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April 22, 2025 • 34 mins

On the Early Edition Full Show Podcast for Wednesday 23 April 2025, geopolitical analyst Geoffrey Miller discusses the overnight meeting between Prime Minister Luxon and his British counterpart Sir Keir Starmer. 

NZ spokesperson for Save Women's Sport Australasia, Ro Edge explains a new members bill that aims to legally define men and women.  

And, Tourism Holdings Limited has seen a dramatic slowdown in bookings to the US. Chief Executive Grant Webster considers the effect of the US tariff regime on the locally listed company. 

Francesca Rudkin asks us to take responsibility for our own relationships with technology. 

Plus, Pope Francis' funeral will take place at the Vatican on Saturday morning - UK correspondent Gavin Grey has the latest. 

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
News talks that'd be good morning, Welcome to Early Edition.
I'm Francisca Budkin filling in for Ryan Bridge this morning. Ranald.
We're back on Monday morning. Good to have you with us.
You're most welcome to contact me anytime this morning. You
can flick me your text on ninety two ninety two
or you can email me at Francesca at newstalksib dot
co dot nz. On the show today, we take a
look at New Zealand First Members bill pushing for sex

(00:33):
based language to define women and men. We catch up
with the CEO of one of the first locally listed
companies impacted by the Uish tariff chaos, and we discussed
the security chat that went on between prime ministers at
Christopher Luxen and care Starmer overnight. The agenda, It's Wednesday,
the twenty third of April. First, I'll take you to Italy,

(00:53):
where the Vatican has confirmed the funeral of Pope Frances
will take place on Saturday. The Pope's body will be
moved to morrow to Saint Peter's Basilica for public mourning.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
The rituals and the procedures that follow the death of
a pope have been laid down over centuries, but Pope
Francis is breaking with tradition, as he did so often
in life, choosing not to be buried here in the Vatican,
but in a favorite church in central Rome and in
a simple tomb that is inscribed only with his name.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
World leaders including Donald Trump, Emanuel Macron, and Vlodimir Zelinski
will attend the funeral, and Prince William will be there
on behalf of King Charles. Now to the US, in
the International Monetary Fund has slashed its forecast for global
growth this year. The US has been given the biggest downgrade.
He's the IMS chief economist.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
The tariffs represent a supply shark that reduces productivity and
output permanently and increases price pressures temporarily. This adds to
an already weakening outlook and leads US to revise growth
down by zero point nine percentage point to one point
eight percent with a zero point four percentage point downgrade
from the tariffs only.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
And finally, films made with the help of artificial intelligence
will be able to win top awards at the Oscars.
The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences have issued
new rules saying the use of AI would neither help
nor harm the chances of achieving a nomination.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
They say the more a person contributed to a film's creation,
the more likely it.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Is to when The Academy won't require films to disclose
their use of AI, but says judges will consider how
much human ingenuity was in voh and that's the agenda.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
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Speaker 2 (02:43):
As you heard in the news. Early voting starts today
in the Ossie election. Apparently about forty percent of Ozzi's
will vote early before May third, including Ozzie's registered to
vote here in New Zealand. So if you know any OSSI's,
remind them that they can vote here from today as well.
Ralian elections always get me thinking about the idea of
compulsory voting. Voting in Australia as compulsory at the federal

(03:05):
and state levels and some local levels. It depends what
state you're in. Queenslane seems to love it so in
twenty twenty two, ninety six point eight of eligible voters
were enrolled to vote, eighty nine point eight two percent
did Now, considering that we have voluntary voting here in
New Zealand, I don't think we did too bad. In
our twenty twenty three general election. Our turnout was around

(03:28):
seventy eight point two percent. But you wouldn't want to
drop much further than that, would you. I've never brought
into the idea of compulsory voting at the general election,
but when you look at the feeble downward trend of
people turning up to vote at local body elections, I
do wonder whether there's some merit in it. In nineteen
eighty nine, the voter turnout in local body elections was

(03:50):
fifty six percent, and it has solely decreased. Can you
believe it to forty two percent and twenty twenty two
It is woeful and yet so much which affects our
day to day lives is decided at the local council level.
But wo making it compulsory work it would cost more.
For sure, getting people to understand the change would be
a challenge, and I'm sure many elected members wouldn't be

(04:14):
keen they know who votes and how to appeal to
their court interests older rate payers' interests would be really challenged,
I would say, but maybe there is no other way
to bring the numbers up. I'd quite like to see
a trial, maybe Wellington, Auckland, christ Church and see what
the results is. It could be quite a scramble and

(04:35):
wouldn't that be fun? Can you hear your thoughts? You
can text on ninety two ninety two. It is ten
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Speaker 2 (04:50):
Dogs Indy its thirteen past five. Write a new Member's
Bill by New Zealand First will aim to define men
and women. The bill wants to Code of five sex
based language, defining a woman is an adult human biological
female and a man as an adult human biological male.
It comes as Britain's highest court ruled that only a

(05:11):
biological and not trans women meet a definition of a
woman under equity laws. Save Women's Sport Australasia. New Zealand
spokeswoman wrote, Edge joins me now, good morning, Row, thanks
for your time.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
Well, good morning.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Are you happy with this bill? Is there anything you'd change?

Speaker 3 (05:27):
No?

Speaker 6 (05:27):
I think it's much needed. You know, this Zellan First
Members will aims to ensure legal clarity on the definition
of a man and a woman, But in reality, its
purpose is to protect the sex based rights of women.
Now globally, it's been recognized and we saw this in
the UK last week that gender identity should not override
sex based provisions and protections. And so what this bill
does is it reinforces the urgent need for the likes

(05:49):
of support New Zealand to prioritize and protect fenness and
safety of biological females because we play sports with our bodies,
not our identities.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Okay, so we make this definition, but we don't actually
know how this bill would apply to other legislation yet,
do we.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
I think what it's about is ensuring that there is
that when women are referred to and men are referred
to in legislation and policy, that it is the biological
reality that is referred to. So, you know, we see
with our Ministry for Women at the moment, the definition
of woman as anyone who identifies as one. Well, it's
circular reasoning and what is a woman? Even Chris Hipkins

(06:23):
couldn't answer that, and why he might not deem this
as being a priority. Males competing and female thought was
actually the most of post social issue leading into the
last election, according to Labour's own posters. So would suggest
that given when he was asked as High Prime Minister
like what is a woman and he couldn't answer it,
it's a great example of why this legislation is so
desperately needed.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
What does this mean for trans people? I mean you
can't just ignore them.

Speaker 6 (06:48):
No, this isn't about being anti anyone. It's about ensuring
the rights of women and girls are protected in law.
And these rights were thoughtful by woman over many generations
and some very valid reasons. We want everybody to be
included for in in sport because of the mental and
physical health benefits it brings, but it needs to be
in the category of their biological sex because otherwise it
raises feness and safety issues.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
But couldn't we have that discussion without having to go
through this sort of process of through this definition into legislation.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
Or we have been trying to have this discussion for
over five years now and we've got absolutely nowhere. And
what we've seen is gender ideology completely capture our bureaucrats,
our policy and everything, and so women have had no
rights to speaking up. Now we've tried to, we've been
labeled bigots and TERFs and every other thing under the sun,
including Nazis. We haven't had this conversation. So you know,

(07:39):
this legislation has all been all about getting back to
some common sense.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Right, what are some of the current issues with women
in sport at the moment.

Speaker 6 (07:47):
So we have males participating in women's and girls' sport
from while we're aware, from intermediate level and above, and
what's happening is women are either self excluding, which is
appalling because we already have such a dramatic drop off
rate of female's participation in sports through their teenage years.
We're seeing it in club sports and community sorts across

(08:07):
the board. And you know, if this was really just
about allowing everyone to participate, there are mixed sex teams
in nearly every sport available in most communities, and so
anyone can participate in that. But what we're seeing is
male advantage in female sport, and when you include that,
it excludes women.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Mets and members. Bill Row, do you think you know
there's a chance that this will never be heard.

Speaker 6 (08:31):
Well, I hope it will be, and I hope if
it's told from the ballot that National and Act will
support it, given by far the majority of their voters
according to our polling do but mind you Soda, Labor
and Green voters. So this is the irony. It's not
a left versus right issue, despite what the politicians say.
This is a right versus wrong issue. And by farther

(08:52):
majority of New Zealanders if every political persuasion know that
males competing in female sport is wrong, males and female
changing rooms is wrong, we just need to get back
to some common sense and make sure that we create
spaces where everyone feels welcome and comfortable.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Roh each thanks so much for your time this morning.
I understand. Look, it's something that we've got to discuss,
but you've got to do it fairly and respectively for everybody,
don't you. I came to hear your thoughts on that.
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(09:27):
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(09:49):
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(10:12):
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Speaker 2 (10:34):
News talks that'd be It's five twenty net profit will
be significantly lower than expected. For one of the first
locally listed companies impacted by the US tariff regime, Tourism
Holdings Limited, has sent a dramatic slowdown in bookings by
its US division. Its share price fill more than ten
percent after announcing it was downgrading its earnings outlook. Tourism

(10:55):
Holding's chief executive, Grant Webster, is with me now, thanks
for your time, Grant, good morning, good morning. How much
is the political issues happening, the volatility to blame for
people not buying and renting our these.

Speaker 7 (11:11):
It's pretty hard to get into the psyche of all
the individuals, but certainly the tour operators that we work
with out of Germany certainly say their customers are saying
just not interested in going to the USA at the moment.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
How big of a reduction have you seen in the US?

Speaker 7 (11:28):
So look, in recent weeks our booking intakes for the
rental's division into the US are down forty to fifty percent.
So that's it's obviously pretty dramatic, not quite as dramatic
as COVID wind borders closed, but it's a big downgrade.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
So has the slowdown reflected anywhere else.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
No, In fact, from a consumer confidence perspective on vehicle sales,
it is. But in terms of tourism and people actually
traveling and wanting to rent our products, all other markets
are actually up and probably realistically experiencing some benefit from
that USA situation. So people still want to travel. We'll
go somewhere else.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, I was going to say that it's not that
people aren't traveling its as they're choosing to go somewhere else.

Speaker 7 (12:11):
Yeah. Absolutely, So Canada is probably the greatest beneficiary out
of that. You know, similar time frame, similar flight costs,
so forth, and so on. So luckily we've got the
business there in Canada that can get some benefit from it.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
So, Grant, how has the company reacted to this? As
you mentioned, you know, you've been through this before. We've
had the GFC and COVID and things.

Speaker 7 (12:33):
Yeah. So the key thing for us is because that
vehicle sales demand is down, we basically have to adjust
what we buy to replenish the fleet. So we've already
got that stock there. We're going to make sure that
we manage that well, manage our balanceet well, which isn't
a good position. So really it's about pulling back on investment.
And you know, we're one company, one very small company

(12:55):
in the USA terms, and we're pulling back our USA
flat eat investments significantly. So when you talk about possible
recessions in the US and you think about that as
one small example, it has to be being felt more
broadly across the economy there.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
But grant, you're not going backwards a You're more just
making moves to sort of stay steady.

Speaker 7 (13:17):
And yeah, around the rest of the world will continue
to grow, but in the USA, when you're down forty
to fifty percent at the moment in bookings, it doesn't
mean that's where we'll end up, because domestic is picking
up a bit as well. But you definitely have to
reduce your total fleet size and tighten it up. So, yes,
the neat investment in capital that we have in the
USA will go down in the next twelve months as

(13:42):
as a result of the situation.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
How long until you're expecting things to pick up again?

Speaker 7 (13:47):
All that is, that is crystal ball that it is.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
So you just.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Worry about right, just worrying about today.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
No, to be to be fair, we are running scenarios
and I guess again a little bit like COVID but not.
It's a very very different situation. But we are running
scenarios for the medium and long term from a Canada
perspective where we're getting impacted by the tariffs because all
our vehicles are purchased in the US. We have processes

(14:18):
there where the industry is looking to apply for an
exemption to the tariffs, so forth and so on. So
we've really got a number of things to play out yet.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Great Webster, thank you so much for your time this morning.
Appreciate it. It's twenty four past five.

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It's five twenty six. There's been a clever marketing campaign
from two degrees This week. The talco has released the
results of a study it commissioned into the impact mobile
phones are having on our mental health, and it's not good.
While most talcos like to concentrate on keeping us connected,
two degrees has taken a slightly different approach with this one,
acknowledging the elephant in the room by talking honestly and
openly about the damaged phones can do. It's almost like

(14:59):
they can, which is quite refreshing. I probably sound a
little bit skeptical, but I'm less fussed about a smart
approach to promote a brand than the more important point
that is absolutely that it's absolutely crazy that we're letting
our phones negatively impact our lives. It simply doesn't need
to be this way. One of the things the survey
looked at was the role of that notifications play in

(15:21):
adults daily lives, and what they discovered was fifty percent
a kiwis received too many notifications, thirty seven percent fel overwhelmed, panicked,
or anxious, thirty percent struggle to concentrate due to the notifications.
Forty six of gen Z respondents say they receive farty notifications,
forty percent find it difficult to concentrate, And the biggest
culprits are social media. It's sixty five percent an email,

(15:43):
It's sixty percent told you it wasn't great news. But
as concerning as these figures are, the crazy thing about
it is that this is on us. We can control
our notifications, we can turn them off or silence them.
We can take control of apps by doing things like
deleting and restoring them throughout the weeks, and they're not
constantly available, and if you don't know how to do it,
you do what I do when you find a younger

(16:05):
person who's smarter than you to do it for you.
We can come to terms with never having an empty
inbox and not feel the pressure to try. We can
make rules about scrolling through emails after work. We can
just put the phone down. It's interesting to understand how
the brain works in response to notifications. According to Catherine Burkitt,
who is a neuroscience and digital wellbeing expert who's working

(16:27):
along two Degrees on this project, notifications from phones trigger
the dopamine, making it highly addictive. She says, our obsession
with our phones are physically altering our brains, damaging our relationships,
draining our energy, and reducing our overall well being. I
get it, it's hard to make a change, but I

(16:47):
am absolutely certain that in ten to twenty years we
will look back and wonder what the hell we were
thinking with the endless content apps, notification likes, and swipes.
We can't keep blaming the tech companies. We know what
they're in it for. We can keep blaming the tech.
A lot of tech is really cool and helpful. At
some point we have to step up and take responsibility

(17:09):
for how we use it. So thanks two degrees for
the reminder, Francesca. So it does feel a little bit silly.
I think that we're letting something like notifications stress us out.
There's a lot more important things in the world to
stress us out. I think it's time to knock with
this shue on the head.

Speaker 8 (17:27):
Came to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
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Speaker 2 (18:16):
So how about this for the latest celebrity relationship, Elizabeth
Hurley and Billie Ray Cyrus. I don't think anyone saw
that coming, did they?

Speaker 7 (18:27):
Now?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
They announced their relationship over Easter. Investigators apparently are still
working on how exactly this coupling has come about, but
early indication suggesced that Hurley and Cyrus met while shooting
the twenty twenty two film Christmas in Paradise, and there's
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it when people find love and unexpected places. This is
early edition on Newstalks, they'd be I'm Francisca Ruggin filling
in for Ryan today. Thanks for being with us. In
the next half hour we're gonna have the latest on
the Pope's funeral and sekire Starma and Christopher Luckson. Of
course they meet overnight to talk trade and security and
confirm a pretty lucrative drone contact contract, so we're going

(19:10):
to have more on that before the end of the
hour as well. It is twenty two to six.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Franchesco.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Right, let's head around the country and joining me from Dunedin,
Lachlan ready, how are you?

Speaker 7 (19:22):
Oh good?

Speaker 8 (19:23):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Excellent. An opportunity for Southern residents to have their say
on the future of tourism.

Speaker 8 (19:27):
Yes so great Great South is gathering feedback from as
many locals as possible to understand what motives matters most
of them when it comes to tourism. Destination Development manager
Amy Young says any strategy needs to be developed in
line with what locals want. She says tourism is a
strong industry in Southland and is starting to bounce back
to pre COVID levels, and Young seas that most of
the international markets are coming back and things are really

(19:49):
starting to take on.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Good to hear and the weather today, locky, this is a.

Speaker 8 (19:52):
Few showers about now, mainly find.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
For the today with a high of twelve degrees. I'd
always had a really good toly see twelve. Thank you
so much. Joining us now from christ which is Claire Sherwood.
Good morning, Claire. I believe the Canterbury district continues to
be the fastest growing in the country.

Speaker 11 (20:08):
Yes, well Salmyn specifically Francesca So. New population data released
by Stance and z shows that Salwyn's population grew by
three point nine percent in the twelve months to June
last year. That's around three thy two hundred new arrivals.
The biggest jumps, of course, happened in urban areas. Rolliston
for example, saw the biggest increase at nine point six percent.

(20:29):
For Mayor Sam Broughton, he says the figures are not
a surprise to anyone who's living in the district.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
He says.

Speaker 11 (20:35):
Councils continuing to work closely with government agencies to address
some under investment in areas including health, for education and policing.
And the weather today Claire pretty miserable here as well,
rain turning to showers then clearing to cloudy by this afternoon.
Southwesterly is easing and a high of twelve.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Thank you, Claire, and Max Toll joins us now in
Wellington and some efforts have been put in to save
a community hall. Max.

Speaker 9 (21:00):
Yeah, this is the Karrori Events Center, which only broke
ground early in twenty sixteen. The problem is the modern
hall was built via a fundraising effort, local fundraising which
was enough to get it done, just not to fit
it out to put all the things inside that you
want to. The Krori Community Hall Trust then gifted the

(21:20):
building to the City Council in twenty twenty two. On
the agreement the council would spend up to a couple
million dollars to finish the inside. But obviously the situation
in the capitol has declined a little in the last
three years. The council says it can no longer afford it.
So this event center a number is one of a
number of community facilities in danger at the moment, in

(21:42):
a long queue scrambling for attention and money, and it
sits empty.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
In the meantime, Wellington's weather today, mates.

Speaker 9 (21:49):
Party, cloudy, little drizzle in.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
The morning, Thank you so much. Any of britty man
who has joined me in the Auckland studio and she's
walked on and she's complaining about the state of the disk,
that it's duty.

Speaker 10 (21:58):
And it's filthy.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Don't tell me if you're pointing at the desk furiously
like I'm going to get up and clean.

Speaker 10 (22:05):
There are so many stains. I think I'm going to
clean it. It needs a really good you know what
it means, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 10 (22:12):
I shall do that. I thought I have to talk
to Mike. He's obviously to.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Do that in the summer holidays where Mike's not here.

Speaker 12 (22:19):
Oh really, and the bin as well.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
You know, we don't mind it. You know, it's been
able to have a holiday never if that's okay, I
think you took a holiday.

Speaker 10 (22:31):
Stop it.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Let's move on from the burns. The government's mapped down
it's preferred route for the Northland Expressway.

Speaker 10 (22:41):
That's right now.

Speaker 12 (22:41):
This is going to go through Warkworth east of State
Highway One, then over the brindo Win Hills to the
east of the current route, then through far A. So
the Brindowin Hills has been subject as most of us
all know ongoing closure since twenty twenty three. Would be
your weather events. So once this is all done, Francisca,
the expressways expected to be one of.

Speaker 10 (22:59):
News most expensive infrastructure projects.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Gear it would be good to be done. Oh yeah,
it will be yeah.

Speaker 10 (23:04):
I mean it's been tough with the Northlanders as well.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Oh yeah, absolutely. Auckland's weather today leather right.

Speaker 10 (23:09):
Those shellers are going to be clearing.

Speaker 12 (23:11):
Let's go to stay partly cloudy though for most of
the day, just the odd shell creeping in from the afternoon.

Speaker 10 (23:16):
Still warm, can you believe it? Twenty two the high
loving it.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I will pass on your complaints about the state of
the studio to Mike when he comes in. Thank you
very much for your time this morning. Appreciate it. Next
off for after the UK. Gavin Gray is with us.
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We have more details about the Pope's funeral.

Speaker 13 (24:34):
Indeed we do, Francesca. Yeah, actually we're getting more details
about really what's going to happen over the next few days.
So we now know the funeral would take place at
the Vatican on Saturday morning, that is Italian time, so
that's going to be obviously very late Saturday night for
you guys. And world leaders we now know who are
going to attend include Donald Trump, Emmanual Micron from France,

(24:58):
Ronimer Putin from Ukraine, the German Chancellor i'll Off Schulz,
the Brazilian President, the Polish president. They incidentally pause holding
a day of national mourning as well on Saturday. The
EU Commissioned President's going, the President of Argentina that's the
birthplace of Pope Frances, and the British Prime Minister. Also
Prince William is going to be there on behalf of

(25:18):
the king who's not going. The Vatican has shared now
images of the Pontiff in an open coffin, and we're
now getting more details about the funeral arrangements and in
a little over twelve hours time now, Pope Frances will
be taken to cent Peter Spasilica and the coffin will
be there until the burial, and that is for the

(25:39):
public to pay their respects to him.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Kevin it just doesn't end for the family of Medel
and McCain.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
Does it.

Speaker 13 (25:46):
I'm afraid not no. So a couple of extraordinary cases
currently before the judges here where two women have denied
stalking the family of Madeline macan. You remember the little
girl went missing and two thousand and seven, lots of
conspiracy theorists, lots of people suggesting that they might know

(26:06):
who it is. But I'm afraid the little girl has
never been found. And today a woman from southwest Poland
and a sixty year old from Cardiff in Wales attended
Leicester Crown Court. They entered not guilty please, and were
told that they would both go on trial on the
second of October. The twenty three year old from southwest Poland,

(26:28):
or Lubin, is accused of sending letters and messages to
Madeline's parents and also to her siblings Sean and Amelie McCann,
and also up to February of this year, the one
of the defenders accused of going to the family's home
in Leicestershire in the Midlands as well. So obviously a

(26:49):
great deal of the distress cause to the family and
these allegations being pursued through the courts now by those
relevant authorities, and last week Minister is here in the
UK approved a further two hundred and twenty thousand Aussie
dollars of funding for the ongoing investigation into Maddie's disappearance.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Kevin, thanks so much for your time this morning, love
you to catch up. It is eleven to six, French ESCA.
Prime Minister Christopher Luxen met with his British counterparts a
Kei Starma overnight, announcing a new agreement to deeper defense
and security ties. The UK has signed a sixty million
dollar deal with New Zealand for the supply of drones
to support Ukraine, and the pair also visited Kiwi troops

(27:30):
training frontline Ukrainian soldiers. Jeffrey Miller is a geopolitical analyst
and he joins me now, thanks for your time, Jeffrey.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Good morning French ESCA.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
How significant is this drone deal?

Speaker 5 (27:43):
Look, I think it is significant for the company and
who knew that we had a company in Mount Mont
and Ui producing these kinds of drones and they do
so out of a factory near London in the southeast
of England. So those drones will be heading off to Ukraine.
So I think Christopher Luxin is very keen to emphasize
New Zealand support for Ukraine on this trip. There's a

(28:06):
major meeting in London, I believe today with officials from Europe,
the US and Ukraine nothing out some of the details
of a peace proposal that will then be put to Russia.
And that could include Ukraine's recognition of crime the era
as Russian territory or international recognition of crimeras as Russian territory,

(28:29):
which would be a very very significant concession by Ukraine
to make and buy its Western partners. So I think
Ukraine really is front and center of the agenda at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Will you cate sorry, will Luckson get much of a
voice in these geopolitical moves or will he just be
doing what the big dogs tell him?

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Oh, I think you'll be keen to put New Zealand's
perspective on all of these matters. In the endadas Christopher
Luxen's job as New Zealand Prime Minister, I think really
does say he should be very mindful about others who
are watching. I think it's very easy for New Zealand
Prime to go to Number ten or go to the
White House etc. And be quite starstruck about where they
are and then agree to things that or say things

(29:08):
that really are more the view of their partners. In
this case, Kiirstarma, I think Christal Luction should be well
aware that China in particular will be watching what Christopher
Luxen says on all things defense. Christoph Luxeen may well
be keen to hype up some of the hawkish rhetoric,

(29:29):
given that he's even put out that quite strong defense
capability plan a couple of weeks ago, but I think
China will see some of that is aimed very much
at it. Whenever the talk goes about the Endo Pacific,
I think China feels targeted. And Christopher Luxeen is visiting London,
He's visits in many capitals now, he still hasn't made
a visit to Beijing, So I think Luxan needs to

(29:52):
be careful about body says and to make sure that
there's very much in line with New Zealand's interests.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Will the UK appreciate the ongoing support from New Zealand
and training Ukraine soldiers.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
No doubt.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
I mean the United Kingdom and in Europe generally, Ukraine
has so much the focus at the moment, while New
Zealand is in a very different part of the world
and has a wider view perhaps, or we're more focused
on the Asia Pacific or Into Pacific as it's often
called now, as well as Ukraine. If you're in Ukraine

(30:25):
really is the centerpiece. So I think that's really why
Ukraine is a big part of the agenda. But Trained
of course, is also going to be a big part
of the talks. We're approaching Donald Trump's first one hundred
days in office, and it's been a whirlwind one hundred
days and those tariffs that were announced on Liberation Day
as Trump called it, have only been suspended, they haven't

(30:48):
been canceled. There's only a ninety day this Boneman, So
I think Starma and Luxem will be really discussing about
where to from here, what's the game plan. And again
I think lux needs to be careful when you come
up with his proposals. We put out that proposal a
couple of weeks ago that the CPTPP could work with
the EU. The United Kingdom's already in the CPTPP or

(31:09):
the trans specific partnership. I think he needs to Luxy
needs to be careful here because again China will be watching.
China has already applied to join the CPTPP, and China
is the main target of Donald Trump's tariffs of up
to two hundred and forty five percent now and they
haven't been suspended, so I think when you're there you

(31:29):
should be probably showing some level of solidarity with China,
which is after all New Zealand's biggest trading partner. And
talks of just bringing the EU into the CPTPP I
think are a little bit premature, and the EU is
not particularly supportive of true free trade, so there'll be
a lot to talk about, no doubt, and that meeting

(31:51):
I believe has been happening over the last few hours
of Stuttereron UK.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Time, Jeffrey, we've got a lot of world leaders converging
at the pope's funeral. Should luxe and.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Be there, I think you showed I mean, certainly if
he's over already in the United Kingdom, he's heading to
Turkey for Anzac Day. It seems that the stars are
aligned in a way with the sad passing of the
Pope's death, and it would be easy for Luxelm to
head back to Rome for the funeral before heading back
to New Zealand. I don't know whether that's been confirmed yet.

(32:23):
You would surely think that luck would take that option
if it's available, because of the sideline opportunities, And as
your correspondent was mentioning, there's going to be a big
parade of world leaders there from across Europe and further afield,
including Trump himself, including Vladimer Zelenski and Manual Makran. All
manner of leaders are going to be there, so it

(32:43):
would be a good opportunity for some sideline conversations, much
in the same way that the Queen's funeral brought together
a lot of world leaders back in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Absolutely, thank you, Jeffrey Miller. Thank you very much for
your time this morning. Appreciate it. My costing is with me.
Next it is six to six.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
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Speaker 2 (33:06):
News Talk said they my costing is with us. Next.
What have you got coming up on the show?

Speaker 14 (33:10):
Well, we're going to celebrate.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
We're going to celebrate.

Speaker 9 (33:14):
We're going to.

Speaker 14 (33:14):
Celebrate the fact. Do you realize in March we sold
more things to the world than we've ever sold. Ever,
that is very exciting, isn't it exciting? And the part
of the part of the equation was the shocking dollar
because we're a third world nation and that's changing now
of course because of the teriffs and the whole debate
with Trump. Our dollars gone through the roof. I don't
know if you followed the currency markets, but we're sitting

(33:36):
at sixty years.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (33:37):
Good for a.

Speaker 14 (33:37):
Tourist, good for a tourists, not good for an exporter.
And so anyway, so we're going to talk about that
this morning. So there is some light at the end
of the tunnel, and the Britdowans are we.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Are exporting more of the same things we've been doing.
These are good questions.

Speaker 14 (33:50):
We're exporting it. There are two things going on. Piercing
question there, Francesca, well done. We're selling more and we're
selling more at a higher level. Okay, love our meat,
they love our wine, they love our dear. It's why
you hate buying the bucker and paying the price you
do for the butter, because we're paying the international prices. Anyway,
So a small amount of celebration before it all.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Too loving it, loving it, Mike Costing with you at
six for a celebration. I'll be back tomorrow at five.
Have a great day. Take care

Speaker 1 (34:21):
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