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July 29, 2025 • 34 mins

On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast 2025 Wednesday the 30th of July, 36 thousand nurses go on strike today, former Health NZ Chair Rob Campbell tells Ryan what he thinks needs to be done to reach an agreement with Health NZ.

The ANZ premiership will soon be free to air on TVNZ, NZ netball players association Executive Manager Steph Bond shares her thoughts. 

Cotality has done a report finding record numbers of us are refinancing our mortgages with a new bank, Chief Property Economist Kelvin Davison explains what it means. 

Plus UK/Europe Correspondent Gavin Grey has the latest on UK PM Sir Keir Starmer saying the UK will recognise a Palestinian state at a UN meeting in September unless Israel meets certain conditions.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the insight. Ryan Bridge on
early edition with ex pol insulation keeping Kimi Holmes warm
and dry. This winter news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
That'd be good morning. It is six after five. Great
to have your company on a Wednesday. Rob Campbell this
morning before six on the nurses strike, nets all kicking
off in a couple of hours time. We'll go to
the UK. Kirs Starmer's got an ultimatum for Israel on Palestine,
a new home for netball this morning. We'll tell you where, why,
when and will it mean the players are paid less?

(00:32):
Deals are plenty as well. If you're switching banks and
we've got some new numbers. There are records well highest
since twenty seventeen in terms of switching banks and trying
to get a deal at the moment. We'll talk to
totality about that shortly.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
The agenda.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
It is Wednesday, the thirtieth of July. The UK Prime
Minister so Kirstarm has just finished an emergency UN meeting
on Gaza today.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
As part of this process towards peace, I can confirm
the UK will recognize the State of Palestine by the
United Nations General Assembly in September unless the Israeli government
takes substantive steps to end the appalling situation in Gaza,
agree to a cease fire and commit to a long

(01:21):
term sustainable peace, reviving the prospect of a two state solution.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Meanwhile, the question are they starving? Are they not starving
in Gaza? Trump says yes, Nitnya who still says no.
And you've got international journalists unable to freely report inside Gaza.
But the reporters now saying they can actually see the
starvation even from the year.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
I've spent ten minutes looking at it with my own eyes,
and I can tell you that communities in the north
of Gaza that I.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Do well.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
Are black. There's nothing left of them.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Israel still denies this.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
There is a lay delay is the servation policies which
the international media is cooperating with.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Another assassination style shootings in New York City. Four people
have died and after this is after a gunment open
fire in a skyscraper in Manhattan, then shot himself. The
shooter with twenty seven years old Shane Timura, stormed into
the NFL headquarters, took the wrong lift, but still carried
out an attack. He left a note blaming the NFL

(02:30):
for a brain disease linked to head injuries, saying it
ruined his mind.

Speaker 6 (02:34):
According to our law enforcement partners in Las Vegas, mister
Tremora has a documented mental health history. His motives are
still under investigation and we are working to understand why
he targeted this particular location.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
If you're looking to have kids anytime soon, then you
might want to go to China to have them. This
is interesting why parents there are being offered nearly nine
hundred New Zealand dollars a year for each of their
children under the age of three. They hope to boost
the birth rates, which is surely a sign that the
one child policy was a bit of a flob.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Get ahead of the headlines on an early edition with
Ryan Branch and ex fole insulation keeping Kiwi Holmes warm
and dry.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
This winter news talks. He'd been nine after five. So
with this legislation for the voters, you know, going out
and casting doing your democratic duty. I see that the
past first reading on Tuesday afternoon in the house. Now,
I've been thinking about this for a couple of days
because I wasn't sure how I felt about it. But

(03:39):
now I know how I feel about it, I will
share it with you. If you are a lazy person
and you want to enroll on the same day that
you vote, that should be up to you. I don't
think you should be stopping people because society is filled
with It takes all sorts, doesn't it. Some of us
are really efficient onto it, we put stuff in our diaries.

(04:01):
Others are just lazy. Now, should you get paid the
doll just because you're a lazy person, No, because that's
everybody's money. But should you be able to if you're
lazy or forgetful or your moved household. There's a whole
bunch of reasons why you might need to enroll late,
but you shouldn't be excluded from democracy just because of
that reason. So I think this is a backward step.

(04:24):
And also, what's the cost? I mean you had? This
is what Paul Goldsmith had to say.

Speaker 7 (04:29):
Said.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
We had the Electoral Commission on the one hand with
a message saying get and rolled, get and rolled, and
they were funded with many millions of dollars to encourage
people to enroll, which is what the law says you
should do. But on the other hand they were also saying,
by the way, don't bother because you can just rock
up on election day and vote. Now, I think you
should be able to do both. You should be able
to do it early if you want to, or later

(04:50):
if you want to, and be lazy if you want to.
Because at the end of the day, the fact that
we live in a democracy is a great thing. But
we all need to be able to take part, whether
we're lazy or whether we're highly motivated individuals, because the
legitimacy of a democracy comes from everybody being involved. So
the more you try to share, And what is the cost?

(05:12):
What an extra week counting the votes? I mean, does
that going to will the sky fall in? I don't
think so. So I'm not really in favor of what
the government's trying to do. They're the prisoners. Well, I mean,
I'm not in prison, so that doesn't affect me. I'm
not really particularly concerned. But for late voting and for

(05:33):
you know, getting your enrollment done on time, I'm not
quite sure it's the right road to be going down. Personally.
Eleven minutes after five and ninety ninety two is the
number to text coming up next. If you're refinancing at
the moment your mortgage you are certainly not alone, highest
numbers since twenty seventeen doing this. So where are the deals?
Calvin Davidson from Totality next.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
On your radio and online on iHeartRadio early edition with
Ryan Bridge and ex full into keeping Keey Holmes warm
and dry this winter news talk, said.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Be it is five fourteen news talks. He'd be, Andy,
says Ryan. I bet you turn up late to board
the plane as well. Seriously, it's not that hard to
enroll early, Andy, I no, I used to do that,
To be honest with you, I did used to be
late to board the plane. Well, not late. I never
held a plane up, but I would never want to
get there early and sit in frustrated anxiety for the

(06:24):
flight to be called and then for everyone to line
up and then to board. Not my thing, Andy, Okay,
not my thing. But in terms of voter I mean,
it's a very different thing catching a plane to participating
in democracy, and isn't it. And I think you should
be able to get away with being a little bit
lazy and the participation should trump the slow count in

(06:47):
my view. Fourteen after five, Ryan Bridge, record numbers of
US are refinancing our mortgages with a new bank At
the moment. Numbers from the Reserve Bank show more than
three and a half thousand mortgage holders switched in the
last year. This makes it the highest rate of refinancing
since twenty seventeen. Calvin Davidson's Totality, Chief Property Economist with
me this morning. Calvin, good morning, Good morning. So how

(07:09):
many are coming off fixed? You have all the mortgage holders,
how many are coming off our fixed and the next
we are.

Speaker 8 (07:16):
Yeah, it's quite a lot.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
So well, if you start with about ten to twelve
percent of the loans they are on fludging rates right now,
and then if you look at perhaps the next six months,
there's about another forty percent of debt that's on a
fix rate now but due to rollover.

Speaker 7 (07:28):
In six months.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
So by the end of the year we're going to
have fifty five percent of loans seeing a rate change.
And so yeah, there's there's quite a bit of flexibility
there at the moment, and that's the thing people have,
the flexibility. Cash backs are being offered, So thank switching
is looking pretty appealing to people at thelone.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, what are the deals that you've heard about people are.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Getting, Well, sometimes those are having a little bit behind
the scenes, but few anecdotes a bit of personal experience.
So I think it's reasonably common to get sort of
point seven point eight percent of the loan as a
cash back up to certain caps. So it can be
a decent chunk of money if you're looking at a
fairly large mortgage. So it considerly makes sense for people

(08:08):
who are potentially under cash flow stress for sure.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
With fifty to fifty five percent, as you said, coming
off by year end. At what point do these lower
rates translate into higher prices for property?

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Well, yeah, the market in general at the moment is
we're calling it conflicting forces. So yes, ordinarily expect that
impact of lower morgite rates to be pushing out house prices,
and there's just a leg at the moment. I think
that's reflecting the other side of the ledge of those
conflicting forces, things like the weak economy and labor market.
Even if people have kept their job, perhaps still not

(08:42):
feeling as secure as they were, and so I think
that's really holding things back. I think the second half
of you could still be predy sejured for the market
for those impacts of lower interest rates start to come
through early next year. But even then it's unlikely to
be a boom because there's still a lot of supply
out there, and affordability isn't an't great. It's better than
it was, but still not great. So I think we're

(09:03):
looking at a flatish market.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
For a while.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Calvin, what about the loan to value ratio limits? Are they?
Are we getting close to? Are people getting close to
that yet? What's the situation with that and is that
potentially going to act as a ceiling on any future booms.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
I think the OBVI is, yeah, that's sort of doing
this thing they're taking along. It's very tough as an
investor to get a loan if you don't have a
thirty percent deposit. Low deposit finance is more available for
owner occupiers, but even then the limits aren't really being tested.
I think the credit restraint that people are probably watching
more closely is the debt to income ratios. Now, they're

(09:38):
not necessarily doing too much either just yet, because test
rates inside the bank's still high enough that that's what's
kepting loan sizes. So those rates coming down is why
the MORGIT rates come down, and that's the point at
which those formal debt to income ratio rules.

Speaker 7 (09:54):
Will start to kicking.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
So I think that's the thing that probably limits the
market over the medium term. And yeah, cert sector to
Adam's net mix of I guess a cautious outlook.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Calvin appreciate that interesting stuff. Calvin Davidson, Totality Chief Property
Economists with us this morning eighteen minutes after five. If
you didn't catch the start of that interview, we're talking
about the fact that loads of us are refinancing at
the moment, and we're switching banks are record in ut
well since twenty seventeen, we've got the highest number of
Kiwi switching banks for their mortgage lending. So many people

(10:26):
are against the enrollment late enrollment to vault vote. I'll
get to some of those techs in a second. Also,
next we're going to talk about netball. It's got a
new home and will this new home mean less money
for our players? We'll ask that question next.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Brian Bridge on early edition with X bowl insulation, keeping
kiey hoes warm and try this winter news talks.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
That'd be good tech from Barbe. We'll get to that
in a second. Twenty one after five. Now netball players
and fans alike can breathe a sigh of relief this morning,
the an Z Premiership has found a home for the
next few next year's season, this time it's going to
be free to air TV and Z. Steph Bond is
executive manager of the Netball Players Association, joining us this morning. Steph,
good morning, Good morning. You must be relieved that there

(11:12):
is a deal.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (11:15):
I think we are excited that it's going to be
on TV next year and a free at your platform
is exciting for the sport.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Do you get more people watching on free to air
than on Sky?

Speaker 8 (11:29):
Absolutely? I think especially for a sport like netball, when
where there's a huge amount of people playing it at
a community level, to have all those all those people
over to watch it on free to air will definitely
increase that as on the game.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Does it mean that they have settled for a lower
paying option with in terms of a broadcast partner.

Speaker 8 (11:51):
Yeah, Look, we can't obviously answer that. You'll have to
ask that question. That is is just I think that
we have ideals the next year in terms of what
it looks like.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Now, do you know any details yet about what it
might mean for players?

Speaker 8 (12:08):
Yeah, we're working through that at the moment, so we're
embargaining with it when you're done at the moment, So
that will now form part of the piece of what
it may look like next year in terms of payments
for players.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
What is the worry that players have? Is it that
you go with TV ands and you get less money.
There's less you know, salary or less pay for netball players.

Speaker 8 (12:29):
Yeah, we are obviously having to look at that right
now in terms of how it does in terms of
player payments. Over the last couple of weeks, players to
have a fairly good idea now of the picture for
next year. So it is really sitting down for each
individual player and looking at that and actually working out
with a play that will is the right option for
their next year.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
So it could come down to can I survive doing
this or do I actually need to get another job?

Speaker 8 (12:57):
Yeah, that is right. I think players will have to
look at it a little bit differently, especially for some players.
All of our players do already work at the same time,
so it may just been packing up a few extra hours.
But I think it will be a little bit different
in terms of potentially what it may look like next year.
But I think it will still work for the majority
of sas all.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Right, Steph, appreciate your time this morning, Steph Bond, executive
manager at New Zealand Netball Players Association. Time is twenty
three minutes half of five morning, Ryan says, Barb. If
you're too lazy to enroll to vote, then you're probably
too lazy to do any research, take any time to
really consider the different parties in the policies. We want
people who are engaged in the democratic process, and in

(13:40):
my opinion, enrolling in time is one indicator of that.
Good morning, Bob, lovely to have you texting the show.
I disagree with you. I think that might be your expectation, Barb,
of people that they are very prepared and on the
ball and crossing all the t's and dotting all the
eyes and getting there on time time. But people are busy.

(14:02):
People have a lot going on in their lives. They're
stuck in traffic, that battle through a cycle way, you know,
whatever it might be. Not everybody is the same, and
just because you don't share the same values as the
next person doesn't mean they shouldn't be voting. Now. The
question is how much extra time will it add to

(14:23):
account if we allow people to turn up and enroll
on the same day that they vote. Is it a
week and is a week worth stopping potentially up to
one hundred thousand people from voting. I don't think so.
I don't think it justifies it personally. Twenty four after five,
News Talks VB.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
The early edition full the show podcast on iHeartRadio, Power
It by NEWSTALKSB News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Twenty six minutes after five, Brook van Valden's anti health
and safety crusades taken a rather bizarre twist, don't you
think the plot twist that no one saw coming? All
but weird. She's consulting the public on safe activities for
kids and what they're allowed to do on farms, like
I cad you not watering plants and collecting chicken eggs.

(15:09):
It's a bit of an odd strategy, but the strategy
seems to be there's a potential problem with the law here.
Anyone under fifteen is technically not allowed to work on
a working farm. You could get fine. You can find
up to fifty thousand dollars actually, so quite a lot
of money not to be scoffed at. But nobody's actually
been done for letting little Johnny pick up eggs. So

(15:30):
it's a potential problem, not an actual problem, and the
minister's strategy surely is just to point out how ridiculous
the law is in the first place. But her response
sounds a bit off. Remember this is a minister who
says we need to get away from over regulation, away
from consultation, away from the nonsense. Just get let Kiwis

(15:52):
get on with it, Let the businesses get on with it,
Let the families get on with it and run their
own lives. She's quoted as saying, we'll be consulting with
farmers in the agricultural sector on the safety thresholds for
light chores children can do on farms while ensuring safety
is not compromised. I mean, what on earth? All of
it gobbledygook. Sounds a bit unnecessary, All sounds a bit odd.

(16:17):
If there's a problem, then why not just change it?
Why consult up the wazoo through till September, then waste
time and money on officials and advice and blah blah blah.
If it's a problem, then just make it go away quickly,
Brian Bread, That would be the act thing to do,
wouldn't it. Twenty eight minutes after five News Talk said

(16:37):
b Now the Brits are joining the French and recognizing
a Palestinian state. Well, it's an ultimatum that Keir Starmer
has issued overnight and ultimatum to Israel. The UK will
do this, will recognize a Palestinian state at the General
Assembly meeting in September. French are going to do it too,

(16:57):
unless the Israelis agree to a bunch of conditions, including
a cease fire. One hundred and forty countries have recognized
a palace in the estates so far. Gavin Gray out
of the UK on that afternoons and we will check
in with our reporters around the country as well, including
Claire Schubert, who's got a good story out of christ
Church this morning, all to do with architecture. A lot

(17:19):
of building going on in christ Church, Isn't there a
lot of things happening in christ Church at the moment
our reporters, and then Gavin Gray half five News Talk
said be.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
The news you need this morning and the in depth
analysis earlier this with Ryan Bridge and ex Bowl Insulation
keeping Kiwi homes warm and dry this winter News Talks
at b.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Twenty four minutes away from the six News Talk said,
but we'll get to our reporters in just a second.
Gavin Gray out of the UK on Keir Starmer's threat
to Israel, which has happened overnight, also before six, the
nurses strike kicking off in just a couple of hours.
We'll get to Rob Campbell on that. Ryan. This is
from John. I was made to work in the ball
shed when I was ten. I now realize on reflection,

(18:24):
I was a victim of chrial slave labor. I can
hopefully sue someone if they change the laws. Here and John,
you're preaching to the choir here. Ryan, can all governments
and councils please just get the beep out of our lives?
Says Luke. It would be nice, wouldn't it. This is
on the lazy voters situation. Ryan, d cut you a deal.
A lazy, inconsiderate person's vote should be worth half a vote,

(18:49):
So two half wits equal one vote, reflecting the value
that they put on the electoral system, says Simon. Right
twenty three away from six, Bryan breedsue to our reporters
around the country, Rosy Leishman's and Dunedan Rosi, good morning,
good morning, households. There you could be looking at bigger
power bills.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
I know.

Speaker 6 (19:09):
So.

Speaker 9 (19:09):
The Commerce Commission is seeking feedback on new revenue limits
for electricity lines company Aurora, which supplies power to Dunedin,
Central Opago and Queenstown Lakes. Its draft decision is to
allow Aurora to recover up to six hundred and sixty
three point seven million dollars over four years. Household electricity

(19:30):
bills could increase by around ten dollars a month next year,
followed by three dollar increases each year after feedback is
due by the end of next month.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
All right, how's your weather at Rosie?

Speaker 9 (19:41):
Cloudy periods and some southwesterlies today with the odd possibly
heavy shower becoming more frequent this afternoon and a high
of twelve degrees.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Nice one, Thanks Rosie. And clear than christ Church, Clear,
good morning to you.

Speaker 10 (19:53):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Now Open christ Church? What is it and what do
they want from us?

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (19:58):
Open christ Church is this festival It's been running for
several years now in christ Church. Effectively, what it does
is open up the doors of buildings that people may
or may not want to have a peek inside. Actually,
our building here at enzb Me and arm Street has
been in the open christ Church Festival. Before last year
we had Takaha Stadium that I went in and had
a look around of the stadium as part of Open

(20:19):
christ Church. Previously it's been some old buildings at Boys
High and things like the cathedral. Now the Open christ
Church team has put the call out to say, look
what buildings would you like to see behind the doors
of and they will consider them for next year's festival.
The key thing is the director, Jessica Halliday says, anyone
who does that needs to make sure that they actually
have permission to nominate the building from the owner or

(20:41):
kaitiaki or occupier. Obviously, without the permission to do so,
then they wouldn't know which nominations were serious or not.
But if you do have a building that you'd like
to see behind the doors of, you can nominate it
from now up until August twenty two.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
I've not been to ended me off for some christ Church.
What's so great about why would people want to see
inside apart from to see you your lovely self?

Speaker 7 (21:02):
Clear?

Speaker 10 (21:02):
Of course, of course it is the old Ministry buildings
building here. It's a very historic building and obviously we've
gutted it and then put a radio station inside it.
So it's one of those interesting situations where it's a
very old building but looks very mod and cool inside.
So believe it or not, they came parading through.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
There we go house you weather well, Claudy.

Speaker 10 (21:22):
A bit of showers on the forecast today could be
a thunderstorm with HAILO bit later to southwesterlies and the
highest fourteenth.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
All right, thank you Max and Wellington. Hey Max, good morning.
Have you got two for one drinks in the capital year.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
We should be celebrating, but rather a bar's license has
been suspended for advertising two for one drinks, quite a
severe penalty for the residents. Bar on Courtney Place forced
to close for two days after promoting this happy hour
deal on a chalkboard that was inside the bar, but
which could still be seen from the footpath outside. The

(21:56):
rule being you can't do business in a way that's
seen from outside the business. And so the City Council
took the residence to the Alcohol Regulatory Licensing Authority and
it has to shut not just on a Monday or
a Tuesday, which is what you might think you would do,
would you have to close for two days? But by
rule apparently it has to close on a Wednesday and Thursday,
which will inevitably cost the residents thousands of dollars. The

(22:19):
bar's owner, he's run a foul of the council a
few times. In fact, he's complaining about how unnecessarily strict
anti business it can be. In this instance, though, he
is just going to lump it and abide by the ruling,
despite saying this was a minor breach.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
All right, how's your weather showers today?

Speaker 5 (22:37):
Northerlys fourteen the high central.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Right thinks Max Neighbors and aukl Nava, good morning, good morning,
that damn rain that.

Speaker 11 (22:44):
Day, or you're firing an old cylinders? Is your comedy?

Speaker 4 (22:49):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yes, Auckland's dams.

Speaker 11 (22:52):
Expected to reach full capacity. This for the first time
Ryan in almost two years.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (22:58):
So today's with the system to push Auckland's water supply
damps to about over one hundred percent. Now water care
head of water, water key head of water. Yeah, Sharon denks.
Now she says that look the stuff. They're going to
keep a close eye on this total storage levels as
the rain continues. But I can tell you that at
at four pm yesterday, the total storage for Auckland was

(23:20):
sitting at ninety nine point eight percent.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Ah, so surely they would have got there because it
rain cats and dogs last night.

Speaker 11 (23:26):
Last night exactly and that wonder yep so expected to
reach one hundred percent sometime today. They're all very, very
excited because I remember over the last couple of years,
if there weren't any Auckland stories to run over winter
over the last two you know seasons, I'd say, what's
our damn level sitting at? It was always one you
knew you could you could read out because you know,
it was never over one hundred percent. Then I selt, right, well,

(23:47):
I'm going to have to find a new story now.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I always thought, you know, when they do the Savior water,
conserve your water, we want to, yes, I always thought
that they should to encourage Aucklanders to light the skytower
up with how full the day as also it'll be
a challenge for everybody to get the lights going all
the way to the top.

Speaker 11 (24:05):
That would be quite cool. You know, that would be
very expensive though, wouldn't it was?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
That probably rain on my parade? How's that weather?

Speaker 7 (24:13):
Rain?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
More rain, rain, easy in two showers.

Speaker 11 (24:16):
Look, I've got to tell you though, the show is
becoming more frequent in the afternoon, possibly heavy and thunderya
and not my words, but you know this is what
met to s small hale. Small hale as opposed to
big hale seventeen is a high brilliance.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
So it won't knock us over. Then, never think you
never ready made an orphan small hail and a bit
of rain. Seventeen away from six News Talks B, we'll
get to Gavin Gray out of the UK on Kers
Starmer and his threat to Israel.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Next International Correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business quarter.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Effects on your Wednesday morning. We'll get to Rob Campbell
on the nurses strike in a second. Right now, Gavin
Gray are UK europe Correspondent, Gavin, welcome to the show.
Other run so Kirs Starmer's come out and basically join
the French saying to Israel, if you don't sort out
a ceasefire by September by this UN meeting, then we'll
recognize Palestinian state.

Speaker 12 (25:07):
Yeah, this is quite a change of tactic here by
the British and buy indeed, Sirkir Starmer himself, who has
really shrugged off demands from his own MPs and others
saying the situation in Gaza is so bad now we
really need to demand a two state solution to this.
Just a few days ago, two hundred and twenty one
MPs from nine parties urged the recognition of a Palestinian state,

(25:31):
many of them from the Labor Government Sakir Starmer's own
Labor Party. So what they're saying is unless Israel meets
certain conditions, and those conditions are substantive steps to end
the appalling situation in Gaza, including a ceasefire and the
commitment of long term peace process talks, then the UK

(25:52):
will officially at the UN meeting, along with France, basically
recognize Palestinian state. So France was going to be the
first G seven country to do it. Now it's looking
like the first and second we'll do it at the
same time. This, as I said, is a huge U turn,
but amid huge pressure as well and terrible terrible headlines.
Sixty thousand now killed in Gaza, it's been estimated during

(26:15):
the Israeli action there, the UN Agency saying famine is
now playing out on a wide scale. Israel says no
starvation and of the UK's latest move. Israel says it
rejects the statement it's rewarding hammers for the October twenty
twenty three attack, and also says that the British move
Harm's efforts for a ceasefar.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Meanwhile, Trump's wrapping up his trip to Scotland. We golf
truck yes on his.

Speaker 12 (26:37):
Way on his way back home after four days here
in the UK in what I can only describe as
a sort of private trip and a business trip, but
funded by the American taxpayer. The visiting of two golf
course is okay. The long discussion of course with the
UK Prime Minister Sir Clear Starmer, the announcement of the
trade deal with the EU, and today a conversation it

(27:00):
was said to be up to about fifteen to twenty
minutes with John Swinney, the First Minister of Scotland. The
main thing was discussing whiskey tariffs. John Swinney is desperate
that this business, worth one point nine billion New Zealand
dollars last year, is going to be hit by the
ten percent tariffs that Donald Trump has imposed. Donald Trump

(27:21):
said he didn't realize that tariffs were going to affect
the industry so much, so maybe just maybe John Swinney's
words might get the tax break for the whiskey industry,
but I wouldn't hold your breath. Donald Trump apparently not
a big whiskey fan.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, doesn't drink at all. Appreciate that. Gavin Graykay, your correspondent.
Time now is twelve minutes.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
To six rand Bridge, nine am.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Thirty six thousand nurses go on strike. It's a twenty
four hour strike. Pay staffing levels, big sticking points and
negotiations Health New Zealand rickens more than four and a
half thousand plan procedures and specialist appointments will have to
be postponed.

Speaker 11 (27:55):
We'll be running at a very light levelness and the
sort of calvi you'd expect on a bank holiday Christmas Day.
So the minimum to provide safe care, that's what we
aim to do.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Rob Campbell is the former. I don't know what I
was expecting from the accent, but no, it wasn't that
Rob Campbell's former healthyciens here, Hey Rob.

Speaker 7 (28:14):
Good morning Ryan. Now, don't don't you be racist or
anything about that?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
No, no, no, it's just a lovely Welsh accent for
a Wednesday morning. But probably the tone doesn't match the
way that nurses are feeling. I would imagine, can you
tell me, because I've asked the union and I've asked
Health New Zealand, do we have a shortage of how
many nurses are we short in our hospitals? Right now?

Speaker 7 (28:37):
I can't give you a number, but there's no question
that there's a shortage. On Health New Zealand's own safe
staffing levels numbers, there are any number of shifts, some
say up to half which are not properly staffed, so
there's no question there is a shortage of nurses available
in our public hospitals. There are nurses available to fill

(28:58):
those jobs in many cases, but Health News is shall
we say, quite slow to take up many of those opportunities,
so they are running with staffing levels below those which
are ideal, or even ones to which they've previously agreed.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
How much of this do you think can be solved
by increasing the salaries, the wages.

Speaker 7 (29:20):
All of the salaries are important to the people, to
the men and women involved as nurses. But actually I
think the bigger issue is one of trust. There's been
a complete breakdown of trust between nurses and many other
health professionals, and the leadership and political and administrative of
the health system. And I think that people don't simply

(29:42):
trust general assurances anymore. They want to see rules which
are enforceable so that their working conditions are safe and
capable of being met. So pay is part of it.
But I don't think simply increasing the payoff or will
solve the problem. This has to be solved face to
face with the nurses and the people that they're working for.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
They strike off. I mean, it doesn't matter who's empower
they strike. You know, what do you say to people
who will say, well, you know, you just after more money.
I'm not getting paid more. I mean one percent is
better than no percent.

Speaker 7 (30:14):
Well, it looks as if you're on the board of
Health US and you might be in for a bit
of an increase from yesterday's announcement by the government. But
this is not particularly about this current government. There have
been successive governments that have not been dealing with the
issue of how the health workforce is properly treated and
involved in their own workplace. You know, we rely on
these people, the men and women who are nurses. We

(30:37):
rely on them when we're at our most vulnerable, and
it's not reasonable that we take advantage of them in
the ways that we currently do. So somehow that trust
has to be re established and that's going to be
a process that takes quite some time in my opinion,
but some steps have to be made by giving assurances
about these safe staffing levels and meeting at least a

(30:57):
wage increase which covers the red and appears to be
the main trust of the nurse's pay demon.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Rob appreciate that. This morning. Rob Campbell, former Health ends
in Cheer, it is eight minutes away from six Probably
would have got a lot more money had he been
in power under this government. Just coming up to eight
minutes away from six now, and we'll give you the
gang the latest numbers on how many gang members on
the National gang List from police.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Next the first word on the News of the Day
early edition with Ryan Bridge and x fol Insulation keeping
Kiwi Holmes warm and dry. This winter news talks a'd
be It is.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Six minutes away from six now. The national gang list,
this is the one the police put together in twenty
twenty three at the election. Remember it was a huge deal.
During the election campaign we had nine two hundred odd
on the list and now we have more than ten thousand.
First time it's cracked ten thousand. It's an increase of
seven hundred gang members and associates. You can argue until

(31:58):
the cows come home about how accurate the day is,
but you got you had one party using it. Now
you've got another part of using it. And Labor's basically
using this all day long. However, the inconvenient part for
Labor is the fact that it went up four thousand
over the six years they were in power. It's five
to six. Mike's in the studio, Good morning, Mike Morning.

Speaker 13 (32:20):
That's Mitchell's argument that the increase has slowed down now
more and more importantly, apart from obsessing about numbers, surely
the crime connections, the key isn't it is crime going
up exponentially because you have more gang members or are
they just joining for brotherhood and to play twister at not.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Better at stats. But the thing is that they haven't
proved themselves on crime yet. I don't think. I think
ye see that if you look at the numbers they've
got down, it's it's margin of era stuff. So ye,
I would would a gang list going up still.

Speaker 13 (32:52):
Depicted by the gangs, and that's so it's it's perception,
and it's downtown. The story of the weekend is a
little bit of crime and down Auckland. Downtown Aukland spiked,
so they're jumping on that. But I think the perception,
which is half the battle, as opposed to the numbers,
is do you feel safe? Do you see the same
sort of trouble around the streets? Are the toyoti erras
is being driven into the dairy doors the way they
used to be? And the answers, no, wasn't it, Well

(33:14):
if you haven't seen evidence stats.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Of it, Yeah, but we don't.

Speaker 13 (33:18):
We don't won't run those things on evidence. What what
you do run on crimes out of control?

Speaker 7 (33:24):
Is it prove it?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Do you feel safer? Yes, I do prove it. I
think you can safely say that the police have sort
of hardened up a bit, correct, you know.

Speaker 13 (33:32):
And I think it's like it's like the health thing
you were talking about a moment ago. I mean, do
you feel that the health system is better? Do you
feel more confident in the health system? And that's a
bit of a no at the moment, that's a that's
a sort of a back and forward kind of we're
doing more, paying more.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Unless you've got a cataract you just had done via
the private system, and then you're.

Speaker 13 (33:51):
Probably that's and that's part of the argument, isn't it then?
And I think Siman's right on that if you're if
you're in there getting your operation, you couldn't care less
where it's done, could you at the end of the
day anyway, all of.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
That more after six o'clock. Very good, looking forward to it,
Mike with the next I'll be back tomorrow. Have a
great day everyone.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live
to News Talks it'd be from five am weekdays, or
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