Full Show Podcast: 02 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather duperic on Drive with One New
Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Do we have a ceasefire
deal in Gaza? We're going to speak to Stephen Hoadley,
international relations expert. Why did the handgloers get to unplead
their guilty charge? They're guilty. Please, We're going to speak
to a lawyer to explain. And also apparently there's a
drop off and kids going over on sleepovers. His parents
are too worried about it, so we'll get you across that.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Heather dupericylis right.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
This debate about Anamobra and Ali Williams's helicopter has just
got really, really silly. In the last day. There is
now a push for Auckland Council to ban private choppers
in residential areas altogether when they next review the unitary
plan for Auckland City, and at least two counselors now
back that, and one of the counselors backing it is
the counselor whose ward covers the Mobra property. Now I'm sorry,

(00:59):
but howicopters are a legitimate form of travel for people
who can afford them. They are fast, they avoid traffic jams.
And if that is what the Mobra Williams family want
to want to use to make their lives easier so
they can get from A to B as quickly as possible,
all power to them they can afford it. I feel
sorry for the neighbors I do. I have empathy. I

(01:20):
wouldn't want to live next to a property with a
chopper that was landing consistently, But nor would I want
to live next to a property where the neighbor has
a noisy motorbike. And yet we're not banning noisy motorbikes,
are we. Some noisy motorbikes, by the way, are as
noisy as choppers. They can hit one hundred and sixteen decibels,
which is pretty much exactly the same as the one
hundred and eighteen decibels that you can get if you're

(01:40):
standing right next to a chopper landing. And there is
no ban on those noisy motorbikes as there there's no
council limit on how many times your neighbor can use
one of them. There's no council saying, oh, you could
use it ten times a month, but that's it no
more So why are we doing the same with a chopper?
Can't I can't help but feel that some of this
anti chopper sentiment is coming from an anti rich person place,

(02:01):
and we need to get over that because we are
lucky actually that the mobrays have chosen to live in
New Zealand. These people are gangster rich, right, they can
live anywhere in the world, and yet they're living here
in New Zealand. They're living in Auckland. They're providing work
for the people who work in their household. They are
paying their mega dollar taxes into our country. They are
pumping money into this economy. Let's not make it harder

(02:22):
for people like that. Let's not make it easier for
people like that to leave this country by getting weird
about helicopters.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Heather Duper is the al.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Welcome to WAYN nine two nine two is the text number.
Standard text fees apply now on jury trials. There is
a call for us to end jury trials for cases
of sexual violence. One of the voices leading this is
the government's chief victim's advisor, Ruth Money Hey, Ruth good Afternoon,
why do you want to get rid of them?

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Well, I think we can do better. I think we
can have a safer, more accurate kind of fact finding.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, process, Is that what the problem is? Fact finding?
Because isn't that that's not really the jury's job and
doesn't even really involve the jury, does it? That kind
of thing happens before a trial?

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Well, I think no, I think the jury and judge,
depending on whether it's judge alone or jury, but we'll
get to that. I am sure their job is to
consider the evidence, but when you come into that room
with bias, with new kind of not understanding nuances of
sexual assaults, victim blaming, you can end up with a

(03:35):
skew on the evidence and therefore you don't find the facts.
There have been some really perverse outcomes with jury based
trials in the space, and I am asking the government
to look at an alternative that is safer for everybody.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
What's give me an example of a perverse outcome?

Speaker 5 (03:56):
Well, I think the problem with a lot of the
jury decisions that you don't get a reason for the decision.
So what I am trying to undo, I guess is
the ability to understand was the decision based in fact,
and therefore an appeal would or wouldn't proceed because at

(04:18):
the moment, a jury will just say you're guilty or
you're not guilty. Now, if they're not guilty, the victim
doesn't understand why not there are no reasons, whereas the
Law Commission and other jurisdictions have said what we could
do and what we do do in other jurisdictions is
there are reasons given for a judge and expert panel's

(04:41):
decision which can then be appealed or not, whether they
have actually considered the law and the evidence appropriately, Whereas
at the moment we don't have that. We have no
way to unpack what the reason for the decision was.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
I think it's not obvious. I mean, I've sat through
so many of these kinds of court cases as a reporter,
and it has been often quite obvious why the jury
has reached the conclusion they have.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
Sometimes it is really obvious, and other times it's absolutely
not obvious at all, you know, and you end up
with people, you know. I've had survivors saying to me, look,
I was slammed around that courtroom like a tennis ball.
I was rapemisthed I was shamed, I was blamed, and

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then we still get a guilty We still get a
guilty verdict. But what we're trying to do is make
this process safer for both victims and defendants, so that
the system is more we just have more confidence around
interpersonal crimes within the justice system.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Do you accept the argument that a jury is necessary
because a jury is a reflection of the moral position
of society at the time.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
I do accept that that is a accurate position of
a jury, but I also challenge that at the moment,
juries are not juries of your peers. And it is
becoming you know, I go into court and have spent
years into court every week and I watch what's happening
with our jury Paul in New Zealand, and people will

(06:24):
do whatever they can to get out of sitting on
a jury. And all of a sudden, we don't have
a jury of our peers. We don't have a true
reflection of society sitting on many of our juries. Now,
and then when you combine that with people's biases when
it comes to victim blaming, when it comes to coercive control,

(06:47):
and the fact that you really do need to be
an expert a lot of the time to understand those nuances.
I fear that there are wrong decisions being made within
these interpersonal tries.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Ruth, thank you very much. I really appreciate your time.
Ruth Money, Government chief Victim's adviser. We'll come back to
this a little bit later in the program. I don't
think we're done talking about this. I just quickly on
the ceasefire deal. Now. Apparently, according to Trump, Israel has
agreed to a sixty day ceasefire in Gaza. He said
this on social media. He says the Kataris and the
Egyptians have managed to strike the steal. They just need

(07:22):
Hamas to agree, and he says, I quote, I hope
that Hamas takes the steal because it will not get
better in caps, it will only get worse. Now worth
noting that Israel hasn't said anything, hasn't confirmed this yet,
but it is the same as straight from the previous playbook,
which was the Iran Israel cease fire. He announced It

(07:42):
first took them ages to finally agree, but they eventually
agreed quarter pass.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
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Speaker 3 (07:56):
Hither We had a helicopter a couple of streets away
from us in Takapuna a few years ago. And it's
not like they're going around and round all day. You
would normally leave in the morning, come back early evening.
You could hear it coming and then they just land
and then it's all quiet again. Lee, thank you very much.
Eighteen pasted four Elliott Smith's sports talk hosters with us
he Elliott afternoon, Heather has Justin Marshall got a point?

Speaker 7 (08:15):
Well, I think let's have a listen first and foremost,
and then we can decide as to whether Justin's got
a point.

Speaker 8 (08:20):
You know, at the end of the day, there's forty
nine percent of the players have got no caps at all,
so it's a development team with a few senior players involved.
It's honestly, in my mind it's completely yes, you know,
the way that they're treating this tour.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
And there's been a bit of frustration hither around the
fact that the French have sent out very much a
B team. Now the French rug Be is pretty much
controlled by the top fourteen. All those clubs owned by powerful,
rich owners dictate whether these players can be released or not.
In theory they have to be because it's a global window,
but we know that theory doesn't really necessarily needs to
doesn't necessarily translate to the rugby field, and they've left

(08:57):
all these players at home. I think he does have
a point, and the All Blacks are now in sort
of a no win position. You know, the French have
sent over a very much a B team, so the
All Blacks are expected to win and win well. If
they do well, everyone expects them to do so. If
they don't, then you know they've been troubled by a
French B team and all sorts of questions yet asked.
So I don't think it's good for Test rugby. I
don't think it's a very good precedent for Test rugby

(09:19):
to be set that basically, the French have thumb their
nose to coming down to New Zealand and are setting
their own rules and now the All Blacks basically have
to cop it. New Zealand Rugby has to try and
sell tickets for this series. You know, probably would have
been a bit better if they didn't give them twelve
months notice that they weren't going to send their top
players as well, because I've none for a long time
that this is going to happen, and now it's on
a doorstep. We know that this all black side is

(09:41):
going to face basically a team of no names come
this weekend.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Elliott is should we I mean tell me that I'm
jumping getting way too excited here. But is it possible
that rugby's headed in the same direction as cricket where
actually the competitions are far more important now than the
national game.

Speaker 7 (09:59):
Quite possibly actually so in France because they've still got
the money that dictates things. We've seen in England, you know,
clubs have fallen over in the last few years through
the financial difficulties. Super rugby has had very much the same.
So in this part of the world, and I'd say
in England as well and the United Kingdom. You know,
international remains king But in France they've got such a
strong domestic competition. And it's not forget that that they've

(10:21):
got a very very strong domestic competition, probably the best
in the world, the top fourteen, that they can dictate things.
They're owned by millionaires, if not billionaires, a lot of
these teams and they can thumbdery nose it. The rest
of the international game because their domestic game is so strong.
I don't see that spreading across the rest of the
world as yet, but it is something that rugby needs
to be on guard for because cricket, basically international cricket

(10:42):
is by and large being destroyed over the last five
to ten years.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Very interesting. Hey, so what's going on with Wimbledon? Is
it the heat taking out the big guns?

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Well it might be.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
We talked a bit about that heat policy yesterday. A
shocking day of shocking couple of days for the top seeds.
Eight top ten players across the men's and women's draws
are gone. That's in the first round. That's the most
in the Open era thirteen and the men's ten and
the women's have gone. Alexander vere have gone. In the
men's Coca gone, and the women's. Jessica Bagila the third
seed gone and the women's as well. It's almost like

(11:12):
not having a seed next to your name has been
quite good. So that's good news for Cameron Nora of
course x Q we now representing Great Britain. He's through
to the second round. Nov K Djokovic looked like he
might be faltering a little bit this morning after losing
the third city he managed to get through in four.
So as long as youre going to have that little
number next to your name here, that you're probably doing
all right at Wimbledon. But having said that, the men's

(11:33):
top one two seeds are both through to the second
round and probably on a collision course for the title
in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Store, are you I haven't seen you all week and
you know.

Speaker 9 (11:42):
To Test City?

Speaker 10 (11:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (11:45):
Yeah, rocking up.

Speaker 11 (11:46):
It's a bit chilly down here, but looking forward to
the test match?

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah is it? Have you remember how last time we
sent you out of Auckland you had to go buy
a jacket because you hadn't packed properly. Have you had
to do that this time?

Speaker 4 (11:55):
No?

Speaker 7 (11:55):
I packed properly this time.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Here it was two degrees this morning and on the
p you said.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
Well, that's not a company credit card, it's not spread that.
But it has been chilly, and you know, I'm a
South Island of them. I'm tough at heart, and I've
just got used to these conditions again.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, good, Okay, we won't tell anybody that you bought
that jacket on the company credit card. I appreciate you're
helping this discretion Yeah, that's what the word is. Thank you, Elliot,
look after yourself for talk to you tomorrow. Elliott Smith,
sports talk host already in Donner's This is how excited
he is about the game big hack of Quantus customer data.
By the way, if you're a Quantus customer, obviously it

(12:33):
affects six million customers. Fortunately, if you just fly the
cheap oh here the Jetstar, no worries. It's just the
flash guys who fly Quantus names, email addresses. But by
the way, this was a theft. It wasn't just a
whoops we leaked this one out. Somebody actually went in
there and licked it. I don't know why you'd bother
to Nick Airline. Do you know why you bother to
Nick Airline data? If you were going to Nick data,
wouldn't you nick something real juicy like an only fans

(12:57):
customer base? Do you know what I mean? You know
who's watching the pawn or I don't know, some juicy
stuff from Health New Zealand see what people have been
getting checked up? You know like that that kind of
stuff is fascinating and not this names, email addresses, phone numbers,
birth dates, frequent flyer numbers, not credit card details, not

(13:19):
personal financial information, and not passport details. Best you could do,
I suppose as impersonate, and that's probably quite lucrative. So
watch out for twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Moving the big stories of the day forward, when it's
Heather Dupers and Drive with one New Zealand, let's get
connected the news talks.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
That'd be Heather.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Ali Williams's best friend is Richie McCaw. So I expect
Ali wants Richie to fly his helicopter to his place.
No way, Donna, No. I asked Allie. Allie was in
here and I said to Alie, what do you want
to do with the chopper? He said, I've got five kids.
I said, yeah, you definitely need a chopper.

Speaker 11 (13:52):
Are they going to fly the chopper?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah? Well, I mean it's a good life skill, don't
you think ants.

Speaker 11 (13:56):
I do like the idea that Richie McCaw is just
so like so tie on his hands, that Ellie just
calls him. He's like, hey, do you mimight flying me
to the Coromanda.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
He's like sure, has he imagine he moved to Wanaka,
So now he's flying all the way out from Wanaica
to pick up Ouri to take Ali shopping.

Speaker 11 (14:09):
He's like Ellie's uber driver.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
So yeah, I don't think so. I think he's got
better things to do with someme thing you bang on. Anyway,
Now I asked Allie, I said, what do you want
to do with it? Five kids? I said, yeah, I'd
probably need a chopper if I had five kids. And
then I said to him you got a batch and
he was like yeah, And I said, oh, you're going
to take the take the chopper to the batch? Yeah?
So I worked it out. So so I'm weirdly fascinated
by this. Now you could he could drive to his batch,

(14:31):
I reckon it would take him three and a half hours.
Or he could fly the chopper to his batch and
would take thirty seven minutes. Now that's a no brainer.
That's a no brainer. If you could afford a chopper,
you would have a chopper, wouldn't you, So you could
go to the batch that much faster. I settle the
case on their behalf. Anyway, Listen, do you want to
know shall I? Shall I deal with this?

Speaker 12 (14:49):
Now? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:49):
I might as well? Do you want to know what
the Greens think of all the shoplifting fines that we're announced?
He's three he's Timothable, and.

Speaker 13 (14:56):
We think that criminalizing people who have to resort stealing
to feed themselves is fundamentally wrong.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Because apparently the only reason that people shoplifter is because
they can't eat, right.

Speaker 13 (15:09):
Do you know how stupid and cruel it is to
instantly find people for shoplifting who are not going to
be able to pay that fine because they already can't
afford to feed themselves.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
We'll hang on a tick, though, because I don't Goleris
could feed herself, and Goleris could pay the fine, couldn't she.
So it's not just people who who can't feed themselves,
she says. Anyway, she finds are not going to stop shoplifting.
But you know what will.

Speaker 13 (15:34):
When it comes to things like shoplifting, You know what
will is actually making sure that people have enough money
to buy food to put on the table.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, but we gave Goleris one hundred and sixty three
one thousand dollars a year, and that didn't change anything.
So anyway, it's been a tough week for Tan because
there's been a lot of law and order announcements and
she doesn't like putting people in jail, so she's had
a week of it, hasn't she headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Next, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
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Speaker 2 (16:17):
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Speaker 14 (16:21):
There's a party downtown here Fair Street.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Everybody had bide.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
We're going to go to politics shortly listen, just a
quick updates on what's going on in Victoria. You know,
we discussed this yesterday with Murray Olds. They're dealing with
that childcare worker facing the sexual crime charges. They've now
announced in Victoria that they're going to create a register
of childcare workers as soon as possible, and they are
also going to ban all personal devices like phones from
childcare centers and that's going to kick in in a

(16:49):
couple of months time. So basically, yeah, I think you
can join the dots there. We'll see how that goes.
Twenty three away from five, it's.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
The World Wires on news talks. They'd be drive now.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
As we've been discussed, Israel has agreed to a sixty
day seaspir in Gaza, or at least Trump says they have.
We're now waiting to find out whether a Hamas will
agree to it too. In the meantime, things is still
pretty grim for the people living there.

Speaker 15 (17:10):
I have two young daughters who are always hungry. I
must bring them some food to eat and some water
to drink. I didn't have money to buy food and tapers,
so I was forced to face death to get some
humanitarian to eat. Nothing is easy in our life in Gaza.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Donald Trump's One Big Beautiful Bill Act has only just
got through the Senate. It now has to get through
the House. It's also got to raise the thin support there.
Elon hates it, so he's had another rent on social
media about it, and that set Trump off.

Speaker 10 (17:35):
He might have to put doze Elans.

Speaker 12 (17:37):
You know you're not doj Doja is a monster that
has that might have to go back and eat Elon.

Speaker 7 (17:44):
Willn't that be fair.

Speaker 12 (17:44):
About He gets a lot of subsidies Petter.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
And finally some more Trump for you.

Speaker 16 (17:50):
Rich people from Beverly Hills generally speaking, don't smell so.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Good, so as a result, he wants to fix of
these release his own fragrance. It's called Trump Victory forty
five forty seven, and you can get it for men
off women forty five and forty seven. Obviously the number
of president is the forty fifth and the forty seventh.
A ninety seven mill bottle will cost you four hundred
and ten New Zealand dollars and it comes to the

(18:16):
golden statue of the President on the lid.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Well, you buy one of those, you're not going to
have any money left for the troper. Charles Feldman, US
Correspondence with US Now hallo, Charles Hell. Okay, how do
you rate the chances of it getting through the House.

Speaker 17 (18:36):
Well, you know, there are a lot of Republicans, not
just Democrats in the House who are objecting to the
version that the Senate just passed and kind of squeaked
by the Senate, and so some of them are saying
that they are not going to support the bill in
its current form. But you know, time and time again,

(18:57):
you know, Donald Trump has proven to be a powerful
political force, and you know, through threats and however else
he manages to corral people in his own party, he
does manage to more often than not get his way.
So if I had to bet there will be something

(19:17):
something that the House will pass, whether or not it's
going to have any significant changes that we are going
to find out in the next probably twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Is I mean, it feels to me like he has
possibly met his match and Elon and both of them
are issuing threats about this. Which of them do you
think is going to win?

Speaker 17 (19:37):
Well, of course one of them. Donald Trump is president
of the United States, so you have to sort of
put one point in his corner in terms of a
power play. Elon Musk, while the richest man reputedly anyway
in the world, certainly has power. You know, he's not president,
but he has said Musk that any you know, representative

(20:02):
congress person senator who votes for this bill, which he
thinks is abhorrent, he will not rest until he throws
his considerable money into political challenges to their seats. So
I don't know, it comes down to who are you
more afraid of, if you're a representative in Congress, President.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Trump or a bit more afraid of Elon? Wouldn't you
because money absolutely talks, whereas Trump is sort of he
could change his mind. Could you could go against him
this time still win him over but masks Musk's money
actually is going to make a massive impact.

Speaker 17 (20:37):
Well, it will, and you're right, money has an enormous impact,
especially on US politics. But you have to keep in
mind that the Trump and the MAGA movement, and I'm
using that word specifically movement. You know, it's very hard
for his base to go against him. And if that

(20:58):
base thinks that they should or the representatives should vote
for this bill, it's going to be hard for representatives
to go against the president. But having said that, Heather,
this bill is extremely unpopular. Poll after poll after poll
is showing that the majority of Americans, across all demographic groups,

(21:20):
across all parts of the United States.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Don't like it.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, very interesting. Now what's going on with p Diddy?

Speaker 17 (21:28):
Well, you know, the trial is ongoing, the jury indicating
earlier today that it had reached a verdict on some
of the charges against him. Of course we don't know
what the verdict is, but they were not able to
reach a vertict on actually what is the most significant charge,
which is a racketeering charge, and it carries the most

(21:51):
sizable prison term if convicted on it. They sent notes
out to the judge saying that there are members of
the panel that you know won't change their mind, and
judges do have a certain degree of power to insist
that jurors go back into the deliberation room until they
reach a verdict. But at the end of the day,

(22:14):
there does come a time when if they cannot reach
a verdict on that particular charge, then they would have
a hung jury on that one charge.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Can we assume that if they have reached a unanimous
agreement on some of those charges that it would be guilty.

Speaker 17 (22:31):
Well, I'm reluctant. I've covered so many court cases over
the years. I learned a long time ago never to
try to guess what a jury is going to do
or not do, since I wasn't in the courtroom and
I wasn't tibute to the presentation of evidence, So I'm
going to pass on predicting how the jury is going

(22:52):
to vote. I've seen durors come back quickly with a
guilty verdict, I've seen them come back quickly with a
not guilty verdict, and you know every variation thereof, So
it's really it's just impossible.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Charles, Thanks appreciated. Charles Feldman, US correspondent in Australia. The
Foreign Minister Penny Wong is in Washington at the moment.
She's in a meeting. She had a meeting this afternoon
with Marco Ruby. It didn't come out of it very
long ago. Clearly has got no guarantee that the Trump
administration is going to continue with the orcust Defense Pact
with Australia, because she was asked quite directly where the

(23:27):
Rubio had guaranteed the agreement would go ahead, and she
would not answer that question directly. She said, I think
we both understand the importance to both our countries and
the UK. So I would say, if you're a fan
of Aucus, maybe you should start accepting that or preparing
yourself for that. And if you don't love UCUS well
like the Labor Party, maybe there's some hope there. Seventeen

(23:48):
Away from.

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Speaker 3 (23:52):
Certady Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors, with me right now. Hello, Thomas, So,
I want to talk to you about what happened this
morning on Nick Mills' show, This is Wellington Mornings. Chris
Chris Hopkins was talking about ram raids. Things took quite
a turn.

Speaker 10 (24:05):
I could be asking there we don't ever hear of
ram raids anymore? Is that because of the system that
you put in place, or is it since the coalition's
come in.

Speaker 18 (24:13):
Now it's because your Tory owners that Ends ed me
have just decided not to put it on the front
page anymore. It's still happening. It's just Ends and Me
have decided that it's not in the government's best interests.
And they do the National parties singing for them, so
they are they're not covering it as much anymore.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Oh gosh, that's a bit tough to go. Do you
think that that.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Is he saying that with a straight face.

Speaker 9 (24:33):
Well, fortunately with radio you can't really tell. But I'm
honestly it's look, obviously, I'm deeply conflicted here being someone
who works for the company that puts together that front page.
But I did pull together some stats on those ram raids.
So in twenty twenty two we were having about fifty

(24:54):
nine ram raids a month. So twenty thirty two, the
last year of full year of the Labor government, seven
hundred and fourteen ram raids that year. Now we've had
forty five ram raids total. This year, about nine ram
raids a month for each month that we have data.
So so the reason I don't put together the front page

(25:14):
and and so I don't know what what how it's
put together, but I would imagine the reason why there
aren't so many ram raids on the front page is
that there are just far througher ram raids. And you know,
the government's not perfect. But one area you would.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Say that to defend you, yes, we're.

Speaker 9 (25:31):
Also I mean, we're a publicly traded company, so that
so many people own stocks and are ender to me.
And I'm sure some of them are Tories and some
of them are not Tories. It's it is part of
being a listed company.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
So is this chippy just kind of you know, just
just riffing or is this part of strategy.

Speaker 9 (25:48):
Well, it's I mean, it's interesting. It's interesting that he
leaned into this thing because that time IPSOS Issues monitor
that came out a few months ago. Labor is ahead
of the government on most issues that are affecting voters,
cost of living, even inflation, housing areas where labor traditionally
does not lead national. One area where labor is behind

(26:10):
national still is on law and order. So it is
maybe he's looking for an excuse to explain why Labor's
behind national and law and order. The government is obviously
making a big virtue of law and order this week,
but look of what you know. You can't crime statistics
are a mercurial thing, but it is difficult to fudge
these numbers. The RAM raids. To be fear to the government,

(26:32):
they've had a massive success in bringing those down. And
to be fear to Labor, ram raids dropped by it
was seven hundred and fourteen and twenty two and they
dropped to four hundred and ninety five and twenty three,
so that they did start coming down under Labor too.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
But what about what about blaming the media? Because this,
I think is a fascinating thing, right, this has been
going on. Parties across the spectrum have been doing it.
Just Cinda pulled out of the interviews with Mike. You've
had New Zealand first deliberately deliberately trying to bait our
n Z into arguments. You've had Act refusing to go
on Morning Report. You've had now the Labor Party have

(27:07):
a crack at the end, Z meet like it feels
to me like it suits. You're certainly seeing enough of it.
For me to think that it could potentially be a
strategy to have a crack at at whichever media organization
you feel as your enemy.

Speaker 9 (27:18):
I certainly agree to me, it always feels like like
blaming the ref. And now, obviously you know reefs do
get things wrong, for media gets things wrong, but everyone
knows that it's usually not the ref that causes the
game to go one way or the other. A good
team will prevail in more games than not because of

(27:41):
their performance rather than the ref. And I think it's
the same in politics. You know that the media will
get things right sometimes. I'll get things wrong sometimes, But
if you've got the solutions, then you'll be able to
have said.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
That provide Thomas, I mean, you and I both work
in this industry, in the sector, right we understand that
we are gatekeepers and that there is a fair amount
of blame to be laid at the feet of people
who are choosing the news angles, choosing the subjects, deciding
deciding how to write the thing, choosing what words to use.

Speaker 9 (28:09):
Right, absolutely, and like I'm not you know that with
with this, I think it's fair to point out that
I just think that the data doesn't really better for
what Chris's saying, but you know, I back all politicians
publicly grumbling about about things, specific things that they don't
they don't like. I think it's you know, the media

(28:30):
does have a powerful role to play in society, and
politicians of every right if they don't think that something's
been handled appropriately to call it out.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
You make a fair point. It's just Chippy has chosen
a bad example because actually he just his government just
let the rand raids happen, didn't they? Yes, okay, listen,
talk me through this business with New Zealand First and
the flags. Okay they want to They've got as a
private member's bill where it would only allow the New
Zealand flag to be flown on government buildings. Why what's going.

Speaker 9 (28:54):
Would I tried to get in touch with the New
Zealand First before coming on the show. They didn't return
my call. The the the issue they have is that
the pud me that the legislation, it's Andy Foster's Members Bill,
would ban symbols and flags of politically motivated ideology and
division from being displayed on government buildings. And the words
of Winston Peters. One of the issues that the party

(29:15):
has had and passed has been the display of the
Pride flag, the transgender flag outside parliament. You know that
the big line of flagpoles outside Parliament. They display a
number of flags depending you know, it's sort of whatever
particular week or issue it is, you know, the Pride
month and then there's you know, other months. You know
what it's like. The Parliament tends to display those flags.

(29:37):
New Zealand First has raised issues with that in the past.
This would basically ban that would also bean bean non
national flags from local authority buildings and state schools only
the official flag of New Zealand. So's it seems like
a little bit of of an overreaction if you ask me.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
But whether they are a nationalistic party and this is
this is you know.

Speaker 9 (29:57):
Expire, I think you'd want to you'd want to allow
you know, local government should be able to display you know,
the absolutely positively willing to flag.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
No. No, it's sadly I thote in favor of taking
more decisions away from local government, absolutely not giving them
any more. Thomas, you are such a soft touch. Thank
you man, I really appreciate it. Thomas Coglan, The Herald's
Political edit. Thomas is that kind of dad who just
lets the kids do everything. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 10 (30:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (30:23):
No to the children at local government level? Eight away
from five.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 14 (30:31):
Well Goldsmith is the Justice Minister and as well as
what tangibly do you expect to happen as a result
of all the announcements you've made this week? Well, our
primary goal in the justice space is to reduce the
number of victims of crime.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
That's what we're focused on. The good users that we're
making progress on.

Speaker 14 (30:45):
That a whole bunch of things which is all designed
to push back against this weird idea that it's okay
just to walk out without paying for stuff and everybody
else's find thing. Do you honestly expect a person who
nicks a side of beef and a doesn't be to
pay a.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Fine, Well, I expect them to be given a fine.

Speaker 8 (31:01):
Now, if you're saying, well, some people don't pay their fines,
that's true and that's another challenge.

Speaker 14 (31:06):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic hosking Breakfast with
a VDA News Talk z.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
B Hither the reef has been bribed by the Public
Interest Journalism Fund Look that's a fair point. Actually, the
media have unfortunately allowed themselves to be politicized in that respect.
Hither if enzid me is Torri, how do you explain
Simon Wilson exactly. Yeah, that's quite I'm going to use that.
That's going to be my go to argument all the

(31:30):
time and be like, no, we're not Tory owned. Look
at Simon anyway, Listen, we need to talk about Oh jeez,
I've got so much to talk to you about. I
really want to talk about birthcare. If you haven't been
to birthcare. Birthcare is like an old school maternity wards
type thing in Auckland. Wonderful, but that seems to me
some people want to shut it down. We'll talk about
that shortly. Also need to talk about sleepovers now. Apparently

(31:52):
there is a massive decrease in the number of parents
allowing the kiddies to go to sleepovers. Yeah, the eighties
and nineties is free for all, but nowadays parents aren't
doing it because a little bit worried about what happens
at the other person's house, Like it might be devices,
too much device use, could be that they're not entirely
sure the kiddies are safe. If you know what I mean.
So we're going to talk about this with an expert,

(32:12):
a parenting expert. Actually, who's gonna you know, what should
you be worried about? And so on. She's with us
after half past five. Do you remember those passenger those
restore rail passenger hand gluing freaks. Do you remember them,
the ones who had disrupted the traffic in Wellington? Well,
guess what, all of their charges have disappeared. Bunch of them,
about six of them actually pleaded guilty, turned up to

(32:33):
court yesterday to hear what when they're going to set
a sentencing date and already pleaded guilty, turned up for
the sentencing date, and then we're like, h actually, can
we change our minds? Not guilty? And I'd just like, oh,
you're cool, what did you Oh you said you did
it before, but now you're saying you didn't do it. Okay, cool, Bye, Okay,
that's fine, and that how does that work? Anyway? To

(32:54):
talk to a lawyer to figure that one out shortly?
Because that's that's quite bizarre. I'd love to be able
to change my mind about everything like that if I possibly.
Next up, though, let's get an update on what's going
on with that ceasefire and Gaza news talks that'd be.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Digging through the Smiths to find the real story. Oring
it's hither dupasy on drive with one New Zealand, let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
That'd be afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Donald Trump says Israel has agreed to a sixty day
cease fire deal in Gaza and has warned Hamas to
take this deal as well because it will only get worse.
Israel and Hamasa yet to confirm this publicly. International relations
experts Stephen Hodley is back of this high Stephen.

Speaker 12 (33:47):
Heather, nice to be talking to you again.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
It's lovely to talk to you again. Do you think
that he is forcing them into a sea spire by
doing this?

Speaker 12 (33:54):
Absolutely? Donald Trump pots to put himself in the middle
of it, take credit for the whole thing. It's bizarre.
If you go onto the internet, you find Trump says everything.
I've seen nothing from Netanhu yet or from Hamas spokespeople.
So this is very much a performative initiative by Trump himself.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Well, it worked because it worked. This isn't how he
planned it out with Iran and Israel, didn't he And
it actually worked.

Speaker 12 (34:21):
Well, I'm not so sure, because the major issues still remain.
Hamas want Israel out of Gaza, and Israel is not
inclined to leave Gaza until Hamas is disarmed and all
the hostages are returned. So the fundamental clash between the
two is still there no matter what Trump says.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
So how could it possibly work, Stephen.

Speaker 12 (34:45):
Well, it catz. We're talking about two incompatible demands between
Humas that wants to survive, keep the hostages, keep control
of the Gaza population, and Israel that wants the opposite.
So I predict that whatever Trump says, the conflict will
continue and he will have to agencies will have to

(35:08):
do their best to help the innocent victims.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Well, the I mean, in the scenario that you're describing,
this conflict just goes on until one or other side
is wiped out.

Speaker 12 (35:18):
It's much different to the Israeli Iran conflict. We're not
talking about two governments. We're talking about a government and
a militia, and the way they operate is totally different.
The Israelis are trying to operate according to law and
bureaucratic practice, and the militia are operating according to survival
tactics and using whatever advantages they can of the broken

(35:42):
terrain and terrorist initiatives. So it's an asymmetrical conflict therefore
quite different to the clash between Israel and Iran.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
I see. So whatever, if there was a ceasefire that
was agreed to, it would be temporary.

Speaker 12 (36:01):
If it be yes, it'd be wonderful. I mean, we
all want to cease fire. We want the innocent people
to stop being harmed and killed. We want aid to
flow into Gaza. We want the rebuilding process to begin. Remember,
it didn't take more than a year or two to
rebuild Germany and Japan. They were flintened after World War Two.
So the potential for a rebuilt and a dynamic new

(36:24):
Gaza is there. The potential for a resolution of Israel
with the golf Arab States is also there. Now that
is that Ivan is disarmed. So there are lots of potential,
but the Palestinians stand right in the middle of it.
Until this issue is settled, then nothing else is settled.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
All right, Stephen, thank you as always appreciated. Stephen Hadley,
international relations expert.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Here the duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
The city in regional deals that the government has been
banging on are about a one step closer to reality.
Three regions have now signed MoU with the government. One
is the Western Bay of Plenty including and Tung is
me and my head Rysdale is with us.

Speaker 19 (37:02):
Now, how my ham good evening, Heather.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
This MoU is basically where you start the negotiations, isn't.

Speaker 19 (37:08):
It It is so it's been a long process to
get to hear but no, it's it's now time to
sit down at the table and start.

Speaker 10 (37:16):
The real work.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
What do you want to get out of it?

Speaker 19 (37:19):
Well, we want certainty, you know around investment into our region.
We want some new tools to be able to help
us with our infrastructure and unlock some of the infrastructure
so we can deliver the houses. We can deliver the
infrastructure that's required to get those houses, we can deliver jobs,

(37:39):
and we can deliver the economic growth that the government
keeps talking about.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
When you say tools, you mean money.

Speaker 19 (37:46):
It's it's well, it is money ultimately, but it's it's
how we can get that money, and that's what we're How.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Do you get that money? Don't they just give you
the money?

Speaker 19 (37:57):
No, it's it's you know, it's I guess it's one
of those things that as a negotiation they've said there's
no extra money on the table, but it's sharing in
some of the good parts of growth. And you know,
for example, we build infrastructure and two thousand houses, we

(38:17):
get a big debt on our balance sheet and that
gets paid off over the next ten to twenty years
through development contributions, and the government get all the GST
and the income tax of us delivering that growth. So
it's just a little bit more of a two way
street that they help us with some of that growth
through what they're getting from us delivering that growth.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Okay, and how long do you imagine this will take?

Speaker 19 (38:43):
Oh, look, they've said they want the first deal by
the end of a year. I guess we feel like
we're in a pretty good position. And the fact that
we don't have an election. The other two regions have
an election to navigate through October, so it's going to
be pretty hard to negotiate. So we're hopeful that we
might be first and we'll be have a deal by
the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Listen, mahe can I ask you is it okay? I mean,
can you really tell me it's a chill thing to
do to put up your rates by ten percent when
you guys have just signed a lease for like, what's it,
ninety two million dollars for a council building. That's that big,
isn't it.

Speaker 19 (39:16):
Yeah, look at this, this is a something that keeps
coming up. Look, at the end of a day, we
need a place to to lease. We were leasing other
buildings up until now. You know, this wasn't a decision
we made, but it's it is a decision the commissioners
that they signed the lease in about twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
We can't undo it.

Speaker 19 (39:40):
Oh no, not at all. It's it was done and
dusted by the time we got there. But you know,
at the end of the day, it's not that much
more expensive than the three buildings we're leasing around town
to house our staff. You know, our council has to
how's this stuff? And you know, it's been great to
have the community come through and we've been leading tours.

(40:00):
Will do more tours next week getting people through. They
can see the working environment. It's not any different to
most of the other officers.

Speaker 12 (40:10):
But yeah it is.

Speaker 20 (40:11):
I see where it is with the.

Speaker 19 (40:13):
Timing and the look of it.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, I'm glad you can see that.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Maha.

Speaker 16 (40:16):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Look after yourself Maha Drysdale toting.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
A mayorgether do for sea Al.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Hey, if you don't like the boy rasers, I've got
some good news for you. Another twelve people have been
arrested and charged for what happened and live in at
King's Birthday weekend. Already ten people had been arrested in charge.
Now it's another twelve, So that's total twenty two. Charges
include possessions of offensive weapon, arson, failing to stop to
ascertain injury, failing to stop for the coppers, sustained loss
of traction, driving in a dangerous manner, driving well disqualified,

(40:44):
unlawful assembly, unlawfully in an enclosed yard, and excess breath
alcohol level. Good job fourteen past five. Nice work, Heather
on all the maths. Ten plus twelve does in fact
equal twenty two. Hey, that's harsh. Don't forget. I did
go through the New Zealand math system. So anything that
I can still do I think is a win. By
the way, listen news just in Paramount has agreed to

(41:05):
pay sixteen million dollars to settle that lawsuit from Trump.
This is the CBS sixty Minutes lawsuits. That's another win
for him in the courts. On that front. Eighteen past five. Now,
speaking of the courts, all the charges against the handgloing
restore passenger rail protesters have been dismissed. But what's weird
about this is how they've been dismissed. Six of these
dudes had already pleaded guilty to minor charges and then

(41:27):
yesterday they turned up to court to find out what
the sentencing date would be, and at that point they
changed their minds and they decided to withdraw the guilty
please and go if we're not guilty, please, and the
judge allowed it. Steve Cullen is a criminal lawyer with US. Now, hey, Steve,
oh good a, Heather, is that weird?

Speaker 16 (41:42):
It's very odd. Under the Criminal Procedure Act, people are
internal of withdrawer a plea of guilty, but normally it's
on a written application with arguable grounds. This seems to
be that the Crown has looked at the fact that
the jury did not convict anybody, that there's a backlog
built up in the courts the post COVID world of course,

(42:03):
that there's real pressure on the district courts to get
rid of things. And we've also had the solicited generous
guidelines go out and say, if you don't have a
realistic prospect of success, then you really need to consider
a position. They took all of that into account and said,
why are we wasting our time with these people, it seems,
and told them so the people that could then go
before the court and say, well, we want to vacate

(42:25):
our pleas because they hadn't been convicted. They're on their
way to arguing that they should have been discharged. So
instead of going down that path and wasting more time
and resources, it seemed to have been agreed, well, actually
we're just they hate the please of guilty, de facto
deal with the discharges by the crown, agreeing to offer
no evidence and withdraw everything, and they walk away scot free.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
It's remarkable.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Okay, So I can understand that if what we were
talking about is we're going to tie the courts up
for weeks on end or even days on end with
trials and all that kind of stuff. But we've already
got the success. They pleaded guilty. All we needed to
do was the sentencing. Is is that really something that
would have taken that much time?

Speaker 16 (43:03):
Well, it would have been an afternoon.

Speaker 21 (43:05):
The sentencing wasn't necessarily going to proceed because they were
asking for discharges which would have encompassed centencing, but it
requires a judge to consider whether the penalty would be
disproportionate to their actions.

Speaker 16 (43:17):
And of course you get the feeling there's some sort
of moral undercurrent occurring, which I quite frankly I don't
really want to address.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Well, now I want you to address it. Wants the
moral undercurrent?

Speaker 16 (43:29):
Well, you do get the feeling that either one people
were of the view that a certain proportion of the
community felt that these people shouldn't have been convicted at Allah,
or they were exercising their freedom of speech. There's no
doubt about that. It's a methodology that led to them
coming before.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Are you saying to me, Steve, that there may be
some people within the criminal justice system who think that
it's okay to do a little you know, on the side,
a little wilful damage, Jobby, just a little bit of
criminal nuisance, as long as it's in the name of
the climate, it's okay.

Speaker 16 (44:00):
Well, I don't know if that's the message. I don't
know if that's what anyone in particular is thinking, but
you do get the feeling that people just thought it
was impractical to allow us to continue and wasting resources.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Okay, Steve, I appreciate your work very much. Steve Cullen,
criminal lawyer. Right, let's talk about the juries and then
let's talk about birth care. We have to five twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd
be hither.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
I wonder if people protesting about cutting immigration or being
tougher on crime and shutting down roads, whether the justice
system would be as generous? Well, do you know what
I wonder if? I wonder if, for example, Destiny Church
doing the same thing would get such an easy cop
because they're not just a bunch of nice old ladies
caring about the climate. Are they suspect not? Five twenty four. Now,
let's talk about the juries and whether the juries should

(44:56):
hear sexual crime trials. There are some, as we've heard today,
who don't think that jury should because forcing a complainant
to testify in front of a jury in court is retraumatizing.
Now I accept that this is true, but unfortunately, the
tough truth is that victims are going to be retraumatized.
Way before they get to a jury, they will have
to tell the cops what happened, probably multiple times, and

(45:17):
that will be retraumatizing. They will have to tell their lawyer,
probably multiple times, and probably if a lawyer is doing
their job properly, under some pretty robust questioning, and that
will be retraumatizing. And a lot of that will happen
before they even get to the jury. Plus they're gonna
have to tell someone in court anyway. It's either a
jury or it's a judge, so it's going to happen
there as well. I think juries cop the blame unfairly

(45:40):
when offenders aren't declared guilty. I think the truth is
actually that sexual crimes are just really hard to prove.
There often is no evidence, there is no CCTV, there's
no stolen goods at someone's house. There are more often
than not, like the vast majority of times, no witnesses whatsoever.
It is a he said, she said, and that is
why so many offenders walk away, not because the juries

(46:02):
are hard on complainants. I followed cases where the problem
is actually the prosecuting lawyer. A really good lawyer gets
a conviction, makes a conviction more likely a rubbish lawyer
can throw a slam dunk case. That's not a jury's fault.
And actually it's slightly insulting to us to say that
juries can't handle certain cases, because juries are just groups
of us. You could be on a jury, I could
be on a jury saying that we cannot be trusted

(46:24):
to reach a conclusion. Or maybe we can be trusted
to reach a conclusion on something like murder or assault,
but we cannot be trusted to reach a conclusion on
something as complicated as a sex case. I think is
insulting us.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Ever, proceed out of that.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Let's talk about birthcare. Now, if you've had a baby
in Auckland City or in why Tarkety Hospital, you will
know that you'll know what birth care is. But if
you haven't, I'm going to explain to you what birth
care is. Birth care is like a return to the
old days. Remember when when back in the old days,
women would have a baby. Then they just that they'd
lie in the hospital, you know, being looked after by
other people for seven days or whatever three days as

(46:59):
an acknowledgement that they had just pushed a giant human
out and their body might be traumatized. And very very tired,
very very tired. So birthcare is a little bit like that.
It's like an old school maternity ward and it's offsite
from the hospital. You have to go there, you go
there for maybe like a day or two your choice,
and then and you pay for it. It's not altogether cheap,
I think by memory, the cheapest room is about three

(47:22):
hundred and fifty bucks a night. The most expensive room
I think is about seven hundred bucks a night. Now
that's subsidized because you're just paying. That's not at all
what the care will cost. Right, so yours, as the mum,
you're paying that, and then Health New Zealand pays a
proportion of that. I was surprised to read in the
Herald today that Health New Zealand leaders considered allowing Birthcare
to close down because Birthcare asked for some more funding

(47:45):
and they didn't like that. But then they said this.
This is Health New Zealand's Regional Director of Funding, doctor
Debbie Holdsworth. She said in an email last February that
she didn't think birthcare was necessary anymore, providing quote, providing
a couple of days. In effectively, a hotel doesn't have
a life course impact as they end up in whatever
the home environment is. From an equity perspective, with the

(48:06):
likelihood of other children at home, it is often not
feasible without someone able to look after other young children.
So basically a normal people's language, she is saying here,
it doesn't work because only some people can actually go
to birth care, because some people can get childcare at
home for toddler number one and other people can't. So
if it doesn't work for everyone, we shouldn't do it.
Number two, she says, learning mothercraft is more effective in

(48:28):
the reality of the home environment. Ladies, have you ever
heard more bollocks than that come out of another woman's mouth?
Learning mothercraft is more effective in the reality of the
home environment. Oh my gosh, let me tell you. I
sat in birthcare with baby, her baby money it was
born the other day. I sat in birth care for
two full nights trying to get that little baby to

(48:50):
cluster feed, and she kept me awake for two full nights.
The ladies, the midwives wonderful. I was like, is this normal?

Speaker 4 (48:55):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (48:56):
What shall I do? Blah blah blah. Do you think
who else would have given me at home? Who would
have give me advice? The husband been like, oh yeah,
that's my experience breastfeeding as well. Oh my gosh, Debbie,
get a reality check, keep it open, please, headlights.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
News talks. That'd be he apparently that's gold.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
White Santana goldmine and Bendigo is just going to make
an absolute mint. We'll have a chat to them after
six o'clock. We've got Phil and Phil on the huddle
today as in Phil o'reiley and introducing a man you
have heard of before in many capacities Auckland mayor minister
troublemaker with Donald Trump. Never heard of him on the huddle,

(49:49):
but now you are. Phil Goff is going to be
with us. And also what about this one. I love
this text, Heather tell Debbie to jog on. I've had
three kids. Two of them were easy daytime berths l
was a frigging three day event. My husband tried to
pay client hospital for a couple of days rest, but nah,
I was sent home to a frost forty minutes from
town and three kids under three. I was exhausted birth

(50:10):
care is the absolute best thing I've ever heard of.
I'll be shouting my daughter that Hell yes, Rebecca, that
is the kind of mum everybody needs. Twenty three away
from six now, Apparently there's a growing trend of parents
who won't send their kids on sleepovers anymore. And this
is basically because they're worried about potential harms. It could
happen in someone else's home, and some parents won't even
send their kids to stay with close family members. Joe

(50:31):
Robertson is a sex and relationships therapist and with us now,
Hi Joe, Hi, you hearing this anecdotally?

Speaker 22 (50:38):
Oh yeah, and experiencing it myself. I've got three kids
in that season, so definitely understand the challenges around where
to send your kids, where to keep you know, who
to keep them home from, etc. It's really hard for
parents to figure that out.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Do you send your kids on sleepovers?

Speaker 22 (50:53):
Yes, they have a couple of designated families that they
can have sleepovers with, and as they've gotten older, the
so the amount of people that they can spend that
amount of time worth grows.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
So there's a kind of a I guess a staggered
approach Okay, do you think that people's I mean, because
I grew up in the eighties and nineties and it
was a free for all. We were always staying at
people's houses and stuff. Were we a little bit loose
back then? Yes, we were a little bit loose.

Speaker 22 (51:20):
Yeah, So we definitely need to be really intentional about
where our kids spend time. And what I don't mean
is them you know, biking down to the dairy, going
to the park and hanging out with friends. All of
that stuff's really healthy and goosh, you know, playing sports
and getting there by themselves. That's all fantastic, But where
they're actually spending the night in places, you know, if
you think about just the secrecy, the privacy, the kind

(51:42):
of the cover of darkness, those spaces, we do need
to be more careful about.

Speaker 10 (51:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
I mean, look, because what a lot of parents are
worried about is you know, let's just call it for
what it is, like sexual stuff happening, right, and often
I imagine the concern should be perhaps less the adults,
but the other kids. Yeah, I totally agree.

Speaker 22 (52:03):
I definitely there's a trend now with kids at sleep over,
kids at camps, sorry, where there's no adults in the room.
So it's only children in the rooms at school camps often,
and that's got its.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Own challenges with it.

Speaker 22 (52:14):
Okay, it's more than sexual harm, you know, it's like
the stuff that they would see in a movie if
they had a bad dream. Like, there's definitely other things.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Okay, So how do parents suss out whether the host
family is an appropriate family or not?

Speaker 22 (52:27):
You want to spend a decent amount of time with
that family, you know. I think about it as if
your child had diarrhea. This is uncomfortable to imagine, I.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Know, but if they had it's not happens all the time.

Speaker 22 (52:37):
Carry on, Yes, if you child a diarrhea and you
needed somebody to wash their body, would you feel comfortable
with the person that they're going to doing that for them?

Speaker 3 (52:47):
So that's you know, that's like a really practical kind
of measure. Do I trust those? But what about just
like low level stuff like screen time?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Right?

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Some parents are really liberal, some parents are at more conservative.
Can you can you judge it based on that? I mean,
I think that's a conversation you have to have.

Speaker 22 (53:07):
I don't know if that's the judge of whether you
trust their family or not.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
But it's it's getting when they're in the bedroom with
the iPad looking at only fans, Yeah, definitely, Yeah, or
making only fans. You know, we don't want that either.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
No.

Speaker 22 (53:22):
So, yeah, there's a conversation I have even with playdates.
It's not just sleepovers, but hey, what are the rules
around screens in your home?

Speaker 3 (53:27):
And how do we manage it?

Speaker 12 (53:28):
Now?

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Okay, so Joe give me some advice. So I'm thinking
about my My one is three and a half, and
I'm thinking about him sending him to my mother full
Saturday night because his cousins are there. But I'm worried
about my mother because she can be a bit loose
and I want I don't know that I trust her
with the front door on a busy road. Am I
being a psycho? Probably that is psycho, isn't it. You
can say it. I don't think it's psycho.

Speaker 22 (53:51):
I think it just sounds like you need a really
honest conversation about your concerns.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Okay, cool, I will thank you, I'll say, Joe said Joe. Thanks,
Joe definitely appreciated Joe robertson sex and relationship therapist. Now
my mum knows because she'll be listening. So I've done
half the work already. Nineteen away from six the Huddle.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
With New Zealand Southurby's International Realty Find.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
You're one of the guy on the huddle with me
this evening. We have got fellow Riley Iron Duke Partners
and Phil Goff Pheiel welcome here today.

Speaker 10 (54:24):
Good to have two films from Mount Roskell on the
progresmactly right.

Speaker 20 (54:27):
One work more here than the other film.

Speaker 10 (54:31):
I'm working on it film.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Okay, right, we're going by full names lads, because as
you can imagine, this is going to be problematic. Actually
feel GoF it's really lovely to talk to you because
I was just reading about you last night in j Just
Cinder's book. Have you read it? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (54:44):
I did read it actually, yes, Yeah. It's quite of
an interesting casual side you know style that she follows,
just you know, talking about her upbringing in her life
and I know appearents well, you know, the lovely people.
I found it quite interesting. Not things that I didn't
understand about that, but yeah, it was hard being in

(55:07):
politics without being a mother. Being a mother, you know,
you've got a full time career and you're managing your kids.
As well, and with a little bit of help from Barry.
So yeah, that was a challenge for her. But I always
found her an authentic and empathetic person. I liked her life.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Is your recollection of events the same as hers. That
you were the one who told her never to say
yes if they ask her to run for parliament, and
then you were the one who called her and asked
her to run for parliament.

Speaker 10 (55:33):
Yeah, I think she's probably right. You know, no same
person runs for public office if it wants to look
after their family and their lifestyle. But in another sense,
it's the highest calling, you know. So yeah, I did
tell her, probably at a moment when I was, you know,
at the end of a twelve hour day or whatever,
it don't be so stupid as to do a job

(55:55):
like this. But you know, she was a person that
I thought was suit of No.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
No, no, I don't want any praise. I don't want
any praise. You know how I feel about her. We're gonna,
we're gonna, we're.

Speaker 10 (56:04):
Gonna, we're providing some balance tonight.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
We're going to stop you right there, pillow Riley. Have
you read the book yet?

Speaker 12 (56:09):
No?

Speaker 20 (56:10):
I haven't. But what I have done is I've had
a lot of fun reading all the reviews because you
go around globally and read the reviews and you can
reliably work out which newspaper or which website. If you're
listening to yours, the Daily Telegraph, they hate it. If
it's The GUARDI and they love it. Yeah, if it's Oprah,
she loves it. You know. So I just had such
fun because the book has got all much nothing to
do with the reviews. It's whether you like Jesindra or

(56:31):
not review it brilliantly, or I'm going.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
To break Philo Riley. I'm going to break this mold
because you know how I feel about Josinda right like
you know, I've got I've got bad vibes on it.
But I'm really enjoying the book. So I'm going to
probably be the first person in the world who doesn't
like her but will like her books. So we'll get
round to that at some stage. Fair enough to fellow, Riley,
can I you're not you're not a parent, but you've
done sleepovers?

Speaker 20 (56:54):
Sure, yes, I've I've been thinking about this this afternoon
since you want to talk about it, and I was
trying to recall my own childhood back in the swinging sixties,
when god knows, we didn't think much about these things
at all. But the test that you were given earlier,
I think is sensible. I recall that, really, when I
look back at it, I was only at the houses
of people who were close friends of my family or

(57:15):
were already family members actually, and I recall them all
being quite small too. It wasn't as though there was
twenty of sleeping over till I was quite a lot
later in life. So so I think actually that the
good sense kind of test here is the right one,
I think, but without being a helicopter parent about it.
I think getting into screen time and stuff's probably only
but trl for me personally, but just knowing that these

(57:35):
people are good people. The other test that I was
thinking about this afternoon was the test I'm making sure
there's no other strangers in the house, so you know,
Dave and Sally they're good people. But Uncle Ted's in
the house tonight and you didn't know that. So I
think some of that stuff about are these strangers that
you don't know are going to be there? But you know,
it's a good sense test, and I think my parents
probably followed those tests even way back in the sixties.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Yeah, probably, Phil, you would have had kids in the
eighties and ninety day, what did you do?

Speaker 10 (58:00):
Yeah, yeah, no, usually, you know, we're just if we
knew the family, that was fine. If we didn't know
the family and we weren't confident about their being proper supervision,
then we would have said no. I mean, I think
you have to use your common sense on this and
you have to try and find a balance. You can
be over to protective, over protective, and this is develop

(58:22):
a sense of independence.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yeah, you can't deny them the sleep of as a
because that's normal kid stuff.

Speaker 10 (58:27):
Yeah, yeah, but you do what you know. I think,
as Phil said, most actual abusive sexual abusive kids don't happen,
you know, in a playground, out in the public arena.
They happen in somebody's residence. So you've just got to
be a little bit careful. I think the other thing
is just to make sure you tell your kids that
it's not all right for anybody to abuse them in

(58:50):
any way, including sexually, and what to do if that
were to be the case.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
It's like you teach a kid. You teach a kid
how to look after themselves in a playground. You teach
them how to cast themselves of this stuff as a well. Right,
we'll take a break. Come back shortly called to.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
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Speaker 3 (59:11):
Right twelve away from sixty Back of the huddle, Phillo
Riley and Phil Golf Philloiley. Do you think that Aukland
Council should ban helicopters private use of helicopters in suburban
areas to avoid a Mobra case?

Speaker 20 (59:21):
Again, don't be so ridiculous. I mean, this is a
test of reasonableness. This, I mean teleicopters are public a
transport opportunity for some people. They shouldn't been submarines either.
Here it's just it's a ridiculous sort of thought. The
Mobras and the Mobras have been through a proper process.
They've applied, they've ticked all the boxes and ends of

(59:42):
the environmental issues and so on. Just move on that.
A lot of the publicity of this is just the
chattering classes because Anna Mobra is one of the one
of the few superstars of the media and so on
in New Zealand, and one one of the few people
like that, and so we've just got this little chattering
class thing going on, which I really find depressing new zealing.
Let's just move on. It's fine, the world's not come

(01:00:04):
to an end. Move on and let them have it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Really not even that noisy. I bet Phil goth that
your bike is even noisier than a chopper.

Speaker 10 (01:00:11):
Oh no, no, I've got a modern British motorbike that
doesn't make the loud noise that you know, the Harley
Davidson does, So you can't bring that one on me. Look,
I've met both Anna Mobray and Nellie William separately, perfectly
nice people. I think that's not the issue whether nice
people with a wealthy or not wealthy. The issue is
what people regard as quite enjoyment of life. And you've

(01:00:33):
got to balance out the interests of whether it might
be convenient to have a helicopter pad in your back section,
but i fact were to interrupt seriously the quiet enjoyment
of life of others, then you have to take that
into account. So yeah, and the Council did feel that's
the point that the panel, the panel, the Independent Commissioners
decided that you're right. The process was followed appropriately, and

(01:00:55):
according to the by laws, it was legitimate. But there
is a wider question I know over y Heki, because
every third house in some of the areas there have
got their own helicopter. That people are really pissed off
with the interruption of their life and the noise they
are trying to enjoy the beauty and the tranquility of
the place, and that you know, it's not just one house,

(01:01:17):
it's a whole lot of houses, and helicopters I've traveled
in them often do make a hell of a lot
of noise. So you know, if I was living next door, yeah,
probably I'd have a problem with it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I sort of I wonder phil GoF if we shouldn't
be a little bit more welcoming of people who this
is a legitimate form of transport for somebody who's uber wealthy, right,
and we should actually be grateful that people like that
choose to live in this country, rather than kind of
making it harder for them by taking away the things
they want to do.

Speaker 10 (01:01:41):
What do you think, Well, I don't think the fact
that they're wealthy or not wealthy makes any difference at all. Obviously,
if you have your own helicopter, you are reasonably well off.
I think it is that. You know, when I wrote
the trade tendency legislation back in the nineteen eighties, one
of the things we put in was quite enjoyment of life,
a requirement of people were renting to respect the quite
enjoyment of life of their neighbors. And that was about

(01:02:04):
having loud parties and things like that. But but you know,
I do know. I have helicopters come over my place
quite regularly. Actually, when I was away, I had the
police helicopter over it for about nine hours dealing with
a gang that had occupied my house's right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 10 (01:02:21):
It wasn't it wasn't wasn't pleasant trying to deal with
that from from London. But look, you know, the point
is about if it's not a big deal to hop
in your car and drive, you know, two kilometers down
the road to go to the helipad, and if it
is causing genuine disruption of the quiet ensuyment of life

(01:02:41):
of your neighbors, you have to take that into account.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
You know what, fellow rually, you and I are going
to get a ride in the Mowbras chopper and not phil.

Speaker 10 (01:02:46):
Exactly the point the point, and I agree with everything
feel just said. The problem here is though that I
think without without I'm not going to mission names here.
I think some of the opposition to the for the
Alley Williams and Animal Brek helicopter is because they just.

Speaker 20 (01:03:02):
Don't like Ellie when you mobray. They don't like the
other people have got the wealth to do that. That's
the chattering classes point, and that's what I completely reject.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
I do suspect that there's an element of that to it. Guys,
it's lovely to talk to the pair of you. Thank you,
Pila Raleig, Phil Goffer, Huddle Led Away from.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Hey, I don't know if you are aware of this,
but Lululemon has filed a lawsuit against Costco. By the way,
it's five away from six. Lululemon has filed a lawsuit
against Costco over copies. Now we've discussed this on the
show before because remember Costco is selling that butter. It's
a Kirkland butter, isn't it. It's a Kirkland butter and
they're selling it for half the price of you know,
the butter that you can buy on the shop shelves,

(01:03:46):
and they get the butter made at the same place
that makes the West Gold butter. And you don't have
to be a rocket scientist to figure out that you're
basically just buying a West Gold butter for around about
half the price. So anyway, what Lululemon is upset about
is that Costco also under this Kirkland label, which is
their private label, they're also doing things like clothes, and

(01:04:07):
it's well known that they use the same manufacturers of
the OG product. Right, so you can look at a Lululemon, Well,
let me give you an example. You could look at
the Lululemon high Tech Men's Scuba Full Zip. Now I
don't know about you, but the high Tech Men's Scuba
ful Zip sounds awesome. So now I want to high
Tech Men's Scuba fool Zip. But if I don't want

(01:04:29):
to pay more than a hundred bucks or whatever at Lululemon,
I can go and look at cost Costco and well,
look at that looks very similar. And it's well known
that Costco uses the same manufacturers of the original High
Tech Men's Scuba fool zip, so you might be happy
to pay the nineteen dollars ninety seven American for the

(01:04:51):
thing that you could either you know, you go to
Lululum and pay a hundred bucks for anyway Lulu. It
seems to me that Lululemon's argument is that because we
know that this stuff is happening when we turn up
at Costco, we go on that's just basically a Lulu
Lemon or a Kirkland Brandon, so we buy it, right.
But they're saying, well, you don't know because some of
them are legit and some of them are not the same.
But anyway, the upshot of the story, the reason I'm

(01:05:11):
telling you all of this is because don't you just
want to go to Costco now and go and see
how cheap the Lululemon stuff as they're branded as Kirkland.
I know, how about the Barbara Streisand effect taking hold
right there? That's the barbar Streisand effect. When you talk
about it makes the situation worse than if you just
shut up and pretend it's not happening. Heather, I'm not

(01:05:32):
sure exactly why I feel uncomfortable with you giving Phil
Goff a platform on your panel, he blotted his copy
book as the New Zealand ambassador in the UK was
rightly sacked. I agree he should have known better and
he didn't. Why now does his commentary and viewpoint on
anything political hold anyway, Debbie, you know my position on this.
You know my position on this. Just because they're a

(01:05:52):
former politician does not mean you shut them up and
send them home and give them some slippers and say,
be a good boy now. We never want to hear
from you again. Phil Goff has done the thousand things
in his life, all of which means that he has
a lot of knowledge that he's accumulated. And I reckon
people like that are worth listen to Bill Goff, David Carter,
Don Brash, Halen Clark roll them out because they've got
heaps of life experience. I don't think. I think we're

(01:06:13):
worse off if we shut people like that up up
and better off for hearing their experiences. But we've got
to stop them with the Jisinda stuff like that's out
of hand. No one wants to hear that anyway. Let's
talk to Santana next about how much money they're going
to make off the gold Newsboks.

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Even in coming up in the next hour. We're halfway
through the year, so we're going to check him with
the global markets or on the global markets with Milford
Asset Management. ACC is clearly getting tougher on claims terrain
and it's spending genative Cheriny on that and Gavin Gray
on that rebellion in Keir Starmer's ranks and how bad
that's going to get. Coming up eight past six now,
Australian Miners reckon they could make up to three point

(01:07:03):
eight billion dollars of pre tax profit from a planned
gold mine in Otago. The company reckons they could get
one point two five million ounces of gold from the
mine near Cromwell, and with the price of gold currently
at record highs, the profits are set to be huge.
Damien Spring is Santana Mineral's chief executive High Damien good Heeather,
how are you very well? Thank you? Do you reckon
the price of gold's going to hold?

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Oh look, it's thanks to be holding at the moment.
You know, it's come off it's ultimate high of around
five thousand, eight hundred. But even at this price, it's
still in terms of the history of gold price, you know,
very high.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
I saw somewhere that even if the price of gold halved,
you guys would still make a decent profit. Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Well, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
You know, this is a goal project that those international
investors that are interested in investing directly in gold projects
have set up and taking notice. And it is a
high grade, high value gold mine net we're posing and
it's going to produce dividends both for those investors but
also New Zealand in terms of royalties and jobs and

(01:08:07):
services and such on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
How long before you start pulling it out?

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Well, we've got to get our application into the fast
track process where and that is a minute And given
the powers of that piece of legislation in terms of
a fast tracked decision making process, it could be as
early as next year.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Oh you could actually be digging as early as next year,
could you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
That's right, that's what our timeframe is, pending the fast
trek approved.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Okay, so how much damage are you going to do
though to the land in order to get this gold out?
Like how much digging are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Are we talking about an open pit mine centered on
with a posit called Rise and Shine or RAS. It's
about nine hundred meters across up to two hundred metered sleep.
It's an open that mine. So yep, it's like any
other extractive in New Zealand and plenty of them. We

(01:09:10):
certainly dig up the ground, but we have a full
process of understanding what those depicts are, how we're going
to mitigate it, and of course before we start, we've
got a very sound closure plan. So we put it
back to a landform that is a commensurate with the
surrounding landscape.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Right, so when you're done with it, you basically make
it look nice again. How long before you're done with it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Well, our current mind plan that we just released this though,
it's us mining for fourteen years, okay, but of course
expiration continues, so we'll see what that produces and maybe
hopefully we find them more so never know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
So Damien, the locals who are objecting because of the
fact that they think it's going to look ugly have
maybe got a bit of a point, haven't they.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Oh look, I think we've been engaging with affective parties
and neighbors and community groups right across the region of
Central Otago. They believe what they believe. We've engaged experts
in all the various areas, including landscape and visual and

(01:10:18):
we rely on those experts to work within the framework
that we have here in New Zealand, and we believe
we've got a solution for those concerns.

Speaker 16 (01:10:29):
Brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Hey, well, you know you got to break eggs to
make an omelet, so best of luck to you. That's
Damien Spring, chief executive at Santana Minerals. Eleven past six.
Bad news. We've lost a satellite. This is our methane satellite.
We've discussed the methane satellite on the show. People were
pretty excited about it because we chucked in twenty nine
million taxpayer dollars into it, and were excited because it

(01:10:52):
was supposed to start doing cool things like measurement, measuring
methane from up in space and all that kind of stuff.
But now it's gone because it's quite simply what happened
is it veered off course and then got lost in space,
and it is lost in space. Apparently it's been having
problems since at least about September. It's been a multitude
of problems. By the sounds of things, it's been going
into safe mode every time the sun has a little

(01:11:15):
bit of a peak in the magnetic cycle, you know,
you know how that is, it goes into safe mode
and then they have to carefully restart it. That's been
happening affair. But then there was a problem with one
of the three thrusters, but they said, don't worry about
it could still operate on two thrusters, so that's not
a big deal. Then it had to go back to
its manufacturers in Colorado in March, and this was after
heaps of delays. Already had to delay it's launch date,

(01:11:35):
had to delay the arrival of the promise statah blah
blah blah. Now it's lost in space. And it's particularly
a bummer for Auckland University because they were part of
like a group of people who were interested in this,
and they were supposed to take over mission control two
days before it was announced that it was lost in space,
and they not even didn't even get a chance. There
you go, hopefully we get another one. Twelve plus six.

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Hey, I've got some news that you need. If you've
been betting overseas, you might want to hear this. So
we'll talk about this. And just to take it's quarter
past six and Jeremy Hutton Milford ASCID Management is with me. Hey, Jeremy,
Good evening, Heather. So halfway through the year already flies by,
so it's probably a good time to check in on
the global share markets. How are our investments going so far?

Speaker 23 (01:12:26):
Yeah, in twenty twenty five, at at a headline level,
you'd look at some of the key global markets yet
to date, you've got the SMP five hundred that's up
five percent, the Tech Focus Nasdaq that's up seven the
Aussie two hundred that's up five And you take some
of that performance and you say those are half decent
returns and in a normal year after six months you'd
be pretty happy. But of course, if you look more

(01:12:48):
into the detail, there has been a lot of news
and a lot of noise out there, and this was
led effectively by the fifteen the nineteen percent fall in
the SMP five hundred post Trump's liberation. But despite this
and despite the ongoing trade tensions high tariffs, Middle Eastern conflict,
there's been a subsequent incredible twenty four percent rebound back

(01:13:11):
in the SMP five hundred back to record market highs.
So a few comments i'd make you know, investors have
become very accustomed to buying the dip in this post
COVID world, and that strategy seems to have worked again here.
And then finally, you know, staying calm, sticking to your strategy,
not panicking and selling at the wrong time, has also
proven to be a good strategy here again.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
But so what's going on with the local market, because
it's been lagging.

Speaker 23 (01:13:36):
Yeah, correct, the injet X fifty that's down to zero
point two percent year to date, so it is lagging
the key pairs who are up around five As mentioned earlier,
the interet X that did full two post liberation day
down nine percent through April and May. And our market
does tend not to have the same size moves or
volatility as global markets, just given the makeup of some

(01:13:58):
of the companies in our index. The inzd X has
bounced back a little bit, but it hasn't quite recovered
all the losses from that fall, unlike global markets which
have fully recovered.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
So tell me what's been leading the z X so far.

Speaker 23 (01:14:13):
Interestingly, there is there is a common theme so far
this Yeah, some of the food and agri names have
been really strong and leading the charts this year. So
A two milk that's the current leader on the z
X infant formula into China that's up thirty seven percent
after a very strong result in February. They'll have some
updated numbers in August two which will be widely followed.

(01:14:36):
Fishing business Sanford that's up thirty six percent yet to date.
The new CEO there, David Mayer, he's working wonders already.
Fonterra as we know, strong dairy that's up twenty eight percent.
Scales that's apple and pet food business doing really well,
up twenty percent. And then finally Turner's Automotive that's up
twenty eight percent in twenty twenty five so far. That

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so that's continuing. It's really strong past few year.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
And what's not been doing so well?

Speaker 23 (01:15:03):
Yeah, despite some of those winners above, it does depend
on their relative size in the index to see how
it impacts the market as a whole. And unfortunately we've
had some larger companies like Rhyme and Healthcare with its
big capital rays that's down forty eight percent, sky City
down thirty eight percent, Spark down sixteen and Auckland Airport
down ten percent as well. And given there's some of

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our largest companies in the index index, it does drag
the whole market down, but it does show that there
are always pockets of strength out there and always pockets
of weakness in every market.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Yeah, brilliant stuff, Jeremy, thanks for running us through it.
To appreciate it. Jeremy Hutton, Milford Asset Management, Heather, have
they deactivated the autopilots on the satellite? Honestly, it probably
is exactly that, isn't it, because it's always the autopilot
when it comes to anything in New Zealand. Autopilot on
a naval ship, autopilot on a plane, auto pilot on
the utterre. Actually, thank you for raising that because this

(01:15:57):
takes us very nicely to ferries. Yesterday, when Winston was
on the show, I was talking. I was asking him
about the partial privatization, which clearly the act party's into,
but he's not into. And I asked him, why don't
you do it, and he's like, why would I do it?
Why would you? Why would I mean, I'm kind of
you know, I'm giving some life to what he said.
But basically his point was why would you partially privatize

(01:16:19):
the ferry operation? The office answer is because it's shite,
like you can't make it any worse. But actually, what
about this? Okay? So Bluebridge announced in March that it
was buying a new faery. This is the Livier. The
livier is arriving in Wellington tomorrow. What's that? But they
announced him Mark buying it, got it, made a decision,

(01:16:39):
Here we go, off we go, and then it arrives
what four months later? Look at that as a contrast
with how we've been fatting around with this nonsense with
the fairies, with the public company. When did Grant announce?
When did they announce that they were buying the fairies?
When I say granted is obviously our old mate Grant
robertson first name basis it was donkeys years ago, right,

(01:17:00):
and then so it is already years into the process
and faffing around and dawdling, and then in December twenty
twenty three Nicola cans it and then that's twenty months ago, right,
So twenty months later we still don't even know. We're
still in negotiations, and they say we're only going to
get it in twenty twenty nine, probably a decade since

(01:17:22):
we started the process. And that's still another forty months.
But never mind four months. That's forty months before we
get these Can you see my point? Maybe part of
the reason you want to partially privatize the thing is
because nothing puts a fire up the butt of people
or under the butt of people like shareholders who are going, ah,
not good enough, because frankly, the Bluebridge is running circles,

(01:17:45):
running rings around the public company and just making the
whole thing look embarrassing, isn't it anyway? Lucy let me
the nurse in the UK. I always have my doubts
about do you have to eat your doubts about this case.
I have my doubts about this case. I just I
can't quite articulate it. And it isn't an easy like,

(01:18:05):
it's not an easy sell to tell you why. I'm
not convinced that she's guilty. But I'm not quite convinced
that she's guilty anyway. The update on matter is that
overnight a bunch of her bosses were arrested on manslaughter chargers.
We're going to talk to Gavin Gray when he's with
us in a round about twenty minutes time right now,
six twenty one.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
It's Heather due for Sea Ellen with the Business Hour
and mass insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
These talks that'd be Heather here. We raise small Black
and Blue that there was no secondhand fairies anywhere in
the world, and Blue Bridge just proved that. They told Fibbs, Steve,
thank you, right, we need to talk about the sports thing.
I don't have time to talk about the sports thing now.
I'm going to tell you about the sports thing shortly.
They just want to give you a really really quick
heads up if you're upset about the jaffers and listen.

(01:18:52):
There's a really excellent article by Jenny Mortimer in The
Herald today which is basically, if you're upset about the jaffers,
shut up because you probably didn't buy any which I
think is fair right because how much do you know what?
Somebody went out and bought jaffers for the office Today
and by Munch down on it. I was like, oh,
it's not bad actually, but in a why I didn't
buy more of those actually, but anyway, we bought them

(01:19:12):
on the beat. You there's a spike in the purchase
of jaffers now and that anyway, there are alternatives out there,
so you can still indulge yourself with your weird chocolate
orange combination, which is kind of a bit weird if
you think about it. The Warehouse, what they called is ojs,
so they're not called jeff as they called OJ's. The
Warehouse sells one hundred and fifty grand bag for four dollars,

(01:19:33):
Candy Shack, which sells stuff online, sells one hundred grand
bag for five dollars, and Woolworth's sells another thing altogether,
which is called Darryl Lee's Bebe Orange Crunch stink name,
for around five dollars fifty. So you can still get
your jaff as they just called something else at six
twenty five. Now, I've got some entertainment industry news for you.
Nelly as in it's getting hot in her has got

(01:19:56):
a TV show, a reality TV show. It's called Ashanti
and Nelly, We Belong To to Gather Season one and
it's streaming now on Prime Video, and they've got a
baby boy. It turns out Nellie's not just thug for
life now, he's actually a grown up with a baby.
Baby's called KK. KK is one now, and Nellie is
unfortunately a pretty hands off dad. He only wants to

(01:20:18):
help parent KK wants KK is a little bit older.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Well, it's all. You ain't gonna even lie, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:20:24):
I ain't got none for him, Absolutely not, I know,
until he can say I'm hungry, until he can say
I need to use the bathroom.

Speaker 9 (01:20:36):
But as soon as he started walking, I told him,
I said, enjoy because as soon as he gets the
walking and top, he went the crew.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
So he's gonna be part of the crew when he
can walk and talk. Problem is also Nellie sleeps through
the night. When KK cries.

Speaker 22 (01:20:49):
It's absolutely ridiculous that you'll still be dead sleep and he'll.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Be mad loud, but I don't even hear you all man,
that's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
You know it's a gift. I guess why is that
a gift? I'm blessed with that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
No, that means get up, it's your turn changing.

Speaker 17 (01:21:10):
I'm gonna take you back to this conversation we have
before you kick me under the table, I said, baby,
I give you the world.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
I just ain't changing no dip. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
Yeah, I don't think that surprises anybody. Did anybody understand
anything that Nellie just said? By the way, also, does
anybody believe this?

Speaker 12 (01:21:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
I think they're hamming it up. Here's some ashanti. If
you're like, who's the bird? This is a shanty?

Speaker 12 (01:21:39):
You know it?

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
That's right, that's your two account college. Just go back
and nine and nine and nine, baby, good, learn's next.

Speaker 6 (01:21:47):
I don't know, look you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Baby a baby.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
I'm whether it's macro micro or just play.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
In economics, it's all on the business hours with Heather
Duplicy Allen and mass insurance and investments, grow your wealth,
protect your future, use.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
Talks at me.

Speaker 11 (01:22:17):
I mean it's a little bit in like, what is this?

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Ants?

Speaker 11 (01:22:22):
This is a helicoptery noise?

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
Why are you doing this?

Speaker 20 (01:22:25):
Because but now we're.

Speaker 11 (01:22:26):
All fans pound cop is playing. I thought, you know
as well, may as well enjoyed the signe a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
You are such a troll. I cannot believe it. How
many disciples? How many spells?

Speaker 12 (01:22:35):
Was that?

Speaker 11 (01:22:36):
I don't think hopefully that one wasn't too loud. I
don't want to think out so we'd have to call.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Us honestly, can you believe I have to work with
this pack of jerks anyway? It's will that be in
support of my positions? Absolutely not. So we're going to
go to Gavin Gray very shortly obviously talk it and
talk about what's going on in the UK right now.
It's twenty four away from seven. Now. ACC is going
to get much tighter with its claims payouts an attempt

(01:23:00):
to reign in its massive deficit. It's committed to what
it says are highly ambitious targets of reducing the number
it supports via that weekly compensation. Tony tub Trainey is
The Herald's Wellington Business editor and with us Alo jene
Hey when we say highly ambitious, how ambitious?

Speaker 6 (01:23:16):
Quite ambitious. I've just looked through a long report that
ACC is put together. Basically, it aims to have the
growth rate of the pool of people it supports for
more than a year, so that at the moment that
is increasing by thirteen percent a year, it wants that
to increase by only six point six percent. Also, the

(01:23:40):
number of claims that ACC receives has been growing at
a faster rate than the population, so it wants to
stop that and actually bring it down below the population
growth rate. So I'm actually shocked by how large the
ACC scheme is in the past year. It's it's dealt

(01:24:01):
with about two million claims. You know, it's a lot
of claims for a small country like New Zealand. So
I guess ACC is committing to really tightening its ship,
and that is because the government is putting pressure on
it to reiin in its costs and reduce the size
of its deficit.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Is the suggestion here that there are people who are
getting this weekly pay compensation who actually shouldn't be getting it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:25):
There really is because for ACC to you know, reach
these targets that it's put down in this report. You
would imagine that if it was already operating really tightly,
then it wouldn't be able to do that because you know,
it needs to pay people in line with the law.
So without a law change, how does it cut its
cost this much? So you would imagine that there are

(01:24:48):
people receiving ACC who perhaps don't need to be I
think the government is really worried about people getting on
ACC and not coming off and daying on for a
long time. That's the group that it's really eyeing now.
ACC and the government they haven't gone so fast to say,
you know, people are ripping off the system, or that

(01:25:10):
ACC is not managing the system well enough and enabling
people to rip it off, but they have said a
few things like, you know, they want to make sure
that people are only receiving what they're entitled to. So
the fact that it's pointing this out in this report
suggests that it's not being that well run. Also, they
want to look into increasing sanctions on people who don't

(01:25:34):
follow the rules.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Janay, Now, you and I know that this is going
to get controversial, right because undoubtedly if you're kicking people
off who aren't supposed to be there, you're going to
make a few mistakes, and you're going to kick people
off who are supposed to be there, who've got amazing
sob stories, who are going to go to the newspapers
about it, and it's going to be on the front page,
right And so you need a minister handling this who
is nimble and able to be compassionate and do it properly.
It's got Someson.

Speaker 6 (01:25:56):
That guy, Oh, that's a big question. I've got something
hasn't been in the role for that long, so I
won't pass judgment yet. He is due to receive a
couple of reports that his predecessor commissioned, so and these reports,
you know, there are external reviews that look into culture

(01:26:17):
and claims management and so on, so that should inform,
you know, this turnaround plan that he's working on. So
while ACC has all these targets, Scott Someson in the
coming months is due to release what he's going to
call a turnaround plan for ACC. So I think we
can look at that plan and judge, you know, and

(01:26:38):
judge him from there. I think this will be a
really major test for him.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
Yeah, it might well be. Thank you so much as
per Generative Rainey, The Herald's Wellington Business editor. You got
that sound again ends So I reckon I can handle
that if that's just happening a couple of times a week. Right,
it's coming into how long does the top of take
to land?

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Like?

Speaker 11 (01:27:00):
Yeah, I was gonna say, we probably need to shake
the studio as well to give the proper effect.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Depending on how and what you need is you need
to take Hoskins dison over there and put it on
reverse and blow it at me as well, and then
just get if you could just get some leak arrange that. Yeah,
so throw some leaves and some dirt, a bit of
earthy kind of you know, detritus at me so I
could get the full full effect. But I mean, look,
that was over and done. Was really quickly that chopper landed.

(01:27:24):
I'm fine Now I can carry on drinking my gin
and peace. Right, what's the problem? I risk my case
twenty away from seven heads up. Now, if you have
been bitting overseas, like if you've been using sports beed
or whatever like, and there are quite a few people
in New Zealand who do, you might have a little
bit of a problem because if you haven't got your
money out of sports bece already, it looks like it

(01:27:47):
might be just a little bit a little bit harder
than easy, do you know what I mean? To get
your money out of sports beed. So bit overseas gambling
for us was made illegal because you know, sometimes this
government does try to do something that's like vaguely vibes
a bit of muldoune at you. You're like, oh, that's right, Jason.
We're here. We were just being adults for a second
and managing our own internet overseas, and they were like, no,

(01:28:09):
you're not allowed to bet overseas anymore, Ben, cancel that.
And that happened I think on Saturday. So sports Bet
then sent out an email either today or yesterday to
Kiwis with accounts and said, Hey, you can no longer
access your account. If you're in New Zealand, you can't
access your account, go on try it. If you don't
believe me, try it on there. You won't be able to.

(01:28:30):
You won't be able to. You've also and that's not
even the end of it. You've also heads up, got
twelve days to get your money out, and if you
don't get your money out by the fourteenth of this month,
your account is going to be suspended. Fortunately, there is
a number that you can call, which is a one
eight hundred number. Somebody told me in a panic today, Hey,
you can't even call a one eight hundred number from
New Zealander. You can. Don't worry. What you do is

(01:28:50):
you plus six one plus six one one eight hundred
and it goes through the answered, Hi, it's sports Bet.
I hung up on them. So anyway, if you can
get a hold of them, and if you can go
be bothered with kafuffle, you can get your money out.
But what I think is really interesting and funny haha
about this is that this was really well flagged day,
like we knew this was going to happen. Sports Bet

(01:29:11):
would have known this was gonna happen. It happened on Saturday.
Sports Bet only sent out the email this week, which
is to say, is it possible that sports Bet thought,
hang on, don't send that email. Don't send that email.
Wait wait now it's illegal. Now I can send the email.
Now they can't get their money. Did they do that?
I don't know. Call the number, you sort it your cash.
But the person who called me was like, I don't

(01:29:32):
have that much money. They're embarrassed. They were like, I
don't really gamble that much. I mean, it's just placing
bets on you know, political events, you know, because you
can bet on who's going to be the government. I
don't gamble that much. I was like, how much money
you got in there? Oh the round few hundred dollars.
I was like, oh, man, make the phone call.

Speaker 12 (01:29:47):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
Also, while we're at it can I just give a
shout out to somebody who I normally give quite a
hard time to, which is the grocery Commissioner. The grocery
Commissioner has actually issued his first warning. It's like a
half shout out to him, because a warning is nothing right.
A warning is a warning is me saying to the
three year old, if you do that again, I'm taking
your two pot lids that you call your symbols away

(01:30:09):
from you. That's a warning when it gets when it
gets crunch time is when you do take the potlids away.
And we haven't got that from peer the Grocery commissioner
just yet, but he has issued his first warning, so
it's better than what it was yesterday. The warning is
against food Stuff's North Island because a supplier has complained.
So it sounds like what has happened is allegedly is

(01:30:31):
that the supplier has asked has gone to food Stuff's
North Ireland allegedly and asked for a price increase, and
the supermarket has not put that price increase through. Instead,
what they've done is they've created allegedly a whole bunch
of barriers. They've said to the supply, oh you filled
out a form, but that was the wrong form. Yeah, oh,
you didn't give us enough information. You've got to provide
more information. And then started allegedly actively ignoring the supplier

(01:30:54):
as well. As you can see that that's frustrating the process.
In the end, something that was supposed to have happened
within the rules within thirty days ended up taking four months.
The Grocery Commissioner has warned food Stuff's North Island, don't
do that again. And if you do that again, I
will take further action and I will take your potlids
away from you. Now, that's what I want to see
from the Grocery Commissioner next time.

Speaker 11 (01:31:14):
To be fair, Heather, I think even if a helicopter
was landing right next to your house, it'd probably be
hard to hear it over the sound of the potlard symbol.

Speaker 4 (01:31:20):
Somehow, no, no is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
I think probably this is probably the problem is that
if you go to the parent of a toddler's house,
they're like a helicopter. Mate, that's outdoors. I've got a
helicopter indoors all day long, sixteen away from seven, Everything.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
From SMEs to the big corporates.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
The Business Hour with Heather duplicy Ellen and mass insurance
and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
Youth talks be thirteen away from seven. Our UK correspondent
is Gavin gray Hey, Gavin Hi there right. So this
business with Kirstarmer pretty embarrassing. But once it started, it continues,
doesn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:32:00):
Yes, it does. And this is the third climb down,
the third u turn that Sekir Starmer has done, just
coming up to the first anniversary of him becoming conservat
the leader of the UK, taking over from the Conservative government.
And this one was particularly messy, shambolic scenes in Parliament
with so many different amendments being rushed through and his

(01:32:23):
own MP saying I've never seen anything so silly in
my life. One of them said, they went off to
go and get a banana, came back and was asked
to vote on something. They didn't have a clue what
they were voting on. This is all about trying to
reform the benefits Bill in the UK.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
It is massive.

Speaker 24 (01:32:39):
It currently takes eleven percent of gross domestic product or
the total value of the economy each year. Last year,
spending on welfare was roughly three hundred and thirteen billion
pounds six hundred and forty billion New Zealand dollars and
it's set to get much bigger, increasing by about a
fifth over the next five years. So you know, Labour

(01:33:02):
was trying to sort this out. They said that they
needed to make these cuts, they made them, and then
they've decided that because the rebel was saying no, no, no,
this is not what we stand for. You've got to
think again or we'll vote against it, the government had
to change things and change things quickly. And now it
looks like that the ten billion New Zealand dollars that
they aimed to save will now not be saved. And

(01:33:24):
that's going to knock the Chancellor's forecasts off. And I
suspect we'll lead to tax cuts soon that tax rises,
I should.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
Say, ah, yep, most likely. I would imagine now what's
brought on these manslaughter changes against the's bosses?

Speaker 24 (01:33:40):
Yeah, very interesting. So Lucy let be the biggest multiple
murderer of young children here in the UK in modern history,
currently serving fifteen whole life sentences for the murder of
seven babies and the attempted murder of seven others while
she was a nurse working with children and babies as

(01:34:02):
a hospital in Chester. Now there have been lots and
lots of concerns about her conviction. Much of it was
based on the fact that she was always on shift
when the babies were actually either dead or put into
very grave danger, but of course that isn't direct evidence.
Some of the evidence as well was around what she
wrote in her diary saying she was an evil person,

(01:34:24):
but again no direct link to that. So there have
been plenty of questions about her conviction, and now it's
materialized that three of her former bosses have also been
arrested on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter. In other words,
bosses and the senior leadership team at the Countess of
Chester hospital where this happened between twenty fifteen and twenty

(01:34:46):
sixteen should have noticed a rise, it's alleged, in the
fatality rate in their maternity, in their baby unit, the
neo natal unit, and should therefore have done more to
stop it. So that charge or that your charge rather
a gross negligence manslaughter is all about were they doing
their job and did the fact that if they weren't

(01:35:07):
doing it properly, did that lead to the depths of
these babies? But quite a twist in this extraordinary case.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
Yeah, it is quite the twist. Hey, Gavin, I really
appreciate it. Thank you for your time, mate, look after yourself.
That's Gavin Gray, our UK correspondent right now. Nine away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
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Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Hey, really quickly, seven away from seven, really quickly. I'm
telling you this because I think this is going to
possibly become a thing, and certainly I've been keeping an
eye on it for a little bit. But this is
Hawks Bay Regional Council. There is a coroner's in quest
right now into the Cyclone Gabriel floods and so far
Hawks Bay Regional Council is not coming out of this
well because the Met Service has now told the coroner's

(01:35:50):
inquiry that met Service was planning on upgrading the weather
warning for Hawks Bay. This is before Cyclone Gabriel hit.
They wanted to do a red. They had it in
an orange to do a red, but apparently the regional
Council didn't want to. This is according to Met Services
Chief Meteorologist. How the timeline went is that on the
twelfth of February at ten by the cyclone hasn't hit yet.

(01:36:12):
Twelfth of February ten am they want to issue a
red warning. Hawks Bay Regional Council says no. The hydrologists
say they've got high confidence in their flood modeling. There's
no major concerns, there will not be floods. Don't worry
about it. So February February twelve, ten am they don't
do it. Next day, February thirteen, cyclone makes landfall quarter
past three in the afternoon. They can see this needs

(01:36:34):
a red, so they issue a red. They can't say
what exactly calls them to an issue a red, but
I think you could probably assume it's because the weather
was bad enough that evening overnight between the thirteenth to
the fourteenth, the rain is so heavy, there is so
much water in the Esk Valley, the flooding happens, the
banks are burst, blah blah blah. The rest is history.

(01:36:56):
Nineteen people lose their lives across Hawks Bay and all. Now,
I'm not saying that nineteen people lost their lives because
the Met Service did not issue a red warning. We
can't say that. But what we can say is that
the Hawks Bay Regional Council look so bad in this
situation because not only do we already know that they
did not issue any warnings on that evening, before the

(01:37:20):
lead up to that or when they could see that
there was problems with the banks, they didn't issue any
warnings and people were stuck on their rooms in x
Esque Valley. They should have issued a warning. But now
we find out that they actively tried to stop the
met Service by saying they didn't need to issue a
red warning the MET Service. So the whole thing is
just making these people look terrible. Keep an eye on
that because I think that I think they've got questions

(01:37:40):
to answer. Ants. Guess what, guess what? Guess what I
got advertised at me today?

Speaker 11 (01:37:45):
Ants it finally happened.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Yes, but actually not only like so specific. We finally
got an advert for a Mediterranean cruise with Viking. Hey,
that's who we were looking for. We got with the
bing gun.

Speaker 11 (01:38:00):
Got so you're saying that the phone recorded you saying
that two weeks ago, weeks ago now, and it didn't
get hit you at an ad then, but it waited
two weeks for you to.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Like, well, it took that long to get it through
like to fill to go back.

Speaker 11 (01:38:12):
To Zuckerberg and him to like, you know, cool, okay,
all right, well, oh yeah, I haven't left my position
that it could have probably put some other clues together
from your life, from your location and stuff like that
to guess that you might be vulnerable to a curree.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Pretty amazing. We did say Vikings Mediterranean Cruises, and now
I've got the ad.

Speaker 11 (01:38:28):
Okay, all right, I give up. What was that by
Lord to play us out tonight? At least if you
buy that cruise you will hopefully get to go on it.
Some Lord fans are having a bit of a problem
with that that if they've bought the new album Vergin
on CD, it comes. It's really cool, it's transparent, it's
got a really cool design on it. The problem is
it doesn't really play music. So there's been lots of

(01:38:49):
reports that trying to play it and a lot of
CD players it doesn't work because why well, the way
CDs work is that it reflects a laser back onto
something else and so if the CD is transparent, the
laser goes straight through and it can't read it. So, yeah,
cool design, and this isn't like a special edition. This
is the only CD you can buy. So yeah, great,
great design, great aesthetic. I just kind of wish that

(01:39:09):
the CD also did the thing that it's supposed to
do and play music.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Did Sam buy the CD?

Speaker 11 (01:39:13):
Sam did not. Sam's okay, he's got two vinyls vinyl right, well,
no it hasn't. He's got one vinyl and then one
vinyl and transit, so he's he's got one playable one
and one backup playable one, so he'll be okay.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
The Wood has definitely outperformed on storylines for this, hasn't then?

Speaker 11 (01:39:28):
Absolutely?

Speaker 10 (01:39:28):
Oh? Absolutely yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:39:30):
Quite happy for her to do another roblem, Lord Arrested, Lord.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
And the nud Lord's things that don't work. This is
the albums that don't work. So anyway, well done to you,
Lord with the pr see you tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
You still see me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
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