June 11, 2024 • 6 mins
Opposition leader Chris Hipkins has overtaken the Prime Minister on net favourability, as support dropped for the coalition.
A Taxpayers' Union-Curia poll had Chris Luxon tumbling 13 points to negative five percent, with Hipkins up 4 points to three percent.
Both ACT and New Zealand First leaders have also seen a drop, with David Seymour down 11 points and Winston Peters down 14 points.
ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper says it'll be a while before voters see what the Government has achieved.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Barry so for senior political correspondence with US. Now, hey Barry,
good afternoon. Do you make the poll?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well, polls are all about timing, aren't they. And you
know this government has come in, it has introduced so
much in the first six months since it's been there,
but nothing really tangibly has happened yet in terms of
tax cuts, for example, they don't come in until the
(00:25):
end of July, seven weeks. Yes, it'll be interesting to
see what happens when they come in. And I heard
Mike Hoskin talking this morning about ram raids and I
thought i'd go and have a look at them. And
the figures for those who have just come out, they
are down, as he said, more than eighty percent for
the month of April twelve ram raids in April there
(00:49):
shouldn't be any, of course, as compared though to sixty
four in April last year. The police starter shows that
the downward end has continued since the peak in August
twenty twenty two when there were eighty six ram rads.
So you know, it takes time for all this to
(01:11):
feed through to business and to the community because the
community is affected by this dreadful behavior. So I think
it's just early days. Chris Lackson won't be happy. He
doesn't seem to have sort of captured the public imagination.
But I think, you know personally, I mean, I've watched
(01:31):
what thirteen or fourteen Prime and this has come through
in my time, and you know, he's I think when
you see him out with the public, he's very engaging,
more engaging than many primes.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
But its problem as he flip flops on subjects, right,
But that's that's just a changing his position in that it's.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Being a newbie.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's possibly true.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Possible that the reason that they're doing as poorly as
they are in the polls comparative for you know, where
we are in the bortcycle is maybe a combination of
the fact that they are actually at pace doing things
and also the electorate is grumpy because the cost of
living crisis sucks and you blame the government, whoever the
government is.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
That's right, and they are at such pace doing things
that the public haven't really caught up with that yet.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So it's it's it's kind of like it's making a
lot of people upset, right, and we don't like upsets.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, people are probably less upset than they were this
time last year. But they are still upset. They had
hoped that a change your government would somehow present sort
of a miraculous.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I was meaning that you're making people. This government is
making people upset, like the people who are protesting against
the oil and gas returning, people who are upset about
Maori related changes.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
That kind it makes people feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yes, all right, give it time, That's what I'd say.
And if I was in government, I don't think I'd
be too worried.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
What has Michael Wood said?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Oh well, this is why I was looking about Michael Wood.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
This is the period of reprieve where he's not in
Parliament because he's probably going to be back and he
was there before, and this is the down period where
you're not supposed to bring him up.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, like you rather excitedly said yesterday on here that
the ritualist, I mean it should be celebrated, and I
totally agree that for the first time in more than
twenty years, Graham heart at worth a piddling twelve billion dollars,
was knocked off by the Mowbray family with around twenty billion. Now,
(03:27):
your old mate, the former best transport minister in the
history of the world. Michael Wood, who's now gone to
the trade unions. Of course, he reckons the country's out
of bollance, and most working in the menial jobs should
be recognized as well.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Our society can't function without their work. So it's kind
of about recognizing that everyone contributes. Yes, these people on
the rich list, but a lot of other New Zealanders
as well, and a lot of people have been doing
it tough recently. But you know, there was an interesting
little point in here as well. Yes, some of those
people do voluntarily contribute back a lot. But for people
who have very wealthy in New Zealand, they actually pay
less than a percentage of the income and tax than
(04:05):
the person who's serving you at the petrol station or
the supermarket or you and I. The income that they earn,
which is vast in this case, and as we just heard,
and the wealth increased by twenty three billion dollars over
the last year, they're paying a lower percentage rate generally
than the average working person in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well you imagine that lower percentage rate on the money
that's made.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I'm just grateful for what massive.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, absolutely, Hey, I've got a lot of texts today
coming in like this, Heather, it's about time you racked
up the Green Party. Read Darlene's investigation from Steve Wisdom
still held.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I looked at that yesterday. I was having a look
at that. We don't know where it is. It's still
being investigated daily.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, okay, really quickly, what I've gone up in the
opinion poll?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, I mean, God only knows why.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
To be fair, would it not be fair to say this?
This is because the Green Party's approach to their badly
behaved MPs is consistent with their approach to anybody who
behaves badly. I mean, this is a party where key
members believe we need to get rid of prisons, right,
So they're not really tough on anyone, so they can
hardly be tough on their own MPs, can they?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Well they should be, I think, well anyway.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
But that's that's what you think.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
But the support does their supporters love this kind of stuff,
chances and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But they building on that support. So who's giving them additionals?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
What I'm saying to you that internally consistent? Right, Berry
will leave give quick well what we talk about, trum quickly?
What did he say quickly, Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Trump, Look, I'll tell you what. He started off an
email this morning, and they've been talking to the United
States how he's sending out a lot of emails at
the moment looking for contributions. I got this email. The
first three words and it was I love you. I've
kid you not. Yes, it's true, he said, So I
saved my mega hat just for you. He said, my
(05:51):
coveted hat is a bold declaration that you stand with Trump.
So if you love me like I love you, I
need you to order right now. I went in and
had a look at what would take it to order money. Yes,
well I didn't say.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I didn't over price.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I didn't open the email that widely because I thought
I might have been trapped into has.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Their degrees of wideness with your email your.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Mega hats around here? It was maker do and go away.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Thanks very very so for senior political correspondence.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Barry so for senior political correspondence with US. Now, hey Barry,
good afternoon. Do you make the poll?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well, polls are all about timing, aren't they. And you
know this government has come in, it has introduced so
much in the first six months since it's been there,
but nothing really tangibly has happened yet in terms of
tax cuts, for example, they don't come in until the
(00:25):
end of July, seven weeks. Yes, it'll be interesting to
see what happens when they come in. And I heard
Mike Hoskin talking this morning about ram raids and I
thought i'd go and have a look at them. And
the figures for those who have just come out, they
are down, as he said, more than eighty percent for
the month of April twelve ram raids in April there
(00:49):
shouldn't be any, of course, as compared though to sixty
four in April last year. The police starter shows that
the downward end has continued since the peak in August
twenty twenty two when there were eighty six ram rads.
So you know, it takes time for all this to
(01:11):
feed through to business and to the community because the
community is affected by this dreadful behavior. So I think
it's just early days. Chris Lackson won't be happy. He
doesn't seem to have sort of captured the public imagination.
But I think, you know personally, I mean, I've watched
(01:31):
what thirteen or fourteen Prime and this has come through
in my time, and you know, he's I think when
you see him out with the public, he's very engaging,
more engaging than many primes.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
But its problem as he flip flops on subjects, right,
But that's that's just a changing his position in that it's.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Being a newbie.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's possibly true.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Possible that the reason that they're doing as poorly as
they are in the polls comparative for you know, where
we are in the bortcycle is maybe a combination of
the fact that they are actually at pace doing things
and also the electorate is grumpy because the cost of
living crisis sucks and you blame the government, whoever the
government is.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
That's right, and they are at such pace doing things
that the public haven't really caught up with that yet.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So it's it's it's kind of like it's making a
lot of people upset, right, and we don't like upsets.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, people are probably less upset than they were this
time last year. But they are still upset. They had
hoped that a change your government would somehow present sort
of a miraculous.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I was meaning that you're making people. This government is
making people upset, like the people who are protesting against
the oil and gas returning, people who are upset about
Maori related changes.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
That kind it makes people feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yes, all right, give it time, That's what I'd say.
And if I was in government, I don't think I'd
be too worried.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
What has Michael Wood said?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Oh well, this is why I was looking about Michael Wood.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
This is the period of reprieve where he's not in
Parliament because he's probably going to be back and he
was there before, and this is the down period where
you're not supposed to bring him up.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, like you rather excitedly said yesterday on here that
the ritualist, I mean it should be celebrated, and I
totally agree that for the first time in more than
twenty years, Graham heart at worth a piddling twelve billion dollars,
was knocked off by the Mowbray family with around twenty billion. Now,
(03:27):
your old mate, the former best transport minister in the
history of the world. Michael Wood, who's now gone to
the trade unions. Of course, he reckons the country's out
of bollance, and most working in the menial jobs should
be recognized as well.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Our society can't function without their work. So it's kind
of about recognizing that everyone contributes. Yes, these people on
the rich list, but a lot of other New Zealanders
as well, and a lot of people have been doing
it tough recently. But you know, there was an interesting
little point in here as well. Yes, some of those
people do voluntarily contribute back a lot. But for people
who have very wealthy in New Zealand, they actually pay
less than a percentage of the income and tax than
(04:05):
the person who's serving you at the petrol station or
the supermarket or you and I. The income that they earn,
which is vast in this case, and as we just heard,
and the wealth increased by twenty three billion dollars over
the last year, they're paying a lower percentage rate generally
than the average working person in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well you imagine that lower percentage rate on the money
that's made.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I'm just grateful for what massive.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, absolutely, Hey, I've got a lot of texts today
coming in like this, Heather, it's about time you racked
up the Green Party. Read Darlene's investigation from Steve Wisdom
still held.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I looked at that yesterday. I was having a look
at that. We don't know where it is. It's still
being investigated daily.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, okay, really quickly, what I've gone up in the
opinion poll?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, I mean, God only knows why.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
To be fair, would it not be fair to say this?
This is because the Green Party's approach to their badly
behaved MPs is consistent with their approach to anybody who
behaves badly. I mean, this is a party where key
members believe we need to get rid of prisons, right,
So they're not really tough on anyone, so they can
hardly be tough on their own MPs, can they?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Well they should be, I think, well anyway.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
But that's that's what you think.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
But the support does their supporters love this kind of stuff,
chances and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But they building on that support. So who's giving them additionals?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
What I'm saying to you that internally consistent? Right, Berry
will leave give quick well what we talk about, trum quickly?
What did he say quickly, Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Trump, Look, I'll tell you what. He started off an
email this morning, and they've been talking to the United
States how he's sending out a lot of emails at
the moment looking for contributions. I got this email. The
first three words and it was I love you. I've
kid you not. Yes, it's true, he said, So I
saved my mega hat just for you. He said, my
(05:51):
coveted hat is a bold declaration that you stand with Trump.
So if you love me like I love you, I
need you to order right now. I went in and
had a look at what would take it to order money. Yes,
well I didn't say.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I didn't over price.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I didn't open the email that widely because I thought
I might have been trapped into has.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Their degrees of wideness with your email your.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Mega hats around here? It was maker do and go away.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Thanks very very so for senior political correspondence.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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