Full Show Podcast: 01 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather duple Cyland Drive with One New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today, shoplifters. We'll
get on the spot finds and new changes announced by
the government Today. We're going to speak to Sunny Coocial,
chair of the Retail Crime Ministerial Advisory Group. Got an
expert to explain if that new spider will kill you
if it gets you? And have you heard of the
nurse who went to India to get a new hip
for a quarter of the price here and actually recommends

(00:38):
it together duplicyl right with GOVI. It's on the shelves
from today. You can get yourself skinny like Oprah if
you want to, but it will cost you. I'll set
you back five hundred bucks a month. Now, that of
course is unaffordable for most people. So it's prompted a
debate over whether the government should fund it for you
in a bid to reduce obesity and actually save money
on obesity related illnesses and injuries later on. Now, on principle,

(01:01):
this is the kind of thing I'm a big fan
of I love putting money up front, a little bit
of money upfront in order to save lots of money
later on. But unfortunately, as it stands, this wouldn't be
an example of saving money. If you were funding wigov
like they do in the UK, you'd fund it for
people with a BMI over thirty. Now in New Zealand,
that's a lot of people. It's one point five million

(01:23):
adults apparently. Now, if every one of those adults cost
five hundred, five hundred dollars a month, that's six thousand
dollars a year. That would cost the country seven and
a half billion dollars a year, but it would only
save two billion dollars a year in obesity related healthcare costs. Now,
to be fair, that is only measuring health cost related
to obesity. As you know, of course, there are other costs.

(01:44):
If you carry too much weight, makes you prone to illness,
which makes you take days off work, makes you less productive.
So you could also measure the lost cost of productivity
across the workforce. Now that's about eight billion dollars. So
add that to the cost of healthcare, you've now got
let's say nine and a half billion dollars or there
about out that you would be saving. But measuring productivity

(02:04):
is a guessing game, right, So you're paying seven point
five billion dollars to maybe save nine point five billion dollars,
which I don't think is enough of a saving to
take a punt on, do you? Then you have to
factor in that for a lot of people, we're GOVI
only works when you're on it. The minute that you're
off it, you start putting the weight back on. Within
a year, you've got it all again. If you don't,
you know, have self discipline, so you might fund it

(02:25):
for a lot of people, only to end up paying
the cost of ABCIT related illness anyway later on. Now,
having said all of that, of course, what we're not
measuring here is the cost of a life right, of
a life well lived. And we find a lot of
drugs for people just to keep them alive, So maybe
we should do this just to keep people alive. Now,
the good news is that we're GOV comes off its
patent in January, which means that copycats will be made

(02:46):
for much cheaper, and that may change the maths maybe
next year, maybe the year there after, But for now,
if you're giving it to everyone who might need it,
the cost would simply be too much to justify. What ever,
due for cl weud swin Berner, who's a public health expert,
Reckons has a different take on it to me. So
whare which he had to have half the five o'clock
and compare numbers and see see what he's got to
say about it. Nine two nine two, by the way,

(03:07):
is the text number and standard text fees apply. Now
there is a new podcast by an Australian investigative journalist
and it's questioning whether the podcas the christ Church mosque
shooter should be considered a lone wolf. Former Guardian and
ABC journalist Joey Watson's six part series Secrets We Keep
Lone Wolf documents Brenton Tarrence descent into Radicalization. Joey Watson

(03:29):
is with us right now.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Hey Joey, Hey, hell, how are you going? Thanks so
much for having me on to talk about this important story.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
More than welcome. Now, why do you think we shouldn't
be calling him a lone wolf?

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Well, firstly, before I answer that, let me just establish
why I think he came to be seen as a
loan actor in the first place. When the attack happened
in March of twenty nineteen. It sort of brought to
the world stage this growing threat of Farrart extremism that
we were vaguely aware had been spilling across borders and
all becoming more organized than the peer leading up to

(04:01):
the attack, but very much in Australia and perhaps in
New Zealand, although for slightly different reasons soon after it
seemed to fade away from public view. After the initial shock,
War Off anniversaries were never recognized. And part of the
reason for that is he had created a narrative around
himself as a guy that had kind of acted alone,
and that was very convenient for people who wanted to,

(04:23):
you know, not really have anything to do with it,
to not engage with it on a serious levels, but
especially in Australia. Now, what I've done is I've gone
through all of the ecosystems that he was operating in
the years before the attack. I've followed in his footsteps
through Europe. I've got a string of posts, you know,
hundreds of posts from different platforms now going back for

(04:44):
four or five years and lead up to the attack,
and I can see how he was in this interconnected well,
how he engaged with this world, how he forecasted his violence.
Of course, he was operationally alone. He carried out the
attack by himself and it was self funded. But there
were people who were plat p We were targeting the
platforms that he was operating in, desensitizing users to violence,

(05:06):
providing materials that would be helpful in the planning of terrorism.
And the closer I looked at it, the more I
came to see that based on how these ecosystems operated
in the years before the attack, what happened in christ Church,
it certainly wasn't inevitable, but is tragically explainable.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Okay, So how explicit was he on these forums as
to what he was planning to do?

Speaker 4 (05:27):
I mean, we're talking about on at least two platforms,
one being the anonymous platform four chan, where we now
have a trove of his art posts going back four
years from researchers at the University of Auckland, and then
also in the post that he'd made in those particular
posts he was anonymous, but then also in posts that
he'd made in Australian extremist groups where he wasn't anonymous,

(05:48):
where he was signaling direct threats against places of worship
in New Zealand, in Duneden, where he was living. He
mentioned the fact that they're being more in two mosques
in christ Church. He mentioned the third mosque in Ashburton
in another post, which is where he was on his
way to after he'd after he'd livestreamed the attack on

(06:09):
the first two on the day of March fifteen. And
this violence in these contexts was being encouraged, celebrated. He
was he was part of a process where everyone in
those communities were desensitizing each other. He was, in that way,
part of something that was much much bigger than himself.

(06:32):
And this was deliberate, right. So you know, on platforms
like four Chan, you know, which were invisible to most
people in the lead up to christ Church, which is
part partly why maybe the lone actor narrative seemed to
fit so conveniently, people were aware of what was happening there.
But when you look closer, there were other websites around
four chan, you know, a place called Iron March, which

(06:52):
was this international fascist forum that was having a real
world impact on violence that was spilling into the real world.
Their users were actively targeting four Chan. Places like four
chan and eight Chan where the christ Church terrorist was
bringing users across and indoctrinating them into this radical ideology.
So it wasn't just sort of some random thing where

(07:14):
he had just snapped one day as he sort of
came to be seen. I mean, Australia had a model
for that kind of mass tudor because that's what had
happened at Port Arthur in nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
That was part of part of time asking before we.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Run out of time, what's going on with this migrant
hunting in Bulgaria.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
So a big one of the sort of biggest questions
I had in the attack was what he was doing
on his travels, sorry in the podcast, rather as what
he was doing on his travels. And he'd done two suspicious,
suspicious trips to an area of Europe known as the Balkans.
The first one was in twenty sixteen where he will
the end of twenty sixteen, in early twenty seventeen, where

(07:53):
he'd been in Serbia and Bosnia. This is a place
where people had killed for race and religion, where in
the nineties Bosniak Buslims has been targeted and very much
that history. No, no, that's that's not the suggestion. What
I what I tried to find is particularly for the
second trip, where he'd done this kind of targeted almost

(08:14):
pilgrimage across nationalist sites in Bulgaria, and I wondered sort
of how this had been directed because it's, you know,
it seems so obscure to anything that we really talked
about in Australia or anything that had been present in
the Australian extremist groups in the lead up to the attack.
And what I found from speaking to people in Bulgarian
intelligence was there are actually these migrant hunter groups on

(08:35):
the Turkish Bulgarian border that were meeting with foreigner with
foreigners that were putting out propaganda in English importantly, that
were targeting you know, English speaking extremists and you know,
in the inverse, extremists from from you know, Western countries
were coming there and meeting with them. And that, according

(08:55):
to them, was that was, you know, a likely explanation
for why he might have become so obs sessed with
with bog Area and that and that part of the world.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
I see. Hey, Joey, thanks very much for talking us
through it. Really appreciated. Joe Watson, investigative journalist and podcaster.
A podcast is called Secrets We Keep Lone Wolf sixteen
past four.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's the Heather Duper See allan Drive full show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Wright's nineteen past four. Elliott Smith hosting sports talk from
seven o'clock this evening on News Talks AIRBN with us Now,
Hey Elliott, Hey, Heather Wimble. DNA is going to be hot,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
It's stinking hot? Absolutely, And you know, one day in
and already we've had millions of storylines. It's the best
Slam of the year, it's the best two weeks of
tennis of the year. We had Yuliga putin savor asking
for a spectator to be ejected over security fears, the
world number thirty three in the women's draw, with Carlos
Alcarez almost losing to a thirty eight year old battling

(09:54):
basically on one league Fabio fog Nini. And then we
just had the general color of wimbled and where Lulu
Sun being knocked out as well, and then the other
thing hither as well. It was the first day that
Wimbledon used electronic line calling. Now Wimbledon, of course, all
the other Slams that got rid of it years ago,
and they had the you know, the well dressed line

(10:14):
judges that were very prim and proper. They've been replaced
by AI. So they've joined the real world now Wimbledon,
and the line judges have gone so and in some
ways I quite like that traditional aspect of the game
that you had real humans calling the line calls, and
that AI has gone and taken their jobs. So it's
not quite the same at Wimbledon. But it's underway for
another year, and that heat has been rather oppressive on

(10:36):
day one. We know about the heat wave going right
across Europe and stinking hot for a lot of those players.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Are they going to use that you have you read
anything about this heat rule?

Speaker 5 (10:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Oh, they've got a heat rule where if it gets
too hot, they have special breaks and stuff like that,
which I imagine they're going to have to use because
this is going to be the hottest Wimbledon on record.

Speaker 6 (10:55):
Yeah it is, and look that, you know, you look
at the Australian Open. Of course, they's played in the
two weeks of January, you know, right at the heat
of summer in Melbourne, and often they close the roof
because it's so hot over the air and the conditions
are so oppressive there that they have to take these breaks.
And to be honest, you know, Wimbledon in the UK
not really built for it compared to an Australia, and

(11:15):
when you've got the heat and it's turned up a
little bit, not only that, you know, the players are
probably more built for it than you know, your regulars
in the Standino during Carlos Olkrass match this morning, he
went over with a bot of cold water when one
of these spectators I think it collapsed in the stands.
So you know, perhaps the players are built for it
a little bit better than the spectators or the officials

(11:36):
that maybe aren't used to having a tennis tournament run
in that sort of heat.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah too. Right now, listen is Charm's definitely out for
a month.

Speaker 6 (11:42):
Charms is definitely out for a month. So that's not good.
Luke Metcalf has gone for the season, which we kind
of suspected, but just having it in writing, written down
by the Warriors and released today makes it a little
bit more real. And you look at the context of
their season. Now we're right at the business end of
the season. Your origin finishes next weekend and this is

(12:02):
when things really ramp up in terms of the race
of the plaffs. The Warriors, to their credit, they've got
themselves in a really good position, but they now lost
their first choice half back, their first choice fullback for
periods of time. I think they're obviously going to make
the eight. They will still make the eight, but it
just feels like that was a bit of a turning
point in the weekend, losing a couple of players and
now they're going to have to rebuild around a ton

(12:23):
of Boyd potentially coming in as a replacement. He hasn't
played nral season. He's been waiting in the wings in
reserve grade for the Warriors. They're going to have to
move the pieces around at a time of the season
here that whether you really don't want to be moving
too many pieces around, you want those pieces on the
chessboard in the right places. Now the Warriors having to
try and change things around not ideal that by this

(12:44):
week to try and figure it out, and then next
week they're going to have to roll out without their
first choice half back, first choice fallback Jays.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Okay, well, thanks Alliot, I appreciate it. Alliot Smith will
be on sports talk from seven o'clock this evening. So
the heat rule is that well at Wimbledon, and I
don't imagine they have much occasion to use this, given
you know it's Wimbledon, but the most likely we'll be
using it this year. They've got what's called the wet
bulb globe temperature, which is a measure that combines air
temperature and humidity and then the surface heat. And then

(13:10):
what they do is that it's not actually measuring how
hot you know, things are, but how hot it feels, because,
as you know, if you're standing in shade, it doesn't
feel as hot. If you're standing on a hot court
will feel a lot hotter. So they reckon it could
feel about thirty seven degrees out there on the courts
if it does hit anything over thirty point one, which
it almost certainly will. Then the players are allowed to

(13:31):
take the ten minute breaks during their matches. For the
best of three, they take the break after the second set.
For the best of five, they take a break after
the third set. They can leave the court to cool down,
but they can't get coached, can't get medical treatment.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Full twenty three Getting the facts discarding the fluff. It's
Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected news dogs.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
That'd be either what about we GOVI not being fully
funded because it's too expensive but merely parts subsidized affordable
to a budgeted extent. Now, I don't hate that idea, John,
I don't hate that idea. But then the question is
how much do you fund it for it to be affordable?
Because five hundred bucks a month there's a lot of money.
What about two hundred and fifty bucks a month? Is that?
Do we go half and half? And then if we
just drop the cost down to what is it like

(14:15):
three point seventy five billion, do we think that's affordable
for the country. I'm not sure, so I think we
should probably just wait for it to roll off its patent. Hey,
I've got some bad news. Noel edmonds as Wellness Center
has been munted by the flooding on the top of
the South Island. He's, of course the subject of a
documentary just doing quite well at the moment in the UK.
He's posted a video about it on YouTube.

Speaker 7 (14:35):
Our Wellness Center has taken the full brunt of the Torrent.
The two Beautiful Treatment suites in the gardens have been wrecked. Indeed,
one was torn from its foundations and thrown across the creek.
The doors were torn off the outside gym. The main
building is now covered in a thick layer of silt

(14:57):
and mud. Three years of hard graft destroyed in just
a few hours.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
If you if you're a fan of nol, you'll know
that this is a This is kind of Noel has
a problem with the weather already in the country. He's
talked about the fact that running a hospitality business is
difficult when there's torrential rain in Nelson, which is stopping
punters from coming to the pub. Well, that's just been something.
It's just that's just come at him a lot more,

(15:27):
hasn't it. Now he says he's actually thinking of giving
it up because he and his wife have spent three
years put three years into the wellness center and was
already not making money. If you've watched the documentary or
heard of the documentary, he's actually been losing quite a
bit of money just trying to run the pub in
the vineyard in the wellderness Center. Hopefully he doesn't because
I feel like that document I reckon that documentary was

(15:47):
actually gonna kick start things wonderfully, so he is hoping
fingers crossed for him. We'll go to Australia very shortly
headlines and.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Next putting the challenging questions to the people at the
heart of the story. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected news dogs. That'd be because.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Apparently Lawless has had a bit of a crack at
Wellington Council this morning on the Red You so we'll
have a chat to Thomas Cockland about that in ten
minutes time. Ardie Savia has spoken for the first time
since the Mowana Pacifica funding saga broke, which basically makes
you come to the conclusion that more on A Pacifica
is not going to exist next year unless a lot
of people come come forward with a lot of money.

(16:37):
He's currently training with the All Blacks because they've of
course got the test against France or Saturday. He said
it would be a huge loss if Mowana Pacifica wasn't
in any rugby competition. Any competition needs them. Where the
Lord's team, where the people's team. Now I agree with him,
that would it would be a huge loss to get
rid of Moana Pacifica because there have been the story

(16:57):
of the Super Rugby competition this year. But unfortunately even
the Lord's team needs a lot of money, about twelve
million dollars. And that's the thing it's missing. At the moment,
twenty three away from five, it's.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
The world wires on news talks they'd been drive.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
The US Senate is debating Donald Trump's One Big Beautiful
Bill Act. The bill has raised and support of this
stay as two Republican senators are outspoken critics of it,
and here's one of them.

Speaker 8 (17:21):
So why do I tell six hundred and sixty three
thousand people and two years or three years when President
Trump breaks his promise by pushing them off of madicaid
because the funding's not there.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
More than thirty people have reportedly been killed in an
Israeli airs strike on a beachside cafe in Gaza.

Speaker 9 (17:40):
This man was there, everyone was happy sitting in the cafee.
They were escaping the service. Then the missile hit. It
tore into the children, the women, the men, and the workers.
No one was paired.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
And finally, if that gets a four year old where
Northeast India has almost pulled off a daring escape from kindy.
He grabs his backpack. He dashed off down the road,
but he didn't get very far because he was on
foot and the teachers were also on foot, but a
lot faster. When the teachers caught up with him and
then cut him off, the boy initially threw a bit
of a tanty, but he calmed down then agreed to

(18:12):
come back to Kindy when he was off at a
pack of muffins. Twitch is rewarding bad behavior.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Murray old Zzy corresponds to us a muzz.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
The bribery always works, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, but you only defer. You just delay the problem,
don't you.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
Don't you? You do put it off, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
You'd know about that. Now. Listen, this childcare worker business
is grim, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (18:41):
Dreadful?

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Dreadful, and lots and lots of parents in Melbourne are
for those obsensitive dispositions. You may want to turn off
the radio because this is pretty it's pretty confronting to
be honest, isn't it. As a twenty six year old man,
he's been a childcare worker at twenty different centers across Melbourne.
Been in Castady since May. Since last month, well a
bigger part in the month before, after the alleged discovery

(19:04):
of child abuse material led police to him. Now it's
alleged that he's committed these offenses, seventy different offenses involving
eight alleged victims between five months old and two years
at one center in western Melbourne between April twenty twenty
two and January twenty twenty three. Here's the thing, the

(19:27):
Chief Health that the Chief Health Officer of Melbourne has
recommended twelve hundred children now be tested. Authorities say they
may have been exposed to infections. We don't know which infections,
but authorities are saying to mums and dads the children
potentially were exposed to infections that may be treated with antibiotics.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
So, as I say, this.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Is unfolding today, shocked right across Melbourne, particularly in the
southwest suburbs of Melbourne. As I say, twenty childcare said
is this accused persons worked at over over some years.
He's twenty six years old. We'll find out more thean
next day or two.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Jude, these allegations are going to do nothing for men
who work in Eceea. Gosh, no, of course not man
that's rough, okay, all right, what's going on with the weather.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Then, well, we've got what they're calling a weather bomb.
It's a big low pressure systems formed off the New
South Wales coast. It's tracking south and it's getting stronger
in intensity. Came south from roughly, I suppose, just below
the Queensland border. It's sitting off sitting right now. I'm

(20:39):
looking down on Manly Beach. I can't barely see Manly Beach.
And it's bringing up to two hundred mills of rain.
It's bringing wind gusts of one hundred and twenty five
one hundred and thirty k's an hour, seven meter swells
off the coast. So you're going to have surfers out
there doing their best, but authorities saying don't be dark,
do not be crazy. All so the worst is yet

(21:01):
to come. The Weather Bureau forecasting even stronger winds and
heavier rain tonight and into tomorrow. You've had flights canceled
at the airport. Incoming and outgoing public transport is a
bit of a mess.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Sydney Harbor ferries canceled. This is a rain bomb.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
You just have to hunker down and do your best,
I suppose, but you know, flash flooding is a real
is a real possibility. And those poor buggers up north,
Heather who were in the firing line with that big,
big storm.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
The big flooding of only a few weeks ago, they're
copying it again. Yeah, so it really is for them.
It's just it's deja vu. Mas.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Now, what about this junk food this junk food ad band,
what do you make of that?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Well, well, it's for the first for the first time
in Australia. It's in force now in South Australia. It's
the first jurisdiction right across the state. Every bus, every
you know bus shelter that you wait for, the bus
stop at railway or public transport and so on. Foods
that are high and sold and fat are banned from

(22:03):
these places. And of course they've occupied Philly prominent places
for these ads. This has been taken from a band
we understand that was introduced some time ago in London
and apparently that did lead to a sharp reduction in
the consumption of junk food. Can help parents make better
choices too. If these ads aren't there, the kids can't
be triggered. There was something that I heard this morning.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
What's it called. It's called now I can't read my
bloody notes.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
There's some new marketing phrase that some gurus come up
with that basically says.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
Moms and dads are captive. The kids are in the
back of the car.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
They go past the bus stop, Mom and dad do
the instant left hand turn and.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
Going get the dirty bird of the mackers.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
So there's a whole lot of pressure on parents and
anything that can help because the government here both sides
the soft drink lobby. Here, there's this frantic rejection of
any attempt to impose attacks on sugary, on sugary foods
and drinks, they say, oh no, no, no, it's freedom
of a choice. No, it's not make them more expensive,

(23:07):
fewer people will eat them and drink them.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Maz what's the phrase?

Speaker 5 (23:11):
I can't find it?

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Okay, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna hang up on you,
but you you ever look, because now I'm fascinated. Find
it and then let us know, and then I'll make
sure I let everybody know better. Be good as well.
By the way, it's Murray Old's Australia correspondent. By the way,
the jury is still out in the air in Patterson trial,
so we're into more than what like twenty fourish hours.
So the hotel must be quite nice or somebody thinks

(23:35):
she's not guilty. Hold out, Okay, the government day two,
day three, now, isn't it day three of law and
order announcements? Or on quite a bit of a roll
dealing with the shoplifters today. So what they're introducing is
some on the spot finds. So if someone's caught shoplifting
up to five hundred dollars worth of goods, they could
be stung with an on the spot fine of five

(23:55):
hundred dollars. If the goods are over five hundred dollars,
they get stung with the final one thousand dollars. If
the goods are less than two thousand dollars, the maximum
time in jail possible is one year, and if it's
more than two thousand dollars, the maximum time in jail
is seven years. Now, I've got a lot of quier,
lot of questions about this, because hold on a tack,
who's handing out that fine who's handing Is it the cop?

(24:17):
Because how is that gonna work?

Speaker 10 (24:18):
Then?

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Because do cops even got Like, let's start at the
very beginning, which is a very good place to start
if your wait. Is a cop gonna turn up for
a shoplifting offense? Right? I mean we heard that, we
saw the memo the other day. They don't come for
five hundred dollars. Now they say they come for five
hundred dollars.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
It's low.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
It's the low last thing that they're gonna bother with.
So first of all, you got your shoplifter there, you
have to try and get the cop there. You have
to keep the shoplifter there while the cop comes. Then
the CoP's gonna hand out a fine. But hold on,
have we established guilt yet because we haven't been to court,
So the person can just go I'm not guilty. Then
you can't hand out the fine, can you? So many
questions that we're going to talk to Sunny Koschel after
five o'clock quarter two.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
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Speaker 3 (24:58):
Thomas Coglin, The Herald's political leaders with US high Thomas,
A good afternoon. See Grunt Spencer's back.

Speaker 11 (25:03):
Yes, Grant Spencer is back. So the former acting Reserve
Bank Governor, who was obviously out of the picture under
the Adrian or regime, has now returned. So he has
been appointed to the Reserve Bank Reserve Bank Board by
Finance Minister Nicola Willis for a five year term. Will
be very interesting to see what he does there. He

(25:25):
actually spoke to me on my podcast a little while
ago fairly critical of the Bank's COVID era stimulus, that
money printing and the low interest rates that clearly caused
the massive housing bubble in twenty twenty one. So he
told us back in twenty twenty two that that clearly
the bank got that wrong and I think has probably

(25:45):
been born out as having the correct view on that.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Interesting. What tice to have somebody on the board who
actually like this is his bread and butter, right, this
is the thing that he's an expert in.

Speaker 10 (25:57):
Yeah, yeah, it is.

Speaker 11 (26:00):
You know, I think it's been maybe the better part
of a decade now that you've you've had a lot
of criticism from the likes of I think Eric Crampton
at the New Zealand Initiative was one of the big
critics of just the lack of expertise at the Bank
itself and Treasury too across the road at Treasury as well,
just a declining influence of economists and a bit of
a mission mission drift. So I think here Nicola willis,

(26:23):
if you if you read the tea leaves and ask yourself,
what's Nicola willis? What's the messages she's sending. She's probably
sending a message of you know, back to basics too please.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Now, speaking of what did she say this morning?

Speaker 11 (26:37):
Speaking of Yeah, she went on on Nick Mills on
the Wellington's Wellington Mornings with the Nickmails this morning and
was asked, you know, as as as as a lot
of politicians are asked down here, what does she think
of the vibes of Wellington. It was pretty frank that
that the city's you know, feeling a bit glum. But
she pointed the finger at the council and was pretty
critical of the rates that Wellingtonians and Wellington businesses paid.

(27:00):
And we've actually, if you'll pardon a bit of cross
promotion here on the Herolds, we did we did a
bit of digging onto those rates and they are really
high in Wellington. Wellington's average commercial rates bill was forty
seven thousand dollars. Comparing that compares to twenty thousand dollars
in Auckland in eighteen thousand. In christ Change, it's nearly

(27:21):
doubled in about sixty years. So Wellington businesses, Wellington commercial
landlords are really feeling it down here and it does
sort of speak to some of the malaise that you
see on the streets. So that was interesting that she
chose to raise that issue because obviously she cops a
bit of flack for the public service cuts, which obviously
won't be helping, but the council probably has a bit
of a bit of blame that it has to wear

(27:42):
as well.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
A bit of blame Thomas, a quite a lot of blame. Well,
thank you Thomas. Now what do you make of the
idea of partially privatizing the Enter Islander Service?

Speaker 11 (27:53):
I look, don't I don't hate that idea. You'd have
to say the Blue Bridge, the Blue Bridge fear which
have been running for a long time in Wellington I
have been running pretty well. And key Rail who have
been running the Enter Island service have have you know,
I think customer issue just say yes, Well you can

(28:14):
probably say that I thank you that they they have
displeased customers and that even displeased their owners. I don't
think the government likes them like.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yes, Winnie p who loves a bit of you know,
national ownership of an assets, is not going to partially privatize.

Speaker 11 (28:30):
As he no, that is it is Winston Peters is
very long held views on privatization or partial privatization, so
he is not going to move in that direction. Ax
is very keen to move in that direction introduce a
bit of private capital and the National Party, I'd say
the National Party are more keen on it than not,
and Nicola Willis has sort of made some supportive sounds,

(28:51):
but it hasn't really committed to anything now because.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
They're planning to run on it for the next or
I don't know if they're going to run on it,
but they certainly planning to execute it in the second term.

Speaker 12 (28:58):
Right.

Speaker 11 (28:59):
It's the the mood music is being played very loudly
for a discussion about asset sales from the National Party
at the next election. I'd look at places like Land
Corp and qv things like that, and maybe the Entland
Is when they eventually arrive in twenty twenty nine, perhaps
perhaps is better than when.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah, yeah, I like that, Thank you very much, Thomas appreciated.
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. Hi, the why are
people stealing? Because they don't have any money? How are
they going to pay for a fine? But you make
a very good point. It's not the only reason that
people steal. People also steal to order, and people also
still just be naughty if the Louis one is looking
for a bit of fun. But it's a fair point
you make because look at how hard it is to
get reparations out of people, right, like one dollar fifty

(29:39):
a week or something like that. So goodluck getting that
five hundred dollar fine out of them, eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast, it.

Speaker 13 (29:49):
Looks like the doors open to some sort of part
privatization of the new ferries across the Strait. The wut
Prime Minister to David Seymore, he likes that things with us.
Do we care who owns them?

Speaker 12 (29:58):
Well, I certainly do. The Coast week and own two
billion dollar ferry business. That's the government's paying five percent interest.
That's one hundred million every year. Now it'd better be
making at least one hundred million to pay that back.
But sadly, most government businesses are making a huge loss
across the board, and I think it's time for some
honest conversations. Given government's trek record of being hopeless at
maintaining hospitals, hopeless with the state housing portfolio, do we

(30:19):
want to keep spending on interest payments for assets that
aren't performing?

Speaker 13 (30:23):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking breakfast with
the defender Octor newstalg Zby.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah, the Goalers was not hungry, very good, but Golders,
by the way, Goldras had expensive taste though, so she
wouldn't have got the on the spot fine, would she,
because I think, I mean, look, maybe for the single
item she might have got an on the spot fine,
but I suspect that it all added up to sort
of the seven years in jail type fine anyway, fine.
In the slammer, the phrase that Muz was looking for

(30:53):
was in his notebook, which is at work, So we
will have to wait till Thursday to find out what
that phrase was. But fortunately somebody, somebody is smart and
probably works in marketing or something like that, said Heather.
The phrase that Mars is probably looking for is pester power.
And then Mars did remember it, because you know how
sometimes if you're of an age like it, just it
takes you just a few clicks for that little cog

(31:14):
to go and you go, oh, that's right. So he
did come back and he said, look, it's mess. It
is pester power, which is applied to the forces exerted
on parents to give into what the little beasts want.
So the little beast sees the ad for the I mean, listen,
can I just put Can I just say this though,
I'm going to say that, you know I'm gonna say.
I'm just I'm just warming you up. I'm not asking
your permission to say this. I'm going to say this. Okay,

(31:38):
do we need to ban ads because parents don't know
how to say no? I mean, surely if little mate
goes to your mammy an want some of the dirty bed,
I want to have some KFC, you go nap, just nap.
That's it, isn't it isn't it? And then nah, and
you're not. And if you keep on crying, turn around
to do that thing with your car's kind of wabbling
because you've got your finger backwards. I mean you while
you're driving down the motorway. You carry on like that,

(31:58):
and I'll tell you what you're not gonna get. You're
not going to get any chocolate tonight before you go
to bed. So, shosh, do you not do that? Because
I find that that works wonderfully. I don't have to
have any of those bandings. Actually, and he's now three
and a half, so we've just got to that point
now where he understands consequences quite well. So I started
whipping out there. If you carry on doing that, I
am going to take your favorite Lego car away for

(32:21):
the rest of the day. And I just get this
look of horror that crosses his face. I'm not going
to name names, but there is a parent out Jeez,
I've got distracted, and there's a parent out there who
takes the toys out to the driveway. I work with.
This person takes the toys out to the driveway and
smashes them with a hammer in front of the child
of the behavior is bad enough. I don't think I
like that because I feel like that's a disrespect of property.

(32:43):
But you know that would stop the winging about the
dirty bird, wouldn't it? As well? If you absolutely had
to anyway. Listen, there's a spider noble false widow spider
found imported, not one of ours, imported migrant spider found
imported to her late last year. Since then christ Church
Newson Northland wycut or we're gonna find out shortly if

(33:04):
win it bites you, it will kill you. And also
we're going to find out about these fines from Sunnay
Coachel in just a minute. News Talks EB.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
So you to get the then let's lead, we can dance.

Speaker 5 (33:15):
We can dance on.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Thatine, digging through the spin to find the real story.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
Gooring.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
It's Heather Dupasy on drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected. News Talks V Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Shoplifters will soon be getting on the spot finds the
government's proposal as as follows. Shoplifting of up to five
hundred dollars, the fine is five hundred dollars. Shoplifting of
up of over five hundred dollars the fine is one
thousand dollars. And then there are also changes to the
maximum jail time for higher value shoplifting. Sunny Kochel is
the chair of the Retail Crime Ministerial Advisory group. Sonny's

(33:52):
with us right now? Hey, Sonny, really good after Heather?
Is this what retailers want?

Speaker 14 (33:57):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (33:58):
Well, this has been over you from long time. You know,
the retail crime is costing a New Zealand two point
eight billion dollars per anum, which is over fifty million
dollars per week or over seven million dollars per day.
And in terms of shoplifting, there were eighty five thousand
reports or made to police last year. That's over two

(34:18):
hundred reports a day. So in terms of shoplifting, it
now costs retailers one point four billion dollars every year,
which is twenty seven million dollars per week or three
point eight million per day. And this is a cost.
It's not just paid by the retailers, but it's paid
by every consumer and every New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Sonny, though, how can the police find somebody on the
spot if guilt hasn't actually been determined through a court process?

Speaker 15 (34:47):
Well so is of course the police can do, you know,
on the spot and otherwise the it can be reported.
You know, currently what is happening half of all police
proceedings shoplifting is going no further than a police warning
and nobody wants to see a first time offender or
somebody for whom shoplifting is out of character, so being

(35:09):
prosecuted through the courts, and that's disproportionate and not in
the publican trust or financial responsible. But that doesn't mean
a warning will always be suption. So an infrontment notice
adds to police's toolbox to choose the most appropriate response
to offending in the circumstances.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
And do you think these people will actually pay it?

Speaker 15 (35:32):
Well, that's the deterrent that we need to create and
we want to be are basically making it easier for
police to prosecute shoplifter. As said, the shoplifting has more
than double since twenteen nineteen, and it's it's hugely costing us.
You know, the biggest loophole in our proposals we are
closing is removing the value threshold for the lowest level

(35:54):
of shoplifting. You know, currently currently the shoplifting is only
punishable by a maximum sentence of three months improvement when
the value of goods stolen unless than five hundred. So
this is the lowest penalty in the Crime Act and
it's not a substent return end and the law penalty
also sends a wrong signal to police, to the courts,

(36:17):
to offenders and the victims that sharplifting is not a
serious offense.

Speaker 14 (36:21):
It is.

Speaker 15 (36:22):
It is costing us hugely and ultimately the surprise we
all pay at the tell.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Sonny, it's good to talk to you. Best of luck
with us. The Sunny Coocial Chair of the Retail Crime
Ministerial Advisory Group, Heather do for see Ellen wait Loss
drug Wigovi is available in New Zealand from today, but
it isn't cheap. It's not funded by Farmac, so anyone
who wants to actually use it has to shell out
five hundred bucks a month and this prompted a debate
about whether we should be funding at Professor Boyd Swinburn

(36:47):
is from Auckland University School of Population of Health and
with us Hi Boyd, Hi, Heather, do you think we
should publicly fund it?

Speaker 10 (36:55):
I think in the end it'll get on the public
public funding, but it won't be at five hundred bucks
a month. When when these early drugs, the first generation
of these drugs come off patent, their price will drop
enormously and that'll give Farmac a chance to really negotiate
down the price, and that will make the cost effectiveness

(37:15):
equation very strong. I think. So we'll see it, we'll
see it come come about, but not until then.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
How much cheaper do you reckon?

Speaker 10 (37:25):
Well, you just look at what we used to pay
for like cholesterol lowering drugs and so on. When they
first came out, it was huge, and Farmac took a
long time to come around to funding those for the
whole population because of the cost. But in the end
they dropped off patent and now they're really cheap. But
I can't tell you the exact prices or what were

(37:45):
this is going to end up.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, do you think that we prescribe it for everybody over,
will make it available to people with a BMI over
thirty or do.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
You go.

Speaker 10 (37:59):
No, Well that's recommendation at the moment, a bm I
over thirty or a BMI over twenty seven with come.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
That's a lot of people. I mean, according to one
health reporters about one point five million adult New Zealanders.

Speaker 10 (38:12):
I know it's a huge amount. And it's similar with
high blood pressure. You know, we've got a lot of
New Zealanders with high blood pressure and we treat them, yeah,
with tablets as well on a regular basis, and then.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 10 (38:25):
Boy?

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Do you leave people? Because I mean the initial studies
are showing that you go on, we'll go v and
you lose the weight, you come off, and you put
the weight back on within a year. So do you
leave people on it permanently?

Speaker 14 (38:34):
Then?

Speaker 10 (38:35):
Yeah, Well, this is the thing about drugs that don't
work if you don't take them. And again, the analogy
will make cholesterol. That people have high blood pressure and
high cholesterol because of a mix of their you know,
their genes and their lifestyle and their habits and all
that sort of thing. And we've got no problem funding

(38:56):
those or accepting that those people need to be on
them for you know, for a long time, probably their
life if they want to prevent the diseases that they
prescribed for it. So we do have to get our
mindset around that a little bit.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Okay, So it comes off patent in January. So how
long before we actually are able to get the cheap start.

Speaker 10 (39:15):
Off They come off Peyton this January?

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Well I thought it did. Somebody told me that, Oh, okay,
don't quote me.

Speaker 10 (39:21):
I think they haven't put an application and yet to
Farmac and Farmac's wheels turned pretty slowly, but the drug
company has obviously got a huge amount of money behind
it and they've got all the data, so they'll turn
the wheels as quickly as they can. I'm sure they
had a problem with supply at one stage, but I
think they've overcome that now.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Yeah, brilliant. Okay, Boyd, thank you so much. Appreciate it's
Professor Boyd Swinburn Auckland University School of Population Health.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Look, I've seen January. I really really hope to god
it's January. Well did I just make that up? And
now I'm going to embarrass myself. Oh look, I'll have
a look. I'll come back to you so you don't
I have to google it and you can trust me
when I come back to you this time. Jaffer gone.
That's it. That is it. The jaffer has gone. RJ's
who make the Jaffer, have confirmed that it has now
been pulled. They can't keep making jaffers, they say, due

(40:13):
to declining sales. They are no longer on the product
page of RJ's website. They haven't been on the social
media since January. So that's the end of it. So
if you if you can. I think there's still some
Jaffers at New World, but Woolies has got rid of
all the sold out of the Jaffers. So if you
if you're absolutely one hundred percent into the Jaffers, you

(40:36):
need to go and buy some quick smart and stock
up because other, you know what, if it was ten
or fifteen years ago, I would have been sad about this,
but I'm a grown up now and I don't care.
And also the other thing is is this unfair? But
have you noticed this? I feel like they swapped out
the chocolate in the Jaffer a long time ago, and
it's the stink chocolate now, you know how you get

(40:57):
good chocolate and the good chocolate gone, you know, and
you're like, oh, I want some more of that, and
then you get that cheap chocolate that kind of leaves
a coating on your tongue. Like it's the crappy stuff
that people sometimes put in, like the chocolate chippy bits
in their cakes, you know, like really stink, bad rubbish chocolate.
I feel like it was that, and I feel like
that is why I stopped eating the jap As. I
could be wrong, but either way, I will never find

(41:19):
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bag and they're called orange chocolate balls and you will
absolutely need your shot of wigovy after that. Nineteen past five. Listen,
don't panic, but there are some dangerous spiders that have

(42:26):
invaded New Zealand. Noble false widow spiders spotted and ported
to a last year. Now they're in christ Church, Nelson,
Northland and Waitecuttle. Professor Stephen Truick is an evolutionary ecologist
at Massi University High Stephen, Hello, Hello. If they bite you,
do you die?

Speaker 16 (42:46):
Possibly? Very unlikely? A worst can I his scenario? I'll
give you the worst case scenario. You're liking around in
your backyard, you nick yourself, or you think you've nicked
yourself on something. You're reaching for that cricket ball behind
the fence, and know the usual thing, you're paying no
attention to it. You don't know you've been bidden by
a spider. But you get an infection where the bite was,

(43:12):
but you still don't know it was a spider. You
eventually decide I've got to go to the doctors, even
though I have to wait and pay and all the
rest of it. And they say, well, dear, you know
you've got an infection. Will give you some antibiotics. The
antibiotics don't work. You get an open ulcer, you get
awa ane and said around for six hours whatever it is,
and get looked at, and then they starting to find

(43:35):
other solutions because well, alternative antibiotics. So the thing is
that like most spiders, they're not going to bite you
because they're not interested in you. But this one they
do have some toxins that are similar to the toxins
that black widows and red backs have their predators. After all,

(43:58):
that's what they use their toxins for, little little things.
I don't know whether it you know, you can feel
anything when one of these bi biders bites you. There's
not been reports of scruciating pain. You probably have a
bit of a niggle, but much more likely you don't
recognize it at the time. And that's in a way

(44:18):
the problem, because if you do get an infection from
the bacteria associated with this spider, then it's difficult for
people to track or how did you get this, where's
it come from? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah, okay, but we're not sort of like you've got
five minutes you need to smoke your last cigarette and
you're gonna fall over.

Speaker 14 (44:37):
And.

Speaker 16 (44:39):
Well you shouldn't be smoking a cigarette anyway, But.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Well, you've got five minutes. I don't know about you, Steven,
but I'm probably going to smoke a cigarette. I'm going
to find one.

Speaker 16 (44:47):
What have you got time for, priate?

Speaker 14 (44:48):
That's right.

Speaker 16 (44:49):
No, it's certainly not wherever you can manage your fabriate. No,
it's certainly not like that. The venom of these things
similar even black widows in Australia. It might be painful,
it might give you a bit of discomfort, but it's
not going to kill you.

Speaker 12 (45:07):
Okay.

Speaker 16 (45:07):
The interesting thing is to follow on stuff if that happens,
the infection that might follow.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Okay, thank you really appreciated. That made me feel a
bit better. Stephen appreciated Stephen Trueck, who's an expert. They
like urban environments. They hang around gardens, they hang around
outdoor furniture, under pot plants, under tar Pauland's, in fence crevices.
Males are seen at night on exterior walls, are on
the ground. So you know, just avoid, but you know

(45:33):
you're not going to die. How good is that? I
was kind of right about The patent depends on where
you look. Different patents expire at different times. So there
are some patents are expiring next year as early as March.
In places like China, Canada, India, and Brazil, there will
be patents ex expiring next year, so there will be
generic versions of WEGOVI popping up. But in places like

(45:55):
the States, for example, they have got patents going all
the way through for maybe maybe seven years, maybe a decade,
so it'll be a little while before you get the
generic out of the State's five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Checking the point of the story, it's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth
tog sa'd.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Be five twenty five. So the act Party has confirmed
today what I told you last week. I had heard
had happened with that treaty clause in the education legislation
that's got Erica Stanford in trouble. Now, if you haven't
caught up on this, what's happened as Erica Stanford tweaked
the education law, but then she left the treaty clause
in there. And the treaty clause forces school boards to
give effect to the Treaty of Wykungy by reflecting local

(46:35):
t kung Amori mat todung A Maori and the owl
Marii and so on. Now, what I told you last
week was that I'd heard Erica knew that clause was
there and chose to leave it there. Act asked her
to take it out. She didn't want to take it out,
so they struck a compromise. The compromises, they're going to
send it to Paul Goldsmith and he's going to review
all the treaty clauses and all the laws. David Seymore

(46:56):
has basically confirmed today publicly that that is what happened. Now,
this is not a good look for National because, regardless
of what you think of that treaty clause and whether
you want it out or not, a lot of National
Party voters, New Zealand First voters and Act Party voters
probably expected that clause to come out because that was
in the coalition agreement with New Zealand First. Now, what

(47:17):
National can say in its defense is that they never
promised to get rid of them. They promised to get
rid of them or rewrite them. And there's the wriggle
there's the wriggle room right there. They might rewrite them.
And I suspect that maybe what National is planning to
do not get rid of them, but rewrite them, because

(47:37):
they haven't got the courage. Tell you what, it's going
to be a hard sell to those voters who voted
for the various parties in this coalition government looking for
a tidying up those principles, and they're going to told
be told those principles are staying there, they're just being rewritten.
I suspect that's a fair few voters who are going
to be a little bit upset about that. Plus it's
double handling. It's untidy. Could have been one minister tidying
up the bill taking out the principle. Now it's two

(47:59):
ministers tidying up the bill, and on top of that,
National looking publicly like it's going soft. Here's a tip
to National, do it properly the first time. If you
don't do it properly the first time, it just looks
like you're getting dragged to it by your minor coalition partner. Ever,
dupless youth parliamentarians are pretty upset at the moment they
reckon that they are being censored because they wrote some

(48:20):
speeches and the speeches were a bit mean about the
government and stuff like that. So anyway they're gonna They're
gonna come on the show and explain to us what's
going on here. If you and they'll be with us
after half pass. If you're a fan of James Bond,
I've got some good news for you. It looks like
the James Bond bosses have narrowed down their shortlist to
three names. Right, these are the three people who could
men who could play James Bond. The first one is

(48:43):
Jacob Elaudi from Saltburn. He was the one. He's the
love interest. He's not the creepy one at the center
of Saltburn. He's the one that the creepy one's into,
do you know what I'm talking about? The one in
the bar. That one, he's kind of hot. I'm okay
with that. Second one is Tom Holland from Spider Man,
also not looking. Third one is Harris Dickinson from Baby Girl.

(49:03):
Least well known of the three of them. They really
really want a British actor under thirty. One of them
is Aussie. But that's that's the same, isn't it. So
there you go. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
After making the news, the news makers talk to Heather First.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected news talk.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Huddle is standing by Winston Peters is going to be
with us after six and talk us through whether he
is at all interested answers probably know in the partial
privatize I privatization of key we rail. So anyway we'll
get us. We'll get his take on why that isn't
a good idea? Heather, you can get Jeffer cake Gin.
It's beautiful. Hey, we've got to talk about gin because

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we are making some outstanding gin in this country and
it's actually getting recognized worldwide. So let me run you
through that very shortly. Right now, it's twenty four away
from six now. Some youth parliamentarians are claiming government censorship
after suggested changes to their speeches. All youth MPs get
a three minute speech, but some say that the speeches
were edited to remove references to pay equity in the

(50:15):
Treaty of White Tonguey Principles Bill and so on. Nate
Wilbourne is one of the youth MPs who had their
speeches changed, and Nate's with us now, Hi, Nate got it. Hello,
what was the problem with your speech?

Speaker 5 (50:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (50:27):
Okay, so a little bit of context here. So I'm
one of the one hundred and twenty three youth MPs.
So I've come across altered or the sweet trippers in
our communities here in Youth Parliament. Essentially my speech which
I'll be giving tomorrow morning, topic of it is the
war on nature. And when I sub in my speech
because it was part of the procol we have submit
our speeches to the Youth Parliament Project team, I got

(50:47):
a reply as well as an edited vision of my
speech where a majority of it was cut out and
the reply had quote un quotes. Some of the speech
lacks political neutrality by criticizing dis government and current ministers.

Speaker 16 (50:59):
But this is what we believe.

Speaker 17 (51:01):
What I believe is a pretty pretty you know, out
there form of censorship of youth waltzers here in his parliament.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Are you going to give it anyway?

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (51:09):
Hell yeah no, I'm going to be out there tomorrow.
I'm going to be why. I intend to call up
Minister's Shane Jones, some of Pautucker, Penny Simmons for their
actions and assault on nature because that's you know, I
believe that I'm here to give my voice on what
I care about and what my community back in Brightwater
and my electra care about.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
They reckon, this is the ministry. I reckon. It was
just suggestions they were making that it was really up
to you guys whether you whether you get those suggestions
on board or not. Is that true? Totally?

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Well?

Speaker 17 (51:36):
No, you know what I argue is that the way
that the phrase suggestions applies that they and mandating these changes.
But if I thought what they attend, the subject line
of the email that we got, like email with our
speeches stays changes require, which means that like a USMP,
you won't be as willing to ignore their advice, may
have a weaker speech as they'll be reading this email
from m ID who's organized in the event saying changes
require to their speeches. So it's you know, not really

(51:58):
more of a suggestion and rather more of a mandate,
is what I would argue.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Although a mandate that you're ignoring, so not that much
of a mandate, is it.

Speaker 14 (52:06):
Well?

Speaker 17 (52:06):
You see, the thing is like I'm someone that stands
up for what I believe it and I kind of
came here because I believe and what I stand for,
and so speaking up and seeking out. So that's why
I wasn't even breach the standing order.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
The just breaches the.

Speaker 17 (52:17):
Guidance that we've been given by the Youth Parliament Team,
which kind of goes against excitations that we had. So, yeah,
I'll be sticking up and I'll be naming the current
ministers of the government who you know irrelevant to my speech.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (52:28):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
They also say that what they're trying to do is
help you guys out and just make sure that you
don't get yourselves into trouble because you're not covered by
parliamentary privilege.

Speaker 17 (52:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (52:37):
So we've had a whole.

Speaker 17 (52:38):
Lot of redic Like, I do appreciate that they are
looking out for us, because you know, there is no
like legal coverage we have when we're sitting in the House.
There's been a lot of what I would call kind
of fear mongering by the Project team as well. We've
been told that we can be such a defamation, but
under the Defamation Act of nineteen ninety two, to be
the sammatory, a statement must be published, which it will

(52:58):
be by speaking publicly in news parliaments. I must identify
the person the sames and it must be the stammatory,
meaning that it harms the person's reputation.

Speaker 16 (53:05):
But the thing is.

Speaker 17 (53:06):
Here is that it also kind of goes against like
the Bill of Rights Act and Section fourteen where it
talks about the freedom of expression which kind of guarantees
everybody the rights freedom of expression which includes the freedom
of secret sive in part information and opinions in any
kind of form. So it's a bit of both sides here.
But like what we're saying, you know, we're here to
hold the government to account.

Speaker 15 (53:26):
And I guess it's kind of a.

Speaker 17 (53:28):
Dangerous president for youth engagement where youth force is kind
of managed in this space rather than it being valued,
you know.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Nate, thank you, good luck tomorrow night. Wilbourne, UCMP for
Damian O'Connor. Twenty away from.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Six The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find you.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Are one of a kind huddle. We've got Stuart Ash,
former Labor Party minister, and Thomas Scrimger of the Maximu Institute.

Speaker 18 (53:50):
Highlights here about here.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Now Stu, you being a former police minister, can answer
this for me. This is read the shoplifting on the
spot finds. Can police actually and them out before determining
guilt through a court.

Speaker 19 (54:02):
Yeah, sure they can. Yeah, I mean this is a
major problem. When I was Minister of Police but also
Minister of Small business, this is a this is a
real problem. Costs retailers literally hundreds of millions of dollars
a year in this and they can get away with
scott free because there was no fines. Cops realize that
there's no point in horn in front of the court
because the cost are doing that was massively disproportionate to

(54:23):
the amount that they'd stolen. So really there was there
was no there was no solution. So I'm a big
fan of I do see the downside. The downside is
that these people who really won't be able to afford
the fifty bucks or whatever or five hundred dollars, well,
then just just owing a whole lot of money to
the point where they probably will ened up.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Some of them have got lots of money and still shoplift. Alah,
Golra's got garriment. But so they can afford it. But
I still am not sure because surely if you're standing
there the cop says to you, can you shoplifted, here's
a five hundred dollar fine. You could go No, I didn't,
And then they can't give up to you because you
are denying.

Speaker 19 (54:59):
Guilt most most of the time, it's reasonably obvious if
you do so, you know.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Still reason unless you accept, you can't be fined, right, Yeah,
well look, very obvious workaround.

Speaker 19 (55:11):
Yeah, the cops will sort this out. There's no doubt
about this. But what it does do is it seems
a very clear signal and a really important signal there
is a society in our communities we will not tolerate
people who go.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
And a signal. I need it to work as well, Thomas,
can you tell me what you think. I'm not convinced, Heather.

Speaker 20 (55:29):
I think you're onto something with enforceability questions. I mean,
I like the idea that finds a process quicker as
opposed to dragging people through the courts for shoplifting, which
just takes too long to be a proper deterrent. But
we know already the cops are struggling to enforce a
bunch of things. Just last week we were reading in
the news about trespass notices for women who have been

(55:49):
victims of domestic violence, and I think the phrase was
not worth the paper they're written on. And if cops
can't enforce trespass notices against specific individuals who are already
being identified. I'm not sure how much this will actually
be able to be imposed upon people. Even though it's
a nice idea. It has this kind of proportionality. A
fine of five hundred bucks for you know, shoplifting up

(56:09):
to five hundred bucks, that's neat. But I'm a bit
of a skeptic about how much of a difference it
will make.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Yeah, Sot, somebody's text it and said, it's like a
speeding ticket, right, You get the speeding ticket, and then
it's presume the onus is on you to disprove that
you should pay the speeding ticket. Would it work like
that or would it be the other way around, where
the owners is on the cop to prove to get
you to accept guilt.

Speaker 19 (56:31):
Look, the bottom line, Heather is cops prioritize jobs as
they come through, and shoplifting will be the least priority.
You can imagine. But what we are seeing, and certainly
in Napier, we've sing a lot more men and women
in blue sort of wandering the streets, keeping people safe
and being seen. I hope it does work. I don't
know if it'll be a deterrent but I hope it

(56:52):
does work. But and you know, you may call it
virtue signaling, or some people may call it virtual virtue signaling.
I don't have a problem with that, because you know,
the problem is shoplisting is costing US hundreds of millions
of dollars. At least someone is looking to do something
about it. The cops will determine the best way to
enforce it, so let's leave it up to them.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Now, what do you think, Thomas about funding we Goovy?
Should we do it publicly?

Speaker 20 (57:15):
Well, I'm not really convinced we should be doing it publicly.
I mean, it's a bit of a shortcut drug, but
I'm sure it helps some people. But the bigger question
is why is this trial by media? The National Party
in the last election campaign, we're talking about we are
going to fund thirteen cancer drugs and just overriding Farmac's processes.
And if you're a wegov kind of shadowy lobbyist, do

(57:36):
you want a trial by media to pressure a government
or a government agency to fund a thing? My thinking is,
why are we even talking about it? Let the analysts
figure it out.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Yeah, what do you reconsume?

Speaker 19 (57:47):
Well, here the you know, you and I are the
wrong people talk about it right because we spend hours
in the gym most days and we eat healthily and you.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Don't, as mate, you still have what I would time
are you?

Speaker 16 (57:58):
Of course?

Speaker 19 (57:58):
Well, you know you've got to fitting healthy at our age,
at my age. The bottom line is is I think
if you've got a medical problem that means that obesity
is an outcome, then yea, it probably should be a
prescription and it probably should be funded. If you're just
a fat bastards eaten too many pies and a lot
of chips and drunk too much coke, then the evidence

(58:20):
shows if you're on this drug at suppresses hunger. Once
you get off it, then you're back to your core weight,
which is your heaviest weight. So you've got to be
on this droke for life. You know, I am a
little bit you know, I'm probably not in the majority here,
but I'm a little bit about personal responsibility. Ye Having
said that, it's a tricky one because you know, one
in three adults in New Zealand a class is obese.
The cost of the health system of treating diabetes and

(58:44):
other health related diseases is massive, it really is.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Now, STU, do you reckon because you know, if you're
doing the weights, you really need those muscles to pop right.
You need to shread for it. Would you give yourself
a little gov just just to get that looking roule tight?

Speaker 19 (59:00):
No way, I would just eat least carves more protein
than work a little bit harder.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
I love it. Personal responsibility or take a break card
it too.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeast International Realty achieve extraordinary
results with unparallel reach.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Check with the huddle. We've got Thomas skrimj and Stewart Nash. Thomas,
what do you make of ACT publicly confirming that that
had this fighting cabinet with National about removing that treaty
principles from the legislation.

Speaker 20 (59:25):
Well, obviously it's a bit of a bit of trouble
for National because their coalition partners on a range of
issues are getting to I guess determine what the storyline
is to make a bit of noise. Act a vocal
about this and National really just don't want to talk
about it. But I think, you know, we don't want
to let ACT be the ones who just say on
education is just about academic excellence. You know, there are

(59:48):
other things that matter. We have an education system that
is about creating citizens and so you know the Treaty
of White Tonguey stories of nationhood and citizenship matter as well.
So national need to be confident. It's how a different
story that isn't the old system that Labor had in
place and that Stuart was in government for or acts
noise making as well. So the national need to be

(01:00:09):
bolder about it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
When the trouble that National has got there is that
every time they do somethingherey where they try to kind
of you know, pull a quick one on us, do
you they just get busted by act, don't they?

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:00:20):
No, No, I agree. I have a real problem with this.
First and foremost, if this was so important to David Seymour,
it should have been the coalition agreement and it wasn't. Secondly,
he is bound by cabinet responsibility. He has agreed to
disagree clause so he can come out and say I
don't agree with the cabinet decision, which is a big
call to make. But he has that card up asleep,

(01:00:41):
which he didn't use. And I heard the Ministry of
Education in the view to Mike Coskin about this, and
I completely agree with her, there is a wider review
at the moment of treaty clauses in all legislation. The
Treaty of Waitangi clause is throughout the Education Act. If
you just take it out in one section, then that
leads to a whole lot more trouble than just leaving

(01:01:02):
it in and waiting for the wider review. I think
David has being very well well. If you're going to
take it out of the Education Act at a one clause,
you take it out of the whole Act. But as
as Erica Stanford said, there is a wider review going
on by you know, give.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
It at on this though, Stue, because you're going to
I mean, if you're going to take it out of it,
just take it out of the bit that you're working
on at the moment. You don't need it to take
it out right, And then then when Goldie goes through
and reviews everything, he can take all the bits out.
There's no point though, leaving it there for him to find.
If you're going to take it out anyway, the reason
that you leave it there is because you're not planning
to take it out. You're planning to rewrite it.

Speaker 19 (01:01:38):
No, No, that's not true. So my understanding is Erica
has actually taken it out of a primary objective and
put it into the second objective. What she has said
is the primary objective his educational attainment, and we all
agree on that. But as mentioned, David is breaking cabinet
confidence and if it was so important to him, why
didn't he put this in the coalition agreement. This is
David playing politics and I think it's I think it's

(01:01:59):
a little bit mediocre.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Okay, are you going to miss, Thomas the Jeffers?

Speaker 20 (01:02:05):
Well, I wanted to say that I am going to
miss the Jeffers, that I'm missing this treasured treat, but
I can't remember the last time I actually bought one,
so probably a bit of a hypocritical thing to say.
I mean, I think if they come back with a
splash in the near future, you know, I might then
be sucked into buying one when they come back from
the dead. But honestly, they're not a regular habit for me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Fly by Night it was just such an admission of
exactly how we behave there. Thomas ste of course you
wouldn't never let a thing like this cross your lips.

Speaker 19 (01:02:34):
Well, that's why you go, that's why you go to
the gym here so you can have the odd treat.
But I'm a hard jubes man. Truth, men, I can't
remember the last time I had a Jeffer Jeffersin's. On
the other hand, now that is the top biscuit out there,
but jeffers scene, I'm afraid that over in any day
every day.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Oh that's bold. Okay, guys, thank you very much, appreciate that.
Stuart Nash and Thomas Scrimger a huddle this evening eight
away from.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Here the Stewart Nash taking it out on actors, very
on message for New Zealand First, which thank you for
pointing it out. We have to be on guard with
ste now every time he comes on here, he's doing
New Zealand First's work for them. So it's exactly right.
The two coalition partners fire shots at each other, try
they try to. They're basically like two children vying to
be daddy's favorite, do you know what I mean? So anyway,

(01:03:29):
thank you, thank you for pointing that out. Hither, I
spent thirty eight years in traffic enforcement. When I first
joined up, the maximum fine for drink driving was two
and a half thousand dollars. The max now was six
and a half thousand dollars, but I have never seen
a fine exceed eighteen hundred dollars. These scrots will keep
on offending. This is with the shoplifting, will rack up
bigger amounts in the fines, which will ultimately be remitted. John,
thank you. We can all see the fines are going

(01:03:51):
to go nowhere. It's a load of nonsense. Makes us
feel good, but it's actually not going to work. Hey,
Thoughts and prayers to Charles. Charles is just Dick missioned
the train, the Royal Train, because what they're trying to
do is they're trying to cut costs. Everybody's got the
cost of living biting, so they're getting rid of the train.
They're trying to cut costs and modernize the monarchy. They

(01:04:11):
have had the train in the Royal family since eighteen forty,
and it's probably not exactly the same train, but they've
had a Royal train since eighteen forty. They are instead
going to when they sell it by two new more
fuel efficient helicopters, which tells you how expensive a train is. Ey, Like,
if you can get two choppers for the price of
one train, that train is expensive. It's always a sad

(01:04:33):
day when a family has to sell its train.

Speaker 21 (01:04:35):
When you're cutting back on the cost of living, so
you buy two helicopters as you're way of cutting back
on the cost of living.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
I mean it's basically too hard times and understand it though.
It's like selling the Bentley and buying two scooters. That's
the same.

Speaker 18 (01:04:47):
Yeah, Yeah, you're right, Yeah, exactly the same.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Yeah, And it's always a sad day when a family
has to sell it's Bentley. It's fascinating, by the way,
it's four minutes away from Sex It's fascinating how other
people see us say so, I was reading The Guardian today.
Guardian has written a piece about expad Americans living in
New Zealand, given that so many of them are moving
here to escape Donald Trump. And so the Guardian asked
these expad Americans what do you think of living in

(01:05:10):
New Zealand? And they said they love the free healthcare.
Having free health care to them has liberated them. They
don't have to make choices about which job they take
based on what healthcare package is available to they can
take whatever job they want because they will always have
free healthcare. So they love the free healthcare. They love
the natural beauty of New Zealand. They love all of
the annual leave that we've got well acause you've got

(01:05:31):
a quite sweet.

Speaker 16 (01:05:31):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Don't forget that we have got it quite sweet compared
to the rest of the world when it comes to
all of your hollybobs, and also the four weeks that
you get. But what they don't like is how isolated
they are in New Zealand because it takes forever to
get anywhere. They find it really hard to make friends
because we are weirdly unfriendly to them and everybody they
reckon our house as are cold. They notice that you
get your jobs more easily based on who you know

(01:05:54):
than what you know. They say good dill pickles are
very hard to come by, and they say, if you
think you'll going to get rich in New Zealand, forget it.
That ain't gonna happen. So no train for you if
you move to New Zealand. How No one though how
about this. No one regretted their choice to move to
New Zealand. None had any pressing desire to return to

(01:06:14):
the US.

Speaker 10 (01:06:15):
How about that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
You're welcome, right, We're going to talk to Winnie actually
on the subject of trains man who loves trains when
he peers with us next on whether he would partially
privatize the old fairies. News Talks EB.

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Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Evening coming up in the next hour. Have you heard
about the nurse who went to India got herself a
new hip at the quarter of what you a quarter
of the price that you'd pay here. We're going to
talk to her after half past. Jamie McKay's with us
shortly in to Brady out of the UK as well.
At seven past six. Now the debate over whether we
should partially privatize the cockstraight Fairies has been sparked again.
It turns out the government told the company that's buying

(01:07:10):
our new fairies for us to consider it as an option.
Winston Peters is the Minister for railing with us. Now, Hi, Winston, Hello,
are you considering it?

Speaker 22 (01:07:19):
Look, we just put out all of the options, and
in terms of considering it, the answer is no, we're not.
We're just looking at and making sure that people knew
what all the options were before we made a long
term decision.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Have you made that long term decision? Then it's ruled out,
is it?

Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:07:35):
Look, if you remember what happened the last time it
was privatized, the shares and the privatization went beyond nine dollars.
When it collapsed, it was under twenty dollars, under thirty
cents per share. It was a massive sellout, a massive loss,
and we've rebuilt the whole thing. We're not about to
make the same mistake a second time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Why did it go wrong last time?

Speaker 22 (01:08:00):
Long last time? Because we had a company making itself
the financial advisors in October of nineteen ninety two. The
next year, they jumped across the table and said, hello,
we're the buyer with Wisconsin Central Railroad. You know that
was it was fair riush white and the rest is history.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Well, could we, not, having learned the lessons of that,
do it again properly?

Speaker 22 (01:08:23):
We'll do what again? Properly?

Speaker 18 (01:08:24):
What clefts the whole investment on partially partially privatized? Why
so that it runs more and actually a bigger part,
so that it runs.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
More efficiently and actually works. I mean, because if you
look at the public version of the Cookstrait fairies, they
are really bad. You look at the private version being Bluebridge,
it's actually working quite well.

Speaker 22 (01:08:45):
Oh, you don't understand that the Brewbridge is depended upon
the other service delivered by Qrailer. If q Well wasn't there,
the whole thing would be massively inadequate, massively insufficient.

Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
I mean.

Speaker 22 (01:08:59):
This is the decision that was made decades ago by
some very wise politicians when we were actually number two
in the world, because we were smart about our investments.
And we're going back to being smart about our investments
again now. The key thing is to get the right managers.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
In Okay, So have you got any updates for us
on how you go and buying those new fairies.

Speaker 22 (01:09:22):
Well, look me down to the bidding process. There's six
interested tenderers. They will be decided in the fullness of
time and very very soon, and then we will be
able to get on with the wolves which are required
for them, the buildings required for them and the yards
required for them. We are going to save in the
long run billions of dollars from the New Zealand taxpayer's account,

(01:09:45):
which the IREX program was sending us to do. The
IREX program had less than twenty percent for the fairies
and the rest was all infrastructure and heating, as Treasury said,
passed four billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Listen just quickly once they're on this business with the
Treaty principles in the education law, and Erica Stanford has
been getting a fair bit of heat lately. Do you
think that that treaty principle in there is going to
be removed or is it going to be rewritten?

Speaker 22 (01:10:12):
Well, look, the full review of where treaty clauses belong
or don't belong is being done right now, and we
are saying that when that happens and we've done the
full review, then if a bill has well allegation has
this in it that is not required to be in it,
it'll be taken out. If it's not justified, it will
not be there because what the moment, you've got everybody

(01:10:34):
shoving it in there, and the whole thing is paralyzing
organizations right around this country.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Okay, And if it is justified, it will be rewritten.
To be quite specific, But in what cases would it
be justified to remain in the legislation.

Speaker 22 (01:10:46):
Well, we'll lay them all out before you, but it's
part of our collegi agreement. We decided when these talks,
we're going to fix this once and for all because
you had a disaster going on where everybody was interping
the principles of the featy of white toy and as
God pointed out way back one hundred years ago, they
do not have principles.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Yeah, and do you think, having looked, because I imagine
you will have seen this by now what's gone on
in the education in this piece of legislation, do you
think that is necessary or will it be removed?

Speaker 22 (01:11:13):
Well, the reality is that they're hammering poor Erica Stanford,
when in fact, the legislation she's talking about she inherited.

Speaker 18 (01:11:22):
And we know that we're across people.

Speaker 22 (01:11:27):
I hope people do know that. And so some of
these when some of these absolutis jump in their argument,
they don't really understand what a huge difficulty we're dealing
with because you've had government up, the government tacking on
things without any understanding.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Answering my question. And I'm starting to feel like you're
trying to avoid it.

Speaker 22 (01:11:45):
I'm not avoided.

Speaker 18 (01:11:46):
I'm the one that's do you think it should be
there or not?

Speaker 22 (01:11:51):
Well, my personal opinion is in most cases education it
should not be in there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Top all right, so most likely out How long is
this review going to take their pool goals?

Speaker 9 (01:12:00):
Is doing?

Speaker 22 (01:12:00):
Do you think, well, he's not doing We're all doing it.
And it's over the next few weeks and months. It's
very close to finality, and we'll let you know when
we've done the work.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
So will you have all of the treaty principles in
all of the legislation reviewed in the next few months.

Speaker 22 (01:12:17):
We're reviewing it as we speak.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Yes, you will live it all done by the end
of this year.

Speaker 22 (01:12:23):
Our proposal is to ensure that we change the law
befitting what this country entered into at the Treaty of
White and Sex of Februar eighty and forty and something
that's and not.

Speaker 18 (01:12:32):
Something made here, what do you say, let.

Speaker 22 (01:12:36):
Me tell you, and not something constructed by the sociology
department of the university, but no recognition of history itself
and the facts.

Speaker 18 (01:12:42):
Okay, do you think by the end of the year,
quite possibly?

Speaker 5 (01:12:46):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Okay, cool, Hey, thank you, Winston, appreciate it. Winston Peter's
Minister for Ral. So there you go. They're going through
all of the legislation looking at all. Poor of Paul
Goldsmith who's been announcing all the law he's busy doing
all the law and order stuff lately. When he's finished
with he's going to have to look at all of
the Treaty of a Treaty of White thing and principles
in all of the legislation which they're doing, and then
they're going to have make decisions and apparently most most

(01:13:08):
likely by the end of the YA. I'm very excited
to see that. Good news for you. Businesses are still
feeling quite optimistic that we have turned the corner on
this economic stuff, even though they are doing it tough.
So this is according to the latest quarterly Business Opinion
survey from the nz Ateer. They found activity is still
quite weak across a lot of sectors in the economy.

(01:13:28):
Our net twenty three percent of firms have have reported
a decline in activity, just quite a lot, but they're
still hopeful and next twenty seven percent of firms expect
general economic conditions to improve the problem with this, I'm
happy yay. Let's just accept that problem here though. It's
got an o CR decision next week, and this kind

(01:13:49):
of data means we're probably not going to get another cut,
We're going to get a pause, So brace yourself with that.
Fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
It's the Heather Duper Clan Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Way Warehouse Group Not that Flash just revised its full
year earnings guidance tougher than expected final quarter, now looking
at possibly five million dollar profit for the year, maybe
five million dollar loss. Same problem as Katmandu KMD. Same problem.
Whether it's two warm, people aren't buying the jackets and stuff.
Seventeen passis Jamie McKay, hosts of the Countries with us
Alo Jamie.

Speaker 14 (01:14:24):
Hello, Heather. I guess we can blame climate change for
that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
Probably there's a kind of climate change I'm into. I
don't know about you, but I quite like rolling around
without a jacket on.

Speaker 14 (01:14:33):
What about you? Well? As a landowner down in Southland,
I'm already planning my keyw fruit orchard.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Are you okay? Fantastic? I can't wait to try it
grow the red stuff now because I haven't. I haven't
got my hands on that yet. Now, talk to me
about this GDT auction tonight. What are we expecting?

Speaker 14 (01:14:49):
Well, look, it's been down the last couple of actions,
and futures is suggesting whole milk powder could be down
by four percent. My man that I go to Mike
mcintyret and it's picking a less drastic two percent.

Speaker 5 (01:15:03):
He said.

Speaker 14 (01:15:04):
Watch out for butter though, yellow gold as it's known
these days. They've loaded up the platform with extra volume.
So the question as well price as fall as a
results supply and demand or is there just an insatiable
demand for butter. Interestingly, the futures for the milk price
twenty five twenty six, the season we've just moved into,

(01:15:24):
are still at a very healthy nine to seventy five.
But I look at Open Country Dairy, the second biggest
process of behind Fonterra. They put a fixed price out
on the market a month or so ago at nine
point fifty. They came out again last week at nine
thirty five. So I'm not saying the golden days are over,
far from it, but maybe ten dollars might be just

(01:15:47):
confined to this season. I hope I'm wrong on that one,
because we need ten dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
For everything absolutely. Now, what's going wrong with the meat plants.

Speaker 14 (01:15:56):
Well, the part of their problem is the farmers, as
bizarre as it seems, are getting ten dollars, are up
to ten dollars for their lamb per kilogram at the moment,
nudging nine dollars for the beef. Last time I had
a look, and we've just got less of these animals
running around, partly and a big part due I guessed,
carbon farming and land use change. So what we're seeing

(01:16:20):
is these meat companies are competing really hard to get
the last of this season stock, and they're having to
pay perhaps more than they want to they're having In
the case of Silverfern Farms, I was at the Primary
industry summit last week. I heard Silverfern Farm's chief executive,
Dan Bolton, they're the biggest meat company in the country,
saying they've had to lay off three thousand seasonal workers

(01:16:44):
who are normally going flat out at this time of
the year on the col kill. Try saying that quickly
three times in a row, you know. And the problem
being we've had real issues in the meat industry in
recent years attracting good quality workers because there hasn't been
the surety of employment. So this is not happening at all. Look,

(01:17:07):
the farmers are enjoying a purple patch, but the meat
companies aren't. Beef curled down four percent and twenty twenty
four lamb kill down nine percent, so it's sort of
it's diminishing returns, really, and I just hope it's not
last man standing in the red meat industry when it
comes to livestock supply.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
So, Jamie, apparently we're past peak tractor, right. This used
to be the bellweather. We'd look at how many tractor
sales there were, and then we can determine how the
rural economy was doing. But nowadays we don't buy that
many tractors. Well, we don't buy as many tractors can
buying other stuff. But what are we buying?

Speaker 14 (01:17:40):
I thought that this is a quirky little story from
your mate Brad Olson from informature. It's he did some
really interesting numbers on peak tractor. We've heard about peak
cow and all that sort of stuff. So apparently we're
just not buying as many tractors as we used to,
or not having as many tractors owned by farmers as
we used to we reach peak tractor back in twenty

(01:18:02):
twenty two. We're down about five percent since then. And
you know this is due once again to land use change,
I guess, changing the way farmers do business. Increasingly, we're
seeing a lot of farm operations using contractors. They might
own one tractor to do the basic stuff on their farm,
but when it comes to the big jobs, they'll get

(01:18:23):
a contractor in. Also, the other thing with tractors over
the years is they've got bigger, they've got more efficient.
They can't bigger gear behind them. They do the job
twice as quick as they used to do in the
good old days. So you know, bigger tractors are working
more efficiently, covering more land equals less tractors needed. So ye,

(01:18:44):
peak tractor it has been and gone. We may never
get there again.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Interesting stuff. JERMI, thanks very much, appreciate it. Jemmy mchae,
Host of the Country. By the way, speaking of the
price of things that come out of the good parts
of this country, which is the land, the price of butter,
human New Zealand. Listen, if you sell butter, get your
act together, consumer New Zealand is watching you. Consumer New
Zealand not very happy because they have a photograph of

(01:19:10):
an Auckland supermarket selling butter for eight dollars twenty nine.
It's one of those little five hundred grand PAMs ones
eighteen Did I say eight dollars?

Speaker 14 (01:19:20):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
I wish eighteen dollars twenty nine in your dreams either
eighteen dollars twenty nine for those five hundred Don't tell,
don't tell. Nicola Nichola was on the show yesterday all
raving about the price of butter. If she finds out
about this, she's gonna just flip a widget. Who sells
the PAMs? New World? New World sells the PAMs? What
about their little other mate, Pack and Save? Do they

(01:19:41):
sell the PAMs?

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
Don't know?

Speaker 14 (01:19:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Do you not go to Pack and Save anymore?

Speaker 16 (01:19:45):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
The German doesn't go. The German got a pay rise.
She goes to New World. Now she does not go
to Pack and Save. I don't know either, because I
go to Woolworth's. But anyway, if you have look, I mean,
this is this is the level it's reached. Now, if
you have got eighteen dollars twenty nine or thereabouts of
you butter, you want to take a photograph, you want
to send it to Consumer New Zealand, they'll make you
famous for that. Six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Whether it's macro microbe or just playing economics. It's Small
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mass
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Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
The use talks that'd me Heather. The new shoplifting fines
law is a joke. This is an expert. Listen to.

Speaker 19 (01:20:25):
This is a joke.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
People whose shoplift do not pay fines. And when they
finally accumulate enough offending to get a sentence, there fines
fifteen thousand dollars whatever the fines will get remitted. That's
from a practicing criminal barristers thee yougo, you heard it
from somebody who actually deals with this. Hey, somebody has
confirmed to me. Yes, the problem with the jaffers was
they were nice and then they put the palm oil
in it, and that is what ruined it. And that

(01:20:47):
is why we don't buy them anymore. So if you
want to do cheepy cheapy chocolate, listen, we were this
is the nation of whittakers. Don't give us cheepy cheapy
chocolate and think that we're gonna like it because we've
got a taste for the good stuff, now, haven't we.
So that unfortunately probably sealed the deal for the Jaffers.
Six twenty six. I'll give you across the latest show's nest.

(01:21:08):
Here is your chance of buying a piece of history.
If you're into, you know, things like the Oasis. Here
is a company in the UK called prop Store. It's
going to auction off some stuff tomorrow, some of the
biggest names of music history. Noel Gallagher's handwritten lyrics for
Wonder Wall estimated to fetch between maybe four thousand to
eight thousand pounds. If you want something from Oasis, but

(01:21:28):
you want to be a bit more usable, you can
get Noel's old guitar. It's a Fender Acousta Sonic jazz
Master guitar. He's autographed it maybe around ten thousand pounds.
There's a note autograph from Tupac as well, that's likely
to fetch about eight thousand pounds. You can also if
you want to get yourself four original unused tickets to
the nineteen sixty nine Woodstock Festival. Original price twenty four bucks.

(01:21:52):
Now probably four thousand pounds does beg the question if
in nineteen sixty nine, at the height of the summer
of in the dodgy year sixty nine, you had four
tickets to Woodstock, why did you not use those four
tickets and go to Woodstock? How weird is that that
you've still got the four tickets? But anyway, and is

(01:22:12):
it worth it? Like, let's be honest about it. Can
you get four thousand pounds for that?

Speaker 17 (01:22:16):
Was it worth it?

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Probably not? That's a that's a long time to hold
onto those tickets for that little payoff. A headlines next,
and then we're going to talk to that nurse that
got the hip replacement in India. NEWSTALKSB.

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Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Hender Brady is a bus and ten minutes time he
cannot handle them. He's very upset about it and wants
to discuss it. So let's discuss it with him, because
I suppose we're actually it's so cold here at the moment,
We're doing okay here that by the way, the real
summer of Love was nineteen sixty seven. It was not
nineteen sixty nine. Please acknowledge your minor error. It's important
to some of us old farts. Thank you yours, Ken. Sorry, Ken,

(01:23:20):
I acknowledge my error. And while I'm on the subject,
and I apologize, and while I'm on the subject of
acknowledging my errors, I've also I've made a mistake also
by saying it was the Pam's butter that was eighteen
dollars and twenty nine cents or whatever. It was actually
not that was the Pam's butter was underneath. It was
the one at the top. It was the mainland soft
spreadable thing in the tub, which goes some way to

(01:23:41):
explaining why you were paying eighteen dollars blah blah for it,
because you know you're not gonna pay that much for
a PAMs. But if you're going for the semi soft
spreadable stuff, well, now you're getting a bit bougie, aren't you.
So maybe we can sort of go, well, you know,
if you want to pay for something that's a bit
bougie and spreadable, then it's on you. If you're paying
eight dollars, and I just think you should. I only

(01:24:02):
feel sorry for people who are having to get it
out of the fridge, sort of cut chunks out of it,
or even given that it's winter, just take it off
the shelf and cut chunks out of it. Then I'm
sorry for you. You going for the flash stuff. I
don't feel sorry for you. Twenty three away from seven?
What about this? A Kiwi nurse needed a double hip replacement.
If she'd got it in New Zealand privately, it would
have cost her eighty thousand dollars. So instead, what she

(01:24:23):
did is she flew to India and it cost her
twenty thousand dollars plus flights, plus accommodation, and she says
it was world class. The nurse is Claire Olson, who's.

Speaker 14 (01:24:31):
With us now?

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
I Claire, Hello? Would you recommend it?

Speaker 23 (01:24:36):
I absolutely would. Why I started my journey in January
I went to my doctor. I was one hundred and
twenty two kilos and I could barely walk because I
needed hit replacements, and he said there was nothing to
he could do for me, so I had to do
something traumatic. I ended up going to Tijuana and had

(01:24:59):
bariatrics and I really enjoyed the team environment of that,
and that was part of my plan to get my
health back then when I got home, I've lost twenty
five carels and I started shopping around for hip replacements.
I came up with a with India anyway, Mumbai had

(01:25:22):
been there fifteen years ago and they had the robotic
hip replacement. So I was very keen on that because
I'd had two knees done and I went through a
broker up there, and that's how I ended up at
the hospital and was doctor Khan.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
A broker like as in somebody who organized the whole
thing for you. Yes, oh fantastic, and so what I mean,
you know, being a nurse, you know what, God health
care looks like. This was great healthcare, was it?

Speaker 23 (01:25:51):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:25:51):
It was?

Speaker 23 (01:25:52):
And that is why I've had to say, really we
are a bit of a third world country. The healthcare
up there was was that they just felt not I
couldn't fault it. I'm a little bit of a person
that might faults.

Speaker 14 (01:26:07):
But no.

Speaker 23 (01:26:09):
The cleanliness, the friendliness everything was was was just wonderful.
In fact, we had so many visitors because I had
a support person with me, we had so many visitors.
We felt like we should set up champagne and nibbles.
Oh we had well. George George from the kitchen who

(01:26:31):
came up every day to make sure we had a
choice of food that was suitable for us. Vishner from
the broker. We had lots of people just popping in.
The nurses were lovely and friendly. Almost everybody who spoke
spoke English, but we had the physio and the inturniss

(01:26:55):
and as they didn't speak English or that, we had
Google translate.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Yeah, okay, So what do you think is going wrong
with our healthcare system at the minute to make it
so cruddy.

Speaker 23 (01:27:09):
Well, I've been a nurse for forty years and I
would just say lack of investment, the leat of investment,
and then started to slide when they took im Look,
I'm an old nest. So they started to take training
out of hospitals and that was the downhill, in my opinion,
the downhill slide of it all, I don't believe.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
So okay, So this might be the future for people
with a bit of money is to go overseas and
get it done properly and and enjoy a nice stay
in a grand hotel pretty much.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
And I would.

Speaker 23 (01:27:43):
So we're looking at taking half a dozen people are
and mentoring them through the process and changing the course
of their lives.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
So are you getting involved now as a business, Yes, yeah, yes,
well why.

Speaker 23 (01:28:02):
Not the cost of it and the cost of it
in comparison, I couldn't come up with eighty thousand stee
here for New Zealand. I'm sorry, yeah, but I could
come up with the twenty Sauders.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Brilliant stuff. Claire, thanks for talking us through it. I
appreciate and best of luck with your recovery. That's Claire Olson,
nurse who had hip surgery in India's now setting up
a business to help you do the same thing if
you want it. Nineteen Away from seven Ever du for
c Allen Top twenty shows that have been streamed. I'm
a fan of TV and Z plus. I'm just going
to tell you this at the outset of think great
great content and you don't have to sit through too

(01:28:33):
many bad ads for it. You don't have to pay
anything for it. So I was quite interested when I
said this. They put out the top twenty stream shows.
No surprise to anyone. Well no, maybe I'm a little
bit surprised. Actually number one stream show is the news
surprised by it? Because I've said this before. I'm the
only person in this team who watches the evening news?

Speaker 8 (01:28:53):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
The rest of them don't watch it. They don't bother anymore.
They don't get nothing out of it. So I'm surprised
that there are that many of us in the country
still to put it at number one. Who would go
and watch it after the fact, watch it back. That's
how much we want to wad it. It doesn't say
how much you're watching of the news, and come off it.
You're not watching the whole news. No one needs to
get to the third break on a Saturday. AA have
you seen what's on the third break on a Saturday?

Speaker 14 (01:29:14):
Lord?

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
It's like weird stories about like literally cats up trees.
Not literally, is it. It's not actually literally, but it's
that kind of quality of thing, and you're just sitting there.
And in fact, that's often in the first break. What
am I doing? Anyway? Number one News? It's six Well
done from Well done You News. Number two, the Substance,
Number three, the Rookie. Number four, Rogue Heroes. Now that

(01:29:37):
is a good show and I highly recommend Rogue Heroes.
Bit of fun in that Number five Bluey. This is
TV and z's secret weapon that they I think they
realize as their secret weapon. But they need to figure
out how to make us pay for it, right, because
this is a community service to parents giving us Bluey
for free. But there you go. Number five Bluey, Number
six New Zealand Cricket, number seven, Day of the Jackal

(01:29:59):
Excellent watch number eight Burger Rack or something, I don't
know what that is, Number nine, Protection number ten, Code
of Silence at number eleven comes in the infamous Shortland Street,
which is likely going to get the old number twelve
Travel Guides number three thirteen Love Island All Stars dues
on surprise that that country Calendar Hyendo Country Calend is
only coming in at number fourteen because back in the

(01:30:21):
day that was the business that really everybody sat down
to watch it, Townese and country folk alike. But now
it's only number fourteen. Number fifteen, Hardacres, number sixteen Off
the Grid with Colin and MNU, then the Crow Girl,
then at eighteen Lockerby a Search for Truth, which apparently
is amazing, beause's got Colin Firth in it. Who's a
bit of hot Babe? Number nineteen, Love Island UK, I mean, honestly, guys,

(01:30:41):
Love Island UK. Number twenty dope girls.

Speaker 5 (01:30:44):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
So actually I'm If it was the other way around
and dope Girls was number one, I'd probably be embarrassed.
But we are doing well as a country. If number
one is the News sixteen away from seven, if it's
to do with it, metas.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
ENVABE fourteen away from seven. Inde Brady are UK correspondents
with us Inda, Are you alive? Are you coping with
the weather, Heather.

Speaker 24 (01:31:17):
I've got the air con on full pelt here in
the office in the studio. I feel very content right now.
I've just got off the tube. It is going to
be a scorcher today, London possibly going to hit thirty
four celsius. That is nothing compared to Spain and Portugal.
They both had record breaking days yesterday. Hottest day in
Spanish history ever forty six celsius in the town of

(01:31:42):
Huelva down by the border with Portugal, and just over
the border a village in Portugal recorded forty six celsius
as well. So this what they're calling a heat dome
is all over mostly France, Spain and Portugal, but wildfires
in Turkey, France grid a lot of problems. But I
think an awful lot of people will wake up today

(01:32:04):
and think I'm going to work from home. I don't
want to be on public transport.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
No, too right? How long have you got this?

Speaker 24 (01:32:09):
With a fall the rest of the week. I think
there'll be a dip tomorrow. Certainly in the UK we're
dropping nine degrees tomorrow, so that's bearable. But in all honesty,
I just couldn't sleep upstairs last night with all the
windows open everything. I just ended up taking a pillow
and heading down to the sofa in the living room.
It was far more bearable downstairs. But we're not used

(01:32:30):
to this kind of heat. We're not built for it,
and nobody has aircon at home, so it's kind of Yeah,
it's a strange one.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
And are you going to go to the beach at
the weekend?

Speaker 24 (01:32:41):
That's possibly the last thing I would do in England
because everyone wakes up in this kind of temperatures, everyone
wakes up with the same idea and they all head
to the same beach as they go to Brighton, they
go to Bournemouth, they go to the South End and
the traffic. I had a Turkish friend say to me
last week, Oh, we're all off to the each tomorrow,
and I so well enjoy the cues. And then I

(01:33:03):
saw her Instagram store in the spent two and a
half hours trying to find a parking space. No, I think,
get get the umbrellas up in the garden and get
some cold beers out.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Yeah too right, drink your troubles away, now, do you reckon?
Kyostama speaking of troubles, is going to be able to
get the welfare reforms through Parliament?

Speaker 24 (01:33:18):
I think it's going to be really tight for a
guy who's Prime Minister on a landslide victory year ago
and has a working majority of one hundred and sixty
five seats in the House of Commons. It comes to
something that he will be calling MPs today, begging, pleading, cajoling,
offering anything to get people to vote in line with
the government. He wants this reform welfare reform bill over

(01:33:42):
the line tonight. It's touch and go. He's got as
many as fifty rebels in his camp and if that
number ticks up, he's really going to struggle because obviously
the Conservatives, the opposition everyone else they'll vote against it.
But it just goes to show you where Starmer is
that he can't get his own new installed MPs. It's
one year of Starmer this week, by the way, and

(01:34:04):
that's where he's at.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
So is it possible that part of the problem is
that many of these in peace have been their year
and never met them in.

Speaker 24 (01:34:13):
Yeah, he doesn't do the tea rooms. That's the gossip
by here from inside Parliament that you know, Teresa May
would make a point of being down there. I'm just
picking her, you know, just a random name. She would
be in the tea rooms. She would be socializing and
chatting and look, to be fair to Starmer, there's a
lot going on in the world, as we've been covering
the last few months. So his people will say that

(01:34:35):
he has been stitching back relations with Europe, traveling to Ukraine,
being in France, going to the United States, making friends
with Trump, dealing with Israel and Iran. He can't be
having cups of tea with people who are perhaps a
bit needy, that's what his people would say.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Yeah. Now, in the very quickly said died. You see
the back of the train, the.

Speaker 24 (01:34:57):
Royal train is going to be no more after an
a look, it's a cost saving exercise. It made one
journey last year and that costs the taxpayer eighty eight
thousand dollars. So I think Charles is doing the right thing.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Yeah, probably in to look after yourself and stay cool
in this warm weather. That's end of Brady our UK correspondent.

Speaker 16 (01:35:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
I said, I was going to talk about the gin
and the business is doing well, so standby, let's do
that next ten away from.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Seven, it's the Heather Too per Se Alan Drive Full
Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk zby Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
Country Calendar is rating as low as it is because
it's the most woke crap now going around. That's from
a farmer, Mike, thank you very much. Hither we watch
Country Calendar live and nothing else, so that may be
part of the farmers are like clockwork, right, So it's
not altogether surprising to hear that farmers are watching the
old Country Calendar live. Maybe that explains why it's not
so streamed. But then but then again, when I was

(01:35:51):
back in the day, when I was working at TV
and Z, it was the townies who were holding up
the numbers. As well. And they love a stream, aren't
they love putting things in in their busy little traffic
traffic plagued lives. Anyway, Okay, here we go. Business is
doing well. There is a gin from a micro distillery
in Thames, Corimandel, that has been named the world's best

(01:36:13):
at the World Gin Awards in London this year. How
good is that? It's the coramandl Distilling Company won this
award the world's best matured gin. This is for there
and I will not pronounce this properly, but the Ewildian
Coramandel Manuka gin. It's got sugarcane alcohol with tongue and

(01:36:34):
vanilla guatta, Marlon cardamm, Madagascar pepper, several orange fresh ginger,
sixteen additional botanicals. It's distilled in microbatches. It's aged and
toasted Manukah wood coated with local medicinal grade Manuka honey.
It's a captivating experience, said the judges, Startling with the nose,

(01:36:55):
rich and smoky bacon and abundant juniper on the palet.
It revealed how much are you wanting to try this now?
It reveals a delightful balance of sweetness in a drive
that is complimented by pine flavors and hints of smoked wood.
This strong juniper character is well suited to the higher ABV,
which is alcohol by volume, making it a robust choice
for gin enthusiasts. The Coromandel the Column Coramandal Distilling Company

(01:37:17):
also won a gold medal for another drink gin, the
a Wildian Coramandal Dry Gin in the Best Classic Gin
category and Rifters of Aratown, which you will know if
you know your gin, won the World's Best Navy Gin
for its Royal gin. What makes a navy gin, you ask, Well,
I don't know a lot about gin. Gin's not actually
my go to. Don't know a lot about gin, but

(01:37:39):
I think the navy gin is basically the stuff that
kicks your ass because it's you know, if you're in
the Navy, you don't muck around with normal gins. You
just go glug glug for the really important ones. So
there you go. Well done to those guys, keep on
doing well, and long may we continue to make wonderful gin.
Everybody else wants to drink ants.

Speaker 21 (01:37:56):
Blame it on you by Jason L. Dean to play
us out tonight, Jason lde is going to be coming
to New Zealand. They're saying it's its first time headlining,
so he might have played some shows here before supporting
other people, but this is his first time headlining. He's
an absolute superstar of the country music world. He's going
to be playing next February at Spark Arena in Auckland
and the tickets are going on sale later this week.

(01:38:17):
The song is called Blame It On You.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
To familiar, doesn't it and a kind of like all
country music sounds the same kind of way, do you
know what I mean?

Speaker 21 (01:38:33):
It's I mean, I'm not a country of music expert
by the by austrict of the imagination, but it's very
much the mainstream pop side of Patry music. This will
be charting in Nashville ever.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
He's a heblets a song.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
Oh yeah, when you get that vibe well downe to heaven.
Because country music is very in vague at elements, So
maybe when you pull yourself at GIN you're gonna listen
to country music hither. This Gin is actually the most
spectacular gin here. You go, have a lovely evening, see
you tomorrow.

Speaker 14 (01:39:03):
Why you go?

Speaker 17 (01:39:05):
I can play man all.

Speaker 13 (01:39:07):
I wouldn't blame you if you didn't even masking gave
you a million reasons.

Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
Because I dote with me.

Speaker 15 (01:39:15):
Should have never let you go?

Speaker 14 (01:39:17):
You should have never watched it good.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
I could play that all the good tide for there.

Speaker 14 (01:39:22):
To take the playful way.

Speaker 7 (01:39:23):
Tell me good guides instead.

Speaker 18 (01:39:25):
Of missing you and miss it all good time.

Speaker 17 (01:39:29):
Should have I ever let you go?

Speaker 16 (01:39:31):
You should have never.

Speaker 10 (01:39:31):
Watched you go?

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
I could saying that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Yeah, I could drag around the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
I could say, yeah, I can track it around the truth, but.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
I can't play that way.

Speaker 16 (01:39:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
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