There's renewed calls to evaluate Destiny Church's charitable status and tax treatment after their actions last weekend.
Followers of Destiny Church - the religious movement spearheaded by Hannah and Brian Tamaki - stormed an Auckland library on Saturday to protest a drag king reading to children.
Followers of the church then disrupted Auckland's rainbow parade - actions Auckland's mayor calls thuggery.
Prime Minister Chris Luxon says they intimidated public officials - and the Government will be investigating their status, and tax treatment in due course.
ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper says Destiny Church acted disgracefully, and a review needs to take place.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
News talks. They'd be Barry Soaper, senior political correspondent with us.
Hey Barring, good afternoon, right, good to see you, lux
and giving us an insight into what could happen with
the public services post There were a.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Couple of interesting things. It was a bit of a
rats and nice press conference today. They started off with
this great glowing tourism initiative that they're doing. I mean,
they did it yesterday basically, but they're building on it again.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I thought it was a bit eleven million dollars on
a new car park. I thought, we're clutching its straws
through a postcare, aren't we.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yes, exactly, That's what I thought. But it was interesting
some of the things that came up. I think you'll
see in the not too distant future it will be
the biggest fundamental change in the public service and how
chief executives are appointed now. Chris Luckson hasn't ruled out
and you'll hear them cabinet having to say over who
(00:48):
gets the top jobs.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Ever listened with respect to the public service, what we
expect is efficiency, delivery, a fixation and a focus. As
you heard in due to the Collins remarks to this
to the public sector CEO is about thinking about the
news on public as customers and how they are best served.
I want to be able to identify the next brand
of two hundred and fifty really smart, emerging young leaders
that we already have in our public service and make
sure that we're developing them in the right way. We
(01:11):
be a good starting point. Those are the sorts of
things that I'm in conversation with the new Public Service
Commissioner about soon.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I reckon there's going to be a fundamental change. It's
been done on Australia. John Howard did it a number
of years.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Ago, training camps, well.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Boots, I mean, yeah, yeah, but no. Interestingly, if you
look at the Police Commissioner, for examples, the recommendation of
who gets the job as the Police Minister, it goes
to the Prime Minister and then the appointment's made and
then it goes to the Governor General. But in other
(01:48):
areas and other departmental areas, they're not appointed in that way.
The Public Service Commissioner appoints the top bureaucrats. I think
it's good if we look at focus the public service
a bit more on what we expect out of them.
And making them a bit more well, not reliable, accountable,
(02:12):
that's the word I was walking for, but more accountable
I think would be a good way.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well, I think you wouldn't get much protest.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I don't think you would either.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And Destiny Church, did you have anything to say about that?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well no, he did. Yeah, interestingly Destiny Church. Of course
it's going to tax free status because it's a charity.
So old Brian Tummocky was out there over the weekend
the gay Pride. I just think it's disgraceful. I mean,
if the gay people are presenting any problems to them,
you'd say, you know, they've got nothing to bitch about.
(02:43):
But nevertheless they seem to be able to do it,
and the tax free statues could be looked at as
a result of their performance at the gay Pride parade
over the weekend. Here's lux And.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Again I thought the Destiny Church protest has crossed the line.
That's not the kere we weigh. When you're intimidating public
officials and public facilities, that's not the way that we
expect things to be in this country. We expect people
to have free speech, we expect them to protest peacefully,
but also respectfully and we certainly value the diversity that
exists here in New Zealand. I know some of those
matters are before the police and they're looking into some
(03:16):
of that, but on leave that for them. We've said
that we would look out and due course around the
registerrant charities and their charitable status and therefore the attacks
treatment as a consequence and will form part of that
port a piece of work.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I'm pleased he said that at the end, because I
wouldn't want them to go in and take away the
charitable status on the basis of the protest. No, no,
you'd want it to be done as part of that
wider review that they're doing. We've got to do otherwise.
I mean you can imagine the pushback.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Oh yes, a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Seymour simply says it was an overlap, not an overstep.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's open season. Is that I'm David Seymour at the moment.
It was last September that he said that these teacher
only days are a bit of a rat they're taking
them off. I don't think they are. I mean, if
you've got the point that Stanford made was that if
you've got a new curriculum, you've got to allow the
teachers a few teacher only days. Seymour would argue that, look,
(04:09):
if the kids are looking at teachers having days off,
then you know and sorry, shutting down the school and
not allowed, not allowed to come to school. It doesn't
do much for attendance. But look it's only three or
four times a year. But it was an overlap. He
said it as Associate Minister. In September last year, Erica
Stamford said that he was overstepping the mark. There's a
(04:30):
bit of bitching going on between obviously ACT and the
National Party. The interesting to see when it comes May
and there's an elevation.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well exactly see. I was talking into a friend at
the gym this morning about exactly this. I think he's
getting it all out of his system now so that
he can calm the farm when he steps into that
prestigious role of Deputy Prime Minister.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well it's also part of their brand, isn't it. Branding.
I mean, you know they've got to be Locus stand
alone from the National Parker and that's certainly what they.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Do of course, and for Lux and it's like whack
a mole if he sorts Seymour out up will Rise Winston,
with eighteen months to go into an election campaign and
unshackled by the Deputy prize.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I think Winston was quite wise to take the second trunch, genius,
no brilliant.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Hey, why isn't Brook van Valden meeting with the CTU.
I thought this was a bad call from here.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yep, me too, I think. Look, she's the Minister responsible
the CTU. They represent three hundred and sixty thousand people
in this country. And I remember the day that the
CTU would always be in the Minister's office. I remember
going back to old Jim Knox spitting in microphones after
an all night meeting. I remember once having to have
a tooth pick to pick out the breakfast that he
(05:47):
had just had out of my microphone. But they went
on all night, these things, and now, of course I don't.
I think maybe because the unions obviously don't have as
much power these days as they used to have. But
that's not to say that the minister who's enacting some
significant changes that do affect workers, the workers' representatives should
(06:08):
be able to talk to her, she said one meeting
with them. Since she's been the Minister responsible.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Funny you talk about that. There was a Wellington mayor
who we used to joke that you'd had you'd have
to take a rain jacket to go an interview because
she would she would spit everywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I do distinctly remember the picking, getting my tooth pick
back in the office and taking Jim's breakfast out on
the microphone. God bless his soul.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Very safe A senior politile correspondent. Here on News Talk zbbs.
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live to
news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
News talks. They'd be Barry Soaper, senior political correspondent with us.
Hey Barring, good afternoon, right, good to see you, lux
and giving us an insight into what could happen with
the public services post There were a.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Couple of interesting things. It was a bit of a
rats and nice press conference today. They started off with
this great glowing tourism initiative that they're doing. I mean,
they did it yesterday basically, but they're building on it again.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I thought it was a bit eleven million dollars on
a new car park. I thought, we're clutching its straws
through a postcare, aren't we.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yes, exactly, That's what I thought. But it was interesting
some of the things that came up. I think you'll
see in the not too distant future it will be
the biggest fundamental change in the public service and how
chief executives are appointed now. Chris Luckson hasn't ruled out
and you'll hear them cabinet having to say over who
(00:48):
gets the top jobs.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Ever listened with respect to the public service, what we
expect is efficiency, delivery, a fixation and a focus. As
you heard in due to the Collins remarks to this
to the public sector CEO is about thinking about the
news on public as customers and how they are best served.
I want to be able to identify the next brand
of two hundred and fifty really smart, emerging young leaders
that we already have in our public service and make
sure that we're developing them in the right way. We
(01:11):
be a good starting point. Those are the sorts of
things that I'm in conversation with the new Public Service
Commissioner about soon.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I reckon there's going to be a fundamental change. It's
been done on Australia. John Howard did it a number
of years.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Ago, training camps, well.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Boots, I mean, yeah, yeah, but no. Interestingly, if you
look at the Police Commissioner, for examples, the recommendation of
who gets the job as the Police Minister, it goes
to the Prime Minister and then the appointment's made and
then it goes to the Governor General. But in other
(01:48):
areas and other departmental areas, they're not appointed in that way.
The Public Service Commissioner appoints the top bureaucrats. I think
it's good if we look at focus the public service
a bit more on what we expect out of them.
And making them a bit more well, not reliable, accountable,
(02:12):
that's the word I was walking for, but more accountable
I think would be a good way.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well, I think you wouldn't get much protest.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I don't think you would either.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And Destiny Church, did you have anything to say about that?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well no, he did. Yeah, interestingly Destiny Church. Of course
it's going to tax free status because it's a charity.
So old Brian Tummocky was out there over the weekend
the gay Pride. I just think it's disgraceful. I mean,
if the gay people are presenting any problems to them,
you'd say, you know, they've got nothing to bitch about.
(02:43):
But nevertheless they seem to be able to do it,
and the tax free statues could be looked at as
a result of their performance at the gay Pride parade
over the weekend. Here's lux And.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Again I thought the Destiny Church protest has crossed the line.
That's not the kere we weigh. When you're intimidating public
officials and public facilities, that's not the way that we
expect things to be in this country. We expect people
to have free speech, we expect them to protest peacefully,
but also respectfully and we certainly value the diversity that
exists here in New Zealand. I know some of those
matters are before the police and they're looking into some
(03:16):
of that, but on leave that for them. We've said
that we would look out and due course around the
registerrant charities and their charitable status and therefore the attacks
treatment as a consequence and will form part of that
port a piece of work.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I'm pleased he said that at the end, because I
wouldn't want them to go in and take away the
charitable status on the basis of the protest. No, no,
you'd want it to be done as part of that
wider review that they're doing. We've got to do otherwise.
I mean you can imagine the pushback.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Oh yes, a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Seymour simply says it was an overlap, not an overstep.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's open season. Is that I'm David Seymour at the moment.
It was last September that he said that these teacher
only days are a bit of a rat they're taking
them off. I don't think they are. I mean, if
you've got the point that Stanford made was that if
you've got a new curriculum, you've got to allow the
teachers a few teacher only days. Seymour would argue that, look,
(04:09):
if the kids are looking at teachers having days off,
then you know and sorry, shutting down the school and
not allowed, not allowed to come to school. It doesn't
do much for attendance. But look it's only three or
four times a year. But it was an overlap. He
said it as Associate Minister. In September last year, Erica
Stamford said that he was overstepping the mark. There's a
(04:30):
bit of bitching going on between obviously ACT and the
National Party. The interesting to see when it comes May
and there's an elevation.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well exactly see. I was talking into a friend at
the gym this morning about exactly this. I think he's
getting it all out of his system now so that
he can calm the farm when he steps into that
prestigious role of Deputy Prime Minister.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well it's also part of their brand, isn't it. Branding.
I mean, you know they've got to be Locus stand
alone from the National Parker and that's certainly what they.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Do of course, and for Lux and it's like whack
a mole if he sorts Seymour out up will Rise Winston,
with eighteen months to go into an election campaign and
unshackled by the Deputy prize.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I think Winston was quite wise to take the second trunch, genius,
no brilliant.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Hey, why isn't Brook van Valden meeting with the CTU.
I thought this was a bad call from here.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yep, me too, I think. Look, she's the Minister responsible
the CTU. They represent three hundred and sixty thousand people
in this country. And I remember the day that the
CTU would always be in the Minister's office. I remember
going back to old Jim Knox spitting in microphones after
an all night meeting. I remember once having to have
a tooth pick to pick out the breakfast that he
(05:47):
had just had out of my microphone. But they went
on all night, these things, and now, of course I don't.
I think maybe because the unions obviously don't have as
much power these days as they used to have. But
that's not to say that the minister who's enacting some
significant changes that do affect workers, the workers' representatives should
(06:08):
be able to talk to her, she said one meeting
with them. Since she's been the Minister responsible.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Funny you talk about that. There was a Wellington mayor
who we used to joke that you'd had you'd have
to take a rain jacket to go an interview because
she would she would spit everywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I do distinctly remember the picking, getting my tooth pick
back in the office and taking Jim's breakfast out on
the microphone. God bless his soul.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Very safe A senior politile correspondent. Here on News Talk zbbs.
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live to
news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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