Full Show Podcast: 03 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duplic Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else. News Talks Heavy Afternoon.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome to the show coming up today. Andrew Costa's quit
and he has cost us one hundred and twenty four
one thousand dollars to make him go away. We'll speak
to the Public Public Service Commissioner Brian roach Alf the
five Leo malloy on why the Veterinary Council has fined
him twenty three thousand dollars four years after he breached
suppression orders. And we have spent the first of the
government money on bringing a concert here and it's Lincoln

(00:35):
Parks of the Tourism Minister after.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Six on that ever, duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay, I wanted to be able to start the show
today telling you categorically who was right and who was
telling lies the school principal or David Seymour and his officials.
And this is obviously over the moldy food saga. But
I cannot tell you I have tried. I have spent
a couple of hours this afternoon trying to get to
the bottom of this and the conclusion I've come to
actually is that both sides playing silly buggers here with

(01:01):
you and trying to mislead you. To her credit, the
principle of the school, Peggy Burrows, has at least coughed
up her evidence. So I asked her for the video
or photographic proof that eight boxes of food were delivered
on Thursday like she says, and that eight boxes were
taken away on Thursday like she says, and she coughed up.
She gave me a time and date stamp photo of

(01:22):
the delivery man arriving at nine oh seven in the
morning with eight boxes, and she gave me a time
and date stamped photograph of the delivery man leaving at
two twenty six that afternoon with weirdly nine boxes because
one was left over from the day before before. But
she is correct in what she is claiming, which means
David Seymour's people and officials cannot be correct in what

(01:43):
they are claiming when they say that nine were delivered
and eight were taken away. So I asked them for
the evidence of that. Because the delivery man is signing
a document when he's leaving, right, they will have signed
and sign out papers on that I've been asking them
for hours for the proof of this not forthcoming, and
we were told, oh, you know, we'll get you the information.
I'll call this guy on this number year and you'll
be able to have Yet nothing, that guy on that
number never even answered the phone, So that calls that

(02:07):
into question. I mean, you have to question how truthful
the government's claim is on this one. And I would
say it's not looking very good for them. But then
on the other hand, so at this stage, it's one
up for Peggy, zero for David Seymour. But then on
the other hand, Peggy can't be trusted either because she
keeps saying she couldn't possibly have served those meals from
four days before because they were cold, and they don't
have reheating facilities at the school. Actually do a Google search.

(02:28):
High Out Community Campus has a full commercial kitchen in cafeteria,
which means they make food, so they can definitely be
reheating food. So I'm almost tempted to take the one
away from Peggy again called it zero for both of them.
I call it even not because both of them are
winners in this argument, but because both have been tricky here.
Peggy is playing politics because she wants to discredit the
supplied food so that her school can get the food

(02:49):
contract herself. That's what she wants. David's playing politics because
he wants to defend his food in Schools program, which
has been subject to a couple of years now of attacks.
Neither side is clean here. You can pick who you
want to back on this because are as good or
as bad as each other.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Ether do for see Ellen.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Two nights is the text number. Standard text fees apply
on that one. Now here's a question for you. Do
you know if your car regio or WAFT is up
to date? Chances are the answer is no, you haven't gotten.
You've got no idea because according to vehicle admin company Bonnet,
nearly half the cars on Kiwi roads are not registered
and don't have a valid WAFT, and one in five
are also behind on paying for their rucks. The CEO

(03:26):
of Bonnet, Steve Kennard, is with us now or Steph
rather Kennard is with us as Steph hio.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Thanks for having.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Mery about miss gender right front. Get off on a
good start there now. Listen, this is an estimate for
from you guys. How have you figured this out?

Speaker 5 (03:41):
So we've basically taken our active users and we've seen
how how many basically don't get the WAFT and the
ridge are done on time, and how many are currently
overdue on their road you's a charge. So I mean
it's pretty scary considering considering that Bonnet is the utility
to keep up to date with these things. So it
is a bit more worrying many kind of out there
kind of missing that threshold of getting the warrant in

(04:04):
that in that how much are.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
We missing that? By you know, I mean is it
like years or is a couple of weeks or what.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
A couple of weeks? I actually was trying to dig
up that data just before the call, but I didn't
get there done on time, but about four or so weeks,
I would say, So it's it's missing the threshold. People
just aren't remembering and then when they're looking at it,
they're like, oh damn, and then kind of getting it done.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Why do we do that? People are just either.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Not thinking about it. I mean, there's a lot of
things that people are thinking about at the moment with
the cost of living crisis, but also when you do remember,
you get what you need a warrant a fitness It's
not just you know, the sixty five dollars, it's like
the treat on the tires enough, you know what else
are they going to cost me? So it's a bit scary.
And the road user charges themselves. It's it can aid

(04:50):
up quite fast for people. So yeah, it's not surprising merely,
but it is a bit scary considering the whole of
New Zealand is about to have to pay road user charges.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, well this is the same, right, but the road
user changes are going to be electronic, aren't they, So
that'll be much easier to keep on top of wanted.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
Well, I mean, yeah, the government's got to rfy out
at the moment to figure out, you know, who's going
to come to the party and provide a sudden forget service,
which is what you've bonoced actually launching shortly. But at
the end of the day, there isn't kind of a
certified SIDDI forget model the n ZEDTA is going to do.
You'll still have to manually put in what youre adometer
reading is, and the whole thing is quite fragmented, like

(05:28):
as of today, it's just it is just remember what
your license is, Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah. Now you guys are tendering for this RUXS thing,
are you.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah, So, yeah, there's a bunch. I mean, I think
there's a there's a good number of people that are
wanting to kind of provide a solution for this. There's
a huge amount of cars going to need this, and
it's basically a race for finished in the next thirteen
months to provide a solution that you know is the
sudden forget people's choice in terms of privacy friendly. You know,

(06:02):
there's going to be three options for people to kind
of choose. It's going to be manually putting in your
A dometer into an appli like Bonnet, or it's going
to be using a device, and that device is going
to be an interesting one in itself because you know,
what is the device going to look like? How the
company that wins the race is going to be able
to do it in a privacy free, privacy first way

(06:22):
of not recording GPS in my opinion, because no one
wants that. And then the last way is you know,
going old school and going on to the NCTA website
and putting on your A dometer.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Remembering yes, so do you think like it so it
might actually record where you've been in the past.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
No, so well, for example, the device that we've been
looking at, and this is obviously just just us. The
goal the golden like the golden goose, to get this
done with the with the public support is going to
be doing, like doing a device that doesn't record GPS.
So like the easiest way, you know fleets at the
moment are using distance recorders, basically using the GPS, said

(06:59):
like to navigate where.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
That vehicle is.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Yeah, but a device that is privacy first for consumers
should record the distance on the device and then only
ping the answer, so like they're a domoterating So it's
basically like you need to build that, but then you
also you need to prove to the public that that's
actually what you're doing. And also the data has got
data sovereignty because it's actually quite surprising. There are lots

(07:24):
of devices that you buy off you know Ali Barbara,
all the data goes back to China. So it's about
building the device that's probably affordable, you know underneath thirty
forty dollars, doesn't need a battery, can be plugged in easily,
and doesn't record GPS. So there is a lot of
companies at the moment trying to figure out what is
the solution for this, and I think that, yeah, I

(07:45):
think that it'll be interesting to see what the consumers how,
you know, what's going to be the balance of like, oh,
I just don't want to deal it, you know, just
just put the device in or you know, I don't
want anyone to potentially even put a device in make
car if I don't know where it comes from.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Conspiracy theories will the conspiracy theorists will definitely come to
the party with that and not disappoint Thank you, Steph,
appreciate its Steph Kennard, chief executive officer at Bonnett Well
recording the GPS, I just thought of all you adulterers
out there, I thought, oh dear, oh dear, if you're
off having that affair, and then China's recording what you
just a little whip past the old mistress's house, and

(08:20):
then you think it's safe with China. But then Nick Minner,
they start your high profile and then you know, Jijingking's like, oh,
look there we go. They had Look they're having any
should we bribe them? Should we use it as leverage?
And then you know, so Yeah, I'm on your side.
Don't worry. We'll make sure we don't get the GPS
so you can keep having that sweet little affair that
you're having. Hither do you know if Andrew Costa received
any kind of payout or other sweetness in exchange for

(08:42):
his resignation? Ben good question. What we're told publicly is
he's been paid out one hundred and twenty four thousand dollars. Now,
that would equate to about three months of pay for him,
which would presumably be his what has noticed period? Right,
So if he's resigned, So if you resign, you've got
to give notice. If you have to give three months notice,

(09:03):
then they're going to pay you for three months. But
they're also like, Andrew, don't come back to the office,
So here's you three months. Bugger off. That's pretty much
what's happened anyway, Brian. If there are any other payments,
we'll ask Brian Roach Public Service Commissioner when he's with us.
After five sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
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Speaker 2 (09:25):
Hither, I think the principle is more fishy in this
current situation. As well as much of the media for
jumping on the school lunch bashing bandwagon. Well let's see, actually,
do you know what, We've just had it confirmed that
David Cimol is going to be on the show after
five o'clock. So stand by and we'll see what maybe
because look, maybe what's going on is that the officials
just don't want to answer the phone, and the officials
are being dowks and like that's that's it's the public

(09:47):
service as possible, and maybe he can clear it all
up for us. So stand by nineteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
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Speaker 2 (09:57):
Darcy Watergrave sports talkhosters with US.

Speaker 6 (09:59):
Hello us Hi, AI thinks that my partner is Alexandra
Vincent Martelli. So Ali thinks I am da No, someone
sent it to me. What Alexandra Vincent Martelli's partners? To
the politician Darcy Waldergrave, I need to please explain.

Speaker 7 (10:14):
I read too enough. Let's talk about.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
If you were in politics, which party would.

Speaker 8 (10:19):
You be in?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
The or act?

Speaker 4 (10:22):
No, the party party?

Speaker 6 (10:23):
The part is there's such a thing as a party? Party?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Up yourself?

Speaker 9 (10:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:27):
Why not? And I'll make people wear ruffs like Blackadder
and big pantaloons and cod pieces and just get on
with sport a. Coming up on the show this evening
will be joined by a man who is instrumental in
the Twitter Racing series which set up on the way,
Liam Lawson, who's now signed on the dotted line and
he's running as the senior driver for racing balls for

(10:50):
the guys.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Did you hear that grumpy guy who was with Hosking
this morning?

Speaker 6 (10:54):
Why did you call him grumpy?

Speaker 2 (10:55):
What's his name, Chris?

Speaker 6 (10:57):
I should remember, No, it's Peter Pizza to Peter Peter's formula.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
When I say grumpy, maybe maybe charmless is a better
way of describing.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Okay, guys at the higher level generally are when you're
telling of that much money.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, so that charmless Peter windsor well, it was good
to hear him on talking to about it. So basically
what he was intimating was this is about the height
of Liam's career, like this is as good as it is?
Is he right?

Speaker 6 (11:27):
You'd like to think he can move on and what
he's done what I'm really impressed. And we'll talk with
Barry Thompson about because he started the racing series off,
so he knows Liam and what he's done. He's also
managed Brendan Hartley, who had a bit of a time
with Toddy Rosso back in the day of Tyro ross
Ache making everything sound like tod O Marty, I can't
help myself, So he knows. But talking about the mental strength,
and you think about what Liam Lawson endured. He got

(11:49):
given a terrible car that apparent was a brilliant car
because Max could drive it. He got two races in
it and he got shafted, shafted, he got cakes to
one side. He had no time to actually practice in
the car and work out what it was. So he
picked himself up off the floor. He got taken to
the secondary team and he's moved on and he's done
what he's done. So that to me is huge that

(12:12):
a young guy, he's only twenty one, twenty two can
actually deal with that, that grief and that pressure in
such a high pressure world Formula one with actually six seeds,
So says a lot to me.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Darcy listen, thank you. It's always a pleasure to have
you in the show. I appreciate it. Or in the
studio that Starcy water Grave Sports Talk Coast will be
back at seven with Barry Tomlinson.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Thanks Heather for twenty two the headlines and the hard questions.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
It's the mic asking breakfastings.

Speaker 10 (12:40):
Starting to move in the international student market. Roll instead
at over eighty three and a half thousand students. That's
a fourteen percent increase. Amanda marlou Is the Chief Executive
of Education New Zealand and as well ustiness. They're more
demand than the respace.

Speaker 11 (12:51):
I wouldn't say that we're at that sort of full
capacity yet there's definitely room to grow, certainly in some
parts of the sector more than others. So universities have
got higher enrollments than they've ever had so certainly have
to pass pre COVID level to which is great. And
a private training sector grew thirty three percent in the
period that with me recently, so those are really great numbers.

Speaker 10 (13:11):
Back tomorrow at six am The Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Avida News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
News Talk sedb.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Witkoff has met with Putin in Moscow, so we'll get
you the latest on that, whether there is any hope
of a deal Rey Ukraine. It's full twenty five now,
as I told you, Andrew Costa has quit as the
chief executive of the Social Investment Agencies. He's put out
a statement. In the statement, he says he regrets the
impact that this whole thing has had on the young
woman who made the complaints about Jeff mcskimming. He sincerely

(13:47):
apologizes to her for the distress caused. He says, I
accept that I was too ready to trust and accept
at faced value Deputy Commission of mic skinnings disclosure and
explanations to me. I should have been faster and more
thorough in looking at to the matter. I made decisions honestly.
I acted in good faith. I sought to take all
important factors into account with the information I had at
the time. While it is not possible to alter past events,

(14:10):
I am prepared to take responsibility. I got this wrong.

Speaker 12 (14:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
There is a lot more to discuss with this, so
when I get a chance, I will, and then, as
I said Brian, roach the Public Service Commissioners with us
after five o'clock hither I thought I heard the principle
of that school. Say she had a commercial kitchen. But
this is the first time I've heard it repeated. Yeah,
I mean you can go. They're pretty proud of it.
Go google it if you want to hire out a
community campus commercial kitchen. Boom up it comes. Tell me

(14:34):
you can't heat food in that. Here the where did
the ninth box come from? Now listen, Katie, pedantic question
from you, but you actually have hit the nail on
the head here. I think this is really important. Right,
So eight boxes went. So what we were told was
nine boxes arrived on Thursday and eight boxes left. Therefore
one box was left over until Monday and it was

(14:55):
reheated and it was served to the kids. What we
now find out is, no, that's not what the video
evidence suggests. The video for evidence suggests in fact, eight
boxes arrived at nine left, which means one box got
left over on Wednesday, which just means you cannot trust
anything about the system here, right, because what's to say
that the driver didn't come in drop off eight boxes
on on Thursday, collect seven of those boxes and two
boxes from the night before, making nine, leaving another one

(15:17):
for Monday. Like the whole thing just is a bit.

Speaker 13 (15:21):
Like a maths problem, isn't it is? I have nine
boxes and I dropped them off at school, and shall I.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Send this to Erica? Erica, I've got a good question
for year. For your year thirteen maths, solve this riddle
at High Yata Community Campus. Anyway, Jonathan Cursley soon news.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
To hard questions.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Strong opinion here the duplicy el and drive with one
New Zealand tandh of power of satellite mobile news dog
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Speaker 2 (15:56):
For the way the teachers eating the meals, I mean,
yet another question, yet another question, and that one definitely
is one that is a notch against Peggy's integrity. Anyway,
as I said, David Siemore's with us after five o'clock.
Now what about this? Okay, this has just been announced.
They're going to start searching for Malaysia Airlines flight MH
three seventy again. They're going to do it this month.

(16:17):
Starts on the thirtieth of December. US robotic company Oshia
Ocean Infinity is going to take part in a search
of the seabed that would run for fifty days. It's
been eleven years, twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Vladimir Putin's busted out one of his fancy tables for
his five hour meeting with the US on boys Steve
Whitkoff and Jared Kushner. One of Putin's aides, says the
talks were useful, but no compromise has been reached on
the peace plan for Ukraine, and vlad says he's not
the one holding the peace process up. It's the European
leaders who are being difficult.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
They have no peace agenda.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
They're on the side of war.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
Even when they claim to introduce changes to Trump's proposal,
we can clearly see all these changes are aimed at
one thing, to block the en this higher peace process.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Over in Australia, Bruce Luhmann has lost his appeal. He
was appealing you'll remember this. He was appealing his failed
defamation case which ended with the judge concluding that on
the balance of probabilities, Bruce Lehmann had in fact raped
Britney Higgins in twenty nineteen in Canberra in the Parliament buildings.
The appeals court judge agreed with the original judge's findings.

Speaker 14 (17:18):
The only reasonable inference to be drawn from the facts
known and observable to mister Lehmon at the time he
had sexual intercourse with Miss Higgins, is that mister Lehmon
did turn his mind to whether Miss Higgins consented to sex,
was aware that she was not consenting, but proceeded nonetheless.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
And finally.

Speaker 15 (17:39):
No.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
So.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
A baby Jesus has been stolen from a nativity scene
in Brussels. But it's not just any baby Jesus. It's
a zombie baby Jesus. This particular nativity scene is in
the center of the Belgian capital's Old City, and the
artist has chosen not to give Mary or Joseph or
Baby Jesus any eyes, any noses, or any mouths for
our toa reasons. Naturally, the figures look like zombies, and

(18:04):
now zombie Jesus has gone missing.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
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for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent, Hello Jonathan, Hello, he made I'm good.
Have you recovered from your Thanksgiving Well? I want to
say feast, but it was really it was more than that,
wasn't it.

Speaker 9 (18:26):
I think they're still turkey leftovers floating around the place. Somewhere.
I think I've been eating turkey sandwiches for about five
days now.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
The word and if you didn't like it at the start,
what a crime? Punishment? Listen, tell me what's going on
with the Venezuelan bozies and the pressure on the government?

Speaker 9 (18:42):
Yeah, turning from foodies to conflict. Yeah. Look, this is
becoming a real issue for the Trump administration.

Speaker 16 (18:47):
They essentially have faced a lot of criticism and questions
over this sort of double strike that took place on
the first of the Venezuelan boats back on September two.
There had been allegations put to the Department of War that,
at the request of.

Speaker 9 (19:02):
Pete Meiggs at the US had carried out the first
strike on the boat, saw survivors, and carried out a
second now killing those survivors. The Defense Secretary has denied that.
Today it was his first opportunity in front of cameras
to speak publicly about this, and essentially he said, look, yes,
he saw the first strike, but then he disappeared off
for another meeting. Didn't see the second strike that was
actually overseen by a senior official at the Pentagon, and

(19:26):
he was all perfectly.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Fine with that.

Speaker 16 (19:28):
Now there are questions as to whether this needs further
investigation by Congress, whether we need to see the military
officials hauled in before Congress to answer questions over this,
whether the Defense Secretary is going to be called up
to answer questions over this, But both the President and
the Defense Secretary are saying essentially, look, we need nothing
about this second strike on survivors. We weren't there, we
didn't see it. The Defense Secretary going as far today

(19:49):
as to say, you know that this is the fog
of war, and so I think you are likely to
see Democrats continue to ramp up the pressure on the
administration over this issue, and that's no surprise. But when
it comes to Venezuela, well, the President has been trying
to push this line.

Speaker 9 (20:03):
He's trying to stop drug trafficking. He's promised said that
there would.

Speaker 16 (20:07):
Be a ground invasion, a ground strike coming very soon.
Whether or not that actually happens remains to be seen.
Whether this is actually just a ploy by him to
ramp up diplomatic pressure on Nicholas Maduro, the socialist authoritarian
leader inside Venezuela, is probably more likely.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
And listen, what are we hearing from the meeting with
whipkof and Peerson and Moscow.

Speaker 16 (20:28):
Well, you touched on it briefly there and then that
is essentially there is no compromise.

Speaker 9 (20:32):
There is no deal.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
That is the.

Speaker 9 (20:33):
Headline coming out of it.

Speaker 16 (20:34):
Where we've seen these pictures of Steve Wikoff and Jared Kushner,
president Trump's son in law, paraded around Moscow essentially like
tourists off to a Michelin starred restaurant and various sites
around the Red Square in Moscow itself, and then they
would take an inside for the meeting that lasted round
about five or six hours, but nothing of significance came
of it. They don't appear to be any close. You

(20:55):
heard the fighting words from Vladimir Putin before the meeting
even started, that this is Europe's fault, that he is
ready to go to war. I mean, this is the
language he has used previously when he finds himself in
a tough position trying to negotiate with the United States.
But he's not moving, he's not budging his ground whatsoever.

(21:16):
And right now, if you were the US sitting looking
at these negotiations, thinking you've spent months and months of these,
you'd have to start wondering what is it that Vladimir
Putin is actually going to compromise on, if anything, And
if he's not going to compromise, what's the next step?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, well, fair point, fair question there. What's Sabrina Carpenter
not happy about? Mane?

Speaker 16 (21:37):
Well, she's not happy about the president. This is yet
another figure from the world of entertainment. Of course, many
of the swifties across the network would know that Sabrina
was accompanying her and her on a recent eras tour. Now,
Sabrina is not happy about the Trump administration using one
of her songs in a video that was about ice

(21:58):
raids and deporting people. She essentially took to social media
to say, you know that, to stop this. She doesn't
stand by it. She wants them to remove her music
from this. We've seen artists say this to the administration before,
and I think the administration posts these videos with music
from vocal critics of their own campaign and administration, knowing

(22:20):
full well the response they're going to get. And they
certainly got a rise out of Sabrina Carpital.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Didn't They Just Hey, Jonathan, thank you so much. Really
enjoy joy talking to you and enjoy your Turkey sand
which is Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent, eighteen away from five together,
do for see Ellen whether you do know that Jesus
was not born in December but was actually born in September.
That a fact, I'll tell you. Well, I'm not too
stressed out about that because I mean they got the

(22:45):
year wrong as well, didn't they. It's like six pc
like Jesus is born six years before Jesus is born
six years BC.

Speaker 9 (22:53):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I mean, if you're out that much by the years,
what's three months now? Ree Andrew's resignation. I think probably
the most interesting thing of this is the fact that
the government has now admitted that there was no cover up.
So Brian Roach, the Public Service Commissioner, has put out
a statement saying the IPCA found no evidence of corruption

(23:15):
or cover up. Now that is quite an admission given
how many times ministers and the new Police Commissioner, Richard
Chambers have called this, at the low end a cover
up and at the high end corruption Like Judith Collins
on the day, well, I think if it walks like.

Speaker 17 (23:28):
A duck and the quacks like a duck, it's not looking.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Good, is it.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Police Minister Mark Mitchell in the Q and a interview.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
We had a corrupt police executive.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Police Minister Mark Mitchell in the Q and a interview.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
We're coming up against a corrupt police executive.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Richard Chambers on Radio New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Was there a cover up?

Speaker 10 (23:49):
Oh look, I think absolutely it is.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Well, turns out they're all wrong and they've had to
eat their words. Anyway, Brian Roach is going to be
with us, as I say, after five o'clock seventeen away.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
From five Politics with Centrics where to check your customers
and get payment?

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Certainty, very so, senior political correspondence with us. Hello Berry,
good afternoon, Heather Cattle's coster. What did I tell you yesterday? No,
what did I tell you? What did I tell you?

Speaker 7 (24:11):
I said he wouldn't be sacked and he wasn't sacked.
He resigned, Barry, No, he resigned, and no doubt, my
mate Brian Roach will tell you exactly the same.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 7 (24:25):
But look, I must say I do feel sorry for
Consta because you know, he obviously took the word of
Javon mxcimming from the beginning and never obviously followed up.
He took the word of a senior officer over what
was going on in the background. And I guess you
could say, and I'm not really justifying what happened, but

(24:47):
you could say, as a commissioner of police, you can't
be across every.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Why are you smirking the whole time when you're saying
not serious? I don't know whether to take you seriously
or not. Are you really feeling sorry for Costa or not?

Speaker 7 (25:04):
I'm trying to show you my new gentleman.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
I don't know what is going on with you today, honestly, Okay,
we will deal with you know what park the subject
because you clearly cannot deal with this seriously on talk
to Brian Roache about it in a few minutes. No,
don't care, all right. How's it going with scrutiny week?

Speaker 7 (25:20):
Well, in the hot seat today was Treasury and interestingly
they told the MPs that they're a little over halfway
through reviewing the state asset ownership, but they insist that
it's not driven by a desire to sell the assets,
although they went on to say that you know they

(25:42):
will if the ministers require it, say what value it
is of holding onto these assets? So I think reading
between fairly simple lines you know, this has been asked for,
I assume by the government, and they will be seeking
advice like on New Zealand post example, They'll be looking
for advice on whether these assets should be retained. And

(26:05):
there's an argument I guess you can. It cuts both ways,
but it's one that will go on and it'll be
I think an election issue that's coming.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Well, I mean Nationals made it pretty clearly, they got
a campaign on it.

Speaker 7 (26:16):
They want Yes, they want to, but then should the
questions should they be using treasury to arm them going
into an election? You know, I mean they are advisors,
but when it comes to policy, they've got to be
able to make it without using treasury.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Okay, maybe so, but I mean they could, but how
do you I mean, it's a legit question that they can. No,
I'm just trying to figure out a way to phrase
this correctly. I mean they're the government, as the government,
they are considering selling the asset as ministers of the Crown.
So the difference between the government doing it versus the

(26:53):
governing party then using that information to campaign, I just
don't know that you can draw a distinction. Well, I
don't know that you can.

Speaker 7 (26:59):
Well, you've got one part, you're totally opposed to set sales. Well,
New Zealand first indeed has opposed, and then you've got
more common.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Ground between labor and New Zealand. Worm just saying.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
Yeah, well, I would say you're barking up the wrong
tree there.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Okay. So I know that you were watching Donald Trump
videos today in the office.

Speaker 7 (27:20):
I just enjoy them because there wasn't much news going
on around the place today. So I thought, look, my
old mate, the man that I revere in the presidency
of the United States. I'll ever look what he's saying. Well,
he believes that federal income texts could soon be abolished
because of the wonderful tariff money that's being brought in

(27:41):
to the United States. He's serious. I've found it rather extraordinary.
He basically struggled to stay awake during the cabinet meeting
that he was holding, but when he did have his say,
he said the United States citizens could soon see themselves
not to pay any income text because of the tariff.

Speaker 15 (28:02):
Gray, There's never been anything quite like it. It's been amazing.
So we're taking in think of it, hundreds of billions.
Next year, it'll be a trillion dollars or more. But
we're taking in all this money at the same time
protecting our country and we're respected again.

Speaker 7 (28:16):
They actually respect us.

Speaker 15 (28:17):
But we'll be cutting income tax, could be almost completely
cutting it because the money we're taken and is going
to be so large.

Speaker 9 (28:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (28:25):
And he also had to say about the wonderful strike
on Iran taking out some nuclear plants back there in June,
and he was very impressed with the stealth bomber pilots.
Listen to him, we.

Speaker 15 (28:39):
Have a country that's so respected again. But when the
pilots came to see me and I gave him a medal,
all of them. There were a lot of handsome people.
It looked like Tom Cruise. Actually it was very good casting.
But I like Tom Cruise, the last of our movie stars. Probably.
He said, did you really enjoy it? They said, Sarah,
we loved it.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
We loved it.

Speaker 7 (28:58):
Yeah, so we've got nothing to worry about it.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
What's your point, Barry Nothing.

Speaker 7 (29:01):
I was just fascinated.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'm just I'm just wondering why you why, what your
point is of this, this particular segment about Donald Trump.

Speaker 7 (29:10):
I was thinking of your listeners and how they would
like to hear.

Speaker 18 (29:13):
From Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Okay, all right, thank you, Barry, appreciate its nine away
from five very sober, well, Barry. He's got TDS bad,
hasn't he? Heather so has Hosking. It's hilarious of Trump,
ad Myrie or Trush. I don't I can't speak for Hosking.
I don't know Hosking. Team's fair and him on Donald Trump. Actually,
Barry though, it's just wild, isn't it. Listen, We're going

(29:34):
to talk to Brian Roach in a minute about the
resignation today of Andrew Costa. And when I use the
word resignation I feel like I'm using that quite loosely,
because it feels like the government is using that quite
loosely lately. Because can I just run you through the
number of people that we have on record recently as
having resigned and then getting a whopping great payout to leave.

(29:54):
It's been revealed today Diana Safarti, who was the former
Health Director General, she quit, Remember she resigned, She was
like BOBBYE, I've got to go, and then somehow we
paid her three hundred and fifty thousand dollars to leave.
Now they're saying that that apparently was a notice period
that she had to work out based on her salary
the previous year. That was a seven month notice period.
That's one hell of a long notice period. Then you

(30:17):
had far Mack's former chief executive, Sarah fit we found
out yesterday got paid basically three hundred and sixty thousand
dollars to leave. So let's add those two together. What's
that seven hundred and ten thousand dollars? She also resigned
and got a big payout. Then Adrian All former Reserve
Bank governor, who resigned because if he didn't resign he
was due to be fired. Basically, he got four hundred

(30:38):
and sixteen thousand dollars in a restraint of trade, which
is a joke because what's the competition to the Reserve
Bank in New Zealand. There is none, so you don't
need a restraint of trains. It's a fancy way of
paying him out. Again, so let's add that to that.
So now was seven hundred one point one million or
thereabouts for those three. Then you had Andrew Mackenzie, who
actually former boss of kying of order. Actually he blew

(31:00):
the other ones out of the water. He got a
million dollars for leaving, so that's two point one million
dollars and now you can add one hundred and twenty
four thousand dollars the Andrew Costa gone and there we've
ended up paying quite a lot of money to people
who have resigned from their jobs. And what feels like
what I'm starting to get the sense that it's one
of those ones where you sit down and go, Okay,
here's your chance to leave. We're gonna fire you, but

(31:21):
you can resign if you want to, and we'll give
you some money and then we'll make the whole thing
go away. So just a little stitch up there, which
I'm not a fan of anyway. Brian wrote shortly on that.
Then David Seymour, there is a weird thing that's going
on with Leo Maloy. Now you'll know Leo mLOY, you know,
you know, loudmouth, short guy, jockey owns former jockey owns
the headquarters Bard a bit of fun, bit of fun

(31:41):
to have around. Famously breached the name suppression in the
Grace Malaye case. And at the time that he did that,
and that was four years ago, he was fined fifteen
thousand dollars by you know, the New Zealand Judicial system
who were like, that's you broke the law. Here you go,
here's your fine, and he presumably paid it. The Veterinary
Council has also, it's just emerged today find him another

(32:02):
twenty three thousand dollars. What's weird about that is that
it's the Veterinary Council finding him more than the whole
country of New Zealand and he hasn't even been a
practicing vet for a decade. So how do we explain
this thing? Well, fortunately, Leo is going to be with
us after half past five and we can ask him
about that, So stand by. Lots to get through in

(32:23):
the next half hour. Listening to news talks 'b first

(32:47):
Forever Christmas Never.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Drive show you can trust trust to ask the question,
you get the answers, find a fag sack and give
the analysis.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Here the duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile news dogs, there'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Afternoon. Former Police Commissioner Andrew Costa has quit his role
as the boss of the Social Investment Agency. It follows
that damning IPCA report about how top police handled the
Gevin mcskimming allegations. In a statement, Andrew Costa says he's
prepared to take responsibility and that he got this wrong.
Sir Brian Roaches the Public Service Commissioner and with us,
Hi Brian, good evening. So he's been paid one hundred

(33:38):
and twenty four thousand dollars. That's three months notice, nothing else.

Speaker 18 (33:42):
Nothing else. He's been paid as contract for entitlements three
months in love of notice he left today.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Has the government had to pay any money to him
at all? For ministers accusing him of corruption and a
cover up?

Speaker 18 (33:55):
No, this is a very clean process. It's taken along
of than some of is foot of luck. But that
has the outcome which I believe appropriate. He has taken accountability,
he's apologize the express regret he's lost his job. I'm
not sure what more we can expect.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Did he ask you to admit in a statement that
there was no corruptional cover up?

Speaker 18 (34:18):
Those were words that actually came from the IPCA, though,
are words important to him, And that's actually correct, and
so I had no discomfort actually restaking them for completeness
because those things have mattered to him and I was
happy with that.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yes, So in that case, were the ministers wrong accusing
him of a cover up and corruption.

Speaker 18 (34:39):
Well, I think ministers are best able to explain that.
In my context, I wasn't looking at him. He was
an employee of me, of mine, I had worked with him.
I have found him to be very honest, very straightforward,
So I've had none of those experiences of him. I
believe him to be person of integrity and very values driven.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Why did it take so long to get rid of him?

Speaker 18 (35:02):
Three weeks is not a long time in the scheme
of things. It was important that we did the process properly,
that we didn't give rise to undue legal risk. I'm
very comfortable with it. It's a very important process. It's
impactful on his life and his career. I'm respectful of
the time required to get him to the position we
got him to.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Okay, if you found him honest, Brian, why do you
have to.

Speaker 18 (35:23):
Go Because I don't believe he's able to conduct his
job and meet the demands of the chief executive of
the Social Investment Agency. Because there is fairly or unfairly,
there is doubt in people's minds as to his ability
to do their job. Eves of the view that actually
it would be impossible for him to do it. In

(35:44):
the short term. So in discussions he agreed it was
the best thing for him and the best thing for
the agency, and he believes very strongly in that agency
and his purpose and he did not want to put
that at risk.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
All right, Brian, thank you as always for your time that,
Sir Brian wrote Public Service.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Commissioner Duplicy Allen.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Right, So, the controversy over the moldy food at the
school in christ Church, it seems the principle of the
school is correct that she was not left with a
box of food on Thursday last week, which then went
moldy over the weekend and was served to kids on Monday.
She's provided us with CCTV photos proving eight boxes came
in on Thursday morning and weirdly nine left on Thursday afternoon,
which means officials have been proven wrong, or at least

(36:23):
the people at the school lunch collective have been proven wrong.
David Seymore was the Associate Education Minister in charge of
this and with us. Hello David, Hey, Heather, Okay, so
what's the story now, Well.

Speaker 19 (36:35):
The story is evolving and I'm sure you can assemble it.
You've got a principal who has made a set of claims.
You've got a Compass provider which has made a set
of claims, and you've got and government's investigator which has
gone and issued what they believe has occurred, which is
that some meals were left over the weekend, not refrigerated,

(37:00):
accidentally reissued to children and that is the cause of
the problem.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Okay, can we get the records. We've been asking your
office all afternoon for the records to prove that, as
we were told, nine boxes went in on Thursday and
night came out.

Speaker 19 (37:14):
Well, again, we've never made that claim. Compass made that claim.
What we have done is shown people what's in the
public domain, both from the principal and from the government department,
and we've said, look, on the basis of what everybody
can see, it appears that the source of the problem

(37:35):
originated at the school and the Food Safety New Zealand
Agency have issued a new statement reaffirming their story and
their findings, which is bolstered by the fact that regardless
of how many boxes came and went in, that entire controversy,
actually you know that it seems there's a common practice

(37:57):
that some boxes and some meals were always kept back
at the school and Food Safety in New Zealand have
offered their services to help the school improve the process.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
I'll tell you what the problem is. Look, I know,
I would like to believe that the version that you
are telling us, and that the school lunch collective is
telling us, and that the officials are telling us is correct,
except when the officials are pressed to actually provide the
evidence to support their claims, they don't even want to
pack up the phone. Which and yet Peggy, the Peggy
Burrows the principle here, has been able to back up

(38:27):
her claims, which means at this point she looks more credible,
doesn't she.

Speaker 19 (38:32):
Well, you could take that view, but I think that
the evidence that the people at Food Safety in New
Zealand have provided is based on discussions with teachers at
the school.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
But they've provided no evidence. That's the problem, David. They
are just expecting us to take them at their word.
And if there's one thing we learned from COVID is
you do not take officials at their word.

Speaker 19 (38:53):
Yeah, I can appreciate that. Nonetheless, there's a common practice
of leaving meals at the school and leaving boxes at
the school.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
You've had a.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Bunch of the evidence, give us the evidence of that.

Speaker 19 (39:06):
Well, again, you know, you can go and say that
everybody's lying, or you can listen to what they're telling.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
There is no But here's the thing, you guys are
telling conflicting stories. She's been able to provide the evidence.
Can your side provide any evidence of what you're saying?

Speaker 19 (39:22):
No, what I'm saying is that they have gone to
the school. I've interviewed people and they have said that,
according to reports from teachers, there is a widespread practice
of keeping some boxes and some meals. That appears to
have happened. And if you doubt that that's happened, then
you'd have to ask yourself how it's possible that fifteen

(39:43):
other schools that got exactly the same meals from exactly
the same place on exactly the same day didn't actually
have a problem. Now, what's interesting about what you've just said,
heither is you seem to be putting more store and
how much effort goes into communicating with the media.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Right, no, no, no, no, no no no. You would come on,
come on, David, don't be a dick. I would don't
be a dick. You'll bang a dick because what you're
doing is you're making this a story about No, come on, man,
you are making this a story about how about mego
about media ego? It is not about media ego. It
is about the fact that you guys a he said,
she said. And at the end, the only way that

(40:20):
you can listen hear me out, the only way that
you can determine what is true is if the people
cough up the primary evidence she has You haven't. I
would like to believe your story because I can see
the inconsistencies and I can see the possibilities that this
is a problem. Can you answer me one question about
the food? Right, is the same food served on Thursday
that is served on Monday?

Speaker 19 (40:40):
Well as I understand it. Yes, Next point, Heather, just
if you really come back, come back from come back
from calling me names, just for a second, and I
just make the point I make is that the proper
way to address this would have actually been not for
the principle to have gone off and talked to a
whole lot of media. I mean, she's done so many
and she was doing one this morning chat to cut

(41:02):
short so she could go and do another media interview.
It would have been to say child safety is number
one child education as number two.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
David.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you,
but it's quite clear she's playing politics and so are you.
And David, listen for the future. If you're going to
come on here and you do this every single time,
if you're going to come on here and need me
like you do and you and you look with your
little snarky comments, you can expect to be called to
dick and be called out for it. Okay, off we go,
Thank you very much, David Seymour, Deputy Prime Minister. Lord,

(41:32):
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Speaker 3 (42:36):
Six two Heather duplusy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Heather David is a dick. Heather, you are the dick.
Now I'm gonna look to be fair. If the shoe
fits anyway, I'll come back to the text in a minute.
Nineteen past five now, three Ycuttle mayors have asked Fire
an emergency to lift this weird band that's been put
on local firefighters. The fire brigades in Kardawachi and Huntley
have watercraft that they use for rescues on the Wycuttle River,
but they've been banned by fans, not allowed to use

(43:00):
them because of compliance issues. The mayors of Hamilton, Wiper
and White Cuttle say that is not good enough. Whyecuttle
Mare axel Beck joins us. Now high axel Hi, how
are you going? I'm very well, thank you. Do you
know why the firefighters are not allowed to use their
jet skis?

Speaker 8 (43:15):
Well, we know why FENS say they are not allowed to,
and that is that FENS itself as an organization doesn't
feel like it has the capability to oversee it. So
that's head office, right, That's not the brigades themselves. They're fine.
They've got compliant maritime certified craft, a jet ski and

(43:36):
a boat, and they've done all the training. They've got
special gear there to affect swift water rescue. It's called
they've got skippers tickets for anyone who operates it. All
of that's in place. It's been in place since twenty ten,
sixty five rescues.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
So what happens if somebody gets in trouble on the
Wyecuttle River.

Speaker 8 (43:55):
I think they meant to us swim between the flags?
Is that what fire in the moot into your Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
They're on their own out there, are they?

Speaker 8 (44:05):
I look at you know, police obviously if getting a
report of someone in trouble, would of course prioritize that.
But they'd be standing on the banks watching people, you know,
float past. They don't have the capability. They rely on
the fire brigades to respond. It's a risk. We know that,
and the fire brigades have equipped themselves with community funded

(44:31):
equipment to be there to effect that risk.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Do you think that the fire brigades will just ignore
this and do it anyway and go out and help people.

Speaker 8 (44:39):
Well, if they do, they put their own license to
operate in jeopardy. I suppose. I mean, what what's friends
going to do? I guess potentially stand them down. They've
been ordered not to go, not to respond. But what
a terrible situation. Knowing that you've got the gear to
respond and no one else is would would would you?

Speaker 3 (44:58):
What would you do?

Speaker 8 (44:59):
I think they will respond?

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, suspect so, and just really quickly. This is health
and safety stuff, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (45:05):
Well, it's friends saying that as the sort of overall
governing body, they themselves need to have processes in place,
and that's probably.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Wrong, right, But is it their health and safety compliance?

Speaker 8 (45:15):
Yes, yes, it's not the brigade. No express no concerns
about the brigades themselves. We pro to since twenty ten.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Thank you, Axel. Appreciated axelbeck Ycutt or Mayor. The old
health and safety strikes again five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else
news talks.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
They'd be five to twenty four. Listen, we're gonna go,
I'm gonna get to the text, hang on a tech
and they're still coming in five to twenty four. Listen.
In the end, I think Andrew Costa had to go. Look,
you realize he's won a big victory today, don't you,
Because it's a big admission from the Public Service Commissioner
today that Andrew Costa didn't do anything wrong himself. He
hadn't committed any personal wrongdoing. And it's a big admission

(45:57):
also that there was no cover up. And the reason
that it's a big mission is because of the number
of times lots of ministers and also the new police
commissioner went out there in media and said cover up,
cover up, cover up, and then also in some cases
said corruption. Now, what I think this proves is exactly
what I had intimated a few weeks ago. Yes, this
was a scandal, but it was not the a plus
plus plus plus plus plus scandal that these guys were

(46:20):
kind of raking it up to be. That was politics.
They wanted to play the game of the bad guys
are out where the new guys. It's a new broom,
that kind of thing. I didn't rate Andrew Costa as
a police commissioner. I think he was rubbish at that job.
But I always thought that he would be good at
running the Social Investment Agency because he's the kind of
guy that likes the warm fuzzies and the early intervention,

(46:40):
which is what the Social Investment Agency. It was never
about hard policing. He was about warm fuzzies. The Social
Investment Agency is about warm fuzzies. So it is in
a way a pity that the warm fuzzies guy cannot
lead the warm fuzzies agency anymore. But ultimately, like Brian
Roach said he had to go because even though he
did nothing wrong, the buck stopped with him at the
police and he made a series of bad calls that

(47:01):
meant none of us could ever fully trust his judgment again,
and he was going to be a political target. Who
wants to be the minister or the government that protects
the guy that protected Gevin mac skimming, even if he's
the guy who didn't know that he was protecting the
bad guy. And ultimately we've probably got away lightly. I
didn't want to have to pay him one hundred and
twenty four thousand dollars, but that was the low end
of things. That was his notice period. Is probably the
very least you could pay him. But count today as

(47:23):
a small victory for Andrew Costa because he's cleared his reputation,
even if he's lost his.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Job either duel, whether.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
As a dick myself, I object to being lumped in
with David Seymour, Hither, what is wrong with you? You
choose to believe a lefty principle, You're twisted Hither you're
out of order. Look, I'm not gonna lie that was
out of order. I'm really sorry, and no one is
telling me to say this. The boss hasn't that. I
don't even know what the boss was doing in Ah. No, No,
I'm saying this. I'm sorry for calling the Deputy Prime
Minister a dick, and I'm going to as soon as

(47:52):
we go to the news break, I'm going to pick
up my phone and I'm going to call David Seymour
and apologize. He got on my tit. He did as
you could tell, but that does not mean that you
can say things like that. So please accept my apology.
Don't even worry, don't don't. No, you don't need to
write to me anymore. I see the text's going off.
I'd say it's about seventy five percent telling me off
at the stage. By the way, anyway, Leo mLOY is

(48:14):
going to yeah, and I will report back to you
whether he accepted my apology or not. Leo mLOY on
getting fined by the Veterinary Council. Next news Talk SIB.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Under two.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Cause you little Christmas here have you The day's newspeakers
talk to Heather first, Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One
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Speaker 2 (48:44):
We just spent the first of the government. Remember the
government put aside that money for alluring events over here.
We've just spent the first of that and we got
Lincoln Park Park that because we will know no pun intended,
we will be discussing the Lincoln Park before we speak
to the minister who showed out the cash. Louise ups
since she's with us. After six o'clock huddle standing by.

(49:05):
Also update on David. I called David to apologize. David
has very graciously accepted my apology. And then, because under
all of that, Bravado is actually a very nice guy.
He asked if I was okay, Not in the kind
of way like mate, you're being weird? Are you okay?
More like, uh mad, Yeah, you made him woopsie, Are
you okay? So that's to put a bow on that one.

(49:27):
Then twenty four away.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
From six, hever do for c Ellen.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Now, can you remember the time that Leo mLOY breached
names suppression and got fined fifteen thousand dollars by the courts.
Well four years on and he's just been pinged again,
and this time it's by the Veterinary Council of New
Zealand who've ordered him to pay twenty three thousand dollars.
Leo Maloy is with us. Hello Leo, Heather, how are
you today? I'm very well, thank you. Are you going
to pay this?

Speaker 20 (49:51):
Well, they haven't built me yet, but when they build me,
I expect I probably will. Why, well, I still kind
of register even though I'm as a retired vet. I
don't really want to lose my title. We don't want
to be struck aufing like that.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
So is it worth twenty three thousand dollars to stay
in the register?

Speaker 20 (50:08):
Well, I mean, I never never use that for leverage,
but in my view, once you're a VET, you're always
a vet, and it's a little bit of a bond
between us, so I would have thought it's worth it.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
So what is the twenty three thousand dollars for?

Speaker 20 (50:22):
Just legal fees? It's just those lunatics from Crown Prosecution
Services down there in Wellington who they pursued the whole
thing right from the start. Never been about other veterinarian.
It's not one veterinarian even complained about what I did,
and not one member of the public complained for that matter,
but a registrar who was himself a lawyer named Liam Shields.
I think his name was. He contacted us about four

(50:42):
years ago and said, we're going to interview you. Can
I come and see you, which we did, and then
he said a letter about six months later saying we're
going to pursue these charges and this has taken this
long for us to get around the table.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
But Ang, so, how are the legal costs that the
Veterinary Council has incurred.

Speaker 20 (51:00):
That's a very good question, and that may be one
that's being contemplated across the industry today because I've had
a lot of vets in touch with me and they're
all expressing their dismay at what happened. Because see, we
live in the veterory profession. There's only fifty people went
through in my year, and ten percent of them are dead,
all by their own hand. I might have, but it's
a bit of a digression, so we won't go there.
But ten percent of them are dead, so forty five

(51:21):
are left them. They had a reunion about four months ago.
We had some dialogue after that, but a mutual chat
side thing on WhatsApp, and it was quite interesting talking
to them about what was going on and how a
lot of people sort of feel like they've lost control
of the industry. The Veterory Counsel now seems to run
its own race, and as you get a certain type
of veterinarian who wants to be an adjudicator. So two

(51:43):
of the five year stay on the panel were adjudicated
were vets. Yeah, the other three we are sorry, three
of the five. Two of the five were lawyers, and
I think there was a sixth lawyer there too, a
six person who's a lawyer. But yeah, it's all about
the lawyers. They tend to make all the rules now
and they just proceed so when you're read just as
a lawyer too.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
But in all like, genuinely you have no idea how
the Veterinary Council has incurred legal fees with regards to
your breach of you breaching name suppression.

Speaker 20 (52:11):
Well, this guy's name was Finley Biggs and he's got
facial hair. I'm not sure what to read into that,
but I'm always deeply suspicious of a mammoth facial hair.
If Williamson still got facial hair, I'm not quite sure
about that. No cricketer now, no, No, that fellow you're
going to have next on the.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Huddle, Oh Morris, I don't know what I asked Morris.

Speaker 20 (52:28):
Yeah, okay, he'll be suspicious of those sort of people.
But any know this Finlay big rooster, he said around
the show yesterday, and he had a feabit to say
or they didn't know much about veterinary matters. He was
very much into the technical legal elements. And we spent
about four and a half hours zooming. And of the
four and a half hours, they took a forty five
minute break from morning teen and they took an hour's
break for lunch, so about half the time was just
spent doing what you're doing. And when they come back,

(52:50):
they said that you're going to pay forty five percent
of our costs, which will be eighteen thousand or something.
Plus you're getting fined another five thousand dollars for the
cost of the hearing today.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Tell you what you said, remarkably chill about it, Leo.
Thank you very much. Leo malloy, retired VET and best
of luck with it. Twenty away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
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Speaker 2 (53:12):
Morris Williamson and Allie Jones on the Huddle with me.
Morris First of all, I mean, do you have facial hair?

Speaker 3 (53:21):
No?

Speaker 12 (53:21):
But I did for many years.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Okay, I mean should I ask the same question of you, Alie?

Speaker 21 (53:26):
I knew you were going to do that. I knew
that and booked them for a week.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Only because no, Allie, honestly, only.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Because I have done that dead.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
The lights at the gym are really bright, and the
other day I was standing there and I thought, oh, lord, girl,
you're going to turn into one of those women with
the beard.

Speaker 21 (53:46):
And about me, I know, well I need to go
when I hear my husband starting to go mad, which
is the noise for a ghost. So it's not a
silly question. But no, I don't have face.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I'm so pleased to hear it.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
Okay, now I'm comfortable with this. I'm frightened.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Oh we haven't even got started, Morris. We're still dealing
with the face. There's a lot we can go far
further south. Now, Andrew Costa quitting? Is this the right outcome? Morris?

Speaker 12 (54:15):
Well, I think it's correct that he quit, or as
I think Sir Brian Wroch said, they were to find.
And what I don't get is if you resign from
anything you've taken the ownership on that and decided to
do it, which is fine. I think you should just
get any leave that's owing to you and paid up
until the following Friday or whatever. But to actually choose

(54:36):
to resign, as many of these people have in the
health system and right across the government sector. They resign
from the job therein which means they are choosing to go,
and then we give them a big payout. I just
don't get it.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I don't quite understand it either, Alie, other than the
only possible explanation is that they have an extraordinary notice
period that they have to work out and then they
get paid for actually not even turning up at the office.

Speaker 21 (55:03):
Yeah. Look, I think Morris is being a little bit
disingenuous because he knows from his work life too that
people's contracts and arrangements vary. It is not one size
fits all, and if you resign, you can't say that
everyone who resigns, you know it gives a couple of
weeks notice and then they're gone on Friday. When you
negotiate your contract, you obviously negotiate it according to who

(55:26):
you are, what you've done, are you know, your experience
and what hole you're going to leave when you go,
and I think you see that reflected in these high profiles.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Let me ask you this, allie. If you're Andrew Costa
and you resign today, which he's done, and then you
have a three month notice period, should we be paying
you out for your three month notice period if you're
not turning up at the office for the next three.

Speaker 21 (55:49):
Months that if that's what the contract says, I mean
that you cannot This all comes down. I'm not an
employment lawyer. I've got no idea what's in cost of
contractor or even what's an employment law. But you can't
just go well, I don't think that we should be
paying out three months. These people have got contracts, they
negotiate their contracts, they all vary. It is what it is.

(56:11):
I think it's a shame that this money is spent
at a time when we could use it at the
cold space. But unfortunately that is the contract they have negotiated, and.

Speaker 12 (56:19):
Unfortunately I got accused of being being disingenuous. I've seen
a number of employment contracts in the private sect they're
and in the public I don't know any that says
we'll give you a big payout if you choose to quit.
I know that if we're going to make you redund
if we're going to make you redundant, we should pay
you a redundancy. If you're going to be even if

(56:40):
it's going to be a constructive dismissal, you'll have a
right to take a claim about it. But if you
just choose, you can't just go in one day and
say you know what, I don't want to keep doing
this job and then say now pay me out.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
But hold on the go.

Speaker 21 (56:51):
We don't know that that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
That's not what's happening. So what's happening, No, it appears
is two different things. So Morris, in many cases like
Andrew Costa, he's resigning right, clearly a forced resignation, so
he's resigning under durest. And then he's got three months
to serve, so they pay him for that three months
and they say don't come into the office. That's legally,
I mean, that's fair, right, Yeah.

Speaker 12 (57:14):
Well, I guess we need to see the exact wording
of the contract. But there's been so many others when
I've seen, like the chief executive that Health New Zealand
and so on, that they decide this is no longer
the job I want to do, so I'm resigning, and
then they get a very large payout, and I just
don't agree with that at all.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
See what's going on here. I'm on your side on this, Morris,
because what's going on here is they are being forced
out and then getting this lovely little notice period without
having to come in. And then the other nice little
thing that we apparently do now is we create a
restraint of trade claws for somebody like what's his name,
Adrian or when there is no competition. So it's all
I mean, it's just designed to find ways to pay

(57:52):
them to go away, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (57:53):
You're saying he can't go to another reserve bank in
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
No, I don't mutual.

Speaker 21 (58:00):
It's a mutual agreement though. Right this is the thing.
I don't think anyone rocks up and goes I'm going
to resign today. It's quite clear with the people that
have resigned recently that it has been a mutual agreement,
and part of that mutual agreement in their contract will
be that workout.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
You know, the problem is, it's tricky, tricky stuff that's
going on, and it's our money.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (58:22):
Look, I don't disagree with you, but it is what
it is. Your contract says what it says. They want
to go, they want you to go. It's a mutual agreement.
Off you go and it's three months work you pet,
work your time.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Okay, we'll take a break, come back to you go
shortly caught it too The.

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Speaker 2 (58:41):
Right, You're back with the Huddle Allie Jones and Morris Williamson. Allie,
where do you fall on the school lunch drama? Who
do you believe here?

Speaker 12 (58:48):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (58:49):
God, it's so hard, isn't. I've heard your interview before.
Let's draw a veil very discreetly over there.

Speaker 6 (58:54):
To move on.

Speaker 21 (58:55):
I know Peggy really well Peggy Burrows. I've known her
for a number of years. She has a straight shoo,
so she doesn't take any bs, and she knows her stuff.
I think she's stayed really calm in the light of
what's been going on. Politicians do not like people like that,
and male politicians especially don't like that. Sorry Morris, but

(59:16):
what annoys me about this is that Seymour is in
a position of power. He is basically bullying her. And
I would like to say I'm amazed, or I wish
i could say I'm amazed at him making this personal,
but I'm not. And I've seen it before with politicians
who use their power to bully and make things personal.

(59:36):
I'm really pleased that Peggy's put up the evidence that
she has. It's clear that Seymour can't, and I'm waiting
to see that.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Mauric.

Speaker 8 (59:45):
Yeah, look, I agree.

Speaker 12 (59:46):
I think it's based on evidence, and I would hope
that the food safety people who make the claim that
it's stuff that's been there for a long time can
actually verify it. I mean you can Otherwise, anyone can
say anything they like at any time, and then that
becomes the narrative. I mean, there is an evidence tree
here that they could follow, do a little bit of
forensic sort of when meals were delivered and how many

(01:00:08):
and how many were left and so on. I don't
know where the truth lies, and so I can't take
a position on it, but I do believe if you
want to go into a debate on these things, you
better come armed with some fats.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yeah, i'd say so too. Okay, now do you know, Morris,
if your car's regio and warrant is completely up to date,
right I do.

Speaker 12 (01:00:29):
In fact, I've got this natty little app from New
Zealand Transport Agency on my cell phone and if I
click it, it opens up and shows me all the
vehicles we've got here. And we've got a whole lot
because the kids have got cars, and Rayven's got a car,
and I've got a diesel that's got to have ro
and it tells me the status of them all. I
noticed that I'm due for a warrant in three weeks
on one of mine, and I've still got about five

(01:00:51):
thousand kilometers of ruck left the guard. It's all just
sitting on my screen, so I never alert.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
You, like does it say hey, your warrants up in
three weeks or whatever?

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Yes, it does.

Speaker 7 (01:01:01):
This is fantastic.

Speaker 12 (01:01:02):
It's it's a free app out of the New Zealand
Transport Agency. You can register all your vehicles on it,
put them all onto the system and then I don't
know whether you have to use real me. I had
to use real me to log in, but maybe other ways.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
It's just fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I've died a little bit inside. Did you die a
little bit.

Speaker 12 (01:01:21):
Different.

Speaker 21 (01:01:23):
It's amazing. I mean water smarty Pence, you are for
an old man.

Speaker 19 (01:01:27):
I mean that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Ellen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Ologies do we need on this show today?

Speaker 21 (01:01:37):
Look, I don't know, do we get a free tick
after the nights one or something? I don't know. No,
I think that's really good and I think I'm going
to do that too. So it's an z t A one.

Speaker 12 (01:01:45):
Yeah, it's just n z TA app. I think if
you go into the app store you'll see it sitting
there and you then load your vehicles by a registration
plate and it tells you when the warrants jew when
the registration's due, and if you've got a diesel vehicle,
when you're due.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
How good is that?

Speaker 17 (01:02:02):
Brilliant?

Speaker 21 (01:02:02):
Well, yeah, mine's coming up. I know my reag is
coming up. But that's just because I checked the stick
of this morning. I'll have to be a bit more
sophisticated next time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Good on you guys. I mean nothing, honestly, once it's digital,
you've got it sorted. Other than that, it's a problem.
Thank you so much, both of you. Morris Williams and
Auckland councilor and Alie Jones red pr Now just a
word of warning if you do go and download this
NZTA app, and if you do, have to come across
real Me Thoughts and prayers, because that is where people
go to have their souls killed click by click. Nine

(01:02:30):
away from six it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Heather OMG. That NZTA app could be life changing. Thanks
for the heads up, mark, Heather. It doesn't help that
the NZTA sends you're a reminder five to six weeks
before and then one week out, because first you forget,
then you can't afford, and then you panic. Loll well,
thank you. Five away from six. Now Louise Upston is
going to be this after six. She's the Tourism Minister.
She's the minister who said it side this big pot

(01:03:00):
of money so that we could attract events into the
country and we absolutely have to be doing it. I
love the idea. And the first event was selected today
and was paid for by this and it's Lincoln Park.
Now I say Lincoln Park like that because it's not
oasis or taite, do you know, or lady Gagah you

(01:03:22):
know what I mean. Like, it's not like where Marquee.
It's it's Lincoln Park. It's okay, a lot of people
love Lincoln Park. I mean, let's be honest about it.
Lincoln Park as a tribute band at the moment because
the actual Lincoln Park guy is no longer there. But
I suppose you've got to start somewhere. So I'm a
little bit I'm sort of a little bit. I've got
mixed emotions about it, where I'm like, yay, we've got

(01:03:43):
an event that apparently was only going to go to
Australia and not come to New Zealand. But then also,
you know, I was fizzling for something a bit bigger.
But anyway, as I say, mixed emotions, we're gonna deal
with that. But anyway, there is a really big list
of events that have been funded here, and because it's
two different pots of money, one is to attract the
big event international events SOB. The second pot is designed

(01:04:05):
to increase international visitation and drive economic activity in the
short term, and that pot has its funded the Tussock
Country Music Festival in Gore and various other highlights like
I don't want to be mean to Gore. Good people
come from Gore. I mean, you know, We've got family
members from Gore. They don't want to be named. I
do understand that, so you know, I'll protect their anonymity.

(01:04:28):
But Goare is a great place I've spent I've gone
to the Howling at the Moon Cafe, had a great
time there. But I'm just all I'm trying to say
is I just don't need any more apologies. So this
is what I'm going really hard on letting you know
that I love Gore. But is this the event that
is going to you know, attract, you know, drive the visitation.
I don't know anyway Louise can answer it from when

(01:04:48):
she's with us. Shortly, I give you some happy news.
I come with some sad news. Guess what two sectors
have had a pay rise in the past year when
you were just pay for inflation, there are only two sectors.
Which sectors are they first sector healthcare and social services?
And really, honestly, when you adjusted for inflation, it's about

(01:05:10):
zero that they got. So the last one, the one
sector that got the biggest pay rise when adjusted for inflation,
is local government administration roles zero point three percent pay rise.
How happy we are to share this news with you
tonight Louise Upston next.

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(01:06:35):
head in there. Lincoln Parks the governments use the first
of the Big Event Fund and it has been spent
on bringing Lincoln Park to Auckland. They'll play at Spark
Arena next year. There's also a six sixty and Symphony
co Lab which will play at christ Church as a
new stadium, and then a brand new EDM festival Wellington's waterfront.
Louise Upston is the Minister for Tourism and with me
Hi Luise.

Speaker 17 (01:06:56):
Good afternoon, Heather, how are you yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
I'm well did you listen to that? And think yay
or oh gosh, is that what we're doing.

Speaker 17 (01:07:02):
No, absolutely, absolutely pumped, absolutely pumped, And I know that
Aucklanders will be knowing and actually from other parts of
New Zealand as well, because Lincoln Park wasn't coming to
New Zealand before we put this major events and tourism
package together. So that's exactly what this fund is all about,
is making sure New Zealand doesn't miss out on fantastic

(01:07:25):
artists where the Lincoln Park. Well, one of the challenges
is the costs of getting to New Zealand and so
that is a very obvious barrier and so for some
artists it's us being able to say, well, actually we
will provide some support for those costs, to remove that barrier,

(01:07:49):
to help you come to New Zealand. Because we know
that the return out of concerts and things like that,
for every dollar invested, three dollars twenty return and so
that we've seen the evidence for that. Auckland's got great
data on how important concerts and events are and so
we want to invest. We want to make sure that

(01:08:11):
these artists come to New Zealand and that we have
a great lineup of events for all sorts of tastes
and experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
I'm not gonna lie, Louise. I was slightly disappointed because
I was hoping for a big Eden Park concert like
an Oasis or a Lady Gaga or Tata. Have I
maybe underestimated how big Lincoln Park is going to be
or what's going on here.

Speaker 17 (01:08:33):
Well, I think you also need to be patient because
we've got further announcements to come. But this is you know,
Lincoln Park's here in March next year. So what we
needed to do was to make announcements for artists that
will be coming early in the year next year, and
there'll be a whole lot of Lincoln Park fans out
there who are beside themselves tonight. I think it's fair

(01:08:55):
to say I was probably a bit more excited about
six sixty in Symphony, but in the announcement that we
made today, there is something for everyone. There is such
a wide range of events.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Thank you for mentioning six sixty, because I was a
little bit surprised for that. I thought that this money
was designed to on one hand draw international gigs here
in six sixty and Symphony clearly not I mean their
local gigs. And then the other one was designed to
drive international visitation across the country. Is it going to
I mean, is it going to drive do you think so?

Speaker 14 (01:09:28):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
For both those acts.

Speaker 17 (01:09:29):
Of global artists, you know, they just happened to be homegrown,
So why would we not support concerts that demonstrate the
best of New Zealand artists. So it was never about
only international artists. What we want to ensure is that
New Zealand has a wide range of events.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
On offer and we're able to support them.

Speaker 17 (01:09:52):
In this instance, it is about launch obviously of the
christ Church Stadium. Yes, and you know the two different
funds the Event Attraction one is light Lincoln Park. They
wouldn't be coming here otherwise. We're going out to kind
of attract those events into New Zealand. The same with
the FIFA World Series that's going to be fantastic for

(01:10:16):
a whole range of sporting fans.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
And the Tassau Country Music Festival in Gore.

Speaker 17 (01:10:22):
Absolutely we want visitors to be dispersed into different parts
of New Zealand. With the Event Boost, we've been really
clear when it's an existing event, we want the funding
to be used to attract new visitors and some of
what we have funded there, for example, the Iron Man
in Topau is to attract international visitors in the Pro

(01:10:44):
Series to come and do the event in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
So there's quite a mixture.

Speaker 17 (01:10:50):
But we were really clear with Event Boost it had
to be if it was an existing event, something different,
something in addition that would help us to attract visitors
from overseas well. The main thing is we've got a
wide range, wide range of music, sport, arts culture across

(01:11:11):
New Zealand, big cities, small towns, different times of year
and really hitting different audiences and different international visitors that
we'll see an appeal. So it is a complete mixture,
as it should be.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Great Louise, I say this about Lincoln Park and then
I'm probably going to buy almost certainly going to buy tickets.
I can't lie, Louise. Thank you very much, Louis Epstein,
the Minister for Tourism. It's twelve past sex.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Heather duperl Yeather.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
I took my children, my daughter and my three grandchildren
to Lewis Capaldi last night. It was fantastic concert. It
was the best ever. So I told you about this.
The concert Club is made of three members and one
of the members went to Lewis Capaldi. To be fair,
they were doing it. It was part of their job.
They were corporate hosting. They're so had to attack some
other people and anyway, so she decided to go to
Lewis Capaldi and didn't invite in mine us so evidently

(01:12:01):
had much cooler friends, much friendlier friends to take instead,
and then made the mistake of rubbing salt in the
wound and texting us last night and said, guys, I
don't want to be a dick, but Lewis Capaldi is great.

Speaker 6 (01:12:16):
Just what.

Speaker 12 (01:12:19):
This?

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
So I have to just my curiously enjoy it via
the radio because she was there texting us about how
great it was, having not invited us. So anyway, winner yay,
I did hear it was fantastic. What about this? A
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to train the AI chatbots. So what's been going on
anthropic AI. I don't know if you're aware of us.
I mean this is a problem across the AI, but
Anthropicals in particular had been accused of using millions of
pirated books to train its language models. Because our books
are obviously better than all the other stuff that you
get on the internet, right, I mean you could scrape
the emails and the social media posts, the Facebook stuff,
but but people just write like clowns on that don't

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I mean, you don't even have grammar half the time.
Sentences don't make sense, things aren't capitalized in the right places.
But books have been sub edited, so they are obviously
going to be as correct as possible. So that's why
Anthropic has been using it. Anyway, hadn't didn't have permission,
so they got taken to court and this happened in California.
Anthropic has now settled and agreed to pay out up
to about two point six billion New Zealand dollars. And

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one of the authors in New Zealand that gets paid
is one called Catherine Chidji. I think you completely stuffing
up her name. I realize that anyway, she's got about
five thousand dollars per book, which, if you know anything
about royalties and books, that's not bad money. Three books
fifteen thousand dollars. Welcome, Thank you very much. Quarter Pass.

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Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Okay, So this US stock market has resumed, It's run
higher today. It's now closing in on its all time highs.
What has driven this sharp bounce?

Speaker 22 (01:15:13):
That's one of these odd ones. There's nothing really specific
you can point to. The market sold off. This is
decinly five hundred sold off about five percent throughout the
first two or three weeks of November, and then it's
basically clawed all of that back in a straight line.
I think the market's rallied six for the last seven days,
so it's always back to where it was at about
a percent from its highs. People were trying to point

(01:15:34):
to a few things. One piece of one piece potentially
driving is the markets that have moved to sort of
price in another rate cut from the federal reserves so
just like the Benz put in the rate cut last
week in New Zealand, they're expecting one more cut to
come from the Fed next week, and the market generally
responded well to that. There's been some news around Trump

(01:15:56):
is becoming more likely to appoint an economist called Kevin
has It as the new FED governor, and he seemed
to be supportive for markets. He likes intras interest rates
and sort of stimulating the economy. But you know, outside
of that, everyone's a sort of get a bit excited now.
But for what's called a Christmas rally, the semus, it
tends to be quite a strong month. So once the

(01:16:17):
momentum gets going, people sort of tend to sort assume
on the more positive look and think it may continue.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
And is it the case that this time it's not
the tech stocks that have been leading the charges to
other sectors.

Speaker 22 (01:16:27):
Yeah, for once, we can stop talking about tech stocks
and NAO bubbles, because we've seen a broadening of the leadership.
And if you sort of look over the last month
or so, healthcare stocks have already uperformed. There'll been one
of the sort of leading sectors. That's sort of a
mix of people wanting to own stuff that is not
technology and is a little bit more let's say, defensive
or less risky. But we've also seen what we call

(01:16:51):
real economy stocks, so stops that are sort of linked
to sort of the economic growth start to outperform. This
includes consumer discretionary stocks, I think stops like hotels, airlines.
They've also have been having quite a strong couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Yeah, and any specific stocks that are getting attention that
you think is worth calling out.

Speaker 22 (01:17:09):
One that's plowed a little bit under the ray. There
is a stock called Eli Lilly. Now it's pretty well
known because this is one of the stops or the
leading company now behind the fantastic weight loss drugs. You know,
these drugs that are called glp ones, which as sort
of proven to help you lose about twenty percent of
your body weight over a period of time. That stock

(01:17:30):
just passed over one trillion dollars, which is the first,
I believe, the first healthcare of pharmaceuticals stock to do that,
and it's basically because it's key drug called zep bound
has just been going absolutely gangbusters and there's just been
beating all expectations. Outside of that, there's probably I'll probably
call out Apple, which people don't talk about Apple as

(01:17:50):
much because the scene is a little bit more boring.
But it's the new iPhone release has gone really well,
so it's been performing very strong. It's closing in on
the video to be the largest company and the world now.
I think it's got another couple hundred billion dollars. A
marker captor going also passed the video brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Hey, thank you very much. Andrew is so fascinating talking
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It sounds a little bit of good news for a
New Zealand. Anyone flying with the New Zealand looks like
a New Zealand has managed to avert some of the
strike action from the cabin crew next week, so it's
reached agreements and principle with two unions that represents the
regional turboprop and the wide body cabin crew. Strike notices
for both of those fleets have been withdrawn however, and
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a really big problem. They're still negotiating with the narrow
body cabin cruise. That strike is currently scheduled for Monday,
and it will have implications for domestic jet, Tasman and
Pacific schedules, which is just like all the most important ones. Also,
Maria men Or Kappa Kingy is taking John Talmerherdy to
court seeking in an interim injunction. This has come out

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from the Herald. She has filed an application which will
be heard tomorrow morning in the High Court in Wellington.
She's not talking to the Herald. Talma Heerda hasn't talked
to the Herald yet. And quite what the injunction. The
injunction is clearly related to her expulsion from the Maldi party,
but quite what the injunction is supposed to do as
unclear at this stage. Anyway, that's that's going to be

(01:19:31):
what's all over the news tomorrow, twenty five past six.

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Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Have you had enough of Taylor Swift here? She's had
the record breaking world tour, she's had the concert movie
that made over two hundred million dollars and she had
a whole new album that sat at number one for
nine straight weeks. And she's decided you haven't had enough
of her yet. Fans need more, so she's dropped the
first trailer for Taylor Swift Slash The Era's Tour, Slash
The Final Show.

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I want to thank every single one of you.

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For being a part of the most thrilling chapter of
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Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Okay, so there's already a movie, right, because that's the
Eras Tour movie, and if you've seen that in cinemas,
this one is slightly different because it includes the entire
set for her album, The Tortured Poets Department, which came
out after the original film went to the cinemas. But
if that is not enough for you, there will also
be a six But wait, there's more, a sixth part
behind the scenes docuseries released with it, and this will

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give you as a look at how the technical workings
of the tour happen. And then apparently it will also
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I can honestly say I haven't watched a single I
haven't watched any I don't even know if I've ever

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watched one of her videos. I've watched none of it
at all. And I do not feel you know how
sometimes when you you know, when you miss the first one, two, three,
four seasons of ships creak and then you try to
catch up and you feel overwhelmed by how much you
have to I do not feel that feeling with this.
I just feel like I shall never watch it. It
will never happen. It does not matter here. The calling
six sixty a global act as a stretch, I seriously

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doubt there will be a significant amount of overseas a
number of overseas people winging it to New Zealand to
see them. I've never understood New Zealand's obsession with six sixty.
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Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Hey, guess what Andrew doesn't have to leave Royal Lodge Media.
He gets to stay at Royal Lodge for another year.
What does that say about Charles's decision and his ability
to make decisions? Will be a tough brother and a
tough king obviously. Gavin Gray with us in about ten
minutes on that. Right now, it's twenty five away from
seven now, a week since the Reserve Bank cut the
OCR to two point twenty five percent. We haven't seen

(01:22:17):
a decrease, but we've seen an increase in longer term
wholesale raids. Janetib Cherani is The Herald's Wellington Business edit
and with us. Hello, Jeanne, Hey, congratulations on your win.
Thank you.

Speaker 23 (01:22:28):
It's always, you know, little wins in journalism.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
M what did you win?

Speaker 23 (01:22:32):
I got a award from the New Zealand Shareholders Association.
They give an award to It's like a business journalism award,
So that's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Yeah, I love any just here there. It is tough there.
It is only winners on this show, Janey. So I'm
glad you're holding up because I'm not on that stage
at the minute. Now, we knew this was going to
happen eventually read the wholesale interest rates. Fair to say,
it's just happened faster than we thought it would.

Speaker 9 (01:22:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:22:58):
Look, I mean we never central banks get to a
point where they might change tack with interest rates. It
can be a little bit difficult. But what's happened here
is that the Reserve Bank didn't keep the door open
to a further interest rate cut last week, and that
prompted the market to go up. So we saw swat
brates which influenced mortgage rates. They shot up by about

(01:23:20):
thirty basis points. Now the Reserve Bank cut by twenty five,
they went up by thirty. What that means is that
we could see fixed mortgage rates start to rise. The question,
of course, is, you know, no bank will want to
be the first bank to increase fixed rates, but we
might see them come up. Different economists have different views,

(01:23:42):
but some are saying it, you know, early early next year.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Do you think the criticism of Christian hawksby for stuffing
up the comms here is warranted. Could he have left
the door a little bit more jar than he did
instead of being so definitive.

Speaker 23 (01:23:54):
I think it depends on what your view is on inflation.
So if you are worried that you know there is
a bit of inflation brewing, or that you know the
economy is well on its way to recovering, then I
think you wouldn't have a problem with Christian's common tree
because you might think, well, actually, it's fine if those

(01:24:15):
fixed term mortgage rates start rising soon. But if you're
in the other camp and you believe the economy needs
more help and we need those fixed rates to come
down a wee bit or certainly not go up, then
I think you'll say Christian hawks be is mucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Okay, But what about if we take ourselves out of
either of those camps and say, what did the Reserve
Bank want?

Speaker 23 (01:24:34):
Yes, now that's the key question. And people i'm speaking
to reckon that the Reserve Bank mucked up, right, so
you know, but what it might also be this it's
a complicated thing. What it might be was that the
Reserve Bank may be mucked up a little bit, but
the market also got ahead of itself. You know, markets
can be very sensitive and they react sometimes overly strongly.

(01:24:57):
They read into things too much. The interesting thing with
it is that the market jumped after the ocr cut,
but it's stayed there. So those swap brates haven't come
back down. They have stayed elevated. Now it'll be interesting
to see what the new governor who's just started, doctor
Arna Breeman. It'll be interesting to see when she speaks
to media before Christmas, whether she tries to talk down

(01:25:20):
the market or whether she sticks to the line that
Christian Hawksby took, which was to be like, it's all good.
You know where the swapbrates have landed, It's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
What did you make of it?

Speaker 23 (01:25:30):
Yeah, So she on her second down the job. Yesterday
she appeared before the Finance and Expenditure Committee in Parliament,
the MPs. It was funny they asked questions. I think
they were just trying to get a sense of what
her vibe on different issues is. She was very calm, clear, confident.
She really underlined her fixation on keeping inflation in check.

(01:25:54):
She you know, she was a bit cautious when asked
about money printing, and she maybe suggested she'd bring an
international perspective. She answered the questions safely. Yeah, And it
was interesting because the MP's were also on their best behavior.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
I thought were I mean, I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
After that drama with Nichola Willison, all the women shouting
at each other, she comes in and they behave themselves
really well.

Speaker 23 (01:26:17):
I know, it was quite sweet, really like we've got this,
you know, trying to impress the foreigner, come.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
In and we're all being nice.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
You say she was calm, she was actually quite nervous, Janney.
I noticed she was. Yeah, she was. There was a
lot of hand movement, grabbing at her hands, sort of
like doing things to try to calm herself. It's also
quite nice to know that she's taking the job seriously,
don't you think?

Speaker 23 (01:26:35):
Yeah, No, for sure, I think, you know, some some
change at the Reserve Bank is probably a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Is she a first Reserve Bank governor who's a lady?

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
And it's hardly even been mentioned. It's just taken it
in our stride, haven't we.

Speaker 23 (01:26:50):
Well, I love that shouldn't be a.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Big deal, that's right, Janey, Hey, thank you very much.
Go and celebrate your when Janet TB. Trainy the Herald's
Wellington Business editor. It's twenty away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Here the duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
I guess how many of the carbon units sold at
the final Emissions Trading Scheme auction of the year. Yeah? None, none.
I shouldn't laugh because this is money that we're not
making for the country. But not a single carbon unit
sold because not a single bidder registered for the auction,
which means this is the second year that all four
ETS auctions in the year have failed. The other year

(01:27:20):
was twenty twenty three. So it's gone like this twenty
twenty three for fail. Last year twenty twenty four, two fail,
This year four fail. And the reason being it's because
the government, like the previous one, keeps changing the climate
change policy, which is fine, but it is problematic if
you need the money, and it's also problematic if you
want people to keep on pretending that we're doing something
about it and actually trying to fix the climate. And

(01:27:42):
speaking of which, can I point out to you that
happily other media are now catching on to the fact
that we're not going to be paying the billions and
billions and billions of dollars to some Southeast Asian country
to plant the trees because you know, we've as you know,
we've been having the old tete a tete with Simon
Watts and Nichola Willis about it on the show yesterday.
Nikola appeared at the Financial Select Expenditure Select Comittee at

(01:28:04):
the Scrutiny Week and she was asked about it. And
today there are columns just flipping out. Everyone's just flipping out.
They're like, oh my gosh, we're not going to send
the billions of dollars overseas. Just howur we out?

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Because it's common sense, mate, nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
I'd be hither on the carbon market, I got it one,
one hundred percent right, None of them solved. And I'm
a forest owner and man, what a stuff up. It's
way bigger than most people know. Yeah, it is a
little bit of a stuff up. I am I going
to do this, Yeah, gonna do this. Ike is opening tomorrow,
I've got some Ken news. Why not? Why Look it's
late in the show and you know it's been a

(01:28:49):
day of it. So I'll run you through some IKEA
news and just to take sixteen away from seven. Gavin Gray,
UK correspondents with US. Hello, Gavin, So Andrew gets to
stay in his house for another year.

Speaker 24 (01:29:01):
Well, I think that is more of a technicality than
actually going to be reality. I've been hearing from lots
of people that in the first quarter, first three months
of next year he will almost certainly be going from
Royal Lodge.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
This.

Speaker 24 (01:29:14):
Of course, this is massively a huge house near Windsor
that's been so controversial that the King's been trying to
get his brother out of. And yes, I mean in
technicality he gave a year's notice and gave that on
the thirtieth of October. But in reality I don't think
he wants to upset his brother, King Charles any more

(01:29:36):
than already done, so I think it's likely he'll move out.
What's also interesting is he was entitled in theory to
roughly a million New Zealand dollars for surrendering his seventy
five year lease early. That's the way in which this
contract was drawn up. However, apparently the property is in
such a dilapidated state and in need of such repairs.

(01:29:57):
That quote, in all likelihood, Andrew mount Batman winsor the
form of Prince Andrew will no longer be owed any compensation.
There's now going to be an inquiry into the Crown
of State and it's leasing out of the various buildings.
It's not known whether Andrew mount Batman winsor will be
called to give evidence. Frankly, even if he is, I

(01:30:17):
suspect he'll try and wriggle out of that one, not
wanting to put his head above the parapit unless necessary.
So potentially some further embarrassment for the royal founder to
come on that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Now, givin, I thought that he'd spent some ridiculous amount
like ten million pounds or something on renovating the place.
So how is it dilipidated? Is it just so big
that that wouldn't even touch the sides?

Speaker 24 (01:30:37):
Well, that did a pretty good job, but that was
when he moved in, and that was twenty five years ago,
so it's you know, it's probably you know, the problem
is it's obviously gone down hill, and these old buildings
deteriorate very rapidly unless you keep on top of them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Yeah, fair enough. Now the Bank of England is actually
quite worried about the old a eyebabble, isn't it very worried?

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
And do you know what?

Speaker 24 (01:30:59):
The Bank of England rarely puts out these warnings, but
it has warned of a sharp correction in the value
of major tech companies with growing fears, of course, of
this AI artificial intelligence bubble. According to the Bank of England,
it says share prices in the UK are close to
the quote most stretched. In other words, I think you
could say overvalued since they've been the two thousand and

(01:31:21):
eight global financial crisis, with equity valuations in the US
it says reminiscent of those before the dot com bubble birth.
So pretty severe warnings here. The bank is outlining that
the growth of the AI sector in the next five
years will be fueled by trillions of dollars of debt,
raising financial stability risks if then companies go bust, and

(01:31:43):
its citing industry figures forecasting spending on infrastructure could top
some seven and a half trillion New Zealand dollars and
says much of this would be funded by AI firms themselves,
but half would come through outside sources, mostly through debt,
and that it says is a huge risk.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Now, Gavin, should we be worried about all that AMO
that's been nixt from the German town?

Speaker 24 (01:32:08):
Yes, I think we should. After all, why would you
steal a whole load of army ammunition if you didn't
know where you could sell it and it was going
to be used. This is a story that is quite extraordinary.
So the theft is thought to have taken place after
the driver of a civilian transport company contracted by the

(01:32:28):
military left his truck in an unguarded parking lot overnight.
The next day, when the delivery arrived at the Klauswitz
Barracks in Germany, the ammunition, some twenty thousand rounds, was
found to be missing. The armies launched an investigation. So
to the police it's thought as well as can included

(01:32:50):
nine hundred rounds of blank bullets for assault rifles and
smoke grenades also went missing from their shipment. And as
I said, I think big question marks about how lauri
like this could have just been left in a public
car park, unguarded overnight.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
Quite Gavin, thanks very much, really appreciated. Look after yourself
that's Gavin Gray, our UK correspondent right here we go.
So while I am trying to dampen the enthusiasm somewhat
about Ikea tomorrow, I am very happy to report to
you one aspect of the Ikea, which is that Ikea
is not going to charge you more for their gear

(01:33:25):
than they charge the Australians, which happens way too many,
way more than you and I care to admit, and
way more than we want to look at. There are
a whole bunch of retailers will just jack up the
price of a Bunnings, just talking about them jack up
the price for New Zealand, whereas you know over in
Australia they're paying a better price. Ikea is being fair
and we know this because the prices have gone live
on their website already. So the Billy bookcase, which is

(01:33:48):
like the bookcase everybody needs this one, that's one hundred
and forty nine New Zealand dollars in Australia. One hundred
and forty seven. We're we're adjusting for exchange rates here, right,
So this is New Zealand dollars. We're talking about one
four nine, one four seven same same the ips lompsks
swivel chair New Zealand two hundred and nineteen dollars. Over
in Australia they're paying two hundred and five dollars, So

(01:34:08):
what's fourteen dollars between friends? The Malm bed frame we're
paying three nine nine. The Australians are paying three nine nine.
The Calyx shelving unit we're paying ninety nine. They're paying
one hundred and one. So are you getting cheaper than
the Aussie's on at least one item? The maca par
shoe rack, which actually I probably need thirty nine ninety

(01:34:28):
nine over here, thirty three dollars twenty over there, the
clipping two seats sofa three nine nine over here, three
seven six over there, So you know, like but some
not only in exchange rope bits and bobs, but for
the most part you're paying the same thing. However, if
you are looking this and go are looking at this
and going I can do better than this, you can
always go to the warehouse. And it's not because of

(01:34:48):
the prices. It's simply because the warehouse is reminding you
that they are your guys. Ikea is the sweets, but
the warehouse is new Zealand. They've put out like they're
going hard on this. They've put out an ad campaign
on the s social medias and they say no meat balls.
Everything else where your local shop Local nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Yeah, the ten thousand rounds is not a lot on
the grand screen scheme. I just bought one thousand rounds
just this month for sport. Jason, thank you for putting
that in some perspective for us here that are you
finishing Friday like the hosk? Or are you finishing a
bit later? Well, I think there is only space for
one person like the hosk at any employment situations, you
know what I mean? So No, I'll be working a

(01:35:37):
full year. He has earned the right to call the
shots and do what he wants. No, in fact, I'm
finishing the Friday before Christmas? What about you? I mean
that feel? What about you?

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
Laura?

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Are you working the finish Friday before Christmas ends?

Speaker 4 (01:35:50):
I'm working right through ether?

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
What is right through me?

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Are we working the Friday before Christmas? And I'll be
continuing working? And I people want to bring up for summer.
Talkback will be between night the day over the shat app?

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Do you just plugging other people shows? Do you do
you like work Christmas events?

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
I'll have to look at my roster now, I think so, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Okay, yeah, I think most of normal people are working
up for the Friday before Christmas, aren't we? But but
but there's gonna be a little bit jiggery pokery that's
going on here because Mike is leaving so early. I'm
going to have to go and do Mike's show, and
you know what danger money for waking up at two
thirty in the morning, and then Ryan's going to be
filling in here.

Speaker 13 (01:36:25):
So yeah, I was going to say oscave you called it,
and he was like, oh, Heathrow, I want to take
the earth a few weeks after your mind fill.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
Oh yeah, No, he asked my permission. Yeah yeah, he
asked my permission for whatever. Anyway, listen, guys, I'm actually
genuinely worried about somebody in our community right now, which
is the guy who swallowed the Faberget Pendon. He hasn't
poved yet. Police say they have not yet recovered this
thing is worth thirty four thousand dollars, so they need
to recover it. That is an expensive item in his stomach.

(01:36:53):
You remember I I was telling you about it yesterday.
He ate it during the Auckland the theft at the
jewelry store on Friday, which means he hasn't pode since Friday.
They have had a customer, he's in custody. They have
had an officer assigned to watch him constantly, so he
hasn't accidentally like he hasn't slipped one out without anybody
realizing they are watching and waiting for the poop. That Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.

(01:37:17):
That's five days. I feel like this is this is
becoming close to a medical situation and.

Speaker 13 (01:37:25):
Man needs to eat some prones White lines by six
sixty to play us out tonight. Sex sixty is of
course one of the other big events that has been
announced today as part of the government's big funding boost
that they've given to events.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
So global artists.

Speaker 13 (01:37:38):
Global artists, yet once in a lifetime. Six sixty and
Symphony will be at sixteen on the sixteenth of May
at Takahada New Stadium down in christ Church. The new
event will be apparently, according to the notes exclusive to
New Zealand will provide good economic benefit at a regional level.
So reasons to celebrate all rounds.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
And like I was telling you the other day, the
duftaff is getting big in New Zealand and symphony is
part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
Isn't that as part of it? Any other other big one?

Speaker 13 (01:38:03):
There is Ultra Festival coming to Wellington that is a
huge international electronic festival.

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
So it's amazing to say one in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
Hey, Laura, can you put on your list of things
that we have to do tomorrow that we call the
cops to see if he's poohed? Come on, it's legit.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
It it's a cool case.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
It's a legit court case.

Speaker 4 (01:38:22):
We're worried about him, an't we.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
It's a medical event as well. Okay, answer is doing
it and this is going to be with us on that.
See you tomorrow.

Speaker 25 (01:38:36):
Oh yeah, White Lad and Blue Sky who sold did
that weekend?

Speaker 15 (01:39:00):
H White Line and.

Speaker 25 (01:39:05):
Blue Skies who soldered that weekendne

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
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