Labour was forced to reveal its tax policy early, after details were leaked to media over the long weekend.
The party's proposed a 28 percent capital gains tax on all residential and commercial property - but not the family home.
It's promising to use the revenue to fund three free GP visits for all Kiwis.
Newstalk ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper says Hipkins has voiced frustration with this leak and confirmed whoever leaked the policy will get booted from the party.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Barry Sooba. I seen your political correspondence with us. Hallo, Barry.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good afternoon, Heather.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Well that was a lineup of very glum people today
at that announcement.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Well they were caught on the hot, weren't they. I mean,
it's quite extraordinary when you consider that, you know, the
last policy announcement last week that was a cock up
as well. Yep, this one leaked to the media and
we're told that it was a near unanimous vote and caukers,
so that means some people are opposed to it. And
(00:28):
you remember the late Sir Michael Cullen. He was the
head of the Taxation Working Group set up under Jindar
Dun and whilst they recommended a capital gains tax, Michael
Cullen himself said that any party that goes into an
election promising an increase in taxes really are doing some
very great risks to themselves and winning the Treasury benches.
(00:52):
And you remember, because I was in the audience when
Jacindaurn stood up the front and said we're not going
to go with the capitol aims tax. And at that
point everybody had thought they were going to go with one,
but they didn't. And I think she listened to the
words of Michael Cullen. Nevertheless, so Chris Hipkins, he hasn't
been listening to those words, and so he's now very
(01:15):
frustrated in the way these policy releases have gone. I
know you're going to be talking to him. They're not
going to pay for the doctor's visits initially, you know,
the first year it brings in one hundred million dollars. Well,
the doctor's visits, as you pointed out earlier on, are
much more expensive than that. A very proud Minister of Health,
Asia Verel, she said, standing alongside Chris Hipkins today. There
(01:39):
will be a new medi card and it'll guarantee every
New Zealander access to care, whether they were rich or poor,
or town or country. So everyone gets it well. A
warning was issued though this morning by Chris Hipkins to
the person or persons who lack the policy to the
media over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Some of the details came to be in the public
domain this morning. I'm very proud to be talking about
it now and to be making this announcement now. If
it ranspires that it was deliberately released by somebody and
that we find out who that person is, they won't
be a member of the Labor paper. I'm not going
to speculate on how any of the details may have
come into the public domain. As I said, there are
a lot of people who have been involved in the
(02:19):
conversations around our text policy. It's been a very very
robust internal process where everybody has had the opportunity to
express their various views.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So it's incredible when you think because taxation, when it
comes to a political party is very much a secretive
policy area, and this sounds as though it's been sent
out to all and sundry. Well, obviously there would be
somebody probably disgruntled with it and thought we'll get this
out in the public.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Do we know when they planned to announce it?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, he says, if you listen to Hipkins and I
know you're going to be talking to me. He said
that they would have been announcing it this week or thereabouts,
but all while they're about Yes, I think they would
have been planning much longer term because tax policy is
so important to any political party.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, now what is going on with the Maori Party?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well, like we said last week, this just goes from
bad to worse. Actually, I mean Rawi White to Tea
is probably back from his swan song up in China
and things. They had a hui last Thursday, unbeknown to
most of us, and they passed a number of resolutions.
One was to suspend Maromino Kapakinghi from the party. Well,
(03:35):
she's saying that essentially it's got no mone of the suspension,
the so called suspension she's calling it. And the tek
Mparcouter Ferrus, well he says that essentially he wouldn't go
along with it. So you've got and then you've.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Got you've got Marmino who's a post of the Leadershi,
You've got Tarkuther Ferris who's oposed to the leadership.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Now you've got Alreadiny Kuiper as well.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Talking about Cooieha and how she would gravitate to cup
a key.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
She believes and she believes.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
In her and believes you know that she is a
wonderful person within the party and really looks up to her.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Sorry, it's potentially breaking in two.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Oh totally yeah. I mean you you've got three now
on three, So what the hell are they going to do?
I mean, John Tammyho is at the head of all this,
what's he going to do with the party. I mean
they go to go back now and decide how they're
going to affect the suspension from the party. Well, if
they suspend her, like other remps in the past, she'll
(04:39):
become an independent MP because she's an electorate MP, and
she'll serve through to the next election and.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
No doubt walk a jumper.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Sorry they could, yeah, they could and get her out
of parliament, but.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Then what are they going to do up Tarkus as well?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, that's a jumper already, Kiper before she's even got
nose dirty and part Hey, listen.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
What happened to the van or the truck? I mean
it's a truck. It's not a van.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It's a dilapidated old rust heap and I'm surprised that
it was even listed in the first place. Was listed
for five five hundred dollars and it's festooned with Maori Party,
very professional sign writing on the whole truck. It's a
big truck. It was being sold though, we were told
(05:25):
at Turner's on behalf of a finance company because it
had been repossessed. Honestly, they say the way it's been operated, stored,
or maintained or repaired in a proper and diligent manner,
which that hasn't been done so in that manner, and
that may affect its condition. Turner's recommended an independent assessment
(05:49):
assessment of it. It's in a rough condition. We were
told that the cab was dirty and had a musty odor,
the clutch fields wall stop it and it was rusted
in a few places. So so what John drawn from sale?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
How did they buy it back?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
No?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I don't know what. And I ran Turner's car watch
and I spoke to the person who is listed in
the air and he said, oh no, I can't talk
to you about it, left to go further up the company.
No such lung hold.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
We know somebody at Turner's will drop Todd who runs
the show a line in a minute.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yes, but are you telling me so?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
They weren't John timing heead in is lot, weren't even
looking after the vehicle clearly.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I mean I saw photos. If they were trying to
sell a vehicle, and they showed photos of inside, it
looked absolutely filthy.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Just needed a dust.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Thanks very much, appreciate it, very Soper, Senior political correspondent.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
For more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
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Barry Sooba. I seen your political correspondence with us. Hallo, Barry.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Good afternoon, Heather.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Well that was a lineup of very glum people today
at that announcement.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Well they were caught on the hot, weren't they. I mean,
it's quite extraordinary when you consider that, you know, the
last policy announcement last week that was a cock up
as well. Yep, this one leaked to the media and
we're told that it was a near unanimous vote and caukers,
so that means some people are opposed to it. And
(00:28):
you remember the late Sir Michael Cullen. He was the
head of the Taxation Working Group set up under Jindar
Dun and whilst they recommended a capital gains tax, Michael
Cullen himself said that any party that goes into an
election promising an increase in taxes really are doing some
very great risks to themselves and winning the Treasury benches.
(00:52):
And you remember, because I was in the audience when
Jacindaurn stood up the front and said we're not going
to go with the capitol aims tax. And at that
point everybody had thought they were going to go with one,
but they didn't. And I think she listened to the
words of Michael Cullen. Nevertheless, so Chris Hipkins, he hasn't
been listening to those words, and so he's now very
(01:15):
frustrated in the way these policy releases have gone. I
know you're going to be talking to him. They're not
going to pay for the doctor's visits initially, you know,
the first year it brings in one hundred million dollars. Well,
the doctor's visits, as you pointed out earlier on, are
much more expensive than that. A very proud Minister of Health,
Asia Verel, she said, standing alongside Chris Hipkins today. There
(01:39):
will be a new medi card and it'll guarantee every
New Zealander access to care, whether they were rich or poor,
or town or country. So everyone gets it well. A
warning was issued though this morning by Chris Hipkins to
the person or persons who lack the policy to the
media over the weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Some of the details came to be in the public
domain this morning. I'm very proud to be talking about
it now and to be making this announcement now. If
it ranspires that it was deliberately released by somebody and
that we find out who that person is, they won't
be a member of the Labor paper. I'm not going
to speculate on how any of the details may have
come into the public domain. As I said, there are
a lot of people who have been involved in the
(02:19):
conversations around our text policy. It's been a very very
robust internal process where everybody has had the opportunity to
express their various views.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So it's incredible when you think because taxation, when it
comes to a political party is very much a secretive
policy area, and this sounds as though it's been sent
out to all and sundry. Well, obviously there would be
somebody probably disgruntled with it and thought we'll get this
out in the public.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Do we know when they planned to announce it?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, he says, if you listen to Hipkins and I
know you're going to be talking to me. He said
that they would have been announcing it this week or thereabouts,
but all while they're about Yes, I think they would
have been planning much longer term because tax policy is
so important to any political party.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, now what is going on with the Maori Party?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well, like we said last week, this just goes from
bad to worse. Actually, I mean Rawi White to Tea
is probably back from his swan song up in China
and things. They had a hui last Thursday, unbeknown to
most of us, and they passed a number of resolutions.
One was to suspend Maromino Kapakinghi from the party. Well,
(03:35):
she's saying that essentially it's got no mone of the suspension,
the so called suspension she's calling it. And the tek
Mparcouter Ferrus, well he says that essentially he wouldn't go
along with it. So you've got and then you've.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Got you've got Marmino who's a post of the Leadershi,
You've got Tarkuther Ferris who's oposed to the leadership.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Now you've got Alreadiny Kuiper as well.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Talking about Cooieha and how she would gravitate to cup
a key.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
She believes and she believes.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
In her and believes you know that she is a
wonderful person within the party and really looks up to her.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Sorry, it's potentially breaking in two.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Oh totally yeah. I mean you you've got three now
on three, So what the hell are they going to do?
I mean, John Tammyho is at the head of all this,
what's he going to do with the party. I mean
they go to go back now and decide how they're
going to affect the suspension from the party. Well, if
they suspend her, like other remps in the past, she'll
(04:39):
become an independent MP because she's an electorate MP, and
she'll serve through to the next election and.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
No doubt walk a jumper.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Sorry they could, yeah, they could and get her out
of parliament, but.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Then what are they going to do up Tarkus as well?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, that's a jumper already, Kiper before she's even got
nose dirty and part Hey, listen.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
What happened to the van or the truck? I mean
it's a truck. It's not a van.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It's a dilapidated old rust heap and I'm surprised that
it was even listed in the first place. Was listed
for five five hundred dollars and it's festooned with Maori Party,
very professional sign writing on the whole truck. It's a
big truck. It was being sold though, we were told
(05:25):
at Turner's on behalf of a finance company because it
had been repossessed. Honestly, they say the way it's been operated, stored,
or maintained or repaired in a proper and diligent manner,
which that hasn't been done so in that manner, and
that may affect its condition. Turner's recommended an independent assessment
(05:49):
assessment of it. It's in a rough condition. We were
told that the cab was dirty and had a musty odor,
the clutch fields wall stop it and it was rusted
in a few places. So so what John drawn from sale?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
How did they buy it back?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
No?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I don't know what. And I ran Turner's car watch
and I spoke to the person who is listed in
the air and he said, oh no, I can't talk
to you about it, left to go further up the company.
No such lung hold.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
We know somebody at Turner's will drop Todd who runs
the show a line in a minute.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yes, but are you telling me so?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
They weren't John timing heead in is lot, weren't even
looking after the vehicle clearly.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I mean I saw photos. If they were trying to
sell a vehicle, and they showed photos of inside, it
looked absolutely filthy.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Just needed a dust.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Thanks very much, appreciate it, very Soper, Senior political correspondent.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
For more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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