China's showed off its newest weapons in a major military parade in Beijing marking the end of World War Two.
President Xi Jinping oversaw the event in Tiananmen Square, with Kim Jong Un and Vladimir Putin by his side.
Former Prime Ministers Sir John Key and Helen Clark were in attendance.
Newstalk ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper discussed the event.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I've got to tell you about the New Zealand first
Act online battle that's going on. But right now, first
we'll deal with Barry Soper. It's quarter two Barry Soper,
Senior Political correspondence with us Alo Berry.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Good afternoon, has So, Penny Nada, you were.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Right, does actually appear to want the leadership?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Well?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yes, it's interesting, isn't it that he keeps sort of
batting in a way as Winston Peters was wont to
do when he was the MP for Taro.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
But he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, he's got to be the MP for Tamaki Makodo
first before he can probably become the leader of the
Labor Party. But I can tell you I have it
on very good authority. It's impeccable authority that he has
touted himself as a future leader of the Labor Party.
So you know, this man is driven by what he
(00:46):
sees himself in the future as being is leading the
Labor Party, which I doubt in the current climate he
would get to leave.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Why tell me why? Because can I can? I we
got into you weren't listening, but we got into a
hole on the huddle yesterday where we started talking about
who would lead Labor if Chippy was rolled, which is
an inevitability at some stage, and we were picking winners,
why can't it be Penny He's got the backing. I
would have thought of Willie Jackson, who's got a lot
of clous on the Labor Party.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Look, Peni Henar is a really nice man. I personally
like him, but you know it's and this. They'll say
I'm racist. Will He calls me a racist all the
time anyway. But I think at the moment, given the
current climate, for Labor to get on the track of
electing Penni Henar as their leader would be a big
(01:35):
problem for them. When you've got the mad carping from
the sideline.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Which surely it neutralizes the Maori Party, you've got the
mar The person who become the first could become the
first Maori Prime minister of the country.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I don't know whether the public would warm to that idea,
but look early in twenty twenty four, just after Labour's defeat,
Henane told Q and A he was asked often about
up becoming the Labor leader.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, people do ask me sort of, maybe every once
a week or twice week. Maybe a lot of fun,
a lot of fun. But look, I appreciate I've been
in politics now for coming up ten years. I consider
myself a senior member of the Labor Party. But as
I've always maintained, I support Chris Sipkins. We've got a
lot of work to do as a party for me. Look,
(02:21):
I'm like I say, I consider myself a senior leader
in our team, and I'll be there to play my partner.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I bet you were not suggesting before that the public
wouldn't warm to having a Maori prime minister, were you.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes, I was because of what's been going on in Parliament,
and certainly Willie Jackson doesn't endeare yourself to having a
Maori leader. Neither, I would imagine, unfortunately, would.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Pen I would have thought that Penie's biggest problem actually
is that he comes out with wacky policies like one of.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
The patches back that's making policy on the hoof, isn't
it when it comes to a barlection. I don't know
whether gave a great deal thought to that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, he doubled down on it. Well, yes, so he's
maybe a bit radical for people.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, I just don't think the public would warm too
him being the leader.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
All right, now, what did you make of those those
tanks and drones?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, you know, I thought the point was made to
the political scientist earlier that well, wasn't New Zealand invited?
I mean, we had John Key and Helen Clark there,
and it was Helen Clark's government which, of course negotiated
the free trade agreement with China, the first with the West.
And John Key had the good fortune of coming into
(03:35):
power in two thousand and eight during the global financial crisis,
but right at the time that we were getting the
benefits of the Chinese free trade agreement, so you know,
he can be thankful for that. And I thought it
was good that they were both there. But look, I
think New Zealand is seen as being embraced more by America.
(03:56):
And interestingly, Winston Peters is an extraordinarily good foreigeign minister.
But when he was Foreign Minister Helen Clark, the signing
of that agreement, he raised eyebrows in Beijing. I was
there by not being there at the signing ceremony, so
you know they will look at that as well and
see that you know, our foreign minister is Winston Peters.
(04:16):
I'm not saying they wouldn't issue an invitation because of that.
But you know, it is to me quite interesting why
we weren't invited in that military parade. What a magnificent
spectacle that was. I mean it was absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Won't be saying that when it's aimed at Taiwan. Well,
you know it's magnificent.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
You know, barriers was set up for the locals. You
couldn't watch it. And I've bent to Tenem and Square
on a number of occasions, and they were kept a
block back, and all they could say it was on
livestream television. And they released eighty thousand pigeons, eighty thousand balloons.
You can imagine what Beijing must have been like. It
(04:57):
must have been an absolute spectacle.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Berry would they do us? It's between doves and pigeons, I.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Know, but no, I've been told they were pigeons.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
They were duves, like peace doves. We're going to check
this fact because this is not flying rats. Well misinformed
if they were dubs, very really quickly tell me what's
happened here with Seymour versus Swarbrick.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Well, it'll be really quick because I've missed Chloe Swarbrick
this week. And then I got my fizz this morning
when she was debating David Seymour on the foreign buyers
once again being allowed to buy top end houses in
this country. Seymour clearly got under her wick when he
was lauding the policy of a listen.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Two days ago, I was down just here in the
Auckland CBD. I was with a couple of businesses that
have a number of homelessness. This is the investment that
we're talking about, right. Some of these people they say, look,
actually I want to come to New Zealand a bit
more long term. I think I might invest in a
few more businesses, I might do some philanthropy and conservation.
(06:00):
And then you say, okay, well you know, maybe maybe
you'd like to buy a home.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Now.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
If I was on the opposition right now, this is
one where I'd actually say no, no, that one's good.
I'm going to welcome that. But as we've just heard,
we've just got this reflex of SoundBite politics that ain't
taking anyone anywhere.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
This is about the kind of economy that we get
to choose to create the conditions of as politicians. That
is not sustainable, it is not fair, and it is
not the old edo in New Zealand that I believe
most New Zealanders believe in.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So there, mister so Barry, thank you very much, very so,
for senior political correspondence. For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive,
listen live to news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
Listen.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I've got to tell you about the New Zealand first
Act online battle that's going on. But right now, first
we'll deal with Barry Soper. It's quarter two Barry Soper,
Senior Political correspondence with us Alo Berry.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Good afternoon, has So, Penny Nada, you were.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Right, does actually appear to want the leadership?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Well?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yes, it's interesting, isn't it that he keeps sort of
batting in a way as Winston Peters was wont to
do when he was the MP for Taro.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
But he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, he's got to be the MP for Tamaki Makodo
first before he can probably become the leader of the
Labor Party. But I can tell you I have it
on very good authority. It's impeccable authority that he has
touted himself as a future leader of the Labor Party.
So you know, this man is driven by what he
(00:46):
sees himself in the future as being is leading the
Labor Party, which I doubt in the current climate he
would get to leave.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Why tell me why? Because can I can? I we
got into you weren't listening, but we got into a
hole on the huddle yesterday where we started talking about
who would lead Labor if Chippy was rolled, which is
an inevitability at some stage, and we were picking winners,
why can't it be Penny He's got the backing. I
would have thought of Willie Jackson, who's got a lot
of clous on the Labor Party.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Look, Peni Henar is a really nice man. I personally
like him, but you know it's and this. They'll say
I'm racist. Will He calls me a racist all the
time anyway. But I think at the moment, given the
current climate, for Labor to get on the track of
electing Penni Henar as their leader would be a big
(01:35):
problem for them. When you've got the mad carping from
the sideline.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Which surely it neutralizes the Maori Party, you've got the
mar The person who become the first could become the
first Maori Prime minister of the country.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I don't know whether the public would warm to that idea,
but look early in twenty twenty four, just after Labour's defeat,
Henane told Q and A he was asked often about
up becoming the Labor leader.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, people do ask me sort of, maybe every once
a week or twice week. Maybe a lot of fun,
a lot of fun. But look, I appreciate I've been
in politics now for coming up ten years. I consider
myself a senior member of the Labor Party. But as
I've always maintained, I support Chris Sipkins. We've got a
lot of work to do as a party for me. Look,
(02:21):
I'm like I say, I consider myself a senior leader
in our team, and I'll be there to play my partner.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I bet you were not suggesting before that the public
wouldn't warm to having a Maori prime minister, were you.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes, I was because of what's been going on in Parliament,
and certainly Willie Jackson doesn't endeare yourself to having a
Maori leader. Neither, I would imagine, unfortunately, would.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Pen I would have thought that Penie's biggest problem actually
is that he comes out with wacky policies like one of.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
The patches back that's making policy on the hoof, isn't
it when it comes to a barlection. I don't know
whether gave a great deal thought to that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, he doubled down on it. Well, yes, so he's
maybe a bit radical for people.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, I just don't think the public would warm too
him being the leader.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
All right, now, what did you make of those those
tanks and drones?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, you know, I thought the point was made to
the political scientist earlier that well, wasn't New Zealand invited?
I mean, we had John Key and Helen Clark there,
and it was Helen Clark's government which, of course negotiated
the free trade agreement with China, the first with the West.
And John Key had the good fortune of coming into
(03:35):
power in two thousand and eight during the global financial crisis,
but right at the time that we were getting the
benefits of the Chinese free trade agreement, so you know,
he can be thankful for that. And I thought it
was good that they were both there. But look, I
think New Zealand is seen as being embraced more by America.
(03:56):
And interestingly, Winston Peters is an extraordinarily good foreigeign minister.
But when he was Foreign Minister Helen Clark, the signing
of that agreement, he raised eyebrows in Beijing. I was
there by not being there at the signing ceremony, so
you know they will look at that as well and
see that you know, our foreign minister is Winston Peters.
(04:16):
I'm not saying they wouldn't issue an invitation because of that.
But you know, it is to me quite interesting why
we weren't invited in that military parade. What a magnificent
spectacle that was. I mean it was absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Won't be saying that when it's aimed at Taiwan. Well,
you know it's magnificent.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
You know, barriers was set up for the locals. You
couldn't watch it. And I've bent to Tenem and Square
on a number of occasions, and they were kept a
block back, and all they could say it was on
livestream television. And they released eighty thousand pigeons, eighty thousand balloons.
You can imagine what Beijing must have been like. It
(04:57):
must have been an absolute spectacle.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Berry would they do us? It's between doves and pigeons, I.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Know, but no, I've been told they were pigeons.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
They were duves, like peace doves. We're going to check
this fact because this is not flying rats. Well misinformed
if they were dubs, very really quickly tell me what's
happened here with Seymour versus Swarbrick.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Well, it'll be really quick because I've missed Chloe Swarbrick
this week. And then I got my fizz this morning
when she was debating David Seymour on the foreign buyers
once again being allowed to buy top end houses in
this country. Seymour clearly got under her wick when he
was lauding the policy of a listen.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Two days ago, I was down just here in the
Auckland CBD. I was with a couple of businesses that
have a number of homelessness. This is the investment that
we're talking about, right. Some of these people they say, look,
actually I want to come to New Zealand a bit
more long term. I think I might invest in a
few more businesses, I might do some philanthropy and conservation.
(06:00):
And then you say, okay, well you know, maybe maybe
you'd like to buy a home.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Now.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
If I was on the opposition right now, this is
one where I'd actually say no, no, that one's good.
I'm going to welcome that. But as we've just heard,
we've just got this reflex of SoundBite politics that ain't
taking anyone anywhere.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
This is about the kind of economy that we get
to choose to create the conditions of as politicians. That
is not sustainable, it is not fair, and it is
not the old edo in New Zealand that I believe
most New Zealanders believe in.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So there, mister so Barry, thank you very much, very so,
for senior political correspondence. For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive,
listen live to news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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