Full Show Podcast: 03 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Depressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Andrew
Dickens on Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand
to coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
It'd be afternoon June and welcome to the program. It's
the third of October. It's seven after four today after
pay is allowing people to buy their groceries and petrol
on credit. That's after pay. Budgeting experts are ringing alarm bells.
Will have that story for your next The Prime Minister
is telling the Jewish community he's taking quick action here
after that terrorist attack on the synagogue in England. But

(00:32):
the Jewish Council believes is a global rise of anti
Semitism and it's taken root here. We'll talk to the
council after five plus. Of course, Taylor Swift has a
brand new album ount today. It comes out at five.
We will play you songs as soon as we have them,
and we're going to have a rabid fan to squeal
excitedly for you round about five fifteen today plus correspondents
from right around the world and news as it breaks,

(00:52):
and you can have your say by texting me. Nine
to ninety two is a number of small charge applies.
That's where the Jewish world is. In fact, the whole
world is reeling in the aftermath of the deeply disturbing
attack on the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue. This is
of Manchester. Happened during Yong Kapur, the holiest day in
the Jewish calendar. Could you make even more of a

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single than that the horror meet it out by a
British citizen, but of Syrian descent. So this sort of
violence in Britain has been a long time coming, and
there's been tension between British nationalists and of course the
massive surge of Arab refugees and immigrants into Great Britain
over the past twenty years due to economic reasons and
of course wars and more. But is this a sign

(01:36):
that anti Semitism is sweeping the globe? And is it
a sign that anti Semitism is sweeping New Zealand. That
is the fear of the Jewish Council of New Zealand,
who say that anti Semitism does not rise in isolation.
They feel the Jewish community in New Zealand feel exposed
and there's an ambient anti Semitism that has become normalized

(01:56):
in many public and online spaces right here in New Zealand.
And they have a point when you go to a
protest about Gaza and you hear the chance like from
the River to the sea from the kids who don't
know what that means, and the proliferation of Palestinian scarves
on our streets, or because of the protest against the
war in Gaza to in Israeli to a Jewish eye,

(02:18):
that feels like anti Semitism. But is it really antisemitism
or is it just the reaction to what the New
Zealand government calls Israel's disproportionate reaction against the Hamas attack
two years ago. Is there really hatred for the religious
Jewish faith at large in New Zealand or is it
a more secular position protesting the state and not the faith.

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And personally, whenever I've said anything about Israel, I've hated
being labeled an anti Semite because I know I'm not
an anti Semite. I'm allowed to criticize the actions of
the government of Israel. I'm not criticizing the faith. I'm
clever enough to know that the two things can be
simultaneously held without prejudice and conversey. If we're looking at
a rise of hatred in this country, what about the

(03:03):
Muslim community in New Zealand. They can point to the
christ Church Mosk attack as a sign that Islamophobia is
far more widespread in this country than anti Semitism. But
what do I know. I'm not Jewish. I don't know
how they feel. What I feel is it's okay to
protest the actions of a state, but it's not okay
to attack a faith. And it doesn't matter what faith

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we're talking about here. So we'll talk more about this
later and it's the Jewish councilor joining us after five
and we will investigate the rise of anti Semitism in
New Zealand. Gone are the days when you actually have

(03:47):
to pay for your fuel and groceries. From now on,
you can have to pay it. It's that buy now,
pay later service. They've reversed their policy to not let
users access their service at the supermarket petro stations. This
is just seven months after introducing the ban. Better yet,
you can no longer have to even make your first
payment up front. You can delay it for up to

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two weeks rock up to the pump flash the card
Boom petrol z in no money gone down for two weeks.
Jake Lily is a senior policy advisor for financial mentoring
charity FinCap.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Hello, Jake, good, how's it going?

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Very good?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
This confuses me. Seven months ago it is a bad thing,
Now it's good.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
What change?

Speaker 5 (04:28):
I'm not sure. I imagine you've gone to them for comments,
so I'll leave it to them. But yeah, it is
a real worry for the financial mentors we're working with. Obviously,
not a good time for people. People are desperate to
make ends meet, and unfortunately these sorts of loans can
get people on a pretty difficult treadmill of debt to
get off.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Okay, why why should we banned people from doing it?

Speaker 5 (04:51):
I don't think it's about banning in this instance. I
mean you could go down and use credit card to
purchase these things as well. The problem is you've got
more pretensetions on the credit card. The law backs you up.
They can't put you into a loan that would have
been unaffordable from the start and then start charging you
fees and interest when they go to collect on it
when you're in that trap. So that's the real issue.

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These sorts of loans aren't fully regulated like equivalent loans.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, I was going to say, how different is this
from paying for your groceries with your credit card?

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Yeah, I guess you've got a credit card. That limit
that you've got on the credit card. They would have
checked that they're not trapping you beforehand with an affordability assessment.
But at the moment, by now pay later, aren't captured
by that. The new thing that's come up. The government
was a bit cautious. There's a bill sitting there going
through Select Committee that might eventually result in that protection applying,

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so that we've all got it, but yeah, at the
moment you're a bit more exposed if you use the
service and mentors of seeing the pain that comes with that.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, exactly. That bill would hand over credit lending enforcement
to the FMA and STIU of the ComCom. Would that
make a difference?

Speaker 6 (06:03):
It would?

Speaker 5 (06:03):
It also hands over the power to decide Watson and
what's out for our credit protections to the FMA instead
of the Minister. So we're not trying to go to
an MP and get their attention about little bits and
pieces that sneak through the loopholes. Instead it'll be with
a regulator with the expertise to keep an eye on
things where they're getting out of hand and where there

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needs to be someone to step in. So hoping that
all goes through and it eventuates in the right decision.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
So once we go through the.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I made a mistake by actually casually using the word ban.
But what you would say is that you need to
say to have to pay that on a moral a
moral point, that this is possibly not good for those
people who are struggling to make ends meet.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah, it is really a worry when someone puts that
food on. Obviously, in two weeks time, if they're in
the same position, they go to buy food again, They've
now got to get end no food money, so everything
starts going backwards and it all gets harder. And what
we see as people trying to keep these buying now
pay late accounts as a lifeline, and they just get

(07:07):
deeper and deeper in thet They end up paying for
these instead of other essentials, skipping meals to pay them
keep them open. It just gets worse and worse. So
financial mentors really worry, Jake.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
I thank you very much for your time. Jack Lily
as the thin Cap senior policy advisor. He said, right
at the beginning, have you gone to after pay for
a reaction? Well, we've just got it, just got the
statement from after pay. After pay is evolving based on
customer feedback and strong merchant partnerships. The reintroduction of no
payment upfront for fuel and groceries gives customers greater flexibility
while maintaining our commitment to responsible lending. Using after pay

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for every day spending is now mainstream, and by enabling
this feature through our trusted to network, we're meeting customer
demand with safeguards in place. And finally they say they
have no fees for those who pay on time, offering
a safe, interest free alternative to traditional credit cards, who
of course have high interest rates, helping consumers manage every
day space responsibly. How do you feel about it? How

(08:02):
do you feel about after paying for groceries? For food,
for petrol? You can text ninety two ninety two a
small charge of pies. Now, no cricket today because it's raining.
What a surprise. It's October. You know we're not having
a summer of cricket. We're having a spring of cricket
and then no cricket over summer and then an autumn
of cricket.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
And I want to know.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
What's that about. Why don't we have the best cricket January, February, Hey, December,
but we do. It's coming back in March. What is
that about? Well, I don't know, but I have got
Jason Pine next and we're going to talk about the
all back Test in Perth, maybe the Singapore Grand Prix
and of course the NRL Grand Final right here on
News Talks here b it's four fifteen.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
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Speaker 2 (08:50):
It be News Talks here, b I Andrew Dickens and
for Heather, who's away for a little bit of a holiday.
Back again on Monday. It is eighteen minutes after four,
so after pay. It's a bit remarkable with that have
to pay that seven months ago they thought no, no, no,
we shouldn't do this because this could trap people in
a bit of a cycle of debt, and then seven
months later they reverse their decision. I mean, what changed
over that period of time. But the big question is

(09:12):
how do you feel about it? And our texted writes
and and says or We'll imagine having groceries on a
higher purchase and it is really actually quite remarkable. But
at the same time we've got no money, you got
no money, and if you can pay for it in
installments though, it does build up, and as I said before,
the interest rates are less than if you're doing it
on a credit card, which people are doing. Another text

(09:33):
that says for those who are good with money yet struggle,
it's a God sends. But sometimes you have to wonder
whether those people who are struggling are good with money
in the first place. It is nineteen after four.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Sport with tab multis fast, easy and more codes are
eighteen bit responsibly.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Jason Pine afternoon, Hello Andrew. I may have been a
bit quick in saying that there's no cricket tonight, but
it doesn't look like there's any cricket tonight.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
No.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
I've had a look at the forecast and it doesn't
look promising, nor doesn't look promising for tomorrow night. It's odd,
isn't it. You know that you think of a place
in New Zealand that you know you can guarantee reasonable
whether most of the time in Mount montnganer be to
one of the places you'll land on.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
But we are early October.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I was going to say it is October. I had
never seen an international game played now, and I've just
complained about the fact that we've got three tours that
are all over and done with by December. We've got
nothing in January, we've got nothing in February, and then
of course we have an autumn of cricket after this
spring of cricket. What's that about.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
You're speaking my language, Andrew. I can't work it out either.
You and I grew up in a time where January
February was the real heart of the home summer. We'd
have white and red ball international cricket to look forward to.
You're right, once Christmas rolls around, that's it. But I
guess we do have a T twenty World Cup to
look forward to early part of next year. But look,
it's yeah, it's hardly surprising, is it that that cricket

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scheduled in early October was going to be affected by
the weather regardless of where we had it in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
What that oval needs is a roof. But correct, let's
not's not even get into that. Well, yes, here, here's
something that is definitely going to happen as at ten
forty on Saturday night. Whether I'm going to stay up
for it, I don't know or backs Whilabies, how are
you feeling?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
I feel good about it.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
What I want to see is a halt to the
inconsistency that is afflicted the All Blacks through the Rugby Championship.
They beat Argentina, they lost to Argentina, beat South Africa,
then lost to South Africa, beat Australia. So I don't
want to see them lose tomorrow night. I want some consistency.
I'll look at the team that's been named. There are
many changes to run an eye over. No Boden Barrett

(11:36):
of course, to Damien McKenzie and at ten first ever
testaff A Peter likey Quinta Pie is going to play center,
which is an unfamiliar position for him.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
And other talking points as well.

Speaker 7 (11:46):
Sixty five thousand packing into Opta Stadium over in Perth
should be a good spectacle.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Okay, I've got a question for you wanting. We've got
want inconsistency. So we've put Lester faan Nuku on the wing,
even though for the last two years or two on
he's been playing center, and we've put Quintupie in at
center even though he normally plays second five. And so
we're putting people out of their positions into different positions
at a time when we want consistency.

Speaker 7 (12:10):
So how does that where? This is a very good
question you ask or questions plural. I look at what's
got Robertson's done since he took the rains, and I
did a quick calculation before I came on with you.
He's used fifty five different players in what will be
twenty three test matches after tomorrow night. Fifty five different
blogs have been handled a Black jersey. In his time
as All Blacks coach, He's talked about building depth. He's

(12:31):
talked about giving opportunities. I guess if you are going
to do that, the first two years of World Cup
cycle is when you do it. What I would like
to see, as I'm sure you would, as a crystallizing
down to a more of a core group of plays
next year and on towards the World Cup. Who will
carry our hopes to Australia in twenty twenty seven?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
In Url Graham Final Sunday Night, I'm going for the Broncos.
What are you going for there the Storm. Yeah, I
am too. I think a lot of people say, well,
Storm have been there, done that. They're kind of the
experienced team. But I look what the coasted last week
beating the Panthers. Not many people have done that come
finals time in the last little while, and that wonderful
one over camera a couple of weeks before that.

Speaker 7 (13:07):
I just feel like it might be their time. The
Storm will be favorites, I'm sure. But yeah, Reese Walsh,
a guy we know well over the side of the ditch.
I wonder whether he might hold the key for a
Broncos one on Sunday night.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
He always does, but he's a little crazy. Have you
weekends week a time, all right, Jason Plaine, have yourself
a great weekend. It is now twenty three minutes after four,
of course, Jason on the radio over the weekend, the
ultimate Voice and sport right here on News Talks, m
b at texta In says, absolute rubbish. Summer will not
be as good without a good test match. To sit

(13:40):
in the sun, enjoying, baking away, brewing up the carcinoma,
enjoying the Bruskies on the terraces, singing the songs it's
just not right.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Andrew dickens on
hither dupless Ellen dry with one New Zealand coverage like
no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
They'd be for twenty six as being anti Israel, the
same as being anti Semitic. Tex Through from Steph says,
when I say anything against Israel, it's got nothing to
do with the Jewish faith or the citizens. I have
no idea what each citizen thinks. I am against the
disproportionate response of the Israeli government and military against citizens
caught in the middle of it, no matter what their faith.
It is against international law. So it's pretty straightforward. We'll

(14:23):
talk about this after five with the Jewish Council. Meanwhile,
we've got time ticking on Trump's Guardza plan, which I
don't have much hope for because her Mass was not involved.
The latest is Italy backs Trump's cease fire plan. The
Italian law makers say they will recognize a Palestinian state
if her Mass releases the Israeli hostages. It has kept
out of any eventual government and the world helps the

(14:45):
Gazans who have been terrorized after two years of attack
that's just the news. That's not me being anti Semitic,
is it. Please We'll find out more with the Jewish Council.
So anyway, maybe, just maybe things might turn round. There's
pressure coming on right now. Now I'll tell you what
is coming round. And exactly thirty three minutes time, Taylor
Swift is releasing a brand new album and we will
breathlessly bring you details and talk to a mega fan

(15:07):
and play new tracks off it. But to get you
in the mood, we're going to play old stuff from
Taylor Swift. And to be fair, I Love I Love
Evermore and Folklore, those albums, you know, the old folk albums.
And here is an album that came out. It was
the second album Swift releasing. She did Folklore, then she
did Evermore, two of her best albums in my humble opinion,

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And here's a track called Willow to take us Up.
So four thirty and then of course the world was
and then of course we're off to America to find
out how the shutdown's going. As hither to Alan's drive
on new songs, it'll.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
Be to see that's mom.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Today's newsmakers talk to Andrew first, Andrew Dickens on Hither
Duper c Allen Drive with one New Zealand and the
power of Satellite Mobile new songs.

Speaker 8 (15:55):
It'd be believe them still big you all when I
walk in the room after.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Welcome back to the program. Oh, this person's quite good.
I think this person might have a future of music.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Tear up.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
We've contempt to.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Put me in the basement.

Speaker 9 (16:13):
Of your heart.

Speaker 10 (16:14):
Time.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
It's a complex rhythm. Yes, we are going to Taylor
Crazy this afternoon, not our call. In fact, it's the
head of producers who's a mad person from Taylor. So
if he's written all this, he's chosen most of these
songs we are currently playing from the album Midnight's mid Jeweled,
which was the eleventh studio album, was released back in
twenty twenty two as the final album she released before

(16:35):
embarking on the Eras tour. She has a new album
involving a showgirl or something like that coming out in
twenty four minutes time, and we will bring you all
the details as they come to hand right here on
news talk zep Beat Now. Paul Winston Peters had a
little bit of a protest happening outside his house in
very fashionable Saint Mary's Bay in Auckland. This happened last night.
Protest was run by people supporting the Flatilla people. Of

(16:57):
course he is the foreign minister. We had about thirty
protests outside Winston's house, chanting and banging drums and waving
Palestinian flags and writing messages and chalk on the footpath
including the names of order to detain New Zealanders. And
of course it bothered the neighbors. It bothered ebbs of everybody.
So Barry Soper, we'll have more on the protests outside
Winston Peter's house in about eight minutes time.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive
all right.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
In the wake of what happened in Manchester, Sakir Starmer
is warning against the rising hatred towards Jews in Britain.

Speaker 10 (17:33):
It is a hatred that is rising once again and
Britain must defeat it once again. This is a country
that stands up to hatred and that we don't just
provide refuge, we provide a home.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
The mother and two people are dead after the attack,
three of them a seriously injured. This was after a
man attached the synagogue in Manchester with a knife in
a car now to America, where dot Trump threatening mass
firings in the wake of these shutdown There's a whole
lot of Fair employees who have been furloughed, and he's saying,
why don't we just furlough them forever and clear out

(18:10):
the dead wood.

Speaker 11 (18:11):
Well, they could be firings, and that's their fault, and
it could also be other things.

Speaker 12 (18:15):
I mean, we could cut projects that they wanted, favorite projects,
and they'd be permanently cut.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
All right, Dave. Finally, visitors are describing the Disney World
parks as ghost towns. It's on track to have his
lowest attendance since the pandemic, and so it's not quite
the happiest place on Earth at all. I've got a

(18:42):
very good friend and a husband who went to America,
and the one thing about America is that they were
thanked over and over and over again for being New
Zealanders coming as tourists to America in the wake of
you know, the administration twenty two.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
To five International Correspondent squid ends and eye insurance, Peace
of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
And speaking of America, we're joined now by Jonathan Kursley,
who's our US correspondent, Hello, Jonathan.

Speaker 13 (19:10):
Andrew, good afternoon to you and all will listeners.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Are you fizziting with excitement in that Taylor Swift's album
is now twenty one minutes and thirty seconds away from
being released.

Speaker 13 (19:20):
Twenty one minutes, twenty four seconds. We could do this
for the next twenty one minutes and twenty seconds now, Andrew.
But it is well and truly a champagne cock that
is about to be released. I think when it comes
to Taylor Swift fans, look, there won't be any bad blood.
It may well be a love story for of them.
They have to shake off their excitement. They can look
forward to something that won't be a cruel summer, and
they may well feel enchanted and it will be all

(19:42):
too well for them all as they Let's just tick
off those Tailor Swift song names as we go through it.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
How long did you? How long did you work on that?

Speaker 13 (19:48):
For about three and a half minutes, Andrew. But I
think I think we get the idea. It's going to
be twelve tracks. The Life of the show Girl comes
out very soon.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Indeed, hearing in the.

Speaker 13 (20:00):
United States there are going to be watch parties for
the music video tomorrow movie cinemas across the country. There
are listening parties taking place across the country tonight is
no doubt there is in New Zealand. No doubt the
officers there will be grinding to a hold as we
get ready to listen to the next installment from Well.
I suppose the biggest musician of the twenty first century,

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and it will be happening across the Pond and Australia.
It'll be happening right around the world as we embrace
the new era.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
I suppose from Swift.

Speaker 13 (20:29):
But it's is going to be astronomical and I think
you can expect this to be one of the biggest
Spotify downloads that you will ever see. So much is
anticipated about this album. What are the lyrics? What are
the messages about? Who is she singing about? But we'll
find out, I suppose.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
In well few minutes time.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
To be honest, Jonathan, I think Tellor Swift now transcends music.
She could actually release her sort of humming Happy Birthday
over and over and over again. It will still go crazy.
She has transcends music. But when you put that to
Taylor Swift, fans like, oh no, the music is everything.
Which I will do later on. Let's talk about something
a lot more serious, and that is the shutdown and

(21:08):
Donald Trump's plans to perhaps fillow some people forever.

Speaker 13 (21:13):
Yeah, this is extraordinary, and I think we're going to
start seeing the initial movements probably in the coming hours.
The White House has already indicated there's going to be
mass layoffs in thousands, and they could begin as early
as tomorrow, as early as yeah, tomorrow, in the United States,
the president's itinery has been released. You likeily won't see
him in public again tomorrow. We didn't see him in

(21:33):
public today. He's been accusing Democrats of being the ones
behind this shutdown, but it is Republicans who control the House,
Republicans who control the Senate, and Republicans who control the
White House. Now what does it actually all mean. Well,
it means that a whole bunch of federal government run programs,
federal government run tourist attractions can effectively have their doors closed.

(21:54):
And we've seen that already. I mean, the Statue of
Liberty is threatening with having its lights turned off. Island
in the Bay Area here in California that's been closed down,
The Washington Monument's been closed down, but in reality, this
is now going to mean what Donald Trump has been
trying to do, and that is shrieked the bureaucracy. And
I think in the coming hours you're going to start
seeing his first movements on how that's going to play out,

(22:16):
and there will be layoffs. He's already said that. His
Press Secretary Caroline loved said at the White House today,
it's just how deep and how wide are they going
to go?

Speaker 6 (22:26):
Because we know that they.

Speaker 13 (22:27):
Are trying to cut their bottom line big time in
order to try and save minions across the economy. But
the longer this goes on, the more it hurts the
economy too. I mean we're already hearing from places that
help mothers and children who are on low incomes and
try and get food vouches to them. Those organizations are
going to be forced to shut down in the coming

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days if this goes on, and it is going to
go on at least until next week. That is because
they have not been voting on the Senate today because
it is yon Kapoor. They will return tomorrow. It will
not get through. The spend bills will not go through tomorrow.
They will not sit over the weekend. So we will
go through to this into what will be day six

(23:08):
come Monday, and so it will drag on and very
very quickly you will find that people financially will be hurting,
them be hurting very very badly. Indeed, they won't be
able to afford to get to work. They may not
be fabled to afford to put the food on the table.
And the last time we saw a shutdown in Trump
administration twenty eight and twenty nineteen, it's thirty five days
and we saw lines at food banks. Now the president

(23:29):
is not going to want to see those images again,
and if he does, he's likely to shift the blood
politically onto his opponents. So maybe it will be shrink
the workforce, get done what he wants to get done,
and then tell his Republicans to go back and get
something through that reopens the government again.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, that's a big risk because everybody who's paid by
the fair will also vote, you know, and he'll find
he'll lose a lot of voters. And there's a perception thing.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
But there we go.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Vladimir Putin's not happy and unhappy that he's not happy.
But what's he not happy about?

Speaker 13 (24:00):
Well, he's not happy, but a whole range of things.
I mean, he's not happy that NATO is involved in
trying to protect NATO's own airspace. He is seemingly unhappy
with the idea that the United States could re arm
Ukraine with potentially even stronger Tomahawk missiles that could reach
well inside Russia. He's issued a warning that essentially to
the United States that could be an escalation. He's told

(24:21):
NATO essentially they need to calm down to even though
what NATO has done is put up its own fighter
jets to stop Russian drones or drones launched from Russia
going into their own airspace. So what you're seeing is
a very tense situation play out between Russia, the United States,
and Ukraine. America's president has said he's not happy with
the Russian presidents that he thought he might have got

(24:41):
a little bit more out of the Alaska meeting. But
I think anybody who watched that Alaska summit take place
between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump would have walked away
in the hours after thinking, well, America didn't really get
anything out of this, and peace in Ukraine doesn't seem
any closer, and right now it actually doesn't and now
you've got the idea of the United States ramping up
the supports to Ukraine with missiles that could potentially reach

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well inside Russia. And while that starts to become an
extra big problem, and with Vladimir Putin already saying that
that would be a major escalation, well then you have
to wonder what comes next.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Oh what a lovely thought to go into a weekend
for Jonathan Kurzley. I thank you so very much for
your time, Jonathan, our US correspondents, and it's coming up
a quarter to five texts through on ninety two ninety
two small charge does apply. Ben says, I stand by
the right to protest, but at someone's home late at night,
when they're trying to sleep, that's harassment, says Ben, and
I thank you for that mean while another says some

(25:36):
will say the protesters went too far, that MPs deserve
privacy and should be safe in their own homes. Ask
those people how many Palestine people are safe in their
own homes. We're talking about the Winston Peters protest last
night Instant Mary's Bay at night, banging and clattering of
pots and pans, affecting not just Winston but the entire neighborhood.
Barry Soper on that and more. Next here on new

(26:00):
Talks Head.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
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payments certainty.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Barry Soper.

Speaker 12 (26:06):
Good afternoon, Andrew, It's good to have you.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Hear it now.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Winston Peter's your great mate, had a terrible night last night.
Thirty protesters chanting, banging drums, waving Palestinian fags, waiting messages
on the chalk on the footpath, all about the detained
New Zealanders in the flotilla, upsetting the good people of
Saint Mary's. Baby irony there is that the other side
of Winston's house is the motorway.

Speaker 12 (26:27):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
So he's got a motorway humming all night long on
one side, and he's got a whole lot of chanting
protesters on the other side.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
What do you know about it?

Speaker 12 (26:35):
Well, you know it's to me a person's home is
their castle, and you know, nobody's got the right to
stand outside a public figures home and bang on drums
and disturb the whole neighborhood. He lives in a pretty
small street and the protesters, when they posted online said

(26:57):
come down and join us. We'll be doing this more
than tonight. They were out there at five o'clock again
this morning. How did they know that Winston Peters was
going to get up and have his car there to
go to the airport. Now somebody I don't know who
told them, but they were there then.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
And you know, to me, it's just not you might say.

Speaker 12 (27:21):
Respectful, but that sounds too twee. But people should be
able to say what they like in this country in
terms of democracy and do what they like. And the
government government has got to be able to govern without
these woons gathering outside his house. Now, Winston was quiet

(27:42):
on it initially, but he in a trump est trump
ESQ like he posted on X. I don't know the
trump uses X, but he said politicians had families and
children just like every other key we home. He said,
our families don't deserve to be harrised and intimidated for
any reason. He said they lost their moral high ground

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when they turned up outside his house.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
And I tend to agree with him.

Speaker 12 (28:10):
And you'll remember last month Paul Goldsmith, the Justice Minister,
he said that they were looking at the possibility of
it being an offense to protest outside a person's home,
well that maybe move forward now, who.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Knows at temperature specifically. Rising had a text that I
read up just before I got into the ad break
before you that said MPs deserve privacy and they should
be safely their own homes. Yes, but how many Palestine
people are safe in their homes.

Speaker 12 (28:39):
It's always going to be the argument, isn't it, though?
And the thing is to really understand this issue is
to know that everyone probably in the world, including most
people that live in Israel, are appalled by what's happened
in Gaza, and so it doesn't diminish that in any
way at all. We all hate it, we all hate

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what we've seen, but you know, we are entitled to
take our own stances on what was said. And indeed
I supported the stance that New Zealand took last week
this time last week in New York because you had
to read the speech really to understand it, and it
was a very very well written, good speech, and I

(29:23):
just hope that those protesters would take the time out
to read it themselves.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I did post that and I said, read it. It's
a grown up piece of it's weighing everything up. He's
a lawyer, and you know I got I understood it
and all that sort of thing. But boy, when I
posted that on social media, I got a lot of people.
I know, grow some ballstick has become a real journalist,
you know, stick up for no No, I am a
real journalist. I just read the words.

Speaker 12 (29:47):
Yes, yes, indeed, and you know everybody's entitled to have
the essay.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I think, all right, neighbors getting more questions about the
Mary Party today, Well they're going to get.

Speaker 12 (29:56):
Them, aren't they. And this is going to happen if
the leadership the Maori Party can't sort themselves out. And
of course we've got the son who headed the Hiquoi
to Parliament coming out against the party that his mum
is an MP.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
He's an impressive young man, he's.

Speaker 12 (30:12):
Very well spoken and so he's called the Maori Party
leadership a dictatorship. And of course Debbie no Riuwa Packer
and Roie Way to Tea is they're not saying anything
essentially now and they should have. They should have made
some sort of statement in Ferris's you know again criticizing

(30:33):
him for what he doubled down on Labour's constantly being
asked about doing business with the Maldi party and Willie Jackson,
a good mate of the party's president John Tammy Harry.
He was asked about it this morning.

Speaker 14 (30:45):
Don't ask me, but I think the leadership. You know,
you got raw Woody deep JT.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
John.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I mean they've got a big job because.

Speaker 14 (30:51):
The other side of it is, you know they've got
a young woman coming into parliament. Now we go to
Parliament next week, big big week for her, big week
for her community.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
I would have thought that'll be the priority. Now.

Speaker 14 (31:01):
Now I'm not saying they're going to be a Coalisian partner,
but what I do get tired of is how they
get written off all the time by people and they going, well,
they're just not suitable. The party Maori did a deal
with the National Party in two thousand and eight. They
were probably even more radical than this slot.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
And I'll say so that is no, they were well
don Barry Saber and I thank you. Barry's back after
six as we review the week, it is seven to five.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 11 (31:31):
Let's get some insight into how much of a mess
the Mary Party in it. A flabbel former co leaders
with us Erud Karpa KINGI I don't know him, do you?
He seems like a very affable, likable sort of bloke,
very articulate.

Speaker 6 (31:41):
That's a good summary of them.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Okay, So is he trouble or is he going?

Speaker 6 (31:44):
There?

Speaker 11 (31:45):
Something fundamentally wrong with the Marory.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
Party and the statement of these natives politicians need to
stop being activists and activists need to stop being politicians,
which I think is a fair call.

Speaker 11 (31:53):
Is the dictatorship thing. The thing is that your observation
that they got a problem run there.

Speaker 6 (31:57):
I sort of haven't been involved too much with a
party at that level since I left. Got on the
face of it, you'd say there's a few things going on.

Speaker 11 (32:05):
Back Monday from six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News talk zb.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
He Ramsey with the latest of news coming up at
five o'clock, and then we're with the Jewish Council to
talk about the possible rise of anti Semitism in New
Zealand how real is that? And but later on a
dude who actually makes drones who could now get some
money from the New Zealand government to make even better drones.
What sort of drones does he make? We'll find that out.
And a very excitable fanom of Taylor Swift's, because Taylor

(32:31):
in three minutes time releases an album. The last album
she released was Tortured Poets Department came out and then
when't you know, it became a double album just hours
later called the Anthology thirty one songs on. It all
ended out in the US Top one hundred. I mean,
this woman who cares what the songs are like, She's
just they just buy it, it seems.

Speaker 6 (32:48):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
From Tortured Poets Department to take us to news, I
can do it with a broken heart. This is newstalk' zedba.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
You know, check up my job, the only drive show

(33:35):
you can trust to ask the questions, get the answers,
find the facts and give the analysis. Andrew Dickens on
Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
power of satellite mobile News Talk Sippy.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
After They're Welcome to the program at seven after five.
So the Prime Minister is telling the Jewish community that
he's taking quick action here in New Zealand after the
terrorist attack on a synagogue in England were two people
died forward seriously injured. This was a Manchester on Yom Kapua,
which is the holiest day in the Jewish calendar. It
was obviously very symbolic. The attacker a thirty five year
old British citizen of Syrian descent. He was killed by police.

(34:12):
So Christopher Luxon says appropriate action will be taken here,
including increased security around synagogues.

Speaker 15 (34:20):
These are looking at that this morning.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I've been brief quickly on that they will continue to
look at stepping up whatever else they can do. All right,
Ben Caps from the New Zealand Jewish Council is with
me now, and good afternoon.

Speaker 16 (34:31):
To you, Ben Hi Andrew Hay doing good mate.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Have you been told by the police or security services
or anybody as to what is going to happen outside
areas where Jewish people congregate them?

Speaker 16 (34:42):
I mean obviously that the people in our community you
handle those sorts of things, have been talking with the
various authorities and I'm sure they will do what they
need to do to ensure that we're safe.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
I know that the Jewish councilors say that you at
these days feel exposed. Do you feel at this in
this country that the protection needs to be stepped up?

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (35:05):
Well, I mean, I think there's some context here.

Speaker 6 (35:07):
Right.

Speaker 16 (35:07):
For the last year or two, we've had leaders in
New Zealand chant and shout to globalize the Nafada. What
we saw in Manchester last night is an example of
what happens when you globalize the Nafada. So, in good
Jewish style, I'm going to answer your question with another question,
which is a question to those leaders in New Zealand
who are chanting globalize the Intafada, is that what they meant?

(35:30):
And is that what they want for New Zealand, Because
that's really worrying if it is.

Speaker 12 (35:34):
Wellether.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
This is the question I've actually asked with Chloe and
many other people. When you say from the river to
the sea, do you know what that means? When you
say global interfada, do you know what that means? Is
that actually synonymous with anti Semitism or are they actually
protesting the secular state of Israel?

Speaker 16 (35:51):
Well, I think the reality is the people that here
globalize the Intafada can't differentiate between those two things. And
that's why you see you know, people doing what they
do in synagogues or firebombing, you know, Jewish owned businesses
in New Zealand. Or abusing kids in schools or universities.
To them, that is globalization of the Entafada. And so

(36:14):
we are calling for people to think about their words
and think about what they say, and think about the
direct consequence of the things that they say too frankly
signal their own virtue and gain attention.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
But what do you say to all those people who
want to who are standing against Israel's actions in Gaza,
for instance, and want to criticize Israel the state for
their military actions in Gaza, and who are then met
with cries of you're an anti Semite?

Speaker 6 (36:40):
What do you say?

Speaker 2 (36:41):
What do you say about the other side?

Speaker 16 (36:44):
So there's absolutely no doubt in my mind or in
our minds that criticism of Israel is absolutely valid, and
criticism of Israel, you know, isn't directly anti Semitism. We
have no issue with that. Conflating thections of the State
of Israel or the government of Israel with Jews globally,

(37:05):
that is clearly anti semitism, all right.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
And is this or because of Gaza or is this
something that's been rising for a while, Because I remember
being young when Jewish cemeteries were being attacked and there
were swastikas all over the place. There was always some
crazy sickos who had some love affair with Adolf Hitler.
Is this rising because of Gaza?

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yes?

Speaker 16 (37:25):
So I mean the same right. My grandmother is buried
at the Cory Cemetery and I remember as a kid
seeing her grave interfaced with swosti because it's always been there.
But clearly over the past couple of years people have
been emboldened by people in New Zealand who frankly should
know better, saying flippantly things that have delitarious impacts. And

(37:46):
what we saw in Manchester is there is a direct
line between people calling to globalize the inta fada and
people being murdered.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Well, Ben, I thank you so much for your time.
Enjoy your weekend. It is eleven after five, all right,
let us government announced them from Judith Tizzarut. She's announced
a huge boost to our local defense industry. Judith Collins,
the Defense Minister, says the government will invest up to
three hundred million dollars in the advanced technology sector to

(38:16):
produce military requirements. So who's going to get this sort
of money. Who's going to apply for it? Well, one
of those local defense companies is Saios Aerospace. They're based
in Tonoga. They make drones, and its chief executives Sam Vai,
who joins me. Now, Hello Sam, Hey, good effenoing. So
for people who aren't familiar with SIAS, what do you do?
What does your company do?

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (38:38):
Okay, So SIUs Aerospace develops some manufacturers uncrewed vehicles or drones,
drones and robotics across air, land and sea. So we
make drones that fly, drones that drive on the ground UGBs,
and drones that go in the water. So autonomous spokes.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
How long have you been doing that for? So we've
been doing it.

Speaker 15 (38:56):
Company's been around four years in Mountain Monmonoi, and about
two years ago we really progressed into working further in
the defense sector, but primarily because we wanted to support
the effort for Ukrainians and the Ukrainian war.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Are you still in a design phase or do you
have working prototypes or product.

Speaker 15 (39:17):
So absolutely, we have work in products right now that
are operational in operational use. And you know, we have
a wide range of vehicles from uncrewed helicopters to autonomous
boats and a number of these are in operational use
as well as we have new systems and new products
in development.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
So you already have a client list, correct, very good.
So what does this kind of partnership with the government
with a defense force mean for a company like yours?
How will it change things? Because you sound like you're
doing pretty good by yourself.

Speaker 6 (39:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (39:53):
Look, one of the huge ad advantages with this industry
strategy is is how nz DF New Zealand Defense Force
can actually work collaboratively and co developed systems with New
Zealand tech companies. And you know, if tech companies are
just to try and do it themselves, they might potentially

(40:14):
miss the end user requirements. They might you know, they
might develop an amazing product that might not just be
suitable for the solution or to fill the problem gap
as well as you know. So so this this news
actually assists in nz DF directing the basically U Zealand
tech industry as to what the problems are, what can

(40:35):
ENZ tech industry solve and how to apply our products? Okay,
and and and by doing that that obviously creates a
you know, if tech companies such as SiZ and and
various other New Zealand tech companies, if we create an
amazing product that is a DF needs that's going to
be applicable for the huge export market as well. So
that's that's that's one thing. The second huge point is

(40:56):
ns a DF can can also conduct in and trials
and experimentation with New Zealand tech company products. Okay, so
that's going to be a huge boost to actually have
NZDF test in New Zealand products.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I would have thought with the current global situation with
everybody arming themselves up, business would have been going gang
busters for you anyway. So the question was did you
even need government funding or was there enough private capital
coming your way to keep going anyway?

Speaker 15 (41:26):
So actually science is pretty much mostly grown from purely
organic growth through contract revenue with customers overseas. But what
we're what this announcement today will actually further boost our
growth because utilizing nzdf's ends user knowledge as well as

(41:48):
their test and evaluation, test and experimentation capability will allow
us to rapidly grow our products even faster.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, giving you more products, new products that you can
then on cell as well. And that's all good for business.
And Sam Vibe from the Science Aerospects, thank you for
your time today. Thank you all right, it is now
fifteen after five, we have some new Taylor Swift for
you and you will hear it. Give me a couple
of minutes downloading up for you on michill be It

(42:18):
is eighteen after five. Time for a cultural moment, ladies
and gentlemen. Eighteen minutes ago, Taylor Swift released her new album,
her twelfth studio album, called The Life of a Showgirl,
and we got to hear some new music. And in fact,
this is the first track on the album, because that's
how far we've managed to get through listening to it
in the last eighteen minutes. And this is the fate

(42:39):
of Ophelia. Now on first hearing, that's a little bit

(43:02):
autotuned and very poppy and not country if it's if
I'm fair to say that, But what do I know?
What I do know is Aphelia. The famous Ophelia was
actually in Hamlet by William Shakespeare. And when Hamlet was
in his descent into badness and obsession with revenge and
all that, treated Ophelia very cruelly and famously, he told
her to get thee to a nunnery, which is a

(43:22):
famous line in literature. That was Aphelia. Meanwhile, l magazine
at that bastion of journalism is reporting that this album
is about Travis Kelcey saving Taylor Swift from a dissent
into heartbreaking insanity. So you see how this is linked
up with Ophelia and Hamlet and William Shakespeare. Oh my god,
maybe I might be thinking too much. Now if you

(43:44):
want to listen to this, but you don't want to
listen alone. There are listening parties happening all over the world,
and there's one happening at Real Groovy in Auckland and
Kayla Anthony from Real Groovy is m seeing the event
and joins me.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Now, Kayla, Hello, Hello, Hello.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Are we excited?

Speaker 17 (44:00):
Very excited that Life of a Fate of Ophelia? That
was the first time I've heard anything because I'm saving
it for our listening party, So that got me very excited.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Absolutely. Why are you excited? I mean, it's just a
very competent country and pop star releasing an album. Or
has she transcended just being a musician?

Speaker 18 (44:17):
Yeah, I think she definitely has.

Speaker 17 (44:18):
I mean, if you've seen you know, the Eras tour
was the largest selling tour of all time, so she's
definitely just transcended that.

Speaker 18 (44:27):
You know, normal pop star persona.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
And of course the fans will be dissecting the album
with Scalpels to find out what it's really saying about
her private life and what her relationship with Travis Kelcey
is like, who she will be getting married to, which
is Jaylor knowses, doesn't it? And she puts in Easter
eggs and Christmas gifts for people so that they can
get in there and just have a good old gossip.

Speaker 18 (44:51):
Oh yes, she puts Easter eggs and everything.

Speaker 17 (44:54):
I think she had a Spotify pop up in New
York and there were Easter eggs everyone where.

Speaker 18 (45:00):
She loves like fans like sifting through all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
So you're having a listening party.

Speaker 18 (45:08):
When does this Real Groovy?

Speaker 2 (45:09):
When does it start?

Speaker 18 (45:11):
It starts at six pm tonight and.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
That's you just stick it on. Everyone gets into Real Groovy,
gets themselves some wine and cheese, and has a listener
and has a good old chin wa Is it right?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (45:21):
So we're gonna have some bedazzling arts and crafts going on,
and then we will have a raffle twenty copies of
the vinyl that we have currently.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
How many people are coming along? How many people are
coming along.

Speaker 18 (45:40):
Uh think the RSVP list is about sixty to seventy.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Now, what do you say to Craig who sticks to
me as all her songs sound the boddy same?

Speaker 17 (45:52):
I think that is bs to be honest, I think
every album sounds completely different and she doesn't sound the same.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Well, look, we're going to play more of the Life
of Ophelia, which has, as I've already said and I've
already analyzed, has long links to William Shakespeare. So if
you don't want to hear this, you can hang up
with me now and we'll play a little bit more
of this song, which is the only song we've got
off the album so far. But we'll get onto a
track two, and then track three, and then track four
as time goes by. Can I remind you that when
the anthology came out from Torture Poet Society, all thirty

(46:24):
one tracks ended out in that hot one hundred. That's
a lot of money.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
You saved my heart from the fat of.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.
It's Andrew Dickens on Hither duplessy Eland Drive with one
New Zealand coverage like no one else use talks.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
It'd be it's five twenty five. Heather's off to Queenstown.
She's back on Monday. You know, I was watching the
TV news last night, and sometimes when you're watching the news,
sometimes a phrase or sentence just jumps right out of
the screen and the speakers and it really grabs your
attention and you go, oh, actually, that's important. It's not
all the flower fly and flannel. Happened last night when
I suddenly heard Chris Hipkins saying quite forcefully to party

(47:08):
Mari appears to be a long way away from being
ready to have a role in government.

Speaker 6 (47:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Okay, that should be a wake up call to the
Malory Party and to Malory voters, in fact, all voters
in the country. And I'll tell you why. I've just
come back from an extensive tour of the South Island
enjoying the late season snow. Why are they all closing
this weekend? They've got more snow than they've had Anyway.
I've been talking to business owners and farmers in South
Islanders in general, and the common feeling I got from
everybody was a growing lack of confidence in the National

(47:36):
leg government, a feeling that the current government has the
right idea what to do, but they're doing it badly
or they've been doing it at the wrong time. And
their other big fear is that people affected by this
austerity light and this recessionary times that we've been in,
whatever you want to call it, might vote in protest
for the other lot. And the other lot, of course labor,

(47:57):
the Greens and to Party Mary. And their fear, of
course is that maybe there might be a protest votes
and this people come in and there'll be taxes and
crazies from the Greens and to Party Mari, taking New
Zealand down an ideological cul de sac. So Hipkin's dismissal
of the Maori Party's attitudes should give them pouse to ponder,

(48:17):
because this party has never positioned themselves ever to be
on the treasury benches or have any real influence. In
my opinion, they stand for government while being dismissive of government.
They have no desire to change things or to shake
policy from a Mari perspective, to contribute to MMP, to
be part of a coalition. But they're sure as he'll
take the wages, weren't they. They're not like the Mari

(48:40):
Party of old, who partnered with National and gave us
Tejuananga and a whole heap more than nowhere near that anymore. So,
if there was a government protest vote for a left
wing what sort of government could Labor form? Well, obviously,
as Chris said last night, not one at the moment
with to party Mari, and only just one with the Greens,

(49:01):
who similarly hold a protests mentality, with no ounce of compromise.
And the best that Labor that could then hope for
will be a minority government without a caucus support from
a radical Maori party, which sounds tremendously unstable. So there
we have it, ladies and gener and that's what you
have in choices next year, the choice of a dithering
right block and an anarchic left block. Well, good luck

(49:23):
on that one.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Andrew Dickens five twenty.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Seven more Taylor Swift is on the way. But with
all the misery around the place it is, it's a Friday,
it's time to talk about a roof on Stanley Street,
a stadium I've been going to since I was a kid.
It's never had a roof. It's always been either too
hot or too wet. And this is great news, but
this is the government actually putting some money in, actually

(49:46):
investing all of a sudden, and then we've got the
sports huddle as well. And what's this open light?

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Is this track two?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Now don't know it's on the album. The new Taylor
Swift album came out twenty eight minutes ago and you're
hearing it first on Newstalk's THEB.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. It's Andrew Dickens on
Hither Dupless Ellen Drive with One New Zealand Tent of
Power of Satellite Mobile news Talks, NBA, good.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
I, Well, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
In thirty six minutes, we've managed to play you three
Taylor Swift song from her new album, The Life of
a show Girl. This is called Elizabeth Taylor. There are
already reviews. The BBC says, getting straight to the point,
it's a triumph. It's a combination of compelling songwriting and
whip smart production that easily clears the high bar that
Swift has set for herself. The Guardian, though, gives it

(50:54):
two out of five stars. Oooh, it's an album that
isn't terrible. Let's just nowhere as good as it should
be given Swift's talents, and it leaves you wondering why.
And bill Board says Swift's eagerly anticipated returned to bangers
is not say, nineteen eighty nine Part two. Sorry, I
don't even understand their sentence. I just read I do

(51:14):
nineteen eighty nine was well loved. Instead of coming back
with party tracks, Swift has synthesized the commitment to Christine
Hooks that she shares with Martin and Shellback. And I
don't know, yeah, really a few people actually testing in
saying the Newstalks heb audience doesn't have a toss about
Taylor Swift, but it is a big business story for
those people. Can I just say that Ronnie Wood from

(51:36):
The Rolling Stones and the Sun has said that the
Rolling Stones have basically a completed album that is in
the in the camp and really to be released early
in twenty twenty six, and they may indeed be going touring.
And can I just say Eden Parker is waiting for you,
the ladies and gentlemen of the Rolling Stones, and that
is rock and roll. And if we've played a lot
of new Rolling Stones tracks, you'd be a lot happier

(51:58):
but there we go. It's twenty two to s Dickens.
Eden Park wants a roof. Stanley Street is getting one
where this soon won't be a worry for tennis fans
in Auckland. The Stanley Street Tennis Arena, now sponsored by
Manuka Honey, is finally going to get a roof. The
government has now pledged five million dollars towards the fifteen

(52:21):
million dollar project and it's hope the roof will be
completed by twenty twenty seven. So the CEO of Tennis
Auckland and the ASB Classic is Roan West, who joins me. Now,
congratulations to you Ryan about time.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
What I Andrew?

Speaker 19 (52:34):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 9 (52:35):
Yes, there was a red letter day for the Manuka
Doctor Arena and Tennis Aalkland certainly was a fantastic announcement.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I apologize for getting the sponsor role Manuka Doctor who
gave us the Manuka Honey et cetera. Okay, how much
of a draw is a roof to elite players from
around the world, Because the problem has been with the
tournament that when it rains, it gets delayed and we
end up having to extend a day, and with the
Australia Open so close it's a bit tough.

Speaker 19 (53:03):
Yes, you're dead right.

Speaker 9 (53:05):
It is a real draw card for players now, especially
when we're up against the lights of Brisbane and Adelaide,
who have had rules on their center court arenas for
a good number.

Speaker 19 (53:16):
Of years now.

Speaker 9 (53:17):
So if a player of a certain caliber, let's say
top thirty, top twenty, who would be expecting to play
on center court for all of their matches of a tournament,
if they have the option of going to a venue
which is.

Speaker 19 (53:33):
Fully covered versus ourselves which isn't.

Speaker 9 (53:36):
And we have to admit the players know that Auckland
has inclement weather in early summer. It's not till late
in summer that it really settles down here in England,
so they know that, so that is a decision maker
for some players. What we do, and have done for
decades now is create an environment where the players want

(54:00):
to come.

Speaker 19 (54:01):
We have full crowds, full arenas from the.

Speaker 9 (54:05):
First serve of the first match of the first day
right through the entire tournament, and we really enveloped them
in the sort of monarchitangua and hospitality that Keywis are
renowned for now.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
The other thing about the stadium is that it was
risking losing tenaments because the court just wasn't big enough.
So as I understand it, are you moving the stadium
that's near the domain, you're actually moving that back a
bit so you get more caught.

Speaker 6 (54:33):
Yes.

Speaker 19 (54:33):
Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (54:34):
We started the first phase of this part of the
redevelopment project about four months ago where we demolished the
Robinson stand at the southern end and we have just
recently started the extension of the court so the court
surface will increase by four meters. That is to make
sure that we adhere to the new international standards of

(54:58):
court length. As most of your tennis fans and listeners
would know, the game has become so much more powerful
in the last few years. You've got players in the
men's side, especially six five, six sixty seven, booming down
massive serves and players are really playing a lot deeper
in the matches, especially receiveing serves. So we needed to

(55:22):
basically extend the court to stay within regulations.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
So you're going to have to lay a new court,
is that right? And of course the problem with that
is that it may change the speed of it. And
one thing about the Auckland court, it's the same speed
as the Aussie Open. Will it'll still be the same
speed as the Aussie Open.

Speaker 19 (55:38):
Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (55:39):
All we're doing we're going to be replicating the subsurface
that's already in place, and the top coats of the
paint have to be the same as the Aussie Open,
so we will not be changing that.

Speaker 19 (55:51):
We are committed to having the same playing surface as Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Twoko questions the roof. I understand it will be translucent,
so that means some might get through, So we won't
be playing under lights in the middle of the day.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
Should not know.

Speaker 9 (56:07):
Probably the lights will come on a little bit earlier
than currently, but yes, through the height of a sunny day.

Speaker 19 (56:15):
We won't need lights on the center court.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
And we've got five million from the government. All up
now seven point one million has been raised, but you
need fifteen so I guess you're rattling the camp.

Speaker 9 (56:27):
Yes, in the next few weeks and a couple of months,
we expect to have another two to two and a
half million in our side of the kidding, so that'll
get us very very close to nine nine and a half.
And we've been discussing with a council for a number
of months. Some other options for council support. So we're

(56:49):
just in those processes and we're a reasonably confident that
we'll get to that starting point reasonably soon.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Good Luck.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Can't wait for this year's tournament. Can't wait for the
roof and con graduate asients. Rome West, who is the
CEO of Tennis Auckland and the ASB Classic.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
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Speaker 13 (57:20):
And the Army's huffed and puffed, but they can't quite
blow the fortress down.

Speaker 17 (57:24):
At Eden Park, the bladders lope puff in all black
tens for another year and.

Speaker 10 (57:30):
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Speaker 4 (57:34):
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Speaker 20 (57:35):
It was crit it was a termination from this.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Platforms signed light. The access is behind the.

Speaker 7 (57:43):
Stumpstairs one hundred seven Robinson, You beauty.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
You beauty.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Oh It's Friday is home for the Sports Huddle, And
on the Sports Huddle today we've got Jim Kaye sports
journalists and Hangers MacKaye from Gold Sports rugby commentator and
also working on the country at the moment, gentlemen, good
evening to you evening, hey, miss how good is the
roof on Stanley Street.

Speaker 21 (58:06):
Oh, I think that's just fantastic. Let's I love your
rattle that can really loud. Let's get it done. The
number of times I've sort of managed to sort of
jam me in on a session at the tennis and
it's rained and it's poured and they've got the towels
out and here, this is just just just the best thing,
you know. And increasing the size of the court. I mean,
we get good names there always. I think we do

(58:27):
pretty punch above our weight, but even will even be
better for that now?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah, exactly. And to Jim, I actually I have been
to Stanley Street when it was grass. You know, this
is how long I've been going there, and this has
been how long I've been waiting for a decent stadium
at this place to be filled.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Careful, careful, careful. It isn't it amazing that they have
to make it bigger. It just shows the power of
the athlete. The technology and the rackets and the balls
and the surfaces and all of those salts things that
they're adding another what is another four meetings that's quite
phenomenal and very sensible and logical. And when you watch
the players as as your guest and the interview said,

(59:06):
you can see how far the boars go. But yeah,
that I found that amazing.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
You know, you know, how we could have solved all
of that is prevented the tech, the tech that's gone
into tennis records. For instance, back in nineteen ninety one
hours at Monte Carlo and I actually watched beyond Borg
try a comeback. He had a wooden racket. Everybody else
had the modern records. He didn't have the power. If
we get them wooden gym, then we wouldn't have to
extend the course.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Well, yeah, I don't think you seriously believe that, but
you know, I think the technology that's coming to most
sports has been really really good, and I like it.
I think the game is fantastic to watch.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Heymus, Are we going to get cricket tonight?

Speaker 21 (59:44):
No, I think something's out, isn't it. I think it's
it's done, and course, of course quite.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
I love in tar and I could tell you what's.

Speaker 21 (59:53):
Happening coming with them.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Pouring with rain. It is very very persistent.

Speaker 6 (01:00:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Yeah, you'd be very long odds to have a ball
bowl tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Do you know when I heard that they were going
to try and play tea twenties in October and do
three tours of international teams before December. I said this
would happen, and it would happen. Was this a bad call?
And I know it's because of the World Cup, and
I know teams can't come in January, but this is
bad for cricket, isn't it? Hamish?

Speaker 6 (01:00:23):
Uh? You know?

Speaker 21 (01:00:24):
I mean I sat down and watched for the first
time the other night in a long time, like a
long time, and maybe they had something to do with
where the channel was and the positioning of it. But
I think, you know, I think we've just got to
be every opportunity. Yeah, look, you damned if you do
an you're damn if you don't. I think we've got
to be playing the game regularly and let the Tim
Robinsons of this world come through, because we saw that

(01:00:45):
with our Blackburn and rugby team seriously underdone. Now, they
were never going to beat England, make no mistake about that,
but they should have done better and they don't and
they're underdone. So I guess we try and get as
much competition at all levels and all sports as we can.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
And Jim mind the mention of Tim Robinson. Look at
this look at this talent. We already said we had
a deep talent pool. And then a guy who comes
out that I didn't really know about goes and knocks
our one hundred against Australia. We have a good team
right now, Oh we do.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
And what a great backstory was it meant to be
in the team? I think it was crutching? Was it
the Hamish over the weekend?

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
A's the country guy as the country guy and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Then our amos has seed a few sheep on the time.
Don't worry about that. He knows the right into the
clippers and then he comes into the team and he
knocks over a hundred. Fantastic. So yeah, we've got some
good depth. There's some young guys coming through. I've got
a nephew keep telling me that one of his old
schoolmates of the team and he's young. So you know,
it's a good look. And I agree with Hamosh that

(01:01:41):
need to get games and look at rains and January
as much as the rains on October and New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Okay, Well, Jim from talonga our weather man in Hamish,
McKay from the country, our rural correspondent, are talking sport.
There's a couple of sports are definitely going to happen
and they're big. And there after the break we've got
the All Blacks Versus Australia and Perth got the NR
Grand Final. That's next on News Talk SEB.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
All right, take three from Russell says, what does the
tennis tournament do for New Zealand Tennis? I as a ratepayer,
object to council or government putting in any monies. But Russell, look,
it is actually a venue. And when South Australia put
a roof on their venue, they were inundated with requests
for people wanting to host count concerts there, wanting to
do beach volleyball there, wanting to do dance parties there,

(01:02:33):
wanting to do rallies there, all sorts of things. It's
another facility for Auckland and it's got a roof.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
So there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Now we're on the huddle. Jim Kays and Hamish Makay
is with us. I'm going to go with Hamish first
because he is a rugby commentator. No offense Jim, but
there's quite a game on in Perth where the all
backs are searching for consistency and yet due to injuries
and also Scott Robinson's you know want we're not going

(01:03:02):
to consistent side Hamish.

Speaker 21 (01:03:04):
No, and look one of the issues here is can
we do too in a row. That's the consistency we're
talking about here. But he has thrown a bit of
you know, he's said a few No. I don't like
the way they do messages nowadays. Like the rhetoric is
for me Billy Proctor and for me Wallace a titi,
you dropped right, you drop you actually dropped from the
starting fifteen. Now, nothing would make me hungrier to get

(01:03:27):
back in the starting fifteen than being dropped. But they
are no, no, no, it's you know, like we're just
rotating and we're giving Billy's bodies pretty bashed up and
we're just doing this. I hate that kind of language.
I'd like to see some more fear put back into
the players and that might be give us that edge
that we need. You were a young team going out
against an Aussie team that has improved, will be improved
markedly by Valentini and Skelton they'll make a huge difference.

(01:03:49):
Jake Gordon, half back. Well admit at first five a
we don't make anything in the news Hieland media last
week of old or Bucker. Luck's the old fellow at
first five eight for the Wallabies missing touch three times
from penalties. That is a disgrace and the game possibly,
in fact almost certainly changes based on what he couldn't
do there. I was stunned by that, but so yeah,

(01:04:11):
we've got a hell of a job in front of us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Well, here's the thing, Jim, consistency. And I said this
to Piney before. We've got Lester faire Nuku who's playing
at wing, who's spent the last two years and two
on playing at center. We've got Quentin to Pia who's
playing its center but he normally plays it at second five.
And we've got rico Ohani, who the last few years
has been playing at center playing at wing. So what's
that about. That's not consistent and we're not putting people

(01:04:35):
in their strongest positions.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
No, well, ricco is on the bench, but I still look,
I hear what you're saying, but I don't mind this team.
I like quint to pie I think he's played really,
really well in his little cameos off the bench. I
don't mind him at center. He's probably big enough to
cope with that. And I like the fact that Peter
Archie's going to get a run at number eight. I
think Wallace has been treading water a little bit, to

(01:04:57):
be honest. So yeah, the changes they've made on form.
I agree with Hamish that the two guys have been jobbed,
Billy Potter and Wallas City. I like it whether they
can be consistent, whether they can back up a performance.
They're the stall, the really big unknowing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Yeah, and poor al Fabian Holland who was so good
last weekend now not there, but there we have it
in our real final, Storm versus Broncos. Hamish, Yeah, look, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Going to go storm.

Speaker 21 (01:05:24):
I've got all those players in the back line with
the he doos that look like they should be cocktail waiters.
I don't know, and yet they and yet they worked
some magic. I just think up to the job. I
just think they've got the might be one too early
for a Broncos site, Yeah, yeah, quite quite interesting that
these two have finished up in the final. I didn't
see that happening, but then again, given their heritage, is

(01:05:44):
no surprise.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
I'll go Storm, Okay and Jim, yes, Storm.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I mean you know they they lost in the Grand
Final last year. I mean they've been winning, winning, winning,
They've got a winning mentality, but they weren't winning, winning
winning this season.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
No, And I love the way the Broncos came back
against Penrithla week and one on that second half. So
just to go one up against me, old mate, hamershold,
I'll back the Broncos. Ryese Walsh in a bit of
sparkling form, so let's see what he can do there.
But it should be it should be one hic of
a game. And the Ausies do it well, don't they.
They have concerts before the game, they make it look

(01:06:17):
good and all that sort of stuff, So uh, it'll be.
It'll be a fantastic who lights in a row they
We're going to have to start a bit late, hammer
shall I I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
But I thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Hey, Mish McKay and Jim Kays. Get back to bed,
sleep up and get ready.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
This will zip big hospitality is being dropped as an
nce A Level one subject, but hospitality says that is
short sighted and I agree. We'll talk to hospitality right
after the News and Sport Barry Soapa wrapping the political
week and why are we losing companies to buyouts in
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Speaker 13 (01:07:20):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Good evening to you. It is now seven minutes after six.
I'm Andrew Dickens and the Heather who's back on Monday.
On the way we will between the Barry Sofa wrapping
the political week, we'll be looking at show business. We'll
talk to Oliver Amanda. Because the New Zealand X, the
ins and X keeps losing companies overseas to bias, it
means there's less companies for us to invest in. But
first let's talk education. In the hospital sector is worried

(01:07:42):
that the new NCEA curriculum will make staffing shortages worse.
So the Hospitality New Zealand has written to Education Minister
Erica Stamford and asked her to reinstate hospitality as a
year eleven subjects for form if you will. Under the
new plans, students can only study hospitality in years twelve

(01:08:04):
and thirteen. But the industry is now worried that that
might make the subject less attractive and people won't go
into twelve and thirteen if they haven't had a taste
of it at eleven. Sam McKinnon from Hospitality in New Zealand's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
With me right now?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Hello, Sam, got it?

Speaker 9 (01:08:18):
Andrew, So I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Agree, hospitality great, great, great thing for kids to get
into a fantastic career. But what difference really does one
year make if the subject is still there in year
twelve and thirteen?

Speaker 22 (01:08:32):
Yeah, I mean, I guess from an outside looking in perspective,
maybe there's not a sense that that has any difference,
But I guess from our view, we want it to
be considered as a full coherent subject and being able
to take a level one or year eleven all the
way through to year thirteen really signals to students that

(01:08:53):
there's a key pathway through secondary school taking hospitality courses.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Okay, so what do hospitality students learn in year eleven
that they'll then miss out on if it's taken away
and they come in year twelve and thirteen.

Speaker 22 (01:09:09):
Yeah, so year eleven is teaching the key technical skills
that I guess students can take forward into careers in hospitals.
So you're looking at foundational food prep around veggies and
how to bake scones and those sorts of things, kitchen terminology,
understanding food hygiene, so there's a whole series of things
that they sort of can pick up in that.

Speaker 6 (01:09:30):
Year.

Speaker 22 (01:09:33):
We understand that that hospital courses will be split across
various courses and other departments, and so some elements from
that year eleven course might be brought into other areas,
but there's no real clarity on what that actually looks like.
And again it's not signaling that there's a coherent subject
for hospitality that you can take all the way through.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
And you warn that not having the kids coming in
in year eleven might decrease the number of people who
study hospitality, and you will warning that there will be
staff shortages. So what are these staffing shortages that you're
expecting over the next five to ten years.

Speaker 22 (01:10:09):
Yeah, Well, the data that we've got forecasts and eight percent.
I guess gap and staffing possibilities for hospitality over the
next period, and I guess the way that we see
it is that there's a disconnect between across education. So
we're being asked into the tourism roadmap piece of work
that the governments are running to increase kiwi's the number

(01:10:32):
of keyis and tourism and hospitality roles. But the start
of that talent pipeline is being undermined and disrupted. So
if we're hopeful to have more keywis and kiwis and
tourism and hospitality roles, and we will have challenges getting
migrant staff into those areas, We're going to have skill
shortages in the future. But how can we make sure

(01:10:52):
that we can get the kids of today into careers
and hospo so that they can help us fill some
of those gaps.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
And the whole thing about for Erica Stamford's changes was
actually to make education tailored to what the jobs are
more closely than the current NCAA offers with it's just
millunge of subjects. And here's thething. Hospitality work is often
a first job for school leaders who are not intending
to go on to tertiary education and then of course
there's a huge career path that goes on after that.

(01:11:19):
So this might affect that. Might it might stop them
coming out of school at going into hospitality and then
going into hotel management for instance, and then learning business skills,
et cetera.

Speaker 22 (01:11:30):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. There's a whole range of career paths
that you can take within hospitality, and you don't necessarily
need a qualification to work your way into owning your
own venue or senior management within a hospitality group or
a hotel chain. And so for us, I guess this
is often the first touch point at year eleven that

(01:11:53):
someone might have with the hospitality sector. They might discover
that they've got a real passion for it, but it's
not something that they've previously considered. Yeah, we've got some
concerns about what the flow on effect may be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
So might say, though, it's your staffing shortage, so it's
your problem. So does the industry have to shoulder more
of the work to lure students into hospitality as a
career path.

Speaker 22 (01:12:15):
Yeah, certainly. I mean we're aware that there's a perception
issue around around the careers and hospitality, and I guess
the opportunities that that hospitality presents. I guess the challenge.
The challenge back to the government is that we're being
tasked with trying to get more keys into these roles.
We can do our bit around communicating what the career

(01:12:36):
paths are, but we need to make sure that we've
actually got some help in terms of the way that
the curriculum functions to be able to bring those students through.
There's some talk around industry lead courses and those sorts
of things, but we don't have any clarity of what
that looks like under the new system. So this is
part of why we wanted hospitality at year eleven reinstated.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
So you've written to Rika stan for asking for that.
Have you had any indication that she is going to reply?
Have you had any backdoor communications? Have you heard anything.

Speaker 22 (01:13:10):
I've been in touch with the Ministry of Education team
and so we're having a discussion with them around what
this looks like and ones next steps.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Very good and I wish you are the very best
of luck. That is Sam McKinnon and he's from hospitality
in New Zealand and he has a tale about hospitality.
I was at the Rugby the other weekend and I
was sitting beside a guy who is the CEO of
a major hotel in Auckland. He had started in hospitality
from barista to cafe work, et cetera, then went on
into hotel work, then traveled the world learning the business

(01:13:40):
of hotels, then sent back to New Zealand because he
was Australian, sent back to New Zealand to help build
a hotel. So he got into construction, spent two years
building the hotel. Once the hotel was open, he now manages.
He is the CEO of that hotel. So that's major
business skills and that all came from learning how to
be a hospitality worker right from the very beginning. He

(01:14:02):
has no tertiary education. He's at the top of his field.
It is a great career path. And if you go
to a job's expo at any time, you'll sit there
and see the hospitality people sitting there with nobody in
front of them. Nobody in front of them because everyone
goes I don't want to be a barista when I
grow up. I want to be a planngur. Watching this
is when I grow up. But they don't realize just

(01:14:23):
how much career is there in hospitality? It's good stuff.
At six fourteen, Barry Sober reviews the week.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Next it's the Heather Duper See Allan Drive Full Show
podcast on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk Zippi.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
News Talks. Heb Lance says, Andrew, did that CEO get
to the top by learning to be a barista or
by having a great work ethic? Well, Lanser, you already
know the answer to that. We all know the answer
to that. The work ethic is number one no matter
what career you embark on. Seventeen minutes after second look,
who's back to review the week of politics? Arry Soaper,

(01:15:00):
Welcome back.

Speaker 12 (01:15:02):
Good afternoon again, Andrew So New.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Zealand will not be recognizing Palestine yet. No, but that
doesn't mean we won't do it in the future when
certain circumstances.

Speaker 12 (01:15:11):
All right, we will most certainly do it. The point
that Winston Peter's made in the speech was it's not
a matter of if, it's a matter of when. And
we know the what, what the what they expect from
Harmas in particular to lay down its arms. It's a
terrorist organization. But look, I can't see for the life
of me any agreement from the meeting that Ntano had

(01:15:36):
with his best bro Donald Trump this week, because you
know to expect and I'm not speaking on behalf of Harmas.
I think they are an appalling group of people or organization,
but they're not going to lay down the arms when
they see that the rule the rulers of Palestine will

(01:15:58):
be in the short term at least. Tony Blear, that's fine,
But then Tony Blear, don't forget he took Britain into
the Iraq War and there's still a lot of people
remember that, Tony Blear. That's one. Then you've got Benjamin
nittn Yahoo, the man that destroyed the country, sitting now

(01:16:18):
as a ruler of the country, along with Donald Trump
as the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Cheer No Hamas in the conversation, and so why would
they actually agree? They say that Hamas and Katar the
political wing go yeah, that's okay, But there's still some
military dudes left who are going, why would we do
this the people? You've given it all to one side
and not to us. Well, can I just note? Can
I just note that all these states, one hundred and
fifty seven of them that actually went to say, well,

(01:16:44):
let's go for a Palestinian state. It doesn't seem to
have influenced the negotiations whatsoever, not in.

Speaker 12 (01:16:49):
The slightest And you know, when you look at just
not what a couple of months ago Putin standing on
the stage with Donald Trump and them saying, you know,
there will be a resolution to the Ukraine, the Ukraine situation.
Of course, that didn't happen. And I said it wouldn't
happen at the time, and I'm sure, well not sure

(01:17:10):
because as sorry, Turkey is leaning on Hamas to do
something with this deal that's been drawn up by Trump
and his crony, and everybody would hope that they would
lay down the arms and they would return the hostages.
But I can't, for the life of me, see.

Speaker 6 (01:17:28):
Them doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
What I found amazing also is that Donald Trump learnt
with the Ukraine when he did a deal with Putin
but didn't involve Zelenski. But that doesn't work for Ukraine.
And then he's gone and done exactly the same thing
a month later, which I find strange.

Speaker 12 (01:17:40):
Mind you, he solved seven wars. Now this is the biggest,
This would be the biggest resolution of a dispute in civilization.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Okay, he told us. Okay, anyway, a dispute between Donald Jr.
And Tiffany does not count. Now now we have new
earthquake rules for New Zealand buildings. And can I just
say in ponto me there's the Lee's Institute, which has
been close forever. It's a library, it's an old building.
It's not up to earthquake standards. There hasn't been an
earthquake in Auckland since rung A Toto exploded. Let's open
that library. This is a good thing, Yes, it is

(01:18:11):
a good thing.

Speaker 12 (01:18:12):
The only people I feel really sorry for are those
who have gone out complied by what our overarching rules
for the whole of the country, which is plainly ridiculous
because Northland Auckland taken totally out of the equation on
with the Chatham Islands. Well, I've been to the Chatham
Islands and they don't have any high rises there, so

(01:18:33):
they should never have been part of it anyway. But
you know, I think for the people that put their
buildings or spent a lot of money putting their buildings right,
will now be a bit hosed off, but nevertheless their
buildings will be strong enough to resist anything. And I
think this is a big step forward. I think it's
a great move.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Actually, yeah, so do I. But those people who have
spent money, you now have an even better building than
everybody else. I hope that you actually realize all that
money in capital gains as we go forward.

Speaker 12 (01:19:04):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
So then we go trouble of the Maori Party. Of course,
they are apparently dictatorial and they're having revolt with them
and they claim that there's a reset coming up next week.

Speaker 12 (01:19:13):
Well it's interesting, isn't it, Because next week, of course
areny Kaiperat She gets sworn in as the new Toommackee
Macoldo MP, and that's what they should be celebrating, but
instead naval gazing looking at problems within their own party
and the breakaway from the head of the Hikuoi. And

(01:19:36):
that was a very successful Hikuoi on Parliament. I was
there and it was very peaceful. It was a credit
to the organizers. And the organizer, of course, was the
son of one of the current MPs who's now broken
away from the party. Used to be the vice president
of the Malori Party. He's a very articulate young man.

(01:19:58):
He's broken away. He doesn't agree with the way the
Maori Party is headed, says the leadership is dictatorial. Well,
you know, I mean that's pretty hard language for a
party that would hope, I would think to be in
cabinet after the next election and coalition with Labor.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
And then Hipkins comes out and says it doesn't look
like they want to be in government, which means that
that's not good for the left block either. That means
you might have a Labor Greens coalition, but then you
do only have the Maori Party as support, yes, and
that's that's a very dodgy thing. And so if you've
decided to vote against National and that's the other lot,
I mean, well it's not choice. It was enough to

(01:20:38):
put you off voting entirely. Yeah, Electricity reforms, they got
a report. They ignored almost all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Well they ignored this much of it.

Speaker 12 (01:20:46):
And I'll tell you it's Shane Jones. Was He deafened
me by his silence. And I know exactly the game
he's playing, because you will remember that he stood on
the stage with Sinda Dern and the Energy Minister Meghan
Wood when they canceled expiration for oil and gas with
his head in his hand. He didn't want to be

(01:21:08):
seen to be doing that again. So he clearly felt
that these reforms didn't go far enough, and indeed, in
his view, he's written a twenty page report for his leader,
Winston Peters, and that'll be an election issue next year
for the New Zealand First Party.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
The report says, don't do an LNG import plant, and
they come out and say, well, we're going to do
an LNG import plant. I just never got that at or. Meanwhile,
Christopher Luckson the continuing saga about his leadership and his
thoughts there.

Speaker 12 (01:21:35):
Well, if I do I make about Christopher Luxon, is
that people tend I think to forget this man is
actually a fairly much a rookie prime minister. I mean,
he's only been in Parliament four years, for goodness sake.
And the thing is the man came from a job
that paid several million dollars a year to one that
pays just about half a million a year. So he

(01:21:56):
didn't do it for the good of himself. He did
it because he believed that he could do better for
the country and I think he's got to be given
credit for that. And they've been through one hell of
a time in the past couple of years. So next
year they will be hoping that we will have turned
the economic corner, and I believe we probably will have.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
And my left leading friends are gonna hate me for
saying this, but to be brutally honest, Krystal Luxon is
getting better.

Speaker 12 (01:22:22):
Yes, he is exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Got to go, Marri Stober, have a great weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Now I was talking to you, Andrew.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
It is now six twenty five. Show business is next.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's here Dickens
with the Business Hour, and Mas for insurance convestments and
Kuie Saber. You're in good hands news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
That'd be.

Speaker 19 (01:22:45):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
That's indeed right. And I've got some show business news
here which does not involve Taylor Swift.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
So stay with me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
In fact, if you're the same age as me, you'll
know this well. Over the Archie comic books, Yeah, that
was a big deal when I was young. It was
the Archie comic books, and there was Uncle Scrooge obviously,
and Donald Duck, and there was Superman and Batman. The
Archie comics with the nerdy wed Heead and of course
the girls, the black head Veronica and the blonde bombshell
Betty was all very chaste. You would Archie ever get

(01:23:19):
off with Veronica or Betty? That never happened anyway. It
was a big thing for people of my age, for
people of another age. They turned it into a teen
drama on the Telly called Riverdale, which starred New Zealand
the kJ Upper as the Archie. So they had Archie,
they had the game. They were solving murders, investigating cults,
all that sort of thing. It got it kind of
bad and jumped the shark and they all went to

(01:23:39):
an alternate universe and they got magical powers. And then
the show was canceled in twenty twenty three, no kidding,
but it might be coming back from the dead. And
I mean this quite literally, because one of the original
producers of the Riverdale show has just got a reboot
green lit. The twist of Riverdale with Archie is this
time arch she will be trying to find love during

(01:24:03):
a zombie apocalypse. It's called Archiem The Afterlife. All the
characters you know and love are trying to survive an
apocalyptic version of Riverdale. Of course, they're wandering around avoiding
being bitten. Actually, most of the Archie fans aren't happy
about it all.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Riverdale was trash.

Speaker 13 (01:24:20):
Why would you bring the same creator to work on
a new Archie show. It's like you're asking for your
show to flop.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Yeah, going, And the question is will Qui actor kJ
Appa return to play Archie. You know, I had to
explain the Archi cartoons to most of the newsroom today
because they had no idea. They thought Riverdale was original
and didn't know that we used to read these little
paper cat tunes with Archie and Veronica and Betty.

Speaker 23 (01:24:45):
I like Veronica myself, whether it's Macro micro or just
playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
It's all on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickins and
for Insurance Investments and the Kiwi Safer and You're in
good hands.

Speaker 6 (01:25:04):
News talk sippy.

Speaker 8 (01:25:05):
As they will lineo.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Sever I still see the style is not so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
So welcome back, Miles has written, I'm with you. Veronica
was hot. All right, Let's get into some business. And
in business news, the NZX had a pretty rough week.
Carpet maker Bremworth anounced to takeover deal with its direct
competitor Godfrey Hurst and the remaining shares in KFC owner

(01:25:37):
restaurant brands were brought out by their majority stakeholder. All
these stakes going overseas. Both of these deals seen as
a massive bargain and it is continuing a trend of
Kiwi businesses being gobbled up by overseas companies and that
effects the number of companies that are listed on the NZNX.
Oliver Amanda is the CEO of the New Zealand Shareholders
Association and joins me right now.

Speaker 20 (01:25:57):
Hello Oliver, good afternoon, How are you good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Normally you sell like this is greeted with, you know,
with success and this is great. You know, we're selling
on and all that sort of thing. But it's not
good for the market.

Speaker 20 (01:26:10):
Well, it isn't good for the market. And certainly what
we've seen in the last couple of years is that
continuation of really what is persistent undervaluation, particularly on small
and midcaps on the INSIDEX.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
So we're selling low and we're ending out with less
companies we can invest in if we want to invest
in the Internet.

Speaker 20 (01:26:29):
Well, whether they're low or not, I mean, every situation
is different, but yes, ultimately what you're seeing now is
less and less choice for investors on the INSIDEX. And
you know, I know there's been a couple of listings
recently where we're seeing slightly that Locate Technologies will list
on the insidetx Monoucar Resources has listed very recently. But
certainly we want to see, you know, really high quality

(01:26:52):
companies continuing to come through and put their capital into
the public market.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
So why are so many New Zealand brands going up
for sale being so while some people say cheaply, is
it because New Zealand business owners aren't prepared to sort
of rock these businesses right the way to the end
of that business's life and their own life and they
wanted to get out cash up, get the batch to
the boat in the BMW.

Speaker 20 (01:27:17):
On a public market, I'd really hope that it's more
about the batch of the boat in the BMW. But
certainly that's that that could be considered a factor for
private sales, So when a company doesn't go public but
chooses to sell to a private equity partner, and that
may be a factor in that regard. But we also
do do see elements of the public market where businesses
have been unloved for a long time by markets, and
that's that's a feature of a small market that means

(01:27:38):
we haven't always got the liquidity there to create the
underlying value for the company on the market. And you know,
in the last couple of years we've seen US markets
go gangbusters. We've seen even Australia as our trade's recovered
and it's trading some pretty significant multiples over there. That
just hasn't happened on the ins and X.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
And is that another is that another city it's steat?
Is that another symptom of the skewing of our investment
market towards property and not into equities.

Speaker 20 (01:28:10):
I think that is definitely one of the factors. Yes,
but it's also global capital goes where it's cheap, and
right now New Zealand is looking relatively undervalid compared to
other markets, so it's not surprising that we're seeing a
lot of overseas interests in some of these companies. Yep,
the majority owner of Restaurant Brands has chosen this time
to actually take that company and take it private, and

(01:28:32):
they already owned seventy five percent of it. The Bremworth
deal is interesting as a smart pay and smart Pay
is a less known company. They are a key if
post provider on both sides of the Tasman in terms
of the hardware that supports that, and this meant some
commentary in Australia that suggests that's actually been a very
good price for the acquirer of that company.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
So what do all these sales mean for people who
are investing in the NZNX through their retirement funds, through
their key We say, well, what I would call passive investors.

Speaker 20 (01:29:05):
Yeah, so look at it means that that they have
less choice or less ability to invest in the New
Zealand market, or their funds have less choice and less ability.
So they might be getting a good cash return right now,
certainly the context of whether shares may have been trading
at So look does the smart pay one is a
really good example of that that the takeover op the

(01:29:27):
takeover that has removed that company from the exchange is
more than double that the prevailing prices that preceded any
of the offers being made. So it looks really good
in the short term, but in the long term, yeah,
it's reducing investor choice and ultimately it just reflects some
of that sort of regulatory and legislative sentiment that's in

(01:29:49):
favor of what does not favor public markets because the
compliance issues are significantly.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
But that's what this government is actually fighting. They want
They say we've had a culture of no they want
to change. They also say we want foreign investment into
our companies. So are they actually making the changes that
are needed.

Speaker 20 (01:30:08):
We've seen a couple of changes come through so that
the major one has been the removal of something called
prospective financial information provision and that means that a company
going for an IPO or listing on the market for
the first time doesn't need to provide a forecast for
the next sort of five years of data about how
it's going to be trading. That's something we actually supported

(01:30:29):
because we felt that some of that information wasn't always
high quality and it was really expensive issue was to produce.

Speaker 6 (01:30:35):
So you had a.

Speaker 20 (01:30:35):
Situation where the people were relying on that were relying
on the information, arguably they would have been better served
by getting better financial advice or doing their own analysis
around that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Good Oliver Amanda, I thank you for your time. Oliver
is the New Zealand Shareholders Association CEO. You can text
on ninety two ninety two. Small charge applies after Barry
and I discussing Christopher Luxen and saying that he's getting better.
Had a few texts. Someone says I'm sick of people
complaining about Luxon. He's actually holding the whole show together.
Heaven help New Zealand. If the opposition clowns get in,

(01:31:09):
they are a useless and dangerous mob. Thank you for
your text. And another text that says Luxon has kept
a coalition functioning, which can be very tricky, and he
shall get more credit for this. Plus he's got some
very capable cabinet ministers. And thank you Andrew. Good to
have you on. Well, I'm here for a short time,
not a long time. In fact, Heather is back tomorrow
and I've still got sixteen minutes to go, and I'm

(01:31:31):
still going to be sorry exactly right on Monday, which
is not tomorrow, Tomorrow, Saturday. I have sixteen minutes to go.
So I'm going to talk to Gavin Gray out of
the UK in just a few moments time.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Everything from SMS to the big corporates, the Business Hour
with Andrew Dickins and Mays for insurance investments and Kiwye
Safer You're in good hands news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
He'd be Well, it's now thirteen minutes to seven and
Gavin Gray from the UK joins me, good evening to you.
Gavin just got an analyticctually from the Guardian. That's heid
the two men, a fifty three year old and sixty
six year old killed in the terrorist attech in Manchester
at the synagogue have been named and you have details.

Speaker 24 (01:32:12):
Yes, indeed then they are both local people who had
been attending the mosque that day. There's been lots of
sort of retrospective concerns, of course overnight now here it's
early in the morning, about the safety of people attending
synagogues today but also in future, something that the government
is looking at. But of the details of what do

(01:32:35):
we know, well, we believe the attacker as a thirty
five year old man. They've named him. He's said to
be British of Syrian descent, but of course great deal
of investigations. They think he was acting alone, but the
authorities will be checking who he's been speaking to and
who he's been communicating with, and his emails and his
computer trail as it were. The victims named as Adrian Dolby,

(01:32:58):
a fifty three year old, and a sixty six year
old called Melvin Kravitz. Three others however, remain in hospital.
It's thought one was stabbed, one was hit by the
car driven by the assailants, and it's thought the third
might accidentally have been caught up in the Malay as
it were, between the police and the assailant.

Speaker 20 (01:33:17):
And so those are what we know at the moment.

Speaker 24 (01:33:19):
A great deal of interest, of course, among some of
the papers about where al Shami, this assailant came from,
and the background that he had in Syria, and also
three arrests, people still being questioned there.

Speaker 20 (01:33:34):
Now it's no we know.

Speaker 24 (01:33:36):
Now it's being declared as a terrorist incident, and that
will give police a lot longer and many more powers
with which to be able to hold them and question them.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
And the Prime Minister Kiirstama has been warning that they've
got to you as a country have got to stem
the rise of Jewish hatred in society.

Speaker 24 (01:33:53):
Yes, that's something reflected as well by other leaders, but
also by the Jewish faith themselves, rather alarmingly, many saying
this was something that they kind of knew were waiting
were going to happen. Struck, of course, on Jong Kippur,
the holiest day in the Jewish calendar, the UK's Chief
Rabbi s e from Mervis said that the attack was

(01:34:14):
a tragic result of an unrelating wave of due hatred,
and of course, only a couple of weeks ago the
UK recognized Palestine as a state. A slightly separate argument,
but all I think caught up in the same thing,
and the almost weekly demonstrations in support of Garza again
unconnected with this incident, but I think the whole sort

(01:34:35):
of feeling of it reaching a bit of a boiling
point now becomes quite clear.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Absolutely. Now to Munich we go with the airport there
has been closed and more than a dozen flights canceled
after more drones.

Speaker 24 (01:34:48):
Yes, and it led to some quite widespread disruption as
you can imagine, where seventeen flights in total were grounded,
affecting three thousand passengers. Flights diverted to nearby city. Is
no immediate confirmation again of where these drones had come from. Why, well,
because it was nighttime, so it's difficult to identify them. Also,

(01:35:08):
the airports tend to be in quite densely populated areas,
so you know, shooting them down is not an easy
decision to make in case you hurt people on the ground.
But This is, as you know, one of the latest
in a string of incidents of drones being flown over
airports in and around Europe and its borders. Many people

(01:35:28):
pointing the finger at Russia, Russia saying it's got nothing
to do with them, but we do know that twenty
Russian drones crossed into Poland last month and Russian make
thirty one jets entered Estonian airspace in recent incidents. Copenhagen
Oslo airports also affected, and some of the airports that
are being affected andrew are also military airports. The idea

(01:35:50):
they can't take off because of some drones is deeply worrying.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
It's also deeply worrying about the state of combat in
the twenty first century, where the combatants are infecteding in
some office blocks from London and they're flying a drone,
or sitting in an office block in Moscow and flying
a drone, and it is the collateral damage of civilians
rather than actual combatants who are remotely controlling these weapons.
It's a remarkable thing now. Nigel Farraj polling magnificently and

(01:36:19):
looking like a bit of a front runner. Some people
even say could form a government. But yes, his security
has been cut.

Speaker 25 (01:36:26):
Now why well, the government isn't confirming or denying that,
but Nigel Parish and his team, he of course you
might call him the architect of Brexit, the leader of
Reform UK and Upstart party that is absolutely smashing it,
as they say in the polls, is rumored to have
had his security detail cut by seventy five percent. And

(01:36:48):
why does this matter?

Speaker 24 (01:36:49):
Well, it matters because well, not just of course of
what's happened in Manchester with the attack on the synagogue,
but also more and more threats made to politicians and
indeed at the Labor Party conference, the party of government
here in the UK, they held a conference last week
in which Reform UK accused Sekir Starmer, our Prime Minister
of inciting violence against Niger Pharahs by some of what

(01:37:10):
he'd said. The Deputy Prime Minister had accused Nigrirol Paraj
of flirting with the Nazism. And you know this is
the sort of commentary which, of course then everyone steps
back and say, yes, we mustn't say these things. But
I think plenty of people think that that was perhaps
an overstep of the mark. And indeed the Deputy Prime
Minister has rode back on those comments, but nevertheless, I

(01:37:33):
think it's left Nigro Pharaoh is pretty angry the Reform
UK Party saying, look, you're firing all your missiles at us,
and quite frankly, you know you're doing exactly what you're
saying you shouldn't be doing by inciting the violence. Regarding
the response from the government, the government says we do
not decide the level of security for politicians. That is
done by a separate, independent committee. Nothing to do with us,

(01:37:57):
nothing to see here. Rumors reached me, however, to the
shortfall as it is seen of security for Nigel Pharaohs
is now being paid for privately, which I think sets
a very very dangerous president for the safety of our.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Part I totally agree. But at the same time, mister
Farage will actually use this to his benefit because he's
an expert at that. Gavin Gray out of the UK,
I thank you very much, and it is now seven
minutes to seven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
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Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
We come to the point where we leave the program
with the banging tune and the banging tune is normally
chosen by a technical director that is normally NTS Millsage,
and when he's choosing the banking tune, I call him
mixed Master Millsage, but today's technical director, and I thank
you for a great job as Libby. And I've just
asked AI, what's Libby's DJ name? And it could be
Libby Beats, Spinny, Libby DJ l Issius or Libby Tronic

(01:38:53):
or it could just be Libby Libby. What are we
going to play out with?

Speaker 17 (01:38:56):
I'm going to take us out on the title track
from Taylor's new album for Like You had to Stay?

Speaker 6 (01:39:01):
Did You had to?

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
We had to? And we've had an hour off playing
the old Taylor. But it's already massive, already huge, probably
already number one. And I thank you for your time.
Just head this back on Monday. My name is Andrew Dickens.
Thank you to Libby, Thank you always to the German,
that's what she calls you. I never did Laura, thank
you magnificence, and I'll see you when I see you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Bye bye now, I'm amma.

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Baby dog. I couldn't if I tried, so I say.

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Thank you, Thank you.

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