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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm not questions, answers, facts analysis.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
The Drive show you trust for the full picture.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Heather Duplessy on Drive with One New Zealand let's get
connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,
we're going to speak to Deborah Coddington, friend of Bob Jones.
There are also questions over Shortland Street's future. Now we've
got the details on this, we're going to explain and
we're going to talk to Bob John Barnett, who's a
former owner of South Pacific Pictures which makes Shorty Street
and the sports Tittle is with us at.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
The half past five, Heather Duplassy, Ellen, Well, that is very.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Sad news this afternoon that Bob Jones has passed away.
It is not altogether a surprise because Bob Jones was
getting on in age and he had actually been feeling
pretty unwell and slowing down quite a lot just over
the last couple of years at least. But still, and
even though these things happen, and you know they're going
to happen, it is the passing of a great and
colorful and larger than life character. Today. Now I can't

(00:57):
remember the first time that I met Bob Jones. I've
known him for close to twenty years. He was actually
the first person that I saw at my wedding on
my wedding day, but not for a good reason. It's
because he was leaving because I was late. I thought
it was a bride's prerogative, you got to stretch it
out as much as you possibly can. But I was
that late that he was so cross he was actually
walking out in protests. Fortunately I bumped into him on

(01:21):
my way in. He turned around and went back in,
and then there was there for the wedding. Afterwards, though,
he gave me a rundown of all the things that
he enjoyed and didn't enjoy about the wedding. Apparently could
have kept the champagne and cannopeys going for longer, could
have skipped the dinner. He gave some pretty unusual life advice.
I mean, he was not short of an opinion was here.
And the life advice that I remember most clearly and

(01:43):
which has proved to me bang on, is when I
was pregnant with my son. We had a dinner with
Bob one night, and he spent a very long time
telling me that my son would wear me out because
boys are energetic, and that if I had a girl
after the boy, I probably think there was something wrong
with her, and I might want it to take it,
might want to take her to the doctor, but there
would be nothing wrong with her because boys are just
more energetic than girls. And to bear that in mind,

(02:03):
and I am bearing that in mind. And of course
he's been proven right now, I know not everyone loves Bob.
Bob was a very polarizing character. I mean, he punched
a reporter interrupting his fishing. He launched a party to
run against Muldoon. He featured in countless court cases. He
didn't mind rubbing people up the wrong way. But he
had something that I think a lot of us could
learn from, and that was a wicked sense of humor.
He laughed a lot, he played pranks, He enjoyed mocking

(02:27):
things that he didn't like. He was incredibly wealthy, but
he was never pretentious. I mean, he grew up in
a state house in nine nine, after all, and he
was very very clever. I mean, you go away and
read anything that he's written, and you would wish that
you could write like him. Now, of all the people
that I know, I count myself lucky to have known
Bob Jones. He's the kind of person I think my

(02:47):
grandkids will ask me about one day. He's one of
those characters we seem to have had a lot of
in the seventies and eighties, but we don't seem to
make nowadays. And as someone else said today, New Zealand
is duller without.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Him ever due for see Allen two nine two.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Is the text number. Standard text fees apply now Napier.
Napier City Council has rejected a proposal to force bars
to close an hour earlier. They were going to close
all the bars at two am, but they've decided now
they're allowed to stay open until three am. At a
meeting the week this week, the council decided that was
what they were going to stick with. Richard McGrath is
a Napier City councilor and with us.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Now, hey Richard, there they're going.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
I'm very well, thank you. Why did you go for
three am?

Speaker 5 (03:25):
It's the status quo that we that we currently have
and there was nothing really presented to me and I
guess the other counselors to to change it.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
What about what about kids getting too boozed and causing trouble.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Yeah, will be evident. We certainly had evidence put in
front of us from police and health, but none of
it was to do with age. So it's hard to
tell if it was those young people causing the problem
or not.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Oh what did the health and the police say?

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Well it was they presented stats on times and days
in harm and incidents. But the stats show that in
one of our areas was that I think has two
licenses or alcohol licenses, it was almost as much harm
between ten and four in the morning as there was
in our Hararii suburb where our one nightclub is that

(04:17):
has up up to thirty licenses I believe in the area.
So there was no evidence. Was it the clubs or
the pubs causing the problem or the off licenses or
the home parties or that sort of thing in my view?

Speaker 4 (04:30):
So which is the pub? Just just this one pub
that's open to all three which is that?

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Yeah, it's called Rocksoff. That's our one nightclub that we've
got a nature that currently opens till three and they
do a great job.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
So at three am is a lot of dancing.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Going on, well, I assume, So I've asked my kids,
and that's what they tell me happens.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
There they so they go dancing.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
No they don't, I'm sure, but I could be proven wrong.
They're both boys energetic, but not that energy.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
So I saw you quoted as saying it's better for
the kids. But essentially it's better for the kids to
be in pubs than to be sitting at home playing PlayStation.
Is that what you mean?

Speaker 6 (05:09):
Oh very much.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
So you've got to learn about life, and there's more
to it than looking at a screen in front of you.
You've got to get out and talk to people, meet
people face to face, do that sort of thing. And
now if you've got a choice of having your kid
doing it in a studded, in an uncontrolled party, or
in a place I think the owner city had one
hundred and something cameras around the different bars. He's got

(05:31):
their for security staff, a sign and patron. I can't
remember what it was called, but you have to sign
in so they know who you are. And if you've
caused trouble in the past, all very controlled, Are you.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Like me, Richard? I would much. Look, you know, I
don't want I don't want my kids to go out
and get absolutely off their heads and hurt themselves. But
I feel like we're getting so worried about this stuff
now that we're denying kids the ability to have the
experiences that we had, and we're almost weirdly like pushing
them into their bedrooms to sit on sit on the
internet all night. And I don't want that.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Yeah, and at the end of the day, good people
should still be allowed to, you know.

Speaker 6 (06:08):
Live life.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
Yeah, you know what, everyone.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
That's is causing trouble. I mean right, I think this
place from what he presented to us one night, from
all the people who had scanned in, there were six
hundred people fronted and they're not all causing trouble? So
why should they all be told to go home? And
you know, miss the world.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
I agree with you, Richard, Thanks very much. I wish
that the count we had more of you on every
single council in this country, Richard McGrath and ab a
city councilor if every council had In fact, you know what,
I wonder how busy Richard is, because maybe we can
ask him if he could just join the coppers, the
alcohol team at the Coppers, because then they would stop
wasting there trying to shut down trying to shut down
all the bars. Listen, I've got some good news on
education for you.

Speaker 6 (06:48):
Now.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
You might recall last year Erica Standford, the Education Minister,
ordered all state schools to teach structured literacy in order
to try to get because our kids can't read right
and it's because we're doing stupid things like giving them
books with the word apple and a picture of apple
and we go, why do you think that's there? And
they got apple and we go, oh, my, guess you
can read. Or you could just look at a picture

(07:10):
of an apple. That's what just happened anyway. So as
a result, she was like, no, I'm going to sort
this out, structured literacy for all of you. And then,
of course the educator is the teacher. It's like, we
had a big cry about it. But guess what, it's working.
What a surprise. They've got some results coming out of Northland.
The Education Review Office is doing this like evaluation at
the moment for the next few years to see how
structured literacy is going in the country, and they've got

(07:31):
these results coming out of Northland and it looks like
it's going really well. Apparently half of teachers in Northland
say it has improved student engagement a lot. Three quarters
of teachers say that it's improved literacy for most students,
which means most students are now reading better. We will
get all of the full results in term three this year,
but so far looking good. Not as surprise to anyone

(07:55):
who already knew that structured literacy was going to be
a good thing. Quught a past.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
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Speaker 4 (08:07):
EV seventeen past four Jason Pine Weekend Sport hosters with
us Piney.

Speaker 7 (08:11):
Hello, Hello Heather.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
So the Blues versus the Force tonight, who's going to win?

Speaker 6 (08:16):
Well?

Speaker 8 (08:17):
I think the Blues probably have to win if they
have any realistic ambitions of defending their title. They've been
pretty ordinary, really. They started off with just one win
in their first six. Then they started to come right,
a couple of wins in a row, but losses to
the Crusaders, and last week the Reds are pretty uninspiring.
The last one in their favor the Force, the Drewer
Mowanna Pacifica and the war Retars. That's their running, which

(08:39):
doesn't seem particularly onerous. No New Zealand Derby's there apart
from the Mowana PACIFICA game, they're going to have to
get a riggle on. I think they'll make the six.
Beyond that, can they win three big games in a
row to defend their title? Well, the current form would
suggest probably not.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
What's wrong with the Blues? What's going wrong?

Speaker 8 (08:54):
It's such an interesting question. They've missed a couple of players.
Boden and Bart's been out for a while. He always
improves them. He's back tonight, he wasn't there last week.
They've I just think they relied heavily on what worked
for them last year and it just hasn't worked as well,
anywhere near as well for them this year, whether the
teams have worked them out or the game has moved on.
It's a lot more expansive now, the game is sped up.

(09:16):
That doesn't help the forward driven play of last year.
A few reasons there. Look, I still think they've got
enough good players. Still think they'll make the six. Just
don't know whether they'll win the whole thing again.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Okay, now tell me about the Warriors. What are you
expecting here? I mean the Warriors would have to beat
the Cowboys, wouldn't.

Speaker 8 (09:32):
They, Well, the Cowboys are in good form. That's the
caveat there. They lost their first three games of the season,
the Cowboys, but they've won their last four, so they
are in a bit of a run of form. Having
said that, so the Warriors, after the loss of the
Storm two good wins over the Broncos and the Knights.
If they do win tomorrow night in Magic Ground whither,
they would have gone six and two to start the
season six wins, two losses. That will be their best

(09:53):
ever eight game start to a season in their history.
So we're starting to talk about a team that is,
you know, really on the right track. Look, I've done
a bit of reading, and people think, well, they haven't
really absolutely blowing teams away. I'm not sure that's necessarily important.
I think if you get the win, then that's the thing.
I think we'll find out a lot about them tomorrow
night in Magic Round at Sun Court, when they take

(10:15):
on a Cowboys team that, as I say, some pretty
good form. I think if they do not ch up
another win, then we can perhaps start talking about twenty
twenty five being pretty special.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Say it? Oh yeah, Heather, Yeah, okay, thank you. I
feel like we're obliged to nowadays. Jason Pine, thanks very much.
Weekend Sport hosts will be back midday tomorrow and Sunday
here on news Talk z Ebt.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Heather do for see Ellen.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Okay, so Shortland Street, we've got to talk about Shortland Street.
So Shortland Street has lost its head writer, a woman
called Jessica joy Woods. She's headed off to the UK.
Now that's a big loss for Shortland Street, right, This
is like that the head writer is a really big
position in a place like this. Anyway, it got us
thinking because we have been hearing something. So we've made

(10:58):
some calls and it would see that there is a
little bit of trouble in Shortland Street at the moment.
We've been told now by a number of sources that
all of the staff on Shortland Street have basically their
contracts running out sometime in June, possibly at the end
of June, and after that we do not know what
happens to Shortland Street. Now you will be if you
feel like this is a bit of deja vous. This

(11:18):
is because there's been an axe hanging over to Shortland
Street for a little bit. Now it's gone from five
nights a week to three nights a week, and there's
been some speculation as to what happens next. So this
is what we could tell you. Put in some calls
TV and so we've asked TV and ZED right we're
hearing the staff have been let go. They're not going
to be there from July. What's going on. TV and
Z will not confirm that Shortland Street will be back

(11:39):
on our screens next year. They told us it hasn't.
They haven't canceled Shortland Street and they're working through plans
for what it might look like, but they can't confirm
it will be there. Also, what is important here is
that Shortland Street last year applied for some New Zealand
on air money, right, so they've got a bit of
government money to be able to make the show, got
about three million bucks. It doesn't appear that they have

(12:01):
reapplied for this money. We asked Evan said, did you
apply for this money? Have you asked for this money
again in order to make it next year? They will,
They haven't replied to that. They will not reply to
that question. So John Bunnette is a chap who used
to own South Pacific Pictures. South Pacific Pictures being the
company that makes Shortland Street for TV. In said he
is also hearing all this stuff. He's going to be
with us after five o'clock and give us some insight
as to what exactly is going on here for twenty two.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Moving the big stories of the day forward.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Or it's hither, dupers and drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected news dogs'd be there's not a lot
of love on.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
The text for Shortland Street, Heather, Shortland Street is currently
the worst program on TV. It's horrific. That's from Caine.
Hither the Shortland Street doctors should go on strike as well.
Here the please be gone Shortland Street. Hither it's sad
for Shortland Street stuff, but jeez, that show is rubbish. Honestly,
I had to. I've basically written that rewritten that entire

(12:56):
text for you to take the swear words out because
that person feels very strongly about it. Hither, I've been
an a watcher of Shortland Street for years and years
than you look as a disaster that completely lost me. Anyway,
we'll get you the detail. You might not have to
wait that long, but the sounds of things for it
to be gone twenty five past four. Now we're gonna
go listen the case of the Mushroom Chef over in Australia.
The trial is obviously kicked off this week and it

(13:16):
has been somewhat fascinating. We're gonna go to Australia at
about quarter past five just get a rap of everything
that we've learned this week, just so we can catch
up on it, because this is the kind of thing
that is absolutely I don't know if you were aware
of it captivating the world. The BBC's there and everybody's
there watching the thing. Hither on Bob Jones, So put
that in your diary quarter past five, heither on Bob
Jones and Icon gone. Thank god, we still have Winston

(13:39):
to give us a few laughs, but still not the
measure of Sir Bob. Do you know what I mean though?
When I say it feels like it was the heyday
of characters in the seventies and eighties and you had
all of these larger than life characters who are now,
you know, getting on in their years and I don't know,
I mean can I've been kind of scratching my brain
thinking about it, you know, reaching into the recesses to

(14:02):
try to think who are the characters nowadays who would
kind of fit into the mold of a Sir Bob
Jones or a Winston Peters who don't really care what
you think and are just out to have a good
time and you know, color the world a little bit.
And I can't think of anybody in this country. I mean,
correct me if I'm wrong, you send me a text
nine two ninet two with some suggestions like I feel
like maybe Matt Heath and Jeremy Wells kind of went

(14:25):
down that direction. But even they've squared up lately, haven't they.
I mean, Matt's a grown up now, he's on news
talk said, but this is the kind of thing like
here's an example, Okay, this is the kind of thing
that Bob Jones used to do. He went on Jeremy
Wells's show back in the day eating media lunch and
complained about women drivers.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
They are causing havoc in New zalen.

Speaker 9 (14:42):
It's a very peculiar thing to New Zealand woman that
they drive in the right hand lane, they get alongside
someone on a left hand lane and they won't budge.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
We're told by insurance companies and ads that the women
are say the drivers, women have less actions insurance.

Speaker 9 (14:56):
That's where statistics can go wrong. Women don't have accidents,
they just cause them.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
I mean, come on, yep, he's not wrong, is he?
Is he wrong? I mean I can say that, you
probably can't say that. And that's the problem. Who would
be brave enough to say this kind of thing? Nowaday,
just have a bit of a laugh about it. Do
you remember a few years ago when Bob Jones was
sued for defamation or whatever it was. He'd been called
a racist and I don't know, I can't remember. Did
he sue for deformation? I don't know, anyway, the defamation case?

(15:21):
And you remember he went into court and forgot in
air quotes, forgot his hearing aids, and so he had
to put the court He ended up putting the court
microphone into the court thing into his ears, and he
had that big bobble on his head, which was like
receiving the noise and then transporting it. Do you remember that?
That's the kind of thing he did just to wind
people up? Isn't that brilliant? Headlines next.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's
hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get
news talks.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
There's a beautiful things that I've got.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Right.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
We've got Thomas Coglin standing by in the press gallery
at Parliament. He'll be with us in ten minutes time.
Damage and scene out of the US or Mike Waltz
losing his job, because that's clearly what's happened here. I've
got some good I've gotta be honest, got some reasonable suggestions.
Leo mlloy, Yeah, it's not a bad way smart. He's
very clever and he doesn't care what you think. And

(16:35):
he also does some pretty crazy things, doesn't he. I
feel like the difference between Leo mlloy and Bob Jones
as while both of them are clever and don't care
what you think, somehow Leo just feels like it's just
you just worry. You worry, don't you. You're like, is
this actually? Are you sober? That's what you worry about
with Leo, isn't it? Shane Jones I agree with that

(16:57):
there is an element of the old Bob. There is
a bit of element of the old Bob Jones to
the old Shane Jones kim dot Com. Absolutely not. No,
take that one away. Paul Henry. Yes, I feel like
what I'm sad about with Paul Henry though, is I
think he's got all of those characteristics and just think
you don't hear enough of him really to enjoy it nowadays.
Hither the problem is everyone's afraid of getting canceled nowadays,

(17:18):
and bang on, that's exactly the problem. Twenty three away
from five, it's.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
The world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
US National Security Advisor and Signal Group Chat enthusiast Mike
Waltz has been sacked or possibly just kicked upstairs. He'll
move into a new role as a UN ambassador. Secretary
of State Marco Rubia will take over as National Security
Advisor on an interim basis. A State Department spokesperson was
doing a press conference right when the news came out,
and she was a bit caught a bit off guard.

(17:46):
It is clear that I just heard this from you.

Speaker 10 (17:51):
I had this.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
Is that the magic well, I have some insights as
to the potential of sure things that might happen, whatever
that means. A massive spill of metal debris has shut
down one of Australia's busiest highways now. Sharp bits of
metal fell off the back of a truck onto the
M one north of Sydney this morning and then shredded
hundreds of cars hires. The New South Wales Roads Minister

(18:15):
says cleaning the spell up has been pretty tricky. It's
very challenging because the small pieces of metal are very
hard to pick up. If you imagine it's like trying
to hoover up the highway. It's very difficult. We are
getting some assistance with magnetic material that will just start
to collect that. And finally, a psychic crocodile has predicted

(18:38):
that Peter Dutton in the Coalition will surprise us all
and be victorious in the Aussie election tomorrow. Speckles is
his name. Speckles, the psychic saltwater croc lives in a
wildlife park in Darwin. And what they did was they
presented them with two bits of meat and one bit
had a photo of Elbow on it and the other
one had a photo of Dutton on it, and he
chose to eat the Dutton steak. And the thing that's
special about this is that back in twenty twenty two

(19:00):
he ate the Elbow Steak, and Elbow went on to
win the election, So you know, figure it out.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Dan Mittens and US corresponding with US Now Hello Dan,
Hello Heather. No one believes that this is a promotion
for Mike Waltz.

Speaker 8 (19:17):
Do they.

Speaker 11 (19:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (19:19):
No, no, when you were just saying, kick him up
to the post of US Ambassador to the United Nations
right now, because the President has said he's worked hard
to put our nation's interest first. I just think the
President didn't want to fire this guy publicly and have
his critics come down on him. And you know, in
all honesty, I mean, this is the first major shakeup
we've seen from the administration during this round, and it

(19:40):
comes after his first one hundred days in office, and
shakeups like this they're not unusual in a new administration.
But you know, this one has been coming I think
for some time, based on what we know and after
he got caught up in that whole signature chat thing
back in March.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Yeah, but what is it that's like what happened in
the last twenty four hours or the last week to
prompt this I don't know.

Speaker 12 (20:01):
That's one thing that we're trying to wait to see.
Because if you go back and you look at the
media cycle, just a couple of days ago, the President
was saying he wasn't going anywhere, you know, that he
had a lot of faith in him, and then all
of a sudden he gets this quote promotion, and then
he brings in Marco Rubio now to fill this job
along with the current job that he has right now,
and they're calling this. At first it was going to

(20:23):
be a temporary Now they're saying it's open ended.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
So we don't know what has open ended.

Speaker 12 (20:30):
The Marco Rubio taking over from Waltz's job right now,
and he'd be the first I'm sorry, yes, the first
person I think since Kissinger to hold both Secretary of
State and National Security Advisor at the same time. So,
I mean, you know, if I were Elon Musk, I'd say, hey,
this is a great way to consolidate two positions in
a one.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
How is the Post Office helping Trump with the deportations?
What is this data it's.

Speaker 12 (20:54):
Collecting, Well, they're collecting personal information from custom which is
something that is you know, drawing a lot of concern
right now trying to track down these undocumented immigrants. The
Washington Post came out this. What they're saying is they're
working with the Homeland Security Department, which is using you know,

(21:14):
the IP and shipping data and addresses and other data
to track down these migrants, and there's been a number
of sources who have come forward down They say that
they're doing this in part because the Trump administration is
considering privatizing the USPS, so they're trying to get on
the president's good side. Interesting, well, it is because, I mean,

(21:39):
they do have an inspection service that does investigate crimes
involving the mail service, like trafficking and mail fraud, but
they don't generally do anything like enforcement outside of it.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
The way that this is being framed, it sounds like
the volunteered to do this rather than being asked to
do it. Is that what's up?

Speaker 12 (21:56):
Well, you know how that's saying words matter, they do,
and that's what it sounds like right now. I think
they're trying to dance around those words very carefully at
the moment right now because a lot of this information
that they're getting supposedly to they're doing what they call
mail covers which can take pictures of the outside of
envelopes and other packages without technically going inside. But you're
still invading that person's privacy by selling that information.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Now, listen, Apparently staying in is the new social normal.
How do we know.

Speaker 12 (22:22):
This, Well, there's a study that came out and actually
this surprises me because all we talked about was getting
out during the whole pandemic, didn't we for about four years?
And now they're finding the three quarters of Americans would
rather stay home with friends than go out, and only
maybe twenty twenty five percent say they'll go out for
social activities. And we're looking at sort of what's behind this,
this home body revolution? And I guess cost is playing

(22:44):
a big role. You know, fifty percent of people are saying,
you know, it's just too expensive to go out, but
everybody else is saying, you know what, I can hear
conversations better, I can avoid crowded places. I like to
control my environment. I don't like to get dressed up.
And the comfort factor ranks the highest. I think sixty
five percent of people said they just feel better socializing
if they're in their own surroundings at home.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Okay, now, did they say staying home with friends and
staying home by themselves.

Speaker 12 (23:11):
Well, it's it's basically staying in their own If they
can invite somebody into their own place, they're fine with that.
But the comfort factor right now is the you know,
of just being there by themselves saying, you know what,
I'll be there with my spouse or whomever right now.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
I think this is seasonal because you guys are coming
out of a cold bit, right You're coming out of
your winter. So is it maybe a reflection of that.

Speaker 7 (23:34):
I don't know if it is.

Speaker 12 (23:35):
To tell you the truth, I quite honestly think, you know,
circling back to the pandemic thing, I think we just
got a lot more comfortable be on our own and
I think you know we you know, streaming services, I
mean more people has started doing puzzles and and home
crafts and stuff like that, and I think we just
sort of looked around at what we were working for
so hard and saying, well, why don't we just stay
here and enjoy it?

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Dan, thank you appreciate it. That's Dan Mitchison. Now you
as correspondent. This, I'll tell you what this is. This is,
this is a thing in my marriage. This is the
thing in my marriage. So my husband likes to stay home.
He loves having but remember he had his heyday in
the nineteen eighties. And in the nineteen eighties, I everybody
had a dinner party.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (24:13):
It's like, as a third fashionable, have your Laura Ashley out,
have a pepper out for dinner. You know what I mean?
You get half the good wine shore Off a seller.
That kind of thing. Bob would have been there. Bob
Jones one hundred percent would have been at some of
those dinner parties anyway. So that for him is like
the height of an evening's entertainment is having people in
and dear God, it drives me nuts. Like I cannot

(24:37):
tell you how frustrating this is for me. You're getting
a lot of energy from me on this because I'm
feeling a lot of energy on this. All I want
is to go out. So we give completely different different
views of what a fun night is. And can I
tell you why, Because if you have people around to
your house, you end up cleaning up, don't you who
ends up cleaning up? Oh that's right, mate, because I'm

(24:57):
the lady, so I'm ending up cleaning up that is
not a time to me. I don't understand why people
think throwing a dinner party at home is a great idea,
because do the maths on this. People. If you think
about how much money you're spending on supplying the wine,
the food. I have done this, Okay, I've calculated this
pen If you actually do the numbers, by the time
you spend all the money on feeding people, you could

(25:20):
basically all go out to dinner for the same amount
of money. But the benefit of going out to dinner
is Number one, you don't have to do the dishes.
Somebody else is going to do the dishes for you
at the end of the night, right, so you get
to walk away. It's nice to leave it dirty, walk away.
The other thing is you're not there trying to be
the hostess with the most desks, keeping everybody happy, and
not having a good night yourself and sitting down. If
you'll go out to dinner, you're sitting on your butt

(25:40):
and enjoying it. Aren't you worth everybody else? And number
three kill a reason. If you're out to dinner, nobody's
getting drunk and shouting at each other loudly, but their
political opinions and keeping the babies away. Do you see
where I'm going with this? So if I was doing
that study, if they came to me, if the one
that Dan Mitchinson's talking about, and they were like, would
you like to go out or in? I would have
shouted so loudly go out, would have drowned out everybody

(26:03):
else who said stay in Quarter two.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us. Hey, Thomas, Thomas,
can you hear me?

Speaker 7 (26:16):
Hello me? Sorry about that?

Speaker 4 (26:18):
No, no technical difficulty on our on our part, Thomas. Listen,
have we had any political reaction to the news that
sir Bob has passed away?

Speaker 7 (26:25):
Yes? Yes, so the Prime Minister Christopher Luxon paid tribute
to Jones. He's in Terneden today. Luxon described him as
a as a living legend, which was a bit of
a slight faux power I think on Luckston's part, but
did pay pay tribute to him as a as a
as a businessman and even even Chris Hepkins. Obviously Jones
and his later later years no fan of of of

(26:48):
the Labor government in several ways, but described him as
He said there was no doubt that Jones left an
indentation on the political political landscape and described him as
a colorful character, never short of and opinion and actually
luxon as well. Praise the acerbic wit that Jones had
and and yes he was certainly hadn't acerbic wit. I
enjoyed reading his blog for my part.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Did you read no punches pulled?

Speaker 7 (27:12):
I didn't know. I didn't know. I read not the
book I did that. I think that was also the name.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Of the Yeah, yeah, are you reading this Thomas?

Speaker 7 (27:20):
It was a while ago. I don't think it's been
updated very recently as I started.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
This is the thing, This is what shocks me is
I went to have a look at it today and
the most recent posting was something like mid April.

Speaker 7 (27:31):
So yeah, as recently as.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
About two and a half weeks ago he was still
And the latest one which tickled me, pink was the
working from home rackets by public Servants. I thought, I've
got hive mind with sir Bob. I agree with him entirely.
Now Chris Hopkins doesn't want to have the sea beard mining.
What's going on here?

Speaker 6 (27:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (27:49):
Interesting this one? I mean labors Labor's in a bit
of a bind on on some of these fast trak issues.
Obviously one of these, one of the fast track issues
is a sea bed mining proposal. It's in a bye
because they have big spending ambitions, big economic growth ambitions,
and eventually the money has to come from somewhere. Seabed
mining is one of these areas where there could be

(28:10):
could be a lot of benefit in it for New Zealand,
but obviously Labour's environmental kind of base is very opposed
to it. Greenpeace was keen to get Chriss Sipkins and
Labor to take a position on it, and they did
that today with with Hepkins saying I think it actually
a New Plymouth that that that label was against it.
It's an interesting one obviously New Plymouth. I think for

(28:31):
maybe ten or fifteen years, New Plymouth had one of
the highest regional GDPs in New Zealand per capita because
of the oil and gas industry and it was very,
very prosperous thanks to that, and obviously has had an
impact with the oil and gas or exploration band that
Labor did last time they were in government. Labor does

(28:51):
risk making that mistake again if it says no to
all of these environmentally you know, admittedly you know, not
not environmentally great projects, but they are. They do bring
a lot of wealth creation and a lot of jobs
to regional New Zealand, so they're definitely going to buy
in there. It will be interesting to see whether there's
any blowback from this decision.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Is the point of this basically to scare away the investment?

Speaker 7 (29:15):
I mean, I wouldn't there is, I think I'm not.
I couldn't speak for Labor on that. I do remember
that the Greens have said and the Maori Party you've
said that fast track projects that have gone through the
fast track scheme if if they do not agree with
the way that they have been fast tracked, if they

(29:36):
do not agree with the decision, then they could they
could use their own sort of anti fast track to
revoke those consents via parliament, And that obviously would that
would scare away investment because if you're an investor wanting
to put money somewhere, and a and an alternative government
is sitting in Parliament saying well, look, if you get
your consents, we're just going to pass the bill and
get rid of them, then you're not then you're not
going to do it, are you. I'm not sure about labor,

(29:57):
but certainly the Marori Party and the Greens have have
raised the specter of this.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
So making it hard to invest in this country. Hey, Thomas,
thanks you very much. Well, we'll read the political week
that was with you about called past six Thomas Coblin,
the Herald's political editor. It's eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Putting the time questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking
breakfasts back.

Speaker 13 (30:17):
To this business of our economic aims.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
At Chief Economy Sharon Zolna is back with us. All
these companies that are abandoning guidance now because they have
no idea what's going on? Does that make life more
difficult for us?

Speaker 6 (30:26):
All?

Speaker 10 (30:26):
Well, and it does make it more difficult for them.

Speaker 6 (30:28):
And John's coat and in the actual direct tariff on our.

Speaker 10 (30:30):
Ten twelve percent of very sports really a good experts
that's not a game changer for the economy, but for
some individual companies of course it's a very big deal.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
But the main channel through which John could be effected
the slower growth, including in China at the support partners
and texting our commodity classes and exports more generally. But
also that's Confidence Channel.

Speaker 9 (30:50):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk z.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
B five away from five.

Speaker 11 (30:57):
Here.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
If you have a dinner party at home, you get
to cheer who's the music, you get to choose the food,
and your ten steps away from your bed. Now, this
is a good this is a good point, Paul. But
the trouble is you can't go to bed until everybody
else has got out the door. And this is the
difficulty that you run into because sometimes you're like, right,
I'm ready for bed, But how do you politely tell
Tony who's fallen asleep at the table? Because that happens

(31:18):
to me as well. That sometimes happens you have the
dinner party and then one of themse is so drunk.

Speaker 14 (31:22):
And a few bars have like jukebox apps and stuff
now as well, so you can pick the music in someplace.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
You can find yourself a good Irish bar and just
you know, find the jukebox, do that kind of stuff,
and sometimes they don't even care if you fall asleep
inside the bar. So it's basically the same. It's like
a similar home similar to home experience. What about this?
Never go to Darren's house for a dinner party, Heather.
You buy the meat and salads and have everything indisposable
containers as well as disposable plates and cutlery, and as

(31:49):
soon as everyone has finished, you just go to bed.
No driving anywhere. It's so much simpler and just means
an extra couple of bags of rubbish. So Darren would
have it that you come around to my dinner and
then I've got a paper plate there like it's some
sort of a kiddy's birthday party, a little bamboo and
of course I'm not going to have disposable plastic knives
and forks, because you know, I care about the environment,

(32:09):
so it's going to be bumble for you. But imagine
if you sit down and make you cut your seat
with one A Darren, stop it. I hope that's not
how you're rolling with things. Listen, Ferrari is winding people up.
I don't know if you've caught up on this, but
Ferrari's unveiled what its cars are going to look like
for the Miami Grand Prix this weekend, and they haven't
gone for the all red. They've put some blue and
white in to be like yay. Hewlett Packard is sponsoring us,

(32:33):
and let me tell you, the fans are not loving it.
They are absolutely dumping on this big time. Apparently it's
the equivalent of sticking a pineapple on a pizza, like
a big no no. It's also going to flip them
out that the drivers are in blue outfits, so that
won't be fun for them. Middle Anyway, the sports Huddle
is going to be with us after half past five.

Speaker 7 (32:52):
I mind a Hawaiian pizza personal here there.

Speaker 14 (32:54):
If anyone comes to one of my pizza parties, I'll
be putting pineapple on the pizza.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Jeez, at ats his house. You're getting a plastic cup,
you're getting paper plates.

Speaker 14 (33:02):
I'm not showing up for the bamboo.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
No, not the bamboo, you're getting the plaster. In fact,
you're probably fingering your food and then okay, he's giving
you just a slice of pizza, little bit of pineapple
on it as well. Listen, I've got a treat for you.
We're going to talk about the Minister of Women because
you know I'm coming for this role. Ah, I'm on
a campaign now, so we're going to deal with that
later on. I'll explain news is next, and then Deborah
Coddington on Bob.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Jones digging through the spin to find the real story. Boring,
it's hither dupery on drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
That'd be.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Afternoon sad news this afternoon. So Bob Jones, one of
the characters of New Zealand business and politics, has died
at the age of eighty five.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
Now.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
He died peacefully at his Wellington home, surrounded by family
after a brief illness, and one of his longtime friends
is former act MP Deborah Coddington. Who's with us?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Now?

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Hey, Deborah, yea, how are you? I'm very well? Thank you. Now, Bob,
Bob actually introduced you to your husband, didn't.

Speaker 15 (34:05):
He He did? He match made us, Yes, that's right
he did.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
Yep.

Speaker 15 (34:11):
And then when it was all going well and we
decided to get married, he wanted to be the bridesmaid. Well,
that was never going to.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Happen if you had let him. Do you think he
would have.

Speaker 15 (34:22):
I'm not sure. Actually he was. He could be quite reverent.
Well that's the wrong word, of course, because he always
said God was prancing around in a ny And now
he'll be able to find out if he ever gets
up to heaven, which I very much doubt. But he
people who watched him at our very small wedding ceremony

(34:43):
said he was. He had a beautific smile on his face,
so he was well pleased with the result.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Did you know that he was unwell in the last
few weeks.

Speaker 15 (34:52):
Yes, I was told in the latter stages that he
was gravely unwell, and I was quite shocked, because, you know,
we always thought got Bob was going to live forever
he was. He was always saying he was near death.
He said, how are you, Bob. I'm ifing dying, mate,
I'm dying, you know, I'm really ill, and I'm going
to give up drinking. I'm just drinking beer and sherry

(35:13):
at the moment, you know, as if that wasn't alcohol.
But he always looked, you know, it's very good looking
in his younger days. I think I met him when
I was about eighteen or nineteen, but he was very
good looking in those days. But then he, you know,
he in gressingly had those bags under his eyes. Incidentally,
he would actually hate us, saying it's very sad. He'd say, oh,

(35:35):
get over yourself here, you know, it's not sad.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
People die, People die every day. He was a realist,
wasn't it. He always I mean, he always tried to
find the funny, the funny side of things, to the
point that he would actually sometimes do it himself or
play the pranks and stuff. You once wrote about him,
Jones entertains anyone who isn't boring or pretentious. What did
you mean by that?

Speaker 15 (35:56):
He once said to me that he found men more
bored than women, because I think men. A lot of
men took him too seriously. You could not take what
he said too seriously.

Speaker 9 (36:09):
You know.

Speaker 15 (36:09):
He was always throwing insults at you, wasn't he. He
would say things like oh, he would just he would
insult me all the time, and you just had to
laugh it off because sometimes they would sound quite cruel.
I mean I was thinking. I kept thinking of all
the all the things he did, you know. I mean

(36:29):
people called him a racist. Well, you know, his first
his eldest two children a Mai, and his youngest three
children are Laotian, and I didn't see him discriminate against
any of those. He could be quite sexist, he would say.
He would say terrible sexist things to me, like, you know,
when you're getting out of his carriage, say, oh, come on,

(36:50):
you know women can't get out of cars.

Speaker 9 (36:52):
Look at you.

Speaker 15 (36:53):
You just take ages to get.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Out of the women can't drive as well.

Speaker 15 (36:56):
Women can't drive. No, women can't drive. And he but
that was just Bob. That was the way he was.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
But I mean, you know, obviously as time has gone on,
people have increasingly found him offensive because we've obviously got
more and more thin skinned. How do you think he's
going to be remembered. Will he be remembered in the
way that the young people now see him, which is
this terrible racist and all these other things. Or will
he be remembered as the big, outspoken, very clever character

(37:24):
that he was.

Speaker 15 (37:27):
I think it's a pity that those people didn't know
the Bob that you and I knew, the very well
read Bob, the Bob who was enormously intelligent and k
you're a lot about world affairs, world politics, all of
that sort of thing. He was a very good writer,
a lot of those early books, Letters from Bob Jones,

(37:48):
that little novella he wrote, The Permit, which was very
insightful about how the government can go too far. That
court case he took all the way to the Privy
Council that he won when he and lawfully detained by
the police when he was taking his children to the airport,
and he said he took that case because he could

(38:10):
afford to when a lot of people who would be
detained by the police on the side of the road
and left there would not be able to afford to
do that. Bob was very generous with his money. He
did that scholarship for refugees to study at university, which
a lot of them have graduated. There are a lot
of those things that people didn't see and didn't know

(38:31):
about him. Now if you could ignore a lot of
the yes, offensive stuff that he said and look past
that to see what was underneath. The State House boy
from nine I who ended up is leaving a legacy
of several billions. Think of all the GST that he's

(38:51):
put into the New Zealand economy. He didn't become a
taxi exile. He didn't go off shore like a lot
of other billionaires who I won't name did, and then
from London or wherever they settled. Carped on about what
a useless education system we have, a useless health education system.

Speaker 7 (39:09):
We have well, a lot of.

Speaker 15 (39:10):
Bob's GST has gone into helping our state system here
and a lot of people have ignored that and just
thrown darts at him. And you know, okay, they didn't
get a chance to note him, but they could have
read his books and cut them a bit of slack.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Yeah to a right, Debrah, thank you so much, Really
appreciate your time and best wels. Debraah Coddington, former act
MP and friend of Sir Bob Jones.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Heather Dooper c l Oh.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
There's speculation tonight that Shortland Street might not be coming
back next year now. Shortland Street has lost its head writer,
Jessica Joywood to the UK, and we understand other staff
have also been told to find new jobs too. So
we asked TVNZ today if Shorty Street will return next year.
They wouldn't confirm that it would. They would only say
it's not canceled and we are working through plans for
what twenty twenty six might look like now. John Barnett

(39:58):
owns South Pacific Pictures, which is company that makes Shortland
Street for TVs, owned it for twenty five years and
is with us. Now, Hey John, Hi, how are you? Andrey?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Well?

Speaker 7 (40:06):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Do you think it's back next year.

Speaker 6 (40:10):
Well, I don't know. I mean if tv and said
said they're not sure, I guess the decisions there is.
It'll be a shame if it isn't. But there don't
appear to be assurances at the stage if you okay.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
So what we've also heard is that contract staff contracts
run out at the end of June. Have you also
heard this?

Speaker 6 (40:34):
Yes, I think that a number of people who were
on staff have been advised that they would be contractors
going forward, as opposed to continuous staff. Because you know,
the show was a five day a week, fifty week

(40:56):
a year production, so people were actually they were four
years of the company, and I think that the change
that tvm Z made with going three days a week
on air meant that there wasn't fifty weeks production required,

(41:17):
and so people have been contracted, which is more usual
in the screen industry as flexible.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Is it possible? One way of looking at it is.
One way of speculating is that this is all over
and it's not coming back. But an alternative is that
the end of the contracts mean that they are able
to let the stuff go and scale back from a
five day a week show two or three day a
week or two day a week show for the future.
Which of the two is more likely?

Speaker 6 (41:46):
Well, certainly I think the summary is right, but as
to whether it was three or two, I don't know.
I mean, they've had to make changes in the way
that they've presented the show as they've moved to three days,
and more of it takes place in the hospital and
less of it is about the life of New Zealand,
which is what engaged people. But viewing habits have changed

(42:09):
so much, and audiences have changed, and the demands on
the audience to come in at seven o'clock every night
are quite tough. In the meantime, you can see that
actually going to three days a week has not been
nearly as profitable for TV two as being on as

(42:31):
I must see every night, five nights a week.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Okay, So if I had to ask you to put
money on the fact that it comes back next year,
what would you do?

Speaker 6 (42:40):
I look the other way, I think at the moment.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
John, thank you. I appreciate your time this John Barnett,
film and television producer. Obviously you stown the company that
made Shortan Street sixteen past five. Hey, Although we've said
goodbye to summer. It doesn't mean we also have to
say goodbye to the refreshing flavors that we get in summer,
do we? Because Bunderbee, the legendary brewers of the iconic
Bunderberg Ginger Beer, are coming out with a brand new
low sugar range which is called Refreshingly Light Sparkling Drink Range. Now,

(43:08):
these things come in three flavor combos, so I think
you will agree sound absolutely delicious. Raspberry and pomegranate, apple
and light chet lemon and watermelon plus and this is
the good. But they are low on sugar, no artificial
sweetness flavors or colors. They're made from real fruit and
each can only has twenty calories. And what's interesting is
that this new range has been craft brewed for three days. Now.
That sounds like a long time, but it actually makes

(43:30):
sense because it's three days to lock in all those
incredible flavors. And honestly, you wouldn't expect anything less from Bunderberg,
would you. They care about making stuff that just tastes good,
simple as that. So to taste Bunderberg's new Refreshingly Light
Sparkling Drink Rage, head to the most major supermarkets now
Heather Duplessiella Heather. Hasn't been mentioned that Bob Jones donated

(43:51):
huge amounts of money to women's refuge. It's not bad
for an apparent sexist day, Trevor, thank you. You need
to know that information. Twenty past five. Now, the first
week in the murder trial against Mushroom Cook Aaron Patterson
is wrapped up. She's accused of feeding her ex's parents
and sister a poisoned beef Wellington Herold's son. Reporter Brooke
Grebert Craig hosts the podcast The Mushroom Cook, and she's

(44:11):
been in cook the court this weekend is with us. Now, hey, Brook,
Hi there, how are you very well? Thank you? Now,
I understand you guys have got a huge amount of
international interest. Is that right?

Speaker 16 (44:21):
Yes, there's been so much media attention down in Regional Victoria,
which is in Australia.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
There's just so much.

Speaker 16 (44:29):
Media down here. It's been quite a wellwind.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
How has Aaron Patterson been acting in court?

Speaker 16 (44:35):
Yes, so, Erin's been sitting in the dock every day
and she's been listening to the evidence. So she has
a screen in front of her. So when all the
exhibits come up, she's been looking at them. On the
first day, she wore a pink and white shirt, and
yet she's just been kind of changing her clothes each
day now.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Earlier this week we heard that her strange husband declined
the invitation for that lunch, right, and that you got
really really upset about that. Tell us a little bit
more about that. That seems quite material.

Speaker 16 (45:02):
Yeah, So the court heard that Simon declined the invite
a day before the July twenty nine lunch. He sent
Aaron a text and said that he was too uncomfortable
to attend. The jury heard that Aaron replied and said
that she was disappointed that he wouldn't be coming because
she spent a small fortune on beef.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
I fill it. But their relationship to this up to
this point sounded like it was reasonably amicable.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Is that right?

Speaker 16 (45:30):
Yes, So the jury heard that they met in two
thousand while they were working for a local council, and
then they got married in two thousand and seven, but
they had an on and off again relationship until they
finally separated in twenty fifteen. They did have a friendship
going for a couple of years, but that did turn
Sarah in twenty twenty two and in court over the

(45:53):
last couple of days we've heard that that was over
a range of different things like tax returns and child support.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Very interesting, Hey, Brooke, thanks very much. We'll keep it on.
It's Brook Grebert Craig who is with the Herald on
Sun Reporter and also our host of the podcast The
Mushroom Cook The Trial five twenty two.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Together do for c Allen.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive
with One New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
That'd be five twenty five. Look, call me naive, but
why didn't Auckland Council just make a decision yesterday about
the Western Springs Stadium. I mean, to me, this seems
like an absolute slam dunk.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Right.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
You've got Ali Williams, You've got Annamobray, Bill Foley and
the Auckland Football Club guys saying that they are going
to spend three hundred million dollars of their own money,
no money from ratepayers, three hundred million of their own money.
They're going to build a new stadium for Auckland and
ratepayers absolutely do not have to put a cent into it.
The alternative option is to go with the CRS records
and ponsibly rugby club proposal to build a boutique stadium.

(46:56):
But rate payers would have to tip money into this.
And the thing is, ratepayers don't have any money, do
we in Auckland, Because I don't know if you're aware
of this, but Auckland City Council has removed something like
a third of the city's rubbish bins to save money.
So there is no way that Auckland City Council could
be putting money into something nice to have like a stadium.
There is a third option it actually doesn't bear even
thinking about, but that would be to revive the speedway.

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But if we revive the speedway, we'd be reviving something
that loses somewhere in the vicinity of about one million
dollars a year. So again that would be costing right
payers money and doesn't doesn't even be thinking about. So
the only real option here is to take the free stadium.
Now I am told there are no strings attached, right.
This isn't one of those things where it's too good
to be true. It isn't. There is nothing weird going

(47:39):
on here. It is simply a good deal and it
is a deal that even the counselors that I've spoken
to today think that we will end up taking. So
why did we not end up taking that deal yesterday? Instead?
What they've done is they've sent everything out to consultation,
all of the proposals out to consultation, and left people
to think that the other options are frankly options, when
they're not options at all. Make the decision and just

(48:01):
send out the one thing for consultation. That way, and
this is why I think we should have done it.
That way. We all can have our say and we
can get on with it without stringing everybody else along.
Now call me my naive, but when rich listers are
offering to spend three hundred million dollars to build you
a stadium, I feel like there's only one option, and
that is to say yes, thank you. Ever dull now here,

(48:22):
Oh Heather. Bob Jones love the famous picture of him
flipping the bird at the South Africa to a protesters
with the smoke in his mouth while getting out of
his roles. If you haven't seen it, and I feel like,
is that the one where he's in the velvet jacket.
He looks dashing and devil may care and like exactly
the kind of person you want to be spending that
evening with having a drink and having a chat. He

(48:43):
looks like he's out for a good time. No the
photo and love it too. Now, Minister for Women, I'm
now officially starting a campaign to get rid of the
Minister for Women because we don't need it. We're adults.
We're fine, thanks very much. So we called the Minister
for Whims Nicola greggs. No, it's not getting rid of her,
just the title. She seems like a really nice woman

(49:04):
called Nikola Gregg. She doesn't want to come on the show.
So we called all the other ministers that David c
Will wants to get rid of. Louise Upston Volunteer Voluntary
Sector Hospitality, No she didn't want to talk. Minister of
South Island James Megan doesn't want to talk. To be fair,
is probably busy. Minister for Auckland Simmy and Brown can't
come on. Minister for Space due to the colins and
too busy. Minister for Racing when he now, I'm not

(49:26):
interested in it. But Jantinetti, former Minister for Women, is
happy to talk and she's with us.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Next two on the iHeart app and in your car
on your drive home it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
They'd be.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
After six o'clock. We're going to talk to the ad
Minister because they have just confirmed the farm to forest
conversions are going to be banned, right but then new
because we knew that this was going to happen. So
if you have a farm, you're going to be banned
from turning that into a forest. Thank god, because we
don't need any more of that. But well, actually, actually
some people will have an argument against me, and they
may have a good argument. But the thing that's new
is that we've got a timeline by the end of

(50:11):
the year. So we'll talk to Todd McClay about that
after six sport huddles standing by and right now it's
twenty four away from sex. Now let's talk about what
David Seymour said yesterday. He floated the policy that would
cut a whole lot of ministries and a whole lot
of ministerial portfolios and government. He went after racing, hunting
and fishing, hospitality space, child poverty reduction, but also I

(50:32):
have gone after the Minister for Women. Jantonetti is a
former Minister for Women and also child poverty reduction in
the last Labor government is with us now, Hello jan Hi,
Heather sell me on the Minister for Women. Why do
we need to keep this ridiculous position.

Speaker 10 (50:46):
Well, it's not ridiculous for a start, because we've got
a lot of women out there that are well behind.
We have their male counterparts are. We have a very
high gender pay gap that's sitting stubbornly around eight to
ten percent. Women's unemployment is much higher in certain demographics.
There's a disperformtionate impact on women during labor market shops,

(51:09):
marginalized groups.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
No, no, no, the bad stuff. What's the minister done
about it or doing?

Speaker 10 (51:19):
So what's happened is that we've got a ministry that
has can put a gender lens over it and can
have that specialized look at what is happening and the
interventions that will make a difference. So, as an example,
in the three years that I was minister, we developed
and impremented plans to produce the lowest ever gender pay

(51:40):
gap in the public service that we could then take
and put that across into the private sector to see
how we made a difference in the public service. Take
that across to the private sector.

Speaker 9 (51:50):
Oh my gosh, you.

Speaker 15 (51:52):
This what you do?

Speaker 4 (51:54):
This is how you close the gender pay gap?

Speaker 6 (51:56):
Is you go?

Speaker 4 (51:56):
I mean, if you care about it, you go and
you say, hey, public service, pay the women the same
as the dudes, and then you rely on the private
sector women to actually ask for this. It's literally just
paying people more. You don't need a ministry for that.

Speaker 10 (52:10):
No, you actually do, because people don't understand what happens
to creation.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
Just saying that.

Speaker 10 (52:20):
Exactly exactly proves my point because you have just simplified
something that is so complex, and that is the issue
here that if we put this out to other ministries
to do, if we did all of this out to
other ministries, they would try and simplify it far too
much and and we wouldn't get anywhere. Would become this
pit box mentality. You just proved my point.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Why do we need a child poverty reduction minister? Don't
tell me because we have child poverty. It's tell me
why we need the minister.

Speaker 10 (52:52):
Exactly for the same reason. When you put this to
other ministries, that does not become their big focus. When
you have a minister, which is really complex when you
are in government that the actual ministerial portfolio is incredibly technical,
but it brings together everything else, so you're able to
have the oversight of all of the other initiatives that

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all of the other ministries are taking part in, and
you're able to then say, well, look, this clearly isn't
working because you're bringing it all together, or this is working.
This is what we need to focus our resources on.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
So tell me something that you did as the child
poverty reduction minister that you saw and that you change
that made a difference.

Speaker 10 (53:34):
So Child Poverty Reduction Minister doesn't do it doesn't have
the responsibility for the initiatives. What they do have the
responsibility for is monitoring the data. So what I was
able to do was look at that and say, these
initiatives that NSD are putting in, for example, are making
this difference, So we need to put more resourcing into

(53:55):
this area. So the minister has the oversight to say, well,
this is where we need to put more resourcing, or
this is where we need to change the resourcing from.
It is a really critical part making certain that all
the ministries work together.

Speaker 7 (54:10):
What did I do?

Speaker 10 (54:11):
I was able to look at yep, so absolutely can
do that. So in twenty twenty three, because I only
took over in twenty twenty three, we were able to
lean into where we could make the biggest difference as
far as children's education was concerned in the early years,
so that we could get people able to be able
to afford the right childcare, to get mums back into

(54:34):
the workforce predominantly mums. And so we introduced that extension
of the twenty hours free and that came not from
my Minister of Education hat but came from my Minister
of Child Poverty Reduction, looking at what was going to
make the biggest difference. Another one that we looked at
was the review and the implementation of Working for Families.

(54:54):
That was working with Carmel Sepeloni, who was the Minister
at that stage. That area I was able to be
looking and having that really deep dive into the data
and saying to her this is where we need to
be now focusing our resources. That's the difference that that
ministerial portfolio has because they can have that absolute sharp

(55:16):
focus on that particular area.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
All Right, jan I just feel like I need to
be honest with you you haven't convinced me because you're
only not a surprise, Heather, what not a surprise? Because
the thing is, shouldn't every minister who is doling out
cash be trying to get the kiddies who are poor
out of poverty? I mean, I just which completely overcomplicating

(55:39):
very simple things.

Speaker 10 (55:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And you're exactly right there. They absolutely
should be and that is the Minister of Told Poverty
Reductions role to make sure that that's exactly what they're
doing and shepherd through that that strategy of everybody working
together and making that their targets.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
I've got to give you some credit, Jan because nobody
else would talk out this, not the Minister for Space
or HOSPO or child current child property, nobody, nobody except
for you. So I appreciate you turning up and having
the debate. Jantiniti former Minister for Women and Child Poverty Reduction,
is eighteen away from.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
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Speaker 4 (56:25):
That's the treat the Warriors for the.

Speaker 14 (56:28):
First time on Antick Days twenty fourteen.

Speaker 6 (56:32):
Look, let me start I just saying, you know, give
a big apology to the basketball community to know the
commission in the league and in fact the other clubs,
we've made them.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
We've made some mistakes.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Ferrari, what are you doing a little bit of blue?
A little bit of white?

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Are you? Kenny May?

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Man?

Speaker 4 (56:48):
This team could have so much aura, but they just
do stuff like this On the sports title with me
this evening, Andrew Gordy sports commentator and Paul Ellison News
talk z'd be rugby commentator. Hell are you too?

Speaker 5 (56:59):
Can I hear that you?

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Gordy? Are you there?

Speaker 9 (57:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Thearius Yep, we'll have gremlins in the system. Sorry about that, Gordi?
What do you make of the Ferrari?

Speaker 17 (57:09):
I hate it?

Speaker 13 (57:10):
You may as well?

Speaker 17 (57:11):
From the Italian perspective, you Mays will snap the pastor
in half before you put it in the pot and
serve up an espresso with an X.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
I hate it.

Speaker 17 (57:20):
It's just very American.

Speaker 15 (57:21):
Isn't that.

Speaker 17 (57:22):
I can see what they've done. They've gone with the red,
white and blue, but it just looks gross to me.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
I mean, Paul, isn't this the reality though, that if
you're taking money from something like HP, you're going to
have to paint HP in your car and make a
whole lot of it blue and white.

Speaker 11 (57:34):
Absolutely money talks in this situation. They've got HP as
a sponsor, that's their traditional colors. Interestingly, looking back at
the history though, how Ferrari got to be read in
the first place. It wasn't then that made the decision.
It was the FIA when they assigned colors to the
country of the car. So Italy had the race and red,
Great Britain had the race in green, France was blue,
Germany was silver, and you've even seen people like Sai

(57:56):
Chris Amon over the years wearing blue racing suit. So
although that car is synonymous with red, a bit like
Coca Cola is with red. Yeah, I think this is
just about money talking in the evolution of commercialism in sport.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Yeah too, right, Gordy, listen, tell me Auckland FC. They've
got the platey thing for having won the round robin?
Are they going to win the next bit? Are they
going to win the whole thing?

Speaker 17 (58:19):
I think there's absolutely no reason to believe they can't.
I mean, they've proven the best throughout the course of
the season. Right now, when you get into a format
like this this part of the season, knockout Anything can
happen in this sort of sort of format of sport,
I suppose. But they've clearly been the best team all
season and jeez, what an achievement it would be. They've
already achieved something that no other team in New Zealand

(58:41):
has ever achieved before. And they're doing everything right off
the pitch, they're doing everything right on it. So they're
in a fantastic position.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
I mean, they would have to, wouldn't they pull Because
if they won the round robin and had such a
wonderful season and then didn't win this knockout stage, it
would just it would make a mockery of this, wouldn't it.

Speaker 11 (58:57):
Well, that's what sports about and seen it in the
past when the top round robin team hasn't won the
Grand Final. Let's hope that if they get through the
semi finals which will come up, and the fact that
it's home and away, that Auckland get to host it
at Eden Park, they'll host one of the sections of
the semi final. If they get to the Grand Final,

(59:18):
Let's hope it is an Auckland whether it's at Eden
Park or go Media Stadium. But they've been fantastic they've
got a way to a great start this year. They've
got those early wins against the Roar and Sydney and
then the Phoenix and that really set them up for
the season. And I just continued on they've hardly missed
a beat. What have they lost two games out of
twenty five. It's been an absolutely upstanding season for them.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
I know it's been incredibly I we'll take a break,
come back to you guys shortly quarter to.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
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Speaker 4 (59:47):
Back on the Sports Title with Andrew Gordy and Paul Allison.
Paul listen, I've looked at the situation with these Auckland FC.
Speaking on the topic of Auckland FC. These guys offering
to build a stadium for the city. City doesn't have
to put any money in. Why would the city just
say you, thank you very much and start doing it.

Speaker 11 (01:00:02):
Well, I think that's what's going to end up happening.
I think anything like this are not being politically correct here, Heather.
But what you've got to do is you've got to
have some form of support from the community. But this
yere looks like a no brainer. It's not about the
build of the stadium. Most stadiums can be built with
some form of fundraising costs and the key funding partners.
It's the ongoing operational and capital costs, and that's what

(01:00:24):
these guys have actually said that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
They will do.

Speaker 11 (01:00:26):
They're talking two to three hundred million dollars. Big names involved,
Bill Foley, Steven Adams even there as well, along within
a MOBRAI and the likes. But this looks on face
value like that's the ideal option. The only challenge they'll
have is they make it a twelve and a half
thousand seat stadium and they want to play FC games
there awkld FC games a year if they've been attracting
audiences and crowds this year of around eighteen thousand.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
So what do they do?

Speaker 11 (01:00:49):
Do they not have enough to play their home games here,
even though that's what one of the key things that
they're looking at doing there, along with basketball facilities and
other sports rated activities.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
On face failing, it looks like it's the perfect solution.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
I just thought Paul I just assumed that they were
being smart about it and they were realizing that at
some stage if the club wasn't doing particularly well and
the enthusiasm dropped off. They would still have a full stadium,
do you know what I mean, rather than a whole
bunch of empty seats.

Speaker 15 (01:01:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:01:15):
Absolutely, And I think there's probably a need for this.
I mean, you live an Orkland, you're a rate payer.
I don't, but looking at it from the outside in,
to me, it just makes real good sense. I mean,
Western Springs has been a fantastic toa silly I think
it was the first cinder all weare the track in
New Zealand years ago it said speedway and rolling stones
and out and John and the like all there.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
But you've got to move on.

Speaker 11 (01:01:34):
And if you're going to get a custom built, fully
paid for facility, that also the ongoing costs, both capital
and operation are going to be paid for. Pretty hard
to turn down.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
I would have thought, Gordy, what do you reckon?

Speaker 17 (01:01:46):
I reckon if the three options that essentially counsel has
put forward, which is this an alternative, which is really
prioritizing music from what I can see, fifty thousand seats
sort of venue, or do nothing, it's a clear, clearly
obvious pick. Right the concerts of that nature now should
be held at Eaton Park, and we're seeing that, you know,
with some regularity.

Speaker 11 (01:02:05):
Now.

Speaker 17 (01:02:06):
I like the plan that Auckland FC and their backers
have put forward. My only concern about it is it
feels like the stadium aspect of it is either maybe
a little bit too small, and I'm not a huge
fan of the open, open at one end sort of thing.
I think when you're wanting that great fan experience at
any kind of rectangular sports fixture, you want you want

(01:02:29):
the energy and the atmosphere to remain inside, and that's
just going to lead to leakage out one end. So
I'd love to see that aspect fixed and have a
fully enclosed four sides. But look, I think of all
the options there, it's the best one. And I love
that it's incorporating basketball and other sort of community sort
of It can be a little community hub. I suppose
it's a great location. They need to make the most

(01:02:51):
of it, so they need to make sure they make
the right call here. But at the moment it seems
like the best one for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
Are you, Gordy going to participate in the new sport it?

Speaker 17 (01:03:01):
I'm glad you asked thereally, because Paul and I were
just discussing this off here and I think this is
a sport and event that's really built for two people
like Paul and I. So yeah, look, I'm really looking
forward to it. It's a nonsense idea, isn't it. And
it's it's going to lead to tears. It's going to
lead to heartbreak for someone. Quite frankly, it's it's hugely dangerous.

(01:03:21):
And look, I know what you're going to ask me,
should we should we allow it here in New Zealand. Look,
people do dumb things every single day, right, and and
that's never going to stop. The one thing I would
say about this is when the inevitable injuries and horrendous
injuries come from this, I don't want my acc levees
paying for it. So you sign a disclaimer and you

(01:03:42):
better make sure you've got your private healthcare sort of
before you go and do something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Paul, Are you as brutal and cutthroat as he is?

Speaker 11 (01:03:48):
It depends on whether I have to take him on
in a ten meter zone, running full on or not.
If it's a wait for age, we might we might
be actually okay. But if you against the big sellers,
it's going to be a bit challenging. I mean, there
is so many sports that are dangerous, mixed martial arts,
cage fighting, ber knuckle boxing, Gaelic football, hurling, the likes.
This does appear a bit crazy, and I don't think

(01:04:09):
it's necessarily a sport. I think it's a physical activity
challenge and if you're going into it, you probably need
to sort of sign disclaimers and whatever, and there's probably
some mitigating things you can do about padded crash elmets
and padded shoulder pads and the like. But yeah, to me,
it seems a bit farcical and I haven't quote embraced
it yet.

Speaker 7 (01:04:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Well, there's always a dull Winnian aspect of these kinds
of things in there. Think you guys appreciate it. Andrew
Gordy Paul Allison sports title this evening seven away from six.

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Listen UK politics news coming in that Reformer is doing
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won sixty six to the Reform UK Party versus thirty

(01:05:06):
seven to the Conservatives, eleven to Labor and everybody else
is not even worth talking about. So huge upset. We're
going to have a chat to Gavin Gray, our UK
correspondent before the end of the program. Yeah, Jan, Jan
convinced hardly anyone. I mean, that's not really surprising, is it.
So the Minister of Poverty Prevention looked through MSD programs, Heather,
and then determine which ones worked and needed money allocated

(01:05:27):
to that. Shouldn't that be the role of the Minister
of MSD. Hither, I can get you a really good
analyst to do that monitoring role that she was doing. Hither,
that woman didn't give one concrete reason why we need
a ministry for women. Here, the Jan would be a
lively dinner party guest.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
The Jan is a breath of fresh air.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
I like Jan, I've always liked Jan. I like the
Jan turns up and gives her argument. But I'm still
not convinced by it, because basically what Jan's argument was
is that you need these roles so that she could
do a deep dive in that role, that minister can
do a deep dive into the data and then tell
the minister who actually has the money in some other portfolio,
tell that minister to spend the money. And that's ultimately

(01:06:03):
what these ministers doing. They're just doing deep dives into
data and then telling somebody to spend money. It's not
really what I want from my government, is that you
want from you. I don't want to fix everything with money.
Surely that there surely there is another solution. We can
find some other way of fixing things. Anyway, I remain
on my crusade to abolish the Ministry for Women and
the Minister for Women. And the only reason I'm picking

(01:06:25):
on these guys is because I am a woman, which
means I think it's a safe place for me. You know,
I don't get get done and by the media commentators
for being anist, some sort of anist fill in the blanks. Anyway,
Thomas Coglin's going to be with us because it looks
like Nicholas going to be taking away your key we
save a subsidy or means testing it or something. So
he'll rap the political week that was shortly and explain things.

(01:06:46):
But Todd McLay Agriculture Minister. Next News Talk.

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Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Evening coming up in the next hour. We're going to
wrap the political week that was with Thomas Coglan chat
to Peter Lewis over in Hong Kong of our China
standing up to Trump and his tariffs and also Gavin
Gray is going to run us through reform romping in
in the UK and those elections at seven past six.
Now farmers are going to be banned from fully turning
their land into forests and that will come into effect
by the end of the year, the Agriculture Minister says.

(01:07:37):
Sheep and bee farms of the government's focus while also
trying to support sustainable land use. In Todd McLay is
with us.

Speaker 7 (01:07:43):
Now, Hey, Todd, hey, heaven, how are you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
I'm well, thank you? How do farmers feel about this?

Speaker 18 (01:07:47):
By the way, there's a lot of pressure building again.
You'll know during the campaign we talked about it and
we came out with policy around restrictions on this. The
government is concerned that we're seeing very valuable food producing
land having trees planted for carbon purposes. You know, we
do need trees in New Zealand. It's important, you know,
for the economy. But at the same time we are

(01:08:08):
the world's best food producers. So we're putting rules in
place that say farmers will have some choices, they can
plant trees in ways and so on, but actually we're
stopping the full farm to forest conversion and we're going
to be working with a foresty community to find land
elsewhere that's not farm for them to be a plant on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
I mean, look, the thing is, we're all assuming that
the farmers love it because there obviously protects their communities
by keeping people there. But do they necessarily love it
because it stops them from being able to sell their land.

Speaker 7 (01:08:38):
Well, look at that.

Speaker 18 (01:08:39):
That's the reason that we've taken a little bit of
extra time to get the rules right. We're saying on
the most valuable land, which is classified as one through five,
that farmers can can plant up to twenty five percent
of their own land. If they want you to go
into the ets a luck six land which is predominantly
sheep and beef, we'll have a quota of fifteen thousand

(01:09:01):
hecta of fifteen thousand hectares per year and where people
in abid to be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Able to plant.

Speaker 18 (01:09:07):
So we think that will provide enough choice to those
farmers that want to exit or want to do some
plant in the soals. It might have some land it's
not good to farm anymore to them be able to
do that. But where we see on the east coast
or of the North Island or Northland, or certainly parts
of Otago and Southland, very very large sheep stations being
brought up because people view the carbon price as being

(01:09:28):
more rewarding than growing lamb to sell, you know to
the UK or the European Union. That gives me concern
and we want to make sure that we produce the
food the world needs, not just plant trees for carbon purposes.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Now, todd if we don't allow these guys to plant
as many trees as they like, how are we going
to meet our climate obligations for twenty thirty.

Speaker 18 (01:09:49):
Well, we still have the ability to do that In fact,
we release some more estimates a short while ago showing
that farmers are on track to do their ten percent
reduction that's currently in the law. So that's been done,
but we can't keep meeting an obligation by planting trees
for farmers. There are a range of tools where we're

(01:10:10):
working on with them some yea.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
Yeah, but that's not what I mean. I don't mean.
I don't just mean the agriculture sector. I mean the
entire country, because we're clearly not going to meet our
obligation and we're going to have to pay some third
world country billions of dollars to plant trees for us.
And the only way to mitigate that is if we
plant some trees ourselves, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:10:25):
So we're going to do it.

Speaker 8 (01:10:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:10:27):
The challenge we're going here there is largely the last
government set up these conditions, They made the commitments, and
they knew all the way along.

Speaker 7 (01:10:34):
Was not going to be happens.

Speaker 18 (01:10:35):
I don't think there's an appetite in New Zealand for
billions of dollars to be sent overseas. But ultimately the
Climate Change Minister has come out with a plan that
over that period of time to twenty thirty five and
then twenty fifty, which is the absolute obligation, is in place.
We do get to meet our obligations. But what the
government of Christopher luxons be very clear. We must take

(01:10:55):
our international obligations around climate change seriously for trade reasons,
but we're not going to close down farms and jobs
and productions.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
But we're not going to meet it. That don't I
suppose for political reasons we can't admit it, but we
can admit it, can't we We're not going to meet
the obligations and we ain't going to pay the billions.

Speaker 18 (01:11:10):
Well, we're focused on doing everything that we have to
we can do to meet those obligations. Climate change mints
or have more to say, but I can say to
you again, I don't think there's an appetite within New
Zealand with every day landed for billions of dollars to
be sent oversea AO.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Right now, listen, where are we at with the tariff?
So we are we winning at all?

Speaker 18 (01:11:28):
Well, in as far as the US is concerned, we,
with every other country of the world except for a
couple of China example, have a ten percent tariff on US.
I've been talking to a lot of trade ministers and
other countries both here as they've come to New Zealand
this week, and you know, phone calls and so on.
It feels like or looks like from the US administration
the new lowest tariff right they will have anywhere there's

(01:11:49):
ten percent, so there's no indication that we're higher than that,
but we're engaging and talking to them about actually why
we think we should be lower than that. I'll be
meeting my US counterpart at an international in Korea next month, sorry,
this month, a couple of weeks time, where I'll have
a chance for the first time to meet him in person,
and we're going to make the case that we think

(01:12:10):
those rates should come down. But there are countries around
the world that we're facing twenty thirty forty cent teriffs.
There are in a queue they're trying to negotiate get
that down. We are being treated the best of anybody,
but I think those ten percent tariff rates are not
good for New Zealand, and they're going to put prices
up for US consumers.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Yeah, good luck with it, Todd, Thanks for your time.
Tom McLay Agriculture and Forestry Ministry and Forestry minister. Now
we are not just understand this, we are not going
to meet our twenty thirty obligations, but we are also
not going to pay those billions of dollars. But the
government ministers are not going to say that out loud
because they can't say it out loud because the minute

(01:12:47):
they say it out loud, they start getting in trouble.
But that is exactly what's going to happen here. By
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the political week that was we have The Herald's political editor,

(01:14:27):
Thomas Coglan. Welcome back, Thomas. Okay, so it looks increasingly
like how we're going to get this budgets put together
as some sort of means testing, right.

Speaker 7 (01:14:37):
Yeah, Look, I'm picking means testing of the key. We
save a subsidy. It's a lot of money. It's a
billion dollars a year we spend on this key. We
save a subsidy basically means if you say about twenty
dollars a week, the government will give you five hundred
and twenty dollars at the end of the year. But
of course that that comes from your taxes, so they
get it from you. Eventually a billion dollars a year

(01:14:58):
for the whole budget. That's that's about seven percent of
the entire budget. I would pick that the government might
means test it at about one hundred and eighty thousand
dollars a year. If you're earning one hundred and eighty
thousand dollars or more, they might They might not to
take that away from you. They wouldn't save a whole
lot of money, but I think that'll be one of
the measures they look to. Where else they're going to
find this money. Nikola Willis said this week billions of

(01:15:19):
dollars used feed up, freed up from reprioritizations. That is
a lot of money, and the rest of it is
a bit of a mystery. At the Stage's find out
on May twenty second.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Thomas, one hundred and eighty thousand is a very very
high level. I mean, shouldn't she be mean testing at
a much lower level if she wants to save some
serious coin.

Speaker 7 (01:15:34):
Well, it is interesting there are some economists out there
who think that these subsidies actually don't encourage people to
use key we save her anyway. You know, people people
wanting to save are generally saving because they think it's
a good idea, not because the government's going to give
you five hundred and twenty dollars. So there is an
argument for actually getting rid of it entirely, or means
testing it at a much lower, much lower level, you know,

(01:15:56):
maybe one hundred thousand dollars, eighty thousand dollars, so you're
getting sort of Maybe it's a good idea to get
high school kids with their first job to do some
Keysaver contributions, although I think actually you only get it
if you're over eighteen, So did we go. I've rolled
myself down there. But something like that, you know it
won't you know? It would save tens of millions of dollars,
not the billions she's looking for.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Oh listen, I'll tell you what's driving me up the
wall at the moment. Is this debate about where the
Tory pulled out of the race because we're too mean
to her. I mean, that's just cock and ball, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:16:24):
No.

Speaker 7 (01:16:24):
I think I think she pulled out because Andrew Little
And she's basically said that in her interviews he was
going to give her a wing changed and yeah, when
she said he's changed the game. And yes, I think
I think if he if the two of them have
gone head to head, he would he would certainly have one.
You know, Single transferrable voters is a strange system. She
might have got lucky on some other people's preferences, but

(01:16:47):
it is I mean, it's I struggle to see a
path of the victory if we're going into here.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Okay, now, Thomas, I'm going to give you the opportunity
to tell us why you think the Tory wasn't as
bad as we think she was. Would you like to
have another go at.

Speaker 7 (01:17:02):
It, right, Look, I like there are too the rates
are too high. I think they've got they've got that
badly wrong. Commercial rates I think are a big stop stop.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
You do not need to tell us all the things
she did badly. We know what are the things that
you think that she did well.

Speaker 7 (01:17:20):
I personally think that the council has turned the tide
on water investment now. Unfortunately, the water investment is being
pissed up the wall. It thanks to Welling for Water.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
But I'm going to chump back at you, and I'm
going to point you to her first year and her
first budget, and there was not nearly enough water money
going into water investments. She was forced to do that
by embarrassment of pipes spilling all over the place. Right.

Speaker 7 (01:17:46):
But Look, to be honest, I'm not sure about the
first budget. I'm going by the final budget. I think
it's one point eight billion dollars over the long term
period of the long.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
Even then, Thomas, in contrast to all the other counts
in the Wellington region, it's still not the highest when
it should be.

Speaker 7 (01:18:03):
No, who is the highest? Is it hard to a
pot door that's not entirely Look, I like I'm not
going to give me another thing she's done. Well, go on,
Well let's see. I personally think the airport say, it
was a good idea. This is my personal my personal view.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
But she lost it because she was because people hated
her so much they just wanted to vote.

Speaker 7 (01:18:23):
Against Yeah, And I think you make a when you do.
This is a good lesson for anyone going into politics.
Your personal struggles are going to be used against you,
regardless of whether you think they're being used against you
unfairly or fairly. So if you do struggle with you know,
your personal personal life, as she did, then that is

(01:18:43):
going to make life much more difficult for you as
the politician. I think I'm a Cantabrian, come from christ Church.
I think Wellington is just not It doesn't understand, it
doesn't hasn't reckoned with the fact that it is going
to be, you know, raised to the ground one day.
And that Wellington Airport proposed I thought was a fairly
sensible way of of of taking care of that under

(01:19:03):
insurance assue of even I thought it was a good idea.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
But in the end she failed to do it. Hey,
really quickly, really quickly. How can David Seymour and what's
his name, Shane Jones get rid of this co governance
thing in the White targets.

Speaker 7 (01:19:18):
That is that is very difficult. I mean, I've got
to hold hand up and say I actually don't know
the mechanism for this, because the government is saying that
this is a local bill and therefore the deed comes
from a local bill and therefore Auckland Council has to
sort of play ball here to get rid of it.
So that doesn't seem to be forthcoming unless Wayne Brown,
I guess swingers and behind it. You might have to

(01:19:41):
talk to some of the constitutional experts on this, maybe
a Graham editor and the like. Surely the government can
introduce a bill to get rid of it, even if
Auckland Council, you know, Parliament ultimately what it says goes.
But I have to say that is that is getting
a wee bit outside of my constitutional area of expertise.
But I would I would think that they could pass

(01:20:03):
the pass a bible to do that. Finet's efinets of
course agree with them, but it looks like the government
as broadly ANTIDSK, but they disagree that the amount of
power they have to get rid of it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Yeah, brilliant listen, Thomas, thank you has always appreciated a
joy weekend. Thomas Coglan, The Herald's political editor, six twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
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Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
Togs env By the way, just a reminder, Gavin Gray
is going to talk to us out of the UK
about the UK local elections that are coming through at
the moment. In reform, as I was telling you earlier,
is predicted to do much better than expected. But on
the subject of elections, it's obviously the Australian election tomorrow
and by all accounts it should be an absolute spanking
for Peter Dutton and Elbow should romp in. But apparently

(01:20:53):
and them seeing some analysis coming out of the Australia
on this, apparently they are on Dutton's side of the fence,
still holding out hope that it might not be that
bad and that there could be some sort of an
upset or something like that. And what they're basing that
on is the extremely high I think it's unprecedented level
of undecided and soft voters going into the selection at
the moment. Now, I can't remember exactly what the number was,

(01:21:14):
was like eighteen or nineteen percent or something like that,
but it's incredibly high, and so they're hoping that a
lot of those cut their way. They're also taking some
heart from Mark Karney what happened in Canada because Marke Karney,
Yeah he won, but I think a few of us
thought that he was going to win a little bit
more decisively.

Speaker 7 (01:21:29):
Than he did.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
He ended up with a minority government. And also, as
has been pointed out to me just in the last
couple of minutes, Scott Morrison wasn't supposed to win right
so the right overperformance on the day potentially in Australia.
So we'll see how it goes. I mean, you probably
still put your money on elbow, but you never know.
Something could happen. Twenty six prs six Now I haven't

(01:21:49):
I haven't made a secret of this. I'm a fan
of Tina. I love the Tina song, you know, the
one the Tina's Turner sung where she sings about all
the cars. I Turners knows this. So they give me
a little updates on what's up and they've given me
an update and they've said, we've got a video now
for the song, and then they sent me the link
and here it is. Here's a little bit of it
for you.

Speaker 6 (01:22:14):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:22:16):
What you will notice is they've jazzed about. There's a
bit of horn there which they didn't have in the
radio ads.

Speaker 13 (01:22:24):
You've got so fat, it's a seed stone Fast.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
Got a backing vocal which they didn't have in the
radio ad. That's one lout. And what you can't see
is that there are three men with their top sop
playing guitar, and two of them are very sick. So
you're gonna want to watch this. And I can even
tell you when it's going to hit the TV twenty
to seven on TV one during the news. I don't

(01:22:49):
know if I was given permission to tell you the time.
But if you go put it an alarm when you fight,
you don't have to sit through all the news. Nobody
sets through TV one news anymore, do we unless we're
dead on the couch. Put it on your phone, put
a twenty to seven timer and then tune in and
watch that and let me know what you think.

Speaker 7 (01:23:04):
Pretty well, go to YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
All that obviously, all that headlines next, whether.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
End me.

Speaker 7 (01:23:30):
You see.

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
Whether I hope you don't lose your job after Pativian's
ad News comment about being dead on the couch. But
I'm with you one hundred percent. D don't worry about
I don't think.

Speaker 7 (01:23:39):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
Nowadays we get fired from being honest about our viewing preferences.
Do you know that even ever happened? Apple has given
us an insight into how much the tariffs are going
to cost the company. By the way, today a report
of the first quarter profit for the company was above expectations,
but has warned watch out because the US tariffs are
going to cost about one point five billion New Zealand

(01:24:02):
dollars just in this quarter that we're in at the moment,
second quarter. And that's even though Apple's products are exempt.
So it just gives you an indication of how big
this is. Twenty four away from seven and with us
right now is Peter lewis ow Asia Business correspondent, Hey
Peter Hi header, So is China going to negotiate with
the US.

Speaker 19 (01:24:19):
Well, there was a very important statement which came out
of the Ministry of Commerce this morning. What it basically
said was that China's noted the repeated statements from senior
US officials expressing a willingness to negotiate with China, and
they say, at the same time, if the US really
wants to talk, it should demonstrate sincerity by what it

(01:24:42):
calls addressing its wrong practices, basically removing all the tariffs
and imposed on China. Now this is new because it
does signal at last that maybe there is some sort
of flexibility here that could lead to a path to negotiations.
China wants to save face. What's absolutely important here is

(01:25:04):
it doesn't want to show that it moved first. It
wants to show that the US is basically sort of
given in first of all, because this is very important
to Jugenpin, because he's getting a lot of domestic support
from the hard stance that is showing towards the US
and the sort of a country is sort of in
united behind this. So where we're really at here is

(01:25:27):
it's sort of there are negotiations going on about having negotiations,
and this could take some time because China clearly wants
to see some sort of lowering of the tarott. So
I don't think Donald Trump is going to cave completely
and remove all tarots of China, but there's going to
have to be some reduction in those tarots before the

(01:25:49):
negotiations could start. But this could still take many weeks
and many months because China doesn't do business like President
Trump does. What Trump wants to do is he wants
to have a meeting with Eugenping, they have this full
discussion about all the issues, and then sign on this
big deal. Now there's no way that China.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Will do that.

Speaker 19 (01:26:14):
First of all, it's far too risky for Jijiping because
you know what happens if there's a big misunderstanding or worse,
no agreement at all at the end of this meeting,
then he will look very foolish. So the way they
do businesses they have middle ranking diplomats meeting. They will
discuss all the me new type of the agreement, all

(01:26:35):
the details. They will all be thrashed out first, and
then there will be a meeting in somewhere nice like
Ballei where this is all signed off. So a long
way to go, but nevertheless, there is some flexibility here,
and China is showing that it's interested in having some
sort of negotiation.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
So I noticed the other day that China had urged
a whole bunch of them, basically every other country out
there to resist the bully Trump. Now, why do they
seriously think that they are going to be able to
sort of like rally a group of nations to go
up against Trump.

Speaker 19 (01:27:10):
Well, their big fear is that other nations could in
cutting their deals with the US. And we know that
South Korea, Japan, India and so on are all negotiating
with the US to get these reciprocal tariffs down, that
there will be some sort of agreement about making sure
that they don't do certain types of business with China,

(01:27:31):
don't facilitate China getting around these tariffs by doing business
through third countries like Vietnam and elsewhere. And this is
a big worry of China that they could end up
being cut out of business from some of these other nations.
Now I think that's unlikely to happen because most countries

(01:27:52):
don't want to get caught between the two. I mean
companies like countries like South Korea, Japan. Their biggest trading
nation is China, it's not the US, So they don't
want to be forced into a position where they have
to make a choice between the US and China, and
they for sure, we'll try and resist that, but it
is nevertheless a fear of Beijing that this could happen.

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
What are the chances I got? I mean, Trump's is
he's very close to cutting deals with those three countries
you named, India, South Korea, and Japan. What are chances
do you think he's being honest?

Speaker 19 (01:28:23):
You well, I think he underestimates what a trade deal means.
I mean, if you look at deals in the past,
they take years to negotiate, and in fact, you know,
the EU in India has been trying to negotiate a
trade deal for over a decade now. They are very
complicated things to do. All you can do, I think
in a couple of months is have a very very

(01:28:45):
broad outline of maybe some trading principles between the two countries.
But I think in this case, even here is going
to be a lot more difficult than maybe Trump thinks,
because Trump's view on trade is that there's not a
way in which both sides can win when and there
are deals that you could do where there are benefits

(01:29:06):
for both sides. But Trump sees it as very one sided.
There's a winner and there's a loser, and therefore the
US must be the winner, and therefore other countries, in
particular China must be the loser. So when you go
into a trade negotiation with that sort of attitude, I
think it's very hard to come up with any sort
of concrete trade deal that's meaningful.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
At the end of that, Peter, it's always good to
talk to you. I really appreciated. That's Peter Lewis, our
Asia Business correspondent with US out of Hong Kong to
the UK elections. So there's local elections underway right, four
mayoral candidates, four mayoral races have been declared. Doncaster's gone
to labor, North Time Side's gone to labor, West of
England's gone to labor. But Greater Lincolnshire. Reform and get

(01:29:53):
a load of these numbers council seats, council results, Reform
seventy seven councilors, Conservative thirty even councilors, Labor eleven counselors.
How nuts does that reform push a little bit of
a wake up call to a lot of people over there.
We can talk to Gavin Gray about it and just detect.
But just on our local body elections, not elections, just

(01:30:13):
local bodies. I've got an example of a council that
I suspect, certainly, in the telling of the story, in
the way that it's been told, has behaved like uselessly
as per usual. There is a farmer in Kinlock called
Tom Power whose paddocks are flooded. I mean, this sounds
like the start of a rhyme, doesn't it. There is
a farmer in Kinlock, Tom Power, whose paddocks are flooded

(01:30:35):
because of the rain this week to the extent, and
this is where the poem stops, to the extent that
he will not be able to use his paddocks until October,
which is what six months away. Here reckons what happened?
Has he told christ Huge City Council on Thursday before
the rain started going like mental? He goes to them
on Thursday says, can you open the lake to the
sea to prevent the flooding of my paddocks? And you know,

(01:30:56):
because even if you open the lake to the sea,
there will be some flooding it will not be the
end of the world. But if you do not open
the lake, it will be bad flooding and I will
not be able to use my paddocks for six months.
And this is the thing that they can do. They
have done it before. I think they did it last year.
But this time on Thursday, the Council did not listen
to Tom Power. They did not open the lake to
the sea, and now his paddocks are flooded and you

(01:31:16):
want to see the state of it. It is a
complete Nutter disaster. So the news media have gone to
the Council and the council Head of Three Waters, Gavin
Hutchinson said diggers are now on site and they're going
to open the lake as soon as there was an
appropriate weather window. So I'm assuming could have done it
on Thursday or thereabouts to help Tom out. But now

(01:31:37):
the rains come and flooded as paddocks and now you're
going to do it, eh kil sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
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Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
Hither the Council were too busy working from home to
open the gate. Jeez, you know what. I I hope
that's just a quip about councilors and public servants working
from home, but I would believe anything these days. Thirty
away from seven Gevin Gray are UK correspondents with Uskevin, Hello.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Hither the header?

Speaker 7 (01:32:10):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (01:32:11):
What about Reform?

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:32:14):
What a night?

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Perhaps not as good as they might have been hoping.
But of all the votes that took part on Thursday,
that's some local councils and mayoral election. There was also
the by election to replace a former Labor MP the
party of Government who had been convicted for assaulting a
constituent at night, and the Reform Party, Nigel Faraj's party

(01:32:38):
has won that. Now, for those who can't quite remember,
Nigel Pharaohs was kind of the man that made the
then government hold the vote to the referendum on Brexit.
He has spearheaded this and last night his party, which
was formed only in twenty eighteen, has now succeeded in
gaining a fifth MP, and this MP is a former

(01:33:02):
Conservative councilor so across the board Reform UK. This new
party has been taking seats from the current party of
government Labor the former party of government Conservative and this
dramatic win was by none more than six votes, quite extraordinary,
the closest election result since nineteen seventy three, and in

(01:33:26):
it the new candidate, the new MP, said enough Conservative failure,
enough Labor lies. The party has promised to try and
get net migration down to zero. In the last two years,
net migration into the UK has been one point six million.

Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
Now, Gavin taking council seats, which seems impressive at the minute,
is one thing, but what does this actually mean for
central government? Are I hoping to sort of build a
base in springboard from there and really grow what they're
doing in Parliament.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
I think they're hoping to show that they are a
credible threat, and because at the moment, you know, people
know that zero net migration policy, but what else? What
economic policies do they stand for? Now? I cover lots
of politics and I'm not that sure what those policies are.
So I think they're hoping to build a credible base
on which when the next election is called, they are
hoping people are sick of the current Labor government, don't

(01:34:21):
trust the Conservatives the former government, and will turn to
them for some kind of assistance we will see.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
Do you believe I mean, if you look at the situation,
it's one thing to do really well in an election
and then the next election you drop off again. Do
you believe that they've got something that lasts here?

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
I think the way that the current government are going
in that according to Nigel Pharaohs, you know, you vote Labor,
you get conservative. In other words, it's a continuation of
the same old stuff. And I think unless that feeling
is broken, I can see further gains by the Reform
UK party. But you're right these by elections coming they're

(01:35:00):
often a protest vote, you know, and there have been
some stories coming out about Reform UK candidates that haven't
been properly assessed and reviewed. So I think if they
manage not to have any scandals and Labor the current
party of government, don't make any impressive improvements on the
economy and on migration, then yeah, I can see it growing.

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
Wow Okay, yeah, So what transgender women no longer able
to play in women's football in England?

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
Yes, quite a shock list. So we had the Supreme
Court ruling in the middle of April which said that
the legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex.
It has caused a massive argument here and now transgender
women are going to be no longer allowed to play
women's football from the first of June. There are fewer
than thirty transgender women registered among millions of amateur players,

(01:35:50):
but this has now sent shock waves around sport. Currently
the rules are for the Football Association. Transgender women can
PARTI if they meet criteria providing medical records that their
testosterone levels have been below prescribed levels for twelve months
and provide a record of hormone therapy and an annual
review of treatment. That's all being scrapped. And you look

(01:36:12):
now at other sports, and just in the last few
days now athletics, cycling, aquatics, netball all announcing their banning
transgender women, other sports announcing they are reviewing it and
reassessing it and as well and these rules of course
all sorts of questions about exactly where the transgender people

(01:36:33):
belong in their own sports, in their own categories. That's
a difficult question for everyone to answer.

Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
Kevin, good to talk to you, thank you for your time.
That's Devin Gray, are UK correspondent nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
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Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
Jeez, this is going back to something I see it
ages go hither. How late were you on your wedding day?
Thirty minutes is okay, but later is rude. Mas I
don't know. I had some champagne. It was probably thirty
minutes late. I might have been more. It doesn't take
a lot to make Sir Bob get very cross with you.
He's very short tempered because he you know, because you're
in you're wealthy, everything kind of just revolves around you.

(01:37:12):
So probably got angry very early on. To be honest
with you, I wouldn't be surprised. Hey, quick shout out
to Mainfreight always impressive and impressive again today stock is
up twelve percent today, which means it's basically almost back
to where it was when the tariff news hit its
share price, and that's because it expects it announced it
expects that its full year profit and full year revenue

(01:37:32):
figures will be higher than expected. So there we go
there doing well. And also shout out on the dwelling
consents because we're doing well. We've had so many dwelling
consents issued in March. That is basically ten percent up
from February, which is the highest we've had in about
two years. And it is sixteen percent up on the year,
which is about the highest we've had in three years.
And that's pretty good. In Otago's leading the charge with

(01:37:53):
fifty five percent increase in the consent. So whatever you're
building down there, keep going, right. Are you playing some
country music ants?

Speaker 14 (01:38:00):
No, No, I'm playing something that is not country music
at all. Edge hearing I hear, and I was trying
to I was trying to work out how I could
tie its hearing into country music, and I just came
up with nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
So why are you doing its hearing?

Speaker 14 (01:38:10):
Because it's brand new. This song is called old Phone.
The new album will be called Play. He's releasing it
on the twelfth of September. This is the first one
that's not named after a mathematical sign, because he'd basically
been through all of those.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
So now he put it up. Let's see who it
sounds like.

Speaker 13 (01:38:25):
Could you tell the difference from early.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Marks?

Speaker 4 (01:38:32):
Still hard me? It just sounds like it's hearing, doesn't it.
This time he's ripped himself for anthy.

Speaker 14 (01:38:37):
Yeah, I mean to be fair, people like it. This
is going to be it's more of the same.

Speaker 7 (01:38:41):
People are gonna like it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
You're not going to get a pay rise this year
because you had the perfect opportunity to cross promote here
because today we launched a country music station, iHeart Country
New Zealand, which is launching next Friday. I haven't even
been paid for this. Nobody's told me I have.

Speaker 7 (01:38:55):
To die, not yet.

Speaker 14 (01:38:56):
But you're right. You know, like when they're panning out
pay rise that I played, they played each shearing and
then you get get and.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
I'll be like, I had to talk over each hearing
about country music because Ants totally didn't get it. But
it's it's launching next Friday. And the reason it's going
to have, you know, Luke Combs and Morgan Wollen and
Katie Bell and stuff. And the reason I'm telling you
this is because when I mentioned it to Laura and Ants,
they both cringed at country music and they hate it.
They hate it.

Speaker 7 (01:39:19):
It's very controversial. Yeah, yeah, okay, I was.

Speaker 14 (01:39:22):
I was just trying to think that whether you were
misrepresenting our position there, but no, you're right, it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:39:26):
For us and yet so hear from you who hates
country music? You've played us each hearing.

Speaker 14 (01:39:31):
But to be fair, I'm not a huge fan of
Eadcheron either. A couple that the album we did with
yellow Wolf back in the day.

Speaker 8 (01:39:37):
I like that one.

Speaker 14 (01:39:37):
But other than that note bar, it's not about me heither,
it's about the audience. And if they're not listening to
the iHeart Country Show, they've been hearing some mid chearing
with us.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Do you know what?

Speaker 4 (01:39:44):
You were going to get a pay rise this year
just because you have to put up with me? So
then nothing else?

Speaker 17 (01:39:49):
Who?

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
Yeah, Okay, enjoy your weekend and I'll see you on Monday,
and good will come from requid.

Speaker 13 (01:39:59):
You can't say with my dad friends, That's the gist
from all my excess, I kind of think that this
was best left. They're in the past where it belongs.
I feeling all bewhelming inside that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
Of all the friends I.

Speaker 13 (01:40:22):
Do not have left, seeing I'm a family, he has fractions.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Moving up and moving on.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
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