Barry Soper: ZB senior political correspondent on Debbie Ngarewa-Packer's controversial comments

Debbie Ngarewa-Packer has raised a few eyebrows following her controversial comments in the House.

She's accused the ACT Party of grooming the Prime Minister and the Government into exercising 'ethnocide' on Māori culture.

ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper has labelled these accusations as hate speech.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bary so Per, senior political correspondence with US Now. Barry, Hello,
good afternoon. Ay, what is debbing out of We're pack
a set in the house?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Ah Well, I find it extraordinary actually, And when I
sat and listened to it, I've got to say my
blood boiled. I thought with John Key at the weekend
talking about tempering it down the divisions and society, She's
just turned the heat right up. It's the sort of
speech that in my view, insights and even the speaker

(00:27):
Jerry Browne, at the end of it, he was asked
by ACT to review it and he said he will be.
Here's part of Parker's contribution this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
How has ACT groomed the Prime Minister and indeed national
into deliberately exercising ethna side. It is the deliberate systemic
destruction of our culture and us as Tana tafenua, using
legislative power, political force and influence two make us into one.
They're one and our nun This government has been led

(00:57):
by a dark chriad and yet me explain what that means.
Three personality traits, the machavilion, the psychopath, and the narcissist.
And I'll get you to guess which ones which the manipulative,
extremely entitled and lack empathy. But together those traits are
dangerous for our people because together they create some of
the cruelest social chaos ever known to Indigenous people.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Unbelievable. I mean, you know, if you take those words
and wasn't that was just part of the speech. If
you listen to the whole speech, I mean, it is
simply outrageous that it's allowed to happen in a part.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Why is Brownie having to review it? Was he not
in the house at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
He was there, but he sat there and listened, and
certainly Brook van Valden. She stood up at the end
of it and she said she didn't want to interrupt
because let packers sound off. And then she pleaded with
the speaker to just review what had been said and.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
All what grounds would he review, Well.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
He would have to have a look at the language
I would suspect and you know what what category does
it fall into? I mean, in my view, this is
hate speech and it's nothing short of that. It's it's
inciting moldy people to she talked about ethno side.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I mean, at the very least, she is not doing
anything to assist amicable race relations. Right, She's whipping up
That's what the That's what the party is known for,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well maybe it is, but I think you know, to
say what she said in Parliament. I honestly, in all
my time there, I've never heard the likes of a
speech like that.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yes, stuff ie, it's pretty dangerous. Samon Brown's had a
crack at the energy crisis. What is he here to say?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well, he has, he said. It certainly is a crisis
facing facing the country at the moment he was speaking
this afternoon. He summoned the four main supply gen Taylors
to a meeting today. He told Parliament that the energy
sector is in crisis, and he cheted the blame back
to the last government's decision to immediate decision was on

(03:09):
taking the Treasury benures to stop exploration for gas and oil.
He says that's led to an explosion in electricity prices.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
New Zealanders are now paying the highest electricity prices in
the western world. Just this morning, the spot price in
Northland reached over one seven hundred dollars per megawatt hour.
Mister Speaker. After stifling investment in the gas sector after
increasing our sovereign risk as a country. They are threatening

(03:39):
the viability of New Zealand businesses, many of whom export
products to the world, and the jobs they underpinned. We've
seen that in recent days with announcement of several hundred
job losses at Winstone Pulp and at OG's Penrose facility.
High electricity prices have been cited on both occasions.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
It's a real issue, isn't it. It's a real problem
that you consume, that's the household. I haven't felt the
impact of it yet, but by goodness, it's coming.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah. Now, So what what did he say to the
gent tailors?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, he didn't say in parliament what he said to them.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
But what can the gent taylors do about it? I
mean they this is not a market to pass.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
They have to pass on prices in the end.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
We are they supposed to make a loss now.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Are they?

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Well?

Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's a bit like banks, isn't it. No doubt he's
saying to the gent taylors, you're doing pretty well out
of society at the moment in New Zealand. Can you
be a little softer than otherwise you might? Jeez?

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I mean they have to be careful. I mean, clearly
labor has made this issue a lot worse. But the
Nats have to be really careful that they don't make
another another Well.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
They can't dictake to business just as they comparison to
dictate to the banks in this country.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Are they all right?

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Listen Barry, Thank you appreciate. It is Barry Soper, Senior
Political corresponding

Speaker 3 (04:49):
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