Full Show Podcast: 01 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's Heather Duper c Ellen drive with One New Zealand
to coverage like no one else News Talks Evy.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today, Simon. What's
the Energy Minister is in studio talking through the government's
energy reform plan out today. Nick Russell, friend of Nigel Latter,
paying tribute to the Man and Act, wants students who
are forced to take and pay for those Auckland University
Malori courses to be refunded.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Heather due for ce Ellen, Well, if you were.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Looking forward to today to learn how the government would
rescue the country from the energy crisis we face, you
are already disappointed by now because you've looked at it
and you've seen there's nothing here. There is nothing here
that is going to stop us going through what we
are going through right now, which is for months and
months every winter for the last two winters, the closing
down of mills, extremely high power bills, running out of gas.

(00:56):
All of that's going to continued. The disappointing thing is
that we have waited two whole winters for this package
of ideas, and yet the best idea seems to me
to be a kooky idea, which is the government maybe
backing the construction of an alerng import terminal, which was
an idea that sounded great last winter, but in the
months since when we've actually had a look at the
thing and had some reports done, it has been debunked

(01:17):
for being quite expensive for not a lot of gain.
It would cost somewhere to set up one of these terminals,
most likely at the port of Taranaki. It would cost
somewhere between two hundred million dollars and a billion dollars,
which is not money that we have. The gas that
we would then import from offshore to basically make up
for the shortage of gas that we have in the
country at the moment, would be expensive. It would be

(01:38):
very expensive gas. Have a look at what you pay
for your gas right now, add twenty five percent to that.
The second best idea in this seems to be the
government throwing tax payer money at the partially owned gent
tailor's in order that they can raise capital to build
more generation, which is not capital that they appear to
be asking for. They do not seem to have a
shortage of money, as evidenced by the fact that they
keep paying out massive dividends. The upshot for all of this,

(02:01):
as in, how much are we going to save? Simon
wats reckons he might be able to drop power prices
by two percent a year. Two percent. Now, I'll tell
you the problem with this plan is that it appears
and from what I hear, they haven't spent much time
understanding the problem and thus understanding what it would take
to fix it properly. So what they've done is, in haste,

(02:24):
cobbled together a series of what sound like maybe decent
announcements if you're half listening, but really things that will
not do that much. Unfortunately for them, we have an
energy crisis and it is massive. It is probably the
biggest thing that is facing business in this country right now,
A crisis of the size demands a proper fix. This
is becoming a theme for this government, having lots of

(02:47):
really big things to deal with and they're not really
dealing with them properly. This is not really a fix. So, unfortunately,
and I'm so sorry to say this, strap yourself in
because it looks like for next winter, in the winter's
to come, the de industrialization of New Zealand will.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Continue Heather, duper se aled.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Is the text number standard text resupplier. As I say, Simon,
what's this going to be? With us after five o'clock
to took us through this now? Firefighters are not happy.
They claim that the new fire trucks that have been
bought by FENS are too small for all their life
saving gear. Fenns has spent millions on twenty eight new trucks,
but the crews say that the lockers are about twenty
percent smaller than they used to be and they're considering
cutting holes in them to make more room. Meghan Stiffler

(03:30):
is the FENS Deputy National Commander and with us, Hey,
Megan cure, Heather, how are you? Yeah, well, thank you? Okay,
So are they right? Are the lockers smaller?

Speaker 4 (03:40):
We have twenty eight new trucks that have landed in
New Zealand. Eleven of those are used for specialist rescue trucks.
And when we did our testing there is some equipment
that isn't suitable for the new design. So we are
working with our crews currently on identifying why the infantry

(04:00):
is different and how we can best fix that for them. Yeah,
so that's what we're up to at the moment.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
What inventory list is different? What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, what we do is with every fire truck we
have a standard inventory to ensure that every community gets
the same response. With the inventory that was put together
with the working group, there were some items that weren't
listed on that and that's the bit that I'm working
with fire crews at the moment is to understand why
they weren't on the list and if they are required,

(04:33):
how I can best meet their needs by having the desires?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Are you saying, Megan that when you guys bought the trucks,
you bought them for a specific list of gear that
would go in there. But now that the trucks have arrived,
the guys, the firefighters want to chuck more gear in.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Not that they want to truck gear in Heather. I
think we have specialist rescue crews that have you know
what I mean, identify you.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Had bought trucks for X number of of bits of
gear and now there are more bits of gear that
need to go on the trucks. Apparently, is that what's happening?

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, eleven of the twenty eight we have identified needs
some more space and that's what we're working with our
crews on.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
So this is a firefighters problem. They should have given
you a better list.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
Oh no, No, this is an organizational problem that we're
going to solve with our frontline firefighters.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Host fault is this.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
I'd like to think of it as a solution rather
than false. I think if we work together.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
What a crop come off us. If you're buying, you
stop it, megan. If you're buying like you are the
firefighters who need to save our lives. If you're buying
fire trucks that are too small, somebody made a mistake.
Who made the mistake? Come on, they voted it.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
They're not too Yeah, I just want to clarify. Those
eleven fire trucks that we're talking about are fit for
purpose for the normal fire pump. So all we're doing
is adjusting our schedule and putting eleven brand new trucks
into communities that ownly.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
But it isn't the.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Problem that they're leaving off all this life saving equipment
that they would need, Like I don't know, jaws of
life stuff to cut people out of car crashes. Isn't
that a sand stuff?

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Not for the standard pump. That's what I'm saying, Like
we've got twenty eight brand new trucks.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
But you guys don't just fight fires, right, you go
and save people from car crashes as well. You need
tours of course.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
And those standard fire trucks that i'm talking about have
standard equipment. It's the really specialist equipment that we're talking
about that. So there would be extra chains for snow
conditions on rescue pumps. There's some extra lifting equipment for
those that are located in train areas where we've got

(06:45):
cargo that help lift trucks if they go over a car.
So those twenty eight trucks aren't wasted. They're actually going
out into community over the next couple of weeks and
they'll be well received by those crews.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
And have you managed to fix that situation where you
had the firefighters sitting in a tray above a big
fire and they couldn't get down because the ladder had
broken or something like that.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah, what we found with that is the firefighters did
an amazing job in using their May day call to
say that they had a problem, and we went through
our normal procedures. And we've just spent twelve million dollars
on five new aerials that are currently being made in
Wellington and in Brisbane and they'll be delivered this financial year.

(07:32):
So you know, our firefighters will have twelve million dollars
worth of aerials in their hands by the end of
this financial.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
So they're not going to get stuck up in the
bucket above a fire again.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
No, and keeping in mind they're complex pieces of equipment, Heather,
that's why we've got all those procedures in place because
things can go wrong.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
With those mean, did I just hear that you guys
that your firefighters going on strike as well in a
couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
They have given us notice today and.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
It all got isn't it.

Speaker 7 (08:01):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
We've been in negotiations with the union for twelve months.
In September when we were bargaining, we indicated that next
week we'd be bringing back a revised settlement. So we're
a little disappointed that notices come in today, but we'll
work through it and to me, we need to get
a resolution so our firefighters can get on with their

(08:24):
job and do the best thing that they can do.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
All right, Meghan, Hey, thanks for your time. Megan Stiffler,
the FENS Deputy National Commander now SAD to say it's official.
Nicole has filed for divorce from Keith after nineteen years
of marriage, because yesterday we'd heard TMZ had broken the
news that they were separating, like everybody's normal, Like famous
but normal couple separated yesterday. Today filed for divorce. Nicole

(08:47):
had been petitioned today to end the marriage in a
Nashville court, and the filing states the marriage has suffered
irreconcilable differences. Gossip is well. I don't like to repeat gossip,
but once the gossip hats the news, it's not really
goss any more, is it. It's just news. He's got
a new bird and she's a lot younger for sixteen.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
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Speaker 3 (09:12):
Behither that fire lady made my day. The may Day works.
It's good thing. May Day works when you're stuck up
there above the fire getting getting sizzled, isn't it? Nineteen
past four Sport.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
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Speaker 3 (09:26):
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Speaker 8 (09:28):
That's all it does, Heather the Duples Allen, host of
the eponymous program headed duples Allen Drive.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Now we know who we are. How are you?

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Your vocab is always surprisingly large, is it? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (09:38):
Why do you say that?

Speaker 5 (09:39):
I'm well read?

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, but you're still a bogan.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Yeah, I'm still a bogan. The V eight's my singlets
and my bogan and chokes?

Speaker 8 (09:51):
How is a packer lung dats lung DUTs?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Hey? How are we looking for that T twenty tonight?

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Well, whether apparently it's got be okay, we'll see.

Speaker 8 (10:00):
I think that this three match series will be one
two to one to the weather and Ossie made when
the first one. It's not looking good over the weekend,
but look seven fifteen, it's not poor scorn upon it
nor rain. The worst thing about this is one of
the potential greats of the game if you read but
everyone's written in Indeed, you've seen him better in Revenger

(10:22):
and he what happens Last's face? It was diving for
a catch, I believe, and he hits a bit of
advertising hoarding.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
What here?

Speaker 10 (10:32):
Hello?

Speaker 3 (10:33):
I don't know why, but I went underwater diving for
a catch. It sounded like he was diving for a
fish catch. Now I understand, though, how badly.

Speaker 9 (10:41):
Did he cuss it spear fishing?

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, quite bad.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
I'd say it's gonna tried right through his cheek.

Speaker 8 (10:48):
Well, they say it is a major laceration to his face.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Beautiful face to have cussed as well.

Speaker 8 (10:54):
Okay, yeah, I'll just take your word on that one
here that yeah, wait, we're.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
More concerned about his abilit in the park then gone,
but gone for the whole series. It must be a
serious laceration.

Speaker 8 (11:06):
That'sense and it's a team that's lost some of its
heavy headers. Anyway, Mitchell Santon's not there, came Williamson and
turn up. There's no surprise for that.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Clinton Phillips is a gon Berger, so he not around me.
So there's it's lacking.

Speaker 8 (11:21):
But in saying that, the depth of New Zealand short
version cricket is what it's.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
We're talking about fishing, spear fishing. It's Marianna trench, trench deep.
I'd say there's a lot of very sharp players for
this New Zealand side. So how they come against the
old foe I will find it at seven fifteen, that's
when that starts. You can listen to that with those
reckless fellow Bogans. The acc fos of their commentary as

(11:49):
as loose as they come.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
And then the White fans.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, that's at.

Speaker 8 (11:52):
Ten thirty tonight and they too are playing Australia. It's
the opening game of the Women's World Cup. And I
was working for rock radio last time, the White fence.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
You're just reinforcing your Bogan credentials.

Speaker 8 (12:10):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, you know I've cut my
teeth in rock radio and a couple of different rock
radio stations on my dad. See I've got the voice, right, yeah, yeah,
see bird Bogan and chokes and darts. But it's such
a long time ago. The social media feed though, the
White fan's been amazing. But when they announced the team,
they're corresponding numbers from that twenty twenty team, handed the

(12:32):
jerseys out, they.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Had it all on the little Instagram feed. It was cool.

Speaker 8 (12:36):
So Melie Kurz joining the show tonight to talk about
this game gets underway at ten thirty up against the Ossie.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
She's definitely one of the senior members of the team.

Speaker 8 (12:45):
She's so senior in fact, she's hasn't even turned twenty five.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Wow, that's incredible life.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
She was even born when they last won.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
The World cups making me feel old. Darcy, thank you,
looking forward to your show this evening. Darcy Walter Grave
will be back at seven.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
Avel and I know who you are because you do listen.
I get texts thank you.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Here the welcome back for Sports Talk for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
The name you.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Trust to get the answers you need, it's Heather Duplicy
Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one
else News talk.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
There'd be ah listen.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
The American government shut down. The US government shutdown could
be happening at five oh one, so we're only about
what let me do my mats thirty six minutes away
from that, so stand by for that. We're going to
talk to Jonathan Cursley about it shortly. Obviously, sad news
today that Nigel latter has passed away. He passed away yesterday.
Seems to have gone downhill really quickly. He went to

(13:39):
his oncologist last Wednesday. The oncologist said his body couldn't
take the treatment anymore, so the treatment was stopped. He
accepted it. He went to hospice last week, passed away
yesterday and as I say, fifty eight years old, we're
gonna have a chat to Nick Russell, who's one of
his friends. Will be with us after five o'clock. It's
for twenty six. Now do you remember the big meeting
of the American generals that was called We've had it,

(14:00):
and it's probably not of the gravity that we were expecting,
like I thought, oh we're here, we were preparing for
war with China. No, it was about fitness standards. Pete
Higseth gave a speech about it, said, fat generals are gone.

Speaker 11 (14:13):
It's tiring to look out at combat formations or really
any formation and see fat troops. Likewise, it's completely unacceptable
to see fat generals and admirals in the wholes of
the Pentagon.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
So what they're going to do is they're going to
have everybody do the male fitness tests, and if the
women can't do the male fitness tests, tough luck, they're out.
All staff will be weighed twice a year, and beard's
are banned.

Speaker 11 (14:35):
Superficial individual expression. We're gonna cut our hair, shave our beards,
and in her standards. We don't have a military full
of Nordic pagans.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
He said that there will be no more beard os.
He also said he's undertaking a full review of the
Department's definitions of so called toxic leadership, bullying and hazing.
To empower leaders to enforce standards without fear of retribution
or second guessing drool. Sergeants will be empowered to instill
healthy fear and new recruits, ensuring that future wall fighters
are forged. Yes, they can toss bunks, they can swear,

(15:06):
they can put their hands on recruits.

Speaker 11 (15:08):
No more identity months, DEI officers dudes in dresses. As
I've said before, and we'll say again, we are done
with that shit.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
And Donald Trump was there and he was unnerved by
the lack of clapping.

Speaker 12 (15:23):
I've never walked into a room so so and before
this is very don't left.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Don't know if you're not allowed to do that. You know,
we just have a good time. And if you want
to applaud, you applaud.

Speaker 12 (15:34):
And if you want to do anything you want, you
can do anything you want. And if you don't like
what I'm saying, you can leave the room. Of course,
there goes your rank, there goes your future.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
So at least they laughed.

Speaker 13 (15:45):
They're not.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Actually the reason they didn't clap is because they're not
actually supposed to clap because they're generals and they're supposed
to be sort of, you know, non political. But anyway,
whatever of it that doesn't that kind of convention is
not in Donald Trump's vocabulary. Obviously, It's gone down as
possibly the birdest speech given in the history of speeches
in America. So we'll have a chat to Jonathan Kursley

(16:06):
about that when he's with us shortly. News Talks dB.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home it's Heather duplic Ellen
drive with one New Zealand had the power of satellite
mobile News Talk said, be.

Speaker 14 (16:27):
I remember when we were driving driving in your car
speed the fast fell.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Right, Barry, Soapa is going to be with us in
ten minutes. As I said, We're going to have a
chat to Simon. What's the energy minister who's going to
be in studio after five o'clock. Probably the I think
the most telling, the sign that illustrates to you the
most that this is not nearly what people were expecting
this announcement today is what happened to the Gen Taylors
on the inns of X today. Meridian, which was the

(16:55):
first one you know basically to welcome what the government
had done that saw its shares go up three point
six percent in the first hour of trading. Mercury went
up one percent, Genesis went up two point one percent.
The fact that they went up indicates to you that
people were happy to pile their money back in because
it ain't nothing going to happen to them. Because that's
what we were expecting and that's not what happened. Anyway,

(17:15):
we'll talk to some of what's about it after five
twenty four away from.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive I.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Must have been warned to take this peace deal or
alse Donald Trump's giving them three to four days.

Speaker 12 (17:27):
We have one signature that we're near and that SEG
will pay in how they don't sign, I hope they're
signing for their own good and we create something really great.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Meanwhile, the US government is on the verge of a
shutdown after Senate votes failed again.

Speaker 15 (17:42):
I think it is inevitable now. It's a very reckless
decision that Chuck Schumer has made. The Democrats have taken
the last vote. Within the last few hours, they voted
it down once again, and so there's no other option.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
We have less than half an hour left before some
not all, but some of the government services over there
will be brought to a temporary halt. And finally, The
Simpsons is returning to the big screen. They made a
movie in two thousand and seven. The sequel to that
movie will hit theaters in two thousand and thirty seven.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
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Speaker 3 (18:21):
Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent is with us ALO Jonathan Hea.

Speaker 16 (18:26):
They're always good to talk to you and the listeners
on the other side of the Pacific.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
And you, mate, so what's going to shut down at five?

Speaker 16 (18:33):
Well, mate, you're going to see parks and services shut down.
You're going to see a whole range of government services
shut down. We are, as you said, less than half
an hour away, twenty three minutes away from a shutdown
coming into effect, and unless something drastic can be done
within the course of the next little while while, then yes,
we'll be a historic shutdown for the United States of America.
When it comes to things like airports, well they won't

(18:54):
completely grind to a halt because what they are going
to do is airport workers and air traffic controllers, they're
going to be deemed essential workers, so they will be
allowed to operate. But essentially every other federal service. You're
looking at the military there, you're looking at issues around
museum staff and park staff that this is going to

(19:15):
be monstrous. Bureaucrats right across the board are going to
go without pay. And this happens in America almost every
six months. We send to get to this point of
government shutdown talks looming. But this time around it has
not going to be averted at the eleventh hour, and
we are going to be going into a shutdown. Both
sides of politics essentially blaming each other. But at the

(19:37):
end of the day, what is going to happen is
people are going to wind up not having their paychecks.
That's going to dent the economy. We already heard the
American President essentially say today that if they do go
down this path, then he will be allowed to do
things that are inreversible. Now that could well mean shutting
down elements of government departments.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
It could mean down departments.

Speaker 16 (19:58):
Altogether and laying off he views as an overstocked bureaucracy.
It is going to be a fundamental next twenty four
hours to see how this furlough process, how this process
goes for those heavily involved in the federal workforce.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Was that one of the weirdest speeches ever given to
US military leaders.

Speaker 14 (20:19):
If you're talking about the one earlier today.

Speaker 17 (20:21):
That was perhaps the most eyebrow raising speech to military
leaders I think I have heard in my entire journalistic career,
which is almost some twenty years.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Pete Hegseth had called.

Speaker 16 (20:34):
Military leaders generals from around the world to gather in Virginia,
and none of them seemed to really know what was
actually going to transpire. What did transpire was, in a sense,
a Donald Trump megapolitical rally, but in front of generals
who didn't exactly have the same sense of humor that
perhaps he had. We heard Pete Hesseth, the now Secretary

(20:56):
of War, saying that he did not want to have
beard o Yes you heard that, correct, beard os not
weirdos in the military, and he did not want to
have fat people roaming the halls of the Pentagon. He's
trying to strike an image here. And then the speech
from the Commander in Chief himself, while it was extraordinary,
ranged from talking about military issues and war issues to

(21:19):
domestic issues and Joe Biden, his predecessor. There were little
laughs from the audience, and you would not have expected.

Speaker 14 (21:26):
Many military generals.

Speaker 16 (21:28):
Are stifled at the best of times. Perhaps the only
sniggers that did come may well have been from the
President and the Secretary of War Zone staff. It was
just it was an extraordinary speech.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, it really was. Now, Nicole Kidman, what's going on here?
Has he been having an affair?

Speaker 18 (21:47):
Well, it doesn't seem as though there's been something nefarious
going on, but it certainly seems as though from the
divorce papers that have been filed, in the reports that
are out through entertainment website TMC in the United States,
that he may well have found somebody else to be
romantically involved with, or at least somebody else.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
To be involved with.

Speaker 16 (22:03):
Round about thirty six hours ago we heard these rumblings
that there was a separation, and now you know that
time period on. Well, it is Nicole who has filed
for divorce in Nashville. They're already talking about how they're
going to divide up their time as co parents. Nicole
will get the children three hundred and six days a year,
and it seems as though Keith will get them for

(22:24):
the remainder. So read between the lines on this, and
I think you can see that Nicole very clearly is
not very happy with the situation as it is as
it stands now. Yesterday the reports that she was trying
to save the marriage. She wanted to salvage it. Today,
though it is they are headed for divorce after some
nineteen years or so of marriage. It is a it

(22:47):
stunned Hollywood, to be honest, Heeather. I mean, they were
seen as somewhat of the Golden couple here. It was
said when it came to love that there was nothing
like Nicole and Keith, and now they are headed.

Speaker 14 (23:01):
Their separate ways.

Speaker 16 (23:02):
I mean, divorce sadly happens to so many couples right
across the world, and now it's happening to one of
the biggest entertainment names in America.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah too, right, Jonathan, Thanks very much, Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent.
I guess, I guess brace for the Daily Mail to
reveal within the next I don't know, God knows how
long it'll take them. I'm sure they're going to dig
out who as new Birders and then reveal the name.
Don't you think seventeen away.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
From Heather Duplicy Ellen, Okay, I had.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
A question for you. Do you pay for things with
your phone? You know how you can load your credit
card on and then you can just tap it and
you basically you do the payWave with your phone. The
reason I'm asking this is because I was reading I
was shocked by data that I saw out of the
UK today, which is that half of UK adults and
now regularly paying for things tapping on their phone, and

(23:48):
it is going up fast. It went from thirty four
percent to fifty percent of adults, like a third of
adults to fifty percent of adults within one year. But
it's really why I'm shocked by is it's because it's
really generation so the young ones do it all the
time and the older ones don't do it. So if
you're if you've got a young one sixteen to twenty
four years old, seventy eight percent to them are using

(24:08):
their phone to pay for things. Twenty five to thirty
four years old seventy three percent. Thirty five to forty
four years old was my age bracket fifty nine fifty
nine percent. I'm in I'm in the minority. I'm in
the forty one percent who haven't done this, forty five
to fifty four percent, it's half fifty five to sixty
four percent, it's thirty six percent, and then yet into

(24:29):
the pensioners and only nine sixty five and over, only
nineteen percent of the people doing it. Anyway, I'm interested
if you're doing it, because I have no good reason
for why I haven't done it. I think it's I
think I'm slightly weird about it on my phone and
then somebody packing up my phone and then newsing like
I don't know. I mean, it makes no sense to
me why I don't do it. But it just feels
like one of those admin things that hadn't hadn't occurred

(24:53):
to me that I needed to do it, and now
I feel really old and I feel like I need
to do it. Are you doing it anyway? Let me know.
Sixteen away from five.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
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Speaker 3 (25:03):
It is entirely possible that Simon Watts is not going
to be in the studio because Simon is stuck in traffic.
There has been a crash and his eta to news
talks he'd be is five five and we need to
be on air with him at five oh seven, so
I will keep you posted on how that goes. Thirteen
away from five, Barry Soper, senior political correspondents with us
Aller Barry.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
There'll be an electric car, wouldn't he hear?

Speaker 9 (25:23):
The good afternoon?

Speaker 3 (25:24):
God only knows this a so car? Though? This is underwhelming,
isn't it?

Speaker 9 (25:29):
It's interesting, isn't it? Because a company, Frontier Economics, was
hard to give them a report. It's a pretty comprehensive report.
I've been looking at quite a lot of it. But
the government, really the answer to it, has just turned
down a lot of stuff that was suggested. The answer
their answer was, look to tell the gent Taylors that

(25:52):
they can have more money if that's what they want.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Which gen Taylors are asking for more money?

Speaker 9 (25:56):
Well, the answer Jesus Mercury and Meridian. Well, I'm a
shareholder and a couple of them, and the shares have
paid pretty well.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
At least two of them, so they shares have just
gone up in value exactly.

Speaker 9 (26:10):
Well, they can borrow more money as well, which is
a good thing. But I guess it's one way of
the government saying, look, we want we want more electricity
generation in terms of getting a backup system of the
system as it does most winters fails to some extent,
so there's not obviously not enough investment going in. So

(26:32):
Nikola Willis said she'd written to the three and said
to them that, look, they would certainly put up capital
for any new projects. What they didn't do that would
suggested that they should do is the renationalization of twenty
nine line companies. They'd suggested they should be reduced to five,

(26:54):
and that would have made the system easier to handle
in terms of many things like in seeing in what
have you.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Did frontier economics not also recommend that the entire electricity
system get taken out of the ETS.

Speaker 9 (27:06):
Yes, they did.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
Yes, that would.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Have like literally an immediate effect. You could take it
out of the ETS and tomorrow your electricity is cheaper.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (27:14):
Well, the interesting thing is that the man who made
the most significant changes to the electricity system in the
last probably ever in this country was Max Bradford. He
took to it with a chainsaw and they were sweeping,
cutting the Electricity Corporation's state monopoly and setting up Meridian

(27:36):
Genesis and Mighty River, which is now called Mercury, but
you know, he really didn't. Finally, Max has been in
touch with me today. He's overseas at the moment, but
he said, look, he's disappointed that they didn't go further.
They didn't look at nuclear energy. And you know, this
is a man who obviously has a lot of interest
and energy. Some would say his interest in Terius in

(28:00):
the right direction, but he said, look, nuclear energy is
something that we should be looking at if we want
an uninterrupted flow of energy, and it is safe. I mean,
I've been reading a lot about it this afternoon for
talking to you.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Before talking to.

Speaker 9 (28:15):
You, and only in the last sixty years there have
only been three accident to accidents at nuclear sites down
the downstream effect that it was worse than Chernobyl for example,
people suffered for years after that. But it is the
advances that's been made in nuclear energy have been significant,

(28:37):
and in fact, you know, that could be the way
that we should be locking it won't happen in this country.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
It's a bold suggestion, certainly bolder than anything some of
what's come up to Luxel and leadership. What's happened well, Audrey.

Speaker 9 (28:51):
Young did an interesting interview with LUXEM because you know,
a lot of talk about his leadership since the mood
of the boardroom at the Herald was taken lucks and
dropping from number six last year to fifteen this year,
and similarly Nicola Willison's popularity among the chief executives three
last year to thirteen this year. So she did an

(29:13):
interview with lux and I was quite interested in it.
Reflecting on his leadership, he said he accepted the frustration
of people and what some see as the government not
doing enough, but Luxon says he hasn't lost sight of
the reason why he came into politics.

Speaker 19 (29:28):
I came to politics four years ago because I think
there's an awesome country that's not realizing its potential and
I want to do that. That's the mission and purpose
that I've signed up for. I fully understand it's really
difficult and tough times. I understand on the face of
the government to New Zealand and to stakeholders, and in
my job is to keep very focused on what New
Zealanders need me to do, which is to get the
economy turned around. I want New Zealand to be the

(29:50):
best small country on Earth. I believe that we can
do that. I think we've got immense potential, but we
have to make some tough decisions about that, and so
I appreciate not everyone will be on board with that.

Speaker 9 (30:01):
It's interesting when you consider, and I have said this before,
that this man Luxen came from a job in New
Zealand chief executive paying several million dollars a year to
the Prime Minister's job paying a fraction of that. So
he came into it with the best of intentions, as
most people do come into politics. So you know, I

(30:22):
think it has taken a long time for significant benefits
to show to the country in terms of the policies
that have been implemented. But you know, you can't doubt
this man's sincerity in my view, that he's here to
do a better job for this country and certainly not
for himself.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
All right, Barry, thank you very much. Barry sober Seen.
Your political correspondence is coming up seven away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking.

Speaker 20 (30:50):
Breakfast how reform daily Energy Minister Simon Watts websites who
will be disappointed that you haven't split the gen tailor's.

Speaker 21 (30:56):
Well, might let's be fair the splitting of the gen
Taylors is good politics, but it's not good policy. The
major issue we're dealing with here is the fact that
their investments has not been happening.

Speaker 20 (31:07):
But how do you debtail that with Mike Fus, who
we had on earlier on in the program, said we've
never seen so much investment.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
We're booming an investment.

Speaker 21 (31:13):
Well, Mike, you know, we've got a pretty significant renewable pipeline.
But am I seeing that flow through in terms of
the price of energy? No, that is what is hitting hard.

Speaker 10 (31:21):
Kiri Households and Kii businesses.

Speaker 20 (31:23):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
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Speaker 3 (31:29):
It's four away from five. Listen this business with the
Auckland University course that's our Maori course that all the
students were forced to take and then pay for. Actors
come out and said that they want the students to
be refunded because it's of no real value to the students. Now,
I didn't realize it cost up to six thousand dollars
for some of these students to do the entire course
that they were required to do. Anyway, we're going to
have a chat to Paljeep Palmer, who's an act MP.

(31:50):
He'll be with us after half past. Hither, I'm eighty.
I've been tapping my phone to pay for everything for
the last three and a half years. It's safer than
having a card because you need your facial recognition to
open your phone. Anyone can use your card and spend
two hundred dollars multiple times without being correct. This is
a very you must modernize your habits, Heather. I'm being
told by an eighty year old. Thank you. It's a

(32:10):
very good point that you make. Actually, Hither, I'm seventy.
I've been paying tapping with my phone for years. Most recently,
I was behind an older lady than me and she
tapped with her Apple Watch. She was very impressive, Heather.
After getting scammed four cards when I was traveling, a
bank manager recommended I use my phone because apparently the
numbers tumble and thus can't be scanned. And that's from Anthony,
who is seventy. I just love the experience of being

(32:32):
told by the boomers how to be more modern than
I am. What I am putting it down to in
my own defense, is that if you are a boomer,
you've got more time than I do. So this is
why you have time to sit around and fiddle with
your phone and figure out how to put the cards on.
I don't have that kind of time because you know children,
you'll remember what that's like. There's no such thing as time.
You just basically you run. You finish your day's work,

(32:57):
run to the room, fall over and go to sleep,
and that's where they find you the next morning, wake
you up and you.

Speaker 14 (33:03):
Just start it all again.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
So anyway, if one of you boomers can come over
and set up my phone, I'd appreciate it. Lord, Okay,
where Simon is he here? Beatty? Oh, Jesu's cutting it
fine here, reckons he's et eights Simon Watts ETA five
oh six for a five oh seven interview. I can
really stretch out that introduction by him, you know, another
twenty seconds, we'll see how we go.

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Speaker 3 (33:51):
Ev Oh, good afternoon. There's a fair bit of disappointment
today with the government's much hyped energy reforms plans announced
this morning included a new imported gas terminal and the
government freeing up money for the crown controlled gent tailors
to build more generation consumer New Zealand. Simon Bridges of
the Auckland Chamber of Commerce and the opposition parties all
have all criticized the plan. Simon, what's the energy ministers

(34:12):
with me right now? Has Simon? Heather you made it
in time. It's a bit of a run.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
I did I apologize that crash on the bridge.

Speaker 23 (34:17):
Welcome to Auckland.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, but at least you're training for a half marriage.

Speaker 9 (34:20):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 23 (34:20):
It's great to be here.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
So you had you had the speed to get in.
Now talk to me about this import terminal. How much
would it cost?

Speaker 23 (34:26):
Look, we don't have a price on it at this point.
We're going to go to the market and ask what options.
It's pretty complex building an importation terminal. You can have
medium size and large sizes. But we're going to get
feedback from the market and make a decision on it
by Christmas.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Would you go medium or large?

Speaker 23 (34:39):
Well, it depends what's available on the market. We want
to make sure that we get this terminal in place
as fast as practical, So we're going to have to
consider what's available. That most of stuff comes in from overseas.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
On its large as a billion dollars. You don't have
a billion dollars.

Speaker 14 (34:52):
It can come.

Speaker 23 (34:52):
It can get up to some pretty reasonable numbers. Again,
the way in which you funders, there are options in
the context of other of the provider are actually funding it,
so you know, we'll be looking at the different options.
There are scenarios where the government don't contribute capital to
this model. Who would Well, there are models which you
can enter into with some of these big providers to
put in place the terminal, and then we'd need to

(35:14):
do They.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Want to though, because this thing doesn't make any economic sense.
The gas that comes out of it as expensive and
the way we've done.

Speaker 23 (35:18):
Some market sounding already in regards to that. There is
some interest out there in regards to that terminal, and
so we're going to.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
You can turn the funnel to be to be fair
to you, you did have to run in so no
surprising loud who would do it if they if they
wanted to do it, simon, they would have done it already,
wouldn't they.

Speaker 23 (35:36):
No, Because the last government had a pretty clear policy
of you know, shutting down Huntley, shutting down oil and gas,
which as a result of that left us in a
pretty desperate situation.

Speaker 24 (35:48):
Last year.

Speaker 23 (35:50):
We've come in, we've identified the problem. I've got to
lack of fuel, we've got a lack of generation when
we haven't got enough water in our dams, and we've
got to mash the fissue around sovereign risk because of
what the last guys did and now no one has
confidence to be able to invest, so we're having to
unpick all those three elements and the ten point plan
them have put in place. You've got to look at
it as a package of interventions. Lergy terminal is one

(36:10):
of the interventions, but also the regulary model that we're
putting in place will make sure that the market does
have appropriate firming capacity in a dry year. At the moment,
there's no regulation of that in the market.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
We're going to work.

Speaker 23 (36:23):
Through the exact regulatory model with the industry and have
that done by Q one of next year. But in effect,
we've asked transpower to look at the demand and supply,
see what the gap is, and then the EA regulator
will enforce and make sure that's gaps cover.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
But how do you force them to have firm in
capacity if they don't know? They would already have it
if they if they could.

Speaker 23 (36:42):
Currently, the market does not regulate to make sure that
there is appropriate firming capacity to deal with a dry year.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
We're talking about Huntley's stockpile and coal. They are already
doing that.

Speaker 23 (36:53):
They are, but that is not going to be sufficient
as we see a significant build out of more renewables
and the fact that everyone is using a lot more
electricity than what they have on pat.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
What are your options for firm incapacity? Gas and coal,
gas and coal.

Speaker 23 (37:04):
That's what we've got and realistically that's our options.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Okay. The money for the gent tailors, which of the
gent tailors are asking for money to help them build generation?

Speaker 23 (37:14):
Well, at this stage we haven't got any of the
gent tailors asking for money, but the report identified that
there is a perception that if they did ask government,
the answer would be no. And that's because under the
last government the answer.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Would have been some in the not short on money out,
They've got enough money if they wanted. Well, the reality
is is they're paying it out and dividends.

Speaker 23 (37:32):
Well, the government is a major shareholder and three of
those entities, and any capital raise needs to be approved
by government. You know, under the last government they were
not going to be approving anything with coal or gas
eve anywhere near it. And so we've been very clear
to say, look, we're going to be able. We will
be investing if you ask us too, because we need

(37:52):
that generation.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Are you wanting them to build more gas generation more
coal generation?

Speaker 23 (37:56):
Either we need more generation and Huntly absolutely we are.
Do they want to Well, the reality is we're going
to have to replace Huntley by about twenty thirty five anyway,
because it's coming up.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
It's about sixty years old.

Speaker 23 (38:09):
So we are going to need to think about what
that model is in the future. Under the last government,
there was no certainty Hunty was going to close. I
don't know how the lights would have been stayed on
last winter at all if we hadn't had Huntly, because
I could tell you what they wouldn't have.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Now, how much cheaper would electricity be if you just
took it out of the ets?

Speaker 23 (38:27):
Well we know that well in regards to the ETS,
we've ruled that out.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
That's not something and why why would you do that?

Speaker 25 (38:32):
Because it's not.

Speaker 23 (38:33):
Going to be aligned with the government's principles around a
credible ets market. And also the peer review, we had
two international peer reviews. They also discredited that and said
that wasn't an appropriate mechanism because we've got an emissions
trading scheme that does removes emissions. That's the heavy lifting
vehicle the government's committed to. And you can't just take
electricity one industry completely out of the market and leave

(38:56):
electricity impacts every part of the market. So it's just
not a sensible would it be the We don't have
an exact indication of.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Well, I had a look at said wholesale prices might
come down by up to thirty percent.

Speaker 23 (39:08):
That is not numbers that are consistent with the analysis.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
What is the analysis you've seen?

Speaker 23 (39:11):
I definitely have not seen numbers of that.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Scale ten to thirty percent. You haven't seen No.

Speaker 23 (39:16):
I haven't seen that.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
So what have you seen?

Speaker 23 (39:17):
I haven't got the numbers in front of me in
regards to numbers are but you know they're not. Mind
whether they're nowhere in the in the spectrum in which
you're recommending, we've got to go back.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
What's all the point that I'm trying to make here, though, Simon,
is that you could tomorrow, you could make our electricity
prices cheaper significantly as opposed to the two percent that
you're talking about, and it would make a big difference, right,
because what you're talking about is we've got to have
a credible climate policy here. At the same time we
have mills shutting down, we have businesses unable to forward
their power bills. You have got a crisis on your hands,

(39:49):
but you want to keep your reputation as a climate
as a client.

Speaker 23 (39:51):
Problem is that we do not have sufficient fuel to
power our existing generation gas peakers. In particular today, it
is a fuel shortage priving up the price, which is
causing mills to shut and we need that fuel. And
so the decisions that we've announced and the actions were
announced today.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Deal with the problem.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
States Chang isn't going to solve.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
That problem, but it does. What it does is it
solves the price problem that you've got today as opposed
to what you're talking about, which is twenty twenty.

Speaker 23 (40:20):
Price problem that we have today is driven by the
fact that we do not have adequate firming fuel in
the market, and that is why the price is what
it is about thirty to fifty dollars a megawatt. Is
the risk premium built into the power price today because
the market does not have certainty that if we have
a dry year it can be covered.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Why don't you do what Phraser winner A said, which
is to take coal out of the etes or at
least price coal at the same level as gas.

Speaker 23 (40:44):
Look, the reality is is we're going to need gas
in addition to coal in order to firm our electricity.
And as I said, that is an area that we
are preceding.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Coal at the same level as gas because at least
it's more affordable than for the country.

Speaker 23 (40:57):
Because we're not in the market around trying to set prices.
We want to make sure that we've got the appropriate
amount of fuel to run the generation capacity we have today,
and that we don't have that at the moment.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
It's your announcement which you have made today going to
stop the closure of mills.

Speaker 23 (41:11):
It is going to put downward pressure on energy prices,
and that is one of the major issues businesses want
from Wescy. Businesses want certainty and the interventions and actions
that we've announced today will have an immediate effect on
that downward pressure price. We've announced a number of those interventions.
We're releasing the RFI around what the government's going to buy.
We're going to do the allergy RFI next Monday. The

(41:34):
signal that I've instructed transpower around some of the relatory
work has started immediately, and you know, as an eventive,
as a package of interventions, this is the most significant
package of interventions that we've seen in decades. And importantly
it deals with the problem that our energy market faces,
and that's a lack affirming fuel and generation capacity.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Simon, thank you for coming in. I appreciate you making
the effort very very much. Say so, what's the energy
minister called to pass? Heather? We all want lower prices?
What planet? As Simon watts on, it's eighteen past five now,
of course, the news today is that Nigel Latter has
passed away at the age of fifty eight after a
battle with gastric cancer. Now Nigel was known for his
work on parenting and healthy eating. He fronted shows like

(42:16):
The Politically Incorrect Parenting Show and Is Sugar the Than
New Fat. He was also the ambassador for Kenzie's Gift,
which is a charity that supports children and families affected
by death. Nick Russell is the founder of Kenzie's Gift
and a friend of Nigel latter hei.

Speaker 13 (42:28):
Nick, Hi, how the how are you?

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I'm very well, thank you. Tough news for you today.

Speaker 13 (42:32):
I'd imagine it was very tough news. It's very such
for everyone concerned that knew in the messing mind that
nigelada was. So it's our heart's really great today to
has to family amos loved ones, because they'll be doing
it really tough in the times I had, so our
heart's really with them today.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Nick, am I right in thinking this was completely unexpected
because while he had cancer, he's sort of he was
under the impression he had years.

Speaker 13 (43:00):
Well, I mean that that was I mean it's it's
always unexpected when it comes, and I think it's and
you just never know what when you're living with cancer,
what what will occur. So while it might been unexpected,
you know, it's it's the nature of living with you know,
incurable cancer. We just don't know what it's going to
turn out. So unfortunately for Nagel and his family it's

(43:23):
it's come all too soon and for all of us
that it's going to be shocked by his death today.
So yeah, it's it's it's hard, but that, unfortunately is
the nature of living with this awful illness.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Now, look, how did you how did he get involved
with your your charity?

Speaker 13 (43:39):
Well, I set up Kensy's Skift after my little one
died back in two thousand and five, and I sit
up in two thousand and eight and and it's seen
and heard Nigel. He had done a couple of his
parenting talks and and he loved his forthrightness, his honesty,
his pragmatism, and I thought I'd love to have Nigel
as the ambassador, and with such a little charity, he
would just really help us, you know, alone, And so

(44:02):
I emailed them, not expecting that, you know, a celebrity
and well known Kiri such as Nigel would ever get
back to me. And he did, and we went and
met for a coffee at his favorite cafe in Mount
Aiden and we had a chat and for about an hour,
and and that relationship was born from there, really, And

(44:22):
it wasn't until years and later that he told me
Nick had actually planned and saying no, but when I
got there, when we sat down, I couldn't And and
thank god he didn't and and he's because when we met,
actually he said to me, Nick, do you really want me?
He said, because I I say things that offend people,
and and and people can be quite critical of some
of the things I say. I said, but you said

(44:43):
as Nigel, And yeah, I really we really wanted him
on board. And yeah, and and he joined and the
rest is history. Really an amazing, amazing man.

Speaker 24 (44:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
How many parents do you Reckon raised his raise their
kids on his books?

Speaker 13 (44:59):
Oh gosh, I think a probably a whole generation got one?
Have you got one? I do have one. It's you know,
unraising boys as well like most sons.

Speaker 12 (45:08):
No.

Speaker 13 (45:08):
Twenty five and some of his talks where we've been
to we've got some searched face from Nigel about raising
said boys. And yeah, I definitely think a whole generation
of curious have been raised on and has ways words
of wisdom.

Speaker 7 (45:22):
Really.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, yeah, Nick, thanks very much, really appreciated. Nick Russell,
Kenzie's Gift founder and friend of friend of Nigel latter.
I actually think, you know what, I think I've got
two books. I think I might have the one about
raising boys, and I think I might have the politically
incorrect one, which actually incidentally was given to me by
one of the teachers at kindy who thought, well, it
must have just connected that had gone, Oh, she looks
like she's a politically incorrect parent. Here have that book

(45:45):
that'll endorse all the things that you're doing. Anyway, absolutely
have to get around to reading it hither. I don't understand.
If the government took the green tax off the petrol
and power, it would put money straight into people's pockets
immediately and they would win the election easily. So what's
the problem. I don't know. Look, I'll tell you why.
It's because if they take it out of the ets,
what it becomes is the government hates the climate. The

(46:06):
government's already done a bunch of stuff that puts them
on the wrong side of the climate climate activists, and
we're just entrenched that and then it would ruin their reputations,
and reputations are important to politicians. Listen, we've got an
update on Dame Knowles for you, So let's talk about
that next five to twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
It's Heather doficy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news dogs, they'd be.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Here the Simon Watts was very good. They I love
to hear his passion. Five twenty five. Listen. The latest
on the Dame Knowles situation today is that, as we
suspected yesterday, yes, there is a split in the senior
Silver Ferns players as to whether Dame Knowles should return
to the coaching job or not. There's a report out
today that says Grayson Wicker and Karen Berger are in

(46:49):
the pro noles camp, but there is a group of
senior players who are unnamed who want it gone. They
haven't been named, but it's been hinted that they may
include some of the players who have not made themselves
available for selection for the Silver Ferns. And the report
concludes like this, Even with Wacker and Berger's endorsements, Todoer
faces a major battle to stay on unless there is
overwhelming approval from the players. She looks to have coached

(47:12):
the side for the final time. Now, doesn't that strike
you as being a bit mental? I don't know that
players should have the power to dictate who the coach is.
Do you Players will not always like the coach. That
is the nature of the relationship. It's kind of like
asking the students who their teachers should be. Netball New
Zealand actually should face some really tough questions over how
they've allowed this to happen where the players call the
shots in the squad. In fact, it seems to me

(47:35):
that there haven't actually been nearly enough tough questions for
Netball New Zealand over how they have been instrumental in
stuffing this whole process up. I mean, for a start,
they left this to the last minute. This business of
the players versus Dame Knowles was brewing since January. They
didn't deal with it properly, and they left it until
about ten days before the Tiny Jamison series to stand
her down. They conducted a review without telling her about it.

(47:58):
They couldn't or wouldn't tell her the names of the
players who were complaining about it. The chief executive stayed
on holiday while this whole crisis played out, And now
once again they've left it to the last minute to
sort it out because they're holding marathon meetings over the
last couple of days. Yesterday the meeting was ten hours
had to be resumed today. They're holding marathon meetings this
week to sort out a thing before the Constellation Cup

(48:19):
camp starts. On Monday.

Speaker 21 (48:21):
Now.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
It seems to me that if there is a blame
on all sides, from the players to the coaching team,
the greatest blame may in fact lie with Netball New
Zealand for letting this get to the point where a
world class coach is being kicked out by rebel players
who call the shots.

Speaker 14 (48:40):
Right.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
We're going to go to the news very shortly, and
then after that let's have a chat to act. They've
written to Auckland University Council to try to get a
refund for the students who paid for that compulsory to
ol Maori course. So is it gonna happen? Is it
not gonna happen? Palm Jeep parter is with us next
News talks eb.

Speaker 14 (49:06):
All the.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
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New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news talks.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
That'd bet judiph that so king the.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Huddle's standing by. It's Tris Sherson and Jack's home this
evening and then after six o'clock we're gonna have a
chat to Look, as I said at the very start
of this hour, there's not a lot of love for
the government's energy plan out today Consumer New Zealand EMA.
Both of them have things to say. They're going to
be with us after six o'clock. So right now it's
twenty five away from sex Now. The ACT Party wants
Auckland University to pay back thousands of students who were

(49:43):
forced to take a paper on the Treaty of White
Tongue Antha aol Mahldy. This year, of course, was of
course compulsory. This year it was controversial. It looks like
it's going to be voluntary next year. ACT MP Palm
Jeep Palmer is with us on this. Hello Pamjet, Hello Hender.
Did it really cost up to five thy seven hundred
dollars per student?

Speaker 26 (50:00):
That's for international students really?

Speaker 3 (50:03):
And what was it? What was it for domestic students?

Speaker 24 (50:05):
Domestic?

Speaker 26 (50:06):
Close to one thousand dollars? Okay, so it's a very
expensive paper.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Is that more? Is one thousand dollars for the paper?
More expensive than your average paper.

Speaker 26 (50:15):
So normally that's the cost. But one thousand dollars students
have to pay for this paper which is not providing
any educational value.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Have you had a chat to Auckland Council. Have you
actually engaged with them on Gottenn indication from them as
to whether they would be prepared to pay it back.

Speaker 26 (50:33):
So what I've done is I've written a letter to them.
I've urged them to adopt Senate's decision because it will
be really important for them to adopt that decision because
then it becomes formal and then this paper becomes optional
from next year. I'm really urging them to do that,
otherwise it is going to hurt university's reputation if they
don't do that, because this is about students choice. What

(50:55):
we have seen is so far is that university has
completely knowed a student interest going forward that should not happen.
And given this is the only batch that is going
to suffer because of this bad decision of the university,
I have written in the letter that the university should
be thinking about some sort of relief for these students.

(51:16):
And I have provided one idea in that letter that
is to provide financial credit which should be equivalent to
fees that students paid for WTR, so that students can
use this towards the paper of their choice.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Okay, the thing is, they did get credits from these papers, right,
and if they hadn't got credits from these papers, they
would have had to get credits from other papers, which
would have cost them as well. So they ended up
probably about the same, haven't they.

Speaker 26 (51:42):
So my thinking here is that students didn't get to
study what they really wanted to study, so they had
to push some papers out, papers that they really wanted to,
papers that are relevant to their degree or their aspirations.
So they'll have to do that paper in future.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Some Yeah, Okay, fair enough, Palji, thanks very much for
your time. Palmji Palmer at Party MP and Education Spokesperson
twenty two away from.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
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Speaker 3 (52:13):
On the Huddle with us this evening, we have Tris
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Speaker 5 (52:20):
Hello Trish.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
That energy plans underwhelming, isn't it?

Speaker 27 (52:25):
Oh? I was thinking I heard you mentioned Fraser Winney recently,
and I was reflecting on the opening line of one
of the lines that he had in his piece that
appeared in the Herald on this and you know, the
statement was that power crises end political careers and that

(52:47):
every politician in New Zealand should be worried about keeping
the lights on. And I think, you know, the difficulty
is when you look at the politics of this, it
feels to me like another potentially lowest common denominator outcome
because of the tension of the National Party being caught

(53:10):
between act on one side, who wants to privatize the
lot in electricity, and New Zealand First on the other side,
who want to nationalize the lot. So we've ended up
with a lot of sort of huffing and puffing for
several months, but nothing really to come out of it.

(53:32):
And certainly, you know, from what I can see, there
is no there's certainly no immediate relief to power prices.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
But carry on, carry on, I'm just going to say.

Speaker 27 (53:46):
But the other thing to remember is that in my
view in New Zealand, in the last sort of five
or six years, we have fallen into a simplistic trap
of shouting about structural separation as the as the fix
to everything. And in this case there is no evidence

(54:10):
that that that I can see that the government could
rely on if it went down such a sort of
nuclear option path. There is no evidence to say that
that in fact would bring power prices down.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
No, I agree with you, Jack, What do you make
of the whole thing?

Speaker 10 (54:27):
Well, my question is, can either of you name any
any person with skin in the game, or any group
that's happy about this? Just seems to me like the
universal feedback today has been that.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
The gentailors are Stokes and as our shareholders who are
happy that the shares went up.

Speaker 10 (54:49):
Fair point, fair point. But certainly the major major energy
use that are happy. Business groups aren't happy. The unions
aren't happy. I'm not happy looking at my power bill.
I mean it. It does seem like, at least from
the changes of announced today, that there are not going
to be really significant changes to the cost of electricity
anytime sometimes, anytime soon. It's pretty obvious. I think that

(55:13):
we need to find some sort of way to massively
incentivize generation in a way that it hasn't been generated
for a long time. Successive government. I woudag you've been
responsible for that. I don't think this is going to
majorly shift the dial. And I think they're running a
bit of a delicate political game here, because if you
look at this, you look at the you know, the

(55:34):
changes announced by supermarket. Will it's ask the supermarket study
that kind of thing. If the economy is still in
a really tough place in eight or ten months time,
people are feeling the cost of living in a big
way going into another winter. They'll be looking at the
government and say, hang on, what did you do to
help me on two of the biggest things that affect
my cost of living energy prices and food prices. I
think there is you know, the potential for some political

(55:57):
vulnerability there. So it's interesting to see.

Speaker 27 (56:00):
Well, there's no doubt that one of the outcomes from
today's announcement is that it is really given or really
short up what I think will be a big election
plank for New Zealand First next year. You know, and
you've already heard Shane Jones coming out and sort of

(56:22):
talking words to that effect. But you know, imagine we're
in winter next year heading into the election. Things aren't
going well and we've got a dry winter, and we're
worried about keeping the lights on, let alone paying for
the power. You know, New Zealand First are going to
be all over this trish.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
We're going to have a dry winter next winter, aren't
we Well I'm not from No, No, but we are.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Why aren't my powers are?

Speaker 27 (56:54):
I can't I can't predict that, but.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
No, but I listen to it here here am I
thinking on this at the moment. We have had below
average snowfall, right, and so what happens is that it
melts over summer, but there's not that much to the
hydro dams aren't that full next year? So that means
we are going like next year might be really hairy
and to your point, trash and actually to Jack's point
as well, we're going to go into it. We're gonna

(57:16):
have a stink old winter again with all of these
mills closing down because the energy prices are high, and
we're going to turn around and go yeah. And so
when Simon announced that thing last October, it didn't do anything.
What are you guys actually doing? Isn't that what's going
to happen?

Speaker 28 (57:29):
Well?

Speaker 13 (57:30):
And isn't this?

Speaker 27 (57:31):
Isn't this the big problem that it's hard for New
Zealanders to get their head around because we are constantly
told we are living in a country with all of
these amazing benefits, including that we have all of this
renewable energy and yet we are having to deal with
the risk that we can't keep the lights on through

(57:54):
a winter. And so I think for most people that's
where this whole issue just doesn't stat totally.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Now, Jack, you are my resident climate lovey, So how
I got to test this with you? Or to just
sense check with you on this?

Speaker 10 (58:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:09):
You are?

Speaker 10 (58:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (58:10):
How much love?

Speaker 12 (58:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Giving me a shirt for Jack and this cheese Jack?
Or now you're now you're turning into hypocrite? Hey, no,
but listen, how would you how much would you flip
out if they took electricity out of the ETS to
make it cheap before us.

Speaker 10 (58:26):
I wouldn't be happy about it at all because I think, Yeah,
I mean, I think the ETS has are other problems.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
But then when your power bill came down by I
don't know, let's say your power bill comes down by
twenty percent, fifteen percent, will you be happy then?

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (58:41):
Oh well I'm sure I would be. I'm sure i'd
be happy with with the short term benefit, no doubt,
But I mean I'd be much happier in the spirit
of a cleaner emissions profile. We massively massively invested in
other renewable.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
But Jack, you're failing to understand the problem, the.

Speaker 10 (58:57):
Problem one line, Give me one line as a resident
climate lover, and then you know that the world at
the moment solar is now so cheap that the world
is putting on the equivalent and generation capacity of mus
Zealand's entire generation capacity every five and a bit days
and solar solar at.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Our problem is not the renewable stuff every five days.
Our problem is not renewable. Our problem is firming capacity,
which is colon gas. That's our problem.

Speaker 10 (59:23):
That's a problem.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
But problem that is our generation.

Speaker 10 (59:27):
No, that's that's for an energy security perspective, but from
but from a getting your powerable down perspective, you just
need to be generating farm.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
No, it is also your power No, it's also your
power bill. Problem is the absolutely is no, it is
it is your powerball problem. Anyway, we will take a
break fourteen away from.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
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Speaker 3 (59:50):
Right your back of the huddle, got Jack, Tame Trishurson Jack?
Do you use this? Is this okay? I have been
proven to be technologically inep today. Do you use your
phone to pay for things?

Speaker 10 (01:00:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
Do you not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
No, No, how long have you been doing this?

Speaker 10 (01:00:06):
What you don't use?

Speaker 12 (01:00:07):
Like?

Speaker 10 (01:00:07):
You don't like Apple past?

Speaker 12 (01:00:09):
No? Well?

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Like is that the thing when you put the credit
card on the phone and then you tap it on
the f poss machine?

Speaker 10 (01:00:14):
Do you use a physical critic card?

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
No, you tell me you do this as well.

Speaker 27 (01:00:20):
I'm surprised you're not Morse coding out the show hither.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Okay, are you for real?

Speaker 14 (01:00:29):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
I was shocked, Trish. I was reading today in the
British papers that fifty percent of the UK adults are
doing this and in my age bracket is like fifty
nine percent and I don't do it, and I'm shocked.

Speaker 27 (01:00:40):
Hey, you need to.

Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
Get that.

Speaker 10 (01:00:43):
Under you're so enthusiastic about oil and gas.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Yeah, because my credit card I get Okay, all right, guys,
I feel like it's going to be my task tonight. Jack.
Can you come over and help me with the police.

Speaker 10 (01:00:54):
Yeah, you could do this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:00:55):
I hate to break it to you, but you know
the government's got some big plans about digital driver's life
as well. You know it's going to a long You're
going to be able to live your life with nothing
more than that phone in your pocket.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Yeah, I watch on my wrist.

Speaker 27 (01:01:06):
Have you you know what here? They just go on
pop online tonight and sign up for one of the
senior net classes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
You're a hideous person. Have you got any of the
Nigel Latter books? Trish? Did you raise your son on
any of them?

Speaker 27 (01:01:22):
I have to admit this. I adopted a read nothing
approach through my entire parenting career, including when I was pregnant,
and I found that a very useful approach because you
couldn't ever think you were doing anything wrong. But having

(01:01:44):
watched some of Nigel's programs, what I really loved about him,
and I think this is this is tough to get right,
but he managed despire confidence and positivity to parents and
others in what they were doing without coming across as
being pious. And maybe that was one of my aversions

(01:02:07):
to reading books on these matters, because often they make
you feel like you're doing everything wrong. And I'm quite
a sort of a practical person who thinks I'm quite capable.
But I thought in the way he managed to communicate
this stuff, it was pretty pretty clever and amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah, I think that's a fair point.

Speaker 14 (01:02:25):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Did you ever you would have interviewed him, wouldn't you do?

Speaker 10 (01:02:28):
You know, I actually haven't, And I'm actually sad to
say I was she eduled to interview them. I was
actually she dalked to interview him tomorrow, and a couple
of weeks ago the interview got pushed back and yeah,
I was going to be talking to him about his
new books. So it was really really sad to see
the news today. I just think he I think I
always think it's remarkable when people are successful in one

(01:02:49):
field and then part way through their life, you know,
like kind of into middle age, they have this massive
shift and move into a completely barely related field. And
I just think, you know, it kind of spoke so
much about his communicative capacity that he was able to
bring his field of experty expertise to the masses, both

(01:03:11):
Varia's books and via TV, like he was a very
very skillful TV presenter and someone who hadn't had much
experience in it. And yeah, I just think it's kind
of rare that you come across, you know, talents like that,
where people can have expertise in one field and then
come into a kind of show pony business like television
and excel as well, and clearly he did, so, Yeah,

(01:03:31):
we have that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Yeah, thank you very much, guys, appreciate and thanks for
the advice on the cell phone Trisherson Jack Tayne Away from.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Hither on the solar power I was quoted thirty eight
thousand dollars to have the solar panels and the battery
fitted at our house. And that's just for two people.
And as long as India and China and Vietnam keep
pumping out toxins, what's the point. I would much rather
have cheaper energy than being smug Graham. Look, I think,
having thought about this a lot personally, and because I

(01:04:10):
can see that the whole climate thing is just that,
you know, the as Winston pointed out the other day,
sixty percent of the world's emissions are being produced by
four countries who are not doing their bit right. You
can see there's very little point actually in us being
involved with an ets and stuff like that. So when
you consider all things, I think, pull the electricity sector
out of the etes, give these businesses a fighting chance,

(01:04:30):
never mind about the climate, because we're not actually doing
that much damage. In any case, it's arguable as to
where the New Zealand's doing any damage given that the
carbon sink we found the other day in Fiordland. But anyway,
that's another debate. But the thing is I think that,
but not everybody thinks that right because most people are going,
oh the atf and we're doing so much God for
the climate. So I think this chat about the ETS

(01:04:50):
is we're probably a little ahead of the curve on it,
and it's probably years away before this becomes a realistic
thing that the government may actually be able to consider
pulling sectors out of the ETS. But still by we'll
see if it maybe gets there, because like you, I know,
we're not actually saving the climate in New Zealand, so
I would but rather that we just made cheaper electricity
and legit did save the businesses that we could save. Anyway,

(01:05:11):
we're going to talk to John Duffy and Alla McDonald
of Consumer New Zealand and the NA after six about
the energy plan just really quickly, really interesting development from
America in terms of you know, making babies and stuff.
American researchers have been able to create functional human eggs
from skin So what they did is they took one
person's skin and then out of the cells, they took

(01:05:32):
the DNA out right, and then they put in another
person's DNA, and then they turned it into a sex
cell ready for fertilization, so basically an egg. Then they
fertilized that egg with sperm and it started growing into
an embryo. And they kept this going for six days,
and then they halted the experiment because that's the point
of which it becomes morally a little bit bit murky.
That's the point at which an embryo would be transferred

(01:05:53):
into a womb if they were doing IVF. Now what
this means taking the skin, replacing the DNA, blah blah blah.
What this means is that they may be actually may
actually be able to create babies without a biological mother
because they don't need an egg now, right, So they
can take someone's skin and then they can put a
dad's DNA into it and then they can fertilize it

(01:06:14):
with another dad's sperms. That so homosexual male couples may
be able to have babies that are actually made from
the two males no mum involved. Also could provide an
unlimited supply of fresh eggs for women who struggle to conceive.
Isn't that fascinating? And isn't it also just going to
open a can of worms about that debate? Hey, anyway
back to the energy thing. Next Newstalk said Bill, you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Tread on the reeling not so hand this soulhtquad's up?

(01:07:04):
What's down? What with a major cause? And how will
it affect the economy?

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
The big business questions on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy,
Allen and Mass for insurance investments and Huie Safer You're
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Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
He'd be even in Coming up in the next hour
Milford Asset Management with the market reaction to the energy announcement,
a Wellington property owner on why he's ignoring the softer
earthquake standards, and Gavin Gray will do the UK for
us at seven past six. Well Today's energy announcement has
been labeled a damp squib, weak, not bold, tinkering, short sighted,

(01:07:42):
a missed opportunity. In short, it's really hard to find
anyone who really rates it. With their reaction. We have
John Duffy, the CEO of Consumer New Zealand, and Alan McDonald,
the head of advocacy for the Employers and Manufacturers Association. Highlights.

Speaker 25 (01:07:55):
Hi, Hi, John Alan. Do you like it, al No,
it's thoroughly underwhelming. Really hither the report. If it did anything,
there's a lot of talk around consensus and bipartisanship. It
probably united every part of the House in some part
of the report they didn't like, So it's pretty uderwhelming.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Do you think it's going to stop the closure of
the mills.

Speaker 14 (01:08:18):
No.

Speaker 25 (01:08:18):
I think it's too late for that, and there'll be
just there's nothing really in there short term that offers
any kind of assistance for those people already in that
spiral where they're looking at tough decisions to close or
downsize and all that sort of thing. If it's driven
by electricity pricing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
The LLERNG terminal doesn't solve the problem.

Speaker 25 (01:08:38):
Well, it's at least two years away. If it's done fast,
it's going to cost and the LNG that comes in
my understanding, is a bit about twice the price while
it is currently, So there's another price increase straight off
the bat, and it'll be too late for some of them.
There is a lot of market noise, a lot of
chatter about one of the big gas users pulling out

(01:08:58):
of the market in the next twelve days months or so,
and that might free up some more supply, So that
might help. But I think the one, I don't know
which one it is. There's a lot of speculation around that,
and I couldn't really say, but I think the one
thing if there's a positive out of it, and it
is a positive, that there's some kind of certainty in

(01:09:18):
a plan and a bit of direction, and that might
be enough to keep some of those businesses over some more. Well,
the thirtadin yar is we've got a plan. I mean,
they've been sitting on this thing for months and but
some pieces of it have been leaking around the edge,
which is probably quite deliberate so they can fly a
few tits and see what's going to work and what's not.
But you know, there's a lot of people have been

(01:09:40):
panning a bit of hope on this thing and then
we get up with something that's pretty underwhelming.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Yeah, John, what do you think?

Speaker 28 (01:09:47):
Well, I'd probably take issue with the idea that there's
a plan. I actually I feel like this is people
kind of cleambering around in the dark, trying to grasphold
or something to come up with s motions that might
be sellable to the public with an election year coming
up next year, but really don't move the country forward
at all. I mean, let's remember, you know, last year,

(01:10:10):
one in five consumers, you know, residential electricity customers had
trouble paying their bill. Nineteen percent of people misspaying their
bill on time. Fifty six percent of people are concerned
about the price of energy. This does nothing to address that.
It's Allan's absolutely right when he says it's underwhelming, and
it's it's quite perplexing given the tough talk from the

(01:10:32):
Minister of Energy just a matter of weeks ago talking
about fundamental reform to the sector, and you know what's
been delivered next to nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
John, I don't know how much time have you s
been thinking about this. You have you guys actually had
a look at it and thought what would actually work
to bring down prices for residential customers.

Speaker 28 (01:10:53):
In terms of the report, you know, it's only been
out since this morning, so it's it's you know, I'm
still working through it. Yeah, it's a big piece of
a big piece of analysis in my opinion. In its essence,
we need more supply and ideally that supply would be renewable,
but we appreciate the fact that we need firming generation

(01:11:15):
to get us to a point where we have enough
renewable generation. So we are going to have to rely
on fossil fuels for a time. But what we need
is a plan to get us to a point where
we have enough renewables to meet demand and ideally would
be building ahead of demand. So there's actually a little
bit of fat in the system so that you know,

(01:11:36):
we can innovate as an economy and rely on their
being reliable ultricity to support that innovation absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
What would you do, allan what's the thing that you
would do to fix it?

Speaker 25 (01:11:47):
Well, I think some of the things that are already
happening really start in the next maybe two to three
to five years, will make a difference. The idea that
prices will come down to me, that's just a red hearing.
They might statilize for while in real terms they might reduce,
but that's still going up. We've already talked about doubling
the price of the LNG when it comes in. But

(01:12:07):
if you look at things like the fast track legislation
and particularly as that applies and coupled with the ARIMA
stuff that's going to make put plugging into the network easier,
and the fast track plans for generation, that's got to
go faster. And I'd almost say let's have an exemption
for renewables and just get them done. And then you know,

(01:12:30):
there is a bit of gas expiration going on and
Graymouth controlling and bringing in a new supply, new field.
There's a lot of plans for solar and wind. Let's
get on with that. The deep boor gef thermal stuff
sounds really promising. Why haven't we started work on that?
Or if we have at Subterraneum, no one knows about it.
Why don't we look at another hydro not a major one,

(01:12:53):
but there's small hydro schemes that can go in around
the place. But that seems to have been ruled out
by the environmental lobby. I don't know, but if you
if you add those things together plus a little bit
of gas LNG import, plus the government saying that it
will support an equity raise. It's not putting an extra
money and it's not giving them cash. It'll support an
equity raise for some of those projects if they stack up,

(01:13:14):
and if the LNG terminal stacks up all of those
things heading in the same direction, and the planet Huntley
to bring in more coal. I mean, who's thought coal
would be the answer. But the plan there with the
three big gent tailors getting together and putting in that stockpile.
That helps. But the rank and engines are forty plus

(01:13:34):
years old and running out, and so the engineers that
know how to fix them, so you know, that's that's
something we've got to fix. Maybe a bit of diesel
comes in there as well, which we closed all the
diesel plants about fifteen or twenty years ago. Now we're
looking at doing them again. So that kind of stuff.
It's back to the future stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
We're just wild, doesn't it. Hey, guys, thank you appreciate
both of you input there. That's John John Duffy you've
consumed in New Zealand. Alan McDonald of.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
M A ever Doopers the al the market with.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Milford Asset Management, and just to tick spotify the founder
Daniel Leck has stood down as the chief well he's
stepping down rather as the chief executive. This is, of course,
was the growing backlash over his investments in the defense
Sector's been in the role twenty years two thousand and succession.
Therefore thereabouts will step down at the beginning of next year,
will instead take up the role of executive chairman and

(01:14:21):
is going to be replaced by two people. It looks
like internal promotions. They will both be in the role
of co chief executives. Fourteen past six.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my Heart Radio powered by newstalg zebbi Hea the
why don't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
We build another coal fired power plant? We've got heaps
of coal. Well, if you listen to the Minister at
the start of five o'clock, it sounds like we may
well be actually looking at the possibility of building another
coal fired power plants to replace Huntley, because it's going
to die in the next five to ten years. Seventeen
past six. Michael Luke, Milford Asset Management is with us
A Michael, Michael, are you there? Yep, hey good, I'm well,

(01:15:02):
thank you and pleased to be able to get you now.
Michael took me through this. How the market react to
the government's electricity review?

Speaker 24 (01:15:08):
Well, the share prices of our electricity companies rerected positively today.
Meridian rose the most, up nearly five percent, while Contact
Metre and Genesis were up about one or two percent.
Now that reflects a bit of a relief really in
my view, where there had been a bit of uncertainty
hanging over the sector for the past six months as

(01:15:29):
investors waited for the outcome of the Frontier Report and
the Government review. I think investors are broadly supportive of
initiatives aimed at increasing and speding up investment and energy. However,
there had been a bit of concern around the risk
and the impact of a major intervention like separation, which
had seen some caution from both international and domestic investors.

(01:15:53):
Meridian was the strongest, reflecting two things in my view. Firstly,
an energy import facility would reduce altiousity prices during dry years,
which did impact Meridian a lot last year. And then secondly,
as the largest altricity company, Meridian has traditionally had the
most overseas ownership, so it's likely impacted the most by

(01:16:15):
international investor concerns around the government government review, which have
now eased.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
What did you make of the government allowing the gentailers
to raise capital, Well.

Speaker 24 (01:16:25):
Well, I don't think the government had ever explicitly said
they couldn't raise capital there's definitely been a bit of
a perception in the market over the last decade as
the gentailers couldn't raise capital without a commitment from the government,
as they couldn't delete their fifty one percent stakes. Now
I'm not sure it's been a major constraint, but it
would have been our constraints because the gintailers have to

(01:16:49):
balance their development pipelines, their debt and their dividend policies,
and if you have uncertainty around the ability to raise equity,
that does mean you have to bear a bit more
conservative in those other settings. I think that was probably
particularly hard to manage when there was a risk of
the TI smelter closing a few years ago, which would
have impacted the sector. And I think Content Energy has
actually had a bit of an advantage here where Contact

(01:17:12):
is the only listed gent tailor without government ownership. They've
been able to be a bit more aggressive maybe in
their development activity, and that included raising four hundred mili
from investors back in twenty twenty one to build a
geofirm or power station. So investors have been happy to
support raisers to fund good venewable energy projects, and overall,

(01:17:32):
I think it does provide a bit of flexibility on
how these autisted companies fund their development pipelines going forward,
which is welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Yeah. Do you think investors now have more certainty?

Speaker 24 (01:17:43):
Well, I think investors now know what to expect from
the current coalition, but that would change if there was
a change in government. There are also still questions on
how the industry solves our gas shortage as well as
dry year risk, so investors will continue to watch the
gas market and the al and G terminal procurement process. Ultimately,

(01:18:03):
I think it's fair to say there is more sendency
for now, but investors could still be cautious next year
heading into the election.

Speaker 14 (01:18:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Fair Pohen, Hey Michael, thanks as always, Michael Luke, Milford
Asset Management six twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Together to see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
This is a shout out to the people of the
tiata Too Peninsula in West Auckland, and the people of
Pammuir and Tarmaki which is out East Auckland, and then
the people of Clindon Park Weymouth which is in South Auckland.
You live in any of these parts of Auckland, I
need you to help with something. Okay, you need to
band together. This is the thing you need to band
together and you need to say no to the council

(01:18:37):
when the council asks us you do that stupid trial
of having the rubbish collected only every fortnight. Because these
are the parts of the of Auckland that are going
to be impactory. They're going to what they want to
do is they want to do a six month trial
where everybody else gets their bin collected weekly as we
do now, but in these parts of Auckland they are
only going to come around every two weeks and collect

(01:18:58):
the bin. And they've got some in they're gonna give
you a little bit of cash. It sounds to me,
honestly not worth it. It sounds to me like I
couldn't quite quite figure it out. But it sounds to
me like maybe maybe you'll get about eighty dollars off
your rates. I mean, have a look at your rates,
have a look at your rates. Thousands and thousands of dollars.
Eighty dollars ain't gonna make a difference. It'll cause you
more than eighty dollars worth of stress to have to

(01:19:19):
for six months reduce your rubbish that you only have
only have enough rubbish fevery fortnight anyway, So what they're
doing is they want to do this thing and if
you say yes in these parts of Auckland, they will
do it from February next year. They're going to consultation
from October thirteen to October thirty one. So in about
two weeks when they come and ask you say no,

(01:19:43):
you'll be doing the rest of us a massive solid
six twenty two, croating.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
The numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
It's hither to the sea, Ellen with the business hour
and mass for insurance investments and Qui Saber, you're in
good hands news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
He'd Behether. I'm very worried about the fortnightly bin collection.
I find that at least a third of our binners nappies,
and it was more when we had two kids and nappies.
And I think it's unreasonable to expect people to reduce
their waste beyond a certain point. Quite Heather, the shore
is already on a fortnightly. It works. Don't be a luddye,
I think I'd prefer to be a luddite. Actually, Mike, actually,
do you know what I worked out? Have you thought

(01:20:18):
about how much nappies cost? Because the other I think
it's about I think it's about ten dollars a packet
if you're buying because of the three and a half
year old's still in the night nappies, you know what
I mean? And I think it's about ten dollars a packet.
Let's just say it is. I think it might be
more than that. But let's say that's ten dollars packet,
and I buy a packet a week, so that's fifty
it's like five hundred dollars a year, if not more,

(01:20:40):
to keep the sky from whetting his bed. That's a
lot of money. How do we afford nappies? Never mind?
Do you know we need to get Simon Wats when
he's finished not doing the energy at sector, come and
deal with a nappy sector because that's a lot of money. Anyway, listen,
personal problem. Sorry, you don't need to know about that.
There is a chap who, for his sins owns the
Amora Hotel in Wellington and the Reading Cinema complex and

(01:21:02):
is developing both of them, he says, and that both
of them are shut because of earthquake standards. He says
he is not going to go with the softer standards
that have been announced by the government. He's going to
keep it to the strictest standards. He'll talk us through
this mind boggling decision in about ten minutes time. At
six twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
It's a Spice World now there, it is a Spice
World girl all living in it. Spice Girls looks like
they may be about to make a comeback, and for
real this time. Because remember in twenty nineteen they did
the reunion and they had sporty, they had scary, they
had baby, they had ginger, but there was no Posh. Well,
Posh went to the Oasis gig and she took a
photo of you know, because this is where Nolan and

(01:21:41):
Liam are reuniting. She took a photo, put it on
Instagram Stories and then tagged all the other Spices with
just tempting dot dot dot. So is it possible that
they're going to do a reunion. Well, she's about to
launch her brand new Netflix stocko.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
I have never forgotten where I come from.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Performing was my dream the Spice Gool's Meet mixhat who
I Am? And then all of a sudden it stopped
dot dot dot. So anyway, they haven't performed together in
thirteen years, so it's about twenty twelve or thereabout when
they last performed together. So the feeling is it's possible
that maybe they will do it next year because next

(01:22:27):
year is the yes thirtieth anniversary of Wannabe. That is
how old you are anyway, stand by because that'd be
quite a bit of fun, and maybe they'll come to
New Zealand fingers crossed newses next.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen
and Mass for insurance Investments and Juey Saber.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
You're in good ads, use talks, you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Follow like Gavin gray is with us out of the
UK shortly here the Hamilton has had fortnightly pickups for
four plus years. Food been every week, landfall recycling bills
alternate bins alternate each week. Huge opposition in the beginning,
hardly a complaint. Now changing your habits it's not as
hard as your mind tells you it will be. I
was a very strong opposer to start with. It's not

(01:23:22):
really an issue. Twenty five away from seven now, the
owner of two of Wellington's most infamous earthquake prone buildings,
says the new strengthening rules which are announced this week
aren't going to make him change his reno plans. Eyal
Aharoni is developing Reading Cinema on Courtney Place and the
Amora Hotel, which have both been shut for years because
of earthquake damage, and he's with us now, Eyel, Hello, Hello, Hello,

(01:23:44):
Why have you decided to stick to the old rules.

Speaker 7 (01:23:49):
Well, we're not sticking to the old rules the new look.
First of all, I have to say that I only
know about the changes from the media and from a
bit of a brief, so some not that familiar. You know,
I'm not sure if I got it all right, But
they haven't. They changed the requirement of that you don't
need to strengthen effort from buildings if you don't want to.

(01:24:10):
But the markets, we believe the market and and and
us will require more resilient buildings, so we will. You know,
in fact, the Reading Cinema, we've already committed to some
tenants to go there, and they all assets bring the
building to to a better rating than than just over
the aspect from threshold. And also the insurance, you know,

(01:24:34):
we all needed to have insurance, and the insurance doesn't
want to see a building with low seismic rating. And
also we've we've been through a few esquets and we
know that the rating, the strengthenings actually improved the performance
of the building in an ethic and we spend we've
got to spend a lot of money on this building,
put a new feet at and you know we don't
want to spend all that money and have another small

(01:24:56):
aspect and we all have to do it all again.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Yeah, to say, so what do you what do you
think insurance is going to expect it's insurance going to
look at the new rules and simply accept them.

Speaker 7 (01:25:10):
Well, I don't think the rules. Look as I said,
I'm not an engineer, and I don't think the rules
has changed. You Still you still have a building which
is weak and a building which is strong. I mean,
insurance won't have a strong building to protect the insurance.
So whether the government doesn't force you to bring it
over thirty four percent or not, doesn't I don't believe

(01:25:31):
it were going to make any difference to the insurance.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Yeah, so the I mean, obviously for some smaller buildings
it will have an impact, right, because if you have
a building under under under three stories, you're you're not
really required to do anything. Do you think insurance is
going to be okay about that?

Speaker 7 (01:25:49):
Well, I think it depends on the top of the building. Again,
if it's non reinforced building, I believe the insurance will
still want.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
You to just work on it.

Speaker 7 (01:26:02):
Yeah, I don't believe the insurance. Look, it's a it's
a it's a government arbitrary decision whether you need to
fix the building or not. I don't think it makes
any difference to the insurance. They're still going to have
a look at their risks is what happened to the
building and how much is going to spend on it
if something happens.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
By the way, when are your buildings opening?

Speaker 7 (01:26:21):
Well, we you know, we hope for the reading to
open at the end of next year. That more is
going to take longer, but probably a year after.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Twenty six and twenty seven.

Speaker 14 (01:26:32):
Yes, that's me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
This is going to be significant, isn't it? Because those
are two buildings in a very crucial part of Wellington
that have really shut down that part of It's had
an effect, hasn't it on that part of town.

Speaker 7 (01:26:46):
I look, there's a lot of empty buildings, but these
two stand out. So people perceived them to be to
make a big difference. Maybe the reading does. I don't
know about them more. Yeah, yeah, very significant building both absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Elle, thank you so much for your time. Appreciated. E
LAHRONI who's a property owner in Wellington. Heather, I'm in insurance.
I'm a broker, and the new rules will have no
impact on insurance and trying to place insurance for buildings
that are constructed under a certain percentage, they are going
to fall over in strong quakes and insurance will judge
this accordingly. It's twenty one away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Together do for c Ellen trying to find the text.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
But somebody's oh yeah, Muz love this from Muzz. Muz,
muzs is Heather, use cloth nappies. They're free, They're better
for the environment. Muzz. You can shut up. Hey, so
who in the family do you think is the one
washing the cloth nappies. Don't need any advice from you, mate,
I don't pick you as the cloth nappy washer. I
know about you, Muz Muzz. Long time Texter loves to stir,

(01:27:47):
loves to stir. Hey, I got some stats out today
showing how much money you need to have if you
want to be in the top fifty percent of you know,
the wealthy in the country, or the top ten percent,
top five, top oneever, whatever. So how this is calculated?
So I'm going to run you through the numbers. You
can see where you are placed in this. How does
this calculated? It's your net worth, So it's basically what
you own minus what you owe. So for example, your

(01:28:10):
house value minus what your mortgage is at equals that's
your net worth in terms of your house. I'm figuring
that you can chuck all of your investments in here,
and that would include key we savor, right, So you
want to chuck in here, the value of your house
if you've got yourself a nice European car, beach house,
Kiwi savor, your SHARE's ease, yeah, whatever, Yeah, five thousand

(01:28:33):
properties you haven't declared because you're a parliamentarian, whatever, all
of it. Chuck it in here. Here we go. If
you have I'm going to do. You could do households
versus individuals, but I'm figuring individuals don't really count because
if you're still single, this idea it's complicated. We're just
going to go with the households. Okay, So to be
in the top fifty percent of the wealthiest people in

(01:28:54):
this country. Your household has to have at least five
hundred and twenty four thousand dollars to its name. If
you have two point four million in net worth, you
will find that you are in the top ten percent.
If you have at least three point seven million, well
done you, you will find you're in the top five

(01:29:14):
percent of the wealthy in this country. And if you
want to be in the top one percent of this
country's wealth, you will need to have to your name
at least eight point seven million dollars. So anyway, I
know that most of us are going to look at
that and go, yeah, maybe one day in the future,

(01:29:34):
not immediately. So there you go, think about where you
sit there. By the way, this has got the office
quite upset today. There are because this crops up from
time to time. There are a bunch of businesses in
the UK. It's a thing in the UK now where
a bunch of businesses are going shoeless and they've decided
that you don't have to have shoes in the office.
They're inspired in part by what's been going on with

(01:29:55):
Silicon Valley, because the Silicon Valley startups to all this
kind of crazy stuff where they have been bags and
sushi vending machines and it just all the weird stuff
goes on in this in the Silicon Valley startups, and
so the UK has and what it's about obviously is
improving focus and comfort and staff morale and all that
kind of you know, woky stuff, so that the guys
over in the UK thought maybe they need to do

(01:30:16):
the same thing, and it's the startups who are doing it.
There's a skincare startup called hallow Skin. They have introduced
to socks only policy in the office, which has been
running since last year. They do have rules about it.
You cannot have bare feet, you cannot have dirty socks
subjective obviously, you cannot have socks with any holes in them.
And the shoes must be worn in the kitchens and
the bathrooms and outside. But they reckon. Since they've been

(01:30:38):
doing this last year, there's been an increase in calmness
and with that has come better focus and more creativity.
So I raised this today because I have I have
lot and I hate I'm sorry to admit this to you,
but I have long been a bit sort of like
relaxed about shoes. It doesn't rent and it's it's not
a it's not a thing that has come about, and

(01:31:00):
it's like, you know, I have achieved to see a
level of seniority in my career and can maybe sort
of lay claim to a bit of diva behavior. It's
not on account of that. It started at the start.
If I cast my mind back to being twenty one
and a fresh journalist back in those days, I just
kept the shoes off and wander around. And more recently

(01:31:20):
was today I took the shoes off because my boots
are hurting my feet a little b I was like,
I can't be well, the can't be bothered with sore feet.
I don't know what's going on, So just took the
boots off. But also most recent quinite embarrassing moment was
when I was heavily pregnant and walked out and there
was just a room full of people in the green room,
including Tres Sherson and Josie Bagany, and I didn't have

(01:31:41):
any shoes on, and trust just yelled out, barefoot and pregnant,
and I was aware at that point that this was
not an okay thing to do. Anyway. It sparks, but
I don't also care because now I am something of
a diva, so now I can just legitimately not care
about it. Anyway. It has sparked a debate in the newsroom.
People get quite upset about this, So just want just
want to flag with you. It's a thing that's coming

(01:32:02):
at you. And if you feel like you are already
kind of overwhelmed by what is going on with the changes,
all of gen Z's need to be psychologically safe in
the workplace, the AI is coming at you. The bean
bags that bringing the dogs to work, watch out because
if it's caught on in the UK, where they are
particularly stuffy, it might catch on here too. Sixteen away

(01:32:24):
from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour
with Heather Dup, c Ellen and MAS for Insurance Investments
and Huiye Safer, You're in good hands News Dogs'd best.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Jimmy Kimmel has just appeared on Stephen Colbert's show. We're
going to bring you some of the audio of that.
Shortly thirteen away from seven, Gavin Gray UK Correspondents with
us Elogavin Hi, they have it right, So no civilian
drone flights in Denmark, No, not.

Speaker 29 (01:32:52):
For at least three days. And this is all part
of what's been going on with drone incursions from we
don't know whom that the fingers being pointed in Russia
over not just Denmark but other countries as well. And
so Denmark is one of several countries now reporting these
drone incidents as recently as Saturday. This time the most
serious drone in cursions over their airspace because they flew

(01:33:16):
over Danish military sites and they had to shut the
airspace because they couldn't shoot them down because they're in
densely populated areas. So today ten EU countries are sending
their defense ministers for a summit in order to create
what they're saying is a drone wall. So lots of
countries now looking at basically enhanced vigilance, they're saying across

(01:33:39):
the Baltic in the statement, and before this meeting, the
police in Denmark saying they're on significantly increased alert ahead
of the summit and they needed to take care of
Danes and our guests. Now, anyone court flying drone or
could face a fine or up to two years imprisonment,
and both Sweden and France how sending military equipment and

(01:34:03):
anti drone capabilities to Denmark and Baltic neighbors, including what
are said to be powerful radar systems, in order to
help them monitor the drones but also to prevent them
getting anywhere in the first instance. And it's not just
as I mentioned Denmark, it's also other countries Norways had
drone incursions. And when you add to the fact as

(01:34:24):
well that mag thirty five Russian five to jets have
flown over Estonia, twenty Russian drones entered into Polish airspace,
it gives you an idea of the frenzied nervousness of
many European leaders.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
Hey, how long did this political staffer in Germany get
in jail?

Speaker 29 (01:34:41):
For spine four years and nine months. It's an extraordinary
story because jianzou Is his name, had worked in Brussels,
the heart of the European Union machinery, as it were,
for an alternative for Deutschland. Far right German politician was
Maximilian Criw as a member of the European Parliament. Five

(01:35:04):
years and the court in Eastern Germany in dressed and
heard how Kral's former aid had gathered information and passed
on confidential documents to Chinese authorities. Interestingly, he was also
accused of spying on Chinese dissidents in Germany and opposition
figures too. The court in dressed and said it was
particularly serious case, although in his trial the accused said

(01:35:28):
he was not guilty, said he did not work for
Chinese intelligence agency and said I am innocent. So yeah,
an interesting case and one being mirrored I think by
other cases currently going through the courts in other EU countries.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Listen, are the cops into this idea of getting people
to knock on each other and you know, behind the wheel.

Speaker 29 (01:35:48):
Yeah, And what's more, they're not being needing to get
much encouragement. So now it's estimated one in three British
cars has a dash camp, in other words, a little
camera switched on permanently when you're driving that looks forward
and sometimes backwards. And they have proven to be incredibly
useful when saying, look, this accident was not my fault
and here is the proof.

Speaker 10 (01:36:10):
But not just that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Now the police are.

Speaker 29 (01:36:13):
Receiving clips from dashcam footage that people are sending them
to saying this person driving in front of me drove
like an idiot and he should be prosecuted and surprise,
surprise that police are taking these clips and prosecuting. There's
been an increase in the number of videos being sent
to the police of fifty five percent in the last
two years. So indeed, last couple of years, two hundred

(01:36:36):
and ten thousand clips have been sent. Almost one in
five ended with police sending the driver of the car
being filmed a fixed penalty, About one in three submissions
prompted official warnings, about one in eight requiring drivers to
attend retraining courses, and about one in twenty leading to

(01:36:57):
court prosecutions. The Internet is these people dash cam snitches,
because they're saying, you know, you're not police, you shouldn't
be filming, et cetera, et cetera, but because they can film,
and dangerous driving is dangerous driving, and so consequently the
police are yeah, encouraging this, and other drivers are too. Incidentally,
some insurance companies now are pretty much insisting that dashcom

(01:37:19):
footage's dashcam cameras are being fitted to cars just for
this very reason to say, look this, you know driver,
this client of ours was not to blame for the accident.
We're not paying this other driver and their insurance are
very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
Kevin, thanks very much, Devin Gray, UK correspondent. Right, we'll
catch up on Jimmy Kimmel next. Eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
Okay, five away from seven. So Jimmy Kimmel has just
been uncanceled. As we know, he has just appeared on
Stephen Colbeer's show, and obviously they talk about the moment
that he found out that his show was canceled.

Speaker 14 (01:37:58):
I'm in my office type in a way as I
usually do.

Speaker 30 (01:38:01):
I get a phone call. It's ABC. They say they
want to talk to me. This is unusual. They as
far as I knew, they didn't even know I was
doing a show previous to this. So I have a
lot of people. I have like five people who work
in my office with me. So the only private place
to go is the bathroom. So I go into the
bathroom and I'm on the phone with the ABC executives

(01:38:25):
and they say, listen, we want to take the temperature down.
We're concerned about what you're going to say tonight, and
we decided that the best.

Speaker 14 (01:38:34):
Route is to take the show off the Airthor and
his reaction.

Speaker 30 (01:38:38):
Was, I said, I don't think that's a good idea,
and they said, well, we think it's a good idea.
And then there was a vote and I lost the vote,
and so I had I put my pants back on.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
And then you revealed that his audience was actually already
in the studio when the call came in to shut
the show down.

Speaker 14 (01:38:59):
Meanwhile, there's the whole audience is they're in their seats.

Speaker 29 (01:39:02):
Oh wait, I didn't know that your audience was already loaded.

Speaker 14 (01:39:04):
They are loaded and in their seats, ready for the show.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
So there you go. Stories out, Kenzie, What have you
got for us?

Speaker 6 (01:39:12):
Really exciting news for you. Heather Selena Gomez, She's shared
photos of her wedding to Betty Blanco. This is the
music producer. This is on Instagram and they're quite pretty.
She wore not one, but multiple Ralph Lauren gowns and
it looked like quite a lovely day. A lot of
Cillib's there, Taylor Swift was there. It's Shearon Paris Hilton,
who quite a nice invited.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
I think now when you when you said really exciting,
what part of this is exciting to me? Kenzy? Come
isn't the fact that it's what's his name? What's his name?

Speaker 13 (01:39:45):
Benny Blanco?

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
No, No, not the one in the audience who sings
all the annoying songs. It'sharon. Is that is Sharon?

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Is there?

Speaker 12 (01:39:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Kensey's banned from the show because he sucks? Is it because?
Is it because I need to get another Am I
getting remarried? And I need to look at the dresses?
Listen to Kinsey's like, up goes in the music, Up
go through? No, Kensey. Look, I will say, while I
am completely unexcited by these two people, I didn't even
know that being he existed. By the way, her dresses
are quite pretty, aren't they be gorgeous?

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Look at you?

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
You're a nice person. What are you doing on this show?
I don't know to be neither do we. We're like
look at the rest of us, and then you actually nice,
nice and unjaded and untainted by all the horrors of
the world. Thank you, Kenzy. Also thank you Kensey for
being here and filling in for us for a couple
of days with all you what only for you whatever?

(01:40:38):
Stop being nice? Stop you should be sassy at this point.
Good luck Anyway, Kensey's been filling and she's lovely. She's
back on early editions to Morrow.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
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