day it went or to Way to inv Cargol,
but at won't this time. Spokesperson Tracy Goodor says it
gives travelers a rare opportunity to immerse themselves in the
area's history and heritage. She says this route was once
a South Island travels staple before it finished in two
thousand and two.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It is very pretty, but I can tell you callum.
I'm getting texts out of South and saying it is
not this other if it doesn't come to end cargo
so that they are not happy. That's a good point.
How's Dunedin's weather.
Speaker 11 (20:50):
We've got a strong wind watch here, strong northwest gusts
ninety k's turning southwest this evening. Change in the weather
later today, occasional rain possibly heavy before that, the high
today twenty five.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Thank you so much, Claise here it joins me from
christ Which tell Claire, good morning. Did you have a
miracle in Canterbury over the weekend?
Speaker 12 (21:07):
Well, a near miracle.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Look.
Speaker 12 (21:08):
This is the story of a Salowyn couple who say
they feel lucky to be alive after a car plowed
through their bedroom while they slept.
Speaker 9 (21:15):
This was at.
Speaker 12 (21:16):
Roliston on Shillingford Boulevard at about three point forty on
Saturday morning. Llewellen ventor says he woke to a rumble
and a bang and then became trapped in a door
frame while his wife was stuck. This is crazy under
the car wheel, he says. The bedroom curtain is what
saved their lives. That stopped some of the debris and
shrapnel which was flung across the room. The pair managed
(21:37):
to escape somehow without serious injury. They got cuts and
bruises during the event. The driver moderately injured.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Didn't the guy in the house lift the car?
Speaker 12 (21:47):
It's what she says? Yeah that The wife says that
the husband pulled the car off her and she just
doesn't know how that happened. So amazing in those situations.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
What a man. What's your weather?
Speaker 12 (21:58):
Fine and gusty here today, northwesterlies developing night this morning.
The high thirty degrees.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Max told joins us Now from Wellington, hellm X.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So we've got a woman who's defording a trust so
she can go gambling yeah.
Speaker 13 (22:11):
So this was a potdoer based trust, herupu Afinaki Potidoer.
It helps the needy children and families. Aisha Warren came
on board at twenty nineteen to help with the payroll.
She would take on accounting and online banking services and
eventually started making fake invoices that led to her stealing
over a million bucks over two years, some of which,
as you say, yeah, she would waste on online gambling,
(22:35):
not an uncommon story in this country. She is forty
one now. A few days before her trial was due
to start in Wellington, she came clean admitted the charge
of obtaining by deception. This trust had been running since
the seventies. It was a proven, well oiled machine providing welfare,
health education services to the Potidoer community. In her time there,
(22:56):
the books lost over a million bucks.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I e.
Speaker 13 (22:59):
She almost drove it to the ground. She's been reminded
on bail, sentenced in July.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
And I thank you. And how's your weather?
Speaker 13 (23:06):
Partley? Cloudy, a little bit of drizzle later on, some
stronger winds this afternoon, early twenties.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And never reat a man who joined us from Aukanahalla,
and never good morning. So when you caught it. This
is where the America's Cup was based. It's a new
area of Auckland and people who live and work there
getting a bit worried about how much it costs to park.
That's right.
Speaker 14 (23:23):
So what's happened is that the businesses in Whin you'd quarter,
they're concerned about parking charges. So people now they're going
to have to pay. This is on Sundays, also on
public holidays, bringing it in line with the rest of
the CBD. So you'll remember, Andrew, that area was exempted
from parking charges and changes. This is while the wind
(23:44):
Crossing Bridge, remember that was being repaired, took months and
months and you know all those businesses there, they weren't
getting that foot traffic. Well now, the conservatory owner, Tricky
Hartley says, this is just going to add another barrier
to customers wanting to visit. It may stop people going
out there or make them. She's you know, the local
and steered.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And that bridge was always supposed to
be temporary, that's right. That's what happens when you do
things on the cheap.
Speaker 14 (24:07):
Hou'salkin's weather well cloudy today, isolated afternoon and evening showers
still warm. Twenty five is the.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
High and I thank you, and at seventeen minutes to six,
and of course the heat wave in Hamilton and the
white Kaddo. It's being pointed out in the text of
course big farming area. So yes, some people are enjoying
the hot weather, but that doesn't bring showers of rain,
which is needed for growing grass, for feeding stock, which
is the backbund of our economy. So that's the thing
I mean. While someone else is Hamilton was hotter in
(24:35):
nineteen thirty four, that is true, So this is not
a new high. That's misinformation. Never said that. What I
said was they're now saying these sorts of summers three
and every four. It's hot enough to be a problem.
It is seventeen minister six terrible, terrible nightclub fire in
Macedonia and people have been arrested for it. It's the
(24:55):
old you know, let's let off some fire weeks inside scenario.
So we'll cover this. And also UK prison sekir Stammer
saying that they are moving to an operational phase in
the Ukraine. This is the UK. So Gavin Gray is
next from the UK on newstalksb.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
International correspondence with Insigneye Insurance Peace of Mind for New
Zealand business at the time.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Right now, it's fourteen to nine on Monday, the seventeenth
of match s Patrick's day and off to the UK.
We go and Gvin Greg, good morning to you either Andrew.
Terrible fire in the nightclub in North Macedonia, people killed
and people arrested for courting it.
Speaker 7 (25:36):
Yes, that's right, I'm afraid really grim death toll on
the rise. It's at least fifty nine people with ages
so far between fourteen and twenty four years old in
a nightclub, one hundred and fifty five injured, eighteen said
to be critical condition with burns. What we believe happened
is one thousand, five hundred people packed into and around
(25:58):
the Pulse nightclub in a town roughly one hundred kilometers
east of the capital of North Macedonia, towards the sort
of yeah, towards the border with Bulgaria, and they were
there to see a hip hop duo called d NK.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Now.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
The problem is it appears that during the concert there
was a pyrotechnic device. Sparks from that hit the ceiling,
and the ceiling was made of highly flammable material and
it just went up incredibly quickly, say our witnesses, and
of course there was a stampede for the exit, so
it really really awful. We believe the government is set
(26:36):
to declare seven days in national mourning and now demand
urgent inspections of all nightclubs and restaurants used to host
large gatherings. And yes, we do believe that four arrest
warrants have been issued and one person so far has
been arrested.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It just reminds me of a story out of America.
And this is like twenty years ago Ben called Great
White were playing. They had pyrotechnics and one hundred people died.
More than one hundred people died. You just don't do
pirate tics indoors, particularly in the smaller venues. But there
we go. So apparently the United Kingdom is now into
an operational phase in Ukraine.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Yes, so there was that phone call, wasn't there a
virtual call between hosted by the British Prime Minister, but
involving New Zealand, Australia, Canada, members of the Commonwealth, but
also nearly two dozen European countries too, with Japan as
well apparently set to offer assistance for what's being called
the Coalition of the Willing.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
What do we mean?
Speaker 7 (27:28):
We mean that if and when there is a cease
far between Ukraine and Russia, that the Coalition of the
Willing really does think there needs to be some kind
of a peacekeeping force on site. America says it's not convinced,
but plenty of people who simply do not trust Vladimir
Putin to stay out of Ukraine even after that cease far.
(27:50):
So we're going to, I think, get more details on Thursday,
where due to have a meeting of military leaders to
put what are being called strong and robust plans in place. However,
I have to be honest Andrew, some of the details
on this are really sketchy. It all sounds promising, but
until there is actually this agreement, and then until the
Coalition has got its act together with exactly what it's
(28:12):
going to offer, we won't really know how effective it is.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Kevin Gray out of the UK, I thank you. Apparently
I just said it's fourteen to nine. I had no idea.
I said that it is now eleven to six.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Well, it seems the government's plan to get people off
the job seeker benefit hasn't been as successful as they
would wish. The statistics show there's been a twelve percent
increase in people getting assistance in the past year. That's
twenty two thousand more kiwis receiving financial support on the
job seeker alone. That's the size of levin. So is
this not working? Why is it not working? And could
(28:51):
it work? Max Whitehead is an employment relation specialist with
the white Head Group and joins me this morning. Good
morning to you, Max, Hey, Andrew.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Wow, look it's not good these numbers.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
No, the way are the numbers dropping? I mean, they
put penalties in place, they put more hoops for people
to jump through. Why did it not work?
Speaker 9 (29:09):
Well, it seems to me that the government has really
got an impression that this country's made up of larger businesses.
But I may not have said it so often. Ninety
seven percent of all the enterprises in New Zealand a
small businesses. And that's the problem. And they're small. They
don't have a lot of large money for robotics and
AI and all these other special things that are really
(29:30):
making the world hum At the moment, and so we're
at the rock bottom of our productivity in the whole OECD.
So what's happening is our companies are inefficiently ineffective and
we're still our talent is just leaving in droves and
you know, the brain brain as they call it. But
(29:51):
it certainly is affecting small business. I know of so
many businesses now that are going to shut their door
or have done. And even in our family there's three
people that we know of who are terrified right now.
They are about to lose their jobs and they can't
find anything else. It really is affecting the real people
(30:12):
of New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Okay, so the productivity, the lack of productivity is affecting us.
But there's also the belief, and you'll hear it on talkback,
is that there are so many people enjoying the lifestyle
of being on a benefit, supplementing it with cash jobs
or unreported side hustles or crime or whatever. The question
is how many people are routing us? How many many
blodges do we have? Is that number in the tens
(30:34):
of thousands or is it a smaller than we might reckon?
Speaker 9 (30:38):
Well, I believe there might have been a lot of
that after COVID because they quite enjoyed the staying at home.
But Lark, but I think it's not as bad as
it used to be. There are some people out there,
but I think those numbers are small. But I think
what is more concerning for New Zealand, and I think
our productivity shows it is that the talents leaving and drows. Yes,
(31:00):
some people are staying home, but I think what we
ought to be seeing Andrew that the answer to this
is that government should stop. They've done a wonderful job
blocking leakage of money out of the system, but look
at what they learn need to do is focus on
productivity and get incentives in place so the home loans
are then redirected into business loans, and also maybe put
(31:23):
some assistance in for helping businesses understand better robotics AI
get these things are automation going into the workplace is
a lot better.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
You know, like.
Speaker 9 (31:33):
Farmers, for example, all around the world they are using
well they don't even drive tractors anymore, they set them
on their way and the way they go. There's so
much to be that could be done. Get our productivity
up into make some more of effective.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Nation Max, I thank you so much, New storksb And
here's the thing. Overall numbers of people on the benefit
did actually drop by one point three percent, so it
is working, it's only working slowly. And as Max, we've
got to get our productivity out. It is our seven
to six.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
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Speaker 2 (32:14):
It'd be I'd like to take a wanning to Roy
and Roy would like me to mention the fact which
has not been mentioned so far, that the Chiefs had
a good win. But of course that was Friday, that
was years ago, and yes, twenty three, twenty two over
the Blues, and that is the top team visits the
bottom team and that was a close and that was
a rip roaring game, which shows you just how good
super rugby is. And Mike Hoskin joins you now Warriors
one and the Warriors one they won, they won well.
(32:36):
I thought Mount Smart magic because we've seen Mount Smart
look great for AUCHANDFC. It was just rocking for the
Warriors and the boys were on fire.
Speaker 15 (32:43):
Absolutely brilliant. But you know, are they on fire next week?
You know what I found interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Raymond Travis came out of the show this morning and said, gee,
that Melvine Grand Prix was terrible, but you and I went, no,
it wasn't, no, no, romand doesn't have a clue what
he's talking about. It came down to a fight out
between the two. B If you can't.
Speaker 15 (32:59):
Enjoy what happened in Melbourne yesterday, then that's not your
sport now clearly, because that was all there. I mean,
you know, the skill required just to stay on the
track was exceptional because a lot didn't. And this guy Antonelli,
who's this kid at Mercedes that Toto Wolf has been
had his eye on for years proved himself to come
from the back of the field to well. He finished fourth,
but got a penalty so he finished fifth. But I
(33:21):
mean that was exceptional. The whole the whole weekend was
phenomenal in terms of skill required and what you saw
and carnage and unpredictability and you know, getting to Impoor
oldly a disaster of a week.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Q two. His car broke down, then crashed. He broke down.
Speaker 15 (33:35):
He had a new wing put on, so in the
pit lane the car was slow, like the tires were wrong.
Tires were wrong. The pit strategy was a problem. So
there was a little bit of him in there. I
think he wasn't driving car very well and there's a
little bit of the car in there. So they got
sprint weekend, by the way, in China this weekend, so
that means you've got less practice time. You've got to
go into a sprint race as well as a Grand Prix.
So he's got his work cut out for what do
(33:57):
you do today?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Well, we'll do that.
Speaker 15 (33:59):
We've announced we're going to start an FTA with India,
so that's exciting. Trade Minister is in India, so he's
Withers and Winston Peters is in Washington. Yes, here a Rubyo,
so all took tim as well.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah great, So good programming. I thank you, and my
thanks to producer Kensey. My name is Andrew Dickens. See
you tomorrow May.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
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