Full Show Podcast: 05 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Dupless on Drive with One New
Zealand Let's get connected news talks they'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Afternoon coming up on the show today, great news. We've
got the free trade negotiations with the India starting this week.
Will speak to the Trade minister, the Police minister will
tell us why he wants longer sentences to reduce recidivism,
and the Finance Minister Nichola Willis as the.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Usual art for six Heather Dupliclan look.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
After Albow's massive went across the Ditch on Saturday. I
can see a lot of commentators attempted to blame this
on trump Ism in the same way that they blame
the election Canadian election upset on trump Ism. But I'm
not convinced that they're right, at least not in the
way that they think they are. So what these commentators
are saying is that Trump has given Canadian and Australians
the ick so badly that they are voting against anything

(00:56):
that looks like Donald Trump, whether it's Dutton in Australia,
or Polyiev Canada, or just right wingism in general. People
hate Trump so much anything that even resembles him gets
the big no. Now, I don't think that is what's happened.
That's what's happened here, because have a look at what's
happening in New Zealand. At the moment. The two parties
in our parliamentary system that would probably share the greatest

(01:16):
number of policy positions with Donald Trump and New Zealand
First and Act, and both of these parties are polling
much higher than they historically have, like considerably higher than
they historically have. Also, those commentators seem to be conveniently
forgetting what just happened in the UK on Friday night,
which is that the Reform part of the party absolutely
swept the local elections in a shock result. Now Reform

(01:38):
is led by Nigel Faraj, and I think it's probably
the closest thing to Trump in the English speaking world.
So as much as the left would like to believe
that what happened in Australia and Canada is a Trump
eck factor that they can pin on the rest of
the right, I don't think it is. I think what's
happened is the same thing that happened during COVID, which
is that we've just seen some safe voting take place.

(01:58):
I think Trump and his tariff talk on the possibility
of a massive global slowdown has freaked out voters in
a similar way to how COVID freaked people out. And
when people freak out, it favors the incumbent because it's
better the devil, you know, right when it comes to
protecting you. And that's why the Canadians returned their incumbent government.
It is why the Australians returned their incumbent government. Now

(02:20):
the same doesn't apply to the UK, where reform did
really well because that was a local body election system,
which is about rubbish and roads. It's not central government,
which is about tariffs and healthcare. So I suspect that
we shouldn't over egg how much voters hate Trump as
much as understand how much he might be frightening them.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Heather Due for see Alt.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Nine two nine and two. Keen to get your text
on that standard techs fees apply as well. Now we've
got some new stats that just show show just how
badly underreported retail crime is. There's a new report by
Retail New Zealand. They surveyed about fifteen hundred shop owners
and ninety nine percent of those who were surveyed had
experienced some form of crime, which total about one hundred

(02:59):
and forty thousand incidents in twenty twenty four alone, and
about forty percent of these crimes weren't even reported to
the police. Now, Ruben Sharples is the owner of the
Ossie Butcher in Newlyn and is with us. Now, hey, Ruben, hey,
you going very well. Thank you. Have you done the
same thing. Have you had some crime happen and not
gone to the cops with it.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Yeah, it's for a lot of the sort of the
general sort of shoplifting. It's like sometimes you see them,
we can't catch them, and I have reported it in
the past, but if it's a small amount, like a
smaller dollar figure, if like at least that's under one
hundred dollars or something, by the time I sort of

(03:39):
spend my time trying to download all the images and
send them through. It's and the police are just they
do attend like we've got a very good local group
in Newlyn, but it's it seems that the whole the
greater the greater justice system doesn't really they do their job,
and then it seems that they get a slap on

(04:01):
the hand, and nothing really happens, but probably nine times
out of ten it doesn't get reported.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
And is it the case that every time you report
something you have to provide the evidence for it, like
you have to go and find the CCTV right, Well, yeah,
so it's a huge amount. It's like a huge effort
on your part.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah, and it's yeah, like it is quite tiresome. I
mean the websites that you have you can upload if
I've got time, I usually will upload it. On that
kind of side of things. I can't remember the website
at the moment, and it's pretty easy to do. So
that's been made easier in the later of years.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Ruben, what's the value? Like, what would it what would
it take? How much would someone have to nick for
you to feel like it was worth going to the police?

Speaker 4 (04:48):
I mean, we've had some pretty big ones in the
past which I have gone and they have been caught
and justice has been served.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
I know that.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Like we somebody that a few years ago saw a
lot of exlam of us with their break ins where
I stole thousands Christmas time, we had four thousand turkeys stolen.
How that got that got reported? We had a container
out front, and they were They spent probably fifteen minutes

(05:19):
eventually got him and then yeah, and stole half in
our Christmas turkeys, which was which was kind of that
got reported. But I mean they're not silly. They don't
rock up with a sign saying their names Reuben Sharples.
They all bello, clubbed and gloved and every so there's
no fingerprints and they in the cops came down, forensics

(05:39):
came down very quickly when I reported that, but nothing
as it was available.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Ruben, How how are you finding crime at the moment?
Has it come back slightly? Is it as bad as
it ever was?

Speaker 6 (05:53):
Where?

Speaker 4 (05:53):
I think it's opportunists. I think if people see that,
so we'll make sure we've got a couple of shopices
in the shop. If you see someone that sort of
you know in summer and they come in with a
great big puff of jackets and a bag at the
front with it unzipped and sort of go out in
the shop and you did it wall to send out,
so there's quite a few staff out so they don't

(06:15):
sort of get the opportunity. I think that's a big
I think it's expensive, like we all know how expensive
groceries they've got over the last few years, and I
think that's I think that's.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
A big issue.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
We had one that we had quite a comical one
the other day or other week. They came in and
had a wig on and a hat on, and someone
just turned their corner and they managed to just bolt
and lit. My guys gave chase, but this person was
faster than the same bolt through the wig off, through
the hat off, and yeah, but that was that was

(06:54):
probably only thirty dollars.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
What do they that? What is it? What are people
wigging and hatting up for? What do they need?

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Well, they're you need to packet the lamb chops and
some mints. So so when you sort of see it
like that, that's I don't think that's to on sell
to be like comes in and taking it's hungry. If
someone comes in and they're taking if lips and things
like that, whether they're selling it to get money to
buy other you know, whether it's food or whether it's

(07:22):
to buy drugs. I'm not saying, but it's you can
sort of you can sort of pick the difference. The
ones that just takes small amounts. It's because they obviously
don't have any money or you know.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, that's great. Hey, Rubin, I really appreciate your time. Man,
thanks very much. It's Rubin Sharpele's the owner of the
Aussie Butcher and Newland. I mean, I tell you what
if it's if crime is all that's being reported, it
just tells you how much worse it is and you
think and it's quarter past.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's the Heather Dup see allan Drive full show podcast
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Speaker 3 (07:56):
That'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I'm a shop owner and I don't bother reporting retail
crime after receiving a letter from Auckland Heart to the
city approximately six years ago saying police will no longer
attend shoplifting events report only. So it's a waste of
time reporting for no reason. Yea, I suspect there's a
part of that going on there. Eighteen past foward Jason
Pine sports talk hosters with US Piney come in Piney.

(08:18):
Are you there, Heather? I'm here there, Yes. How could
we even have doubted the Warriors against the Cowboys?

Speaker 7 (08:24):
Look at that ships? Doubt doubt it? What do we
say to each other on Friday? I can't remember. It
seems so long ago, did we bet that.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
I came in with it a snark. I was like, oh,
surely they're going to win, you know, if it's just
like a there was doubt in my voice.

Speaker 7 (08:36):
Yeah, well, I mean it was unfounded because they got
over there. They were subjecting us to a couple of
nervous moments at the end. The Cowboys got back to
thirty twenty six and then had a try supposedly in
the corner, but Luke Metcalf had done a brilliant job
of getting the triscorers foot de touched just before he
touched it down. So thirty twenty six. Look, Heather, you
know it's the best ever eight game starts to a

(08:59):
Warrior's season, six ones, two defeats. You know, maybe we
need to see a slightly larger body of work, maybe
halfway through the season we can make a more informed
assessment of how they'll go. But it's a pretty good start,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, it's not bad at all. I mean again, I
feel like I'm asking the same question of you today
as I did when they were having a massive slump
at the end of last year. But why what is
it that what makes them perform so brilliantly at the
start of this year and so poorly at the end
of last year.

Speaker 7 (09:28):
What a great question, What a great question, I reckon.
If you asked Andrew Webster, ask James Fisher Harris, to
ask any of the players, they'd probably struggle to come
up with a decent answer.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
For you.

Speaker 7 (09:36):
It just seems to be an indefinable thing. Look, they're
missing a couple of players, James Fisher Harris for starters.
No Roger two Vasa Seck, no Dellan, Why Tennis Alesniak
Rocoberry went off injured the other night. Next man up
seems to work for them. Look, maybe it is undefinable.
Maybe it's just a wave that you have to ride,
and while you're riding it, keep on riding.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
That happened last year. I remember when they were down
to like second or third guy that they would call
into a position, certain to the cucking positions, only they
were playing amazingly. Well. It seems to be a little
bit of a pattern, there isn't it.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (10:08):
And then when they you know, and I don't suggest
that this is the reason, but when they brought some
of the so called first you know, first choices back
in didn't quite go so well. So look, it's a
balancing act. There's always going to be injuries in rugby league.
But yeah, let's enjoy it while we can. Are the
next at home at the back end of May against
the Raiders, that'll be a massive game.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah hey, now listen, why do you think that super
Rugby needs to bring back the super Round?

Speaker 7 (10:29):
Because I looked at the Magic Round for the NRL.
I thought that is magnificent. You know, all of those
people they're watching sixteen of the seventeen teams, I reckon
super Around. They hear me out, heither should be played
in Fiji. That's where you should have super round.

Speaker 8 (10:44):
You know.

Speaker 7 (10:44):
You look at the Fiji and drew a fans to
turn up and just occupy every shred of space around
Latoka or souver or wherever they play. Imagine that across
the weekend. Look, I know what everyone's saying, Oh yeah,
hang on, yeah, but yeah, but yeah, but yeah, but
let's start with the concept and work from there. I
know there aren't probably the infrastructure around hotels and travel

(11:05):
and recovery and rehab and that sort of thing in
the ground we wouldn't hold up. But I still think
I still think it's worth examining. And if not there,
then somewhere, Heather, get the teams together to make a
festival argument.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Sucks. You just told me why it shouldn't happen in
Fiji and then you're like, well, if it doesn't happen
happen there, it needs to happen somewhere.

Speaker 7 (11:24):
I was playing the part of the naysayers when I
was saying that, Look, I love that Fiji.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Seriously, if you took it to Fiji, could you maximize
your dollar because that needs to be super Rugby. I mean,
this is what Rugby needs to seriously start bringing the
dollars in. So if Fiji is a place that's just
going to turn a massive buck for them bowlmans, go
for it. But if it isn't, then they need to
take it somewhere where it's going to make.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
A lot of Wait, but what dollars are we talking
about here? We already get the broadcast dollars, we already
get the sponsorship dollars, dollars, ticket the ticket revenue. So
give it to the Fiji and drewer or most of
it to them, and give you know, the other teams
that go up there a portion of it. I mean
to the Blues and the Chiefs really need to take
ticket revenue from the Fiji and drawer that don't when
they got up there for a regular season day.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Aren't there. But isn't everybody in rugby just a bit
stuffed when it comes to their finances?

Speaker 7 (12:08):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yes, Piney, honest, So you evern't know they're not? Okay,
I'll go, I'll go find the facts. I'll come back.
Are you sure well?

Speaker 7 (12:16):
Are you sure that they're on the look? Maybe? Down
at provincial level there are some unions who are having a.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Bit of a struggles.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
That's Wellington Rugby here. They're different from the Hurricanes. That's
Wellington Rugby. All the Super Rugby franchises, franchises I think
are doing very well through their broadcast revenue from New
Zealand Rugby, through sponsorship, I think they're doing okay.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Hold on, I'm pretty sure that I read not long
ago that the Hurricanes were having a real problem with
their finances. Leave it with me. I'm going to google
furiously in the break and I'm going to send it
to you on email. Okay, Piney, I'll look forward to it.
You're just so excited. Thank you Piney as always, Jason
Pine sports talk host back at seven o'clock listen, just
really good, I am. I'm going to have to really

(12:59):
putting my money my mouth is right now. I'm going
to have to google the hell out of that computer
in a second, now, just very quickly. I don't know
if you remember at the last end of last week Friday,
but there was the announcement that the ban was coming
on farms being turned into forestry and that they would
have the legislation through by the end of the year
and stuff. We got the timeline last year couldn't come
soon enough, because we've just had news today that two

(13:20):
more farms in central Hawks Bay have just been sold
to overseas buyers who are going to turn them into forests.
So eight hundred hectares in Omakere Temanuity Station and then
four hundred and eighty hectares and why pook Are our
off Middleton Road. And of course add that to the
one that we had just a few weeks ago, which
was about fifteen hundred hectares huge in Alsthorpe. So you know,

(13:41):
the three of them, I think we can see that's
a hell of a lot of trees. We probably don't
need to be doing that to our communities.

Speaker 9 (13:46):
Four twenty three Getting the facts, discarding the fluff.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected news dogs that'd.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Be I could happily report to you that I do,
and to know how to use the Google on the internets.
Hurricanes seek one million dollar injection from shareholders after seven
hundred thousand dollar loss in twenty twenty four. That is
from exactly about one month ago. Not only did they
have a seven hundred thousand dollar loss in twenty twenty four,
they also had a one point four million dollar deficit

(14:18):
in twenty twenty three. So that puts paid to that
stupid idea of taking any games to Ta Fiji, doesn't it,
Because clearly they need to keep all of the dollars
in New Zealand because they broke one of the looks
of things. Ummm listen, happy to report to you. So
I think I won that one again? Do I need
to rub this in? I won that one against Jason Pine,
didn't I? Twenty six past four Happy to report the

(14:39):
government is keck starting the trade negotiations with India so
we've got a delegation that has landed a New Delhi
and they're going to go for it. And Todd McLay
is going to be with us after five o'clock to
give us the details on that. Heather, no way can
you put Canada in the same boat as Australia regarding
their elections. The attack by Donald Trump threatening Canada and
wanting to make it the fifty first state tariffs on

(15:01):
the nation, and then the government's actions regarding Canada's nationalism
has taken them to victory and the election, which is
a very fair point. And also somebody else has made
the point it's not even the same kind of like
we're talking about. Do not get excited about if you're
on the left and you're like, that's right, yeah, left
wing victory next time, don't get too excited about it,
because not only is the X factor completely overegged, I think,

(15:22):
but as well as that, completely different voting systems in
these three countries. So I don't know that we'll see
the same thing repeating here. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand. Let's get connected. News talks end me. He said, Hi,
nice to meet your two Niogle does get up.

Speaker 10 (15:54):
Together.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
I know many of my friends who are in the
same boat. We've stopped attending the Super Rugby games, stop
buying the ten jerseys, even to stop following their games
on Sky. You know what, me too. I don't know
the last time. I don't watch Super Rugby games unless
I'm in the stand. I'm not gonna lie to you
in a corporate box. If somebody invites me and says
come along and I'll feed you and give you something

(16:16):
to drink, and you can stand inside and chat to
interesting people while the game is happening and you're not
even watching it, I'll be like, yep, I'm coming along.
I don't watch the game, don't sit outside and watch
the gap, don't watch rugby games when I'm at Eden Park.
How crazy is it? I go to Eden Park not
to watch rugby games. I do not watch rugby games
on the tally unless it involves a test. I'm not
interested in Super Rugby. I didn't. I did that last
year with my boycott, didn't miss anything, going to continue

(16:38):
it this year, So I'm in the same boat as
you will carry on like that. Listen, Erica might be
in trouble. You know, we like Erica, but Eric has
done something. Dumbe, the Prime Minister, is fronting the post
Cabinet press conference at the moment and was asked about
ministers using their personal emails to send and receive sensitive documents,
including budget budget documents. Have a listen.

Speaker 11 (16:57):
I'm comfortable with how often Erica Stanford is using her
personal email to conduct ministerial business.

Speaker 12 (17:04):
Well, again, my office has spoken with her. I understand
it's been very few occasions. What I'd say is that
she has had tech issues with printings. It's a good example.
I'm aware ministers in the previous government had the same
use of personal emails in the same way.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, so you're using the Gmail because you can't print.
Chris Luckson also said this happened on just a limited
number of occasions. One uses Mikey Sherman seems to have
a different story.

Speaker 11 (17:28):
One youth has two followers with hundreds of pages that
includes documents and emails that she has been sending and
receiving from her private email. Does that sound like very
limited instances?

Speaker 12 (17:39):
Well, again, as I said, I'm very relaxed about it.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
And again, what was the issue The Prime Minister says
Erica was having a printing issue.

Speaker 11 (17:47):
She also se sensitive budget documents ahead of them being
announced publicly to her Gmail account.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Is that appropriate?

Speaker 12 (17:54):
Well, again, I just say to you, there will be
moments under the Cabinet Manual where it's quite acceptable for
ministers to use the personal Well, it may well be
if it's printing purposes, if it's because there's technical reasons,
as I understand it. In her case, it's actually been
about printing challenges. She's actually made the changes in the
settings that she needed to.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, look, the hackers. What happens is when a hacker
hacks your Gmail account, which apparently is quite easy for
a hacker, they will hack everything else. But if it's
just because you want to print it, they'll leave it alone.
Twenty two away from five.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
It's the world wires on youth talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Now we've had a few bombshells from Donald Trump today.
He's going to put one hundred percent tariff on foreign
produced movies, and he wants to reopen Alcatraz Prison, and
he's not going to run for a third term.

Speaker 13 (18:38):
But it's something that, to the best of my knowledge,
you're not allowed to do.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I don't know if that's constitutional, that they're not allowing
you to do it or anything else.

Speaker 13 (18:46):
But there are many people selling the twenty twenty had hat.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
But this is not something I'm looking to do.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
I'm looking to have four great years and turn it
over to somebody.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yemmens whothies have hit an airport in Israel with them
missile strike. There were only minor injuries, but the Israel
Defense forces so they're unable to intercept the missile. Here's
Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netan yahoo.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
We will not tolerate it. We will take the very
strong action against them, and we always remember that they
act whether Petrin Iran's direction and support.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
And finally, the world's tallest dog has had a visit
from the world's smallest dog, so Pearl the Chuahwa is
only nine centimeters tall. That's about the size of an apple,
but she seemed to get on absolutely fine with Reggie,
who is a meter tall and a Great Dane and
so he's basically the size of a small horse. Reggie's
owner hosted the visit on his farm, in Idaho, and
he says Reggie was very careful to make sure he

(19:41):
didn't step.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
On Pearl International Correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace
of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Oli Peterson six pur Per Life presenter out of Australia
with us. Hey, Ali, get a head, what about Albert?
He will be feeling chucked today, won't.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
He ah beg chime?

Speaker 14 (19:57):
This is something that nobody saw coming, to be perfectly
honest with you, Heather, even though the poles were obviously
showing on the two party preferred question. It was sort
of a fifty three versus forty seven pole indication. Nobody
quite saw the blood bath which is now the Liberal Party,
which is completely cactus in this country. And the Prime

(20:18):
Minister is quite emotional to be perfectly honest and quite
proud and as he should be of himself and his
team that he wants to still lead for all Australian.
So today he's had a conversation, he says, with Donald Trump.
It was warm and friendly. He's already back in Canberra
getting back to work. But Heather, this is the roost
that he can rule for not only this term, but
probably another term after that. If he wants to do it, it's.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
Really his it's his way on the highway.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Now, what do you think doesn't did wrong?

Speaker 14 (20:45):
I think ultimately Peter Dutton was never sold properly to
the Australian people that he was always a person who
was the tough cop on the beat, always wore a suit,
you know, never was a personable to people. Despite the
fact that off there and I've interviewed Peter Darton a
heap of times, he's a really likable bloke as he's
Anthony Alberaneesi. They're probably two of the less politician politicians,

(21:07):
if that makes sense Heather when they're off air. But
what I think he did wrong is he stood for
nothing in the end, so he really isolated women voters
in Australia and women in general. That work from home policy,
which he said, all of a sudden, public servants come
back to work, you got to do it, and then
a few days later he said no, actually we're.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
Not going to do that anymore.

Speaker 14 (21:25):
So Peter Dutton was always a politician of conviction that
then showed that he didn't stand for that. His nuclear
power policy I think was also a fatal flaw because
there was no detail around it. He said, we're going
to bring in nuclear it's going to cost billions and
billions of dollars. But it was really off in the
never never, So the hard work of policy in opposition

(21:45):
was not done and he really became unstuck during the
election campaign, looking as though he wasn't prepared, as though
he was a one man band. And this is a
really really big existential crisis for the Liberal Party now, Heather,
because they just simply do not resonate with mainstream Australia
and there is a long way for the party to
come back from the wilderness which has really been almost

(22:06):
hijacked by the conservative side of the party. They need
to somehow find a way back to the center and
then somehow actually provide an alternative to the Labor Party,
which is doing very well in that center left.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Area on the political spectrum.

Speaker 14 (22:19):
So it's a fascinating result and something that our country
is going to grapple with, as I said, for at
least another two terms.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
Alberanesi slash Labor governments.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Fascinating stuff. Now, what's the problem with the Olympic stadium
in Brisbane that's supposed to be under construction.

Speaker 14 (22:33):
The green groups have just decided that the government doesn't
have any authority to claim the land and build the
Olympic stadiums. So this is the crucifilly government there in Queensland.
They've introduced new legislation to the Queensland Parliament to basically
get this thing built and they're not worried about really
the opposition to the.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Victoria Parks Stadium.

Speaker 14 (22:53):
By the way, I was in Brisbane on the weekend
for Magic Ground Up the wars Bloddies of City Brisbane,
and I think this is just going through what the
usual throws of, if you like, of a of a
concerned local group is for the environment. But they'll have
to jump over a few more hurdles, pardon the pun,
and hopefully they can get this in constructed.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
Twenty thirty two is not far away.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
No, I liked your hurdle thing, by the way. I'm
still thinking about.

Speaker 14 (23:16):
It because you'll be jumping hurdles there at the at
the Olympics.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
Heether.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, no, I know, I got it. I got it
immediately and then I was kind.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
Of really give me those corporate boxes. You and I
are together will have fun.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Do you still watch Super Rugby well.

Speaker 14 (23:27):
As I said, I went to rugby league on the weekend.
I've been to the Force a few times this year,
same thing, you know.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I mean, okay, rugby league is different to Super rugby though,
isn't it?

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Yeah it is. But isn't everybody on rugby league these days?

Speaker 15 (23:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (23:39):
That's right?

Speaker 2 (23:40):
So do you still watch a little bit of the Force.

Speaker 14 (23:42):
So the Force has been really good this year and
they're going to you know, probably miss out on the
finals again.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
Well, I'll go to the same as you.

Speaker 14 (23:49):
I will go to the game when it's in Perth,
but I won't sit down and watch it really and yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'll go to the game.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
I enjoy going to the game.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Why are you watching it? Because I probably prefer to
watch rugby league the mate. No, listen, I've got a
major problem with the pair of us and just talking
about this and without any shame at all, Ollie, thank you.
I really appreciated. Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Live presenter.
Here the why is this news? Come on? That's about Erica.
Why this is news is because Gmail is not actually

(24:17):
considered the safest thing. Okay, so listen to Erica is
not your school teacher emailing your crappy exam results to
her Gmail account and nobody cares about it. Erica is
a government minister. There is a reason why we as
the taxpayers, pay shed loads of money for the government
to have like uber super duper security settings like our

(24:39):
workplace here at ENZB. Like the crap that I have
to go through to get into my email account on
my phone drives me nuts. I have to see the
little number, I forget the little number, then it has
to look at my face. Oh, it just drives me crazy.
And I'm constantly resetting my password because they care so
much about the information that they are trying to protect, ensignme,
my employer, the stuff that we're sending to each other,

(25:00):
and all that stuff is important and confidential and protected.
Now imagine how much more more so it is for
a government minister sending sensitive budgetment budget documents and sharing
you know, private information and cabinet documents and stuff like that. Right,
So they have gone hell for leather on Erica's phone, right,

(25:21):
they have made it very very hard for Erica's stuff
to get hacked. Then Erica sends it to her Gmail account.
Now Gmail accounts are not safe, mate, Gmail accounts are
not encrypted end to end. If you want to do
stuff like it, you've got to do it on your WhatsApp,
which is encrypted end to end. That's why naughty people
send each other naughty information on WhatsApp. So it's a
rookie mistake and that's why it's news because Erica should

(25:44):
have known better.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
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Speaker 2 (25:50):
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Hello Jason, Hello, Hello, how are yew im?

Speaker 5 (25:56):
Well?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Thank you? How much troubles Erica in.

Speaker 16 (25:58):
Well, we'll have to remain see, there were questions from
tvN's a political editor, Mikey Sherman. So I would imagine
in about an hour and ten minutes time she'll have
some of the details. But you know, from what we
heard from the Prime Minister, and as I understand that
you played a clip before, he seemed quote pretty relaxed
about it, as he said a number of times. So
we'll have to see how damaging it is. Tomorrow we'll

(26:19):
be doing a lot. We've got the caucus run where
we talk to the likes of Erica and others, so
we'll see what Her response is but yeah, first blush
of it. It's probably a distraction that the Prime Minister
doesn't want.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
I mean, he's probably relaxed about it, Jason, because I
don't know the detail. We only know as much as
we've heard in the post cabinet press conference. But if
at this moment it's a theoretical problem, isn't it. She
sent some emails, but have they been hacked? Have they
been exploited? Probably not, And unless they have, it's just theoretical.

Speaker 16 (26:45):
Well, it comes down to the Cabinet Manual and it
technically says on a number of places that you can
only do various different things on government official devices, and
it does. And I think there will be a connection
made to Hillary Clinton back in twenty sixteen and the
email saga there, or there could be some connection made.
But yeah, well we'll have to see. The thing that
came out for me as I was listening to is

(27:07):
Lux and kept talking about how she couldn't get her
settings right, and I thought, good God.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
The Crown.

Speaker 16 (27:12):
Yeah, well she's a minister of the crown.

Speaker 5 (27:14):
She couldn't get the settings rightly?

Speaker 2 (27:16):
No, I can't get you. I don't know how to
do printing at work here and I've been in this
office for how long have I been here, Laura? Six
years now? I've been back for that long. Yeah, I
can't work the printers, can you.

Speaker 17 (27:26):
Well?

Speaker 16 (27:26):
I actually sat all the summer sat next to the
printer that you're is in the ZB office, and I
would say it is it can smell fear. If you
need something really quickly, it's not gonna premier for you.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
I think we all understand. We can understand what I
don't really understand how Gmail fixed her print a problem,
but we understand that fundamental problem. Hey, so we've got
some people in India right now to try and to
kick off the negotiations.

Speaker 16 (27:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's what the Prime Minister was talking about
a post cab today. It seemed to be the thrust
of what he was talking about, him and Todd McClay.
But the Prime Minister likes to call him Trade McLay,
which is very fitting him, and he is the Trade minister.
So there's somebody right now over in India, and there's
they've started to kick off these negotiations. But I'll tell
you what I mean, we all knew that was coming.

(28:08):
It's not really all that exciting. The exciting thing for
me is when the journalist started asking about these Trump
tariffs on movies produced in foreign land. You might have
seen this truth social post where he said, we want
more movies made in America again, which was news to me.
I thought they were all made in America, but clearly not.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Now Chris Luck Jason stopped talking right now, have you
not watched The Lord of the Rings?

Speaker 16 (28:31):
Wait, tell me more about The Lord of the Rings.
You know where that foreign concept? To me, there are
some movies media Well. Anyway, maybe my ignorance was a
little bit naive on that because obviously a big center
of the world is Bollywood. Now, when the Prime Minister
was over in India, he was really talking up New
Zealand's movie production sector.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Then he said this.

Speaker 12 (28:52):
Which I just think is truly world class. You know,
I've been advocating for it, and then dear for that
exact same reason, what would it take to get more
Bollywood productions here New Zealand.

Speaker 16 (29:00):
So clearly the Prime Minister wants to pivot to Bollywood
and get a few more Kiwi movies made for that market.

Speaker 12 (29:06):
I mean, they have made movies here in New Zealand
and the last twenty years or so, And my question
to them was what else would it take for you
to do more productions here in New Zealand.

Speaker 16 (29:15):
And as we see these Trump tariffs come into effect,
we're going to see a lot more of this, these
pivoting to other countries.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Tell me about this poll. I'm surprised that Pete that
that that a majority of us want to see man
and woman defined in legislation.

Speaker 16 (29:27):
Are you, oh, well, I honestly no, I'm not. I
thought that these numbers were about right. I mean, you
kind of get a skewed view of things if you
read various different people talking about it. But basically this
is a curier pole into Winston Peters's bill that wants
to define a woman as an adult human biological female.
So so it was Courier that it was Family First

(29:48):
that did this polling. Fifty two percent of us support
this bill, with twenty nine percent of us opposed and
nineteen percent on a sure.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
And obviously higher amongst you know, the governing parties who
lean to the right, and then not so much on
you know, in the opposition parties that lean to left.
But why I'm surprised, Jason's because I didn't think that
it would have had the cut through, that kind of
cut through to have fifty two percent wanting it.

Speaker 16 (30:09):
It was about well, I mean, you can't really get
away from a question like this. I mean, it's been reported,
it was repurported quite widely. I was overseas when it happened.
I was sunning myself on the beach and mold Beeves
and I was reading about this a bill that Winston
Peters has put into the ballot. So clearly I had
some sort of cut through if it's getting to me,
although I am a bit of a political tragic on
the other side of the world, but it's something that

(30:31):
a lot of people have been thinking about for some time. Clearly,
there were fifteen one hundred. A random selection of fifteen
thousand New Zealand phone numbers was used in this as
the sample section.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I'm told interesting, Thank you, Jason, appreciate it. Jason Wall's
news talks, it'd be political editor. Did you get the
humble brag? Jason's been traveling seven away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers. The mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 18 (30:54):
Time mistris in the studio. Twelve billion is a stunning
amount of money. It's over four years, I understand that,
and nine it's new and we don't have any of it.
So Nicola, in announcing one point three instead of two
point four as she did last week, must have found
a shedload of doughse somewhere in terms of savings.

Speaker 12 (31:11):
Well, I'm going to be the wrong answer that you're
not going to like it, but it is.

Speaker 18 (31:14):
I'm not going to talk about otherwise it just doesn't
add up.

Speaker 12 (31:16):
Well, I can tell you it does add up, and
it's within our fiscal buzz.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
It will all make sense. It will all make sense.

Speaker 12 (31:21):
And what you're going to see as a budget that
is actually saying Yep, we know we're in tough and
uncertain times, but we have turned the corner and actually
things are getting better.

Speaker 18 (31:29):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Maybe's Real Estate News Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Hither I would wager that it was sent to Erica's
Gmail and then printed at home, ergo solving the printer issue. Richard,
That's probably right because eric is probably not allowed to
log into her work emails from like, you know, just
an unsecure computer at home, so you have to send
it to your Gmail. Then you can log into your
Gmail from the computer at home and you could print
it there. That probably does explain it, Thank you for sir.

Speaker 19 (31:55):
It's kind of the reverse head of what the rest
of us through, where whenever we need to print it,
we rush into work and just print it out so we.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Don't have to get a print out.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
What was the last thing that you brought in from
home to printed work?

Speaker 19 (32:05):
Oh, the rules for a board game that I needed
to get off the internet.

Speaker 13 (32:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
No, I did it as well, and it was really
difficult when I was a maternity leave to do the printing.
So I'd send it to my husband from home. I'd
send it to him and be like, print that and break.

Speaker 19 (32:17):
Oh I just sent it to me here. I'm happy
to do that for her. Yeah, they clearly. Oh yeah,
good point.

Speaker 5 (32:22):
Nevermind.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Oh no, no, you've offered. Now I'm going to know. Hey,
by the way, that farewell for Adrian all sounded grimm
didn't it. Did you read about WHOA Last Thursday? Adrian
snuck around the terrace and popped into the reserve bank
for drinkies. They had sau it was alcohol free, which
immediately I would have been like oh, I'm busy that
day washing my hair, alcohol free sausage rolls, though, cookies, muffins,

(32:45):
hot beverages, juice and water. They were going to hold
it down at the Midai down the road, which feels
appropriate for Adrian because you know he's a workstone stuff
like that, and that could have the pippittier mad I
can hold three hundred and fifty people. But then they
decided to hold it at the office, which says to
me that three hundred and fifty people were not going
to turn which is why they held it at the office.
And frankly, what's the bet that whoever turned up looked
at the list of looked at what was available and went, oh,

(33:07):
got to go home. They would have emptied out really quickly. Anyway,
Finance ministers with us after six. We'll see if she
got an invitation. Next up, Tom McLay on the Indian negotiations.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yay, digging through the spin spin to find the real
story story. It's Heather Dupuy on Drive with One New Zealand.
Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Good afternoon. Some good news on the trade front. New
Zealand and India are starting the first round of negotiations
towards a free trade agreement this week Trade Minister Tom
mclay's with me. Now, Hey Todd, Hey, Heather Hope. I'm
very well. Thank you. Who have we sent to India?

Speaker 17 (33:48):
So a chief trade negotiator has gone out there, plus
a team with them as a good number of them.
So this is the first formal in person negotiations that
we're having. But there's been a lot of engagement online
and zooms and so on since the Prime Minister and
I announced that we were launching negotiations or what it's
just about a month ago.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
And how long do you expect this to take? How
long are the in person negotiations slated for?

Speaker 17 (34:13):
So they will run through this week, So it'll take
a week. There are many many meetings, and so we
take a good sized team out because we have experts
in many areas that they focus on from goods to
services to intellectual property and so on. They'll work through that.
This will be the first of what will be a
number of in person and negotiations. I would expect the

(34:34):
next one probably will be down in New Zealand, but
we decided to go up there. India's got quite a
few negotiations going on, so for scheduling, rather than waiting,
we thought I'd send my people up there so we
can get on with it.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Are they distracted by trying to strike a deal with
the US?

Speaker 3 (34:49):
They're not.

Speaker 17 (34:49):
I discussed this with my counterpart, Piers Goel, who's the
quot there of their trade minister. We talked a lot
about this before we launch. They have the capacity to
negotiate a number of deals at the same time as
we do. Actually, so you're right there and get that.
They negotiating with the US at the moment, with the
European Union, with the UK and others. Some of those
I understanding going on over the next week or two.

(35:11):
And that's why I thought to send our people up
rather than I'm either dragging them down here or missed
the opportunity to have the very first in person negotiation
at the beginning of this month.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Todd, I see. Donald Trump has announced on one of
his social media accounts that he plans to put one
hundred percent tariff on foreign movies, which, obviously, if he
was to do it would affect us because we make movies.

Speaker 15 (35:29):
Here.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Are we taking this seriously?

Speaker 17 (35:31):
Yeah, we are very seriously. Although as with lots of
sort of announcements that come via social media, We're gonna
have to wait and try and get a bit more
information or see what comes out. I mean, as an example,
if it's whole movies that are made overseas means one thing,
But what if you know just one segment or one
part or some of the technical stuff that's done overseas.
So we don't know yet, but I can say the

(35:54):
Prime Minister was I was with them earlier. You know,
the New Zealand film industry is exceptional. They do a
great job. A lot of the US film and listy
relies on some of the things that we do here
that you can't do another parts of the world. So
quite a long way to go before we have any clarity.
Just as an aside, I'll be meeting my counterpartner, the
United States Trade Representative of Ambassador Grere, in the end

(36:17):
of next week at the APEC meeting in Korea, and
it'll be my first chance in person to talk to
them directly about these things. I will be making the
case for how US movie's named. It may not be
anywhere there is enjoyable without some New Zealand content.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I like that Hey, thanks very much, Todd, best of
Like Tod McLay, Trade.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Minister Heather Dupercy Ellen commentators.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Of blaming Donald Trump for the recent election results in
Australia at the weekend and obviously in Canada as well.
Over the weekend, Ozzie Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi stormed to
a majority victory, apparently because his opponent Peter dusn't reminded
voters of Trump too much. Peter Dunn is a former
United Future leader and with US Now, Hey, Peter, do
you reckon it was the Trump effect?

Speaker 20 (36:58):
I think it was in large part, but I think
think there was something else going on in Australia particularly,
and I suspect in Canada as well. Alban Aze he
made a very pertinent point in his victory speech when
he said this was a victory for Australian values. And
I think that's a very sane and sensible comment. You know,
it's a reaction to the Trump stuff, but it's also
about He talked about Australia and what Australian needed and

(37:21):
what Australians wanted, and I think that's a very powerful
message in this uncertain time. It's similar to Luxton's comment
about you know, well, given uncertainty, people go for the
status quo between the two. That's the kernel of the
truth here, you know, talk about the real things, and
in that environment, people will opt for the thing they know,
the certainty and the stability, rather than the fear of

(37:42):
the unknown.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
So then therefore, would what do you think happens in
twenty twenty six, Let's say we'll find ourselves in the
same situation with Trump and the global uncertainty. Does it
favor the left because the rump, the Trump, you know,
the right reminds people too much of Trump? Or does
it favor the current government because they are the income events.

Speaker 20 (38:01):
I think it actually comes down to what both do.
On the face of the international experience from Canada and Australia,
would say it would favor the incumbent government. But then
because both were left wing governments, you might say, well
that's a balance the other way. I think it'll come
down to policies, and I think what the message arising
out of all of this, And again going back to
Albanizi's Australian values moniker that parties that sort of try

(38:26):
and import solutions or promote policies that are out of
step with the national mainstream and not what people are
seeking at the moment. So that's a challenge. You know,
in Australia it's been assumed that was done and in
the right and the Trump stuff, but it could equally
be the left. And I'm give you a very specific
local example Tory Faro and Wellington as mayor talk still

(38:47):
about being a transformational mayor that wasn't appreciated. That's the
point when you lose the public, you lose your credibility
and you lose your support and I think that's the
real message here. So for Labor and National it's about
their policy and their policies being credible and their policies
being in line with what the mainstream of New Zealand
voters want, and then it's a matter of choice from there.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Peter, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you
appreciate your time. As Peter Dunn. Former United Future leader.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Heather due Clan Mark Mitchell's.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Policemanister is going to be with us after the half
past news because he wants to get rid of shorter
prison sentences. Here. The how did TV and Z get
hold of those emails? From Erica Stanford if they joined
with the hacker, surely tvans it is jointly liable. Cheers
Mark here, the who told tales on Erica Stanford from Lindley.
I'd be really surprised if there was an actual hack.
I doubt that very much. I think probably a more

(39:36):
simple explanation is that, remember, Eric is sending the emails
from her work account, her government account to her Gmail account,
So it's probably you could just fire a little official
Information Act and requesting please provide all the emails that
Erica Stanford center herself, and there you go, bang, you
get the results, folders full of the stuff Heather. Erica

(39:57):
isn't a story because how does this affect the voter?
How does Eric using the Gmail affect my life? It's
an internal employment matter, and that's at TVs. It is
getting desperate with us. I would agree with that, will
I mean, if it's fascinating to just it's just fascinate.
It's interesting, that's the end of it. But nothing unless
something bad has happened and somebody's got a hold of
an email and they've used it in the wrong way.
Blah blah blah. It's theoretical isn't it. It's like, theoretically

(40:20):
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are talking about, which is the cost of a wedding
at the moment. And this is because according to one planner,
her wedding planner who's spoken to the media today, the
average wedding has apparently gone up to more than eighty
seven thousand dollars this year. That's up from sixty four

(41:46):
thousand dollars last year and fifty nine thousand dollars the
year before. Suzanne Carson is the owner and creative director
of Wedding Professionals based out of christ churchin Is. With
us now, Hey, Susanne, Hello Heather, eighty seven thousand, they
can reach that.

Speaker 21 (42:01):
We've gone up as high as one hundred and sixty
thousand for a thirty five person wedding, but that was international,
coming in from overseas.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Hold on, what are they paying for flights with that money? No,
they weren't.

Speaker 21 (42:16):
But it did involve many many social events related to
the wedding, and it was family only, so they went
all out to give them the experience. And I think
that's what it's all about these days.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Okay, is I mean, are you on the regular If
eighty seven thousand or thereabouts is average, are you on
the regular scene that as an average spent?

Speaker 13 (42:36):
No?

Speaker 21 (42:37):
I don't, actually, to be honest, I think that's quite exceptional.
I think today people are prioritizing other things rather than extravagance.
I think personalization is a great big thing. I think
they want the experience, and they want the experience for everybody.
So I do believe that the numbers have come down

(43:00):
from our guest numbers from what it used to be.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, I would have thought that in the current economic environment,
if people would be going small rather than large.

Speaker 21 (43:09):
I think you're quite right heither. Actually, that's that's the
trend that we're seeing down here.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah. And also listen, just in terms of you know,
if some wedding planners are seeing this kind of a spend,
is that because people are getting married later in life
and have a little bit more money, like you do
all your travel first, have your babies first, get the
house first, and then you go and get yourself married.
You've done the research. Yes, it's quite right, and the
lives around me.

Speaker 21 (43:33):
Yes, No, that's that's quite right. They are there even
having their overseas travel together after they've you know, after
they've been even engaged, and that they'll have a very
long engagement, yeah, and then decide that they'll come back
and then perhaps you know, they'll have babies and buy
a house and then they'll think of getting married. It's

(43:54):
not all cases, but some we've seen that trend coming
through for a while. Then you've got the officite, which
is the elopements. And that's probably a sad part about
the industry at the moment because I'm not sure what
the longevity of the satisfaction for anyone having an elopement

(44:17):
because they couldn't share it with their family.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, but then you also don't remember how your mum
got angry with you about a stupid thing, so it
cuts both ways. I'd say, Suzanne, thank you very much.
Suzanne Carson, wedding professional owner and creative director. This will
sting for the I wasn't talking about yes, I was talking,
of course, I was talking about personal experience. My mum
got really cross with me because I didn't do something
and I didn't think it was a big deal. And
what it was was I stuffed up the seating plan.

(44:41):
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Listen on Universities reckon why Cato University will be feeling
a bit sore today because the Tertiary Education Commission, which
is basically the university watchdog, has had a crack at
the government's plan to give Why Cuttle University this Metai school.
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(45:03):
with its money thus far, giving it the third medical
school would make it a financial high risk just because
of the scale of how much money we're talking about here,
scale of the project, scale of the investment and so on.
But then said of why Cuttle's overall academic performance, it
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(45:24):
Bikila willis who hands out that money to that place
if she wants to is going to be with us
after six five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth dogs.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
That'd be five twenty four. Hey, by the way, did
you watch the full Prince Harry interview on BBC. If
you haven't, don't. It is mind numbingly boring listening to
Harry and that interview is like listening to a conspiracy
theorist trying to explain to you this huge cover up
that they've found out. And they know that it's a
cover up because they found this one fact about the
fact that there's someone sitting on a subcommittee of a
committee in the person shouldn't be sitting on it. And

(46:01):
he never knew that someone was sitting on it because
no one wanted to admit it. But now he knows
that someone is sitting on it, and that proves the
whole conspiracy. But the problem with this is you're not
following because you're not listening because it's boring, and that
is ninety nine percent of what Harry's interview is, Like
I did it for you, I can tell you what's
going on here he's got a point. Okay, he's got
a point. He should probably have government supplied security because

(46:23):
he was working Royal and others who do public work
get a lifetime security if they need it. And the
thing is that they've chosen to do that work and
they still get the lifetime security. He didn't choose to
do the work. He was born into it, so surely
he qualifies for the security fair enough. And that, according
to him, is the point of the interview to convince
the public and Serkistama, the new UK Prime Minister, and

(46:45):
presumably his family, who he suspects of this conspiracy theory
that he needs to be given the security right. That
is the point of the interview. Except it's not going
to work, is it, Because that's not what everybody's talking
about today. No one's talking about his security. What they're
talking about is the fact that he said to the
BBC that the King's cancer diagnosis is terminal pretty much,
and the King hasn't said that, has he. He's been
carrying on like it's not terminal. So has Harry just

(47:07):
given up a family secret? Now? I don't know whether
Harry is just dumb, which he definitely is. By the way,
or if he's taking terrible advice, and maybe it's a
combo of the two, but either way, this feels like
the end to me. I think we can call this now.
I think this is the end. I don't know that
he will ever be back in the royal fold. There
was some hope that once the court case was over,
which was last week, then they could put this all

(47:29):
behind them, they could come together as a family, but unfortunately,
as soon as that court case was over, Harry went
back to doing what Harry does, which is giving interviews
about his family, which they hate. So you can only
assume that they're going to go back to doing what
they do too, which is leaving him out of it
and not welcoming him back in. And frankly, after watching
this happen again, can you blame anyone other than Harry?

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Heather dupis the allen here.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
The try having an Indian wedding easily easily. It costs
one hundred and fifty to three hundred thousand dollars because
each wedding is over three to five days. Here, the
people shouldn't be spending so much money on the wedding.
They should be saving it to pay for the divorce.
This is all very good, good intel. Yeah, Heather, I
had a barbecue wedding. It cost five hundred dollars and
I'm still married. Cheers. Do you know what I would

(48:11):
do is if your kids were getting planning to get married,
tell them to have babies first, because it's just you know,
what you're doing is you're finding out if you're going
to stick it together, aren't you? Because nobody irritates you
more than your spouse. When you've got a baby screaming
at three Ama, you really hate them. So then you're
gonna find out if you want to spend eighty seven
thousand dollars and get married to them, an't yeah? Headlines

(48:33):
next Forever Lost.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather due to see Ellen drive with one New Zealand.
Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Nicola Willas's going to be with us after six o'clock.
I tell you what I want to talk to Nichola
willis about you will have heard by now right that
the wild Root Wild Room. It's not that wild, is it.
The rumor is that she will be means testing the
key We saber contributions that the government gives you, right,
so you get your five hundred and blah blah whatever
dollars they chuck into your account for having like well, Dane,
you've got a key. We save her account bunk and

(49:19):
it goes. But it will only go in apparently, according
to Thomas Coglin, for people earning under one hundred and
eighty thousand dollars a year, which feels like, why that's
wildly too high for a means testing. Isn't it like
I'd bring it in lower if I was going to
means test anywhere. We'll ask her about that after six
Huddle is standing by right now. It's coming up twenty
four away from six.

Speaker 8 (49:37):
Now.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
The Corrections Heather Duplessy allen.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
The Corrections Minister wants to lock crooks up for longer.
Criminals that serve five years or more in jail are
generally less likely to offend, according to the stats. So
the Minister Mark Mitchell has asked Corrections to look at
whether those shorter sentences could be extended. And he's with
us now how much hey here, how are you? I'm well,
thanks mate? How would you do it?

Speaker 3 (49:56):
That's good?

Speaker 22 (49:57):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
That's why.

Speaker 22 (49:59):
It's exactly why I've asked corrections to go away and
have a look at it. But but yes, you are right.
Is that when you look at it, longer sentences mean
that normally the people commit to their rehabilitation, better engage
in more rehabilitation, and are therefore less risks to the
community when they come out.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
I mean, you'd have to do it at the sentencing part,
wouldn't you.

Speaker 22 (50:21):
Well, I'm looking at it purely from the correction side
of it, because obviously we deliver rehabilitation now. So there's
a couple of things that we did when we came
into government. We made sure that prison is on remand
who who don't get access to rehabilitation can get access
to rehabilitation.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Now we change the law around that.

Speaker 22 (50:40):
You know, we're constantly looking at the programs that do
work that don't work, giving people realized skills, genuine realized
skills that actually will help them when they do come
out of prison. But a part of that work too
is just seeing, you know, how effective short sentences are
and what the options are for us inside corrections.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
But what okay, so, what say does corrections have over
how long a prisoner spends in prison.

Speaker 22 (51:03):
Well, Corrections doesn't have any say on that because other
than the fact they can provide advice and.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Reports to the parole board, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
So this is basically, why are you asking Corrections to
look at it if they have no say on how
long these people are well?

Speaker 22 (51:18):
Because because because we deliver rehabilitation. So even if we
do go through it and identify, yes, that short sentences
are not very effective, maybe we can figure out ways
of delivering rehabilitation. I just alluded to the fact that
we just changed the law before romand prisoners were getting
no programs at all while they're in prison. And bearing
in mind that up to fifty percent of our population

(51:40):
at any given time is on remand either remand accused
or remand convicted, So we're already making changes around that.
It's just a broader piece of work that I've asked
Corrections to do to identify what the real issues are
around shortest sentences sentences.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
The hero social cited match when it says the ministers
looking at this and he wants to swap the short
sentences for long sentences, That's not really what you're planning
to do. You're just trying to how to get the
short sentence people not correct? Reoffended?

Speaker 22 (52:07):
Yes, yes, correct, Well you don't have a broader look
at it. And if and if it's really clear that
actually short shorter sentence are shorter sentences aren't effective, in
fact they counterintuitive, then at least we've armed with that
information as a government and informs us to make decisions.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yeah, I see. Hey, have you been sending yourself emails
from your work account to your Gmail account?

Speaker 3 (52:29):
No?

Speaker 22 (52:29):
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Okay, good, good. You're obviously smarter than Erica.

Speaker 9 (52:33):
Have you.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Have you asked Erika about what's going on with her
printer here?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
No, I've got no idea.

Speaker 22 (52:38):
All I know is that you had a bit of
a disaster just coming on here, that one of your
braces broke. But I have to say they're worried.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
I can't avoid the German.

Speaker 22 (52:50):
But you sound fine, You sound fine.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
I appreciate it. Look terrible though. Mark Mitchell corrections to
see it just looks look just so that you're an
honest now, because now he's let the cat out of
the bag. What happened is when I was twenty one,
I had braces, right, don't judge me for it. I
was a nerd. So anyway, after that, they put a
wire behind your teeth, which I'm telling you this for
the benefit of Joseph Gani, who didn't know that that
happens after you have braces. Then what happened was here,

(53:16):
I am, at the age of forty eating an apple,
and the wire behind my tooth broke. And what do
we know about reading the Bible? Women should not eat apples.
The last one who ate an apple basically destroyed womankind,
and I destroyed my wire. Twenty away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're
one of a kind.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Joseph Ghani, the Huddle Child Fund CEO, and Thomas Scrimger
of the Maxim Institute. How are you two?

Speaker 15 (53:41):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Are you there? Thomas?

Speaker 17 (53:45):
Hi there?

Speaker 2 (53:45):
You'll like you'll like my little reference to the Bible. Ah,
because you work for the Maxim Institute.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Oh exactly, hither it's that great to say that you're literate.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Thank you very much. I think that's a delay rather
maybe or maybe I just had him thinking on his
feet right there, Eric, Josie, what do you think of
Erica sending himself the sending herself rather the Gmail account stuff.

Speaker 23 (54:07):
So, I mean, nothing bad has happened, but there is
a precedent for this, right. The reason that politicians have
their own you know, they don't send their professional emails
that from their political addresses to Gmail is because as
a risk that stuff leaks, or they send.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
It because it's encrypted.

Speaker 23 (54:25):
But look at the Signal thing, the scandal in America
with Pete Hegsath and Mike Waltz has now lost his job.
It went, I mean that it just blew up. It
was it was chaos, right, they're sending it to journalists,
they're sending it to his wife and his brother and
so on. So the reason why you have these processes
is to protect information.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
That might actually But what I would say to you, Josie, is,
in the case of the Signal thing in the US,
it wasn't theoretical, right, They actually included a journal who
should not have seen any of the stuff at all.
They actually included him in war plans. This is theoretical.
With with Erica, as far as we know, she's been
sending herself some budget docu about little old like five
million dollars spend in New Zealand, who cares.

Speaker 23 (55:03):
Yes, but it starts there and next thing, you're waging
war on Yemen. You know you've got you've got to
have the rules in place. So Luxlon does have to
pull her up. But it's not a story that lasts
beyond today, surely not unless there's something else that TV
ands and mikey which ies out very much.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Thomas, what do you make it? You're like totally exercised
by eric A sending herself emails to her Gmail account.

Speaker 24 (55:25):
Well, I'd like to wait till I see the full
story of the details that I don't jump the gun here,
but obviously it's it's not a good look. Security is
really important for cabinet ministers. We live in a world
that is not as friendly as it might have been
in the past, so that sort of discipline around data
is pretty important. So I don't know how serious it's

(55:46):
going to be, but certainly Luxon should be taking a
hard look at the decision making and security processes about
government information.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Tell them to stop doing that. Now, what do you
think Thomas about the idea of dealing Well, well, I
have to be honest with you, I'm disappointed that Mike
Mitchell didn't want to replace all the short sentences with
long sentences, are you, Oh, well.

Speaker 24 (56:07):
I think sentencing is one element of the justice system.
I don't think it's the most important one. I mean,
it's probably more significant that people have a concern that
they will be caught and successfully prosecuted in the first place.
And then the second problem is that the prisons themselves
and then Corrections just commissioned the report a couple of
weeks back it came out, and the prisons have just

(56:29):
a profound gang influence. They run exercise a strong amount
of power in the prisons themselves. So if that's the
state of the prisons, seeing people there for a longer
amount of time isn't actually going to solve the problem.
So I think there are kind of other elements other
than sentence things.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Isn't that the opposite of what Mark Mitchell has found.
What he's found is if you do a long sentence,
you're less likely to reoffend. It's the short sentences. There's
actually the people who stay there for a short amount
of time who are likely to go out and do
naughty things.

Speaker 24 (56:59):
Again, Well, that's possibly correct, but I think Mark Mitchell
doesn't have He said he's looking into this. It's not
an air type plan. This is going ahead. So certainly
it's fair enough to look at sentence links are a
part of the justice system and crime, you know, as
a problem that people are concerned about. But in the

(57:20):
first place, prisons aren't first and foremost about rehabilitation and recidivism.
Those are important secondary concerns. But really we should be
looking at are the sentences proportionate to the crimes, Are
the prisons working well as prisons? And then recidivism and
rehabilitation are a second conversation.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Okay, hold your thought on that, Josey. I'm going to
come back to you after the break. I want to
hear what you've got to say. Sixteen away from five
or six.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
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Speaker 2 (57:51):
All right, you're back with a huddle Joseph Beguinni and Thomascrims.
You're right, Josie, what did you think of what Mark
Mitchell said.

Speaker 23 (57:56):
He's looking at the evidence right now and and he's
not making any decisions. The first thing I would say
is going to cost billions of dollars. We're already spending
an extra nine billion to make twelve billion on defense,
which I think we need to do. It's a lot
of money, so you've got to do You've got to
think about the trade offs first. That's that's going to
be a lot less money going into health to go

(58:17):
into something where the evidence is mixed. So, yes, this
data coming out saying at the moment looks like shorter sentences.
You come out and you do more recidivism and you
cause more crime. But that evidence is quite mixed. If
you look at the evidence around the three strike slaw
when we had it, crime didn't go down. So people
were getting longer sentences. Crime wasn't going down. The difference

(58:38):
is the rehab. The you know, the halfway houses like
Dave Letelly's parents who run Grace Amazing right, and Howard Lee.
You know they teach people to give them skills like
driving cars.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
They give them, but not allood Jose, not.

Speaker 23 (58:52):
All halfway house gone. But the ones that wrap some
support around them when they come out a job, something
that makes them not go back to the gangs. A job,
a house, learned to drive a car with a regal license,
All of that stuff makes a real difference. So I think, Mitch,
I hope we'll look at all of that and go
where can we do that best, and consult with Dave Letelly,
consult with Shane White out at Horney White to Tea

(59:15):
who does kapahaka in the prisons and has probably turned
around more people than any government program.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
So talk to those guys. You get it right, Tomas,
You reckon that there's a trumpy pattern here and what
we're seeing with the elections, and if so, what is it?

Speaker 24 (59:29):
Oh well, I think certainly in the Canadian elections, Trump
had a massive effect. The Conservative leader Pierre Poliev can
probably feel a bit hard done by. The Canadian national
identity is pretty well based around not being the Americans.
So you know, anything that had the faintest worth of
Trump and they ran a mile from I'm not really
sure it's the same with Australia. They're a lot further away.

(59:52):
The tariffs aren't quite as severe for them. Anthony Albanezi
has just been elected for his second term. You normally
get second go and Peter Dudden wasn't the strongest candidate.
They didn't have a clear policy vision, They weren't able
to articulate that and just didn't talk about the things
ordinary Australians were worried about. And then finally he just

(01:00:12):
wasn't that likable. He wasn't a charming, charismatic figure. So
media love Trump stories because it gets clicks tempting to
look for it, but it's probably a bit more boring
than that Australians cared about bread and butter issues and
the Australian Liberals than off of them something for it.

Speaker 23 (01:00:27):
I think if you're looking for patterns, there's a lesson
there for opposition parties of any right or left right
that if you go into an election thinking that arising
the polls is support for you, and not arising the
polls to say we don't like the incumbents of the government.
So that's what was happening in both Australia and Canada,
and both parties I think mistook that for support for them.

(01:00:49):
So when that fell away and Trump's chaos looked so
chaotic that you had voters going, I choose competence over chaos.
I choose someone who looks like they could run a
corner daring over the nutter.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
In the ways say about elections, we always say that
elections are about the economy, right, yeah, and Donald Trump,
So it's about what you got in your pocket. And
Donald Trump and all the chaos that he's causing at
the moment threatens what you've got in your pocket. It
makes you feel vulnerable. So that's the other lesson, right,
So you go from the incumbent and you go for
the competent one, as you say.

Speaker 23 (01:01:21):
And the lesson for Carney and Albanesi, Australian and Canada
have just suddenly won from incumbency is that people just
want you to make their lives better off. And it's
and I think for the for the right that's playing
the populace card here. The lesson is, you know, people
don't want woke. They're very pleased that we're past Pete woke.
They don't want the opposite of that. They don't want

(01:01:42):
a conservative gross stuff no, and they don't want to
sort of over correction the conservative culture war. So they're
just sick of talking about it. And I think both
Dutton and Poiliver and I'm loving all the different ways
that we're pronouncing his name, but that he campaigned does
the Trump candidate.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
So did Dutton.

Speaker 23 (01:02:03):
Then they tried to walk away from that and back
off and go I'm not Trump, I'm not Trump. I mean,
if you saw Dutton's face when one of his candidates
said make Australia great again, and he went, oh bloody hell.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yeah, poor old Dutton. He wasn't even going to get elected.
I mean, you just need to look at his face. Hey, Thomas,
how much did you spend on your wedding?

Speaker 8 (01:02:21):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:02:21):
Well, hither I saw that this might be coming up,
and you'll be pleased to know. In the last two
and a half years, I've been to nine weddings, so
I'm a bit of a wedding attending expert at the moment.

Speaker 23 (01:02:31):
My ag funerals Thomas, So yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:02:34):
That's the other end of things. But honestly, I heard
the interview and the wedding planner saying kiwis or spending
eighty seven thousand dollars on weddings. I don't know that
any of the weddings I've been to in the last
couple of years would have spent even half that. But
I think the thing they had in common is that
they weren't hiring wedding planners to organize their wedding. But

(01:02:56):
I think it is interesting that people still seem to
think weddings are important, and you're talking about delaying them
until after other life milestones. But people still clearly see
something in weddings and celebrating commitments, and that's something that
we should encourage.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Yeah, it's because it's your me me me day, isn't it, Josie?

Speaker 23 (01:03:12):
What pressure If you've spent eighty nine let's call it ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
One of his friends has spent ninety thousand, and just
heard him say on the radio, nobody spent that much.

Speaker 23 (01:03:20):
Now if it's not the happiest day of your life.
I mean, for me, my wedding was a blur. I
didn't eat anything.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
I hated it. It was hard work.

Speaker 23 (01:03:26):
And if you spent ninety k you'd be just sitting
there going, oh my god, I'm miserable. What happened to
the cost of living crisis?

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Guys too right, I totally agree what's going on here?
Hey guys, thanks very much, really appreciate it. That's a huddle. Josepiguanni,
Thomas Scrimer seven away from six.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Zeb Heather the reason that they start means testing at
one hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year, so that
the majority of voters can say, oh, that doesn't impact me,
and those rich people don't deserve it, the greedy buggers.
So it's pushed through. And Richard makes a very fair point, right,
So the means testing. If you're the finance minister and
you means test something at one hundred and eighty thousand dollars,
which is what we're going to talk to Nicola about about.
When she's with us after sex. You look like you're

(01:04:09):
doing something to save money, but most people don't get
annoyed at you. But you're not really saving money. And
I thought the whole exercise was to save money because
we're broke. But anyway, listen, on the case, we'll ask
her about it. On the case of Donald Trump, people
are very angry at Donald today because Donald has said
that he's going to reopen Alcatraz, and that's like, that's

(01:04:29):
blowing a lot of minds. But people are also very
really angry at Donald yesterday because he posted a picture
of himself on May the fourth as a Star Wars character,
and people didn't find that funny, and people were really
like apoplectic at him the other day because he posted
a picture of himself dressed up as a pope, didn't
he And people were really really angry, really angry at

(01:04:51):
him a few weeks ago because he posted this video
where he'd imagined what Gaza would look like if it
was a Trump resort. Do you get to see there's
a pattern here. People are getting AnGR at Donald Trump
for what he's posting on and stop getting angry at him.
That's what he wants. There's literally no other explanation. There
is literally no other explanation for him posting a picture
of himself dressed as the pope, other than to wind

(01:05:14):
people up. So stop getting a wound up. He's living
rent free in your house. I'm talking to my husband
right now, so I'm sick of talking about Donald Trump
and how angry he is at Donald Trump speaking, which
I tell you who's living rent free in my house.
In my head is Wellington City Council. If you haven't
seen what Wellington City Council has done with Dixon Street,
this is like a peculiarly Wellington story. Us talking about

(01:05:37):
how Wellington City Council and Wellington's mere on Wellington's road
works all the time. It's very it's very niche, but
it is somehow I enjoy it. Do you enjoy it?
I enjoy it because it kind of is like an
emblem of what we shouldn't do. So I'm going to
tell you what Wellington has been doing with Dixon Street,
so that you can understand why these Numpties, why old
mate chief Numpty is not running for me or anymore.

(01:05:58):
Because this all explain it will get back to that
later on. And we're also going to speak to the
west Pac CEO, Katherine McGrath, because they've just posted a
little increase in their net profits. I know how happy
are you for Westpac right now? Nicola is with us.

Speaker 11 (01:06:11):
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Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Evening. Coming up in the next hour, we're going to
have a chat to Westpac's CEO about the increase in profit.
Greg Smith of Devon Funds and Gavin Gray is with
us out of the UK with that reform surprise result
last week. It's seven past six and with us now
is Nichola Willis the Finance minister? Hai Nikola? Hi Heather
now Niicola? Do you send any of your person your
emails to your Gmail account? Bony chance.

Speaker 15 (01:07:07):
Look, I don't think so. To be honest, I don't
send many emails at all. I've got an incredible team
of people who do that for me. I tend to
send the odd text or what's that message? And that's
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Really. How do you get away with not doing emails?

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:07:21):
I do them very rarely, and that's because I either
a briefing officials face to face saying could you get
me this? Could do that please? I'm meeting with people
face to face, or I'm talking to my team and saying, oh, look,
could you just make sure that that minister's aware of this?
Sometimes we do formal correspondents letters and the like, but
very rarely am I sitting at my keyboard writing an email.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
So do you just have a person who you say,
can you please email Chris back and say to Chris, yep,
I'll be there for his announcement about blah blah on
that day.

Speaker 15 (01:07:52):
Well, it's not so we don't so much communicate in
that way. So information comes to me in hard copy
from my age sees. My diary is there obviously in
my calendar. And then I have a lot of verbal briefings,
a lot of written briefings, a lot of discussions with
colleagues on a daily basis, face to face.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
What about in your personal life? Don't you get like
your power companies are emailing you and saying, we've got
to come around and fix the power box is Monday
ten o'clock. Okay, Oh sure.

Speaker 15 (01:08:20):
I use a Gmail account for some of that stuff.
You know, the notices from school where child A has
been well behaved, your child be has been bad?

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Do you wag or do you just not?

Speaker 15 (01:08:30):
I occasionally have, especially if it's nice news, you just
leave news.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Well.

Speaker 15 (01:08:38):
Look, the way I think about it is, if something's urgent,
you're going to get on the phone. If something's important
to the relationship, you're probably going to be face to
face or having a conversation. Email can be quite an
impersonal way of communicating. It's hard to get a sense
of tone. I do use it sometimes, but it's definitely
not my most common mode communica.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Actually, you're a Baller, You've described my best life. I'm
going to stop emailing henceforth and just say if it's
good for the Finance minister, it's good for me. Now listen.
David Seymour, I loved his idea of cutting the ministerial portfolios.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
He wants to get rid of the economic growth portfolio.
I would assume because it's not necessary, is it?

Speaker 13 (01:09:14):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:09:14):
I think it is necessary. It's been very useful being
able to take an overall view of the work happening
across multiple portfolios to drive economic growth, to ensure we're
prioritizing the right things driving it forward. Well, having a
specific portfolio dedicated to that has meant that I've had
officials ensuring that we're engaging with businesses, that we are

(01:09:36):
responding to their specific concerns that they're raising. And in fact,
some of that then leads to policy ideas being put
on the agenda that wouldn't otherwise be there. And look,
there are always debates about do you integrate it all
into one portfolio or have separate portfolios. In my case,
Treasury provide me fiscal advice and economic advice and MB

(01:09:57):
support me and the economic growth.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
That'll arm you though, I mean, like so basically everybody
in government should be aiming for economic growth. That's how
we're going to get more money into the country. The
fact that you have to have it as a job
title to make them think about it is kind of freaky,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:10:11):
I agree everyone should, but there are always questions about
are we prioritizing the things that are going to most
turn the dial because there are literally one hundred things
every minister could do each day. So let's make sure
we're focusing on the things that are most important and
take opportunities to be really clear about what that program is,
whether we're on track, what the obstacles are and are found.

(01:10:32):
It's a useful way of driving activity.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Thomas Coglan says that you're going to means test the
government's key we save a contribution to cut people off
who earn above one hundred and eighty thousand dollars. Is
it true?

Speaker 15 (01:10:42):
He wrote that article off the back of a interview
I had with you last week, And what I pledge
to both him and will pledge to you now is
I am not going to play the rule and rule
out game between now and Budget day, because what you
can see is that anything I say do in that
nature is going to be poured over. It's going to

(01:11:03):
be raked over. But what I can tell you is
that I have given Thomas a specific chunky saving that
we are making in the budget for him to run
in your sister publication, the New Zealand Herald tomorrow morning.
It accounts for a billion dollars worth of money over
the next four years that will now be available for
health and education services and other good things. And I

(01:11:25):
think when New Zealanders read about that savings and I
should have, they'll say, good on you, very good doing
this to shut out That's a great idea.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
You're doing this because he's harping on about this means
testing stuff, and you're like, just give him something to
just satisfy him.

Speaker 15 (01:11:39):
Well, well, look, when people are agree not to play
the rule in and rule out game, there can be
all sorts of rewards. Here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
She was, Hey, listen, how big is our structural deficit?

Speaker 15 (01:11:50):
Well, we will update that figure at the budget. The
structural deficit, for those listening is the difference between what
we're earning in terms of revenue from tech and other
sources and what we're spending in terms of the commitments
government has to funding things. And what you expect is
that when an economy is in a downturn, it's not
unusual for it to go into deficit. So a structural

(01:12:11):
deficit is saying even if the economy tipped up, we
still think that New Zealand would be spending more and
that's well, that's the position the last Labor government left
us in. And what I can tell you is we
are making really good progress in reducing that structural deficit
in the budget and will update on that figure at

(01:12:33):
budget time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Okay, so when do you think we will stop running
a structural deficit?

Speaker 15 (01:12:40):
Well, I will update that at budget time as well
as of previous can see an insight, yes, because as
I've said, we're going to have the box back into
balance with a very very lean surplus in twenty twenty nine,
and that reflects the fact that in that year we'll
be earning enough to meet our arms spending commitments.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Okay. Have you seen the tertiary ed Education Commission warning
about giving White Cuttle Uni that medical school.

Speaker 15 (01:13:07):
Yes, I saw that in our article from the Otago
Daily Times, who are obviously big supporters of Otago University
and look, that's one set of issues that will be
in minister's minds alongside a series coming.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
I haven't got any barrier to push here at all.
In fact, I really like Neil Quigley who runs the show,
but I don't. I don't think that you can give
it to Whitkatle University. They just are not up to it.

Speaker 13 (01:13:37):
Well.

Speaker 15 (01:13:37):
Look, under the Coalition agreement we are a full cost
benefit analysis must be presented before Cabinet makes a decision
with respect to the way Kato Medical School, and ministers
are still considering advice from the Ministry of Health on
that proposal, and no decisions have been made.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Do you have any idea when this is actually gonna
happen because you're sure you're fast running out of time.

Speaker 15 (01:13:57):
Oh, we're not running out of time. Those decisions will
be made.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
In due course.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
What this term? Yes? This year?

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Is it in this budget.

Speaker 11 (01:14:10):
Now?

Speaker 12 (01:14:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:14:10):
Yeah, we're getting into that game again. Look that there
will be announcements made about it this year here though.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Oh cool? Hey did you get an invitation to Adrian
was leaving party?

Speaker 6 (01:14:20):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:14:20):
I didn't know what I expect to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Has there been a cover up over his resignation.

Speaker 15 (01:14:26):
No, I wouldn't describe it that way. He made a
decision to resign that was communicated publicly. Ultimately, his employment
relationship is with the Reserve Bank Board and so for
it's for them to decide what it's appropriate to communicate
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Okay, So you're not actively withholding the reasons for him residing,
like you don't know and you're not telling us that's
not happening.

Speaker 15 (01:14:52):
Yeah, that's right from my perspective, I was informed that
he had made the decision to resign.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
O you and what plan next time Neil comes in?
Neil quickly from why Cuttle University comes in to talk
to you about money for the medical school? Can you
ask him, tell him to put his hat on as
the chair of the Reserve Bank and ask him why
Adrian left? And then I can ask you.

Speaker 15 (01:15:11):
You know, I think anyone speculating on that where whether
it's Nil or in any the Treasury Secretary or me
or anyone else, we might have our interpretation. But ultimately
the person who knows his reasons for himself is Adrian
and he hesitates, well, I think that how he articulated
that is for him, and the fact that he has

(01:15:34):
chosen not to go into detail about that makes it
pretty challenging for any of us to put words in
his mouth why, because we would be speculating and his
reasons for his resignation are ultimately.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Seriously telling Menifo that what he did was he was like,
I quit and he didn't say why. He didn't give
you guys any reason why.

Speaker 15 (01:15:53):
Well, I anticipate, well, I know that there were discussions
with the Reserve Bank Board about that, but as of seed,
that is for the Reserve Bank bored to communicate about.
It's not for me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Okay, Hey, Nicola, thank you very much, really appreciate it
very much, looking forward to the information you've given out.
Thomas Coglan. That's Nichola Willis, Finance Minister, seventeen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
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Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
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Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
That tells you what kind of a guy Adrian orwas
quits without notice and has the gall to come back
for a leaving party. I'll tell you what. Okay, The
Taxpayers Union put out a press release about it today,
which is why I was asking Nicola if there was
a cover up, because they said what sticks in the
throat is the lack of total lack of transparency around
Adrian Or's exit. He bloated the Reserve Bank from two
hundred and twenty five to six hundred and sixty staff.
He let inflation run wild. He torched eleven billion dollars

(01:17:40):
through his reckless money sprinting money printing spree, which is
enough to build four duned in hospitals. His extreme capital
rules spike mortgage costs, adding nearly four thousand dollars a
year to a one million dollar home loan. And when
inflationally fine inflation finally fell, he snoozed through the signal.
Now he's slipped back out out the back door with
a tray of sausage rolls and no account ability. Nicola

(01:18:01):
will listen to the Reserve Bank need to come clean. Key,
weis deserve better than muffins and a cover up. Do
you know what I'm I'm fast coming to the conclusion
that one of two things happened. Either Adrian really did
just pack a tant tantrum and send one of those
emails that Nicola doesn't respond to just to I quit
and left, and they don't know why he quit, or
he did tell them why he quit, but they just

(01:18:21):
don't want to talk about it because it's embarrassing. And
I don't know which of the two it is. So
next time Neil Quickly's on the show, will ask him.
Ay he's a Reserve Bank chair by the way, six
twenty one. Now, let's get an update from the markets today.
Greg Smith from Devin Funds is with us. Hey Greg, Hey, Hey, good,
it's very good to talk to you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
The key we market had a good session. It's up
zero point eight percent. What's been driving this optimism?

Speaker 8 (01:18:41):
Yeah, that's what I mean, sort of running on the
back of the optimism in the US. I mean what
trade ward, the S and pop five under, I mean
that's clawed back or its losses since Liberation Day and
it's actually been on a bit of a bit of
a record run. So I suppose you invests is a
sort of pricing in. Yeah, the worst case scenario that
you know, when you produce that border a few weeks
back not not happening. So you know, we've got hundreds

(01:19:03):
of deals evidently coming in the next sort of two months,
and I suppose what we're really waiting on is some
sort of meeting of the minds between China and the US.
And yeah, it still seems to be a bit of
cat and mouse. You know, there's been conciliatory tones, there's
been exemptions. China sit on Friday, that's sort of ready
for talks. Trump said over the weekend that he's not

(01:19:24):
going to speak to Beijing this week. So I think
that's what investors sort of looking for that you know,
that's going to be better than fed from that regard.
So yeah, the US market's sort of pushing high. I mean,
the New Zealand market didn't fall as most as much
as most anyway, but it's yes, sort of sort of
clawing things back, as you mean, zero point eight percent.

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
We've got Fish and Parkle.

Speaker 8 (01:19:44):
We know one of our exporters, I suppose most in
the frame with respect to terrorists, but that's sort of
in compliance of this agreement between US, Canada and Mexico
and has a lot of its I suppose operations in Mexico,
which supplies the US. And then we've got Mainfraid as well,
and that's been sort of wearing a bit of toil
from the tariff side of things. But yeah, seventy five
percent of earning of earnings come from Australia New Zealand,

(01:20:07):
so use is a bit of relevant. I mean, it's
only around about eight percent of earnings. So that had
a great down Friday, up twelve percent on its training update.
It's up again today as well, by two point four percent.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
What do you make of Trump and there's tariffs on
foreign made movies? What impact will that have?

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:20:23):
I had the whole tariff war has been a bit
of a soap opera, hasn't it. I Mean that's been
sort of lurching from one drama to another, and now
it actually has Hollywood. So I've got potentially one hundred
percent tariff on movies not made in America. He says
he wants to stop the slow death of Hollywood. I
suppose as usual, and as we've become accustomed to with
Trump and all things on the trade front, been quite

(01:20:44):
light on detail. So is it going to apply to
just movie showing in cinemas? Is it going to apply
to things on streaming as well? But yeah, it's certainly
potentially going to have an impact. Obviously, Chris like someone
was speaking today. But you know, Lord of the rings
made in New Zealand or movies made in Australia, you know,
dark and be potentially caught. So yeah, I'm not going
to be great for sort of the film industries abroad.

(01:21:05):
So yeah, pretty pretty amazing. We've sort of no stone
untouched with respect to the Tower Forum. We have to
sort of see where this all goes. But yeah, I
just go as suppose to the soaproper that has been
the trade war over the past five weeks or so.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Lord, it will be a soaproper if it didn't cost
us so much. Greg, Thank you so much, appreciated you
awsome at Gregsmith of Devon Funds.

Speaker 8 (01:21:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
One News has done the story in eric I'll run
you through it shortly twenty four past six.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
The Business Hour with header Dupericllen and theirs, Insurance and investments,
grew your wealth, Protect your future news dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
V Right here we go. One news story on Erica
Stanford with the Gmail. So what she's been doing is
she's been sending herself some ministerial documents, right, and they're
like and in air quotes. Worst example of it is
some budget documents from last year, so it's not even
of this year story. It's the last year Tory and
what it was was the visa changes they were going

(01:22:02):
to make. So it's hardly like, you know, like state
secret stuff. Technically is a secret involving the state, but
you know what I mean, like, it's not like take
you out and put you up against the wall and
give you the firing squad over this one, is it?
And yes, it has come out through the Official Information
Act requests as we suggested it might have been. And
what she's also been doing is she's been using her
Gmail account and then she's been putting her business signature

(01:22:23):
on it, you know, like Eric Stanford, Minister for blah
blah blah whatever. It's the breach of the Cabinet Manual
that's the problem here, which means that the g and
it's because the gmails are more easily hacked. And she
said this, she sometimes forwards emails to herself so she
can print briefings while working away from Parliament, but Parliamentary
Service has now installed her Electorate Office printer on the
Parliamentary network. I mean, have you ever heard of anything

(01:22:46):
more third world than that. We've had a minister have
to use Gmail because we haven't actually installed the printer
on the Parliamentary network. Nobody got bothered doing that. So anyway,
at least that's fixed now. West Pack's with us after
the news, crunching.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
The numbers and getting the results. It's hither duplicy Ellen
with the Business hour and mass insurance and investments, grow
your wealth, protect your future, these talks that'd be.

Speaker 22 (01:23:18):
Seven true.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Nobody right getting grays with us out of the UK shortly.
And also I need to talk to you about something
Brian Roach has said. You're gonna love it. If it's
the public sector just makes you do that, you're gonna
love what he said. In New Zealand, by the way,
I showed off its first retrofitted Dreamliner today. This one's

(01:23:41):
spent something like, goodness me, it felt like six months
or something sitting in somewhere that wasn't New Zealand getting
fitted out, maybe Singapore or something. Anyway, who cares. It's
come back and it's good to go. In economy, the
screens of fifty percent bigger, which is exciting. They've got
apparently clever little snack trays, which I frankly don't care about.
I just care about the snack, So yay for you,

(01:24:01):
but give me the snack and an economy stretch option
to pay a little bit more of his stretch eLEGS
and stuff like that. In business Premier yere, the seats
have got that. They don't do the hering bone anymore.
It's got a new angle or something new layout, so
you get extra privacy, extra space. You've got sliding privacy screens,
got wireless charging. They can be and this is a
cool thing, can be upgraded to a luxe option, so

(01:24:21):
you have a full closing door and a larger bed
and space for two people to eat. So that's kind
of fancy, isn't it. Tickets go on sale on Wednesday.
If you're like one of those airline freaks, and I
know at least too, so there are lots of them
out there. If I know too, seats will go on
sale on Wednesday. So for the airline freaks can fly
on this thing. And the first journey is Brisbane nineteenth
of May, and by the end of next year all

(01:24:42):
of the Boeing seven eight sevens and whatever planes are
going to be all done in the same way, so
that you go twenty two away from seven. Now west
pax a net profit has jumped ten percent for the
first half of the year for the company's new New
Zealand arm. The interest rates have been coming down, obviously,
but the bank's margins on interest rates have gone up lightly,
up zero point one six percent compared to the same

(01:25:03):
period last year. In Australia the margins actually declined. Westpac
CEO is Katherine mcgrahey. Catherine Hi here, That great to
be back, Hey, thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (01:25:11):
For your time.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
What's driving your profit up?

Speaker 10 (01:25:15):
So if you look at it versus the previous period, yes,
it has gone up about ten percent in that period
of time, But if you look at it over the
past six months, our net profit has actually gone down
by nine percent and that's reflarching. Revenues have been flat,
particularly with strong competition in the deposit market. Our costs
have gone up and impairment has gone up as well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
And so what's going on here with the margins rising
in New Zealand but going down in Australia. Why is that.

Speaker 11 (01:25:44):
So?

Speaker 10 (01:25:44):
One is it's important to compare apples with apples. The
Australian business has a big international component to it, which
we don't have here. And so if I look at
the relevant parts of the Australian business to New Zealand,
one our net interest margin is lower and then the
reason that have edged up about three points over the
past sax months, we've seen some better funding decisions have

(01:26:06):
been taken, which has been really helpful.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Interested in the faith that you've called out the social
media companies on scams, what's what's got you upset there?

Speaker 10 (01:26:17):
One of the things I'd love to see them do
is to make sure that when they take advertising dollars
for financial services ads, that they check that those ads
are for genuine financial services providers. We know that investment
scams are the ones that hurt keep mees the most
for an amount of money, and so we'd love them
to use their great technology to verify that they're taking

(01:26:38):
money from people who are actually financial services organizations.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
They're under no obligation to do that, are they.

Speaker 20 (01:26:45):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:26:46):
But if I can go through a piece of break
to try and identify that a payment that you intend
to make isn't really one that you want to make,
which is what we're doing in the New Zealand Banking industry.
I don't think it's a hard ass to say that
media platforms should make sure that they verify that who
they're taking money from are advertising actually for financial services,
not fake ads.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Yeah, you, I mean I would say that that's because
you've been pressured into it publicly, right, you actually care
about what your customers think. They don't care, they have
and they have no real there's no real impetus, right that.
There's what I mean, what does it matter if we
think badly of them? We keep on using them, right,
So there's nothing to there's nothing really to pressure them
into this position, is there.

Speaker 10 (01:27:28):
Well, I think the government is starting to do a
good job at putting that pressure on and it's been
really good to see that one of those platforms has
done that. And so our witch reagment is that Google
has done that and they are verifying all ads. We
would think that was great if all of those technology
platforms demonstrate the same social responsibility to help people stop

(01:27:50):
being scammed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Yeah, totally, I agree with you. Now, listen, when are
you guys going to be paying that penalty post the
court case?

Speaker 10 (01:27:58):
So that will be in the process. Now that's from
a very historic issue, not good when we offered something
and we couldn't follow through with it in terms of
our system. But we've worked very closely with the Financial
Markets Authority. All of those customers have had any money
paid back, and it's not a forward looking issue from
our perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Cool Catherine, Thank you so much for your time. Appreciated.
Katherine mcgras's CEO of Westpac nineteen away from seven. Okay,
So you know how I feel about the public sector,
and I feel like a lot of kiwis a lot
of taxpayers in New Zealand, around the Western world, in
the English speaking world, we all get in democracies. We
all feel like this about the public sector. The public
spector is just giant sponge for your money and then

(01:28:38):
it just it just kind of fritzes it away and
it's just frustrating, right, So, knowing that that's how we feel.
I was watching Brian Roach yesterday, he's the new public
sector boss, by the way. I was watching him yesterday
on Q and A, and I took some heart from
it because he says he wants the public sector to
provide better value for money for taxpayers, and everybody says that, right,
But what he wants to tax the public sector to

(01:29:01):
do is that he wants the bosses to be prepared
to take more risks because they play things safe all
the time. He wants them to take more risks like
they do in the private sector.

Speaker 13 (01:29:10):
I would like, you know, the whole concept of curiosity
to become an article of faith in the new salem
of public service. We should always be questioning why we
do it and whether we could do it better. That's
what the private sector does. I can't see why the
public sector can't adopt that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
If the private sector can do it, then the public
sector should do it. How much like how many times
have you thought that yourself if you were just doing
if there was a private company who was doing this,
they would do a much better job than you people
sitting there on your fat salaries and not worrying about
the outcomes.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
So I was so heartened to hear him say that,
Obviously saying it and then getting it done at two
different things. Because he can say it and that can
be his intent, but he is still the boss of
sixty thousand odd core public sector workers, and you still
have to change. This is a mindset that has been
ingrained in them for decades and decades and decades, and

(01:30:00):
he has to somehow turn that around. So I'm going
to temper my expectations. But at least credit to him
for saying it out loud, because that's the first step.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
You have to acknowledge the problem, which he's done. You
have to want to change it, which he's done. Now
you just have to change it. So just you know,
like the hardest bit left, but at least we're headed
in the right direction. Seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and Mare's
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Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
Please talks at me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Gavin Gray are UK correspondents with me? Now, Hey Gavin, Hi,
what do we know about this terrorism plot that's been foiled?

Speaker 9 (01:30:40):
Yeah, it looks like two different plots because the eight
who are arrested are being told that the one group
of five arrested around England, another group of three around London,
two separate police investigations, they're saying. But what we do
know is that seven of the age arrested are Iranian.
There's still being question they've been held overnight, they've been

(01:31:02):
questioned by counter terrorism investigators and if its arrests under
the counter Terrorism Command, then they could spend a fortnight
before either being released or charged with something. So the
police have got plenty of time on this. What's been
really interesting though about the arrests, apart from the fact
that they are Iranian and we do know that. Just

(01:31:24):
a couple of years back, the head of MI five
said that since twenty twenty two they had responded. The
security services had responded to twenty plots backed by Iran
whiched or presented potentially lethal threats to British citizens, and
so the threat from Iran ever growing, and perhaps this
highlights this, but the very fact these arrests were in daylight,

(01:31:47):
the very fact that they were done, in one case,
in front of lots of people in a big town
center busy with shoppers, shows that obviously they thought time
is of the essence, that they needed to act now
to make the arrests before perhaps those plots were enacted,
but we simply don't know yet.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
We're waiting for more details.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Kevin, Can we say this is it for Harry? They're
not going to let him back into the royal fold.
If he carries on like this, are they No.

Speaker 9 (01:32:11):
I think it's a really odd way giving an interview
to talk about how disappointed you are that you've lost
a court case, only to then start talking about how
your father, the King, Charles the third doesn't talk to you,
and how frankly you know the royals he would forgive
them for various misdemeanors in the past, and is said

(01:32:31):
that the whole security issue that he's been trying to overturn,
which is a downturn in his security level when he
comes back to the UK, he said, describes that as
a security sort of stitch up, an establishment stitch up.
So no, this is not the way to endear yourself
to the rest of your family, and at times he

(01:32:52):
does seem I don't know, slightly desperate in the interview
and certainly very sad either way. I mean, we're all
used to family disputes, but play it out in front
of the world's media, let alone the world's people is
certainly not the best way of going and we are
not therefore expecting him at the v Day commemorations taking
part today and across this week.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
I mean, the thing is a lot of people are
listening that particular line where he said, I don't know
how much longer my father has lived. People are taking
us some sort of an insight into the king's diagnose,
should we.

Speaker 9 (01:33:24):
I think it's very interesting because all the time, whenever
I get in touch with any of the media press offices,
they're always saying, oh, no, the treatment's going really well,
were really pleased, he's responding terribly well, doctors are happy
with him, etc. So the fact that his own son
is saying I don't know how much longer he's got
is a very odd turn of phrase to use if

(01:33:45):
what we're hearing about the doctors is correct. So it
does make you doubt that. But at the same time,
do you know what, I'm not entirely sure how much
Prince Harry knows about his father's health. Evidently, if they're
not talking and there are very few members of the
all family probably left talking too, Prince Harry probably with
the exception of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew's children,

(01:34:06):
then I'm not quite sure how much detail he would
know about it. But either way, it does perhaps make
you think, oh, actually, perhaps this treatment isn't going the way.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
We thought, yeah, totally, Hey Gavin, thank you very much,
Gavin Gray are UK corresponding? Do you know I thought
about that? I thought, well, how much do you actually know?
But then think about your family. I don't know about you,
but literally all of us children know this that if
we tell my mum anything and then tell her not
to tell the other one, she will tell the other one,
because like that's how we can sometimes get messages to

(01:34:34):
each other if we can't be bothered phone each other.
I'm just come, bum, don't tell Ian this, but blah
blah blah, And then next minute Ian calls me. I'm like, oh, yeah,
she did, tod a, she told you. He's like, yeah,
she did.

Speaker 11 (01:34:43):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
I just feel like in the Royal family, if King
Charles is to her if the diagnosis is terminal, they're
gonna be talking about it, aren't they and be like,
don't tell anybody. But then somebody will have told Beatrice
and Eugenie and then be in triest in. Eugenie will
tell Hazz because they're still talking to him, so he
will know. He will know more than than they think
he knows. Maybe, but God only knows why he said

(01:35:05):
that anyways, because he's dumb. This is the thing. It's
a harsh truth. Some people are hot, some people are not,
some people are clever, some people are dumb. And it
just is the way the cookie crumbles. Now, Wellington, so
I meant to tell you about Wellington. So what's happened
is if you've been down to Wellington recently, or if
you live in Wellington, you'll know this Dixon Street, which

(01:35:25):
is kind of like Courtney Place, carries on Courtney Place,
runs away from the Embassy Theater and then it splits
into Dixon in Manners right. And Dixon Street used to
be fantastic, a little place to go. But then the
council decided, Lord, look that's doing too well. Let's ruin it.
So they took away all the car parks down all
like many of the car pucks, most of the car
pucks don't know who, don't really care, and they put
all of it like this board walk situation, and with

(01:35:46):
lots of planter boxes and stuff. They were really excited
about it. That's awesome, it's really great. Two and a
half years ago, look at a trumpeted it. Look at
what we've done. It looks modern and doesn't it looks
like modern because there are no cars here type thing. Anyway,
two and a half years later, we now now find
out it's degrading. They're now going to have to find
something to replace it with. But the good news is
it was never permanent, wasn't it Because everybody thought it

(01:36:09):
was permanent. No, no, says the council. No no, it
was temporary. It was only ever temporary, and they were
just putting it there until they could do you know,
Tory's big upgrade with the Golden Mile. Now, look, we'll
have to take them at their word for it that
it was only temporary, In which case, why the hell
did they spend six hundred thousand dollars on a temporary situation?
Why did they do that? Six hundred thousand dollars is

(01:36:31):
a lot of money to be spending on planter boxes
and bits of wood to cover up the car parks
if you're planning to dig it all up and do
it properly at some stage six have they lost leave
of their senses? Have they forgotten? Are they so rich
at the Wellington City Council they've forgotten what six hundred
thousand dollars can buy you. I mean, look, you know,

(01:36:54):
in the outer outer suburbs of Wellington somewhere you can
buy a house for six hundred thousand dollars. Parts of
rural New Zealand, you can buy a nice house for
six hundred thousand dollars. That's a lot of money to
be blowing on a temporary Somebody needs to talk to
them about this. This is why Toy is losing her
job because she's frit as away. The frit is away,
The cats right sorted out Wellington seven away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Heather, it was permanent. I couldn't hate those dipsticks more.
I just yeah, Heather, they ruined Dixon Street. The planter
boxes are full of dead, ugly plants. Heather. They lost
the plot. In Newtown we have permanent cycle ways with
temporary material. So now we have permanently closed businesses and
not one cyclist holding up the economy in Newtown. Yes,

(01:37:46):
there you go, just yay for Wellington. Now, speaking of Wellington,
I reckon this is the There are sometimes when you
read the newspapers, you read a story and you go, hey,
what and that I have one of those today professional
escapes conviction for filming colleagues on the toilet. I thought,
got to read this. What happened? Thirty seven year old

(01:38:06):
Wellington professional has been busted by his workplace putting the
camera in the toilet, right, it was a motion sensor
camera and he was filming his colleagues on two separate
occasions going to the toot and he's somehow ended up
in front of a judge or has got charged obviously
because you'd have to be charged this weird thing to do.

(01:38:26):
And he told the judge that the reason he did
it was so that he could get fired, and the
judge said it seemed implausible, but he accepted the explanation
after reading reports by a psychologist and a counselor. Now, look,
maybe the psychologist and the counselor knows, and the judge
knows something we don't know. Maybe there's some really awesome

(01:38:47):
explanation for why he would do that, But surely there
are easier ways to get fired than filming your toilet,
your colleagues on the toilet, don't you think? Like I
just feel like if I was the judge, if I
was the judge, I would have gone byes and here's
your sentence as.

Speaker 19 (01:39:05):
How hard is it to write a resignation letter? Yeah,
I think i'd probably do that before.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
I mean, why don't you just punch your colleague? That's
an easier way to get fired again.

Speaker 19 (01:39:13):
I feel like the resignation leader should probably be plan A.
We're gonna go with Shane Walker Coasty Girl to play
us out tonight. He is going on tour along with
te where He and Hoddy Shaw. The three of them
have had the top three songs in the New Zealand
chart until recently, so they're doing a bunch of shows
around the country in June and August. Unfortunately for them,
Lord released the song and then that's popped up in
the charts this week, so none of them have the

(01:39:34):
number one song anymore and won't for a little while probably,
but they'll be back in there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Okay, enjoy and we will see tomorrow and New still
said by.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Thirty that's so hard costy half costy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
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