July 8, 2024 • 9 mins
Housing Minister Chris Bishop is standing up for the Government's new housing policy changes, amid concerns it'll create more problems.
Bishop plans to fill urban areas with development land and remove council powers to mandate boundaries and standards.
He acknowledges shoebox apartments aren't ideal for everybody, but more housing is better for Kiwis.
"It's about housing choice. We need smaller apartments, we need bigger apartments, we need suburban houses, we need duplexes, we need terraced houses, we need townhouses, we need big mansions - we need everything."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now Nicola Willison is also a way to David standing
in for her as the Finance Minister. Chris Bishop, he's
also the Associate Finance Minister. How's Housing Minister, Infrastructure Minister
and Sports minister. Is really quite exhausting, Chris.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Just coming through that it's the old time.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Let's talk about Darlene Taner. What should happen to her?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Wow, it's a chakra, isn't it. It's really Look, it's
really over to the Greens. They've come out today and
said they basically as to stand down as in the MP.
I see a statements just come through from her saying
at least for the moment, she's not doing that. She
disputes the findings of the report. She says they haven't
given her any natural justice. It seems to be a
bit of a switch up. As my sort of general
take on it, I don't know the actual facts of it.
(00:43):
I don't think anyone does. You know, obviously people have
seen the public reporting around allegations of migrant exploitation and
things like that. She's now been under investigation for longer
than she's actually been an MP, and you know, at
vast expense. So look, it's a bit of a mess. Really,
it's over to them to sort it out, but all
feels pretty messy. She's now an independent MP. Of course
(01:05):
in the Parliament, the Queens can't actually make her resign
as an MP, so they've essentially expelled her from the caucus.
It feels like a bit of a mess to me.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So is this a clear case for a walker jumping bill?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, presision tech, I mean, it gets quite technical. The
first thing, the Greens have historically opposed to the walker
jumping to be feather them. They've had a very principal
position against it. And then secondly, from memory, I haven't
read the Act for a while, you do have to
show that the person who's expelled from the party x
disproportionately so that she would have to start voting against
(01:42):
the Greens on things. And of course it's only just
happened today and there haven't been any votes in Parliament
or anything like that, so let's just wait and see.
But it feels to me like they won't they won't
use it because historically they's been very opposed to it,
So let's just wait and see. But it's pretty messy,
isn't it. And it feels to me, Francesca like there's
a bit of a way to run on this.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Fortunately, Minister, you made a call last week to flood
New Zealand with housing. Are you surprised by the backlash
against the box shoe box housing?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, I don't know if if I would call it
a backlash. It's been a bit of public debate around it.
I mean, I just made a simple point that yep,
shoebox apartments, they aren't for everybody. But you know, there
are a lot bigger than people living in cars and tents,
which is definitely the case in New Zealand right now,
and so you know, small apartments aren't going to be
for everybody. But it's about housing choice, and we need
(02:30):
smaller apartments, we need bigger apartments. We need suburban houses,
we need duplexes, we need terraced houses, we need townhouses,
we need big mensions, we need everything. We need all
of the above, and that's what our housing policy is about.
Creating is about housing choices and housing supply so that
people can choose the way they live their lives. And
at the moment, we've got you know, over two thousand
families living in motels, We've got people living in cars,
(02:51):
we've got people living in tents, we've got people on
the social housing wait list, and we've got people paying
very very high rents to live in not particularly nice conditions.
So solving our housing crisis is about fixing the underlying
courses of that, which is land supply inside our cities
and at the edges of our cities and different housing typologies.
And that's what we're about creating.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
But you can understand why councils are concerned about the
infrastructure around us.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Absolutely and absolutely, and we're working away on that. And
there's the sort of three pilarity to our housing policy.
One is land supply. We made the ANNOUNCEMCE around that
last week. The second is the infrastructure tools so that
growth can pace growth, making sure we can build the
infrastructure required to support that. And we're working a well
on that, and I love more to say in the
(03:35):
next you know a few months around that. And then
the third part of it is incentives for councils, because
I hear the call of councils and they say, well,
you know, you guys in the central government, you get
all the upside from new houses, we get all the downside,
we get none of the none of the benefits, so
you know, share the love a bit. So I understand
that and we're working away on that and we're committed
to that as well. So all of that stuff's underway.
(03:57):
But it's pretty exciting, you know, we're making really good
changes to fix our housing crisis.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Auckland Council voted to oppose your request to increase speed
limits again. Is this Auklan Council telling you to side
off again, Chris.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, this is Auckland Council being a bit political. I
think we campaigned on reversing the blanket speed limit reductions
of the last government and we consider ourselves to have
a mandate to do that. And it's not to say
that you don't need lower speeds around schools. You do,
and we're in favor of that. But this kind of
blanket approach of lywering, you know, vast sways the city
(04:36):
streets down to thirty coldler is an hour we don't
think is the right thing to do, and that's why
we campaigned on it and we now implementing that policy.
It's out for consultation so the councilor will have a
a submission as part of that consultation process and there'll
be a variety of different views out there in the community,
but we're going to proceed with it.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Are you happy for counsels to do what they feel
is best for their city?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well within limits? I mean, you know that we have
a clear policy and a clear rule that Simmy and
browns at Vance and his Minister of Transport and so
government has the policy and you know there is obviously
some discretion within that, but you know, the broad policy
(05:21):
of the government is that we are reversing the blanket
speed lit reductions and actually in areas where you can
increase them up to one hundred and ten and we're
considing one hundred and twenty on four lane very safe roads.
You know we'll do that as well.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
How much does it cost to change all this?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Again, we will be undoubtedly about some costs, but there's
some cost to lower the speed limits, so there'll be
a cost to reverse them. But as I say, we
campaigned on it. It was a popular policy that the
National government and Act as well for that matter, campaigned on.
So there will be some cost, but I think it
would be worth it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
There was a story over the weekend about public sector
employees getting pay right is by getting their annual leave
paid out. This doesn't seem like hugely controversial to me
because I know a lot of people who you know,
they might have quite a lot of holidays owed and
they're allowed to cash them in. Is that essentially what's
happening here.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
That's as I understand that, that's what's happening. So actually,
National back in two thousand and nine allowed employees to
cash up a week and then you'll leave, which is
essentially what they're doing. So I don't have a problem
with it. That's the way the laws need to work.
You can cash it up if you'd like. Is it
a pay rise, Well, I mean it's more money. That's
the reason why people do it. I don't think it's
(06:35):
right to call it a pay rise.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
It's just cashing up and you'll leave, which they've accumulated.
I presume, I presume you're doing this because you want
to get you want to get the I mean it
generally happens when you accumulated too much and companies get
uncomfortable with how much you're sitting on.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right. Yeah, well yeah, exactly if the flip side is
you know you're not taking the leave, so you're cashing
it up. So you know, it's about of extra extra
choice for people. Really, it's people. You know, people are
going to make the.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Decisions that best fit in with your sports minister hat On.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
How good?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So no soon, isn't she fantastic?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant quarterfinal and she knocked over Emma RADICANU fantastic.
So I'm looking forward to watching the quarter final. I mean,
I mentioned she went all the way. That would just
be amazing, you know. So I think it's awesome for
the on sport, and I've noticed a lot of interest
in it actually just in the last you know, twenty
four or forty eight hours as she's marched on. And
(07:32):
how amazing that she was a qualifier, she had to
fight through the qualified tournament. I was reading today that
she she's the first qualifier to make the fourth round
or the quarters for quite a long time. I don't
have the exact I don't know the exact stats with me,
but you know, incredible that that very really happens. Right, Normally,
what happens is a qualify goes through the qualifying tournament
(07:53):
and you know, they're exhausted, they get to the first round,
they get knocked over by one of the top seeds
in the first round. She's managed to coul all the
way through to the quarters. So it's pretty.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Amazing, which is why Emma Radakanu was was talking about
her being dangerous, because that's exactly how she got through
the US Open and ended up winning the title as
well qualified and then went on to win. So if
she does get the final, do you believe that really
there should be a representative from the government at Wimoodon.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I hadn't even thought about that. I mean, that would
be there's just wait and see. We's just wait and see.
I think I'm pretty flute, pretty flat tack and the
next next week or so. But it would be pretty amazing,
no doubt. If she does make the Grand Final, I've
no doubt that our very hard working High commissioner over there,
(08:41):
sil Goth would I'm sure be delighted to represent Center Court,
represent the government. But that would be amazing. But she's
also going to the Olympics in August for New Zealand,
so she's playing doubles with Aaron Rotluff at the at
the Olympics, So you know, I'm I'm not sure we
were thinking about a medal through the Olympics as part
(09:03):
of the tennis team, but it'd be they'd be amazing
to pick up a medal.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Very nice, Chris Bishop, thank you so much for your
time today. I really appreciate it. Thank you for more
from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Listen live to news talks.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
Now Nicola Willison is also a way to David standing
in for her as the Finance Minister. Chris Bishop, he's
also the Associate Finance Minister. How's Housing Minister, Infrastructure Minister
and Sports minister. Is really quite exhausting, Chris.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Just coming through that it's the old time.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Let's talk about Darlene Taner. What should happen to her?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Wow, it's a chakra, isn't it. It's really Look, it's
really over to the Greens. They've come out today and
said they basically as to stand down as in the MP.
I see a statements just come through from her saying
at least for the moment, she's not doing that. She
disputes the findings of the report. She says they haven't
given her any natural justice. It seems to be a
bit of a switch up. As my sort of general
take on it, I don't know the actual facts of it.
(00:43):
I don't think anyone does. You know, obviously people have
seen the public reporting around allegations of migrant exploitation and
things like that. She's now been under investigation for longer
than she's actually been an MP, and you know, at
vast expense. So look, it's a bit of a mess. Really,
it's over to them to sort it out, but all
feels pretty messy. She's now an independent MP. Of course
(01:05):
in the Parliament, the Queens can't actually make her resign
as an MP, so they've essentially expelled her from the caucus.
It feels like a bit of a mess to me.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So is this a clear case for a walker jumping bill?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, presision tech, I mean, it gets quite technical. The
first thing, the Greens have historically opposed to the walker
jumping to be feather them. They've had a very principal
position against it. And then secondly, from memory, I haven't
read the Act for a while, you do have to
show that the person who's expelled from the party x
disproportionately so that she would have to start voting against
(01:42):
the Greens on things. And of course it's only just
happened today and there haven't been any votes in Parliament
or anything like that, so let's just wait and see.
But it feels to me like they won't they won't
use it because historically they's been very opposed to it,
So let's just wait and see. But it's pretty messy,
isn't it. And it feels to me, Francesca like there's
a bit of a way to run on this.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Fortunately, Minister, you made a call last week to flood
New Zealand with housing. Are you surprised by the backlash
against the box shoe box housing?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, I don't know if if I would call it
a backlash. It's been a bit of public debate around it.
I mean, I just made a simple point that yep,
shoebox apartments, they aren't for everybody. But you know, there
are a lot bigger than people living in cars and tents,
which is definitely the case in New Zealand right now,
and so you know, small apartments aren't going to be
for everybody. But it's about housing choice, and we need
(02:30):
smaller apartments, we need bigger apartments. We need suburban houses,
we need duplexes, we need terraced houses, we need townhouses,
we need big mensions, we need everything. We need all
of the above, and that's what our housing policy is about.
Creating is about housing choices and housing supply so that
people can choose the way they live their lives. And
at the moment, we've got you know, over two thousand
families living in motels, We've got people living in cars,
(02:51):
we've got people living in tents, we've got people on
the social housing wait list, and we've got people paying
very very high rents to live in not particularly nice conditions.
So solving our housing crisis is about fixing the underlying
courses of that, which is land supply inside our cities
and at the edges of our cities and different housing typologies.
And that's what we're about creating.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
But you can understand why councils are concerned about the
infrastructure around us.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Absolutely and absolutely, and we're working away on that. And
there's the sort of three pilarity to our housing policy.
One is land supply. We made the ANNOUNCEMCE around that
last week. The second is the infrastructure tools so that
growth can pace growth, making sure we can build the
infrastructure required to support that. And we're working a well
on that, and I love more to say in the
(03:35):
next you know a few months around that. And then
the third part of it is incentives for councils, because
I hear the call of councils and they say, well,
you know, you guys in the central government, you get
all the upside from new houses, we get all the downside,
we get none of the none of the benefits, so
you know, share the love a bit. So I understand
that and we're working away on that and we're committed
to that as well. So all of that stuff's underway.
(03:57):
But it's pretty exciting, you know, we're making really good
changes to fix our housing crisis.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Auckland Council voted to oppose your request to increase speed
limits again. Is this Auklan Council telling you to side
off again, Chris.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, this is Auckland Council being a bit political. I
think we campaigned on reversing the blanket speed limit reductions
of the last government and we consider ourselves to have
a mandate to do that. And it's not to say
that you don't need lower speeds around schools. You do,
and we're in favor of that. But this kind of
blanket approach of lywering, you know, vast sways the city
(04:36):
streets down to thirty coldler is an hour we don't
think is the right thing to do, and that's why
we campaigned on it and we now implementing that policy.
It's out for consultation so the councilor will have a
a submission as part of that consultation process and there'll
be a variety of different views out there in the community,
but we're going to proceed with it.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Are you happy for counsels to do what they feel
is best for their city?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well within limits? I mean, you know that we have
a clear policy and a clear rule that Simmy and
browns at Vance and his Minister of Transport and so
government has the policy and you know there is obviously
some discretion within that, but you know, the broad policy
(05:21):
of the government is that we are reversing the blanket
speed lit reductions and actually in areas where you can
increase them up to one hundred and ten and we're
considing one hundred and twenty on four lane very safe roads.
You know we'll do that as well.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
How much does it cost to change all this?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Again, we will be undoubtedly about some costs, but there's
some cost to lower the speed limits, so there'll be
a cost to reverse them. But as I say, we
campaigned on it. It was a popular policy that the
National government and Act as well for that matter, campaigned on.
So there will be some cost, but I think it
would be worth it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
There was a story over the weekend about public sector
employees getting pay right is by getting their annual leave
paid out. This doesn't seem like hugely controversial to me
because I know a lot of people who you know,
they might have quite a lot of holidays owed and
they're allowed to cash them in. Is that essentially what's
happening here.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
That's as I understand that, that's what's happening. So actually,
National back in two thousand and nine allowed employees to
cash up a week and then you'll leave, which is
essentially what they're doing. So I don't have a problem
with it. That's the way the laws need to work.
You can cash it up if you'd like. Is it
a pay rise, Well, I mean it's more money. That's
the reason why people do it. I don't think it's
(06:35):
right to call it a pay rise.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
It's just cashing up and you'll leave, which they've accumulated.
I presume, I presume you're doing this because you want
to get you want to get the I mean it
generally happens when you accumulated too much and companies get
uncomfortable with how much you're sitting on.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right. Yeah, well yeah, exactly if the flip side is
you know you're not taking the leave, so you're cashing
it up. So you know, it's about of extra extra
choice for people. Really, it's people. You know, people are
going to make the.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Decisions that best fit in with your sports minister hat On.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
How good?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So no soon, isn't she fantastic?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant quarterfinal and she knocked over Emma RADICANU fantastic.
So I'm looking forward to watching the quarter final. I mean,
I mentioned she went all the way. That would just
be amazing, you know. So I think it's awesome for
the on sport, and I've noticed a lot of interest
in it actually just in the last you know, twenty
four or forty eight hours as she's marched on. And
(07:32):
how amazing that she was a qualifier, she had to
fight through the qualified tournament. I was reading today that
she she's the first qualifier to make the fourth round
or the quarters for quite a long time. I don't
have the exact I don't know the exact stats with me,
but you know, incredible that that very really happens. Right, Normally,
what happens is a qualify goes through the qualifying tournament
(07:53):
and you know, they're exhausted, they get to the first round,
they get knocked over by one of the top seeds
in the first round. She's managed to coul all the
way through to the quarters. So it's pretty.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Amazing, which is why Emma Radakanu was was talking about
her being dangerous, because that's exactly how she got through
the US Open and ended up winning the title as
well qualified and then went on to win. So if
she does get the final, do you believe that really
there should be a representative from the government at Wimoodon.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I hadn't even thought about that. I mean, that would
be there's just wait and see. We's just wait and see.
I think I'm pretty flute, pretty flat tack and the
next next week or so. But it would be pretty amazing,
no doubt. If she does make the Grand Final, I've
no doubt that our very hard working High commissioner over there,
(08:41):
sil Goth would I'm sure be delighted to represent Center Court,
represent the government. But that would be amazing. But she's
also going to the Olympics in August for New Zealand,
so she's playing doubles with Aaron Rotluff at the at
the Olympics, So you know, I'm I'm not sure we
were thinking about a medal through the Olympics as part
(09:03):
of the tennis team, but it'd be they'd be amazing
to pick up a medal.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Very nice, Chris Bishop, thank you so much for your
time today. I really appreciate it. Thank you for more
from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Listen live to news talks.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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