Full Show Podcast: 02 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to
coverage like no one else. News Talks Heavy Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we're going to
speak to the father of the teenager arrested in that
Gaza flotilla, the boss of the warehouse on how he's
going to turn this particular ship around. In the former
Maori Party candidate Mechaphyity on what is now quite obvious
fighting in the party.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Heather duplicy Ellen, Look, I reckon.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
We shouldn't panic too much on behalf of those three
New Zealand citizens who've been intercepted by the Israeli military
and the flotilla, because I mean, obviously we want international
law to be followed. But it's pretty clear that these
guys knew what they were getting themselves into and did
it anyway. I mean, they are absolutely milking this for
all that it's worth, with the social media posts claiming
they've been kidnapped and all that kind of stuff by

(00:51):
the Israelis. By the way, but they knew this was
going to happen and they were prepared for it because
it is what happened to Greta in June. She was
on the flotilla that got stopped by the IDA, and
they took her to ash Dodd and they kept her
for a few hours, and then they tried to make
her watch a video of the October seven massacre. She
didn't want to, and then they put her on a
plane in the back row right in front of the toilets,
so there wasn't even any reclining space for her. And

(01:13):
then they packed her off home and that was fine,
and so they got on some warships and they tried
to do it again. So it was always going to
play out in exactly the same way. And for that reason,
I think it is fair to call this a stunt,
being that what they're doing there's something that they know
has no reasonable chance of success, which is delivering aid
to Gaza. But they're doing it anyway to draw attention
to Gaza. That's a stunt. Now, I'm not going to

(01:35):
criticize them for wanting to draw attention to Gaza, because
it is horrific and intolerable what's happening there. And if
there is any doubt that the Israelis are deliberately constraining
the flow of aid. I think that was quite quite
obviously dispelled this week when the Trump Peace Plan was
released and it promised that if Hamasis accepts the deal,
then full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza strip,
which is essentially I think you can see an admission

(01:57):
that full aid is currently being withheld from the Gaza Strip.
So I understand why they want to draw attention to it,
but I still don't have much time for stunts like
this because generally they don't actually draw attention to the
thing that they're trying to draw attention to, which is
the starvation in Gaza. They only really draw attention to themselves,
which is Greha and her mates. That's what we're talking about.

(02:19):
We're not talking about Gaza today, are we We're talking
about Greha and her mates. The whole thing becomes about
the safety and the treatment of the activists, not the
safety and the treatment of the people of Gaza. And frankly,
they are, in my opinion, of no value whatsoever to
the people of Gaza right now. Now. Obviously, I do
hope the IDEAF treats these kids well. Our diplomats. Diplomats
have asked for as much, but they knew this was

(02:40):
going to happen.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Ever, do for ce elleno is.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
The text understandard text fees apply. Now. There are a
little bit of few concerns about the prescription of tramadol
and whether it's being abused. More than two hundred and
seventy thousand people would prescribe tramadol last year, with an
increase of fourteen percent from five years ago. It is
commonly prescribed before or after surgeries. It can actually be
quite addictive after prolonged use. Plus there are concerns of

(03:09):
a usage in the workplace, with recent testing finding that
tramadol made up three point one percent of opioid detections
by the Drug Detection Agency. Doctor j Gong is with
me on this, hij jod o Heather, how are you well?
Thank you? Why are we seeing this increase?

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Well, I think there's a number of reasons. I think
from my research and to pass around surgery, Tramada was
definitely seeing as a very commonly prescribed medication after surgery.
It could be that a lot of clinicians and prescribers
may prefer tramada over some much stronger opioids like morphine
or ox codo, and there might be some perceived ideas
around because it's a weaker opioid, if not as maybe

(03:46):
as addictive and maybe in the long run you might
not you know, also have as much side effect.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, are all of those assumptions correct or incorrect?

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Well, what we've shown how past research that yes, tremida
is not without its proper without the risk of long.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
Term use either.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
So it's not really true that just because it's weak,
it doesn't mean it's sort of safer. And also I
think it's quite important to emphasize that, you know, immediately
after surgery is quite important for patients to have really
good pain relief, and tramadah being the drug that it is,
because it requires our body to sort of transform it

(04:27):
to sort of work as a proper sort of ophoid
pain relief, not everybody may yet the same degree of
pain relief that they should get with trevidall. And in
terms of side effect, you know, tremada is also quite
known to cause nausea as well. And I know that
in the report that you guys talked about just before
was sort of workplace. You know, one of the things
that I've why I've been seeing just after just after

(04:49):
you guys called me about just looking at the rate,
so that there is a particular type of formulation of
opure tablets that's been prescribed a lot more these days,
which is called a long acting tablet, and and that
could be you know, that could be you know, seeing
as somebody taking it at nighttime and then potentially the
levels persisted in their body maybe for longer and perhaps

(05:09):
you know, into when they go to the work the
next day.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Oh, I see what you're saying. Look, does this kind
of thing become more problematic when you've got long waiting
lists for surgery because people who would you know, if
you could get them into surgery and out the other side,
they wouldn't be on it as long. But if they're
trying to manage their pain and the lead up to
surgery for a long time is where you really start
getting addiction problems.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, I mean, we I haven't looked at that in
terms of how waiting list affects sort of OPUS. But
in one of our sort of another research project where
we look at surveys of patients how they use OPIA,
there definitely was a signal of sort of a few
one or two patients that did kind of say, oh,
you know, I'm now having to use opia for much
longer because I waited for surgery. And if you think

(05:53):
about it, you know, long term pain conditions like ostioarthritis
for example, you know we are waiting for hip replacement,
it could mean that you might be on pay relief
for longer and you might need to have stronger pain
releaf thing your normal parasitcom or intrafammetry and you might
need that travedol. So perhaps that could be a contributing factor.

(06:14):
But again that's not something that I've looked at myself.

Speaker 6 (06:18):
Jay.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
If somebody is concerned about this and doesn't want to
get addicted to something so it doesn't want to take trabadell,
is there an alternative that they could ask for.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
I mean, there are some other alternatives, but it really
depends on the pain, the type of pain, because pain
is quite complex and is quite variable for people to
a person to person. I mean, I think, well, I
think for the best thing would be to contact the
health providers. There might be other alternatives, so definitely contact
the GP if you're very concerned, and also if you've

(06:49):
been taking tremadall for a long time and you know
the pain is aren't getting better, it might mean that
there's something else going wrong as well.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
HM. That's a very good point, Jay, Thanks very much.
Doctor j Gong, who's a lecturer in clinical at Auckland
University School of Pharmacy. I tossed up whether I wanted
to tell you this, and then I thought, no, there's
a life lesson than this. I'm going to tell you
this blast from the past sounds like old cold Play.
Kiss cam Ceo is back with his wife. So they
were snapped by paparazzi, the pair of them. They were

(07:17):
out exercising and enjoying a picnic together.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Now.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I don't know about you, but you don't exercise with
somebody you hate, do you. I mean you can picnic
with somebody you hate, because you could use it as
an opportunity to try to talk about I don't know,
shared custody of the kids and how are you going
to divide up the matrimonial home. I don't know. You
could use it as a kind of like a neutral
territory to have an awkward discussion. But you don't go
for a jog or a pilates with somebody you just

(07:40):
want to punch in the face, do you. They also
sat in lounge chairs and enjoyed snacks and a drink.
Later on, they were photographed on a walk together while
both still wearing their wedding rings. Now, all I'm going
to say about this is she loses her right to complain.
You're going to take somebody back like that. You know
you know what's coming at you, lady. Quarter past.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
It's the Heather to Bussy Alan Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 3 (08:08):
You'll have seen the news by now. The mushroom chef
is going to appeal her conviction. She's got a new barrister.
This is her third one. Murray Olds will talk us
through it when he's with us in the next half hour.
Right now to eighteen past four Sport.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
With tab bed Live with in play R eighteen theb Responsibly.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
Darcy water Grave, I like side when you introduce me
all the relationship we.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Have sports talk host Hello darsh.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
Just by the way, talking about tab before you heard
that obviously a bit responsibly R eighteen this weekend. If
you're Formula one tragic like I am, and considering what
Racing Ball and Liam Lawson did last time, Dollar eighty
seven for him to go to Q three and qualifying.
That's the third stage and qualifying and a dollar eighty

(08:54):
seven for a points finish. It might be a bit
of a stretch because it's always dangerous in Formula one.
It's interesting accidents at Singapore the night race. But you know,
you want to support your local boy, that's probably the
best way to do it. So I'd look toward that
because race cars.

Speaker 7 (09:10):
It's pretty much my excuse for why did you do that?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Bogan? Now, Tim Robinson, talk to me about this man.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
Tim Robbins is gonna be on the show tonight? Is
he Tim Robinson? I call I don't call him but
Mitch Santa Claus Mitchell Santna Chalky because he used to
break bones all the time. Is also known as flatline
because he's emotionless.

Speaker 7 (09:31):
He chop his leg off. He just looks at you
and goes, well, why did you do that? There's just
no reaction.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
I think that Tim Robinson's like that, do you When
he scored his ton so he comes in for Rasia.

Speaker 7 (09:42):
Revenge is a great friend of his.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
So ration cut his face up and so Tim Robinson
gets rolled on and to do that and a bit
of a tricky old start and kind of stumbled around
a bit and then started licking the.

Speaker 7 (09:54):
Ball all over the park.

Speaker 6 (09:55):
He scored a ton right, a ton and a T
twenty match. Barey reacted, It's like, are you alive?

Speaker 7 (10:03):
Are you dead?

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Bro?

Speaker 6 (10:05):
I like that the hit and he hits a sex
off the last ball, just to you know, rub it in.

Speaker 7 (10:09):
He's off the park. So he joining us to Night's
talk about that and where he.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Sits because he's he's only a young dude. He's like
twenty three.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
Years at times.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Has he appeared for the black Caps.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
I think in t twenties it'll be his thirteenth a
parents and he's probably knocked up about three or four
one day International.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Because he was just he I mean, he sounds like
he's he was just docking lambs last week apparently.

Speaker 7 (10:32):
On the farm.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, just out on the farm and then they got
the call up and like he just is it seems
to be just takes it astride.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
The parents have got a farm up in Hunterville, which
is a place I used to go to because my
great auntie Pat used to live in a hunter place called
Vinegar Hill down there, and people around the area and
know exactly what I'm talking about. A great place to be,
so he just keeps it real Doc's name. Absolutely don't
like the cut of his mustache or his hair.

Speaker 8 (11:00):
But anyway, whatever, you know, that's the way you do
you mate, you know that's it, I mean more more
interested in the ton.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
Yeah, well that's it, Like who cares?

Speaker 9 (11:08):
How?

Speaker 6 (11:08):
I love you?

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Broad your face that like that?

Speaker 7 (11:12):
That's fine.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Is the All Blacks team going to be named it
five thirty?

Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yeah, it's coming out. We're not entirely sure what's going
on with that, but Elliot Smith's our man over there
on the floor, so we'll get him on the program
tonight as well to look at that. Damie McKenzie will
be coming in at first five eight for Bowden. Barrett
still question marks over whether Caleb Clark gets a role
the stone.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
For me, championship has been a mess? Was that you
was that? Libby says, championship has been a mess? Do
you see that there?

Speaker 10 (11:43):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (11:43):
Really?

Speaker 3 (11:44):
She says, She says, you agreed with her that that
was a good note to give me.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
Really, Darcy, it's really hard to predict this championship because
it's been all.

Speaker 7 (11:55):
Over this show.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
You mean by Championship has been a mess.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
Well, champions has been a mess because we know there's
no predictions. You just don't know what's going to happen.
It's been up and down all over the shop.

Speaker 7 (12:04):
So you look at it.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
South Africa have to lose this weekend to give the
All Blacks a chance, right, And they're playing Argentina and
they're a dollar sixteen favorites.

Speaker 7 (12:13):
Off the top of my head, I try to rate
they're playing. Tweking them they're.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Playing You could you could say mess or you could
say exciting.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
Yeah, well that's it. I find mess is exciting. I'm
a messy individual. I'll just go back to when I was,
you know, growing up. My old man goes, You're never
going to get anywhere in this life until I learn
how to clean your room. Yeah, anyway, house right now?

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Oh lord, once again again, Darcy, thank you very much.

Speaker 7 (12:38):
Free sh I'm a collection a bourbon bottles sitting on
the window.

Speaker 11 (12:41):
All right.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
I did that when I was seventeen.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
And it's still there. No there wor Darcy water Grave
Sports Stalk Hoasta Mustache Guy for twenty two.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplic Ellen
Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else
news talks.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
They'd be oh, this is an interesting idea, nurses text
through Heather. As a nurse, I do have to wonder
about the lack of tolerance of discomfort in the present population,
which is another example of the wimpiness of the post
baby boomers. What the nurse is basically saying is we're
going a little hard on the pain killers and taking it,
taking it all the time instead of maybe just sitting
with a little bit of discomfort. Is that true? Because

(13:22):
I just did a little I just did a little
test of the team that we've got here. What we
take the painkillers for is three women, So it's the
obvious things. Period pains right, Sorry to have to say
that right at you four twenty five, but that's what
we're taking the painkillers for. Also for headaches, that's the
German She takes it for the headaches. And Libby came
down with a really bad case of COVID earlier this week,

(13:44):
which is why she's been absent from work, so she says,
and she reckoned, she took the painkillers for the COVID.
This all seems like reasonable. I don't think I've come
to be fair. I don't think I've come across anybody
who I would describe as a wimp wanting painkillers?

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (13:57):
I mean? Obviously the nurse is going to be working
in the ED. He's going to have people coming in
with the psciatica, screaming and vomiting and carrying on and
demanding painkillers. So she'll see a lot of this. But
so as far as I mean, norm, I don't know
she'll know what she's talking about. Maybe we are a
bunch of whimps. A weigh in on that if you
want to, I'd love to know. For twenty six now,
something is definitely going on in the Malordi party because

(14:18):
it looks like remember within Tarkuter Ferris carry on where
he was racist about migrants and then he got told
off for that, and then he doubled down with that
weird video that looked like it had been after he
had hot Boxter's lounge or something like that, and then
he wouldn't take the video down and he was ordered
to take it down, and the party was apologizing on
his bar and he wasn't apologizing. Well, the whole thing
has just got a whole lot weirder because the guy

(14:39):
who runs the treaty you remember the anti treaty bill protest,
that really big one. He has now cut his ties
with the Maldi party and criticized the leadership. And this
is significant because Eru Kappa Kinghi has mum Is Mari
Ameno Cupa Kingi who's one of the MP's and who
also was recently stripped of her role as the party's whip.

(15:00):
Debingardi were package just took it off her and decided
she was the whip one day, So the whole thing
does start to feel like there's something going on.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
He said.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
The leaders run the place like a dictatorship, and the
leaders being obviously John tamerheaded the president, Rawi y Tit
and debing Ardi were pack of the co leaders, and
also Fyi John's daughter Kitty, who is married Toahwiti who
is the press second has a lot of party power
in the party, so it seems like the four of
them he's taken issue with. Also, Maria Menor herself has

(15:27):
made some comments today and basically described some dysfunction within
the party. So Barry Soper will tell us what he
knows about it when he's with us shortly, and then
we'll speak to Mecca Fi Titty, who's a former Mahori
Party candidate and former Labour Party MP. Obviously she'll be
us after half past five.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
News Talks Big, the day's newspakers talked to Heather first.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Heather dupersy Ellen drive with.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
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Talks VAC.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Run after five o'flop, We're going to have a chat
to the new boss of the Warehouse Group, Chees. These
guys have got a tough a it's been a tough
year again. They've delivered a net loss of two point
eight million dollars for the year, which at least is
better than it was last year, which is a loss
of fifty four million dollars. Anyway, stand by Mark Sturton.
He's if I remember correctly, he's come over from South

(16:21):
Africa's running an outfit called mister Price over there, which
is massive in South Africa. So he'll be more than
more than capable of dealing with us anyway, but us
Us New Zealander is the Warehouse but his first time
talking to him, so he'll be with us after five o'clock.
Chrishpkins has just weighed in on the flotilla.

Speaker 12 (16:39):
The New Zealand government needs to do everything it can
to ensure that those New Zealanders who were on the
floateller can come home to New Zealand safely. They should
be pulling out all the stops to make sure that
can happen.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Barrisopa with us in ten minutes time on that twenty
four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
The flotilla heading to Gaza has been intercepted by the
Israeli military. Three Kiwii citizens are on board. Here they
are being given the news.

Speaker 13 (17:04):
We have many many boats ahead of us. They are
more more than likely military vessos. And at least stay
in your positions.

Speaker 14 (17:13):
We are prepared to lean. Remember the training.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Over in the US. Pope Leo has taken aim at
the climate change skeptics.

Speaker 15 (17:20):
Some have chosen to deride the increasingly evident signs of
climate change, to ridicule those who speak of global warming,
and even to blame the poor for the very thing
that affects them the most.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
He called for pressure on governments to develop tougher climate standards.
And finally, only chocolate will do. And in this mood,
I have to have my chocolate, Pavlover. Chocolate could be
about to get cheaper. That's the best news you've had
all day, probably a week, if not all season. Chocolate
is about to get cheaper if you're in India. Unfortunately,
because it's new European Trade Deal means treats like chocolates

(17:58):
get a zero percent tariff.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Murray old Ossie, correspondent is with US MARS.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
Hello, very good afternoon.

Speaker 7 (18:10):
Edn't listen.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
I just got to confirm location. You are in the
Toilet's our Chinese restaurant.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
Yes I am. I'm having a delicious young char lunch.
We've just demolished the first course. Green tea is the
only beverage being consumed. I could confirm that, but I
am hiding out on the dunny, okay, because out there
in the restaurant's far too noise.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Okay, So we're just going to you just bar the
door while we have this chat and then you can
let them in afterwards. Not really a surprise, is it
that the mushroom chef is appealing the guilty verdicts.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
That's right, dear Aaron Patterson. She's fifty one years old
and if she doesn't succeed an appeal, she will be
in Jaian until she's at least eighty three. Here's the
thing she's appealing against, the guilty verdicts, not the length
of sentence for murdering three relatives trying to murder report.
The jury found it guilty for baross with the small
and confirmed an appeal would be lodged. There's no ground

(19:02):
spelled out, no documentation lodged yet formally at least. But
Pattison attended the hearing heather by a video link from jail.
She's got a new legal team and it's headed by
this very high profile barristers guy called Julian McMahon sc
and he his big name was made when he defended

(19:22):
members of the Bali nine druggist smuggling ring. So yes,
that confirmation coming this morning in the in the Victorian
Court of Criminal Appeal.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
How was she affording it? Because I thought she'd sold
up everything she had to pay the other barristers.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
I have no idea and these guys as you know,
five thousand and six ten thousand bucks a day. So
I'm going to how she's paying for it?

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, so interesting. What's happening with your house prices?

Speaker 13 (19:45):
Must right?

Speaker 5 (19:46):
House prices. New figures today show, well, it's a crisis
over here. I understand it's pretty much a crisis over
home in New Zealand as well. These figures produced by
Sky News the Ossie housing crisis bad and getting worse,
housing prices rising nearly twice as fast as wages that
since the COVID pandemic twenty twenty. The national median house

(20:07):
price ever here has jumped fifty two percent the last
five years, fifty two percent, up from five hundred and
sixty five thousand dollars December twenty twenty September this year
eight hundred and sixty k so three hundred thousand dollars
jump three even things up, Incomes will have to jump,
according to these figures, by nineteen percent, or house prices
to four by sixteen percent. Neither's going to happen. Salaries

(20:30):
are up over the same time by a poultry sixteen
thousand dollars. The average salary up from sixty to seventy
six thousand dollars. No wonder. People are screaming. And at
the same time, the federal governments just launched this week
help for first home buyers. If you've got a five
percent deposit, you can now get access to government help
to get you in your own home. The rules have

(20:50):
been changed. It's called the Home Guarantee Scheme. Previously, you know,
young borrowers had to have twenty percent deposit. Well, good
luck on that. You can't save twenty percent while you're
paying rent somewhere else. So, in other words, this five
percent scheme is going to have ninety five percent borrowings
and mortgages. Now, there's two warnings this afternoon. It's going
to push up prices even higher. Plus means testing has

(21:13):
been removed. God only knows why, Heather, so there's nothing
to stop they could him the opposition over here, nothing
at all to stop wealthy investors jumping in your jumping
first time buyers who are desperate scheme get their first
little place anywhere, any size, will do just to get
their foot in the market.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Listen, is it becoming more and more likely that Daisy
Freeman is not alive?

Speaker 5 (21:36):
Oh? For sure, for sure. Thirty seven days now, he's
been on the run, no sightings whatsoever the police. I
don't know why they did it. Today they've renewed the
appeal to people. You know, if you know anything about
us whereabouts, please come forward. By the way, there's a
million dollar award out there. But there's been no sighting
of them, no campfires, no empty tins of bake beans,

(21:59):
and you have to think at some point the police
are saying the search is continuing, but at some point,
as a not too distant future hither you'd have to
assume they would have to assume that he's dead somewhere
out there. It's a hell of a remote country, as
we've discussed before, and he could be anywhere. But you know,
the longer there's no sighting, you'd have to assume he's dead.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Maz, what's next on the what's your next course?

Speaker 5 (22:23):
I was eye enough to spring rolls, but there's some
delicious pork buns out there. We already had one of
those and some fantastic little dumplings that I want to
second help it.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
I feel like having lunch again, Mars. Thank you very much,
go and enjoy it. Murray OL's Australia correspondent. We managed
to make it through there without without anybody intercepting him
in the toilet eighteen away.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
From five Heather do for see.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
I'm sorry, but can you actually believe Hipkins telling the
government what to do over the Garza Flottella. He is
the guy that treated people so badly during COVID and
kept them out of the out of the country. What
a good point here he is being like, oh, are
you pregnant in Afghanistan? No, sorry, you can't come back
into the country. Oh did you knowingly bored a flotilla
and go try to get to Gaza and you knew

(23:03):
what was we need to get you back? Yeah, that's
Chippy for you. Hilarious. This is Chippy's problem. We haven't forgotten,
have we. We haven't forgotten and we will not forget
what he's been up to. Listen, if you've been to
the doctor lately and you've looked at the script and
go what the actual hell? You will relate with this.
A court in India has taken on the doctors with
their dodgy handwriting. So this is a court. The Punjab

(23:24):
in Hariana High Court has ordered doctors that they have
to write legibly because in their opinion. A llegible prescription
is a patient's fundamental right as it can make a
difference between life and death. And it's come about because
a judge could not make got given a medico legal
report and could not make out a single word, like,
not one word at all. He said it shook the

(23:46):
conscience of this court that not even a word or
a letter was legible. So he has ordered the doctors
in India until India fully switches to digital prescriptions, which
I don't know how long we're not even fully switched
to digital prescriptions. So you know this is going to
be potential one hundreds of years for India as well.
Doctors have to write in block letters and the courts
even suggested handwriting letters for the medical students. Bang On

(24:09):
seventeen away from five.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
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Speaker 3 (24:14):
Certainty fourteen away from five. Barry Soper, Senior Political Correspondence
with Us Right now, High.

Speaker 7 (24:18):
Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
What's going on in the Maori Party?

Speaker 7 (24:22):
Well you may well ask quite a lot really when
you get the son of one of the Maori Parties
MPs who was their whip up until recently and who
was fired as the whip and the job was taken
over by the leader or one of the co leader,
Debira Packer. You know, the party is not certainly going

(24:49):
along as smoothly as what it should do. And this
guy Rukupa Kingi, he was the person who organized that
massive Equoi to Parliament which was a great equal no
violence and it was held pretty well. But reminds me
a bit of the time when the Alliance Party was falling,
falling apart in two thousand and two and Jim Andersen

(25:11):
went often formed the Progressive Party. But there's a difference here.
The Maori Party have seats, so they constituentcy MPs and
if you've got them arguing like this, then you're, you know,
the people that are representing their constituency. It's much harder
to break away.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
In trying to make is am I right in thinking
that that if the leadership doesn't like what Maria Menor
and Ferris Takuta Feris are doing, they can't fire them.
Are electoral MPs.

Speaker 7 (25:41):
That's exactly right, and that's the difficulty they've got. But
when you look at the Sun the organizer of the Equi,
he's saying that their leadership is nothing short of a dictatorship. Now,
that's what we've been told, but we don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Exactly he's run. If you're a successful part in the way,
you know, the way that we do politics currently and
have done for a very long time, it's always run centralized, right.
Oh yes, of course your leaders call the shots.

Speaker 7 (26:09):
The leaders tend to call the shots. But when you've
got a rebel MP, and look, I've seen many rebel
MPs over the years, and your older listeners will remember,
starting with Mike Minogue and Rob Muldoon back in the
early eighties. You know the MPs they do sometimes go

(26:29):
out and speak like Ferris Terrible getting the names. I'm
afraid hither that fellow firess who runs, who represents the
whole of the South Island, you know he he I

(26:50):
don't know what he was doing in that late night
cross on social media, but he didn't seem to, I
think know what he was doing himself, even though he
did triple down on it.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Can I just suggest though, that the loss of Eru
Kappakinghi is actually quite significant for the Malordi Party because
he runs, He was very very he assisted them a
lot with that.

Speaker 7 (27:11):
H he was a candidate and the former vice president.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yes, but that hekoi that he ran for them was fantastic.
He is to them, I think a little bit like
the unions are to Labor. It's like the loss of
the unions would be quite significant to Labor.

Speaker 7 (27:26):
Yes, yeah, yeah, so it's you know, significant for the party.
And the difficulty, of course is for Crusipkins because I
see he's distanced himself yet again from the Mahori Party.
But the more they behave like this, the less it
looks like that Labor would lead a government at the
next election. I don't think it would anyway, but the

(27:49):
Malordi Party would have to be part of that.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Any word from Jonesy on the old Energy announcement, It's.

Speaker 7 (27:54):
Will have been deafened by Jonesy's silence actually, and I
think I'm sure he doesn't want to pete of what
we saw when the twenty seventeen government was formed and
he was standing on the stage with Jasinda Dern and
Megan Woods when they announced there would be no more
exploration of oil and gas in this country. And you

(28:15):
remember he buried his hand, had his head in his
hands on stage. It's pretty obvious, it's a real protest.
But look, Jonesy feels that there should be more. There
should be more radical this reform of the electricity system.
He would like to see renationalization of it. He wrote
a twenty pa page report for Winston Peters outlining his

(28:39):
views some time ago. So look, the fact that he
didn't turn up to the announcement was no accident. I
talked to him today and he said, oh, there happened
to be a Maori Women's Welfare League meeting in Katya
as it was on your back door. Jonesie, Oh, that's
very heady. But I'll tell you what. He will be

(29:01):
speaking tomorrow at a thing with Winston Peters. There will
be a lot of protesters there, I would imagine on
the Palestinian situation with Winston turning out. But I think
you'll find him putting paid to the suggestion by Chris
Hipkins continually that no gas has been found in New
Zealand because gas has been discovered, he.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Very quickly, can you just run me through what's gone
on here with the Monyeru onm that I because the
cop said is not enough evidence to lay corruption charges yet.

Speaker 7 (29:32):
And look, it's fear if the police say that because
they not only brought in the serious fraud Offers to
review their investigation into it, they also brought in the
Public Service Commission and they say there's not enough evidence.
Now you'll remember a lot of people that worked at
the Malay said that information was being handed over. They

(29:53):
were looking at corruption charges possibly being laid, but they
said the evidence is not there. That doesn't mean that
there was nothing to answer for.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Okay, Barry, thanks very much, Barry Sober Chief Seeingior Political correspondent.
Eight away from five.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Hard Talk and Bold takes big stories. It's the Mic Hosking.

Speaker 16 (30:15):
Breakfast, just Bishops Housing, Minister, the Dixon Street Department.

Speaker 17 (30:18):
Things.

Speaker 16 (30:18):
Explain to me how a state owned agency sells something
for a million that the people who buy it under
a first preference deal then flick it for three How
does that work?

Speaker 18 (30:25):
Well, the land's got a rider first refusal on it,
which means they got to offer it to the locallyweed.

Speaker 16 (30:30):
But the market paid three million dollars for it about
three minutes op for one. I understood it to be.
When it came to the Mari there was something culturally significant, sure,
but a duney old building that you can make a
couple of million dollars on by Wednesday. Is that part
of the treaty negotiation settlement processes.

Speaker 10 (30:45):
Yeah, they've got access to a whole lot of land
in Wellington that is part of their deal.

Speaker 16 (30:49):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Land Drover, Defend and News.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Talk zb omg here that those boat protesters knew exactly
what would happen over their hipkins can go over and
rescue them himself five away from five listen. Obviously, the
news today was that Jane Goodall has died aged ninety one.
I don't know if you realized this. I didn't realize this,
but Jane Goodill never did a BA. She was only
the eighth person in the history of Cambridge University to

(31:15):
be given a PhD without having got herself a BA first,
and she basically got it through field work. So she
in the late nineteen fifties, she tagged along with a
very famous paleontologist who was working in Africa and he
employed her. She turned up, he employed her. He sent
her off to Lake Tangua, Yika to study a group
of chimpanzees over there because he wanted a long study
done on them, and so basically she was employed to

(31:37):
just sit there and watch them for months and months
and months and then you know, take notes and figure
out what was going on. At the start, she couldn't
even get close to them at all, So she found
a clearing away from them and watched them, and they
ignored her. But then after a while their curiosity got
the better of them and they went over and you know,
I guess, poked around what she was up to. And
because of that, because they were comfortable with her, she

(31:59):
got to it things no one had ever seen before.
She saw the chimpanzees acting like very similar to how
we act. We know this now, we take this as
a given, but no one knew this at the time.
So they would excitedly greet each other with hugs and kisses.
They'd walked together holding hands. She saw a male chimp
meat a female by taking her hand in his and
then kissing it, bringing it up to his lips and

(32:20):
kissing the hand. All the stuff completely blew the minds
of people back then. Her first discovery that was really
significant was that chimps ate meat. No one knew that beforehand.
The second one was that they used tools like us.
It was five months into her study and she watched
a chimp fishing for termites with a twig that he
had specially fashioned for the purpose. Until then, it had

(32:40):
been thought that what separated men from animals, or man
from animals was the ability our ability to make tools. Anyway,
after a while, the chimps stopped liking having her around.
They started to psych her out, and they tried to
bully her and shake the trees and stomp their feet
and make all these loud noises together. But she she
just took it in her stride. She wasn't going to
be psyched out with them. And then after that they
accepted it, and she basically was able to participate in

(33:01):
a whole bunch of their rituals like grooming and blah
blah blah. Anyway, nineteen sixty five, became only the eighth
person in the history of Cambridge to receive a PhD
without having first got a BA. And her work is
being described as almost comparable with Einstein's. So quite a
remarkable woman, all right. Next we'll talk to the father
of that teenager from Levin who is in trouble with

(33:23):
the IDF for being on that Flotella News Dogsbay.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
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Speaker 3 (33:51):
A teenager is among three New Zealand citizens who have
been detained by Israeli defense forces off the coast of Gaza.
The three were with Greta Tunberg on border float tiller
trying to reach the Gaza Strip. Now Ad Leason is
the father of eighteen year old Samuel Leson and is
with us. Hi Ad. Yeah, I'm very well, thanks mate,
you been in touch with your son at all?

Speaker 19 (34:12):
Well, the last time you spoke was last evening, New
Zealand time.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
And is this before the IDF came on board.

Speaker 19 (34:22):
Yeah, so we kind of spoke to him last night
and all of the signals were suggesting that something was imminent.
There was a submarine had surfaced and was circling the
floatilla and there was the blockade of various military vessels
in the distance between them and the Gaza beach. So

(34:45):
it was all kind of lining up. We were comforted
by the fact that the Israeli Defense forces announced they
weren't going to attack vessels, sink them and shoot people
in the water like they did on another occasion, So
we took comfort from that. And the way it looks

(35:06):
like it's playing out is that they are boarding ships,
taking people and and processing them on their on their battleships.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
And then what presumably just sending them home?

Speaker 19 (35:19):
Are they Yeah, I mean I think again the pattern
seems to be they put them in these detention centers.
There's there's some hundred thousand Palestinians and in these massive
detention centers. So the activists get thrown and there. Some
activists are choosing to kind of get a get a

(35:39):
fast track deportation, I think at their own expense. Other
other activists have chosen to sit it out in the
cells as a kind of a witness to the war
crimes that are taking place and taking their you know,
taking their fight into the cells. I guess Samuel announced
last night that he would be, you know, staying on

(36:03):
a little bit longer, so he's choosing.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
To talk him out of that at all.

Speaker 19 (36:09):
Look, I don't know if you've ever raised teenagers, they
do exactly what you say they are totally obedient and compliant,
which which of course is not true. So he's a
young man with his own mind. He's had he's had
a strong and rich Catholic formation within an anarchist community

(36:32):
called the Catholic Worker. So he's he's been exposed to
lots of different ideas. He's been in the Mardi world
and drawing deeply from I guess all sorts of traditions,
and he has made up his own mind.

Speaker 6 (36:51):
What can you do?

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Okay, listen any expectation from the New Zealand government here?

Speaker 19 (36:57):
Well, yes, we've got a fantastic history of standing up
to French nuclear testing in the Pacific and and apartheid
in South Africare and we can we can go back
through our long and storied history. Unfortunately, we've got an
administration who seems to be content to be sitting on
their hands, asleep at the wheel. While a's terrible, the

(37:22):
most arguably the most obscene atrocities of our generation, because
it's it's done by a modern country just like us,
one we do sports with and trade with, and we
see the Israelis as close friends and now they're now
they're descending into some sort of barbarism. And and Winston

(37:42):
Peters unfortunately is you know, is touching himself at work
and not doing his job. He's just he's looking the
other way. And his ministry are doing a fine job.
They're communicating, they're helping, but they're working within the parameters
of the minister which are.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Very restrictive.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
All right, Adi, thanks very much, appreciate your time. Best
of luck with everything. Ad Leson, who's the father of
Samuel Leeson who's been arrested by the ID. If it's
eleven past five, heller do for Cee Allen Right. The
Warehouse Group has had another tough year, it's been reported,
or rather it has reported a net loss of two
point eight million dollars for the year. Mark Sturton is
the chief executive of the Warehouse Group. Harmark, Hi, you
that tough day.

Speaker 13 (38:24):
For you guys.

Speaker 20 (38:26):
Yeah, it's a tough day.

Speaker 21 (38:27):
You know.

Speaker 20 (38:27):
The economy is in a tough space as well, and
we're feeling it as a retailer in these conditions and
consumers are doing a tough and yeah, we're proud that
we were able to keep our top line in the
positive in this environment, but unfortunately we had to reduce
some of our prices and be competitive with a lot

(38:47):
more promotions and clearance, which hurt our gross margins and
they're ultimately our result at the bottom line, despite doing
some really good work on cost control.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
How much of what is going on with the warehouse
is down to the economy and how much of it
is down to the warehouse and its own problems.

Speaker 20 (39:05):
Yeah, I think that the economy is definitely weighing on
the consumer sentiments. I mean, we're still getting over all
the brands. We still get one point seven million people
come through our doors every week, which is incredible number
of visits for us as a brand. So we're definitely
getting the foot traffic and our conversions up across all
our brands, which is great. People are finding the things

(39:27):
that we that they want. Unfortunately, the basket sizes are
not as big as what they need to be, and
that's also a function of the mix of the products
that people are buying. We're seeing a lot more people
buying into smaller items, ticket items, which you know, you
have to sell a lot more of those to make
up the dollars that.

Speaker 17 (39:45):
You need in order to get the top line moving,
so and.

Speaker 20 (39:48):
A lot of those items come at lower margin. So
that's really the story is that we've and that's across
all three of our brands. We've found that the mix
of the products that are being sold is actually also
affect our gross margin.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
How long have you been in the job now?

Speaker 20 (40:04):
Ours the group's CFO, and I came over in April
last year, so yeah, I've been in the role for
fifteen months and then I took over on the first
of August the CEO.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Okay, do you see a way to turn this around?

Speaker 20 (40:16):
Definitely. I think we've got incredible brands. I've actually I
can't believe that we've actually got that endowment of one
point seven million feet. I mean, you think about New
Zealand's a population of five point two million, and you've
got that amount of visitors coming through your stores every week.
It's owns our job to convert those feet into more
meaningful baskets. And you know, our stores under our old

(40:38):
strategy was more digitally focused, and we're going to get
more focused on our stores. We've got some incredible house
brands that have probably fallen by the wayside, and we're
going to amplify those and so we're really going to
dig into our rural and regional roots, which were exceptionally
strong as a business in those towns and cities, and
then those are our urban areas where we've got a
lot more competition. We probably haven't invest enough in the

(41:00):
store experience and things like lighting and visual merchandising and
the way we present our products. And we're getting some
amazing traction in our beauty range. And you know, we've
seen there's a lot of green shoots around the business.
But we would be lovely if the economy also played ball,
and we really hopeful that the ocr cuts that hopefully
come up will help us on our journey.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, best of luck with that, Mark, Thanks so much,
Mark Sturs and Chief executive of the Warehouse Group. Right,
we'll deal with Jane Goodll. NeXT's quarter past. Listen. As
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Speaker 1 (42:25):
Heather duper Cy Allen, Heather.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Definitely, mismanagement has put the Warehouse group in the position
that it is, But there is some faith in Mark
Hither when I shop at the Warehouse, it never fails
to disappoint me. Heather, I bought the same T shirt
off Sheen, Sheen Shine whatever, who knows?

Speaker 22 (42:40):
Don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
The Germans trying to tell me it's Sheen, but I
don't know. Is it Sheen? We don't know? Could be Shine? Anyway,
bought it for fifteen dollars. It was thirty nine dollars
at the warehouse, at least of the warehouse. You know
how to pronounce it, It's pretty simple. Nineteen past five. Now,
primate expert and environmentalist Jane Goodle has died at the
age of ninety one. She was a pioneer and primate
research sciences who redefined how we understand chimpanzees. Karen Fifield

(43:03):
is the CEO of Wellington Zoo and with us now, Hey.

Speaker 11 (43:06):
Karen Gora, Heather, how are you very well?

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Thank you? Do you think I ca that her research
has been instrumental in changing the way that we understand
the chimps.

Speaker 23 (43:15):
I think her research was definitely part of changing the
way we see chimps and all animals really around sentience
and around what animals think and feel and how we
can actually make their lives better and be part of
that journey towards better science.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah, did you ever see her speaking?

Speaker 23 (43:35):
Yes, I've known Jane since nineteen ninety eight and a
few times she's been to Wellington Zoo as well, and
so I had the honor and privilege of actually interviewing
her last year and when she was in Wellington, Wow,
at the Opera House, and it was actually one of
the honors of my life, I must say, to share
the stage with someone as wonderful as Jane and we

(43:58):
had a lovely chat to a packed audio in Wellington
and you could just see people just honoring this amazing
woman who had done so much for people, animals and
the planet.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
So totally different fields, but someone has compared her work
to Einstein's in terms of how importance it is important
to this What do you think.

Speaker 23 (44:20):
Well, I mean, it was groundbreaking and she was a
true trailblazer and she was brave and bold and did
things that people said she could never do and she
went and did it. And she you know, she's the
first to say she said, I just did it. And
she was just incredibly brave out in the wilds of
Africa with her mother doing this work with chimpanzees, and

(44:42):
obviously Lewis Leakey having that trust in her to send
her out to do this work was incredible as well.
But it was groundbreaking. The fact that we understood was
she understood first of all that chimpanzees used tools, did
many things that humans do, and we know that chimpanzees
grieve and have expressions of love and all of those

(45:03):
things that we have as well, and that really came
from Jane opening our eyes to what was happening with
chimpanzees in the wild.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Hey, it's really good to talk to you, Karen. Thank
you so much for your time. That's Karen Fifield, Wellington
Zoo CEO. Heather. I have told you before it's Sheen
because it is a contraction of she indoors. Thank you
for once and for all we have settled it. Five
twenty one. Oh listen, we're going to have to talk
about electricity next again.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Heather Duper Clan drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else us talk there'd be.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Five twenty four. Now you know what, I'm just going
to throw caution to the wind and I'm going to
tell you why the answer to our electricity problems, at
least price wise and at least in the short term,
is to take electricity out of the ets. Now, as
I said yesterday, this is going to flip out the
people who are worried about the climate. So I don't
know if voters are ready for something bold, and certainly
the National Party is not ready for something that's bold,

(46:03):
which is why they're not doing it. But it would
actually drop the price of your electricity bill pretty much overnight.
Because all the ETS is the emissions trading scheme, all
that is for your power bill is a tax, right,
It is a punishment tax for doing something that hurts
the climate, which is burning gas or coal. If we
took electricity out of the ETS, it would drop the

(46:23):
wholesale price of electricity by thirty to forty five percent
according to some estimates. Now that is massive when you
consider that all the things that Simon Watts announced yesterday
would only drop the wholesale price by two percent. Take
it out of the ETS, it's thirty to forty five percent. Now,
this is not some weird idea that I've dreamed up.
This was recommended to Simon Watts as one of the

(46:45):
ten things that he should do to fix the electricity system,
and the researchers who recommended it said it would save
one point five billion dollars in what we're paying in
our electricity bills every single year. That's how much paying
in this punishment tax. Now, Simon Watts doesn't want to
have to do it, because I'm told by people who
have met with him he's also, of course the Climate Minister,

(47:07):
Energy Minister and the Climate Minister, and it would make
him look bad as the climate minister. Obviously. It would
also make the Gnats look bad to people who are
worried about the climate, and they don't want that. But
I'm not sure that they've got their political calculation right here,
because if it is true that one in three Kiwi
households are struggling to pay their electricity bills and that
the cost of living is the most important thing to voters,
then I think this might actually be something that is

(47:28):
politically smart, right, doing something that immediately reduces power bills.
If the Gnats don't want to do it, then maybe
another party like New Zealand First should consider running on
the idea at the next election, because it will make
power cheaper immediately.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Ever, due for cellen Now, do you.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Remember the other day there was this brew ha ha
about the fact that the Prime Minister Chris Luckson had
sent a letter to Chris Hopkins asking for bipartisanship on something.
I don't know what the subject was. But anyway, it
was about bipartisanship and he sent it to Happens at
full thirty and then it popped up in the media
half an hour later. His office, the Prime Minister's office,
has now admitted it did, in fact leak the letter

(48:09):
to the Herald. They said they sent it to one
media company and then subsequently to all others who asked
for it. And they've said this to Stuff because Stuff
has got their neckers in ant about the Herald getting
it first. Anyway, there is more to this. It now
turns out that Meagan Woods, whose Labour's energy spokesperson, also
sent a letter back in August on the twentieth to
Simon Watts asking if the government would work with Labor

(48:32):
in a bipartisanship matter matter manner, and that letter also
made its way into the hands of the media. It
was an Energy News a week later with the headline
Labor will work with government on gas plan. So the
lesson from this is that what is going on is
this is the new thing to do, which is to
write letters to each other and immediately leak it. Write

(48:52):
letters saying hey, we want to be nice to you,
leak it immediately and then you don't actually have to
be nice, you just look like you're trying to be nice.
So let's all see through that, because we could see
the game being played here anyway, Mega Fight today, next,
and what's going on with the Maori party?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile news talks Bore taking me.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
We have the huddle standing by Jordan Williams and Allie Jones.
I suspected I'm going to ask Jordan about this. I
suspect he's got he's got some strong feelings about what
Wayne Brown has done today, which is sworn at the
Auckland Ratepayers Alliance. So the rat Payers Alliance is tied
him with the Taxpayers Union, which Jordan's involved with. What
they did was, this is the Auckland Ratepayers Alliance. They
wrote to the mayor Brown and asked him to pledge

(49:52):
to keeping rates to just the level of inflation. And
he replied with a two word answer, if off. But
he obviously he didn't censor himself. He's on leave today.
His spokesperson's been asked to explain what's been going on.
The spokesperson says the mayor wished to be unambiguous as
he was anyway the huddle on that shortly twenty four
away from six now there seems to be quite a

(50:13):
spat within the Maori Party. The leader of the Treaty Bill,
protest Eru Kapakini, has cut ties with the Marti Party.
He's also the son of one of the Maori Party's
MP's who was recently stripped of her role as whip.
Former Labour MP Mecha fights that he ran for the
Maori Party last election. Himeker, do you order hear that?
Do you think that if we look at this, we
look at the fact that his mum was stripped of

(50:34):
the party's chief whip role, the fact that you've had
Takuza Ferris, you know, doubling down, tripling down on his position,
refusing to remove videos. Does it look to you like
there's something going on here?

Speaker 24 (50:44):
Well, there's something something in the water down there, that's
for sure. Hither, I don't know quite because obviously, as
you know, I've been away from the party for every
year now and since these dynamic MPs have entered Parliament.
It's really been an area I haven't had much to
do with him basically, but supporting from Afar.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Yeah, what do you think is the worst case scenario here?

Speaker 24 (51:09):
So there's a lot of dynamics at play, as you
would know, heither. I mean, you've just since said it yourself.
There's some family ties there. There's also the dynamics of
any political party as they're gearing up for next year's
general election. You've got relationships, you've got copappa, you've got
new movements. So you know, without either you or I've

(51:30):
been in the thick of things, you know, we can
just purely speculate. It's unfortunate because I have such a
lot of respect for Edu what he's done. I have
a huge respect for his mother, and I have a
huge respect to those colleagues in the Marti Party. It's
not an easy time.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
One of Edu's complaints is that the decision seemed to
come from John Palmerhera, the co leaders, and Rahwiti Whinne
is his wife, who's obviously John Palmerhera's daughter. That's pretty
much how a party runs though, from the top down.

Speaker 24 (51:59):
Doesn't it. Oh, look, everyone has it's like my own campaign,
whole whole family involved in it, because who else is
going to back you up but your own. So it
doesn't surprise me with the names that you have mentioned,
because they were all there when I crossed the floor
and they were very welcoming to me. And I've got
no complaints on either the.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Ones, but they are also the ones running the show
right in any party that is any good at the
way that we run politics is generally run from the center.

Speaker 24 (52:30):
It happened in labor with your president, with your with
your party leaders. You're in a circle. You're sort of
capting it or your kitchen table lot. So you learn
it very fast. As a as an MP of an electorate,
particularly a Mardi electriate, or you need it or you
must do is represent those that put their faith in

(52:51):
you to go to Parliament and do better for them.
And I know that each of those Marty MPs with
Spartan Mory do that on the daily.

Speaker 7 (53:00):
Very much.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Really appreciate having a chat to you about the this
mega fight today. Former Labour MP and also former Maori
Party candidate Chris Hopkins has been asked about this.

Speaker 12 (53:07):
Before the next election, we'll set out which parties we
can and can't work with them. We'll do that closer
to the election. I think to Party Marty have got
some internal issues of their own to work through before
we could have that conversation with them. They look like
they're quite a long way away from being ready to
play a constructive role in any future government.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Yeah, quite twenty one away from six.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
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Speaker 3 (53:32):
On the huddle with me this evening we have Jordan
Williams of the Taxpayers Union and Allie Jones have read
pr Hello you two, Hi Jenna. All right, what's going
on here? Jordan? You know politics? They're having a big
old fight, are they.

Speaker 18 (53:44):
It's someone in a party today said it's sound of
refreshing when you see your opponents going through it. Because,
of course it's the main reason, one of the reasons
I don't wing into party politics. And I love the
think tank called Pressure at World because you can actually
get rid of toxic people. The problem is in politics
and public affairs is it inherently attracts people that are

(54:05):
on a spectrum. And I put myself in that too,
But means you can get some difficult personalities, and it's
why a lot of political causes often blow up. I mean,
this is I mean, to fall out with your main.

Speaker 14 (54:22):
Sort of pressure group.

Speaker 18 (54:23):
Though it was a bit like Labor falling out with
the unions or the National Party falling out with the
Taxpayers Union. You're sort of going to have a Maori
party without its Copappa or even worse. I see that
this talk of setting up another party in competition, So
we're going to have two party Maori and Maori to party.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
You know what, I don't think Alie that he should
be left to naming these parties. That was really that
was crap, wasn't it.

Speaker 11 (54:47):
It was when I was listening to you talking to
who knows who, and who's married to who and who's
related to it reminded me of that TV show Soap
years ago, and I think you should have played the
theme of that underneath as you were talking about them.
It is really confusing, sounds incredibly incestuous. But I think
one of the biggest issues here, and I'm not a
political expert obviously, is that the problem this leaves Labor.

(55:08):
I mean, the Greens are just a mess. They've lost
a third of their caucus this year, and we've still
got you know, a year left of this sorry, a
third of their caucus in this term, and we've still
got a year of that term left. And now we've
got the Party Marty as well, and there could be
another Maori Party split in that vote. I mean, I
don't know what the hell labour things that's going to do.

Speaker 14 (55:27):
Labor a cooka hooge.

Speaker 18 (55:28):
That was what the friend of mine I was speaking
to about this, that labor went from us, because if
you split the vote and the more it's this here
is more than you know, it's just it's all mess
and normally that has a political cost. But if you've
got your voters aren't particularly engaged, I don't think that
it is the public perception of it being messy. I

(55:49):
think that the real issue here is that the Party
Marty have had such a good ground game and being
well organized that if that has blown up, or that
organizational wing has blown up, that means that that the
sort of comparative advantage to labor is now gone.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
I how, how why are they excited about this? Jordren,
I don't understand.

Speaker 18 (56:14):
I don't know labor benefit and labor want the Mary
seats back and this is just the chances of that
have just increased.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Do you really think so?

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Absolutely?

Speaker 18 (56:23):
I mean that we just we just saw that play
out in the in the by election were Labour got
absolutely sip smashed.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
I said, what what? But okay, so so the how
does this increase? Because because you'd have to assume that
your voter actually cares necessarily about.

Speaker 18 (56:37):
I'm saying it's probably not the case, but that if
it has, you know, this is the sort of organizational
wing of two party Maori that is splitting apart, then
then I mean I.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Take your point, Jordan, because because Edu Kapa Kingi is
a really he's an activist for them, right, he is
able to get a lot of people out on the
ground as you saw with that he couis so so
the loss of him I think is quite right.

Speaker 18 (57:01):
Absolutely yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Okay, now Allie, tell me what you think about the
Gaza flow teller should be helping these kids to get back.
Just leave it all?

Speaker 11 (57:08):
Oh god, you know no, well look, you know this
is head and heart stuff. I might my head goes. Look,
I'm sorry, you make your bed, you lie in it,
and I think that the team's dad with whom you
spoke would put it perfectly. The boy knew what.

Speaker 14 (57:21):
He was doing.

Speaker 11 (57:22):
You cannot tell them, my boys twenty two. I know
that this does not appear to be like other examples
recently where people were shot by armed forces coming onto ships.
So my head tells me, you know, life is about
making decisions. There are consequences for that. You knew what
you were doing. But then my heart goes, we need
to look after people whoever they are Kiwi's wherever they are,

(57:45):
and if we can. I mean, this is not a
grown man, this is a team. He doesn't have years
of experience. We all know that men especially don't really
get their brains working until they're well into their thirties,
right Jordan, So I mean, what do we do and situation?
I mean, should we actually show some compassion or do
we go, hey, you made your bed mate line?

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Okay, Jordan, know what your response, but let's get it
after the break. Hang on sixteen away from six.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
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Speaker 3 (58:17):
Right, You're back with the Huddle, Jordan Williams Allie Jones, Go, Jordan,
what do you think, Oh.

Speaker 18 (58:21):
I'm just delighted that Ali suggested that I'm still in
in my twenties.

Speaker 14 (58:24):
I've now forgotten what the question Berney.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Should we be assisting the kids who've been caught up
in the regards the.

Speaker 18 (58:34):
Thing that annoys me as people go and do brave
things like I believe in this course so much, and
when going to do something stupid or illegal. But we
now live in a world where you try to get
off because I know I already believe in the cause,
I shouldn't get in trouble.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
Well, the whole virtue.

Speaker 14 (58:49):
Was taking the risk and getting in trouble. You can't
have it both ways.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Okay, Now what about Wayne Brown? How do you feel
about this, Jordan?

Speaker 18 (58:58):
Well, he's He's told the tens of thousands of Ratepayers
Alliance members that have emailed them saying, hey, sign the
pledge like mears across the country are doing to that
You're only going to put rates up by inflation, You're
going to commit to spending, transparency, et cetera. And he
told one of the nicest guys I've ever met, my

(59:19):
local government campaigns manager Sam Warren, to f off, I
think it says more about mister Brown than it does
about Sam or the Auckland ratepayers supporters. He should just
do the you know, rather than just talk the talk,
walk the walk, and do what all the other candidates
have done and signed the Ratepayer of Protection Pledge.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Wish to be so, wish to be unambiguous. Ali, And
from a PR perspective, I think you might have made
that point.

Speaker 11 (59:47):
I think it was a route was a really dumb
thing to do. And I said, okay, So from a
PR point, yeah, absolutely dumb. From a candidate's point, pretty
dumb as well. And I have to say I'm running
obviously and I haven't signed that pledge. And the reason
I haven't.

Speaker 14 (01:00:01):
Signed are running for council or local board.

Speaker 11 (01:00:05):
No, I'm running for council, so.

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
Because one of the goodies.

Speaker 11 (01:00:11):
I am a goody. And but the point that there
are two things here. Firstly, it is I've made it
very clear that I would like around the council. Well
keep no, I want a rates cap, right, and that's what.

Speaker 14 (01:00:24):
Campaign you can sign that one. That's one.

Speaker 11 (01:00:28):
Children. No, I'm not going through the bits and pieces
on that. The point was, I thought, you don't want.

Speaker 14 (01:00:33):
To think that rate players should know where the money's gone.

Speaker 11 (01:00:36):
Absolutely I do. I'm saying, no, we're not signing anybody. No,
there were other things on there I didn't want to sign.
But the point.

Speaker 18 (01:00:47):
Candidates that have signed the pledge we'll.

Speaker 11 (01:00:49):
Put on there you can have up for a minute,
just just shoot. So there are a number of pledges
initially or surveys that I did and signed, and all
they did was put them through some ai AI machine
and gave me s on things. So I believed that,
oh yeah, right now, I know you might not, but

(01:01:10):
I'm not going to do it. People know what I'm campaigning.

Speaker 14 (01:01:13):
You're one of the good ones. You should be. So
I'm really disappointed to hear that because I didn't.

Speaker 11 (01:01:18):
I didn't want to sign the other things there were.
There were two or three other points on there that
I thought with mist of us.

Speaker 18 (01:01:24):
The thing is, this is the trouble is you have
you have people like Wayne Brown that that say one
thing but do another. He's you know that in his
long term plan, we're having a record high rates increase
under the super City next year. Is that it's really
hard for rate payers to figure it out when you
got politicants saying one thing but talk the whole purpose

(01:01:44):
of the pledge, and I know yep, the various left
wing groups do that do something similar.

Speaker 14 (01:01:49):
It's actually just information for voters. Yeah, when you.

Speaker 11 (01:01:52):
Walk the talk, Jordan, when you're elected, and people know
what I'm campaigning on and what others are and so
they make the decision at the votion booth or rather
by posting their their balance away.

Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
Look, the test.

Speaker 18 (01:02:06):
Of whether you walk as you're you know, it's it's
pretty simple. The rates cap so the caving rates in inflation,
the transparent transparency, and no un appointed or unelected decision
makers on spending regitary matters, you know, to council council committees.

Speaker 14 (01:02:22):
That's not a big ask.

Speaker 11 (01:02:24):
It's a third one. I wasn't that third one. I
wasn't one hundred percent happy with them.

Speaker 14 (01:02:30):
All three. And there's a lot of you know, the
Labor Party candidates.

Speaker 11 (01:02:35):
Are you on a caut are you on a percentage
or something? Look, I'll get my people to believe in
the cause.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Confess confess your role with the A R A.

Speaker 14 (01:02:46):
It's it's it's just the group of the text bas
union around it.

Speaker 18 (01:02:51):
I believe in it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Yeah, okay, guys, listen, thank you. That was fascinating, so disappointed,
Ali fascinating, You're.

Speaker 14 (01:02:57):
So good even someone to break breaking my heart.

Speaker 11 (01:03:01):
It's like, listen, oh you're a greasy devil lord, Okay,
buy the pair of you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
It's like, you know, it's like having a couple at
the next table having an argument and you can't you
don't really care, but can't help, but listen. Jordan Williams
Allie Jones eight Away from six.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Heather Aucklanders will love Wayne Brown's reaction, Well, I don't know.
Well what they will be is they won't be surprised
by Wayne Brown's reaction because if you've if you've met
Wayne Brown, that's exactly how he talks. And enough of
us have met him by now, I think even if
even if she's buy a video, that's exactly how we
expect him to respond to things. Listen, Sam Dicki's gonna
be with us after six o'clock. We're gonna talk about

(01:03:45):
the Allisons. Because I don't know if you've been keeping
up on this, but there is a consortium of American
buyers who who are banding together to try to buy
TikTok from Byte Dance because that's what Trumpy wants to happen,
and the Allisons are part of that, and this as
in like Larry Allison of Oracle, and they've also recently
bought Paramount and apparently they're in a bidding wall for

(01:04:06):
Warner Brothers Discovery, so they're becoming something of like another
succession family. So Sam Dicky will run us through all
of the fascinating detail that we have to know about
them very shortly. It's five away from six now. Interested
that we were just talking about the local board in
christ Church. Because I did my I am not going
to come out of this story looking good at all.
So I'm just saying that this show is not about

(01:04:27):
me making making me look good. It's just about understanding
the human condition. And I'm a human, Okay, So that's
my disclaimer for myself. So I got my voting papers. Okay,
I'm in the White Matar local Board Central Auckland, right,
So I did all my voting and stuff like that.
Holy heck. I mean I think this every single year
when I go to vote, you are asked to vote

(01:04:49):
for a bunch of people who you know nothing about,
and when you're as pressed for time as most of
us are, you look at it and you go, oh lord,
what I don't know? Who's Michael Coat?

Speaker 9 (01:04:58):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Ho is Ted Johnston I vote for?

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
You know?

Speaker 14 (01:05:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
And it's hard enough when you're dealing with the mayors.
Then you have to vote for the local board. And
that's really a collection of no hopers, isn't it. That's
a collection I mean, is that unfair? That's a no,
that is unfair that I immediately regret saying that. I am sorry.
I don't mean that at all. It's a collection of
who the hell are these people? That's what it's a

(01:05:22):
collection of. Anyway. So I was flicking through it and
I was like, I don't Grant Crawford, who are you?
Jane Hamilton? Never heard of you? Josie Rayner, No, I
never heard of you going through going that? Oh hello,
Mark Walter krysl wis to work with him. He's from
TV and seid he was on Fair Go. So I
read about it. I thought, no, I hate what you
stand for. I reckon local government should be less about

(01:05:42):
shouting and more about listening with empathy, softy. So I
ticked him.

Speaker 7 (01:05:47):
I voted for him.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
I hated everything about it. I was like, yeah, I
vote for yours. I know you're a nice man, Peter
Dennis Elliott. You he's remember the actor Peter Elliott. He'son there.
He's running for the local board as well. How much
did you say they get for this if they get elected?
H Germans says fifty three thousand. That's not a bad stipend.
I suppose Peter Dennis Elliott is standing for clean local waterways,

(01:06:09):
use of motorcycles and two wheeled transport. You know what
that means. It's bicycles, isn't that will reduce carbon and congestion.
I hated it. City Vision, that's labour plus the Greens. Oh,
I hate it so addictive as well amongst others. So
why why did I vote for two people who I
was like, don't know, I want you to shout Mark

(01:06:29):
and no, Peter, I don't want any more bicycle lanes?
Why did I vote for them? Name recognition? That is
literally why? Because I was like, do you know what?
At least I know you're a good bloke and you're
a bloke from TV, so I'm gonna vote for you
guys because I don't know who the hell the rest
of the people I voted for some other people. I
kind of took a bit of a minute. But there's
your problem with local government when you don't know who
you're voting for and you ain't got the time, you

(01:06:50):
just pick names that you know. Anyway, don't let me down, Mark,
don't let me down. You better be good at your
job otherwise I know where to find you. Anyway. Sam
Dickey on the Allison's.

Speaker 21 (01:06:58):
Next keeping track of where the money is flowing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
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Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Talks'd be but even coming up in the next hour,
the ab squad has been announced for this weekend, so
Elliot Smith is going to talk us through it. After
half past j Hamish McKay is still obsessed with sharing.
He now thinks it should be in the Olympics. He's
going to talk us through that kooky idea and in
de Brady out of the UK for us, it's seven
past six. Now we might be seeing the emergence of
a new Murdoch type media mogul family. The names you

(01:07:40):
need to know are Larry Allison of Oracle fame and
his son David. They're orchestrating a huge media consolidation controlling
everything from paramount c in CNN now TikTok Sam Dickey
from Fisher Funds is with us on this, say, Sam.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Good eating here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
So what are they up to?

Speaker 25 (01:07:56):
Well, Larry certainly isn't slowing the out of day eighty one,
so him and a son, David are attempting to bring
a bring together three things, so massive AI compute power
via Larrye's Larry's Oracle, cloud content via the that as
you said, David Skydounce paramount and potential social distribution via
owning the USR of TikTok So first on the cloud

(01:08:18):
compute side, which will be key in modern media to
enable AI driven content creation and train recommendation engines. Oracle
has kind of always been that the poor fourth cousin
behind Amazon, Microsoft and Google, but he didn't eye popping
deal recently with open Ai. You might have seen it,
which saw Oracle stock price shoot up about thirty percent
in one day, so that the guts of the deal

(01:08:40):
was AI signed a contract to pay Oracle three hundred
billion dollars over five years to train and inference its
Ai models, And as an aside here that let's not
forget open Ai only has fifteen billion dollars in revenue
in total today and again it's signed up to pay
just one of its suppliers, Oracle, three hundred billion dollars.

(01:09:01):
But let's ignore how frothy that is for a minute.
And second, on the content side, they control Paramount sky
Dance and a rumored to be making a bid for
Warner Brothers, so if all that comes together, they will
control HBO, Paramount, CBSC and n Showtime, and two of
the five classic old school movie studios. And finally, on
the New World distribution side, Oracle is leading a consort,

(01:09:24):
he consortium to buy eighty percent of TikTok's US operations
for what is pretty much a sweetheart deal of fourteen
billion dollars, so one heck of a footprint.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Okay, do you think they can pull this off?

Speaker 25 (01:09:38):
They are in the box seat, so there's a few
pretty obvious things there. So it doesn't hurt that Larry
flirted with being the richest man on the planet briefly
a couple of weeks ago after that blowout deal with
open Ai was announced, and he is exceptionally tight with
President Trump. So he's headlining the project Stargate that you
and I talked about earlier in the year Heather, which

(01:09:59):
is a half a trillion dollar public private USAI infrastructure project.
So and then of course he has a majority ownership
in Oracle and in Paramount Skydarance pluses clout and connections
placement as the front runner to own TikTok. So I
think they're in good shape.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Okay, Now is this what we want though? I mean,
do we want to see this kind of media consolidation?
What does it mean for investors?

Speaker 13 (01:10:20):
Well, I think.

Speaker 25 (01:10:22):
Ethically and from a democracy point of view, there's obviously
a lot of questions from a market point of view.
Like you said that, this very broad media consolidation play
is probably the most far reaching in a long time.
And the only deal in the last thirty years that
was this ambitious was the infamous Aol Time Warner deal
in the year two thousand, just before the dot com bust. So,

(01:10:44):
like this one, it was an attempt to remember that
word convergence we used to talk about back in the day,
It was an attempt to merge a new age distribution
via America Online AOL being a dominant Internet service provider
ISP is a blast from the past here at the
time with content.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
But that one hundred and eighty billion dollars.

Speaker 25 (01:11:01):
Deal failed spectacularly and destroyed a ton of capital. So
the current deal is as ambitious and far reaching and
has some of those frothy signs of that one in
two thousand, like the Oracle open aideal today. However, if
it does go ahead and as successful, if linear TV
wasn't dead already, it probably will be. So this behemoth
would control roughly half the cable TV market in the US,

(01:11:25):
and even streaming platforms like Disney Plus and Netflix might
come under pressure if you and I start to watch
all of our favorite friends episodes and movies and CNN
news directly on our TikTok apps.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Imagine that.

Speaker 25 (01:11:39):
But it might even pressure behemoths like Meta. Is uncertainty
over the future of TikTok, and the US had definitely
temporarily shifted advertiser spend to Meta. So it really is
fascinating stuff. So we need to watch this space.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
That really is quite interesting. Sam, Thanks so much. Sam
Dickey of Fisher Funds. Coming up twelve away from six. Ever,
see Ellen's well past six hither. I was listening to
my mother talking about voting, and she says, oh, no,
I can't vote for him. He's got long hair. I'm
not voting for someone who can't be bothered cutting his hair.
Fair enough, fair enough, I think, because of course you're

(01:12:12):
making You're just making character judgments, are you, And if
that's how you choose to make a character, she might
well be onto something. Listen, good news. The internet is
back on in afghanis done. It looks like they've regretted
cutting the cables because apparently the Tullibum Prime minister ordered
it back on. It's only took him two days to
feel bad about what he did. Probably less feeling bad,
more like whoops. We didn't think it was going to

(01:12:33):
stuff things up this badly. It disrupted businesses, it disrupted flights,
limited people's access to emergency services because in some cases
they couldn't phone each other. What did they do when
it came back on? Headed out into the street, rejoiced
and by the sounds of things, stood there in the middle,
just calling their relatives because at last the phone was working.
Thirteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
ZEPPI you know what can I take this moment to say?
I might have got something wrong. I was talking Smack
a couple of weeks ago about Jacinder's documentary Prime Minister,
and how nobody was going to watch it. But apparently
it's done actually quite well. Well as far as local
documentaries are concerned. It has recorded the strongest opening week
for a local documentary in seven years. Rialta reckons it

(01:13:21):
earned four hundred and seventeen thousand dollars in its first week,
and that includes previews. Now better than I thought. I
don't know what other local documentaries have we gone to watch,
so you know, maybe it doesn't feel like it's a
particularly strong field. But hey, you know, happy to be
happy to have been proven wrong. Sixteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
The Rural Report on Heather do for see Allen dry.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Haymous mckaye, who's hosting the country for Jamie mackay this week,
is with us ala Amish Heather. So why is the
price of will going up?

Speaker 22 (01:13:52):
Well, it's starting to each ford here, but the big
move is across the chairsman and we're hoping that it
will come over here, and not only through the youth
foushing back to the sties to have noted such a
spike in overall wool prices, and that was driven by

(01:14:13):
the Chinese military back in that time, snapping up every
kilogram or pound of wool as it was back in
the day to reclose the military. Now that's what's happening again.
They're doing a big refit of their what four million
sort of military members, So woolen coats so imagine, you know,
woolen carpets for the tanks, all those sorts of things. Yeah,

(01:14:35):
so there's no sort of haggling or anything going on.
They're buying up everything. So it would be nice if
it filters across this side of the Tasman. And the
last time was that it did, and that was back
in the fifties. And I know because my dad told
me that he got set off the board him and
his father put a catalytic. I'm up in the matter
with two, so you go, it's happened again.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Hopefully.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
I'm terrifying how much because you're your receptions cutting in
and out that we're going to so before we do,
give me your biggest patch for why sharing should be
at the Olympics.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
I'll chee you pitch it.

Speaker 22 (01:15:07):
I just think it's a great competitive sport.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
And that's actually hilarious. It's a great competitive sport. And cut,
he's gone, he's got. That's it, Go bye, Hamish. Thanks
for trying. Hamish is driving on the desert road around
Wayoud at the moment, so there's no surprise that we've missed. Okay.

(01:15:30):
The German always equipped, always equipped with the series of
facts has given us the other documentaries and how they've performed.
Thank you, Laura. Previous high grossing New Zealand documentaries include
Sir Peter Jackson's They Shall Not Grow Old, which made
two hundred and forty thousand dollars after its opening week
in twenty eighteen, also Roger Donaldson's McLaren which made three

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hundred thousand dollars that was after the opening week in
twenty seventeen, and then the highest grossing local documentary of
all time is Chasing Great twenty sixteen, from the same
filmmaking team behind Prime Minister. So I mean, as you
can see, it's not a huge I don't want to
be mean to Peter Jackson because the man's a genius

(01:16:13):
and you know, incredibly wealthy as a result of being
a genius, and so he's just completely knocked the ball
out of the park. But they shall not grow old.
Is not really got the appeal that Justinda perhaps does,
and so you can see the field is not crowded,
if you know what I mean. So it's no surprise
that she's done well, because I would go and rage
watch it, wouldn't you. I don't think that her doing

(01:16:35):
well well the box office is an indication necessarily that
people will love watching it. I love to get angry
when I watch things anyway. Perhaps just to put in
a bit of context, the highest grossing movies out of
New Zealand Hunt for the Wilder People twenty sixteen that
made one point seven million, as opposed to her four
fifty thousand or whatever it was, four hundred and twenty thousand,

(01:16:58):
Sionez number two, Unfinished Business seven hundred and twenty three million. No,
what am I talking about? Seven hundred and twenty thirty thousand,
and Boy twenty ten eight six six thousand. So there
you go, Thank you for that. Laura always puts it
in context. By the way, if you've been watching the
Indian Free Trader negotiations, you might be pleased to hear this.
Apparently we're passed the halfway mark. This is according to
the Trade Minister Todd McLay. We've gone past fifty percent,

(01:17:21):
which is good. But this is where it starts to
get a little bit more gnarly and a bit more gritty,
because the tough stuff is always left to last, so
that still has to be negotiated, including improving market access
for New Zealand experts and all the kind of stuff
that they don't want to have to deal with them.
We don't want to have to deal with They met.
This is our negotiators and their trade negotiators in Queenstown
last month. They did the third round there of formal

(01:17:42):
negotiations and they're going to they've already scheduled the fourth round,
which is going to happen in the coming weeks and
it's going to be in India. So best of luck
six twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
The Business hour we're the header due for c Ellen
and maz for insurance investments and Huey Safer.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
You're in good heads.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
News talk here the three hundred and fifty thousand dollars
back in twenty seventeen is now worth three hundred and
fifty billion dollars in today's money thanks to Justinder. Here
the I'm not joking, but why isn't there a documentary
on Winston Peter's Actually, Brenda, it's a fair point. What
you'll find if you if you look at it, even
you don't even have to look very closely, you simply

(01:18:22):
have to take a passing interest in it. What you'll
find is that there are only documentaries made about the Lovies,
right because the people who pay for the documentaries are
themselves lovies, which is why New Zealand tax payer money
was going to be used to make a just Inda
documentary and is being used to make a Chloe Swarbrick documentary.
But you're not going to get a David Seymore documentary,
are you? And you're not going to get a Chris

(01:18:43):
Luxon documentary. That's so obvious to us. And anyway, so
Winston Peters, the Lovies do not like Winston. They only
like Winston when Winston props up one of their lefty governments.
But the rest of the time, Winston is just you know,
a racist and stuff like that. So they're not going
to pay for a documentary on Winston Peter's what a
documentary or Winston Peters would be fascinating, wouldn't it because
you dig out all the archive footage of him sitting

(01:19:05):
around honing about with Muldoon, having fights with Bulger, the
areas with Shipley and even Clarkey, which was recently Like
that's long enough ago now, I don't know if you
realize it for the footage to look old. Have you
seen footage from the nineteenth like the late nineteen nineties,
nineteen ninety nine, it looks You're like, wow, I can't
believe we watched crappy TV like that. That's how old

(01:19:27):
it is now. So yeah, I reckon a documentary about
Winston Peters'll be fascinating. It's six twenty four. By the way,
there was a study that came out while I was
on holiday last week which hardly got I feel like,
didn't get enough attention. So I'm going to draw it
to your attention because the Energy Minister Simon Watts has
now piped up about it. And this is about the
gas stoves in your kitchen killing you. Essentially, what these

(01:19:48):
guys have found. It was Eca who did the study
released the study. They found that there is two There
have been two hundred and eight premature deaths every year.
That's quite significant in this country. Two hundred and eight
primit deaths in adults aged over thirty because we're using
the gas stoves in the kitchens. Are also two hundred
and thirty six cardiovascular hospitalization, seven hundred and seventy five

(01:20:10):
respiratory hospitalizations, three two hundred and thirty asthma cases and
that's in people over eighteen, so we're not even counting
the kids at the stage. Indoor pollution from wood burners
has led to one hundred and one premature deaths a year.
Don't freak out. I'm gonna you're going to get the
upside on the cine minute. The annual tolld from the
more than forty four thousand unflued gas heaters was modeled

(01:20:30):
at fifty seven premature deaths. So you add it all
up and you've got like close to four hundred premature
deaths on account of the things we're doing in our houses.
Simon Watts has been asked about it today. He says
the government takes these findings seriously. But New Zealanders do
not need to panic if they currently use gas stoves,
but they should be aware of the potential health risks
and simple steps such as ventilation ventilation to reduce them.

(01:20:55):
So it appears that if you have a gas stove
from time to time, like once a day for ten minutes,
what's the word for this, Laura, when you ventilate the
house in Germany for ten minutes, share Slifton, You open
the doors and the windows for ten minutes. You let
all of that bad stuff just get out there into
the atmosphere. Sure, Slaur, Swiston, whatever, And then you shut
the doors again and you carry on warming up your house.

(01:21:17):
You're welcome. You will not die early because of that
six twenty six show bears. Beyonce has broken the Grammys.
So last year you'll know the controversy about the Grammys
worth Beyonce right. Last year she released her Cowboy Carter album.
It had a lot of country influence, and it covered
a lot of subgenres within country, and yet a lot

(01:21:38):
of the country scene shut her out and called her
album to pop.

Speaker 6 (01:21:42):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
She didn't get nominated for a single Country Music award,
and when it came to the Grammys, she showed them
who was boss. Anyway. The album won Beyonce the first
ever Album of the Year Grammy, and she also controversially
won the Best Country Album, becoming the first black woman
to ever do so. And then she called out the
rigidity of the genre in her acceptance speech.

Speaker 9 (01:22:00):
I think sometimes genre is a cold word to keep
us in our place as artists, and I just want
to encourage people to do what they're passionate about to right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
But now what's happened, and this is how she's broken
the Grammys, is that they've come out with a big
change that some are dubbing the Beyonce Rule. Next year,
there will be no Best Country Album. Instead, the category
is going to be split in two, Best Contemporary Country
Album and Best Traditional Country Album. Music journalists are arguing
that on one hand, the Recording Academy recognizes that genres bleed,
but then they're also splitting hairs about what makes each

(01:22:33):
genre unique, blah blah blah whatever. Beyonce directly referenced the
criticism in the album with the lyric they used to
say I spoke to country, and then they said I
wasn't country enough. But she forced the change didn't she
All right, let's talk about the all blacks next, straight
after the news, News Talks event.

Speaker 21 (01:22:57):
A real love again, don't you can't say?

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
It's the phone now crouching the numbers and getting the results.
It's hither to the sea Ellen with the business hour
and mass for insurance investments and Quie Saber, you're in
good hands.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
News Talks dead be What is the film?

Speaker 21 (01:23:17):
Have you?

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Everybody's a pill?

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
I can tell you anything.

Speaker 26 (01:23:23):
Ah, the secrets that you me and changes are the
damis am I mane?

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
What a load of rubbish about the gas stoves killing
people in their homes who've been on natural gas for
seventy years and we're still alive. You must be ventilating
your home like somebody who understands how houses work. It's
a good idea to ventilate from time to time, regardless
of from time to time being every single day according
to the Germans. Obviously, listen, just really quickly. Mark Krysl's
already hit me on the texts about about what I
had to say about vote. But I would like to

(01:23:49):
remind him that I did vote for him. So while
I talked smack about him, I gave him my vote,
which is the most important thing. But speaking of Mac
krysl Mac does a podcast for us here endzed Me
and it's called The Elephant. And this week on the
Elephant they've had a Canadian podcaster and brofluencer, which is
always an interesting concept. Chap called Richard Cooper. Richard has

(01:24:12):
been on talking about toxic masculinity and alpha males and
beta males and et cetera, et cetera. Anyway, what he
said is men and women are not equal. They are
very different. There is only one driver's seat in a car,
isn't there right, So there has to be somebody leading,
and he advocates for the male to lead in the relationship. Now,

(01:24:36):
look each to each to their own, each to their
own obviously. But I'm wondering, I'm just spitballying. I'm not
saying this is what We'm just spitballing. Laura, if we
should get him on the show. What do you think,
as she said, she said it like this, She went, oh, sure,
kind of like I don't know, Bill, don't you think

(01:24:57):
I would love to have Richard Cooper on the show.
Is I want to talk to him because it comes
down to your definition of what leading in a relationship
looks like do you know what I mean? Because if
leading in a relationship is being like, right today, we're
going to go down to Bunnings like whatever, you suit yourself.
But I think leading in a relationship is deciding what
day towels day is, and what you're gonna have for

(01:25:20):
dinner this evening and you know what you're gonna buy,
you know what I mean? Like, I feel like I
feel like, actually, women do lead pretty much all relationships.
But anyway, I feel like this is a conversation for
me and Richard, not a conversation for me and you necessarily,
So Laura give me a thumbs up. Promise we're gonna
get him. Yeah, she promises, Yep, she promises. Twenty two

(01:25:40):
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Heather doul All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
I've made seven changes to the team that will take
on Australia and Perth on Saturday night. Captain Scott Barrett
is back from a shoulder injury to Might Williams, Fletcher
new Ll Damien Mackenzie leicstifying an acout that are all
in as well. Liam Napiers, the Herall's rugby correspondent in
Perth and with us now Hey, Liam, evening. Okay, what's
the mood ahead of the Test?

Speaker 17 (01:26:04):
Well, it's certainly interesting.

Speaker 10 (01:26:06):
Scott Robinson's sprung some selection surprises there, quinta pie in
its center hasn't played there for five years for the
Chiefs and leicesterifying and Nook who playing his first game
for the All Blacks in two years after spending two
years in France. So look, the All Blacks are searching
for consistency. They've gone win loss, win, loss, win, and

(01:26:28):
to try and to break that trend, Robinson's turned to
some freshness and some players that we haven't seen too
much of this year.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Okay, are you worried about d mac.

Speaker 17 (01:26:39):
Not rarely?

Speaker 10 (01:26:40):
No, he I think he's been waiting a long time
for this chance. He started the first eight tests of
Scott Robinson's tenure last year. He's only had one start
eight teen this year. But I think Perth should suit him.
It should be an open, expansive game. The Wallabies give
the All Blacks a lot more freedom to play, so

(01:27:01):
I think this game will suit him.

Speaker 17 (01:27:02):
But I am worried about the Wallabies. I think they'll respond.

Speaker 10 (01:27:06):
They get Will Skelton, Rob Valentini and some real big
bodies back in their FOURD pack, so I'm nervous about
what they could bring.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
What specifically makes you feel nervous, Well.

Speaker 10 (01:27:19):
The All Blacks form, for one, they've really struggled to
put back to back performances together this year and Joe
Shmitt is an incredibly savvy coach. And I think we
saw last week that the Wallabies are a different team.
They've got a depth of character and resilience about them.
They didn't go away, they came back within two points

(01:27:40):
of the All Blacks at eden Park at their fortress.
So coming home getting some players back, I think they'll
bring a lot of confidence into this week.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
Yeah, okay, Now Scott Barrett is back shoulder injury. Can't
have been that bad, can it?

Speaker 17 (01:27:53):
No? No, it wasn't. It was only mine.

Speaker 10 (01:27:55):
I think he tried pushed pretty hard to play last
week but was ruled out on the Tuesday of the
Eden Park tests. So he comes back and regains the captaincy.
So interesting to see how he comes back because Ardie
led the team really well at eden Park, very inspirational turnover.

Speaker 17 (01:28:13):
At one point.

Speaker 10 (01:28:14):
There's been a bit of discussion around the All Blacks captaincy,
so I think Scott will be looking for a big performance.

Speaker 17 (01:28:21):
He tends to get up for the Wallabies.

Speaker 10 (01:28:22):
A couple of years ago Nick White and him had
a bit of a toe to toe and he put
his finger on his mouth and told him to shush.

Speaker 17 (01:28:28):
So it could be a bit of a niggle this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
Yeah, now theres as you point out, there has been
a fair bit of chat about who should be the captain.
It has been a fair chat bit of chat about
whether Razor is the right guy to be the coach.
Are they hearing this stuff? Is this weighing on them?

Speaker 10 (01:28:42):
They certainly hear it. Yep, they'll tell you that they don't.
They don't read the media, they don't hear the media,
they don't listen to people on the street. But they'll
be well aware of it, and they're aware of their
own frustrations, their own struggles, and they certainly demand more
of themselves. So they need a big performance this weekend
because the spring boxer and the box seat. To claim

(01:29:02):
the Rugby Championship title, the All Blacks need a bonus
point victory and they need to score three more tries
than the Wallabies to have any hope of regaining that trophy.
So the all Blacks have everything to prove brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Liam, look after yourself, Thanks very much man. That's Liam
apr Rugby correspondent. Of course you can listen to Elliot
Smith and the commentary team right here on News Talk ZB.
It's nineteen away from.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Seven together, dupless.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Now, yesterday we talked a fair bit about how much wealth,
what level of wealth you need to be in the
top fifty or ten or five or one percent or
whatever of the wealthiest New Zealanders. Very interesting to see
today how our our numbers actually compare to the rest
of the world. So just to remind it, to be
in the top one percent of the wealthiest New Zealanders
in this country and it is it's net wealth, right,

(01:29:47):
so it's your assets minus yet your liabilities. To be
in the one percent, the top one percent, you have
to have eight point seven million New Zealand in assets.
In the United States in order to be in the
top one percent, the average net worth is sixty six million,
So their top one percent is just like eye wateringly

(01:30:07):
so much more so, much more wealthy than ours. In
the UK. You need a it's actually bang on the
same as ours. Really in the UK, you have to
have eight point three five million to be in the
top one percent. In Japan, it's a lot lower. It's
only about one million dollars New Zealand to be in
the top one percent. Interestingly, our top one percent holds

(01:30:28):
about fourteen percent of our total assets in the country.
But in the United States, their top one percent, even
though you need sixty six mil to get in the
top one percent, their top one percent holds thirty one
percent of the country's wealth. So I guess what I'm
trying to say, what I'm trying to point out is
in terms of absolutely there is an income gap. Oh

(01:30:48):
there's a wealth gap, and absolutely it has been growing
since especially the nineteen eighties. And we can we can
talk about the reasons for that, and we can talk
about whether it's desirable or not, blah blah blah. But
in terms of how the rest of the world is
in terms of the income gap, that the wealth gaps
that they have, it's not nearly as bad here as
it is elsewhere. Seventeen Away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Whether it's macro, micro or just playing economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mass
for Insurance investments and kiuie safer, You're in good hands.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
They get a load of this.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
There is a guy in New Zealand, lives in Tiatato
who's never had a cell phone, and he's sixty three
years old. He's he's a University of Auckland professor. He
was in his war about thirty here reckons when the
first brick cell phones came out, and he just kind
of didn't catch on at the start, and then he's
become kind of weird and stubborn now and now refuses
to get a cell phone. He every how does he

(01:31:46):
survive every single form that he has to fill out,
asks him for his phone number, He puts his partner's
phone number, and she gets annoyed about that. He keeps
his diary appointments and his contacts in a little green
Collin's diary which keeps in his pocket. And he doesn't
have Spotify, of course, so when people come over, he
plays his nineteen oh five grammarphone. And of course he
doesn't have navigation because we you know, we're all relying

(01:32:09):
on it, like right down to needing your phone to
your watch to buzz on your arm. He has to
do it by memory. Or buy a map book anyway.
He says he doesn't know it's becoming it's becoming challenging
now and he doesn't know how long he's going to last.
What a strange and exciting experiment to put yourself through.
Thirteen away from seven together do for c Ellen Luder

(01:32:29):
Brady UK correspondents with us.

Speaker 13 (01:32:30):
Hello, Da, Heather, I salute that man if he's listening
in Tiata too. If I've pronounced it correctly, I absolutely
take my hat after him. I wish I didn't have
a mobile phone.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
And yeah you say that, You say that, Inda, and
yet if you didn't have a mobile phone, you would
hate it.

Speaker 13 (01:32:47):
It's very true.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
Boss. How would you know how fast you're running your miles?

Speaker 13 (01:32:53):
Well, I've got a little watch for that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Boss.

Speaker 13 (01:32:55):
I just think we have become slaves to these devices
and one comp but in particular good on that man,
I say.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Yeah, not bad. Now what's hes done to Will?

Speaker 13 (01:33:06):
So this is interesting big hearing at the High Court.
It's the latest round of the allegations about misbehavior by
newspapers into the lives, the private lives of celebrities. So
there's a group taking a case against associate newspapers which
published the Daily Mail and The Mail on Sunday. Harry
is in this group, so too is the actress Liz Hurley,

(01:33:28):
Sadie Frost, the actress Elton John and his husband David Furnish,
lots of very famous people. Now, Harry's lawyers have let
it be known that his associates were dragged into this
and that they were spied on too, and the court said, well,
who were his associates? And Catherine Middleton was named now,
of course Princess of Wales. A phone conversation on a

(01:33:51):
mobile that she had was apparently spied on by a newspaper.
And then there was also an allegation around William's twenty
first birthday in the summer of two one thousand and three.
The theme was Out of Africa and there was some
phone hacking that allegedly went on around that event as well.
So they can't separate themselves. As much as these two

(01:34:11):
brothers are not in each other's lives anymore, Harry has
dragged his brother and sister in law into this case.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
Will they be upset about that?

Speaker 13 (01:34:21):
I'm not sure they will, because I think William was
the first person to kick start legal action against the
newspapers a long time ago now, and he was very
successful with this. He suffered a knee injury playing soccer
in central London one night with a very trusted group
of friends and a text message was exchanged about how

(01:34:42):
his knee was or a voicemail was left, and this
was intercepted by a newspaper, and William got suspicious. William's
not stupid. He knew that the guys he was playing
footy with would not in any way tell a newspaper
he'd hurt his knee. That ended up in a newspaper
a few days later, and William launched his legal action.
I don't think he'll be too upset about this.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Interesting now, how much did it cost you guys to
change the flags because the red was the wrong red?

Speaker 13 (01:35:07):
This is the American state visit from Trump a couple
of weeks ago. It's all coming out now. The Americans
felt that they should have a brighter red in their
stars and stripes than the red in the Union flag
of the United Kingdom, so they demanded that all the
flags that would be on display be replaced. Cool one

(01:35:28):
hundred thousand dollars that fabric cost. There you go, they
are now using a bright I hadn't even noticed this,
but apparently it's called cherry red, and that was the
red that the Trump administration wanted in the stars and stripes.

Speaker 17 (01:35:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
Now I can't get to the bottom of whether it's
because the rid on the American flags had had some
damage and had faded, or whether it was actually just
printed in the wrong red.

Speaker 17 (01:35:53):
Do you know.

Speaker 13 (01:35:55):
We haven't got to the bottom of that either here,
but what happens before state visits is all the officials
from the Holsting government have to go and visit the
embassy of the visiting government and display the flags and say, look,
this is what we're going to put up. But you
guys happy with this. We've got everything the right way around,
and you know, mistakes can happen, and the Americans said, no, no, no,

(01:36:16):
we want to brighter red. It may be that the
fabric had faded since the previous physitsor.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
Ah, Enda, thank you very much, well, good luck with
the rest of your life without your phone, Inda, that's Ende.
Brady are UK correspondent. We'll talk to you on the landline.
I suppose next week. You know, yesterday we're talking about
what was going on with Pete Heigseeth and his weird
little speech that which was kind of fun but also
still quite weird to the generals. Female US military veterans

(01:36:43):
have now pushed back against what he said, And what
he said was that female soldiers will have to take
the male fitness test and if they don't qualify for
the army as a result of that, will then so
be it. These women who've been in the army say, actually,
the standards have always been the same for men and women,
and women pass and women have never asked for anything easier.
So that seems to be a bit of a mystery.

(01:37:04):
Eight away from seven, it's the Heather Too for.

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Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Heather rdsav must be the captain here, so much more
inspirational as a leader. Well, actually, do you know what?
I Am starting to come around to this idea, and
that's definitely a discussion for Darcy. Who's going to be
with you next now, Emma Watson, now if you haven't,
because Libby hasn't been here all week. Libby's been down
with the Roner. So this especially for Libby, just to
bring her up to speed on what's been going on

(01:37:33):
with Emma Watson. Okay, if you haven't caught up on this,
this week, Emma Watson and JK Rowling have got into
an actual verbal stoush, which actually, up to now hasn't
actually happened. And this business about the transgender women and
JK Rowling's opinions on it and stuff that has been
going on a long time. So the fact that they've
managed to avoid a verbal stoush in public with each
other has actually been quite a thing anyway, So they've

(01:37:54):
had the verbal stouch and JK Rowling has accused Emma
Watson of having quote little experience of real life. So
now everybody wants to know she water is that Emma
Watson does with her day while the Telegraph has done
a deep dive.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
You didn't ask for it, and yet they did it
for you. But it is kind of a little bit
fascinating anyway. I spent ages reading it, so I'm going
to tell you what's up. So apparently Emma Watson this
she was Hermioni Granger by the way, if you don't
know who I'm talking about. She's currently doing a PhD
in creative writing at Oxford University. She lives in a
mansion worth four million pounds, so what's that twelve million

(01:38:29):
dollars in Jericho, which is the city's affluent northern suburb.
It is equipped with a sauna and a hot tub.
She goes wild swimming nearby. She is a regular in
the Oxford pubs, where she can be heard opining on
feminism and other meaty topics. She's also become known for
hosting dinners with her fellow students. She listens to podcasts
first thing in the morning, when she's taking her shower,

(01:38:50):
or when she's going on her walk or making her breakfast.
She really, really really loves pickleball. There was a time
there for a bit where she was the coxswain on
the boat, on one of the boats. I don't really
know what she was. I don't really. I think she's
given that up actually the rowing. She's had a bunch
of relationships, but she prefers to be by herself. She
has once described herself as being self partnered, which is handy.

(01:39:14):
It's like one of those animals that can mate with
themselves and make babies, is quite all. I ca an
avocado tree that can sort of self fertilize. It's a
handy thing to have to be self partnered. Anyway, she
recently got herself and when I say recently, I do
mean about three months ago in July, a six month
driving ban and a fine of about three thousand dollars
for speeding in her Audi S three. So now as
a result, she's stuck to the two wheel options. She's

(01:39:35):
on the bicycle. Yeah, that's it. I don't know. I've
gotta be honest with you, Libby. I'm jealous of her day.
How do they know all that stuff?

Speaker 22 (01:39:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 26 (01:39:47):
I know she listens to a podcast in.

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
The show she Talks. She talked to another podcast about
how she listens to a podcast. I can actually reference
you want to you want references for any any of
the other stuff?

Speaker 26 (01:39:55):
Yep, give it to me.

Speaker 14 (01:39:56):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
No, that's it. The Telegraph, dot co dot UK. Anyway,
I am jealous of Emma Watson's life. That is that
is basically the end of that story. Go on there, Libby.

Speaker 26 (01:40:07):
It's very chilled, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
It's cool.

Speaker 26 (01:40:09):
I'm just taking on a fun one from former One
Direction boy bander Louis Tomlinson, who has announced his new album,
but he's gonna put a bit of distance between the
Album of the Year, which comes out tomorrow and his album.
It's going to be called How Did I Get Here?
And it won't come out until January.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
What's the album of the year Tomorrow? Oh, Tay Tay
is dropping at five o'clock.

Speaker 7 (01:40:32):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
I'm not here tomorrow. I'm sorry Andrew Dickinson. We're letting
Andrew Dickens do it because he's a huge Tailor fan
and he wants to be live on air when it drops,
so he's gonna bring you all the songs. I'm just
going to sit at time and I'm going wild swimming
while listening to a podcast and playing Peckle Walk. So
I'll see your Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
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