Full Show Podcast: 05 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper Cy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News Talks Heavy Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Wayne Brown on
finally defunding Auckland Transport, the Senior Doctors on why they've
said no to the pay dispute ending and former Springbok
Kevin part on that big showdown tomorrow. Heather on that
show down, can you please stop letting the spring box
get into your head? Because that is clearly what they're
up to. That's why Russi Erasmus has expressed all surprise

(00:34):
at Razers selections. He wants the team to second guess themselves.
Who cares what he thinks now? He said, oh, I'm surprised.
Fabian Hollins on the beat. It's designed to make Razor
and all the lads think they've got this wrong already.
And this is why he's called in fufter cladic. He
doesn't need fufter clack. That means he's got four halfbacks.
Would you need? What is any four halfbacks for? He's

(00:57):
just trying to remind the all Blacks that he's got
four more half backs than they've got. That's what he's
up to. It's just getting inside their head. It's niggling
them and it's working, isn't it. Because go and have
a look at the poles that there are today, that
two poles on two different news websites asking if we
think that the All Blacks are gonna win, and both
of them have got the All Blacks winning, but g'z

(01:17):
only BYJUs. It's by a tiny margin. It's only like
fifty three to fifty four percent to the box winning
forty six forty seven percent. Come on, normally we've got
way more confidence. Like normally we've got confidence that is
a little low tt. But this is Eden Park, this
is the fortress. If you're gonna win anywhere, you're gonna
win at Eden Park. Where's our confidence? Even the abs

(01:38):
are nervous. If you heard Scottie Hansen, the assistant coach,
on with us yesterday, he admitted that now, look, I
don't think the All Blacks are gonna lose. I think
they're gonna win because this game is more important to
the All Blacks than it is to the spring Box,
Because to the spring Box is just another game. That's
all it is right. But to the All Blacks it's
defending the fortress, and defending the fortress when they can
see that the country doesn't think that they're gonna be

(01:59):
a to and the Abes thrive on this stuff. Remember
how remember when Fozzy was about to get the sack,
Mark Robinson from n Z flew over to Joeburg to
give him the sack. Remember when that was about to happen,
Suddenly the All Blacks just rallied and beat the spring
Box to stop him getting the sack because they had
something to play for. And the same is true here.
They've got something to play for. Plus, as Scottie Hansen

(02:21):
said yesterday, the All Blacks seem to play better when
they're nervous. It's when people expect them to win, when
they expect to win, that they weirdly drop the ball. Now,
don't forget. We might have been beaten by the Argies,
but the Box were beaten by the Wallapies. So they're
not on that much of a street, are they? Relax?
The All Blacks have got it.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Hither duplessy Ellen see.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Nineteen ninety two is the text number. Standard text fees
apply now. A major study staying on the subject of rugby,
A major study has found that playing high level rugby
actually does increase the likelihood of developing Alzheimer's. Auckland University
researchers compared play who'd played at high level to men
who'd never played at high level and found a twenty
five percent increased risk. Steve Lancaster is New Zealand Rugby's

(03:08):
general manager of Community Rugby Hay Steve Hi, Heather listen,
I look at this. I think it's pretty clear rugby
causes Alzheimer's If too many, Knox, what do you say?

Speaker 4 (03:19):
I think you have to be really careful in making
a statement like that, because the research that's just been
published actually makes it very clear that it doesn't establish causation,
but it does establish that there is a correlation between
participation in high level rugby amongst men that played in
the game between nineteen fifty and two thousand and an
increased incidence of some neurodegenerative diseases. But the distinction between

(03:43):
an association and causation is an important one.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Well, what else could it be?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Then?

Speaker 3 (03:47):
If it's just a correlation, what's causing it?

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Well, that's the thing that we need to better understand now,
But there are a range of other factors that are
at play within that cohort, and again, causation can't be
pinned twenty one of them without for the research. But
you know, we know that lifestyles and social behaviors over
that period of time there was less awareness around a
whole lot of things, and so people did a whole
lot of things that had potential impacts.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, so do you think, like, possibly you're a rugby player,
you go back to the sheds, you get really boozed,
that might be the cause.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Again, we don't want to speak out on what causes
any of these things, but you know, attitudes and behaviors
around alcohol consumption in New Zealand in that period of
time were certainly very different to what they are today.
So that's one example.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah maybe, But I mean I would argue that between
what was the period that this was done and was
it something like nineteen sixty to two thousand, was it?

Speaker 5 (04:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, I would say most most people with most key
we men, whether they played rugby or not, would have
been big boozers back in that day, don't you think?

Speaker 5 (04:47):
Yep?

Speaker 6 (04:48):
Well again yeah, I would.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Look, Okay, we're kind of got I think, right, you
guys can't. I mean, I understand legally you guys can't
say it because then you open yourself to lawsuit. But
it's pretty clear to the average human what's going on here.
What I want to know from you is do you
need right taking into account could be the cause. Do
you need to increase your stand down periods after a
suspected or an actual concussion?

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Well, we certainly need to do more around protecting players
from the risks of head injury and head impacts, and
so there's a lot of science actually that that is
wrapped around stand down periods for concussion. So you know,
in the community game, we have a twenty one day
stand down for players that suffer a concussion or a
suspected concussion through the Blue Card Inershive, and in the
professional game that there's a whole raft of scientific measures

(05:34):
that are used around based what in.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Your In the professional game, it's what twelve days?

Speaker 7 (05:38):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah, it's again, I don't want to I don't want
to make a misty here in terms of the number
of days, but it's very scientifically evaluated through.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I'm asking because boxing is thirty at the minimum. Steve
like sometimes they make those guys stand down for six months.
Six months compared to twelve days in rugby, does make
the twelve days look very small.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah, well again and again, my space is the community game,
not the professional game, So I don't want to speak
too extensively on that in detail, but I know that
in the professional game, we take a very scientific and
individualized approach, right, so players will stand down for as
long as necessary for them to be completely symptom free
before they'll take the fielder game. And we've put a
lot more resource in place around those players at the

(06:20):
professional level than we can at community where we have
to have standardized protocols.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
What do you reckon you need to do to keep
people's head safe?

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Well, we're already doing a lot of things right, and
so this is why we welcome this research and why
we've actually been invested in and contributed to it, is
that we just need to understand better what's going on here,
and that will enable us to make better decisions and
more informed decisions about how we keep people safe playing
the game. So since two thousands, since this research cohort,

(06:47):
there's been a range of initiatives that have been put
in place We've made modifications.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
To tackle height and tackle laws.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
We've introduced a whole lot of initiatives in the professional
game around things like instrumental mouthguards and head injuries assessment
protocols and systems. So we're actively pursuing everything that we
can to ensure the game is as safe as possible,
and we will continue to evolve in that space.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Now, listen, Steve, I'm not sure if you're the right
guy to ask this question of, but I want to
know why ends are forced Shane Curry Shane Christy rather
to keep his report a secret, do you know?

Speaker 4 (07:20):
No, Look, I mean that report's confidential. I'm not across
the detail of it because it's not my part of
the business. But what I do know is that all
of the parties at the outset of that report agreed
to it being a confidential report so that it could
enable everyone that participated to participate openly and transparently so
that we can and get better and make improvements. So

(07:40):
that was a condition at the outset of the report.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
So he agreed before the report happened, he agreed that
if it was done, he would not release it.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
That's my understanding. Again, I'm not across the detail. It's
not my part of the business, so I don't want
to go too far on.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
That, okay, Steve, thanks very much, appreciate it. Steve Lancaster,
General Manager Community Rugby.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I forget do for Ce Allen.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Course, he has quit parliament. So this is a statement
that's been released. Green Party MP Benjamin Doyle resigns from Parliament.
Written statement from Green Party MP Benjamin Doyle brackets they
them over the past months, I've been on a journey
of healing. During this time, I have come to the
realization that I cannot complete this journey while in Parliament.
After having baseless and violent accusations thrown at me and

(08:22):
an onslaught of hate, vitriol and threats of real world
violence directed at me and my faro, I've decided to
move on from Parliament. My tamity child ask me to
leave Parliament, and I am leaving for them and for
my own well being. Benjamin Doyle's valedictory speech will beyond
the eighteenth of September, a couple of weeks from now
and last as an MP October third, so we'll talk

(08:45):
about that with barrisop later sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
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Speaker 3 (08:58):
Hither. You are so wrong the All Blacks will There's
no way this team has got what it takes to
beat South Africa. We have slipped so far under Razor.
It's not funny. Nineteen past four fort with.

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Speaker 3 (09:12):
Responsibly Jason pine host of Weekend Sports with Me High
Piney overreaction. This is your fault because you and I
wound each other up into believing the All Blacks are
going to win.

Speaker 8 (09:21):
It's not funny, Piny, It's just not funny. Look, I
think they won the game. I think they won the game.
I think it means more to the All Blacks than
it does to South Africa to win this game tomorrow night.
That might seem like an odd thing to say, because
I'm sure the spring Box would absolutely love to end
that unbeaten run of the All Blacks at eden Park,
But it just feels to me as though the enormity

(09:43):
of the occasion, the fact that South Africa have won
the last four, the Eden Park record, Artie's one hundredth
Test match, the fact they haven't been great this year.
Massive crowd. I just think there's a higher power at
work that's going to get the All Blacks across the line.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, there's like manna.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
There's a bit of that too.

Speaker 8 (10:01):
And look, South Africa are a good team and one
of the possible outcomes is they'll win the game. I
just don't think that's what's going to happen. I like
the All Blacks team. I think there's some you know,
there's some just small tweaks which I like. Like the
fact we've got some impact off the bench. I'm glad
they made a change in the back three. I think
it's a big day for im Monti Nadawa tomorrow night.

(10:21):
And look, I as I said, we haven't lost there
since you know, nineteen ninety four. That's an awfully long
time ago.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
You know, I'm not ready.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
The last time we lost against the box there.

Speaker 8 (10:33):
Nineteen thirty seven. They haven't played there very often, to
be fair, but nineteen thirty seven, that's going back a
long long way. You know, they've they've been to Aukland
twice in the last ten years. They lost at Albany
fifty seven. NOL lost at Mount Smart and twenty twenty
three don't necessarily historically do that. Well here, So look again,
this is all just this is all just filling in time,
if we're honest, Heather, it's all just filling.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
No, it is not piney. It's a proper tightening of
the sphincter by New Zealand, that's what it is. But
we're nervous, and at this time in a long time,
we've been really nervous.

Speaker 8 (11:05):
Imagine those players, and imagine Scott Robertson how he must be.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Oh he's going to be have a sweaty forehead tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (11:10):
A Oh you would though, wouldn't you? And maybe that's
maybe that's what you should have on occasions like this.
You know, it's supposed to mean a lot to you.
So look, if these players aren't aren't having you know,
the odd wake in the middle of the night night sweat.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh yeah, no, they'll have perry menopausal sleeps tonight. They're
going to be up every two hours, aren't they. They're
going to be just like their wives. It'll be hilarious anyway.
And just talk about the warriors. What are the chances
we're in the top fours there own.

Speaker 8 (11:37):
We can't make the top four. But so what we
can do was win tonight against Manly and that would
give us a chance of finishing fifth. Now why that's
important is that I think it all costs you want
to avoid the Penwrith Panthers in a knockout game. If
the Warriors finished sixth, they are more than likely to
face the Penwrith Panthers in a knockout game, albeit at home.
I just think you want to avoid that team. Four
time defending champions haven't had the season they would have

(11:59):
hoped for, but this it's a good team. So I
think you want to finish fifth. Therefore you play the
eighth place probably Roosters, maybe Dolphins, avoid the Panthers if
you can. So win tonight and you're halfway there. The
other part of it is you need the Bulldogs to
beat the Sharks tomorrow, which they should. So look there's
all if if Watson maybies, we'll probably end up six
and play the Panthers next week.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
No, you're doing the reverse hodo. Well I'm giving you
agowing the piney hoodoo, because when you call it, then
the opposite thing happens.

Speaker 8 (12:23):
All right, here we go all Blacks to win by nine,
Warriors to win by four. That's my call for the
two games.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Love it okay, thank you Piney, appreciate it. Jason Pine
we can sport host. You'll be back tomorrow twelve o'clock
to three, four twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
Drive with one New Zealand Tenda Power of satellite mobile
news talks.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
They'd be Heather water Flake. That's about Bussy. Hither water Flake?
What kind of people are we breeding? Try the abuse
that's thrown at David Seymore for years. There's something fishy
going on here? What it is? Mary, I can actually
answer that question for you. What it is is that
I do not believe one second that Bussy has quit
because Bossy wants to look after their own safety and
their childs. I mean, maybe that's a factor, but I
think it's more more likely they've been told by the

(13:09):
Green Party to bugger off, like you're weird and you've
embarrassed us. And I didn't like anything of what was
going at you go because do you remember when Bussy
came out and defended what they had said, and it
was a really weird press conference because they were standing there.
They didn't have anybody from the Green Party around them.
We just had a lot of people from the Rainbow
community standing around them. And I looked at that and
I thought it months ago. Now looked at that and

(13:30):
I thought, only a matter of time before you're gone
because you do not have the support of your own party.
And now they're gone. So I think you can kind
of read between the lines that they've been booted. Anyway,
Peter had Done. Nobody from the Greens wants to talk
about this, like they are on complete lockdown. Even even
former members of the Greens. Nobody's talking. So we have
a chat to Peter Done, who can read the tea
leaves for us. He'll be with us after five o'clock.

(13:51):
It's full twenty six. Yeah, I'm getting texts about the
old Matthew Hooton column. We're gonna get to that. This
is the column where he's predicting that Luxeon's gonna get rolled.
This is what Luxon had to say, Oh, title rubbish,
title rubbih And then of course there were questions around
whether Chris Bishop is the one who's doing it and
wants to take over, and this is what he had
to say.

Speaker 9 (14:11):
This whole conversation, I respectfully, this whole conversation is ridiculous.

Speaker 10 (14:15):
It's agestion that he doesn't have this.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
You deny that, Yes, absolutely, I deny it.

Speaker 11 (14:21):
You know, and you should be asking questions about whether
or not the leader of the Labor.

Speaker 6 (14:25):
Party has the full confidence of his workers, because.

Speaker 11 (14:27):
There's a lot of roomors out there right now about that,
including Penny Inner the other day not ruling out challenging
Precipitan leadership in the Labor Party.

Speaker 12 (14:34):
So I think you should be far more focused on
the leadership.

Speaker 13 (14:37):
Of the opposition.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
So Barrisoaper is going to join us talk us through
that before the five o'clock hour is with us, and yep,
we will be talking about that affair. But in the show, Heather,
I give it thirty six twelve to the spring Box.
That's from Phil. Look, I'll tell you what I think.
The All Blacks, as I said, are going to take it.
But if the All Blacks take it, I think they
take it by a very slim margin. I think if
the spring Box take it, it's by a lot like

(14:59):
I think they'll just crush the all Blacks and run
away with it. No, I don't think that's gonna happen. Heather,
a very nervous all Black team is probably the most
dangerous rugby team in the world. Look Out it could
be thirteen plus to the Abies. I agree with that.
One news is next.

Speaker 14 (15:15):
Fuion cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen Drive where it's one New Zealand
coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
They'd be.

Speaker 15 (15:37):
So.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
But why do we give any credence to Matthew Housion?
His last meddling in the National Party led to the
failure of Todd Muller as it was great when he
picked Todd and Todd was rubbish, wasn't he anyway? But
we give credence to Matthew Housion because the Herald publishes him,
and we give credence to the Herald. Therefore it is
a little circle that we must complete. I've got some
great news for you. Auckland Transport has lost the power

(15:58):
of controlling Auckland's roads. It's going to go to Auckland Council.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
This is because the rest of the country is unaffected
by this. But you were affected by the general idea
behind it, which is that you have people who do
the roading stuff and they just dis and that's what
Auckland Transport like. They're just dicks. They'll go and they'll
just they'll just put a bus lane in the wrong place,
or they'll make your turn in that lane and you
can't do anything else, and they'll put it like you've
got to turn, but you have to like navigate five

(16:23):
thousand car parks to be able to turn, and in
the way it's a bus lane. And then they take
it to you as well. And when you go, guys,
that's unreasonable because all the teachers are trying to get
to the school, they just give you the middle finger
and laugh in your face. That's all cland Transport, you
know the people they everywhere.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
But we just took the.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Power away from Auckland Transport in Auckland. How good is that?
Wayne Brown's the guy behind it. He's going to be
with us after five twenty four.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Away from five, it's the world wires on newstogs 'by Drive.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
RFK Junior has had a grilling in the US Senate
over his vaccine policy clash with the CDC bosses. He
was asked if he accepts it one million Americans died
from COVID.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
You don't have any idea how many Americans died from COVID.

Speaker 10 (17:00):
I don't think anybody knows because there.

Speaker 16 (17:04):
Was so much datacare is coming out of and then
we'll take.

Speaker 17 (17:09):
You and these are model you know the answer of
how many Americas from COVID.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Jd Vance fired up on Twitter saying senators at the
hearing were full of shite. Also in the US, the
White House has confirmed Trump will rename the Department of
Defense to the Department of War. Is hinted at this before.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
As they got the Department of War.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
You know, we got the Department of Defense.

Speaker 15 (17:31):
But between us, I think we're going to change the name.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
You want to know the truth.

Speaker 12 (17:34):
I think we're going to have some information on that
maybe soon.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Now he wants the department's original name to encourage a
warrior ethos. And finally.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
We're going.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
He's been chosen as the host of a brand new
true crime show. Fox says they've picked thirty cent because
of his distinctive perspective. Now what they mean by that
is that he is a former crack dealer who has
been shot a few times, so he knows a little
bit about crime. The show is going to be called
Fifty Ways to Catch a Killer.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
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Speaker 3 (18:12):
Pretty two away from five and Jonathan Kurzy our US
correspondence with that's Hello, Jonathan.

Speaker 17 (18:17):
They were always good to talk to you and the listeners.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
So did Elon Musk not turn up to the big meeting?

Speaker 17 (18:22):
Invited but did not attend? Yes, the man who was
in charge of DOGE was invited to the tech get
together if you like. And the new look Rose Garden
which is effectively now a concrete garden if you like
that mimics more Marri Lago's background than the Rose Garden
of prior. But it was a tech meeting full of
the likes of Sam Altman from chatt It was full

(18:42):
of the likes of Mark Zuckerberg.

Speaker 16 (18:46):
The Google CEO.

Speaker 17 (18:47):
Was there, and Microsoft CEO was there. Bill Gates was
there but very notable absentee. And Elon Musk himself, the
man who was Donald Trump's right hand man is right
hand no longer?

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah too, right now, listen, this was this with the
Venezuelan fighter jets. I mean, this is this is a provocation.

Speaker 18 (19:01):
Is it?

Speaker 17 (19:02):
Well, this is this is actually really serious and it's
getting into a very serious situation.

Speaker 18 (19:06):
Earlier this week, we saw the Department of Homeland Security
essentially say it.

Speaker 17 (19:10):
Was in the US interests to fire on what they
said was a drug cartel boat. They killed eleven people
they said were gang members. It had supposedly come from Venezuela.
The Trump administration release footage of that strike on that
drug cartel boat, and they said the US President will
continue to track down them that in fact, Donald Trump
is pretty forceful himself on it. But today we've heard

(19:31):
from the US Department of Defense that says, just a
matter of hours ago to Venezuelan military aircraft flew near
a US Navy vessel that, yes, was in international waters.
But this is clearly a message that is being sent
by Venezuela to the US administration essentially trying to say,
you know, back off from our territory a little bit.
So you've got somewhat of a stand up here. But

(19:51):
the next move from the US administration is going to
be very very interesting. Indeed, the Department of Defense essentially
is saying that it strongly advised Venezuela not to pursue
any further effort to obstruct a to or interfere with
what they say cant arcotics and can terror operations carried
out by the US military. So, yes, a standoff between
the United States and Venezuela. Somewhat of an acceleration by

(20:15):
Venezuela in this not exactly conflict, but yes, a standoff
that is going to be raising concern over the coming days.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Now, can you explain to me why the US wants
to stop the Iranians from buying things at Costco?

Speaker 18 (20:29):
Ah, Yes, welcome to the World of United Nations High
Level Week, where not only has the US decided that
the Palestinian leader Makwuta bas is not welcome, but yes,
they are going to be restricting the movements of a
number of delegates will be making their way into the
United States for the UN week that is seen around
the world. And yes, the Iranians have been told that

(20:50):
they will not be able to go to shopping centers,
including mass outlets like Costco, So there'll be no giant
purchases of humus or olives or anything of the life
that you may be able to get at Costco. Maybe
they could get some barbecue wings. I mean, I don't
know how there. Maybe the United Nations would work better
if they all had a multicultural cookoff and decided to

(21:11):
ease the tensions with a multicultural food festival in New
York City.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Why why stops the point? Why stop them from going
to Costco?

Speaker 17 (21:19):
Well, because essentially they're trying to restrict their movements. It's
stopping them from it stopped. It's restricting their movements to
trying to keep them in the heart of New York
City itself, basically saying they can't go out, they can't
move around freely. They're here essentially for one purpose and
one purpose only, and that is to attend the United Nations.
They're not here to act as tourists. They're not here

(21:41):
to gather for catering functions. They're not here to you know,
live up the American lifestyle if you like. They are
here for official business, and that is the United Nations
High Level Week. It is a week that is taken
very seriously. It'll be held at the end of September,
from about the twenty second to the end of that week.
Donald Trump will speak on the Tuesday of that week,
it is expected and you will hear from a number

(22:01):
of world leaders. You can imagine Russia, Ukraine will be
a focus, so too. Willy's roll and gas have given
them so many nations, including one just across the sea
from you in Australia, have declared that yes, they will
be formally identifying Palestine as a as a nation. And
this has been to move by a number of Western countries.

(22:23):
So it is taken very very seriously. As I said,
the United States already barring of Palestinian officials from turning
up and now they're looking to bar Iranians from going shopping.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Thank you very much, Jonathan, appreciate it and enjoy your weekend.
Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent, eighteen away from five. So, yeah,
the senior doctors have taken the bait. Oh Golden bulls
laid them a trap. I just climb right on into
that trap. And I don't think they can see how
deep in that trap they are. So they have a
bit what I said yesterday that they had no option.
They had to say yes to final arbitration. They said

(22:56):
no to final arbitration. What this means. What this means
is that they were The option was that how long
has this paid negotiation been going on between the senior
senior doctors and Health New Zealand?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Is it a year?

Speaker 3 (23:08):
It's like a year, right, So finally they had an
option where Semina had gone to Health New Zealand, go
to arbitration and it will be binding and whatever the
arbitrators say, you're paying that money. Okay, what about you
senior doctors? And the senior doctors went nah, because this
would it was the best outcome for them because the
arbitrary the person sitting there at the arbitration is going

(23:28):
to be fair and reasonable, aren't they. They're going to go, oh, yep,
this offer or this offer. Now, will go with that offer.
But no, what did they decide to do. They're not
going to take Simi and Brown up on it and
instead they're going to strike. So they are playing silly buggers,
aren't they, or at least they appear to be. Anyway,
we'll have a chat to them the Union after five o'clock. Now,
Kate Middleton, it is a wig. I mean it clearly

(23:49):
is a wig, isn't it. Why are we playing this
game where it's not a wig? Because I don't know
if you've been watching on what's going on with Caate
Middleton's hair? But every time she pops out and says, oh,
look at how the media and the newspapers know, they know,
they're just they're just trying to hunt at it without
saying it because they don't want to get off with
the Royal family. So they're like, Kate Middleton deboos an
even lighter shade of her hair. Look at how blonde

(24:11):
she is, mate, That is a wig. I don't know
why that's a wig, but it is a wig. It's
got way too much volume, weigh, too much of a
color change, and then also the length is just off,
isn't it. Anyway? What is weird about it is even
though they are so unbelievably wealthy in the Royal family,
they have managed to get a wig person in who's
done such a shite job that it's obviously a wig. Anyway,

(24:35):
Go and look at it. Go google Kate Middleton wig
and tell me it's not a wig. Sixteen Away from
five Politics with Centrics, Credit, check your customers and get
payments certainty. Really weird, really weird theory about why Nichola
Willis is getting attacked as popped up in the media.
Today'll run you through that shortly thirteen away from five
and Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence with US.

Speaker 16 (24:54):
Hallo, Barry, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Heaven so boss, he's gone, Yes he is.

Speaker 19 (24:58):
He's not a great contribution to politics.

Speaker 16 (25:01):
I much what he done.

Speaker 19 (25:02):
Well, the only thing that I've done is been the
first non binary person that's entered the corridors of.

Speaker 16 (25:10):
Power and Parliament.

Speaker 19 (25:12):
And that's about it, because if you look at anything else,
there's no there's nothing, there's nothing that he has or
sheet sorry, they have done, and only to confuse.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Us about what you can call them, not trying to
be funny, you are the BSA comes. I've never heard
the right just when the BSA comes. And that wasn't
a joke, that was.

Speaker 16 (25:37):
Yeah, yes exactly.

Speaker 19 (25:38):
I mean totally confused about what you call them. So
they are going to give their final pledictory on September
the eighteen, help you out exactly, which I must really
tune in for because it will be absolutely fascinating. And
thank goodness, we've passed that era and let's hope nothing

(25:59):
more or comes of it or into Parliament as a
result of it. Anyway, The next person that'll come in
on the list for the Greens is a chap called
Mike Davidson from christ Church. Now, he was a SETI
counselor in christ Church for six years. He's not non binary,
he's a normal seems quite a normal fellow. He's got

(26:20):
an environmental science degree, so he's well suited to the
Greens and he'll be the next to be sworn in.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
He looks actually quite boring for the Greens.

Speaker 19 (26:30):
Well total after d Darlene Tana that Benjamin took over from.

Speaker 16 (26:36):
You know, now you've got this Mike Davidson.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Now, look, it appears to be quite clear that the
Greens have told Bussy to go right.

Speaker 19 (26:44):
Oh, I think probably yes, because he has been very embarrassing,
not just the fact that he's really done nothing since
he's been there, other than stood looking rather flamboyant in
the outfits that he tends to wear.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Okay, so can you update us on the Tamaki Makoto
by election.

Speaker 16 (27:03):
Well, it's incredible when you think about it.

Speaker 19 (27:05):
Tomorrow is voting day. Don't forget there are eighty four
places in the electorate that people can turn out to vote.
They've hardly been rushed off their feet in that electorate. Though,
when you consider that last night the latest count for
the forty four thousand registered voters in the electorate was
four nine hundred and thirty two, I think they're all

(27:28):
down at to Rangawai Wai. Watching the Queen's first speech
of the year that was all done in Mary, so
I watched it. It was seemed to be quite impressive,
but unfortunately, not being a.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Speaking of the language, the fact that she can speak
Marii fluently is actually something, right, because I don't think
her dad could.

Speaker 16 (27:46):
No, he couldn't. No, he couldn't. So yeah, I guess
that's something.

Speaker 19 (27:50):
But it would have been nice for her to give
us a bit of an English translation as well. It's
not for us, it's for Mary, and it's probably fair enough.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Matthew Howton then go.

Speaker 19 (28:00):
Oh, honestly, well, you know, I mean, Houghton has never
limited himself to simply commenting on politics. He's been involved
in politics with leadership. I mean the spill in twenty
twenty that saw Simon Bridges ousted by Todd Muller. Matthew

(28:20):
Houghton went on to work for Todd Muller as an advisor.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Going on to he was busy orchestrated.

Speaker 16 (28:26):
Well, yes he was.

Speaker 19 (28:27):
So he's a participant in it, and Goodness only knows
why he's seen as an impartial observer when he has
attacked most National leaders in recent years. They've been under
attack at one stage or another. And it's a bit like,
you know, any commentary of the sort. I doubt, well,
I have total doubt that anybody has ever told him

(28:48):
that Luxeon is about to be rolled, which is what
if you read his column you'd expect to happen next Tuesday.
I've talked to a number of people in the National Party.
They know that this unified party going into an election
year is one that will probably lose the election. And
I think they have discussed the polls in the caucus

(29:10):
meeting and they say, the people that I've talked to
that the polling they polled thirty eight percent at the
last election. They say they're polling showing them they've dropped
three percent, so they're not as bad as some polls
have been showing. But look, next year is the year,
and they'll be no doubt hoping this dark winter for

(29:31):
them will live cleared up and the economy will be
looking better.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Good stuff, Burial wrap the Political Week. It was later
with you just after quarter past six. Barry Soper, Senior
political correspondent. It's coming up eight away from five.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Of thirteen year unbeaten run.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
You're fifty consecutive test matches, run away and South Africa
want to end it?

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Speaker 1 (30:02):
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Speaker 3 (30:22):
Heather Houghton has lost the plot. I'm going to talk
about Houghton in the next half hour. Five away from
five now, Andrew Vance, this is the piece I wanted
to talk to about. Andrew Vance has written a piece
about Nichola Willis and pointed out that she's coming under
a lot of attack from the Taxpayers Union, which is true.
She writes. The message has been relentless Willis, the Taxpayers
Union says, has failed to rain in spending, borrowed more

(30:45):
than her predecessor Grant Robertson, hired more bureaucrats, and relied
on invented surplus measures, all of which is actually true,
it's unusual for a National Party minister to come in
for such sustained criticism from the scene to right group.
This is where it gets weird. Sources say the sustained
targeting is an effort to shore up Luckson's troubled leadership

(31:06):
by weakening what the group regards as the government's softest link,
Willis and her grip on the economy. Now, that is
the most bizarre theory because in order for this, it's
obviously bollocks, because in order for that to be true,
Luxon's office must have reached out to the Taxpayers Union
and gone, oh jeez, we're really worried about Luxon and
people hate him. Can you start having a crack at
Nicola because that will distract from Luxon and then maybe

(31:27):
if she goes it'll save him. What, no way, what
planet are you living on? That's never gonna like, that's
not real because if Nicola goes down, Luxon goes down
because their political fortunes are tired. But also also like,
come on, tell me you didn't think this is it
not ironic to have a piece written which is kind
of sympathetic to Nichola Willis for how much attack she's

(31:48):
under written by the journalist who called her the sea bomb.
Oh the irony of it. Today's a mental day in politics,
Like everybody lost their minds today, isn't it? Anyway, we'll
get stuck into it, got Wayne Brown speaking of losing
your minds. Wayne Brown has defunded AT and I've lost
my mind about that in a kind of good way.
I'm very pleased about that. And then the Union of

(32:09):
the Senior Doctors is going to explain to us why
they don't want to settle the pay dispute but would
much rather go on strike again. News Talks by.

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Speaker 20 (33:01):
Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Auckland Transport has been defunded and new law will strip
powers from AT and will hand control of roads planning
and big decisions back to Auckland Council. Auckland Transport will
then only be in charge of delivering public transport. Wayne
Brown is the Mayor of Auckland and with us high Wayne,
do you reckon? We'll get different decisions on roads.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
I think we will like what definitely will Well, just
a typical example, I write them asking for first east
west through the middle of the city, which is basically
Victoria Street, because it's kind of simple that to get
through from and it's I've got the opposite. There's a

(33:44):
set of lights just become up a Victoria Park to
the first intersection. You have to work thirty five seconds
for people that walk across, and then you get six
seconds on the road. And at the other end, when
you're coming from the other way towards from Elbert Street,
I'm up to the next one. They've gone to one

(34:10):
two turning runs, So if they go straight ahead and
got to wait till some person who's got my wrong
eye turning ahead of you. It's just simple things like
that which ask them to do differently, and they don't
don't do it, you know, they just don't listen.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
What about what about the road cone spin which came
in about sixty three million across a year, Will you
guys bring that down?

Speaker 5 (34:33):
Well? Not only is that, I think we're going to
work on the road cone industry of fairly resistance because
they make their money on the road caps and the
government have got the slightly change the rule so as well.
But the government aren't listening and we are working together
on more things than we ever have before them and
so and they fund have at as well in by cases,

(34:55):
so they jointly with me interested in getting costs down
h better first achieved by thinking we'll have to go
right across everything that they do.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
When is the kicking out.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
Well the good of parliament with better first achieve. That's
going to take a few months, but it's a committed
they can to get out of it now. The change
is coming. I don't think at wanted that at all.
They liked their independence.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
No surprise that. Hey, Wayne, just quickly on the housing density.
Whose side are you on, Chris Bishop or David Seymour's.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
Well, I'm looking at Chris Bishop. David seam has got
nothing to do. Is you're supposed to be reducing government
costs instead he's interfering in them. That's not welcome.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Thank you WAYE appreciate it, Wayne Brown, mayor of Auckland Ellen.
The Senior Doctors Union has declined the invitation to go
to binding arbitration and will instead vote to strike. The
union has accused the Health Minister Simeon Brown of breaking
the law by undermining their bargaining process, and is calling
on the Prime Minister to step in. Sarah Dalton is
the executive director of the Association of Salary Medical Specialists

(35:58):
and with.

Speaker 20 (35:59):
Us HI Sarah Kelder, Heather, why have you said no,
we don't want binding arbitration where our members will certainly
our executive don't want to give away our members right
to decide whether they settle or not in the bargaining process.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Would a binding an arbitration not be the best outcome
because you're gonna have somebody completely neutral sitting there looking
at what you want, looking at what the government is offering,
deciding which of the two is fairer, and then forcing
forcing Health New Zealand to stick to it.

Speaker 20 (36:29):
Yeah, the Minister signaled in his request that he didn't
see the numbers on the table or the pot of
money as being any different. And if that is the case,
and if Health New Zealand aren't interested in bringing more
money to the table, we certainly don't want to throw
our lot into that sort of a situation. We also,
we don't know there was no signal in the letter

(36:50):
about who the arbitrator will be, what the terms of
reference would be, what the rules of engagement where if
you like so. And we also don't believe that bargaining
has broken down. Just the day before the letter from
the minister, I was on the phone with Dale Bramley
talking about next steps and bargaining and what we both
thought it might take to get it, to get the
job done. We have subsequently received a letter back from
the Minister this afternoon just suggesting that we go back

(37:15):
to bargaining where we never left, and we're very happy
to do that.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
You realize how political this looks ay. I mean, here,
you've got this has been going on for a year,
You've got the opportunity to finally get a deal for
your members, but you choose to strike instead. Potentially, Plus,
in the media release in which you decline the arbitration,
you name check the Prime Minister in the first line.
Just looks political.

Speaker 20 (37:38):
Well, it is political. This government is refusing to fund
our health system appropriately they're refusing.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
But what I mean, Sarah and you guys look like
you're just taking a chance to make it difficult for
a right wing government.

Speaker 20 (37:50):
Oh, absolutely not. We would love nothing more than to
settle this agreement. That is what our members want. We
have moved. So when we put in our claim last year,
we had a claim that was around about twelve percent.
Health New Zealand eventually responded with an offer that's worth
about one percent per year to our members. Our members
have told us that's unacceptable. In facilitator bargaining. We came

(38:12):
up with a revised claim that would see our members
getting between about four and a half and seven and
a half percent depending where they sat, but the bulk
of them it would be closer to four and a
half percent. And Health New Zealand has refused to look
at that. They're still sitting on one percent.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
We have moved.

Speaker 20 (38:27):
We need Health New Zealand to move. If that's political,
that's what it is. But that's how bargaining works, right
And yes, we are balloting our members for strike action.
If we can get some movement, if we think there's
some progress, we will take that back to our members.
There will be no strike I mean, so it's absolutely
the ballers and Health New Zealand Court the governments who

(38:49):
are their funder.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Sarah, thanks very much. Sarah Dalton, Executive director of the
Association of salaried medical.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
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then you divide it by the available period for voting,
and then you divide it by the number of polling booths.
Guess how many votes were cast in each of those

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Allen II Heather, I am a surgeon and a member
of ASMS. That's the union. The Minister of Health is
both dishonest and disingenuous. Or you may feel like that,

(40:41):
but I don't know that. The public knows the details,
and they just see you striking for no good reason anyway,
we'll come back to this, or not for no good reason,
but striking when you were given the opportunity not to strike,
and you chose to strike anyway and disrupt people surgeries. Anyway,
we'll come back to it. Eighteen past five now, Benjamin
Doyle the Green MP is quitting parliament. Benjamin says they've
decided to leave after an onslaught of hate, vitriol and

(41:02):
violent threats ever since their Bible belt bussy Instagram account
hit the headlines earlier this year. Peter Dunn as a
former leader of the United Future Party and a political
commentator and with us Hi Peter Hi Heaver, do you
reckon this resignation was inevitable?

Speaker 13 (41:16):
I think it probably was, and I think it's probably
the best thing for Benjamin Doyle and the best thing
for Parliament. Actually, it removes a distraction, It removes Benjamin
Door from an environment in which he was clearly uncomfortable
and didn't fit, and I think it's just the best
outcome all round.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Really, do you reckon that it is as Benjamin has
framed it, that they've decided to leave, or is it
more likely that the Green Parties told them to leave.

Speaker 13 (41:40):
I suspect it's a bit of both. I suspect they
would have been not unhappy at his decision when it
was revealed to them. But as I say, best all around.
Having said that, what it does, of course was put
the onus back on the Green Party. They selected this
person in the first place, y responsible really for determining

(42:01):
their suitability to be in parliament, and they clearly failed.
And you know, it's part one more of a sort
of a litany of failures really that they've had during
this parliamentary term in that respect. So I think the
Green Party will need to do some pretty serious soul
searching about who it selects as candidates in the future,
the process by which it does that, and the sort
of the support it gives those people once they do

(42:23):
get into parliament.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Peter, can you think of another party that's had like
this many MPs just filter through in a short period
of time.

Speaker 13 (42:31):
No, No, this is unprecedented, and I think it goes
back to what I was just saying. I think people
were selected, I think for the Green Party list more
by the sort of the interest group that they represented
or the potential voter base that they appealed to, rather
than their suitability to serve as members of Parliament. And
I think you know, from the Goalri's Government incident, darnying Tana,

(42:54):
now the Benjamin Doyle incident, it's just been one thing
after another for them and it's not coincidence.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Completely bonkers, Peter, thank you as always, enjoy your weekend.
Peter Dunn, former United Future leader and political commentator. Now,
it is not a surprise that Bossy has quit on
the Friday before the big Test at Eden Park on Saturday,
which is what we are going to be talking about
on Sunday and Monday and Tuesday, and depending on how
the outcome goes, maybe even for longer. And that's a

(43:20):
very smart move from the Greens to put the resignation
today because come early next week, no one's going to
be chatting about it, you know that for damn sure. Anyway,
on the subject of the game, Kevin part form of
Springbox with us in about fifteen minutes. It's twenty past.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Five, hard questions, strong opinion, Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand tand of power of satellite mobile news dogs.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
D be.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Right sports Hudle is going to be with us shortly
before the end of this hour five twenty three. Let's
deal with the Houghton column. In his column for The
Herald this morning, Matthew Houghton writes that within weeks, Christopher
Luxon faces the likelihood of a delegation of MP's telling
him he has lost the confidence of most of the
National mp Houghton says it's down to either Christopher Bishop
or Erica Stanford, and that Chris Lucxeon should hand over

(44:06):
to one of them in a kind of managed exit
before Christmas. Now, I don't think Matthew Houghton's got much
credibility when it comes to the National Party leadership because
one of the last times there was a leadership coup
in the NATS, he was on the radio analyzing it
while on the quiet we later found out actually helping
orchestrate it. So it's very hard with Matthew to figure

(44:28):
out the difference between what he is seeing happen versus
what he is trying to create, if you know what
I mean. Having said that, it's you can't quite write
this off altogether, though, can you, Because it is not
beyond the realms of possibility that this may happen. Luxelon
is not popular. His popularity is so low it is
definitely dragging down the National Party's popularity. He makes mistakes

(44:49):
that better politicians would absolutely not make. The Amazon flub
this week, pretending he was in Tapooki when he was
actually in Hawaii, reusing his white tonguey speech claiming his
accommodation money, not answering Mike's question when Mike's asked the
same question about stacking Andrew Bailey for about three minutes straight. Now,
you and I would look at all of that and
still say it's a stupid idea to roll Luxon now

(45:10):
in his first term ahead of an election next year.
And we would be right if that's what we said.
But the National Party is not a rational being. It
doesn't have just one person sitting there deciding whether it's
the right time to swap leaders, kind of like a
chair of a board that doesn't happen. It's made up
of forty forty nine people who all have their own
ambitions and their own plans, who are going to do
what they want to do for their own interests right now.

(45:32):
I don't think it's a smart idea to roll Luxon now,
and I reckon the smart The smart operators who are
most likely to take over from Luxon will also see
it's not a smart idea to roll Luxon now. So
for that reason, I don't think it's going to happen now.
But sometimes, and Matthew Houghton knows this, Sometimes columns like
these however made up, they may be become self fulfilling.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Prophecies, Heather, duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Strikers, get your ringing urses back to work. You are opportunists, Heather.
Government employee unions should be banned. They are funded by
taxpayers after all. Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
This is why I think the I don't think I
don't think that the union has realized how much they
are being completely snookered by golden balls here because what
they've just you've heard that, You've heard the reports right
that are floating around that Judith Collins is busy thinking
about how she can ban strike action or limit strike
action in the public sector.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
So if the government ever does that, and we go,
why did you do that? Why shouldn't they be allowed
to strike, all they need to do is point to
this now and go look at this. This was going
on for a year, and we said, let's finally settle it,
let's have some final arbitration, and the union decided they
would much rather strike and disrupt all of your operations,
and when they do that, we will go, Actually, yeah, Judah,
that's a really good idea. Maybe you should do that.

(46:50):
So the union they just played right into Simeon's hands. Unfortunately,
did you know, just on something else, did you know
that you are not allowed to take batteries on planes?
When I said, I'm not talking about like like you're
lithium battery that you shove in your head trimmers and
like that guy, I'm not talking about. I'm just talking
about your double a's and your triple a's. You're not
allowed to take them on planes. And apparently at Auckland

(47:11):
Airport alone, that's not any other airport in this country,
just Auckland Airport. Every single day they take about four
hundred and seventy batteries away from us out of the
check luggage, and it's seventy percent of all of the items.
They tell these a little bit of this, a little
bit of that, and there's just seventy percent of them batteries.
And then what they do is they donate it to
charities who handed out to people who you know, I mean,

(47:32):
if you're poor, right, one of the first first things
you don't buy is the batteries anymore because they're expensive.
So they handed out to families who can't afford batteries anymore.
And apparently every single month they're basically donating the equivalent
of three large supermarket trolleys of batteries, which says to
me that I am not the only person who didn't
know you're not allowed to take the batteries on the plane.

Speaker 6 (47:52):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
We're going to have a chat to the people who
are removing them, the Civil Aviation Authority. They'll be with
us after six but Springbok formost and got Kevin part
with us next Bazarnie.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duples Clan
drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else
news talks.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Right now board Huddles standing by Heather. I didn't know
that either about the batteries. But about four years ago
I flew from Auckland to christ Church and then the
security check revealed I had some of my hand luggage
and the officer said I couldn't take them loose in
the plastic bag, So he got a latex glove that
they wear, and he put three batteries, one in each
of three fingers of the glove, and then tied a
knot on the glove and said they're safe now and

(48:40):
gave them back to me. So anyway, the point of
the story is you aren't allowed to put them in
your checked luggage, but you are apparently allowed to take
them in the hand luggage. But they're not allowed to
like touch each other. Not allowed to do that, Heather.
You can take batteries as long as they are and
carry on. So there you go. Who knew, well you
Apparently twenty four away from seven now day out from

(49:00):
the big match at Eden Park, it seems that we
are more nervous than we have been in a long
time about the AB's chances. Former Springbok and rugby commentator
Kevin patters with us Kevin.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
Welcome back, good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
AB's are going to win though, aren't they?

Speaker 6 (49:13):
Ha ha.

Speaker 11 (49:15):
If you've got me on to stir it up, then
you're one hundred percent right. I can't see how they
can win this game?

Speaker 6 (49:20):
What why?

Speaker 17 (49:24):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (49:24):
Look, it's Ardie's one hundredths.

Speaker 11 (49:26):
There's a lot of motivation, but if you look at
the selection of it, they've pulled in two guys.

Speaker 6 (49:30):
They've pulled in Esterbeth and peterstef to toy in the forwards.
It gives them about two hundred and fifty extra caps.

Speaker 11 (49:37):
We've pulled in a young lad Parker on the blindside
who's had two caps. And if you just look at that, yes,
and you look at further motivation, we're talking you know,
Eden park We've been such a flipping stronghold for thirty
one years, so you haven't won this since ninety thirty seven.
You want to talk about motivation. They're not looking at
nineteen ninety four as the last time, which New Zealand are?

Speaker 6 (50:00):
They're looking at ninety thirty seven. There's so much motivation
for these boys.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Okay, because I've been working off the assumption, which to
be fair, I stole from Jason Pine who put it
in my head. But I've been working off the assumption
that this means more to us because we have to
defend it right, whereas to them it's just another game.
But are you telling me actually it means just as
much to them.

Speaker 11 (50:19):
Oh Rassi has actually publicly stated that he's just looking
so forward to this because I mean.

Speaker 6 (50:26):
Go to further stats that sort of ruin all that is.

Speaker 11 (50:29):
They've won four games in a row at the moment
against us, so there's a lot that actually filters their way.
But you're one hundred percent right that there's a lot
to suggest we'd be willing to die for this. But
you've got to remember thirty one years ago, none of
these boys were you know, some of them went born
for goodness sake, So it's not as if that is
what carries them.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
It's the professional era.

Speaker 11 (50:50):
You know, they play for the jersey and the pride
of the country, Eden Park itself. Yeah, yep, it's a
great record, but it's going to be beaten at some
stage and I wouldn't be surprised if it's tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
How weak are we at half back?

Speaker 11 (51:02):
Oh look, it's not that we're weak. We've got one
of the best players. He's just not obviously available at
the moment. But I think you've got to look at
the tactics that we're playing with the halfback that we're playing,
and then you start to question it if we're going
to box kick and we you know, there was questions about.

Speaker 6 (51:20):
Iwani on the wing, et cetera.

Speaker 11 (51:21):
We've retained him, We've pulled in the half back, So
what have we done to.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
Fix the actual problem?

Speaker 11 (51:26):
So comparatively, it's not about specifically just the half back.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
It's the tactics we play versus the strength of our team.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Okay, so if raise if we do lose, which I
think you're wrong about, but let's just say that we do.
How much how much troubles razoring?

Speaker 6 (51:41):
No, no, no, no, no, We've.

Speaker 11 (51:43):
Got a you know, I'd love to say we've got
a very honorable team.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
You know that puts this is the best team. Whoever
wins this game goes to number one ranking in the world.

Speaker 11 (51:51):
So it's not as if we're you know, saying, oh goodness,
you've lost to you know, Japan or something of the sort.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
This this is.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
The equipment, mate, I'm off it. You know, he will
have lost a game that hasn't been lost at Eden
Park since nineteen thirty seven.

Speaker 6 (52:07):
In New Zealand public.

Speaker 11 (52:08):
We've got a terribly negative New Zealand public.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
I tell you you asked the boys that come over.
I've got a lot of family overseas that come here.

Speaker 11 (52:16):
It's hard to watch a game in New Zealand because
there's some arrogant devils in that crowd.

Speaker 6 (52:20):
So don't worry about that. It's not about the crowd.

Speaker 11 (52:23):
It's really about what the expectations are. And this is
a tough game. We're not expected to necessarily win it.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Okay, so call it for me. What's the score?

Speaker 6 (52:33):
I reckon it's eight points by South Africa?

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Okay, Kevin, thank you appreciate it. Kevin part rugby commentator
form of Springbock twenty one away from six.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
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Speaker 12 (53:00):
Love the old foes South Africa. When the Rugby World Cup,
he races it over the touch.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Line and the trek Bob from.

Speaker 12 (53:10):
Ten points down come back and beat the old Blakes
Benny one twenty seven and I'll take it out of
touch and for the first time and simmy five years
the All Blacks blumpos right, turn their old phones.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Right on the sports tuddle with us this evening. Who've
got Paul Allison News Talk ZB rugby commentator, Andrew Ordison
News Talk ZB sports reader lu two right, who wants
to go first? Who wants to go first? And agree
with me that the All Blacks are winning? Nobody?

Speaker 7 (53:50):
That's everything is that.

Speaker 15 (53:52):
I'm breathing deeply. I'm breathing deeply here hither because I've
been a nudge and Tina and watched the All Blacks
where they were out powered, outpaced, didn't have the precision
or the passion that the Argentinians did, but they had
a couple of weeks to think about it. And I
do believe, despite what Kevin said, that the adisav factor
will be a motivating one for the All Blacks. And

(54:12):
it didn't work for Cody Taylor and Buenos Airis, but
I think it might at Eden Park. This one here
is an absolute mouth ordering prospect. It's on a knife edge.
I think the South Africans come and probably his favorites
in this match, and everyone's minds apart from the tab
who've got the All Blacks installed as pretty warm favorites.
But I don't know. It's the All Black back line

(54:35):
just needs to function and it hasn't this year. We've
talked with Razor and he's talked about the entertaining, wide ranging,
high speed match that the All Blacks want to play,
but they haven't really executed that. Let's hope they can
do it tomorrow night. But I really think it'll go
right down to the wire.

Speaker 7 (54:50):
Alders On of a similar thought band, really I think
it could go down to the wire. I mean I'm
fascinated by the psychology of it. Just hearing Rassi Arsthmus
gathering on the praise this week about the similarities between
the sides, et cetera, and yeah, praising the All Blacks
to the nth degree may be weary. I was impressed
with hearing Ethan de group today speaking about saying of

(55:12):
the All Blacks describing some of the what they've been
preparing with the eight versus ten and scrum packs. There's
a lot of history on the line here. I mean
if you think back to ninety on eighty four, but
also as Kevin part was referring to there nineteen thirty
seven for South Africa. I'm really concerned about the All
Blacks discipline that we've seen in recent times and yellow cards,
et cetera. But Eden Park it's quite the fortress. We've

(55:34):
heard that phrase use a lot this week. So yeah,
I think I haven't looked forward to a test as
much as as probably the World Cup final.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Yeah too, right now, Paul, do you reckon Kevin's right
that actually there it's hard to watch a game with
us because we have a lot of, as he says,
arrogant devils in.

Speaker 15 (55:47):
The crowd well, I don't know about arrogant devils. You
always get passionate fans wherever you go. I've seen that
in Argentina. I saw it in South Africa live last year.
You do get the passionate supporters. Crowd does get behind
the local team. I don't think they're any worse than
anywhere else in the world though, to be fair, but
the one thing that the All Blacks have to do
in this match, despite what the crowd's going to do,

(56:09):
is they have to be accurate in the air and
they haven't been this year. They kick too deep, they
take the pressure off the opposition by doing so, and
they haven't been accurate enough and a whole range of
aspects of their game, and that's what they need to
tighten up tomorrow if they are going to be in
with a chance. Because the spring box we know, the big,
the powerful, we talk about the bomb squad, But the
bench that the All Blacks have tomorrow, it looks pretty impressive,

(56:31):
particularly in the forwards. It's the back so worried me,
not so much to forge. I think that'll be a
very even contest.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Interesting or I might be getting a little bit ahead
of my skis. But if we do lose. How much
trouble is Raisin.

Speaker 7 (56:44):
I think you've got to stick with raising through to
the next World Cup. I mean others have been stuck
with it in that parody and fostered seen Hands game
Henry Game, Henry given a second shot after losing a
World Cup. I think Robinson's got to be persevered with
otherwise it's too much of a need reaction. It's more
than just Robertson. Yes, he's the architect behind the plan,
but it's the players out they're doing. Is the coaching

(57:05):
staff as well, They've all got to cop it.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 15 (57:08):
Here's a theory for you. Here's a theory for you, Heather,
because I think if you look back to me in
Foster's time, when he got under real pressure, he changed
his assistance or his assistant Scott changed, whether he did
it or whether it was from powers above him. And
then you saw Joe Smith come in, you saw Jason
Ryan come in. I just wonder whether it's Scott Hansen
is under a bit of pressure there and and also

(57:30):
Jason Holland in that back combination of the coaches, because
that's the area that the All Blacks haven't performed well
in this year, and I think they might come under
more pressure than what Razor will if they lose.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Well, who do you call in because because Joe Schmitt's overseas.

Speaker 15 (57:44):
Yeah, well I'm not I don't know what the answer is,
but and it might not be an immediate one, but
they're going to have to fix some of the problems
pretty quickly, I think.

Speaker 9 (57:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Interesting, all right, lads, will take a break, come back
to you shortly quarter.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
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Speaker 3 (58:00):
You're one of a kind, right, you're back with the sports. Hello,
got Andrew Orderson and Paul Allison Paul the Warriors?

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Right?

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Is it all over? Or is this still the tiniest,
tiniest chance if, as Piney says, we can avoid the Panthers.

Speaker 15 (58:14):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I guess we'll have to wait
and see what happens tonight and over the course of
the weekend. They need a win to get some momentum
going end of the playoffs. They're going to end up
in the fifth or sixth and then it just depends
on who they end up playing after that because there's
a whole lot of combinations and permutations around that. It
could be the Panthers, it could be the Roosters, it
could even be the Dolphins depending on where they end up.

(58:36):
But a win tonight will certainly boost their confidence after
that lost last week. They've only made one change. But
when it comes finals time, as we know in sport,
anything can happen.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Yeah, I mean orders maybe after the blind that Rhys
Walsh played last night, what we all need to do
is drink out of the toilet bowl.

Speaker 7 (58:55):
Well, yeah, it depends out theirsdr isn't it.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
I suppose Jesse of risk, have you thought about what
a risk that boy took believing that the plumber hadn't
hadn't done a pitole in it already?

Speaker 7 (59:06):
Well, maybe he's seeing that there's electrolytes and need that
none of us know about. He's saying about muscle recovery,
and he's he's still lied on game day though, to
be fair to him, Yeah, and I mean, I'm I'm
deaciated by how Michael McGuire. I thought mcgui handled up
pretty well, to be honest, because it's a bit of
a challenge. He's got god to really exercise his man
management skills. There and because Walsh is a fairly loose.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Unit really, isn't he?

Speaker 5 (59:30):
Though?

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Do you know what we need more of?

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Paul?

Speaker 6 (59:32):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
It's a kind of controversial take, but I reckon we
need more of this in rugby, of these guys who
just do a bit of wacky things that make us
laugh and want to watch the game.

Speaker 15 (59:40):
Yeah, toilet Human are at its best, doesn't it? Really?

Speaker 5 (59:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (59:44):
I mean it's one of those things that's called the
media attention. It's probably a bit away from sport, but
I know that certain countries in the world, I wouldn't
be going anywhere the unel.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Tolet No too right?

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Okay, now, Paul, what's going on with Liam Lawson? What
are you reading into this?

Speaker 15 (01:00:00):
I think it's too early to tell. I mean you're
going into this weekends at Monza and it's only what
race sixteen out of twenty four? Long way to go.
I think he'll still be back with either the Racing
Bulls or Red Ball next year. I don't think you've
got a Red Bull seat. But Isaac Hager, who's been
the French twenty year old who's been an outstanding form.

(01:00:20):
I just feel Liam Rawson hasn't had any luck this year.
I mean, he just seems to just get the wrong rubber,
the green. We saw it last weekend as well in
the Netherlands, and he just needs a bit of luck
on his side.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
I think he'll still be there.

Speaker 15 (01:00:34):
I mean he's sitting fifteenth in the Driver's Championships and
Haja sitting tenth overall, but that he can get a
bit of confidence and a bit of momentum and a
bit of good luck. You know, it's still a long
way to go in this Formula One season.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
You know, for his age orders, he's actually remarkably I
feel like mature about what's happening, don't you think?

Speaker 7 (01:00:52):
Oh absolutely, And I think I don't want to get
too cool by arms, but just to even get a
second season in Formula One at all, and I think
he'll stay with racing bulls, that's a fine achievement in itself.
I mean, that's the stabithy. I also think even to
get named as the Statin's teammate, there's an element of
poison chalice about that in terms of who gets the
lion's share of resources. But as Paul says, I mean,
had you he's a mercurial, instinctive he's a fine driver,

(01:01:15):
a real talent and you know, just I think I
think also has done pretty well. To be honest, he
started to get at least he started to get some
points together, a bit of evidence to show what a
talent he is as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Listen to all this, can I just ask you, are
you surprised that the Black Sticks have beaten the Aussies
and the Oceania Cup.

Speaker 7 (01:01:32):
Yeah, I was quite surprised she that. You know, Australia
ranks five in the middle of the moment, New Zealand tenth.
But I watched some of that game this morning. I
thought they were quite compelling. I mean, grace a Hannon
and goal particularly woman of a match on that occasion.
But also it was a sharp chance that Olivia Shannon
took to school that goal in the close quarter stuff.
And yeah, good on them. It's a it's a great

(01:01:52):
you know, putting themselves now in contention with a couple
of games to go to maybe go on to the
World Cup next year.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Yeah, that's where we can transfer our emotions, Paul, isn't
it if we feel disappointed by the Warriors and the
All Blacks, just start, you.

Speaker 15 (01:02:04):
Know, don't be such a doubting Thomas just yet. I
mean the All Blacks could, when the Warriors could win,
the sun will come up Sunday morning. Yeah, the women
are doing well.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
The men they are.

Speaker 15 (01:02:13):
Always going to struggle. They've never won the OCE, only
a cap in the whole twelve series that have been
played before for the men. The woman have won four
out of the eighth and so it was a bit
of a surprise to see New Zealand win. But still
two more games left in that series, so we'll see
how they get on. Hopefully the Woman can do it.
Hopefully the Warriors can do it and go the All
Black So I'm pracking them. But three, Heather, are you all?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
I like that? What about you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Orders?

Speaker 7 (01:02:34):
Well, I'll take them by two. I think something might
be twenty one nineteen you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Guys, geez, stop all of your optimism and your positivity
and your confidence. Guys, thanks very much. Paul Allison Andrew Ordison,
our sports head of this evening, had away from six.

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Speaker 6 (01:02:54):
Be here the Wall.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
She said on air that he installed the toilet himself.
Oh whatever, do you think, how much do you think
that man is paid? Do you think that he installed
the whatever? He just said that because he got busted,
because he feels bummed out. He's like, oh, I didn't
think of the fact that the plumber might have taken
away in it. Heather, my niece, works for the Broncos,
and I asked her this week if Reeswalsh has his

(01:03:18):
eyebrows plucked and died, and she said for sure. Now,
if you got a one hundred percent, Fiona, you are
bang on. Go and have a look at a photo.
Look at a photo of Reese Walsh like a few
years ago, and his eyebrows worked like a nice shade
of brown, but they were brown and now it's like
two black slugs sitting on his face. He is definitely
he has got eyebrow game. And also, Fiona, go back

(01:03:38):
to your niece and ask your niece if she thinks
that he gets the botox, because I'm going to put
it to you that Rees gets the botox because his
eyebrows have got a fresh arch to them that they
didn't have before. And I'm not judging him because a
bit of tos on the face is a good look
and a lot of guys are getting into it, So yeah,
there you go. Guess what our friends it read do
your New Zealand have been doing? The Taxpayers Union has

(01:04:01):
done a little lowia. Bet you didn't expect to get
this OIA, did you are in Z? Asked how many
times they've been streaming the Netflix while they're at work? Well,
in the last three months, which is the last ninety
days or so, how many times do you reckon?

Speaker 20 (01:04:17):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
How many times do you reckon that are in Z
funded by you and I the taxpayer? How many times
do you reckon in three months they have streamed Netflix
while at work. Bet you didn't guess eight hundred and
thirty two times, did you? That's quite a lot. There's
a lot. I mean, I don't care how many staff
there are. That's eight hundred and thirty two times too

(01:04:38):
many because we're paying you to do your job anyway.
So I checked with somebody who knows things about the
r in Z and they were like oh, because I
was like, oh, it might just be a security guard,
you know, sitting there overnight, and they were like, no,
it's staff sitting in the office. They just watch Netflix
because they haven't got enough work to do so anyway,
I love that for you and I do you love
that too? You know what, isn't it lovely to know

(01:05:00):
that you're funding some kid's ability to watch Netflix on
the clock?

Speaker 15 (01:05:04):
Yay?

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Anyway, She'll move on to happier subjects. Yes, we shall
batteries on planes.

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Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Even in Coming up in the next hour, Peter Lewis
is going to give us his take on that big
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political week that was, and Gavin Gray will come out
of the UK for us right now to seven past
six now. It turns out one of the most frequently
confiscated items at airports is in fact batteries. At Auckland
Airport alone, four hundred and seventy are taken away every
single day, and by the end of a month they

(01:06:08):
will sometimes have as much as three supermarket trolleys full,
which are then donated to people who need them. Warwick
Civil Aviation Authority GM of Aviation Security and with us.

Speaker 6 (01:06:18):
Hey Warwick, sure, Heather, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
I'm well, thanks mate. Let's get the rules right. So
you cannot put the batteries into the check and luggage.
You can take them in the hand luggage, but you
have to keep them separated from each other. They cannot
touch each other. Is that correct?

Speaker 21 (01:06:33):
By and large, that's correct. So there's a range of rules,
but in general batteries need to go on carry on luggage.
As you've said, they need to be properly packed rather
than floating around loose in the bag.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
There is a bit to it.

Speaker 21 (01:06:48):
The best thing for passengers to do is get on
our website aviation dot gov top endz and that provides
all the sort of rules that they need to know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Okay, so do you think that the reason you're taking
so many of them away is because we don't know
the rules?

Speaker 21 (01:07:05):
A lot of it. I've got to say, though, passengers
have an opportunity to learn the rules. So when they
check in, if they go to a you know, a
kiosk to check in, they're always asked the questions do
you have in your bag any of these things?

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
Abc D, you don't read that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Do you read that? I don't read that.

Speaker 21 (01:07:22):
I do because but but I know the business. Being honest,
I probably didn't pay a lot of attention before I
actually work for c but it is important that passengers
pay attention. And of course, where there's not an automatic
check in chios, generally staff will ask that when people
check in their backs.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Well maybe I have been asked.

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
Maybe anyway, I think you probably have.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
There's your chance tell us everything we're not allowed to take.

Speaker 21 (01:07:49):
So really pretty much, I mean clearly, where you know,
explosive devices, weapons, all those sort of things, there are
no go. But if we're talking about batteries and so
it's sort of we've got a security expectation, you know.
So that's around things that you would think are sort
of those terrorist type of threats. So obviously we're looking

(01:08:12):
for those and both checked in and carry on baggage.
But then, as you pointed out at the start of
this interview, a lot of our work ends up being
around batteries, and it's passengers just taking a range, whether
they be power banks, a AA batteries, triple A batteries,
CESELL batteries, D batteries, cigarette vapes, earbuds, you know, have

(01:08:35):
a battery system in there, and so people put them
in their in their holdstove baggage or you know, their
check and baggage, and of course when we become aware
of it, for safety reasons, we need to take those out.
And if we talk about the safety reasons, it's really
because across the world, at different times, some of these

(01:08:59):
items have over heated and then they've started a fire
in the hold of the aircraft, and of course once
the aircraft is in flight, no one can do anything
about that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Yeah, so somebody's the reason why somebody's asked E bike batteries,
what about them? But because they're rechargeable, you can't chuck
them in the check and.

Speaker 21 (01:09:15):
A correct exactly. And because they are a big battery,
so they are a real risk. And actually many of
the bike batteries for e bikes actually way too big
to even go in the cabin. So people who are
traveling overseas will have to either and carrying their bike
with them either have to hire one when they get

(01:09:36):
to their place of arrival or buy a separate one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Good to know, Hey, are you guys going to relax
or have a look at the rules around taking your
shoes off at the airport.

Speaker 21 (01:09:48):
I mean, we're always mindful of what happens around the
world and different things. So actually we don't have a
rule in New Zealand around taking shoes off. We have
a rule around taking boots off above the ankle, so
people can go through with shoes no problem. But ankles
are a little bit different.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
Yeah, And are we going to read because the US
is now you don't have to take your shoes off
at all, right, so are we going to look at
that again?

Speaker 21 (01:10:13):
Like I say, we're always mindful of what's happening around
the world and reviewing the risk and then deciding whether
it's something that we should or should not be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
What is the risk? Do you think we're shoving knives
down there or something?

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
There is a risk?

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Aren't you scanning that out of us? We come through
the little scanner py people if there's a knife.

Speaker 21 (01:10:31):
Yeah, So the scan is an interesting bit of equipment.
It doesn't scan below the skin and so in effect,
if you're wearing a skin over the top of your ankle,
so boots, most of them are leather, which in effect
does animal skin, so it cannot see what's under there.
And of course, there's a size of a laria in

(01:10:51):
many boots above the ankle, you know, right up to
obviously boots that a lot of women wear over winter, right.
I don't know that a loss of weoos work some
some just the Hussies some maybe I'm going back twenty
odd year.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Yeah, pretty woman stars. Hey what about the liquids, because
I see the EUSACS the liquids rule. Are we going
to do the same thing?

Speaker 21 (01:11:14):
Yeah, So again, that's a very interesting thing for us.
We're always keeping an eye on what's happening with the
rest of the world. We do have to have the
appropriate equipment for that, so there is a lot to it.
It's not a simple or were just going to relax
the rules. We have to have the ride equipment that
enables us to safely screen a larger amounts of liquids.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Yeah all right, Hey Warwick, listen, thanks for talking us through.
I appreciate it, Warwick. But I reckon, I reckon Waricks
from af SEC by the way, Civil Aviation Authority. I
reckon after this, the number of batteries confiscated and going
to drop right off, because now we know Li and
David Seamo's got himself in trouble on the road, So
stand by and I'll run you through that. Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Heather, I was on an Air New Zealand flight to
Fiji last year that encountered a burning electronic smell above
our heads. We were in the middle of the Pacific.
The stuff can be scary. Absolutely. This is what's happened
with David Seymour. So a guy has posted on Readit
that he was driving on State Highway one in Auckland,
the motorway, and he had he had a loon tailgating him,
and he sort of, you know, gave it a tap
of the jandle to give the luna bit of space. No,

(01:12:34):
the loon kept on tailor you know, the lun is
David in the story. Loon keeps on tailgating him. So
finally at the first opportunity and this chap sitting in
the right hand lane, the loon gets the chance, goes
into the left hand lane, takes off. Unfortunately it's the
act party cards branded all the pink and stuff. It's
David Seymour. And then the chap says, then the loon
being David then starts, you know, tailgating other people up

(01:12:56):
the road and stuff as well. Anyway, he's put, he's put,
and then he films by the way this chap is filming,
he films that he's going at one ten. So it
was just to say David's doing like I reckon they
good one thirty. He's definitely breaking the breaking the rules
there anyway. Problem for this chap is, yeah, he's filming
in the car. He's filming. You're not allowed to do that, mate,

(01:13:18):
So now we have to choose who's worse. And also
you're sitting in the right hand lane. Nobody likes you,
Like David's irritating for breaking the rules, but you are
worse for sitting in the Yeah, And I think I've decided, No,
this guy's worse than David, isn't he Like David's gone
one thirty. Look, I'm not saying it's okay, but sitting
in the right hand lane and filming is a thousand
times worse. A yes, I think so six eighteen. Right,

(01:13:41):
let's wrap the political week that was with senior political
correspondent Barry Soaper. Welcome back, Barry, Thank you ever, nice
to see you again. So yeah, I still think that
the reason that the Marty Party apologized was because they
are trying to be a little less weird so they
can maybe governed next year.

Speaker 16 (01:13:57):
Well, they're trying to win the seat, aren't they.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
I think, I don't think it's about the by election,
it's about next year's election.

Speaker 19 (01:14:03):
Well, you know, I mean they're not going to win
the by election anyway. Penny Henard is going to win that,
and I think quite comfortably. Don't forget there was only
forty two votes in the last election and they were
questionable anyway. So I think, you know, Kuyper is not
going to have a show there, and neither she should.

(01:14:23):
She doesn't even know how parliament works, and certainly Penny
Henader does, and he was a good candidate. There is
a good mp nice guy, and you know he'll go back,
I think, triumphantly for the Labor Party, which is now
interesting because they'll, no doubt right much more into his
win there than they deserve to, and that they will

(01:14:46):
see it's a good sign for the next year's election.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
So if he wins, how long before he challenges Chippy?
Seeing as it's all about COEs today.

Speaker 19 (01:14:54):
Well, you know, like I've said to you this week
that Penny Henade has seen himself as a leader of
the Labor Party. And I know that for a fact
that he has certainly had aspirations to lead the Labor Party.
He hasn't put them to the test yet. Who knows
further down the track.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Now, do you think the National Party is going to
move at some stage on the Paris Accord.

Speaker 16 (01:15:18):
No, not the side of the election.

Speaker 19 (01:15:20):
And you know, and I don't think they should either,
even though you know we're spending far too much money
to abide by the rules of the accord. I think
we should lessen that, pull back a bit, stop planting
farms into forestry. And you know, New Zealand's emissions are

(01:15:41):
so small compared to other countries, and other countries like
those who have signed the accords, like China and India,
and the US is now out of it. But they're
the big polluters and they're not doing a great deal anyway.
So look this accord is not essentially worth. The paper
was written on, don't forget we had those cop meetings

(01:16:03):
before that. And I've seen so many international meetings in
my time, and they make these great, grand promises about
what's going to happen. None of them eventuate. And that
goes right back to ninety four in the bog Or
Trade Agreement that certainly the aspirations of that. Only one
leader was left at the time that was meant to

(01:16:24):
kick in in twenty ten, and that was the Sultan
of Brunete.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Listen, you know, I was just thinking then, speaking of National,
it's actually been a really tough week for National, for
the top guys in National, hasn't it. You had You've
got the Hooton column this week suggesting that Luxeon has
to be rolled and even if it is nonsense, it
kind of plants the seed. Then you had the Neil
Quigley resignation last week, which has caused all kinds of

(01:16:48):
questions about Nicholas involvement. That's kind of hart like, they
haven't had a great week at all.

Speaker 19 (01:16:51):
No, well, they haven't had been had a great time
in government. When I think about it, that there was
no it was a baptism afar.

Speaker 16 (01:17:00):
It's an old cliche, but.

Speaker 19 (01:17:02):
You know, really to expect them to turn a ship
around in a relatively short time and for us to
see the benefits of that, I think we're expecting too much.

Speaker 16 (01:17:14):
And next year I think.

Speaker 19 (01:17:16):
Will in terms of the economy, be a much better
the year than what we've experienced so far, and that's
what they'll be hoping. But I think their hope is
in fairly serious. It's a serious contention that in fact,
that will happen next year.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Do you still feel sorry for Neil quickly?

Speaker 16 (01:17:35):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 19 (01:17:36):
I think he signed he signed a confidentiality agreement with
Adrian Or. Adrian Or was obviously an extraordinarily difficult man
to deal with, not party to that agreement, where of
course Nikola Willison co and they can say, and Treasury
and they can say what they like about it. But
Quigley and Or were sworn to secrecy. So you know,

(01:17:57):
I think the punishment that's been meted out to them,
or too quickly in particular, is quite harsh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
I don't think that Winston Peters has actually got enough
credit for changing his mind, changing your mind. This is
on the wealthy, the foreign investors are changing your mind
in Polysicus is a bloody hard thing to do.

Speaker 19 (01:18:14):
He hasn't changed his mind. Hither the band still remains
in place.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
No, he has not talking.

Speaker 16 (01:18:18):
About the bat about the band.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Don't say that, Bob Cat Barry. True, the band remains.
But he has admitted it was too blunt and he's
done a carve out and that's difficult and.

Speaker 19 (01:18:32):
Pology, oh he has. I think one thing you can
say about Whinston. He is a pragmatist. And when a
country like ours is looking for investment, as we most
certainly are, I think he made the right move and
that'll count for him the next year's election. I think
to show that he does bend under certain pressure, and

(01:18:53):
the pressure was great. If we want foreign investment, for
goodness sake, we've got to be able to allow them
to buy house here.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Enough, Barry, thank you very much, Barry So for senior
political correspondent rapping the political week, that was Heather So.
The driver who was complaining couldn't follow the basic keep
left for all I know is that's the worst day. Well,
somebody said, The Germans said to me, ah, but but
David was tailgating. I put that one to you tailgating
versus hogging the right lane, which is worse hogging the
right lane. That's why we're tailgating. Six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
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Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Talks V Peter Lewis is going to be with us
shortly right now at six twenty six, And I got
some show Bus news for you. So they're filming a
movie about Michael Jackson right now. It's a biopic and
they've got one of Michael's nephews playing him, Jafar Jackson,
and Coleman Domingo is playing the Jackson father. Now, I'm

(01:19:54):
told that he's the hot guy with the mustache from
the Four Seasons. I haven't watched the Four Seasons, but
if you have, you know who I'm talking about. So
he gave an interview where he said that Michael's daughter,
Paris Jackson, was being super helpful on set and giving
her thoughts and ideas to help shape the film, and
that was totally cold. Everything was fine there until Paris
responded and said on her Instagram, don't be telling people.

(01:20:14):
I was helpful on the set of a movie. I
had zero percent involvement in Lowell that is so weird.
And she said she gave the studio notes about how
the script was dishonest, but apparently they didn't make any
changes and that really upset her. And you might be thinking, well,
how's the film gonna deal with the legal troubles that
Michael got himself into towards the end of his life

(01:20:35):
and also the issues that he went through with his
father or Paris followed up with a video that might
give some insight. The film panders to a very specific
section of my dad's fandom that still lives in the fantasy,
and they're gonna be happy with that. So it looks
like the movie might just skip over all of that
bad stuff and focus on the happy good times of
Michael's life. The movie is called Michael, and it will

(01:20:55):
be coming out next year, so keep your eyes out
for a trailer soon. I would say, Heather, I loved
listening to that airport guy. Genuine key. We concerned about
doing a thorough job, not those glib pr types. Please
can we hear more from those types? Do you know
what we all agree with you on this? Show, and
that is that is going straight into the production notes.
Thank you for that tip. News is next and then
as I say, we're off to talk about G's parade.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Server, got Kevin Gray out of the UK for US
in ten minutes. Time to let your building. By the way,
is today announced its slashed what the CEO there gets paid.
The base salary is down. It was two point full mill,
it's now down to one point five and the total

(01:22:03):
maximum pay, which will obviously be base salary plus the
bonuses and blah blah, that's gone from seven point eight
mil down to five point eight And what it means
is basically that a greater proportion of the package is
now made up of performance based incentives, which is probably wise,
don't you think, because that's ultimately what you want. What
you want from them, You want them to do well
and you want them to be incentivized by the money.

(01:22:23):
Twenty three away from seven now. Peter Lewis Asia Business
Correspondents with US. Hello Peter, Hello Heather Okay, so we
have all the whole world had a look at the
goose stepping and the drones and the nukes and the
whole lot that was going on at the parade. What
was the point of making us look at that?

Speaker 9 (01:22:40):
Well, Jijinping is sending out a clear message here, which
is that China may be the second largest economy in
the world, but it's not happy with that. It's not
just going to stick with being a large economy. It
fully intends to be a global power and a large
military power as well. Now this is very much in

(01:23:00):
contrast to, for example, Japan. When Japan develops economically in
the nineteen sixties and seventies and then eventually in the
eighties became the world's second largest economy, it had no
intention of developing militarily, and that was partly because of
its constitution that was imposed upon it wouldn't allow that.

(01:23:20):
But also it didn't want to be a diplomatic power either.
It wasn't looking to change global institutions. It was quite
happy to sell you walkman's and video recorders and motor
cars and stick with that. Well, China is not going
to stick with that at all. It's making it very clear.
Not only does it has the capability of defending its

(01:23:43):
own sovereignty, not only is it going to be a
big regional power across Asia, but it wants to be
a global power as well, and one that can challenge
the US. Now, despite all that military hardware that you
saw being paraded through Beijing, and that is only what
we were allowed to see, I'm sure they have a
lot more impressive stuff behind that. They are a long

(01:24:06):
way from being able to challenge the US and project
that power globally. I mean, the US has military bases
all over the world, including several right on China's doorstep,
in Japan, in South Korea, in the Philippines. China has
just one base around the world. That's in Djibouti in

(01:24:27):
East Africa, or the only one that it admits to.
There is suspicions that it has one in Cambodia and
maybe one in tagic Stant but it's a long long
way behind the US. So at the moment this is
for show, but it's Hijinping sending out a very important
message here and particularly to the US.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
What did the Chinese population think of the images of
Jiji pangnicks to Putin and Kim Jong run.

Speaker 5 (01:24:53):
Well.

Speaker 9 (01:24:53):
It's very unusual for them because they don't see Kim
jongan very often. He's very rarely in Beijing, and he's
certainly never seen in this sort of public gathering. It's
the first time that those three leaders, Vladimir Putins, Jijingping,
Kim jongung have been seen together in public. The Chinese
population know very little about what goes on across the

(01:25:15):
border in North Korea because it's also secretive. It's not
only secretive to us, it's secretive to the Chinese population
as well. But the very clear message that Jijinping is
trying to craft here a domestic consumption is that he
is a global leader, and leaders from all over the
world want to come to these events in China and

(01:25:38):
be seen with him and to develop relationships with China.
There are more than twenty global leaders there. There were
six of them from Southeast Asia alone, So he's projecting
there his image of having the most influence out of
all of the global leaders in the Southeast Asian region,
which is a very important economic zone. So this is

(01:26:00):
very much for domestic consumption, projecting him as being a
global leader, not just the leader of his country and
taking his country forward into its rightful place in the world,
and the way he sees it is that he wants
he wants the China to have a big say in
the way in which the world is run and in

(01:26:21):
some of those global institutions that were previously set up
by the US after the Second World War, like the IMF,
like the World Bank and so on.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Peter, what's going on with this global bond sell off?

Speaker 6 (01:26:35):
Yes, well, this is interesting.

Speaker 9 (01:26:37):
The countries that this is occurring in the US, the UK, France,
and Germany, Japan are all countries that are heavily indebted
and are struggling with their fiscal discipline. They're struggling to
reign in public spending, they're struggling to bring down their deficits.
And this sell off is occurring at the long end

(01:26:59):
of the bonker, in other words, with bonds with durations
of ten, twenty to thirty years or more, not at
the short end, which is where central banks can influence
interest rates. This area of the bond curve is outside
the control of central banks, and it's basically investors balking
at first of all, the amount of debt that's being

(01:27:21):
issued and the failure of government simply to be able
to reign this in and control spending. I mean we're
seeing that for example in the UK, where they maybe
there's a fifty pound black hole. The French government may
well fall next week because it's unable to reign in spending.
And then, of course in the US you have this

(01:27:42):
issue with tariffs. It could be that if these tariffs
that Donald Trump is imposed upon countries around the world
have found to be illegal by the Supreme Court, and
the US may have to pay them back to all
those countries collect to tear us from so far. So
this will reduce by maybe two or three trillion dollars

(01:28:06):
over the next ten years the amount of money that
the US is collecting and therefore put more stress on
its finances. So the bomb markets and investors in the
bomb markets are really saying, if we're going to take
on this risk, we need to have higher interest rates
to compensate us for that risk.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Wow, it's going to get very complicated, Peter. I appreciate
your time. As always, We'll talk to you next week.
Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent. By the way, on the parade,
Judith Collins has had a crack at Helen Clark for
going to the parade and for being seen in that
class photo with Putin and Kem Jong Eun a whole
lot of them.

Speaker 21 (01:28:41):
The next time Helen Clark criticizes me for getting a
bit of extra money for our defeat force, I think
I'm going to tell her exactly where she can put her.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
Thoughts seventeen away from seven hither do for Cellen steps
Some IVF stats out of Australia that I think are
really really interesting, not all to get the surprising, but
maybe the scale of it is surprising. So what it
shows is that there are more single women who are
conceiving via IVF then there are lesbian couples who are

(01:29:11):
doing it. So these are the numbers for twenty twenty three,
and in that year more than one hundred and nine
thousand cycles were performed. Four percent of those were for
same sex women couples. Nearly fifteen percent of those were
for women just having babies by themselves. Now, I mean
that is definitely I mean it like power to those women.

(01:29:33):
How cool is that that women are doing that? That
is bloody hard, Like I cannot imagine doing that by myself.
One of the women that I saw talking about it
today has two girls by her Olf, What a power woman.
That's bloody hard. Even with two people. That's a hard job.
But by yourself it's hard. But if your choices you
either do it alone or you don't do it at all,
well you do it alone. So power to the women

(01:29:54):
for doing it. Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
It's Heather Dupless with the Business Hour and me for
Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
It'd be it would appear that someone in this country
has set a Guinness World Record thing. I got to
talk through it and I will do it before the
end of the program. Thirteen away from seven. Gavin Gray
are UK correspondents with us. Hello Gevin, Hi, the hell
we might have inspired that? Oh lord, No, it's all
your fault basically as you and the German.

Speaker 6 (01:30:26):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
So Reform will be pretty happy today.

Speaker 10 (01:30:29):
Yeah, very very happy. So Reform UK has upstarted a
new political party here in the UK, very much shaking
things up, led by Nigel Pharaohs, the sort of architect
I guess of Brexit, has suddenly rocketed up in the
opinion polls to be the most popular party and on
the opening day of its annual conference, I say it's
annual conference, its first big conference. It's claimed a major scout.

(01:30:52):
We've had one or two former politicians or one or
two current politicians drift across saying I'm now going to
move to UK Reform. We have never had a former minister,
a senior minister do that, but we have now. The
former Conservative minister Nadine Doris has defected to Reform UK.
She was the Health Minister under Boris Johnson and also

(01:31:15):
the Culture Secretary, and was also a very very close
ally of the former Prime Minister. And this really is
the latest in a long string of defections from the
Conservatives to Reform UK, including the former Welsh Secretary and
the former Conservative chairman as well. Interesting to hear the response.

(01:31:36):
A Conservative Party spokesman said we wish Nadan well. However,
the amusing Liberal Democrats say we don't know who to
feel more sorry for, the leader of the Conservatives or
Elijah Varat, the leader of Reform UK. She is a
bit of a loose cannon at times, but she is
a senior name, she has big experience within government and

(01:31:57):
she just said I can no longer with a heavy heart,
she said, I can no longer stay within the Conservative Party.
It just isn't doing the kind of job that it
should be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
Interesting. Okay, now, how does this avocado rightness scanner work?

Speaker 10 (01:32:12):
Yeah, this is quite a novel idea, have you ever?
Of course, of course everyone has taken a whole load
of avocado's back. You wait till it gets nice and soft,
then you cut it into and find it's black inside. Well,
that happens to me all the time. But Tesco, now
one of the big supermarkets here in the UK, they
are launching a avocado rightness scanner and basically you put

(01:32:35):
it beside this scanner, you pick up the avocado you
think is the one you want, and the scanner tells
you whether it's ready and right to be able to
mush it's that soft, or whether it will need cutting,
or whether it's not ripe at all. Now, of course
people say, well, hang on, you just squeeze an avocado
and that will tell you that thing. But this is

(01:32:56):
using infrared in order to check that supposedly checked the
inside of the scanner to see that it is actually
ripe and not over ripe or black inside. Many are
pointing out this is just a headline grabber, and it
certainly has been a headline grabber. But incredibly, the number
of avocados that Tesco has sold alone is fifteen million

(01:33:20):
more this year than last.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Wow, that's incredible. Hey, what was David Bowie working on?

Speaker 10 (01:33:27):
Yeah, so we've just discovered that locked away in his study,
he's left everything to the museum here in the heart
of London or the Victoria Albert. They've been going through
his locked study and archive and he was working on
what he's described as a sort of eighteenth century musical.

Speaker 5 (01:33:44):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:33:44):
He loved London. He wrote about London that this looks
at London in the eighteenth century. We think its title
was going to be called The Spectator, and its existence
was only known really to David Bowe. It would have
seen even his closest collaborators didn't know. So there are
notes about the structure of the plots, some of the characters.

(01:34:04):
It shows his fascination with the development of art satire
in the eighteenth century London, along with stories of criminal
gangs and a notorious thief called the Honest Jack Shepherd.
And it's quite extraordinary to see these writings we all
thought black Star, which was his final album, and of
course he died back in twenty sixteen of cancer, was

(01:34:25):
kind of that album was an acceptance of mortality when
he had the diagnosis.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Here we knew.

Speaker 10 (01:34:30):
He's now working on something completely different that he had
never shown to anyone before, and he's now going to
be on view at the Victorian Albert Museum.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
Very Coolkevin, Thanks very much, joy your weekend. Kevin Gray,
UK correspondent. Right, let's deal with this. It's a weird record.
Let's deal with it. Nixt nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
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Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Oh geez, so much I need to tell you and
I've only got minutes to go. Five away from seven.
So the police have conferred that they have actually investigated
ten reports of threats I guess against Bussy. Police say
they have issued formal warnings to four individuals for breaches
of the Harmful Digital Communications Act twenty fifteen. One case

(01:35:15):
has been filed with no further police action. The other
cases are progressing and remain under investigation. So that would
formal warnings is not a charge. So it hasn't got
to the charge stage. It's just got to don't do
that again stage hither. You're ignoring the difference between driving
slowly this is read David seam Or you're ignoring the
difference between driving slowly in the right hand lane and
holding up traffic or staying right because that lane is

(01:35:36):
moving fast or at the same speed as the left lane.
If everyone is in the left lane, then it will
be very full and slow. Well, that's a fair point.
That is a fair point. However, what I would say
to you is this if you even if you actually
this is the rule that I employ. Even if I'm
going maximum speed right in the right hand lane, if
there is somebody behind me who's like, I need to

(01:35:57):
get through. I need to get through, I need to
get through, I pull over, albeit briefly, into the left
hand lane, let them through, and then I'll pull back
in and keep going at the maximum speed if that's
what I want to do. But if somebody clearly is
trying to get out, like trying to get past you,
even if they're going to break the law, just do
it because you're not the police. Oh yeah, okay, So
this is what's going on. So, a woman from Christchurch
has set a world record for the fastest time running

(01:36:19):
over one hundred meters of loose lego bricks and her
bare feet. She did it in twenty four point seventy
five seconds. Now that's mental, obviously, and she must have
put her feet through some enormous pain to be able
to do that, because I'd be crying by the end
of it. But also, what I really like from her
is that she chose this deliberately because there is a
strategic barrier to entry. She says, most people simply wouldn't

(01:36:43):
have access to hundreds of kilograms of lego, which is
true and good from her.

Speaker 22 (01:36:47):
What have you got, Libby, I've got something that is
both old, well, both a throwback gun brand new. Yes,
it's a British pop pop boy band Legends. Yes, who
called a brand new song and they're gonna have a
brand new album.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
Hold on, So this is Blue from from way back
twenty years ago. This is Blue's new song, a new song.
Just pump it up with discussion.

Speaker 23 (01:37:12):
One song.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
But rocky for them, isn't it?

Speaker 20 (01:37:20):
I won't That's it.

Speaker 23 (01:37:20):
I won't listen there.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
I mean, you know, like you've got to make this
sound sound different. So I'm proud of them for it,
and look probably look, given the status things, they'll be
coming to New Zealand and we'll be grateful for it.
Thanks Libby. Enjoy and enjoy your trip to overseas. Once
is going overseas for four weeks. He'll come back safely
brown for the poor, looking like he's been in trepid.

(01:37:43):
If you have a good weekend, go the abs, go
the wires.

Speaker 23 (01:37:45):
See you next Monday.

Speaker 16 (01:38:00):
And what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
One less time?

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
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