Full Show Podcast: 01 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Duplessy Ellen Drive with One New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
They'd be.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (00:19):
Today.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
Coming out, we've got the doctors on being called back
to the negotiating table over the strike, David Seymour on
the ministerial jobs that he wants to cut. And we're
going to speak to a respiratory physician on the groundbreaking
study that shows that actually, yes, faithing does cause chronic
lung disease.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
What a surprise, Heather Dupasicy Ellen.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Now I've done a bit of an exercise today, right.
I started reading the news this morning and I was
really quickly struck by how many opinion pieces and comments
of outrage there were over the government removing the voting
rights from prisoners. There was just by my account, two
full opinion pieces by academics, a newsletter that landed in
my inbox, a left wing blog post, outrage from labor,

(00:57):
and outrage from the Greens. So when I saw that,
I thought, there's quite a lot coming from these guys.
I'll just do a little It might be interesting to
compare this to how many opinion pieces and comments of
outrage there are about the four killings currently in the
news that have all been committed by people either previously
in jail or previously in mental health care. And if
you don't know what I'm talking about, it's the man
who has now murdered twice and been found in saying twice.

(01:21):
It's the two murders by Hilmrton mental health patients, and
it's the murder by the parole rapist in christ Church.
All of them have been in the news just in
the last few days. I didn't find one piece, not
one opinion piece by an academic about this, not one
comment of outrage from the Greens. And the only relevant
comment that I could find from Labor was the Labory
and p saying that it was inappropriate to comment on

(01:43):
it now. Doesn't that tell you a lot about where
we're putting our energy at the moment we are? It
would seem angsting more about protecting the right that a
prisoner has to vote, a right which by the way,
we just told yesterday on the show most prisoners don't
even want. But we are angsting ourselves over protecting them,
and we are more angsting for angsting more about protecting

(02:03):
that than we are about protecting the rights of innocent
people not to be hurt by high risk people who
we know are high risk. Now we should be interrogating
the agencies responsible here, We should be finding out what
went wrong, and we should be angsting over it so
it doesn't happen again. And I would venture that our
priorities are way out of whack if we are more
stressed in the news media about where the bad guys

(02:24):
can vote than where the authorities are keeping innocent people safe.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Ever, duplicy Allen text.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Numbers nine two nine to two standard text fees applied. Now,
the Commerce Commission, the Commas Commission, has said it will
not conduct a market study into domestic air travel. This
has of course been a topic of conversation a lot lately,
the price of air New Zealand tickets. There have been
calls for a study, and so doctor John Small, the
chair of the Commers Commission, has pinned in a pen
an opinion piece on this today and he's with us. Now,

(02:50):
Hey John, good John, So take it from your opinion
piece that basically the reasons that you're not going to intervene.
Is number one. It's expensive to fly a plane. Who
it's even more expensive to fly a plane on regional routes,
So nobody wants to compete. In number three in the
parts where it really matters, like the big the big
jet flights, they've got competition. Is that about right?

Speaker 6 (03:10):
That's a reasonable summary year. But also I think you know,
at the moment competition on the main trunk lines is
a bit hand put by by the fact that their
intet's got a bunch of planes that are out of service.
But yeah, generally speaking, that's right. It's very expensive to
fly to fly regional routes that are quite sure and
don't have a lot of demand on them.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Okay, So the allegation that's been laid at the feet
of Air New Zealand at the moment is basically that
it's jacking up its prices on those big on the
domestic routes in order to make more money. Is that fair?
Are they allowed to do that?

Speaker 6 (03:45):
Well that there's there's no law against charging high prices.
That's that's the reality of things in New Zealand. If
it's a monopoly on a monopoly route, it's potentially able
be regulated, but that would require quite a bit of
investigation to make sure that you weren't you weren't overreaching

(04:06):
to do that. And that's not really that's not really
a competition issue. That's a regulatory issue. So from the
point of view competition, you know, we're not we're not
particularly happy with what we see. We keep still still
keeping a really close eye on it, but there's nothing
that we saw that's going to warrant the effort that

(04:28):
would go into a market study too. I mean, we've
already found out a few things that are going to
be helpful and so yeah, our viewers that we'll keep
a close eye on it and and and see how
it develops.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Onday in New Zealand have a monopoly on most of
the regional routes.

Speaker 6 (04:49):
Well, there's some regional routes that don't fly, and that's
part of the issue that people have been complaining about
then with drawing services on routes that are and you
have to assume that those routes are footable, otherwise that'd
still be there. But yeah, I mean, so there's some
routes where there are a monopolists. There's some routes where
smaller airlines are a monopoly and there's been plenty of

(05:11):
I means the reason about a coverage abound particular smaller airlines,
even when they're flying monopoly routes, they're really struggling.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
So on the monopoly routes, is there a case to
be made for regulation there?

Speaker 6 (05:24):
Potentially, But that's a different matter to a market study,
which is a competition issue. So as I say, we're
still looking at this. We talked to the airport's pretty
pretty soon to get some more information from them. It's
not a there's not a once and for all things.
This is this is where we are at the moment.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Why did you decide to write this? What made you
write the editorial?

Speaker 6 (05:46):
We thought it'd be a good idea. Well, we did
the work, first of all, because we are always looking
for ways to improve competition, and market studies are a
tool for that. So we thought, okay, that seems like
it's a bit of an issue here, let's have a
good So we've got a really cracked team together for
about a month or so and had a good look
at it, and then we thought, well, let's pot it

(06:08):
out there so people know what we found.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
And were you feeling like you were being criticized for
not doing it. It felt like you had to come to
your own district defense of it.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
No, no, not at all. No, But I mean we're
allowed to initiate market studies on our own volition or
the government can tell us to so they could still
tell us to us they wanted to. But we're always
looking for ways to improve competition, and so that's the
reason we looked at it. And having looked at it,
thought might as we tell people.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
John, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for
your time. I really appreciate it. That's doctor John Small.
The chairperson of the Commerce Commission, Heather Well said, we
always say the same thing every time we hear this
crap about petty rubbish from the opposition. This is really
us having a massive cry about the voters. Not that
the prisoners not being able to vote, but not ones,
but not the serious topics yet, serious topics being people dying. Listen, Tesla,

(07:00):
I think this is fascinating. This afternoon, there's breaking news
out of the Wall Street Journal. Tesla's board has started
hunting for a new CEO to take over from Elon Musk.
At some stage. Now it's not clear exactly what is
going on here. Not clear if the board is basically
starting to make moves to force Elon out of the role,
or if that's simply sort of, you know, planning for
the future and thinking about legacy and trying to get

(07:22):
somebody to come in and you know, inevitably replace him
one day because he can't go on forever. But you'd
have to suspect that this is a move against Elon
Musk because number one, there are tensions apparently over the
fact that the sales and the profit are dropping fast
and he's spending so much time on Doge dealing with
Washington stuff that obviously. And second, these guys are not idiots, right,

(07:43):
so they know if this stuff hits the news, then
it basically starts this conversation and starts the ball rolling
in that direction. Apparently board members have reached out to
a whole bunch of executive search firms to start working
on a formal process for finding his next chief executive.
You never know, it might be surprised to hear Elon
just says it's been in the works for ages and
I'm planning to step down. Could be a possibility, or
could be something else altogether quarter.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
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Speaker 4 (08:13):
Auto Grave Sports talk host seven o'clock tonight here on
News Talk Zibby. But right now with us at eighteen
pass four, Darcy, do you think that we've struck on something?
Darcy's walked into the studio and said what.

Speaker 7 (08:23):
I don't remember. It was five minutes ago.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
You said I'm tired.

Speaker 7 (08:27):
Yes, it's this.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Obviously you've forgotten. That's how tired you are. Yes, you
feel exceptionally tired today.

Speaker 7 (08:32):
I got up quite late for me.

Speaker 8 (08:34):
It was when my med's alarm went off, because I've
got an alarm to remind me to do this, so
you know, people can deal with the network.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
I feel really tired.

Speaker 7 (08:42):
I don't know why, Sun, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Let's blame we will wear where wolves were reacting to
the moon. OK, if you're feeling really tired, let us know,
because I feel like I feel like we need them.
We might be Two of us is not a pattern,
but three would be anyway.

Speaker 8 (08:59):
Water aren't we and isn't that really the tides are
influenced by the moon, so we're titled to stop.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
So the Indian Panthers have now been suspended, have they?

Speaker 7 (09:08):
If they have.

Speaker 8 (09:10):
The commission today, this is the commission looking after this
from New Zealand Basketball, I'd suspend them effective immediately, from
the participation in the rest of the NBL. The sales
NBL twenty twenty five. And they go through the reasons
they're doing it and why they're doing it, the ongoing investigation,
the details, the conditions, the matters. That one line that

(09:31):
I'm quite interested in here, and I stand to be
challenged on this. I probably will be yes by their commission.
But this is the line from the chair Tracy Garland.
It is very disappointed with the commission to be facing
the situation, especially given that the following careful due.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Diligence whatever carrying on.

Speaker 9 (09:54):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 8 (09:55):
So let's play a game and connect the dots, right
And I'll been on the end connecting dots all night.
I have a deal on that research research. Yeah, I
found something that the medical The connections between the Panthers
are the Indian Basketball League, some vaguely shonky outfits of

(10:15):
Melbourne that are also connected to Western United Football. And
there's all of these connections with these similarities of these
people engaged and it's a mess. It's a financial mess.
And like I've managed to find that of an evening
in a morning, So.

Speaker 7 (10:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
You're saying that the NBL should have just done a
Google search.

Speaker 8 (10:39):
That they hopefully went a bit deeper than that, but
to me, to me, the issue is not about the
Indian Panthers. The issue here is who enabled the Indian
Panthers who started this, because it's their problem, it's their fault.
They initiate, they opened the door, they let this team

(11:00):
in and they're surprised at all chaos and the hell
is broken loose.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
So but now do they have to redraw the draw
I don't know. Well they must have, they must otherwise
every time somebody's supposed to play the Indian Panthers.

Speaker 8 (11:13):
They'll get a couple of points, but no one will
turn up, so the people on the concession boots won't
be able to make any money.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
So they're great experiences.

Speaker 8 (11:20):
We had the bloke on last night Proneil and it
was whosh, what's interesting what some crazy old texts about that?
As well as like, well, I don't know, this guy
talks a lot didn't say a great deal, but that's
what why people were hurt.

Speaker 7 (11:31):
And I talked on challenge on quite a few things,
and you know we.

Speaker 8 (11:35):
Ran the money because you know it's fifteen thousand dollars
a game, a home game, and you know first five
games of home games, and like, well you just found
that out, Laurie. You do you think maybe you might
have looked forward to go we're going to need to
thick end of fifty.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
K for the first game.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
We're what seventy five?

Speaker 7 (11:55):
Seventy five? Well, phone and I don't do math talk.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Ask you a question, is this Ruby in news Baker
or is this expected?

Speaker 8 (12:02):
I wouldn't say expected. But what I say of Alan
Binting is that what he's doing with the lights of
Chelsea Bremner, who's not there as well, Renee Holmes is
not there and Ruby two now they're not out of
the Rugby World Cut which is coming up late August September.
He's just shot across their bows and goes my expectations of.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
This because they're not in the Pacific four series.

Speaker 7 (12:20):
No they're not. That's the accent. They're not out. They're
still in there.

Speaker 8 (12:23):
There's a forty person squad coming up for training for that,
but they've run some of the the more veteran players out.
They've introduced some amazing young talent into the side. There's
some sevens talent coming, but still the core and I
think they might object to the fact that's all about
Ruby Twoey. The core of the team that won that
World Cut, that have been playing great rugby and Opicky

(12:46):
are still there and they're the important ones. And look,
Ruby would be fantastic, but I think that maybe pusha
Woodman Wickliffe coming back probably, and then you've got the
young fullback Braxton who's quite Brax and Sorenson McGee who's
quite something else.

Speaker 7 (13:03):
But there are some great He just.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Needs to do a few spin classes and squats.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
She's got something to prove.

Speaker 8 (13:09):
But internal competition in any team is everything that's a
coaching staff need.

Speaker 7 (13:14):
So it's not the end of the line. It's a
good thing in my humble opinion.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Hey, thank you, Dars appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (13:19):
Darcy will thank you.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
I hope you make it through to seven.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
Sports back and see coffee.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Hey listen, hither I fell asleep on the ute after
driving home from work today and only knocked off at
one instead of five. So it's not just stuff on
the ute?

Speaker 7 (13:33):
How did they drive home?

Speaker 4 (13:36):
On the top will.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Explain getting the facts discarding the fluff. It's Heather duplicy
Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected the
news talks.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
That'd be Heather. I'm tired as well. I blame two
long weekends. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe we've just
we've just been you know when you kind of cruise
a bit and then all of a sudden you have
to work four days in a row and low and
behold tomorrow. It's just a well bit of a shock
to the system. Maybe that's what that is.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
By the way, all flights in and out of Wellington
have been canceled for the remainder of the day, so
if you're planning to go to Wellington or get out
of Wellington, you may as well just go home. You
ain't going anywhere because of the weather for twenty six
hither I tried to change my flight today. This is
Queenstown to Auckland. This is Apropos in New Zealand's charges
two o'clock today. I tried to change it from five
o'clock to two o'clock. It was six hundred and eighty

(14:25):
dollars plus an eighty dollar penalty. Who's taking the piss Tony?
You could probably answer that question. Hey, now, how excited
am I?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Now?

Speaker 4 (14:34):
You know yesterday I was having a winge right about
how we've got a structural deficit and how we need
to slash the budget and maybe what we need to
do is think about cutting entire ministries to save money. Well,
imagine my excitement when I read the news this morning,
actually was this afternoon, and I read this headline at
David Semore wants to slash bloated ministerial lineup. I was like,

(14:55):
now we're talking alrighty how it's like he was listening
to the show or maybe we have a high Anyway,
he says, I don't really want to have a hive
mind with David Seymour, but so we're going to put
it down to he was listening to the show. Now,
he says, we currently have eighty two ministerial portfolios held
by twenty eight ministers, and then we have forty one
separate government departments. He wants to cut those ministers, the

(15:15):
twenty eight ministers down to twenty. No associates except in finance,
and he wants to slash the agencies down to thirty
and each one just have one single minister. He thinks
things like these are the following ministers that we can
get rid of, the child Poverty Reduction Minister, the Hospitality Minister,
the Voluntary Sector Minister, the racing Minister, the Auckland Minister,
the South Island Minister, the Hunting and Fishing Minister, the

(15:36):
Space Minister. Now can you argue with any of this
because I cannot. I'd get rid of the Women's Minister
as well, because I'll tell you later what she's been
up to us. Just nonsense. Ireland has a similar population
to us, and yet we have twenty eight ministers. They
have fifteen, so we have more ministers in the UK.
That doesn't make sense. He's going to be with us
ten past five uses next too, and now.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Putting the challenging questions to the people. At the heart
of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand, let's get connected.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
News talks that'd be a sandstorm in and knocks me out.
That's in northern It's never enough.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
This is Lord's single What was that and the reason
we're playing it. We're going to play this whole show
is just New Zealand music. The reason we're doing it
is because today is the first of May and May
is New Zealand Music Month and this is the twenty
for New Zealand Music Month that we have got.

Speaker 10 (16:40):
So it started in two.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Thousand and one, all the way back then. Hey, so
you can get these T shirts? Can you buy these
T shirts? I think you can buy these T shirts.
We don't know we got sent them so and I'm
assuming that they're sending us T shirts. It's not because
they like us, it's because they want us to tell
you that you two can get yourself one of these
retro t shirts. Do you remember the T shirts back
in two thousand and one they were all the rage,

(17:02):
basically you know the bullseye T shirt that shows you
it's New Zealand music bump. Anyway, they're out there, goes Google.
Do a Google search and you'll find it and buy one.
You could support the music, and we'll be supporting the
music by playing it to you. Sentire show. It's twenty
three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
It's the world wires on news dogs.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
They'd be drive the US and Ukraine have finally signed
that resources deal. The two countries will co invest. This
is the details of it. Will co invest in a
fund that will extract Ukraine's mineral resources and then we'll
rebuild the country's infrastructure. Now Trump reckons this deal will
help the US recoup its investment in Ukraine's war, and
the KIV School of Economics is happy with it too.

Speaker 11 (17:37):
So the latest version doesn't have their loan like imaginary
loan that it had has four some versions, so all
this like negative scenario around it disapeat.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
It Over in Australia, the Mushroom chef Aaron Patterson's a
strange husband has taken the standard her murder trial. Simon
Patterson was invited to the lunch where the four people
fell ill with the death cat poisoning. BBC reporter Katie
Watson says Simon texted eron the day before the lunch
to say he couldn't come now.

Speaker 12 (18:06):
Aaron replied saying, that's really disappointing. I've spent many hours
this week preparing lunch for tomorrow, which has been exhausting
in light of the issues I'm facing, and spent a
small fortune on beef. I Phillip to make beef Wellington's
because I wanted this to be a special meal as
and may not be able to host a lunch like
this again for some time.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
And finally Texas Department of Transportation crews have had to
clean up ten cent coins, eight million ten cent coins.
So what happened was that truck carrying the dimes crashed
on a highway and eight hundred thousand dollars of the
cargo was lost. A passing motorist said he was thinking
about rushing home and then coming back with a bucket

(18:44):
to grab as many coins as he could.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
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Speaker 4 (18:52):
Murray holds Our Aussie corresponds with US Now.

Speaker 9 (18:54):
Ho muz, Good day, Good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
What did you make of the estrange husband's testimony?

Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yeah? Pretty, it's pretty stunning, isn't it. See they're still married.
I thought they were divorced, but apparently they are still married.
And as far as he was concerned, the ex husband Simon,
he thought they had quite a good marriage until things
went off the rails a little bit in the mid teens,
mid twenty teens and they finally broke up, but they're

(19:23):
still civil enough that she would host his mom and
dad at lunch, and she invited him and he, you know,
he said, listen, I wouldn't feel comfortable about coming. And
as you heard there in that clip, you know, I've
spent a small fortune. Wish you could come, wish you
could be here. And of course it just ends in
tragedy because both of his parents are dead, so too

(19:44):
one of his aunts, and it was it's just a
hell of a mess. I mean, she's pleaded not guilty
to three counts of murder. And you know, he was
the first first witness. There's going to be many more.
I think this is down for five weeks head, so
there's going to be a whole lot more of this
absolutely intriguing story to come.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Must tell me about this paramedic who's been giving some
information to the inquest on the BONDI stabbing.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah, in the same way that the inquest is looking
at the deaths of these six people and the injuries
to the ten others, so to our emergency service is
now examining through this inquest, the responses to that dreadful
Saturday afternoon over in Sydney's eastern suburbs. What you've got here,
one single police officer, a police woman happened to be nearby.

(20:34):
Luckily happened to be nearby. She got there in time
to shoot Joel Coucy dead. But on the back of
that police worked one hundred percent sure heeader was there
a second person going crazy in the shopping sanded with
a knife. The first report said there's a guy going
nuts with a gun, so everybody's flocked there. Amy, I

(20:55):
forget the police officer's name, now my bad, but she's
got there in a heartbeatalized. The guy shot him dead,
but the police had to be satisfied there was no
one else going nuts in the center. That's why paramedics
were held outside. These are specialist paramedics who were out
there absolutely chafing. They wanted to get inside. They knew

(21:15):
people were dead, they knew people were injured, possibly dying.
They wanted to get in there, but police said, no,
you can't go in. So there's a vastly experienced paramedic
has been giving every it's nearly fifty years in the job,
a total specialist. But he's talked about there was no
personal protective gear available for the paramedics that day, a
rostering cock up, if you like, meant that basically meant

(21:39):
there were no specially trained emergency top level paramedics available.
And he's also suggested, listen, if this ever happens again,
God forbid, what about two of us go in with
police police escorting us to go and check on the
injured people. So these are some of the things that
are now being analyzed in this inquest. Was the response
good enough? Apparently there was nothing that could have been

(22:02):
done to save those who died, and the ones who
were injured were got out in time. So to that extent,
I suppose the loved ones of those who died and
who were injured, I suppose there's a measure of comfort
there that no one passed away who wasn't going to
pass away anyway.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Is the suggestion from this paramedic that they would have
gone in even though the police are telling them not to.
They would have risked their own lives and gone it.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
That's the inference from the paramedic. I mean, look, they're
not there to be silly and you know, risk their
own lives. He's saying, listen, if it's necessary let's go
in with police. Police are armed, they're trying to shoot
people if they have to. We're not. We're there to
save life as best we possibly can. And I think
that's the tenor of his Testamenty.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
Now, listen, how bad is this YouGov poll for Peter
dusn't he buddy?

Speaker 13 (22:53):
Hell?

Speaker 5 (22:54):
It looks grim And if this comes true, and don't
forget you gov as the organization. It's not like News
Public's run by Murdoch or the other side. The nine
newspaper network over here has its own polling system. You
God was widely regarded as perhaps the most reliable of
these Internet polling organizations. And if these figures come true

(23:15):
on Saturday, terrible news for Peter Dutton in the opposition.
The latest figures show label will not only be returned
on Saturday with an increased majority, it'll have a majority government.
It'll have maybe eighty four seats in the one hundred
and fifty seat parliament, the Coalition down to below fifty
forty seven seats, the lowest percentage, Heather, if this comes
true since nineteen hundred and forty six, Now you and

(23:37):
I have spoken before. This campaign for the opposition has
been an absolute disaster policy black flips on the run
Peter Dutton talked about living in Sydney on the harbor
there in the Prime Minister's houses. Instead of talking about
cost of living, it's cost of living dummy. It should
have been banged and it was head in day one.
I mean they had all they had three years to
get ready for this and it's been an absolute shamozzle.

(24:00):
So if it comes true, some long long faces on
the conservative side of politics here on Saturday.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
Night too, right, mys, thanks very much, really appreciate it.
Murray OL's Australia correspondent list. And on that minerals deal
between the US and Ukraine, Basically what they're going to
do is they're going to set up a fund to
attract international investment and fifty percent we punted in by
the US, fifty percent by Ukraine. Ukraine would retain full
control over its mineral resources, its infrastructure and its natural
resources and this fund would only relate to new investments

(24:26):
not approved yet still has to be approved by Ukraine's parliament.
So a fair way to go on that sixteen away.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
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Speaker 4 (24:35):
Curty Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us Hey Thomas,
they're good. After is to see the Health Minister as
calling the doctors back to the negotiating table. When is
this going to happen?

Speaker 8 (24:44):
Ah?

Speaker 14 (24:45):
Look, I mean they didn't even put the most recent
They didn't even put the most recent offer to the members,
So clearly there's a there's not a great relationship here.
This most recent offer didn't sound didn't sound all that bad.
I think a junior doctor, I think would have get Sorry,
a first year specialist would have had a nine point
five percent pay increase on the on the last offer,

(25:05):
which would have increased their pay by about seventeen thousand dollars.
Simon Brown says, So it's not it doesn't sound ungenerous.
I think perhaps one of the main sticking points is
the working conditions and staffing levels in the hospitals. I
think you've heard a lot of commentary from the the
union about about that, but certainly, I mean you wouldn't
if you were the union want to try your luck

(25:27):
too much with this. I think four thousand I think
the Health New Zealand says four thousand, three hundred procedures
were delayed today, So there's only so many times you
can you can pull that trick before you before you
wear the public's patients. I'm thinking, of course about the
teachers a couple of years ago. I think they tried
the public a bit too much there. So yeah, they
seem to be pretty in a pretty intractable state at

(25:49):
the moment. But you would think that this can't go
on forever.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
No, how far short is this payoffer from what the
of what the doctors want.

Speaker 14 (25:59):
Look if they haven't, if they haven't even put the
most recent one to their members, I would say it
is a fair way off what they want. I don't
know what how much money there is left in the
and the kitty. Of course, Health New Zealand has been
cutting well. I've been trying to get spending down after that,
finding that one half billion dollar deaficit last year. But again,

(26:20):
if if the members weren't even asked to vote in it,
you'd have to say this is there's probably a fair
bit of a fear bit of room between the two camps.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Now, explain something to me. Okay, So David Seymour wants
to cut a whole bunch of ministerial roles but does
he actually want to cut ministries as well?

Speaker 14 (26:36):
Yeah, he he, he wants to do the background of
this is he made a speech speech today about about this.
He cited, putting back to New Zealand Initiative paper. I
think this absolute proliferation and ministries and departments. And we've
seen it. I mean recently, you've got what the Climate
Change Commission got created in the last government to out

(26:58):
of fifty Ministry of Pacific People's like aha, the Ministry
for Disabled people. They've only just arrived recently. He pointed
as well to the fact that under the first m
MP governments you have these ministers outside of cabinet, you
have a proliferation of ministries, proliferation of ministers. He thinks
you could actually reduce the size of these down to

(27:18):
maybe twenty twenty key ministers and also abolish abolished portfolios
that don't have a direct ministry attached to them. I mean,
and again you've seen this recently. I mean James Meagan,
the Minister for the South Island.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah, the last nonsense, isn't it.

Speaker 14 (27:32):
Well, the last time I checked that, I read his
briefing to the incoming minister. As you know, you know
every new minister gets their briefing to the incoming minister.
His one said, I'm sorry, minister, there are no staff
and this portfolio, which begs the question who wrote it?

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Very good question. Okay, here's this. I mean, look, I
love it. I love what David Seymore was talking about.
It incidentally just happened to Seren be talking serendipitously be
talking about this yesterday ourselves. What are the answers that
he actually gets to do this, I mean, give me
the reality check here.

Speaker 14 (28:04):
Oh the reality check is not good. I would think
I would It's a classic m MP. I think he
has a good chance of getting part of the way.
I think there is a good there are always good
opportunities for mergers and rationalizations. I think clearly the government
wants to reduce the public service. He's counteribate, so we
get part of the way. Whether he'll I mean, whether
he'll get that's that's not happening the whole.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Can I take heart from the fact that he's he's
talking about this in the same month as the budget.

Speaker 14 (28:30):
Well he he he actually told the hero that this
is not a budget thing like this is this is
a you know, so it is you know the question
to say to me too brutally, yes, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Tory is not going to be Andrew Little's deputy, is she?

Speaker 5 (28:48):
No?

Speaker 14 (28:49):
This is I mean? Andrew Little did this very He
was both very explicit but very tactful that he represents change.
Tory Fano is obviously not changed. She is the current mayor.
He becomes Meyor, which seems pretty likely he'd be the favorite.
Tory will not be, will not be his deputy mayor.
Biggs question who will be. He will probably want to

(29:12):
build a good relationship around the council table, but not
want to perhaps reflect repeat the mistakes of Paul Eagle,
who probably built a coalition that was slightly too broad.
I think he probably reached across the aisle too much
to the right during the election campaign, which put off
some of his supporters on the left, which probably propelled
Tory Farner to win the election that time round. So

(29:33):
he's got a difficult decision there. But certainly, you know Wellington,
there is there is a mood for change, very clearly
in Wellington, and certainly you know campaigning and acknowledging that
you want the incomeveent Mere to be your deputy is
probably not the best way to reflect that.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
It's very few point Thomas, Thanks very much, Thomas Codlin,
the Herald's political editor. Yeah, very smart move from Andrew Little,
because if you were listening to the show yesterday, so
it started with Tory floating the idea that she would
like to be his deputy and that he might like
to consider her and role. And then if you were
listening to the show yesterday you will have seen it
had kind of built up its own momentum and people
from the right were now saying that a deal had

(30:06):
been struck. So Andrew Little has clearly moved today to
just shut that down and he said she's not going
to be the deputy. And it's a smart move because
that's how people feel about Tori as the deputy. I
would say eight away from five putting.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Back to this business of our economic aims and Chief
Economy Saron Zulma is back with all these companies that
are abandoning guidance now because they have no idea what's
going on?

Speaker 10 (30:32):
Does that make life more difficult for us all?

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Well?

Speaker 6 (30:34):
So it does make it more difficult for them in John's.

Speaker 15 (30:36):
Case, I mean the actual direct tariffs on our ten
percent on twelve percent of very exports. Really are very
good experts, So it's not a game change of the economy.
But for some individual companies of course.

Speaker 16 (30:45):
It's a very big deal.

Speaker 15 (30:47):
But the main channel through it Chin down could be
effected the flower growth, including in China because support partners
and taxing our commodity crisis and exports more generally, but
also that confidence channel.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosk Breakfast with
Maylee's Real Estate News Talk zed.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Be we're going to speak to Sarah Dalton. By the way,
this is read the doctor strike. We're going to speak
to Sarah Dalton, who is leading the union, who will
be with us straight after five o'clock, so we'll try
and get a bit of detail from who are on
how far short this offer is from what they actually want.
The Greens want to announce or rather have announced a
policy today to create new jobs. It's basically a make
work scheme they want to set up. They basically want

(31:24):
to have a Ministry of Works again but Ministry of
green works, just to make it better, and then they
want to expand the jobs for Nature program and they
reckon that they can create more than forty thousand jobs.
Trouble is it's going to cost eight billion dollars and
they haven't said how they're going to fund it, and
we don't have any money, right, we really don't need
to lay at this point. We ain't got no money.
So where they're going to get eight billion dollars a
year from I don't know. But Chloe's going to be

(31:45):
with us after five thirty. But I tell you what
I want to talk to Chloev. I'm going to ask
her about this interesting thing that's just popped through in
the UK news. The German agriculture minister has said I
will get German children eating meat again. And the reason
he's saying this is because his predecessor had gone for
the vegetarian eating and had planned and meat tax. And

(32:07):
this is all this like anti meat stuff is driven
in a large part by climate change policies, right because
you know, cows fart and it makes the climate get warm,
and so if we don't eat as many cows, then
we're not the You know, you can kind of follow
the logic and you can see how you end up
with a vegetarian option. Anyway, what I've seen increasingly and

(32:28):
predominantly coming out of the European region is a real
backlash against climate policies. Right, You've had, you got this,
You've got what's going on with the power outage in
Spain and Portugal being blamed on renewable energy. You've got
Tony Blair coming out in net zero, or Kemi Bada
not coming out against net zero. Like, there's this like
real movement against climate stuff. And I am just starting

(32:50):
to feel like I can now confidently predict to you
that the Paris Agreement is not going to hold all
the way to twenty fifty. But anyway, Chloe's with us
after HYPASPI, I'll ask her about that. We're also going
to talk about vapor. Yeah, not a surprise to anyone,
but it's actually going to hurt your lungs really badly.
This is David Dallas running New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Music, digging through the spin to find the real story story.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
It's handed dup with the on drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Let's get connected news dogs, they'd be afternoon.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
The latest on the doctor strike is that the healthman,
Ister Simeon Brown, has called the doctors back to the
negotiating table this afternoon.

Speaker 17 (33:35):
Health New Zealand is committed to reaching a settlement with
ASMS and is applied to the Employment Relations Authority for
facilitation as the next step to resolve this. I urged
the ASEMS union to return to the negotiation table so
a deal can be struck and patients can get the
care that they need.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Sarah Dalton is with the union representing the doctors. Hi, Sarah, Hi, Heather,
how are you doing very well? Thank you? Winning you
back at the negotiating table. Then there's a.

Speaker 18 (34:03):
Case conference tomorrow to talk about facilitation and whether that's
the next best process for bargaining.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Was this something that was already planned or is this
something that Simon Brown has just initiated.

Speaker 18 (34:16):
No, no, we knew about it earlier this week to
FUTTORDA told us they were going to apply for facilitation.
This is not news. It's we ended up in facilitation
the last two bargaining rounds. I think what would be
really helpful would be for the Minister to think about
what funds they make available to futt order to help
them sort this out.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
As in, how much more to offer you guys?

Speaker 18 (34:41):
Yeah, Well, He's been pretty clear that they have to
meet whatever the settlement is out of their baseline funding
which keeps being stripped back. So I mean, if he
wants to play a productive role in discussions, I think
this government needs to look at the way they're funding
health and particularly health workforce.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
What is the difference, Sarah, between what you've been offered
and what you guys want.

Speaker 18 (35:03):
Well, what's been offered for most of our members works
out at less than one percent a year over a
three year term. For about five hundred of our members
who had been in the first three years of working
as specialist, there's a little bit more there, but as
far as we can ascertain, what's been offered still fits
within the initial envelope that fat Order have brought to

(35:25):
the table, which is no more than a one and
a half percent increase on their current spend on senior
doctor salaries.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
And the increase that you want is what we've put in.

Speaker 18 (35:35):
A claim for twelve percent. Now, obviously we're in bargaining,
but we are very far apart at the moment. As
you probably know, we've got issues with relativities with junior
doctors and I'm being bombarded with emails from our members
showing me examples of job offers outside of New Zealand
where they're being offered. You know, wild sums of money

(35:55):
are they?

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Are they interested in taking it?

Speaker 15 (35:58):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Look, some people.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Already have right.

Speaker 18 (36:00):
I think the people that were out there on the
picket lines today and participating in strike action are here
because they're committed to staying in New Zealand. What they
really want is enough colleagues to make their work tenable,
sustainable and safe.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Now, Samian Brown has regularly criticized the fact that you
haven't even put this offer to your MEMB members. Why
haven't you done that?

Speaker 18 (36:20):
There's a couple of reasons for that. The first is,
in our constitution, our executive actually has decision making power
about settlements. We generally pull our members when we think
we've got a serious offer and when we think we're
at a point of conclusion. But the second thing is
there was no more being offered than before. We've been
closely in contact with our members through the whole process

(36:42):
about what their expectations are, and I'd have to say
the twelve percent claim that we put is already a
compromise in the eyes of some of our members because
they know very well what they can earn in private
and what's on offer over the Tasman.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Sarah, thanks very much. Sarah Dalton with the Association of
Salaried Medical Specialists.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
ACT Party leader David Seymour has announced he wants to
slash the number of ministers and ministries. He's pointed out
that we have more ministers than Ireland, which is a
country about the similar population, and even more than the UK,
which is a country with a much larger population. And
he's with us right now.

Speaker 13 (37:14):
David, Hello, good ahead.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Were you listening to the show yesterday?

Speaker 13 (37:19):
Well, I was going to ask if you were reading
the ACT Party's excellent publication Free Press about eight weeks ago,
because I saw a similar idea there too, and that's
what I thought when I was listening to your show yesterday,
as I am from four to seven.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Every day, Oh, I'll listen to you. Well, now I
have to say yes, I read it absolutely every week.
Wouldn't go a week without missing it. Now, David, tell
me how this is going to work. Forty one government department.
You want to get it down to thirty. So what
do you cut?

Speaker 13 (37:46):
Well, people are going to go straight to that, and
I'm not going to. I've got a list and it
only has thirty on it, and that's what you need
to do, the things that most people would expect a
government to do. But I know as soon as I
start naming them, people will say I'm trying to attack
the here apart and it's all politically. I think we
just need to hit this idea right because right now
there are ministers that have seven different departments. There are

(38:08):
departments such as MB that answer to nineteen different ministers.
There are portfolios. Just give you one example, not to
pick on it, but the minister for Auckland that Labor
created that there's no Auckland department, there's no Auckland vote
in the budget. It's just a made up thing, frankly,

(38:29):
and I think that really we should be moving to
a world where each department has only one minister, No
portfolios exist unless they have an actual department with a
budget and a thing to do, and there should be
no ministers outside of the cabinet. Everyone should be sitting
around at the same table. That's going to take a

(38:50):
lot of people making a concession, but if we could
get there, I think the whole thing would just get
stuff done faster, and a lot of people that say, look,
you know, why doesn't stuff have quicker It might be
a little happier.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Right, Well, I mean I obviously love this, but how
realistic is it?

Speaker 13 (39:07):
Well, I don't believe it will happen before the election.
You know, Chris is the Prime Minister and he's set
the table and we agreed to that, so we're part
of him about it isn't passing, sure, but I go
into all our conversations. But I mean I think.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
You've got from him, David. Has he thought it was
a brilliant idea or was he poo pooed it?

Speaker 13 (39:29):
Well, Chris cotters teeth as a manager, and I'm sure
that it's something that without speaking for intuitive we get. However,
I don't believe it will change before the election. I'd
love it too, I don't think it will. This is
the kind of thing where at a halftime point between
two elections we need to have a bit of a

(39:49):
team talk, say what's so on well and ask what
will we do differently in the future.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Brilliant love it, David, Thanks very much, David Seymour Ax
Parley leader Heather do so sorry to anybody outside of
Auckland having to live through this. But I think this
is quite This is this, I think is an example
of what happens in council.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Right.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
So we are waiting on Auckland Council to come through
with the stadium with a decision on what's going to
happen with Western Springs read the building of another stadium, okay,
and what they're discussing today Apparently I here or I
was naively thinking they were going to make a decision,
like they've got a couple offers. They've got the pontsib
Be rugby club who want to do blah blah blah
and they need some righte pays money and then they've
got they've got Ali Williams and his mates from Auckland

(40:32):
FC who are prepared to build the stadium for free.

Speaker 8 (40:34):
Right.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
So, as far as I thought they're going to make
a decision foodleish me. No, they are discussing how to
progress the stadium decision. So that's the first thing that
happens at council. But so even then it's not a
real decision, but we're not. It doesn't even look like
we can get that today because now there is tension
around the council table apparently because one of the councilors
and don't don't tell me who it is, because I

(40:56):
don't need to get dark on whoever it is, but anyway,
dark on all of them. Anyway, one of them wants
to revive the speedway so that they can put that
one up for discussion as well. They want us to
discuss what we're going to do with the speedway. Now
speedway has been taken away from that. Now I would
have thought, like, come on, is this not a slam dunk.
It's a slam dunk because you don't even need to
have these people are justifying their jobs. You don't need

(41:17):
to have a meeting about this. Auckland FC with Bill Foley,
who's loaded, he's got more cash and he knows what
to do with and Ali, who's lady Anna from Zuru
has got tons of money as well. They are saying
that they will build you a stadium Auckland for free.
What's there to discuss? Take the money, get the free
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Speaker 1 (42:31):
Heather duplusy Allen five.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Nineteen now a groundbreaking news study has for the first
time linked vaping with irreversible lung disease. So this is
a study by John Hopkins Johns Hopkins University. It looked
at health data from about a quarter of a million
people found a significant link between vaping and COPD, which
is the fourth leading cause of death in New Zealand.
Doctor Stuart Jones is a respiratory physician and is with
us now has Stewart.

Speaker 19 (42:55):
Cyota, Heather, how are you.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
I'm very well, thank you. It seems to me are
we surprised that if you're inhaling this weird stuff into
your lungs that you're probably going to get COPD?

Speaker 8 (43:06):
The answer is no, no.

Speaker 19 (43:09):
If the respiratory community aren't surprised at all that this
result has come out, I guess it's what we've been
warning about all along with the vaping that's been going on,
is that it does I mean, we've known for a
while it's causes damage, it causes inflammation to the airways

(43:30):
and things like that, but now we have a little
bit more concrete evidence that it's doing more permanent damage
to those airways.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Now can we say, based on this, whether we think
vaping is necessarily better than ciggy's.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah, hither.

Speaker 19 (43:47):
It is important to note that that in the study,
it also the study demonstrated a higher incidence of incidents
the APD and people who were smoking combustible cigarettes. So
the rates of CPD that occurred with vaping alone weren't
as high as combustible cigarettes, but still significant. And the

(44:13):
other key point for this study is that the worst
people off were the people who combined cigarettes and vaping.
And that's what I'm worried that many people are still doing.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
So wait are you saying, because there were a lot
of people who will be smoking the cigis maybe when
they're on the beers, and then the rest of the
time they'll just be doing the vaping to try to
cut down the bad stuff. But would they actually be
better off just packing one of the two and going
for it rather than doing the combo?

Speaker 19 (44:38):
Yeah? Correct, correct, Because I mean, we know that it
damages the airways in different ways, so the mechanism of
damage to the airways is different between vaping and cigarette smoking.
And effectively, what you're doing with the dull use is
you're doubling up, so that's definitely a no goo So

(45:03):
you know, yeah, so vaping definitely does cause damage to
their ways. The only people who might get a benefit
is those people who can't stop smoking the cigarettes, but
they would only get the benefit if they make a
complete switch.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Okay, hey Stuart, thank you. I mean there are some
at least some useful information there for people if you
choose which way you're going to die, but don't go
for both ways, because that's not a good idea of
five twenty two. By the way, it's Dr Stuart Jones,
respiratory physician.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Checking the point of the story.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and youth dogs.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
They'd be Heather.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
David Symore's bang on the case. Thank you for that.
I agree five twenty five. Now listen, I tell you
what's going to be very interesting to watch, and that
is who is going to be more successful with Donald Trump.
Is it going to be the new Prime Minister of Canada,
Mark Carney, who's basically just won the election there this
week by standing up to Trump? Or is it going
to be Keir Starmer, who's the Prime Minister of the UK,
who was such a suck up to Trump. It is

(46:02):
embarrassing not only did he invite Trump for a second
state visit and also hand deliver a love letter from
King Charles, but now it turns out he's personally working
to secure a golf tournament for one of Trump's golf
courses in the UK. Now, watching this right, watching the
way that these two behave and what happens from here,
is not just an academic exercise. It's actually going to

(46:23):
be probably a good idea for watch for us to
watch in order to figure out how we should be
dealing with Donald Trump, because clearly there is divided opinion
within even our government as to what to do here.
Chris Luxan obviously wants to take a stronger stance, hence
the old phone call the other day to various world
leaders trying to start some sort of a thing, and
when Ston Peters clearly wants to lay low, hence him
telling luxonof in public. And there is mountain, i would say,

(46:46):
mounting international pressure to stand up to Trump. Malcolm Turnbult,
former Prome Minister of Australia, has piped up in recent
days saying New Zealand needs to be tougher and not
appeas Trump. And China just popped up the other day,
if not yesterday, urging other nations to stand up to
Trump bullying. Now, for the record, I actually think Winston's
right here. You can only stand up to a bully

(47:06):
if you are roughly of the same size, and we
are very much not of the same size as the US,
and you can suck up like Keir Starmer. But I
suspect bullies don't respect that, and I think it's working
out that way because the free trade deal with the
UK is not going to happen fast, is it. So
that leaves you with the third option, don't draw attention,
wait for the dust to settle, and then pop up

(47:26):
and say the right thing when the time is right.
And that is the option that Winston has picked, and
I wouldn't be surprised if it actually works out to
be the smartest move.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Of Allgever do for clams.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Are with us next co leader to Chloe Sawbrick Listen.
I don't know if you realize this, but Stats New
Zealand do this thing where they work out the inflation
number by looking at a set number of things that
you would get at the supermarket or whatever, like the
set number of things that you spend your money on.
They call it the CPI basket, and it's the same
all the time, but then from time to time, you know,

(47:56):
obviously we're not buying certain things anymore, we're buying different things,
and so they update and they have just updated it,
and it's fascinating. It's a fascinating insight into changing trends.
So what they've put into their CPI basket is spinach,
but what they've taken out is salary. So apparently we're
not that into the salary, but we're getting into the spinach,
which I would actually say is a good health decision

(48:17):
by us, because I feel like the spinach is better
for you. Soy milk is out, but plant based milk,
like what oat almond, that's all in now. So we're
finished with the soy, but we're into all the other
little weird things. Meal kits are in like Hello Fresh
and the other one my food bag and stuff like
that that's in. Increasingly. We're han't got enough time, so

(48:38):
we're spending our money on this. What's in is going
to a bar and buying a cocktail. What's out is
going to a bar and buying an RTD can. Now,
I'm told by Bonnie who's like just of drinking age.
That that's because they're now roughly of the same size.
So if you can spend the money, you may as
well get yourself a good one. What's out is men's jerseys,
but not women's do jerseys, all children's jerseys, just men's jerseys,

(49:03):
and that is not the I'm going to run you
through more of this list because it's weird headlines. Next
to me.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected and youth talks.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
They'd be.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
She has so again she hard home again. This is
for New Zealand Music Month. Here are a couple more
things that have come out of the CPI basket. So
into the CPI basket are women's yoga pants and active wear.
Out of the CPI basket are women's tracksuit trousers, not men's.
The menister wearing the tracky decks. The women have just
got rid of them. In is headwear.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Now.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
That stands to reason because if you look around at
the young people nowadays are all wearing hats, aren't Their
hats are back in fashion? Out are men's ties. No
one buys ties anymore. Out is alarm monitoring services. Now
my first reaction to that was that would be because
alarm monitoring services are expensive. But then in a cruisers
and they are also expensive, So who can make sense

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of it? Twenty three away from.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Six together Duplessyl.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
Standing by now the Green Party has unveiled a policy
to create jobs. It wants to set up a Ministry
of Green Works and expand the Jobs for Nature program.
It would apparently create more than forty thousand jobs and
it would cost more than eight billion dollars. Chloe Swarbrick
is the Green Party co leader. Hey Chloe CHERLDO, how
are you? And well, thank you? So what are we
going to pay these people to do?

Speaker 16 (50:32):
So we're going to pay these people to rebuild our infrastructure,
to restore biodiversity, to build our homes and ultimately an
economy that we as New Zealanders own and are proud of.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
And where are we going to get the eight billion dollars?

Speaker 16 (50:46):
Well, the really exciting thing is that in about a
fortnight's time we'll be unveiling our Green Budget, which will
show people precisely how we can have an economy that
reduces the cost of living, improves quality of life, and
also reduces climate changing emission. So there's more detail to
come in that full budget.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
So will it be I mean, is this something that
you will create? Will there be a new revenue stream
or will you be cutting things out of the existing
budget in order to make up this eight billion dollars.

Speaker 16 (51:12):
I don't want to sound like a regular politician to
use you. We have to wait and see, but I
think people can get a pretty clear indication of where
the Green Party's values lie when it comes to our
taxation system. We had a report from Inland Revenue Department
about two or three years ago now which told us
that the wealthare is three hundred and eleven households in
this country paying effective tax rate less than half of
that of the average New Zealander. We've always said that

(51:33):
we think that that's fundamentally unfair. And you'll see precisely
how we'll raise that revenue necessary for this spending to
create an economy that works for all of us in
about a fortnight's time.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Right, So more tax Okay, So why do we need
to pet paper? Why are we doing these make work schemes?
Why not just rely on private employment.

Speaker 16 (51:50):
Well, you can see from the Productivity Commissions reporting a
few years ago now that we have approximately one hundred
billion dollar infrastructure deficit over the last thirty years and
a fourcast one hundred billion dollars for the next thirty years.
It's really clear that the private sector is not filling
that gap. And in fact, when you look at the
research on public private partnerships or even actually experience with

(52:10):
the likes of Transmission Gully of late, you can see
that that stuff costs New Zealanders more because we're paying
for the profit margin of private companies. That's precisely why
we're saying, let's look at the past and see where
we've done these things well. And that's why we've taken
inspiration from the Ministry of Works, which once upon a
time was charged with building the infrastructure that all of
us rely on. And we've said, let's learn from that,

(52:31):
but do it better confronted with the challenges of for example,
climate change.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Listen, I want to get your take on something that
I've been watching develop globally, and this is I think
a lot of pressure. So I'm changing the subject here
and I haven't warned you, but I'm getting a lot
of I'm getting the impression that there is a lot
of pressure that's building on net zero by twenty fifty
or even cutting down by twenty thirty. And I'm basing
this on the fact that we've had discussions here in
New Zealand about whether we can meet our obligations. You'll

(52:58):
have seen Tony Blase come out against net Z zero
over in the UK. What do you think is going
to happen? Do you think that this agreement is going
to hold?

Speaker 16 (53:05):
But I guess just to take a set back. I
can understand why there is a sensation or a deprioritization
that people are happy when it comes to climate action
because the immediate pressure is on cost of living. But
I think it's important for us to connet the dots.
If we continue to allow climate change to exacerbate unmitigated,

(53:26):
we are going to end up our higher cost of living.
Everyone they need to think about all of the things.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
I understand that whether I understand, But Chloe, what do
you think is going to happen? Do you think the
Paris Agreement is going to fall apart? Or do you
think it will hold to twenty fifty?

Speaker 16 (53:41):
What I'm interested in is what we have control over,
in the power to actually do. And that is why
I think it's really important that New Zealanders here crystal
clear from a party that has its legacy. You don't
sound in the planet that we're committed to this stuff.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
You don't confident.

Speaker 16 (53:55):
I'm confident that we need to act if we are
going to meet the scale of the child that are
in front of us. So it's really a matter of
where we going when an unstoppable force meets and a
liverable object here, what do we do? We have to
as human beings rattle with the reality of the chat
of the challenge that is confronting us.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Chloe, listen, thank you, I appreciate your time. That's Chloe
Swarbrick the Green Party. Colely to listen. I'm fascinated that
Chloe couldn't tell me that she thinks the Paris Agreement
is going to hold. We're going to talk to Kitty Hannafan,
who's from Air New Zealand sustainability boss or whatever over there,
because we're going to talk to her about the fact
that they've dropped their climate targets, but they've got Animission's guidance.
Talk to her after six o'clock. I'm gonna ask you

(54:35):
this question as well, because now this is my new thing.
I want to know if the Paris Agreement's going to
hold nineteen away from six.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find you all,
one of a kind.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Huddle with me this evening. Craig Greenny of the Sea,
to you the economists there and Claire Delort journalist.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Hello you two.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Hello, hello, Craig.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
So.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Idea of the day for me is David Seymour pledging
to cut ministries and ministers. Do you like it or
hate it?

Speaker 20 (55:01):
I'm a bit indifferent to it towards to be deadly honest.
Heither it's sort of it doesn't really matter sort of
how many ministers you have. It's basically what they're doing
that should count and what the government's doing over all
that kind you can have more ministers or fewer ministers.
Well again, but you can have more ministries or fewer ministries.
It's actually are they doing what New Zealand needs?

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Are they?

Speaker 20 (55:23):
Are they delivering the public services that New Zealand needs.
We've had some departments that have been split into others
we've had in the very recent past, we had the
creation of MB which brought several ministries together. It's it's
actually not a question of how many offices or how
many ministries there are, it's actually are they are they
working well and are they delivering efficiently? And I think

(55:43):
right now that's an arguable point.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
What are you saying. Would you argue that they're not
delivering efficiently?

Speaker 20 (55:50):
I think there are many ministries that are really suffering
because they've had they've had essentially back rooms and the
the the the engine rooms of those organizations should out
of them via cuts, and so they're really struggling to deliver,
which we've seen, you know, almost arguly in real time
with the delivery of the Family Boost program, which couldn't
be ruled out properly because we had to sort of,

(56:12):
you know, put it together with string in order to
get it out as quickly as the government demanded.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Claire, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Well?

Speaker 21 (56:20):
I tend to agree with Craig because I don't think
I think you've got to look at the what these
ministries are achieving. One of the things that you do
achieve by having portfolios that David Seymour obviously disagrees for
example racing, which is you know, his political opponent and

(56:42):
coalition partner Winston Peters. Thing is you do sheet home
some political accountability for results in that area. You may
not have a big office or a big administration, but
there is accountability and it does go back to a
very specific minister. I mean you can say that too
about for example, mental health, which we're going to talk
about probably Matt Doucy. Not a good outcome, but somebody's

(57:04):
got to take responsibility. And I do think it's quite
interesting also that at the moment you'd have to say
the ACT Party is disproportionately represented with eight ministers in
our cabinet.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
When you look at.

Speaker 21 (57:17):
The percentage of support it's had a lot of it
is political. It's giving people positions because everyone's jockeying for
influence within our MMP governments.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
And so clear that you saw the Hunting and Fishing
Minister held responsible for anything.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Look, I did not know we had one.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
What about the South Island Minister? At what point are
we going to call for James Meagher's resignation as the
South Island Minister? What would he have to do wrong?

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Well?

Speaker 21 (57:48):
I think what he's probably got his hands for right
now because with a bit of lucky somehow made it
to the South Island, which seems under siege.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
Mark Mitchell as the Civil Defense Minister predominantly dealing with us.

Speaker 21 (58:01):
They can work together nicely and they can cooperate. We
stop all the elements that are needed.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
We does this end? Why don't we have a minister
for our targo.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
That's part of the South Island? Heather, do you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Like it's like it could never end, Like we could
just make ministers for everything, couldn't we You.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Could, And that's what it comes down to. It is
very political. It is trying to satisfy.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I just want both to know you haven't and I
still think that they need to cut a whole bunch
of them, but you have.

Speaker 20 (58:39):
I think I think one of the things you do
when you create ministries or ministers that aren't normal, regular
every day ones, like arguably the Minister for the South Island,
you're helping to demonstrate to the public what are your priorities.
So we had the creation of a child poverty minister
for example. We've had, you know, other ministers who cost

(59:00):
of politics.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
At what cost politics? At some point. We have to
stop worrying so much about what the governing policy, the
politics that the governing parties are playing, and think about
what it is literally costing us in tax paid dollars
for them to send us signals. You know, I don't
want to pay for a minister, so they can send
me their priorities.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Just do it.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Is it not only.

Speaker 21 (59:21):
Minister doesn't a minister holding multiple portfolios doesn't have to
actually cost you that much. And you can see that
in other countries where they have just as many people
or as few as we have the diminishing number of
people we have, and they have maybe twenty ministers and
they are managing entire countries with fifteen to twenty ministers.
You can give them all sorts of titles whatever, but

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the responsibilities are shared out amongst very capable people.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
I see what you mean. Okay, so you have fewer,
fewer bodies wearing more hats. Okay, guys will take a
break and come back, just to take fourteen away from six.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
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Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
By the way, Claire, what did you make of Chloe
Swarbrock's idea for job that make work scheme.

Speaker 21 (01:00:07):
Look, the first thing that popped into my head when
I was reading about this and then listening to was
think big. I mean, it really is a back to
the past kind of you know, it evokes the whole
Bilbert era of more you know, picking winners, that sort
of thing, which hasn't actually been bad for New Zealand
in some respects, but in the case of this particular policy,

(01:00:32):
it is literally half baked at this point because we
don't know how it's going to be funded, and it
seems to me it will possibly render the Greens are
unelectable anyway and not be in a position to implement anything.
I think we really need to push more in the
direction of a better educated, highly educated if we can workforce,

(01:00:54):
and to sort of go more down the Singapore route
of trying to really harness the brains of a very
well motivated population while also making the most of our
actual resources by way of food production for the world.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
I feel, Craig like there will not be much of
a public appetite for making jobs for people basically subsidizing
jobs in the modern era. What do you think.

Speaker 20 (01:01:17):
I don't think they'll be much appetated for just directly
subsidizing employment. But if you're actually building the things that
New Zealand needs. You know, as Chloe said, the Infrastructure
Commission pointed out, we have one hundred and six billion
dollar infrastructure gap and that's just public sector infrastructure gap
right now. So those are hospitals, schools, roads, everything else

(01:01:37):
that should exist and don't because frankly, we haven't paid
for them. And we do need to build that infrastructure,
and we need to do it better than we do
it right now because we're very poor at building and
if we can find a better means of doing that,
we absolutely should.

Speaker 21 (01:01:52):
Clear well, they don't they don't want foreign investment in
any of us. And you know, there was shades of
you know, the bricks that was the take back control
sort of quote in some of the materials that they've released.
I mean, I just don't think we cannot just have
a little money go around in New Zealand. We don't
have the money to fund all of these things. We

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do need to encourage them foreign investment.

Speaker 20 (01:02:17):
By the way, I think we do need to encourage
Kufo go.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
No, no, there you go.

Speaker 20 (01:02:22):
I was say I think we do need to encourage
foreign investment, but many of the things that we should
have been building over the past thirty forty years would
have just been normal Crown investment, and so I think
that's that's a case where we do need to catch up.
The best example of that is actually the water infrastructure
around New Zealand. So we've got lots of free waters

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infrastructure that needs building. Local authorities are often don't have
the capacity of the size to do that. So if
we have a means of helping to grow that and
deliver it and do it more efficiently, that means lower
rate bills for everyone, and that's got to be a
benefit to you know, to anyone who owns a home.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Good on you, guys. This has been lovely to Shad,
Thank you very much, Craig Rennie, to you economist and
clear the Lord journalist ate away from six It's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
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Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
I'm with you. The more ministers, ministries and managers leads
to more complexity, more duplication, more tax payer waste. You know, Kevin, jeez,
I just think just take it. Who cares. I mean,
who cares if these people have fancy titles. I quite
like James Megas. I'd be sad if he lost his
title as the Minister of the South Island. But I
don't know. Have we seen him do anything? Oh lord,
we need to talk about the Minister of Women at

(01:03:34):
some stage, because that is definitely a position I'd be
getting rid of. As she popped up today. I haven't
gotten anything against her, just her role. We'll talk about
that later on because I have to tell you what
STATS has done. Stats New Zealand has just put out
an urgent media release to tell us what PSI we
made a mistake. What STATS did when calculating the latest
inflation numbers not important, by the way, being sarcastic, obviously

(01:03:58):
very important. What they did when they did the latest
inflation numbers was they forgot to put something in and
as a result, the inflation number was wrong. So they
forgot to put in vehicle relicnsing fee increases. As a result,
they got the inflation number wrong by zero point one percent,
which means that the annual inflation figures should be two

(01:04:20):
point six not two point five, and the quarterly inflation
should be one, not zero point nine. Now, if if
it was just the first time that STATS had done
it, it wouldn't be a big deal, would it. But I
don't know what the hell is going on at stats.
But they're not very good with numbers, which seems like
a fundamental problem if you're working at stats n Z.

(01:04:41):
Because do you remember in December when they overshot how
many people had lost their jobs in Wellington? They were
like twenty thousand people had lost their jobs. Everybody freaked out.
It was only two thousand and completely they blew the
numbers out. Anyway, I don't know what you do about it.
If you can't do your basic job, we'll just leave that.
They will just leave that, not talk about it too much.
Speaking of stats, those see p numbers. Here we go.
This is this is in in a pillows. We're buying

(01:05:04):
more pillows, but out a Douvey innas. Apparently we don't
buy that many douve Inas. I don't know how you
account for that. Have we have? We bought the maximum
number of douveyennas as a country that we can, and
we just don't need to buy anymore because the cupbods
are full of Douveeners. Who can explain. In are smart
watches and wearable devices. That makes sense because everybody's got
one of those smart watches reading your heart rate while
you sleep at the moment. But out are electric fan heaters.

(01:05:27):
In out also weirdly as chainsaw higher, maybe because we've
all bought the chainsaws in a music lessons out our
home home telephone line rentals and associated services like voicemail.
But here's the thing. They've just just started counting streaming
services for the inflation number amongst the things that you buy.
And they have just got rid of the price of

(01:05:50):
pre recorded DVDs and Blu ray discs. So up to
now when they got their little inflation number together, they
were still looking at how much you were paying for
you DVDs. Isn't that funny because when was the last
time you bought a DVD? Like, seriously, when was the
last time you brought a DVD? Has it only just
have stats only just realized we don't buy DVDs anymore?

(01:06:11):
What given what I told you before, wouldn't be surprising,
would it? Katy Hanaffin of a New Zealander's next.

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Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
Evening coming up in the next hour, We're going to
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and Ende Brady's out of the UK for US at
seven past six. Now in New Zealand has done away
with climate targets, but has instead replaced it with its
first emissions guidance. Now the airline wants to reduce net

(01:07:00):
green house gas emissions from jet fuel by twenty to
twenty five percent. And you'll remember last year Airline abandoned
its carbon targets at the time blaming it on a
shortage of new aircraft availability and also the high price
of sustainable jet fields. Kitty Hanafan is Air New Zealand's
chief sustainability and corporate affairs officer and with us now,
Hey Candy, hello, how are you well? Thank you? What's
the difference between targets and guidance?

Speaker 22 (01:07:23):
So a target is a static goal, and what we're
doing is because we couldn't achieve the target we set
and had to pull out of it last year, we
wanted to have something back in the market that we
could be very transparent and honest about how we were going.
So what we're doing is saying what we expect to
do by twenty thirty, but we'll update everybody every year

(01:07:43):
to sort of give a realistic appraisal of how we're tracking,
you know, given what's happening in the world or you
know in the markets, or how saf scaling up. So
it's just a different, more transparent approach.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Okay, and so how do you expect to do it?
I mean, how much are you going to have to
rely on sustainable fuel, which, as you guys have said,
is so expensive a lot.

Speaker 22 (01:08:04):
It's the main way that airlines will decarbonize, I think,
and it's probably quite timely from some of the discussions
that have been heaven that are having been had at
the moment around the world. We're going to have a
bit you know, we're going to have some residual emissions
left and we'll have to use carbon removals as well.
We know that, but by by far the greatest leaver

(01:08:24):
that we have is the use of sustainable aviation fuel.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Is it going to push up the price of the
air tickets.

Speaker 22 (01:08:31):
It's a really good question. At the moment, it's not
because we're using such a small quantity, but it is
expensive and we've got a really significant piece of work
underway now to work out how we can bring the
cost down. And there's a few ways we can do that.
We can sort of enter long term off take agreements
which are much more affordable. We can buy it from
markets that are subsidized like the US, and we can

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and we can obviously help with supply. So why it's
so expensive at the moment is because there's hardly any
of a level. So the more demand there is, the
more supply they will be available and that will help
get the price down.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
So how much do you think, like, what does it
add to the price of a ticket at the moment?

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Nothing?

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
And in the long term once you're actually buying it,
and really fine.

Speaker 22 (01:09:15):
We don't know, like, you know, rough of the you know,
we see the back of the envelope, you know, maybe
a few dollars for you know, for a ticket domestically,
but that's not how we do, it would probably look
to sort of to make it fair. So obviously international
travels much more emission heavy than domestic travel. We want
to look after the price of traveling in New Zealand.
We're going to try and sell a lot of the

(01:09:36):
scope three parts of the SAF to third parties to
businesses who want to reduce their own emissions. So big
organizations like Microsoft and Apple are buying parts of airlines
SAF to reduce their own emissions. So that's what we
want to do to see if we can commercialize it
to take the burden off our own flyers.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Now I want your take on something. I have been
watching what's going on with the Paris Agreement right and
I just like it to Chloe Swarwick about it about
just over half an hour ago, and she could tell
me that she believed the Paris Agreement will hold. Do
you think it will hold?

Speaker 22 (01:10:11):
Oh gosh, that's such a good question. Look, it's not
a question I can't really answer. It's an agreement that
government's entered and I guess centered on the back of
what they thought was, you know, excellent advice from hundreds
of scientists. You know, I guess it's the world's Global
Climate Framework and that's really important.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
There was near.

Speaker 22 (01:10:34):
Agreement to join it from governments and there's actually some
really good progress being made with technology. And ironically, I
guess you're referring to what Tony Bleasbean saying the UK
have been doing probably one of the best out of
all the countries in the world. I think it's really
important that governments and businesses like ours commit to decarbonizing.
And our own twenty to fifty goal was not part

(01:10:56):
of the Paris Agreement, obviously because we're not a government,
but we do have our own twenty fifth and net
zero emissions go and we know we're very determined and
committed to getting there.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
So tell me what I mean, because you must have
thought about this, or because I know you care about
this deep a lot. What happens, Kitty, What happens the
US pulls out right, they've already done it, And then
what happens if the UK abandons it, and bit by bit,
all these larger countries start to fall out of the
Paris Agreement or realize it's completely it's overly ambitious, they
can't meet the targets. Smaller countries like ours realize we

(01:11:27):
are also then going to be left doing way more
than our fair share, so we abandon it. Where does
it leave Are you still there?

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Yeah? I'm here?

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Oh sorry?

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Which had a little beet there And I thought she's
bailed out before answering this hard question. But where does
it go?

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Off it too hard?

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Where does it leave an airline?

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
If all these countries have bailed out, where doesn't it
leave an airline sitting there pushing up its own prices,
trying to do the right thing, but abandoned by all
the countries.

Speaker 22 (01:11:54):
It's a really good question. And I guess you know,
the most positive thing I can say is that in
New Zealand is not alone in our ambitis like, we
are part of every global airline wanting.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
To do this work.

Speaker 22 (01:12:03):
So this is a global action from aviation. It's not
just a New Zealand out on a limb, but generally,
like pulling away from climate action a country by country
would be a death by a thousand cuts and I
and that would be regrettable for everybody, not just aviation,
but for all industry. And I guess it will come
down to decisions between the cost of action versus the

(01:12:26):
cost of inaction, Because what I can tell you is
that doing nothing and having to navigate adaptation or response
to climate damage will be incredibly costly as well. So
I think, you know, and we are trying to be
more realistic. You know, we couldn't do what we committed
to last year, and so this is us trying to
be much more honest and pragmatic and realistic about what

(01:12:47):
we can do. But it's still ambitious, and it's still
going to stretch us, and we're going to do everything
we can to push ourselves harder.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
But I think because I think, yes, of course, I
think you guys are part of the problem in the sense,
like from your perspective, right, so you are just doing
as a corporate what all these countries are going to do.
Look at the ambition, realize it's impossible, and pull back,
and therefore the climate just keeps getting hotter.

Speaker 22 (01:13:15):
Well, we're still we are going to rid our emissions
by twenty thirty. So we are taking absolute or gross
emissions out of our business, and that's what we have
to do. We are take you know, we are using
less still, we're going to be burning less carbon and
we're you know, we are tracking the right way, and
that's what we all have to do. So it's possible
we couldn't. We couldn't, you know, because of things are
outside of our control. Don't mean to make excuses like

(01:13:35):
around fleet or SAFF. We couldn't get to the level
that we thought we might be able to. But we're
still we're still going really hard and we're still going
to make a difference. And you know, it all counts.
Every you know, every decimal point of carbon savings makes
a difference, and I think that's worth fighting for.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
Hey, Kitty, thank you. I really appreciate having chat to
you about it. It's Katy hanafan Chief Sustainability and Corporate
Affairs officer at in New Zealand here that the Ponzi
scheme of carbon is over. What The more that I
watch what's happening right now, the more I talk to
people like Kitty Hannafin, Chloe Swarbrick, people who actually deeply
committed to trying to save the planet, the more convinced
I am this thing is over. The Paris Agreement is

(01:14:12):
going to fall over. And the closer we get to
twenty thirty, that's our first target we have to meet.
The closer we get to that, we will start to
realize at that point. The closer we get, the more
we will realize that we cannot meet these targets and
we're going to fall away from them. I'm happy to
make that prediction now, and I'm sure that there will
just be mounting evidence as we get closer to it.
Hither this is on the stat's New Zealand CPI basket.

(01:14:33):
Here the monitored home alarms and now out of the
CPI basket because most of them require a copper phone line.
And once you add the mobile or the Wi Fi
module to the alarm, you can actually monitor it yourself,
so you don't get other people to monitor anymore because
you don't need to because the Wi Fi means you're
monitoring on your phone, aren't you? That makes sense? Quarter
past six.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
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Speaker 14 (01:14:58):
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Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
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made from real fruit. They've only got twenty calories per can.
And what's interesting is that this new range has been
craft brewed for three days.

Speaker 13 (01:15:34):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
That sounds like a long time, but it actually makes
sense because it's three days to lock in all those
incredible flavors. And honestly, you would not expect anything less
from Bunderberg. They care about making stuff that just tastes
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Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
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Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
Nineteen past six and Liam Dan, the Herald's business editor
at Larger as with meleam allow. Hello, Now I want
to talk to you about the unemployment data. But first
have you seen what Stats has just done?

Speaker 9 (01:16:06):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Yes I did, kind of made me laugh.

Speaker 23 (01:16:09):
I shouldn't should it?

Speaker 10 (01:16:10):
Did it make it?

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Why did it make you laugh because it's such a
basic error.

Speaker 23 (01:16:14):
Well, yeah, it's kind of basic ra So they forgot
to add the increase to car registration. So so it
turns out inflation was actually two point six percent in
the last quarter, not two point five. But the bit
that kind of made me laugh was but we're just
going to leave it there.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
You know, why are they doing that? Because why wouldn't
they want to update it to be accurate.

Speaker 23 (01:16:34):
I don't know. Maybe maybe it's more complicated to unwind it. Obviously,
all the economists in the Reserve Bank and everyone are
going to see that and they're going to you know,
they're going to know. I don't I don't think it's
going to be hugely material to what the Reserve Bank's thinking.
But yeah, I'm not sure. Is it too hard to
change the website? That's I mean, the main thing is
just the headlines. It's number sits there on the website.

(01:16:56):
Maybe it's yeah, So William, this is.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
Not good for stats. Do you remember at the end
of last year when they counted how many people had
lost their jobs in Wellington and they said it was
twenty thousand and it was like only ten percent of that.

Speaker 23 (01:17:09):
Yeah, look they're under it must be under a fair
bit of pressure while you were away too. In one
of the last you know, sort of conferences with Adrian
or you know, they it was Select Committee in fact,
actually they the Reserve Bank, you know, kind of were
using it as an excuse and it looked like an
excuse for some of the forecasting that hadn't been great.
But they were saying, look, we're just not getting the

(01:17:31):
numbers we want from stats and Z we're not confident
in the you know, those GDP numbers that there was
huge revision lay. So you know, we take with a
grain of salt from the Reserve Bank under under pressure
to Select Committee. But you know, they were arguing that
that it needed to be better resourced. I wonder whether
it's resourcing or prioritization. Obviously the government's got no money

(01:17:54):
to resource it, but they need to and have said
that they maybe need to look at where they're focusing
and what the numbers are that really matter, because there's
a whole bunch of other numbers that you know, kind
of nice to have interesting bits of Kiwi information that
get counted that I just I think we're going to
need to get these basics, right.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Yeah, totally. So who puts out the unemployment numbers?

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Yeah, he'll be status.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
So and it is it is.

Speaker 23 (01:18:22):
It is nuanced stuff. You know, you'll get. So we're
talking about whether it goes up to economists talking about
where it goes up from five point one to five
point two or five point three, so you know, the
margin ever era again is pretty pretty tight. Although you know,
if it goes up from five point one to five
point three, that that I think a quick count would

(01:18:42):
be another six thousand people out of work. So it's
you know, it's pretty real. You know, there's the current
number on classified as unemployed at the last count was
one hundred and fifty six thousand, so yeah, pretty significant, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
Too, right leam listen, thanks very much, appreciate it, Liam Dan,
the Herald's Business editor at large, Heather Trump is looking
to be right on the Paris Agreement. It's a load
of crap. That's from Trevor Well. This is a chicken
and egg scenario with Trump and the Paris Agreement, isn't it.
I mean, I think we all could anybody with half
a brain who actually paid a little bit of attention,
just took the time to look at it, would have
said a very long time ago, this is completely impossible,

(01:19:20):
and this is nothing more than just basically a wish
list that you will like, Basically, you know, writing a
list to Santa about what you'd like for Christmas. You
know that there's no Santa. You know it's not going
to happen, and you know the Paris Agreement's not going
to happen. But the reason that it's falling apart, I
would say probably the reason it's falling apart at pace

(01:19:41):
right now is probably because Trump pulled out and sort
of precipitated what was already going to happen. But he's
just sped it up. But yeah, you're right, Trevor's right.
Trump will in time probably be proved right by having
just looked at it and gone load of nonsense get
out six twenty three, whether.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
It's macro microbe or just playing economics.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
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Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
Hey, it was only a matter of time. Karmala was
going to be back at some stage and Karmala is back.
She's made her first major speech since Donald Trump took office,
not happy about the state of things in the US
at the moment, and really made an effort to explain
why she's upset at Donald Trump. But some things don't change,
and that is a Karmala word salad.

Speaker 24 (01:20:28):
What we are in fact witnessing is a high velocity
event where a vessel is being used for the swift
implementation of an agenda that has been decades in the making.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
Heather Duplicity alan Fully, no one has any idea what
she was saying at all whatsoever. We're going to go
to Ukraine just after the half past. They're gonna have
a chat there about what's going on with the minerals
deal and whether the Ukraine people of the Ukraine are
going to be happy with it, and so on. Back
to just back to my second new favorite topic of
the day, first being obviously the Paris Agreement's going to

(01:21:11):
fall apart at some stage. David Seymour and what he's
going to do to the ministries. This is why we
need to get rid of some of these ministries and ministers,
right the Minister for Women. So today the minute.

Speaker 13 (01:21:21):
And I do.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
I just want to say at the outset, I've got
no nothing against the actual person, Nicola greg She seems
to be doing a fantastic job, but she is the
Minister for Women and that's a stupid thing, the Minister
for women. So today she launched an online toolkit aimed
to help women in the public eye address on and
offline harassment and abuse. The toolkit can be found on

(01:21:41):
the Ministry for Women website. It includes practical guidance to
help women in public roles navigate harassment, plan respond, and
say visible on their own terms. So it's basically just
like a little bit of advice on if you're getting
bullied how to deal with the bully. Now, look, if
you're a woman in the public eye, you probably know

(01:22:02):
how to use Googles. You're probably an adult, right, so
you can google it, just go on the internet. But instead,
what we've done is we've paid some public servants to
go on the internet and then get that information together
and put it a nice little toolkit, and we've paid
somebody to put it on the website, and then we've
paid somebody to come up with a launch event. Can
you see why we this is self justification just cut
the role and then we don't have this nonsense justifying

(01:22:22):
the role headlines.

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Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Wondering why New Zealand Music month first of May, so
you know you can celebrate it for the remained all
of May. Go hard and just bang out these old tunes.
It's twenty four away from seven. After months of tense
negotiations and that meeting in the White House, Ukraine and
the US have signed a minerals deal now. Under the deal,
the two countries would share profits from the sale of
Ukraine's mineral reserves in the future, and Ukraine is believed

(01:23:15):
to have vast reserves of critical minerals like graphite, titanium
and lithium. Ewan MacDonald is the editor of New Voice
of Ukraine and with US. Ewan Hello, Hello, is this
a good deal for Ukraine.

Speaker 10 (01:23:29):
It's a better deal than the one that was offered previously.
Ukraine has been negotiating for a long time with the
US administration about this deal. It was not seen positively
at first, I think in Ukraine because it seemed to
be exploitative of Ukraine. Ukraine is in a bad situation

(01:23:49):
at the moment, under attack by Russia. The war is
going on, lots of damage done this one. This deal
appears to be better because it does actually include the
idea that the US might invest actual military aid things
like air defense systems as part of its contribution to
the fund. So I think this deal will be taken

(01:24:13):
a bit more positively in Ukraine than it was before.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
So will I mean, given that, what we should probably
take from the deal is that the US is now
financially involved in whether Ukraine actually comes out of this. Well,
should Putin be worried about this deal being signed.

Speaker 10 (01:24:30):
Yeah, it's not good news for put In because what
it does is it binds Ukraine and US together, improves
the relationship which Putin was obviously trying to undermine and
has been trying to undermine ever since the US started
to engage with Russia as part of this peace process.
The deal is not really I wouldn't say it's part

(01:24:53):
of the peace process because it's focused on the reconstruction
of Ukraine after the war has ended. But it maybe
takes us a little bit down the road more towards
actually starting to poke about peace. Maybe the US will
be more engaged in trying to achieve a peace settlement
because basically no progress has been made on that so far.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
What are the real reason do you think that Pusian
announced that cease fire for next week?

Speaker 10 (01:25:21):
The Seaspire dates coincide with Russia's Victory Day, which is
on May ninth, when traditionally Russia holds a large military
parade in Moscow. Russia's air defense systems have proved to
be not very effective against Ukrainian drones, and Ukraine now
has drone forces and missiles capable of striking targets in

(01:25:44):
Moscow and beyond. So this is in Ukraine. It's quite
clearly seen as basically a cynical way of Putin to
hijack the idea of peace in order to protect his
parade and make sure that there are no embarrassing moments
his foreign guests are in Russia for this parade.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
And you and do you think that Ukraine will honor that?

Speaker 10 (01:26:10):
It is usually Ukraine goes along with these Russian unilateral
cease fires which are not really cease fires at all
because Russia tends to keep firing anyway. It uses these
cease fires to improve its positions, bring up logistics and
troops to the front, unmolested by Ukrainian drones. So Ukraine

(01:26:35):
will probably what usually does is says it will go
along with it. But if the Russians fire, then Ukraine
will respond in kind, and usually the Russians fire.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
Now you and what are the chances that this piece
deal that has been has been proffered by the US,
where you know, there would be this massive concession of
land by Ukraine. What are the chances that this thing
actually squeaks over the line.

Speaker 10 (01:27:01):
Very little chance, because of the political situation in Ukraine,
which is very much against just handing over land for peace.
That is not the roots of the conflict are not
really to do with land, is to do with political
control of Ukraine and the very idea of Ukraine being
a sovereign, independent state. Russia wants to destroy Ukraine basically

(01:27:25):
in that and make it a sort of a vassal state. Also,
the peace deal, although it seems to give a lot
to Russia, doesn't really give it all it wants. Again politically,
it wants control of Ukraine and so there's also going
to be pushed back from Russia and they don't like
the deal either, even though it appears to be far
more beneficial to Russia than to Ukraine.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
So what's it going to take to make the steel work?

Speaker 10 (01:27:52):
It would have to involve real negotiations between Russia and Ukraine,
the US as a mediator. At the moment, the US
is just going presenting a plan to Russia and then
taking it to Ukraine to say, to see if it
likes it. Ukraine also and then it goes to Ukraine

(01:28:14):
and with another plan and says can we do this?
Ukraine agreed to cease fire fifty days ago that was
offered by the Trump administration but was never taken up
by the Russians. So there would have to be a
proper peace process really with contacts between Ukraine and Russia
through a mediator. Probably the moment is a sort of

(01:28:35):
shuttle diplomacy which is not achieving any results.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
You and it's good to talk to you. I really
appreciate you talking us through it. Thanks mate. Ewan McDonald
who is the editor of New Voice of Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Heather do for see Alan, does Ukraine.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
Get their land back?

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:28:47):
Aaron.

Speaker 4 (01:28:48):
That all depends on what happens here from here on.
It doesn't sound like that certainly doesn't sound like they're
going to give it up now, Lord Lord. And I'm
telling you this. I'm not telling you this actually because
it's New Zealand music math. But it's a happy it's
a happy moment that it is that. But also Lord
has announced that her new album is going to be
out in about eight weeks time. She's announced the launch date.

(01:29:08):
It's out June twenty seven, and she's released the cover
photo and that apparently, apparently it's a bit controversial because
it's the X ray of her pelvic her I'm assuming
it's hers, could be anybody's of a pelvic area X
ray of a pelvis with a zipper and a belt buckle.
I'm explaining this to you because I had to get
answer to explain it to me because I looked at
it and I said, ants, what's that? And it was

(01:29:29):
her zipper, a zipper and a belt buckle and looks
like some sort of like a marina or something. And
if you don't know what a my arena is, I'm
not explaining it to you.

Speaker 25 (01:29:37):
Just to be fair, yea hither you recognize that one
by yourself. I didn't have to help you out with that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
One, because, yeah, once I knew it.

Speaker 25 (01:29:43):
Was belt buckle, I see a belt buckle on that one.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
Yet, once I knew what part of the body like,
once I understood, he gave me some landmarks that I
figured out the rest know.

Speaker 25 (01:29:51):
The us of doctors. It clearly wasn't the head.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
No, it wasn't the head. Now listen, Okay, here's the
thing about this. Okay, so producer Sam, who I don't
know if you've met Producer Sam, but producer Sam is
the jet is the junior in the squad, and Producer
Sam is new. Producer Sam happened while I was a
maternity leave and I arrived and then he was there,
and so he is part of the squad and he's
set himself up. But he's not very good with money

(01:30:15):
because he woke up this morning and paid ninety dollars
for Lord's album. And I didn't understand this because I'm
going to get Lord's album for free on Spotify. So
I was like, why are you paying ninety dollars? Like
what is arriving that you've paid ninety dollars for because
it's arriving on my phone. And he said, what happened
was he woke up this morning and he saw that

(01:30:36):
Lord had released because this is the thing that they
do now, these artists, because they're all about to make
a buck in a clever way, because you know, they
can't make it through CD sales and stuff, so they
release it on vinyl now, and they don't just release
one version on vinyl, but they release about four versions
at a time. So you can get the JB High
Fi Special Edition, you could get the standard, you can
get the one that you know blows fireworks when you

(01:30:56):
play it, you could get the one that's autographed. So
he saw that in the it had sold out in
less than an hour, and he freaked out. And that,
by the way, is a marketing gimmick.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Sam.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
It didn't sell out in less than an hour because
that's how many people wanted it. It's sold out in
less than an hour because they released so few that
it's you know what I mean, like we've been here before,
haven't we anyway, because we've been weren't born yesterday. But anyway,
Sam freaked out, so he paid ninety dollars for a
vinyl old school that is autographed, and that apparently when
you play it has a picture, it develops a picture

(01:31:28):
as you play it, which apparently I didn't know that
these things could do. But this is what vinyl technology
does now. So Sam is gonna But now here's the
problem for Sam. He doesn't want to ruin the picture,
so he's going to have to buy He's gonna have
to buy another one that is a stock standard one
that he can play. Do you see how he just
got played by Lord? Well done?

Speaker 10 (01:31:48):
Lord.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
You don't need financial literacy classes, do you?

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Were?

Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
Off to the UK next? It's quarter too.

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Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
News Talks Envy.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
Twelve away from seven. Inde Brady, a UK correspondent, is
with us evening. Inda.

Speaker 9 (01:32:11):
Hey, Heather, great to speak to you.

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
Okay, So it's a big day for Nigel Farage because
you guys are going to vote on the council elections
and whatnot. But what does success look like for him?

Speaker 9 (01:32:21):
I think it means winning hundreds of seats in the councils.
Across the country and getting into power in county councils
as a first step towards what he believes will be
a n Idel Farage premiership in four years time. Now,
let's not get carried away here. This is an Everestian
task for Farage. But that's the ambition he has set

(01:32:42):
for him and his Reform UK Party.

Speaker 6 (01:32:45):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:32:45):
Right now, I think UK politics is very split. There's
deep unease about Starmar's government. A lot of people are
not happy with some of the changes Starmer has made.
The Conservatives under Kenny Baden are going nowhere. So there's
there's lots of fractures and splits and Farage is getting
a lot of air time as he always does, and
his view is that this is the council election where

(01:33:08):
Reform get into power in some county councils and show
what they can do. But make no mistake, he's got
huge ambitions.

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
I mean, look, what are the chances that he takes
as many seats as the Tories.

Speaker 9 (01:33:23):
I think that is absolutely possible. I think the Conservatives
will lose hundreds of seats. I think Labor will lose
hundreds of seats, and the person who will benefit the
most now it may well be just the protest vote.
One thing that's interesting here today. Just on a side note,
in terms of turnout, historically low turnout in council elections
at this time of year, it is going to be
the hottest May day in English history. It's going to

(01:33:45):
hit twenty nine celsius today in parts of the south
and the southeast. It may even hit thirty percent thirty celsius.
So what we're looking at is perfect conditions.

Speaker 15 (01:33:54):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:33:54):
It's not as if it's going to be lashing rain
all day and people will look out the window and
say I'm not going to vote. I think voter turnout
will be higher than the media are saying, and for
as will benefit. You know, he's saying all the right things.
What he needs to do is turn a protest vote
into an actual movement and get the mechanics of a
political party that can take power in four years time.

(01:34:16):
I don't think he can, but that's what he needs
to do.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
YEA very interesting all right? And where are we at
with the Birmingham Bins strike?

Speaker 9 (01:34:23):
More meetings today? Would you believe this is week eight now?
There are still thousands of tons of rubbish all over
the streets of Birmingham week eight, as I say, and
the council leaders are sitting down today with the union leaders.
There's talk of now removing pay from the drivers of
the lorries as opposed to the guys and girls who
actually pick up the rubbish. So it's getting quite acrimonious.

(01:34:46):
But I think the anger they're very lucky in Birmingham
that there are no council elections for some reason. Birmingham
is not having elections today because I think every single
one of those councilors will be out on their backsides
the level of failure of leadership we've seen over this issue.
Can you imagine eight weeks without having your bins picked up?
And as I say, twenty nine celsies today, how's that

(01:35:07):
gonna smell?

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
Hmm, that's not good at all. Hey, Inda, thanks very much, appreciate.
It's Inde Brady, our UK correspondent, Heather. Is your Sam
the same Sam that Hoskins winds up in the morning? No, No,
it actually is different. But listen, there's a thing that
happens here at News TALKSB and it's really weird. But
most of the male producers are called Sam and all
of the female producers are called Laura. And so what

(01:35:31):
it does is it it's just because how this basically
works is that people like myself in Hosking and Ryan
and Kerry are divas, like just tantrums about everything, tantrums
about tantrums about the printer, tantrums about that. I don't
know if you heard Hosking having a tantrum about the
hot tap yesterday, but he just did on air what
I did off fair and we got a jug as

(01:35:51):
a result. He got a thermist del of it. He'll
tell you about that tomorrow, I'm sure. Just lots of
tantrums from the hosts. And what they've realized is that
it's just too much for the hosts to have to
get to know people. So they just get that the
only people that they will hire and to produce the
jobs of people with the same names, because it's we
don't want to have to learn another thing. I don't
want to Dave. I don't need a Dave. I've got

(01:36:12):
an ants and of Sam and that's enough. And he's
got a Sam and a Glenn and that's enough. And
I've got a Laura and he's had a Laura, and
I've had a Laura before. In fact, I've had three Lauras.
So we're just what we're trying to do is we're
just trying to manage the divas. That's all that's going
on here. And I tell you what, who's Kerry got again?
Is it a Laura? Or to Helen? When Helen leaves it,

(01:36:33):
she's probably the fifteenth Helen that Carry's had. When Helen leaves,
she'll get another Helen because we're not going to tolerate
anything else. Ight away from seven, it's.

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Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
By the way, weird thing, you know, I was telling
you at the start of the program about Elon Musk
and you know, maybe getting eventually replaced as the CEO
over at Tesla and whatnot. He tuned up. And part
of the reason is because he's spending so much time Washington.
He turned up in Washington today at the US Cabinet
meeting wearing two baseball caps like he was wearing a cap,

(01:37:08):
and then he was wearing a cap on top of
that cap.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
Yeah, well, miss present.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
You know they say I wear a lot of hats
and as you can see that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Even my hat has a hat.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
He's weird like that is a weird thing to do.
Very quickly. Got to tell you coppers. You know we've
been talking about the fitness test on this program. It
doesn't appear that that is the biggest problem that we've
got with our police graduates. Whether they can run and
jump into all those things, it's whether they can drive.
Because one of them has just graduated, and at the
start of last month, about a month ago, about six

(01:37:46):
o'clock in the evening Wellington, north of Wellington, not far
from Port to Partimatter road rolled the car multiple times,
not chasing anyone, not going to an emergency, no lights,
no sirens, but just crash. The car just crashed it
so badly it rolled multiple times and the copper and
the copper's passenger also a copper, had to go to hospital.

(01:38:06):
The cops won't confirm whether there was excess speed. But
I didn't come down with the last shower, and you
and I know they took the car out for a whoon,
didn't they. So maybe driving skills lacking, maybe brains as well.
Maybe we need a brain test and.

Speaker 25 (01:38:20):
Outlook for Thursday by a did smash play us out
to this, yep, yep. Sir Dave Dobbyin, believe it or not,
has never played a solo gig at the Auckland Town Hall,
which is weird because the Eakland Town Hall has been
around even longer than he has.

Speaker 7 (01:38:31):
But there you go.

Speaker 25 (01:38:32):
But he's going to break that, break that duck on
June the fourth. He's going to be playing a solo
show there. He says. There'll be some of the deep cuts,
there'll be some of the the anthems. Is going to
do the whole lot. If you're not in Norkland, don't worry.
He's still actively touring, so I'm sure he will have
other shows.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
Tell them what you did, tell them what you nearly
did at what.

Speaker 25 (01:38:47):
The song all? I was going to do a Slice
of Heaven because that's herbs in it as well, and
I was trying to do you know, New Zealand music
mus try and represent as media.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
Like playing that's like playing that annoying crowded house song.
What's the annoying crowded house song? Oh, you know the
one that they played in America, you know the one
everybody knows. Don't even mention it because somebody who's gonna
have an earworm, but you don't play that song.

Speaker 25 (01:39:06):
I think a lot of the audience of fans of
the old.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
And you don't relay slice of Heaven.

Speaker 25 (01:39:11):
I just think a lot of the audience would a
white slice of Heaven. But that's okay. They were like
this too, It's.

Speaker 4 (01:39:15):
Fine, okay, enjoy it. I think I might go to
this because it's Dave Dobbin, and Dave Dobbin is a
living legend. See you tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
News.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
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