February 17, 2025 • 34 mins
On the Early Edition Full Show Podcast for Tuesday the 18th of February, the European Union holds an emergency national security summit with top officials in Paris, Euobserver Foreign Editor Andrew Rettman shares the latest.
Genesis Boss Malcom Johns tells Andrew Dickens, how Genesis plans for any potential energy shortfalls this winter.
A new programme has launched directly connecting high school students with the manufacturing industry.
And Andrew believes the Government needs to act fast to save our engineers from leaving the country.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the insight.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Andrew Dickens on early edition with one roof make your
Property search simple News Talks.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It'd be well.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Good morning to you and thank you for choosing the program.
Coming up over the next hour. In a moment our
Genesis is buying up hundreds of thousands of tons of
coal to ensure against the winter electricity crisis. You're going
to be surprised at just how dependent we still are
on that fossil fuel. We're talking to the Genesis CEO
very shortly. A new Earners Who Learn scheme aims to
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get more youngsters into manufacturing. So how does it work?
That story in ten Will Australia cut interest rates today?
Donald Demeyo just after the fivethirty news and the big
Ukraine summit is today. We will take you live to
France for the latest just before six. We're gonna have
correspondence from right around the world and this country will
have news as it breaks. You can contribute by texting.
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If you want, you can write me an email Dickens
at News Talks thereb dot co dot nz. It's coming
up eight a half to.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Five the agenda.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
It is Tuesday, the eighteenth of February. First to Paris,
where European leaders have been gathering at the Elise Palace
for an emergency meeting. Leaders will discuss national security concerns
ahead of a meeting between US officials and Russia. That
meeting happening in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I can't think of a meeting with such high profile
people making there way to Paris organized as quickly as
this has been, and yet French officials really doing all
they can not to look rattled. We've been hearing yesterday
Becky from the French Foreign Minister, to speak on French
radio saying, look, these meetings happen all the time. In
Manuar Marco himself tweeting that this was an informal meeting.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And while that's happening in Paris, Russian Foreign Minister Sir
Guy Levov is flying to Saudi Arabia to meet US officials.
He says there's no role for Europe in any peace talks.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Trump has already shown that he's quite supported of the
Russian side. He's shown empathy for the reasons of the invasion.
He's called Putin a genius and he himself, since he
came back to office, has been an expansionist. He's talked
about taking territory in Greenland, in Canada and Panama, so
him and Putin are on very much the same wavelength.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And finally to Rome where Pope Francis is being treated
for a complex clinical situation and will remain in hospital
for as long as necessary. The eighty eight year old
was admitted to Rome's Gamelli Hospital on Friday local time
to undergo treatment and tests for bronchitis. But now the
Vatican says he's got what's called polymicrobial and fiction of
his respiratory track, so they've had to change his treatment.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
And of course there will be concerned given his age
and given his past conditions with lung problems. He's in
the Gemelli Hospital in Rome, which has a suite which
has used for treating Popes Francis has been treated there before.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I was in Rome last year. I can tell you
the Italians and the Romans they love Frank. It is
a nine after five.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
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Youth Talk said be so.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Each day I walk around my suburb, you know, the
ten thousand steps and all that gotta keep fit somehow.
And there's great excited right now, and the walk is
really entertaining because the film starring Florence Pew is shooting
in one of our streets, and the film set in
the early nineteen hundreds, So to make the local roads
look like they're from nineteen ten, they've been pouring packed
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earth onto the asphalt for hundreds of meters, so the
roads look all unformed like they were back in the day.
This is a huge project. There are six diggures there,
there are trucks full of fill. There are frontend loaders,
and there are rollers, and there's an army of gardeners
who are transforming the gardens, and there's a suite of
painters who are repainting entire houses and making sure that
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the color system looks like it did back in the
nineteen hundreds. And all this because someone in Hollywood decided
to throw money at it. This is overseas foreign investment
made solid and fun, and the contractors working on the
set are loving the cash. And that's what it's about.
The whole project has happened because of tax credits given
by the government to film. Some opponents of those credits say, well,
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it's debatable whether the taxpayers make on the deal. But
go and talk to those contractors. Those contractors employed say
they are making on the deal. It's keeping their light
machinery business alive for another week. It's all about cash flow.
And this is a concrete example of a foreign tax
exemption making cash flow, making stuff happen in this country.
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So let it happen. Let it happen all over the place,
because it works.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
The count ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Hey, So the big story today is the fact that
we're all leaving country, and not only that, it's all
the youngsters. Nearly forty percent of the Kiwis who left
the country last year were raged under thirty new migration
datis shows as New Zealand experience its largest calendar year
net loss of citizens. Could I just repeat that our
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largest calendar year net loss of citizens. Seventy two thousand
citizens left the country, which more than off set the
twenty four thy nine hundred arrivals. So we're leaving, but
people aren't coming in to take their places. There was
a net migration loss there for forty seven one hundred
New Zealand citizens last year. This compares to the loss
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of forty three thousand, three hundred and twenty twenty three.
No one says it's good. It's good because it is
not good. No one wants it to continue. And yes,
you could say it's always happened. I mean, I left
to try my luck overseas, but I came back because
this is still home. But this is a big number.
And these are not just ambitious people. We've always had
ambitious people leaving the country to go to, you know,
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a bigger pond, to be a fish in a bigger pond.
Now these are not ambitious people. I would actually call
these people economic refugees. They're getting on a boat and
they're heading somewhere hopefully better. And you know, sometimes we
look around the world and we see the Third World
refugees leaving their countries and taking risks. But really, is
what is happening here really any different, except we're not
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getting into some dodgy boat with some dodgy person. Runner. Now,
in a few minutes time, I'm going to tell you
where our engineers are at, and that's not good. And
later on Brad Olsten is on the Mike hosting breakfast
to break down the numbers for you here on NEWSTALKSB.
Now we are importing coal big time and we'll give
you the details about this. From the Genesis CEO, Malcolm John's.
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He's with me next. It is thirteen after five.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
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Speaker 3 (06:51):
It's the biggest loss of people for five years. What's
your thoughts about this? Ninety two ninety two. Now, after
last year's energy shortfall, Genesis has beefed up up at
stockpile at the Huntley power station. It already has five
hundred thousand tons of coal. There's another five hundred thousand
on the way. That's a million tons of coal. All
of this just in case rain doesn't top up our
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hydro lakes in time. So I'm joined now by the
Genesis Chief executive, Malcolm John's. Hello, Malcolm, good morning, How
are you good? That's an awful lot of coal. Where
do you keep it?
Speaker 7 (07:24):
We pop it just out behind the power station at Huntley.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It's a big mountain of stuff.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
It's a big mountain of coal.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, exactly where do you get it from.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
We bring it in from Indonesia.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Why can't you use New Zealand coal.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
Well, when Huntley Power Station was built, it was built
for a very specific chemical compound of coal which was
found in the mines behind Huntley. Those mines are now
predominantly exhausted. So we can buy some New Zealand coal.
But to put that into perspective, we buy New Zealand
can supply about tea or twenty thousand tons a year,
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which is well short of a million tons that we need.
So Indonesia is the only other country that has mines
with the same chemical compound of coal that Huntley needs
at the moment.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Would you describe the coal as high grade?
Speaker 7 (08:16):
Yes, it is. It's less about the grade of it,
more about the way that coal is used is you
crush it into a talcum powder and it gets injected
into the furnaces, and the furnaces are designed for a
certain chemical compound of coal. When you start to move
away from that chemical compound, the furnace has become less
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efficient and you get less energy or less electricity out
of every ton of coal.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
So a million times of Indonesian coal. How concerned are
you about a possible energy shortfall again this year.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
Well, we're doing what we can in terms of ensuring
that Huntley is able to contribute to the system. Huntley
is New Zealand's largest electricity generation site and we have
three two hundred and forty megawatt rankin units at Huntley
that produce the electricity, and those units can consume up
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to nine thousand tons of coal a day when they're
running at full capacity. We had to run them at
full capacity last winter and we worked our way through
about eight hundred thousand tons of coal. So a million
tons of coal is about appropriate for what we believe
we can genuinely put through the machines.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
This shows you that we just do not have enough electricity,
doesn't it. I mean, what else could we do to
actually secure our supply without having to burn the coal.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
Well, I think the first thing we've got to remember
is New Zealand is roughly eighty five percent renewable electricity.
Now that's in the top five countries in the world.
And the reality of that is that we rely on
a hydro scheme and wind as big parts of those
and unfortunately, sometimes it doesn't rain and it doesn't blow
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and Unfortunately, on top of that is that when it
doesn't rain, it also doesn't blow, and so there's a
correlation between rain droughts and wind droughts. Last winter we
had both a rain and a wind drought and there
just simply wasn't enough gas left in New Zealand to
back the system up.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Was Lake Onslow a missed opportunity.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
Look, I think there's lots of people with different views
on how you solve this issue. I just think it's
important to remember that at eighty five percent renewable, you're
talking about roughly one or two years every five year
cycle that you need to you rely on thermal generation
to genuinely back up the system. New Zealand by twenty
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thirty five will probably be around ninety five percent renewable generation.
That'll be one of the best in the world, but
we're probably likely to never get to one hundred percent
renewable generation. Genuinely. We'll need some form of them all
in the system to keep the lights on when the
rain doesn't come and the wind doesn't blow.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
All right, thank you so much for your time, mates.
And that is Malcolm John's who is the CEO of
Genesis A million tons coming to keep our power on.
It's quite amazing, isn't it. And it shows you to
get to the renewable. It's an evolution, not a revolution. Meanwhile,
the big story of courses about the fact that all
our kids are leaving town and going to other countries
because of the economy. So here is a story coming
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up next all about keeping kids here earning as they learn.
Details Next, it is now twenty past five.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
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Speaker 3 (11:50):
Said be it's five twenty two. Thank you so much
for joining us. So hands on experience qualifications and they
get a paycheck. These are all on off as to
high school students under a new program directly connecting them
with the manufacturing industry. It's part of the effort to
reduce our skills shortage. And the pilot has launched in
the White Cattle and Advancing manufacturer. Our tail Row CEO
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Catherine lies with me now Hello Catherine.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
Hello, Hello Andrew, how are you?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I'm very good. How does this work?
Speaker 8 (12:19):
So we yeah, so we launched the program yesterday, So
we welcomed twenty students into the thirty week program. And
so it really started, I'll sort of take a step back.
It really started as out as a seed of an
idea a couple of years ago between a group of
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world class Whitehaddow manufacturers to address their biggest challenge, as
you say, the attraction and development of the workforce. So
we quickly assembled a team to design and develop and
endorse the New Zealand Certificate of Manufacturing. So we brought
together hunger Azo, the Workforce to Element Council for Manufacturing
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and Engineering, because we need them to endorse the program
to ensure we get the NZQA approval. We brought together
wind Tech who would actually help assist industry with the
design and development of the program. We brought together WEKKA,
who are the Wykatto Engineering Careers Association, who would promote
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and market this opportunity to twenty three high schools throughout
the Wye Cato region, and of course ourselves.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
So what do they learn? What do they learn, and
what do they earn? And how do they do it?
And who's paying?
Speaker 9 (13:35):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (13:36):
Yeah, so this this is a thirty week program. They
will spend two days in the classroom at wind Tech
and then three days per week for ten weeks with
one manufacturer. Then for the next ten week block they
will move to another manufacturer for experience, and then for
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the final ten week block they'll have experience with another
So they'll each student will gain experience and exposure into
three different manufacturing businesses and they will earn that the
businesses have all agreed to commit to pay these students
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that are now full time students with wind Tech the
minimum wage plus one dollar.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Wow. That is so good. Catherine, thank you so much
for keeping our kids here. That's Catherine Lai from Advancing
Manufacturing al Terro. She's the CEO. It is five twenty five.
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It's Use Talks it B. I'm Andrew Dickens. It is
now five twenty seven. So the government says they're all
about growth. The government says they're laser focused on growth.
The government says they're going to stop saying no and
they're going to start saying yes. So why on the
weekends was Engineering New Zealand calling the government out for
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gaslighting about and it's going for growth strategy. They accused
the government of talking up infrastructure development and yet in
the last fifteen months since the formation of the government,
they have stalled, frozen and dumped various state funded building
plans with the aim of deficit and debt reduction. And
we're seeing it. It's the cancelation of education rebuilds, the
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shutdown of hospital builds and upgrades, the slow down on roading,
and the changes in the Three Waters space as well.
I mean, you can say what you want about co governors,
but at the end of the day, Three Waters was
about building some more dams. It's all meant that New
Zealand engineers and New Zealand constructors, the people who build
the roads and the water networks and the buildings have
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all had to look for work elsewhere and that has
seen people heading overseas or contracting to work overseas, and
it's insignificant numbers, says Engineering New Zealand. Engineering New Zealand
says large infrastructure firms in Australia are rapidly hiring large
numbers of New Zealand engineers. Engineering New Zealand says other
engineers have been lured to California to help with the rebuild.
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After last month's devastating wildfires. Engineering New Zealand urges the
government to free up funds for the delivery and firm
up the infrastructure pipeline or in the immortal words of
Mike Hosking, Engineering New Zealand is saying, just do something, dickens.
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So the Prime Minister is on with Mike actually later
on today to have a chat about this. He'll talk
about the engineering and he'll ask him are you doing
anything about it? But it is a worry when you're
best to go and aren't they it's just not good.
Halburg's are on tonight as well. I might see if
I can talk about that. It is tough being a
judge with the Halburg Awards. It's on at the Spark Arena,
sixty second edition, three years as the passing of Sir
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Murray Halburg. What a remarkable man, what an athlete, and
what a benefactor. But I pitied the judges to tea
more about that a little bit later on, and we'll
go right around the country and before six we will
take you to Paris, France, where the world is meeting.
We're not all the world, but a lot of the
world is meeting to discuss Ukraine and Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Where the first word on the News of the Day
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Speaker 2 (17:37):
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Speaker 1 (17:41):
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harp is never gonna di baby that diamond.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Good morning, Welcome to the TUTA. I'm Andrew Dickens. So
the Hawgs are on tonight at Spark Arena. I pitied
the judges. I mean, how do you judge this thing?
New Zealand sports people have never been so successful, and
how do you separate them and how do you rank
their performance against each other when they're all in such
diverse things. So look, let's just look at the Sportsman
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of the Year nominated. He's okay. We've got a couple
of gold medalists from Paris, Finn Butcher in the canoe,
Stalem hamus Kerr he did the high jump, remember him.
James McDonald is nominated. This is a rare honor for
horse racing. Normally they don't get a sea and Hayden
Wild of course from triathm what a good bloke he is.
And the magnificent Chris Wood who's the striker for Nottingham
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Forest these days, and he's our All White captain. Now,
at first glance at that list, who might you say?
You might say Hamish Kerr, because to be the man
who can jump the highest in the world as a
singular talent. But then how do you separate him from
Chris Wood, who is doing remarkable things in the most
competitive football league in the world. I'd say another weird
thing about Chris Wood. This is the first time he's
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ever been nominated. He's our All White captain. He's a
goal scoring machine. He's been at the top of his
game for a long time. He should have been nominated before,
and that's because the Holbergs have always favored medalists and
things like the Olympic and Comwealth Games. But maybe those
days have changed. But I asked you, where's Liam Lawson
on that list? As you while we're talking about motor racing,
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where's Scott mcglochan or Scott Dixon or Shane Gisbergen On
the women's list? Where was lulusun lu Lusan made it
to the last eight at Wimbledon but didn't even get
a nomination this year. So Michael Burgess from The Herald
has written today that we need a new category here
recans we need a best achievement in a global sport
and I wouldn't disagree with that. Looking forward to the show,
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looking forward to the debates and the conversations about the winners,
and that is tonight at Spark Arena. It is twenty
two to six.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Andrew Dickens time.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
To go right around the country and Callum Procter joins
us from Dunedin. Haller Callum morning, Andrew. Are people really
harassing sea lions for social media? Yeah? Look, you wouldn't
believe it, but they are.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
The sea lions are very prevalent on the beaches around
Dneda and Otago this season and a local conservation group
is slamming those who are harassing them. The New Zealand
Sea Lions Trust says these issues are on the rise
as both tourist sand locals continue to engage in poor
behavior with the animals. Look, they say, people are openly
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and brazenly breaching the Marine Mammal Protection Act. Apparently there's
been recorded cases of sand rocks and even apples being
thrown at these sea lions just to capture their attention
for a selfie. The Trust says that they're asking for
anyone who spots poor behavior with sea lions to report
it to authorities.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
That's wrong with people. How's your weather?
Speaker 10 (20:46):
It's not good, few showers, possibly heavy and thundery today.
Nor Easterly is in a high of twenty three.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I thank you Claise here, we're joined us in Christia Teleclaire.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
So one of the country's biggest festivals is spending an
awful lot of money on security half a million dollars.
Speaker 11 (21:00):
Why has that an awful lot on security? Andrew, Look,
this is christ Church is Electric Avenue Festival, which returns
to the city on Friday. This year is the first
time it's going to be over two days now. We've
got more than seventy thousand people expected to pack out
Hagley Park in order to go to this festival. They'll
see acts like The Prodigy and Chasing Status.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
Now.
Speaker 11 (21:21):
The event costs about twelve million dollars to stage, and
four hundred thousand dollars of that is dedicated to security.
We spoke with festival director Color Mitchell, who says it's
needed because fence jumping is a problem for these sold
out events. He says the perimeter this year will be
double fenced with around one hundred yards on golf carts,
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ready to extract people after they do make it over
that first fence.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Gosh, okay, that's dead. I have broken into Western Springs
to see a concert once and jumped onto a tree
and when they're all the way down, I was young
and stupid and foolish, and never do it again. Now,
how's the weather in Christchurch?
Speaker 11 (21:58):
Well, it's rainy here to start, there is the chance
of some showers continuing into the late afternoon, thundery showers.
Actually friish northeasterly is easing and a high of twenty six.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Max told joins us from Wellington. Hello Max, good morning.
So flights between Wellington and Timaru are disappearing at an
alarming rate.
Speaker 12 (22:15):
You nailed it. This just happens to be something that's
affected me personally as well. My parents lived down south.
The last two times I've tried to fly to Timudu.
On one occasion for my brother's wedding. Actually the flight
was canceled at the last moment. Passengers who often fly
the Wellington Temudou route have similar tales as me. It
prompted our newsroom to ask about the cancelation rate. Last
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year for the service it was eleven percent, so that's
worse than one in ten flights being canceled. The national
cancelation rate for Air New Zealand is, for reference, just
over one percent. A New South Island minister James Meagher,
he's from those ways. He's frustrated. He's been speaking to
Air New Zealand trying to get to the bottom of this.
He says this is a barrier to regional growth. Timuru
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Mayor and Nigel Bowens says there's been a lot of
confidence in the service in the town, but he's still
urging locals to keep trying, keep buying flights because if
they don't, they'll lose the service In New Zealand. It
blames a range of factors like weather, labor shortages, and
engineering and technical issues.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
All right, how's weather.
Speaker 12 (23:23):
It gets better as the day goes on, sunny spells
later strong northwesteries twenty three the high Central.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Thank you Neva Lettiman who.
Speaker 13 (23:31):
Welcome greetings, good morning. They want to move qu yes,
well why flooding? Flooding the old risk so Auckland councils
found no viable solution. This is to qmu's history of floods.
They did have a public meeting last night, about two
hundred people turned up to discuss this issue, and Rodney,
Council of Greek Sayers says, Look, within the next ten
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years or so, the Township Center will have to move.
He sees the Council's going to identify some new land
that'll probably be to all to a pie and this
will be you know, obviously flat land that's not flood prone,
so this will be an ongoing issue.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yere, Why did they build it there in the first place.
Speaker 13 (24:08):
Well, yeah, well that was probably before the flood's happened
and everything else.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
The floods have always happened there, and they knew it.
I've seen water diagrams of that area. It's always been
a flood plan, and yet they thought they could mitigate it.
There's an idea for a one hundred and sixty three
dollars one hundred and sixty three million dollar dam to
stop the water coming down, but nobody's got that money
these days.
Speaker 13 (24:25):
No, Well that's right. Well that's a big thing, isn't it.
It's all about money, no one is it?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Moving at Township is a big thing. How's Hawkin's weather?
Speaker 13 (24:33):
Okay? Well, it's just going to be hot and humid
again today, very muggy showers becoming few and far between.
This morning, long sunny spells developing. Twenty seven is the high.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And I thank you now. Textas are coming in. Luca
has texted in about my conversation about the engineers. It's
Dr Richard Templer actually wrote a lot of that stuff
for Engineering New Zealand. Very very smart man. And as
Luke says, design engineers and engineering trades people aren't just
born with their set squares pencil or a welding gun
in hand, and you don't just magic these people up.
Years of training are involved. This is right, Luke, and
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so we can't let them go. We need to keep
hold of them and our tight hands and never let
them go. And yet we are right now. As soon
as you stop funding infrastructure projects, they go because they
want to work. The Prime Ministers on with Mike later today,
but next we're off to Australia. Will they cut their
interest rates? And we're also going to talk about naming cyclones,
(25:24):
which I think is a fascinating science.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
If The time is now thirteen minutes to six, will
take you to Paris very shortly as the Ukraine summit
gets underway at the Elisa Palace. But right now we're
off to Australia and its good morning to donand Mayo,
good morning to you. Will the Reserve Bank cut your
interest rates today? Oh?
Speaker 14 (25:48):
Wow?
Speaker 15 (25:49):
Is Australia about to enter a new economic era? That's
the question apparently, so economists are asking ahead of today's
Reserve Bank of Australian announcement on interest rates whether this
is going to happen? Is it going to cut rates finally? Now,
this of course would raise hopes amongst mortgage holders. The
official cash rate, how has it been sitting at four
point three five percent?
Speaker 14 (26:09):
That since November twenty twenty.
Speaker 15 (26:11):
Three, So it's a long while we've been waiting. Now,
As you know, Australia's face to high inflation of late
rising living costs, and so the banks are predicting. In fact,
am Z has come out and said there might even
be two cuts this year. CBA's got us even more excited.
Speaker 14 (26:27):
Four cuts.
Speaker 15 (26:28):
Meanwhile, we've heard from an economics professor and he suggested, well,
this anticipated cycle of rate cuts well, that could be
interrupted by other than the Trump administration, because we know
that they're still thinking about their tariffs and trade policies,
so that could actually influence what happens for the rest
of the year.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yes, and there's a little bit of supply chain difficulty
with all sorts of stuff. I know, our food price
indecks came out on Friday. It's gone up again, so
inflation hasn't been killed. It's the same for you guys
in Australia. By the way, New Zealand next year decides
what it's doing with its interest rates tomorrow. The ODA
is tomorrow. Now, how the Prime Minister influenced the name
(27:10):
in the cyclones.
Speaker 14 (27:12):
Well, I hope you find this as fascinating as I did,
because look, in all seriousness though, Tropical Cyclone Zelia has
just dissipated and that was a powerful Category five cyclone
that hit the coast of Western Australia.
Speaker 15 (27:23):
So there's been floods, there's been high winds, lots of
damage there.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
But in the.
Speaker 15 (27:27):
Meantime, the Bureau of Aneurology has come out and said, oh,
actually the next cyclone, we're going to have to change
the name. So what it does to name cyclones is.
It just has a list of names in alphabetical order
and it alternates by gender. The next name or is
due to b Anthony cyclone Anthony. There's never to be
a cyclone Anthony because our PM is Anthony Alberzi. So
instead they're going to jump to the next name, which
(27:49):
happens to be Alfred. The bureau says that when the
name matches a prominent person of the time, they have
to reorder the next name to avoid confusion.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Apparently, yes, I have to say, who wants to be
associated with the natural disaster, you know, especially when you're
suffering in the polls away Albanezi is. When I came
back from overseas, it was the same time that Hurricane
Andrew was happening in America, and so people actually got
some headlines out from the paper and welcoming at the airport,
going Hurricane Andrew has arrived of it you how lovely,
(28:22):
hell Donna, thank you for your time today. It is
now ten to six. So the European Union has been
holding an emergency security summit with European leaders in Paris.
The meeting was called to discuss concerns around HUIS officials
meeting with Russia to end the war in Ukraine, and
that's happening in Saudi. Andrew Ritman is the EU Observer
Foreign editor, and he joins me. Now, Hello, Andrew, Hi,
(28:47):
nice to meet you.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
Thanks for inviting me on.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
It's a pleas a remarkable meeting, A bit of a
last minute scramble.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Absolutely, yeah. I think Europe has been taken by surprise
at the speed with which the Trumpet administration has moved
with its Russia plans and as well by some of
its interventions at the Munich Security conference over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
So what are they hoping to get out of this?
And by the way, can I just say Donald Trump
has had telegraphed what he was going to do for
a very long time. I'm surprised people were surprised by it.
But now they are meeting, and now they're talking. What
do you think they are hoping to get out of it?
Speaker 9 (29:24):
Yeah, to come back to your telegraph, I think. You know,
Trump says so much and in the end does something
completely different that the fact that he's actually taken action
on this with the meeting in Dubai tomorrow is quite surprising.
But moreover, it's what has been said around it. When
his Defense secretary Pete Hesath came to Brussels last week,
(29:45):
he basically gave away the crown jewels. He said Ukraine
would have to make all the concessions if it wanted
peace with Russia and that Europe wasn't even invited to
the table. So with your question, what are they trying
to achieve the day in Paris, I think they're trying
to show that United that they're relevant, that stakeholders in this,
and that they have some answers for what's coming next.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Something that happened that has not happened for a very
long time in my lifetime is that Sakia Stamer came
out and said he is ready and willing to put
UK troops on the ground in the Ukraine. This is
a very strong stance other leaders prepared to follow.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
It's a bold move. Yeah, and I think we've heard
similar comments today from the Spanish Prime minister. The Dutch
didn't rule it out. I think even German chance that
Olive Schultz said he might go for it, which is
quite a big deal given the German Russian history around
World War Two and all the messaging there. Of course,
fans had already floated that bubble a long time ago.
(30:42):
But I think that this is the thing that's going
to come out of the summit today, a pledged by
European countries, including mister Starmer, to put together a peacekeeping
contingent in Ukraine. Now, whether we'll actually go forward with
that is another matter, because a European peacekeeping contingent and
without a US security guarantee, experts don't think that's going
(31:04):
to scare put in the way. And Pete Hegseth also
spelled out in excruciating detail that any peacekeeping force made
up of NATO allies on Ukrainian soil won't be covered
by Article five. That means that if Russia attacks them
next spring, the spring after, the Americans won't come and
bail out the Europeans. They happened since World War Two.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Okay, well, I understand the meeting has just wrapped up,
so we'll wait to see what releases come out of it.
And Andrew Ritman, I thank you so much for giving us
an insight into what is quite a remarkable day in history.
You have to say this is news talks here being
it is seven minutes to six, get.
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Speaker 3 (31:48):
Have you mentioned, of course the sportsman of the year
at the Halberg's tonight and I mentioned the name James
McDonald and horse racing, and I said, horse racing is
very really honored. I've got this text from Tom and
he says, having been a winner of every major Group
one race in Australia and New Zealand at least once,
and distinguished at both Ascot and Hong Kong numerous times,
super jockey James McDonald has now been internationally rated number
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one in the world for the second year in a row.
His nomination for New Zealand Sportsman of the Year is
long overdue. I agree, and thank you Tom. I didn't
know all that. But how do you rank him compared
to Hamish Kerr who won the high jump, And how
do you rank him versus Chris Wood who's saving Nottingham
Forrest and doing extraordinary things at the Premier League. And
the fact that Chris Wood has never been nominated until
(32:32):
this year, and yet he's been doing this stuff for
ten years. I hate to be a judge. Mike Coskin corning.
That's the problem with the judges.
Speaker 16 (32:38):
They're all sports junos.
Speaker 8 (32:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Well, Michael Burgess is in the paper today at Sports
Journo and he say we need more categories. We need
to have a global Achievement of the year sort of thing.
And there maybe people like James McDonald of Liam Lawson.
Speaker 16 (32:54):
I thought, no, so I listened to you before Lulu
Son to be not to dismiss her. She win anything
and she got lucky in a drawer. So Liam Lawson,
as much as I love him and I do, has
done nothing other than get a job. That's not a
good game. That's not when Scott Dixon did. Scott Dixon
did get not only nominated, but he won a couple
of years ago, either as man or if not the
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Supreme War. But in an Olympic year, it's always the
same thing. They can't go past a World championship or
an Olympic gold medal. And that's the beginning of the
middle and the end of it. And so there's no
nuance and suffleting to it. Unfortunately, right, here's your question. Quickly,
you're Chris Pink, do you boot the Kumar's out or not?
You see that would that be the most difficult thing.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
You would do as a minister. Yes, of course.
Speaker 16 (33:42):
And the easy thing to do would be no, you
can stay because more people would go, oh, you're a
nice guy, but that's my rules.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
That's the rules.
Speaker 16 (33:49):
Consequences that you're the nice guy. You set a precedent.
So what do you do? You see, how do you
wagh it up? He can do anything he wants apparent I.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Thought being a judge was you go and.
Speaker 16 (33:59):
That's how it works? Why Chris Lackson after seven thirty?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yes, could you ask who I am? Aout the engineering?
Thank you and thank you.
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Coming up over the next hour. In a moment our
Genesis is buying up hundreds of thousands of tons of
coal to ensure against the winter electricity crisis. You're going
to be surprised at just how dependent we still are
on that fossil fuel. We're talking to the Genesis CEO
very shortly. A new Earners Who Learn scheme aims to
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get more youngsters into manufacturing. So how does it work?
That story in ten Will Australia cut interest rates today?
Donald Demeyo just after the fivethirty news and the big
Ukraine summit is today. We will take you live to
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Speaker 1 (01:05):
Five the agenda.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
It is Tuesday, the eighteenth of February. First to Paris,
where European leaders have been gathering at the Elise Palace
for an emergency meeting. Leaders will discuss national security concerns
ahead of a meeting between US officials and Russia. That
meeting happening in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I can't think of a meeting with such high profile
people making there way to Paris organized as quickly as
this has been, and yet French officials really doing all
they can not to look rattled. We've been hearing yesterday
Becky from the French Foreign Minister, to speak on French
radio saying, look, these meetings happen all the time. In
Manuar Marco himself tweeting that this was an informal meeting.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And while that's happening in Paris, Russian Foreign Minister Sir
Guy Levov is flying to Saudi Arabia to meet US officials.
He says there's no role for Europe in any peace talks.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Trump has already shown that he's quite supported of the
Russian side. He's shown empathy for the reasons of the invasion.
He's called Putin a genius and he himself, since he
came back to office, has been an expansionist. He's talked
about taking territory in Greenland, in Canada and Panama, so
him and Putin are on very much the same wavelength.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And finally to Rome where Pope Francis is being treated
for a complex clinical situation and will remain in hospital
for as long as necessary. The eighty eight year old
was admitted to Rome's Gamelli Hospital on Friday local time
to undergo treatment and tests for bronchitis. But now the
Vatican says he's got what's called polymicrobial and fiction of
his respiratory track, so they've had to change his treatment.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
And of course there will be concerned given his age
and given his past conditions with lung problems. He's in
the Gemelli Hospital in Rome, which has a suite which
has used for treating Popes Francis has been treated there before.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I was in Rome last year. I can tell you
the Italians and the Romans they love Frank. It is
a nine after five.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
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Speaker 3 (03:16):
Each day I walk around my suburb, you know, the
ten thousand steps and all that gotta keep fit somehow.
And there's great excited right now, and the walk is
really entertaining because the film starring Florence Pew is shooting
in one of our streets, and the film set in
the early nineteen hundreds, So to make the local roads
look like they're from nineteen ten, they've been pouring packed
(03:37):
earth onto the asphalt for hundreds of meters, so the
roads look all unformed like they were back in the day.
This is a huge project. There are six diggures there,
there are trucks full of fill. There are frontend loaders,
and there are rollers, and there's an army of gardeners
who are transforming the gardens, and there's a suite of
painters who are repainting entire houses and making sure that
(03:59):
the color system looks like it did back in the
nineteen hundreds. And all this because someone in Hollywood decided
to throw money at it. This is overseas foreign investment
made solid and fun, and the contractors working on the
set are loving the cash. And that's what it's about.
The whole project has happened because of tax credits given
by the government to film. Some opponents of those credits say, well,
(04:21):
it's debatable whether the taxpayers make on the deal. But
go and talk to those contractors. Those contractors employed say
they are making on the deal. It's keeping their light
machinery business alive for another week. It's all about cash flow.
And this is a concrete example of a foreign tax
exemption making cash flow, making stuff happen in this country.
(04:44):
So let it happen. Let it happen all over the place,
because it works.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
The count ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Hey, So the big story today is the fact that
we're all leaving country, and not only that, it's all
the youngsters. Nearly forty percent of the Kiwis who left
the country last year were raged under thirty new migration
datis shows as New Zealand experience its largest calendar year
net loss of citizens. Could I just repeat that our
(05:09):
largest calendar year net loss of citizens. Seventy two thousand
citizens left the country, which more than off set the
twenty four thy nine hundred arrivals. So we're leaving, but
people aren't coming in to take their places. There was
a net migration loss there for forty seven one hundred
New Zealand citizens last year. This compares to the loss
(05:31):
of forty three thousand, three hundred and twenty twenty three.
No one says it's good. It's good because it is
not good. No one wants it to continue. And yes,
you could say it's always happened. I mean, I left
to try my luck overseas, but I came back because
this is still home. But this is a big number.
And these are not just ambitious people. We've always had
ambitious people leaving the country to go to, you know,
(05:54):
a bigger pond, to be a fish in a bigger pond.
Now these are not ambitious people. I would actually call
these people economic refugees. They're getting on a boat and
they're heading somewhere hopefully better. And you know, sometimes we
look around the world and we see the Third World
refugees leaving their countries and taking risks. But really, is
what is happening here really any different, except we're not
(06:17):
getting into some dodgy boat with some dodgy person. Runner. Now,
in a few minutes time, I'm going to tell you
where our engineers are at, and that's not good. And
later on Brad Olsten is on the Mike hosting breakfast
to break down the numbers for you here on NEWSTALKSB.
Now we are importing coal big time and we'll give
you the details about this. From the Genesis CEO, Malcolm John's.
(06:40):
He's with me next. It is thirteen after five.
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Speaker 3 (06:51):
It's the biggest loss of people for five years. What's
your thoughts about this? Ninety two ninety two. Now, after
last year's energy shortfall, Genesis has beefed up up at
stockpile at the Huntley power station. It already has five
hundred thousand tons of coal. There's another five hundred thousand
on the way. That's a million tons of coal. All
of this just in case rain doesn't top up our
(07:12):
hydro lakes in time. So I'm joined now by the
Genesis Chief executive, Malcolm John's. Hello, Malcolm, good morning, How
are you good? That's an awful lot of coal. Where
do you keep it?
Speaker 7 (07:24):
We pop it just out behind the power station at Huntley.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It's a big mountain of stuff.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
It's a big mountain of coal.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, exactly where do you get it from.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
We bring it in from Indonesia.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Why can't you use New Zealand coal.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
Well, when Huntley Power Station was built, it was built
for a very specific chemical compound of coal which was
found in the mines behind Huntley. Those mines are now
predominantly exhausted. So we can buy some New Zealand coal.
But to put that into perspective, we buy New Zealand
can supply about tea or twenty thousand tons a year,
(08:02):
which is well short of a million tons that we need.
So Indonesia is the only other country that has mines
with the same chemical compound of coal that Huntley needs
at the moment.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Would you describe the coal as high grade?
Speaker 7 (08:16):
Yes, it is. It's less about the grade of it,
more about the way that coal is used is you
crush it into a talcum powder and it gets injected
into the furnaces, and the furnaces are designed for a
certain chemical compound of coal. When you start to move
away from that chemical compound, the furnace has become less
(08:38):
efficient and you get less energy or less electricity out
of every ton of coal.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
So a million times of Indonesian coal. How concerned are
you about a possible energy shortfall again this year.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
Well, we're doing what we can in terms of ensuring
that Huntley is able to contribute to the system. Huntley
is New Zealand's largest electricity generation site and we have
three two hundred and forty megawatt rankin units at Huntley
that produce the electricity, and those units can consume up
(09:15):
to nine thousand tons of coal a day when they're
running at full capacity. We had to run them at
full capacity last winter and we worked our way through
about eight hundred thousand tons of coal. So a million
tons of coal is about appropriate for what we believe
we can genuinely put through the machines.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
This shows you that we just do not have enough electricity,
doesn't it. I mean, what else could we do to
actually secure our supply without having to burn the coal.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
Well, I think the first thing we've got to remember
is New Zealand is roughly eighty five percent renewable electricity.
Now that's in the top five countries in the world.
And the reality of that is that we rely on
a hydro scheme and wind as big parts of those
and unfortunately, sometimes it doesn't rain and it doesn't blow
(10:07):
and Unfortunately, on top of that is that when it
doesn't rain, it also doesn't blow, and so there's a
correlation between rain droughts and wind droughts. Last winter we
had both a rain and a wind drought and there
just simply wasn't enough gas left in New Zealand to
back the system up.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Was Lake Onslow a missed opportunity.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
Look, I think there's lots of people with different views
on how you solve this issue. I just think it's
important to remember that at eighty five percent renewable, you're
talking about roughly one or two years every five year
cycle that you need to you rely on thermal generation
to genuinely back up the system. New Zealand by twenty
(10:53):
thirty five will probably be around ninety five percent renewable generation.
That'll be one of the best in the world, but
we're probably likely to never get to one hundred percent
renewable generation. Genuinely. We'll need some form of them all
in the system to keep the lights on when the
rain doesn't come and the wind doesn't blow.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
All right, thank you so much for your time, mates.
And that is Malcolm John's who is the CEO of
Genesis A million tons coming to keep our power on.
It's quite amazing, isn't it. And it shows you to
get to the renewable. It's an evolution, not a revolution. Meanwhile,
the big story of courses about the fact that all
our kids are leaving town and going to other countries
because of the economy. So here is a story coming
(11:34):
up next all about keeping kids here earning as they learn.
Details Next, it is now twenty past five.
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Said be it's five twenty two. Thank you so much
for joining us. So hands on experience qualifications and they
get a paycheck. These are all on off as to
high school students under a new program directly connecting them
with the manufacturing industry. It's part of the effort to
reduce our skills shortage. And the pilot has launched in
the White Cattle and Advancing manufacturer. Our tail Row CEO
(12:11):
Catherine lies with me now Hello Catherine.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
Hello, Hello Andrew, how are you?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I'm very good. How does this work?
Speaker 8 (12:19):
So we yeah, so we launched the program yesterday, So
we welcomed twenty students into the thirty week program. And
so it really started, I'll sort of take a step back.
It really started as out as a seed of an
idea a couple of years ago between a group of
(12:40):
world class Whitehaddow manufacturers to address their biggest challenge, as
you say, the attraction and development of the workforce. So
we quickly assembled a team to design and develop and
endorse the New Zealand Certificate of Manufacturing. So we brought
together hunger Azo, the Workforce to Element Council for Manufacturing
(13:01):
and Engineering, because we need them to endorse the program
to ensure we get the NZQA approval. We brought together
wind Tech who would actually help assist industry with the
design and development of the program. We brought together WEKKA,
who are the Wykatto Engineering Careers Association, who would promote
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and market this opportunity to twenty three high schools throughout
the Wye Cato region, and of course ourselves.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
So what do they learn? What do they learn, and
what do they earn? And how do they do it?
And who's paying?
Speaker 9 (13:35):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (13:36):
Yeah, so this this is a thirty week program. They
will spend two days in the classroom at wind Tech
and then three days per week for ten weeks with
one manufacturer. Then for the next ten week block they
will move to another manufacturer for experience, and then for
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the final ten week block they'll have experience with another
So they'll each student will gain experience and exposure into
three different manufacturing businesses and they will earn that the
businesses have all agreed to commit to pay these students
(14:16):
that are now full time students with wind Tech the
minimum wage plus one dollar.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Wow. That is so good. Catherine, thank you so much
for keeping our kids here. That's Catherine Lai from Advancing
Manufacturing al Terro. She's the CEO. It is five twenty five.
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It's Use Talks it B. I'm Andrew Dickens. It is
now five twenty seven. So the government says they're all
about growth. The government says they're laser focused on growth.
The government says they're going to stop saying no and
they're going to start saying yes. So why on the
weekends was Engineering New Zealand calling the government out for
(14:59):
gaslighting about and it's going for growth strategy. They accused
the government of talking up infrastructure development and yet in
the last fifteen months since the formation of the government,
they have stalled, frozen and dumped various state funded building
plans with the aim of deficit and debt reduction. And
we're seeing it. It's the cancelation of education rebuilds, the
(15:21):
shutdown of hospital builds and upgrades, the slow down on roading,
and the changes in the Three Waters space as well.
I mean, you can say what you want about co governors,
but at the end of the day, Three Waters was
about building some more dams. It's all meant that New
Zealand engineers and New Zealand constructors, the people who build
the roads and the water networks and the buildings have
(15:43):
all had to look for work elsewhere and that has
seen people heading overseas or contracting to work overseas, and
it's insignificant numbers, says Engineering New Zealand. Engineering New Zealand
says large infrastructure firms in Australia are rapidly hiring large
numbers of New Zealand engineers. Engineering New Zealand says other
engineers have been lured to California to help with the rebuild.
(16:06):
After last month's devastating wildfires. Engineering New Zealand urges the
government to free up funds for the delivery and firm
up the infrastructure pipeline or in the immortal words of
Mike Hosking, Engineering New Zealand is saying, just do something, dickens.
(16:27):
So the Prime Minister is on with Mike actually later
on today to have a chat about this. He'll talk
about the engineering and he'll ask him are you doing
anything about it? But it is a worry when you're
best to go and aren't they it's just not good.
Halburg's are on tonight as well. I might see if
I can talk about that. It is tough being a
judge with the Halburg Awards. It's on at the Spark Arena,
sixty second edition, three years as the passing of Sir
(16:48):
Murray Halburg. What a remarkable man, what an athlete, and
what a benefactor. But I pitied the judges to tea
more about that a little bit later on, and we'll
go right around the country and before six we will
take you to Paris, France, where the world is meeting.
We're not all the world, but a lot of the
world is meeting to discuss Ukraine and Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Where the first word on the News of the Day
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You talk si me diamond, You're never gonna have a
harp is never gonna di baby that diamond.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Good morning, Welcome to the TUTA. I'm Andrew Dickens. So
the Hawgs are on tonight at Spark Arena. I pitied
the judges. I mean, how do you judge this thing?
New Zealand sports people have never been so successful, and
how do you separate them and how do you rank
their performance against each other when they're all in such
diverse things. So look, let's just look at the Sportsman
(18:16):
of the Year nominated. He's okay. We've got a couple
of gold medalists from Paris, Finn Butcher in the canoe,
Stalem hamus Kerr he did the high jump, remember him.
James McDonald is nominated. This is a rare honor for
horse racing. Normally they don't get a sea and Hayden
Wild of course from triathm what a good bloke he is.
And the magnificent Chris Wood who's the striker for Nottingham
(18:38):
Forest these days, and he's our All White captain. Now,
at first glance at that list, who might you say?
You might say Hamish Kerr, because to be the man
who can jump the highest in the world as a
singular talent. But then how do you separate him from
Chris Wood, who is doing remarkable things in the most
competitive football league in the world. I'd say another weird
thing about Chris Wood. This is the first time he's
(18:59):
ever been nominated. He's our All White captain. He's a
goal scoring machine. He's been at the top of his
game for a long time. He should have been nominated before,
and that's because the Holbergs have always favored medalists and
things like the Olympic and Comwealth Games. But maybe those
days have changed. But I asked you, where's Liam Lawson
on that list? As you while we're talking about motor racing,
(19:20):
where's Scott mcglochan or Scott Dixon or Shane Gisbergen On
the women's list? Where was lulusun lu Lusan made it
to the last eight at Wimbledon but didn't even get
a nomination this year. So Michael Burgess from The Herald
has written today that we need a new category here
recans we need a best achievement in a global sport
and I wouldn't disagree with that. Looking forward to the show,
(19:41):
looking forward to the debates and the conversations about the winners,
and that is tonight at Spark Arena. It is twenty
two to six.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Andrew Dickens time.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
To go right around the country and Callum Procter joins
us from Dunedin. Haller Callum morning, Andrew. Are people really
harassing sea lions for social media? Yeah? Look, you wouldn't
believe it, but they are.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
The sea lions are very prevalent on the beaches around
Dneda and Otago this season and a local conservation group
is slamming those who are harassing them. The New Zealand
Sea Lions Trust says these issues are on the rise
as both tourist sand locals continue to engage in poor
behavior with the animals. Look, they say, people are openly
(20:25):
and brazenly breaching the Marine Mammal Protection Act. Apparently there's
been recorded cases of sand rocks and even apples being
thrown at these sea lions just to capture their attention
for a selfie. The Trust says that they're asking for
anyone who spots poor behavior with sea lions to report
it to authorities.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
That's wrong with people. How's your weather?
Speaker 10 (20:46):
It's not good, few showers, possibly heavy and thundery today.
Nor Easterly is in a high of twenty three.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I thank you Claise here, we're joined us in Christia Teleclaire.
Speaker 8 (20:54):
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
So one of the country's biggest festivals is spending an
awful lot of money on security half a million dollars.
Speaker 11 (21:00):
Why has that an awful lot on security? Andrew, Look,
this is christ Church is Electric Avenue Festival, which returns
to the city on Friday. This year is the first
time it's going to be over two days now. We've
got more than seventy thousand people expected to pack out
Hagley Park in order to go to this festival. They'll
see acts like The Prodigy and Chasing Status.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
Now.
Speaker 11 (21:21):
The event costs about twelve million dollars to stage, and
four hundred thousand dollars of that is dedicated to security.
We spoke with festival director Color Mitchell, who says it's
needed because fence jumping is a problem for these sold
out events. He says the perimeter this year will be
double fenced with around one hundred yards on golf carts,
(21:41):
ready to extract people after they do make it over
that first fence.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Gosh, okay, that's dead. I have broken into Western Springs
to see a concert once and jumped onto a tree
and when they're all the way down, I was young
and stupid and foolish, and never do it again. Now,
how's the weather in Christchurch?
Speaker 11 (21:58):
Well, it's rainy here to start, there is the chance
of some showers continuing into the late afternoon, thundery showers.
Actually friish northeasterly is easing and a high of twenty six.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Max told joins us from Wellington. Hello Max, good morning.
So flights between Wellington and Timaru are disappearing at an
alarming rate.
Speaker 12 (22:15):
You nailed it. This just happens to be something that's
affected me personally as well. My parents lived down south.
The last two times I've tried to fly to Timudu.
On one occasion for my brother's wedding. Actually the flight
was canceled at the last moment. Passengers who often fly
the Wellington Temudou route have similar tales as me. It
prompted our newsroom to ask about the cancelation rate. Last
(22:38):
year for the service it was eleven percent, so that's
worse than one in ten flights being canceled. The national
cancelation rate for Air New Zealand is, for reference, just
over one percent. A New South Island minister James Meagher,
he's from those ways. He's frustrated. He's been speaking to
Air New Zealand trying to get to the bottom of this.
He says this is a barrier to regional growth. Timuru
(23:00):
Mayor and Nigel Bowens says there's been a lot of
confidence in the service in the town, but he's still
urging locals to keep trying, keep buying flights because if
they don't, they'll lose the service In New Zealand. It
blames a range of factors like weather, labor shortages, and
engineering and technical issues.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
All right, how's weather.
Speaker 12 (23:23):
It gets better as the day goes on, sunny spells
later strong northwesteries twenty three the high Central.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Thank you Neva Lettiman who.
Speaker 13 (23:31):
Welcome greetings, good morning. They want to move qu yes,
well why flooding? Flooding the old risk so Auckland councils
found no viable solution. This is to qmu's history of floods.
They did have a public meeting last night, about two
hundred people turned up to discuss this issue, and Rodney,
Council of Greek Sayers says, Look, within the next ten
(23:52):
years or so, the Township Center will have to move.
He sees the Council's going to identify some new land
that'll probably be to all to a pie and this
will be you know, obviously flat land that's not flood prone,
so this will be an ongoing issue.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yere, Why did they build it there in the first place.
Speaker 13 (24:08):
Well, yeah, well that was probably before the flood's happened
and everything else.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
The floods have always happened there, and they knew it.
I've seen water diagrams of that area. It's always been
a flood plan, and yet they thought they could mitigate it.
There's an idea for a one hundred and sixty three
dollars one hundred and sixty three million dollar dam to
stop the water coming down, but nobody's got that money
these days.
Speaker 13 (24:25):
No, Well that's right. Well that's a big thing, isn't it.
It's all about money, no one is it?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Moving at Township is a big thing. How's Hawkin's weather?
Speaker 13 (24:33):
Okay? Well, it's just going to be hot and humid
again today, very muggy showers becoming few and far between.
This morning, long sunny spells developing. Twenty seven is the high.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And I thank you now. Textas are coming in. Luca
has texted in about my conversation about the engineers. It's
Dr Richard Templer actually wrote a lot of that stuff
for Engineering New Zealand. Very very smart man. And as
Luke says, design engineers and engineering trades people aren't just
born with their set squares pencil or a welding gun
in hand, and you don't just magic these people up.
Years of training are involved. This is right, Luke, and
(25:04):
so we can't let them go. We need to keep
hold of them and our tight hands and never let
them go. And yet we are right now. As soon
as you stop funding infrastructure projects, they go because they
want to work. The Prime Ministers on with Mike later today,
but next we're off to Australia. Will they cut their
interest rates? And we're also going to talk about naming cyclones,
(25:24):
which I think is a fascinating science.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
If The time is now thirteen minutes to six, will
take you to Paris very shortly as the Ukraine summit
gets underway at the Elisa Palace. But right now we're
off to Australia and its good morning to donand Mayo,
good morning to you. Will the Reserve Bank cut your
interest rates today? Oh?
Speaker 14 (25:48):
Wow?
Speaker 15 (25:49):
Is Australia about to enter a new economic era? That's
the question apparently, so economists are asking ahead of today's
Reserve Bank of Australian announcement on interest rates whether this
is going to happen? Is it going to cut rates finally? Now,
this of course would raise hopes amongst mortgage holders. The
official cash rate, how has it been sitting at four
point three five percent?
Speaker 14 (26:09):
That since November twenty twenty.
Speaker 15 (26:11):
Three, So it's a long while we've been waiting. Now,
As you know, Australia's face to high inflation of late
rising living costs, and so the banks are predicting. In fact,
am Z has come out and said there might even
be two cuts this year. CBA's got us even more excited.
Speaker 14 (26:27):
Four cuts.
Speaker 15 (26:28):
Meanwhile, we've heard from an economics professor and he suggested, well,
this anticipated cycle of rate cuts well, that could be
interrupted by other than the Trump administration, because we know
that they're still thinking about their tariffs and trade policies,
so that could actually influence what happens for the rest
of the year.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yes, and there's a little bit of supply chain difficulty
with all sorts of stuff. I know, our food price
indecks came out on Friday. It's gone up again, so
inflation hasn't been killed. It's the same for you guys
in Australia. By the way, New Zealand next year decides
what it's doing with its interest rates tomorrow. The ODA
is tomorrow. Now, how the Prime Minister influenced the name
(27:10):
in the cyclones.
Speaker 14 (27:12):
Well, I hope you find this as fascinating as I did,
because look, in all seriousness though, Tropical Cyclone Zelia has
just dissipated and that was a powerful Category five cyclone
that hit the coast of Western Australia.
Speaker 15 (27:23):
So there's been floods, there's been high winds, lots of
damage there.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
But in the.
Speaker 15 (27:27):
Meantime, the Bureau of Aneurology has come out and said, oh,
actually the next cyclone, we're going to have to change
the name. So what it does to name cyclones is.
It just has a list of names in alphabetical order
and it alternates by gender. The next name or is
due to b Anthony cyclone Anthony. There's never to be
a cyclone Anthony because our PM is Anthony Alberzi. So
instead they're going to jump to the next name, which
(27:49):
happens to be Alfred. The bureau says that when the
name matches a prominent person of the time, they have
to reorder the next name to avoid confusion.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Apparently, yes, I have to say, who wants to be
associated with the natural disaster, you know, especially when you're
suffering in the polls away Albanezi is. When I came
back from overseas, it was the same time that Hurricane
Andrew was happening in America, and so people actually got
some headlines out from the paper and welcoming at the airport,
going Hurricane Andrew has arrived of it you how lovely,
(28:22):
hell Donna, thank you for your time today. It is
now ten to six. So the European Union has been
holding an emergency security summit with European leaders in Paris.
The meeting was called to discuss concerns around HUIS officials
meeting with Russia to end the war in Ukraine, and
that's happening in Saudi. Andrew Ritman is the EU Observer
Foreign editor, and he joins me. Now, Hello, Andrew, Hi,
(28:47):
nice to meet you.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
Thanks for inviting me on.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
It's a pleas a remarkable meeting, A bit of a
last minute scramble.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Absolutely, yeah. I think Europe has been taken by surprise
at the speed with which the Trumpet administration has moved
with its Russia plans and as well by some of
its interventions at the Munich Security conference over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
So what are they hoping to get out of this?
And by the way, can I just say Donald Trump
has had telegraphed what he was going to do for
a very long time. I'm surprised people were surprised by it.
But now they are meeting, and now they're talking. What
do you think they are hoping to get out of it?
Speaker 9 (29:24):
Yeah, to come back to your telegraph, I think. You know,
Trump says so much and in the end does something
completely different that the fact that he's actually taken action
on this with the meeting in Dubai tomorrow is quite surprising.
But moreover, it's what has been said around it. When
his Defense secretary Pete Hesath came to Brussels last week,
(29:45):
he basically gave away the crown jewels. He said Ukraine
would have to make all the concessions if it wanted
peace with Russia and that Europe wasn't even invited to
the table. So with your question, what are they trying
to achieve the day in Paris, I think they're trying
to show that United that they're relevant, that stakeholders in this,
and that they have some answers for what's coming next.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Something that happened that has not happened for a very
long time in my lifetime is that Sakia Stamer came
out and said he is ready and willing to put
UK troops on the ground in the Ukraine. This is
a very strong stance other leaders prepared to follow.
Speaker 9 (30:21):
It's a bold move. Yeah, and I think we've heard
similar comments today from the Spanish Prime minister. The Dutch
didn't rule it out. I think even German chance that
Olive Schultz said he might go for it, which is
quite a big deal given the German Russian history around
World War Two and all the messaging there. Of course,
fans had already floated that bubble a long time ago.
(30:42):
But I think that this is the thing that's going
to come out of the summit today, a pledged by
European countries, including mister Starmer, to put together a peacekeeping
contingent in Ukraine. Now, whether we'll actually go forward with
that is another matter, because a European peacekeeping contingent and
without a US security guarantee, experts don't think that's going
(31:04):
to scare put in the way. And Pete Hegseth also
spelled out in excruciating detail that any peacekeeping force made
up of NATO allies on Ukrainian soil won't be covered
by Article five. That means that if Russia attacks them
next spring, the spring after, the Americans won't come and
bail out the Europeans. They happened since World War Two.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Okay, well, I understand the meeting has just wrapped up,
so we'll wait to see what releases come out of it.
And Andrew Ritman, I thank you so much for giving us
an insight into what is quite a remarkable day in history.
You have to say this is news talks here being
it is seven minutes to six, get.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Ahead of the headlines on early edition Andrew Dickens and
one Room, make your Property search simple news talks it'd be.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Have you mentioned, of course the sportsman of the year
at the Halberg's tonight and I mentioned the name James
McDonald and horse racing, and I said, horse racing is
very really honored. I've got this text from Tom and
he says, having been a winner of every major Group
one race in Australia and New Zealand at least once,
and distinguished at both Ascot and Hong Kong numerous times,
super jockey James McDonald has now been internationally rated number
(32:11):
one in the world for the second year in a row.
His nomination for New Zealand Sportsman of the Year is
long overdue. I agree, and thank you Tom. I didn't
know all that. But how do you rank him compared
to Hamish Kerr who won the high jump, And how
do you rank him versus Chris Wood who's saving Nottingham
Forrest and doing extraordinary things at the Premier League. And
the fact that Chris Wood has never been nominated until
(32:32):
this year, and yet he's been doing this stuff for
ten years. I hate to be a judge. Mike Coskin corning.
That's the problem with the judges.
Speaker 16 (32:38):
They're all sports junos.
Speaker 8 (32:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Well, Michael Burgess is in the paper today at Sports
Journo and he say we need more categories. We need
to have a global Achievement of the year sort of thing.
And there maybe people like James McDonald of Liam Lawson.
Speaker 16 (32:54):
I thought, no, so I listened to you before Lulu
Son to be not to dismiss her. She win anything
and she got lucky in a drawer. So Liam Lawson,
as much as I love him and I do, has
done nothing other than get a job. That's not a
good game. That's not when Scott Dixon did. Scott Dixon
did get not only nominated, but he won a couple
of years ago, either as man or if not the
(33:16):
Supreme War. But in an Olympic year, it's always the
same thing. They can't go past a World championship or
an Olympic gold medal. And that's the beginning of the
middle and the end of it. And so there's no
nuance and suffleting to it. Unfortunately, right, here's your question. Quickly,
you're Chris Pink, do you boot the Kumar's out or not?
You see that would that be the most difficult thing.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
You would do as a minister. Yes, of course.
Speaker 16 (33:42):
And the easy thing to do would be no, you
can stay because more people would go, oh, you're a
nice guy, but that's my rules.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
That's the rules.
Speaker 16 (33:49):
Consequences that you're the nice guy. You set a precedent.
So what do you do? You see, how do you
wagh it up? He can do anything he wants apparent I.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Thought being a judge was you go and.
Speaker 16 (33:59):
That's how it works? Why Chris Lackson after seven thirty?
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yes, could you ask who I am? Aout the engineering?
Thank you and thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
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