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October 21, 2025 • 34 mins

On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast Wednesday the 22nd of October 2025, The Foreshore and Seabed Amendment Bill has passed into law, maori rights lawyer and former registrar of the waitangi tribunal Tom Bennion shares his thoughts. 

Agriculture Minister Todd McClay shares his views on farmer-shareholders voting in favour of a $270 million investment from Dawn Meats into Alliance. 

A new sector survey shows abuse toward roadworkers is out of control, Civil Contractors NZ CEO Alan Pollard tells Ryan why the problem is getting worse. 

Plus UK/ Europe Correspondent Gavin Grey has the latest on Nicolas Sarkozy becoming the first French ex-president to go to jail.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
There'd be Good Morning's Wednesday six after five. We'll look
at the maccabill that cassed in parliament last night in Paris.
Nicholas Sarkozy's in jail right now. We'll go to a
correspondent on that road cones. Are they driving road rage
in New Zealand? And we'll speak to Todd McLay, Agricultural
Minister on alliance but also the dairy auction. The agenda Wednesday,

(00:32):
the twenty second of October. Japan has a new Prime minister,
so nah Ataka each year is her name. We've spoken
about her on the show before. She's conservative, she's Nationalists. Well,
she's a woman and first time they've done that. Also,
big fan of Maggie Thatcher.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
We need to have easy of the Paris from the
United States. It is very important to have wiscontrol. We
are going to change your future anxiety for wish hooks
and he's going to have a ball.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Plus and Israel they're trying to keep a lid on
the ceasefire. Jd vances there.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Every time that there is an act of violence, there's
this inclination to say, oh, this is the end of
the ceasefire, this is the end of the peace plan.
It's not the end. It is in fact exactly how
this is going to have to happen when you have
people who hate each other, who have been fighting against
each other for a very long time. We are doing
very well. We are in a very good place. We're
going to have to keep working on it, but I

(01:27):
think we have the team to.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Do exactly that. You'll remember they say he said that
Sarkozy took money from Gaddafi in Libya, while he has
become the first French ex president to go to jail.
This is over that scandal for the.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Hold of France.

Speaker 6 (01:41):
This is a shocking and quite unusual movement, whether you
are for him or against and so yes, he's gone
in making quite clear he does not want to have
any special favors done. He did not ask to be
put in the isolation wing, but he was put there
for his own safety by the prison authorities.

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Speaker 2 (02:11):
Me nine two nine two. Would love to hear from
you this morning. Just gone eight minutes after five. So
the solitary confinement. This is Sarcosey's jail cell. Apparently he
was trying to avoid the cameras as he was being
lead in and all that, but they got him. He's
expected to be held in solitary confinement for his own security.
In an individual cell. It's about nine square meters. It's

(02:33):
got his own shower, he'll get his own toilet, he'll
get his own phone line, but he can only ring
his lawyer on it, and I think some family members.
No cell phone's allowed for Sarcozy in jail. Apparently at
night it's quite noisy, so they've advised he wears air plugs.
Sounds a bit grim for an next president, doesn't it.
We'll speak to Gavin Gray about that later in the program.
Nine minutes after five, And Sir Brian Roach, did you

(02:56):
read this yesterday? He's the Public Services Commissioner. And the
big mega strikes happening tomorrow or is it happening tomorrow?
Because maybe you'll be too windy anyway, sir Brian Roach
is on holiday on the Gold Coast bad call. Sorry,
shouldn't have gone. Apparently, according to the press reports, it's
a holiday any other time, Fine, any other time fine,

(03:20):
middle of contract negotiations with the biggest strike apparently in
decades since the eighties. No, Sometimes you've got to fit
your life around your work, and I think this is
one of those cases. And I've got a lot of
respect for Sir Brian Roach and everything that he has accomplished. However,
now is not the time to go on holiday. You know,
sometimes you've got to do this, like next year is

(03:41):
an election year, and I just know, and this has
been at previous jobs as well. You can't take a
holiday four months prior you're basically glued to your seat
at work. And then afterwards as well, you probably don't
take where you don't until Christmas, you know, you don't
take a day off. Basically, you can't have a holiday.

(04:01):
And that's just the way it is, and that's fine.
I'm not complaining, but I think it's the same for
Sir Brian Roche. Now is not the time to be
suns out, guns out, buns out on the Gold Coast
Bridge five ten will speak to Alan Pollard, here's a
civil contractors in New Zealand a lot of abusive road
workers and no, I'm not excusing that because it's unforgivable

(04:23):
and unforgivable. You don't abuse, you don't yell at, you
don't throw things, you know, you don't get aggressive, you
don't ram them with your car, which apparently is happening. Happening,
but is it? Are we being driven there by the
fact there are so many road cones out there? We'll
talk about that next News talks at B.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
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Speaker 2 (04:54):
Third and great to have your company this business with
the banks being too woke to lend. You know when
you saw those stories about them not wanting to bank
roll petrol stations or even not renewing loans on petrol stations, farms,
this kind of stuff. Well, they had all the bank's
CEOs at a finance conference last week and someone asked
them about this and I hadn't seen these comments, but

(05:15):
Interest dot co dot Nz has published them yesterday. You know,
you had your A and z' your West paxibnz's Antonia
Watson from A and Z. She had a crack at
New Zealand first because they've got this bill, the so
called woke Banking Bill, and she kind of explains, we
are not not funding anti woke agendas here. So this

(05:37):
is what she said. There's this thing called the woke
Banking Bill that's sitting around at the moment. Do I
care if it gets past there'll be some compliance, I'm
sure so yes, I sort of do, But it's not
going to change anything because we don't make decisions based
on wokeness. We make decisions based on our risk appetite
to provide credit to the economy. Sometimes you find yourself
over exposed, she says. An Z did this over exposed

(06:01):
itself to dairy in the twenty tens, so we had
a particular appetite. So isn't that interesting. I've kind of
always been of the opinion that it's not about wokeness
but more about, you know, a commercial decision about what
is viable and what is not, and what is worth
lending to. Fourteen after five you check the survey shows
abuse towards road workers is getting worse. Two thirds of

(06:24):
traffic controllers a coppying abuse on a weekly basis. In
the last year, one in five have been physically assaulted,
some even hit by vehicles. Alan Pollard's as civil Contractors
in New Zealand CEO of me this morning, Allan, good morning.
Not excusing this behavior because it's completely unacceptable. But why
do you think it's gotten worse? You know, Is it
because we're doing so much more road safety? Are there

(06:48):
more people out there therefore more likely to be encounter abuse?

Speaker 7 (06:54):
You're right, I will not excuse kind of the he
so that's not accessible. But there are probably other factors
of play here. If you lock around society at the
moment of your frank people are stressed, are towt are frustrated,
people are losing their jobs. That there's quite a somber
mood away in the country, and I'm sure that drives
some of the sort of behavior. I think also, I

(07:14):
think the industry can do a bit, as the survey
suggest that actually just to improve people's understanding and awareness
of why we do things on the road. We're really
good at saying what we're going to do. But I
think we probably need to do a better job of
why we're doing it.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
What do you want to happen? You've talked about enforcement
and consequences and physical protection on road work sites. What
exactly do you mean.

Speaker 7 (07:37):
Well, physical protection could be having barriers between between traffic
and the workers and makes it a little frustrating for
drivers because it is disrupting. But it's also things like
having body cameras, for example, they have been trilled on
some of the sites. It's just having something that's physical
and tangible that actually deministrates to both the workers we're

(07:58):
trying to keep them safe, but also to the drivers
that we actually have these tools and we're not afraid
to use them.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Why do we hear about jobs we're half the cost
as traffic management, you know, motorways. I can understand because
the cars are going really fast. But you know when
you've got five guys and a thousand road codes to
change the street lamp and we see this like like,
I know this is anecdotal, but I see it in
my neighborhood. People on the text machine right now who

(08:24):
are texting, and see it in theirs. What's up with this?

Speaker 7 (08:28):
Yeah? Look, look I've to ask we don't always get
it right. That's really didn't not that. But you know,
road homes are one of the tools in the toolbox
to keep people safe. The whole point of having this
traffic management in place is to keep the road workers
safety and to keep the traveling public safe so they
all get home safety to their families. So you know,
it's really important that we use the tools that we

(08:49):
have available to us to achieve their goal. Now, some
sites are high risk sites and some sites are low
risk site, so you won't necessarily see the same setup
as you travel around the country. But you know, a
lot of work goes into designing traffic management. There's been
a move away from a more arbitrary approach to a
much more focussed approach based on each site. So so

(09:10):
I think what you will see as an improvement in
targeted traffic management solutions. And again, as I said, it's
all about getting people home. The safety is possible at
limited disruption.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
All right, appreciate your time. Allan Allan Pollo, Chief executive
at Civil Contractors. It is five point seventeen Ryan Bridge
Ryan A thousand road cones out on my street yesterday,
ten people standing around doing hardly anything. And I want
to between each of these texts, I'm going to say,
don't abuse them, you know, like it's not their fault

(09:41):
that the country is over policed with road cones. Ran
I know a heap of roadworkers through various places, and
they are lazy asses. They laugh about how cruzy their
job is, and they also talk about how making it
harder on traffic winds us up totally out of hand,
the road cones and the trucks, ETCeteras as Mark, and

(10:04):
this is from a text from another Ryan, good morning.
Sounds like the cost of the traffic control will increase
two or three times. That's my concern. You know, the
more abusive we become, the worse the problem become. You know,
we make the problem worse for ourselves in a way,
don't we. Five eighteen News Talks edb.

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Speaker 2 (10:28):
News Talks edb five twenty on News TALKSB we got
the decision on alliance through yesterday eighty seven percent of
shareholders and favors to two hundred and seventy million dollar
investment from the Irish outfit, Dawn meets, it'll take a
sixty five percent steak. Cash goes to paydown debt, strengthen
the balance sheet, fun future growth, all that sort of stuff.
Todd McLay is Agriculture Minister.

Speaker 8 (10:48):
Good morning, Hey, Ryan, good morning.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Happy about this?

Speaker 8 (10:51):
Well, look, I think it gives some certainty. In the end,
it was a decision for the farmers of the owners themselves.
The company had been facing a lot of death and
I know they were still pressure from the banks. So
this gives certainly the company will continue. The brightest part
of it, I suppose, is that there's going to be
a lot of investment in plant and that gives job
securities as well. You'll know that the plant had to

(11:12):
close down the year or so ago with six hundred
job losses.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Is it a shame though, that it's going to the
Irish and we've got the you know, Fonterier doing consumer
That brand's going to the French. Is it strategically important
for Keywis to own this stuff?

Speaker 8 (11:27):
Well, I think as far as the farmers are concerned,
you know what's important is this competition for their meat.
You know, it's happened at a time when meat prices
Lamb as an example, prices are up, but if we
look at the cycle of the last period of time,
it's been very, very hard for there Lamb farmers. And
you know, if the existing company with some new owners

(11:49):
wants to be able to sell meat overseas, they're going
to have to buy it because there is no guarantee
of supply. So I think the farmers themselves have voted
both strategically and you know, for what they think is
the best in just for the company that they own.
They continue to have choice. If they don't want to
sell their meat to that company because it's not performing,
they get to choose to put it somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Saw the numbers the Merchandise Trade devisit numbers yesterday, GAP
is closing, that's looking promising.

Speaker 8 (12:16):
It is we've seen experts overall up about twelve billion
dollars since we came to government. Some of that's commodity prices,
but what it's also is we've got better access to
a number of markets around the world. Take the EU
as an example, and the Trade Commissioner I'll be announcing
today tomorrow he's coming down to visit us, to visit me.
Letter this week we'll be here on Friday. Our overall

(12:37):
exports are goods and services to the European Union are
up more than two billion dollars over the last year
and a half since the FDA came into effect. And
so I think what we're doing is we're seeing you know,
better access to markets four kiwis and you know, both
goods and services what we're selling are worth a lot more,
albeit you know, challenges in the US with those terrif rights.

(12:57):
Although we've seen our exports go up to the US
with that ten percent tariff and even fifteen percent. So
the world wants to buy what New Zealand is producing,
and we've got you know, very very good companies that
are making the most of that and smartly looking for
the best opportunity in markets around the world.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
You mentioned the US, how we are How are we
getting on there? I think you gave us an update
a couple of weeks ago, but I saw the OAA
of your of the correspondence on the day that it
all got announced. Are we thinking to buying some big
boeings from Trump? Is that going to help you?

Speaker 8 (13:27):
Yeah? Well, I mean I've continued to make the case
to the US USCR that you know, most of the
time they have a fairly large trade surplus against US,
and at the moment occasionally we have a modest trade surplus.
It goes and the other way, in his edit, are
buying planes from them. We announced a small short while
ago military spend including helicopters. This is actually just all

(13:49):
business as usual. So you know, we're making the case
to them that that ultimately the trade is very you know,
it's well balanced, it's complementary. But again, the President made
a decision every single country who had a trade surplus
last year against them as fifteen percent or more. What
we're working through with them is what the mechanism is
if we go back to a dessicit for that to

(14:11):
come back to ten percent, And frustratingly, the answer is
they don't know yet.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
That is frustrating. What about do you think Kiwi businesses
were buying, making big purchases. Should they consider going US now?

Speaker 8 (14:24):
I think they should continue to make decisions for themselves
as to you know, where to get whatever they need
from or what's the best of them and their business
equally the same as selling. But the US remains a
very close friend of ours. We trade a lot with them.
It is important market to us. And as I said,
if we look at red meat as an example, right,
I think last month I saw set said we sold

(14:45):
them more than any months before, certainly a lot more
than before before the terrorists came on. So US consumers
still want to buy things from New Zealand, even though
it's costing them. I'd ask them ten to fifteen percent more.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
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Speaker 2 (15:09):
Five twenty seven. It was always going to be a
risky strategy, but it seems to be backfiring kind of
badly for Labour At the moment, the two year policy
drought is now over over, it's been broken. The heavens
have opened and a flood, or more like a couple
of rain drops of policy have come through. The reason
it's gone about Haywhy is not just because Hipkins forgot

(15:30):
that his health spokesperson was actually announcing a policy yesterday,
but because of the contents of the policy. In a nutshell,
it's about letting some independent group of experts decide on
health funding for GPS, and as I mentioned yesterday, a
trend is now emerging. Labour doesn't trust itself to make
wise choices, or rather it knows the electorate doesn't trust

(15:51):
it to make wise choices with their hard earned money.
That's why they are outsourcing decisions about funding to other people.
They did it with the Future Fund and now they're
doing it with health. In some ways it's smart. They're
trying to suggest that National will sell off the assets,
they'll defund the doctors, so there needs to be an
independent group making these decisions. But mostly it's done because

(16:14):
there's one thing key Wes don't like backing, and that's
a loser. And this strategy feels like a loser because
it lacks confidence. It's the message it's sending. It doesn't
say here's where i'll put your money, here's how, here's why.
It says I'm not too confident that you're confident in me,
so I'll give your money to someone else to decide.

(16:34):
Feels a bit weak. It's not a plan or a policy.
It's almost an admission of guilt of failure in the
previous government. If the goal was to box National into
a corner during an election campaign that also creates problems.
Are these the best policies to grow New Zealand and
can get the best outcomes, or are they just politically
expedient policies designed to start fights on a campaign trail.

(16:58):
All of this, of course, comes ahead of capital gains
tax announcement. We're expecting that apparently in a couple of
weeks time. What's next they'll let a group of accountants
decide who should pay tax on what income. Confidence is
key in politics, and you've got to know what you
want and you've got to go for it. Chippy so
far looks like he's left his mojo at the door.

(17:19):
Five nine on News Talks, HEIDB Gavin Gray out of
the UK after News.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
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Speaker 2 (17:50):
Pretty far away from six here on News Talalks, HEB
we'll get to the maccabill past in Parliament last night
before six. Gavin Gray out of the UK for US.
Nicholas Psarcosy's in jail right now in Paris. Some things
going on with the Global Dairy Trade Auction results the
website this morning, and because normally we bring you these
numbers because we're up in early and we're up in Adam.
But this morning the Global Dairy Trade Auction website did

(18:12):
an update. There was an auction last night. We know
that much. The newsroom got an email and so they
reckoned that whole milk powder was down four point six percent,
which is the one we really care about. Skim milk
powder down two point one. But I didn't really want
to read those numbers out because I'm not entirely sure
that they're accurate. At this point. Judy has text and
soa Ryan. The results have been removed off the website

(18:34):
for recalibration, so we'll have to come back to you
on that one. I'm afraid. Now in the UK the
Brits are all nickers in a twist still about Prince Andrew,
and with good reason. And there are now EMPs lining
up to say, actually we because at the moment his
titles he can, he still has them, he just doesn't
use them. They're like almost dormant while they're trying to

(18:56):
get rid of them. Altogether.

Speaker 9 (18:57):
He had associations with Jeffrey ight'stone of which they were
victims and survivors from that abuse that we do know
took place. So of course what we want to make
sure is that there are mechanisms in place, whether they're
triggered or not. That I am not making that call.
What I'm saying is that aren't those mechanisms in place,
and really they should be, cryen Bridge.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Let's go to our reporters around the country. Callum Proctor
Undernedan Callum, good morning morning, Right, Whetucky District Council. They're
doing water, Yeah, they are.

Speaker 10 (19:27):
This is due to the government's announcement that they're appointing
a Crown Facilitator to help them redo their water service
delivery delivery plan for the White Tuckey They've been told
to include assessment of their drinking water, wastewater and stormwater
networks as required undernew local Water Done Well laws. The
mayor elect for the White Tacky Council is Melanie Taverndale.

(19:51):
She's thanking the local government Minister Simon Watts and his
support for a new plan. She says the new council
will seek a pathway forward after they are sworn in
to day the updated plan, including of full as set
assessments due by June next year. This Crown Facilitator Ryan
will be confirmed by mid November.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
All right, how's your weather.

Speaker 10 (20:10):
It's fine but still windy, So we got Gail Force
westerlies at times today the high twenty.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Thanks Callum and Claire Sherwood's and christ this morning, Claire,
good morning. Now overwhelming demand. This is another one of
those stories about a job opening up and then you
get thousands of applications.

Speaker 11 (20:25):
Yeah, crazy numbers of applications. This is where our new
metro sports center, Padakiode Councils confirmed more than three thousand
people applied for two hundred and twenty six jobs. The
center will open a bit later this year and council
tells us that there were roles for the likes of lifeguards,
admin staff and swimming tutors. They received applications from people

(20:46):
aged anywhere from sixteen right up to sixty. Head of
Recreation in Sports Nigel Cox says jobs at council facilities
and do always attract a good response, but not usually
anywhere near the scale. He says the market is pretty
unique with record numbers of people moving to Christ Church
and of course the UNI here, he says, it shows
some excitement for the center, and of course it does

(21:08):
come after the Rolliston packinsay, which had three two hundred
applications for roughly the same number of jobs.

Speaker 12 (21:14):
It is believed to be a bit of a reflection
of the wider job markets.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, how's your weather? Clear?

Speaker 11 (21:19):
Mainly find today a bit of high cloud about northwesterlies
will be strong at times, the high twenty one.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
All right, thank you very much. Max, and Wellington Max,
we know Wellington's windy, but yesterday was something else.

Speaker 13 (21:30):
Oh look, we're famed for our gusts, but Wellingtonian knows
when the wind is out of the ordinary, and it
was certainly out of the ordinary yesterday. We got close
to one hundred and fifty clicks kilometers per hour in parts.
It got up to one hundred and twenty one hundred
and thirty in the city, which is close to unprecedented
tragedy a man walking beneath trees in Mount Victoria killed

(21:50):
by a falling branch. Video as well, that's now gone
viral of a woman being hurled into traffic. She can't
help herself. The wind picks her up effectively throws are
into traffic really fortunately seen by approaching cars that we're
able to stop in time. Damage to trees, roofs, structures, services,
canceled or delayed flights, trucks and trailers overturning as well.

(22:13):
What we're looking at is two more days of gale
winds now, but today not as bad Thursday. It looks
almost as dangerous as it was yesterday. So plenty of
wind warnings around. Please take care out there.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
All right, it sounds like it, Max, Thank you for that. Max,
and Wellington and Neva and Auckland never good morning, Good
morning you. Wahiki Fury being launched today.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, good news.

Speaker 12 (22:34):
And this is because you know, tourism seektor ramping up
summers coming, so Island direct they're adding more than one
hundred and fifty seats to its Auckland Wahiki Fery route.
This is a new twenty two meter ketamaran, so it's
going to have sailings almost every hour, which is good.
And that's from both downtown Auckland and also Wayhiki's Matitia Wharf.

(22:55):
David Todd, he's the director of Island Directors, is look
that they just had to make them most to the
demand coming through get it off the ground.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
That's cool because they've already got some services off and
I've unlike the regular Fury service, you can book a
seat full. You can book a seat on this one.
I think. Yeah, so you can actually get a guaranteed
spot instead of turning up on a long weekend and
waiting for hours.

Speaker 13 (23:16):
And that's right.

Speaker 12 (23:16):
And the queues are out the door.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Look at you?

Speaker 12 (23:19):
What's your just looking? I can see your face. You've
got a beard trim.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
I've been to the barbie yesterday.

Speaker 12 (23:24):
Very nice.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
He's done the head, he's done the beard. Yes, he's
done the back, he's done the chest. Holy molly, how's that?

Speaker 12 (23:32):
We showers becoming few and far between this evening the
High twenty one.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
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Gevin extraordinary.

Speaker 14 (25:00):
Yes, he becomes the first French ex president to go
to jail. He's starting a five year sentence for conspiring
to fund his election campaign with money from the late
Libyan dictator Mohamaga Daffi. He denies this. Nevertheless, he has
been sentenced to this time behind bars. And the last
French leader of a political party was sentenced eighty years

(25:24):
ago to prison. That was for treason for being a
collaborator during World War Two. So this is a really
really monumental moment. Sarkas he was president from two thousand
and seven to twenty twelve, and as I said, he
has appeared against his jail term. But it's going to
be pretty tough in there. The Montpasse district south of

(25:44):
the River Seine, which is where this nineteenth century prison is.
It's notoriously overcrowded. He'll be in isolation in a cell
that's roughly nine to eleven square meters and he will
in that have a desk, a show, a toilet, a
small electric hob and a small fridge. But this is
a huge comedown for the former president and allowed just

(26:08):
one hour a day for exercise. It seems really pretty tough.
Indeed so tough that at the end of the last week,
sa was received at the Elisee Palace by President Emmanuel Macron.
He wouldn't comment on what had happened to one of
his predecessors, but he said, you know, as a former president,
he's entitled to come. And in another show of support

(26:28):
for the ex president, the Justice Minister said he would
go to visit him in prison as part of his
role in ensuring his safety and the proper functioning of
the jail. Safety a big issue. There are some terrorists
in that prison and there are also some very very
heavy criminals. Shall I phrase it that way?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
It's all about Missy over there, isn't that the politicians
and their brushes with the Lord because Lapina is still bad,
isn't she from running for president over there?

Speaker 14 (26:54):
Yes, that could change.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Kevin Gray are UK, you're correspondent. It is twelve minutes
away from.

Speaker 15 (27:02):
Six Brian Bridge.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
The maccabill This is multi customary title passes its third
reading in the House last night.

Speaker 16 (27:08):
The bill seeks to restore the clarity to the Marine
and Corstal Area Acts. It seeks to protect property rates
and pass through legal clarity.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
He should be ashamed of the bill, and he.

Speaker 16 (27:21):
Should be ashamed of himself, and he thinks it's a
big joke.

Speaker 17 (27:26):
This bill is not, as the Government insists, a tidy
clarification of an old law. It is an incredibly blunt
instrument that tears the very foundations of justice, uppins our
court processes, and undermines a hard fought relationship between ta
Ewie Maldy and the Crown.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Tom Bennion is a marti wrights lawyer, former registrar for
the White Thing He Tribunal. Joins me this morning, Tom,
Good morning, good morning, Good to have you on the show.
Does this not just restore the original intent of the
law than twenty eleven?

Speaker 15 (28:00):
Doesn't that fact that the Act itself actually says listen,
please put decide the purpose of the twenty eleven Act
when you're when you're interpreting this new edition, which is
a sure giveaway.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
What exactly is changing that you know? The general line
is that there will be stronger proof required for you
have to prove that you had uninterrupted exclusive use of
a foreshore sea bed since eighteen forty? Is that basically it?

Speaker 7 (28:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (28:33):
Well, The way it was worded before was listen, everybody
go to court. Here's some words, argue it out. See
under the purpose of the Act, et cetera. Where you think,
you know these rights ended up, and this new one
says no, we'll listen. That that was the course of
said interpreted it to say that you might get these

(28:54):
customer rights along most of the coast. Don't like that,
so listen, we'll just change it to say basically, yeah,
you've got to Basically it looks like I mean that
the lawyers argued out. It looks like they're trying to
say you're just about to have to stand there with
a with a t on the water's edge and tell
everybody to bugger off since eighteen forty three to the

(29:14):
current day, and if you didn't do that, you're not
getting anything. That seems to be the test now. But
you know they'll always argue whether that really is the case,
and that we'll we'll we'll try clearly to try and say,
you know, Parliament still hasn't actually entirely said we're going
to eradicate Malori wrights right up and down the coast.
Because these guys are making these changes are too coy

(29:36):
to say that out front and we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 8 (29:39):
What we get to.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Does this mean that people like you, lawyers are going
to make a lot of money out of this?

Speaker 15 (29:46):
This is a lawyer's payday. Thank you very much to
this government. They've turned a problem that was pretty much
solved into I think not only will lawyers make money
out of this now, but I think you've you've basically
turned something that was a sense solved into a multimillion
dollar problem for probably hundreds of millions of dollars for
a subsequent.

Speaker 8 (30:06):
Set of taxpayers.

Speaker 15 (30:08):
Well, this will come back.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
I mean, I mean, I do legal history.

Speaker 15 (30:11):
This will come back people. The last words of this
act that was past us I'm looking at it now
says a person is not entitled compensation of any kind
on account of the operation of this amendment, which lets
you know they're taking something away and that will cost
some future taxpayers of New Zealand quite a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
I appreciate your time this morning. Tom Bennyan, who's a
mighty rights lawyer, former registrar at the White Tanking Tribune,
or nine minutes away from six News talks at b Marke.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Next, the first word on the News of the Day
Early edition with Ryan Bridge and Are the SuperStor explore
r v's accessories and servicing more than one news talk
setb It.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Is six minutes away from six mics in the studio. Mike,
good morning, good morning. Hey you know, sir Brian Roch.
Do you how do you? I disagree with you?

Speaker 18 (31:01):
I mean, not vehemently, I don't really care, but it
would be a better look if he was sort of
there on the day and all that sort of stuff.
But then again, you given credence to a bunch of
no hopers who are just wandering around in the rain.
Have you seen the forecast for tomorrow pouring in the frame?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
It would be a safety issue should they proceed were well, probably,
I don't know.

Speaker 18 (31:19):
The inkle drip off the placards, I don't know, But I.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Mean the point is, what do you want them to do?
Well to say, what be available?

Speaker 8 (31:25):
I do it for what?

Speaker 2 (31:26):
For negotiation?

Speaker 18 (31:27):
They're not negotiating on the day they're on.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Strike, No, but leading up to I mean I think
they should all be locked in a room together until.

Speaker 18 (31:34):
That's compulsory arbitration. Couldn't agree with you more, but I
asked the Prime Minister about this on Monday because I
had singing and on last week and I said, you
need to change the law and he said, we're going
to look at that, and I thought good. Then I
asked the Prime Minister on Monday, said what about changing
the law and he goes, na, not now, and I thought,
come on, get a backbone. You should have rules whereby
you go. And these are the same people. You've got
to remember, teachers, nurses, doctors, they're all the same people.

(31:57):
So you go, look, have three cracks, best shot and
at the end of its compulsory arbitration and they make
a call and that's the end of it. And you
realize we used to do this in this in the country,
so it's not like we haven't been here.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
But with critical you know, if it's student achievement at risk,
if it's healthcare at risk.

Speaker 18 (32:14):
Yeah, but I mean yeah, but I mean, how long
do you go run around the mulberry bush on this.
It's like that argument that's not really about money, it's
about student achievement.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Is no, are you asking for money? I mean the
disruption to student achievement from strikes, of.

Speaker 18 (32:25):
Course, So the wider necessit, the wider good needs a
greater waiting, which is what compulsory arbitration is all about.
You say, eventually, look you've had a crack. We're going
around and around in circles. We'll make a call and
that'll be the end of that one. I mean, you've
got to remember the government takes a risk on that
because of course, if you go to compulsory arbitration and go, well,
I don't care if you've got no money, they deserve
three and a half a cent.

Speaker 15 (32:45):
There it is.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
How do you think Nicholas Sarkoz is feeling in this
little isolated cell in a Paris prison right now using.

Speaker 18 (32:52):
The phone to ring the lawyer and go how long
does this last? Because I'm assuming he's not going to.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Be there for years, but he does get his own phone.
Apparently a direct to the lawyer deserved. But see, yesterday
I saw a photo of Carlo. She was out on
a knee scooter and she looked. They claimed she was
looking without a care in the world, and I thought, well,
that's not right anyway. Today she looked miserable as she
sort of turned up and said, well you would be,
but lonely, wouldn't she What she can make some more music.

Speaker 18 (33:19):
Hold you, it'll be fantastic.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Hey, who's on the show this morning?

Speaker 18 (33:23):
Goldsmith on the marine stuff that got passed last night.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 18 (33:27):
Did people go out last night and light the fires
on the beach?

Speaker 11 (33:29):
That was well?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Actually Finns came out and said, it's a very bad
time to do that. We've got vegetation fires at this price.

Speaker 14 (33:36):
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Do you strike? Maybe that's what caused the fires. Where
when you need him? All right, have a great day, everyone,
See you tomorrow on News Talks. They'd be.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
For more from Early edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen live
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