Full Show Podcast: 03 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper c Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected us talk.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Said b.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Welcome to the show coming up today. Matt Doucy, the
Tourism Minister, on the tourist levee being hiked to one
hundred bucks. That's up three times. Simon Bridges the Auckland
Chamber of Commerce on the fact that liquidations are up
nearly twenty percent year on year and Auckland's particularly hard hit.
And Sir Ian Taylor on what on earth he wants
to do with that waterfront museum.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
Heather dupic Allen.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
So today the government has done exactly the thing that
the tourism industry was hoping that they wouldn't do, and
they've increased the visitor levee, which is the amount that
tourists pay to come here, and it's going from thirty
five bucks to one hundred bucks, which is the high
end of what they were considering. I mean, the government
could have gone fifty bucks, could have gone seventy bucks.
In fact, they could have just have left it at
thirty five bucks if they wanted to, but they went

(00:54):
full noise to one. Now, in principle, I'm on board
with this. I've long thought and it's not you know,
I'm not alone in thinking this. I think a lot
of us think this, that tourists need to pay a
little bit more for the stuff that they're using here,
because if they're not paying more for it, we're paying
for it for them, right, We're subsidizing them. I mean,
how long have we talked about those poor punters who

(01:15):
live in Queenstown who have to pay for the roads
that the tourists jam up. They pay for the water
infrastructure that tourism gets to use so tourists have a
nice time. They pay for the public toilets that the
tourists use. The list goes on, right, and it's not
fair on ratepayers in Queenstown and frankly anywhere else in
this country where tourists like to go, who are essentially
subsidizing an industry. But while I'm on board with this

(01:39):
in principle, I really think the timing is massively often
this is the wrong time to be doing this. For
some reason, tourists are not coming back to New Zealand
like we thought that they would five years on from COVID,
and I'm counting it from COVID really starting back in
twenty nineteen, five years on, our tourism industry numbers are
only back to about eighty percent, So where we used
to have five, we've only got four. We do not

(02:00):
know when they're going to get back to one hundred percent.
We can't say Australia knows, but they're going to be
there in three months time. But for some reason we're lagging.
It appears our attractiveness as a tourism destination has deteriorated,
and it's perplexing even the experts can't quite put their
finger on why people don't want to come to New
Zealand quite in the same numbers. And part of the
problem is China is not flying like it used to.

(02:22):
And the other problem will likely be that this is
not in the future at least that this is not
the only cost that the government has lumped on tourists.
I mean it just last month it increased the cost
of tourists getting a visa to come here. So now
you're talking about people in places like China, if they
were to bring a family of five costing two two
hundred dollars just for the paperwork before they even get here,

(02:42):
before they even jump on the plane, and they've already
shelled out twy two hundred dollars. I don't think making
New Zealand more expensive right now while we're struggling to
recover is a smart idea, especially because we really need
to recover. We are in our third recession in two years.
We need the money. Frankly, this feels like a short
sighted money grabbed by the government. They're trying to balance
the government's box and it's shortsighted because it's going to yes, today,

(03:04):
make the government's books look better, but it's not going
to bring in the tourists tomorrow and that hurts us
all in the end. So yes on principle, but timing
is way off. Heather do for is the text number,
standard text fees apply and as I say, Matt Doocy
is with us on that after five o'clock now an
increasing number of couples are ending their marriages later in life.
So it turns out, according to stats New Zealand data,

(03:27):
almost forty percent of divorces are involving people who are
fifty years plus. Divorce lawyer at Shortland Chambers, Jeremy Sutton.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
Is with us now, he Jeremy, how are you doing?
I may say it best in chambers?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (03:41):
Sorry, which which chambers are best?

Speaker 6 (03:44):
In chambers? Chamber, it's in the same boarding.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
We'll say it as many times as we can, Jeremy,
to undo the damage we've just done. So Bastian Chambers,
thank you for that listening. You're seeing this as well
as you seeing older people getting divorces.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
Yeah, yeah, we are, because once the last child has
left home, that's often a catalyst hither to see if
I've got the same interest or not. And one party
is often wanting to continue working in some way so
as a consultant, while the other party is happy to

(04:20):
do other things, maybe travel, will maybe spend time with family.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Is it also sometimes that the last kid leaves and
then you're stuck looking at that person. You're like, oh,
I stopped liking you ages ago.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
Well, it certainly means you've got to spend more time together,
you know. It just it's tough, but it's a reality.
I mean for a lot of people, perhaps they saying,
well the house is too big now either, you know,
we've got to downside to an apartment and often with
house prices over the years being good and hev saves

(04:54):
as well. People have have often got enough money to
have one house each. They can go alone, they can
be independent. And the other thing is technology makes it
easy for people, doesn't It makes it easy to book travel,
makes it easy to meet someone else. So that's a
factor as well. I think it's just more life is

(05:15):
more flexible, but probably more difficult.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Jeremy. I saw somebody saying today that women are often
the initiators of this divorce when you're in the fifty
plus category, are you seeing that.

Speaker 6 (05:30):
Well, they probably are, but it's not necessarily because of
an affair. It's often that they just, you know, they've
got the confidence to be able to do something you
know now and perhaps go overseas that they couldn't do before.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
I don't want to be too unkind to men, but
how much of it is also because women carry the
mental load and the emotional load in a relationship and
they just get a little bit naffed off. And by
the time you're in your fifties, like you actually have
had the chance to grow up and you know, clean
the bathroom after yourself, you just get tired of it.
Is it possibly that.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
There could be an aspect of that perhaps have had
the traditional roles in the relationship. Yeah, and you've thought
that people might change and they haven't changed, and they
just want to, you know, do something different, which women
now really are more able to, aren't they. They've got that,
you know, they've got that. They've got that ability perhaps

(06:33):
to you know, work work part time, to travel to
see other family members, to see children. Yeah, and perhaps
some of them have just had enough of what's happened
during all those times. I mean the average marriage is
about fifteen years, all the late about fifteen years, so
you know that means that people were in their sort

(06:54):
of mid to late forties onwards. We see a lot
of people who are in their fifties and sixties. Yeah,
and they, you know, they have just on different paths.
I mean, for example, you can go on your Airbnb now,
can't you are here that you know, you can go
to New York for a month now on an Airbnb.

(07:16):
You couldn't do that before. So there are just these
tools that you have to enable you to travel. And
we live longer than we lived before. I mean, people
are living much much longer. So they've just got those
those tools to be able to do that.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yeah, interesting stuff, Jeremy, thank you very much. Lucrative business
for you. I'd imagine Jeremy Sutton of Bastian Chambers, divorce
lawyer there. I can't tell you the number of there's
a lot of stories in the UK papers at the moment.
They've obviously picked up on it. And I can't tell you
the number of stories I'm reading in the UK papers
about women who like, yeah, I got a divorce, that
was Arthur, and the number of them who say things

(07:58):
like I just had one too many fights about the
dishwasher and I thought I don't need to spend my
life having a fight about the dishwasher. Like, listen, guys,
listen to me. You want to keep that marriage, do
your fair share, and when you think you're doing your
fair share, do more because you're still not. You think
you are, but you're not, and I'll tell you are.
It grinds a woman down after a while, like grinds

(08:19):
a woman down. Now, it looks like both Israel and
the US across with the UK. And this shouldn't come
as any surprise, certainly from Israel, but they're both crossed
with the UK. For suspending those arms export licenses to Israel.
Israelis are calling it a reward for Hamas As In basically,
the UK is rewarding Hamas for executing those six hostages
at the when you weakend, because they shoot six people

(08:40):
in the head and then they get they get to
like a treat from Oh yeah, the UK comes to
help them out. It does seem a little bit messed up.
Apparently the US is also not happy with the UK
on the down low, probably because there's a sort of
like fracturing in the United Front there. But publicly obviously
the US is saying absolutely fine. But I think don't
believe that. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c
Allen Drive with one New zealand one giant leaf for
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downloaded today R eighteen bed responsibly Hither.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
I've got one word, menopause.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Mauz.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
You're probably right. It does happen around about hither women
over fifty livre as a result of menopause. I believe Leon,
You're probably right. I'm not gonna lie with me right now.
At nineteen past fours. Darcy Watergrave, sports talk host. Hey, dars, men,
don't don't what.

Speaker 8 (09:31):
Do you mean, don't don don't get involved in it.
Don't woman over the age of fifty leave because of men.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, menopause not. I'm just trying to save you from
getting involved in this conversation thing. Hey, I see the
South African rugby bosses apologized for what happened.

Speaker 8 (09:48):
Well, why.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
I'm with you. Own it, bro own it. It was awesome.

Speaker 8 (09:54):
You know there was a mistake of this and that
there was a technical issue and oh there was a
wardrobe malfunction and I who cares?

Speaker 4 (10:03):
I mean, somebody sucked at their job, right because he
said that the minute of the crowd cheered presumably for
the plane, then somebody just set off the pirate technics.
Like if you're waiting for a crowd cheer as your
look at the they're still doing the hawker, look at.

Speaker 8 (10:16):
That, look at what's going on if you're going to it.
But did that really I you know, teacup storms there
we go. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Did you enjoy it?

Speaker 8 (10:27):
It's all black hawker and they do it for themselves,
they don't do it for anybody else. And if the
crowd were there and wanted to see it, and maybe
a bit of myth. But the energy around the stadium,
explosions and planes and screaming rampant South African fans, what
a cacophony, crazy being there. I don't know. I don't
watch it. I got up to watch the game.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Did you not look at the hacker? Well, no, I
don't want to watch the game. It just admitted the
same thing to me yesterday.

Speaker 9 (10:58):
But it's it's it's in my house.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Everybody has to stare at the thing. Really, it's intense.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
Yeah, I want to watch the game. I'm really interesting.
Some of the halftime analysis are fast forward through that too.
If I can get.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
So me and more. Two wants to go from one
world title to three.

Speaker 8 (11:21):
She's got two, hasn't she got two? She wants to
pick up another four to three? Doesn't you want to
go to five? Does you want every strap there is?
I mean, the ring's not a belt, So she wants
a few more straps she's got, She wants everything. She's
greedy and good honor.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Good enough to do it.

Speaker 9 (11:34):
Yeah, absolutely she is.

Speaker 8 (11:36):
I think it's really good news for her to keep active,
More than anything else I think good boxes need to
be active. They need to be in the ring, punching
people and avoiding punches in coming. That's one of the
best stories around me and Mattu what she's gone through.
Have you heard the Between two Beers podcast?

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Tell me about it.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
Take a listen to that with me and and just
what she's gone through. Their long form podcast. Yeah, they're
one and a half two two and a half hours.
They're very, very long, but they do a really good job.
Shamus and Stephen great broadcasting. I've heard some stunning stories
because they've got time to actually spread and talk and
not get a five minute interview.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Do you want to just explain what you've done to
your face?

Speaker 8 (12:20):
You little concerned about my mustache? Well, I had a beard, yes,
and then on Friday I was shaving, and I thought
I know what to do. It was, I'll shave a big, dirty,
frank Zeppa mustache right down there and went down to
it out there.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, and then on half halfway down your chin.

Speaker 8 (12:37):
Yeah. And then on Sundays, I don't like that anymore,
so I kind of thought I'd go for more of
a cop slug, so I shaved their handlebars.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
So now I've just got you've got a flavors over that.
It's quite large.

Speaker 8 (12:47):
Well I'm not quite sure.

Speaker 9 (12:48):
Trust me.

Speaker 8 (12:49):
By the end of the week it'll be gone. I
just ten on slowly hacking into it.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
I think you should go with it. I think it
looks really good.

Speaker 8 (12:54):
Well just the mustache or the whole flavor as well
look cool. Yeah, but I'm sick of the smell of
my lunch and my mustache. Realize it's nasty.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Do you have a coffee and then still smell and
milk a few hours later?

Speaker 8 (13:10):
Oh man, stop drinking coffee. I stink of coffee regardless
it comes out of my pause.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Thanks Darcy, that's illuminating. I appreciate that. That's Darcy water
Grave Sports.

Speaker 8 (13:21):
Take your calls on that Harker as well.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
Time.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, get into it, go on. It was awesome. He'll
be back at seven four twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper Cy
Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
use doalk.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
Sa'd be here.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
The water is the female equivalent of being a misogynist,
because whatever it is, you were just that with your dishwasher.
Comments Et cetera. Graham, Actually I can answer that question
for you because I like to know what I am.
A messandrist. So if you hate on men, you're a meszandrast.
And look, Graham, if you don't want me to be
a misxandrist, just empty the dishwasher. It's quite simple. Fold
your own washing, clean the toilet. It's really simple. And

(14:01):
then you will find that the woman in your life
suddenly goes from being a missandrast to your lover.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Anyway, that's lost the.

Speaker 7 (14:08):
Other miss one that goes around here, the miss anthrope
of someone who just doesn't like people generally. So if
you just kind of want to hate everybody one gender,
both people who are non gender, that's.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
All irritating people. Yeah, then you're a misanthrope. And that's
the last time we're going to use the word lover
in that context on this show. It is henceforth band
because yuck. No one needs to think about that anyway.
Listen all the Auckland f C Club, the football club
in Auckland, has just signed an all white called Nando Pinnaka.
This guy is reportedly the ninth all white to join

(14:41):
Auckland f C, which for this upcoming A League season,
which I think tells you that this club is going
to be reasonably well. I'm thinking just based on the
strength of this nine all whites, these guys have got
to be reasonably good. And it's not to say that
the all whites are like super awesome or anything like that,
but you know, in terms of the A League, let's
see how they go. I'm starting feel a bit of
confidence here. Sam Emory's going to be with us out

(15:02):
of Australia. Shortly a bunch of bushwalkers, including kiddies, have
been rescued from a mountain in Tasmania. Heather in the
McKenzie Country in South Canterbury. We had an increase in
tourism over the summer in the autumn months and we
had a twenty seven percent increase in their spending. I
don't mind less tourists. If they're spending more, that's from Ali.
That's a fair point and that's probably what the government
is trying to do is get rid of the kind

(15:24):
of like the stinky old freedom campers and just get
the rich guys in. And maybe that's not that bad.
Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first. Heather duple c
Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and
news talk as they'd be them.

Speaker 10 (15:41):
From me out of the double shot of Wiston.

Speaker 9 (15:43):
They on me Nail's Street.

Speaker 10 (15:46):
There's a party downtown near Fair Street.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Everybody had bargetti. Barry Sope is going to be at
us in ten minutes. Sam Emory out of Australia is
standing by on why the tourists don't want to come
to New Zealand. Somebody has this is Louise's got a theory.
My guess is it's the natural wearing out of the
Peter Jackson phenomenon. We need a block another blockbuster scenery movie.
Maybe yeah, maybe, I mean you might be onto something
because we did milk that for about twenty years. It

(16:12):
was pretty good for us. Matt Deucy's going to be
with us after five o'clock explained why he's putting up
the money now of the cost of coming here now. Liquidations,
by the way, just an indication of how much we
actually need the tourists because the economy is stuffed. Liquidations
are up nineteen percent year on year. This is according
to data out from Centrix. They are up across most regions,
but really the place that's been the hardest hatter is

(16:33):
Auckland and really spiked for Auckland between April and June
this year. So hopefully that means that if it's spiked
then that hopefully it's not so bad now fingers crossed.
I'm not convincing even myself, frankly, we'll have a chat
to Simon Bridges, the Auckland Business Chamber of CEO's ten
plus five. And also also if you've been wondering, because
we'll be talking a fair bit on the show about

(16:55):
how long the kiddy should be on the devices and stuff.
We've talked about the fact that they shouldn't be and
that there's be limits, but what is the limit? I've
got I've got some tips for you. Actually will deal
with it in this half hour. It's twenty four away
from five.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
George Clooney has praised Joe Biden for following his advice
and stepping down after one term. Clooney was a major
donor to the Democratic Party and he was obviously the
guy who wrote that old head in The New York
Times calling on Biden to drop out at the election.
George was asked about it at a press conference at
the Venice Film Festival.

Speaker 11 (17:26):
The person who should be applied is the president who
did the most selfless thing that anybody's done since George Washington.
And that's true, and so anybody. All the machinations that
guard us there, none of that's going to be remembered,
and it shouldn't be.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
The Aussie federal government is reportedly pushing ahead with plans
to restrict gambling advertising. Sky News political editor Andrew Klannell
has the Scoop.

Speaker 12 (17:51):
There would be a partial ban on TV gambling advertising
within two years, and an almost immediate online gambling ban
in terms of ads on social media and the like,
under the gambling reforms set to be taken to federal Cabinet.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
And finally, yeah, do you remember that four year old
who accidentally smashed the three thy, five hundred year old
jar at a museum in Israel. Well, the museum has
rewarded him, has invited him and his siblings and his
parents and for a special visit. They were all shown
all of the advanced tech that experts are using to
restore the jar, and the museum thinks it will all
be fixed up in just a matter of weeks.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Sam Emriosi correspondents with US Sam. Hello, so the current
account deficit's got a bit worseing.

Speaker 13 (18:44):
Yeah, I think I heard it described as just a
very faint heartbeat. The economy is always something that the
Coalition loves to tell voters that labor has struggled to
manage it in previous governments, but of course also in
this current government. Treasurer Jin Charmers has again emphasized their
economic figures due out tomorrow. You know, they're showing soft growth.

(19:08):
Analysts are tipping the numbers could be below one percent,
which would be the weakest to have since late twenty twenty.
The opposition says the government only seem to blame and
attack the Reserve Bank for the economy, and you know,
not often do we all come out and agree with
the opposition in government. But to be honest, we haven't
heard much more from Jim Charmers. He says it's not

(19:31):
new language and shouldn't be controversial for the Treasurer to
say these things, you know about global uncertainty and higher
interest rates, price pressures that we're all dealing with, but
we haven't heard anything else since they've been in government.
And I think it's fair to say that Australians, especially,
you know, knowing that we are really starting to enter
that sort of pre election pre campaign, if you could

(19:53):
call it that, we just want to start hearing some policies,
some action, some change.

Speaker 14 (19:58):
You know, how are we.

Speaker 13 (19:59):
Actually going to rather than I think we all fairly
well understand now about what pressures are on our economy
and why we're finding it so much harder.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Samson, talk to me about this gambling ad ban. Can
they actually ban online ads?

Speaker 14 (20:13):
Well, they can certainly put a restriction on it.

Speaker 13 (20:16):
They can certainly put it's almost like a geo fence
or a geo lock on these types of things, so
it will be extremely hard to police, I believe, Heather,
but they can put these bands in place. It was
interesting hearing Andrew Clenell there obviously with the latest on
it in terms of the fact that it could almost
be an immediate ban with these online gambling ads, but

(20:37):
also the fact that they've sort of come a bit
clearer now in terms of what's going to happen on
the more regular.

Speaker 14 (20:43):
Mainstay broadcasting like TV. Advertising. Part of the issue for those.

Speaker 13 (20:49):
Sorts of things are obviously previously signed contracts, you know,
that still have one, two three years left in them
that need to be paid out, so that the government's
using that as a reason as to why we weren't
necessarily see them disappear on the lights of TV and radio.
But I mean it's sort of similar to the smoking bands,
and you know, one day maybe in the alcohol bands

(21:10):
that we might see follow suit where you know, it's
just strange that these type this type of advertising is
still so free.

Speaker 14 (21:19):
And easy to access for all ages, whether you're online
or offline.

Speaker 13 (21:24):
I think in this day and age, it's strange that
it's still so free and easier for coming from a
country like Australia that has spent so much money into things.
You know, one of the first countries in the world
to bring in that playing packaging cigarettes and you know
those I think most people sort of thought this is
just a waste of money and time.

Speaker 14 (21:42):
But next thing, you know, we have a generation of.

Speaker 13 (21:44):
Kids who weren't smoking and actually hadn't been addicted to nicotine.

Speaker 14 (21:50):
Now they've got the weight problem to deal with on
that side of things.

Speaker 13 (21:53):
So you know, we are our worst enemy in these
sort of situations because we need the money. What's needed
money The broadcast people need the money from these advertising.

Speaker 14 (22:04):
But there's got to be a better way to do it.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
How long were these people up the mountain?

Speaker 14 (22:10):
Too long?

Speaker 13 (22:11):
And as the Premier of Tasmania said, why do we
have to save people from stupidity? Which I thought was
an interesting way for a premier to come out and
say it. But they were up there overnight. They two
separate groups. Wasn't just one group, please say? The first
group of thirteen called about half us four yesterday afternoon

(22:31):
and council.

Speaker 14 (22:32):
Staff actually helping them rescue.

Speaker 13 (22:34):
As they were coming back down, they noticed another group
of people around eleven hundred feet were still on the mountain.
Apparently heather it was minus three, but it felt like
minus twenty two at that time. And it was a
weird rescue where it was local government sees and local
communities who had to come and save these people. And

(22:56):
the premier has come out again and said we cannot
afford to have any resources to verted simply because of people.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Stupid Sam, it's good to talk to you, mate, thank
you so much. Look after yourself that Sam Emory Australia corresponds. Okay,
so here we go. This is how long the kiddy
should be on the devices?

Speaker 15 (23:09):
Right.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
The Swedish health authorities have for the first time ever
put out of guidance for how long the kids should
be spending on these devices. They reckon if your child
is under two, no screens whatsoever. They should not be
exposed to screens at all. If the child is between
two and five years old, so in that two to
going school category, they should be limited to a maximum
of one hour, which frankly I think is generous. So

(23:34):
I would be going I don't know why. Maybe my
friend said this to me one time and now I
believe it. But I would have thought forty forty five minutes.
It's kind of what you want to be aiming at.
But anyway, apparently you've got an hour. If they are
between six years old and twelve years old, the limit
is two hours. Thirteen years old to the end of
school the limit is three hours. Now that is massively

(23:55):
down on what kids in Sweden are doing them. Some
teenagers are apparently seven spending up to seven hours day
on the screen, which completely bonkers. Some nine to twelve
year olds are spending four hours a day on the screen.
And they also say, and this is obviously every parent
knows this. Once they're on the screen, they have to
talk to you, and you have to talk to them
about what it is that they're looking at. Because looking

(24:15):
at the screen is one problem. Looking at porn on
the screen is a whole level of something else that
you're dealing with.

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Speaker 4 (24:26):
Barrising your political correspondence with us, Barry, Hello, good afternoon, Heather.
Hiking the tourism levy is clearly just a money grab
to make the books balance a little bit better.

Speaker 9 (24:34):
Right, Well, it's incredible, isn't it. Well it shouldn't be,
because the levey goes towards they tell us, maintaining public
services are utilized by tourists, and you know conservation.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
The tracks and LOEU of given doc more money.

Speaker 9 (24:49):
Yes, yes, so essentially those at the pit face of
tourism in this country. The chief executive of the tourism
industry said that modeling had found the increase could result
in forty eight thousand fewer tourists coming to this country.

(25:10):
The board, the Airline Board of Representatives, they say that
tourism basically is soft in this country and we're lagging
behind the Asia Pacific region. So it's all about I
understand like you here, they said, you're editorial. I understand
the levee going up because I think tourists should be
paying a bit more, although I did look at some

(25:31):
countries overseas. If you take the UK, for example, the
levee to enter the UK is ten pound and that
lasts for two years. If you come back you don't
have to pay it again.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
And ours is one hundred.

Speaker 9 (25:43):
And don't forget that we're a departure tax as well
from this country, so you pay for the privilege of
leaving the country. That's been on the box for a
long time. That's only twenty five bucks. But nevertheless, it
is another cost that goes on to tourists, usually though
through the is so you don't notice that one as much,
but it's still there.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
How much of a bollocking did Judy give Shane?

Speaker 9 (26:08):
You imagine sitting across the table from Shane Jones and saying, look, Shane,
you shouldn't have said that. It's not the sort of
thing that we.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Would If I imagine this between Judith Collins and Shane Jones,
which frankly I do enjoy imagining, I feel like I
feel like she is one of the few people that
he would sit down and take it from.

Speaker 9 (26:27):
I don't know though. I mean, Judith Collins has got
a very good sense of humor as well, and.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
You know, be a little scary.

Speaker 9 (26:35):
She can't be scary. But when you look at Justice
Sheryl glynnon the High Court Judge Sits and Wellington, she
was a member of a communist organization in her youth,
in the young days, and that's probably common to many
of us that you know, we had different leanings to
what we may have to do something you need to

(26:56):
tell us, well, I was probably much more left wing
than I am today.

Speaker 10 (27:00):
But there you go.

Speaker 9 (27:01):
But Shane Jones, it's his sixty fifth birthday today, so
you can wish him happy birthday. He said when he
was talking about the apology, he said, I can thank
Winston Peters for the gold card. So there was a
bit of politics in there, and he said he was
a bit more circumspect when it came to the judge.

(27:22):
He said he was born under the moon, so maybe
he was howling at it, which was one way of
sort of talking around it. But it was a contrite
Jones who says he's now been schooled by Judith Collins
and he accepts it.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
I can't walk it back. I said it.

Speaker 16 (27:40):
I think what the Attorney General reminded me, because I'm
a fairly voluble character. Is there everything that's recorded said
by a minister in formal meetings as a reflection on
cabinet and she wants to see an improvement.

Speaker 9 (27:55):
Well, we'll see. We'll see Jonesy being much more low
key in the house not. And then his boss, Winston Peters,
though he was a little less contritor, might say, even
though he agreed Colins had to have a word with
his voluble minister, Judith is right.

Speaker 17 (28:12):
But then Shane, he was talking about someone's past when
they were young, when they belonged to a communist organization.
You know, the question is is that a private to
a line against someone who at a certain age is
more mature, and whether that is an answerable question or not,
it should not have been said in trade had decide
with Judith in that matter. It's got said to say,

(28:33):
and I know how frustrating it is, but frankly, the
separation between the courts and politext is a critical part
to our democracy.

Speaker 9 (28:41):
It is the key to ware democracy. Separation between the
judiciary and it's true and the Parliament.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Now the Greens are pretty upset with Simon about what
he said about the speed bumps right because he said
that he was defunding speed bumps hallelujah to the tune
of twelve million bucks, based on the fact that he
got of twenty four and they cost five hundred sow
each exactly, and that's a little that's a little sneaky for.

Speaker 9 (29:05):
A it it's stretching.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
There are two that cost that much, but the rest
of them are considerably cheaper.

Speaker 9 (29:11):
There was a project in Auckland's grain that cost four
hundred and ninety thousand dollars for essentially a speed bump,
but it was traffic management.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
That it doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 9 (29:25):
That's not it costs well, yes it is, but it's
not the building of the actual bump itself. It was
co funded though by Auckland Transport, which is the rate
power of Auckland and the Transport Agency. The other bumps
that have been put in place, they are estimated to
cost around nineteen to thirty one thousand dollars each. Now

(29:49):
the Transport Agency they provided a list of thirty two
speed bumps that had been canceled under this government, but
they didn't say what the cost was. Unfortunately, spokesman Brown
they couldn't give any evidence of the savings, but they
stood by the minister's statement. Honestly, I think stretching a

(30:10):
point that same in can do.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
No wrong because he is golden balls golden.

Speaker 9 (30:15):
I think he was described this morning by one of
Mike Hostcars.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
That would be because because I mentioned it on their
last night, because a caucus, as somebody had told me,
that's isn't it caucus? How good is that?

Speaker 15 (30:27):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Thank you, Barry. I appreciated this barrier so persing. Your
little correspondent had away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Digging into the issues that affect you the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 18 (30:36):
I think New Zealanders are sick and tired of the
amount of money going into cycle ways.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Have you got evidence of that or not?

Speaker 19 (30:43):
A wee campaigned on the building and maintaining uploading networks.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
You've got you guys wanted to look for some coal
or with some oil and burnitt.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
That's a that's an insurmountable gap, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (30:53):
Well, Look, I would just invite those parties on the
other side to come join me in.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
The real world.

Speaker 10 (30:59):
Hearing the real well.

Speaker 21 (31:03):
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Speaker 4 (31:08):
B Hither I went to a council meeting for installing
a pedestrian crossing. The local board had six hundred thousand
dollars to spend on raised crossings and they were trying
to decide which two crossings to install. Two These were
just on regular north shore roads and they could only
afford two crossings with six hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, there
you go, there's your problem. Oh Lord, here we go.

(31:29):
I mean, honestly, this tests my patients. Never mind a
waterfront stadium, now we're talking about a waterfront museum. I mean, seriously,
who thought this is an idea that's come from Sir
Bob Harvey and Sir Ian Taylor. They've decided that we
basically need to go for the equivalent the Auckland equivalent
of the Sydney Opera House. Who on what planet thought?

(31:50):
M Yeah, we just can't get a waterfront stadium across
the line. But I know what people are gonna love more,
a waterfront museum.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Who thought that?

Speaker 21 (31:57):
Have you?

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Do you realize it's New Zealand, like the cure is
like way down there. We're rugby over culture every single day.
I don't know, like and and the right payer has
to pay for it. Yeah, and the right pay has
to pay for It's another stupid idea. But anyway, we're
going to talk to Ian Taylor about it. I'm not
going to hide for feelings on it. I'm just going
to be completely honest with him. This is just a
dumb idea wasting everybody's time. But anyway, we'll give him

(32:18):
an opportunity. We'll give him an opportunity to defend it
before we totally just come rain down on it, you know,
and really just spoil the party for him, not that
he cares what I think. If he's going to come
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(32:40):
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Speaker 1 (33:24):
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Let's get connected a news talk.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
As they'd be afternoon. International tourists will have to pay
one hundred bucks to enter the country from next month.
The government's announced today. It is more than tripling the
international visitor levy, which was previously thirty five dollars. The
tourism industry is really disappointed by the move. And Matt
Doosey is the Minister for Tourism and Hospitality, Hammatt Hi
Heather mad are you sure this is a good idea?

Speaker 22 (33:58):
Yeah, we want to grow value of international tourism. We
want to support conservation. We've heard loud and clear from
the public consultation ninety three percent of over eleven hundred
submitters wanted the international visitor levy to increase, and two
thirds of them wanted it to increase to one hundred dollars.

(34:19):
When you think about that one hundred dollars, that is
only around two percent of what an international tourists will
spend on their trip. It's comparative to Australia and the
United Kingdom. And we want to support tourism and conservation
through this levee.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
And so what about when you because you guys have
just put up the visit of vis visit of visa
cost as well. When you chuck that together, where do
we sit in terms of where other countries will compare
ourselves to.

Speaker 22 (34:45):
Well, when you look at the international visitor levy, around
sixty percent of international tourists pay that Australia and Pacific
Island visitors.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Yeah, but that's not what I'm asking you. So what
I'm saying is just last month you put up the
visit the visa costs as well, right, So check the
two of them together, the visit of visa costs plus
the IVL and how competitive are we now internationally?

Speaker 22 (35:08):
Well, when you look at the increase of Erica Stanford,
the Immigration Minister's visitor visas, that was for a smaller
group of countries because most countries visiting New Zealand are
visa waiver. What we want to do is shift some
of the costs from the taxpayer to the tourists. When
you look at the advice that I've received, there is

(35:29):
no evidence that the increase will significantly impact on tourism numbers.
In fact, I'm around the country most weeks either and
most tourists operators are telling me that they're getting a
higher yield from their product. And they're actually delivering a
higher quality experience. So we want to grow tourism. The
government's got an ambitious target to double exports.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Tourism is a big.

Speaker 22 (35:51):
Part of that, and I want to grow the value
of international tourism with social license.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
So it looks to me like if you're paying the
IVL plus the visit of visa, right, and you got
a family of five, you're paying twenty two hundred bucks
before you even land in the country. Would Canada charge that,
would Australia charge it?

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Or is it just us?

Speaker 22 (36:08):
Well, there is a range of prices that people pay
when they travel to a range of countries. Ultimately people
will make that choice. We are a premium destination.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Increasingly, but at least so, And this is why what
I'm trying to get to, Matt, is that we are
losing our attractiveness. According to Forsyth, bar as a destination. Right,
So if increasingly people do not really want to come here,
is it the right thing to do to make it
more expensive?

Speaker 22 (36:34):
Well, I would disagree with that assumption and the framing.
No evidence that the officials provided show there would be
a significant impact on tourism numbers. And like I say,
When I talk to the tourism operators, they are telling
me that they are getting a high yielding product. We
want to grow international tourism. I've set tourism an ambitious target.

(36:58):
I've growing by five billion dollars over the next format.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Tell me what is our internet, What is our recovery
looking like? Post COVID? Where are we sitting in terms
of tourism in terms of where we were pre COVID?

Speaker 22 (37:08):
When you look at tourism numbers, we're at around eighty two.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Percent, okay, And where's Australia.

Speaker 22 (37:16):
Are there about eighty four or eighty five percent?

Speaker 4 (37:19):
They will be fully recovered by the end of the year.
When are we fully recovered?

Speaker 22 (37:23):
But what we're seeing heather when you go around the country.
If you look at the hawks, baos and recently when
you look at the value of international tourism, they're forty
percent above twenty nineteen levels. West coast of the South
Island they're about fifteen.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Are you saying the people coming over now we have
fewer of them, but they're spending more.

Speaker 22 (37:42):
That's right. That's why tourism operators are saying they're having
a higher yield from their product and delivering a higher
quality product as well. We are seeing a lot of
growth coming out of the Chinese market. I think the
figures I saw in the last twelve months because they
were slow to return, increased by three hundred and forty percent.
And what we're also seeing is less of the low

(38:05):
value bus travelers, more of the higher value independent Chinese market,
which our tourism operators are responding to. And that's why
I say that ultimately this levy will be reinvested into
both tourism pressures but also the conservation estates which a
large part of people travel to New Zealand four, so

(38:28):
we'll be delivering a better product.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
Matt, thank you for you to I'm really appreciate it.
That's Matt Doocy, Minister for Tourism and Hospitality. Heather duper
see Allen liquidations are up nineteen percent year on year
according to new data from Centric SO, liquidations are rising
across most of the regions. In Auckland, spiite sharply in
the second quarter of this year. Auckland Business Chamber CEO
Simon Bridges is with us. Now, hey, Simon, Hey get

(38:50):
a Heather. Does that mean Auckland has been the hardest hit.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Oh, I think it probably does.

Speaker 23 (38:54):
And I think you know what's very interesting to me
and talking of some liquid etters about this day is
just a massive sea sawing actually from my ID so
from hugely lenient letting everything go in COVID probably the
staunchest enforcement around gstnpay areas that we've seen the very
long time. It's but like the that the rpn z's

(39:15):
ocr story if you like, very like very dubbish, then.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Hugely hawkish and start doing this at the start of
this year.

Speaker 23 (39:25):
Is the feedback and the clear majority of the liquidations
are by our ird. If you want to contrast it
with receiverships where you're talking about you know, fundamentally banks
and finance companies, it's not it's a non statutory process. Really,
they've been much more pragmatic. And consequently the numbers that
we're seeing and know where near as many, and I

(39:45):
suppose the banks are saying, well, actually, if we can,
if we can hold off doing this and the business survives,
I'd rather have seventy percent of something than destroy the
value of the company. So I think there is that
there's a bit of a question here. Do we need
to see us somewhat more pragmatic ird rather than this
massive sea sawing.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
What do you put that down to, is this Nikola
Willis telling them to chase the tax dollars.

Speaker 23 (40:09):
Well, funnily enough, I was with her today and we're
talking to business and taking the pulse. I don't think
so this came up at a level. I think it's
probably a movement from COVID settings where they kind of
like the RBNZ ed say, realized they overdid it one
way and they're coming back and hard the other way.
But I think my message would be, you know what,

(40:31):
actually take a bit of pragmatism here a business that
over time has earned a few more dollars then it's
spent as a business worth having in New Zealand and
it's been tough, but they can come back and they
can be productive businesses in Auckland and around New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Really interesting take on that, Simon. Thank you for that
insight that. Simon Bridge's CEO of Auckland Business Chamber. We'll
have a chat to Nicola Willis. She's on the show
obviously six o'clock on Monday regularly, so we'll talk to
her about that next week.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Heather duper sy Ellen.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
So we've all noticed it, right. The food bills have
gone up in the last few years with inflation and
Stuff Infometrics has done the numbers on exactly what has
gone up the most, and they've calculated it from July
twenty twenty one. So let's say, really the last three years,
olive oil man alive olive oil pure not extra virginal
light has gone up in three years eighty four percent.

(41:22):
Eggs a dozen eggs have gone up eighty percent. Kumita
the one kg. Who buys one kg of kummeta, who's
got that much money? That's gone up seventy two percent.
Apricots dried one hundred gram fifty eight percent fruit flavored drink,
powdered multi pack of three to five that's gone up
fifty seven percent. You can get rid of that. You
don't need that, you don't need that. You don't need that.

(41:43):
That plus the TV and your child has gone mad.
What's gone down? Tomatoes a kg gone down by sixteen percent.
Salary has gone down by twenty percent, which is unfortunate,
isn't it, because it's gross. Golivlaur has gone down by
twenty nine percent. Let us has gone down by thirty
nine percent, and broccoli, which is a banger of a vegetable,
has gone down by forty eight percent. So go and

(42:03):
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(43:08):
over Waterfront Stadium. Apparently, what if Auckland had its very
own waterfront museum. Sir Ian Taylor of Animation Research and
former White Taketi mayor Sir Bob Harvey are calling for
a Walker shaped museum and exhibition center to be built
on Winyard Point. They reckon they could do the equivalent,
the Auckland equivalent of the Sydney Opera House. Sir Ian
Taylor's with us now, Hi, Enn, Hi, how are you?

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah? Good?

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Thank you? Who's paying?

Speaker 15 (43:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (43:31):
See everybody starts with their question, yeah, so I start
with I'll just start with another one. So this first
of all, isn't my idea. It's an idea that has
has that that really interested me coming from Dunedin. As
I looked at it and the and the story it
was telling. So in all the projects we do, and
I guess it'll be fair to say I have a

(43:52):
we do have a track record here of.

Speaker 15 (43:53):
Getting things done. I always start with what.

Speaker 21 (43:56):
If, and it's kind of like, what if that was
already there on that point it was a world class
facility telling this story. Would it make money? We start with,
I think what the people behind this? The reason I've
stepped up is because I just wanted at least to
come into the conversation. Because conversations happened, and you know somebody,

(44:19):
then I know there's someone else. Put a stadium there,
someone wants to make it a park, someone wants to
do something else. I really really saw a strength in
this that I just felt needed to be brought to
the surface and discussed. And one of the important discussions
around that will be how does it get paid for?

(44:39):
I think if we saw that, people actually thought, actually,
that's a really good idea. The next phase is the
full budgeting of it, and then you would never do
it unless it made commercial sense. I'll give you two examples.
One while watch Kai Kuda Wally, Tom Wally Wally came
to us, The CEO came to us that and he

(45:01):
had this idea and he didn't have it. He said,
don't give me a budget. I'm going to assume you
deliver everything you said you could deliver. I'm going to
price our tickets on the basis of that. And on
the basis of that. He came back and said, here's
your budget, and it was twice as much, twice more
than we need it. And I think that's the exercise.

(45:23):
If this doesn't make financial sense and people can't make
money out of it, you.

Speaker 15 (45:27):
Don't do it.

Speaker 21 (45:27):
Who pays well, it could be a range of anybody.
It could be it could be an EWI, it could
be a fully commercial operation. It could be you know,
and that there are examples all over the place where
that works, so commercially it has to work.

Speaker 15 (45:44):
We shouldn't be asking one thing we want.

Speaker 21 (45:46):
Well, one thing the group is talking about is it's
important not to rely on the government for money.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
That's a great starting point there, Ian, thank you very much.

Speaker 15 (45:56):
Yeah, it's where everybody's going to start.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
So Ian Taylor, Animation re Search Managing Director, five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
The name you trust to get the answers you need
and a duple C Allen Drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Let's get connected a news talk as.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
They'd be Heather, what if sir Ian rejoined the real world?
Hither We already have a waterfront museum. It's called the
Maritime Museum. Let's make that profitable first. That's from Deborah,
Thank you very much. Five twenty five. Can't I couldn't
even better ask any more questions? I don't know if
you pick that up. I was like, got to stop
this nonsense. How long did we spend discussing a waterfront stadium?
It just sucked the life out of us. That life

(46:32):
is still not there to be able to sustain this
conversation as well. Five twenty five On to happier things.
I reckon that My favorite part of Samian Brown's three
year transport plan that was announced yesterday was the fact
that he has defunded those speed bumps. How good is that?
What he said is no more taxpayer money, not a cent,
no more going to speed bumps. Every bump has got

(46:52):
to be completely funded by the local council. If they
want them, they've got to pay for them, which is
going to put pressure on the local councils. By the way,
because these things don't come cheap. Now. Speed bumps feel
to me like the new cycle ways in terms of
this culture war, do you know what I mean? What's
happened here is much the same problem as with the
cycle ways, not in and of themselves a bad idea

(47:13):
at all. I mean, if you've got to slow down
the cars around a school, which is fair enough, then
a speed bump's a great idea. If you've got to
protect a cyclist from fast moving traffic right next to them,
then a cycle way is a great idea. But what's
gone wrong is that councils appear to be obsessed with
doing the most expensive version of both of these things,
and somehow, magically, against everyone's better judgment, councils even managed

(47:37):
to find a way to make a bump in the
road enormously expensive. I mean, there was the one in
Great Lynn and Auckland that cost half a million dollars,
most of that because of the traffic management yets, but
half a million dollars the one in three Kings in
Auckland that was laid, then ripped up and then laid
again within about a year and a half or something
like that, at the cost of six hundred thousand dollars.
Then there were the ones in Wellington that they haven't

(47:59):
built yet. But this is the subject of the council
walk out the other day. Five of them in the
space of one point seven k's that will cost one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars each. That is the problem
with the speed bumps. That is why a few people
are furious about them, because what should just be a
simple job of pouring a lump of tar seal on
the road and then kind of smoothing it out and
making it a bit round, has become a massive engineering

(48:20):
feat which costs the same as building a house somewhere
down country. Very few people are going to be upset
about this with Sime and Brown councils will be on
notice as well, because now every single speed bump that
you see popping up in your local area will be
ordered and pay for out of your rate payer dollars.
And it's coming from the very councils who are jacking
up your rates by huge amounts at the moment. So

(48:42):
every single speed bump from here on in has got
to be justified. I'd say ever do for Sea Ellen
Heather Matt Durcy definitely not the Golden Balls minister should
stop referring to product. He sounds like a twenty four
year old NBA grad. Thank you, Rachel. He's probably not
the Golden Balls minister. A I reckon, now that we're
back on that sub jet Simeon and Erica, what do

(49:02):
you think? I reckon Simeon. Simeon is obviously the guy,
but I reckon I would also extend the epithet to Erica.
I don't know how she feels about that particular genderization
of her talent, but I reckon she's a golden Bulls
minister too. Sorry for scouting about the rain where the
apparently it's raining everywhere. Headline's next on.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
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with One New Zealand, let's get connected and news talk
as they'd be.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
After six o'clock, we'd have Hipt Miles Hurrel of Fonterra.
He's actually overseas with the Prime Minister at the moment,
and apparently the Southeast Asians just love the uh t
cream that Fonterra is doing. So he's announced that they're
going to open a new cream factory in Edendale. Great
news for Southland. One hundred and fifty million bucks going
in there. So he'll explain it to us when he's
with us shortly. Apparently they're swopping out their coconut milk

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put in the uht and in instead, which is obviously
the traditional way of doing it. So anyway, we'll get
the latest. The Huddle is standing by hither. I know
where there are some speed bumps in Auckland that want
to be relocated if another council wants them. I'm on
board with that. I'm happy to help.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Them with that.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
I just if they could just just pay their relocation
costs of that speed bump, given that we've probably sunk
a lot of money into it by now as well,
six hundred thousand or so. So yeah, that's a great idea,
thanks mate. Twenty three away from six now, there is
a realistic possibility of a terrorist attack in New Zealand,
and the most likely way that it could happen is
a lone actor. That's according to the latest security assessment

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by our Intelligence Services. Andrew Hampton is the Director General
at the SIS Hey Andrew hi hever is the possibility
of a terrorist attack like this more or less likely
than it was last year.

Speaker 19 (50:53):
It is consistent with last year's assessment, which is there
is a realistic possibility of a a terrorist event, but
the threaten environment continues to evolve, and one of the
things that has changed over the last year is the
increased prominence of what we call people with mixed unclear

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ones stablider ideologies or motivations. So these are people who
often young, radicalized online, fixated with violence. They may not
have strong affiliations to a particular ideology, but they're looking
for something to justify under taking a violent act.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Right, And these kinds of people are very hard to stop,
aren't they because they act by themselves.

Speaker 19 (51:39):
Well, fortunately, you know, we're talking about only a very
small number of individuals who we know about, who we're
concerned about, and we're keeping an eye on them. But yes,
you're you're right. The risk with a self radicalized individual,
they're likely to be acting alone. There won't necessarily be

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much intelligence warning, and they'll use capabilities that are readily
at hand, such as knives or vehicles. That's one of
the reasons why we've put this threat assessment out so
that the public know what the signs of someone who
may be on that mobilization pathway looks like and so
they can spot those signs and then place. There's a

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range of range of things to look at, and we
released a couple of years ago a report specifically on that.
But part of it is people's online behavior. Part of
it is individuals may be looking at their own security,

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you know, how they obscure what they're doing. Sometimes it
may be radical changes and behavior from people. It may
be about how they espouse particular ideology. So there are
a range of things to look for. The key message
we want to get across is if you know, within

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your community, even within your family, you're concerned about someone
because they may be engaging with extremist material. They may
be talking about wanting to undertake some sort of act,
they may be seeking to associate with people online. Of
concern that you know, you do, you do raise that
with us or with the police. You know, and in

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many cases, in most cases, you know, people who exhibit
online behaviors don't end up taking undertaking a real world act,
but sometimes they do.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
On the spying, the report says that you guys busted
a unit gathering info for a Foreign Intelligence Service and
then you send a message to them to stop. Did
they stop?

Speaker 19 (53:48):
They definitely took notice. What what we try and do
is make very clear to those countries that are undertaking
that type of active that we know what they're up to,
that we are monitoring them, and that it is said,
it may not be a legal activity, but it is

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activity that's inconsistent with our values and our national interest
and for them to cease doing it, and it should
expect they don't like that very much. Sometimes though, it
just leads to them trying to, you know, obscure their
their activities more. But in that particular case, yes, they

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took notice.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Andrew, thank you. I really appreciate you having a chat
with us. Andrew Hopton, Director General of the SIS. It's
coming up nineteen away.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
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Speaker 4 (54:46):
This evening got David Farracuria Polster and KII blog and
Allie Jones read pr Halo guys Maheather David, is it
normal for our spies to warn the other spies that
we busted them spying?

Speaker 2 (54:58):
It is quite normal? Would be my assumption.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
I feel like spycraft though, does it.

Speaker 24 (55:05):
No, But it's sort of like you had save a
lot of time and bother if you just say, look,
we're on to you, we know what you're doing, rather
than have to keep monitoring it, they'll go away.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
But they'll just try harder to hide themselves, won't.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
They that they will, etc.

Speaker 24 (55:21):
But it's not the sort of activity where, well, if
you had found out you know, there was a secret
agent who was stealing secrets, that's not just something you'd
say we know about all right.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
But this is like having front groups et trying to
stir things up.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Okay, allie, how do you feel about this?

Speaker 3 (55:39):
In freaking I think yet it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
No.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
I think there are two different things here.

Speaker 20 (55:43):
Firstly, there's that that spying and that infiltration that we
heard a bit about there. And then I think they're
those lunatics that try and promote ideologies, and in christ Church,
of course we're well aware of that after the terrible,
tragic mosque shootings some years ago. But I also, you know,
and I don't want to make light of this because
that was tragic and it could happen again. But I

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find this really quite bizarre. I mean I watch a
lot of Netflix, I watch a lot of streaming stuff
on spies, and I think we are very relaxed in
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
But I just can't imagine spies here.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Can you.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
I mean, it makes me think of Wellington paranormal.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
It just seems bizarre, it does, I mean, David, I mean,
Allie makes a really good point, right because we had
a couple of spies in Parliament. We kicked them out.
They're not very good at it, are they.

Speaker 6 (56:32):
Well.

Speaker 24 (56:32):
The thing is we don't off probably since the seventies eighties,
do we have yo like you see on Netflix the Americans,
the deep undercover spies. Probably not, because our military defense
secrets aren't really that important. But what we definitely have
is influence operations. We see and yeah, our name one
of People's Republic of China puts many millions of dollars

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into Confucius Institutes, into funding through universities to try.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
And get their view of the world normalized.

Speaker 24 (57:04):
In New Zealan, I think there is the bigger issue
that we need to be concerned about that you've got
these influence operations rather than traditional spot David.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Okay, explain to me why I should be worried about
that because I look at that and think, Okay, it's
an idea. You're pitching an idea at me. You're putting
a lot of money into an idea. I'm not scared
of your idea. I want to understand your idea. It
doesn't feel to me particularly nefarious, should it.

Speaker 24 (57:27):
Well, the furious part is when it comes that he
who has the gold you know, the golden role. And
what you've then had is that universities start to self
censor for they don't want to lose the funding. They
have certain areas demmed off topic.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
You've had protest benners removed from.

Speaker 24 (57:48):
Campus because they were worried they might upset the government
of China. That's when it becomes a real problem of
the fundings, no strings attached, fine, but the funding of courses.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
Yeah, that is the mayli where there's money. If you
step out of line and you lose the money, oh.

Speaker 20 (58:04):
Yeah absolutely, And as we know, you just follow the money.
You just look at some of the money that's being
spent in the Pacific at the moment. We're in Fiji
a couple of years ago, and there's some amazing stuff
happening there, and it's all funded by the People's Republic
of China.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
So and we know that we're in a great position
here in the Pacific.

Speaker 20 (58:19):
There are country is very interested in getting a hold on,
you know, in the Pacific here, and that would be
the main reason. But I still can't get past that
almost comic idea of you know, get smart or it
just seems bizarre.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
In a country like New Zealand, it just seems weird.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
Yeah, hey guys, we'll take a break and come back,
and just the ticket's called to two.

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Speaker 4 (58:43):
Back of the Huddle, Alie Jones and David Farrah Ali,
what do you think about this tourism levy going up?
And are you worried about it putting the tourists off?

Speaker 3 (58:50):
No, not worried about it putting the two. The only
tourists I am concerned about it putting.

Speaker 15 (58:54):
Off is the.

Speaker 20 (58:56):
I was going to say lowest spending. They actually don't
spend less when you add it up, because they stay longer.
But I'm talking about the backpackers. The backpackers and the
self contained cheap car travelers come here Now two things,
As I said, they stay here longer, so they spend
less per day, but they stay here longer so they
spend well. And also they come back when they're older

(59:17):
and they spend more then, and they bring their kids.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
I think I think it's definitely Alie. This thing is
kind of slightly geared towards getting rid of them.

Speaker 20 (59:25):
Well, I think that's a shame, and I don't you know,
they're not looking at their own stats.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
If that's the case. I think overall it's a good idea.

Speaker 20 (59:30):
You know, when we were in Europe recently, you pay
anything from two bucks to ten bucks a night on
top of what you're paying for accommodation, and that's the
tax there.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
We paid forty eight.

Speaker 20 (59:38):
Dollars for a three hour layover going through the US.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
So you know, I do think we've charged too little
in New Zealand.

Speaker 20 (59:45):
But I would hate to think that we're going to
lose those longest staying backpacker tourists.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
David, I reckon this is going to prove to be
popular amongst the public because we are sick of them
kind of being subsidized at US having to subsidize it.
But I just wonder if the timing's a bit off.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
It will be popular.

Speaker 24 (01:00:02):
People always like taxes, and effectively it's a tax that
someone else pays.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
This is from a popularity point of view. No one
who votes in New Zealand will have to pay this tax.
Where it's a bit cumbers a lot.

Speaker 24 (01:00:16):
I understand the need that you have to have infrastructure
funded for, and you know GST might not be enough,
but just one hundred dollars per airport entry seems a
bit of like someone who comes here for a one
day conference will pay the same as someone who spends
three weeks traveling around, touristing through New Zealand, etc. You know,

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an actual bed tax would probably make a bit more
sense than just this flat one hundred dollar levy.

Speaker 15 (01:00:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Actually, somebody on the text has said exactly that, David
so great minds thinker like that. Now, Ellie, tell me something,
because you're over fifty, aren't you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
Hey, are you people getting divorced?

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Look, there are a lot of us getting divorced. I'm guessing.

Speaker 20 (01:00:59):
I'm I think we probably get to an age where
we know what we want and what we don't want,
you know, and we go right bugger it. And also
I think society has changed and we can do it.
It seems so common now and so normal. I think
also women are more financially independent than they have been,
although less than the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Key we say, because we stopped working for a while
to have kids.

Speaker 20 (01:01:19):
We like to travel. He likes to stay at home
and watch the tally. You know, there are things like
that happening too. But I think it's got to do
with with women just going no, actually I want this
and I'm going to do this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
And good on them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Yeah, David, are you over fifty?

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
I am, and as you know, God, yes, So I
wanted my decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
What was it, David?

Speaker 11 (01:01:40):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Did you stop? Do we just start doing the dishwasher properly?

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
I think they have been part of a could will
be part of it.

Speaker 24 (01:01:49):
But I think most people in their fifties, I've got
younger kids, you know, the kids have got adults. I
have since my safrage, I've talked to a lot of friends,
and the yes is that we're in our relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
I may so many of them.

Speaker 24 (01:02:02):
Have said R and ds too, that you do get frustrated,
that tensions do build up. Now obviously, some people work
through them, some don't. But the number one I have
take for it is you have to keep working really
hard at a relationship. You can't just say, yep, we're
now in this comfortable routine, etc.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
There because they all have these tensions and stresses that
build up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
David, do you reckon because your kidd's young? Do you
reckon that the tension? I mean like it's exacerbated by
having kids, right, because young kids, especially under five, are
really tough to have around.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Oh oh, absolutely.

Speaker 24 (01:02:41):
The real challenge when you have young kids is having
enough time for you and your partner.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Yeah, partners, not just parents.

Speaker 24 (01:02:50):
And I'm sure so many families have gone through this,
and some do it better than others.

Speaker 15 (01:02:55):
But it has.

Speaker 24 (01:02:56):
Absolutely a challenge because when you do get a bit time,
years just want to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Go to sleep.

Speaker 20 (01:03:04):
Yeah, but a big part of that as well as
don't forget you know, some of us are having all
some of us had kids much older, so parents are older,
parents of parents are older. So you know, in the
days when we used to rely on our parents to
help out, that's not happening so much anymore either. So yes,
it does add stress, but it's great when they go.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
It's good when they leave the charm and I think, yes, yea, Ellie,
you know parents.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Ellie, you'll tell us to two people who are like
decades away from that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Mate.

Speaker 20 (01:03:31):
Yeah, we'll just keep looking. It's like light at the
end of the tunnel. Enjoy them now, but it's great
when they go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
I just have to share this.

Speaker 24 (01:03:39):
By four and seven year old knowing none on the
radio put a letter under the door saying can we
please have a wine gum? Flip over this paper pot
back out to tell us if we can or not? PS,
I love you very much.

Speaker 15 (01:03:53):
Did you did you do that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
No? I've only just found the letter.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Yes, that is so sweet.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
You give them a wine gum. David please, that's David
Farah and help them sack. Yeah. Probably they covered all bases,
smart little ones. It's how gorgeous is that? David Farah
and Alie Jones ahartle seven away from six on your.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your car
on your drive home. Heather duper c Allen drive with
one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Myles Harrela Fonterra is going to be with us in
around about twelve minutes time, Heather, Divorce over fifty is
called menopause. Paul, thank you. Now you might be right, Paul,
But I'm starting to develop an alternative theory here, which
is that there are a lot of people over fifty
who have got youngest kids like David, and maybe that's
adding to the skew of it as well, because the

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numbers are going up. So maybe you got a lot
of pressure later in life for parents and stuff like that.
But then maybe it's the menopause. Menopause is a real
thing that that causes people to go women to go
completely nut, so doesn't it. And then also you know
that you're remove out and now you're stuck looking at
each other and you're thinking, ah, so you're the one
who wasn't doing the dishwasher.

Speaker 7 (01:05:05):
All of that, all of the above, well, maybe if
your husband is constantly naghing you about your menopause and
making jokes about your menopause, that might not help either.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Listen, ants, let me tell you something about menopause and
hormones and a woman. Nothing helps. So you could literally
be sitting there breathing ants and I would divorce you
over it. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
Okay, I'll call the lawys.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
That's okay, Yeah, you get ready.

Speaker 10 (01:05:23):
What are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
It's trying to end it already, is like call the lawyers,
put the music up. Off we go, Hey, before we go?
Before off we go. I'm fascinated by how this business
is going to work with the king's coronation now that
King t Hazia has passed away. Not because I think
it's a particularly powerful position or anything like that. Like
I'm not hyping I'm not hyping myself over it. But
I'm here for the drama. I am here for the drama.
So it's going to be announced on Thursday, maybe even tomorrow.

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It's a group of twelve people who are going to decide.
They called the Coomara Urua, which just basically means twelve,
and it was set up by King Tarfeel in the
nineteenth century because he'd become a Christian thrice like literally,
he'd been baptized three times, and he loved the number
twelve because you know, Jesus had twelve disciples, so why
shouldn't he, So he set up a group of twelve
to help him run the situation. Once they're appointed, they

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hold the position until they die. There are some people,
you know, in the group of twelve, Shay Wilson, the
former president of the Maori Party, Penny here Nare of
Labor and old mate on our Hardawada is in there now.
The expectation is that generally the eldest child of the
king succeeds, but unfortunately they've had a falling out, haven't

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they over him marrying the wrong bird? And then the
second son has had a bit of trouble with the law.
So the daughter is the one who looks most likely
to take it. But then some of the ear we
have said that I don't want any of the children,
So all of a sudden you've got a curveball like
nanayah maybe, And I am here for this drama, like
there's nothing I love more than a bit of royal drama,
whether it's Harry over in the UK or what's going

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on here. Anyway, we'll find out tomorrow or Thursday.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
We have business means. Inside the business hour we're the
duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
And even in coming up for the next hour, I've
got a survey of CFOs that show a fair few
of them are feeling pretty optimistic. We're going to talk
to Brad Olson about that shortly, Ozzie GDP data is
out tomorrow. Paul Bloxham on that, and Jamie mackay on
what the milk price is going to do this season.
It's coming up eight past six now. Fonterra is set

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to invest one hundred and fifty million bucks to build
a new plant in Southland to meet growing demand from Asia.
The plant will produce uht cream, with demand expected to
rise more than four percent every single year for the
next decade. The chief executive, Miles Hurell, made the announcement
in Malaysia today. He's traveling with the Prime Minister's delegation.
Is have a jat tam High Miles, Hi, This is
fantastic stuff. Why do they like the UHTA cream so much?

Speaker 25 (01:07:42):
Yeah, I mean it's been a grown market for us
for quite some time, mainly on the back of China
for the last a decade or so. But you know,
we're reaching to a point where our capacity and the
wakados are are filling up and so we need to
invest more so south it's the right thing for us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
And so what's going on here? Because I heard that
apparently people in Southeast Asia are taking the coconut milkout
and and Darian, is that what's up?

Speaker 25 (01:08:02):
Yeah, there has been a move more from the Western
diet when we've been using our products in the Western
diet more to sort of in that call of fusion,
so you know, such as laxa and milk teas. We're
starting to see our products going to those categories now,
which which is great because of course that's what the
traditional people in Malaysia and the like are eating.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
So it opens up a new market for us.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
Is there as much demand in places like that as
there is in China?

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
I mean it's off a lower base clearly.

Speaker 25 (01:08:30):
I mean the China story has been going as a
safe sort of five to ten years now, so it
is growing. It's sort of double digit in some in
some categories for us.

Speaker 6 (01:08:39):
So we are to see it.

Speaker 25 (01:08:40):
And being in Malaysia this week, you know, to see
at first ham and hear from our customers and partners.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
You know, it's a great market for us.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
And is this a case of you guys hunting out
alternative markets in order to diversify away from China or
are they hunting you out?

Speaker 25 (01:08:53):
Well, it's a combination of both. I mean we've always
been in the Southeast Asia market, you know, sort of
for fifty odd years in in Malaysia, and you know,
it's it's just an opportunity for us to sort of
grow beyond the China's market. So you know, it's an
end story for us.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Yeah, it's a good move. Okay.

Speaker 25 (01:09:09):
So why Edendale, Well there's a bit of surplus cream
in that in that area. You know, most of our
cream capacity in the North is field at at Whiteta.
So this is an opportunity to sort of turn what
maybe you perceived as a sort of a commodity end
of the cycle for some of the cream that we
had down there and put it into this area. And
of course, you know, opening up to seventy year old
new jobs in the area well received as well. I'm

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sure by that by the region.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Oh, i'd imagine. So yeah, any concerns it all about
actually finding.

Speaker 25 (01:09:35):
The workforce, No, I don't think so. I mean we've
got pretty strong relationships with the unions and as a
result it get you know, some pretty good talent comes
through through the pipeline, so I know we're not concerned
about that. You know, we've got a strong pipeline of
people coming through right across the country and miles.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
You know, you're doing this at a time when we
are talking about so many businesses just being unable to
cope with the power prices and it being part of
the reason why they're talking about shutting down. Is that
a concern for you at all?

Speaker 25 (01:10:04):
Well, if anything, it sort of reinforces the need to
continue to add value because on one side, you know,
your costs continue to go up and you're under pressure,
so you've got to look for new markets and new
avenues to grow you grow the top line. So you know,
if anything, it sort of pushes us into that space.
But we are conscious that you know, the New Zealand
and the world is not in a great space right now,
but you know there's confidence for us and in both

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the New Zealand market and in globally. And you know,
couple this with our announcement last week and start around
our ingredients business.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
You know, it shows that that the industry is in
good shape. And and Fonterra it was also a good joke.

Speaker 10 (01:10:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Do you think the power thing is going to resolve itself?

Speaker 25 (01:10:43):
I think so these things over time have have habit
of working themselves out. The markets will sort of, you know,
get back to an equilibrium. But but there's a bit
of pain on the way through, as we can all see.
And it's you know, at least it's it's front and
center now with those and Power and Wellington, so hopefully
they can they can see some change coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
But but you know, it's a stress for the industry,
no question, Miles.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
How's the trip going?

Speaker 26 (01:11:05):
You're going?

Speaker 25 (01:11:05):
Well, you know, the Promeinise has been out there sort
of way in the new New Zealand flag. You know,
we're here with other food and beverage companies, these education,
these tourism and he's doing a good job on that front.
But it's been pretty pretty busy the last couple days.
We're off to South Korea ladder tonight, so looking forward
to that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Yeah, good, enjoy yourself, Miles really appreciated as Miles Hurrell,
chief executive of font Era. How good is that news
for Edendalgan? I love it got a little bit of
an understanding, like slightly more clarity, not a lot, but
slightly more clarity about why that Deval receivership report is
still secret. The receivership report, by the way, will outline
who is owed, what how much money? And so this
is what So it is reasonably important that this has

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made public. It's been to the High Court. In the
High Court, lawyers for Duval were arguing it shouldn't be
made public. Media outlets were arguing it should be made
public because it's in the public interest and clearly given
the scale of this business. It is the judge hearing
it is Neil Campbell. He's reserved his decision in a
minute he released late last week. He did, though, acknowledge

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the public interest in this, so that I think is
hopefully assigned that it is going to be out and
apparently it's been reported that there is a decision expected
just in the next few days as to whether to
release the report or not. So stand by for that.
Thirteen past six crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
It's the daughter that's from Lynn, that's apropos, the King's
passing and who's going to take over? It wouldn't surprise
me for this. She's actually quite impressive. She's got herself
a degree from why Couple University and she's on the
university student council. She's been floating around doing all the
King's work, like or not all some of the King's
work for him and accompanying him and stuff like that,
just in her late twenties. So going to be Likeabeth
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Is seventeen past sex now. A new survey of chief
financial offices shows there's some positivity for the year ahead.
The inaugural Hunter Campbell Mood of the CFO survey shows
thirty percent of CFOs feel upbeat about upcoming company performance.
Informetric's principle economist Brad Olson is all over this, Hi, Brad,
good evening. Were you surprised to see this level of

(01:14:20):
positivity a little bit?

Speaker 10 (01:14:22):
I mean both in terms of expectations for the year ahead,
but actually just looking at how activity has gone for
a lot of companies over the last year. You know,
some of the CFOs that were interviewed suggested that, yes,
it's been tough. Twenty one percent of their revenue had declined,
twenty nine said their profitability had declined. And I think
the difference in those numbers sort of suggest, you know that,

(01:14:43):
obviously costs are still playing a part, but the fact
that thirty percentury the upbeat or bullish about company expectations
for the year ahead, I think does reinforce what you've
seen in other surveys and other indicators that actually, you know,
there is a bit of a bit more optimism coming
through in the business community about better things to come.

Speaker 15 (01:15:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Now, I mean, obviously thirty percent feeling great does mean
that's seventy percent, So what's going on there?

Speaker 10 (01:15:06):
Well, Equally, when we sort of look through some of
those figures, you've got sort of thirty percent that are
either upbeat or bullish, you've got sort of the bulk
in the middle who are sort of going, look, we
think that things will be okay, we'll either hold still
or will grow but maybe not had our growth expectations,
or you know, will grow, but we might have our
expectations but not really sort of plow through them. But

(01:15:26):
I think it does sort of suggest if you look
at the numbers who are reporting that they think things
are going to get worse from where they are here,
it's still sort of in an all right position.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
So what is it that they are saying specifically that
they're worried about.

Speaker 10 (01:15:40):
I mean, there's still a range of concerns out there.
I mean, obviously costs are still a big part of it,
and I mean, you know, I think there's been a
lot of confidence that the lowering of the official cash
rate has provided to them. Also interesting is what they're
asking for from politicians. Some of it is the usual stuff.
You know, they want less regulation and and sort of
policies that support more productive outcomes. You know, they don't

(01:16:03):
want to be dealing in red tape every day. They
want sort of you know, the right tax settings to
people get on and go to work and do that
productive stuff. But sort of almost surprisingly for CFOs, you know,
everyone thinks of them from a very traditional finance point
of view. But you know this Hunter Campbell now says
highlights that actually there's things around the likes of the
cost of living, about crime rates, around utility bills and

(01:16:26):
similar you know, there is a much greater focus I
think on people and talent from CFOs at the moment.
They do care a lot more about the staff that
they're looking after. They're having to be a lot more
proactive about that, and in fact, they're actually still worried
about talent despite the fact the unemployment rates going up,
and I think that highlights that we still have a
skills mismatch. There's still some good talent needed in the

(01:16:46):
finance space at the minute.

Speaker 4 (01:16:48):
Brad, I know you love your infrastructure. What did you
make of the announcement yesterday?

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:16:53):
Look, I think it's encouraging to see that, you know,
all of that money being spent going forward on infrastructure,
and certainly some of those is that you know, do
desperately need it. I'm a Northander, I know how challenging
it is when the brend Dowins go out, So you know,
some of those investments are encouraging. The tricky thing looking
through the document is going to be there is a
lot of commitment to spend money. There is not a

(01:17:13):
huge amount of that money into the future years that's
going spare, So at some point we're going to have
to decide do we want to sit in traffic, do
we want to have you know, congestion running through or
are we happy to pay tolls or taxes or something
because we've got to get better quality infrastructure.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Yeah, fair enough, Hey Brad, thank you as always really appreciated.
That's Brad Olson, informetrics principle economist. The GDP number for
Australia is due out tomorrow and if I remember correctly,
in the March quarter it was something like zero point
one percent, and then this quarter that's just gone. The
June quarter they are expecting it to be somewhere between
zero point one and zero point three percent, so it's
pretty much flatlining. It's but it's not pretty, but at

(01:17:49):
least it's not a recession. At least it's not three
recessions like in New Zealand. Anyway, Paul Bloxham is going
to be with us after half past six and talk
us through it. Brazil's ban on Twitter, it seems to
be holding. It's just gone to the Supreme Court there
they have upheld at five judges unanimously agreed Twitter deserves
to stay banned. What seems to have irritated the judges,

(01:18:10):
or at least one of them, is that when it
was in the lower courts, I think last week a
court had told Twitter to name a legal representative in Brazil,
but Twitter is a big deal, don't you know, because
of Elon Musk. So they didn't do it, and so
the judge. The judge was quite annoyed, said because Twitter
had ignored it, it obviously considered itself above the rule
of law and therefore it can stay banned. Six twenty one.

Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
The Rural Report on hither due to see allan drive.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
Either if you're in Brazil, which I'm not, but thank
you for the advice, just use a VPN. You can
get around the Twitter ban easily.

Speaker 24 (01:18:42):
Ben.

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
That is a lot of effort to go to just
use Twitter, which actually, frankly sucks lately. I don't know
if you've tried it. Six twenty four with me now
is Jamie McKay host to the Country a Jamie Good Heather.

Speaker 26 (01:18:53):
Interesting to hear you talking to Miles Hurrell at the
top of the air. Look significant investment last week at Studham,
this week Sedendale and Southland. Good news week or a
couple of weeks for the dairy industry. They've got a
GDT auction tonight, my guy Jardin Mike McIntire picking another
two to three percent rise. The milk futures are sitting

(01:19:15):
at eight eighty nine. That's getting up there. They and
Zed are leading the charge.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Heather.

Speaker 26 (01:19:21):
They've they've raised their forecast milk price to nine dollars
a kilogram last week. Interestingly, Rabobank went to sixty Fonterra
still at eight fifty. But you'd have to think on
the present market sentiment that maybe nine dollars is on
the cards and that's a good number.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
How good? What a turnaround from where it was not
long ago and everybody was so upset and desperate.

Speaker 26 (01:19:43):
Aim, Well, you go back to August twenty twenty three,
so that's twelve months ago we had that terrible GDT auction.
Six dollars fifty was the number being bandied about, and
that would have resulted in the loss for nearly every
dairy farmer in the country. Look, I mean the I
can't sugarcoat the increase in production over the past few years.

(01:20:03):
It's been absolutely horrendous. But you know, I look at
dairy and I compare it the poor old sheep farmers
at the moment, and there's some green sheets they are
coming for them as well, which is good. But I
think theiry is in quite a good space at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Yeah, sounds like now, Jamie. I was skouting before about
how warm it's been in Auckland in the last few days,
and then I started getting all these texts about its raining.
Everywhere has been raining in Canterbury.

Speaker 26 (01:20:26):
No, and that's what they need. They desperately need some rain.
In Canterbury they had a couple of cold shifts coming through.
But look, North Canterbury is absolutely dire, the Hiiranui district
in particular. I saw a rainfall quotation from one farmer
in Scagore, which is in North Canterbury. Between December of

(01:20:46):
last year and August of this year, I've only had
two hundred and twenty millimeters of millimeters of rain. Now
to classify as a desert on an annual basis you
need less than three hundred, so extrapolate that out. North
Canterbury is technically almost a desert. It was declared a
medium scale adverse event drought by Todd McLay, Minister of

(01:21:08):
Agriculture in March. But look, typically in Canterbury, you know
they'll have dry summers, they farm to those, the autumn
rains come, they get a bit of growth through the
winter and they're away. But they just haven't had the
autumn rains. They haven't even had the winter rains. They're
getting a wee bit of growth.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Now off the warmth.

Speaker 26 (01:21:25):
But as soon as those Northwesters start going as they
are at the moment, witness the fire that's happening at
the moment, and that place will burn to a frazzle.
They desperately need some good news from Mother Nature in
the next two or three weeks. I'd suggest by the
end of September, or it could be game over.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
He is hoping. Jamie, thank you so much, appreciate it.
Jamie McKay hosts The Country Talking in a couple of days.
There is something weird going on with the guys up.
Do you remember those guys up at the space station,
the ones who went up with Boeing and then Boeing broke,
Because everything that Boeing does at the moment is they
say they've been hearing a strange noise coming from the capsule.

(01:22:11):
It's like when you have a baby and they put
one of those listening devices on your belly and that's
what the babies heart, but it's not you're in space
and then that weird thing is happening. So they called
imagine how freaky that is called mission control. Played it
down the line. It sounds like it's just a speaker
feedback loop. Nothing serious, but just another problem with the
Boeing thing. Just imagine that you're sitting up in space

(01:22:34):
all on your todd the two of you, and then
you're listening to that noise. Headline's next to them. Paul Bloxham.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither duplicy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
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Speaker 8 (01:23:04):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
Every Grady's going to be with us out of the
UK shortly, so our first chance talking to him about
where they managed to get himself some Oasis tickets and
how expensive they were. By the way, I saw actually
online that there is there is some advice from experts
that it is possible that Ticketmaster in the UK using
the dynamic pricing may have breached the law there, which

(01:23:24):
is not what we thought yesterday. So I'll get you
across that shortly. It's twenty four away from seven now.
Australian GDP comes out tomorrow and economists are expecting some
growth just a little bit, Paul blocks them as Agspecies
chief economist and with us. Now, hey, Paul, I see
a couple of banks have revised their forecasts down and
they're just sitting above zero at the moment.

Speaker 18 (01:23:43):
What are you calling on the quarter itselfero point three
over the year one percent and irrespective, that would be
a pretty weak print really, and that's what we're expecting.
The growth is quite weak, as you say, it's sort
of somewhere in that very very low range for growth
in the economy. But that's what's needed in order to

(01:24:03):
get inflation down. We've been having sluggish growth in Australia
for some time, as you also know, we haven't had
a contraction in GDP. I mean other places in New
Zealand included have had declining GDP. In order to get
inflation down, Australia has chosen this pathway of slowing growth down,
having sluggish growth for a longer period to get inflation down,
but not actually having an outright contraction.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
Yeah, I mean, is that as close as you get
to landing a jumbo jet on a postage stemp?

Speaker 18 (01:24:29):
Well, this is it, right, So this is the aim
is to deliver a soft landing and also get inflation
to come down. And the trade off is it may
take longer, we may have a long we are likely
to have a longer period of weak growth in order
to get inflation to come down. And the other option
is to have a shorter period of much much weaker growth,
which is sort of where the direction of New Zealand's travel.

(01:24:51):
We think when the New Zealand numbers come out in
a few weeks time, it will show that in the
second quarter GDP probably fell in New Zealand. So there
are two sort of slightly they're different pathways to looking
to get inflation back to target.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
Which one is the better one?

Speaker 18 (01:25:06):
Well, this is a good question, and it really is
difficult to answer because it depends on, you know, preferences.
It depends on how heavily you weight the priority of
getting inflation down fast, and how you weight that against
how much unemployment you're prepared to accept, how much weaker
growth you're prepared to accept, And so it's how much
weight you place on those two priorities. And it seems

(01:25:29):
that the RBNZ has put a very high priority on
getting inflation down faster, and the RBA is finding, you know,
putting a bigger weight on trying to stay close to
full employment while getting inflation down. It really just depends
on how much weight those things carry.

Speaker 4 (01:25:42):
Do you have an opinion, Paul, Because at the outset,
when this debate was happening, I thought, no, inflation's the
most important thing, go for it. But as the longer
this goes on in New Zealand, and the more businesses
I see closed and the more economic scarring ICEE happen,
and particularly with the young people, I am starting to
question myself. So what's your opinion.

Speaker 18 (01:26:00):
I think that it's going to take time for us
to be able to look back and assess where we landed.
I don't think it's actually reasonable to sort of sit
in the middle of this process and try to make
a clear judgment as to which turns out to be
the better one. Unfortunately, it's going to take time for
us to sort of work out how things do actually
turn out, because inflation is not back at target yet.
In Australia, it's still well well above target and it's

(01:26:21):
going to take time. It's actually not quite back at
target in New Zealand yet either. Although the arbience of
ZS obviously decided they can start to lower interest rates.
So I still think it's a bit early to really
decide which one was the better pathway. We're going to
need a bit more time to work it out.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
Listen back to the GDP number at zero point three
percent for the quarter, Is that still a recession per
capita per capita?

Speaker 18 (01:26:43):
Yes, so propopulation growth is still outpacing that. So GDP
per capita is falling. And that's the case of both
New Zealand and Australia. But in Australia's case, we had
very strong population growth and obviously quite weak GDP growth
per capita. GDP is declining, but overall GDP is not
because the growth is being supported by more people coming in.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
Yeah, fascinating stuff, Paul, Thank you very much. We are
going to see a very interesting divergence here between the
two and be able to decide which are the two approaches,
is correct. That's Paul Bloxham, HSBC's chief economists. Now, you
know if you listen to the show, that I think
that most social media trends are the epitome of stupid, right,
especially stuff that you see on TikTok. It's like brain

(01:27:25):
dead Zone is real stupid. Shit going on there. I'm
gonna be honest with you, I have found the best one.
Yet nothing beats how stupid This one is fridge scaping.
So this is where people who clearly have no children,
very easy jobs, and no friends decide to decorate the

(01:27:47):
inside of their fridges. But they don't just decorate the
inside of their fridges to suit their personal esthetic. They
decorate the inside of their fridges in the style of
Bridgeton decor. So it's variously known as fridge scape or frigitin.
What they do is the following things like, you need
to really go and look this up online. Go go
fridge scaping or frigit in, have a look at that

(01:28:10):
to get the kind of full thing that they are
doing here. But I'll paint you a picture, right, So,
imagine opening up your fridge and every single shelf is
just chock a block full of little knickknacks and crap
like that. There is a gold mirror attached to the
back of the fridge on one of the shelves. Someone's
put someone being the Fridgeona has put porcelain vases of

(01:28:34):
flowers on every single level, little jars with cut flowers,
a little like twined, tying, tying, the little little cut
ends of your little lavender, a porcelain hedgehog on one
of the shelves, and fairy lights across all of that. Yeah,
fairy lights across all of the shelves. Cut out pictures
of fairy stuck to various bowls with cherries in them
or raspberries or whatever you got in there at the moment,

(01:28:56):
A toy deer, porcelain toadstools, butterflies stuck to the wall,
presumably with a little bit of blue tack, like something
that looks like a glass ashtray but probably is a
bit fancy, like like a little bowl of the nickknacks
or something like that. It's cut glass. Some unlit candles, yeah,
because you can't light the candle in the fridge, but
you can have the candle in their needlework in a frame,

(01:29:18):
some needlework that your granny did and left for you.
The vibe is very kind of Scottish Christmas. I want
to say, it's it's cited like you've made a bit
of an effort, but it's a bit of steer anyway.
This is what they're doing with their time. Because I've
obviously got too much of it. I don't need to
tell you that the health the food safety people have
come out and told them it's probably not a good idea,

(01:29:40):
because your fridge is for your food and not for
things like this that's been touched by everybody's gross little
hands and is now in there with them. And hello
hashtag cross contamination idiots eighteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
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Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
You have to tell us a crap? Because if I
don't tell you about fridgeton, who else is going to
tell you? And when you go to your young one's
house and you open the fridge up and you see
all the snnsense going on there, you'd be like, oh,
that's right here. They told me about that. Now I
know what's up. You get it out. But otherwise you'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Like, what is this?

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
And fore warneders four round quarter to seven into Brady
UK correspondence with us. Now, Inda, Heather, did you get
your tickets?

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
No, of course not.

Speaker 27 (01:30:31):
So this was the story of the weekend and it's
turned into quite a political storm now Oasis tickets and
dynamic pricing. Now apparently apps deploy this for hotel prices.
Airlines use it when it gets busy. Dynamic pricing. It
was implemented very quickly over the weekend for Oasis tickets
across the UK and Ireland and people ended up paying

(01:30:54):
north of seven hundred and fifty dollars to stand. And
the way it works, there was a huge I mean
there was at one stage eight hundred thousand people in
the QU in the UK. I was in the Irish que.
There's two gigs in Krog Park where we played Gaelic
football and hurling in Dublin, ninety thousand capacity in that stadium.

(01:31:14):
Two gigs in Dublin. I got onto the app. I'm
not even gonna mention the name of the people because
not to give them any more publicity. I got onto
that app with five minutes before the window opened, and
I was number three hundred thousand in the Q in
Ireland at seven to fifty five am on Saturday. Now, Heather,
I'm Irish. There's no way I know Ireland on a
Saturday morning.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
There's no way.

Speaker 27 (01:31:34):
There was three hundred thousand people awake on a Saturday
morning in Ireland looking for Oasis tickets just not possible.
So the end result anyway is it's developed into a
huge political round now about basically the exploitation of fans
and this dynamic pricing. The UK government's going to have
an investigation and the Irish government is going to have

(01:31:55):
an investigation. But in answer to your question, no, I
didn't get tickets. And you know what, it sounds incredible entitled.
I'm going to wait until a week before that gig,
and I guarantee if someone will say to me, oh,
I've got one at face value, because all my mates
can't go.

Speaker 15 (01:32:07):
That's why my plan?

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
Do you do you believe? Because I was just I was,
and there's probably not a bad plan, by the way,
and I was just reading about this. Apparently these guys
who were not naming Voldemort may have breached consumer price
laws because they didn't warn people about the dynamic ticket pricing,
which you apparently have to do. Did you get a warning?

Speaker 27 (01:32:25):
No warning whatsoever. And it's very clever what they do.
So you're in this queue and so I give us
five minutes and then I went running. I thought I'm
not wasting my Saturday staring at a screen here and
the numbers just ticking down every sixty seconds. It went
down by ten or twelve. I thought, three hundred thousandth
in a queue.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
This is just ridiculous.

Speaker 27 (01:32:43):
So this dynamic pricing, there was no warning about it.
So say you did manage to get to the option
of buying tickets, then suddenly you're confronted with this dynamic pricing. Oh,
the one hundred and fifty dollars standing ticket. Dynamic pricing
means it's now seven hundred and fifty dollars, And of
course people panic and do you know people will have
been saying, oh my god, it's my only chance to
see them whack it on a credit card and pay

(01:33:05):
it off month by month.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
It's outrageous what went on.

Speaker 27 (01:33:09):
I'm really disappointed in Liam and Noel Gallagher, and I
consider Nola friend. There's been no word from either of them,
and nothing worse, nothing annoys me more than seeing working
class people exploiting working class people.

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
Yeah, well, sid, how is the government going to crack
down on mobile phone phone taps?

Speaker 5 (01:33:28):
How do you do that?

Speaker 27 (01:33:29):
So the police are saying they can't arrest their way
out of this epidemic, and it is now epidemic levels.
I mean, I know so many people who go to
work in London who on a weekly basis are having
phones stolen. So you're seeing these guys in hoodies, mostly teenagers,
and they're on these electric scooters. People are getting out
their phone, they get lost, they're going on maps or whatever,

(01:33:51):
and the phone is whipped out of your hand in seconds. Now,
the stats that are out today on this are absolutely shocking.
Eighty thousand thefts of mobile phones reported in a year
almost and get this, less than one percent result in
a police charge. So you can forget about your phone goals.
And I'm just going to tell you a little personal story.

(01:34:12):
Friend of mine last Saturday in Soho Saturday evening in London,
three men came up to him, pulled a knife and
said hand over your phone. He had the phone open
so they don't need the pin.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Code, and I said, well, what happened?

Speaker 27 (01:34:24):
Then he said, well, he said them very quickly money
started going out with my bank account. They got into
his bank account, they were spending on his cards. He
had a crypto wallet. Now I don't even know what
that is, but apparently there's a lot of money in there.
They were trying to move his crypto and this all
happened inside about thirty minutes of the initial theft and
that so basically it's extremely organized. But in answer to

(01:34:47):
your question, the UK government are going to call in
the tech companies and demand that they put some function
to disable the phone so that it can't be sold
on afterwards.

Speaker 15 (01:34:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
So, I mean in the meantime, it feels like what
you should be avoiding is putting your credit cards or
your crypto wallets or in any of that kind of
stuff on your phone, right. It needs to be it
needs to be even if it's open, people can't give
you money.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 27 (01:35:12):
And I think my young lad's just gone into London.
It's the last day of the school holidays. He's sixteen
and he's a big lad. He's six foot four. Him
and his mate have gone into London today to go
buy T shirts apparently. And the last thing I said
to him was do not take your phone out in public.
It will go and that that's where we're at. That's
where we're at. So and I'm more wary. I mean,
I know so many people now it happens in a

(01:35:33):
second I've heard of people going into fast food takeaways
getting off of bus.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
We're so accustomed to Where am I? I'm lost.

Speaker 27 (01:35:41):
I don't know where this street is going on. I've
just had a text message. You get your phone out
and it is gone in less than seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:35:47):
Yeah, that's a very good point, Inda, thank you very much,
really appreciating about Into Brady, UK correspondent. I've got a
friend who's spending half the year in London at the
moment and is, you know, fabulously wealthy. And she was
saying to me that even in a nice pant town
like Mayfair and stuff like that, if she's wearing her
engagement or wedding ring, she turns it inside inside her
hand so all you can see from the outside is

(01:36:08):
just a gold band, and then the gigantic stone is
sitting on the inside of her hands so that people
don't know because they'll just rip it off her finger.
Doesn't wear a watch outside, doesn't wear jewelry outside, has
been warned by multiple people, multiple bounces, you know, the staff,
the security stuff sitting outside the hotels and stuff like that.
It's pretty crazy how brazen these thefts are at the moment.

(01:36:29):
Over there nine away from seven.

Speaker 5 (01:36:31):
Whether it's Macro, microbe or just plain economics.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen
and my HR, the HR platform for SME used TALKSIP
six away from seven.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
What about this email that came through just during the huddle,
Hither I listen to you every morning, love the show.
Now morning You're like, why is that? Because Tom is
listening from Ireland. If it wasn't for your strange accents,
you could swear you were listening to Irish radio. Have
all of the bullies, you have the cycle lanes, you
have the GP's bills, you've got ticket Master being dicks,

(01:37:04):
you've got government overspending, et cetera, et cetera. And then
he asked for my email address, and I was like, absolutely,
here you go. Why not if that's how easy it is,
he just charm me with something, give him an email address. Listen,
this is bizarre. H After fifty years, this week, it
sounds like authorities in Pennsylvania have finally solved a mystery
of a guy who died in a cave in Appalachia.

(01:37:24):
They didn't know who the sky was. The hikers found
his body in nineteen seventy seven, and from nineteen seventy
seven until now they did not know who he was,
couldn't tell who he was from his appearance or his clothing,
all the things he had in his bag. They took
us dental info. They also took his fingerprints, and then
they lost his dental info and they lost his fingerprints,

(01:37:45):
so all they had left was this really hideous sketch
of him. Now that we know who he is, it
actually like it was pretty good, pretty good sketch, but
like it was just a sketch who was like some
kid had drawn dude with long hair. Anyway, they couldn't
figure it out this whole time, and they kept coming
back to it now and again, and in twenty nineteen
they even exhumed him to check his dental records again
and it came to nothing. And then last month in August,

(01:38:07):
a Pennsylvania state trooper discovered his fingerprint card. Like he
was like, that's all make from the appalasia. So he
found the fingerprint card. This is the one they took
in nineteen seventy seven and lost. He sent it to
the National Missing Person System and in fifty three minutes
they figured out who it was in less than an hour.
The guy is a guy called Nicholas Grubb, who was

(01:38:28):
only twenty seven years old, came from Pennsylvania, had been
a member of the National Army, the Army National Guard
in Pennsylvania in the early seventies. Me got himself. He'd
had an incident with the cops a couple of years
before he died, which is why they had his fingerprint. Basically,
died of exposure, didn't have warm enough clothing, didn't have
any camping gear or food. He tried to start a
fire but it hadn't worked, so basically the snow came

(01:38:48):
in and he died. But imagine being the person who
lost his fingerprint card in nineteen seventy seven and all that,
and that would have solved it. And whoever that guy is,
I kind of hope he's not around for the story today.

Speaker 7 (01:39:01):
Ans believe by Share to play us out tonight. Apparently
Share is possibly going to be on the lineup for
Glastonbury Festival next year. Blush, yeah, there you go. Well, yeah,
it'll be Apparently have a thing called the Legends slot,
which I would argue is maybe half the glaston Brie
line up most of the time. But Yeah, So the
Sun has apparently got this from a source that she
has had meaningful discussions and she might do one or

(01:39:25):
two other UK shows while she's doing it. That would
be her first shows in the UK since twenty nineteen.
So you did another opportunity for Ticketmaster to put in
some dynamic pricing perhaps.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
And ants would you go and see share?

Speaker 7 (01:39:37):
Not in a million years.

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
But how good is the song?

Speaker 7 (01:39:41):
I look agree to disagree?

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
Here the pump it up ants? Here we go see tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Do you re you really.

Speaker 15 (01:40:09):
Happy?

Speaker 8 (01:40:10):
Something? Sir?

Speaker 9 (01:40:13):
Really?

Speaker 24 (01:40:18):
We relieve?

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
App feel something said?

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
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