Wellington Central MP Tamatha Paul is again dismissing criticism of her views on policing.
Billboards depicting Paul and Green Party co-leader Chloe Swarbrick have popped up in Wellington and Auckland -- with the tagline - 'Defund the Police, vote Green'.
The Sensible Sentencing Trust is behind the ads, and claims the Greens have expressed copyright concerns about their use of official candidate photos.
Newstalk ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper unpacks the reactions from today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right now, Barry Soap is here.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hey, bess what's Stephen good Joy's going to say about Trumps?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Well, Stephen Joyce will have a lot to say about
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's unbelievable, isn't it. I Mean I've listened and read
and everyone is on the same side except Donald Trump,
it would seem. But yeah, you know the Chinese today,
you know the threat that tariffs that we fifty percent
more on China. I mean, it just goes on and
on and on. It seems this man doesn't quite have
(00:29):
a grip on reality.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Well no, I mean there's there's economic insanity going on.
But also did you read Cameron Baggery's piece this morning.
I thought it was really interesting. He talks about the
hollowing out that you know, free trade has been great
for countries like US, the countries like America. It's hollowed
out their manufacturing base. It's hollowed out the rust belt.
And so you've got a whole bunch of people in
(00:51):
wealthy free trading nations who are feeling quite disenfranchised. And
the answer to them is something quite extreme. It's what
Trump's doing, yes, but it doesn't mean it to work.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That is true, But then it's going to take a
generation before you can restore once you once had to
unfund what you once had, because you know, if you
look at all the manufacturing plants like Nike and Lulu
Lemon that were in China went to Vietnam. Now Vietnam
is being imposed with a great tariff, and Trump believes
(01:25):
that they'll suddenly now upsticks move back to the United States. Well,
it doesn't quite work like that. And as somebody said,
cell phones will soon cost three thousand bucks a pop
because most of their componentory is made outside America.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And actually when that happens, I'll be quite I'll be
quite happy because we could do without the damn things.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, but the battle with China, I mean I find
that incredible. And I see that Trump will I heard
them say today that China's a close country. I mean
he's got to be having a laugh. I mean, look
at New Zealand, for example. Are we export twenty billion
dollars worth of product to China now which a year,
(02:06):
which is pretty extraordinary. But in the house today, Nikola
Willis was being quizzed by her opposite number, Barbara Adam
Edmunds from Labor who seem not to realize the gravity
of the Trump ter battering ram on this country.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Is the government going to use US tariffs and worsening
global economic conditions as an excuse to hire their economic mismanagement. No,
mister speaker, we don't do excuses.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
We take responsibility for the actions we can control.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The Honorable David Seymour, with.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
The Minister of Finance, characterize the significant and dramatic and
sudden changes in US tariffs as a quote unquote excuse
or the biggest thing to hit the world economy in
a long time that is creating turmoil in every market.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
That must to speak.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Minister Seymour makes a very good point.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You, well, how could you disagree with that? Honestly? How
could you use what's happening in the world as an excuse?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I mean, well, it might say more about her than
it does about Nichola.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It could do too.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Now the beat cops and their effect. Tamotha Paul silent
on this.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, yes, indeed it was interesting in the House today,
Not only Tamatha Paul but the Greens were silent on this.
And of course the billboards that we saw and we
talked about yesterday attacking Green Party MP's Chloe Swarbrick and
Tamotha Pool, both Auckland and Wonnington Central MPs. And the
(03:43):
group is of course the Sensible Sentencing Trust and they
look like legitimate billboards. A second set of billboards. They said, whoop, whoop,
defund police. Now as I understand that, that's a reference
to KRS one's track sound of Dark Police. Now I
don't know that, but somebody told me that and it
(04:04):
was played by Paul during her and I think we
heard it. We're listening to it. Yeah, the Cuba Dupa
last month. But that was the theme that was picked
up by the Police Minister Mark Mitchell, who was defending
the police's beat patrols in Paul's own electorate of Wellington
Central last year.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Alongside a fifty four percent increase in foot patrols aggravated
Robbie's in the Wellington district dropped by thirty three point
six percent, being visible as a critical part of successful policing,
Honorball Chris Bishop, Yes, the Minister received any positive feedback
about the Wellington beat teams from the Member of Parliament
for Wellington Central. Unfortunately No, the Honorable Paul Goldsmith, is
(04:45):
it the government's policy to defund the police. No, it's
not this Gillment's policy to defund the police.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Then Paul Goldsman is actually not a hip hop man,
is he really?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You don't have to say that, Tys. But it's the
way he says things. I don't know, he's got a
weird voice. Hey, staying in Wellington. This is a great
story from today if true. If true, Andrew Little apparently
going to stand for Maya.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well Yes, and I suspect that's exactly what we'll hear
within the next few days. The Labor Party, they've been
canvassing around for a candidate and they've really struggled to
find one. I mean, it'll be interesting to see if
Andrew Little. And he's very much a labor man, of course,
he was the former leader of the Labor Party before
he stepped aside God for Justin Dern just out from
(05:39):
the twenty seventeen election. Perhaps he will be held accountable
for that and Wantington Central, but he I think he
will stand. He's a good man, Andrew Little. He yes,
you know, he's got a good broad view of not
just politics but of life in general. I personally get
on very wealth and I like him a lot and
(05:59):
I hope that he does stand in Wellington, but because
for goodness sake do they need it? And the comment
from Tory Funnel was that Wellington needed continuity right now.
If there's anything they don't need is continuity. They need
(06:20):
to get rid of that lot that currently occupy council
cheers right now.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
When they kept Adrian or on for continuity, what that's
the opposite of what we need?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Just goes to show how out of touch Tory Funew is.
She expected she'd be there for three terms. Well, I
hate to tell her this, but I don't think she'll
be there beyond the October elections.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Ryan this textas says, if there is anyone worse than
Tory to be the mayor of Wellington, it's Andrew Little.
He wouldn't put criminals in prison, did nothing on health,
was soft on everything when he was a minister. God
help Wellington.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
There you go, Andrew.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I disagree with that, but yeah, anything's better than Tory.
Thanks Barry for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Listen live to news talks it be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
Right now, Barry Soap is here.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hey, bess what's Stephen good Joy's going to say about Trumps?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Well, Stephen Joyce will have a lot to say about
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's unbelievable, isn't it. I Mean I've listened and read
and everyone is on the same side except Donald Trump,
it would seem. But yeah, you know the Chinese today,
you know the threat that tariffs that we fifty percent
more on China. I mean, it just goes on and
on and on. It seems this man doesn't quite have
(00:29):
a grip on reality.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Well no, I mean there's there's economic insanity going on.
But also did you read Cameron Baggery's piece this morning.
I thought it was really interesting. He talks about the
hollowing out that you know, free trade has been great
for countries like US, the countries like America. It's hollowed
out their manufacturing base. It's hollowed out the rust belt.
And so you've got a whole bunch of people in
(00:51):
wealthy free trading nations who are feeling quite disenfranchised. And
the answer to them is something quite extreme. It's what
Trump's doing, yes, but it doesn't mean it to work.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That is true, But then it's going to take a
generation before you can restore once you once had to
unfund what you once had, because you know, if you
look at all the manufacturing plants like Nike and Lulu
Lemon that were in China went to Vietnam. Now Vietnam
is being imposed with a great tariff, and Trump believes
(01:25):
that they'll suddenly now upsticks move back to the United States. Well,
it doesn't quite work like that. And as somebody said,
cell phones will soon cost three thousand bucks a pop
because most of their componentory is made outside America.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And actually when that happens, I'll be quite I'll be
quite happy because we could do without the damn things.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, but the battle with China, I mean I find
that incredible. And I see that Trump will I heard
them say today that China's a close country. I mean
he's got to be having a laugh. I mean, look
at New Zealand, for example. Are we export twenty billion
dollars worth of product to China now which a year,
(02:06):
which is pretty extraordinary. But in the house today, Nikola
Willis was being quizzed by her opposite number, Barbara Adam
Edmunds from Labor who seem not to realize the gravity
of the Trump ter battering ram on this country.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Is the government going to use US tariffs and worsening
global economic conditions as an excuse to hire their economic mismanagement. No,
mister speaker, we don't do excuses.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
We take responsibility for the actions we can control.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The Honorable David Seymour, with.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
The Minister of Finance, characterize the significant and dramatic and
sudden changes in US tariffs as a quote unquote excuse
or the biggest thing to hit the world economy in
a long time that is creating turmoil in every market.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
In the world.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
That must to speak.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Minister Seymour makes a very good point.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You, well, how could you disagree with that? Honestly? How
could you use what's happening in the world as an excuse?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I mean, well, it might say more about her than
it does about Nichola.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It could do too.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Now the beat cops and their effect. Tamotha Paul silent
on this.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, yes, indeed it was interesting in the House today,
Not only Tamatha Paul but the Greens were silent on this.
And of course the billboards that we saw and we
talked about yesterday attacking Green Party MP's Chloe Swarbrick and
Tamotha Pool, both Auckland and Wonnington Central MPs. And the
(03:43):
group is of course the Sensible Sentencing Trust and they
look like legitimate billboards. A second set of billboards. They said, whoop, whoop,
defund police. Now as I understand that, that's a reference
to KRS one's track sound of Dark Police. Now I
don't know that, but somebody told me that and it
(04:04):
was played by Paul during her and I think we
heard it. We're listening to it. Yeah, the Cuba Dupa
last month. But that was the theme that was picked
up by the Police Minister Mark Mitchell, who was defending
the police's beat patrols in Paul's own electorate of Wellington
Central last year.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Alongside a fifty four percent increase in foot patrols aggravated
Robbie's in the Wellington district dropped by thirty three point
six percent, being visible as a critical part of successful policing,
Honorball Chris Bishop, Yes, the Minister received any positive feedback
about the Wellington beat teams from the Member of Parliament
for Wellington Central. Unfortunately No, the Honorable Paul Goldsmith, is
(04:45):
it the government's policy to defund the police. No, it's
not this Gillment's policy to defund the police.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Then Paul Goldsman is actually not a hip hop man,
is he really?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You don't have to say that, Tys. But it's the
way he says things. I don't know, he's got a
weird voice. Hey, staying in Wellington. This is a great
story from today if true. If true, Andrew Little apparently
going to stand for Maya.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well Yes, and I suspect that's exactly what we'll hear
within the next few days. The Labor Party, they've been
canvassing around for a candidate and they've really struggled to
find one. I mean, it'll be interesting to see if
Andrew Little. And he's very much a labor man, of course,
he was the former leader of the Labor Party before
he stepped aside God for Justin Dern just out from
(05:39):
the twenty seventeen election. Perhaps he will be held accountable
for that and Wantington Central, but he I think he
will stand. He's a good man, Andrew Little. He yes,
you know, he's got a good broad view of not
just politics but of life in general. I personally get
on very wealth and I like him a lot and
(05:59):
I hope that he does stand in Wellington, but because
for goodness sake do they need it? And the comment
from Tory Funnel was that Wellington needed continuity right now.
If there's anything they don't need is continuity. They need
(06:20):
to get rid of that lot that currently occupy council
cheers right now.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
When they kept Adrian or on for continuity, what that's
the opposite of what we need?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Just goes to show how out of touch Tory Funew is.
She expected she'd be there for three terms. Well, I
hate to tell her this, but I don't think she'll
be there beyond the October elections.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Ryan this textas says, if there is anyone worse than
Tory to be the mayor of Wellington, it's Andrew Little.
He wouldn't put criminals in prison, did nothing on health,
was soft on everything when he was a minister. God
help Wellington.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
There you go, Andrew.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I disagree with that, but yeah, anything's better than Tory.
Thanks Barry for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Listen live to news talks it be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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