Full Show Podcast: 01 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Dupericy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else News doorgs Evy.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, the
Minister on finally giving the foreign investors permission to buy houses,
and Energy boss on what she reckons the government's being
told to do with the energy sector, the power sector,
the experts on why we should make a second language
compulsory at school. And the former boss of Mercury on
why we should treat cold the same as gas under
the ets basically make your power cheaper.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Heather Duper c Allen, We've got to talk.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
About Cornwall Park. So over the weekend it was quite
windy in Auckland. If you're in Auckland, you know what
I mean. There was some crazy ass wind that was
going on out there. I definitely found the drafts of
my house. If you're out of Auckland. It was kind
of like a Dame Wellington, but in Auckland, so it's
unusual for us.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I don't know where we got to in the end,
but the forecast was for gusts of up to one
hundred and twenty k's per hour. So the people who
run Cornwill Park closed it on Sunday because of flying wood.
They were worried that staff and punters might be struck
by flying wood. So they shut the gates and they
closed the toilets, and they closed the cafe, and they

(01:13):
closed the creamery, and they closed everything. Closed the Big
Strew closed everything because the flying wood. Meanwhile, on Sunday,
when Cornwall Park was closed, I went to another park,
which was Victoria Park in the Central City, which is
also actually incidentally full of really old trees and therefore
bits of wood, lots of branches and twigs and stuff
lying around. And despite the fact that there were three
of us at the park and it was quiet, windy,

(01:35):
none of us was struck by flying wood. Remarkably, we
also walked to the park down at a road which
is lined with old plane trees that have been there
for at least one hundred years. So if you're going
to be struck by a flying tree, you know, like
one of them falling down on your head would be
one of those. None of them fell on our heads,
nor did any of their branches or any of their
flying wood. Now, obviously it's their park, so the Cornwall

(01:56):
Park truss board can shut the park if they like,
And probably what they will say is that they didn't
want to put their start at risk. And there'll be
a lot of people in this country who will nod
their heads and say, look, that is the wiset thing
to do. After all, it is windy, and there could
be wood flying all around, and it might have to
staff member right in the eye and blind them forever.
You never know better to take care. I look at
this and think that's ridiculous that we are so worried

(02:19):
and anxious and frankly neurotic that even wind is freaking
us out. Now, I would urge the people who run
Cornwill Park to get a grip. Farmers, they may be
shocked to discover, often work outside in the wind and
there are lots of bits of wood flying around the
Department of Conservation probably want to reconsider this, but at
the moment they still allow us to walk around in
the bush in a high wind. There are definitely lots

(02:39):
of bits of wood of wood lying around in the bush,
if you know what I mean. I mean some people
also have old trees in their backyards and they're still
there when it's windy shockingly and the trees don't always
fall down in the wind. This, I think is the
perfect example of how we are getting to be ridiculous
over safety. Yes, of course you should extreme, you should
reduce your extreme risks, don't take unnecessary risks. But you

(03:02):
don't want to be reducing every single risk, otherwise you're
just going to be sitting in your house all day.
I don't think flying wood in a park on a
windy day in Auckland is so extremely risky that staff
must be sent home and members of the public must
be banned from entry.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
To ever due for see ellen.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Don't you is the text number standard text speece applied.
Go on tell me how wrong I am. I'm happy
to hear it now. The government stepped in to help
small airlines. Shane Jones has given three thirty million dollars
in government loans or at least they're on the table
to help keep the regional routes running. Cabinet's also back
the integration of booking systems so that regional carriers show
up when you're booking through big carriers like Auckland. Sorry

(03:43):
like a New Zealand has made Duayanne EMONI is the
CEO of Air Chathams and with us. Now, Hi, Dwayne,
how good is that booking thing though?

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, really good, really good.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
I think that's a key piece and we're actually a
little way down the track on that one already with
Any Zealands. So we're looking to hopefully roll out a
domestic trial later this year. But it's expensive, I can
tell you having gone through it, so any support that
we can get for that's greatly appreciated, because.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Do you have to pay for it, like I mean
if you But I'm shocked that we don't do this already.
You book anywhere else in the world, you get this,
you know, you can go from Auckland to wherever you
need to go in the country all in one ticket.
Why doesn't it Why don't we do it?

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Yeah, it's a good question.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
There are ways of doing it, I guess through the
likes of global distribution systems, But again the airline has
to be proactive and make that investment themselves to be
linked into those systems, and some of the really smaller
carriers you just can't justify it because these costs are
quite significant just to be a part of the system.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
So I think the fact that government's picked U up
and said.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Well, you know, how do we make these regional routes
more viable. Well, the best way to do that is
to effectively partner them with a much bigger airline that
everyone knows about, and then it just becomes part of
their network and then you have the inter deals between
the airlines in terms of how the fares get broken
down and who gets what. But the key is the

(05:12):
customer gets to go from point A through point B
to point C seamlessly and have that full ticket protection
the whole way through.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
So yeah, it's definitely a good thing.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, totally. Now what about this thirty million dollars in loans?
Is this helpful? Is this what you guys are struggling
with is getting money?

Speaker 4 (05:31):
I think we need to make sure that it's helpful.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
So, you know, this is something that's been lobbied on
quite a bit in the last couple of years, and
you know, I think the announcements are really positive.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
One.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
It's spent the last number of months complaining about how
tough everything is and how we're not getting any help.
So today we're getting some help. So I think we
need to as small carriers make the.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Most of that.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
It's not going to do everything, but it's definitely better
than nothing.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Brilliant. Hey listen, thank you so much mate, look after
yourself and best of luck with the business that is.
Dwayne em Andy, the CEO of Air Chathams Heather. No
one appears to have got hurt from windborne flying wood,
so the shutdown must have worked. Date one hundred percent, no, George,
one hundred percent no, because we shut down the park,
thank god, because I don't know there was a loss
of wood, just looking for an eye to land on,

(06:17):
do you know what I mean? But also what's remarkable
is that as far as I can tell, I mean,
I'm prepared to be wrong here, but it doesn't appear
that anybody got struck by any flying wood in Auckland,
at least not to the extent that they've been blinded
forever and have had to have I don't know, the
local road shutdown.

Speaker 6 (06:34):
In the net.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Do you know what I mean? Like, hmm, how remarkable
that across the whole city no one was blinded by
flying wood, never mind Cornwall Park. I've got some good
news for you, because I feel like there are quite
a few young people out by the way you go on.
Then the huddle's going to talk about this flying wood business.
Of course later in the program. I feel like there
are a lot of people who are still kind of
coming down from the excitement of the news that their

(06:55):
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(07:16):
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(07:39):
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Speaker 1 (08:04):
It's the Heather dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 2 (08:12):
Heather, come on, eighty thousand lives got saved from Flying Wood. Yeah,
I actually read that was a shorn Hindi report, wasn't it?
For eighteen Sport with.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
The tab app download and get your bed on ORI
eighteen bed responsibly.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Jason Pine sports talkhosters with me, Hello Piney, Hello Heather.
I can run me through the injury list for the
All Blacks.

Speaker 7 (08:31):
Okay Toamathi Tava, tavannahway out for twelve weeks, cam Royguard,
Patrick Twop, a lot to know Hotham three to four weeks,
cayleb Park and Luke Jacobson still going to play another
game of MPC before they're considered. And Cortez Ratama in
a race against time after a whack to the ribs.
So quite a few halfbacks in there, Heather, you would
have picked up Royguard, Hotham or Atma. So we may

(08:52):
be in a situation on Saturday night, biggest home test
probably since the Rugby World Cup Final in twenty eleven,
where we've got a debutant halfback on the bench Carle
Preston a lot good player, but massive pressure on him.
On the plus side, Leicester fight England. Nook who was
back in the All Blacks. The New Zealand Rugby Board
have ticked off his eligibility, so he comes in, he

(09:12):
might come straight back and the team that raised the
names on Thursday going to be very interesting. Indeed, yes, Raiser.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Must be feeling a little bit nervous about this.

Speaker 7 (09:21):
What do you think I think you should be? Yeah,
I mean I think you should be. It's prob's certainly
the biggest test of his tenure and like I say,
the biggest test the All Blacks have played, certainly in
New Zealand for a very very long time.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
His test of his tenure well, I.

Speaker 7 (09:37):
Mean last year he was kind of well he was new,
wasn't he and he went to South Africa and lost
both test matches over there. They were big tests, but
you look at that Eden Park record. You do not
want to be the All Blacks coach who is running
the cutter when a test record that stretches back to
nineteen ninety four falls. You don't want to be the

(09:57):
coach who oversaw the first loss of Eden Park since
the mid nineties. And I think also off the back
of a loss in Argentina the very first time that's happened.
You don't want back to back unwanted history on your
CV as All Blacks coach.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Heather, Yeah, and I mean what you're not saying, but
what I think you kind of hinted at is that
the grace period is over like it was. Okay, perhaps
at a push to lose two tests the spring Box
in your first year, but not your second year. A
you can't start losing.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
I wouldn't have thought so. And look, the stats only
tell half the story. But it took Ian Foster a
lot longer than this to lose his first five test
matches as All Blacks coach. That can be looked at
in a number of ways, of course, but look, I
think you'd want to win on Saturday night. I put
it that way.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, totally. Now, is there any chance at all that
the worry is to make the top four.

Speaker 7 (10:46):
Yes they can. Here's what needs to happen, No, there is.
Here's what needs to happen. They need to beat Manly
first of all, that's non negotiable. Then they need the
Storm to beat the Broncos and the Bulldogs to beat
the Sharks.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (10:56):
If those three things happen this coming weekend, the Warriors
will finish fourth. However, the Storm and the Bulldogs know
that they can't improve their table position at all. They're
going to finish second and third, so they may well
rest some players against the Broncos and the Sharks, respectively,
which would make victory over those teams a lot harder.
The Warrior is still had to be manly as well,
and I'm I'm not sure that's a foregone conclusion. The

(11:19):
way they've been playing recently, I think most likely, Heather,
they'll finish sixth, and that'll mean the Penrith Panthers more
than likely the four time defending champions coming to go
media for a knockout game in a couple of weeks time.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Piney, that last try that the Warriors scored and then
were denied was that fair? I was really sad. About that.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
No, No, you cannot tell me he's knock that on
and they see any knock on. No, And you can't
unequivocally say in the time frame that the bunker took
to make that decision, they could unequivocally say Dimitric Viamonga
said afterwards, yes, it brushed my fingers, but that's not
the point. Did it go backwards or forwards? And did
they have enough time from the camera angles they had

(11:59):
to say absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that's
gone forward.

Speaker 8 (12:02):
I don't think they did.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, thank you, Pinney, I appreciate that. That's Jason Pine
and sports Torkcosis. What thought. I thought that I went
to bed with a heavy heart that night. Good grief
here that did you hear the rugby injuries? We need
to stop rugby immediately. I know if you put the cornwall,
pike board, trust board in charge of rugby, we wouldn't
have any of this because there would be no rugby. Now.
I don't know if you realized this, but over the weekend,
the Internet was convinced that Donald Trump was dead. So

(12:24):
what happened was he hadn't been seen in public for
a couple of days, and then JD. Varnce said in
it He's got a remarkable ability JD. Vance to say
the wrong thing in interviews, but he did it again.
He said he was ready to assume the presidency if
a terrible tragedy occurred. And then the pizza index spike.
Do you know about the pizza index? This is when
all the people at the Pentagon start ordering too much

(12:44):
pizza because you know something's going down. And they did
this when they were about to bomb run as everybody
was like he's dead. And also also the US flag
was flown at half mast at the White House earlier
in the week, which they assumed was like, I don't know,
maybe a test a test run for for Trump's death.
It was actually because of the shooting of Minneapolis. That's
why they did it. Anyway, Then thousands of posts started

(13:05):
getting shared across Twitter and it had the hashtag where
is Trump? And Trump died? And then nine am Saturday
in the US, where is Trump was the sixth most
popular topic that was trending. Like that is how much
people were convinced that the Orange Man had died. So
what he then did was he went to play golf
with the Trump National Golf club in Sterling, Virginia and
got photographed. So he's alive for twenty three.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand coverage.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
They'd be yea, why did we not rest everybody this
last week for the big game? This is a huge game.
This is the South Africa game. By by the way,
this is a huge game. Now we have injuries everywhere
from this weekend. The South Africans are laughing at us.
They're going to make mince meat of the All Blacks
on Saturday night. I mean, I can't help but shake
that feeling. Eh this I think Piey's right. This is
one of those ones where where you do look at

(14:00):
and you go ooh, raiser, good luck mate. Somebody text
through and said that the Box haven't beaten us at
Eden Park since nineteen thirty seven. Imagine if you're the
coach that breaks that record. Oh man, there's no beers
in the sheds after that game? Is there? For twenty six?
Now listen, there are calls for us to make a
second language compulsory in school. And this is on account

(14:23):
of the fact that there's a report that's just come
out which shows that we have student enrollments for languages,
for second languages is lower than at any time since
the nineteen thirties. So what they're proposing is that we
have a second language and that we teach to the
kids between seven years seven and ten. Now I've got
a bunch of questions about this. If you're going to
learn a second language, waiting and what is the year seven?

(14:44):
It's like eleven years old?

Speaker 8 (14:45):
Right?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
By eleven years old, I mean, your brain's still got
the plasticity, right, it can still learn better than like
you or I. We're old now, our brains are cruddy.
But at that young age you can still learn. But
you can't you can't learn a language like you would
if you were sub five. That's where you want to
be teaching kids a second language. So I feel like
we're missing the window there. But the really important thing

(15:06):
I really want to know is are we going to
teach kids any language? Can they go? I want to
learn French, I want to learn Japanese, I want to
learn Mandarin, I want to learn Mari or do you
pick one and you make everybody learn the language so
that they can talk to each other and not lose it.
We're going to have a chat to Juliet Kennedy, who's
from the New Zealand Association of Language Teachers after five thirty.
But next we're heading off to Australia. News is coming up.

Speaker 8 (15:27):
We got a fastest car.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
It's a fast enough so we get flying away steal
and to make your decision, leavenweleven died this way.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Hard questions, strong opinion.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Hey, the duplic Ellen drive with one New Zealand tans
of power of satellite mobile news doorg said be I
told Judith, so can you come back.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
If youson standing by with us out of Australia and
Barry Soap will be with us in ten minutes. I'm
on politics. Obviously, big news today is that the foreign buyer, well,
the foreign and how can I say this in a
way that won't offend Winston Peters. Foreign investors are allowed
to buy houses in New Zealand now, and this is
houses valued over five million dollars. So they can buy

(16:15):
a house valued over five million dollars if they put
into the country in some other way, some other investment
five million dollars or more so basically they need to
have at least ten mil to their name before they
can come here and buy a house. Winston. It was
announced today by Chris Luxen, the Prime Minister, Erica Stanford,
the Minister of Immigration or all the investment minister whatever,
she's the one doing all the investment. And then David

(16:37):
seem More, presumably in his capacity as the act Paddy leader,
nowhere to be seen New Zealand. First Winston, only because
Winston is the one who's been holding this whole process up.
Remember he's put out a statement on Twitter. He says,
this is the defensive opening line from him, The foreign
buyers ban on housing remains, and then he goes on
to spend in an unfortunately too much time explaining the

(16:59):
difference between a five foreign bayer and a foreign investor
blah blah blah whatever. But then he says, this is
a common sense move that provides a balance between protecting
New Zealand's housing market supply and affordability and ensuring that
we allow people who are wanting to invest millions of
dollars into our economy to rightly be able to own
a home and live in it when they are here.
Here here, If only we hadn't wasted two years finally

(17:22):
agreeing on something common sense. Anyway, Erica Stanford is going
to be with us after five o'clock. It's twenty three
away from five.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
A car has crashed into Russia's consulate in Sydney. The
driver has been taken into police custody. This man lives
nearby and saw it all happen.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
The car was within the compound.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
There was a policeman drawing his gun asking for the
driver to exit the car.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Olli Peterson on that shortly. Chinese President Jijiping is hosting
twenty world leaders for a summit this week. The guy
running India and the guy running Russia are both there.
A China expert says the relationship between Beijing and Moscow
is clearly stronger than ever.

Speaker 9 (18:00):
I would certainly say that China and Russia's relationship is
far more than a passing dailians and looking more like
a long term strategic relationship.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
That's been for me.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
And finally, former Californian Governor Arnold Swartzenegger has called on
the environmentalist movement to stop winging. He's a keen environmentalist himself.
He says, even with Trump in the White House, there's
plenty that can be done at state and local levels.

Speaker 10 (18:23):
As if we all have a responsibility, What do you
think the action comes only for the whole world out
of Washington, the White House. No, So this is what
you have to do. Instead of whining and instead of
complaining and instead of finding excuses, you've got to.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Work international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Olie Peterson six PR Perth Live presenters with us. Hello,
Wally are you there?

Speaker 7 (18:52):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (18:53):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yes? Hallowally? Okay, what do we know about this car crash?

Speaker 11 (18:57):
Well, what we know is there was a car outside
the Russian embassy there in Sydney's eastern suburbs this morning
and it raised suspicions of the police, the AFP, who
came up to ask the driver what he was doing.
And the next thing, he ran that car through the
front gates of the Russian embassy. Now he's a thirty
nine year old man. We don't know any more about

(19:19):
this particular individual or what his nationality may or may
not be. We know he has been taken into police
custody and the AFP say investigations are on going. But
as you've heard there in the world wise, it caused
quite a commotion in the Eastern suburbs about eight o'clock
Sidney time this morning. The police officers had to draw
their guns and were heard shouting get out of the vehicle,

(19:40):
get out of the vehicle. Before this thirty nine year
old man has been taken into custody. So we wait
to find out more information what the motivation was and
what the target may have been.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Okay, what's the latest with Dezzi Freeman.

Speaker 11 (19:52):
He's still on the run. This is the seventh day
that police are obviously searching for him. Now the weather
has improved, with been hearing that it's been quite inclement
over the last few days. Have been blizzards, have been
dune snow on the Mount Buffalo, which has made those
efforts to try and find him a rather challenging. But
police have now deployed four hundred and fifty people in

(20:15):
that search. So look, I have no other information. It's
just a hunch, Heather. He obviously knows the area particularly
well and he's gone off greed. Whether he's got some
sort of bunker or he's got some way of obviously
hiding there in the countryside. This is obviously very concerning
still for locals, very concerning for the police force, and

(20:35):
hopefully he is found as soon as possible. But the
seventh day, the hunt continues. Massive amount of police resources
being thrown at this operation.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
The four hundred and fifty are they all coppers coppers?

Speaker 11 (20:45):
There's some sees involved in this as well, but there
are four hundred and fifty police officers who have been deployed.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
To find him, probably all with weapons.

Speaker 11 (20:52):
A I'm sure they can't wait to find him.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
That sounds of it.

Speaker 11 (20:57):
He did a bit dominant, didn't it. But I mean
you've imagine now angry you'd be right now if you're
a police officer searching for this bloke.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Oh geez, No, that's not what I was saying, Olie,
Like I wasn't saying they're going in with weapons to
seek vengeance. I mean, he's armed, so they will be armed.
But I see where your brain went with that.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Well, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 11 (21:14):
But yeah, that's right. I mean, I mean, that's it is.
He set up another ambush, though you know, you don't
know what this person's capable.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Of well, exactly right, I mean, yeah, I mean, jeez,
I'll tell you what. It's not exactly like a situation
we have here, but similar enough for you to think, jeez,
you don't want to be having a firefighters now, what's
going on with his anti immigration protesters.

Speaker 11 (21:33):
So look, we had sort of ten thousand people roughly speaking,
across most of the capital cities. So that's ten thousand.
So the anti immigration rallies the government's calling it. You know,
it has been hijacked as well by some of these
neo Nazi organizations because we've had you know, a lot
of extremism on both sides of the political spectrum, if
you like. But this turned into in some city some

(21:56):
pretty ugly scenes. I'm not saying it's enough to get
married away with, though, Like I mean, you think about
the populations of Australia's major cities. If you're getting eight
thousand people turning up to a rally in Sydney, that's
dittly squat. That's not that many people. Fifteen thousand people
in Adelaide short, it's probably a bit more per capita.
But let's not get carried away with the fact that, yes,

(22:16):
these rallies were held over the weekend. They were not good.
You know, there's no tolerance for racism in Australia that
there's also going to be tolerance for tolerance's sake, you know.
I just think that there's some nutterers out there. There's
some people that decided that all get together in the
city and we saw a bit of argie bargie here
in Perth as well. But you know, unfortunately it's happening,
and these things are happening in cities around the world

(22:37):
at the moment. But I think the numbers of people
that turned up for what our population is tiny, miniscule,
and they can go back into their holes and hide
and get on their keyboards and they can start abusing
people behind those little faceless images that they have on
Facebook and Instagram and all those social media platforms.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Olie, always good to talk to you, Thank you mate.
That's only Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter Hebard. So
if you were listening on Friday, you would have caught
the news that Neil quigglely resigned as the Reserve Bank
chairs basically because we chatted to Nikola Willis pretty much
as soon as it was made public, and she told
us she'd basically told him to quit. She had added
chat to him three o'clock, might have even added a

(23:15):
chat to him again after that four fifty five. He
tended his resignation anyway. Janet Tipstraney, who's been doing a
lot of really good work on this, has written a
great piece on it for The Herald. It's up on
The Herald's website right now, basically arguing why Nikola Willis
isn't altogether free of criticism here either. She said, Nikola
Willis went so far as to say that she would
have asked Quigglely to resign had he not done so himself.

(23:38):
If Willis felt so strongly about the matter, why didn't
she ask Quigley to resign sooner? Because Nichola Willis knew
that Or had stepped down, and she also knew that
the board presented all with a letter of concerns. She
had virtually the same information on Friday as she had
had six months ago. The only thing that changed was
that the public found out that they had been sled.

(24:00):
Now she makes the argument like excellent points there. She
makes the argument that Nikola Willis only cut Neil Quiggly
free on Friday because it was starting to hurt her,
and I agree with that. Actually, nothing that was revealed
last week about the Reserve Bank, nothing that basically caused
Nikola Willis to have to cut Neil Quigly free, was
new to her. She knew the whole time, She knew

(24:21):
all six months that they were misleading us, and she
let them. So I would love to actually be able
to ask her about that this evening. But incidentally, she's
not with us. She's flying to Australia for a meeting.
We've got Chris Bishop, but we'll take him. He's with
us after six sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
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Speaker 2 (24:40):
Right, veryso for senior political correspondents with us now, Hello Barres,
good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Right.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Rich investors are going to be allowed to buy houses finally.

Speaker 8 (24:47):
Well they are. The law won't be passed until the
end of the year, so they're still a little way off. Nevertheless,
there has been a commitment that that will happen. You've
got to have either five million bucks by a million
dollar house or ten million dollars for a different category
of visa that you can have a mixed investment over
a number of areas. Interestingly, I had a bit of

(25:11):
a chuck on myself as well about Winston Peters posting
on X sounds like Donald Trump, which is where we
get all the information about what he's thinking. But Winston Peters,
he said, the foreign buyers ban remains well, it does
to an extent. He said that the governments ensured tight

(25:34):
restrictions around the policy, excluding the sale of rural farm
and sensitive land. But it does mean that if you
are an investor, and to me it makes absolute sense.
You come to the country and if you're planning to
live here and you're putting money into the country, of
course you want to buy a house here. The Immigration
MI is Erica Stanford, who was standing beside Chris Luxon

(25:55):
when the announcement was made. She said the investor v
Jess they had hoped that they would get two hundred
in the first year. Well, in the first five months
of the year they got three hundred, which is pretty remarkable.
It shows that New Zealand is seen as a pretty
good destination. And I've got to say she wackx lyrical
about what they bring to this country.

Speaker 12 (26:16):
If you allow people to buy a home they spend
more time here and you can speak to the people
in the room who are evidence of that. And when
they are here more they invest in their local communities.
And I'll tell you the other thing about them, they
are an amazing philanthropist in their local communities. So when
you are thinking about economic growth and tagging that into
our local communities, these are amazing people with great connections

(26:37):
and they get a huge passion for New Zealand and
their value is exponential.

Speaker 8 (26:42):
So there were people in the room that clearly fall
into the category that she was talking about, So hopefully
we'll hear some stories out of them following this today.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Okay, so what's your take on Neil Quigley's resignation.

Speaker 8 (26:54):
Well, look, I feel for Neil Quigley. You know, I've
met the man on a number of occasions, a very
all sort of a fellow. And don't forget he's the
one that's behind the medical school at Waikata University, where
is the vice chancellor. But the fact is when Adrian Or,
when they got into the stash, Adrian Or was clearly
a very difficult man to deal with, and when they

(27:15):
came to an agreement that he would go, they in fact,
were sworn.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
To secrecy disclosure agreement.

Speaker 8 (27:25):
They had both had non disclosure agreements and the fact
of the matter is that neither the Finance Minister nor
Treasury were bound by those agreements, so they could say
a lot more. All Quigley said was that he basically
made a personal decision to go, and in the end,
if you ought to be pedantic about it, you could

(27:45):
say that Adrian Or, even though he threw a tanti
threw his cots toys out of the cot, it was
a personal decision, like any resignation is, so you know,
you can argue that. But then Labour's been criticized the
whole issue, and don't forget it was Labor that reappointed
Adrian Or to the job against a political a lot

(28:08):
of political opposition to it from the government that came
in a year later and from others as well, but
nevertheless he was reappointed to the job. The Prime Minister
said this morning that a new governor will be appointed
within weeks. This afternoon he said he's not worried about
the bank stability, despite what Labour's been saying.

Speaker 9 (28:28):
They don't take any lectures from the Labor Party on economics.
I don't think they really have great literacy in the space,
having been the people that actually put us in this
very difficult situation that all Hisslanders are experiencing. So you know,
what I'd say to you is, we've got a very
stronger experienced management team.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
We've got a very stronger experience bought and.

Speaker 9 (28:45):
They are quite capable of fully discharging their obligations as
a reserve bank.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
And so I've got every confidence on them.

Speaker 9 (28:50):
You know, having come from an outside world, it's not
uncommon that you change chair and see are at the same time.

Speaker 8 (28:55):
I think it's quite uncommon. But nevertheless, so.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
I just want to clarify. So are you arguing that
Neil Quigley is hard done by?

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Here?

Speaker 8 (29:02):
I am, actually, you know, I think he is quite
hard done by.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (29:05):
I can see you're smirking there.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Well, I am smirking so hard at you right now.

Speaker 8 (29:09):
Yeah, okay, Well, look, I think he was hard done
by because if you if you signed to sign up
to a confidentiality agreement, you don't then go and spill
the beans outside of that because by law you can't
do it anyway. And I thought he was caught between
a rock and a horde.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Can I give you an alternative view on of course?

Speaker 10 (29:28):
Right?

Speaker 2 (29:29):
So, first of all, if you just because you sign
an NDA doesn't mean that you need to go tell
Fibbs in public. Right, So he said personal decisions or
use sophistry, which is which is the use of language
intended to mislead people to believe one thing when it's
actually another thing, which is what he did. So you
don't have to tell fibbs because you signed an NDA.

(29:49):
You can simply say I cannot talk about this for
legal reasons.

Speaker 8 (29:52):
Well is he could have clarified that.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Okay, So the first problem is telling phibbies. The second
problem then is that clearly the NDA did not preclude
them from telling us what actually happened, that Adrian Or
stepped down and that Adrian All was replaced by Christian
Hawksby and that he was out of the office for
five days and blah blah blah. They could do that
because the ombitsmen ordered them to do that, and they
did that. So why didn't So my interpretation of it
is that they were they used the NDA as cover

(30:16):
for just not telling us.

Speaker 8 (30:17):
The true Well you know who knows? I mean, you know,
I think if you sign up to a confidentiality agreement.
You've got to abide by it.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Okay, Barry, thank you? Why are you laughing at thank you?

Speaker 6 (30:30):
Yours one?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
No, you haven't won. I'm just I just I'm out
of time.

Speaker 11 (30:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
And also that's the end of that though. Haven't we
put that one to bed?

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Haven't we?

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Anyway? Barry So for Senior Political Correspondence, seven away from five, Putting.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Christopher Luxan is with us?

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Now I ask you one more time?

Speaker 4 (30:50):
God, this is foreign biased.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
It is foreign biased. Is today the day? And we
are very.

Speaker 9 (30:56):
Close Mike, when emminently before we meet next time within
a week, So this week they could well be. But
you're about to put me up against a wall and
just no, I'm just sick of asking the question. I
want to get just the reason I asked the question.
One more week of this?

Speaker 11 (31:11):
Well, it can't be one more week because he said
it's this week exactly, So it.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Is this week.

Speaker 9 (31:16):
I want this country up and running and pulling every
level we can.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
To make exactly easy to do business.

Speaker 13 (31:20):
How can it be back tomorrow at six am?

Speaker 2 (31:23):
The mic Hosking Breakfast with Rain Drover News Talk z B. Listen,
we're number three on the piece index New Zealand. We've
gone up. We've gone up a couple of spots, which
is very exciting news. So we're going to talk about
that at a quarter past five. Heather, surely you're going
to mention the Ordiny Kuiperer interview. Yes, Pam, I'm going
to mention the ord Any Kuiper interview. Yeah. I don't

(31:43):
think that she's stoked with how that interview on Q
and A went yesterday. This is the Marty Party candidate.
Jack was asking her whether the Marty Party has actually
changed people's lives, and she was like, yeah, we've repealed
a whole bunch of things.

Speaker 14 (31:54):
In my position where the Party Marty has I mean
they have repealed quite a few, you know, and actively repealed.
Was still in the process of repealing. I know, there's
not much. What do you mean trying to think, well,
there's ok I need my phone.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
It is the kats.

Speaker 15 (32:16):
Let me pack up on a point, okay, is in
the government's repealing things?

Speaker 14 (32:20):
No, no, no, I mean to part MA. Sorry, I
don't know my phone on me.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's horrible with kater Pie. Katie Pie, sorry,
you don't have your phone on you. It's hideous when
you don't have your phone on you when you're trying
to just like make stuff up.

Speaker 16 (32:32):
That.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, a Marti Party is not going to be repealing
anything at the moment because they're not in government. You
have to be in government made to repeal things. But anyway,
as Jack says Katie Pie. Eric Stanford with us next
on the investors being able to buy houses and the
rumors are the rumors are generations being split off the

(32:52):
retail for the energy bundle together will get the latest
for you with the people who've heard the rumors, whose.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Thinks it been.

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Speaker 2 (33:15):
Be afternoon, the government's finally made its long awaited announcement
on foreigners being able to buy houses. Here, foreign investors
who invest five million dollars will now also be allowed
to buy one house that costs five million dollars or more.
Erica Stanford is the Immigration ministand with us. Hey Erica, afternoon,
how are you. I'm well, thank you. So why five million?

Speaker 12 (33:37):
Well, we wanted to make sure that the investment in
the housing market wasn't going to cause any problems for
first home buyers or skew the market. And I think
five million was a good figure because it represents only
the very top one percent, and so it means that
these people can come settle in New zealand get used
to the landscape, spend more money here, also not skew

(34:00):
the property market, which is what we wanted to avoid.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
How many houses have we got in the country worth
five million or more?

Speaker 12 (34:07):
Well, it's one percent of the market. And I did
I heard the number today and I forgot what it was.
But it's one percent of whatever that figure is. And
I'll see if I can look it up while I'm
talking to you.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Oh, thank you, I appreciate it. How many investors do
you reckon we'll be attracted as a result.

Speaker 12 (34:22):
Well, I know the three hundred have already put their
applications and many of them will be keen to have
a house here. Not all of them immediately, but many
of them will. I'm expecting that this will mean we
will get more applications. I know that when I've talked
to lawyers and immigration agents, they've said that they've got
people who are interested, but the house buying thing was
a problem. So I'm expecting we'll start to see a

(34:44):
little uptick in applications we've seen. We saw a huge
surge at the beginning. It has tailed off now and
I expect we'll see another, maybe not the same surge
as we saw at the beginning, but I think we'll
see an uptick. So I'm expecting, you know, another couple
of hundred this year.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
This seems like it was a really hard negotiation in cabinet,
was it.

Speaker 12 (35:03):
It actually wasn't. And look, I think Winston has been
on the record over the fast past few weeks saying that,
you know, he wanted to get this done, but look,
some things take a little bit of time. But I
wasn't part of the negotiations.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
But if it wasn't such a hard negotiation, why is
it taking you guys two years to do it?

Speaker 12 (35:21):
Well, firstly, we only bought the AIP visa in April
this year, and it really only had surged numbers in
the last couple of months, so up until then the
previous settings that Labor put in place weren't attracting the
levels of migrants that we've seen, so it wasn't it
wasn't really an issue until the last sort of couple
of months where we've seen these three hundred applications with

(35:43):
others waiting to put the application in. So it's only
been a more recent issue that we've started to talk about.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
All right, hey, thanks for your time. As always, Erica Stanford,
Immigration Minister here the Duplessyl. The government is set to
release its decision on how to fix the energy sector
sometime this month.

Speaker 17 (35:58):
Now.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
This comes after the so called Frontier Report, which the
government commission telling it what to do to the electricity market.
That's been on the desks for a few months. I've
kept it under wraps, but rumors are swelling. Margaret Cooney
is the chief operating officer at Octopus Energy and with us.
Hey Margaret, Hi, how are you here?

Speaker 8 (36:14):
Well?

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Thank you. Have you heard that this report recommends nationalizing
the thermal generation assets.

Speaker 18 (36:20):
Yes, we've heard that from a number of credible sources
and it's swirling the energy nerd circles of Wellington that
this was a recommendation from Frontier.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Is that what you want.

Speaker 18 (36:35):
Look, I think it's an interesting idea, but immediately we
need to increase supply in the sector, so just shifting
around existing assets doesn't really solve the problem. So we've
been suggesting to government that they should basically take the
board band approach or which is an approach used in
other countries and underwright new investment. So you can do

(36:59):
that by doing a tender, getting long term contracts the
new supplied to come into market as soon as possible,
and they should do that to match the government's own
demand profile. It would mean you'd need a mix of
different types of generation in order to give you the
certainty and confidence that that energy is there.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Government's not going to nationalize the thermal assets.

Speaker 18 (37:24):
A I think it's unlikely with the national government, but
it is a concept that has been floated by A Frontiers.
So we're yet to hear how the government's going to
deal with that report. But I think there are better
solutions there that would help us resolve the electrocyed supply
crunch that we're in and also get the market settings

(37:48):
working so that we have a broader group of parties
that can invest in the new Zealand market and build
that much needed new generation.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay, tell me what you think they're actually going to
do then? Is it the underwriting?

Speaker 18 (38:02):
Look, honestly, we don't know what the government is going
to do, but what I hope that they will do
is a combination of things. So it's act on the
announcements that they've will be ready made about improving the
market settings so that they support competition, that's one, but
immediately put out at tender for these long term contracts

(38:24):
so that we get the uplift and supply that is
so urgently needed. It's really not something we can wait for.

Speaker 17 (38:33):
We've got this.

Speaker 18 (38:34):
Immediate supply crunch. Really high prices have been there since
you know, twenty eighteen, and we've got looming gas supply shortages,
which mean that we immediately need to bolster the electricity
supply so we can accommodate industry that wants to electrify

(38:58):
and also reduce the alec TRICTI industries reliance on that
guest that's becoming more scarce.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, totally, Margaret, Thanks for your time. Margaret Cooney OCTOPUC
Entergy Chief Operating Office and why ask Chris Boshop a
question about that I think we all agree government's not
going to do that because it's nutty to start nationalizing assets.
I will talk to him after six o'clock. He's in
for Nikola Willis five thirteen.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Ever do for cl exciting.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
News for Ikea fans. Jeez, if you're an Ikea fan,
you must be starting to fizz because we're going to
find out on Thursday when the Sylvia Park. I don't
know what I mean, you know, what's a date they're
going to tell us on Thursday when the Sylvia Park
store is going to open next year, And I guess
it does I'm sort of I'm want to be a
little bit cynical about it, but then at the same time,
I guess it does matter if it's March versus December,

(39:44):
because you know, that's a big difference. You can start
getting pretty excited about March going to to tie horror,
but for December anyway. They've also announced that they're going
to set up it's not just for Aucklanders, which I
think is super exciting. It's for everybody in the country.
So the store opens in Auckland and Sylvia Park, but
then anybody in the country can order this stuff and
actually just go and pick it up from your local

(40:04):
pickup points, so there will be twenty nine pickup points
in the country, all the way from kak Tire to
in the Cargo New Zealand Post is going to handle
the smaller items like the accessories and the soft furnishings
and all those little bits mainfree. You're going to move
the bulky items like the sofas and the bookcases, and
then you go. You're gonna need a truck. You're gonna
pick it up at your pickup place, and everybody's gonna
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(41:32):
wait for New Zealand post delivery. To be fair, they've
got a bit of capacity now because they're not doing
the US tariff stuff for most of us the parcels
there By the way, I did get it wrong. It's
opening this this year. Now that's a thousand times more exciting,
isn't it, Because there's only three months So the only
question is how far before Christmas. And also the other
question is which weekend are we not going to IQRE

(41:53):
because everybody else is at iq And also the other
question is if you're in Christy, which weekend do you
need to book your tickets up to come to Ikre.
This is going to be full noise for us. Nothing
we love in New Zealand more than a supermarket opening
or a tunnel or a shop a nineteen past five.
Now New Zealand has jumped up the Global Peace indecks
up two spots. We're now ranked third in the world.
Goes Iceland, Ireland.

Speaker 6 (42:14):
US.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Kevin Clements is an emeritus Professor of Peace and Conflict
Studies at the University of Otago and also the chair
of the Expert Advisory Panel for the Global Piece Index.
And with us now Hi Kevin, Hi, Hello, very well,
thank you. What have we done to go up two spots?

Speaker 17 (42:29):
Well, well, it's based on three different things, so sort
of a measure of societal safety and security and ongoing
to Mesican national conflict and degree of militarization. And when
the data was coming in in New Zealand was not
joining all the other countries immediately agreeing to kind of
a five percent defense expenditure. But we've always been in

(42:50):
the top five ever since the index was developed in
nineteen years ago. So we've moved around a little bit,
but it's always been Ice and you see industriear in Switzerland.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
So does it count against us that we've bought all
these helicopters and.

Speaker 17 (43:05):
Worries Well, May next year, May next year we may drop.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Well that's counterintuitive, isn't it, Kevin, Because you're not going
to have peace if you can't defend your borders.

Speaker 17 (43:16):
Well no, but but you also can't have peace if
there's no social cohesion, high levels of polarization, bad governors,
lack of free media and so forth. Piece are the
things which really can generate high levels of peacefulness and
in terms of what we understand as positive peace.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
So is there anything to the fact that all three
in the top three, being Iceland, Ireland and ourselves have
we're islands. Does that count for something?

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Well?

Speaker 17 (43:42):
Yes, because we've got a new huge moats between us.
I mean that you know, our nearest neighbors is Australia,
and that provides you know, one one very major line
of defense. And it's true that they're all they're all islands, Australia, however,
is in Switzerland a landlocked So no, it's got more
to do with levels of militarization, high levels of state welfare,

(44:09):
education and so forth, good health systems, although these are
kind of currently under stress here. But you know, the
things which make up for social cohesion. I mean you
can see also what happens when when you move in
a direction of heavy militarization like the US. I mean
that's now I dropped one hundred and twenty eight out

(44:32):
of one hundred sixty three countries.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, I see, Kevin, thanks so much, appreciate your time.
That's Kevin clements Emiritus, Professor of Peace and Conflict Studies
at the University of Otago. Heither, for God's sake, make
the second language internationally useful like Spanish, Mandarinal Japanese, not
internationally useless like you know what says Jonathan from Altucky.
He's talking about Mary. He's talking about today Omari, Jonathan.

(44:58):
If you listen to the show, you know I totally Sagreasi.
In fact, if I was going to make anything compulsories,
be Mary for everybody after English. But we'll talk about
that in about fifteen minutes time. Five to twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper Clan
Drive with one New Zealand coverage Like no one else
news talks, there'd be five twenty four.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Listen when the government says that part of the reason
that we should let the foreign investors back into the
property market is because of the work that they provide.
I actually one hundred percent back them up on this.
This is not making uppy stuff. This is real. So
there's an American couple who bought a house on our
street not that long ago, and I don't and they
paid around about five mil for I'm not entirely sure.
I'm not entirely sure how they did that, but one
of them must have a passport or something like that. Anyway, anyway,

(45:41):
they are in America, though they're Florida based. They are
hardly at their house in Auckland, hardly ever at their house.
But they have so much maintenance going on at that
house that it's actually become quite funny. They have people
washing the house, then they have people doing the hedges.
Then they have a property agent that probably have cleaners.
Because if you've got five mil to buy a second

(46:01):
or third or fourth property. Of course, you've got cleaners,
and then they had somebody who cleaned the gutters the
other day. The guy who washes the house down regularly
told us that the house isn't actually even dirty anymore,
but he's just washing it down because he's been told
that he needs to wash it down, so he just
keeps on doing what he's told. But it's not actually dirty.
They've had furniture delivered, they've had furniture installed, they've had
appliances delivered, they've had appliances installed, they've had maintenance done

(46:25):
inside the house. Now they're putting in a pool. It
is a big pool. The pool guys have been building
the pool I reckon for about four months. They've got
concrete guys. They've got digger guys, they've got piling guys,
they've got pipe laying guys. They've got the guys who
are doing the pool. Then the guys who did our
pool glass is now going to do their pool glass.
And this obviously means that the couple will need to
add to their schedule of maintenance a pool cleaning guy

(46:48):
as well, who's going to be getting some work. So
do you see what I mean? This couple, and I
really am not making this up. This couple by themselves
is doing more maintenance on a house that they hardly
ever live in than probably six houses on the street
put together. Which is what you get when you are
wealthy enough to build a house worth five million dollars
and then take your US currency and convert that into

(47:09):
New Zealand dollars and see how far that actually goes.
This is a really smart call. What's happened from the
government today is a smart call. The houses at five
million dollars are really too expensive to mean that the
foreign buyers are competing with our first home buyers or
even most of our buyers. Frankly, it gives the foreign
buyers the option of living here in their own home,
which I think is reasonable, and it provides so much

(47:30):
work apparently for oursmes, so it's a winner all round.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Ever, dup for c Allen.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Did you realize did you realize that the spring Boks
and the spring Box and the All Blacks were asked
to change their jerseys this weekend because of color blindness?
So this is a world rugby thing. There is guidelines
that were first published in twenty twenty one which wants.
It's designed to help people with color blindness to tell
which which of the squads is which are the squads?
And unfortunately the black in the black is very black,

(47:58):
but the green and the spring box jersey is very
dark as well, and so if you've got color blindness
for those colors, you can't tell them apart. Anyway. While
I I'm all about loving everybody and stuff like that,
thank god, they've gone back to World rugby and been like, no,
we're the green and gold guys, we're the black guys.
We're just playing in our jerseys. Common sense prevails. Common
sense News is next.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
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Speaker 1 (48:30):
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Speaker 2 (48:43):
Puddles standing by Christmashi was in for MICHAELA. Willis after
six o'clock. Also, I need to say, I am honestly
have you heard about the toe Hunger Police, the crack
squad they've got on the retail crime. These guys are awesome.
I'm gonna have to run you through that short lits
twenty five away from six. Now let's talk about languages.
There are calls for the country to make it compulsory
to learn a second language at school. It turns out

(49:04):
there are now fewer students learning a second language than
there were in the nineteen thirties. Juliet Kennedy as the
president of the Association of Language Teachers Julett.

Speaker 19 (49:12):
Hello, Hi Heather, how are you going very well?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Thank you? So are we talking about it making it
compulsory for years seven to ten?

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Are we?

Speaker 19 (49:20):
Yes? That's right, Yes, we would like to make languages
compulsory from year seven to ten.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Aren't we missing? I mean, that's fine, but aren't we
missing the most important years to learn a language, which
I would have thought would be under five.

Speaker 19 (49:32):
Well that's a really good question. Ideally in an ideal world,
and what many countries already do is teach languages from
year one right the way through to high school, such
as the likes in South Africa and Europe. In some
parts of Australia and England. However, the recommendations put through
by the Chinese Language Week Trust are meant to be

(49:55):
immediately implementable, So we wouldn't have a workforce to start
from year one all the way through to year eleven,
but we would have a workforce there from year seven
to year ten.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Definitely, And in an ideal world, we start basically the
minute they walk into the school.

Speaker 19 (50:14):
Absolutely, absolutely, in an ideal world, that is the best
time to start. But we need to make steps in
that direction before we can do that.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
What is the smart thing? I mean, what do you
guys think. Do you think that we get to choose
which languages our kids learn or do we just have
one and we go this is what you all learn.

Speaker 19 (50:30):
Well, that's also an excellent question. I think we were
going to make language learning compulsory that it's quite a
complex issue, and so my personal view is that we
need to begin with Tady or Mary as our official
language and our indigenous language, and also think about New
Zealand Sign language. But it's also really important that students

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have a chance to learn other languages, including heritage languages
which have spoken in our community, but also kind of
world stage languages such as Chinese or French or Spanish
or German or Japanese. So it's a very tricky question
to ask. I think some hard decisions would have to
be made by school communities, but there are ways around it.

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If we strengthen distance education, for example, in New Zealand
like they have in Australia, we would be able to
offer a wider choice for kids that didn't want to
go with the chosen languages of the school in the
school community.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Juliet, thanks very much appreciated, Juliet Kennedy, New Zealand Association
of Language Teachers Presidents twenty two away from six.

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Speaker 8 (51:47):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
If we make a language compulsory, which language do you choose?
I do today, Ol Marty.

Speaker 20 (51:53):
For a start, that is an official language of New Zealand.
It is a treasure of New Zealand. I can completely
support this. When I was about probably nineteen, I went
to Europe for the very first time, and I was
sitting in a little backpackers at breakfast and a whole
lot of people came downstairs for their breakfast and they

(52:14):
were talking three four five different languages and interchanging, and
I felt super stupid. Yes, and I thought, you know,
when I heard this this morning, I thought, actually, language
for New Zealanders is a skill for the world, and
it's really important. I think that our kids have it
as compulsory at school, and once you learn one language,

(52:35):
it's far easier to learn another. Also, learning a language
teaches you a huge amount about English and the real
crunchy basics of English that we're probably not being taught.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
I absolutely love it. Yeah, me too. What do you think, Jersey, which.

Speaker 12 (52:48):
I totally agree. I mean, I don't think it matters
what language.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
It is, So it does matter. It does matter because
either what you're doing, you're either deciding that a whole
bunch of kids are going to speak for French, hold
a bunch of kids is going to speak Spanish matter,
or everybody speaks the same language and can talk to
each other, so you have to pick one.

Speaker 21 (53:05):
But the point you're right, well, what I mean is,
I don't think it matters which one you pack, because
whatever the language is, when a kid is speaking two languages,
their mind opens to the idea that that object over
their table can have several names and it's still a table.
So it makes it easier to learn a second language
and even a third language, and so yeah, you're absolutely right, Heavy.

(53:26):
I think you've got to have a structure around this,
And like you guys, I would go learn to to
Rio Mari and then you get to pick one other one,
whether it's a French or German or Spanish, or whether
it's Chinese or Japanese, depending on where you think you
want to go in your career.

Speaker 12 (53:39):
Right as a kid.

Speaker 21 (53:40):
But my point is I saw it with my own
kids who went to France speaking English and came back
fluent in French, and they had this whole sense of
objects in the world having multiple names that it didn't
frighten them when they heard other languages and other people
speaking languages, and they picked up to Rio Mari really well.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yeah, because, as trisharees, once you can do one, you
can do heap, or two you can do heaps. Now, Trish,
do you like the foreign investors buying the houses?

Speaker 20 (54:08):
I love the foreign investors buying the houses. And I
just feel absolutely over the political horse trading on this one.
It is absolutely common sense. And let me just start
by a brick bat for labor on this Their comments
on this today show why they are absolutely not fit

(54:28):
to govern at the next election that they haven't done
any deep thinking or moved on from where they were.
So their kick back to this was this is going
to push up house prices. So two points to make.
Number one, the New Zealand housing market is in one
of the deepest and longest depressions that it has ever
been in. And number two, for goodness sake, these are

(54:50):
people buying five million dollar houses. The number of New
Zealanders who can afford that is absolutely tiny. So they
just really have got their finger on the pulse here.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
And I am absolutely with you.

Speaker 20 (55:03):
The reason we want people to buy here and live
here and invest here is because we need more money
in the system and more jobs.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yes, absolutely, Josie.

Speaker 21 (55:14):
Look, I'm in favor of it, but I just don't
think it's a big enough idea. And I think this
is one of the problems with the government's approach to
sort of fixing the economy, cost of living, growing the economy,
and so on, is that these people look at these
ideas and they go, Okay, that's fine. It's one percent
of housing stock. You're right, Trish, that are worth five
million dollars, so that's not much. It's probably going to

(55:36):
be about one hundred or so people who are of
the level to come in on this investment plan, and
you kind of go, that's fine, great.

Speaker 12 (55:44):
They'll spend some money here.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
But the bigger question is what are they going to
invest in.

Speaker 21 (55:48):
Because we're fast deindustrializing New Zealand in terms of our businesses.
You know, are there enough funds, are there enough businesses?
Are there enough things to invest in? So everything seems
to be hon It's way out, methadex Rio tinto steel, timber,
Fonterra is selling off its brands and so on. So
I think one of the reasons that the polls are

(56:08):
going down for the government is that people look at
these ideas. There's nothing to disagree with here really, and
you look at it and go, fine, but is that
a big enough solution to these looming problems we've got
of a country grinding to a halt.

Speaker 22 (56:21):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I think that's a fair point you make, like we're
going to take this one right, this is good, but
we need better than this next time. Totally all right,
let's take a break with you too. Come back shortly
seventeen away from six.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
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Speaker 2 (56:38):
Right, you're back with the huddle Trescherson and Joseph Bagani.
Josie Barry Sober says that he feels sorry for Neil
Quigley having to quit, Do you.

Speaker 21 (56:46):
Honestly the story has more character development than most Netflix series.
At the moment, it's tough on him. It is tough
on Neil quickly. I do have some sympathy for him.
He's performed well in the job, and you know, he
hasn't done such a bad job. It's just that lack
of frankness and the feeling that it's seeped out in
this really unseemly way that we got all the facts

(57:08):
about All's resignation, and I just think people in the end,
if you don't trust the Reserve Bank and the chair
of the Reserve Bank, you've got big, big problems. I
do think the guy who's stepping up into his position,
Roger Finley, who's actually if anyone's going to renew trust,
it'll be him. I mean, he's got a huge back

(57:28):
then governance and sorting out dysfunctional organizations. I think he
did banking in London in the past, so I hope
they just stopped there for a while. Just settle down,
roll your sleeves up, do the work, and stop changing
and having these drama Netflix dramas, and let's just get
on with it because I've got to recruit someone.

Speaker 20 (57:46):
I have lived my adult life with the Reserve Bank's
reputation being unimpeachable, just like the exterior of that building
in Wellington is so solid, and also through my lifetime,
until we got to Adrian Orr, we had what you want,
which is an old school Reserve Bank governors. They are
like the Mount Rushmore. They just wheeled out, there's no emotion,

(58:09):
They give the facts and then they wheel them back in.
I cannot believe that the reputation of the Reserve Bank
has sunk to this level. Yes, and I think the
energy that the Reserve Bank put into trying to cover
up Adrian Or's resignation and what really happened is a
serious issue. The idea that New Zealanders weren't allowed to

(58:31):
know what had happened is ridiculous and in the event,
we should have known immediately. And the other point about
it is that the government has heaped on the reputational damage.
So last Monday, with the Prime Minister coming on Mike
Hoskins Show and saying he has some reckons with the
Reserve Bank. The acting governor, Christian Hawksby. I think the

(58:55):
Nikola Willis handling of this it has just heaped on
their reputational damage of the Reserve Bank and that is
very very serious now, especially at the time we're in now.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah, I totally agree. I think Josie that there are
real questions around whether Nicola Willis can actually walk away
from this completely unscathed and escape criticism because she knew
for six months, she knew that the story that they
were telling us was a bunch of porky's and she
just kept on, she kept on covering for them. That's unexcepted.

Speaker 21 (59:23):
But the first mistake, the first mistake though, is to
think that you could do a deal with Adriane or
to say this letter will be screwed up and put
on the bin and it will never come out when
you're right trous something is where trust is the absolute
currency in the Reserve Bank when it comes to its role,
and if you lose that trust, you then have to

(59:44):
go right.

Speaker 12 (59:44):
We've got to.

Speaker 21 (59:47):
Name the problem, tell people what it was. There was
a breakdown in the relationship, a breakdown and behavior breakdown
with Adrian and Nicola Willis and so on. Be straight
up with people, because we know you're all human, but
we don't trust you now that you're going to tell
us when things go wrong again. And so whoever is
coming in, whoever comes in as the next governor, you know,
Roger Finley stays as the chair. The thing they've got

(01:00:08):
to focus on more than anything now is steady as
she goes. Trust, transparency, tell us everything that you know,
talk us through what you're debating in your in meetings
about what you're.

Speaker 22 (01:00:18):
Going to do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Give us.

Speaker 21 (01:00:19):
Reassure us that we will know if things are going
badly wrong again.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Yep, stop telling Porky's Okay, Trish, was it windy enough
in Auckland yesterday to shut Cornwall Park? In case you
got hat by a bit of flying wood.

Speaker 20 (01:00:32):
I am completely exercised about the fact that just general
winter weather these days means that harbor bridges are closed,
parks are closed. There is literally a mass panic. And
you know, I have to say when I read a
headline that says an atmospheric river, which just means rain,

(01:00:55):
Actually that's all that is all totally hyping it up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
It's ridiculous. What the hell is wrong with us, trash,
what is wrong with it? It's just a windy day,
like a willing to do it's a windy day.

Speaker 20 (01:01:06):
But what has happened to us is that, in fairness
to the managers of Cornwall Park, if you are you know,
if you're coming under the Health and Safety Act and
you and you're deemed to be one of the safety people,
you are so risk averse these days that you do that,
that you take the easy option and you shut.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Things like this down.

Speaker 20 (01:01:27):
That that is why, because the fear of risk and
liability is so big. But it's an absolute nonsense. And
I also would just put out a challenge to people
that you know, just look outside, assess the weather yourself,
make a call on it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
It's really not that difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
I'm told I need a yes or no.

Speaker 11 (01:01:48):
Sorry, Joseph, have you've got a brain.

Speaker 17 (01:01:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:01:51):
But one of the consequences of this is that because
we're kind of getting the risk matrix back to front now,
because we're so terrified of making a.

Speaker 12 (01:01:58):
Mistake like you.

Speaker 21 (01:02:00):
We did a report to our board the other day
where we said, oh, we put a mat by the
left because when it rains people slip a little bit.
So we've put a map down and we've laid a
cable down and we've put taped it down so no
on trips over it and realized at the end of
the meeting we've forgotten.

Speaker 18 (01:02:13):
To say that.

Speaker 21 (01:02:14):
Oh and by the way, Josie was in a tsunami
in the Solomon Islands last week. So your whole kind
of risk sense of what's really a risk starts to
get completely skewed and you forget the things that are
actually a real risk, like tsunami.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Jeez, I think we might need to shut all of
Wellington down because it's quite windy.

Speaker 6 (01:02:32):
Well that would have to be permanent.

Speaker 20 (01:02:34):
Wun't We've already done that, Heather, I've already done it.
There's Augusta when in a drop of rain, Wellington's gone
down there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Yeah, and I've defintely closed lockdown, lockdown for any wind guys.
Thank you very much appreciated, Trishus and Joseph Aganey. I
hrdle this evening ate away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
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Speaker 6 (01:02:59):
This isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
What's just landed on my desk. But I don't know
whether to take this seriously or just have a laugh
at it. John Key and Helen Clark are going to
Shooting Ping's military parade. This is the one we were
telling you about earlier in the show, the one that
Poten's going to. And I don't know. Other luminaries like
Kim Jong un are going to it, and none of

(01:03:22):
our government ministers are going. But Clarky and Kesey are going.
I mean, I love that they march to the row drum.
I mean this is probably taking is it? Is it
taking the China love a bit far?

Speaker 17 (01:03:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
I also think it's quite ironic that the North Korean
despot Kim Jong un is attending what is called the
World Anti Fascist War. That's so it's World Anti Fascist
War and he's there. Anyway, he can have a little
think about that. Anyway, Look, we'll ask Chris Bishop about it.
Chris Bishops in for Nichola willis with us shortly, so
we'll ask him has reckons on this kind of interesting

(01:03:56):
and funny development. Oh by the way, thank you to
all the people who text me and said if you
find yourself color blinded to madness by the spring box
all blacks Jersey thing. Just look at the shorts because
that's the dead giveaway. The bookies are in the white
and all blacks are in the black. That's how you
can tell them apart. Okay, good luck with that. Four
away from six now here. I am loving the Totenger

(01:04:18):
Retail Crime Unit because of the good work that they do.
This is a story that emerged over the weekend that
I reckon just shows how good these guys are. So
there's a young cop who works there. There's a dedicated team,
by the way, if you haven't heard about them, who
just deal with retail crime and totdranger. Young copper Zach
McKay gets a report of a woman trying to steal
more than a thousand dollars worth of goods from Miter ten.
He's only got one investigative lead, which is her license plate,

(01:04:40):
so he checks it into the database and something jumps out.
He sees that she's been going to a lot of
retail sites with this particular number plate. So does some
proper detective worker, gets in contact with the stores, looks
through their CCTV footage and sure enough there she is
wandering around the stores filling up her shopping bags, not
paying for the items. Name is Amy Ravens. Wood. Shops

(01:05:01):
didn't even know until Zach McKay, the young cop got
in contact with them. Shops didn't even know that she'd
been stealing from them. She was stealing between September last
year February this year. She stole about seven thousand dollars
worth of good. She had the New World of Mount
Monganui five times, Bunning's Mount Montinue eleven times, came out
in Bethlehem four times, had a d tagger in her handbag,
you know the thing to take all the taggy noise

(01:05:22):
off to take the stuff out. In the end, faced
thirty seven charges thirty five worth for theft and some
other stuff. Was sentenced to two years in jail. Unfortunately
the judge led us down, which is always the case.
Judge gave her home d because of course the judge did,
because you know it's a judge, that's what they do.
But the coppers awesome work from them. Chris Bishop.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
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christ Bishop, the Associate Finance Minister in for Nikola willis
the Finance minister.

Speaker 6 (01:06:18):
Hey bish, good eight, how are i yum?

Speaker 8 (01:06:20):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Thank you? Did you read about the judge giving the
gang patch back to the mongrel old member last week?

Speaker 6 (01:06:25):
I've seen the story.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Yeah, what do we do about this?

Speaker 6 (01:06:30):
Well, ultimately we don't interfere in the courts. The gang
patch ban is working really well. I think mostly zellers
around the country will have noticed a decline in the
number of gang members wearing patches around the traps, which
is a good thing. Means less intimidation for people, and
you know it's having an effect, so it's working really well.

Speaker 18 (01:06:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
The problem here, apparently is that the law. You guys
were told to write the law so that if the
gang patch was confiscated it would be destroyed, so it
cannot be handed back. Would you would you consider amending
the law.

Speaker 8 (01:06:58):
To do that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
I'm sure Paul Godsmith and mart Mature are having a
reader of the judgment and I'm sure they'll be taking
advice on it. I'm not across it, and I'm sure
they'll be having a look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Okay, I hope. So is it true that government departments
are going to merge in a big way?

Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
The Public Service Commission, Sir Brian Roche and his team
there are having a look at a range of changes.
Some of it's become public around housing and Ministry for
the Environment and transport and things like that, and they
are looking at a wider range of changes. I think
most people agree that we, you know, we can streamline
things a bit more and reduce the bureaucracy. You know,
we've got a huge number of ministers and a huge

(01:07:33):
number of government departments, and you know we're having a
look at that. This is all about making sure public
services are delivered for New Zealanders in a more effective
and cost effective way.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Would you support going like a drastic reduction like forty
down to twenty.

Speaker 6 (01:07:48):
Well, let's wait and see where things get to. I know,
Sir Brian and his team are having a look at
those things.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
That's huge at that bush would you be like, oh,
no way, would you ever think about that?

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
Maybe, Well, I'm in favor of smaller government. I want
to get government. I want to reduce the size of government,
and I want the government that we have to be
more effective at what it does. So anything that meets
those tests, you know, we'll have a good look at.
And that's that's not just my position, it's the it's
the view of the government as well. So we'll have
a look at all of those things. But you've also
got to weigh it up against the cost of change.

(01:08:18):
You know, there's there are a lot of public service
working for the government right now, and we have a
lot of government departments. Every time you merge them together
or reduce them or bring them into things, you know,
I'm thinking of mb for example, which happened under the
last National government, there's a cost change right There's you know,
people have got to reapply for jobs, you've got to

(01:08:38):
hire new managers, you've got rebranding, you've got logos, you know, all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
That sort of stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
So you've got to weigh up we doing all those things,
you know, because that's that's all part of it as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
How long is it going to take before we get
an answers to what's going to happen here?

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
I would I would say in the next few months.
It's this is not a it's like not like a
next week type thing, but this is I know, so
Brian and the team you're having a look at it,
but it's not something that's going to happen probably the
side of Christmas, I'd say.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
West Winston's so weird about talking about foreign buyers.

Speaker 6 (01:09:05):
Oh, you'll have to put that to him. I think
you see how weird he is. I've seen a hero
story in which he or it might be in his
dom poster actually which he gets. You know, he's a
little bit fired up about a about the issue. But
I can understand where he's coming from because what we're
doing on the on the on the foreign investment thing
that's been announced today is is it doesn't affect the

(01:09:28):
foreign buyer ban at all. I mean, over ninety nine
percent of homes are not affected. So what we're saying
is if you turn up here and you want to
invest five million bucks or more because you're part of
the Golden Visa, the active investor plus Visa, which has
been extraordinarily successful. By the way, I had over a
one point five billion dollars worth of investment. So if
you want to invest here in New Zealand and put
money into the country and you know, hire people and everything,

(01:09:51):
we're just.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Saying you should be able to buy a house.

Speaker 6 (01:09:52):
And we're not saying you buy any house. You can
only buy one five million dollars or more.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Talking about this for the last two hours, we're across
the detail. But you know, I mean, you're right. I
need to talk to Winston about why he's so weird
about it. I don't want to make you defend him.
That would just be weird for you. Okay, what are
we going to do about the totaling a report extension?
What do we change in the law here to make
this happen?

Speaker 6 (01:10:11):
We're going to fix it. There's a bit of a
stuff up frankly through the process. Now there's a long
story behind it, which I won't bore you with. We've
had a judgment, we're going to act and you know,
we've got legislation coming for the fast tracked supermarket regime
and there's a whole bunch of residual you know, kind
of remedial things we're going to do with the fast
track regime as part of that to improve it. And

(01:10:32):
so that's the sort of legislative vehicle. So we're going
to fix it, acknowledge the problem. It is a problem,
and we're going to fix it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
And then when do they get their hearing again because
it was supposed to happen today.

Speaker 6 (01:10:42):
Yeah, I know, so that that's we're just gonna We're
just working our way through that right now. It's not
an immediate fix. Like we know, Parliament's not even sitting
this week, for example, so we can't you know, we
can't fix it this week. We can't fix it next
week either. There's a bit of a process to go through.
So it is intensely frustrating. I'm as annoyed by as
everybody else. You know, sixty percent of exports by value

(01:11:03):
go out of the Port of Toronto. They have literally
ships lining up to get in to get it, get
stuff out of our porch and our care we throw
it and everything else. So I'm as frustrated by it
as anybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
And we are going to fix it, Okay, yes or no?
Are you going to nationalize the thermal generation in this country. No,
thank god, we're having a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
We're not doing that, but we are having a look
at the operation of the ultrucity market. As you know,
it is not an easy issue. I'll just say that
it is complicated, and I can just reassure everybody listening
that we are it is one of our top priorities
to deliver more secure and affordable energy formula.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
So I'm glad you're not going to nationalize, because that's
some kooky stuff we don't need going on in this country.
But what I'm also not keen on is that we
get into another situation like with the supermarkets, where we're
faffing around and it's just bitsy bitsy stuff and it
really doesn't make a big difference. Are you actually going
to do something here.

Speaker 6 (01:11:56):
We're working our way through that process. So I'm not
the most so I can't but well, I can't speak
for him, but I can tell you that we are.
We've had the you know, we've had We've had a
number of reports. Actually, there's been an energy Competition task
Force and all the rest of it. So we're working
our way through that process and once Cabinet's come to
a decision. You know it'll be announced.

Speaker 20 (01:12:13):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Hey, do you think it's weird that Kesey and Clark
at the China summit?

Speaker 6 (01:12:19):
Well, that's ultimately over to them. I mean, obviously Helen
Clark and John Key had you know, with their governments,
had had good relations. You know, we did the free
trade deal under the Clark government, which continued on and
saw huge expenses.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
You don't because you're not none of you.

Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
No, No, I'm not. I'm not saying that at all.
I'm just saying that I think it reflects the historical
circumstances of their.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
But if they got invited because they had good relations
and none of you got invited, that its because you
haven't got good relations.

Speaker 6 (01:12:48):
No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't read it into it like that.
Ultimately that you know, that's another question for mister Peterson.
But are you a little bit I'm on the Foreign minister,
but come on, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Just like a little bum that you're not at the
party that Kim Jong on is at because it might
be your only chance to meet him.

Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
I don't think I'll ever get to meet Kim Jong On.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Oh wouldn't it be good?

Speaker 8 (01:13:09):
Though?

Speaker 6 (01:13:09):
What upset about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
I'd love it all right, listen, did you see what
Auckland Auckland Transport's doing with the sixty three million dollars
on road cones and traffic management that they think is fine?

Speaker 6 (01:13:21):
Yeah, sure, they've got their numbers coming down to be fair,
and it's about five percent of their capital costs. It's
a bit's a bit higher than the ZTA. We want
them to get it down Tota ZTA from memory is
about three point six percent now on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
See what I'm bummed out though by is the fact
that you've got the new rules right where they don't
have to use so many road cones and blah blah.
They're not they're basically taking it right to the deadline
of mid twenty twenty seven. They're not even changing their
contracts at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:13:48):
Well, well they're in the process of doing that, and
i'd encourage them to get on with it sooner. Actually,
I've just actually I've just seen my notes. Two point
three percent for temper traffic management for ZTA.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Mate's got it down double that. That's outrageous.

Speaker 6 (01:14:02):
Yeah, well, they're on a journey, they're on a jouney,
and i'd encourage them to speed it up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Yeah too, right, are you going to go see the
Don mcglession movie, because I know you guys are great mates,
just asking.

Speaker 6 (01:14:12):
Well, I mean, this is the hilarious thing hither is.
I am actually quite a fan of Don mcgleshon. I
know he's not a fan of me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
What was that best song?

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
Best song?

Speaker 6 (01:14:23):
I am a fan of Niri from the first album
Good Choice. I'm also a fan of Jacky's song, which
is a deep cut from the Last Muffin Boo. It's
about well exactly. It's a beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
I'll hit you with her. Don't fight me, Marsha, don't
fight at Marsha. It's bigger than the both of us.

Speaker 6 (01:14:41):
Blam bam blam. Yeah, that's a classic. I mean, and
Andy is a classic. Obviously Andy sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
You don't like Andy's so emotional one that goes she's
been talking to my friends. You know that one on
in the of Angels the album that's a banger.

Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
Yes, that's that straight my head. No, she's she's been talking.
I think there's name of the song.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
You know what I reckon? You and I have to
go see it together and invite Donald.

Speaker 6 (01:15:05):
Look, I am going to go see it. I'm also
going to go see the Shane Carter movie, which is
which is just one of big straight jackets. But that's
the hilarious thing.

Speaker 14 (01:15:14):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:15:14):
Don Don's not a fan of me, but I love
his music.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Probably it's always He probably hates me too, don't worry
about it. And I love the ground. The man walks
on and wants to know if you're going to Snoop
Dog on September the twentieth, seeing as you are.

Speaker 6 (01:15:26):
I'm not a rapper and I'm not a rapping hip
hop fan. Sorry. Sorry for all the people out there
who like me and like hippop.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
I'm not.

Speaker 6 (01:15:35):
I'm not, I'm not. Just can't do it. What do
you reckon?

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
The little The little crossover is with people who love
Chris Bishop and love Snoop Dog.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
The ven diagram. I don't reckon the venn diagram. I
don't reckon the circles. It's not it's not high. But no,
I'm not going. But I love guitars. I just I
just I just there's nothing like electric guitars.

Speaker 17 (01:15:55):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:15:56):
I'm an old fashion guy. They're out of fashion these days.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
But I love guitars now they're coming back. They're coming back,
both and guitars bring them back. Baby, Buch that you're
not calling me babby. Just for the record, bitch, thank
you so much, appreciate it. Chris Bishop, Associate Finance Minister.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
He's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Now, that's what do McGlashan says about him. He goes,
oh that Chris Bishop, He's fun. Seventeen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
It's the Heather Duplicy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
my Art Radio powered by Newstalks EBB. If it's to
do with money, it matters to you. The Business Hour
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Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Heather, I'm a big fan of Chris Bishop and I'm
also a big fan of Snoop. So there's one for
the Venn diagram. Heather, please have more Chris Bishop on
more often. That was a great interview.

Speaker 6 (01:16:44):
Do you know what this is?

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Why we're all starting to say if Luxon got hit
by a bus, would it be bish? And I think
the answer is yes. But this is, by the way,
just on Winston. This is Winston's got so weird about it.
If you talk to he's going to do this with Hosking. Tomorrow,
Hoskins gonna say something about the foreign buyers are gonna
have No, it's not foreign buyers, it's foreign investors. There's
a difference. He's given an interview to The Herald and

(01:17:04):
he said it's minuscule in the extreme. As you can
see again, y're not to talk about foreign buyers.

Speaker 14 (01:17:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Who does that sound like?

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Well, if you've got Lebanese heritage yourself for me, foh, Mike,
I say that that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Hey, here's our Bob Getter. Six twenty one, Shane Soley,
Harbor Asset Management is with US. Hello Shane, Hello, yaba, Okay,
what do you reckon? You look at this this economic
data out last week. Do you think that we get
cuts in the US?

Speaker 22 (01:17:32):
Yeah? Look in the US, we're on track here there
are business of inflation data out last week. Doesn't really
alter the head reserve rate cuts path, but it does
give them a the more ammunition. The key points that
came out last week was this thing called the Personal
Consumption Expendre PCEE. It's the fed's key inflation indicator. Watch
came out at zero point three for the month for June.

(01:17:53):
It's pretty much in line and then we had a
Michigan consumercy you're going to go who here is the
keeping was? They're Importantly, they talked about inflation expectations for
the five to ten year dropping to three and a
half percent, again still high, but not as high as
it was. So this is sort of opening the door
for the Fed to cut by zero point to twenty
five percent taken into four twenty five to four point

(01:18:15):
five this Friday, however, head we have the non farm payrolls,
but that would be really important as an indicator as
to how hard the Fed goes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Now, what happened to the video share price on Friday?

Speaker 22 (01:18:28):
Yeah? Interesting one it was our three just out of
three percent, three point three percent, a little bit of
a soft result. Last week it was okay, not quite
as good as people wanted build. Really, what had it
was a news that Ali Baba, the Chinese tech company,
has developed a new chip. It's compatible with the videos platform. Indeed,
if the reports are right, then engineers can repurpose programs

(01:18:49):
they wrote for video chips for use with Alibaba chips,
and then that means it's more competitive for this growing
demand for artificial intelligence. So yeah, we saw the in
video ship rice, it's come off it's all time high
of one hundred and eighty three dollars US closed it
at one hundred and seventy four dollars US, down three
point three percent, still forty eight percent high than it
was a year ago. So a little way to go

(01:19:10):
before we're going to have to really get worried about it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Yeah too, right now. Chinese economic data came out in
the last few days as well. Looking at that, what
are you thinking about our economy?

Speaker 22 (01:19:19):
Well, the key thing was it was okay. It was okay,
suggesting overall that the broader purchasing manager in this is
the composite one purchasing manager of dies is a lead
indicator of economic activity, was above fifty. It was at
fifty point five. It's above fifty. It means the economy expanding.
But the devil was in the detail, the manufacturing part

(01:19:40):
of the purchasing managergacy, that was a below fifty. It
was at forty nine point four and slipped back, so
it means manufacturers not as positive on growing. That was
the non manufacturing part that was positive. So good for
our businesses that are perhaps providing services or things that
are consumed by you know, service parts of the Chinese

(01:20:01):
economy rather than manufacturer, but nonetheless kind of outful.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Yeah, good stuff, Shane. Always good to talk to you.
Talk to you next week. Shane Sally Harbor Asset Management
six twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Four croaging the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
It's Heather dup c Allen with the Business Hour and
MAZ for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News talks.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
That'd be Fraser Winner, a former Mercury Energy chief executive,
reckons we need to cut the carbon price on cold
Oh my gosh. The Green Party freaks out. He's going
to expect this is basically to bring our power prices down.
He's got a very good point here and he's going
to be with us and talk us through that. Shortly.
Got the show biz news for you. He's got children

(01:20:39):
in the car. Maybe distrack them really quickly so they
don't hear this. I'm not going to say anything rude,
but because they're going to lose their minds. Disneyland in
Paris has just announced they're going to be opening an
entire land dedicated to Frozen. The land will include a
new boat right ride, a full scale recreation of Arundel whatever.
I don't know Arundell, that's the fictional city in the movies.

(01:21:02):
The centerpiece will blow you away. They've made a replica
of Elsa's gigantic ice castle right in the middle of
the land.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
When it is high and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Scale, the ice powers made out of.

Speaker 11 (01:21:11):
More than thirty pieces.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Who for sure become a vita at the gas Wal
touris as they approached.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
This new or Mercenaria.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
And also you're gonna you're gonna be able to visit
sooner than you think, first half of next year. So
the school, Hollybob's right up at the start. Yay, I
know the movies are bad enough. I've never watched a
movie I have. I have a boy child, so I
haven't had to deal with this just yet, but I
because I will. Obviously, I don't mind what he watches.
If he wants to watch a girl things he's allowed.

(01:21:40):
Don't worry. I'm not one of those.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Did you see the cap snatching over the weekend at
the tennis Did you see it? While the guy's been identified,
he's the chief executive of a Polish paving company called
Drogbrook and his name is Puot she Sharak doesn't mean
anything to us but the point is simply, we now
know who that guy was, and he's a millionaire and
as a result, he is coppying it online like he
should because a millionaire stole a cap from a kid

(01:22:08):
that a tennis player was trying to give to the kid.
And the lesson in this is don't behave like a
dick in public because someone's filming it all the time. Coldplay,
couple right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
News is next, whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen
and has for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
He's talks.

Speaker 6 (01:22:46):
Pether.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Did IM miss Jamie McKay in your program this afternoon,
because I absolutely love his early Saturday morning show, But
I worked a bit later today and I hope he
was stoked with the Southland Stags ran fully shield over
the weekend way, No, he does Tuesdays and Thursdays. But
let me tell you that has who lives in the
same house as me, was stoked with the Southland Stags
ran fairly shield wind because when it was large, like
was it nineteen ninety one or something like that, there

(01:23:09):
was a long time I don't know two thousand. Maybe
I made that up, might have been twenty eleven, might
have been a lot more recent, but it was a
long time between drinks. So every Southlander is suddenly thrilled.
Gavin Gray is going to be with us shortly. It
turns out that the Queen, as in Queen Camilla, was
the victim of a groping incident on the Tube some

(01:23:29):
years ago when she was very young, and she fought
the guy off. So anyway, he'll talk us through the
detail winnings with us right now. It's twenty three away from.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Seven heather Sea a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Obviously, we're trying to figure out how to fix the
electricity sector and we're getting a lot of ideas, and
one of them is from the former boss of Mercury Energy,
who says that we need to drop the carbon price
that we put on coal through the ETS to bring
our power prices down. His Fraser Winner and he's with
us now, High Fraser, Hi, Heather, So do you reckon
you charge coal the same as you charge gas?

Speaker 16 (01:23:57):
Yeah, that was one of four things I laid out
in an article I did recently, because at the moment
what we have is an unfortunate intersection between the ETS
and the spot market and the electricity. Now, the point
of the ETS is to is to then incentivize using
lower greenhouse gase alternatives. But there isn't an alternative for
hydro insurance and the electricity system for a South Island drought.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
So you can only use coal.

Speaker 6 (01:24:22):
Now because of gas market shot.

Speaker 16 (01:24:24):
So unfortunately, that high price of carbon then flows through
to a price of turning on the coal plant, which
then flows through to everyone's power prices when there's no
alternative to enter into.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
So because we've got no because we're running out of gas,
we've only got coal, therefore charged coal lower. But if
we were charging so just tell me the difference between
between the two of them. What does coal get charged
at and what does gas get charged at?

Speaker 16 (01:24:47):
So, if you're making a decision to turn on the
coal power station, there a huntly one dollar a ton
of carbon equals a dollar per mega what are So
carbon's now priced at about sixty five dollars, so that
lifts the price at which you'd offer that power in
it huntly by sixty five dollars per megawatt hour, which
is a huge amount if you if you're running a
large gas fired power station, which is not many left now,

(01:25:09):
but that would be a third of that. So that
means about forty five dollars per megawatt hour is simply
the insurance cost of coal.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Now we don't use much coal in New Zealand.

Speaker 16 (01:25:19):
It's down to single digits thanks to go thermal and
now wind because it's pushed GFIM was a baseload and
it's just pushed the Huntly power station off the stack
from the two thousands, right, and so now what we
just need it for is South Island hydro insurance and
there is nothing else. No, you'd need three hundred and
fifty million power walls or something like that to be

(01:25:40):
able to do the hydro insurance in the South Island.
That's why coal is the only one.

Speaker 12 (01:25:44):
To do it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
So what would it bring our prices down by?

Speaker 16 (01:25:48):
Well, I don't know that all will have to flow
through the market. But I've been on both sides of this.
I've I've run Mercury, so I've sold made built power
stations and being involved with that, and I've been the
COO of Fonterra was the second or fourth largest user
of electricity and a whole bunch of other energy as well,
so I've been on both sides of the market my view,
and having looked at that spot electricity market and rainfall

(01:26:11):
patterns for twelve years when I was at Mercury, I
think it'd probably bring it down by tens of dollars
per mega. What are on that insurance cost which flows
through to the future's curve. Everything prices off the futures curve.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Right, If this is the kind of perverse effect that
the ETS is having, then should we not just get
rid of the ETS altogether?

Speaker 16 (01:26:33):
Well, I think the ETS has its has its own
origins in place. It's just what we've got at the
moment is an unfortunate intersection of the two. We didn't
used to have this because gas would be able to
come along and compete with coal, but now gas isn't
able to do that, so we've only got one one
thing that can do this, insurance, And so it's just

(01:26:53):
a perverse incentive that's come together by the ETES and
the spot electricity market and intersecting here. So if we
just look at the unique drivers of that, then I
think we can make it work and keep both markets intact.
If that's what politically people want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Listen. I'm sure you've been following this business, the rumors
around the Frontier Report, which apparently recommends that the government
nationalizes thermal generation. Would you do that?

Speaker 16 (01:27:18):
Yeah, I don't think that's needed. I think the discipline
I went right through six years before Mighty River Power
was listed and then where I was running operations and
sixties afterwards where I was chief executive, and I can
tell you the impact of being having the disciplines of
the capital markets on performance is and just doing good

(01:27:39):
business is phenomenal. So I think it still needs to
It can stay in private hands, but I do think
we need to make it a bit easier for thermal
plant like that to run. At the moment, you try
building a coal fired POWERstation, try getting a gas, getting
some more gas.

Speaker 15 (01:27:56):
Things like that.

Speaker 16 (01:27:57):
The RMA and the planning rules make it very hard.
So then what happens is you say, why isn't the
market working? Well, actually, I think it's the beehive because
you've taken away coal gas, You've made consenting renewables and
everything else extremely hard. And we're still saying, well, why
why is the market struggling to deal with the winter? Well,
actually it's because of the rules that sit around the market,
not the market.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Read tape strikes again. Hey, thank you Fraser, it's been
wonderful to talk to you. I really appreciate your time.
That's Fraser winter Row, former Mercury Energy chief executive form
of Finterror COO. And if you want to read the
piece that he wrote, it is up on the Herald.
You'll have to do a little bit of search. It
was there last week, so just go and have a
look at it. And he explains everything. And they're eighteen
away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Heather Doper Cee Allen here that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
There's absolutely no need for the ETS needs to be scrapped.
Of course it needs to be scrapped, doesn't it. I mean, like,
come on, if you're now starting to price coal at
the gap price of gas, and then you're given carve
outs to various industries, you're not including various sectors and
certain businesses are paying kind of discount where there's full
of holes, isn't it just get rid of the thing.
What's the point this is? Because this is what this

(01:28:58):
is the thing that you don't like, really, hands up?
Who wants to protect the climate more than warm up
your house? I just because that's the choice that it
has given us. Right, It's like, sorry, like there are
old people in this country now who do not turn
the heaters on because we are trying to, because we've
made it so expensive, because we're trying to fight the
climate change. I mean, I just think that our priorities

(01:29:19):
are completely out of whack. Anyway, remember what I told
you last week. You know what's happening tomorrow. The act
Party is announcing their position on the Paris Agreement that
I am here for that. I'm clearing my diary. I'm clear.
Was it what, beaty? What time is it at ten am? Oh,
don't even talk to me. It don't even phone me
at ten am. I'm going to be tuned into that.
I'm going to decline all the calls.

Speaker 12 (01:29:39):
This is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
I'm here for this because it's about time that we
start getting real about the climate. Now, just a quick
update on the Smeak thing, because yesterday was the last
day of the New World' Smeak. I know you've still
got the stickers in your drawer in the kitchen, haven't you,
And you forgot to claim them. Sorry it was yesterday,
but they didn't have anything anyway, But they didn't Wellington,
which is amazing. Thorndon Newell posted very early this morning

(01:30:03):
for some reason that they had the last of the
cast iron Braisers and the medium Bakers, so people had
to come in and redeem theirs now, so they posted
that first thing morning. By ten thirty, the cast Iron
Braisers had sold out. A reporter went there from Parliament
because you know, they don't have a lot to do
in recess, they just sit around. So the reporter headed
over there and said that the shoppers were lining up

(01:30:25):
behind the New World staff member as he was unpacking
a box of smeag products at the checkout, because that's
what you want with your life. Ah, when you pull
out a box and you start unpacking it and you
just want a line of people there standing and waiting
and watching you. Honestly, that must have been the pits
of his life. Right then. Almost every second customer at
the shop had one of the Smeg products apparently, and
it wasn't just the brazer that sold out, it was

(01:30:46):
also the large bakers and the Smeg many cock cots,
Pty got haa cock coots. Cock cots is something that
you do. It's Scott not a big cook. Not a
big baker, don't know what is. It's a thing quarter to.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Everything FROMMS to the big corporates.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
The Business Hour with Hither Dup c Ellen and MES
for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, News Talks ENV.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
When I was a kid, well when I was about
twenty years younger than I am right now, there was
a character in Wellington called Don McDonald, who is still
in Wellington, came up with a fascinating idea which I'm
going to run you through before the end of this program.
Thirteen away from seven and Gavin Gray UK correspondents with us. Hello, Gevin,
Hi there right, So what are these rules around migrants

(01:31:32):
that we're expecting now, Heather?

Speaker 13 (01:31:35):
It just seems, doesn't it. Every week the government is
coming out with a new announcement. They're definitely feeling the
upstart party of Reform UK breathing down their throats and
they're definitely beginning to sense that migration is going to
be a key topic whenever the next general election comes.
So today the government is going to announce that they
are going to tighten the criteria for family members to

(01:32:00):
join any migrant granted asylum. This is something incidentally, which
Reform UK has been talking about for some time that
the that the details are just two lacks, so it's
quite likely that they're going to toughen up those criteria,
including tougher English language standards and access to sufficient funds
and also outline reform.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Given. Are you with us?

Speaker 8 (01:32:26):
You are reasons?

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Carry on?

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
Just that's right.

Speaker 12 (01:32:31):
So sometimes these reform.

Speaker 13 (01:32:37):
Simples to the asylum application decisions are pretty odd.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
And I'm sorry to do this, but your line is
so dodgy, and do you want to see if you
can fix this quickly for us? Just there's some There
was definitely the robots getting involved, there wasn't it, hey
quickly while he's while we're just trying to fix that
up really quickly. What about this one? There's a chap
in Australia album specifically who was looking for his misplaced

(01:33:02):
passport at home. He found his passport eventually, but who
also found a whole bunch of lotto tickets when he
found his passport. So he took them down, as you
always should do when you find a whole bunch of
lotter tickets, got them all scanned. One of them was
worth Australia one million dollars. Bought it for drawl draw
in December twenty seven last year. Two hundred and forty

(01:33:23):
four days later he cashed it in one million bucks.
Find your ticket, go and scan it. Gaven to you
with us again.

Speaker 13 (01:33:30):
I am indeed, I hope that's better having oh so
much better.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Thank you for doing that, Kevin. Listen, So what happened
with Queen Camilla?

Speaker 13 (01:33:37):
Yeah, so we now are being told, according to a
new role book that's come out, not being denied incidentally
by any of the Riyals, that Queen Camilla was the
victim of an attempted indecent assault as a teenager. She
fought off her attacker using the heel of her shoe.
It's being reported now this was when the Queen was
sixteen or seventeen years old, and it happened on a

(01:33:58):
train in the way to pay Addington station in the
west of London. The man is reported to have been
touching the teenager and then then as Camilla shanned when
she simply took her shoe off and hit it with him.
We have never had this confirm from her, and it
said that she doesn't want to make a big thing
of it because she doesn't want a tract from some
of the work that she does around domestic violence, and

(01:34:20):
you know, saying that she wasn't really a victim sort
of thing. But yeah, first time we'd ever heard this
story come out. It's reported that she first told Boris
Johnson when he was Mayor of London about it. It's
sort of kept quiet and then it's sort of surfaced
in this new book.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
But what I mean this seems to me the kind
of thing that this humanizes a royal and it also
you know, empowers women, So why would they keep it secret?

Speaker 13 (01:34:42):
Yeah, I just think it's that thing about this isn't
about me. It's not about my personal past because I'm
very privileged. It's about other people. And she feels very
strongly about the support being needed for domestic violence victims.
And I suppose by talking about this herself, You're right,
it's a double edged sword. What people think, Oh, she's
always on about herself, poor Camello. You know, we'll hardly
poor Camello and others will think, well, yeah, there we go.

(01:35:05):
It just goes to show that she's been attacked as well,
and certainly I think they will help the royal family
will hope that this kind of story does actually destigmatize
past help for too many young girls suffering things that
they did a few years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Yeah, a very good point that you make, Gevin. Thank you,
thank you for that and thanks for coming back on
the line for us. It's Kevin Grauer, UK correspondent. Hither
I would choose not to heat my house if it
made a meaningful difference to climate change, but it doesn't.
So the heating is on. Good from you. Eight away
from seven it's the hitherto.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Here the Paris Agreement is a big con and away
of poorer countries to fraudulently get money from so called
richer countries. Trump. Trump was right to get out of it,
Trevor Now. I don't have a lot to say about
Trevor's text other than Trump was right to get out
of it, and hopefully we do the same thing now.
Don McDonald. Donald McDonald is a bit of a character
in Wellington. When I was growing up there. Well, when

(01:36:06):
I was growing what am I talking about? I was
in my twenties, I was working for TV and said
I was on Telly. I wasn't growing up when I
was working for TV and Z and Wellington, Donald would
invariably call after six o'clock to tell us what he
thought about the bulletin, and it was always an interesting conversation.
Donald is running for mayor for the third time and
he's come up with an interesting idea that he has

(01:36:28):
pitched out there. So what he wants is that every month.
I mean, this is big stuff. Donal Donald is expanding
the remit of the Wellington mayor here. He would like
every month, he would like to rewrite our calendar. He
would like every month of the year to have five weeks,
and then he would like to get rid of Thursdays
so that every week we'll only have six days. Now

(01:36:48):
there will be a reason for this mathematically that Donna
has worked out that six days five days a week,
because then you get thirty day months, right, so you
see what it is, and then every month is thirty days.
It's like a lot more ordered because he doesn't like
disorder anyway. They've gone to Diane Calvert, who's also running
for me, and asked you and she was like, yeah,
I'm down with that because thursdays of the day that
the council meets, so I'm happy to get rid of it,

(01:37:09):
which I thought was good call from her. However, because
I'm not on Wellington Council, if I had to get
rid of a day of the week, it would be
a Wednesday, wouldn't it, because that's hump Day and everybody
hates it, don't they ants?

Speaker 15 (01:37:20):
Monday? Absolutely, Monday would go.

Speaker 6 (01:37:22):
It would go.

Speaker 15 (01:37:23):
I would not even miss it. I think the first
day back after the weekend always sucks, and Monday's the
first day back after the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
I still have to come back on a Tuesday.

Speaker 15 (01:37:29):
It was still still yeah, I know, but at least
it wouldn't be Monday. You know, at least you're still
like three days close to the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
I just think it makes it easier. What have you got?

Speaker 15 (01:37:39):
Night e by the Mutton Birds to play us out tonight.
As we found out from the Associate Finance Minister Chris
Bishop today, this is his favorite song by Don McGlashan.
Don't know how Don McGlashan will feel about that, given
that Don McGlashan had to interrupt Chris Busship when Chris
Biship was talking loudly during the stan Walker performance.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
But there you go, Okay, let's see if it's a banger.

Speaker 12 (01:37:57):
Go on, pumped up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Yeah, I think he's a banger.

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
What do you think?

Speaker 15 (01:38:19):
He said his main thing was guitar, stras he loves guitar,
and then basic drums and basic right, and those drums.

Speaker 8 (01:38:26):
Just then were brilliant, So yeah, absolutely, I think he's right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
It is actually very veryiant, So I like it all right,
See you tomorrow, enjoy the Musties.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
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