Full Show Podcast: 05 February 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spin friends to find the real story.
Or it's Ryan Bridge on Heather du for see Ellen
Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks
that'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good afternoon seven minutes after four Helen Clark on Trump
and Gaza. After five this evening. David Seymour on Whitehungey
to the person who's just checked in chest text into
the show to say, please don't spout on about the
unemployment rate this afternoon. Don't worry. There will be one
interview on the unemployment rate and we will do that
at five point fifteen this evening. And New Zealand is

(00:35):
getting a new coal lounge for business and first class
passengers to keep us great unwashed out. I'll tell you
all about that. Plus Dan Mitchison in the in the
US and Gavin Gray in the UK.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's hard to know what to take seriously with Trump,
isn't it. He makes threats as a negotiating tactic. So
is this just one of those. Today's pledge to take
over Gaza and replace it with a riviera of the
Middle East sounds absurd. He says, It'll be filled with
people from all over the world, like a New Dubai.
It's going to be beautiful. The US will take over

(01:11):
and quote own it, bulldoze the rubble and lack of Phoenix.
Gaza will rise from the ashes with more jobs than
you could ever need. This is a truly bizarre situation
and if it sounds fanciful and ridiculous, that's because it is.
And it would completely upend eighty odd years of general
agreement on how the region was to operate after World

(01:32):
War Two? So is this a tactic to scare himas
is he serious? Would the world let this happen? The
UN considers Palestine an independent state, including the occupied Palestinian
territories i e. The Gaza Strip. So what happens with
that now? And what does it mean for the two
state solution that everyone talks about. ALBINIZI, I can tell

(01:54):
you has just given a presser. His line is, we
support the two state solution and I will not give
a running commentary on the day to day pronouncements of Trump, Egypt, Jordan,
Saudi Arabia, theve all come out against it. No word
yet from Winston at this point, but as soon as
he's in touch, we'll let you know. It's a tightrope
to walk this one. No country wants to criticize the

(02:16):
guy who's lobbing tariffs around the world like grenades. But
there's also no way you can allow the US to
just roll into the Middle East with bull bulldozers to
build a new hotel chain and set up some Starbucks
in the McDonald's. Here's the thing about Trump. I followed
his campaign really close to I watched lots of his rallies,
the live feeds of his rallies, his media interviews, and

(02:40):
one of the things he talked about the most on
stage was the fact that in his last term he
didn't start any wars. Under Trump, you'll get peace, That's
what he promised. He has huge support amongst veterans and
the military for his peace through strength approach, and that
means basically that his mouth does the fighting, not men

(03:01):
and women in uniform. And they'll be hoping that today's
talk is just that. Using words like taking over has
a very ominous ring to it, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Brian Bradley ten after.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Four news talks there b to the bombshell announcement from
the UK. Now a group of experts are claiming that
convicted British serial killer Lucy Letbee didn't murder a single
baby in her care. Fourteen international experts have come together
and authored a new report. They concluded that these seventeen
newborns let Bee was charged with harming deteriorated due to

(03:35):
natural causes or broader quote bad medical care. The former
nurse was found guilty by a jury in twenty twenty
three and given fifteen whole life sentences. The report's going
to be presented by her lawyers, who want the case
to be investigated as a potential miscarriage of justice. Professor
Jeff Chase from the University of Canterbury was involved in
this report and he's with me this afternoon. Jeff, Hello,

(03:57):
oh right, thank you for being with me. First of all,
how did you get involved with this report?

Speaker 4 (04:05):
I actually first heard about the let Be case only
in April last year. A reporter called me asking some
questions they were investigating in the UK, whether or not
there was even a story there. I knew nothing and
it went nowhere At that time. I got another call
from a BBC reporter and someone doing some modeling who

(04:25):
felt that something was wrong with this case last July
and I got involved. From there. My reason or the
reason I should be involved, I suppose, so we do
blessing the controlling model, insulin kinetics and insulent action, how
insulent effects, blood glue COOS levels, and not only adults

(04:46):
and for the intensive care unit and managing blood gluecus there,
but also in pre term neon ads. These are the
really tiny babies that are maybe eight hundred one thousand
grands a KI though or less in the neonatal unit
here at Cruestre twomen's. And we've been safely dosing insulin
which is actually quite difficult in these cohorts and has
often not done for that reason, for as a standard

(05:09):
of care with these models for something like sixteen seventeen years.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay, so you are very qualified in this area. How
is it that you can because obviously this has been
before the courts. They have looked at all of the
evidence extensively. I mean, you're not there, you're here. So
what is it that you're looking at that you're saying
that that leads you to believe that these babies that
were murdered, well four of the seven that were murdered,

(05:37):
that they weren't.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
In fact, So in this case, the other babies that
there were over nine babies, but two of them were.
The conviction was based that they were dosed with insulin
in the nutrition bag. So a bag at hangs and
provides dastros and the bids and nutrition called tip and

(05:58):
or total parential nutrition, but in essense it's nutrition given
to you straight into the vein. So that was that
the convictions based that Lucy had spiked the bags with
insulin and that that caused the hypergossnia they experience. These
babies did not die, but she was convicted of as
I understand, that attempted murder in those two cases. One

(06:22):
of those was in the press release report today referred
to as Baby six. In the court cases are referred
to as Baby F and Baby L. So in that sense,
these are separate from some of the cases around air
embolism and air injection to the into stomach or the
ETT tube the naso gastric tube. Sorry, and in essence

(06:45):
they were based strictly on a very high measurement from
a lab test for insulin that was higher than the
level of what's called seat peptide in your body. And
so that was the soul basis that says that no
normally in a healthy person. If I measured your blood

(07:06):
right now, your insulin level will be lower than your
see peptide level for a wide range of physiological reasons
about how insulince peptide are produced by the body together,
but are used and cleared by the body at different rates.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
So you were saying she was convicted on insulin rates
in the baby's bodies, that it could actually be naturally occurring.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
In the short answer, yes, wow, they can occur by
other means. Particularly, there's an assumption in the interpretation of
the evidence based on what is normal. So I would
not expect that kind of measurement you right now. But
in any kind of critical care setting, and particularly with
pre term neonates, most to all bets are off. There

(07:52):
are behaviors and trends, but they're not nearly as guaranteed
as they would be if we both got together and
tested a healthy person.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
So the argument to be made, and I could understand
that if it was one baby, but given there are
so many babies, you know, seven murders and six attempted
murders is what she was convicted for. You know, is
it common for a nurse to have that many cases?

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I wouldn't know nurse murderers, and these convictions are probably
an interesting field of our sociological study and their own right.
There are two other nurses either imprison or convicted in
the UK that I've heard about around the similar kinds
of cases with geriatrics. So one argument I guess would

(08:37):
be that this is quite common. It is easy to
find disparate data. So one thing to know about the
insulin cases was that there was a cluster of deaths
in this unit, and then they went looking to see
who was on duty at these times. After that, they
were looking for the wreckers to see who else might
have been hard. So they weren't looking for babies that

(08:59):
she had treated to see if there are measurements are
other things out of balance, as they were out of
their expectations, and that is how these two Insolin davies
that I've been asked to look ut along with somebody else.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
That's when they cropped up. Jeff, thank you very much
for being with us. A fascinating case, as you say,
Jeff Chase, who's a professor at the University of Canterbury
and who is part of the group of academics who
have looked at this case and come up with a
report and Lucy let be you will know the case
from the UK. Her lawyers are now trying to have

(09:33):
this investigated as a potential miscarriage of justice. It's sixteen
after four. Darcy's he Next.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
It's the Heather Dupissy Alan Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZIB.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Nineteen after four News Talks ZIB, Darcy, Walter Groves, who
was sport Darcy Good afternoon.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
Ryan, Good afternoon to yourself.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
TJ Perrenar the protest, the Hakka, We've had the full
rundown and the Herald today.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
What's your take that you use any situation you can
to push your cause, but you do not do it
as the leader of a Harker representing not only the
all Blacks but the entire nation.

Speaker 7 (10:15):
That's not right.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
And the thing that got me was that he didn't
ask his teammates. I mean, you know, like it doesn't
matter whether it's rugby or what the situation is. If
you're in a team environment and you're going to make
something that's so significant, a significant move, you consult with him,
don't you.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
I think so.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
I just think it shows I know he is very
passionate about that. A lot of people are. I know
that politically that's the way Eileen as well, But to
drag the whole team and without them knowing exactly what
you're going to do, that's just mean. It's just you
can't do that to the rest of the team. That Look,

(10:52):
it's a case of in spead of asking admission, he's
going to beg for forgive exactly at the end of it.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I don't think because the guys that they had no
choice but to do the hacker and they were none
the wiser so they and a lot of them probably
didn't even know what they were Marty.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
They had no idea about what he was actually So
I don't think the message was a bad message, but
the fact that he said, if you don't let me
say something, I'm gonna I'm not going to lead the harker,
I'm going to walk. So it puts New Zealand Rugby
in a really difficult position the lesser of two evils.
Do we let him do it and risk blowback or
do we get rid of him and people start going

(11:30):
where's TJ on the very last match? So difficult situation
for them to be.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
It is indeed Super Rugby has done this big season launch.
A ton of players are injured already and we're not
even got our first game yet.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
No, and if you look at the Crusaders, and I'd
say a vast amount of Super fans couldn't care less
and they'll be pointing and laughing. They've I think they're
injury tolls in double furs now. I mean Cody taytor'
is the latest out. Brandon Enna's gone, You've got Quentin
Strain and Nay, you've got McNulty and it just goes

(12:03):
on and on and on. Sam Darry he's been invalid
out of the Atland side. And I'm sure there's a
few more sniffing around, but most of the all the
coaches have said, we're going to work it out and
integrate these guys. We can't just throw them straight back
in again. The problem here is it's the start of
the super season. What do you want to do. You

(12:23):
want to put your best foot forward, you want to
show the punters these are our rock stars, these are
our all blacks, these are the best players. Yet these
guys have only just come back after a Northern tour.
They've had some r and rs. They need their retraining
again and suddenly they get thrown to the thick of it.
I'm not quite sure it's good for the well being

(12:44):
of athletes long term, and then there'll be something there.
So like your athletes, just play if you break, so well,
get the next one going, move on, Let's get another one.
So that gets underway. On the fourteenth, the launch happened
now and their big new package, their Fantasy Super Rugby
is they've got a date yet underway tomorrow, sorry, Friday.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Finally, so it will be in time and on time.
I should say, that's something. Thank you, Darcy. We'll see it.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Seven enjoy tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Thank you very much, Darcy Waldegrave with us heavy with
you at seven Hi. Ryan TJ never gave his teammates
a chance to turn their back or disable his microphones.
Keep as happen up at White Tangy today. Lots of
people text thinking about this. Someone else says, why aren't
you getting a break? I just had like a whole

(13:35):
month off over Christmas and I will be getting a
break tomorrow. By the way, thank you very much for
your concern.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
Though.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Twenty three minutes after four on news Talk said b
still to come, I'm going to tell you about and
I know there was the person who didn't want to
hear about unemployment, but it is rather important. And there's
a number in there that stood out to me that
I think is interesting. I'll let you know what it
is next.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Moving the big stories of the day forward and bridge
on hither, duperic el and drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
That'd be four twenty six. Trump and Nitinya who have
a meeting at the White House. Then there's a press
conference and Trump comes out and he says that he
wants the United States to take over Gaza and move
the Palestinians out, and.

Speaker 8 (14:20):
It should not go through a process every building and
occupation by the same people that have really stood there
and fought for it, and lived there and died there
and lived a miserable existence there.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
So where will the Palestinians go?

Speaker 8 (14:38):
Instead, we should go to other countries of interest with
humanitarian hearts, and there are many of them that want
to do this and build various domains that will ultimately
be occupied by the one point eight million Palestinians living
in Gaza.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Jordan and Egypt have in the past rejected the idea
of taking in any refugees from Gaza.

Speaker 8 (14:59):
The only reas and the Palestinians want to go back
to Gaza is they have no alternative. It's right now
a demolition site. This is just a demolition site.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Sorry, What exactly did Trump say about US involvement?

Speaker 8 (15:14):
The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we
will do a job with it too. We'll own it,
get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out, create
an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs
and housing for the people.

Speaker 9 (15:31):
Of the area.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Okay, Then he was asked who would live in Gaza
after all of this development.

Speaker 8 (15:38):
It's envision world people living there, the world's people. I
think you'll make that into an international, unbelievable place. I
think the potential and the Gaza Strip is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
It sounds like it's going to put a golf course
in it. It really does have a sort of a
Trump golf course, Trump hotel ring to it, doesn't it. Yeah,
I mean, as he said, it is rubble at the moment.
But I do say that people still consider it their
homeland despite what the President says. Helen Clark on that
after five this evening. Also coming up after the news,

(16:16):
we're talking to Dan Mitchison out of the State's News
Talk said B.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Two step with a woman I love. We needed a sticle.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Recamping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's
Ryan Bridge on hither do for see Ellen drive with
one New Zealand Let's get connected, news Talk, said B.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Twenty four away from five year, news Talk said B
are so. Quarter to four unemployment numbers out five point
one percent for the year, higher since twenty twenty. It's
up from four point eight percent from quarter three. Wages
growing three point three percent. Now that's way more than
the CPI at two point two percent. So, in other words,
wages are growing faster than the prices are. But the

(17:17):
thirty two thousand number is not good. That's the number
of jobs that we have lost throughout twenty twenty four.
But this is what we expected, right, We engineered a
recession while the Reserve Bank did engineered recession. It's working,
It's in line with expectations. The reserve banks still expected
to cut their interest rates by half a percent in
two weeks time. Here's the interesting bit from the numbers today.

(17:41):
You know when usually there's a recession or a downturn,
and women will get laid off in greater numbers, all
more quickly than men. You know, normally that happens, and
everyone says, oh, well, this recession is sexist. And I
always thought there was such a weird thing to say
or to claim, Well, have I got a number for you?
And it's not a nice thing to talk about, but
it's a fact. Eighty five percent of the annual decrease

(18:02):
in employment guess who? Men? Why? Well, we could argue
that this is a sexist institution, this recession, this engineered recession,
is a sexist one. Or because we're practical people and not,
you know, away with the ferries, we could look at
the facts and what are the facts? Tell us, Well,

(18:24):
most of the fools unemployment have come from male dominated
occupations technicians, trade workers, machinery operators and drivers. So there
you go, no great conspiracy. Twenty two to five.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
It's the world wires on news talks. He'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Trump has shocked the world and the press pack announcing
this at the White House a few hours ago.

Speaker 8 (18:46):
will do a job with it. Too, We'll own it
and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded
bombs and other weapons on the site. Level the site,
get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
International commentators are struggling to work out exactly what the
President means when he says the US will quote takeover Gaza.
Sky News political contributor Chris Allman says it's probably bluster
because actually sending US troops to occupy Gaza would be crazy.

Speaker 10 (19:19):
This is an intractable part of the world, and if
you think that you've got a solution for a history
show that US that you probably don't. As people keep saying,
you know, you take the president, that's sort of twenty
five percent of you. Don't take everything. A word that
he says is being necessary that you should believe it.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
More on this with Dan Mitchison in just a second. Meanwhile,
Donald Trump Junior has been making headlines as well. He
recently posted a video online showing off all of the
ducks that he and his friends had shot during a
recent trip to Italy like.

Speaker 11 (19:47):
A wigeon teal listener, this is actually a rather uncommon
duck for the area.

Speaker 9 (19:51):
Not even sure what it is in English, but incredible shit.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Unfortunately, the uncommon duck that he's talking about has been
identified is a ruddy sheldeck, a protected species in Italy.
You can be fined up to twenty seven hundred dollars
for killing one, and Italian opposition parties are calling for
the Don Junior to be prosecuted.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
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Speaker 2 (20:19):
Twenty one to five. Dan Mitchison is stateside for US.
Dan Good afternoon.

Speaker 12 (20:23):
Hey Brian, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
What are we thinking about Trump and the Gaza plane?
Is this real? How far advanced is it? What are
your takeaways?

Speaker 12 (20:33):
You know, I think there's some clarification going on with
what he said, or at least there's people trying to
spin what he says, saying that he isn't suggesting that
we plant our flag in Gaza, but rather open up
the region to American business. But I think he caught
a lot of people off guard by what he was saying,
and it sounded like he was just kind of rattling
on there. And really, if you listen what he says,

(20:53):
it almost sounds like he envisions the US taking responsibility
for as you just heard, dismantling the bombs and cleaning
up there. And he says this is going to be
like the Riviera.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yes, so he's not talking about any kind of military reaction.
He's just talking about developing Gaza. Who's that? But he's
also talking about getting rid of the Palestinians, so we're
living there or they will go live somewhere else permanently.
I mean, how's that going to happen?

Speaker 12 (21:19):
I mean that these are all good questions right now.
I mean he's saying that that that you know, he
was asked after this Palestinians would have the right to
return to Gaza after the reconstruction, and he said it
would be my hope that we could do something nice there.
He said where they they wouldn't want to return. Maybe
he says, why would they want to return?

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Right now?

Speaker 12 (21:36):
The place has been hell? And I think he said
what everyone else has been saying.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
That.

Speaker 12 (21:40):
Also, one of the side comments he made that he
has no idea or guarantee that that piece is going
to hold in this region. So right now it just
sounds like he's throwing a lot of things on the wall,
and he's seen what's going to stick. Obviously this there's
a number of phases to go on with what is
going on over there, and phase one of the deal
that they they had was the release of the Israel

(22:01):
hostages in the Palestinian prisoners and so they're on to
phase two right now. But boy, you talk about headlines
for tomorrow. What he said today in this press conference
really really has got people talking.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Certainly as he knows how to do that.

Speaker 7 (22:12):
Dan.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
People getting quite exercised about Elon Musk and the White House.
What's the lightst well.

Speaker 12 (22:18):
I mean, if you imagine you have a toddler on
a sugar high who has a type of attention deficit disorder,
I mean that's Elon Musk. I mean, you're not going
to argue right there, and you give the guy an
and she takes a mile. There was a report in
the New York Times and there are people within the
Trump cabinet who are saying, we're kind of concerned because
he's got this sort of unchecked power, this bromance going
on with President Trump, and he's taken a very aggressive,

(22:40):
I guess, and you might say unconstitutional approach right now.
He's been dismantling these government agencies, or at least trying to.
He's trying to shrink our government. A lot of people
think that's a good idea. How he's going about that, that's,
you know, in question right now because none of this
is happening with congressional approval, and that's sort of inviting
us what we're calling a constitutional clash over the limits

(23:02):
of what kind of presidential authority that not only the
president has, but he can give to Elon Musk to
do what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
It's a brimocracy, that's what it is. Dan He yes, Hey,
what's what's Biden been up to lately?

Speaker 12 (23:16):
Well, he's got himself an agent. Actually, he had this
agent before a few years ago for a Creative Artists agency,
which is what a lot of the big name Hollywood
people have. Former President Obama is repped by this agency,
so is his wife. And when he had him the
first time around back and I think it was between
two twenty seventeen and twenty twenty, they published a book

(23:39):
and that was kind about it.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
And you look at.

Speaker 12 (23:42):
What Biden is going to do, and you're kind of wondering, well,
what can he offer?

Speaker 9 (23:45):
I mean when.

Speaker 12 (23:46):
President Obama left office, I mean he was working with Netflix,
and he had television specials, and he went podcasts and developing.
I mean, it might be fun to imagine Biden as
his Hollywood star, but I think really this agency's going
to focus more on publishing books and maybe some speaking engagements.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I was going to say the writing would be about
the only thing that he's got, the only avenue he's
got left to tell his stories. Do you know what
I mean? I mean, the idea of a four hour
ted talk or something just probably isn't practical at this point,
is it. Yeah, not with his former president now. Dan,
thank you very much for that. Great to have you
on the show. Dan Mitche and our US correspondent, just

(24:24):
gone sixteen minutes away from five to Long on the
short of it, we don't really know what Trump's plans
are for Gaza, but it sounds like it sounds bad,
but it may not actually be that bad. Helen Clark
on that after five News Talk, say'd be very sober next,
and actually some great audio of Seymour and Guy Williams
going at it at WAITANGI just gone sixteen away from
five News Talks, said be so m Fat had put

(24:46):
a statement out Winston Peters has directed us to m FAT.
They've put a statement out on Trump and his Gaza
speech today. They're saying basically nothing. It's the same line
that the Australians that Albanezi gave for that press conference
not so long ago. New Zealand is following the range
of discussions closely. While we won't be commenting on every
proposal that has put ford, New z anim will continue

(25:06):
to work with our partners to encourage a stable and
prosperous Middle East, et cetera, et cetera. New Zealand's long
standing support for a two state solution is on the record.
Thirteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
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Speaker 2 (25:20):
Barry Sobers here, Hey Berry, good afternoon.

Speaker 13 (25:22):
Run.

Speaker 14 (25:23):
The Palestinian people would be dancing in the rubble, wouldn't
they with Donald Trump moving in turning it to the
riviera of the Middle East.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
His your clients said, I mean it's I mean, it's
hard to know with Donald Trump exactly what's going on,
but it's not a military intervention thing. It's more of
a development, a development opportunity by the sound of it.
Hey Seymour. Feelings the feeling the heat of white'hanging well.

Speaker 14 (25:45):
You'd have to say, wouldn't you, Ryan, If you're a
seat to write politician going to White Tangey, you've got
to be something about masochist.

Speaker 7 (25:51):
I mean, we.

Speaker 14 (25:51):
Saw Stephen Joyce having a duldo thrond at him once,
we saw Don Brush having mud slung at him. We
saw John Key being roughed up, remember that spat at
Well today the Treaty Settlement's bill. Did David Seymour know
good at all? And I think you know, Chris Luxon

(26:13):
made the right decision and staying away from the place.
If these people can't listen to argument, then what's the
point of the politicians being there. I mean, you know,
it's great for the opposition politicians because they can turn
up and say, look, we'll do everything for you. And
indeed Labor did do a lot for Mardy in terms
of appeasing.

Speaker 7 (26:32):
Their every wish.

Speaker 14 (26:34):
But now that we've got to suffer the consequences of that.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
To be fair to everyone on them, and I though
not everybody agreed with the action that they took taking
away that microphone, did they? So there was a commander
who brought it back he's obviously disagreement about the behavior
that went on.

Speaker 14 (26:49):
Well, the behavior towards David Seymour was very bad indeed,
but it wasn't just the moldy behavior towards David Seymour.
He certainly did feel the flat from Marty. But the
most inflammatory exchange came from the former partner of Disgrace
Green's MP Goldris Garriman, a fellow by the name of

(27:10):
Guy Williams.

Speaker 11 (27:11):
Ever listen touring Poison in One's Ears a quote from
Hamlet about putting mistruths in people's minds, and I believe
that's what people have done about my bill.

Speaker 15 (27:19):
Well, a lot of people saying that's what you're doing,
you're spreading misinformation.

Speaker 9 (27:22):
Well can you give them an example.

Speaker 15 (27:25):
Ah, you're trying to say that Maldia causing divisions and
racist when it seems like that's what you're doing.

Speaker 11 (27:30):
No, I've never said that at all.

Speaker 9 (27:31):
I've said this, don't lie to me. No, I've never
said that at all.

Speaker 11 (27:36):
That's why you're not a real journalist, these guys are
you actually get some sense of hope in your life.
That's what will improve the relationship for all New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Does not just Marty.

Speaker 15 (27:45):
You don't really believe this though, like you're saying, I'm
not a real journalist. But even I can see through
this bullshit like you're spinning shit, you're started about you.

Speaker 11 (27:53):
It's worse than that. You're not even a real comedian.
You know when I when I grew up as a
kid in this country, comedians for fun. They were clever,
they were was he what's gone wrong?

Speaker 7 (28:02):
I'm all right, yeah, I know the only.

Speaker 14 (28:05):
Person honestly, and do you know what he did? The
David Smurray does have a pretty good sense of humor.
He then turned to Simon Wilson from The Herald and said, look,
I'll take a question from you, sir. Things have got
to be desperate. So I was quite funny. I mean,

(28:25):
you know, I mean he did turn what was a
completely offensive situation into something that I thought was quite funny.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
That is that is that's that's really tickled me this time.
I actually went to university with guy Williams. He lived
in the room next to me for about a year.
He's a nice guy. He actually wanted to be a
politician when he was going to get there by that
sort of Hey, Shane Jones Meanwhile, he might be a
bit hangover from his party last night. He's saying, we'll

(28:54):
take your money off your white tangy.

Speaker 7 (28:56):
Yeah, well, what.

Speaker 14 (28:57):
Jane Jones is saying. And as you say, he didn't
come out of party of four hundred and fifty people
last night, so he wouldn't been feeling that well this morning.

Speaker 9 (29:05):
I wouldn't have thought.

Speaker 14 (29:06):
But he says, there's something seriously awry about the architecture
of the whole day and how it shakes down. And
I think, you know, most reasonable people, although every year
we say the same thing, you know, we see a
repeat year after year after year. I think it's a
good idea. And I remember, you know, Helen Clark, she

(29:28):
broke away from the Treaty grounds and took her presence
elsewhere on Waitangi Day. And I think, you know, if
this sort of behavior continues, then you'll find more politicians
following suit. But it was incredible that Shane Jones handed
out ten million bucks today to the Waitangi National Trust.

(29:49):
Now that's the organization that keeps up the Treaty ground
and organizes the Waitangi festivities, so it's a lot of money.
And he said that he'll be a a word to
his caucus and maybe looking at the decision that he
made this morning and announced, maybe overturned. I don't think
that's going to happen at all. But never there's it's

(30:12):
all Shane sounding off. Obviously had a good night last night.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
It sounds like he did, ye, Arry, thank you very
much for that, Very Soper. That is News Talks Hebb,
Senior political Correspondent's it's actually a great day to go
Barriers because you've been up there many times. But the
day on White Tangy Day proper because all of the
huha happens the day before.

Speaker 7 (30:30):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
White Day's like a festival up there. It's beautiful.

Speaker 14 (30:33):
The day itself is great. It's the porphyry for the
politicians the day before where everybody vents their spleen. I
just think the argument should be better. And turning their
backs on David Seymour and trying to out Singer's words
and taking the microphone away from him is simply ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Very Soper, you're on News Talks Hebb. It's just gone
seven to five.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Putting the time questions to the newspeakers, the Mike Hasking.

Speaker 16 (31:02):
Breakfast the social housing resets on. They're selling the ones
worth a lot in rebuilding new ones for less. The
Housing Minister Chris Bishop is with us the debt issue
they carry. How quickly does that get sorted?

Speaker 17 (31:12):
The debt will be about one point eight billion dollars
lower in three to four years time than it was
four past to be, which is good. They will still
carry debt, but of course we have to fund all
of that debt as tax pay.

Speaker 18 (31:22):
I mean, KAO should not.

Speaker 17 (31:23):
Be building massively expensive ornate departments with Juliete balconies and
all sorts of baldians.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Where were there?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Where were the board that you've got rid of?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Will they quit?

Speaker 16 (31:32):
Were they under riding instructions? Or were they incompetent?

Speaker 17 (31:35):
I mean, all I can say is we changed the board.
That was one of the first recommendations for the independent review.

Speaker 16 (31:39):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike asking breakfast with
the Rain drove the last news talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Just gone four away from five on Newstalk ZB So
Kanye West and his girlfriend when they stole the show
at the Grammys yesterday, we told you all about that. Well,
turns out he's now lost thirty five million dollars in
contracts in Japan after the stunt, he was meant to
do two shows at the Tokyo Dome in May, but
they have decided that they've just canned it. I wouldn't

(32:04):
have thought, honestly, given what is the Grammys and the
artists that perform at the Grammys and would put their
stuff on MTV and on the internet. The stuff that
they wear in their music videos is pretty much naked.
So what I mean, what is the big outcry? I
honestly cannot understand this. If it was at the White
House and she turned up naked, I would understand, But

(32:26):
the Grammys come on, everyone's basically tits out there anyway. Anyway,
thirty five million dollars is what he's lost from that,
and he's tweeted most Googled person on the planet called
Earth we own the Grammys. He got what he want,
I suppose. Helen Clark and David Seymour after the news, Yes, Sir, I.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Dream on it, buddy, Mimmy jam.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust for
the full picture? Brian Bridge on hither Duplicy Ellen Drive
with One New Zealand Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 7 (33:22):
That'd be good evening.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
It is five oh seven. Great to have your company
this evening. Things turn pretty heated when politicians turn up
at White tang You Today, David Seymour's microphone was taken
away halfway through his speech. Protesters turns their back on him.
At one point he's with me now minister, hello, hey Royan.
So how did today go?

Speaker 11 (33:43):
It depends how you measure it. I thought some people
behaved in ways that really let themselves down and unfortunately
gave a bad impression of the Maori world. Others I
thought behave very well. I count amongst them short one
to actually brought the microphone back to me twice. And overall,

(34:05):
I think what's important to me at least is that
you know you can take away my microphone, you can
turn your back, you can do a war dancer in
my face, or whatever you like. At the end of
the day, the one thing I didn't hear was a
compelling argument for why our treaty should not be interpreted
as an agreement that gives us all equal rights under

(34:27):
one parliament that is obliged to uphold all of our
rights equally. And in that sense, it was a failure,
but it gives me more encouragement to keep promoting the
Treaty principles.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Bill Shane Jones seemed to suggest that it would take
some money off them because of the way they behaved.
Is that a bit far?

Speaker 11 (34:46):
Look, the one thing I will say about that is
that the White Tonguey Trust bought a lot of people
don't realize this, but it's like Cornwall Park and Auckland.
It's not a public thing. It's a privately owned piece
of land. It's a museum. They keep the grounds and grut,
the Treaty House, the Mariah in great condition, and they
make a huge effort to try and make this day work.

(35:09):
It's not them that are ruining it. Ten million dollars
to keep the place up to scratch for the whole country.
I think we should be a bit wary of blaming them,
the other ones trying to make it better.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
David seymore, Happy White Dangy.

Speaker 11 (35:24):
Day, Happy White Dangy Day to you two.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
All right, just gone. Nine minutes after five.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Ray and Bridge.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Trump says the US will take over Gaza, move Palestinians out,
and develop the land. He spoke after meeting with Benjamin
Nettin Yahu at the White House a few hours ago.

Speaker 8 (35:40):
will do a job with it too. We'll own it,
get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out, create
an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs
and housing for the people of the area.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Robert Patman's with me this evening. I tag it Uni
international Relations. Robert, good evening, Oh.

Speaker 19 (36:03):
Good evening.

Speaker 7 (36:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Are you taking this seriously?

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Well, you have to.

Speaker 19 (36:07):
Take it seriously in the sense that mister Trump represents
the most powerful office in the world and the most
powerful country, and even by his eye opening stadens, it's
a very shocking statement, and you know, a clean break
with previous American policy towards the Middle East region and
particularly towards the Israeli Palestinian conflicts since the Oslo Cords

(36:32):
of the early nineties. So you know, it's difficult at
the moment to be optimistic about the impact of such
a statement.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
He's saying that they because it's about at one point
eight million Palestinians currently in Gaza, He's saying, or we
could just move them to neighboring countries. But the neighboring
countries don't.

Speaker 19 (36:48):
Want them, and then he says, oh, but they will
after I've spoken to them.

Speaker 7 (36:53):
But that's not the point.

Speaker 19 (36:55):
The point is what gives America the authority to forcibly
displace people living in a territory when they've lived there
for some time. And it's an arbitrary act in many respects,
and it seems to be a further step away from

(37:16):
achieving a solution which America and New Zealand both stood for,
which is a two state solution. So yeah, it's a
worrying development and it's going to do nothing to ease
the negotiations the second phase of the a greed cease fire,
which is just coming up for discussion between Israel and Hamas.
So it's likely to escalate rather than diminished tension.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Well I wonder, yeah, because that second phase that you're
talking about, and you've got Israel saying we're not going
to agree to the second phase unless the leaders of
Hamas agree to leave Gaza. They're not going to do that,
are they. So we're basically going back to war.

Speaker 19 (37:54):
No, I mean, they're not going to do that. And
mister Nietna, who please notice what is missing from mister Netna,
whose narrative and that is any desire to address the
issue of the Palestinian desire for self determination for twenty
five years, Mister Ntner, who has adopted a position which

(38:16):
is directly odds with the position of his major backer,
the United States, which does one of two states solutions.
Mister Niesi, who you know, following that horrendous Hamis terrorist attack,
has never identified what he sees as the end goal
of the air and ground offensive that's occurred during the

(38:38):
last fifteen months. So you know that issue is at
the root of the problem. And it doesn't seem like
mister Trump is actually applying too much thinking about how
can tensions in the region be resolved as opposed to
be transplanting them elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Patman, thank you very much for your time. I take
Auniversity International Relations twelve minutes after five, changing gears completely.
So a story caught my eye today out of Dunedin.
They reckon it costs forty cents to flush. Every time
you flush a public toilet in Dunedin, it will cost
you forty cents. How do they know that, Well, they've
done the numbers in this article, so they've got the cleaners,

(39:20):
and they've added up the cost. You've got eighty toilets,
you've got five hundred cleans per week, the cost is
eleven dollars fifty per clean and you've got an annual
budget for their public toilets in Dnedin of one point
one million dollars. Stay with me, it's not just about Dunedin.
Then they get to Hamilton, similar number of lows there.
What's the budget one million dollars. Then they get to
christ Church. Now they've got a lot more loose because

(39:42):
they've got a lot more people, one hundred and ninety
four lows. What does that cost? One point four million dollars?
And then they get to Wellington and mark my words,
seventy nine lows. So the same number of lows as
the same number of lows and poohs as Dunedin and Hamilton.
What is the cost five point six million dollars. Now

(40:05):
I am open to Wellington City Council coming on tonight
and saying no, that includes the cost of I don't
even know what could that possibly include the cost of?
You know, are there diamonds coming out of the toilet?
Are they golden crusted? Tell me Wellington, because at five
point six million dollars for seventy nine toilets that I

(40:26):
don't even know what the flush rate the flush conversion
would be on that, but that doesn't sound great fortune.
Fourteen after and most of it doesn't go into pipes anyway,
because you don't even have them. Fourteen after five news talks,
there'd be inflation. With Jerry Kunicks five seventeen news talks,
there'd be Helen Clark won't be with us. That's why

(40:48):
we spoke to Robert Patman on Gaza. We were unable
to contact her, Unfortunately, unable to get hold of her
at that time. I just thought I'd let you know
because lots of you are texting in. Another says on
the toilet's Ryan all the byes. I won't repeat the
word you wrote. All the bs coming out of Wellington.
Of course, it'll be more expensive to use their toilets
there right. The unemployment rate's gone up five point one

(41:10):
percent in the final quarter of twenty twenty four, up
from four point eight percent in the September quarter. Unemployment
now the highest it's been since September twenty twenty, that's
when it was five point two percent. Keep we Bank
Chief economist Jared Curves with me, Jared, good evening, Good evening.
So this is what everyone was expecting. Does that mean
we can continue expecting that the interest rates will come

(41:30):
down in two weeks?

Speaker 20 (41:32):
Yeah, exactly. It came in line with expectations, but to
be fair, expectations are pretty miserable and it was an
ugly report, and it does suggest the Reserve Band needs
to do more to put this economy into recovery mode.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
More than what they told us they'd do, in other words,
more than half a percent.

Speaker 20 (41:52):
Absolutely. I think they'll deliver fifty in February, but we're
thinking about where they end this year. They're telling us
they'll cut to three and half percent. We're telling them
that we think they need to cut to three percent.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
By when the end of the year.

Speaker 20 (42:08):
Yeah, by the middle of this year, end of this year.
The main point is that interest rates are still restrictive.
The restraining households, they're restraining businesses. We've seen it in
the labor market. It's time, it's time to take some
of that pressure off.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Is there a point where you get so far in
a rut you can't even begin to see your way out,
And is that where we are now in terms of
consumer confidence in spending.

Speaker 20 (42:33):
We were definitely in quite a rut last year. We
are somewhat optimistic that things turn around this year. I
think there's always a way to sort of dig your
way out of problems, and we certainly will do that.
It just takes more action from our policy makers growth.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I've been looking at the numbers from the Reserve Bank
and from Treasury. They reckon, we're going to go. This
is Treasury from half a percent growth through till June,
so barely registering to three point three percent by June
twenty twenty six. Does that sound highly optimistic to you.

Speaker 20 (43:12):
That's kind of in line with what we're expecting. You know,
these rate cuts come through, they'll feed through over the
next six months. You're working off a very low base,
so very low levels, and you start seeing a recovery
into twenty and twenty six. And yeah, we're sort of
pitching the idea that we'll see two to three percent

(43:32):
growth rates into twenty and twenty six. It's definitely possible,
and you know, something we hope that we will see.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I certainly hope we do.

Speaker 7 (43:41):
Two.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Thanks so much for your time, Jared, Jared kirk Kievybank
chief Economists with US on news Talks there b time
is twenty after five. I'll tell you what I think
about White TANGI next plus Ol Salvador. So this is
the country that's got a mega prison, forty thousand prisoners
all in one place. No windows in the cells, by
the way, So thank you lucky. If you're at Port
m or m or right now or out at Witty,

(44:03):
no windows in the cells, and they are offering to
take some US citizens, albeit convicted criminals. I'll give you
the deats on that.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Shortly informed inside into today's issues. It's Ryan Bridge on
hither dupericy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
News talk said be five twenty three. Anyone who may
have had reservations about lux and ditching Whiteangy this year
can put them to bed safely. David Seymour had his
mic taken away from him while he was speaking this afternoon,
which is odd because he was invited to speak as
a representative of the government there today. To be fair,
a senior Cormartur gave his mic back a short time later.

(44:43):
It was more of a lone wolf thing. It looked
like that to me anyway, But Seymour was booed and
people swore at him as he left. Apparently all of
this is to say, you can see why Luxon didn't
want a bar of it. But at the same time
it's all a little bit silly. I know there's strong
on both sides of the Principal's bill, but this all
looked a little bit childish earlier in the day, and

(45:07):
yesterday there were some brilliant and impassioned speeches from the
pipe Eye, so it shouldn't be discounted completely just because
of one guy. And one day. Seymour's a big boy.
He won't care too much about this stuff. And looking
at it from afar, you can't help it feel like
you didn't miss much being there today, did you. Now.

(45:27):
I've been north many times to report on Wyetangy, and
it is always the day before where things kick off.
I am heading north tomorrow once things have settled down,
to soak in the warm Northland sun and the warm
Northland hospitality, and I encourage anyone who hasn't been up there,
not the day before, when the politicians are there and
the screaming and the shouting and the drama and the

(45:49):
cameras go on white Tangy Day proper. It's like a festival.
It's great fun, and I encourage you all to do
it twenty five after five am.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
The bridge.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Now our salvage or the place you don't want to
be x. We had the opportunity to go to Ol
Salvador once and I said no because it's very dangerous.
Went around, you know, went to Guatemala and Hondura, which
is still quite dangerous. But our Salvador is like the
apex of danger. It's the hot spot. So they have
a mega prison there with forty thousand prisoners, right. And

(46:21):
the president is much loved by his people because he's
rounded up all the gang members and he's put them
in this one prison. And he's come up with a
smart idea, he has said to Trump, because old Marco
Rubio has been visiting on his wee Latin American tour.
He's come up with an idea. We will take your
prisoners from the States, even if they're US citizens, your criminals,

(46:42):
if they are convicted, we will take them here. But
we'll just charge you a fee. And what they reckon
they can do doesn't say exactly what the fee is.
And that you can imagine what the human rights groups
are saying. They're all up in arms, but he's rounded
all these gangsters up, put them in prison. Seems to
be working under emergency powers. Don't know what the fee is,
but he reckons that even with just a few American

(47:05):
visiting prisoners, they can pay for the whole system. That's
how cheap it is to run. No windows of course
in those jails, and I don't imagine there's much in
the way of food. But streets are safe. The president
who did this most recent election, eighty five percent of
people voted for him because for the first time in years,
they are walking around the streets without gang violence. I mean,

(47:28):
obviously there's going to be issues with who's he rounded up,
you know, and were they all guilty of what he
said that they are? But there you go, there's a
way to make some money out of the Yanks. Twenty
six After five News Talks, z'b will talk TJ. Pettinada
after newsuis.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home, it's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duplessy allan drive
with one New Zealand Let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
News Talks a'd be.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
If you're feeling down, I follow make you happy.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
A bee.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Good evening. Twenty five minutes away from the Sex year
Old News talks abs with cruise into White Tangy Day tomorrow.
Lots of text on Our Salvador, Ryan, you're a woos.
We went to our Salvador fifteen years ago, against all
the advice, had a day there and thoroughly enjoyed it.
We did see a youp with a machine mounted on
the machine gun mounted on the back, arm police everywhere

(49:01):
with semi automatic shotguns. Quite an experience, but glad we
did it, Ryan, I just went to our Salvador, says
this Texter, and it is super safe now that all
the gang members have been locked up. The people loved
the new president. Far safer than all the surrounding countries. Now, apparently,
don't bag Ol Salvador. I wasn't bagging Ol Salvador. I

(49:22):
was just saying there's a mega prison there in which
they house forty thousand people with no windows. I mean,
that's and what do I care? Twenty four to Sex
News Talks.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
That Beig cryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Right, We're going to talk about TJ. Paranara Senior. All
Blacks coaches and NDED rugby staff have all said they
felt blindsided by his protest before his final hucker last November.
You remember that he ignited controversy making a statement right
before the Hacker that most of us have interpreted as
a criticism of the act Party's treaty Principal's Bill. Members

(49:52):
of the management and playing group have told The Heralds
Gregor Paul that they didn't give TJ permission to politicize,
as the hacker in Gregapool is with me this evening.

Speaker 9 (50:03):
Good, good evening.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
So did anyone know exactly what he was going to do?

Speaker 21 (50:10):
I don't think it's strictly clear that there was an
exact or specific mention of you know, here's exactly what
I will see when I lead the hacker. My understanding
is that TJ was fairly consistent with a broadbrush view
that he wanted to provide what he called a message
of unity, and no one really inquired overly as to

(50:34):
you know, what specifically that would entail.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Do you think they should have?

Speaker 17 (50:39):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (50:40):
I think there's yes, that there's clearly you know, procedural
or protocol faults internally within the All Blacks.

Speaker 9 (50:48):
Yeah, if you go through what happened piece by piece.

Speaker 21 (50:50):
I mean that it should have been brought up earlier
in the week at a leaders meeting, you know, it
should have been put in front of the whole team
to form a view upon. And again, even even when
management became a way late in the piece just before
kickoff that TJ was adamant he wanted to say something.
Even then, there were options available to management to either

(51:10):
remove him as the hacker leader if they were uncomfortable,
or you know, or remove him entirely from the match
day twenty three if that's what they felt the risk
of the scenario of him saying something I'm sanctioned was
going to be.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
So here's the problem I've got. So you've got this
story that's come out, so finally we're getting the kind
of the insight on what really went down. But at
the time afterwards, there was a big show of unity
from the playing and the coaching group. You know, everyone
was honky dory after it happened. So why the show
of unity afterwards?

Speaker 21 (51:42):
Yeah, good question. I'm not sure they were hunky dorry.
I think they made a decision between certainly the captain
Scott Barrett and the coach Scott Robertson took a view that, look, TJ.
Perrinara has been a wonderful servant of rugby, that he's
a highly respected figure. He's been a warrior, you know,

(52:04):
he's deeply admired and respected in the team and in
the international rugby game.

Speaker 9 (52:09):
And he was making his last appearance.

Speaker 21 (52:11):
So they took a view that they didn't feel that
they wanted to sully his reputation despite the fact they
were disappointed at the way things had gone that night,
that they could do their level base to support him
or to not give away that you know, warhead really happened.

Speaker 9 (52:27):
He was moving off into Japan.

Speaker 21 (52:29):
They could deal with this internally, you know, over over
the summer, they could work out what went wrong, how
they can improve that. You know, systems will need to
put in place to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Speaker 9 (52:39):
And they didn't need to tarnish TJ. Paranaur's reputation.

Speaker 21 (52:44):
But you know, in the end, well that might be
a kind of noble and admirable thing that they wanted
to do that that does need to be, you know,
a public address of the issue, because it clearly it
doesn't matter what your politics are clearly it was divisive.
Clearly it disunited people and the All Blacks are all
about unity themselves internally, but they're a team that feels

(53:04):
that they're there to unite the country as well, that
the people's team, So that kind of thing can't continue
for them.

Speaker 9 (53:10):
They can't divide people.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Gregor, thanks for that really interesting report. Gregor Paul and
zed Herald Rugby writer. It has just gone twenty one
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Saturday Morning. Hey Jack, welcome back. Hey right, good to
have you. Let's start with TJ. Phil. What is this
was a really interesting story from Gregor Paul and the Hill.
We've just spoken to him. What did you make of it?

Speaker 7 (53:50):
Yeah? I think that's correct. A break from Gregor?

Speaker 9 (53:51):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (53:52):
Well done for him? I just thought, you know, it's
the old story that sportsman, no matter how famous, there
and he's a Wellington icon, TJ Pire and Arioso. I've
clapped and supported him for many, many years and I
still do. But it just goes to the point that sportsman,
sportsmen and women need to understand they're not actually cultural icons,
they're not actually politicians. They're there to entertain the public

(54:12):
and play sport. And if he wants to say something
into a microphone, that's fine, I'll take that on the
on the basis that it's given. But to take what
should be the most unifying thing for all New Zealand,
it's the all Blacks Hakker and the words said before
that is making a political statement that he and he
alone seemed to want to make. I just don't think
that that's right. And I think Greg's right to break

(54:32):
the story and for people to actually criticize the team
a bit for not doing not doing all their best
to make sure that didn't happen. So, you know, it's
a sad end to what was a great career because.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Jack, the thing is with the Haker, it's you perform
it together. You've kind of got no choice in the matter, right,
And for him to say something that had so much
meaning without telling his teammates, I think that's a little uncol.

Speaker 22 (54:58):
Well, it sounds like he did raise it with his teammates.
The extent to which he raised it and actually articulated
the message he was going to be sharing is probably
up to debate. So I suppose if you look at
it from the other side, all Blacks management, the team
senior management, did know before they walked out on the field.
At least some of them knew that TJ was going

(55:18):
to be going off script compared to most of his
other performances leading the Harker.

Speaker 9 (55:24):
They did have an.

Speaker 22 (55:24):
Opportunity if they were really profoundly concerned about the message
he was going to be sharing, to pull him either
from that role or from the matchday squad. It would
have been an extreme call, but if they really felt
that strongly, I suppose that was available to them. And
you know, I pushed back a little bit on the
pedestal thing and sport people in politics. I know that
not everyone likes it when sports people speak up, but

(55:46):
we as a society are the ones who give them
these incredible, big platforms. And when you give someone a platform,
in my view, you can't really pick and choose what
they decided.

Speaker 9 (55:55):
To do with it.

Speaker 22 (55:56):
And you know, if TJ would expect to have an
All Blacks we Are after this, if he was expecting
to be in leadership positions in New Zealand Rugby after this,
well then he might duly expect some consequences from that decision.
But ultimately, we as a society decide to put these
people on pedestals, and I think it's on us when
they decided to use that attention.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
I agree with you, Jack, except for it was on
work time, you know, like when you're when you're doing
the If he was tweeting up a storm in the weekend,
well I don't really care. But Phil, I you know,
for me, that's where it sort of crosses into work territory.

Speaker 7 (56:32):
That's exactly right. I agree with Jack. If he wants
to say something about whatever he wants to say, he
wants to be you as to say, the Earth flat, Well,
that's fine, I'll take it on I'll take it on
advice because I know he's not an expert on estrophysics,
you know. But but when he does it in the
middle of what should be the most unifying act by
anybody in New Zealand, the or Black Zacker, I can't
think of many more unifying acts than that, then then

(56:55):
I do think it's wrong and he should have actually
been more respectful of the traditions of the Hacker, of
the fact that the All Blacks are a big unifier
and if you wanted to start after the game, it's fine.
I mean, he's jack right about that. If he's a celebrity,
he's well known, he's got a platform, he can say
what he likes. But I think during the.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Hacker Fellow Riley and Jack tam on the huddle this evening,
I both of them, I'm sure go to the Cory Lounge.
So we'll talk about that and we'll talk about Trump
and Gaze.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
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Speaker 2 (57:26):
Fourteen away from six Fellow'riiley and Jack Tame on the huddle.
Welcome back, guys. So Jack, I'll start with you because
obviously you were US correspondent. You were there for a
portion of when Trump was in first time round, and
he's come out today and said he's going to take
whatever this means, take over Gaza and build. What did
you read? What are you thinking when you're listening to that.

Speaker 22 (57:46):
Ah, I mean I actually just try and temper my
shock and outrage a surprise with Donald trump announcements, because
he does have a habit of going zero to one
hundred and then pulling back a fee bit. That the
tariff stuff this week is quite a good example. A
righty comes out and says I'm going to put in
these massive tariffs, and everyone goes, oh my god, the

(58:07):
stock market's freak out, and then two days later he
actually pears it all back. I'm not saying who does
that all the time, but you know, I think it's
a pretty extreme suggestion for Gaza, and it's unlikely to
go anywhere for several main reasons. Number one, I can't
see Jordan in Egypt very happily taking all of the
Palestinians have sadly been stuck in Gaza for this time.

(58:29):
And number two, I think looking at the likes of
some of the other Golf states for their reaction, it
gives you a good steer as to where the Americans
are likely to go. So keep in mind that the
Americans prioritize their relationship with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia before
the October ninth, Attacks had been looking at normalizing its
relationship with Israel. They now say they won't be normalizing

(58:51):
relationships with Israel until Palestine has its own states. So
I can only imagine that if Trump were to push
ahead seriously, whether like this and Gaza and get Israeli support,
someone like the Saudi's would come in and ex it.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, I mean there's Sadi has already come out and
said they don't like, they don't like the idea. Phil
It sounded to me like almost like it was more
of less of a of a geopolitical land grab and
more of a development opportunity.

Speaker 7 (59:19):
Well exactly, I mean there's a we just need to
I think he spoke clumsily, and I looked at it.
I thought I could seal the reaction from it. But
there's actually a precedent for all this, and after the
second one, what's called the Marshall Plan, when the United
States invested heavily in the redevelopment and and and the
rebuilding of Europe. And that that worked out, Okay, didn't it?

(59:40):
You know what I mean? And I think there's a
peace pre He says, you know, well, we'll clear it out,
We'll sort of it, and I think that's the property
developer speaking. Actually. I think he's saying, we can actually
rebuild this, And I take that level in many ways
that you're not trying to defend it, because I don't
think it'll happened even then. But let's be clear. I mean,
there are there that's rebuilding the Gaza strip and creating

(01:00:01):
new businesses, new employment opportunities, even if some of them
are on tourism, might actually be a good idea, and
maybe we should think about that rather than simply returning
to some sort of warlike state. So I take him
at that level, but I don't take him much. I
don't take him very seriously at that level, because even
that is, to Jack's point, is simply not going to occur.
There's so much interest in the rest of the Gaza story,

(01:00:22):
and economic development is not even close to being a
part of that story. He also said, remember when he
was visiting Kim John Wan, I think in North Korea.
He said of some of the shorefront he was landing
in the plane and he said, that'll make for some
great condos. You know, you can take the property developer
out in New York, New York, He's always going to
be a property developer. So I think that's that's what

(01:00:43):
he's really talking about. I think, and I don't think
it'll be taken seriously. But I don't think he's talking
about occupying Palestine with US soldiers and kicking Palestinian people out.
I don't think that's actually what he's meaning.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
No, I don't think so either.

Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Are you a Cory Lounge user?

Speaker 23 (01:00:58):
I am a coach go lands use it, and I'm
one of these people who like I'll own it. I
just kind of resort to a childlike state, you know,
like a child at a birthday party.

Speaker 22 (01:01:09):
It's this kind of pathetic thing. We go in there,
and I think, for goodness sake, I go down to
countdown and buy a wedge of cheap breath for four dollars,
And yet here I am having my seventh serve.

Speaker 9 (01:01:19):
What have I become?

Speaker 22 (01:01:21):
And yes, I take solace from the fact that when
it comes to unutifying behavior, I'm still probably in the
upper quartile of well behaved people in the Kodu club.
I cannot believe the speed with which otherwise successful and
dignified people seem to throw any shred of dignity away
in that room.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Tell me, well, pray, tell what's it like in there, Philip,
because I think here's the thing. I'm too cheap. Like
I don't know whether you get it as part of
your work package, Jack, but I'll be talking to your
offline after this about it. I don't. But what does
it cost? It's like, what is it eight hundred dollars
these days or seven hundred dollars or something. I'm too
cheap to fork out for that, phil I'd rather be

(01:02:01):
outside getting macas or something.

Speaker 7 (01:02:03):
Personally, I was, I was just I was just reflecting
on the people, the lack of dignity, and occasionally when
I need a glass of whye, I lacked the dignity
jilms that are pushing through, waving through the crowds and
backpack and saying let me let me at the rose.
So yeah, but actually, well I haven't paid for it
for a long time. The reason is I fly stay frequently.
I'll be flying. It's a very very frequent fly of
nuw Geral for thirty on years now. So they give

(01:02:26):
it to me for free and then itself and I fly.
But I can assure your listeners that it's it's a
pretty grim place, particularly Friday afternoon, the domestic lounge place
on their suits and so on.

Speaker 22 (01:02:45):
When you've when you've been a member of the of
the Delta Club, I can assure you it's a whole
lot better than three of the international functions.

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
No, that's true, but I think But my point, Ryan
is that if any zyal On thinks they're going to
make things better by coming up with a bigger, better,
brader lounge, I think they've got a bit more work
to do, certainly for customers like me where Frankly, I've
been flying the regularly for studies, and every time I
get on the plane, every time I walk into one
of those lounges, they treat me astleff on my first
time fly. They don't know who I am, They've got

(01:03:12):
no idea. So they've really got to work if they
want to actually get customer loyalty. They certainly don't even
need from me if they want to get customer and
they're going to have to treat people better as regular
flyers and new lounges and flash new stuff like that's
not going to cut it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Do you know what? You need a T shirt that
says don't you know who I am they solve the problem.
You know, one day.

Speaker 7 (01:03:35):
A petrol stations away might spend a bit of time
there too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
One day it'll all be ai, there'll be no people
there and they will know who you are.

Speaker 7 (01:03:44):
Right, that'll be a that'll be worriesome.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Oh goodness me all right, Hey, thank you guys, very much,
lovely to have you on. Just before White Tangy fellow,
rileygh Iron juke partner's former boss of Business n Z
and Jack Tame Proud Cardo, member host of Q and
A and Saturday Morning. I should really just stop being
a tight up and get myself a membership, shouldn't I?
But then the thing is you have to then also
get the Air New Zealand flight, so there's no point

(01:04:09):
in having caught it if you're going to sometimes get
a jet Star flight, which I sometimes do because the
price differential was so mad that I would go pay
for the thirty nine dollars Jet Star flight rather than
the two hundred and twenty dollars in New Zealand. One
is that just me? I think that's a practical reasonable approach.
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Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Welcome back to just gone four minutes away from six.
Sorry about that, didn't realize we were back. Lots and
lots of texts coming in on TJ, Peter Andara. A
lot of people disagreeing with Jack, who was on the
panel earlier on the Huddle talking about you know the
fact that he could if you're a celebrity, you should
be able to do and say whatever you like was
the gist of his point. Someone says, cripes, can you

(01:05:06):
imagine Sam Caine busting out a monologue on opposing a
capital gains tax before the hacker or at a press
conference postgame. Seriously, there is a time and a place,
says this texter. Lots of text as well. On the
Cory Club, people think that I should Why aren't I
member of the Curry Club? Am I not earning enough money?

(01:05:28):
It's a choice, isn't it? I mean it's what is it?
Eight hundred dollars something like that for a year. The
question is do you travel enough on air New Zealand
to justify using it? And my answer to that question
is no. Unfortunately, coming up to six o'clock here on
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Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Good evening seven after six. Great to have your company
a Google. They are under investigation by China. Why we'll
tell you with Milford Asset Management. That's coming up inside
the next half an hour. Also, we're going to talk
about what we revealed on Monday. The government's looking at
a corporate tax cut for potentially for multinationals coming to
New Zealand. Our Geneti training from The Herald's got more

(01:06:36):
on that inside the next half hour as well. Right now, though,
Australia has banned the AI chatbot Deep Seek from all
federal government devices, and there are security concerns over China's
foray into the AI market, so the Aussie government's done it.
Taiwan has banned the software as well. We haven't yet.
In twenty twenty three we banned TikTok, which is China's owned.

(01:07:01):
So will we follow suit here? Should we follow suit here? Well,
let's go to strategy psychologist and AI commentator Paul Diagnan,
who's with me. Good evening and great to have you
on the show. Do you think what Australia has done
is the right move?

Speaker 18 (01:07:17):
Yes, very definitely, But you need to distinguish between There's
two things happening here, slowly complicated. There's the basically the
deep Seek software itself, and that can be run on
Chinese service or it can be run on other servers.
So the thing to ban at the moment is it
running on Chinese service. So if you just download the

(01:07:39):
app on your phone and start using it, all that
information goes to China and they're actually the privacy policy
says that if the government asks them, they'll they'll give
them information. So you certainly wouldn't want public servants using
that and feeding any kind of sensitive information through to China,
so that there's that issu. A bit separate issue is
if you run it, if we run it, for instance,

(01:08:00):
in New Zealand, and that's an issue of whether the
actual software itself is safe. And already Microsoft is actually
running deep Sea on its servers. Because it's open source software,
anyone can do it, so that points to the fact
that probably when it's run on your own service in
New zemn for instance, then it would be safe. So
you want to make that distinction.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
How do you know the difference?

Speaker 18 (01:08:22):
Well, well, first of all, you would know you would
if you well, you'd have to be assured that it
was running on local service. So if the Microsoft one,
for instance, in fact, actually the Microsoft ones aren't necessarily
based in New Zone, but if you went through the
Microsoft and they used deep Sea via the Microsoft interface,
and then you would know that it wasn't hosted in

(01:08:44):
China because they would tell you that, if you know
what I mean. So, yes, you fear enough that from
the user's point of view may not know. But at
the moment, if the user just downloads onto your phone
deep Seak and starts using it, it is actually hosted
in China. So that version of it, so a special
version of a sort of KEP secured and looked after,
you'd know that you'd be using it, because you'd have

(01:09:05):
to go to some effort to get into the special version.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Paul, have you downloaded it?

Speaker 18 (01:09:10):
Look? I downloaded it and then I didn't sign on
because I know, no, this is madness. So I've got it.
I actually put it on my phone just I thought, oh.

Speaker 19 (01:09:18):
This is cool.

Speaker 18 (01:09:19):
I'm going to use that, and then I thought no
about to register my name, I thought, I really don't
want to tell because the thing is, I'm a psychologists, right,
So there's sort of different types of information. And the
fascinating thing about a chat bot is you start talking
to it almost like as a person, and in a sense,
it can kind of profile. You know, the Chinese had
no interest in profiling me, but it does. You know,

(01:09:41):
it's really one. As soon as you know all the
different things that someone may ask a chat blot it
starts to it can if someone wanted to get quite
a sort of a personality psychological profile of you. So
I think you need to be very careful about the
ones that you use and they don't use. As for
the average punter, if they want to download it and
they don't care, you know, they don't think it's on
is looking very closely at them, they may decide to

(01:10:04):
do that, but I'd be careful about what you say
to it in terms.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Of what can they look at. I mean, what you've
just said is actually quite interesting you. Some people might
start talking to it like they would a friend or
a partner and tell them maybe some intimate things about themselves,
things that could be used potentially by a Chinese government,
and if you're a federal employee then perhaps that's not
such a great thing.

Speaker 18 (01:10:26):
Well, absolutely be a disaster of anyone who's foolish enough
to do that. But even at a more subtle level,
it kind of gets you know, like at the moment
that companies track what we do, what advertisements we look at,
and what sites we go to, all that kind of stuff,
but really the interaction of a chatbot is sort of
another layer of where if someone sought to, they could

(01:10:46):
really quite you know, kind of profile you at a deep,
almost psychological level, because they would know everything that you're
interested in and they would know you almost your interaction styles,
so they could even so obviously the Chinese government's not
going to be doing that with the average person in
New Zealand. And this is a concern for any any
software service that's based overseas, any AI system based overseas.

(01:11:11):
And what this raises us as question what's called data sovereignty,
which is really important.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Yeah, just before we go, I wanted to just ask
how you got into this because you're a psychologist, but
then you're AI, you've got an interest in AI. How
did you get the two become one.

Speaker 18 (01:11:29):
Well, most up until now, I've had quite an interest
in it, But up until now it's kind of been
pouring from the psychological point of You can't psychoanalyze a spreadsheet,
for instance, can you. The fascinating thing about AI is
it's kind of like this intelligent entity has come into
the world. So as a psychologist, I find it fascinating
because suddenly we've got this whole new entity and you

(01:11:51):
can actually give it psychological tests. You know you can,
you can you can actually treat it in a lot
of the ways in which we actually think about people
as a psychologist, So that's really good. My interest came from.
Plus I've also been a golden software startup, et cetera,
et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
So have you actually treated an AI bot for like
mental illness or something.

Speaker 18 (01:12:11):
It's not got to that level yet, but I meant,
but I think, see what I think will happen. These
things are getting more and more powerful, and you know
that you know that what's going to happen at some
stage the kind of culture wars, and it's already happening.
The culture wars will move into the type of AI
system that people are using and we know that Elon

(01:12:33):
Musk is set one up which has a certain flavor
to it, and he says chat he has got a
different favor, So we will we will be sort of
analyzing the personality of these ones and you could kind
of pick and choose which one's more attuned to your
kind of world view. So we will get to that stage.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Will people fall in Can people no longer do they
no longer need real life relationships? Can they fall in
love with an AI spot?

Speaker 18 (01:12:57):
This is I think absolutely definitely. This is a fascinating area.
So some people say this is bad and dangerous, and
obviously if you do fall in love with the bot.
What happens with Replica was the interned, all the bots
off and a hold. Other people have their heart's breaking.
But some people say it's bad, and you can understand
why they say it's bad. But on the other hand,

(01:13:17):
in modern society, there's a lot of lonely people out there,
and some of them would argue, well, you know, I
don't have come people coming around knocking on the door
wanting to talk to me, and I've got this thing
to me, So if you don't like it, that's your problem.
But basically, I'm finding out'm getting on really quite well
with it. So so as if everything with AI is
kind of a game changer, we're into a new world

(01:13:39):
where we're going to have to think about a lot
of the assumptions that we had in the old world.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Yeah, goodness me, Paul, you've given us a lot to
think about. Strategy psychologists and AI commentator Paul Dagnan with
us this evening. Sex wouldn't be great with it with
a AI robot floppy disk.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Six seventeen. News Talk said be lots of people in
response to that interview on AI and relationships, basically a
relationship with an AI bot, lots of people are saying
watch the movie. Her Ben says, very good, a guy
falls in love with an aios. So I'll have to
watch that this weekend. Thank you, Ben. Right. Nicola Willis
has spent the past three days hinting at changes to

(01:14:25):
company taxes. It all started when I asked her about
it on Monday.

Speaker 9 (01:14:29):
We're not as competitive as we used to be.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
We can't take tax off the table because it could
make a difference to our competitiveness.

Speaker 20 (01:14:37):
We always have to balance that against our other pressing needs.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
We are at twenty eight percent, Singapore is at seventeen,
and Ireland, which we love to compare ourselves to, at
eleven and a half percent. From memory, since then, the
Finance Minister has been leaving a few more clues in
janetips Trainey is the heralds Wellington business editor. She's with
me tonight, good evening.

Speaker 24 (01:14:57):
Good evening, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
What else is the Finance minister insane?

Speaker 7 (01:15:01):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:15:01):
I had a chat to Nichola Willis after you did,
and I asked her about the foreign Investment fund tax regime.
Now this sounds awfully dry and boring, but the Inland
Revenue has actually been consulting on tweaking these tax rules. Now,
these tax rules mean that if you have more than
fifty thousand dollars invested in offshore entities and companies and shares,

(01:15:26):
you could be penalized with the way you have to
pay tax. So rather than pay tax on the dividend
income that you receive, you pay tax on a certain
portion of what your investment is worth. So it's a
bit like a wealth tax. You know, you pay tax
on the value of the investment, even if you're not
actually getting any money from that investment. Now, the concern
among some people is that that rule could deter wealthy

(01:15:50):
migrants from staying in New Zealand all Kiwis who have
earned lots of money overseas and invested overseas from returning
back here, you know, because migrants are more likely to
have more money invested overseas, and if the tax burden
on them is you know, fairly heavy handed due to
these rules, then that could cause them to leave. And

(01:16:11):
you know, same with kis, if they have a bunch
of money invested in offshore companies, that could prevent them
from from coming back to New Zealand. There's a bit
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's a really interesting point. I mean, as
you say, fifth, we haven't heard much about fifth, but
for those people, it would be hugely beneficial if the
rules were to.

Speaker 24 (01:16:30):
Be changed, Yeah, for sure. And I mean it's a
tricky one because for a lot of people you might
be thinking, well, if you have more than fifty thousand
dollars invested offshore, then you know, you don't really need
a tax break. You know, you're probably doing okay. But
if the government does want to attract wealthy foreigners to
New Zealand, which it says it does, then then this

(01:16:51):
is something that could be changed.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:16:53):
I took to Robin Walker, who's a Deloitte tax partner,
and she said it could be changed so that you
actually just pay tax on the income you receive rather
than paying tax on a certain portion of your investment.
Nikola Willis said that she was receptive, that was the word,
receptive to hearing concerns and possibly making a change. I

(01:17:14):
believe a whole bunch of people have actually submitted to
the ID on this, so it's definitely a live issue.

Speaker 7 (01:17:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:17:21):
The Finance Minister also spoke to me a little bit
about potentially phasing in any tax changes. So she said
that she should make announcements at the budget on May
twenty second, and she suggested whilst she wanted to look
at some tax settings in the here and now, there
could also be some phasing. So you know, I'm reading

(01:17:42):
into I'm reading into it a lot, but that could
suggest she might they might signal something at the budget
but only implement it in the future, because of course,
you know, the books are not in good shape and
they'll be cognizant that if they're providing any tax breaks,
then you know, will that actually generate enough economic growth
and then enough additional tax revenue to not put the

(01:18:04):
books further in the read.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
And it's how quickly that can happen too, isn't it? Jenay,
thank you very much for that excellent reporting. Jane chip Strainey,
who's with us in New Zealand Herald Wellington Business Editor.
I reckon what they will do. Here's my money, here's
my line in the stand. I reckon they will go
with faster depreciation on manufacturing technology because it's it's growth,
it's higher paying jobs and its wealth creation. Twenty two

(01:18:28):
after six News Talk ZB where with Milford.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Next approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan
Bridge with the Business Hour and Mass Insurance and investments.
Grew your wealth, Protect your future newstalks EDB six.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
T four News Talks ZB. So we've got US companies
reporting their results. Last week we've got covered Microsoft, we
covered Meta. Since then, we've had both Apple and Google.
Stephanie Bachelor from Milford Asset Management is with me. Hey, Stephanie, Hi,
Ryan steph Starting with Google, China has started an anti
trust investigation. Tell us, what is that about? What's going on?

Speaker 25 (01:19:04):
Yeah, so last night China retaliated to Trump's tariffs by
saying that they would put levies on some US goods,
but they also announced that they would investigate Google for
alleged anti trust violations. Now, Google doesn't operate any search
services in China. They pulled out back in twenty ten
that Chinese companies like Timu and she And for example,

(01:19:25):
they do advertise on Google to access international consumers. And
Google also provides its Android operating system to Chinese smartphone makers.
So there hasn't actually been any detail on what exactly
they're going to investigate. So at this stage, it's still
a little bit of a wait and see.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Okay. At the same time, we've had the Google's results
reported and we've seen a sell off what seven percent down?

Speaker 25 (01:19:48):
Yeah, lots lots going on, so shares that they're down
about seven percent post the result, and it was due
to a couple of things. The advertising revenue actually came
in better than expected, so there was a very strong
retail holiday season, but the cloud revenue was slower, grew
slower than the market expected, and that's a little bit
of a concern because at the same time, they're continuing

(01:20:11):
to invest more and more in building out that cloud infrastructure.
So the market was thinking that they might spend somewhere
in the realm of sixty billion dollars next year on
this cloud capex, and the company said it would be
more like seventy five billion, So investors are a little
bit worried as to whether they'll actually be able to
generate a decent return on that investment.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Interesting, what about Apple? They've come back with results.

Speaker 25 (01:20:34):
Right, Yeah, So they reported end of last week, and
the expectations for Apple had actually fallen going into the results,
so it actually met that low that lowered bar, but
it was a little bit underwhelming and shares were down
kind of half percent. So iPhone sales were sluggish. China
sales was still very weak. But the CEO talked up

(01:20:56):
a lot its new AI system called Apple Intelligence, which
they think has a lot of potential going forward. But
I think that the market is still a little bit
skeptical on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
How's Apple faring given Trump's tariffs on China? How's that
affecting Apple? Because a lot of their stuff that they
put in their phones comes from China.

Speaker 25 (01:21:17):
Right, Yeah, that's right. So about ninety percent of iPhones
are assembled in China, so any phones going from China
into the US would then be subject to the new
ten percent tariffs. And so when that news on the
tariff came out, shares fell three and a half percent.
But interestingly, the last time Trump put tariffs on China,

(01:21:39):
he actually gave Apple an exemption because he didn't want
to risk moving market share away from US Apple to Samsung,
which is a South Korean company, And in exchange for that,
Apple committed to manufacturing the mac Pro domestically in the US.
So it'll be interesting to see if something similar happens
this time. But still days on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
All right, Stephani, wait and see. Thank you very much
for that. Twenty eight minutes after six, that's Stephanie Bachelor
from Milford. You're on News Talk SEDB.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
Whether it's Macro, microbe or just playing economics. It's all
on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and players insurance
and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future Use talks B.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Twenty four minutes away from seven, you're on News Talk ZEBB.
We're going to get to London shortly, a UK correspondent
Gavin Gray is standing by Lots to talk about with him.
Trump's pulling out of agreements, multinational agreements quicker than a
rat upper drain pipe, left right and center. Paris gone,
the World Health Organization gone, USA all in limbo An

(01:23:01):
No staying out of it because Biden already got out
the first time. The Human Rights Council staying out of
it because Biden got out there after what happened in Gaza.
Now today UNESCO. I've always had a bit of a
soft warm feeling towards UNESCO, just because they do the
UNESCO World Heritage Sites and they're beautiful places to see.
The funding for UNESCO from America is now under review,

(01:23:24):
and the funding for the United Nations more generally now
under review. I'm just hoping, and I saw an article
today that he doesn't start looking at the Five Eyes
network because we know we're near two percent of GDP
on defense. Are we twenty three away from seven Bridge
Rich good news this evening if you don't want to
sit in a packed airport lounge, air New Zealand is

(01:23:46):
looking at a new luxury lounge for elite flyers. They're
being tight lipped about the idea. It was floated apparently
at an invested day presentation and if it looks anything
like what Quantus offers could include restaurants style dining and
three massages, wouldn't that be nice? Aviation commentator Irene King
is with me, Irene, good evening.

Speaker 25 (01:24:06):
Good evening.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
So a lounge is a lounge is a lounge, but
some are beautiful and some are crowded? Is here in
New Zealand's lounges two crowded? Now?

Speaker 19 (01:24:17):
I think?

Speaker 12 (01:24:17):
So?

Speaker 25 (01:24:18):
I mean that's reality. I think you know, for the
volumes that are going through them, use how much?

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
How much extra do you charge to put on a
fancy lounge? And if you can, you do you just
do one at one airport? Or do you is there
any an expectation that you would have one everywhere?

Speaker 25 (01:24:35):
Look, I've seen this concept floated about four or five times,
and I've seen it as executed once here in New Zealand.
So I think in per degree they're just flying a kite.
But when they did execute it, it was so exclusive
that hardly anyone knew where it was. I didn't saw it.

(01:24:59):
I knew it gifted and it was just intended to
be for the very high ball high, you know, high
worse travelers. So most people were excluded and most people
ended up in the normal lounge, and so the normal
lounge became very crowded. This particular lounge that they did

(01:25:27):
put in place lasted from remby about two years. And
that's because it's just not the demand here in New
Zealand for that level of exclusivity.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Right, how much would it cost?

Speaker 25 (01:25:41):
Very expensive?

Speaker 6 (01:25:42):
How much would it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Cost you to put it on? Because you've got to
staff it all the time too, don't you.

Speaker 25 (01:25:46):
Oh? Absolutely, And you know you're competing with Emirates which
already has a high end lounge in Auckland and you
know anything and just can offer the first class service.
You know, they just don't compete with the like savem
rates and so the patronage is very low. The cost

(01:26:11):
were very high. You know, you do anything at Auckland
Airport and the costume now in the league and like
I say, it only lasted about two years because the
demand just.

Speaker 18 (01:26:22):
He wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Interesting, Irene, thanks for that. Irene King Aviation commentated with
us time just gone twenty one minutes away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
On Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
So Donald Trump, as I said, pulling out of everything, left,
right and center, and today we had China heading back
over the terraff So what's happened here is quite interesting.
China's hit back at this stage it is just a threat,
so you'll see all the headlines saying Beijing is fighting
back and they're saving tariffs at this stage. They won't
come into force until the tenth of February, so we

(01:26:55):
still have a good five days up our sleeve for
these two to slog it out and try and come
up with a resolution, which I think is the point, right.
You come up with your strong position and retaliation, and
then you get on the phone and you start talking.
There is a cool schedule between Washington and Beijing for
later this week. It is hoped they can come to
some resolution. Then at the moment, what they're proposing is

(01:27:18):
pretty meek when you consider what the Yanks have thrown
at them. Fifteen percent tariff on coal and liquefied natural gas,
ten percent tariff on crude oil, agricultural machinery, and large
engine cars. So the Yanks have gone with a ten
percent across the board, and China's come back with a
fifteen or ten percent on selected items. Nineteen away from
seven News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
ZB, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business
Hour with Ryan Bridge and plans insurance and investments, Grew
Your Wealth, Protect Your Future Newstalks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
EDB seventeen away from seven on News Talk ZB. Gavin
Gray's are UK correspondents with us this evening. Hi Gavin, Hi,
there are great to have you on. Let's talk about
this situation in Sweden after the shooting. Did told the
is rising? What led to this? Do we know?

Speaker 13 (01:28:09):
No, we don't so. At the moment, eleven have died.
Plenty more sadly are in hospital. We believe a couple
of them are critical. We don't know the motive. The
perpetrator is dead. The police say they think he acted alone.
They have no idea for the motive, as I said,
and they said he was not known to them beforehand.
So investigations continue at various addresses. It's thought they've gone

(01:28:33):
into addresses linked to the perpetrator in Orabro, which is
roughly two hundred kilometers west of Stockholm, the capitol. But
the police saying that officers had been shot at and
that was according to one report, police saying no officers
had not been shot at. Did the perpetrator kill himself
or was he killed? All these things still up in

(01:28:54):
the air. The one thing that we learn though, is
although it has been called a school, the Centrist for
students over the age of twenty, and it offers school
courses as well as Swedish classes for immigrants. Now, I
don't want to immediately jump to conclusions here, but we've
seen things similar in other parts of Europe. I don't
know if that's the case here. They also do vocational

(01:29:15):
training and programs for people with intellectual disability, so it's
a wide ranging educational establishment and the police working on
that motive.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Okay, interesting Kevin Centerini beautiful place, the Greek carl and
we all know, we all love it. But there hasn't
been a big earthquake there year, and yet people are
being evacuated. Are they still evacuating now? What's going on?

Speaker 9 (01:29:37):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (01:29:37):
They are, and that is because although there's not been
one big earthquake, there have been three hundred earthquakes in
one forty eight hour period run and that's why locals
are absolutely terrified. Frankly, six thousand people have left the
ferry By Island. A couple of thousand more it's thought
have flown by plane. So roughly ten thousand residents, it's

(01:30:00):
been estimated, have left this relatively small island, and you know,
just that fear of what next. Santorini is a small
island population just fifteen thousand, so it really is emptied
out because of the fears of this. Of course, it
does welcome millions of tourists every year, but it is
on this what's called the Hellenic Volcanic Arc, a chain

(01:30:21):
of islands created by volcanoes. The last major eruption their
nineteen fifties. But huge concern about the frequency of these earthquakes,
and while as I said, none have been damage causing,
there are certainly concerns that they seem to be getting
stronger and if anything, more frequent.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Kevin, have you done your text return?

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
You?

Speaker 18 (01:30:43):
Ah? I have?

Speaker 13 (01:30:44):
Do I get a big tick in the box and
a gold star? I am, however, among the majority, but
you would be amazed Ryan, how many people have failed.
One point one million people have missed the deadline for
filing their annual tax returns here in the UK. What
does that mean, Well, it means they'll automatically get a
two hundred and twenty New Zealand dollar fine for missing

(01:31:06):
the cutoff period unless they can provide a valid excuse
for failing to file like in hospital et cetera, et cetera.
But amazingly thirty one thousand left it to the final
hour before the deadline. Eleven point five million did complete
it all on time. But this could be a big
money generator for the government here with these people missing
the deadlines. It's amazing. I think it's just at an

(01:31:29):
unfortunate time of year having to get it in before
the thirty first of January. These figures out now about
who's missed it, but certainly the charges and the fines
can be pretty big, so something you can't write off
against a future tax return either.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Gevin, thank you for that. Great to have you on
as always. Givin Gray, a UK correspondent thirteen minutes away
from seven on News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
It being Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Now I suppoke to you actually before I get to this,
a lots of your ticks on the Cardu club Ryan,
I'm with you on the Kodoo club charges. You need
to go at least three date night. Oh what is
this saying that's at least three date nights for the
cost of a kudo, which is about eight hundred dollars
a year. He said, that's at least three date nights

(01:32:14):
and if you only fly once or twice a year,
it's not worth it. It's not being tight. It's been smart,
says Muzzies. I agree with you, Ryan. I was an
elite member of Kodoo Club years ago, and I don't
see how elite people would have the time to lounge
around as I didn't. Ah Well, I love that one.
Gary says, if you kept the lounge for only business

(01:32:37):
and first class passengers, they wouldn't be that busy, and
then there's no need to build a new one. The
Kardoo Lounge is for anyone that pays a fee. Wrong, Gary,
that's interesting. You're basically saying kick the plebs out, aren't you.
That's that's the long and short of what you're saying.
Because if you can just buy an ordinary ticket, in fact,
you can do a save a fair and all you

(01:32:58):
have to do is pay eight hundred dollars a year
and you get into the lone. Honestly, this what's wrong
with the airport. If you only fly once or twice
a year and you know, and you're not doing lots
of long haul and you're just going down to I
don't know, to topor or you're going to Wellington or
Queenstown or whatever. What's the harmon sitting in one of
our airports for an hour. It's not. It's not like

(01:33:21):
you know, Mumbai, is it. It's not, it's not. It's
pretty clean, it's pretty sanitary. Everything's all right. I actually,
I just don't see the problem. Eleven minutes away from seven, News.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Talks ebb Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Yes, it is still eleven minutes away from seven. We'll
be back in just a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
It's the heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZBB.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Eight away from seven on News Talk ZBB. Just before
we come up to the top of the air, I
thought I mentioned Jesse Eisenberg. Do you know who he is?
He played Mark Zuckerberg and the Social Network, that movie
about Facebook. He has come out today and I just
I don't know why I've been getting really annoyed by
musicians and actors recently, but I just have it's just

(01:34:13):
a sort of visceral reaction that I'm having. Maybe it's
because it's a word season. So we're hearing a lot
from them. But he's come out and he said, because
Mark Zuckerberg has dropped the fact checkers on Facebook and
gone a little bit trumpy, this actor, Jesse Eisenberg, has
come out and said I don't want to be associated
with somebody like that anymore. He said, this guy, as

(01:34:34):
in Zuckerberg, is doing things that are problematic. Dude, you're
an actor. Your job, like your job, is to try
and portray somebody. It doesn't mean you endorse them. What
about people who play Hitler? I mean, do they have
to you know what I mean? Do they have to
come out and do an interview and say I'd like
to distance myself from Hitler. No, you're acting. We understand that. Anyway.

(01:34:59):
This is what had to say to a magazine in
the last couple of days. Oh actually sorry, now this
is him from the movie The Social Network of Tribute.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
You have part of my attention, You have the minimum amount.

Speaker 5 (01:35:13):
The rest of my attention is back at the offices
of Facebook, where my colleagues and I are doing things
that no one in this room, including and especially your clients,
are Intellectually, you're creatively capable of doing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
So there you go. If you remember the movie, it
was actually quite good. But I just think if okay,
fair enough, if you're going to make a comment like that,
you're going to make a stand like that, Are you
going to give your appearance fee to charity or something?
You know, if you really don't want to be associated
with the movie, of course you're not. Man. A lot
of people have got a lot of opinions on Corero Lounge,
don't they. I'm surprised how many people actually go there, kuld.

(01:35:45):
It is a waste of time, no preferential treatment and
rubbish food. Spend the eight hundred dollars on a nice
meal when you get to your destination, says Matt. And
now this is unless you're traveling internationally. You don't have
time for the corow lounge. And she want to waste
time in that round it's small and classless. Jeez, you

(01:36:08):
don't hold back, do you? Just coming up to six
minutes away from seven, I'm going to enjoy my white
time your day tomorrow. I can tull you that much.
I hope you do too. And what are we going
out to? This evening?

Speaker 26 (01:36:18):
Smile by Lily Ellen to play us out and it's
not a happy one. Unfortunately. According to People magazine, Lily
Allen has separated from David Harbor. They've been married for
four years. David Harbor is the one. If you ever
watched Stranger Things, he's the sheriff, at least in the
first season. I'm not caught up on the whole thing,
but yeah, apparently they've been married for four years. But

(01:36:39):
People magazine reports that they have separated, and Lily Allen
has been talking recently in interviews and stuff about how
she's not in the good place lately and how she's spiraling.
So suddenly it looks like that's taken a toll on
her relationship. But there you go, Lily Allen, smile to
play us out night. That's a nice, cheery well listen
to a public holiday, isn't that that?

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
Happy note? Thank you, Thanks for all of your feedback
in your techs and your emails. Just speak everyone. We'll
see you again on Monday.

Speaker 6 (01:37:05):
Alone.

Speaker 27 (01:37:06):
It's sunny because you're feeling alone.

Speaker 6 (01:37:11):
I see you cry.

Speaker 11 (01:37:15):
It makes me smile, Yeah, it makes me smile.

Speaker 27 (01:37:21):
Help, yes, but then I just start, I know I
had and smile. Whenever you see me, you say that
you want me Bay, and I tell you it don't
mean Dige, No, it don't.

Speaker 10 (01:37:38):
Mean that.

Speaker 11 (01:37:41):
I could stop laughing.

Speaker 27 (01:37:42):
No, I just couldn't help myself. I see you missed
up my mental health.

Speaker 12 (01:37:47):
I was my own well.

Speaker 27 (01:37:51):
Oh so lost bat Man. But with a little help
from my friends, I found a light in the tune
at the end. Now you're calling me up on the
phone so you can have a little line. And it's
funny because you're feeling in a love.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
You see your car.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
It makes me smile.

Speaker 11 (01:38:18):
Yeah, it makes me smile.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Stop being a bad but is that?

Speaker 27 (01:38:25):
But then I just start and the way SI.

Speaker 24 (01:38:43):
See you Cary.

Speaker 27 (01:38:46):
Makes me smile, like say, it makes me smile, stop
being bad?

Speaker 11 (01:38:53):
But that I love.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
But then I just start.

Speaker 24 (01:38:58):
A father.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Ryan Bridge on
Hither Duplicity Allen Drive with One New Zealand Let's get
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