Full Show Podcast: 01 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
You Stall said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today.
Nurses are worried about what's going to happen when police
stop attending some mental health callouts from Monday. We're gonna
have a chat to them about that. The fundraiser for
suicide and Dunedin has permission to serve alcohol. We will
talk to the woman behind it and we'll get you
across the abs with Alliott Smith and the big football clash,
I guess you can call it with the boss of the.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
AFC, Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
So the Haka drama is back today, isn't it? Because
Joe Mahler has now backtracked completely on what he said
and has apologized for it, and specifically has apologized to
New Zealand fans for in his words, my excuse me,
my poorly articulated tweet earlier in the week, I meant
no malice, New Zealand. What have you done? Are we

(01:02):
honestly that sensitive about the hucker that we can't handle it?
When a rugby prop right, not known as the brains
of the Bunch, A Rugby prop criticizes the Haucker and
a little social media post on x we really can't
handle this? What did we do to him? What did
we do? Did we bombard him on Twitter? Because I

(01:25):
feel like that's what happened here in it. That's why
he deleted his Twitter account for a while, isn't it. Listen?
I think that we may have to get a little
bit of a change going about how we perceive the
all Blacks hucker. Yes, it is special to us, and
it quite clearly is very special to the all Blacks
as well, but it's not special to everybody, is it.

(01:45):
I mean, the rest of the world just has to
put up with it, don't they. And so maybe instead
of being so agro at them when they tell us
that they don't really like it, especially the British and
especially Stephen Jones, we should understand that they don't have
to like it, right, They don't have to put up
with us, but they do. We should actually be grateful
that the Rugby Wild indulges us the way that they do.

(02:06):
They let us do the hucker for a start, and
then they let us have all these rules about how
other teams have to respond to the hucker, how close
they can get stuff like that. They try to be respectful,
they face the challenge, they apologize profusely when a plane
accidentally flies over the top of the wrong time. They
don't have to do any of the stuff, and they
definitely do not have to like the thing, and we
shouldn't be so sensitive about it. So let's be honest

(02:29):
about this, right. We do the hucker a lot nowadays
because there are a lot of international tests nowadays, and
it is frankly very nice that the rest of the
world lets us do it. So maybe a little less sensitivity,
a little bit more gratitude. Heather Duper see Alan nine
nine and two is the text number sports huddle obviously

(02:50):
with us after holp us fives, we'll have a chat
to them about that. Now to something else altogether. A
university lecturer has fired shots at the education system, claiming
the number of tertiary students who are functionally illiterate is
at a crisis level. As Sociate professor of sociology at
Canterbury University, Mike Grimshaw believes that we're under educating and overqualifying,
and universities need to return to being institutions for the

(03:12):
elite rather than degree factories and mics with us. Now, hey, Mikey,
how are you very well? Thank you? Why do we
have these people turning up, presumably turning up at university
being functionally illiterate. Why is this happening?

Speaker 4 (03:25):
I think it's a wider societal issue. It's a question
about how we value education. It's what's happening in NZEA,
It's the long effect of COVID, It's social media, and
it's also that push that we should have so many
people coming to university to gain a degree, and yet
how many degree jobs are we actually creating at the
end of the education process. But also once they are

(03:47):
coming in, they are often underachieving for a whole host
of reasons, partly because of what they have left school with,
partly because of what is happening within the university system,
but also also many of them are not really sure
why they're here, and so it's a wider societal issue.
I called it out because there's a lot of discussion

(04:09):
about this in the university, but I sort of feel
I'm like the boy who called out the imprison new
clothes because everyone knows this is happening, but nobody really
wants to talk. And this is unfortunately the power of LinkedIn.
I put a LinkedIn post when gang Busters have got
picked up. It's out there s somely, it's all over
the media. There's been a deafening silence from within the

(04:30):
university itself, which is quite understandable because no one really
wants to have it mentioned that we are one end
of a problem. I mean, we are seeing the ones
who have succeeded n CEA, so that makes us wonder
what is actually happening for those who haven't succeeded. And
that's a wider societal issue that there is all the

(04:51):
way back. I would say, down to primary school, our
funding of education and what we want in our education
system and how we view it as a society.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Mike, how many graduates areay pumping out every year?

Speaker 4 (05:01):
I think from the University of New Zealand it's somewhere
around about forty five thousand, forty to forty thousand, forty
to forty five thousand graduates a year.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
How many of those do you believe are too many?

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Well, we're pumping out forty to forty five thousand, ninety
five percent of them are undergraduate degrees? Are we creating
forty to four? Are we creating that many jobs for
graduates in our society? And I'd say the evidence would
seem to be that we are not. And if we are,
are we seeing the flow throughs in our economy and

(05:34):
our society and productivity, et cetera. And we're not seeing
it there?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
So what do we do? I mean, the problem is
nowadays need you need degrees for things that you did
for jobs that you didn't need degrees for few years ago?

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Right?

Speaker 3 (05:45):
So my job graduated became a journalist, you had you
basically had to have a degree, if not a post
grad for it. And if you graduated in the sixth
or if you left school in the sixties to become
a journalist, you didn't. So can we get around the
f that is an expectation from employers now?

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Well, I think it goes even further back. I mean, really, now,
a three year degree will get you the sort of
job in many ways and a lot of areas that
university entrants would get you thirty forty years, That's.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
What I'm saying. So how many jobs do you reckon?
We actually don't need degrees for, but our employers are
demanding it.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
No, let's say, well, it depends on the areas and
depends on what we want a degree for. Is a
degree just about education for a job? Will? We often
say that a degree is for a whole host of
other issues regarding civic responsibility, cultural outcomes, wider society or outcomes.
And so then the question is have we seen a
increase in those societal, cultural economic outcomes that we say

(06:46):
a degree provides given the exponential increase in those who
are going to university now, and again I would say
we're not. And so that raises a big question as
to well, what are we doing in the university, but
also what do we do in our education system before university?
But also what are employers doing? Why do they require
a degree for jobs that often don't require a degree?

Speaker 3 (07:08):
So what's the downside of someone like me having a degree,
having having gone and spent three or four years at university.
What's the downside?

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Well, there's no downside if you have come out of
that degree education with increased literacy, with increased thinking ability,
critical thinking, if you have expanded your cultural and social
and educational horizons. I'd say It's also been useful if
you've turned up to lectures. One of our big problems
is that we can now you can not you don't

(07:39):
have to turn up to.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
Lectures, that lectures are recorded.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah, so, and we have to make material available. And
so I think this were create. My colleague Joe Gilbert's
written about this as well. We're creating a society where
the expectation is that you don't have to turn up,
you don't have to do ex or y. I've had
colleagues who have said students at up saying, do we
have to read a whole book?

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Lost?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's lost? The essence of what a university or what
university is about, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Well, we have and we're not really sure what education
is about, or what or what education is for. We're
not sure what a university is for. And everyone's going
quiet because the Gluckman Review is on and everyone's worried
about what the Gluckman Review is going to say about
the future of universities. And so we know internationally there
are issues. The same issues are occurring in the USA,

(08:28):
the same issues occurring in Australia. Across in Britain, we're
not really sure what the point of education from primary
school onwards is. And that's a societal question and we
are seeing one end of it within the universities, but
we are seeing the ongoing issues of this right through
the school system. I think in Western culture.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
I think you're onto something here, Mike, thank you very
much for talking us, sir as Mike Grimshaw, Associate Professor
of Sociology, Canterbury University. I mean, it is a thing now,
isn't it. Everybody just goes to university. You're supposed to
go to university because nowadays you basically need a degree
to flipper Burger, don't you. You actually don't. You don't
need a degree to be doing the job I'm doing.
And yet everybody here has a degree. Why God only
knows hither. Remember the old this is read the hucker,

(09:10):
Remember the old saying when in Rome, do what the
Romans do? We need to get over ourselves.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
So when you're in New Zealand, by all means, sit standard,
say what the tea kung is. But when you're in England,
come on, be grateful. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Who will take the White House Results and analysis of
the US election on Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with one
New Zealand Let's get connected news Talk.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Said be.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Sport with the new tap app downloaded today Ri eighteen
bed responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Darcy water Grove Sports Talk hoasters with me.

Speaker 7 (09:43):
Hello Dars, Hello Heather.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
What did Ethan Degroup do?

Speaker 8 (09:48):
It seems an internal issue, so I don't know, maybe
he's constipated.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Well, I feel like going for a run for ninety
minutes or whatever would ac It'd be quite good to
get that out.

Speaker 7 (10:02):
It's none of our business. I'm sure. I kind of
like it if they just said.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Don't ever say it's none of our business.

Speaker 8 (10:07):
Well, if they if they said, look what happens he
did this and this and we did this to him,
and then suddenly all the discussion goes away because at
the moment, like what did he do?

Speaker 7 (10:18):
Did he stay out?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Did he break a cref you we've all gone to
the booze now, haven't we.

Speaker 8 (10:22):
Did he get into a fight, yeah, did he turn
up in someone else's room?

Speaker 7 (10:27):
Did he wear non matching socks? You know? Did he
get a face tattoo?

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Did he get an uber all the way to the
airport from another city?

Speaker 5 (10:36):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (10:36):
I wonder, I mean that couldn't possibly have somebody else.

Speaker 8 (10:41):
So yeah, he's being punished by not being packed. But
I just you know, come on, just tell us did
he have a fight with Scott Robinson?

Speaker 7 (10:48):
How much does did he out drink someone?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
How much does this impact the actual strength of the squad,
because clearly Scott Robertson is taking this game seriously by checking,
checking Dammy McKenzie out and body in right.

Speaker 8 (11:00):
So you know, running courts is that at first at
half back.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Make sacrifice.

Speaker 8 (11:06):
It is, But I think when you look at the
strength of the front row that's not losing too much
and with front rose always losing a prop here there
and really breaking down, we've got fantastic front row. So
I don't know if there's too much of an issue
around the lack of strength.

Speaker 7 (11:23):
I think what it does sho Might Williams. There is. Yeah,
there is competition, and huge competition. To mighty.

Speaker 8 (11:31):
Williams has done very well deputizing and it's like you
drop the ball, some guy's going to come and steal
your jersey. Don't do it, and it's a very key
lesson that's been.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Okay, so we've got about thirty nine minutes and then
we're going to smash the Indians for the third time
in a row, aren't we Yeah.

Speaker 7 (11:47):
But it might take a couple of days. I don't
think we'd have done tonight. We'd like to think. So
the weather that's going to be good.

Speaker 8 (11:54):
The weather forecasts fantastic, so no rain interruptions. We've got
a guy who's scored taking ten wickets in that track
before and ajs Fortel, so he's probably got a bit
of about him. We've got Mitchell Santa the Santana clause,
so I believe it's going to be fitting ready to
go because.

Speaker 7 (12:09):
He was training free. So that's great.

Speaker 8 (12:12):
And I'm looking for someone else to stand up and go, yeah,
pick me like you know, Tom Latham, like like they
all do.

Speaker 7 (12:18):
So who's next?

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Who's in the side to Tom Latham? Scoring more runs
than fifteen he.

Speaker 7 (12:23):
Did last time out? Mate? It was a key part
of it, seventy six I did.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
I missed that in things. I missed the one good innings.
He was superb Oh good on him.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
How do you back?

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Oh, deary, deary, get brilliant cool.

Speaker 8 (12:38):
Now and that so that gets underway, and that means
that pretty much till midnight every night, I'm going to
be I'm.

Speaker 7 (12:44):
Going to a sixtieth on Saturday. How am I gonna
take my phone with me?

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Corning people who are sixty love cricket?

Speaker 7 (12:50):
They do?

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, No, you'll be fine.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (12:51):
I think it's really a sign.

Speaker 8 (12:53):
Now I'm definitely aging because I'm no longer going to
twenty first or thirtieth or fortieth.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
I'm going to sixtieth Now.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I'm just surprised people that old actually have tolerance for you. Darcy,
thank you for coming and appreciate it. See you at seven.
Darcy water Grabe, sports talk host for Lovely. We keep
Heather and you.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
It's Heather Duper c Allen Drive with One New Zealand
Let's get connected and youth talks.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
That'd behither The host left school at sixteen, and he
seems to do okay. I mean there's a case in
point right, you don't need to you don't need a degree.
The job doesn't need a degree anyway. But having said that,
can I say to old mate's point before, Mike Grimshaw,
if you came out of university like I didn't have
to obviously go and study I did. If you came
at diversity though having broadened your mind and learned to

(13:38):
do critical thinking and learned to be interested in a
whole bunch of other stuff, which was my experience, and
it was worthwhile. I'll tell you what, when I retire
in far too far away. But when I retire, I'm
going back to university. I've already got a list of
things i want to go study. I think it's just
a great way to spend your time. But then you
know it's not for everyone, is it? But it is
for me, isn't it. Anyway? If you heard the Mike

(14:01):
King interview with us that landed him in him in
hot water a couple of days ago, you might remember
that we actually were not talking to him about him.
We were talking to him about a fashion fundraiser in
Otago that the cops were trying to block from being
able to serve alcohol because the cops said that serving
alcohol at an event that was raising money for suicide
was quote inappropriate and harmful. Happy news that fundraiser has

(14:22):
just today been given permission to serve alcohol, and just
in the nick of time, because it's happening tomorrow. So
we're going to have a chat to the organizer after
five o'clock at twenty six past four Donald Trump. Now,
Donald Trump is suing CBS for ten billion dollars. He's
alleging deceptive doctrin of the Karmala Harris sixty minutes interview.
Now here's the bit that's irritated him. Right, The original

(14:43):
interview went like this, but.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
It seems that Prime Minister in Netanyahu is not listening.

Speaker 9 (14:49):
Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted
in a number of movements in that region by Israel
that were very much prompted by or a result of
many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen

(15:10):
in the.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Rest word salad. So then a promo of the interviewer
day later, the same question got a much more succinct answer.

Speaker 7 (15:16):
But it seems that Prime Minister Netanya, who is not listening.

Speaker 9 (15:21):
We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for
the United States to be clear about where we stand
on the need for this war to end.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
No word salad, how amazing, CBS says sat part of
the same answer, just a different clip. Dan Mitchinson is
going to talk us through the implications of this when
he is with us very shortly. He'll be with us
in about ten minutes time or thereabouts. Heather, my stepfather
is a retired professor. He can't believe how many postgrads
students can't write essays using basic sentence structures correctly. Basic

(15:49):
erarors like there and there as in like over there
and it was their apple, you know, are common. He's
also been told that the papers that he wrote two
decades ago are now too difficult for current students and
will likely not be used in the future. I believe
all of that. Headlines.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Next, the day's newsmakers talk to Heather First. Heather duper Se,
Alan drive with One New Zealand let's get connected and
news talk z.

Speaker 10 (16:24):
Be Please please please please, yesday.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Barrisota is going to be at less than ten minutes time.
Dan Mitchison is standing by out of the US now.
On Monday, the police are no longer going you remember,
we've been talking about this for a while and it's
happening on Monday. They're no longer going to be dealing
with some mental health callouts. Right, It'll be the low
risk stuff, you know, which doesn't involve criminality or threat
to life or anything like. That's just somebody kind of

(17:04):
having a bit of a bad turn. They're not going
to deal with that. In many cases, what there's been
going on is that the police have them been taking
somebody into ed because they need to be seen because
they're upset and stuff like that and having a mental
health turn, and the cops will just sit with them
for hours on end, hours and hours and hours and
hours until they finally get triaged. That's not gonna happen anymore.
The cops are gonna sit there for an up tour

(17:25):
an hour if they haven't been seeing cops are off,
bye bye. The trouble is, it doesn't sound like it's
Health New Zealand is now supposed to take this sover,
but it doesn't sound like Health New Zealand actually has
a plan for how to take this over, which is
a wee bit it's a wee bit alarming because it's
Friday today and this is happening on Monday. So it's
probably because I've i mean, look to be fair to Health,

(17:46):
to be fair to Health New Zealand, they've had their
hands full with Cannabase, so you know, you can only
do so many things at once, but they're probably gonna
have to get onto that. So We're gonna talk to
the nurses about it. After five twenty three away from.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Five, it's the world wire this on news talks. It'd
be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Both US presidential candidates have been campaigning in Nevada today. Now.
Nevada has voted for the Democrats in the last four
presidential elections, but it's seen as a key battleground this
time around, and Republican voters in Las Vegas are feeling
very optimistic.

Speaker 7 (18:16):
This country needs it.

Speaker 11 (18:17):
We're just being invaded with with illegal aliens, and the
economy's not doing well.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
You mightn't like.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
The person's face, okay, just say that.

Speaker 12 (18:27):
Like my teacher, I hated it, but.

Speaker 11 (18:28):
He was the best and he graduated, and we have
to vote for the person, not for the face.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Good advice. One hundred and fifty eight people have been
confirmed dead in the flash floods in Spain. Floodwaters and
Valencia have subsided, but rescue operations estill underway. This lady
was there when the floods hit.

Speaker 13 (18:44):
The water came very very fast, and we got so
much water calming down coming now, but he wasn't raining.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
It was all the water coming from England. And finally
a butcher in Germany is turning raccoons into meat, bulls
and sausages in Sonami. Now, raccoons are considered pests in Germany,
so hunter and butcher Michael Rice decided to ask the
local officials if he could turn some of the dead
ones into food. And he now sells seven different raccoon

(19:13):
meat products and he's had customers from as far away
as one hundred and fifty k's visit his shop to
try them.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Good get them International correspondence with ends at Eye Insurance,
Peace of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Racoons Down's Delicious. Dan Mitchinson Aalo, Hello, Heather, So, ho's
winning Nevada?

Speaker 5 (19:35):
You know?

Speaker 14 (19:36):
I mean, like you said that the Republicans have had
a stronghold on that, but Kamala Harris is coming up,
and I mean they both were and well Trump was
in Henderson, Nevada, which is a massive growing suburb just
southeast of Las Vegas today and he was in Albuquerque,
New Mexico this afternoon and Harris was at Reno in
Las Vegas. And this is a I mean, these are

(19:56):
battleground states that they're at right now. Harris was releasing
a couple of new app that's today VP candidate jd Vance.
He was on a podcast for another three hours with
Joe Rogan, just like Trump was earlier in the week,
saying that Trump can win the quote normal gay guy vote,
whatever that means, and that the quote and this is

(20:16):
a quote, the normal gay guy vote.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
What is that?

Speaker 5 (20:21):
I wish I could tell you, he said.

Speaker 14 (20:25):
Uh, he said, I wouldn't be surprised if and this
is a quote, not me with poor english, this is
I wouldn't be surprised if me and Trump won just
the normal gay guy vote because they just wanted to
be left the hell alone.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
I'm gonna have to google this now. I have to
know what a normal gay guy vote is, so I'll
come back to that. Okay, So you think Harris has
got you think Harris has gotten a hotisode up yet?

Speaker 5 (20:48):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 14 (20:49):
I think she's I think she's closing in right now.
I mean, there's still a lot of questions about this.
I mean, can can she make enough ground in the
state and the other half dozen key battleground states.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
How long is this going to take? Two once?

Speaker 14 (20:59):
I mean the next time that we talk, most of
the polls next week will have closed. Across the US
Here in the Pacific, they'll still be open for about
another half hour, but we may not know who has
has won the presidential race till the next day or
maybe even forty eight hours after this, and then of
course it could be contested.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Dan listen, I want to know why the stop the
Steel movement has come back, because I've noticed in the
last few days it's really rammed up. How did what
spocked it?

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Yeah, you said to stop the steel?

Speaker 14 (21:27):
Yeah, yeah, Well, basically they're they're trying to I mean,
you've had these activists for months and months that have
been you know, I guess, getting Trump supporters ready to
believe that he, you know, if he loses in this election,
it's going to be through fraud. That is the only
possible way that he could lose. So they have laid
out these proposals to to thwart Kamala Harris from winning.

(21:50):
They've had a former Green Bread that's kind of led
this operation up, and he says, and again this is
a quote, January sixth is going to be pretty fun.
Now today we started, we in the media started getting
notices from law enforcement here in California, as they are
across the rest of the country right now, preparing for
next Tuesday, and they're looking at worst case scenarios. They're

(22:11):
hoping for the best, but you're seeing beefed up security.
You're going to be seeing more barricades and officers around
a lot of the state and the federal offices. And
you know, even the media's hon alert because we know
when they're out covering events like this, they get caught
right in the middle of, you know, the news cycle,
just like we saw back in January the Capital a
few years ago.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Fair enough now, on Donald Trump's suing CBS over the
quote doctoring of Kamala, Harris's answer was when they cut
the answer down, did they only cut it down for
the trailer or did they cut it down for the
actual interview that went to air.

Speaker 14 (22:44):
I think it depends who you ask, because, like you said,
Bill Whittaker, who was the person who was interviewing on this.
They did a preview clip that aired on one show
on Face the Nation, and Harris was asking, as you
heard on your show just a short time ago, why
it seemed like a minister of benjamininiaw who wasn't listening
to the US. So she gave this long rambling explanation,

(23:05):
and then on sixty minutes it was a much shorter
and more abbreviated answer. Now, some may say, well, you're
trying to change the context of what she said, and
others may say, which, we know in this business that
is done. You try to shorten an answer. You don't
intentionally take it out of context. But sometimes there are
rambles and ums and ah's, and it's what you do

(23:25):
to edit an interview down into a certain time that
you have. So CBS is refusing to turn over the
raw tape, and Trump is going for a ten billion
I don't know where he came up with this number,
ten billion dollars in damages, saying that they practice this
deceptive conduct. So again he's making news for the sake
of making news, I guess y.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah. But he's also feeding into something which is very
important here, which is the suspicion amongst voters that there
is amongst some voters that there is the media bias
where the media preferred Karmela and want to protect her.
You know, like you've got the examples of the debates
where he gets fact checked constantly and she doesn't get
fact checked.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
You're yeah, yeah, You're absolutely right.

Speaker 14 (24:07):
And CBS and sixty minutes has long been accused of
being very much left and leaning. ABC was when they
held the presidential debate. And you're right, and I think
you know, viewers are just looking this is another left
leaning attack on well, maybe not on Trump, but something
that's more favorable towards Kamala Harris. And they just were

(24:28):
trying to polish her up and make her look good.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, Dan, thanks very much, man. Not long to go,
Not long to go. Dan Mitchison, our US correspondent to
Kuza Feris of the Mardi Parties in trouble again for things.
He says, Barry So will run us through that situation shortly,
by the way, just quickly. On another situation, this is
the utter teddy situation, the faery that ran onto the
sandy ground. I didn't realize this, but we're going to

(24:52):
have to wait as long as another eighteen months, like
we're waiting till twenty twenty six before we find out
why the crew on board the art te didn't know
that they had to press the button to kill the
autopilot for five seconds. We know that they we know,
but there's going to be two years from the minute

(25:14):
that this thing actually happened back in June. So when
we actually get the answer, two years to find out
why they didn't know that they had to press the
button for five seconds? How apparently it's a complex investigation.
What's complex about this? I mean, surely you go to
the crew and you go, okay, you didn't know that
you had pressed the button for five minutes five seconds?

(25:35):
Did nobody? Did anybody tell you? N Nobody tells us? Okay, okay,
we'll go to the bosses and into islander, into islander.
Did you know you had to press the button for
five seconds?

Speaker 5 (25:42):
Nah?

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Did nobody tell you? No? Nobody tell me? Okay. So
that means we have to go to the people who
made the technology that was installed onto the utter teddy
that changed everything. Did you tell the inter islander they
had to press the button for five seconds?

Speaker 5 (25:56):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Well, there's your problem. How hard is that? Why does
take two years to get that answer? What are they doing?
Are they like telegramming the little telegraph? It's just like,
are they most coding the question to each other and back?
I don't even know. Anyway, It doesn't give you much confidence,
does it?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Quarter to politics? With centrics? Credit check your customers and
get payments.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Certainty, senior political correspondent with US right now at twelve
minutes away from five. Hey, Barry, good afternoon.

Speaker 15 (26:23):
I just say one of the classic quotes from Donald
Trump today, Oh Lord no, yeah. To me, it gives
you an indication of what may come if he loses.
He said, we want a landslide too big to rig.

Speaker 7 (26:39):
Ask yourself what that means.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
That is what I was just talking to Dan Mitchinson
about it. It's to stop the steel movement. Right, Anything
that's tight, he is going to contest and claim that
it's been stolen off him.

Speaker 7 (26:49):
He's already doing that.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
He's setting the scene for Barry. How good is that
FTA with the GCC.

Speaker 7 (26:55):
Well, it's excellent.

Speaker 15 (26:57):
Actually, I remember not that long ago we were talking
about the trade deal with the UAE and that sounded okay,
and I said, well, it's really small beer compared to
the Gulf States. That's what we've been after now, they
say for eighteen years. I remember being there originally with
John Key. We went to Saudi Arabia and places like this.

(27:18):
This well that it encompasses Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait,
Oman and Bahrain. So it's massive. This is very big
two way trade at the moment is only three billion dollars,
but this is a very wealthy part of the world
and it's one of the biggest halal parts of the

(27:41):
world when it comes to sheep meet and you know,
certainly we should be looking forward to this with great
enthusiasm because it is big deal. And even though Tod
Mclair is getting all the accolades today, the renegotiation was
started and on in twenty twenty two. So and that's

(28:03):
officials really that they started it up again because I
remember at the way back at the time when they
originally talked about it, they were essentially telling us that
the ink only had to dry on the contract and
they were about to sign it. Well it never came off.
And you remember that was because of live sheep exports.
Well apparently during the negotiations this.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Time didn't even so I won't even mentioned, which was
only the third FTA that the GCC has signed. Yep,
it's so incredible.

Speaker 15 (28:33):
Yeah they're not, yes, exactly, it is incredible. And for
a country like New Zealand that is rich in food
and particularly.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Cheap, having said that they don't really use a lot
of tariffs, so there's probably not that much of a
desire to get fta's with them, right, No, they don't.

Speaker 15 (28:49):
The tariffs are small, but look the five year faux
phase on most of the tariffs. Under this agreement, the
tariffs are going from five percent, as you say, very
small to zero. And if you look at like sheep
meat at the moment, the trade is not enormous, but
basically it's two hundred and forty five million dollars that's

(29:11):
the red meat exports to this part of the world.
The tariff costs on those are seven and a half million,
But even seven and a half million, that means a
lot to a farmer out there. And if they can
increase that trade, I think it's great news for him.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Okay, what's Takuza Ferris done?

Speaker 5 (29:28):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (29:29):
This man, You'll have to ask yourself, wouldn't you That
Ferris had been questioning Muriel Newman, and some people may
remember her being a former act MP. She was the
founder for the New Zealand Center of Political Research and
the Think Tanks associate director Frank Newman. They were in

(29:50):
front of the Justice Select Committee and it was being
cheered by what would have to be a political newbie
is James Mego uh and he's from Rangatata, but he
seemed to take what was a foul comment in his stride.
Here's Mego just after he cut Ferris's questioning.

Speaker 16 (30:11):
We will be winding the sup now we are looking
over time. So thank you consumement for your submission. We
appreciate your times stuff and the beavers will move on
to our submission. Appensy on law society, we alter it
or thank you forose comments.

Speaker 15 (30:26):
Mister Ferris and what he called him was an effing racist.
And this man does this sort of thing. He's to me,
he's when you look at him with the Maldi party.
Is Labor going to embrace this because if they win
the election, then the Maldi Party will be part of
the mix. And you've got people like this. He's already

(30:46):
before the Privileges Committee for misleading the House and he
most certainly did. And actors wanting to put him back there. Sorry,
they've written to the Speaker.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
I suspect Labor's going to have to rule them out
in order to get across the line. Barry, thank you
very much. Barry Soper, Senior, political correspondences, and we'll read
the political week that was a just after six o'clock
back quarter past six right now seven away from five.
All of the.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Big names are wrong. The mic asking breakfast Boris Johnson.

Speaker 17 (31:13):
I had the best time with him yesterday. I hooked
up with him yesterday morning. I just at the very beginning,
I said, look, look, Boris, can you can you like
give us just thirty seconds on the UK budget?

Speaker 18 (31:23):
You know, business is being how had I just got
a message from a children's clothing business. It's being hammered
by these cats. Is on employment. It will crush enterprise.
It's totally the wrong way for the country.

Speaker 17 (31:36):
Back Monday from six am. The mic asking breakfast at
the rain driver of the last news talk z b.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Oh okay, here we go. I didn't have to because
I actually completely forgotten as well. So I'm glad I
didn't have to google the normal gay guy vote. A
couple of normal gay guys have texted me normal gay
guy here here that it means that you don't subscribe
to the whole LGBT alphabet stuff. That's from Jordan, thank you.
Hither the normal gay guy vote is the gay guy
who's not a left wing radical with blue hair. Cheers Pete,

(32:02):
who is a normal gay guy guys, thank you for
that appreciated. So it's basically and look, there's another name
for them, and I forget what they I'm going to
have to try and remember as long as it's not offensive,
because a lot of things that I know is actually
offensive and I can't say it on air. But it's
kind of like there is this is happening within kind
of that kind of that wide queer community. Is that

(32:23):
you have got the It's no surprise because like I mean,
women don't all think the same, men don't all think
the same, White people don't all think the same. Why
would gay people all think the same. And there's a
real splintering where you've got the ones who are you know,
quite quite agitated and probably pro Karmela, and then you've
got all got quite conservative ones who just want to
sort of you know, have babies and stay at home
and watch movies like me, you know, So that's probably

(32:46):
what that is, the normal gay guy vote. Anyway, that's
enough of me talking about something I have no idea about.
One more day to se quasi, one more data, go
and see quasi if you're in Wellington. Quasi is going
to get chopped off off the Civic Square roof tomorrow.
It's got some Internet if you don't know what I'm
talking about. Its Quasimodo the Hideous Hand. Thank god, it's
gonna go bye bye, ugly getting some international attention. There's

(33:06):
a headline in The Guardian that says relief mixed with
sadness as New Zealand bids farewell to hated giant hand sculpture.
No mate, no sadness, no sadness, just relief and also
kind of stoked that the Aussies are going to get it.
If anybody should be cursed with Quasi's ugly face looking
at them, it's the Australians. We'll talk to the nurses next.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
It is beautiful?

Speaker 15 (33:30):
Is it.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
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Speaker 1 (33:45):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Now.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
There is worry about the fact that the cops are
going to stop attending some mental health call outs next week,
but no one knows exactly how this is going to work.
So from Monday police will not attend what they call
low risk callouts where there's no immediate risk life and safety.
Health New Zealand is expected to pick up the work,
but leaked documents show that only interim standard operating procedures

(34:09):
have been developed. Helen Garrick is the Mental Health Section
chair of the New Zealand Nurses Organization. Hey, Helen, Hi, Heather, Helen,
what's house New Zealand's plan? Who's going to go to
the low risk callouts? If the cops aren't going?

Speaker 19 (34:22):
Well, the plane is still in its I would say infancy.
There's still some work going back and forth between the
unions and Tafara war Are representatives. We anticipate that this
work will fall within the mental health services and in

(34:44):
particular the crisis teams in the mental health services. The
problem is we don't yet have a sufficient workforce to
be able to manage the increase in workload.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Yeah, so do you I mean, do you guys actually
know how this works. So let's say Monday, there's a
call that comes in says somebody's having a mental health crisis.
Normally the cops would go out. Now the cops aren't
going out what do.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
You do well.

Speaker 19 (35:13):
What I'd like to make clear, because I think it
hasn't been clear in some of the narratives, is that
we do not now expect police to go out to
people who are low risk or who are consenting for
treatment and can get themselves to mental health services, or
perhaps their families can get them there. That is not

(35:37):
a police role, and so that isn't changing at all.
What we're looking at is the risk situations where the
person is in such mental distress they're unable to get
themselves into mental health service or perhaps their family is
not able to get them in, and so we need

(35:58):
to be clear these are risk situations that we're talking about.
We're not talking about the police being a taxi service.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
What's going to happen, So the cops are going to
sit with the person in emergency departments for up to
an hour. What happens after that they.

Speaker 19 (36:14):
Will be handing over the person to the emergency department
and the nurses in the emergency department will attempt to
get the Christ's team there as soon as possible. This
is part of the problem. We haven't set up significant
services to be able to address this quickly, and so

(36:37):
the person is likely to remain in v because crisis
teams staff are out doing work in the community. So
there hasn't been a build up of the mental health
workforce to be able to take in this extra workload.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
So you literally may not have enough people to actually
come and sit with this person until that scene.

Speaker 19 (36:58):
No, we don't have enough people. As that person sits there,
I can assure you Christ's teen staff will be in
the community working with people in their homes, attempting to
persuade in some occasions people to come in for treatment.
They will be working fully in the community. They will

(37:19):
come into ED when they can to see people, but
there is no workforce out there to pick up the
sexual work.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Helen, thanks very much, really appreciate your time. Helen Garrick
ends it in no Mental Health Section.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Chair together do for see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Hey, some good news for common sense. That fundraiser in
Dunedin that we were originally talking to Mike King about
a couple of days ago, has now got permission to
serve booze. You'll remember the story. Police opposed the Boo's license,
saying it was inappropriate for a fundraiser for suicide prevention
to have a liquor license, but it got in the
end today anyway. Tagan rose Vickery is the events organizer. Heyitagan, Hello,
how we go? I'm very well. You must be relieved

(37:55):
because this is tomorrow, isn't it?

Speaker 18 (37:57):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Borrow, Yeah, are you relieved? I am.

Speaker 20 (38:02):
I kind of can get back into what I was
meant to be doing today and getting finishing off organizing
the show.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Taking listen from the very outset. This opposition to you,
guys serving alcohol seemed ridiculous to me. Did it seem
as ridiculous to you?

Speaker 20 (38:18):
A little bit?

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Like?

Speaker 20 (38:19):
I could understand where the police are coming from and
where their concerns were coming from. But if they had,
if they wanted to sort of look at mine so indexedly,
then they sort of needed to look at every other
fundraiser that was about any sort of at rescisible health
or mental health. So it did feel a little bit pecky,

(38:41):
feel lack of a bitter word.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, And surely if the point is to assist people
who are trying to deal with, you know, preventing suicide,
then the best thing to do is give them as
much money as possible, in which case you need to
serve alcohol in order to make as much money as possible.

Speaker 20 (38:54):
Right, Well, it's not a need. I'll make that very
real clear. It's not a need to serve our. It
was just sort of when you go to a fashion
show or an event, more often than not, there's an
option to have a glass of wine because it makes it.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
More and then you part with your cash a bit
more freely. That's the point.

Speaker 20 (39:16):
Yeah, it does lessen that people's fockets a little bit
more if they've got if they've got a wine with them,
But most of the proceeds for life matters will be
coming from the raffle sales on the night.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah. Now, on the other hand, I suppose you can't
be too unhappy about all of the publicity you've got,
can you.

Speaker 20 (39:32):
No, I don't. Well, I'm not necessarily disappointed that there's
been a bit of publicity. I am disappointed that the
light that I was trying to shine on mental health
awareness was sort of shadowed by the problem people seem
to have around me serving alcohol at the event, and.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Then presumably also the problem people seem to have with
the Mike King comments. Yeah.

Speaker 20 (39:56):
But yeah, that's a whole other story in itself. But
that's my journey that's got nothing to do with me,
and I'm just out here trying to do my thing.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Well, good luck with your thing tomorrow, Teagan, and thanks
for your time. That's Tegan rose Vickery, the organizer of
this some fashion show is called more than just a
fashion show, Heather, I reckon, there's every chance the arter
Teta will have run around again before the inquiry is concluded.
It is entirely possible. Is another eighteen months, I mean,
one of the chances it just hits another Sandy Beach
in the other eighteen months, who knows, Heather. In the

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for five seconds, your unborn child will have learned to eat, walk,
and probably be doing more talking than they are to you,
which is a fair point, because by then she'll be
out and she'll be what fifteen months and fifteen months,
She's going to be walking, she's going to be eating solids,
she's going to be saying some words. First word. I'm

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Speaker 1 (42:01):
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Speaker 3 (42:04):
Eighteen past five. Now we've had the All Blacks name
their side to face England. It took in him on
Sunday morning, our time, Body Barrett starting at first five,
Jordi Barrett's back from injury, and Ethan de Groot has
been dropped for failing to meet internal standards. Now Elliott
Smith is in England to call the game for US.
Hey Elliott, Hey, Heather. Do we actually know what Ethan
DeGroot has done.

Speaker 21 (42:25):
We don't know. It's been fairly thin on details from
Scott Robertson. I asked him whether it was on field
off field. My understanding is that it's an off field indiscretion,
but details coming few and far between from the All Blacks,
and to this point we don't know what Ethan DeGroot
has done to be stood down for a match. You
think back to earlier in the year, Damien McKenzie wasn't

(42:47):
stood down for missing the team bus earlier in that
trip to San Diego, So for comparison's sake, Ethan de
Groot's mister on the basis of whatever indiscretion or missive
team protocol or standards that he's done on this point,
but we don't know exactly what it will be. He'll
be fit again. We're available for selection again, I should say,
for for next week in Dublin.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
What do you think about Boden Barrett taking the number
ten jersey from Jamian McKenzie. What's happened here?

Speaker 21 (43:15):
Look, I think this is the right move, to be
honest here, the Damien McKenzie's had a real run at
ten this year, started the first eight matches of the season.
Boden Barrett came in and while they didn't set the
world on fire, I thought he was solid in Wellington
and perhaps gives the All Blacks what they need to
steer themselves around the park when they're playing at Twickenham.

(43:36):
Kicking game very very important that it's a strength of
Boden Barrett later on in his career, very good tactically
and game management wise. He's played more than one hundred
and thirty tests now to this point. He started his career,
or started at the starting of his test career, he
was playing at ten and sort of back to the
future a little bit for Boden and Barrett. But I
think this is a good move. It just sharpens up

(43:57):
the All Blacks attack a little bit. A change mid
season to go, Actually, we're going to change our team.
But I think they've given Damien McKenzie enough rope. Now
it's time for a change for the All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Do you think that these guys are in the slightest
concern about Joe Mahler and his absolute muckup of the
Harker cool?

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (44:15):
Look, I think it all won't wind the All Blacks
up necessarily, but they will have noted it. And Scott
Rolinson says he's not the kind of coach that will
pin things on the dressing room wall, but he did
point out that all these players have social media and
you wouldn't have been able to escape the talk about
Joe Mahler this week. They will have noted it. And look,

(44:35):
the hacker is very very important to the All Blacks
as part of their DNA. It's it's something really special
to them. They do it for themselves. They don't do
it for opposition, appause or fans in the cheering on it.
They do it for themselves. And you know, while Joe
marl is entitled to his opinion. I thought it was
a little bit ill timed, but we have these stories

(44:56):
every so often. It seems someone from England will disparage
the hacker. Joe Marler is the person who's thrown out
the bait, and the All Blacks have responded to it.
But I don't think they would really care that much.
I think it would be noted and they would have
moved on. But you know, before kick off, two minutes
before kickoff on Sunday morning, everyone's going to be looking

(45:16):
to see what kind of hark could they do and
what kind of English response we get from it?

Speaker 3 (45:21):
All right, Elliott, thanks very much, Elliott Smith News doalgs
ab Rugby commentator calling the game live and free, four
am Sunday here on NEWSTALKSZB. We just lost our first
wicket in the cricket. By the way, looked up just
in time to see Devin Conway walking off. So it
took us what twenty one minutes? Five twenty one.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
Heather Dupless Allen Drive with one New Zealand let's get
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Speaker 1 (45:44):
As z'd be.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Hey, you know how I feel about Auckland Football Club
versus Phoenix. I think Auckland Football Club's absticantly just smash
the Phoenix. We're going to talk to the guy who's
running the place, Nick Becker, will bet us in twelve
minutes time, twenty four past five. Hands up, by the way,
who's impressed with Todd McLay today. I mean that was
a surprise this morning, wasn't it. He has managed to
finally sign this free trade deal with the Gulf States

(46:06):
that we as a country have been working on for
almost twenty years and got absolutely nowhere until now. And
it is not like we didn't try it. Boy, did
we try to get this thing signed. Do you remember
the Saudi sheep deal where we sent like nine hundred
pregnant us in the hold of a plane to Saudi
Arabia and where we spent millions of dollars setting up
a farm for a sheek in the middle of the desert.

(46:27):
It happened about ten years ago and nothing came of it.
I mean, we tried all of that to get this
deal across the line. That was an epic amount of
sucking up from us and when absolutely nowhere and yet
in walks old Todd McLay manages to pull the thing off. Apparently,
according to media reports, what he did was he basically
met his counterpart from the GCC a few months ago
and he said to the guy, okay, listen, either we

(46:49):
do this deal or we just end the negotiations. And
so they did the deal. They were like, okay, fickle, okay,
stop playing games. We'll just do the deal.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
So they did.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
And it's lucrative. These guys in the GCC. I mean,
these guys love luxury, they love quality, and they have
got money to spend and we want their money. And
we already have a reasonable foothold in that market because
even without an FDA, this is our seventh biggest export market,
so it's only going to get bigger in it now. Honestly,
I have to be honest with you, I was not
expecting this kind of kind of like knocking it out

(47:18):
of the park from Todd McLay. Right, he's only been
in the job for a year as the Trade Minister.
Now he's gone and done this, and he's also put
together the UAE Free Trade Deal in the fastest time
that we have ever put an FTA together, which I
think is about four months or something like that, and
he is grinding it out with all of these visits
to India in a bid to try to get that
FTA to work as well. This is impressive now, if

(47:40):
I'm counting right, He's now signed as many free trade
deals in a year as the last labor government signed
in six years.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
To ever due for ce Ellen Carmel is holding.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Her rally over in Nevada and guess who turned up
j Low.

Speaker 22 (47:56):
We are on the brink of an election that demands
a choice choice between backwards and forwards, a choice between
the past and the future, a choice between divided and united.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
You could not have a more different vibe to what's
going on at Trump. He's outfit. He's talking to Tucker
Carlson sitting on chairs on stage.

Speaker 23 (48:14):
So you said that you were saved in the end
by an angel. How have your views about God changed
in the last eight years and particularly after getting shot?

Speaker 24 (48:25):
Well, look, I've always been a believer, but I wouldn't say.
You know, there's a certain pastor Robert Jeffers, and I
didn't know her name is Robert Jeffers, nice guy from Texas.
And he said, you know, Trump may not be the
best Christian of all. But he's the only one going
to take us to the Promised Land because he's the

(48:47):
best leader, and he's the toughest guy, and he's going
to be able to get us through this crazy life.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Now, which of those two are you going to remember?
You're gonna talk. You remember Trump and Tucker talking about
angels or what j Low said, it's the angels every
day headline.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
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Speaker 1 (49:11):
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Speaker 10 (49:15):
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Speaker 3 (49:22):
Do you really think that either of those events, this
is the Trump and Kamala Harris events, will influence the
way that people vote at that people at those functions
vote no, no, And I don't think for the most
part's going to affect how anybody votes. Quite frankly, this
is just about kind of keeping them, I mean up
being seen to do things. And also for Trump, because
this is his playbook, just you know, getting some some
outrageous headlines out there. As long as we're talking about

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Speaker 1 (50:00):
Six, Heather do for CELA.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Now they're putting on extra security for the football in
Wellington tomorrow. This is of course the first big derby
between the Wellington Phoenix and the newcomers Auckland FC. And
the Phoenix reckon that there have been threats of organized
violence from visiting fans on social media.

Speaker 24 (50:15):
Now.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Nick Becker is the CEO of AFC and with us.

Speaker 6 (50:18):
Hey Nick, Hey, Heather, how are you doing well?

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Thanks?

Speaker 19 (50:21):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Is this credible? You've seen any of these threats?

Speaker 6 (50:24):
No, it's absolute nonsense. I haven't seen anything. I've asked
Wellington to send me their proof. They haven't sent me anything.
So I think it might just be a little keyboard warrior.
So it's probably some spotted little fourteen year old getting
over excited. But no, there's absolutely no credibility to it
at all.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Possible that is a bit of smack talk from the Phoenix.

Speaker 6 (50:43):
It could be. I mean that that'd be quite smart
for them. So it might be are they getting.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
You back for the stunt that you people pulled with
the T shirt thing?

Speaker 6 (50:52):
Ah, that wasn't us here.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
That came.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Oh the stunt that was pulled on your behalf?

Speaker 6 (50:56):
It was it was on our behalf. It was somebody
representing organ FC, and I think they did a great job.
And it definitely wasn't I didn't have anything to do with it.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
I forget the details. I forget the details. But I'm
loving this rivalry already. Hey, how many fans good? It
is good. It makes it really interesting. We don't have
enough of this stuff in the country, don't you think.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
No, it's exciting. And it's like, you know, you want
to bet football's tribal, right, and you want to have
that tribalism. You want fans to have a bit of bands.
You want it to be fun, you want it to
be entertaining, and that's and that's exactly what it is.
Kiwi football fans aren't hooligans and there's not going to
be any trouble tomorrow. It's it's going to be a
fantastic moment for New Zealand football.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Now, how many fans do you reckon? You've got headed
down because that's a lot of yellow that they've got
going on there.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well it hows it. Think got all
the ocs as well. But we've got I reckon, we
were about four or five hundred coming down, so it
could be more. We've the port who are our official
supporters clubs said that they've got about four hundred of
them going down. So they'll bring the noise, they'll bring
the energy, they'll bring the fun. It's going to be
a great night.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Did you see the Ta b Odds are stacked against you?

Speaker 6 (51:57):
Are they?

Speaker 5 (51:57):
No?

Speaker 6 (51:57):
I haven't I unlessed them?

Speaker 3 (51:58):
What are they don't remember exactly, but I thought that's
what off because I would have thought you guys would
be the favorites given that you've come.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
And hot, Wow, you want it? You want to go
in as an underdog? Doing you snatch three points and
then get out of well into as quickly as we can.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
How how far do you reckon you can take the
swimming streak in your first season?

Speaker 6 (52:16):
Oh well you know, we've got to keep our feet
firmly on the ground, but we have had We've had
a dream start. I think the boys. The boys have
jowled really well and are just going to get better.
Even from round one to round two, we've improved. So
you know, I'm confident that we're going to come down here.
We're gonna We're gonna put up everything that we've got
and you know, if we get three points, fantastic long
made the streak continue. I don't want to put it.

(52:36):
I don't want to jinx it by saying it could
go on forever. But yeah, we want it. Will play
as hard as we can.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
What's the magic source? Like, what's making you guys click
so well? Is it the money?

Speaker 5 (52:47):
Now?

Speaker 6 (52:47):
I think it's it's more the people, right. We from
day one we said we're going to go out and
we're going to get good people. We've got Steve Kayaker,
proven winner, he's won as a player, he's won as
a as a manager. And then and then with our recruitment,
we looked at the right type of players who played
the style that we want to play. But also we've
brought in good people, the energy and the kind of
the positive vibe and the squad. There's nothing like I've

(53:09):
seen before. And I've worked in football for over twenty years,
and you know, the guys get on so well. I
think we've been really clever with some of our foreign
players that the visa spots that come in. You can
get up to five visas. And we've brought an amazing
guy called Hiroki who's our club captain. You know, he's
gone to three World Cups and he brings a real
sort of professionalism and brings the dressing room together. And

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then we've got a bit of South American flair, and
we've got a great midfield and a kid called Lily
who came over from Belgium and he's been very solo
in the first two games. So Steve's got them playing
really well. They're playing to style that we want to play, attacking,
exciting football, and we've got some great Kiwis in there too.
You know, we've got five current All Whites with a
bunch of other Kiwis who played in the All White

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So it's an exciting young team and we can't wack
to get up there and show them what we've got.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Good stuff. Nick, I'm convinced you're gonna win. Good on you.
The CEO of Auckland FC, Laura produced. Laura just looked
up the tab old. She knows how to do this things.
She's into that kind of thing. She says. Wellington is
paying two dollars forty five and Auckland's paying two dollars seventy,
So it's not like not a huge difference, is it?
Twenty away from six.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
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Speaker 16 (54:29):
We've been thinking of that.

Speaker 15 (54:30):
That it's ridiculous that we're doing the archive haircut of
a ridiculous forty haircot for his ass.

Speaker 20 (54:34):
We've got cultures.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Down here in Polynesia, and why should we take it away?

Speaker 5 (54:38):
Think a bit of luck goes a long way in
this game.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
But I think we've you know, shown some real character
with our batting aspect as well and betting in tough
conditions in India. I've had the comment fashion come up
a bit lately, like how do you feel it could
be your last game? And I've definitely been in a
bit of denial about it. I actually refused to believe
it my last game right here we go on the
sports tuddle with us this evening, Andrew Aldison News talks
he'd be sports free to Clay Wilson News to a

(55:00):
Xebi sport news director. Hello, lads, it I reckon AFC
is going to win. I just feel like these guys
are on just on a good buzz. What do you reckon?

Speaker 25 (55:12):
Well, it's the top of the table clash, isn't it.
This is what you want in New Zealand football and
to be able to create that so early in their
tenure Auckland FC and they've.

Speaker 12 (55:21):
Had a dream start.

Speaker 25 (55:23):
Really, I think, have you're marketing the game, et cetera
in Auckland that's it's perfect. So you're heading on down
there and I think that, yeah, they'll get some numbers
into the ground and it should be a terrific atmosphere.
And I guess building this rivalry over time, letting it,
letting it breathe, and just creating it as time goes on.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Clay, I see that the host was raising some concern
about the fact that this is the big derby and
it's not selling out. Is that is that a thing
to be worried about or is it just that's just
how it is.

Speaker 26 (55:53):
I thought I saw this afternoon that I had that
may have changed since this morning was maybe a certain
section of the of the crowd is has sold out.
I would have thought they're going to get pretty good
numbers just based on what we've been talking about, the
fact that there are two top of the table teams.
They would have done well anyway, just just with being
the first professional football derby in New Zealand. And I

(56:14):
just think it's great to have a rivalry and a
sport in New Zealand that does rivalries best, really, isn't it.
Football rivalries around the world are just amazing and we
watch with jealousy from you know, leagues in Europe and
abroad as how how well they do rivalry. So to
have one here now, it's great that everyone's diving into it,
and even the two clubs some of the stuff you
were talking with Nick Becker about. I have to say

(56:36):
I think that the clubs are doing the needle very
well and.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
I love it. So do you think that's what it is?
Clay is them? Is that just them them needling each other?

Speaker 7 (56:44):
I think it is.

Speaker 26 (56:45):
And I say great because I think a lot of
other sports, you know, I'm looking at rugby in a
way they try and steer away from it, and I
think in recent years but they perhaps realized that you've
got to embrace that kind of thing. That's what the
fans want, and that's what the fans want. A bit
of tribal them, a bit of passion so they can
really get into it.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
I guess it's not quite sold out as how many
are sold at least twenty thousand, and I think that's
still the same as it was this morning, right orders,
have you got the tea on what ethan the group did?

Speaker 12 (57:14):
Will be wanting to know this all day, haven't we.

Speaker 25 (57:16):
It's hanging out there from from Scott Robertson not really
revealing any detail as to what the incident was. I'm
sure we'll squeak out eventually, but yeah, it's certainly a
state of intrigue for now.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
It's not going to be playing it TWI. You don't know, Clay,
do you know?

Speaker 26 (57:34):
No, no idea. I haven't had anything any whispers come
across across my ears.

Speaker 25 (57:39):
So just start meeting the standards, hither.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Oh that'll come out?

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Come on, no, come on, somebody's come on you. Sports
journos are usually really really good, like you're actually very
good at your job.

Speaker 12 (57:53):
Somebody's going to do may get the shovel out.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yeah, yeah, I'm so. Elliott before said it's got to
be worse because because Damo wasn't dropped when he fell
asleep on the beach and then had to get the
taxi and you know, like that norse and obviously been
on the terps the night before or something. I don't know,
I'm making up stories, but it's got to be worse
than that, right, So it's it's on the more serious
level of things, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Orders Well, look, Heather and yeah you would think so.

Speaker 25 (58:19):
For them to drop him for a tear s match,
he has to.

Speaker 12 (58:21):
Have been up to mischief in some capacity.

Speaker 26 (58:24):
Okay, well, well we mus curf you like Marke Delea,
did Heather?

Speaker 3 (58:27):
How far maybe? Which involves how far can we push this?
Clay just speculating on air to put pressure on ends
it out to fess up because we have pushed it
so far? Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 27 (58:37):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (58:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 26 (58:38):
New Zealand Rugby are a pretty determined organization or it
comes to these kinds of things and keeping them quiet.
So I think it's going to have to take someone
late order says to get the shovel out and do
some decent digging.

Speaker 12 (58:48):
Joe Marla on the case.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Actually I want to talk about him next hold fire
on that will come back quarters.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
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Speaker 3 (59:01):
Right, all this you brought up, Joe Marlis, what do
you make of this? Has he got a point?

Speaker 27 (59:07):
Look?

Speaker 25 (59:07):
I think he does in that Well, we'll Rugby grant
the All Blacks opportunity to do the hard at And
I think Marla's point reading through it, even if it's
been put a bit clumsily, is that that the other
teams deserve a right of reply and as in anything
that we do and live mean a right reply should
be allowed. Shodn't it on the field. And how they

(59:28):
go about that, I mean I can appreciate. Yeah, so
he gets an oscar for distraction technics, doesn't.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
It over the course for a week.

Speaker 25 (59:35):
But I think that, Yeah, I think he does have
a point there.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Yeah, I think so too. And do you know what,
Clay What surprises me is how sensitive we are about
does I mean, the guy basically got god bombarded on Twitter,
deleted his Twitter account as a result, then came back
and apologized directly to New Zealand fans. What's wrong with us?

Speaker 7 (59:53):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 26 (59:54):
And I actually love the way he sort of added
a social media again and just apologized and just you know,
he's a real character for those that don't know Joe Mahler,
and he's and I think he's handled it pretty well.
And orders to use the word clumsy, I think that's
all this is. Really, He's he's got his point across
in a very clumsy kind of yet perhaps are too
direct a fashion, and people have a few people have

(01:00:14):
got a bit sensitive about that. But you know, we
were talking about rivalry and the football, Well, the hacker
is a challenge and you know some of the has
been some great moments over the years of teams responding
to the hacker. You know, me personally, I love the
hacker and I love it when teams respond to you know,
remember the flying v that the French did in the
World Cup final here, and you know there were some
great moments in the sort of late nineties where the

(01:00:36):
England team got right face to face with the order.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Was it the Welsh You wouldn't look away and so
everybody just stood there looking at each other for ages.

Speaker 26 (01:00:44):
Yeah, there was the standoff, you know, and those these
are moments that have been years ago and we remember them,
so it just goes to show, right, So I think, yeah,
like he made a good point, you just didn't get
it across in the best fashion.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Okay, now, Liam Lawson orders, is he getting a little
too sassy?

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
I'm liking this hunger.

Speaker 25 (01:01:03):
It's a guy who's determined, and it's a guy not desperate,
but is absolutely revenous to succeed in Formula one, isn't it?
And I just think that, oh, it's he's put it
out there, flipping the bird, et cetera. I mean, I
do tend to think that if you're going at threaded
ocasion now and you want to you you would have
that sort of reaction. I mean we do on our

(01:01:24):
motorways ourselves something. If you're going to go out, you
want to go out in style and you want to
flip it. So anyway, it's amazing what flashes through your
mind in those tight moments, not that I'm driving, Like Liam.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Lawson three, what do you Reckon Clay No.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
I love it.

Speaker 26 (01:01:40):
And the thing is, I think Liam's had quite a
clean cut image up until now, but he's always, you know,
from speaking to him for a few years now, been
a very determined young man. And I think that's all
the shows. It's been a bit of a coincidence that
it's happened with you know, two or three veterans of
the of the Formula one paddock, and you know people
have got a bit up in arms about that, but
you know, in terms of cut throat sports or industries

(01:02:03):
in sports, Formula one is right out there, if not
the most cut throat. If you're not out there to
win and you know, stay in front of all costs,
you know, you might as well not be there. So
I love that he's showing this because it shows especially
he's trying to push for a promotion to a team
like Red Bull, you know they're going to be looking
at that and saying, here's a kid who's not going
to be pushed over. So I think it's it's great

(01:02:24):
and you know, it makes her exciting racing for when
he's on the cameras.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Yeah, totally. Now listen on the Constellation Cup and the
fact that we want it basically because Grayson Wiket is
just amazing Clay, do we have to I mean, does
Neble New Zealand have to reconsider this concession and give
her a concession to go over to Australia and play
but still play for the Silver Ferns.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
I feel like heither.

Speaker 26 (01:02:41):
We've spoken about this before, maybe more than once, and
it's just to me, you know, we've got New Zealand
cricket now and the sports aren't apples for apples, but
you know, making certain concessions with players who are long
serving or you know, leading players within these national teams.
And to me, you know, you've got a player like
Grace Wiki She's only going to get better going and
playing in Australia, isn't she? So yes, yes, I mean

(01:03:04):
I guess New Zealand Neckborn New Zealand's in a bit
of a precarious situation because the domestic league is in
flux and a bit up in the year, so they
have to consider that. But you know, some of these
leading players, if they want to go to me, it's
not like the All Blacks. Maybe you know you have
to consider it and say, well, she's going to get
better and if that's going to be better for the
silver ferns, then we have to look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
What do you reckon allers, look?

Speaker 25 (01:03:26):
I reckon Wiki is possibly ahead of the curve here
because Nickborn New Zealand may eventually go back to Nepple Australia.
They may form another competition and then that will be scraped.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
So therefore she'll.

Speaker 25 (01:03:37):
Be, you know, welcomed back with open arms. I mean, otherwise,
I mean they've got they've already had their own sort
of gives O law for like with the comparison to
the rugby with Laura langlam Maria Philau being able to
play after they reach a certain number of caps, certain
number of season service. But I don't think it's going
to come to that. I suspect it's not the last
time that we've seen Grayson wiki in in a black dress.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Okay, I hope. So guys, listen, thank you really appreciate it.
Go and enjoy your weekend to sport, have a lovely
Friday evening. Try not to behave like Ethan de Groot
whatever he'd ad eight away from six. That was our
sports huddle. Andrew Ordison and Clay Wilson.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Hither. The groundwork for the trade deal wasn't done by
Todd mcclay's was started in twenty twenty two by labor.
They deserve some of the credit. Wasn't done in the
last twelve months, like we've been led to believe today. No, absolutely,
if they started in twenty two, they deserve absolutely the
credit for restarting it. The problem with this particular trade
deal is we've started a bunch of times. It's the
finishing that counts, As it is with any trade deal,
it's always the finishing that counts. So I'm sorry, but

(01:04:49):
just like the uk FTA the credit went to de
Cinder and the EUFTA, the credit went to Desinder this
time around, even though the other governments have done the
work on it. Yeah, credit goes to Todd McLay because
he actually managed to sign the deal and shut the
thing down. Now five away from six, I've gone back
to the old days. Got my investigative journalist hat on
for you to try and solve one final question. I

(01:05:10):
think we've got to the bottom of it. This is
on the outer Teddy. Okay, this is the question of
the coffee. This is the thing that started the whole thing,
because you remember New Zealand first said somebody on the
bridge went off the bridge to go get a coffee
and that's why the chap ran aground and they weren't
paying attention and the order pilot was on. Well, yesterday
I asked Duncan Roy about the order pilot and the coffee.
He's the man in charge of Witneter Islander and he
said nobody left. Nobody left to get a coffee. Did

(01:05:33):
somebody go get a coffee?

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Yeah, we can put that to bed right now, the
right number of people are on the bridge doing their
job professionally.

Speaker 7 (01:05:40):
No one left the bridge to get coffee.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
No one left the bridge to get coffee. Well, did
I start getting texts from people then saying yeah, but
they didn't have to leave the bridge to get coffee
because the coffee machine is on the bridge. And the
guy who even installed the coffee machine text me to
say I know the coffee machines on the bridge because
I put the coffee machine on the bridge. So anyway,
did the investigative journalism thing and I cooled into Islander today,

(01:06:03):
which is not very investigative, and I said, all right,
answer the question for me is the coffee machine on
the bridge or what? And they have messaged me back.
I'm sorry to say that didn't actually definitively answered that question.
But I get well, because why would they, Right, they
have an opportunity to dick me around a little bit
more like every other comms person in the world, and
so they did. The answer is, most ships bridges have

(01:06:24):
a place to make tea and coffee and get a
glass of water. This is standard across the world. So
I'm reading between the lines that the art Teta has
the coffee machine on the bridge, which is why Duncan
could say nobody left the bridge to get a coffee.
But they also added some context. At the time of
the incident, the basic coffee machine on art Tetey's bridge. Yes,
there you go, it's on the bridge was not being used,

(01:06:46):
nor were any of the masters drinking coffee. So for
once and for all, we will draw We do not
have to wait eighteen months for the final report. We
can draw a line through this nobody was using the
coffee machine. It was there, It was right there. It
was sitting there tempting that that little George Clooney ness
cafe machine right there. Nobody used it. Nobody was drinking coffee.

(01:07:10):
There was no coffee involved in the grounding of the
artist head. It was just something else entirely. Talk more
about the FDA and x NEUSTORGSB.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
We're business inside the Business Hour we'd headed due to
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Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Even in coming up with the next hour, Peter Lewis
is going to talk us through what the Chinese are
making of the US selection as it unfolds. Very sop
will wrap the political week that was, and we also
have Gavin Gray with us out of the UK seven
past six Now. Industry groups are pretty stoked about the
news of the free trade deal with the Golf States
and the deal we've signed with the Golf Corporation Council
that eliminates almost all tariffs on our exports to Saudi Arabia,

(01:07:55):
the UAE and a few other countries over the next
ten years and trade mins to Todd McClay was with
Mike this morning and said there's a lot of demand
in these countries for our food.

Speaker 11 (01:08:04):
Certainly, the conversations I've had with the various countries and
all six of the trade ministers from these countries today
here when we are initial, you know, the end of
negotiation is their desire to have long term, sustainable relationships
where when they need the food, we will supply it
to them.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Kate Aklan is the chair of Beef and Lamin is
with us. Now, Hey, Kate, Hi, Heather, Kate, are you
surprised that the live sheep experts didn't come up?

Speaker 27 (01:08:32):
Well?

Speaker 28 (01:08:32):
Look, pleasantly surprised? Yes, I mean this is really good news.

Speaker 27 (01:08:35):
This deal.

Speaker 28 (01:08:36):
It's not you know, the GCC, it's not the biggest
market for red meat, but it's a really high value
market and it's for us to be one of the
fastest growing regions for beef and cheap meat consumption.

Speaker 27 (01:08:48):
So you know, it is really good news.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Why were you pleasantly surprised that it didn't come up,
Because surely ever came up and they still wanted our
live exports. Then that's a whole export there that we
can make money off.

Speaker 28 (01:09:00):
Look, I don't think live exports are on the table
at all, So you know, I think what we need
to do is really take advantage of the opportunity that
we have to, as the Minister said, you know, send
really high value, safe, secure food into what is a
great market.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
What kind of tariffs are you guys facing over there?

Speaker 28 (01:09:19):
Look, the tariffs aren't huge. But what this does that
these FDA agreements they give certainty to us that, you know,
as we are facing increasing geopolitical uncertainty and you're seeing
protectionist measures come on or the threat of protectionist measures,
these FTA is actually lock in tariff free trades, so

(01:09:40):
that gives us as farmers, really good certainty that we
have good, diverse markets.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
So given that there aren't that many tariffs that you face, well,
what tariffs you face are not that high. Do you
think that the removal of the tariffs is actually going
to lead to a growth in the market over there
for you?

Speaker 28 (01:09:56):
Look, I think it will and that you know they
haven't done a lot of free trade deals with the gccs,
so actually this will give us a bit of a
it's a competitive market and this will give us a
competitive advantage over other countries like Australia who are currently
selling quite a lot of product in there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
He was impressed with Todd McLay as I am, and
I wasn't expecting him to knock it out of the
park like this.

Speaker 27 (01:10:16):
Oh look, I think he's doing a great job.

Speaker 28 (01:10:18):
He seems to be taking a really sort of pragmatic
approach to getting this trade deal through.

Speaker 27 (01:10:22):
So long lay it continued, Too're.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Right, okay, thank you, man. I really appreciated. Kate Aklan,
chair of Beef and Lamb. I'll tell you what, the
cost of living crisis hasn't hit Apple as in the
cell phone BA because the sales of the new iPhone
sixteen are up now. Everybody was kind of going to
watch that to see whether this was going to work
well for them because it's launched in an awkward time
and whatnot. It's beat the Wall Street projections of how

(01:10:46):
many we're going to sell and as buy up, I
mean beat what happened what they were doing last year.
And this is despite the fact that China's buying fewer
of the phones now. According to the quarterly earnings report,
they sold about forty six of the revenue from my
phone sales was about forty six point two billion dollars.
That was up from forty three point eight billion year
oh year year on year. Unfortunately, though not the same

(01:11:10):
story for the other products which they are selling. So
Apple Watch and air pods have declined for four straight
quarters and I can't quite explain that. And maybe that's
because your your cell phone isn't really a luxury purchase anymore,
because you just need a cell phone, don't you, If
you like you need it for work, you need it
for life, blah blah blah. But maybe your air pods

(01:11:31):
you can kind of hold on to the old ones
or buy just some cheapies. The Apple Watches a bit
of a luxury item, isn't it. It's completely unnecessary. It's
a folly, isn't it? As a folly? Although it's fascinating.
So now I've got two nights worth, I've got two
well stop it ants, got two nights worth of sleep data.
It's amazing how little deep sleep you do?

Speaker 27 (01:11:51):
Do you know that?

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Did you know that? Like in a whole nights? I
slept for eight and a half hours last night and
I only got in total fifty three minutes of deep sleep.
That's shocking to me. I thought it was like definitely
going to be about two thirds. Anyway, this is what
happens a You know, people who have babies love to
show other people the photos of the babies. People get
Apple watches just want to talk about their sleep pattern,

(01:12:12):
don't they.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Six twelve Analysis from the experts, bringing you everything you
need to know on the US election. It's The Business
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Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Be hither it properly helps that Apple are massively discounting
the iPhone sixteen, making it their cheapest phone. I just
got one for the wife. You're a lovely man, aren't
you just got one for the wife, upgrading from an
iPhone eight and a fourteen hundred dollar phone had a
seven hundred dollar credit against it. Well, Darren, that's impressive.
Thanks for that quarter past six. All right, let's wrap

(01:12:47):
the political week that was with seeing your political correspondent
Barry Soper. Welcome back, Barry, Hello again. Have you changed
your mind about who's going to win the American election?
Who's still all Carmela the whole way?

Speaker 15 (01:12:56):
I've been watching it, well, not all days today because
other things to do, but I've certainly been watching them
out on the campaign trail and more sensible is Carmela Harris,
no doubt about it. I mean, Donald Trump is onto
his usual sort of full, frank and meaningless garbage that

(01:13:18):
he spills out to his voters and you know, telling
them how much he loves them, and of course how
much he loves Porto Ricans.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
And how nobody has done more for Puerto Ricans than Donald.

Speaker 15 (01:13:32):
Has in the history of the world. So yeah, look again,
it comes down from my point of view, how on
earth could anyone go out and vote for Donald Trump.
But then you know, we saw last time around that
more Americans went out and voted for him than voted
for Hillary Clinton. That doesn't surprise me greatly because Hillary

(01:13:55):
Clinton was not a candidate that should ever have been
put up by the Democrat I make.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
The same argument of Karmena.

Speaker 15 (01:14:02):
Well, she had no choice though, I mean Karmala Harris.
It was so close to the election. They couldn't possibly
go ahead with Joe Biden as we.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Saw they could have had they could have had it
contested the inside well, they could.

Speaker 15 (01:14:14):
Have had, but then it would have taken more time
and given the run up to the election, it would
have been much shorter in terms of the Democrats getting
a foothold. So Karmala Harris, whether the Democrats like it
or not.

Speaker 7 (01:14:27):
Was the choice.

Speaker 15 (01:14:28):
And I don't think she's as bad as what many say,
although I have to say when I heard her speech
this week bringing up, you know, child poverty, she was
going to drag children out of poverty, she was going
to cut the red tape, she was going to build
more houses. I heard another very well not articulate, but

(01:14:50):
verbose politician that we had in Jacinda durn promising the
same thing.

Speaker 7 (01:14:59):
There are very strong just the vibes, and.

Speaker 15 (01:15:01):
I think that could be a warning shot maybe for
Karmala Harris, because we saw how the public turned against
Jacinda Dern in a very short time after the twenty
twenty election.

Speaker 7 (01:15:14):
So really, I.

Speaker 15 (01:15:15):
Think that you've got to have more substance, maybe than
what Krmala Harris has been exemplifying. Although having said that,
when you talk about substance, I think Donald Trump is
about as deep puddle.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
You're gonna answer my question, have you changed your mind?
Is she still gonna win?

Speaker 15 (01:15:34):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Of course she's gonna win.

Speaker 7 (01:15:35):
You'll win.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Yeah, Okay, And if you're right, what do we have
to acknowledge? About you.

Speaker 15 (01:15:40):
If I'm right, Yeah, how brilliant I am.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
And if you're wrong and I'm right, what are you
going to acknowledge about him?

Speaker 15 (01:15:46):
I of course would not say that at all. Mine
is only an inkling of the way. Maybe the psyche
should wink all right, listen. So it's probably more wishful
thinking than because I don't think Donald.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Trump, I think it'd be good for new I think
you're doing wishful thinking.

Speaker 7 (01:16:01):
Barry.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
I'm glad you're self diagnosed. I'm glad you have well.

Speaker 15 (01:16:05):
I got it wrong with Hillary Clinton and Trump because
I've never ever thought that somebody like Trump should lead
any country of any significance.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
It's gum boot Friday today. You are you surprised at
the reaction that Mike King's comments have.

Speaker 7 (01:16:19):
Got, Well, look, like I said, I don't.

Speaker 15 (01:16:23):
He didn't actually mean that alcohol was the panacea for
mental health. He was saying that it stops the trigger
from being pulled. Maybe, and as he said, when you
get over it a hangover, then it all kicks back
and again take another head of alcohol or drugs and
you get over that trigger point. And I think to

(01:16:46):
that extent he was right. Maybe he didn't explain it
very well. He's gone out again today I see and
has explained himself online explaining what he meant.

Speaker 7 (01:16:56):
And it is gumboot Friday.

Speaker 15 (01:16:59):
A lot of rubbish has been talked by Labor about
the twenty four million dollars that the government has airmarked
for this. It doesn't go into Mike King's account. It's
split up into four years, six million dollars a year.
And if that sees more young people in trouble before counselors,
I say, it's money well spent totally.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Ginny Anderson, right, so she is. We can put this
one to bed now with the Andrew Bailey brew haha,
that shouldn't have been this also, we can say finished
with us.

Speaker 7 (01:17:27):
Well, it's interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:17:28):
The media's handling of Andrew Bailey relentless. It was, although
you did mention the other day that we are in
recess this week.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
It makes a difference. Well, because you can't hound her.

Speaker 15 (01:17:40):
No, you can't yet, so hopefully it's put to bed.
I think for her though, to say that she maybe
should have read the meme more closely before seeing it
on her Instagram account is patently ridiculous and it's an
excuse it doesn't hold water because the meme I think

(01:18:02):
it had four very short lines on it, and if
it takes you that long to read it and understand it,
you'd have to question whether you should be in parliament.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Barry, thanks very much, really appreciate it's very sober. Senior
political correspondent wrapping the political week, there was hey, hey
really quickly on this business was zespriy Esper's a bit
funny about this say they don't like to talk about
it is We wanted to talk to them on the
show about it and they were like, oh, I don't
really want to talk about it, but they put it
out there. They let you know that this is happening.
They don't want to spend too much time on it.
I think it's probably an indication of how serious this is,

(01:18:35):
because it is serious. So it looks like the issue
of illegal growing of kiwi fruit in China is becoming
quite a big problem for Zesbury. They are now saying
the plantings are as big as and remember we're just
talking about illegal gold here, right, not not anything else,
not green, not red, just gold. The illegal plantings of
gold are now the equivalent of forty million trays in

(01:19:00):
in zes in China. Sorry, half of those twenty million
trays are really excellent standard. They're like, they're basically the
equivalent to Zespri's first class quality standard. Now, to give
you some context here, Zespriy exports a total of one
hundred and ninety million trays of Kiwi frus in the season,
and that's in a record season, so the highest, the

(01:19:23):
highest that we've ever exported as one ninety million. Right,
these guys are turning around forty million dodgy stuff in China.
There's twenty one percent of what we're sending overseas. That
is really significant, isn't it. You can understand why why
they don't really want to talk about it. Tom Lathan's out,
So that's fifty nine for two? How many? How many
did he get?

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
Ants?

Speaker 27 (01:19:42):
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
I'll probably work it out? Hold on, Young's got forty three. No,
Young's got oh, I can't work it out twenty eight?
So what was Darcy to as Darcy was sitting here, going, oh,
Tom Lathan's doing really well, he's got great innings on.

Speaker 12 (01:19:56):
Well, he got like sixty eight last time, like it
was very very good.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Sixty eight is not very very good for an opening
Batsman sixty eight is okay.

Speaker 12 (01:20:05):
I think above sixty is very good. Oh maybe I'm
just accepting mediocrity.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
Standards and standards. You've got to play like the Indians.
You got to get one hundred. So anyway, he's out
for twenty eight, So that's not that flashes at six
twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Croaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
It's hither duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to
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Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Ib Berry's Trump derangement syndrome is quite funny. He'll blow
a valve of Trump wins. Well, that's what I'm worried about,
because he's got a dodgy techer already. So any more
on Donald Trump. Not only has Barry got Trump de
arrangement syndrome, but so to the Democrats, they're completely losing
their minds at the moment over something Donald Trump said

(01:20:49):
at a rally last night. So he lifted the lid
on how his campaign team have told him not capitals
in ot not to speak about women.

Speaker 24 (01:21:00):
And my people told me about four weeks ago. I
always say no, I want to protect the people. I
want to protect the women of our country. I want
to protect the women, Sir, please don't say that. Why.
They said, we think it's we think it's very inappropriate
for you to say. So why I'm president, I want
to protect the women of our country.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
But yeah, I don't know if you could kind of
see this coming. He's not going to take the advice,
is he.

Speaker 24 (01:21:24):
They said, Sir, I just think it's inappropriate for you
to say, pay these guys a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Can you believe it?

Speaker 24 (01:21:30):
They said, Well, I'm going to do it, whether the
women like it or not. I'm going to protect them.
I'm going to protect them from migrants coming in. I'm
going to protect them from foreign countries that want to
hit us with missiles and lots of other things.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
And Carmelin not want to ever see the liberty in anything.
Has taken it really seriously.

Speaker 9 (01:21:51):
I will comment on the former president Donald Trump's remark
about women and whether they like it or not, and listen,
it's just it actually is very offensive to women in
terms of not understanding their agency, their authority, their right,

(01:22:14):
and their ability to make decisions about their own lives,
including their own bodies. And this is just the latest
on a series of reveals by the former president of
how he thinks about women and their agency.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
I mean, I feel like you're reading too much into it, lady,
but you do you whatever. Peter Lewis is going to
be with us out of Hong Kong shortly. He's going
to give us a view on I mean, we're enjoying
the UA selection from Afar, aren't we with our own perspective.
I'm quite keen to hear how the Chinese are enjoying
it with their perspective. So he'll run us through shortly
headlines next.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
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Speaker 10 (01:23:05):
Stuff, worgainst at your truck? Greats did your good from minor?

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
It's fun house.

Speaker 10 (01:23:14):
That's away.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
I have luck to you go across what's gone on
with Gloria Veil because they've been in court and they're
arguing for the BNZ to keep their accounts open and
blah bah blah. So get you across those details shortly.
Gavin Graves with us in ten minutes time. If you
are angry with Mike King for what he said in
that interview with us about the booze, you might want
to hear this. Obviously, everybody. Everybody's chipped in, everybody and
their dog, including me. We've all chipped in with our thoughts,

(01:23:36):
haven't we. And the chief executive of the Mental Health Foundation,
Sean Robinson has also chipped in, and he has what
he has to say carries more weight than the average
punter because he has had suicidal ideation, he has had
all kinds of issues with mental health. He's also the
CEO of the mental health organization right a foundation, isn't he?
He says, Mike King actually has a valid point with

(01:23:59):
what he was trying to say. He said, what Mike
was trying to say about how people use alcohol when
they are really struggling was totally valid. But I think
we also need to bring in the science, the research,
the expert voices. So just bear that in mind when
people are losing their minds about what is going on
here and really upset about it, this guy says was

(01:24:22):
a valid point to be made. By the way, on
the cricket we've lost another work of seventy two for
three Russian. Rabindra is out. It wasn't then for very long.
I don't know what he's out for. Oh five, Oh Russian.

Speaker 12 (01:24:34):
You gotta done better than that by our old enemy Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Washington again, Yeah, Washington took him. Oh dear, Okay, anyway,
So look, we got two. You know, it doesn't matter
if the third one is lost, is it? I'm fine
about that. Twenty three away from seven, hear the duplessy
Ellen Peter Lewis Asia Business corresponding with us Now Hi,
Peter good evening had that, So even more stimulus coming
from China.

Speaker 29 (01:24:57):
A huge amount of stimulus coming down the pipes, if
we believe the media reports something along the lines of
one point four trillion dollars to try and shore up
basically China's economy and also deal with all the debt
that's been accumulated by the local governments, particularly in the
property market. There needs to be a complete shakeup of

(01:25:21):
how local governments raise money, because they can't raise it
from taxes on land sales anymore, because the property developers
are either bankrupt or they've built too many houses already,
and there's far more houses that are unfinished than there
are people to live in them. So this stimulus is
going to be directed mainly at the local governments to

(01:25:43):
try and help them swap what is in effect local
government debts that's hidden off their balance sheets with central
governments debts in the hope that this sort of unclogs
the pipes and starts getting money flowing again to local
businesses because there's lots of who haven't been paid, there's
suppliers who haven't received their money either, to try and

(01:26:05):
get that whole process up and running again, and Beijing
is relying very heavily on this to try and stimulate
the economy. I'm not so sure. I think what tends
to happen with things like this is they have a
temporary boost, particularly when you're borrowing a lot of money
to try and stimulate your economies. Maybe the UK is
about to find out, but that economic impact wears off

(01:26:28):
very very quickly unless you deal with the underlying fundamental problem.
And the underlying fundamental problem in China is very difficult
to deal with because of the demographics, because there are
far less people who want to buy homes at the moment,
so the whole property market is going to take many

(01:26:50):
years to be resolved, and it's going to take a
long time before prices start moving up again.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Yeah, how long do you reckon? I mean, if we're
talking about demographics where you have to wait for people
to want to buy houses, and mean it's talking about
potentially decades or a decade.

Speaker 29 (01:27:03):
Yes, absolutely, I mean this could take many years to resolve.
We're not going to see house prices in the meantime
moved back to previous levels. The risk is that they're
actually going to move even lower in the meantime. And
we don't really know what is the true value of
these homes because the Chinese government won't let us find out.

(01:27:24):
They have a lot of controls whether or not local
authorities can raise or lower prices, whether the developments developers
can do that. So we don't really know what is
the clearing price of all this unfinished, unsold property in China.
All we do know is that there is way way
too much of it, and the clearing price the true

(01:27:44):
price of these homes is probably a lot lower.

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Actually, a very good point that you make there. No, listen,
tell me, how are you guys witnessing the US election?
What do people think of it?

Speaker 29 (01:27:55):
Well, they're waiting with some trepidation for the results next week,
because all American elections tend to be consequential, but this
one is going to be more consequential than any we've
seen for quite a long time, particularly if Donald Trump wins.
I mean, here's the self proclaimed tariff man. He says,
tariff is the most beautiful word in the English language,

(01:28:18):
and we have to remember that it's threatening blanket tariff's
of twenty percent on all exports into the US and
sixty percent on Chinese ones. Now, if people think he's bluffing,
I think that he intends to carry this through. I
think he feels that one of the big mistakes when

(01:28:39):
he was last president was not having people around him
who were supportive enough of his agenda. So he doesn't
want to make that same mistake twice. He's surrounding himself
with people who are going to absolutely carry out that agenda,
and tariffs is going to be a very big part
of that. So the risk is that this could cloak
totally reorder the global trading system, with consequences for the

(01:29:03):
global economy. The IMF says it could wipe out the
equivalent of the GDPs of France and Germany off of
global growth if he goes through with this, So it
is very consequential. He's already been attacking, and he doesn't
distinguish between friends and enemies. So Japan, for example, which
is trying to get around this problem by investing an

(01:29:25):
enormous amount in the US in terms of opening plants
there over the past years and decades, could be hit. Taiwan.

Speaker 6 (01:29:33):
Certainly.

Speaker 29 (01:29:34):
He was accusing Taiwan over the weekend of stealing the
US chip business. He didn't explain how exactly Taiwan had
done that, but he said they've stolen basically American business
from companies like Intel, and is going to put tariffs
on Taiwan's semiconductor or Taiwan's semiconductor manufacturing makes ninety percent

(01:29:56):
of the world's advanced chips, has huge clients Navidia, Apple, Microsoft,
So this would have enormous implications for the global supply
chain if he goes ahead with it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Does China have a preference? Do you think as do
with it's Trump or Kamala who wins.

Speaker 29 (01:30:14):
Well, that's what we've been wondering. It's hard to know
because Kamala Harris isn't going to be that much better
for China because that signals are more a continuation with
Biden's policy, and Biden has hardly been friendly to China.
Are the either mean some of his tariffs have been
very very damaging to Chinese exporters and also damaging to

(01:30:38):
China's ability to develop its own high tech industry. So
a continuation of that is not going to be particularly
good for China. But at the same time it could
get ramped up in a very specific way in terms
of a lot more tariffs if Donald Trump is in power.
So we have been wondering what Beijing preferred. Of course

(01:31:00):
we don't know. They're not going to say, so we
can only speculate, but I think that they see this
as whoever wins, it's not going to be particularly good
for Beijing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
No, probably not. Hey, Peter, thank you very much. Enjoy
the last weekend before the election. That's Peter Lewis, our
Asia business correspondent with US out of Hong Kong, seventeen
away from seven Gavin Gray out of the UK.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Next, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business
Hour with hither DUPLEICLS and my HR, the HR solution
for busy SMS on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
Fourteen away from seven B and Z and Gloriaval have
been in the Court of Appeal right to discuss what's
going to happen with the bank accounts. Bn Z is
trying to shut down all of all of Gloriavale's bank accounts.
GLORIAVL is trying to keep them open. Gloria of L
says it's changed its ways. All the bad stuff that
bean Z doesn't like, you know, the human rights policy
being breached and so on and so on, and they
don't do that stuff anymore. This has changed the way.

(01:31:55):
It's changed the ways. But what's really interesting is that
basically big being zed to keep the accounts open because
nobody else will bank them now. So that the lawyer
representing Glory of OL said, Glory of Our's companies will fail, schools,
food living as required will not be able to eventuate,
and it will effectively end the community. Now, there'll be
a lot of people out there who don't think that's

(01:32:16):
altogether a bad thing, and I would agree with you,
not a bad thing to end the community, but the
price you pay for that, I don't like the precedent
it sets, and I would say better to keep things
the way they are. I wouldn't want the precedent of
a bank being able to decide who al banks, even
at the cost of keeping gloriavel open. Gavin Gray, UK
correspondent with US Now hey, Gavin, Hi there, Gavin. How

(01:32:37):
big is the search efforts still going on in Spain?

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
It's massive.

Speaker 13 (01:32:42):
A whole city of Valencia, absolutely in some neighborhoods destroyed
by a mass flash flood. They have a year's worth
of rainfall in eight hours. It's led to one hundred
and f fifty eight deaths in Spain's worst flooding disaster,
and one hundred and fifty five of those recorded in
that city of Valencia in the southeast of the country.

(01:33:06):
More than one two hundred workers now deployed in a
rescue mission. But that rescue mission is getting increasingly depressing,
because you know, time has ticked on since Tuesday's floods,
and it's feared that many, many dozens remain missing the
task of recovering bodies from the mud and wreckage of

(01:33:26):
this flash flood that swept cars down streets as rivers
burst their banks. I mean, the pictures are extraordinary. The
damage is obviously deeply distressing. One British Man believed to
have died among those. As I said, the death toll
still rising, and the storm still sitting over Spain, sweeping
its way up into the northeastern region.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
As we talk, Gevin, this al Fayed thing has become far,
far bigger than any of us could have imagined when
it first blew up.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Ryan, Yeah, very much so.

Speaker 13 (01:33:59):
And now we learn that some four hundred alleged victims
or witnesses have come forward. So Mohammed al fa Ed
was boss of world's famous department store Harold's in London,
and during that time there are all these allegations that
have now come forward that he was basically using his
power to abuse people, and that also took place at

(01:34:22):
the football club he owned, Fulham FC, the Ritz Hotel
in Paris and other places that he owned and ran.
Harod's new owners say they are utterly appalled by these allegations,
that are investigating whether any current staff are involved. And
al Fayed, of course himself died last year aged ninety four.
But this has been an extraordinary thing. One or two

(01:34:43):
have come forward and then there's been an absolute deluge
with people joining a lawyer group in order to try
and get redressed now from Harold's claiming that they didn't
oversee things properly and indeed from the al Fayed estate,
and we had learned that Harold's had previously said that
they were in the process of settling more than two

(01:35:05):
hundred and fifty claims for compensation. So the idea that
another one hundred and fiftyeth joined is obviously going to
deeply worrying for them. The survivors involved have come, yes,
from the UK, but also America, Australia, Canada, Europe and Asia,
according to the lawyers.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Now, what makes us think that the purple tunic belonged
to Alexander the Great because it wasn't found in his tomb?

Speaker 6 (01:35:27):
Was it?

Speaker 13 (01:35:29):
No fascinating story?

Speaker 6 (01:35:30):
This?

Speaker 13 (01:35:31):
So, a purple tunic found some forty seven years ago
in a tomb that's two thousand, four hundred years ago,
has now been declared by scientists as belonging to Alexander
the Great. Now he, of course, at the age of thirty,
actually managed to create one of the biggest empires, known
as the King of Macedonia, and many say he was

(01:35:54):
undefeated in battle and was the greatest leader the world
has ever seen. Now they discovered the tunic in tombs
that belonged to his family members, and in the past
it had always assumed that it must belong to one
of them. However, a series of chemical, physical, and microscopic
analysis on the fabric suggests actually it was Alexander the

(01:36:14):
greats fermosal lilac or purple cloak with a white white
sou side to it. Now they've conducted all this search.
First of all, they were slightly surprised because it's made
of cotton, which was extremely expensive and imported from Persia.
But then these other tests suggest actually know they believe
it to be Alexander the Greats that the whereabouts of

(01:36:35):
his tomb is still very much up for debate.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Very interesting. Hey, thank you very much. Kevin appreciated this,
Kevin Gray, our UK correspondent. Hey, get a load of this, Okay,
I don't know how I feel about this. Squid gamers
back the brand new trailers just dropped Snake.

Speaker 12 (01:36:57):
He's only always in your ober changing all.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
You've understood, absolutely nothing except for the scary music, and
that's all you need to understand, because it is scary.
The guy who won the last series is back. The
Red Light Green Light game is back. It lands on
Boxing Day, So you know, if you know, if you
like summer holidays look far too nice, just introduce this
ight away from seven Getting ready.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
For a new administration in the US, What will be
the impact?

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
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HR the HR solution for busy SMEs news talks.

Speaker 18 (01:37:34):
A'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
Six away from seven. Now, you know how I love
telling you about stupid tektok trends, right because there's nothing
as stupid as a TikTok trend. I mean they're stupid,
and then when they put it on TikTok, it is
just get such an uptake across the world that it's
even more stupid. It's stupid amplified. The latest one is
beef tallow Beef tellow all over your face. If you've

(01:37:58):
got an issue like arda know, yxma dermatitis, they reckon
just rub that beef fat all over your face.

Speaker 29 (01:38:05):
Yeah, so I think beef.

Speaker 13 (01:38:06):
Towel all over my skin, especially if I'm having extra dry.

Speaker 8 (01:38:10):
Skin like in the winter.

Speaker 9 (01:38:11):
The fat and is like very similar to the oil
that our skin producers, so our skin absorbs it really
well and it doesn't clog up oar bors.

Speaker 30 (01:38:18):
So I heard that beef tallot is really good for
your skin. I meet this yesterday from a big package
of ground beef that I got.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
Now, if you're like beef tellot, what's that beef tallow is?
Do you know when you get yourself a big, big
beef roast and you roast it and then you cut
the bits off that you want for dinner that night,
and then you leave the rest just sitting there in
the roasting pan, and you know, by the time you've
had your dinner and you come back, it's cooled right
down and it's just got that kind of waxy, fatty

(01:38:45):
white stuff floating on the top. That is beef tallow.
That is what they're rubbing all over their face. Is
it a good idea? Well, dermatolog just the same.

Speaker 30 (01:38:54):
Not really, Sorry to break it to your world, but
beef talot does not have those properties. It is really
just an oil. We actually McDonald's used to use it
to fry their fries. In beef tallow is an oil.
You can put it on your skin and it's going
to do exactly what an oil is going to do.
It's gonna break down.

Speaker 27 (01:39:09):
I'm gonna smell that good.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
It can go off and ranted, it can go off
on your face and literally there is that doesn't matter
how pure you make your beef tallow, it will always
smell a little bit like cow.

Speaker 12 (01:39:19):
That's pretty gross and interesting choice for a beauty product.
I would think, yeah, not that I would know its TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
Everything's an interesting choice on TikTok.

Speaker 12 (01:39:29):
That's a very good point, Lily Allen smile to play
us out tonight. Another story from the Internet. Actually, Lily
Allen makes more money on her only fans than she
does from making music. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So she sells
pictures of her feet on only Fans. This has come
out because she says, basically, she was at the pedicurist
one time. The pedicurius is like, oh, you've got pretty
nice feet. You can probably make money off that, and

(01:39:50):
she went and sort of to see if she could
do it. She's got about, oh, where's the number one
thousand people who subscribe to her only Fans account, and
she makes more money off that than she does off
her seven and a half million monthly listeners on Spotify.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
So would you google her feet and well, of course not.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
No.

Speaker 12 (01:40:04):
Look, I don't like throwing produce Laura under the bus,
but this was her one. Okay this I would you
google her feet, Laura?

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
That no bad ah.

Speaker 12 (01:40:12):
Apparently you can find them on Wiki feet, which is
a foot finish website that collects and rates pictures of
celebrities feet and she has a perfect five star eight
and kids, definitely ask your parents before going to any
of the w But.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
She maintains her feet like you can see that she's
she's waxing, she's definitely Apparently there.

Speaker 12 (01:40:30):
Are subscriptions ten dollars US a month on only Things.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
So Good Feet for that. That's fine. You would like
to talk.

Speaker 12 (01:40:35):
About how great they are? Yeah, but did you see
even more of No, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
If you're to look at someone's feet, you've got something
wrong with you.

Speaker 12 (01:40:42):
Laura's is long, toes very good as well.

Speaker 26 (01:40:44):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
Weird.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
Okay, that's weird, and thanks for that. Enjoy your weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
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