Full Show Podcast: 03 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
ask the questions, get the answers, find a fack and
give the analysis. Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New
Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news dogs, there'd
be afternoon.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today, The man buying
our Fairies on the new Faery Deal, Australian Senator Lydia
Thorpe on why she wants to send the neo Nazi
back here, and Simon Watts on whether the NATS will
entertain pulling out of the Paris Climate Agreement.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Heather Duplicy Ellen, So, the.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Latest on Thomas Sewell, the New Zealand born neo Nazi,
is that more than forty thousand Australians have now signed
an online petition asking for him to be deported back
to New Zealand. Because over the last few days he's
got himself in a little bit of trouble, asn't he.
He's spoken at an anti immigration rally in Melbourne, he's
attacked people at an Aboriginal sovereignty camp, he's disrupted the
Victorian Premier Jason to Allen's press conference, and now he's

(00:54):
been arrested. So the petition calls for the revocation of
Thomas Sewell's Australians citizenship through a court authorized process based
on his violent extremist conduct and likely dual national nationality,
to which I say, are hard.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
I mean, listen to this guy. You hear him. He's
got an Australian accent. He refers to himself as an Australian.
He talks about taking our country back. He's not our problem,
he's their problem. I mean, the irony is not lost
on me that he's a migrant to Australia, raging against
migrants to Australia. But Australia created him. He went there
when he was a little kid. Australia needs to realize,
and this is the thing that I think they're going

(01:30):
to struggle with. They need to realize they cannot deport
their way out of their problems. They've got an enormous
problem with white supremacists and neo Nazis over there. I mean,
this guy, it turns out, was a Facebook friend once
upon a time of Brenton Tarrant's, who he apparently admires.
We're already dealing with Brenton Tarrant another one of Australia's
white supremacists. We don't need any more, thank you very much.

(01:51):
And sending this one over here is not going to
fix the problem because he is not the only one
that's over there. I mean, you might send him back,
but every other dude dressed in black who hangs out
with them is still gonna be over there, thankfully us,
thankfully for us. Rather, it's being reported that he is
an Australian citizen, which means that they cannot send him
back here without going through a long process. So most

(02:12):
likely I would say he stays where he belongs in Australia.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Heather due for see Ellen. Are you having.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
Two?

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Is the text number?

Speaker 6 (02:23):
Now?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Laser weapons, nuclear ballistic missiles, giant underwater drones. They are
among the weapons that have been unveiled at China's big
military parade today. Sounds cool like fifty thousand guests attended
Tianuman Square, including twenty six world leaders, and we've seen
China's Shuji Ping, Russias Vladimir Putin and North Koreas Kim

(02:46):
Jong un together for the first time. And geopolitical analyst
Jeffrey Miller is with us now.

Speaker 7 (02:50):
How Jeffrey, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
We are you impressed with all the weaponry?

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (02:55):
It is a real showcase, isn't it these military parades
that you get out of the like of Russia or China? Now,
you know, in terms of the symbolism, in terms of
the military hardware that's being put on show here, it
is quite something to watch. And it's either an impressive
show of military midor terrifying I guess, depending on what

(03:17):
side of the fence you sit on, but it is
certainly something worth watching. And those clips will of course
go around the globe on television screens, and that was
the aim of the plan really was to show off
what China has to offer in terms of its military strength.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Is there anything that the Americans will see there that
they didn't already know that the Chinese had?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
No?

Speaker 7 (03:38):
I don't very much that anyone is overly surprised at
what China has in the stockpile. There was a new
type of intercontinental ballistic missile. Had to look at the
coverage from the Australian newspaper and they're hyping that up
saying it could reach Australia. Well, yes, and theory lots
of things can do lots of things all around the world,

(03:59):
and we've done that for decad It's the nuclear stop
piles that both the United States and other great powers
have can destroy the world many times over. None of
that's new in a sense, but it is something to
see it all and being paraded in front of all
these guests who have come, particularly from the Global South,
and that's I guess what is particularly interesting about this

(04:21):
year's parade versus the ones say ten years ago, were
you actually had quite a few Western leaders in Western
representatives there. This time around, the guest list in terms
of the heads of state and heads of government was
very much funded towards the Global South and leaders in Asia, Africa,
Central Asia, former Soviet republics that were very heavily represented.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Why did they not invite anybody from our government?

Speaker 7 (04:47):
Well, I think this week has been all about the
Global South. For China, their assistant Foreign Minister when they
were announcing the events, both the summit of the Shanghai
Cooperation Organization in chian Jin, which is city in the
north of China, and the events today, the Assistant Foreign
Minister has said the Global South is reshaping the world landscape,

(05:08):
and I think that's really what the messaging has been
about this week. It's been about that unity of course
with Vladimir Putin, with Ninandramodi who was at that Seo summit,
and of course Kim Jong from the Supreme leader from
North Korea and all the other global South leaders. And
some of these leaders are coming from countries that New

(05:28):
Zealand is on good terms with. If you think of
the President of Vietnam, for example, or the Prime Minister
of Malaysia there there today. So these are countries and
as in in Southeast Asia, Christopher Luxon has visited both
Malaysia and Vietnam are quite recently, so they're not all
countries that New Zealand would see is beyond the pale

(05:49):
in a sense. Some of them are quite good friends
of the world is a complex place.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
What I want to know is leaving for example, Luxon
and Albanesi and so on off. The guest list is
designed to send a message, isn't it, which is in
a China shaped world, you are not our friends.

Speaker 7 (06:07):
I don't know whether it's as strong or as black
and white as that.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Wey, but not Luxon.

Speaker 7 (06:15):
Well, would Christopher Luxen be at the top of the
list for an event like this. I mean, you've only
got so many seats that you can have there, and
so manye you on the same minister.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
He's a current prime minister and then you've got two
former prime ministers there. Surely he would eclipse them, wouldn't he.

Speaker 7 (06:31):
Well, Look, I think Helen Clark and John Key probably
acquitted themselves quite well today, and I'm sure they upheld
New Zealand's representation at an official level. They were they're
representing New Zealand, if not the government, that was being
done by New Zealand's representatives at the embassy in Beijing.
But look, I think it's really important to engage with China.

(06:51):
And if an invitation had been sent to to Christopher
Luxe and I think he should have accepted it. But
in the fact, in the end he wasn't. He wasn't,
so that question didn't really need to be answered in
a sense. But I think it's really important to engage.
We need that dialogue and diplomacy and Jijingping today he
made that contrast, he said peace or war, dialogue or confrontation.

(07:16):
There was all that military hardware and then there are
eighty thousand doves that were released into the air, and
he's putting out the choices there for the world. And
I think in the end, the world be a lot
better if we had more peace and less war. So
I think you're in the end. It's going to take
everyone's efforts to achieve that. But he's showing look if
we don't have peace, look here's the alternative, and parading

(07:37):
all of this military hardware past Tiananmen Square.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Jeffrey, I really appreciate you expertise. Thank you, Jeffrey Miller,
geopolitical analyst. So Jijingping turned out well. I thought this
was interesting. Gesingping turned up in his mousedong outfit. He
normally wears a suit, but he decided a bit of
cosplay for the day, and Kim Jong Un, who normally
loves a bit of cosplay and is always dressing up
like his granddad, I decided to come in a western

(08:01):
suit today. So it was a reversal of things. Anyway,
there's heaps more that's come out of it, and I'll
run you through it shortly. Just want to quickly bring
you up to speed with his cousin Greg from Succession
Host like everybody's favorite character bad News in real life,
busted for drink driving. It happened at the past weekend.
It was the cops pulled over a vehicle. Yes, he
was a bit boozed, so he spent an hour in
county jail before he was released on the promise that

(08:22):
he will appear in court in about two weeks time.
There is unfortunately no mug shot because the police camera
was not working at the time.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
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Speaker 2 (08:39):
Heather, I've got two words for Australia, Brenton and Tarrant.
Fairpoint implication being if they want to send that neo
Nazi over here, will send their white supremacist right back
to them. Do a little, do a little, do a
little racist swap four eighteen good.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
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Speaker 2 (08:58):
Darcy Watergrave sports talk hosters. So that's Allo does Nelzellen
black Clash.

Speaker 8 (09:02):
Indeed, when seventeenth of jen I want to say, at
the top of my head, it's in excuse me, toad hunger.
Middle of January, peak summer season, when everyone's there, tickets
are on Saturday, and the way it sells out.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
How much is it?

Speaker 8 (09:17):
I got no idea actually, for two reasons, right, two reasons,
I don't remember that I'm not paying for sport. I'll
make someone else do it. It's my job, it's what
management do through there, they can do all that. And
second reason, as much fun as it is, I don't
want to drive to Todhunger for anything. Quite frankly, really
why it's a nightmare driving there?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Isn't it such a beautiful part?

Speaker 8 (09:39):
I know it is good or fly in, but it's
not the game. A lot of people celebrate the game.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
It's great.

Speaker 8 (09:46):
I love it, I'm all over it.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
But just watch it on Telly.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
No one won't watch it.

Speaker 8 (09:49):
It's got no weight to it, doesn't mean anything. I
watch so much sport hither through.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
That, so much to watch the serious I need.

Speaker 8 (09:56):
To watch stuff that is actually relevant to what I do.
So I mean, if it's I mean it is my
holiday as well. I'm in the middle of, you know,
taking a couple of weeks off so.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
You know the girlfriend here.

Speaker 9 (10:06):
But she is she is.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Indeed, Lord, you should have seen his face.

Speaker 8 (10:11):
For three weeks from station. But Michaels, Mister cricket is
over for it, and you got to think I think
is over here for it, Chris Gail, Brian Lara. So
they definitely roll out the sporting superstars, and I can
get why people climb and they want to see the
likes of Karen Reid and these guys play. And I

(10:33):
say it often and you kind of like count direct
to me before, But sport's far too important to be
taken seriously.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
It's like watching Carmel Czipploni on Treasure Island or something,
do you know.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
What I mean?

Speaker 8 (10:44):
Yeah's bleiss. But Mike Cassie great draw card. You want
to hear from Listen to the show tonight because I
got to chat to him.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Now we're going to find out tomorrow what's going on
with the half back question? Yeah, what's the latest song
called Wow?

Speaker 8 (11:00):
If he's training, he's good to play, right, That's just
the latest mention I've heard. I canvass a lot of
people not only in the office but around about to
try and find out what are you doing with a
half back?

Speaker 2 (11:11):
But does he You can't just run him out if
he's sort of like seventy five percent because the Springboks
are big boys, and they're going to come for him
and they're going to smash him to bits and then
you're going to lose him for weeks.

Speaker 8 (11:22):
Well, if it's a broken rum or a broken stern
and you don't want to get anywhere near him. But
apparently it's not that they're all broken. I can't remember
who's got it.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
You got to be sure.

Speaker 8 (11:33):
They won't roll him out if he's not.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Are we going to lose this test?

Speaker 8 (11:37):
Possibly?

Speaker 10 (11:40):
Well, I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
To a yellow jersey.

Speaker 8 (11:43):
Now I love that, and I go, wow, there's a
really good chance. You say all the pressures on the
All Blacks, but I almost think there's more pressure on
the spring Box because everybody speaks them to roll through us.
So they're going over and this is our best chance.
I'll tell you boys, thirty one years all them and
if it doesn't work, they'll be absolutely crestfallen. So I

(12:05):
think there's a lot of pressure. Tomorrow the team is
being named and I think that there's been a conservative
nature from Scott Robinson since he has been the coach.
I don't expect major changes. I think if they are
going to make major changes, here is such an important match.
All of that prep work they've done, all of that

(12:26):
continuity that they've engaged in with these players is thrown out,
baby bathwater. It's all gone. I think you've been nuts
to it. There will be minimal changes, and that's going
to come back and punch me in the nose tomorrow morning.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Darcy, I appreciate your time, make Harse, I appreciate seven
o'clock to night sports talk. That's Darcy water Grave for
twenty two.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
The day's newspakers talk to Heather.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
First, Heather do for the Ellen Drive with One New
Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news talks be.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Heither does Helen Clark still think we live in a
benign environment, benign strategic environment? Well, I'm not sure. I'll
tell you what. Helen actually cut a fine figure over there.
There's a photograph of her gripping old Jiji Ping's hand.
She's got him, She's still got that, She's still got
that prime ministerial power move. But what she also rolled
in with was a plastic envelope. Like that was her
clutch bag was a plastic envelope. And when I say that,

(13:18):
are you gonna think it's like one of those Manilla
ones that you just get, you know, like when the
lawyer drops you off some documents. It's not one of those,
like it's a proper zip up jobby, but you could
see everything in her hand. I just thought it was
one of it. She's just come from the airport and
she's put it all into the tray at the scanner
and she's whipped it out and she's gone off to
Sigi and she hasn't changed her clutch. The other thing
that I don't know how I missed this yesterday, but

(13:40):
there is a video online of Narendra Mody and Vladimir
Putin holding hands. They're walking into a crowd of people
and Mody's got him by the hand like you would
carry like like you've got your girlfriend by the hand.
That is a Mody power move because Mody, you can
see he's cool with holding hand. It looks like a
nice warm do you know what I mean? He's holding hands.

(14:01):
But if there's one thing we know about vlad he's
cold and he doesn't come near you unless he's going
to physically assault you type thing, you know what I mean,
Because he's like, you know, he's the guy who rides
horses without a top on anyway, I feel. And he's
also a germophobe, so that would have been an excruciating
moment of romance for him. But it's there for us
to enjoy. Four twenty six, Heather, do for sea. All
I'm happy to tell you has has made us has

(14:23):
We've got a bit of progress on the fairy deal.
Government has chosen the shipyard that's going to build the
two fairies. But that's that's all. That's it. We've chosen
the ship out. It's taken us two years, almost two
years from the minute we canceled those fairies to get
to this point, but we've chosen one. Anyway, we're not
allowed to know who they are. We haven't finalized the
deal yet. We've only signed the letter of intent, which

(14:45):
means now we go into the technical negotiations. I haven't
even started to tell you about the costs that's associated
with this, but I will get to that and we're
going to talk to them after five o'clock. Jeez, brace
yourself because it's clearly going to be a long process. Heather,
you were the one who wanted this all black coach,
so beat on your head if they lose listen, put

(15:08):
a circle around that. If we lose this weekend to
the spring Box, we're going to have a chat. We're
gonna have a bag old chat about razor. But we'll
talk about it then and only if it happens. Headlines,
Next person, where.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Person the name you trust to get the answers you need.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else us talk.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
There'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Barrysopa's going to be with us in ten minutes time.
Got Jonathan Kursley standing by in the US for us.
Hither there is a pro assess and building ships. Don't
be so frigging childish. Some days you was so frustrating
some days, Mark, some days. That's not what my husband says.
He says all days, Yeah, whatever, Mark, whatever. Look at

(16:15):
look at the case of the Blue Bridge. Those guys
got sign off from their board in December and they
had a boat on the water, bought at They had
gone out scoped for it. They had they had gone around,
looked where should we buy a boat, found a boat,
bought the boat, got the boat over here, which took
about seven thousand years because they sailed it down from
Europe and it was here. When was it here? Beaty?
Was it here in August? August? I think they got

(16:37):
the little water cannons out in Wellington, you know, like
what was that? There was like an eight month from
start to finish, where a two years, mate, two years
and don't let me even start on the In fact
I will. That's the bit of paper. That's the bit
of paper with the costs on it. Now you're asking
for it, Mark, I'm going to read that to you
at some stage to stand by for that. That'll make
it more frustrating. Twenty four away from five.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
It's the world wires on newstalks.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
They'd be drive July July seven months Jijin, King, Vladimir Potent,
Kim Jong un, they've all met in person for the
first time ever, at least as far as we know.
At China's massive military parade. It sounded exactly like what
you would expect the Chinese military parade to sound like.

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There were also a range of new and terrifying looking
weapons that have been put on display as part of
the parade. Now over in the US, Trump has announced
the US Space Command headquarters are going to move to Alabama.
He planned to move it during his first term, but
then Biden kept it in Colorado, and to mark the occasion,
Trump has renamed the new location.

Speaker 11 (17:38):
Space Command Headquarters will move to the beautiful locale of
a place called Huntsville, Alabama, forever to be known from
this point forward as Rocket City.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Bring to it. And finally, a bit of a mystery
at the White House. A video has been doing the
rounds online, apparently showing a bunch of random stuff to
been thrown out of the top floor windows and onto
the lawn. Trump says it's fake news.

Speaker 12 (18:04):
Actually, you can't open the windows, you know why. They're
all heavily armored in bulletproof. In fact, my wife was
complaining about it the other day. She said, love to
have a little fresh air come in, but you can't the.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
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Speaker 2 (18:24):
Jonathan Kursley Channel nine US correspondents with US Hello Jonathan Heather.

Speaker 13 (18:29):
Hello to you and all our wonderful friends are on
the other side of the world.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Right, So what does Trump think of that big parade?

Speaker 14 (18:34):
Then, well, he took the truth social even essentially before
it started, saying that he believed that Chi Jinping, Vladimir Putin,
and Kim Johnan were conspiring against America.

Speaker 13 (18:47):
He wished them a glorious day to celebrate what China
sees that their is the eightieth anniversary at the end
of its involvement in the Second World War defeating Japan,
and essentially hit out at the three dictators chief if
you like, and the images are going around the world,
Vladimir Putin, Shijingping, and Kim Jong Owen essentially standing inside

(19:08):
Tiannaman Square, the Great Hall of the People, looking out
over the parade of Chinese military. You spoke about.

Speaker 14 (19:14):
Some of the army were there. It was an extraordinary
display of military.

Speaker 13 (19:17):
Might, undersea vehicles, high tech aircraft, unmanned drones, unmanned planes,
unmanned almost everything you can imagine, and then the loyalty
of the Chinese army on absolute full display. It was
a message that the President of the United States would
have been watching very very closely. No doubt, we'll hear
a little bit more from him on his full reaction

(19:39):
to it tomorrow, but at least his initial reaction was
to say, you three, you're conspiring against me.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
He thinks it's funny people thought he was dead. Eh.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (19:48):
He seemed to sort of pretend as though he.

Speaker 15 (19:50):
Had absolutely no idea what the online speculation was, and
places like x and Facebook were filled with speculation over
the weekend, he wasn't well that perhaps he may have
and passed away.

Speaker 13 (20:00):
And he was asked this question today. The exact wording
of the question was how did you find out you
were dead? And he kind of responded by sort of suggesting,
I never really heard about that, And I said, yeah,
I did hear about it. But look, you know, I'm
perfectly fine. He says he was very active over the weekend,
says he went to his golf club, that he was
very active on truth social which of course he was,

(20:22):
but largely it was fueled by a public absence, if
you like, and the longest public absence for him of
this term in front of a television camera.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
It was a week ago.

Speaker 13 (20:31):
He fronted cameras for three hours seventeen minutes or so
at a cabinet meeting and then seemingly disappeared. And the
online Twitterati or ex Airati or facebook arati, whatever you
want to call them these days, seemed to do what
the internet does and that is fuel the speculation, and
he sort of really hosed that down today.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Now, we were joking with you about how much you
love Taite and Travis.

Speaker 13 (20:53):
Oh yeah, but the world loves her, doesn't.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
I it will? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:56):
But am I right? And did you meet him?

Speaker 16 (20:59):
Ah?

Speaker 13 (21:00):
Yeah, we might have had a little large association, if
you like, with Travis Kelsey. A couple of days ago,
I was in Kansas City, Missouri, to cover an Australian
football playing college football and was standing inside Kansas City's
Arrowhead Stadium, the home of the Kansas City Chiefs, and
sure enough, in walked Travis Kelsey himself, alongside his brother Jason,
asked him a question how he was doing, wished him congratulations,

(21:22):
tried to talk to him about whether he might consider
Australia or even perhaps New Zealand as the destination for
the wedding. But yeah, it was a very very brief
conversation between Travis and I. He swiftly moved on. I
was almost pumped into his brother Jason, and then up.
Travis proceeded to the corporate suite to sit alongside his
new fiance Taylor Swift, who was there. Were all smiles

(21:45):
for most of the game, or at least part of
the game anyway. And I have no doubt they'll be
back at Arrowhead Stadium in a couple of weeks time,
when Travis takes to the field himself, this time for
the Kansas City Chiefs against the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Jonathan, everything you've ever lived for, thank you for It's
like we were there. I really appreciate that, Jonathan Keresley,
Channel nine US correspondent. You just feel like you were
in that room with them, almost bumping into Jason nineteen
away from.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Five Heller Dooper. See Allen.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
You know Mike Joy, the freshwater science go You know,
the one who always pops up and he's like, this
water is not clean enough. You know that one. It's
gone on LinkedIn and he has suggested dairy industry leaders
should be hanged. I'm not making it up. Let me
give you the direct quote quote. Minnie Dean was hung
for killing babies in Southland. But our dairy industry is
currently putting babies, brackets and adults clothed brackets at risk

(22:34):
with nitrate contamination of drinking slash groundwater. How about we
bring back hanging for industry CEOs. Now you don't need
me to tell you that that is completely out of
hand and that somebody as intelligent and respected as Mike
Joy should be maybe staying off the glass of red
wine and posting stuff like that. And I hope that

(22:54):
everybody who flipped out about the news being outside of
the parliamentary protest went on and on about how women
in politics face more extreme language and hatred and blah
blah blah. I hope they flip out about this just
as much, but of course they won't because it's not
convenient to flip out on behalf of I don't know
Myles Hurrel anyway, Victoria University of Wellington might want to
have a little chat to Mike about this, because I

(23:15):
think we can all agree that Mike needs to be
more responsible, doesn't he. Seventeen away from.

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Speaker 2 (23:25):
Listen, I've got to tell you about the New Zealand
first Act online battle that's going on, but right now,
first we'll deal with Barry Sopert's Quarter two Barry Soper
Senior Political correspondence with us Alo Berry. Good afternoon, has So,
Penny Nada, you were right, does actually appear to want
the leadership.

Speaker 10 (23:38):
Well, yes, it's interesting, isn't it that he keeps sort
of batting it away as Winston Peters was wont to
do when he was the MP for Taro.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
But he doesn't.

Speaker 10 (23:50):
Well, he's got to be the MP for Tomache Mikodo
first before he can probably become the leader of the
Labor Party. But I can tell you I have but
I'm very good authority. It's impeccable authority that he has
touted himself as a future leader of the Labor Party.
So you know, this man is driven by what he

(24:11):
sees himself in the future as being is leading the
Labor Party, which I doubt in the current climate he
would get to leave.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Why tell me why? Because can I can? I we
got into you weren't listening, but we got into a
hole on the huddle yesterday where we started talking about
who would lead Labor if Chippy was rolled, which is
an inevitability at some stage, Yes, and we were picking winners.
Why can't it be Penny He's got the backing. I
would have thought of Willie Jackson, who's got a lot
of clouds on the Labor Party.

Speaker 10 (24:40):
Yeah, look, PENI Henar is a really nice man. I
personally like him. But you know it's and this They'll
say I'm racist. Will he calls me a racist all
the time anyway. But I think at the moment, given
the current climate, for Labor to get on the track
of electing Penny Henare as their leader would be a

(25:00):
big problem for them when you've got the mad carping
from the sideline.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
But surely it neutralizes the Maori party and you've got
the person who become the first could become the first
Maori Prime Minister of the country.

Speaker 10 (25:12):
I don't know whether the public would warm to that idea,
but look early in twenty twenty four, just after Labour's defeat,
he know they told Q and A he was asked
often about becoming the Labor leader.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, people do ask me sort of, maybe every once
a week or twice week. Maybe a lot of fun,
often a lot of fun. But look, I appreciate I've
been in politics now for coming up ten years. I
consider myself a senior member of the Labor Party. But
as I've always maintained, I support Chrussipkins. We've got a
lot of work to do as a party for me. Look,

(25:46):
I'm like I said, I consider myself a senior leader
in our team, and I'll be there to play my partner.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, I'll bet now part You were not suggesting before
that the public wouldn't warm to having a Marii prime minister,
were you?

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (25:58):
I was because of what's been going on in Parliament,
and certainly Willie Jackson doesn't endare yourself to having a
Maldi leader. Neither, I would imagine, unfortunately, would Penny.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I would have thought that Penny's biggest problem actually is
that he comes up with wacky policies like one.

Speaker 10 (26:17):
Of the Jane patches back then. That's making policy on
the hoof, isn't it when it comes to a barlection.
I don't know whether he gave a great deal of
thought to that.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Well he doubled down on it. Well, yes, so he's
maybe a bit radical for people.

Speaker 10 (26:31):
Yeah, I just don't think the public would warm too.

Speaker 17 (26:35):
Being the leader.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
All right, now, what did you make of those those
tanks and drones?

Speaker 10 (26:40):
Well, you know, I thought the point to the Political
scientist earlier that well I wasn't New Zealand invited. I mean,
we had John Key and Helen Clark there and it
was Helen Clark's government, which of course negotiated the free
trade agreement with China, the first with the West, and
John Key had the good fortune of coming into power

(27:01):
in two thousand and eight during the global financial crisis,
but right at the time that we were getting the
benefits of the Chinese Free Trade Agreement, so you know,
he can be thankful for that. And I thought it
was good that they were both there. But look, I
think New Zealand has seen as being embraced more by America.
And interestingly, Winston Peters is an extraordinarily good foreign minister.

(27:26):
But when he was Foreign Minister Helen Clark, the signing
of that agreement, he raised eyebrows in Beijing. I was
there by not being there at the signing ceremony, so
you know they will look at that as well and
see that you know, our foreign minister is Winston Peters.
I'm not saying they wouldn't issue an invitation because of that,
but you know, it is to me quite interesting why

(27:49):
we weren't invited in that military parade. What a magnificent
spectacle that was.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
I mean, it was absolutely we won't be saying that
when it's aimed at Taiwan. Well, you know that's right,
it's magnificent.

Speaker 10 (28:01):
You know, barriers was set up for the locals. You
couldn't watch it. And I've been to tinem And Square
on a number of occasions and they were kept a
block back and all they could say it was on
livestream television. And they they released eighty thousand pigeons, eighty
thousand balloons. You can imagine what Beijing must have been like.

(28:22):
It must have been an absolute spectacle.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Barry, were they doves? They were between doves and pigeons,
I know.

Speaker 10 (28:29):
But no, I've been told they were pigeons together.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
They were doves, like peace doves. We're gonna check this
fact because this is not flying rats.

Speaker 10 (28:38):
Well I've been misinformed.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
If they were doves, very really quickly tell me what's
happened here with Seymour versus Swarbrick.

Speaker 10 (28:45):
Well, it'll be really quick because I've missed Chloe Swarbrick
this week and then I got my fizz this morning
when she was debating David Seymour on the foreign buyers
once again being allowed to buy top end houses in
this country. Seymour clearly got under her wick when he
was lauding the policy of a listen.

Speaker 18 (29:05):
Two days ago, I was down just here in the
Auckland CBD. I was with a couple of businesses.

Speaker 19 (29:12):
That have a number of homelessness homelessness.

Speaker 18 (29:16):
This is the investment that we're talking about, right, Some
of these people they say, look, actually I want to
come to New Zealand a bit more long term. I
think I might invest in a few more businesses. I
might do some philanthropy and conservation. Then you say, okay, well,
you know, maybe maybe you'd like to buy a home.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Now.

Speaker 18 (29:30):
If I was in the opposition right now, this is
one where I'd actually say no, no, that one's good.

Speaker 13 (29:34):
I'm going to welcome that.

Speaker 18 (29:35):
But as we've just heard, we've just got this reflex
of SoundBite politics that ain't taking anyone anywhere.

Speaker 19 (29:40):
This is about the kind of economy that we get
to choose to create the conditions of as politicians. That
is not sustainable, It is not fair, and it is
not the old edo in New Zealand that I believe
most New Zealanders believe in.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
So there, mister Barry, thank you very much, very so
for senior political correspondence. He's away from five.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Question to the Newspeakers the mic Asking.

Speaker 20 (30:02):
Breakfast Paris climbed to court under real pressure internationally, Trump's
out act here. I want ahead in a similar direction.
Andrew Hoggett is, of course the Associate Minister of Bagon Environment.
If you just take it on factually, can we get
there the accord losers.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
Trying to do all this is just costing his jolling
far too much, and energy prices, farmland being gobbled up
by pine trees, or such a small part of the
world's and missions, and seem to be one of the
few countries trying to be puer than pure. And I
think I need a bit more realistic about it. We've
got the world's most efficient farmers, We've got a lot
of renewable energy. Let's not beat ourselves to death over
being some sort of sacrificial guinea.

Speaker 20 (30:36):
Pick back tomorrow at six am the mic husking Breakfast
with Mayley's Real Estate Newstalk zb either.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
I don't believe the public wouldn't want Penny Henae because
he's Maori. It's more because of the potential radical side
and the ties to Jackson. I think that's what Barry
was trying to say. Hugh, thank you for that here.
The pigeons are doves, just a different type MJW. Thank
you very much. Everybody's reporting doves except for the New
York Times who are reporting pigeons. But it is what
it is, how you choose to see it, isn't it.

(31:03):
It's like if you're like, oh, look at how nice
Jinping is, then you're like, oh, look at stoves. And
if you're like, mmm, look at Jijingpang, he just released
a bunch of flying rats. You can call it what
you like. Four away from five. Now, this is what's
going on, Okay, New Zealand. First, an Act of battling
it out on social media right now about who came
up with the idea first to pull out of the
Paris agreement. So Winston posts he Act announced it yesterday morning.

(31:26):
Then Winston posted, yesterday afternoon on social media, we don't
mind other parties agreeing with our policy stants we announced
back in March. Common sense is catchy and after all,
imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. So then
Act replied to his message with a screenshot of a
Herald story from the third of feb which is earlier
than March, quoting David Seymour as having floated the idea,

(31:46):
and then New Zealand First replies to their reply with
a screenshot of the platform, you know, the media outlet
from the thirty first of January where Winston is floating
the idea. But now, to be fair, I'm gonna call
this one Mummy coming into arbitrate. I'm gonna call this
one for ACT because I know that they've both been
floating the idea, and technically New Zealand First is still

(32:07):
floating the idea, and I know that behind the scenes
there have been representations to New Zealand First they've been
encouraged to choose this as one of the things that
they're going to run their campaign on, but they haven't
actually yet chosen it. Well bumma, because ACT did choose
it and then ACT went public with it. So New
Zealand First got kazumpt. Anyway, let's talk about the fairies next,
and then after that Lydia Thorpe. Yeah, she's a bit

(32:33):
cokay from Australia and so we're just all going to
we're just gonna hear her out on this. She wants
to send the neo Nazi back here. So anyway, that'll
be interesting. Stand by newstook ZB.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
It's Heather duper c l and drive with one New
Zealand to coverage like no one else newsork Vy afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
We've got progress on the cook Straight ferries. The government
has chosen a shipyard to build them, but it's keeping
which one a secret. Chris McKenzie is the chair of
Ferry Holdings Limited, which is in charge of buying the
fairies and is with us.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Hey, Chris, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Hey, congratulations. Are more negotiations to do though.

Speaker 21 (33:29):
Yes, this is a letter of intent, which means that
we've identified the shipyard out of the six that we're
in that final group. We now enter into a period
of technical negotiations. So we've agreed a fixed price for
the boat. We now negotiate what's inside that boat, you know,

(33:51):
arrangements even down to what sort of sinks we have
in the kitchens and what have you, and then a
final contract will be signed for the building before the
end of the year.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Is it going to be rail enabled?

Speaker 5 (34:04):
It is.

Speaker 21 (34:05):
It is rail enabled, which means that a shunting engine
pushes wagons onto the ferry. Just as the ratary, but
if there's no rail wagons, particularly at holiday period, then
it's compatible and it can be used as a ropax ferry,
so it's flexible.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Have you got a deal? Do you reckon? It's a bargain?

Speaker 21 (34:32):
Look, we have worked hard. We've put a lot of
pressure on a lot of people, both in ferry holdings
and the contractors and consultants we've had. We have got
what we consider to be the best deal that we could.
It is within the budget that the government has given us.
The Minister will say more on that, So I think

(34:57):
we have got the best bargain that we could at this.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Point, how long before we actually know all the details.

Speaker 21 (35:04):
The details will be known. I would suspect that the
Minister will like to make an announcement, probably towards the
end of November in December. Okay, We've got a process
of six weeks now where our people will be at
whatever board shipyard that we have chosen. They will come back.

(35:26):
The Board will then consider what they bring back to us.
We will then write a report for ministers and the
ministers will agree, at which point there will then be
a contact signed at the shipyard and the Minister in
the meantime, we'll make whatever announcements that he thinks is
appropriate at the time.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Brilliant, Chris, Thank you very much.

Speaker 21 (35:46):
That's actually not driven by us.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, okay, now look I know how that works. Thank
you very much, Chris. Good luck with everything and well
done so far. Chris Mackenzie, Chair of Ferry Holdings Limited.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Heather du for Cy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
To the case of that Australian neo nazi Thomas Sewell
who rested yesterday. There's now a petition online with over
fifty thousand. In fact, it's close to sixty thousand signatures
calling for him to be deported back to his birth
country of New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (36:08):
Now.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Lydia Thorpe is an independent Australian senator for the state of
Victoria and with US. Hey, Lydia, Hello Heva, thanks for
having Menia, Thanks welcome back to the show. Now you
want him to port it, do you?

Speaker 22 (36:19):
I don't think that that is the answer, to be honest,
there is a problem with white supremacy in this country
and that's what we need to be dealing with. I
understand that the people signing that petition want action. They
want some kind of action, and that is because we
have a federal government that have said nothing about this.

(36:42):
The Prime Minister Anthony Albanizi has said nothing. This is
the hate crime and I'm calling on the Federal Parliament
to address it as a hate crime from the Australian
Federal Police. I don't think sending a white supremacist to
my brothers and sisters, my Marti brothers and sisters of

(37:03):
Atier Row are is going to solve anything here because
you know it's one Nazi. There's plenty more where that
comes from. And we need to address the absolute racism
that is rife in this country.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Literally, Wow, thank you. I'm really grateful because I was
really I really don't want them to come here either. Listen,
what is the situation with you people?

Speaker 6 (37:25):
Though?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Why have you got so many neo Nazis over there?

Speaker 22 (37:29):
Well, they've always been here. I mean since invasion, we've
been dealing with white supremacy and you know we see
that in the Parliament, the Federal Parliament. The racism that
particularly black and brown people have to deal.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
With is every days something else. I mean, this guy's
going around punching people and you know, doing weird stuff
and hire Australia and stuff. Where's this where's all this
radical stuff come from?

Speaker 22 (37:55):
Well, it's the very foundation of this so called great nation.
You know, it might be great for some, but it's
not great for us. We're the poorest, sickest people in
our own country and white supremacy has been a longstanding problem.
I myself, since I entered politics, have been subjected to

(38:16):
neo Nazi threats, neo Nazi violence, and they have been
on top of the list for the Australian Federal Police
for many years. It's just not taken seriously and usually
it's just swept under the carpet with a slap on
the wrist, like what we're.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Seeing right now.

Speaker 22 (38:37):
And that's just the racism that still exists in this country, unfortunately,
and that's what needs to be addressed.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Lydia, thank you for talking to us. Lydia Thorpe, Independent
Senator for Victoria. Didn't think we'd be agreeing with Lydia there.
Didn't we five point thirteen either.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Dup c LA.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Listen, this is a problem with you know what the
nags are? A you know the nangs. If you don't
know what the nags are, asked the kids nearby, they'll
tell you. What the nags are. There's a problem. I'm
going to update you on that shortly. I've got to
tell you this. This is just broken in the news
in Australia. A kid, a toddler, a toddler from daycare
in Sydney has gone missing for four hours because the
granddad took the wrong baby home. The granddad took the

(39:14):
wrong baby home. He went to pick the baby up.
They were all asleep in the baby sleeping room, picked
up the picked up we won, didn't see it was
the wrong we won, took we one home, put we
one in the car seat, fiddled around in the car seat.
You know what the car seats like. He was distracted
by the car seats, so he didn't look down and go, oh, geez,
that's not my baby. Anyway, I knows, oh, got the
car seat, took baby home, baby was sleeping four hours.

(39:39):
Did not know that's not your child that you've taken home.
What happened was the center, the center. Eventually like that
baby's mum came to pick him up and was's my baby,
And so they had to go through it as terrifying
they had to go through. It's funny now, but it
wasn't at the time or was it. They had to
go through the CCTV and they saw granddad nicking him,

(40:00):
so they called granddad and grandma and they were like,
you've taken the wrong baby. And only at that point
did he go and have a loco mill like, oh,
it's not my grandchild. Same here. Apparently that was and
that was same hare. That was the problem. Fourteen past five.
I could get yourself or get ready really to get
yourself by the phone or get online, because the following

(40:20):
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it's available exclusively at the Good Wine Code. That is
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(40:40):
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Saven Your Block twenty twenty four and the quality that
you're getting here for a Marlborough Savy for just ten
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(41:01):
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double six to two ever do for c Ellens eighteen

(41:25):
past five. Now a bit of a worry about the
latest development with the nangs. You know what I'm talking about?
Those silver those small silver cream charges which have got
the drug nitrous oxide in them. They have now being
sold in huge bottles of three point three liters, which
is about three hundred of those little canisters. Chair of
the manyere were local board. Matt Winnie utters with us. Now,
hey Matt, hi, even how are you? I'm very well.

(41:47):
Thank you. Who's selling them in these big bottles?

Speaker 23 (41:49):
Ah, that's what I'd like to know. I've got no idea.
We've been trying to look around, but that's the worry
at the moment. I know that they're available online, but
as they're getting in the hands of our youth in
some way, and that's what's what we're trying to find out.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
How do you know this is happening.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Well, I've spent a.

Speaker 23 (42:09):
Lot of time out and about in the community and
I just just happened to be outdoor knocking one day
and found one and thought, okay, well I have to
I'll have to come back with the car and grab that.
And then it was It was a Saturday, a couple
of weekends ago or Saturday week ago between, on a
ten minute drive and the only reason it took ten minutes.
It would have been quicker, but I had to stop

(42:30):
and pick these things up. I came across another nine
of them, and then Saturday just gone, yeah, yeah, as
you would expect. You know, people see these things on
the side of the road, like the smaller nangs, you know,
that seemed to be quite common. The nangs have grown up,
they've graduated high school and they've they've sent themselves out

(42:50):
into the world and these larger things which are an
absolute travesty. So it was Saturday. I was just happen
to be driving down Coxhead Road, which wasn't too far
from the local playground the dale, and I came across
the larger one and I just I craped myself, was like,
what are the kids in the community doing to themselves

(43:10):
and the such a large delivery device to replace the.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Smaller angs as.

Speaker 23 (43:16):
As I don't know, I don't know what to say,
but needless to say, I approached Dr Grant Hewison. He
is the legal advice for the DLC District Licensing Committee
which I'm the lead on at the money of your
local board, and he said they get it to a
regulatory meeting, which just happened to be yesterday, so there

(43:36):
was some pace that we needed to follow to get
that across.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, okay, I'm glad you're dealing with it. Hey, thanks
very much, Matt. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (43:42):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
When he asked the chair of the MONYERI a local
board here, the granddad taking the wrong baby home is
a good ad for Specsavers. I don't know what. It's
a It seems like a deeper problem there, doesn't it
Either of food production is not meant to be affected
by the Paris Accords. And why is it seemingly that
in this country farmers are by far the most penalized

(44:03):
by us being in the accords. It's a very good question,
Cam and I don't know if anybody's ever answered it.
And we're going to have a chat to Matt Wat
Simon Watts. He's the Climate Change Minister, but more importantly
he's a National Party member because Act once out of it.
New Zealand first one's out of it. So where does
he stand on it? He's with us after six. It's
five to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
Drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
Mobile News Talks endb Heather.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
It's possible that those large nitrous bottles are actually used
in high performance cars, as in drag cars for a
power boost. Steve, thank you, five twenty four. Now we
need to talk about that Amazon announcement yesterday. These guys
have taken us for fools, ah in this country. They've
looked at us in New Zealand and they've gone, let's
take these guys for fulls. That's seven and a half
billion dollars. Wasn't new. It was already announced by Justinda

(44:54):
four years ago. It's not even actually a convincing number
because it looks like what they've done here has included
their power bills. Now, power bills are not an investment,
they are an operating cost. The thousand jobs that Amazon
now tells us that they're supporting also looks questionable. It
looks like they've included people who already work in the
electricity sector, and some say the real number is more

(45:14):
likely a few dozen jobs. Amazons not building anything. All
the data centers they tell us are now live have
actually been built by other companies, which means that you
could argue that they haven't actually added anything material to
the New Zealand economy, because if they didn't use those
existing data centers, someone else were just to be using
those existing data centers. In fact, you could argue that
Amazon running those data centers is actually not the best

(45:37):
outcome for New Zealand, because Amazon does not pay tax
on all of their revenue here, which means if another
local company use those data centers and paid full tax
like they do, we'd all be better off, would be
better off than Amazon using the centers and then sending
hundreds of millions of dollars overseas like Google and Facebook do. Now,
being critical of that announcement by Amazon yesterday is not

(46:00):
the same as being ungrateful for the good that they're doing.
I think you should interrogate an announcement just a little
bit more than simply taking it at face value, because
that is what Amazon wants you to do. They want
to play us for fools. They want to make us
believe that they're doing good when what they're actually doing
is just making money of us.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
And that's fair.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I don't mind them making money off us. They're a business,
we're customers. But let's see it for what it is.
Let's not be grateful for them doing business. I still
like Amazon's product, but to be honest with you, like
a little bit less than I did yesterday when they
assumed that this country was full of stupid people who
would just simply believe anything.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Heather Doopers, the Ala, you talk about that with the heart.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
All they're going to be with us. Who have we
got today? Jack Tame, Jordan Williams or coming at it
from both sides. Good news for Cardi B. If you've
been following this like the show has Cardi B. The
rapper has been found not guilty of assaulting her former
security guard. But the bad news is that as soon
as Cardi B got out of court, she threw a
pen at a journalist for asking her this question about

(46:56):
her pregnancy.

Speaker 14 (46:57):
Hey guy, you're beautiful.

Speaker 10 (46:59):
Thank you insiders and claiming that I'll set it's publicly
bragging about getting you pregnant for the fourth time.

Speaker 24 (47:06):
No disrespecting me.

Speaker 25 (47:08):
Don't disrespect me.

Speaker 14 (47:09):
I still love you, even though you just threw some
stuff at me.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Okay, thankful, don't do that? Did you the sound of
the pendld as it flew into him. She also gave
some sessy lip.

Speaker 24 (47:20):
But I'm giving a warning. I am not that celebt
that you're gonna see and you think it's gonna settle.
I'm not gonna settle, especially when I'm super completely innocent.
I know I got a little I know I got
a little reputation, but I swear to God, I'm I
swear to God. I did like like like, I'm really innocent.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
For real, I'm really innocent, but I threw a pen
at you, so I don't have any anger management issues anyway.
She's lucky that he loves her, that you're still beautiful.
I still love you anyway. Listen, we're gonna talk this
matter of Shane Christy, which we've talked about on the
show earlier this week. It now turns out this is
the rugby player who died possibly with CTE from the concussion.

(47:58):
Turns out there was a report on him which he
ended up New Zealand Rugby had done, but which they
refused to release, which they get he wasn't allowed to release.
He gave it to David Fisher, one of the reporters
at the Herald, told David he could only release it
when he died, which has now happened today. So we'll
talk to Fish next. Headlines as well.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
It's Heather defic Cy Ellen drive with one New Zealand
coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 26 (48:34):
They'd be said right.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Just to reminder, Simon Watt's National Party Minister of Climate
Changes with us after six o'clock on the Paris Accord
and we've got the boys standing by for the huddle,
Jack tam and Jordan Williams. It's twenty five away from
six now. It turns out New Zealand Rugby commissioned to
report into players with head injuries all the way back
in twenty nineteen. And this report include did the late
rugby star Shane Christy and his concussion care? But the

(49:04):
thing is they kept it a secret and even he
wasn't allowed to share it before his death. He gave
it to the Herald and told the Herald only to
release it if he died. The reporter who dealt with
it was Harold investigative journalist David Fisher.

Speaker 6 (49:15):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
David Hi, why was it kept secret?

Speaker 5 (49:19):
The report, when it was originally done, was done on
the basis of confidentiality, which was something that Shane had
agreed to. This was a report that looked at how
he had been treated for his concussion symptoms over the
time that he had been involved with indeed rugby. But
there was the second part to the report that Shane believed,
once he'd seen the finished copy, didn't need to be confidential,

(49:43):
and that was the bit of the report that he
had specifically asked to be done because he wanted Indeed Rugby.
He wanted a reflection on what Indeed Rugby did and
whether it could be doing it better, and he wanted
that for all the other players who were still playing.
And that was the part of the report that he

(50:03):
wanted released from the confidentiality so that it could be
made public and.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
What insied, I wouldn't agree to that.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
That's right. Shane, after the death of his friend Billy
Geidon fellow tessaon Marco's player, had gone back to Indian
Rugby and said this needs to be out in public
so that you can be tracked as to whether or
not you've actually followed through on any of these recommendations.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
And Mark Robinson, who.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
Was the chief executive of indid Rugby, said no, we're
not having that. There's a letter that he had said
to Shane through his lawyers saying you agreed to confidentiality
and that's what we're sticky want.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
So do they not want it out there?

Speaker 5 (50:47):
Well, they're talking a different story now to be to
indid Rugby. When the issue of confidentially confidentiality came up
around this report way back that it was done around
twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. It was it was to give
the medical people who had been treating Shane in a

(51:09):
medical sense some protection in terms of their identity. So
there was a not unexpected reason about this at the outset,
and it was about looking after those doctors and their
privacy rather than about any dirty secrets that edsin Rugby
might want to keep out of the public eye. But look,

(51:34):
it's changed. It has changed in the year since Shane
gave you that report and his death. It's more like
ten months, I suppose. But Edsie Rugby is now saying
we need to find a way to get those recommendations
out and we want to be able to.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Do that now. Am I right in thinking one of
the recommendations is the greater standdown period for concussion.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
There was one of the things that was raised. There
were many things that were raised in there that shames
very keen to have explored.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, David listen, thank you very much to appreciate it.
David Fisher, New Zealand Herald investigative journalist Heather with Mody
holding hands with potent. I'm surprised John Keaton didn't try
to join in twenty one away from six.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your
one of the kind.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
On the Huddle with us. This evening we have Jordan
Williams Taxpayers Union, Jack Tame, host of Q and A
and Saturday Mornings on News talksz'd be highlads.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
Good you Jordan.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
How are you liking that Amazon deal?

Speaker 6 (52:34):
Now?

Speaker 27 (52:37):
Your interviews today was like, it is just great that
things should go viral. You can just imagine it. You know,
some twenty something comm's grad writing bs COM's for Amazon
not used to you know, someone asking basic questions to
think that you could re hate a seven and a
half billion dollar announcement you announced what was it four

(52:57):
years ago with with our dere and having not spend
a cent and not give you a time frame when
they'rectually gonna spend the money and the money is actually
just bringing their own computers in their own software over.
It wasn't created a thousand jobs, It was a support thousands.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Of Are you not insulted?

Speaker 13 (53:11):
Though?

Speaker 2 (53:11):
That they looked at and they went, that's stupid. They
won't even ask any questions.

Speaker 27 (53:18):
It's so good on your part, like not to not
to fuddle in your pocket, Jack, Are you insulted?

Speaker 25 (53:28):
If I'm insulted, I mean it was. It was pretty remarkable.
I mean, I I will echo Jordan's praise either. I
thought it was a fantastic interview and just cut straight
to the heart of the issue. I mean, I actually
find it pretty extraordinary that Christopher Luxon was prepared to
put himself in a position celebrating this thing, given the
level of scrutiny it was likely to follow. Like it

(53:50):
didn't don'tate this the wrong way, But it didn't take
like vast scrutiny to actually get a better picture of
what was happening, right. You just asked those all important,
very basic questions like have you built data centers? How
many data centers? How many people have actually been employed?
And I think we were able to work things out
pretty quickly. But yeah, certainly not the economic injection that

(54:13):
at first reading the headlines might have suggested. It was
supposed to be okay.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
So then what has gone wrong here, Jordan? Why has
Chris Luxon gone out and done something as kind of
I don't want to be unkind and but as stupid
as this, I.

Speaker 27 (54:27):
Suspect on the official spat or the government's depart It's
just lack of due diligence. I mean, we live in
a world. I've had a theory on this, actually, I reckon.
You know how in the nineties the power shifted to
HR I reckon, like for our generation, it's powers shifted
to comm's apartments. And so it's all just about fields

(54:50):
and bs and recons rather than actually, you know, numbers
and truth and because the idea are we going to
send that half billion? But you know, I'm not going
to give you a time frame here or you know,
we'll support not creating a thousand jobs, it's supporting a
thousand jobs. Well on that basis, you know, so do
you and I you know, and I'm going to spend
a million dollars on food at the rest of my lifetime.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
You know, you're an amazing.

Speaker 27 (55:15):
My organization, you know, stopped the capital gains tax some
of the doing regime. Well you know, you know, we've
you know, we've helped get boosted by the economy by
fifty billion dollars.

Speaker 9 (55:26):
You know. I mean, there's just no.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
No I think you're going to something.

Speaker 25 (55:33):
Can I suggest though that I mean, clearly this government
has tied economic growth to its success or failure, right, Like,
this is the messaging over the last couple of years
has been growth, growth, growth, growth, growth. This is supposed
to be the year of growth. You can understand when
we're on the ninth might as you hang on this

(55:53):
is this is this is a ligne with growth. Everyone's
been moaning, it's been a miserable here's a great economic
headline we can get out there. We can show that
New Zealand's edgy. And yeah we're up with all this
peak AI stuff data centers. Woo, who's seven point five
thirty and that's a big number. Here we go next
minute that interview. So yeah, I just think it's almost
like a case of he doth protest too much? You know,

(56:16):
the PM is so desperately trying to urge everyone. Actually,
you know, economic conditions are turning. We are seeing the
first green shoots that you can see why they might
be produced by this kind of message a bit more
than they might have otherwise.

Speaker 27 (56:29):
Yeah, hey, Jack, your optima, it's actually a continuation of
the last government. A common strategy is not a public
policy strategy.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah, do you know what I'm going to agree with
you on both of you on that because I feel
like there is too much of a mirroring going on here,
like it feels too just into our do in this
government for us to be happy about the situation. Can
I just quickly ask you, Jack, what the hell is
going on with Tamaki Makota that there's hardly anybody voting?
Is it because they're all down at Nadawa here?

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Nah?

Speaker 25 (56:58):
I think it's just like combination of factors by election,
mid term kind of mayor people not that engaged with politics. Also,
one thing I hadn't really considered was the fact that
the hoardings are kind of competing for space with local
body government. So I was talking to the candidates the
other day and they said they've been door knocking and
people who said the pending nay oh are you running

(57:20):
for mayor? And I was like no, no, no different election.
This one's on next weekend as opposed to the.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Local body elections in six weeks.

Speaker 25 (57:26):
So yeah. I also think the Maori seats are just
different to general electorate seats and that it's kind of
a very tricky electric to get around and to bang
the drama make some noise about an election. But yeah,
the numbers so far for early voting are absolutely woeful,
so turn out certainly decide this thing.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
It's not good. I actually, Jordan, I want to come
back to you on that, to take a break really quickly.
It's quarter two the.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
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Speaker 2 (57:57):
Right, you're back of the huddle, Jordan Williams and Jack Tame. Jordan,
what I want to know from you is in the
by election, does a low turnout favor Labor or the
Marori Party? Do you think?

Speaker 9 (58:06):
Well?

Speaker 27 (58:06):
I mean, you know, it's pretty embarrassing for Labor, given
their enormous party machine, particularly in Auckland, to not be
able to turn out more votes. I mean, if Pennant
loses this, it's going to be seriously embarrassing. Whereas you know,
the poor old Marti Party, you know, not having their
own marias the stuff vote. Sorry to be a polling booth.
It's clearly having a real impact. We shall you know,

(58:29):
when is it Saturday? It's we should get the entrum results.

Speaker 9 (58:32):
So do they not? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:33):
I can't wait. Going to get the popcorn out now, Jack.
The Aussies can keep that neo Nazi can't they.

Speaker 25 (58:40):
Yeah, But whether or not they will there's another question.
I was looking at the categorization of a five oh one.
It's kind of quite broad. I think there's like a
special character test that applies to five oh one. So
in some cases you have to say prison time are
you're supposed to say?

Speaker 13 (58:54):
What?

Speaker 3 (58:54):
I think?

Speaker 2 (58:55):
He's an AUSSI citizen. It's understood. So then they have
to keep them.

Speaker 25 (58:58):
Don't they think get five oh one? I mean, but
maybe they do. I mean, I can recall I haven't
there been occasions in the past, like where Australia that
very exclusive with the idea of but it was just
different people.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
It was it was ISIS stuff, and that was pretty
way out there.

Speaker 25 (59:15):
Well I think that was actually I mean, I think
that was a terrible move the ISIS situation on behalf
of the Australians. But I'm sure it would be an
extremely political, politically popular move if they were to send
this guy back across the Tasman and find some legal
way of doing that. I would just say that if
they did that, I would hope you would respond by
seeing in the quash terrorists back over to them.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Oh you do a little do a little racist. Yeah,
what do you think?

Speaker 27 (59:41):
Of course, you can't renounce someone citizenship and leave them
state less. But in this case, if it is a
dual citizens but it was a really easy solution, we
should get in there first.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Actually, this is not a stupid idea. Children in my pocket?
Stupid children? How is the minister? Is it Erka? Because
she gets things done? Will you just petitioner?

Speaker 9 (01:00:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:00:04):
Maybe you can.

Speaker 25 (01:00:07):
Year ago, or it might be d I A for
something like that.

Speaker 27 (01:00:10):
Yeah, well I just think you couldn't do that without
the Minister's approval or at least.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Yeah. Now, Joe, did you see Jack? What happened at
the day care in Sydney?

Speaker 25 (01:00:20):
Outstanding?

Speaker 9 (01:00:21):
Outstanding? So how old was the kids?

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Not sure? But a toddler, So toddler's anything. I would
think up to two, so between sort of like six months.
Well it's an infant up to one is and it's
one to two, so let's say eighteen months.

Speaker 25 (01:00:32):
Yeah. See, I feel like if it was a really
young baby, then I'm more sympathetic to Grandpa picking the
wrong baby, right, because because young babies are kind of
like suitcases at the airport, and that they all more
or less look the same right as soon as they
start joke, Yeah, yeah, well no, you know the new
thing that that all new parents dore with they think

(01:00:54):
their kid is the most beautiful ever, and then you
look back at the photo six months later and you're like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:01:00):
Anyway, the most beautiful.

Speaker 25 (01:01:03):
The question, though, I mean, it's easy to beg on Grandpa.
It's definitely a faux parent.

Speaker 9 (01:01:08):
His the heart.

Speaker 25 (01:01:08):
He's probably not getting picked up duties again, but what
about the daintiers role in all of us? But shouldn't
they have had a slightly better level of screws?

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
But old on Jack, nobody expects like not which day here?
Expects Grandpa to pick up the wrong kid, Like you're
not screening, are you? No one would we pick up
we mate from Kendy. They don't go hold on a
teck which just make sure No, that's yep, that's your
one off. You go expect me to get there, right,
suld Yeah, lord Jordan, can you imagine though, what the

(01:01:36):
mum like? Imagine how angry mum is that granddad today?
She is livid, isn't she?

Speaker 9 (01:01:42):
The only one to hear?

Speaker 27 (01:01:44):
Is those people that make this should have gone to
speak savors ads?

Speaker 9 (01:01:47):
Oh this is absolutely.

Speaker 27 (01:01:50):
The question I have is did did he drive?

Speaker 9 (01:01:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
This is the problem is he was so he was
so constant, he was concentrating so intently on getting the
flipping car seat working properly, he didn't bother to look
at baby's face.

Speaker 9 (01:02:04):
Maybe it was a rose.

Speaker 27 (01:02:05):
So because he never now has to do any preschool
pick up, this is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Called this is called weaponized incompetence. And don't pretend that
you boys don't do it children, because we know you do.

Speaker 9 (01:02:17):
That's at least that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Yeah, better to call the mouse.

Speaker 27 (01:02:20):
Which one's the dryer? Which one's the washing machine?

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Oh you heard that story? Oh Lord, here we go.
I'm going to pay for that tonight, guys, Thanks very much,
Jack James, Jordan Williams the huddle. If you haven't heard
that story, that is the phone call that I fielded.
And let's say we're dining out on that one now.
Eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Heather, this is what you do with the washing. You
put all the colors in with the whites, and then
you wash them, and then you throw them in the
dryer and you never get asked to do the washing again.
That's from Mark, of course, it's from Mark. Now what
that what's what that's called? Maru is weaponized in competence.
Now do you need me to explain that to you?
So the ladies lessen up? This might this might this

(01:03:07):
is a life hack. It may change your life when
the dudes do things like that. Mark knows what he's doing.
It's doing it deliberately because then he nevestin and it's
it's basically that thing where they go, ah, how do
you how? How do you like, how do you mop
a floor? Which bucket? Which bucket do you use? What's
the stuff that you put in the bucket for mopping
the floor? Which mop do you want me to?

Speaker 25 (01:03:26):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
You know that make it so complicated that in the
end you go, oh, don't worry about it and you
do it yourself, Like how often have you done that?
You're like, I don't worry about that's weaponized and competence
and it's designed to make you do it yourself. So
what you want to do is play them at their
own game and just be like that's cool, and then
you know, take I don't know, I mean, it's going
to ruin your whites though, so you have to live
with that. Here, I took the wrong cat home from

(01:03:47):
the Catteri once. It was a berman, and I had
it all day. It took a lot of convincing from
the Catteri people to get the wrong cat back, and
then they gave me the right cat. For these things happened,
at least it was a cat, not a human this time. Listen, Sweden,
I'm I'm outraged on behalf of the people of Sweden.
What's happened is Sweden has put together like a cultural
canon thing. They've got about one hundred things that they

(01:04:09):
think have formed Sweden's culture and history. And what they
want to do is then they give it to the
new arrivals and they go, oh, welcome to Sweden. This
is everything you need to know, like like an orientation
of Sweden, and this will basically help you to navigate
Swedish culture and become a Sweden. And it's got everything
that you would expect. It's got Peppy long stocking in there,
it's got Ikea in there, it's got the right to roam,
which is a Swedish thing. Paternity leave that's a Swedish thing.

(01:04:30):
The Nobel Prize. Blah blah blah left out. Abba left out.
Abba left out. It would appear everything from nineteen seventy
five onwards because time stopped in Sweden in nineteen seventy five.
It's weird, but they left out Abber. Now are you
not as out? Like so An's tried to roll the
thing with me where he was like, oh, that's because
everybody everybody in the world knows Abba. You don't know
what everybody knows Abba. Some people come from underneath the Tulliban.

(01:04:52):
They don't know Abber. They've been, they like they've been.
They have no idea what Abba is because they don't
even know what freedom is, some of the ladies. So
they're going to get there be like, what is this
amazing thing? Anyway, I'm offended on behalf of the people
of Sweden because I think you and I can agree
that Sweden has not produced anything better than Abba. Abba
is the best thing that Sweden has ever done.

Speaker 26 (01:05:15):
Enjoy keeping track of where the money is flowing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
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Said be evening coming up in the next hour. Milford
Asset Management on the winners and the losers of the
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of the UK right now at a seven past six.
Now National is holding the line on the Paris Climate
Agreement Act in New Zealand. First are both advocating for

(01:06:21):
New Zealand to quit the deal unless its conditions significantly improved,
but Prime Minister Chris Luxon says leaving Paris would be
the fastest way to hurt our farmers.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Simon Watts is the National Party Climate Change minister.

Speaker 9 (01:06:32):
Hi Simon, Hey, Heather, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
It's good to talk to you. Thank you. How would
it hurt our farmers?

Speaker 9 (01:06:38):
Look, I don't believe it will hurt our farmers. The
Paris Agreement doesn't any sanction out. Well, well, look, we
have no plans to pull out. As a government. Were
committed to the targets and we're committed to the Paris Agreement.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Chris Luxon says if we pull out, it would hurt
our farmers.

Speaker 9 (01:06:52):
How well, the reality is is that we are a
major export nation. I've just come back from Beijing on Friday,
speaking with a Chinese minister that are committed to the
Paris Agreement. They expect other countries simon come off it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
They're building coal fired plants right now that there's that,
and by the way, they want our protein. They are
not going to punish us if we pull out.

Speaker 9 (01:07:17):
No, I didn't say that. I'm just saying that they
are committed to the Paris Agreement. They're coming out with
the new NDC targets like we have.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
It's going to hurt us though.

Speaker 9 (01:07:27):
Well, we're not part of the broader commitment to an
international agreement, and right now international trade is highly volatile. Well,
we are into country that wants to be putting that
type of stuff at risk.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
We're getting punished anyway, even if we are committed to
whatever Globally. We've just copped tariff. So what's the point
in being part of stuff for trade reasons? I mean,
tell me, tell me, because what Chris Luxen has said
is that we get hurt if we pull out. So
how do we get hurt?

Speaker 9 (01:07:56):
Well, the reality is we've got a number of our
free trade agreements and international agreements with other countries that
we export to that have considerations, requirements for us to
meet our climate obligations.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
And what happens we don't pulling out and by.

Speaker 9 (01:08:09):
Pulling out a Paris that we put at risk some
of those trade agreements. And to be honest, hither as
an export lead recovery driven by our primary sector, I
want to be putting of thosements.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Ask what happens in those trade agreements? What triggers do
they pull to punish us if we pull out?

Speaker 9 (01:08:28):
Well, there's there's a variety of means that they could
and not saying that they would, but they can in
terms of the clauses, and potentially it's a reassessment of
that agreement, and a reassessment of that agreement means volatility
and uncertainty and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Don't about volatility is assignment. You're saying to me that
some of these agreements could be abandoned all together if
we pull out of out of the Paris agreement, the
devils and.

Speaker 9 (01:08:53):
The detail in the context of what countries would agree in.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
What they would do, but that in some.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Of those agreements too, that they they could abandon the
agreement all together if we pull out of Paris.

Speaker 9 (01:09:05):
There's commitments within our agreements that means that we need
to remain part of those international agreements for the climate.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Is which agreements might be abandoned all together because we
pull out out of Paris.

Speaker 9 (01:09:16):
Well, I'm not saying that, but I am saying that, and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
That's what you inferred. So which agreements were all apart?

Speaker 9 (01:09:24):
The EU Agreement and the UK agreement have clauses within
them that means we have obligations in regards to our
climate changed and either of.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Those twoment yet no totally, and might either of them
be abandoned by the other party all together if we
pull out of Paris.

Speaker 9 (01:09:40):
I can't speak on Batador and the the worst thing, but.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Assiment, what's the worst thing that these countries or blocks
could do to us under the agreement if we pull.

Speaker 9 (01:09:49):
Out, Well, technically they could invoke those clauses and say
that we're in breach of those agreements and they want
to reassess that agreement, and you know that could go
as far as you know, potentially some form of sanction
or other aspects. So these are the serious stuff herether
in Ano, this culture.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Listen, no, I understand. I want to work through this
detail with you, okay, So let's just stick to the
matter at hand. So now let's look at where we export.
We export primarily and when we're talking about the affected
products here, let's say dairy we export primarily to the
US and China, neither of whom are going to do
this to us. So were you telling me that we
are worried about two actually quite small markets being the

(01:10:28):
UK and EU Instead, that's what we're focusing on as
these two small markets. We're not so worried about the
big ones, right, the big ones are not under threat hither.

Speaker 9 (01:10:38):
I was in China in Beijing on Friday. I was
face to face with a bilateral with my counterpart, Chinese minister.
We were talking about the fact that the needs to
be part of the Paris Agreement was an alignment between
our two countries, and the minister was clear with me
that the China are now looking at the relationship between
climate change and trade as being into linkages.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
That is pretty is there in our sta with China.

Speaker 9 (01:11:03):
In regards to our climate commitments. There's commitments within that
agreement as well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Yes, okay, And what could they do to us if
they decided to punish us?

Speaker 9 (01:11:12):
Well, again, there was no indication that that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Would be the reason I'm asking you that, yes.

Speaker 9 (01:11:18):
The agreements do have clauses, and if they wanted to
trigger those, the really is climate change now here there
is a trade consideration and can be used by other
countries as a trade barrier. And just with the volatility
in the trade market at the moment, the world's pretty
uncertain at the moment. And to be honest, we don't
want to be shaking the tin any here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
We don't, I understand. But what I want to be to,
what I want to get to with this line of
questioning is what I want to understand is do the
risks that you are outlining to me outweigh the costs
that the farmers are bearing at the moment?

Speaker 9 (01:11:51):
Well, the Paris Agreement doesn't impose sanctions or financial penalties
on us as it stands, so, but the risk of
putting those trades.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Understand that too much. I understand how this works. But
there are costs, and you know that there are costs
that farmers are bearing. However, it is whether it is
through the increased cost of electricity or whatever. Do the
costs that the farmers bear is that outweighed? Which of
the two is greater? The risk from us pulling out
all the costs that are currently bearing under the thing

(01:12:20):
and and stand and stand to bear.

Speaker 9 (01:12:23):
Yeah. Look, either the risks to our trade is a
much greater and higher risk than the implications around the
cost component that feeds through an You.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Guys quantifind this. Have you quantified it? Have you have
you done the sub.

Speaker 9 (01:12:39):
Yes, we've quantified and every decision we send that in
the recent one. Can I send it to you or
it'll be in the public domain as part of the
canbinet agreements. But we have economic analysis and we did
that when we made the NDC agreement at the beginning
of this year.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Actually, we had the economic.

Speaker 9 (01:12:54):
Analysis as part of that really important we look at it.
Have you to get it to you after this, old Heather,
but it is in the public domain. I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 25 (01:13:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Hey, really quickly, on another subject, when are you making
the announcement on the fix for the electricity sector?

Speaker 9 (01:13:10):
Hey, Look, we're taking that through with cabinet. I'm in
Australia with Minister Willis right now and meeting with energy
ministers and the Australian Treasurer today. We've got that coming
pretty soon. But we're working pretty we know that's we
want to I've always said that we want to get
it out quarter three, so we're aiming for the end
of September.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Good stuff. Hey Simon, thank you, always appreciate your time.
That Simon, what's the climate change minister? I don't know
about you, but I'm starting to think that these threats
are not real. What do you think? It's just like
the worst case scenario, absolute worst case scenario. They might
punish us by triggering something in the fta worst case scenario,

(01:13:49):
but probably not actually going to happen. Is it quarter
past six?

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
That'd be evening here that myself and a group of
farmers had a meeting with the Beef and Lamb Export
of two weeks ago, and when we asked if any
of our importers or their importer, sorry, we're concerned about
our climate stance, they said it never gets mentioned. They
just want our protein I'm starting to believe that's the case.
Eighteen past six. Now, a busy reporting season has just
finished for the ins and exlisted companies. We'll talk about
the winners and the losers from the last four weeks.

(01:14:33):
Jeremy Hutton from Milford Asset Management is with us right now. Hey, Jeremy,
good evening.

Speaker 28 (01:14:38):
Heather held on.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Very well, thank you. One of the big winners has
got to be A two Milk.

Speaker 28 (01:14:43):
Yeah, A two Milk. They had another bumper reporting season.
Investors absolutely loved it. They sent the share price up
over twenty one percent in August alone, and the stock
is now up sixty percent so far yet to date
in twenty twenty five. The A two Milk story, it
really can be boiled down to the fact that the
company is doing really well in a tough market. And

(01:15:04):
we know Chinese birth rates have been declining for a
number of years and that is a substantial headwind for
infant formula players and A two as well to overcome.
But now by market share, A two is the fourth
biggest player in the massive Chinese infant formula market. It's
bigger than huge competitors like Nesle and me Johnson and
other large Chinese and Western brands as well. So A

(01:15:26):
two continue to perform really well in a tough market.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Market really loved that transaction, the purchase of the plant
in Poconoa.

Speaker 28 (01:15:34):
Yeah, that's right, So the acquisition of the local Ushilediry
plant and Pocono The markets got really excited about this.
Now it wasn't so much about the financials of the deal,
but more that the site comes with these extra China
market registrations and these are effectively a license to operate
your brand or product in the Chinese market. And A

(01:15:56):
two they currently only have one of these registered China
label products and it has been holding them back versus competitors,
they all have multiple products in the market. So they
get these two extra slots from the Poconoa plant and
that means A two you know, they can continue to grow,
bring out some new products and innovate and really de
risk the brand story a lot here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Okay, on the other side of the equation, what happened
with Ebos?

Speaker 28 (01:16:20):
Yeah, Ebos a very tough start for their new CEO.
In his first update, the share price was down over
twenty percent, and this is very surprising for Eboss. It
is a great company. It's performed really well and always
consistently grows, has done so over the past decade on
the nz X, but their forward guidance this time round

(01:16:41):
for the next financial year was for flat earnings and
the market got really caught off side by this. They
had to downgrade a lot of their outlooks for earnings,
but one could say it's a bit of a harsh
reaction as there is still confidence in the EBOS story.
Their core businesses of Australian pharmacies and animal care products
are still growing reasonly, reasonably well medium term. But sometimes,

(01:17:06):
particularly when it's a new CEO in the chair, the
market can shoot first and ask questions later, particularly if
they get the framing or the pits wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Now now that the Reserve Bank is leaning on reducing
the OCR or what's the outlook for the rest of
the year do you think?

Speaker 28 (01:17:23):
Yeah, supportive Reserve Bank and OCR interest rate tracks should
be positive for the New Zealand market. The local market
has lagged key pairs substantially this year, but we are
considered a defensive, yield driven market. We don't have the
racy tech or AI stocks like they do overseas. We've
got more solid, high dividend payers like telecoms, companies, infrastructure,

(01:17:48):
real estate, and these should perform well in a falling
interest rate environment. And then secondly i'll just call out
also the cyclical sectors, which is sort of the next leg.
Construction companies, retail exposed companies. They've really had a tough
time as we know in New Zealand, but again should
start to perform better when some of the economic activity

(01:18:10):
and data starts to improve.

Speaker 9 (01:18:12):
Good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Hey, Jeremy, thanks as always for talking us through that.
Jeremy Hutton, Milford Acid Management. Heather, I have to disagree
with you. Abba are the absolute worst thing that Sweden
has produced. Try the tennis players beyond Borg blah blah blah, Heather.
Sweden gave us the three point safety belt and Volvo,
which is pretty great. Heather. The chef from the Muppets

(01:18:34):
was from Sweden. I don't think that counts as a
Swedish expert, but I see. But I appreciate what you're
doing there, Heather. What about Volvo? They are great? Heather?
What about Greta. I don't think Greta is the best
thing that Sweden's ever produced. Actually I do want well,
if they cut the if they cut the cannon off
at nineteen seventy five, not even Greta has made it

(01:18:56):
in for the new migrants to learn about. And I
would say that the new migrants need to school up
real fast on Greta because she'll be hassling everyone all
the time. They'll be like, who's that annoying child on
the Oh, that's Greta. I learned about it in the Cannon.
I think it would be helpful.

Speaker 16 (01:19:08):
Six twenty three, everything from SMS to the big corporates,
The Business Hour with Heather duplessy Ellen and Maz for
Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
That'd be jenatib Cherani is going to be with us.
She reckons that the building regulation overhaul is not going
to go as smoothly as the government may hope. But anyway,
she'll talk us through the details shortly. It's six twenty six,
got the Showburz News for you. Your what you're listening

(01:19:39):
to is some music by somebody called mister Fantasy. There's
talking about himself there, mister Fantasy. Anyway, we think that
that's actually kJ Upper, You know kJ Upper, who's the
key we actor who was on Shortland Street. Really handsome
guy dyed his hair orange. When he started got that
role playing Archie in the Riverdale series over in the US,

(01:20:00):
and started talking with an American accent. It was like
a grim reboot of the Archie comics. Anyway, turns out
he might be the guy with the alter ego on
TikTok called mister Fantasy, and that song you just heard
as his debut single. What's notable about mister Fantasy is
it's never been confirmed that he is kJ Upper, but
he is what kJ Upper would look like if kJ
Upper put a fake black wagon and some fake teeth

(01:20:21):
and then spoke of a terrible British accent. He's gone viral,
this mister Fantasy for making weird social media videos like this.

Speaker 5 (01:20:28):
I am watching you very closely.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
I'm looking at your profiles and I will catch you
in the act if you are so inclined. So, I mean,
that's weird, isn't it. But anyway, so ants, I'm Sam,
the producer. Hoo's the one who's across all of the
young people's stuff. He reckons it's definitely kJ Upper because
kJ Upper hasn't got any work at the moment. It

(01:20:50):
is probably bought in California. Mister Fantasy already has three
hundred thousand TikTok followers. Promises there's more music to come,
so stay tuned and if you want to see it
the dancing, the dancing is special, go and enjoy it.
News is next, super letu flu.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Mister Leo, I haven't you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.
Of the Business Hour with the Duple c Allen and
maz for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, News Talk sad.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
B don't you win the body?

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
I can do this all we we'll be there to
do the morning. The baby bons deep dy. Kevin Grady's
going to be with us out of the UK shortly.
By the way, this is a fascinating thing that's just happened.
In England. They've banned under sixteen year olds from being
able to buy energy drinks like a Red Bull, and
the reason for it like, imagine that I was wolfling

(01:21:55):
those down love the v that's to this day. I
walked past a Cannoby and I go, m yum. I'd
love that and I have self control now, but jeez,
I used to drink them. They fuel obesity, can cause
sleep problems and leave kids unable to concentrate twenty four
away from seven. Now there are homes that concerns rather
that the government's proposed building overhaul might leave homeowners in
the lurch. Essentially, what the government's doing is they want

(01:22:16):
to remove some of the responsibility for defective buildings from
councils and instead make the builders and the trades and
so on responsible for their work. But that is where
the plan hits a snag. Genative Traine as The Herald's
Wellington Business editor and with us hello janee hi Heather.
So in this case, the trade's would have to be insured.
But that's the problem, right whether they can actually get insurance.

Speaker 19 (01:22:37):
That's the thing. So if you are shifting the liability
to the people who cause the problem, the trades and
so on, that's all fair and well. But these tradees
don't necessarily have deep pockets. So if you have a
problem with your with your home, you chase your builder.
Your builder can say that we're liquidating the company, or

(01:22:57):
the builder can just say, look we can't pay, we
can't pay. We're just two guys and we can't pay
you out. So then I guess you go. Well, hopefully
the builder has insurance. All the builders offered you some
sort of guarantee, warranty or whatever on the building work.
The government is looking at when it makes this change,
it's looking at making these consumer protections mandatory. But I

(01:23:19):
spoke to someone from the insurance industry, Stanford Insurance Director
Duncan Colebrook. He's one of the guys that provides this
insurance cover for the builders, and he's saying, look, we're
not going to just ensure any old builder. You know,
they have strong underwriting processes, and of course insurance companies
don't want to lose money. They can't just ensure everyone.

(01:23:42):
So the insurance industry doesn't seem to be that keen
on what the government's proposing because you know, they're not
going to provide blanket cover for every trade, every builder,
every building.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
So what's the alternative.

Speaker 19 (01:23:56):
Well, you know, this is all still being worked through,
but as it stands, it seems like there's a risk
that the homeowner will be exposed because if it is
not entirely ensured and the pockets of these builders and
things aren't that deep, then it could leave you in
the lurch. Duncan Colebrook, he from Stanford Insurance, said to me, well,

(01:24:19):
you know, if the government wants to make the stuff mandatory,
like consumer protections mandatory, then maybe it needs to step
in and provide some sort of insurance cover. But you
know that he made the point that is the exact
thing the government is trying to avoid. You know, it's
trying to get rid of their liability on councils, which
kind of comes back on the government. So you're really

(01:24:43):
it does leave you in a sort of scratching your head.
Another insurance Brokerray spoke to Ben Recard. He said, well,
you know, insurance are hesitant about providing this kind of cover.
You know, it's specialist cover because normally an insurance company
provides cover for a year, like for your house, it
looks at the risk, provides cover a year next year,
reassesses changes the premium, does it again. But this is

(01:25:04):
this type of stuff is for like ten years. Yeah,
you know it's quite risky ten years. There's some hesitancy there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
But this goes some way to explaining why the government
only half announced the thing, right, because we were expecting
an announcement of yes, we're changing where the responsibility lies
and this is what's going to back it up, but
we only got the changing of the responsibility, not the
backing up because it's too complicated.

Speaker 19 (01:25:26):
Well exactly. So the theory is nice, let's not cripple counsels.
You know, with the leaky heime saga many years ago,
councils get left with this big bill, rate payers end
up paying for it. It sounds nice. We all like that,
make the bill, make the naughty people pay. But there's
some fundamental details there.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:25:46):
If the insurance industry is not rushing in to say
that's that's fine with us, then I still have major
questions of exactly how this is going to work.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Yeah, totally all right, let's see what they come up with.
We'll have to wait for Chris Pink to figure it out.
Thank you so much to know I appreciate it. Atib Shranny,
The Herald's Wellington Business editor, twenty away from Heather duplicy
Heather reading between the lines. This is ree Simon. What's
at the start of the hour? Heather reading between the lines.
I think what the Minister was implying is in a
fragile trade environment, pulling out of the Climate Agreement may

(01:26:15):
give our partners an excuse to shift trade agreement seems
to be it's not actually purely about Paris at all,
but about not risk, about not risk and giving that
excuse to other nations that we trade with. That was
my take on it. Joy, You might be right, actually,
and I think, Look, I while I do think I'm
not I'm not pure, like I'm oh gosh, what am

(01:26:35):
I trying to say, I'm not. I'm not so ideologically
wedded to the to the thing that I'm unreasonable about it. Right,
So I do think that that Paris is bad for
us as a country, and I don't think Paris is working,
and I do think we need to rethink it and
probably pull out. But I also understand you don't want
to be the first country that does that. You want
to be sort of middle of the pack so you
don't draw any attention. So what you want to do
is you want to wait for the Tories to take

(01:26:57):
over government in the UK and then they pull out
and then other countries pull out. You want to you
want to kind of flee undercover, do you know what
I mean? But we have to prepare, like this is
what John Key said, be a fast follower. And I
think in that case, we want to be a fast follower.

Speaker 11 (01:27:10):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
I don't know if you know this, but I didn't
know this until today. Nick Kurrios is playing tennis against
Arena Sabi Sabilenka, whose name I should absolutely be able
to pronounce because she is the number one tennis player
in the world for women. Anyway, Nick is going to
play her. They're going to play a Battle of the Sexes,
which is going to be set in On Kong next year.
The thing about Nick, though, is Nick knows how to

(01:27:33):
be a dick, doesn't he. So he's not just going
to go and play tennis against her without sort of
racking it up and getting as much attention as possible.
So he's he's come out all mister confident and he's
done like an interview on YouTube, and he said, even
though he hasn't played tennis since Miami opened and I
think March this year, so he hasn't played tennis for
about six months, he says, she's not going to beat me.

(01:27:56):
Do you think I really have to try to try
one hundred percent? I will try because I'm representing the
men's side. I think I'll win six to two. Then
he complimented her for being a good character, but then
also appeared surprised that she genuinely thinks she's gonna win.
He says, our serfs referring to men, he says our serves.
Women can't really return those, and then we can just

(01:28:16):
chip and dropshot. Now this has just got the women
so angry. Let me tell you, women are furious about today.
They're like, what an arrogant guy. He can't say this stuff.
She's the number one in the world. He hasn't even
played tennis for six months. I'm sorry, ladies, my money's
on Nick, Like you know what, Like even men can't
return men's serves, like that's the thing. Even male tennis

(01:28:38):
players cannot always return the serve of a male tennis
player because those boys just throw that lob that ball
up and then smash it down. So I don't know,
I don't rate her chancewers. But let's see how it goes,
you know, Let's see because he does he I mean,
he might get sort of like halfway through the game
and his pack atanty, which would be probably the best
outcome for her. We'll see in CEA just really quickly.

(01:29:01):
I don't know if you've seen that this has been
going on today, but Eric Stanford's written a piece defending NCO,
defending why we need to drop n CIA, and there's
all this chat about NCAA again today. Do you want
to know how easily kids game NCEEA. There's a yarn
that popped up today. A nineteen year old has talked
to a media outlet about about how he did it.
He only just passed NCEEA level three because he got

(01:29:23):
credits from his part time job at MacDonald's. That is
how he passed nca His part time job at McDonald's
got him eighty level three unit credits, which sounds like
a lot. I don't know, because I didn't do I
got a proper qualification, not this crap. He got eighty
level three unit credits across things like food safety, food

(01:29:43):
preparation and customer service. I mean, come on, that's not
what we want for our kids. We want better than that.
We'll go to the UK next sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
It's Heather dupiic Ellen with the Business Hour and Maz
Trusted at Home Endurance Solutions news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
It'd be I've totally forgotten to tell you I bought
grant Robertson's book, so I'm going to have to tell
you about this before that. She entered the show fourteen
away from six. Gavin Gray seven rather seven Kevin Gray
are UK correspondents with us. Elogevin, Hi there, okay, so
you bend the energy drinks for the kids.

Speaker 29 (01:30:19):
Yes, the government is at least planning to do this
and it's going out for consultation, but I think it's
likely to be nodded through. There is huge concern that
has been huge concern about these high energy drinks such
as Red Bull, Monster and Prime. Many supermarkets have introduced
a voluntary ban already, but up to a third of
children in the UK are thought to consume these types

(01:30:40):
of drinks every week now. Some popular drinks contain more
caffeine than two cups of coffee, and the TV chef
Jamie Oliver has repeatedly been warning about the dangers and
disruption that energy drinks can cause. He said children are
going into school bouncing off the walls having had energy
drinks for breakfast.

Speaker 5 (01:30:58):
He said, we're.

Speaker 29 (01:30:59):
Talking about three or four shots of espresso in one
of these things, and loads of sugar, so it's an
absolute nightmare. He's posted and we do know excessive consumption
is linked to headaches and sleep problems. Too much caffeine
can cause a rapid heart rate, abnormal heart rhythms, and seizures.
But this is the first time the government stepped in
and they really do think that banning anyone under the

(01:31:21):
age of sixteen from mind these drinks is the first step.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
How do they stop them buying them from vending machines?

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Though, yeah, that's going to be the thing.

Speaker 29 (01:31:28):
I think obviously the problem is trying to work out
where children are buying them or where they might be
able to access them, and then banning the vending machines
from those areas.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
But yeah, it's pretty it's going to be very, very
difficult to police.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Yeah, now what is this chep who writes Father Ted
actually said, well, this is.

Speaker 29 (01:31:48):
A story that's causing major actions here in the UK
and it would be almost like a scene out of
one of his beloved productions. So Ted, Father Ted co
created Graham Linhan had been arrested a Heater airport, he says,
by five armed police officers after he stepped off a plane.
As I said, famous for co creating Father Ted, the

(01:32:09):
It Crowd of Black Books a well known comedia, comedy
and writer, and he said that he had been arriving
on this flight from the US and said in an
article that officials became concerned for his health after taking
his blood pressure and then took him to hospital. Anyway,
he was all right police. They were only saying a
man in his fifties was arrested and this looks like

(01:32:32):
an article that he wrote, or some posts rather on
x that he wrote about his views challenging trans identified
males in a female only space. The first post from
his feed called it a violent abusive act for a
trans identified male to be in a female only space.
He suggested maker seeing call the cops in off all

(01:32:53):
us fellows punch him in the balls was his comment there.
And this led to people saying this is a hate speech,
this is a hate crime, and a calling for him
to be prosecuted. Well, the police have said now that
he's being looked at as it were, and potentially facing
a separate charge of harassment, due to appear in court tomorrow.

(01:33:17):
He has received a lot of support though, both from
opposition MPs but also JK. Rowling stepped into it, claiming
that his arrest was suggested the UK is now a
totalitarian state.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
Now, jeez, I'll tell you what. Getting support from New
Zealand as well by the looks of things. Just really quickly,
Why are all these people in AfD dying?

Speaker 29 (01:33:38):
Yeah, very interesting, but this because there are elections in
a very large northwestern state in Germany coming up and
the AfD, the Alternative for Right, the Alternative for Deutschle
and that is the far right party, is putting forward
a number of candidates really hopes to do well. But
it is evidence that candidates have died in recent weeks.

Speaker 9 (01:34:02):
Now.

Speaker 29 (01:34:02):
The police are saying there is no evidence of any
foul play, but of course social media has gone into
absolute overspin here about this, and there are claims and
counterclaims about what's been going on Elon Truss plus because
Elon Muskramer has now intervened as well, saying to Germans,
either Germany votes AfD or it's the end of Germany.

(01:34:26):
So yeah, feelings running high about all of this.

Speaker 17 (01:34:28):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Okaykevin, thanks very much, appreciate it. Gavian Gray UK cars
gone right. We'll deal with Grant Robertson's book next nine
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Oh, by the way, I've got quite a few ticks
on the builders either. If a builder can't get insurance,
you really don't want to have them as a builder.
Well that's fair, except somebody ticks through and said that
What also happens is you've got the builders who just
do like they retire and then they just potter around
like our builder and the coromandel is fantastic, but he
doesn't want to do it all the time. He just
wants to kind of potter and do it it is
and does he want and so he's kind of working

(01:35:05):
a bit here and there over the summer, you know,
or with the winter when people are there, WAE. But
does he want to take out insurance for ten years
and keep paying that if he's just pottering around? No,
So there's your problem, especially if the insurance is expensive.
Oh and also I need to tell you that a
US Congressional panel released a whole bunch of Epstein documents today,
thirty three thousand pages flight logs, jail surveillance, video, court filings,

(01:35:28):
audio recordings, emails. But ninety seven percent of it they
Reckon has already in the public domain, most of it
isn't new, and it doesn't have the missing minute. Gab
asked them, I sang, man, not right. So I went
to the book shop yesterday and I bought Grant's book
because I thought, you've got to you got to read it.
I'm going to do it so you don't have to
do it. So I've got Grant's book, and it was

(01:35:49):
I thought, forty dollars for a paperback is a lot.
But then Georgia, who is sits next to me in
the office and seems to know everything, like it's amazing
she knows. She just pipes up with random facts. She's like,
forty dollars for a paperback, that's a memoirs. Really not
a lot of memoirs are cost a lot more nowadays
then your average paperback. And long, okay, okay, I'll just
take that. I did think it was ironic, though. I
think I thought for a pair of socialists, Grant and

(01:36:11):
just Cinda really do like making the dollars, don't they.
Grant didn't turn up at at Otago University and go no,
I really care about redistribution of wealth, so please don't
pay me seven hundred thousand dollars a year. He went, yep,
thanks anyway. So I've got the book, and I'm happy
to say it's definitely smaller than just Cinder's. From what
I understand, it's an easier read. Justinda is a great writer,

(01:36:33):
so I did enjoy the first half, but it really
falls off a cliff when she starts to make excuses
for what she did in office. What I will say
about Grant as well is he's got a picture of
himself as the man on the front. And then if
you see it in a bookshop, flip it around, have
a look at the picture of the little boy. You
can see his man face and his baby face is
so cute. Like you look at that and you go, oh,
I see what you're going to look like as a man.

(01:36:54):
Turn it around. Yep, still the same glasses. That's you. Anyway.
I left it here. I brought it in, yes, and
then I forgot it on the desk, and I know,
how can you forget something so precious? And I forgot
this is a cost you forty dollars. So I left
it on the desk and came back in today and
nobody had nicked it. It isn't that amazing? Nobody else
wanted the book. It's sat there for a full twenty

(01:37:15):
four hours. Don't worry, my precious, I've got it back.
I shall start reading it right, Libby, What have you got?

Speaker 17 (01:37:22):
I've got an absolute classic for you?

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Oh hard not to.

Speaker 17 (01:37:26):
This is because Split Ends are not doing nothing but
reforming this year, getting back together for Electric Avenue down
in Christia. Yes, the celebration. They're playing on the first day.
There'll be the headliner on the Friday alongside A lot
of names are big list. I won't read all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
None of them matter because Split Ends is there, Libby.
Have we figured out if every single member of the
team is back?

Speaker 17 (01:37:48):
They're not?

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Who's not? We figured it out.

Speaker 17 (01:37:50):
There's only four of.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Them, and originally there was five or six. Wasn't there?

Speaker 17 (01:37:54):
There's been a lot of different lineup.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Has the strange piano dropped off?

Speaker 17 (01:37:57):
I've heard it's the dramma who didn't come back?

Speaker 9 (01:37:59):
The drum.

Speaker 17 (01:38:00):
I can read you the list and you can tell
me look.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Gone, then go.

Speaker 17 (01:38:02):
It's Neil Finn, Yeah, him Finn yeah, Noel Crombie yeah,
Addie Rayner.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Oh no, it's the one who went it's Judd, Phil Judd.
Phil Judd's not back. He's the one who went off
and the ended counting the beat two, three, four five
with the swingers. Oh, I wanted to hit back. Oh
it's only eighty percent. No, that's a hard no. No,
Maybe I will, though, maybe I will. Will we go
to christ Church? Will the perimenopausal women go to christ Church?
For split ends? We shall find out. Le'll be a
good choice from you pump it up, Off we go.

(01:38:30):
See tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
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