Full Show Podcast: 04 November 2024

On the Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive Full Show Podcast for Monday, 4 November 2024, US pollster Henry Olsen tells Heather whether the shock poll from Iowa could spell bad news for Republicans in other swing states - and his gut feel on the election result.

Finance Minister Nicola Willis weighs in on whether Chris Luxon should have called voters 'customers'.

Principals and parents in Hawke's Bay are up and arms that the Ministry of Education is axing the school bus for kids from Clive.

Plus, The Huddle weighs in on the US election. Why do Josie and Trish think Kamala has got this?

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newspakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather duple c Ellen drive with One New Zealand
let's get connected, you stalk, said.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
B afternoon, welcomes to show coming up today. What about
that Iowa poll that puts Karmla Harris ahead in a
Trump state. We're going to speak to well known polster
out of the states, Henry Olson. After five, mister and
missus TARMICKI are in court over lockdown breeches year the
old Lockdown's back again. Will speak to Steve Cullen, the lawyer,

(00:32):
on that, and also the Education Minister Erica Stanford on
her announcement which is about to make more helpful kids
who are bad at maths.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Heather duplessy Ellen, Okay.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
The latest thing that isn't really a big deal but
probably will have a big deal made out of it
because it's the Prime Minister, is that Chris Luxon has
called us voters customers. Now. He did it in an interview,
a sit down interview where he was asked about being
seen as out of touch, and he was saying basically, no, no,
I'm in touch because I talk to people all the time.
It's been a belief system of mine, talk to the customer,

(01:02):
to the public, to the people, to the voters, at
which point the interviewer was like, whoa, you used the
C word customer. Oh, you got to ditch that corporate speak,
don't you.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:10):
I don't have a problem with being called a customer,
do you? I mean? But do I think this is
a big deal. When I was at university studying postgrad politics,
we often refer to voters as stakeholders, as in stakeholders
in the government of the day, And that's corporate term, right,
That's not unusual. It's also really not unusual to see
voters in a transactional relationship with a political party, as in,

(01:31):
I give you my vote, you give me something back
which I want, which is a policy or whatever, if anything. Actually,
it's not a bad thing for politicians to see us
as customers, customers who will only come back for more
from what you're selling if you give us what we want,
policies that we like, promises that are delivered, not broken,
and so on and so on. What's the problem for
a voter? And that that's awesome. You vote for a party,

(01:53):
you get what you want. That is arguably the opposite
of what the last labor government. Just by contrast, I
just want to draw contrast. It's the opposite of what
the last labor government was doing the entire time on,
for example, crime, We kept saying, as the customers, hey,
can you just you know, like go a little bit
harder on the gangs, and they kept saying, no, you're wrong,
you're not imagining it. We are going there's no crime,
We're going out on gangs. And so in the end

(02:15):
what happened is the customers we bug it off, didn't
we They would have had a better showing at the
last election if they remembered the mantra of the customers
always right. So a whole bunch of customers didn't come
back for more at the last election. Now, also, while
we're on the subject, Luxon needs to stop apologizing for
corporate speech he brings. I mean, some of the best
stuff that he is doing at the moment is when
he brings a corporate approach to it. It says quarterly

(02:36):
targets for the government managing the various factions in the
coalition effectively trying to get efficiencies out of the public service.
Here is a manager. He's good at being a manager.
He needs to lean into that.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Sometimes obviously you're going to want less transaction and more
principle in politics. But ultimately Luxen's onto something.

Speaker 6 (02:54):
Here.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Here's a guy selling us a product, his products, the
National Party. We are customers. We want what we want
out of the National Party or who Weather is selling
us their policies, and being seen as customers is not
altogether a bad thing together. Nine nine two is the
text number standard text fees apply now to something going
on in Hawk's Bay. Principles and parents, there are upper

(03:15):
arms because the Ministry of Education is acting their school bus.
The bus currently drops about ninety students from Clive to
the schools, and Havelock North Ministry says, look, there are
public buses available, so the school bus is going to
get the chop. You know. Educators is not happy. Have
Lock North Intermediate Principal Nigel Mssovi and have Lock North
High School Principal Joel Wilton are both with us at

(03:37):
the moment. High lads koder okay, Nigel, Yeah, I'm good,
Thank you. Nigel. I start with you. Why are you
upset about this? If there are public buses, what are
the problems?

Speaker 7 (03:47):
I think it's because under the consultation we've been provided
information on the routes and the timing for these public
buses and we've got a number of concerns around them.
I guess the first one is I've got young students
coming in straight out of primary school from year six
into year seven, So we're talking children around eleven years

(04:08):
to twelve years of age, and looking at the routes
that have been provided through the public service there, they
would be having to leave home at seven o'clock to
catch a seven to twenty bus to ensure that the
routes that those public services will take are able to
get them to school on time. I guess what's more
concerning around that is at the other end of the day.
So if we're finishing school at three o'clock, they then

(04:29):
depart on the service at three point thirty. Both of
the options available to us at the moment that have
been shared out to us in the community mean that
those buses then arrived back in Clive at five pm,
and in some cases those children are then walking to
their homes which might be up to a couple of
quimeters away. I mean, that's a mess of day from
seven o'clock in the morning through to after five p

(04:49):
for eleven year old twelve year old children, what's the
day like is.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Stay catching the school bus? What time do they leave
in the morning.

Speaker 7 (04:56):
They're catching that bus around about eight o'clock in the
morning at the moment, it's dropping them off to our
gate just down the road from the school. So it's
a direct route. They don't have to go through Hastings,
they don't have to do roots and be delivered and
have a lot north and then walk a couple of
k's to then get to school and then invites me
and it is.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Not an option for the parents to drop them off.

Speaker 7 (05:17):
Definitely an option, I guess when I'm listening to the
community and the feedback that's come just in the short
space of time. Now, it's something that weather service has
been provided now for many many years. It is the
only route I guess it could be provided to them
coming straight through to have a lot of mors using
the school services. As they stand at the moment, I

(05:38):
think things have changed. I'd like to see some evidence
and even the ministry targeting these families even around the country,
because we're only one small dot at the moment around
New Zealand. Where this has been affected and why is
it it's getting harder for parents to take their children
to school and relying on their services. I've got gut
feelings on that, but I'd like to see some evidence
around it.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Joel, I'm pretty sure I heard you make a noise
when I said is it an option for parents to
drop them off? What do you think?

Speaker 8 (06:04):
I think a lot of parents are finding it pretty
difficult in the current situation, even with public transport or
school transport available to them, and this is kind of
another hurdle over and above, and I think Nigel's point
it really comes down to the commute time that makes
this particular situation stand out. For students to like Nigel said,

(06:27):
who are eleven years old, to be commuting for three
hours a day to get to school from what is
really a ten minute trip doesn't seem like appropriate public
transport this particular situation.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Are they no schools closer to Clive.

Speaker 8 (06:43):
So we're currently the school that the client students are
in zone for. There are other schools, but they are
quite a distance from all the secondary schools and intermediate
schools in the area. So there aren't any schools in
the Clive area. Specifically so Clive students are zoned for
us and to be honest, it's not a particularly long distance,

(07:06):
but it certainly is if you have to travel all
the way into Hastings and then back and to have
lock North to get here, so as.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
The crow flies Clive to have lock North? How far.

Speaker 8 (07:19):
Geography? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Suppose gone of the day as a child would drive
just jump on a bike and bike to school.

Speaker 8 (07:28):
Well, we certainly have a few students like that, but
I think again it comes down to, you know, kids
are eleven years old. That's perhaps less appropriate, but it's
also I suppose one of the things that we'd also
like to hope is that there are public transport options
or transport options I should say, for students, whether that's

(07:51):
school or public, that are appropriate.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
What do you reckon Nigel is eleven years old too
young to be riding ten k's to school on a bike.

Speaker 7 (08:00):
In some situations not. I think it depends on the
geography and the layout of cycle safety that's available. I'm
not sure if you're familiar with Clive that it pretty
much slits in the middle between nature and Hastings and
there's no safe cycle routes available for.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
That pretty busy road zone, Gools.

Speaker 7 (08:16):
They do have them, and those zones there are specifically
either eighty kilometer or one hundred kilometer zones, depending on
which way you go, and or one of them doesn't
have even a wide cycle space for children. I'd hate
to see them on there as it stands at the moment.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Guys, thank you very much for talking us through. I
appreciate it's Nigel Misserving have lock North into Intermediate principle
and Joel Wilton have lock North High School principle. Listen,
this is a little bit grim, but this is just
just a bit of overseas news for you. The Kremlin
has just given it soldiers a manual for how to
dig mass graves. Thing runs to twenty pages. I mean,
I didn't realize you need that much detail on how

(08:51):
to do it, but apparently twenty pages of it. It's
called Civil Defense Urgent Burials of Corpses in Wartime, tells
them how to dig a mass grave for up to
one hundred people and says, under normal working conditions you'd
have to set aside three hundred and sixty eight point
five man hours. And it sounds like my first thought was, oh,
war crimes. But no, it's not for war crimes. It's
basically for burying their own casualties in a hurry because

(09:12):
they are losing about twelve hundred soldiers a day. Gromet
sixteen past four, Who will.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Take the White House Results and analysis of the US election?
On Heather Dupless Alum Drive with One New Zealand Let's
get connected news talk, said b Sport with tab Get
your Bed on RI eighteen bed responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Jason pine sports talkhosters with I say.

Speaker 9 (09:37):
Piney, Hello, Heather Poney.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Can I just say I thoroughly enjoyed your commentary of
the football.

Speaker 9 (09:41):
Oh, thank you, Heaven, that's very much.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, it was quite suppressed. I was impressed. So I
don't know, you sound south surprised. It's like you knew
what you were talking about. Part I thought I thought
he'd be terrible. No, he actually knows about football. Although Piney,
although did you see the victory coming? Because I did, No,
did you? I don't know.

Speaker 9 (10:02):
I think I thought that something would happen at the
end when people were a bit fatigue, whether that was
a mistake which had turned out to be, or whether
someone would just produce an absolute moment of magic. I
think if this today we were talking about any of
the three results a drawer, an Auckland winner or Wellington win,
I don't think we'd say, hey, that's not deserved across
the ninety odd minutes.

Speaker 10 (10:21):
But Auckland took their chances at the end got on them.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Mike Costing asked a really good question this morning, which was,
if Bill Foley can do this in one season, why
did the Phoenix? Why have the Phoenix been dicking around
like they have this entire time.

Speaker 9 (10:33):
It's a very good question. And look, we're only three
games in, so let's let's keep our powder dry for
the meantime.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Hope springs eternal in Wellington, doesn't it? You know? It
were like Dan here, well that's all you've got because
you haven't got good weather. Hey what about the black
Caps though? Three zip? I mean that is incredible. What
do you put this down to?

Speaker 9 (10:52):
Nobody saw this coming, Honestly, this off the back of
two losses in Sri Lanka with a real low bar
of xpation going to India, change of captain, and I'm
not saying that's for the reason either. I don't think
this is a Tom Latham comes in for Tim Southy
thing and that's changed it around. It's just an incredible
performance across the team. There were great individual performances in

(11:13):
all three tests, rightch And got one hundred in the
first Test, Mitchell Santa thirteen wickets in the second, and
a Jazz eleven in this third Test. But across the
entire team, everybody who took the field at some point
during the three Test matches made a very very vital contribution.
And I just think that's it. They just all, for
whatever reason, created this perfect storm of cricket and goodness

(11:34):
and all of a sudden we've beaten India three nil.
This is so significant, Heather, No team in the history
of Test cricket has ever swept India in a series
in India.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's unprecedented.

Speaker 9 (11:46):
Now, well, I guess we have to write, you know,
you have to, I mean after this relinkan test.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
I mean we're all I think we were all all.

Speaker 9 (11:54):
Right to say, you know what, Gary, maybe this might
be it for you. But he's just overseen this incredible feet.
If they come back here to New Zealand and beat
England in similar fashion, he's probably going to get a nighthood.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Well, who knows, I mean, anything is possible with this
squad now. Now, okay, I'm a little bit worried about
the head knocks and the All Blacks and what that's
going to do to the Irish game, are you Yeah?

Speaker 9 (12:17):
I think Island your favorite.

Speaker 11 (12:18):
Now.

Speaker 9 (12:18):
I had a quick check at the tab and they
certainly think they are the hooking position worries me the most.
Cody Taylor's been so good. Not there no Summersauny talk
with our horse so i'l moor and George Bowe an
absolute rookie. And Brodie McAllister who's never played for the
All Blackstone and he's eve ever been in an All
Black squad comes in. That's Neglick. No boat in Barrett either.
I know some people will probably be quite pleased about that.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
I'm not.

Speaker 9 (12:41):
I like him there, so yeah, I think this definitely
swings things fairly firmly in the favor of the home side.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
On Saturday morning, Piney, thank you so much, appreciate it.
We'll talk to you again soon. That's Jason Pie and
Sports Store Coast to be back at seven o'clock this evening.
Hither I live and Havelock, North Clive is only ten
minutes away. Why can't parents drop the kids off? Well,
I would look again. I'm getting texts along these lines.
I used to bust it Intermediate at the bus stop
six point fifty. It is what it is here that

(13:07):
these kids are snowflakes. Why can't they bicycle in? I mean,
I don't know if you know, if you know this
particular part of the world, But it's a quite a
busy piece of Stretcher Road and it is pretty narrow
if I remember correctly, I don't know that i'd want
the kids. I mean, and cars go fast nowadays, right,
it's not the nineteen fifties as with a cruddy old
you know whatever. One of those cards, take the child out.

(13:30):
That's the end of the chart, like it's no contest.
So I would think that on balance, given the options
available being a bus at seven o'clock in the morning,
a potentially life ending bicycle trip, or the parents dropping
the kids off, is that not the obvious solution? Why
are the parents dropping the kids off? Why is that
not just what is happening? If you live rurally in

(13:53):
Clive and your child is going to school and Havelock
North and the bus has just been pulled, your only
option is to drop them off. Is it not full
twenty three?

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
It's Heather Duplicy Allen, drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be hither.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
You do realize that parents have to go to work,
don't you here? The cars are faster now because of
the current government's stance, and so I shut up, stop it,
stop making this political. I'm sick of it. I'm just
sick of it. Aren't you got to that point? I'm
up to here with the American politics. I don't need
any more of this nonsense from you, Thanks very much, Heather.
As a ten year old in nineteen eighty, I had
to catch two public buses to and from school every

(14:34):
single day across Auckland by myself. Left home at quarter
to seven in the morning, home at five or six
thirty after netball practice, et cetera. No option to be
driven to or from school. Ever, I survived. Bunch of winers.
Don't make them like they used to do they Quinn.
Are these softies our snowflake generation? Anyway? Whatever? Listen, I'm
just thinking about it as a parent, right, Like, come on,

(14:55):
your options are you either pack the kid in the
car at eight and drop them off on the way
to work or whatever, or you have to try to
get them out the door before seven?

Speaker 12 (15:02):
Oh hell no, hell no, that's way.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Worse for you. What time are you up to try
to get the cat out the door? It's seven? Oh no? Stuff?
That no me being selfish, I'm gonna burn those climate
miles of my car, that's for damn sure. Now listen,
this Iowa pole is sent to bolt bolt through the
US election, hasn't it. So the Iowa poll, Just if
you haven't caught up on this, what has happened is
Iowa was kind of like everybody assumed that that's a
trumpy state that's gonna go red. Well, the latest poll,

(15:29):
and it's a reputable pole, shows Kamala Harris has now
got a lead. Now, to be fair, the lead isn't massive.
It's three points. But he was leading in June by
was it eighteen points? It was eighteen points over Biden.
So that's quite a reversal. It now basically begs the question, though,
I mean, look, either something massive has happened here or

(15:50):
it's a rogue pole. And even the most credible polsters
will get one in something like twenty or twenty six
or something like that. Wrong. So that's a possibility, and
I'd say my gut says it's probably that. Anyway, we'll
talk to Henry Elson, the poster out of the states,
after five he still.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Zb Hard questions strong opinion ever due for see allan
drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and news
talk as z B.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Right after five o'clock we'll have a chat to Henry Elsen.
The polster text on that says, hither. The thing about
the Iowa poll is it has been within one point
every election in that state for the last twenty years,
including calling the state correctly and against the other polling
in eight, sixteen and twenty. It's from Allen this is
the credibility of this particular pole is very good in
this state. Anyway. The weird thing about what's going on

(16:47):
at the moment with the US election is that every
week the vibe is different. Right this week it feels
like Karmela's ahead. You can see the kind the money
that's been put on the markets for Trump to win
is pulled back slightly, So it feels like Karmla's going
to win. But last week it felt like Trump was
going to win, and the week before that Trump was
going to win. In the week before that, Karmela was
going to win. So the lead keeps changing all the time.
I still think, I still I still think on numbers

(17:10):
it's trumpies, But the vibe is different, isn't it. Anyway? Listen,
Prime ministers holding a press conference at the moment, post
cabinet press conference, they've announced that this is cabinet have
announced that they're going to try to do something for
the kids who are doing badly at maths. So as
we know, I think it's was it like two percent
or something like that. The kids are okay with maths

(17:31):
at certain age groups and everybody else pretty much sucks
at it. So the government's going to set some money aside.
It's about two million bucks, not a lot, but it's
for a trial, and they're going to trial an intensive
course to help the kids get better at maths. So
this is for year sevens and year eights from next year.
They'll get thirty minutes extra tuition up to four days
a week. And we'll have a chat to Erica Stanford

(17:51):
about that. The minister in about half an hour's time,
twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Forty eight hours until election day in the US, and
both the presidential candidates are busy campaign And Karmela has
been reading the Bible in Michigan.

Speaker 12 (18:07):
Jeremi roll for I know the plans I have for you.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
They are the plans for good and not for disaster.
And Trump has told Pennsylvanian voters that he'll be upset
if the vote counting takes too long.

Speaker 13 (18:27):
These elections have to be they have to be decided
by nine o'clock, ten o'clock, eleven o'clock on Tuesday night.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
A bunch are crooked people. These are crooked people.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
King of Spain has been pelted by mud during a
visit to flood hit areas in Valencia. Now residents have
accused the authorities of failing to warn them of the
danger before the flood's happened. This man says the timing
of the King's visit was off.

Speaker 14 (18:54):
When people come here for a footo opportunity, that makes
me furious. But we have to move on. Look at
the streets. It's going to take months to clear and
fame the dad. It was so badly organized from the start.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
And finally Chris Martin is okay, he's safe. He's uninjured
because he you know, he fell through the trap door
while he was on stage in Melbourne yesterday. Now, the
Coldplay singer was walking backwards during a break between songs
and he didn't spot the open trap door in time.
He who leaves a trap door open? Here's how the
crowd an Chris reacted. That's said, that's not planned. At

(19:32):
the end there you heard him thank the crew member
underneath the trap door for actually catching him.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Life presenters with us.

Speaker 10 (19:45):
Hey, Ollie, Hey that we got Cold Player a year ago,
so Perth was first. Howard's that My gosh, honestly you are?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Has anybody told you how competitive you are?

Speaker 2 (19:56):
What?

Speaker 15 (19:57):
I'm also barracking for the New Zealand Greek team. How
good is it you want three zip against India?

Speaker 10 (20:02):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I got a message from somebody and I can't find
it right now because it's somewhere in my email and box,
like way way down. But it's somebody who calls himselfs
a sports broadcaster in Australia who wrote to me to
say he wanted to come on our show and tell
us off for constantly getting excited about punching above our
way to the sporting world, and nobody really cares like

(20:23):
That's how badly Australians have taken the fact that we
actually are better than them at cricket.

Speaker 15 (20:27):
I don't even know whose is so I'm on board, right.
I don't know why I really like your cricket. I
hate your rugby team, but I love your cricket team
because you are the underdog, because you're not meant to
be very good at cricket, right, and the fact that
you are and you always exactly. I love the underdog
story of New Zealand and I sincerely mean that, so

(20:48):
I am all for I'm in your corner. I think
that's one of the greatest sporting achievements ever that New
Zealand has been India three nil in conditions which are
impossible to be victorious. So you deserve, you deserve to
give your was a big pad on the back and
celebrate it long and hard all week. For you know
what your knew PM should be getting you all the
day off today.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Public holiday, and I think exactly so. I appreciate how
magnanimous you're being right now, Oliver. Thank you for that's
very out of character for you. Hey, listen on something serious.
Have they managed to find this eleven year old?

Speaker 16 (21:17):
No?

Speaker 10 (21:18):
No, yeah, isn't this awful? I mean, this is just horrible.

Speaker 15 (21:20):
You had an eleven year old, a seven year old
and a three year old just standing there on the
Central coast yesterday and they got swept out into the
ocean by the currents. The three year old the seven
year old have been found. The eleven year old, you
would presume, unfortunately whenever going to find him, or he
won't be alive.

Speaker 10 (21:35):
That's what he's just so sad.

Speaker 15 (21:37):
The forty three year old father tried to get to
his son disappeared under the water.

Speaker 10 (21:41):
Police were out there.

Speaker 15 (21:42):
They had an extensive land and air and sea search
that was obviously suspended when they lost light yesterday. But
they're back out there today. They'll continue throughout the day,
but you would imagine it probably wouldn't go much further
if they don't recover a body.

Speaker 10 (21:53):
That is just heartbreaking. For that poor family.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, I totally agree. Now is anybody so I see
Virgin wants to fly Ossie's politicians and can ever can
they do it for cheap? Is any politician going to
want to fly Virgin?

Speaker 16 (22:05):
Well?

Speaker 15 (22:06):
This is Look, this is part of the problem, to
be honest, and I understand that absolutely. I mean, I
think all companies around Australia and New Zealand at the
moment are really putting the pressure on their employees to
try and take the cheapest possible flight at the most
convenient time. I don't think anyone would say that it
would be worth trying to pay more money to go
on on a more expensive airline if all of a

(22:27):
sudden the flights were leaving it at the same time.

Speaker 10 (22:28):
But you don't remember Virgin, he's a really small.

Speaker 15 (22:31):
Player in Australia now, it's only about twenty percent of
the domestic aviation market. But look, they do make a
good point because supposedly these contracts are worth about two
hundred and fifty million dollars per year to fly the
Polls and their staff around Australia. Virgin only has a
twenty three percent of that two hundred and fifty million
dollar spend, so it wants to up that spend. But
they've got obviously put on more planes, have more accessibility.

(22:52):
Like give you an example, if you want to fly
from Perth to Canberra, there's only one flight a day
on quantas. Virgin don't even fly from Perth to Canbras.
And if you've got to go to Melbourne or Sydney,
I want you to be a five hour direct flight.
I mean you're talking ten or twelve hours. So sometimes
it's not as convenient. I do believe though they should
be trying to find that. You know, if you've got
a flight leaving at seven am in the morning, it's
going from Sydney to Canberra and the corners ones three

(23:14):
times is more expensive, We'll fly Virgin, but you can
understand that people are going to be flying on the
more convenient times. Yes, it might cost more, but maybe
there has to be more pressure on reviewing whatever is
the cheapest available at whatever is the time that.

Speaker 10 (23:27):
Is also going to be working for that particular individual.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, I suppose so. I mean it's a bit of
a pain rate because you get into the club's quant
just don't you.

Speaker 10 (23:34):
Yeah, that's wrong.

Speaker 15 (23:34):
In the chairman's club, right, I think we want to
begrudge people getting in their header and getting a little
drink and a sausage roll before you take off.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
It's just convenient. Hey. So what has the opposition got
planned for Woolorths and Coals that they get.

Speaker 10 (23:45):
In So, I mean that's talked tough by saying they
break them up.

Speaker 15 (23:48):
Basically, that's what David little Proud wanted to do the
National Party leader.

Speaker 10 (23:51):
It's walk back on that a little bit.

Speaker 15 (23:53):
But what he's now saying is if they have bought
a parcel of land saying Western Sydney that they're not
doing anything with that they're sitting on because they don't
want their rival to set up opposing supermarket.

Speaker 10 (24:03):
They're going to force them to sell that land.

Speaker 15 (24:05):
So they're going to force them to say, if you're
not going to develop it within say five years, sell
it that another player come in. That's the start of
their policy. Now they're going to try and obviously sell
this to the Australian public by saying this is about
cost of living pressures and trying to reduce your grocery bills.
By saying if Colson Woolies don't want it, maybe Aldi
wants it. Maybe an independent wants it, maybe somebody else

(24:26):
wants it to try and save you a few bucks
at the checkout. I think it's a hard one to
try and again sell to the general population. I don't
think that they're sitting on dozens and dozens of greenfield
sites and you'll probably find ultimately Heather one of these
other big major supermarket chains, one of the smaller ones
looks at it and thinks, so hold on, we probably
wouldn't be able to develop it make any money ourselves.

Speaker 10 (24:46):
So look seem to be doing something absolutely theory. It
sounds good practice, good.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Lucky to write, well said, Thank you, Olie, appreciate it.
Oliver Peterson six pr Perth Life present. Here this is
the message, shoat I got. What time of the morning
was this?

Speaker 11 (25:01):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (25:01):
No, I was in midday? No, so that's all right.
It's not a nutter up at the middle of the
night here that This is from Leonard Hither. I am
fed up with New Zealand print media claiming quote world
attention whenever they win a sporting event eg. Cricket, rugby,
et cetera. Fact as most of the world couldn't give
a ratsass about it, let alone know about it. Happy
to cut loose on your show. I'm a broadcasting journalist

(25:21):
and writer. Shall just go to Leetna because I actually
quite like pretending that everybody cares caught it.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
To politics was centric credit, check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Certainty Barry Soo, Presenior Political Correspondence with US Barry, Hello,
tell me about this claim about the gang raid.

Speaker 17 (25:35):
Well, you've got to say the Prime Minister was harangued
at his post cabinet news conference a few minutes ago.
It was about the police raid on the mongrel mogue,
a mob and a potocky. Recently, the claim was made
that a three year old was left under tended in
a house for several hours after the mother and the
grandmother were taken away by the police. Apparently, according to

(25:56):
the question or at the press conference, the police prevented
extend family members from getting to the child. Chris Luckson
says he'll look into it, but refuse to apologize for
the police raiding gangs.

Speaker 18 (26:09):
And that's really really tragic. And I've just said to
you before that's not acceptable. I get that, But equally
what's not acceptable yep, But what's also not acceptable? I've
said that, But what is also not acceptable. I want
you to be really clear about this is the gang
behavior is utterly unacceptable. But we said we had come
down on violent crime, and that is why we're being

(26:29):
tough on gangs, patches, assorting, consulting, aggravating factors are illegal guns.
That's what we're going after. That's what the police have
new powers to deal with from the end of the month.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Fully responsible for that violence.

Speaker 18 (26:44):
For those we're incredibly challenging, really unacceptable.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Get it.

Speaker 17 (26:48):
I can't imagine for the life of me that if
the police knew there was a three year old unattended
in one of those houses they raised, that they wouldn't
have sent somebody in for that child.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
How long are they supposed to have left the child?

Speaker 17 (27:01):
Several hours? I do not, simply do not believe it,
But no doubt the story will unfold as a result
of that exchange. Its press contract just sort of interest.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Who was that having a crack at the pen?

Speaker 17 (27:12):
I think I don't know, Okay, I think it was
somebody from one of the Maori challenge Interesting.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Okay, cool? Cool? Now what do you make of Chris
Luxon calling voters customers?

Speaker 17 (27:23):
Oh? Honestly, He was asked whether he would do anything
differently a year on from his first term, and he
said that he maybe would say that maybe they haven't
moved fast enough in some areas, but he said he's
made mistakes and he could have expressed himself better. Luxman

(27:43):
was pulled up for the way he talks on in
the interview with Radio New Zealand that got him into
trouble with the Wokesters have a listen.

Speaker 18 (27:52):
It's been a belief system of mine. If you don't
talk to the customer, to the to the public, to
the people, the voters and actual you find out what
they're concerned are. If you lose touch with the people,
you actually don't have a sense or a feel of
what they need you to deliver for them. I'm the
fastest person to get from entering politics to being Prime Minister.
It means that I come with a different set of skills,
and it means that I'm also not going to be
perfect in my answers, and I yes, I need to

(28:14):
work harder on less corporate speak.

Speaker 17 (28:16):
It doesn't worry me in the slightest that he sees
voters as customers. We are customers. I mean we're we
should be treated like customers, and the customer is never wrong,
of course, but you know, we should be seen as
people who are expecting something out of a government, and
that is a customer. It might be a voter as well,

(28:38):
but who cares about the terminology.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Also, I think he needs to stop apologizing for the corporate.

Speaker 17 (28:44):
Corporate st to apologize that.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Is who he authentically is. And this is his problem,
is that he's trying to kind of shad the real
Chrysluxin to create. I think maybe what he thinks the
customer wants, but actually the customer already voted for that prisluction,
you know.

Speaker 17 (28:59):
So he's delivering for customer.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
He needs to stick with the corporate speak. That's the
one thing he's actually good at.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Right.

Speaker 17 (29:03):
I agree, I don't disagree with it at all.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Now, what do you make of this case? It's been
dropped that the free speech was alluded us to.

Speaker 17 (29:10):
You've got all the free speech union, Jonathan Ailing, he's
the chief executive. He said he was proud for the
union to have managed this case. In March this year,
a chap called Paul Burns spent Sunday, as he regularly does,
on Lampton Key encouraging public debate on his anti abortion stance. Well,

(29:33):
he had one hundred dollar bills posted to one of
his play cards. When he was approached by some young
people willing to engage in the debate. One of them
said that abortion was just, but the.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
One hundred dollar bills irrelevant because he's offering one hundred
dollars to someone who can argue against him. Yes, that
his abortion stance.

Speaker 17 (29:52):
Is wrong, Yes, that's wrong, so that's right. So this
young group of young people came along and he turned
the argument around and he said that they said that
they were anti abortion, and he said, because the world
was overpopulated.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Was okay, because we sorry, so the.

Speaker 17 (30:15):
World was overpopulated and anyway, he turned it around and
apparently this got him arrested. He said, why don't you
go out and kill yourself? And it was probably going
a bit overboard, but the police arrested him initially on
a Philly minor charge of using offensive language. They upgraded
it to disorderly behavior and then moved on to a
more aggravated form of disorderly behavior. Today they withdrew the

(30:37):
case in court, and I think good on them, because
that's what should have been done, and speaking of free speech, header,
could any woman vote for this man? Never listened to
another outburst from Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Donald Palmer was all man.

Speaker 13 (30:52):
And I say that in all due respect to women,
and I love women. But this guy, this guy, this
is a guy that was old man. His man was
strong and tough. And they refused to say it. But
when he took showers with the other pros, they came
out of there they said, oh my god, that's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
I had to say it was he talking about his willing. Well,
of course, let us go, Mary.

Speaker 17 (31:22):
It wants women to vote for him.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
He's winning seven away from five.

Speaker 19 (31:28):
All the big names are wrong, the breakfast, The police
are changing the way they do mental health call outs.
You can see the angst by way of media coverage
and listen the ensuing weeks, can't you. It's not your fault.
But I see this as a mind field. I see
any number of n g O s and people want
them to stir trouble politically, bringing any number of newsrooms going.

(31:49):
And I left them there and they did this, and
the police were nowhere to be seen, et cetera. And
that's and that's that's for you to deal with isn't.

Speaker 8 (31:55):
It well, police will still go to anyone that's risker
harming themselves.

Speaker 19 (31:59):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain Driver of the Lawn News Talk zb Hey.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
So, Hannah and Brian Tarmiki are in court today for breaches,
alleged breaches of the lockdowns that were happening in twenty
twenty one. We're going to talk to Aman. You will
get into this. We'll get into this. We'll have a
chat to Steve Cullen, the lawyer about that, because that's
an interesting little blast from the past, isn't it? Not
one that you necessarily want? And this is an interesting

(32:26):
thing that popped up on One News last night. So
it turns out that recently the coppers busted eleven Vietnamese
for marijuana production. So like they were doing it was
a fair amount. It wasn't just like it wasn't just
your average like tiny little tinnea house in the back
of Turcow type job, do you know what I mean?
Like it was it was a serious thing. They had
eighteen million dollars worth of marijuana in their rented houses

(32:49):
and so you're thinking, oh jeez, that's going to clog
up the courts. No, no, nobody got prosecuted. Nobody got charged.
Check them on a plane, sent them back to Vietnam. Now,
at first my first reaction was are you a fair
enough because we don't really have the money to be
spending locking these guys up. But then I was okay,
what did they go back? And then they tell all
their mates, oh, man, go to New Zealand. You can
make tons of money until they bust you. Then they
just send you home, give you a free ticke at home.

(33:11):
That's probably not a good idea. We'll talk to Mark Mitchell,
the Police Minister, about that after half past five. But
next up Henry Olsen, the polster, on Who's going to win?
News Talk to z'b.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.
Heather due to Clan drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Good afternoon. We've got another twist in the US election,
which is now only two days away. A poll and
ioware considered a safe Trump state, now has Carmla Harrison
the lead by three points. Now Donald Trump has disputed
the poll in a post on social media, saying polster
Jay Anne Seltzer as a Trump hater and that Iowas
farmers love him. Henry Olsen is an American polster who's
been on the show many many times before. Welcome back here,

(34:00):
Thank you for having me back now, Henry, is this
a rogue poll or do you reckon? It's on the money.

Speaker 20 (34:06):
She has a great reputation, so it's hard to say
it's a rogue pole. But it's so far out of
mainstream of where I has been over the last decade
that I have to think that she's got one of
those samples that bolsters say you get one out of
every twenty times. I can see Trump doing a little worse,
but it's hard to see Trump losing a state that

(34:26):
he carried by eight points in twenty twenty.

Speaker 21 (34:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
The weird thing about the selection is it feels like
Kamala's in the lead this week. Trump was in the
lead last week. A couple of weeks before that, Kamala
was in the lead. Have you ever seen a race
change the lead this much?

Speaker 20 (34:42):
Not really, And I've never seen a race that's been
fifty to fifty like this. You've seen races that have
a convergence, like carold Ford and Carter where it moved
to fifty to fifty. You have a race like Reagan
and Carter in nineteen eighty where it starts at fifty
to fifty and then it breaks the idea that it's
just been neck and neck, like horses running nose to

(35:06):
nose for half of the race that I've never seen
anything like that in the presidential campaign.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Who do you reckon is at the moment showing the
greatest signs of strength? I mean because at the moment
you've got a lot of women turning up, giving the
Democrats hope. But then you've also got a lot of
Republicans voting early, which is unusual, giving the Republicans vote hope.
So what are you reading here?

Speaker 20 (35:27):
Yeah, I think there's signs for both candidates. It's very
hard to call this race. But you take a look
at the data on the early voting, and they slightly
favor the Republicans. That women are voting but not as
great a rate, more than in the past, and whereas
Republicans are voting at a greater rate than in the past.

(35:48):
And we'll find out if those are new Republicans, or
if those are just election day Republicans who have moved
up the timing of their ballots.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Okay, well, then explain something to me, Henry, because I
thought the Republicans were getting really nervous, which is why
Trump was starting to behave increasingly weird because I just
assumed he was worried and desperate. If he's not worried
and desperate, why is he behaving like this?

Speaker 20 (36:11):
Well, I think because he's Donald Trump, you know.

Speaker 11 (36:17):
I think.

Speaker 20 (36:19):
I think he is older. I think he's wearing down
a bit. I think it's difficult for him to keep
up the physical pace that he's been going on to
three rallies a day across the country, and tired people
make mistakes. Joe Biden when he was tired, would have
more gaffs, and I suspect for Donald Trump when he's tired,

(36:39):
he lashes out more.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Okay, So what does your gut say if you can't,
if you can't actually call it based on what you're saying,
who do you think wins?

Speaker 20 (36:47):
Well, my actual prediction is going to be posted in
the New York Post Monday morning, and I'm calling a
very narrow victory for Trump. In the electoral college. Why,
I think that when I look at the polling averages,
Harris is not winning the degree of independence that she needs,

(37:09):
and that the country has changed. It's moved slightly to
the right in the last couple of years, and that's
reflected in the polling. This might be the first election
in twenty years where the Democrats don't have a partisan
edge on election day, and when you put those two
factors together, it suggests a narrow but wide breath victory

(37:33):
for Trump in the electoral college.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Henry, it's really good to talk to you. Thank you
so much for having a chat to us. Appreciate it.
We'll talk to you again soon. Henry Olsen, American Polster.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Eaver due for see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
All right, So, Disney Church leaders Brian and Hannah Tommackie
have been in court today for allegedly breaking the big
Auckland lockdown of twenty twenty one. Now, if you cast
your mind back, you'll remember the Tamicky's held those protests
in the Auckland domain in October and November of twenty
twenty one. When the biggest city in the country is
supposed to be under lockdown. There there are a couple
of other defendants also facing charges. Steve Cullen is a
criminal lawyer with us. Now, hey, Steve, Oh, Steve is

(38:07):
worth our time and our money to be pursuing something
three years later when there aren't lockdowns anymore.

Speaker 22 (38:12):
Well, I hear on that we're a bit between a
rock and a hard place, because if delay meant that
charges weren't pursued, then of course everybody would delay.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
And we do have cases of.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Historical fraud and historical sets.

Speaker 22 (38:23):
But this listit of generous guidelines would be applied to this,
One would think that have to have a good close
look at it and assess whether it's viable to carry
on or not. I don't really want to comment any
more than that.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
No, I take your point at the point I'm trying
to make, because the difference between this and any standard
delay is that if you rape somebody and then try
to delay it, a rape is still a rape is
still going to be a crime many many years later.
But at the moment it's a bit different with us,
isn't it, Because we're not doing the lockdowns anymore, are we.

Speaker 6 (38:50):
That's right, And I would think they're taking a look
out the gravity of the situation now with hindsight, but
I suppose they can't. They have to deal with it
on the basis of the out was viewed at the time,
and to take a really strict approach. If you take
somebody flouting public orders when it's in the interests of
the nation and then the interests of health, that's got
to be viewed seriously.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, I can know what's the argument because there's no
disputing that they were there. We saw them with our
own eyes. So why are they fighting this.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
Well, one would think they're very competent and experience counsel
there With mister Manti or Casey, one would think he's
either got a very good legal or technical point. You
could be arguing under the Bill of Right Seck that
they had freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, or he
made and be trying to say that there's some challenge
to the legislation that excluded people from forming public gathering.
So we'll all be watching the brief to see what

(39:37):
the argument is and see how well it progresses.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah, I agree with you. It's gonna be fascinating. Hey,
thank you, Steve, Steve Cullen criminal lawyer.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Together do to see Ellenhither I bet.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
You a chocolate fish that Carmela wins based on nothing
other than a feeling in me bones. Honestly, Paul, that's
probably about as reliable as everything else at the moment,
feelings in ye bones. I'll take you up on that
chocolate fish. I still think Trump will and that's based
on a feeling in me bones. But also just a
close look at some of those swings state Pole I said, Look,
I go back to the same argument. Every single time

(40:08):
she is not ahead in enough of the swing states
by enough of a margin. He's leading her in some
of them. And then if he's behind her, he's just
behind her. And he always overperforms. So if he overperforms,
like he always does, he takes it. It feels like
a slam dunk to me. But then again, we'll see
what happens, because even the people who actually do this
for a living don't want to call it on the
call of it at the moment. Anyway, listen on this

(40:29):
stuff that Barry Soaper was just talking about. So we've
got a little bit more detail on what's happened here.
This is where the cops were raiding gang houses, but
specifically the gang houses in a Porticki. And what the
allegation is is that while the cops were doing the
gang gang the raiding of the gang houses, there were
children involved, some as young as three, So it sounds
like three and up and wider family were trying to

(40:52):
be able to get to the kids and get the kids.
You know, I don't know sounds of the kids in
the house, although that's a question I would like to
have answered, But the family were trying to get who
the kids to look after them while these gang were
at these police raids were going on for hours at
any end, and the police would not not allow that
to happen. So the question is were the kids as
young as three? Make Mitchell's going to be on the

(41:12):
program with us in about maybe twenty minutes time, we're
going to ask him about this. Were the kids in
the house? Were they as young as three? Were family
trying to get a hold of them? Did this go
on for hours? And we'll see if we can get
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Speaker 1 (42:18):
Heather do for see allen Hea.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
The lockdowns were never in the public God actually, I'm
going to deal with the lockdowns and the tarmaquis And
just to tack it's nineteen past five now the governments
announced it's going to try to get kids a little
bit of help with some of those maths issues. So
from next year there's going to be a trial of
maths tuition two thousand, Year seven and year eight students
will be part of this program. It will be intensive.
The kids will get thirty minutes extra tuition up to
four days a week in the Education Minister's Erica Stanford, Hey, Erica, Hello,

(42:44):
how are you? I'm very well, thank you. So what
is this? Is this the kids sitting in a classroom
learning from a teacher dedicated thirty minutes.

Speaker 23 (42:50):
A day something like that. We know that all of
the international evidence tells us that if you are really
far behind, especially in mathematics, one of the best interventions
you can do is intensive tutoring in small groups to
get up to where you need to be. Because a
lot of our students have missed big chunks of their
learning and mathematics, and we are particularly targeting those in

(43:11):
year seven and eight who are not going to see
all of the benefits of our amazing new curriculum and
all of our new materials, and they're going to go
off into high school and you know, not be where
they need to be. So we've had reading interventions in
the past, we've never had one for maths, and my
intention is that we put this trial up, see what
it does, and then roll it out.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah okay, see it's only for two thousand this time around,
but how many thousands of actually need it? Do you think?

Speaker 23 (43:35):
Oh, there'll be many thousands of kids that need it.
I just want to make sure we're doing the right thing.
We have done some trials in the past or that
the previous government have as well around tutoring, and we
learned some lessons there. But this is going to be
a high bred model where we have some young people
learning groups of Ford just with a tutor by themselves
four times a week half an hour. And then we'll
have a highbred model where we've got that happening plus

(43:57):
some online learning using a maths program as well. And
so we've got a few different things running. We're going
to see which one after twelve weeks works the best,
which is the best intervention, and then we will lock
to roll that out.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Listen, Erica. We spoke at the very start of the
program to a couple of principles from Halock, North Europe,
said about the bus being cut for the schools coming
in from Clive which is about ten or fifteen minutes away.
Is this just a cost saving thing by the Ministry
of Education.

Speaker 23 (44:22):
Well, it's not cost saving at all. Any eligible child
who is eligible for a school bus will get it.
The issue that we've got is we have rules in
place and are for ineligible students. The Ministry does reviews constantly.
They do them every single year to see as children
move in and out of different areas and different schools

(44:43):
are used eligible for school transport and if you're not,
then the route will change. So it's going I think
in that particular case there is a public bus that
is available, then it becomes so we are the Ministry
are the provider of last resort when there is nothing
else of a But if there is a public bus,
it is then on the Council to make sure that

(45:03):
that route is on time and then picking up the
right kids from the right place. That is up to them.
But look, I acknowledge that there are some probably some
things we can do much better. It's called transport. In
March or February March this year, I have tasked the
Ministry with some work to go away and have a
look at how we can do better.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Cool Erica thank you so much appreciated. Erica Stanford, Education Minister,
five twenty two.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
use dogs.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
That'd be whether I hope.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Jan Toinetti is listening to an interview with Erica Stanford.
She couldn't do in several years what Erica Stanford has
done in one year. That's because she didn't treat us
like customers. But Erica is twenty five past five. Now listen.
I'm not going to advocate for the charges against Brian
and this is tummicky to be dropped because ah, I
don't know. I don't know enough about the case to
know if that's the right thing to advocate for. And
you know, they've got to answer for what they did.

(45:57):
I suppose that's how the system works. But I feel
like pointing out that this is mildly ridiculous, isn't it.
It feels mildly ridiculous for us to be prosecuting the
Tarmaquis right now for breaking the lockdowns that happened three
years ago, when right now we don't have any lockdowns anymore.
It feels kind of like we're punishing a crime that
actually isn't a crime anymore. I mean, why do we
prosecute people, Why do we put them through the courts,

(46:18):
Why do we chuck them in jail? We do that
because a we want to punish them for doing something
that hurts somebody else. But these guys, actually them breaking
that big Auckland lockdown in twenty twenty one didn't actually
hurt anyone, did it? Because by October when they held
their first rally at the Auckland domain, we were getting
thirty plus cases a day. I mean, the lockdown had

(46:38):
completely failed already by that stage. They weren't doing anything
to really make the situation much much worse. Also, the
other reason that we prosecute people is because we want
to dissuade others from doing the same thing. We're like,
we're checking these people in jail, so you look at that.
Don't you do that either? Well, no one else is
going to do the same thing, are they. There aren't
any lockdowns anymore, and there probably won't be any lockdowns

(46:58):
in our lifetime ever. Again, So what's the point? I
can't I'm just not angry at the Timikies I'm not
angry at the turmakeyes for what they did, because I
think that in retrospect we can now see that that
lockdown in Auckland in the latter end part of twenty
twenty one was actually pointless. It did not save the
lives that we were told it would save. Remember how
we locked down Auckland to buy the rest of the

(47:19):
country time to get vaccinated to save lives. Well, according
to the latest numbers that I've seen from our world
and data, we are so close to the global average
of confirmed COVID deaths it hardly even warrants debate. Doesn't
look like we saved any lives at all at all
with that lockdown in Auckland. So I don't know what
we're going to get from slapping these two with if
that's what it comes to the maximum punishment of up

(47:40):
to six months in jail and four thousand dollars in fines,
other than I suppose just making their disaffected supporters angry
all over again. This court case feels like nothing to
me but a reminder of a time that I would
frankly rather forget.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Heather duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Now I enjoyed the hacker at the weekend only because
I thoroughly enjoyed the reaction from the English, but I
just want to point something out to Kay. So they
reacted by walking up to the halfway line the English,
which is within the rules. We the All Blacks reacted
by walking up to the ten meter line, which is allowed,
and then we walked across the ten meter line, which

(48:14):
is not allowed. Now that's breaking the rules set by
World Rugby for what you can do. In the Hacker,
last time that happened was twenty nineteen when the English,
I think, walked across their line and they got slapped
with a two thousand pound fine. So I'm looking forward
to seeing the All Blacks slapped with a fine for
breaking the rules. You think that's going to happen, No,
because everybody treats us special, don't they headlines.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Next, the day's newsmakers talked to Heather First, Heather dupic
allan drive with One New Zealand let's get connected and
news talk.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
The'd be.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Heather, Yes, definitely, do the Tarmiques as hard as we can.
There's not a more deserving couple than the Tarmarque, says,
so people just don't like them. That's why you want
to just chuck them in jail and do all these
things right. That's from Simon, Thank you Simon. This is
going to rip the undies of the Parliamentary Select Committee
that's trying to hold the big bank's feet to the fire. A.
Westpac has just reported a ten percent increase in the

(49:19):
after tax profit, so they've cracked a billion dollars last
year it was just nine hundred and sixty three. Now
it's way over a billion. Anyway, Luckily for the Select Committee,
they're not going to have to wait too long to
have a real crack at the CEO of Westpac because
Catherine McGrath is going to appear before them in about
two weeks time, so stand by for that anyway. Nikola

(49:40):
Willis is with us after six and she obviously it's
been going quite hard on the banks. We'll have a
chat to her about that very shortly. Huddle standing by
right now. It's twenty four away from six.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Ever, Duel, you're the weird one for you.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
So it's been revealed that police busted at some stage
eleven Vietnamese immigrants who are growing pot and rented homes
in Auckland and in quite a lot of marijuana. By
the way, I had eighteen million dollars worth. But instead
of chucking these guys through the courts like we're doing
to the tarmarquees, they just popped them on a plane
back to Vietnam and said Tatar police Minister Mark Mitchell
is with us now on.

Speaker 11 (50:10):
This Hey match, hi here, how are you?

Speaker 3 (50:12):
I'm well, thank you. Why didn't we put them in
this lanner?

Speaker 11 (50:15):
Well?

Speaker 24 (50:15):
I think that, yes, they were part of a cannabis operation,
but I don't think the police felt like they were
sort of the head.

Speaker 11 (50:24):
Of the operation at all, and in the.

Speaker 24 (50:26):
Fact of the matter, as they were here illegally, and
so that obviously, between police and immigration they felt the
best thing was to do and they have discretion, was
to send them straight back to Vietnam, which I fully support.

Speaker 11 (50:37):
Actually, but isn't the.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Problem here that it's going to encourage others to just
do the same thing.

Speaker 11 (50:42):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 24 (50:43):
I think it sends a pretty clear message that we're
not going to tolerate people coming here living here illegally,
We're not going to be taxpayers, are not going to
fund them or support them, and we'll send them straight
back to the country.

Speaker 11 (50:55):
They've come from.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
But Mitch, I mean, if I was sitting over there
and if this was my line of business, I think, jeez,
that's that's a pretty sweet deal right there. I can
go over to New zealand grow some pot, make heaps
of money, and then the worst thing that's possibly going
to happen to me is that they send me home.
That's not that bad.

Speaker 24 (51:11):
Well, I think to put some contexts around and again
I can't talk too much into it because its an
ongoing investigation. And I don't think that these guys. These
guys were what's called foot soldiers. They went the ones
at the head of it. The police have got an
on well, I don't know, because often they used the
slave labor some of these people as well.

Speaker 11 (51:30):
But the reality is this is that they are illegal here.

Speaker 24 (51:33):
Illegally they were going to be a big cost to
the text power. The police and immigration work together. They
have discretion around this. They felt that the best thing
to do for us as the country has put them
on a plane straight back to Vietnam. Vietnam, and sure,
I'm sure that they will be in contact with the
officials there to let them know why they're being returned.

Speaker 11 (51:52):
In the circumstances.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Is this a one off specific to these guys rather
than a new blanket policy, which is if you're not
from here and we catch you doing something like us,
we've seen you home.

Speaker 11 (52:03):
No, it's not.

Speaker 24 (52:04):
Every situation is different and police retain the discretion in
terms of how they deal with it.

Speaker 11 (52:09):
I mean, obviously, cannabis is a legal in this country.

Speaker 24 (52:13):
It's the police's job to enforce the law, but police
will exercise discretion as to whether or not to prosecute.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Listen, what is the story with this three year old
caught up in the gang raids in a Portokey? Was
this three year old unattended for hours?

Speaker 11 (52:26):
Look, I don't know.

Speaker 24 (52:27):
I've only just heard about that myself today, but I
can tell you that I was over at the Podokey
just a few days ago meeting with the EUE and
there was a couple of anecdotal stories that were floating
around that related to children that were proved not to
be accurate. My own experience is that the police are outstanding.
They're specially sense of around dealing with kids. A lot
of police officers are parents themselves, and the police have

(52:49):
done an outstanding job with the work they've done over
on the East coast, the people of a podo Key,
the community, I feel like they've got some breathing space
now in a chance to reset.

Speaker 11 (52:59):
I'm very proud of the week that has been done.

Speaker 24 (53:01):
There's been a lot of a motive language and accusations
made out there, none of it verified and certainly the
meeting that I had with the EWE and a Podogu
was very positive.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
I mean, okay, so if you don't know, do you
genuinely not know anything about this? Cops haven't told you anything?

Speaker 24 (53:18):
Well, yes, So the information I have from the police
is that no, there's no no three year olds left
in the that have to come forward with the details
on it.

Speaker 11 (53:27):
Because the information.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
That I have, the cops are disputing this. They say,
no three year old was caught up in this.

Speaker 24 (53:32):
Well, yes, there's no evidence, there is no. One of
the examples that was given to me when I was
when I met with the EWI is that there were
three children that were left in a school that turned
out that was not and both parents were arrested.

Speaker 11 (53:45):
It turns out that that was not the case at all.
So these these cases are sort of.

Speaker 24 (53:50):
Brought for the very emotive and my experience, like I
said to you, a lot of the police officers out
doing this work and doing outstanding appearance themselves and they'll
make sure that they look after and q for children.
So I just think that it's it's very emotive. If
someone can come through, come forward with clear evidence that

(54:11):
this has happened, then of course it needs to be
looked at next and taken. But to this point, no
one has come forward with any clear evidence of anything
in terms of the police other than the have done
an outstanding job.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Mitch, Thank you, appreciate you having a chat to us
about It's Mark Mitchell, the Police Minister. Nineteen away from.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
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Speaker 3 (54:31):
Joseph Gani Child Fund CEO and Tris Shurson. Shirson Willis
pr with us on the huddle. Hello you too. Hello,
all right, Josie, this is your last call before the
US election. Who wins?

Speaker 25 (54:42):
Oh that's not fair, Heather, No one in the world does.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Who's going to win?

Speaker 25 (54:46):
And you're asking me what I mean? It is so
close and even with the Iowa poll and I heard
you talking about that. I mean, it could be a
one off pole. Who knows that. The thing that makes
me think about the Iowa poll though, which would give
a slight advantage to Kamala Harris and the Democrats. Seltzer
whose pole this is, she's very well respected. She's a
Republican polster, an anti Trumper, but a Republican. She had

(55:09):
predicted twenty sixteen when no one else did, including me.
I was on live TV with all my notes about
why Hillary won, and you were with me.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
I was with you, and I was telling you Trump's
one and you were saying, no, we weren't right.

Speaker 25 (55:21):
You are the Seltzer of New Zealand. So what makes
me think that there's something in this is that her
polling has been so spot on for years and years
and years because she takes the evidence. She's really good polster.
So you know, three percent advantage in Iowa, which is
a Trump state for Harris, Now that's so significant.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
That is the case.

Speaker 25 (55:42):
If she's winning in a Trump state that we weren't
even looking at, not one of the swing states, then
she's winning everywhere. The state I'll be looking for on
the night, though, will be Georgia, where my family live
and they've all voted early voting. Possibly one of the
first results that we'll get in meant to go Trump
went Democrat last time, which was a real shocker. If

(56:03):
it doesn't go Trump, or even if Trump wins it
by only a little bit, that'll be a sign, like Iowa,
that Trump's in trouble.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Okay, what do you reckon, Trish?

Speaker 26 (56:12):
Well, I just I'm going to make prediction, but I
just hope that I'm wrong.

Speaker 27 (56:18):
I will only have.

Speaker 26 (56:20):
To eat my hat and not the dogs and the cats.
So I, like Josie, I am going to pick Harris.
If this was on the popular vote, you know, I
think you would have to call Harris at this point.
And it's the weirdness of the system, isn't it with
the electoral colleges that Trump has not ever won the

(56:42):
popular vote, So the biggest loser could become once again
the biggest winner.

Speaker 27 (56:49):
Here's why I'm thinking that that it's Harris.

Speaker 26 (56:53):
I think that it's you have to look at who
each campaign has focused on driving out. She is counting
on you, young woman who do vote. He's counting on
the young men or the bros. And then they don't
traditionally turn out to vote. I think there's been a
vibe change related to gender and voter turnout, even over

(57:13):
the weekend as the campaigns have started to see the
early data coming in. And just to that point, you know,
I think this election has shown the old school marchro
side of the US, which has been a bit ugly.
They think they need a tough guy in the job,
and look at his Arnold Palmer, you know, Dick Dixon
of comments. But in these final days and weeks, I

(57:36):
think his language may have pushed people over the edge.
It may have pushed Republicans who thought they couldn't vote
Democrat across the line because he's too unreliable, racist, chaotic, misogynistic,
I mean, you name the adjective. So my picks to watch,
you've got to watch that blue triangle Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

(57:58):
Nineteen eighty eight was the last time they didn't vote together,
and if one of them breaks this time, I think
that will that will signify who's going to win.

Speaker 25 (58:07):
We may not get a result, or in fact, we
won't get a result on the night, and so I
think that's why we're looking at the ones that the
results that come in early and then reading the tea
leafs on those.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
But you're right, Trish.

Speaker 25 (58:19):
I mean that whoever's going to win will be who
gets the voters to turn out. And traditionally Democrats have
had a really good turnout machine. They get their voters out,
they know how to do it. Elon must consend rockets
to Mars. I'm not sure he can get missus Jones
from High Street out to vote. It's just not his mojo.
And I think the second reason, if whoever wins, we'll

(58:40):
look at it will go. Whoever working class people in
America voted for will win. There's still the majority of
voters that's not just race. I mean that's that's white, black, Hispanic.
They're still the majority voters and they have been swinging
to Trump. So I think it will It'll depend and
those swing states that you just mentioned, Trish, they are
majority voters, eligible voters, and turnout. They are majority working

(59:03):
class voters. So whoever's got the economy message through to people,
through to the working class voters, they win.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
America will win. Yeah, all right, we'll take a break,
come back and just take quarter two.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
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Speaker 3 (59:20):
Right, you're back with Josie and Trish. Trish, what do
you think about Brian and a Hannatomiki getting prosecuted right now?

Speaker 26 (59:27):
Well, I'm with you on this about do we care
in now in twenty twenty four. What I am more
concerned about is that it now takes more than three
years to get these kinds of things to the court.

Speaker 27 (59:40):
And that's you know, that is just another signal.

Speaker 25 (59:44):
Of our jam dates to make a road.

Speaker 27 (59:47):
How champed up the system is exactly.

Speaker 26 (59:50):
Look, you know the Tamachees, they love this, They love
a martyr's platform, so they getting it. I try to
pay zero attention to the Tarmaques Like the Lord, they
tend to move in mysterious ways.

Speaker 27 (01:00:04):
But I do, I do, I do.

Speaker 26 (01:00:06):
Like you, I still have a lot of PTSD around
that Auckland lockdown. I think you know, I probably droned
on about it ad nausey and when I was locked
in this very room and talking to you throughout that time.
It was a shocking act of political vandalism in my view,
to keep Auckland lockdown.

Speaker 27 (01:00:25):
And you know, this is just a bad reminder of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
That right, what do you reckon? Josie, Josie from down country.
We didn't have to spend all the time in the lockdown.

Speaker 25 (01:00:34):
I spent enough time in lockdowns. Don't lock down up me. Yeah,
I look at it and well, I was listening to
Luckson's comments about how voters are all customers. I was
just thinking, maybe the solution is like super markets when
they put photos of shoplifters up and that you're not welcome,
it's just name and Shane, and just say you're out
for a while, you're on notice, go away and you know,

(01:00:56):
I don't know, hang out in the bush for a
while and come back when we're prepared to pictures of
you again. I mean electric, I'm just I'm sick of it,
really yeah. I mean the problem is there's legal issues,
aren't they around whether obviously, if it was a serious crime,
a delay makes it shouldn't make no difference at all.
I think this is there is an issue here. You'd
have to apply it retrospectively. I think you'd have to

(01:01:17):
apply it to any other case in the courts now
around any lockdown conviction or sentencing, so that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
It would help pandemic. If you wiped them. I think
you'd have to.

Speaker 27 (01:01:26):
Don't you care?

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
No, I don't care. I don't see any value in
prosecuting these people.

Speaker 25 (01:01:31):
No, silly, Let's just get on with it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Okay. Now, Trish, as to Luxe and calling us customers,
what do you think.

Speaker 27 (01:01:38):
I think he should own this?

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
I don't you know.

Speaker 26 (01:01:41):
I think if if, if you're a if you're a PM,
and you'll continually being forced to apologize by the media
for different terms.

Speaker 27 (01:01:49):
You've used, either, I think you're in a bad space.

Speaker 26 (01:01:53):
You know, when Luxem was at in New Zealand, they
actually had something called Voice of the Customer, if I
remember correctly, and that is about getting ongoing and direct
feedback from customers about how you're performing, because that's how
you stay in business. And you know, i'd have to say,
as a customer, I probably feel more empowered than I

(01:02:13):
do as a voter, because as a customer I can
literally take my dollar from this shop or airline who
isn't doing good, and I can take it and I
can spend it over there.

Speaker 27 (01:02:23):
As a voter, yes, I can vote.

Speaker 26 (01:02:25):
Them out every three years, but in the meantime I
have to keep spending, you know, sending them my money,
So I don't think Luxon should resile from this. I
do disagree slightly on you know, sometimes the corporate speak
doesn't come across well.

Speaker 27 (01:02:40):
And I'll give you an example of that. As a
prime minister.

Speaker 26 (01:02:44):
Sometimes you have to talk about stuff that is really
really it's bad.

Speaker 27 (01:02:48):
It's bad stuff and people know it's bad.

Speaker 26 (01:02:51):
And when you come in with a sort of uplifting
corporate speek that you know, we're doing a fantastic job,
it just doesn't kind of wash. So I do think
he needs to teend for that, but he shouldn't spend
today backing down on you know, thinking about voters as customers.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:03:07):
The problem with this though, is no one went to
war willing to sacrifice their life for the specials at
New World Like. It just does make us sounds Brisco Brisco, yeah,
or you know, your local might a tend and it
does just bring up this image of nothing not really passionate,
it's nothing much that you're very excited about, quite transactional.
I think that's a problem for the nets that they

(01:03:28):
might sind sound a little bit like, you know, even
the tax cut was the equivalent of a packet of Huggies,
you know, it sounds like a special offer in your letterbox.
So the second problem with this, and the left and
the right are both guilty of this, that if you
treat customers voters like customers, it denies the fact that
we're also producers. We make stuff, right, The relationship isn't
just us buying stuff off the government. It is us

(01:03:49):
making wealth where wealth creators, where workers were out there
running businesses. So I think it's it sets a different
framework out that doesn't really help the NATS.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Yeah, it's a little bit one.

Speaker 26 (01:03:59):
I'll tell you the good The good news for the
NETS though today again is Erica Stanford. Look at that
announcement today about getting kids who are struggling with maths,
getting them free tutors to help get them back up
to where they need to be. I think for National
she is a secret weapons the voters. She is absolutely
the MVP. But in terms of woman voters, and even

(01:04:21):
if you look at the press conference today, you know,
once Luxan had done the opening, all eyes were on
eric Hat and once again you know, she made a
really excellent job of communicating what's going to happen and
why and the outcomes.

Speaker 27 (01:04:33):
So I think she is the MVP and the secret
weapony's too right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Hey, thank you guys, both of you, Josie and Trisha
huddle this evening.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Red or Blue? Trump or Harris? Who will win the
battleground states? The latest on the US election? It's Heather
Duplicy allan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected
US talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Oh, Heather, you sure have gone quiet on Trump winning,
haven't you? Weeks of listening to your stupid predictions on
the US selection. I don't think you do good research. Well, hello,
have I not said at least twice today, if not
three times, that Trump is still going to win the
next election? So I haven't gone quiet on it? Actually,
thanks very much, rude. Four away from six. Nichola Willis

(01:05:14):
is going to be with us shortly. Actually we're going to
talk to her about what's going on with the Family
Boost About the family boost package was part of the
tax package, and it was like one hundred thousand families
we're going to get it. It looks like only thirty
three thousand families have got it. I'm not gonna lie
to you. I hate well middle class welfare, so I
don't really care. I'm fine with that fewer people claim
in free money. Fine by me. Labor's not stoked about it.

(01:05:35):
We'll talk to her shortly. Now, what about this? Okay,
I was reading the papers this morning and there's an
article about my neck of the woods. It's got the
headline is Pooka Koe, by the way, brilliant place. Pooka Koe,
the once unfashionable Auckland town that's now thriving. Excuse me,
Erin the reporter. Erin's obviously never been to pook Akobe.

(01:05:55):
Since when has pooka Koe ever been unfashionable? No mention,
no mention. Hire article was talking about how the populations
are by a third in the last ten years. Got
a flash new hospital that's actually very flash. The hospital,
got the fancily electric trains coming in the house, prices
above the met national median whatever. I don't know. Not

(01:06:15):
once in the whole article does it explain to me
why Pooka Koe's unfashionable? Just want to just want to
set the record straight on behalf of my hometown, which
is also to a cow, though in so anyway to
a cow. Pooka Koe awesome since the start never unfashionable?
What are you talking about Liam Lawson. By the way,
it's from Pooka Koe, So just why place is going
to take off in a minute. Nikola willis next, What

(01:06:41):
what's down?

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
What were the major calls and how will it affect
the economy?

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
The business Questions on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy,
Allen and my Hr on News talksv.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Evening coming up in the next hour. Shane Soley's going
to talk us through whether the markets are still pricing
a try when can we bank will talk us through
why some millennials are still really really gloomy about ever
owning a home. And Gavin Gray's with us out of
the UK seven pas six Nicola will as Finance Minister
with us Now.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
Hey, Nikola, good evening here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
That did you make of the Prime minister calling voters customers?

Speaker 27 (01:07:15):
Oh? I think it was just a slip of the tongue.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Why are you apologizing for it?

Speaker 27 (01:07:21):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Why are you apologizing for it?

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
I'm not apologizing for it at all. I think he
was a slip of the tongue. I think, as he
said himself, he does come from a corporate background, a
commercial background. He's always thinking about delivery. He knows New
Zealanders are New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Yeah, okay, maybe you're not apologizing for it, but you're
explaining it away. But why, I mean, what's wrong with
him calling voters customers?

Speaker 27 (01:07:43):
Will?

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
You asked me why? And I think it was just
a slip of the tongue. That's all I think there
is to it. I reckon New Zealand has bigger challenges
than whether or not the Prime Minister describes people as customers. No,
I think New Zealand voters would rather we were focused
on those challenges of course, hard and semantics.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Why is the Prime Minister always apologizing for his corporate speak?
He should lean into this stuff. This is the stuff
he's good at, isn't it.

Speaker 27 (01:08:07):
Well.

Speaker 5 (01:08:07):
I think that he is very good at getting driven
on outcomes and objectives and targets and accountability. But he
also responds to the questions that he gets asked by
the press and by members of the press gallery. And
that was one of the lines of questioning today. So
he rightfully answered their question.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Explain this to me, because I don't understand this account
I'm looking at. I'm looking at Chris Lux and the
guy from Unilever, the guy from a New Zealand. He
was good at business. He comes to politics as he
brings his corporate speak with him. It feels perfectly natural
to me, and as a voter, I'm pretty fine about
him actually trying to drive business efficiency out of the government. Right,

(01:08:45):
So why is it that there appears to be this
kind of move within the National Party or within the
government or whatever. I don't know. Maybe it's from your
media minders. Why drive this out of him? Why not
let him actually just be the corporate guy.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Ah, certainly we let him be the corporate guy sense
of having those quarterly plans, those targets, driving results against them.
And frankly, if he calls New Zealand customers and the
result of that is that they get better services, then
I don't really think anyone minds what they call.

Speaker 11 (01:09:13):
Do they?

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Okay? So why did he apologize for it?

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
Did he apologize so much as to say it was
a slip of the tongue?

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Well, what he said in the end, I think, and
I'm kind of paraphrasing it, but he did acknowledge that
he needs to sound a little less corporate.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
I think he's just he's noted that some people criticize
them for sounding corporate. He said, that's who I am.
It reflects my background, which it does. And if you
don't like it, then you know, I hope that it's
not going to affect you too badly. Host for the
kinds of words that he said.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
I hope I've got into your brain, and I hope
I've infected you enough to go to him and say
to him, no, no, no, you're okay, carry on with
the corporate talk. It's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
Will I will let him know I'm seeing him later
tonight and I'll say this is stay corporate, be who
you are, talent.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Straight, and that's when the demise of the National Party
probably starts. Taking my advice, but please pass it on.
It's not as bad as he thinks. Now, listen, why
is it on the Family Boost right Why is it
that only thirty three thousand families have claimed this childcare subsidy.

Speaker 5 (01:10:10):
Well, if anyone is listening right now and they have
a child in early childhood education and they've paid fees
in the last few months, please go on to the
IRD website and apply for your Family Boost payment. On average,
families have got about three hundred and fifty dollars out
of that that's well worth getting. That's obviously more than

(01:10:30):
fifteen hundred dollars a year. So my advice is go
on and apply for it. I know that when you've
got young kids and you're busy and you're working, going
on to a website can seem like a pain, but
it is worth it. There are literally hundreds of dollars
available to you and it goes straight into your bank account.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Is this a problem that it's just far too complicated
a system.

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
No, it's not complicated. I've had direct feedback from people
have said, look, it was a bit of a mental
barrier for me should I go on to the website
that I went on And it was easy, it was straightforward,
So that's the feedback I've had. Look, as I've said previously,
hither I would have much preferred it if no one
had to fill in any form, it didn't have to
go on to a website. But the alternative to this
approach was a two year delay, and I wanted New

(01:11:12):
Zealand families getting that money now, which is why we've
gone with this system.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
How many families are getting that full amount.

Speaker 5 (01:11:19):
The full nine hundred and seventy five I'm not sure,
but in order to get that full amount, you would
have to have paid the maximum amount of fees, and
you would have to be on a low income.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Yeah, because the average at the moment is about thirty
two bucks is it a week or something like that.
That's quite low, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
Well, that's fifteen hundred dollars a year here, and actually
that's pretty meaningful if you're a young family. That's a
lot of money. That's a lot of groceries, that's a
lot of baby clothes, that's a lot of formula.

Speaker 27 (01:11:48):
And so i've heard.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Labor today pour pulling that amount of money, and I
just put to the stay in touch with the reality
of what it's like when you've got a baby at
home and you've got a lot of costs to meet. Actually,
thirty backs a week, that's me no.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Absolutely fair point. But thirty bucks a week is a
lot lower than was patch right, and it was patched
about one hundred and fifty bucks a fortnight. What's that
seventy five bucks a week, so it's about half of
the maximum.

Speaker 5 (01:12:10):
Well, we were always clear hither and I remain clear
that that's the maximum available and people are eligible for
a range depending on how big the childhood fees are
and how big their incomers. And that's right because our
approach in the National Party is that we like to
target support are to those who need it most.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
How do you feel about west pax bumper profit?

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
Well, look, as I've said previously, what concerns me is
that our banks aren't competitive enough, and what the Commerce
Commission has said is that they are more profitable than
other banks around the world. And what I want to
see is more competition so that we get a better
deal for New Zealand customers.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Do you think, because I see Catherine McGrath, who's the
Westpac CEO, is going to be before the Parliamentary Select
Committee in about two weeks time, do you feel like
this Parliamentary Select Committee is actually getting anything yet?

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
Well, I think it's got a lot more hearings to
go and a lot more detail to dig into.

Speaker 27 (01:13:01):
I know.

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
The questions that New Zealanders ask me about is why
don't banks lend more to the productive sector, to businesses
and farms that could generate economic growth for the country.
They ask me why Sometimes the appears to be a
delay between the official cash rates falling and mortgage rates
falling they ask me why they don't get a better

(01:13:23):
deal compared to Australia, where some of the online banking
products seem better. So I imagine all of those questions
will emerge in the Select Committee over the next few weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Do you feel like you've got anything out of the
thing so far? Are you there?

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
And chief executives of the major banks being held accountable
by Parliament? That New Zealand's representatives can ask those chief
executives questions directly and that they can explore these issues
in depth. Yes, I think there's value in that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Okay do you think I mean, I've seen some predictions
that this FTA that we've just signed to the GCC
will be the last of the FDA's that we sign.
What do you reckon?

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
No, I don't think that's true. You know, Todd McClay
will credit to him. This is something that we've been
going for almost twenty years New Zealand. He's been in
as Trade Minister for a year and he's nailed it.
He's delivered it and that's a great benefit to our exporters.
And I think there could be more to come because
what you are seeing is that a range of countries
now are pursuing these bilateral agreements rather than just relying

(01:14:27):
on multi lateral you know, multi country agreements, and there
is more potential for New Zealand in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Where would the next one be.

Speaker 5 (01:14:36):
Well, of course, one of the areas that we're very
keen to progress stronger trade with is India. That's a
country that's on the agenda. And when we look around
the world, there will where we want to reduce those chaffs.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Hey, do you want to have a punted picking who
wins on Wednesday?

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Is this because of your own personal credibility or is
this for diplomatic reasons?

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
Look, I have I'm allowed personal views, but as a
guardian of New Zealand's diplomatic interests, it is not appropriate
for me to be running wages on the next US president.
I'll leave that in the hands of American voters.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Fair enough, Nichola, thank you, has always appreciated Nichola willis
our finance minister. It's coming up sixteen past.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Six Analysis from the experts bringing you everything you need
to know on the US election. It's The Business Hour
with Heather Duplicy Allen and Myr Ehr.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Solution for busy SMEs used talks it'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Heather. I couldn't agree more. Chris Luxon needs to own
what he says in stopping a whimp. He needs to
man up and stand by his own statements. It's not
going to change voter's views, just make them more certain
of him. I think Bruce has nailed it. There is nothing. Look,
he said, the thing is out there. He called us customers.
So whether you get upset about it, you can get
upset about it. If you don't care, you're not going
to care. If you think it's actually a pretty smart
way of approaching politics, you think that what happens then

(01:15:57):
is Chris then apologizes for it. That's the thing that
voters will remember. Nobody likes seeing a prime minister pushed
around by the media, right, so he needs to stop
being so sorry for being himself. Just be himself. Nineteen
past six Shane Solly Harbor Asset Management with us.

Speaker 11 (01:16:12):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Hey, Shane, Hey here that Oh what's a big Oh,
I'm Shane, I'm here for this. Are the markets still
picking Donald Trump to win?

Speaker 16 (01:16:19):
They are? They are and soon we're seeing you know,
we've seen the market position for a Republican win What
that means is that Trump winners have been rather to
be outperforming. This is things like the US dollar, gold, crypto,
all the US bank stocks have been pretty hot. They've
run hard. Trump loses, things like the renewable sector. Any
think with a teriff risk, Usk and Boynes they've been
sold off suonly we've seen a real swing towards Trump winning.

(01:16:45):
We know this is going to take time to decide,
you know. Certainly last time round, back in twenty twenty,
it took four days. Market didn't like it. It's pretty votor.
Once we've thing it, we saw markets recover. But this
time around, certainly. I think one interesting point is bond
You is these tenure government bond years. They're used as
a sort of a start point for investing. They've increased
three quarters of percent from their low back in September.

(01:17:07):
So there has been some really big swings, Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Now, given that it is really close, and many say
too close to cool, how do you reckon the markets
are going to react to different electoral outcomes?

Speaker 16 (01:17:17):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Great question.

Speaker 16 (01:17:18):
Look sort of three scenarios of divided government, which means
nobody has really got control, that would actually see a
pretty neutral impact for bond markets and equity markets bond markets,
So there's been interest rates and divided government makes it
harder for some of the legislation and sea some of
the more extreme parts of the legislation that either parties
talk about to get pushed through just harder to put through.

(01:17:41):
So divided government kind of okay, republican clean sweep that
may see these long term magistrates. There's bond years actually
go higher again just driven by stronger growth, higher inflation,
and possibly the US would reserve not being so aggressive
with its easing cycle.

Speaker 28 (01:17:57):
You might actually see the.

Speaker 16 (01:17:58):
Sheer markets, see a little bit of a rally in
the US, this tax burden for corporate spen lower. If
we saw a Harris win, we may actually see long
term bond years four and also see the U S
shear market for because that would mean higher corporate tax rates.
May also see a bit of a relief rarely in
terms of tariffs, and certainly we're positioned at harbor for

(01:18:19):
a range of different scenarios. It's really hard to call
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
If Trump wins and we have an increase in US tariffs,
what does that mean for US?

Speaker 16 (01:18:28):
Look, I think you know, certainly these evolving international factors
that that increases the risk for New Zealand's economic growth.
You know, if we look at on balance the direct
impacts of tariffs on New Zealand's exports of the US,
it is limited the very heavy skew towards tourism with
the US trade versus the fact that a lot of

(01:18:50):
our agricultural exports can be moved to a lot of
different locations. They're fungible, easier to move to different locations. So,
you know, China is probably the interesting thing here. That's
still our largest export market. If there is a spillover
from potential increases in tariffs in China, there will be
an impact. But of course we're on the cusp of
another set of Chinese policy stimulus, so there could be

(01:19:11):
a bit of an offset. So the short answer is
we could actually be It will be a risk, but
it may not be as big as some people.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Thenk Yeah, okay, Now on the subject of the stimulus,
it's a big week for central bank policy decisions around
around the world this week. What are we expecting? What
does it mean for us?

Speaker 16 (01:19:28):
Yeah, Look, we've got central banks responsive more than a
third of the global economy, set to hopefully reduce borrowing costs.
In the next few day is the US Federal Reserve
due to come out, and they are expected to cut
interest rates again instantly. We're seeing this after a long
period of interest rates being increased globally, putting pressure on
global economies and parts of our economy starting to go

(01:19:51):
the other way. So certainly this potential for low interest
rates is going to be helpful for our economy and
that's going to be helpful for our sheer market stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Shane's always good to talk to you, mate, Thank you
so much. It's Shane Soley. We'll talk to you next week.
Harbor Asset Management. We're gonna I'll get you across what
key we bank's talking to us about. Just to take
stand by six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
The Business Hour with Heather Dupleic Island and my HR
the HR Solution for Busy SMS on News Talk zb
the or I'd.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Rather be a customer than stick a teddy in the window.
He shouldn't apologize. Kiwibank's just put out its State of
Home Ownership report and apparently two thirds of people who
don't own a home reckon they will never own a home.
These are millennials mostly. When you break it down with
like the number, it's because we're just talking about people
who don't own homes, right, and thirty three percent of
people don't own homes, So we're talking about to twenty

(01:20:42):
two percent of the country basically who feel like they're
never going to own home. That's quite high, I would think. Anyway,
we'll talk to Steve Yukovic shortly after the news coming up.
Now six twenty six, Potential Capital has brought into Story Park. Now,
this is interesting because a bunch of reasons this is interesting,
but Potential part of the reason it's interesting is because

(01:21:02):
Potential was having a bit of stouch with the Vista
Group because it's a shareholder there and it wanted a
special shareholders meeting. They wanted to put their guy on
the board of the Vista Group and blah blah. And
now they've withdrawn that, so that whole thing has gone
away because now they've bought him to Story Park. Now,
do you know Story Park. If you don't know Story Park,
let me tell you about this. And this thing is awesome.
It's a very cool success story. If you have a kid,

(01:21:23):
at ECE, they often use like at an early childhood
set eggy, they use story Park, so Iggy, my Boy's Kindy.
They get the parents to download the story Park and
then they update this app. It's like a kindy app
updated with pictures of your little cad, what they're up
to in the butterfly house and all kinds of stuff
in the plan of that they're going to go to
the park and you know, all this kind of stuff,

(01:21:44):
so parents feel completely tapped in anyway. It was started
in twenty eleven by a guy from Gore because his
mum was working as an early childhood teacher and she
said to him, listen, can you set up an app
for me please? Because we want to get the community
engaged and we want to get people knowing what's going
on at the ECE and stuff. So he did. He
set this thing up for his mum. It is now
sold into eleven thousand centers in thirty seven different countries,

(01:22:07):
predominantly New Zealand, Australia and Canada. But thirty seven different countries.
How impressive it earns. They reckon probably about ten million
bucks a year. Potential has brought a majority steak and
as a result they've got. Why they've left Vista Group
alone is because they've managed to get this guy, the
guy they're going to put on the board for Vista Group,
they've put him on the board of Story Park. He's
now the chair and the guy who founded Story Park,

(01:22:29):
Jamie McDonald, is the CEO. And this is the interesting thing.
Potentia says it likes New Zealand because New Zealand has
an exciting tech scene, which is why Potentia has established
an office here. We're exploring a range of opportunities to
work with founders to take their businesses to the next level.
So well done. So what's his name? Jamie from Gore
with Story Park because man Alive Potential likes it. I

(01:22:50):
like it. Have you got it? Laura, Laura's producer, Laura's babies,
Kennedy's got it as well. The boss Jason has kids,
had it. Everybody's got the Story Park. If your kindy's
not using the Story Park, you've got to go and
ask them why. By the way, Select Committee's not gonna
have to worry about what Catherine McGrath at Westpac Earns
we know statutory remuneration was two point two million Australian dollars,

(01:23:13):
so good, good for her, well done. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to
my HR, the HR solution for busy Smy's on news
talks b.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
A Babe before the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Babe and Ray is with us spend ten minutes time
out of the UK. Hey see this. BYD has beaten
the quarterly revenue of Tesla for the first time ever.
Now you'll know BYD. You'll know the name because it
advertises on the show. It's the kind of emerging and
already quite gigantic electric car maker out of China that's
really doing very well at the moment. BYD made forty

(01:24:04):
seven billion USD in the three months ending September. Tesla
made forty two billion. Massive growth for bid that year
on year their revenue growth this twenty four percent. And
sort of see when you look at numbers like that,
forty seven beats forty two, you can sort of see
why Elon might be a massive Trump supporter. I love
and the idea of the tariffs on China a twenty

(01:24:25):
three away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Ever, do for c Ellen so kre We Bank has.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Just released its state of home Ownership report, and it
turns out that of those of us who don't already
own a home, about a third reckon they never will.
The boss of a Kiwi banker, Steve yukovicin with us
now is Steve hi Ever? Did you ask them why
they think this?

Speaker 10 (01:24:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
We did.

Speaker 21 (01:24:44):
And a couple of reasons that are probably not a
big surprise to listeners is the you know, the cost
of living, the amount of deposit that you've got to
get together, and I think you know their relative wage
impact versus high house prices. You know, I think few
people feel resigned, and that's going to be a really
big gat Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
I did the numbers again because I actually got the numbers.
I was talking about it before and I got the
numbers wrong. If you take the number, it's about half
of what I thought. So if you take the number
of us who don't own homes, it's thirty three percent,
and then you look at a third of those, it's
only eleven percent of New Zealanders, right, is around about
ten percent of us. Actually that's stressful.

Speaker 21 (01:25:22):
Well, it's an interesting point, I guess. I mean what
we found from doing the benchmark stuff. Is that you
don't really know unless you start to run these numbers
and understand what sort of anecdotea.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
And what people care about.

Speaker 21 (01:25:33):
I think for that ten percent, they would argue that
they feel really locked out. I think many others are thinking, Lo,
what's my pathway? And it was really interesting to me
to how many people were thinking about a new route
and you know, a new way to own a home
in a different way.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Okay, now before we get to that, because I do
want to talk to that to you about that. Why
are millennials though, bearing this harder than anybody else. It's
like seventy percent of millennials feel stressed out about it,
and that's way above everybody else.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
Yeah, I mean it's interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:26:01):
You know, for that group of people that are in
that sort of thirty to forty four break, I think
they are the witnesses of.

Speaker 4 (01:26:07):
A very strong growth in house prices.

Speaker 21 (01:26:11):
I think they probably have navigated a whole lot of
different changes around the regulations and things like that, so probably.

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
All feels a little bit overwhelming for some of them.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Did you ask their next group down the gen Z
is about how they feel about it?

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 21 (01:26:27):
And so for your listeners that's eighteen to twenty nine,
they feel a little less locked down, and maybe they
are seeing a different world where house prices haven't been
going up as fast, or maybe they haven't actually turned
their mind to saving the deposit yet, or maybe they're
much more thrifty and they've been saving well and so
they feel good about it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Does that potentially say though, then that some of it
may be in millennials heads?

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
It could be.

Speaker 21 (01:26:52):
I mean, I think what was really interesting was right
across millennials, Gen X, Gen Z and boomers, more than
half the people felt like they were going to get
some sense of being locked out. So across all those
generations there's a lot of people that feel like they're
doing it tough. We did some stats on interest rates
for the fixed year two rate from two thousand and
four twenty twenty four. So the average two year fixed

(01:27:17):
rate mortgage during that time was six point two to
one and today with Kerry Bent, you can get a
mortgage at five point six y nine. So you know,
over a long run twenty years, the interest rates are
about where they've been, but certainly they've gone up really
steeply from recent times, So I think some stuff stays
the same and a lot changes again.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Now, the alternatives that you were talking about owning is
things like rent to own, co ownership, things like that.
They're out there. Those things exist, but do they exist
on a large enough scale to kind of meet the
demand of people who want to know?

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
I don't think they do.

Speaker 21 (01:27:49):
And I think it's a great point, which is one
of the reasons that we were thinking about doing this
research was, you know, how do we raise awareness of
these options? Because if we can raise awareness, then you'll
get more people who are keen to participate, more developers
who are keen to do it this way, and so
it's a bit of a virtuous circle. If we can
get more people asking for it, then more people will
develop it. More people develop it, then more people will

(01:28:11):
get money lent to them.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Hey, on interest rates, what do you reckon the RB
and Z's going to do later this month?

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
I think they're going to cut by fifty, not seventy five. No,
I don't think so.

Speaker 21 (01:28:22):
I think seventy five just feels too much, I think,
and there's no real need in my mind to do that,
which is it's a very bold moved I think to
go buy seventy five to fifty feels like gives people,
you know, enough certainty around direction, but also allows people
to have confidence that you know we're moving in the
right direction.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
But what about the argument that it's still restrictive, right,
it's restricted. They admit it's restrictive at the level it is,
may well still be restrictive even with fifty shaved off it,
and then we have to sit there, Steve, for three
months with it until they come back from the summer. Hollibobs.

Speaker 21 (01:28:54):
I'm hearing you, Heather, But I think the risk is
always that you know, you over tighten and overloose and
too fast, and so I think fifty is probably most likely.
I take your point about seventy five and restrictive, but
I think fifty is much more likely.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
Hey, are you going to have to go and sit
in front of that bank inquiry at Parliament?

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
I am going to get that privilege?

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Yes, privilege, privilege or grilling? When are you doing it?

Speaker 21 (01:29:18):
We've got the Christmas surprise where I think we're the
very last of the bench to go forward.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
That is that you are so lucky because by then, everybody,
every one of us is probably already on a holiday.

Speaker 21 (01:29:30):
Aren't we don't say that hither you'll be glued to it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
I'm sure, I'm sure. Have you already put it out
there what you earn because they're obsessed with that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Look, I'm sure they are. And I mean we'll get
to cross that bridge if it comes to it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
Yeah, okay, well good luck. You might want to front
foot that one, Steve, Thanks very much, Steve Yukovich, boss
of kV back yet because you know mean you remember
remember that had the thing with Antonio Antonia from A
and ZID where they were like, how much do you earn?
How much do you? And She's like, I don't actually
know because you stop counting, as I told you at
five hundred thousand, don't you once you got your sdis
I learned this. Did you know that? That is like
short term incentives? That's what they call them, the corporate speak.

(01:30:06):
My friend told me yesterday, Once you put your sties
on and nobody knows what you know. I mean, very
few people will you know, have worked out what their
base salary is plus their STIs and there no and
I reckon you stop counting at five hundred thousand shares
like multiples of that. So they were shocked. They were like, ah,
how can you not know how much you earn? So anyway,
Steve better put it out there. He better be better

(01:30:26):
be to the dollar. Last year, I earned X amount
of money. Not that it's any of our business, but
apparently it also is seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
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Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Hey, you know who I was telling you last week?
I was raving about Todd McClay because he's managed to
sign two free trade deals in a year and he's
doing really well. Get a load of this, Okay, this
is why he's doing it. By the end of this year,
he will have traveled in the space of one year
to thirty countries, some more than once. Now this is
not a case of like being in Europe and then
just popping over the border, right, it's New Zealand, Like

(01:31:06):
it takes us an age to get anywhere, right, thirty
countries some more than once, and he's about to go
to China as well. That's why the dude is getting
things done fourteen away from seven, Gevin Gray UK corresponding
with us, Now, hey, Kevin, hi there Gavin. This business
of throwing mud at the king in Spain and shouting
at him and stuff like that, and people in desparately
not being helped. It's like it's it's like medieval, isn't it.

Speaker 29 (01:31:29):
Yeah, it is, but there is huge anger around that
Spain area, the region of Valencia, and that anger just
boiled over. And yeah, certainly the security detail around the
king and queen were very, very stretched. But with the
death stoll standing at two hundred and seventeen, we are
now waiting an update, and that is because they are
going to now begin to search the underground car park

(01:31:53):
of the Bonnair shopping center just outside of the main
city of Valencia. There is a ramp leading down and
it was absolutely full of water and is now being
pumped out. And of course the big fear is that
with some seventeen hundred car parking spaces there, they are
going to find well potentially dozens of bodies, but they

(01:32:15):
don't know yet, they don't know how many got out.
They do know it was chaotic, but the authorities and
the emergency responders are steal for what could be a
really horrendous experience down there. Police talking about finding maybe eighty,
but they're obviously hoping it could be many fewer.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
That's pretty gram I listen, Becking, you're part of the world.
You guys have got a new value for money chief.
Is this the right guy? Though?

Speaker 29 (01:32:38):
Ahh, that's a very very good question. And indeed how
the people have been asking that over the weekend. So
the governments set up what it thought was a great
idea and it sounds good, a money for value for
money chief. Indeed, they've even got a new department, a
new office for value for money, and that new chief
is called David Goldstone. So of course people immediately thought, well,

(01:33:00):
who's he to, you know, manage to get big value
for money. Well, he worked as a top executive on
the London Olympics, Parliament's restoration and the high Speed two
rail link. What do all those three have in common? Yes,
they all went well over budgets. So Downing Street is
now having to defend the appointment, saying he's a highly
experienced public sector leader with a track record of working

(01:33:21):
on complex, high value programs, and then pushed about whether
he was value for money. They said, yes, yes, of
course he is. But you know what, you know, I'm
afraid those three projects. Some people say, of course they
went over money over budget, they all do these big projects,
but it's the amount of money some of these projects
have gone under, with the HS two line just every

(01:33:43):
few you know months, going an increase in its budget,
and the London Olympics costing three times as much as expected.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Hey, what's the problem with the badges. What's going on?

Speaker 29 (01:33:55):
Well, badger's here a bit like sort of wombats from Australia,
of course, and they are a protected species here in
the UK, so you can't just if you find them
go and remove them. Now. The problem is they are
extremely destructive animals in that they build these sets which
are very deep and very big and have extremely large

(01:34:16):
holes and tunnels within them, and they've been digging in
the East of England under a road which has effectively
meant it's had to be relayed.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Now.

Speaker 29 (01:34:25):
The council wanted to do this urgently with urgent repairs
because it would be cheaper to do it with urgent repairs.
But guess what, they had to get the permission of
Natural England for a license before the work could be
carried out because the badgers are a protected species. The
delay has pushed up the bill and they're saying the
Chemical Council has said it's costing roughly two hundred and
forty thousand New Zealand dollars more than it would have

(01:34:48):
done if they could have got that way with the work.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Quicker Anningkevin, thanks very much, appreciate it. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent.
Here the quick question, why do all news TALKSB newsreaders
pronounce it's Ireland with an Irish accent, so it's like
Ireland as if they're saying it in priorate speak? Do
they pronounce Paris as Paris or Italy as Italia? Just asking?
Now you're not just asking. Grunt sent me a text
because they started a thing I've had. I remember about

(01:35:14):
ten years ago. I had a TV producer when I
was working in Telly and we had this argument and
he did not believe that you should pronounce Ireland Ireland.
I think this is I stand to be corrected. I
don't want to misrepresent him, but he thought it was
Ireland like Ireland, like we are living on an island
where I was like but obviously it's an it's Ireland,

(01:35:36):
there's an R, so I don't really understand, and maybe
maybe once and for all, maybe you could please explain
to me, Grant, what the issue with this is, because
it's not as if you're you're not You're not all
of a sudden adopting a French accent or Paris. You
know you're not being a dick, are you? You're literally
pronouncing the R in the word Ireland. What What's I
didn't get it? What's the problem? This feels to me

(01:35:57):
like the right way to say. Isn't it nine away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Getting ready for a new administration in the US? What
will be the impact?

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
It's the Business Hour with Hither Duplasy Allen and my
HR the HR solution for busy SMEs news talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
B hither I agree? What's with Ironland? Hither the R
isn't pronounced? Joeanne says? Who who says the IR isn't pronounced?
I just googled it. Google doesn't say that is who's
telling you that? Old on? If I've got another email
on it? Ireland is an English word, it would be
Ireland as an island. Ear is the Irish word ere

(01:36:33):
you roll the R on that one. Well, now I disagree.
There's an iron there. What did they teach you about
the Queen's English? You pronounce every single letter. If you
can't do it properly, then you are not speaking English properly?
Are you Ireland? Anyway? As it is, we've got into
Brady with us tomorrow, haven't we. And what is he
if not Irish? And he can speak English, so he
can tell us how you pronounce Ireland in English. Now

(01:36:57):
I've got something for your parents, okay, Like one of
the most I read this and I was like, hell yeah,
one of the most stressful things about having a toddler
is worrying about, oh my gosh, are they eating their
protein and their carbs and all their vegetables and do
they get enough Kiwi fruit in them for the vitamin?
You know, Like you just stress out way too much
about the stuff. Right, So I hate I hate nutritionists

(01:37:17):
and all those people who or anybody who give parents
a hard time about like unreasonably, like sometimes you need
a bit of a hard time, like get this, get
the kids off the screens, a little bit of screens
enough yah blah blah blah whatever. But you know, when
they're like, oh, the baby pouches, don't suck the baby bear,
don't give the don't give the pureid food and the
baby pouch or because apparently what it does is odd
affects their oral language. I mean, come on, what baby

(01:37:39):
between the ages of seven months and ten months is
talking anyway, So it's not affecting their oral language obviously,
but anyway, and the teeth. Oh, and it's gonna give that.
It's gonna make them a giant fat baby as well. Anyway,
Otago University problem with all of these people who are
like dooming us for the pure pouch food hadn't actually
done sufficient studies, right, They just looked at like they

(01:38:00):
just done crap studies. Basically, Otago University decided to do
a proper study. And what they did is they looked
at nine hundred kids at what they were eating, how
often they were eating the pouches, what it did to
their iron levels and their growth and their teeth. And
they found, guess what, parents of toddlers, the pouches are fine.
The kids can have the pouches, they're not having them
too often. According to the study, most infants are not

(01:38:23):
sucking from the pouch. Anyway, when they're under ten months,
they're sitting in a high chair, strapped in by decent parents,
were feeding them with a spoon. And when they're older
and they're sucking them, they're not becoming giant fatties, are they.
In fact, they found that in preschoolers, actually the overall
energy intake was slightly lower with kids who were sucking
the stuff out of the pouches, and no impact on
iron levels. So feel free to use the pouches, stop

(01:38:45):
listening to the people who were going to doom you
on everything that you're doing, and make your life a
little bit easier. Nobody wants you to peel all the
apples and boil the apples and put it in all
the little click clickie containers labeled with the date that
you did it in the freezer. Ain't nobody got time
for that. Go down, buy your out, don't feel bad
about it, and.

Speaker 28 (01:39:02):
We're going to do the pretender by the food fighters
players out. I don't think we've got a development in
the Dave Groll story. You remember that Dave Grohld had
that mysterious social media post not that long ago about how.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Well it was he's been cheating on his lady.

Speaker 28 (01:39:14):
Yeah, basically his father the child outside of his marriage.
He's going to be a father to that child. He
hired a divorce lawyer at the time, but apparently an
insider has told People magazine that he has now changed
his mind and is no longer working with the divorce
lawyer and is instead of hoping to work things out
with his wife. Of course, he is, well, I mean
it's good news. Obviously, I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Did anybody ask missus Groll? Has anybody got missus Groll?
Have you still got your divorce lawyer?

Speaker 28 (01:39:38):
Well, see, this is the thing. I just hope he
knows what he's doing. And he suddenly hires a lawyer.
A couple of months later, he's like, oh, no, I've
changed my mind. I won't go Well, of course he is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
This is just like leverage. Does she want to take
skanky Dave back?

Speaker 10 (01:39:48):
Well, this is the thing.

Speaker 28 (01:39:49):
I hope he's got a plan, because yeah, they're still
getting mess here and miss here.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
Would you take skanky Dave back.

Speaker 28 (01:39:54):
Based on this track record? No, I don't think I would.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
No, I would take half his money and I'd kick
him out, would you? Laura? Laura Pete for producer. You
wouldn't take him back now it's a deal breaking for
mea do that kind of thing. You can pay me out.
Thanks very well, said hit the host and enjoy your life,
Dave by yourself.

Speaker 12 (01:40:13):
Okay, see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
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