The removal of Sport New Zealand's community sport trans guidelines are sparking debate around who wins and who loses protection.
The principles around allowing participation based on gender identity were scrapped following a Government directive.
Sportstalk host D'Arcy Waldegrave unpacks the situation further.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right, Darcy has forgotten his headphones. Here he is with me.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
No, no, no, have forgotten my headphones. This should be
provided as a workplace necessity. I'm blaming somebody else and
here comes you. I have just watched my headphones on.
I've never experienced that twenty five years of my.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
This is a lovely producer and has been reduced to
coming in plugging the headphones in for Darcy and then putting.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Them on his head whilst I was grossing.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
While he rants rants at us and it's you chocolate fish
for you later.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
On Spectacular shoal.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Anyway, so tell me listen, I think that we've ended
up in the right place with the Sport New Zealand
transgender guidelines. What do you think.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, people might go surprise because they're now almost work
as the next guy to me, to me, this is
this is great. This is no overreach from the government.
There's the government saying you make your own minds up.
We're not going to do it anymore. It's one of
our business, really and it isn't so good on them
for doing that. And I think taking off of the
(01:07):
website some of their guidelines is probably not great because
I think their guidelines were a good idea, they weren't
mandated guidelines. Let's consider this. Consider that when you make
your decisions, you know that you know that that's what
the guidelines are.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
The guidelines. The guidelines were a very strong indication to
sport that they needed to include transgender athletes. And if
you don't believe me, go and read Railing Carlos Castle's
comments around it when she released them. It was very
clearly designed to be inclusive.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
But it wasn't rubber stamp you have to follow these guidelines.
Take them out then, Well, but couldn't they just say
these are still guidelines. Have a read. It might be helpful.
Isn't a situation here with transgender so difficult?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
It much information you need, Like this is the thing
you don't need to publish for people on your special
website how to do something. It's already out there. You
just ask chat GPT.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It sounds like you're a student. Complaints I get from
mid one about chat to go down. I'll tell you
they're all doing it. I think it's a good thing, though,
that the government's going to fly and in each different
organization can work out what they want to do. Mike
Kester is going to join us on the show this evening.
He's the boss of participation at a community level for
(02:20):
New Zealand Rugby Planning. It's big for them. What does
this say about what they're doing? How does this affect them?
What have they put in place? What have they learned
in this time? And I know I've along with ants
the most majestic producer in the world. He puts people's
headphones on. Have both been He's actually yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
She declined.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I was just about to say, we're both trying, but
like you're you're the boss, so I rang up and
the morning bro, are you chasing ray Lean? Yeah? Declined,
But never mind, what was the line? We've said everything
we want to say in our statement. Is nothing else
to say, So Lista's yeah, wow, who knows. I'm not
(03:05):
as all upset by that. Leave it to the sports
to make the decision at that community level. On the
other the big thing on this is I don't want
to sound uncaring or unloving, because I'm not, but the
percentage of athletes that actually directly affects is so small,
and the ferrari around it is so big. It's correct
really completely out of balance. It's like it's over.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Expressed and has the risk to get so ugly. So
I'm glad it's been dealt with by grown ups in
a grown up way. Darcy, thank you, looking forward to
your show this evening. That's Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk Hoasty,
We're back seven o'clock this evening on News Talks.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Z'd be yeah, come and take my headphones off.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
The Darcy's headphone entitlement sounds like the kind of behavior
one would expect from Adrian or.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I'm being compared to somebody important.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Then for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Listen live to News Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Right, Darcy has forgotten his headphones. Here he is with me.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
No, no, no, have forgotten my headphones. This should be
provided as a workplace necessity. I'm blaming somebody else and
here comes you. I have just watched my headphones on.
I've never experienced that twenty five years of my.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
This is a lovely producer and has been reduced to
coming in plugging the headphones in for Darcy and then putting.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Them on his head whilst I was grossing.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
While he rants rants at us and it's you chocolate fish
for you later.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
On Spectacular shoal.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Anyway, so tell me listen, I think that we've ended
up in the right place with the Sport New Zealand
transgender guidelines. What do you think.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, people might go surprise because they're now almost work
as the next guy to me, to me, this is
this is great. This is no overreach from the government.
There's the government saying you make your own minds up.
We're not going to do it anymore. It's one of
our business, really and it isn't so good on them
for doing that. And I think taking off of the
(01:07):
website some of their guidelines is probably not great because
I think their guidelines were a good idea, they weren't
mandated guidelines. Let's consider this. Consider that when you make
your decisions, you know that you know that that's what
the guidelines are.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
The guidelines. The guidelines were a very strong indication to
sport that they needed to include transgender athletes. And if
you don't believe me, go and read Railing Carlos Castle's
comments around it when she released them. It was very
clearly designed to be inclusive.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
But it wasn't rubber stamp you have to follow these guidelines.
Take them out then, Well, but couldn't they just say
these are still guidelines. Have a read. It might be helpful.
Isn't a situation here with transgender so difficult?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
It much information you need, Like this is the thing
you don't need to publish for people on your special
website how to do something. It's already out there. You
just ask chat GPT.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It sounds like you're a student. Complaints I get from
mid one about chat to go down. I'll tell you
they're all doing it. I think it's a good thing, though,
that the government's going to fly and in each different
organization can work out what they want to do. Mike
Kester is going to join us on the show this evening.
He's the boss of participation at a community level for
(02:20):
New Zealand Rugby Planning. It's big for them. What does
this say about what they're doing? How does this affect them?
What have they put in place? What have they learned
in this time? And I know I've along with ants
the most majestic producer in the world. He puts people's
headphones on. Have both been He's actually yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
She declined.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I was just about to say, we're both trying, but
like you're you're the boss, so I rang up and
the morning bro, are you chasing ray Lean? Yeah? Declined,
But never mind, what was the line? We've said everything
we want to say in our statement. Is nothing else
to say, So Lista's yeah, wow, who knows. I'm not
(03:05):
as all upset by that. Leave it to the sports
to make the decision at that community level. On the
other the big thing on this is I don't want
to sound uncaring or unloving, because I'm not, but the
percentage of athletes that actually directly affects is so small,
and the ferrari around it is so big. It's correct
really completely out of balance. It's like it's over.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Expressed and has the risk to get so ugly. So
I'm glad it's been dealt with by grown ups in
a grown up way. Darcy, thank you, looking forward to
your show this evening. That's Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk Hoasty,
We're back seven o'clock this evening on News Talks.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Z'd be yeah, come and take my headphones off.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
The Darcy's headphone entitlement sounds like the kind of behavior
one would expect from Adrian or.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I'm being compared to somebody important.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Then for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Listen live to News Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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