Full Show Podcast: 06 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.
Oring It's Heather Duper c Eland Drive with One New
Zealand Let's get connected News.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Talks V Good Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Coming up on the show today, Transport Minister Chris Bishop
on his plans to ditch the petrol tax and ruck
everyone instead, Westpac on that unemployment number coming in a
little lower than we expected, and New World's bosses coming
on to talk about them running out of the sticker
prizes again.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Heather Dupericy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
So, the government's just announced what they're calling the biggest
change to road funding in fifty years. Once these changes
cack in, and we don't know when that is just yeend.
But once they kick in, petrol taxes are out and
rucks road user charges are in. And this is for everyone, right,
It's not just the truckies and the EV drivers and
the diesel uses. Every single one of us is going
to have to pay the rucks. Not really a surprise
that this is happening, because the government flagged this a

(00:57):
couple of years ago at least, but the work is
now starting. Cabinet has now agreed to start changing the
law on it. Generally, I think this is a good idea.
I mean, I think this is going to make the
whole system a lot more transparent because most of us
have no idea when we fill up at the petrol
station how much we're paying to use the road. It's
hidden in the petrol cost, isn't it. But once it's
stripped out, it's going to smack us in the face

(01:18):
every month or however often we pay that bill and
we can make a decision based on that. It's actually
quite a lot of money that you're paying to use
the road. Tax makes up almost half the cost of petrol.
So once you get that bill, you can decide if
you want to drive a little bit less, drive a
little bit more, whatever you want to do. It's going
to also, if design, probably change our behavior for the
better when it comes to choosing our cars, because heavier

(01:40):
cars should end up being charged more, as they should
because they do a lot more damage to the roads.
For example, electric vehicles are enormously heavy and will be
pot holing the road a lot more than your lighter
Suzuki Swift. That should, if we respond rationally to pricing,
make us move towards lighter vehicles and away from this
trend of bigger is better all the time, which is,
as I say, better for road maintenance. But and here's

(02:02):
the butt everything here I think hangs off on the
enforcement because this is ripe for gaming. The very same
people who do not get a WAFF, who do not
get a red Joe now will not get their rucks.
Am I imagining it? Or was it not also the
case that the EV drivers, when they were made to
get rucks, a whole bunch of them didn't even bother
getting rucks for a whole lot there. So if you've
got wealthy EV drivers who are happy to go around

(02:24):
pretending to have a ruck when they own actually well,
what about the rest of us? If you're going from
a really simple system where you just basically get it
taken out of what you're paying at the pump, to
a more complex count the caves and file the paperwork system,
how are you going to be sure that absolutely everybody
is doing what they're supposed to do? So in an
announcement light on detail, very light on detail, that is

(02:45):
the question I have. But in theory, very good idea.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Heather Doopers, the alum take you.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Nineteen nine two is the text number. As I've said,
Chris Bishop, the Transport Ministers with us on that after
five o'clock. Now, Shane Jones has announced it overhaul of
our commercial fishing laws. He's going to change the way
that catch limits are set and make it so that
we the public can't access footage from the onboard cameras
through THEYA the Official Information Act like we can at
the moment. Scott macindo is the president of the Sport

(03:13):
Fishing Council and with us. Now, Hey Scott, good afternoon, Heather.
Do you like these changes?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
No?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Why?

Speaker 4 (03:20):
No?

Speaker 5 (03:22):
We've made a reasoning very clear in the submission that
we submitted earlier this year. There's sixty pages of pretty.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
Dry dentse reading.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
Anyone who takes any of these proposals seriously and takes
them forward into legislation, really, we're staggered. Nothing of what
we've offered has been to taken seriously. So no, we're
very unhappy.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
What don't you like about it?

Speaker 5 (03:56):
We're dealing with twelve proposals. They're all different, the first
one multi and we're not going to have time to
go through them one at a time. And believe you me,
this stuff is very conceptual and complex. The first one
multi year catch decisions. Opening sentence rejected outright. We've watched
multi year catch decisions used and fail in a number

(04:19):
of instances. One that's really close and near and dear
to our hearts is the Hanaky Gulf Pray fishery, what
we call Area two, which goes from Mungawai in the
north all the way down to Cape Runaway, where using
these pre set decision rules, I should say, allowing for

(04:43):
industry to drive the management of these fisheries based on
their catch per unit of effort, which is like a
proxy for an abundance index, already lost the audience and
blinded them with science. Ow that fishery down to a
bizarre three hundred grams of crayfish per pot lift. They

(05:08):
had to they had to lift three crayfish pods to
catch a kilo of crayfish.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
So what saying is they can't regulate themselves, right, They
can't say, hey, things are getting low, let's just let's
stop for a minute there, They just keep going.

Speaker 7 (05:23):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
What, in essence, what we're saying is that the use
of property rights to manage fisheries, this is the quota
management system is not working. And we've been consistent on
this for twenty five years, and with one fishery after
another going over the cliff, scarlets gone, harpooker bass. They're
a distant memory for most of us that you can

(05:46):
still travel way way out to see and catch a
few harpooker if you're a commercial fisherman, that their serial
depletion has seen them vanishing the lakes of our Gernard
and John Dori Tarakihi massively over allocated. They can't possibly
catch what they're allowed to catch, no matter how hard
they try. So we're saying, hey, guys, let's stop this

(06:11):
sham of management with property rights and have a real
go at reform, proper reform.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
What about the fact that you can't you won't be
able to use the OIA to access what's been going
on on the cameras.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
The defense is the privacy of those men and women
working at sea and their rights of privacy, and that
has to be taken into account. What we know is
that when cameras were implemented, the catch of protected species

(06:49):
and the declared catch of fish that they didn't have
quota for went through the roof. Yeah, these guys, there
are a lure under themselves when they get over the horizon. Okay,
and where I'm really If I was a commercial fisherman,
I'd welcome cameras because that's provenance. I've got nothing to hide.

(07:10):
I'm fishing with respect. I'm doing my best to utilize
every fish I catch, and my customers are going to
value that, and I'm quite confident that they're going to
be willing to pay for that good behavior, for that respect. Scott,
that's gone missing.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. That's Scott Macindo,
Sport Fishing Council President. Sorry to see the texts coming in,
so I'm sure we're going to get a bit of
feedback on that. Did you realize pac Man, by the way,
is celebrating forty five years this year, forty five years old.
It started in nineteen seventy and it came about. This
is not an urban myth, this is true. It came
about because the guy who designed it, name is Todu Iwatani,

(07:47):
was comfort eating a salami pizza. He had the whole pizza.
The whole pizza, because you know, this is how they
do things when they comfort eat. The whole pizza was
in front of him, and he took a slice out
to eat it, look down and was struck by the
fact that he was looking at a face. It was
round with the mouth, and that was pac Man. And
thus it was born. Quarter past four.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
It's the Heather dupers Alan Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talk zeb.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Forty five years since nineteen seventy Heather face palm, fair enough,
I should have clarified that in nineteen seventy he ate
the pizza and saw the pac Man. It took him
ten years to make pac Man. Start the clock then
forty five years, eighteen past four and Darcy Watergrave Sports
Talk hoosters with that's hello.

Speaker 8 (08:31):
Does I've got no idea what you're talking about? And
that's probably a good thing. Hello, Heather, Hell are you?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I'm good. I'm interested in these eligibility rules that are
being changed for rugby Australia.

Speaker 8 (08:41):
Oh, they've dropkicked that, they've gone out forget about. This
is just silly any rules.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Were they actually using the rules though, or were the
rules just there?

Speaker 8 (08:48):
Well, they haven't been enforced for some time. They've not
been really hard line on this guitar law. Sixty plus
tests before they get backing from OFC's there've been a
little loose but like it's just not relevant anymore. So
Joe Schmid can pick whoever he wants the shot.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Okay, so the Aussies are now doing this, they can
pick players playing overseas. Aren't the Saffas doing this as well? Ah,
the Archies are doing this? How long before we're doing this?
Never that is, you know that's not true. We cannot
hold the line on this. I mean, we are so
close to bending the rules with Watts. His face's up
in Japan at the moment. You know the handsome one

(09:29):
number ten Richie Moore, that's one. Yeah, we are so
really had.

Speaker 8 (09:33):
To pause when I said that, because I'm not entirely
sure I find any other man handsome.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
But he is handsome.

Speaker 9 (09:39):
Though well you may.

Speaker 8 (09:39):
Think I'm the most handsome man I've ever met. I
don't handsome.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
We are going to Darcy. We've almost broke that rule
for him.

Speaker 8 (09:47):
Well, we've got a very flexible rule because if they
kick out enough of the stink and they're good enough,
they can do what they want. And then they go,
why don't you have a sabada call? Which is in
a Sabbat call and then come back and make it.

Speaker 10 (10:00):
It's going to be okay.

Speaker 8 (10:00):
Look, they're slowly but surely loosening, if you will. But
I don't see in the near future, not in the
next few years, a time where enz are goes. I
forget about it. Run, it doesn't matter. We don't care anymore.
I think it'll be too destructive for New Zealand rugby
as a whole to do that. What I'm interested with
this no longer their ghetto guitar law.

Speaker 10 (10:24):
What happens to Australian Super rugby.

Speaker 8 (10:26):
They've just managed to get themselves back up into a
decent position, and that only happened because one of their
teams fell over. And now what happens the players start going, wow,
I might not play.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Super right now, Darcy, if you think about this, and
if you're honest about this, if their teams start falling
apart because of this, because players decide a bugger and
I'm not going to do Super Rugby, I'm off to
japan them off to wherever. Then it's going to affect
our Super rugby as well, because we're in the same
competition as well, so we're going to be holding up
the whole competition without so it is going to eventually

(10:58):
happen here.

Speaker 8 (11:00):
So you say that this may well be the death
of super rugby, I'm just extrapolating on your thought process.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Ruby is dead already. It's just going to It was
a great How dare you whatever? You cantort yourself into
believing that it is going to make a crap product.
Crapper because the Aussie are going to be even more
crap than they already are.

Speaker 10 (11:19):
It wasn't rubbish this year. It was really good. Did
you watch it ever?

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Did you?

Speaker 11 (11:24):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (11:24):
I watched a little bit.

Speaker 9 (11:25):
It was about to stand up frustrated.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Trying to tell us that the thing.

Speaker 8 (11:32):
That goes for twenty weeks that covers some Australians to them.
I think that when you look at New Zealand cricket
and you look at the pliant nature of their laws
and how flexible they have been with the gorilla warfare
that is t twenty franchise cricket. They've beaten a path

(11:52):
that might not be entirely acceptable, but they've understood the
lay of the land and they're working through it. And
it may just be with a bit of pushing New
Zealand Rugby will have to address that sternly. But I
don't see them kicking it out completely. I just don't
see that happen yet. No, not yet. I mean nothing's
impossible ever, right.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
No, it's not really enjoy chatting to you, Darcy. Sure,
Darcy water Grave is going to be that. It's annoying,
isn't it. Ah, they keep on pretending anyway. Darcy water
Grave is going to be back to sports talks at
seven o'clock this evening, Full twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Sport with a tab app download and get your bet
on R eighteen bit responsibly getting the facts, discarding the fluff.
It's Heather dupasy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks that'd be hither.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
This decision about the rucks is the dumbest idea this
government has come up with. It's just going to be
like the diesel people with the older cars. I'm just
going to get around the system by playing with their
speedos or not playing with it or not paying it. Sorry,
those of the newer cars are going to find a
black market and tech to play with your digital readout.
All this is going to do is penalize the honest
and rich. Those that don't mind scamming the siss them.
And this is coming from someone that has owned diesel

(13:02):
on I just cut my speed cable so the case
would not go up. With lighter cars, teenagers will go
for a power to write power. I don't even know
what to honestly, got to be honest with you, I
don't really understand cars, so that went right over my head.
But I think what there is saying is you can
cut the cable and then we don't count the speed anymore,
and now we don't know how much or the odometera anyway,
and now we don't know how much you're driving, so

(13:24):
now we don't know how many rucks you need. Anyway.
We'll talk to Chris bish about it. He's the man
looking at the stuff. He's going to be with us.
After five happy news, like slightly happy news. The unemployment
rate came in slightly under the expectations. Everybody was picking
five point three came in at five point When I
say everybody, everybody except for Paul Bloxham from HSPC. He
was like, you're all being too grim. It's not going

(13:45):
to be that grim. And it turned out it wasn't
that grim. It only came in at five point two,
still the highest unemployment rate in five years. Twenty twenty
was the last time, still one hundred and fifty eight
thousand people unemployed. Good news is that we're on track
for a cut in the ocr when it comes in again,
So we'll have a chat to WESPAC about that after
five o'clock as well. Right now, it's full twenty six now.

(14:05):
Apropos our conversation about trash TV yesterday and the fact
that we are throwing government money, taxpayer money at it.
Friend of mine actually heard us talking about it and
then sent me a text last night, very very good point.
She said, how does Traitors not make enough money to
wash its own face? Because you do realize that Traitors,
the New Zealand version of Traders is sold around the

(14:25):
world because we share a mutual friend who is Brody Kane.
And Brody Kane, you'll remember, was on The Traders on
the first one of the Traders, And so she went
to Las Vegas and December and she was telling us
she walked into a gas station and the guy who
was there manning the gas station said to her was like, hey,
all the girl from The Traders, and so this random
gas station guy and Las Vegas recognized her from watching

(14:47):
The Traders on cable TV over in the States anyway.
So it begs the question, if you're making the product,
selling it into the New Zealand market and then selling
it around the world to people who just want to
sit around watching like empty and hours of crap tea,
how does it not make enough money? How does that
not make enough money? Why are we funding this? This
is crazy, isn't it anyway? Just food for thought? Okay,

(15:11):
what if we got here? This is Billie Eilish, isn't
it Birds of a Feather? Because there are a whole
bunch of songs up the Song of the Year at
the MTV VMAs, and this is one of them. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story, It's hither duplicy Ellen, drive with one
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Let's get connected news talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Be anxiety, keep them shiny, fairly quiet, anxiety. Anxiety. This
is a This is a on. The reason playing this
view is because it's the it's the one. It's one
of the finalists for Song of the year at the
MTV VMA's And what was that song that we were

(16:07):
talking about the other day. It's one of the bangers
from Australia, the one Kimber. What's the face? You know
there was? You know the song? It didn't a man? Yes,
that's the one. Thank you somebody that I used to
know by Kimber. This is a ripoff, isn't it? Or
maybe when I say it's a ripoff, that's not fair.
It's a sample. It's a sample, thank you, it's not

(16:28):
it's not a ripoff. Don't call the music police. Not
a rip off. Barry Soapers with us And anyway, we're
gona play by the way I should say're gonna kee.
We're gonna play you all the finalists throughout the show
so that when you go home to dinner with your
children this evening you could be like, jeez, you know
what love that song by Doci Anxiety and they're gonna go,
what the hell happened to you, mum? That you know
something about something about something that's cool. Just helping you

(16:48):
out from one mum to the other. We're helping you
out today. Barry Soapers with us in ten minutes to
talk politics, and Dambicheans and standing by twenty four away
from five.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
It's the world wires on news talks.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
It'd be Israeli Prime Minister Binyamnettya who has held that
war Cabinet meeting to discuss his plan. His plan is
to go back in and fully reoccupy the Gaza Strip.
Not everyone loves it, and so according to Al Jazeera in,
the meeting was quite tense.

Speaker 12 (17:12):
The military leadership and the political leaderships have been quite
at odds. The military leadership, fearing that an all out
expansion and an incursion into Gaza would put at risk
the lives of the remaining captives.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Phil and Hillary Clinton have been subpoended by the Congressional
committee investigating Jeffrey Epstein. The committee has also sent legal
summons as to eight other people and the Justice Department
itself as well a former Special Council at the Department
of Defenses. Trump should be subpoened to.

Speaker 13 (17:41):
It only stands to reason that if you're looking around
to find the people that would provide information for the investigation,
he would be pretty close to that type of the list,
at least as a material witness or having information and
leads that would provide the committee for its investigative work.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
And finally, a tired bird may have been what caused
a large fire in Canada. The Fire Department of trying
to work out why they found a charred fish in
the middle of a grass fire. Problem is the grass
fire was three k's away from the nearest water body,
being a river, So they think what happened as an
osprey caught the fish in the river and then flew

(18:16):
over the bit and then dropped the fish while it
was flying, and then the fish had the power lines
on the way to the ground, and then that started
the fire.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Jane Mitchinson, US correspondent, Hello Dan, Hey, Heather, So what
was Donald Trump doing on the roof of the White House?
I couldn't quite figure that out.

Speaker 14 (18:36):
Well, that's what everybody was trying to figure out. He
took a twenty minute stroll up there, and yeh, the
reporters were kind of kept at a distance, so everybody
was yelling at him, what are you doing up there?
And he said, just taking a little walk. And then
another reporter said, well, what are you building? And he says,
it goes with a ballroom. And so this went back
and forth, and finally he said, one reporter said, what
are you trying to build? And he said missiles, and

(18:57):
we presume he was joking. He said nuclear missiles while
he made a gesture of a rocket launching, which which unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Doesn't it look like a Nazi salute?

Speaker 14 (19:07):
Yes, yeah, that's that's the picture that came up. So
he was kind of going on like that, and unfortunately,
well or for you know, photographers taking the moment to
capture that sort of one picture, and that's the one
they got, and that's the one that's making the rounds.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Okay, well, listen to all of us. Don't imitate a
rocket going up in the air, because next minute you're
a fascist. Yes, what a surprise. Elon Musk is America's
most disliked person.

Speaker 14 (19:31):
Isn't it though? A Gallup took this poll and they
asked people, you know, what they thought of fourteen well
known US and global figures, and sixty one percent had
an unfavorable opinion of Musk. So he came out on top,
which I mean, I mean, his reputation is kind of
plummeted faster than I think Tesla Stock has in recent
months too with everything going on with him in the
White House. And there are a number of others that

(19:54):
are within the President's orbit I guess that are are
having negative fallow up from these. Health Secretary Robert F.
Kennedy was on that list.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
JD.

Speaker 14 (20:05):
Vance was on that list as well, and then you
had President Trump, who was further down the list too,
basically given the same rating as a Secretary of State
Marco Rubio. So the poll numbers for the president have
not been looking good, and not just from Gallop but
from a number of different people doing these polls.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Interesting, So the CEO is the problem for the submersible
blowing up?

Speaker 14 (20:26):
Yeah, the Titan, And what they're seeing is that the
Coast Guard came out with a report today and said
there was also a lot of financial pressure that began
a couple of years back, so employees were asked to
forego their salaries, and among them, they were saying that
they started bringing in contractors rather than full time skilled people,
and they decided to use text based communication, which I
guess isn't as good as sort of voice communication. So

(20:48):
the bottom line they're saying that it was an inadequate design, maintenance,
inspection process, and basically there was also this toxic workplace
culture which kept people from coming up and speaking out
about what was going on.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Dan, good to talk to you, Thank you very much.
It's Dan Mitchison, US correspondent here. That the owners of
small cars use less petrol and thus pay less tax,
the owners of big gas guzzlers use more petrol and
thus pay more tax. Simple user pays system right there.
It is a user pays system, right They're the only
trouble with that is that electric vehicles are incredibly heavy
and use no petrol at all, and so they're not

(21:25):
actually paying for what the damage they're doing to the roads. However,
I mean, they do pay their rucks, but I think
the whole system, I kind of get the feeling that
the weight categories don't accurately reflect what's going on out there,
and I feel like it needs a cole redesign. And
the tiny little Suzuki swifts need to pay just a
little bit of money, and the big old teslers need
to pay a lot of money because they're rarely potholing

(21:46):
the road up And you know what, I'd chuck in
there as well. While I'm at it as I'd start
making the bikes pay, wouldn't you? You want to zip
around in your fancy little psychle way I built for you. Yeah,
you'll pay. And when I say you, I do mean
me because I ride a bicycle on the cycleway from
time to time and I should pay for it. It shouldn't
be free, should it? Nineteen away from five now, Murray,
A big day for Murraydeka today. If you remember, Murray

(22:08):
Deeka was on the radio with us maybe I want
to say, two weeks ago, complaining about the tree. The
hearing is underway today. Now this is the hearing, the
council hearing where I mean, can you Oh, I'm going
to come back to it anyway. This is the council
hearing where Murray and all of the fallow residents, all
of Murray's fallow residents at the apartment complex on the

(22:29):
North Shore are asking the council please for permission if
they could just get rid of the big tree that
fell on their land three years ago, because there haven't
been It's a big perd Kawa and they haven't been
able to clear it away because the EWE loves it.
It is of cultural significance to the EWEI. I mean
it sucks a bit that the tree that's of cultural
significance to the EWI has fallen on private property and

(22:50):
is gigantic and is lying there across private property. I
feel like it's a slam dunk case for me if
I was on the council. But anyway, I'm not. So
the council is going to hear submissions from residence throughout
the day and then presumably at some stake stage, make
a decision. Does it not grind your gears at a
high rate of revs that this is the kind of
crap that the council is having to deal with. Somebody

(23:14):
in council just needs to go, Okay, you know what
this is ridiculous? Is that a special tree? Plant another one.
Move on, jog on, move on, get another tree, Plant
a tree anyway you want. Go and get yourself another
powder cover planted. That can be your new cultural significance.
This tree, this is on private property. We're chopping it.
Can somebody not just make the obvious call rather than
wasting like how much time on this tree? If they're

(23:36):
wasting this much time on one tree, how much time
are they wasting on all of the trees that are
of cultural significance. Seventeen away from five.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
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Speaker 3 (23:47):
Oh, I've got an update on Chris Hopkins and the
Labor Party and the oil and gas ban apropos what
we were talking about yesterday. Right now, it's fourteen away
from five and Barri Soper, Senior Political correspondence here. Barry, Hello,
good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 10 (23:59):
They can't overturn any decision to reverse the oil and
gas band.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Just wait for it, Beary, your wait longer not going
to I've heard him say, Okay, you can wait for everybody.
Alse can hear the update and the tech. Now, what
do you make of the road user charges?

Speaker 10 (24:13):
Well, you know, initially, like you, I think I quite
like the idea of them, but there are so many
sort of anomalies in the system. Like one of your
listeners pointed out, small cars like Suzuki swifts are they're
not as hard on the road as a big ute
or you know, a heavy electric car, So there's a
problem there. But it is really open to being gamed

(24:38):
the system, and it is at the moment, and that's
because it's I guess a paper system as opposed to
an electronic system, and clearly they're working on that. Chris
Bishop causes they're going to be it will be the
old system is outdated and a new system will be
in place. They'll allow digital rock records, enabling more types

(25:01):
of electronic rock devices, and some apparently are already built
into new cars, which is quite interesting that so they
can be adapted for it. But you know, he says
that in the end, you should be able to pay
your road user charger's bill like you pay your Netflix bill,
or like you pay any other bill once a month.

(25:23):
But you know what about those like you pointed out
that don't drive around with an unregistered car.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, I mean, then the problem with your Netflix spill
or the comparison is not a straight comparison, because if
you do not pay your Netflix bill, your Netflix is
not going to turn off, that's right. But if you
do not pay your ruck spill, you're just going to
be able to drive. Your car doesn't stop working, does.

Speaker 10 (25:44):
It, And that's right. If you're unregistered, who's to know
that you're even on the road. That's the problem. So
I don't know how they're going to build in the
checks and balances, No doubt Chris Bishop will be able
to explain that although you know the system is not
going to come into place in short order, I mean
they will, I think by next year legislation will be introduced.

(26:05):
But he says the following year, that's the year after
the election, the ruck system will be open for business. Well,
whatever that means, I guess he'll explain what it does
mean in fate.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
So is the Pay Equity People Select Committee starting next week?

Speaker 10 (26:20):
Yes, this is the People's Select Committee? And I was faking.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
It's got very Chinese Communist Party vibes about it, isn't it.
Well People's Committee.

Speaker 10 (26:30):
Well that's right, and you just have to wonder what
it's going to achieve. They say they've got fifteen hundred
submissions that they'll be considering.

Speaker 8 (26:39):
Now.

Speaker 10 (26:39):
This committee was thought up by Marilyn Wearing, who, of
course some would say cause the schnapper or snap selection
of Rob muldoon by crossing the floor on the nuclear
issue with the Labor Party and got out of Parliament
the same year. But so she's come back. She formed

(26:59):
this committee and they're going to have a rotating chair now.
It's going to begin next Monday, and guess who the
first chair is. She's been brought out of retirement recent retirement.
Might say, Nana, I'm a Houda. And you know, the
thing about this pay equity thing that people tend to
lose face on is that, you know, occupations being compared

(27:24):
to other occupations that have no resemblance to each other.
So it's not a case of necessarily women being paid
less than the same occupation. You can't compare policemen with
I don't know, nurses or mechanics or whatever. So you know,
it's a silly system. So the first hearing will be

(27:45):
held next Monday. But the interesting thing to me is
I thought, well, who's going to pay for this People's
select Committee? Well, the first meeting is at the National
Library in Wellington next Monday, so I guess it's pretty
much self funding. But the subsequent ones are going to
be all online, so it's not going to be that
expensive to run.

Speaker 15 (28:05):
I see.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Okay, Now that woman who was used in the Hobson's
Pledge ad without her consent and without her knowledge, does
have a fair case here to be upset.

Speaker 10 (28:13):
A woman called Alan Tummitty. I think it's terrible. You
imagine it. You're out on the road and you see
a poster with your own face on it endorsing something
saying that you're opposed to Maury Wards, and this woman
apparently is totally for Maori Wards and says that you
know it should never have been posted in this way. Well,

(28:34):
she was apparently, it seems, with an agency that had
her photo on basically within the system and was only
meant to be used for editorial purposes, not for advertising
like this. So Hobson's pledge, who put out these billboards
love apologized to the woman quite profusely and said they

(28:55):
didn't want to cause any upset. They thought it was
a stock photo that was able to be used, so
I don't think they can be blamed for it. But
of course you've got the MILDI Party weighing on on it.
The co leader Rivalry White to Tea. He says, to
use our beautiful Cooyer's photo or any other Mari intellectual

(29:16):
probably to prop up a racist agenda, So he sees
it as being racist deliberately. So well, Hobson's pledge have
come out quite clearly and said it's not I wish.
Sometimes before he opens his mouth, he thinks about what
is the background to these issues?

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Honestly that man all right, Barry, thanks very much. Barry Soper,
Senior political correspondent, nine away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast, it's.

Speaker 16 (29:43):
A green light on the foreshore and sea bed been
stuck in court of course, Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith, what
if the Supreme Court hadn't gone against the.

Speaker 17 (29:49):
Appeal, well, then we would have just carried on with
our legislation and passed it in descended lastly, because why Paul,
you are the ultimate court in the land.

Speaker 16 (29:55):
Who gives some monkeys what the appeal courts is?

Speaker 14 (29:57):
Well, we obviously take very seriously.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Why bring court SAIDs or.

Speaker 16 (30:00):
The old court of the land. If you want to
do something, do it, yes, but we take these things
seriously because everybody obviously has an interest of wors on
the coast es. So basically you're going back to twenty eleven.
Was just a few agitators hired I'm sure at taxpayers
expen some lawyers to go to the appeal Court, then
the Supreme Court. That's how it unfolded, wasn't it. Back
tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with a
Vida News Talk zaid B Hither.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
We live in the apartments next door to the strand
where Murray decas and several years ago we had five
massive for her tokar will fall on our large grass area,
same council. What a fight to have them removed. I mean, honestly, listen,
this is why I hate stupid rules. So the minute
you put in a stupid rule, then then there are
going to be people who enforced stupid rules. And then
you have to go to the council for a whole
day to ask if you can get a tree removed
from your property. So next time you go, you know what,

(30:45):
we need a rule for that. Just think about what
happens when people start enforcing that stupid rule and then
you have to live with that five away from five.
By the way, have you have you heard how Lima
Sepuanga came back to play for why kuttle? Because you
know last week we found out he back out of
the blue playing again. Apparently what happened was he's back
in Hamilton, played a round of golf, went to Flaggies,

(31:07):
which is a sports bar. He was there with his
wife's stepfather. They were having a couple of drinks or whatever,
and they bumped into the y Cuttle coach and the
White Cuttle coach said to him, bro, what are you
up to? And he said, oh, not much, and then
he said, I'll give you a call. And a few
days later this is Lima. Lima was back in the
White Cuttle officers signing a one dollar contract and he's back.
Isn't that a great yarn? So next time somebody offers

(31:28):
you a round of golf and a drink at Flaggies,
do it because you never know what's going to happen
to yourself. So here's the update on the Labor party.
In the oil and gas ban. They are now back
to promising that they're going to ban oil and gas
exploration again. They just they have just gone yes we're
gonna ban it. No we're not gonna ban it. Yes
we're going to be that's what they've just done. So
in August they said they were banning it. Then yesterday

(31:50):
they said they're not banning it because they're actually not
sure what their policy is going to be. They haven't
finished thinking about their policy yet. And then that lasted
twenty four hours and now, yes, they're going to ban
it again because Megan has spoken to Carbon News. Don't worry,
no one reads it, but people in the industry do.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
So.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Meghan said to Carbon News in a statement that Labor
would reinstate a ban on new oil and gas exploration permits.
What the hell is going on with Labor, because I mean,
is she and freaking Chris Haipkins not talking to each
other about this? Because if she's putting out a statement,
then surely there's been signed off by the people who
sign off on the statements, right And surely if she's
put if they're signing off on that statement, then they're

(32:26):
saying to freaking Chris Hippins before he goes on the
radio and talks about it, thinking, you know, we are
going to ban this thing. The problem with this, and
I mean, I don't really care what they do with themselves,
because you know, it's mid of the midway through the cycle.
It's not like we're an election at the moment. But
the problem is if you're a foreign investor looking at
this and you're going you know that that guy might
actually be the Prime minister again, but he's gonna Yeah,

(32:47):
we're not sure what is you're not gonna put your
money in. You're not gonna put your money into this country.
So Shane Jones can try as hard as he likes,
as long as as long as the Labor Party is
all banned. No ban ban ban, no ban ban, no ban,
No money come in our way. Yep, head Sharing Sapphire
the song of the Year at the MTV VMA's There's

(33:10):
no accounting for taste, is there? It's in their head?
Sharon Sapphire, Yaya christ Bishops with us next newstb.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Listen, questions, answers, facts, analysis, The drive show you trust
for the full picture. Heather Duplessy on Drive with One
New Zealand Let's Get Connected News talks.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
That afternoon the government will scrap petrol taxes and replace
them instead with road user charges for everyone. The petrol
tax is about seventy cents per liter at the pump. Diesel,
electric and heavy vehicles already paid charges based on the
distant is that they travel. Chris Bishop is the Transport Minister.
Haybish good E, So how is this going to work?
Are we're all going to have to count our cas

(34:07):
and then file some paperwork?

Speaker 18 (34:09):
No, what you'll have to do is essentially run an
electronic system. We already have this for trucks, for example,
they use electronic ruck now, so they just the truck
has a little transponder which is linked in to a
payment system, and the trucks pay electronically depending on how
much they use and obviously based on the weight of

(34:31):
the trucks.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
That will be like that for everybody else as well.

Speaker 18 (34:33):
And my anticipation is that people will have it linked
into an app or some sort of electronic system, and
you know, you'll pay weekly or potentially a monthly.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
You just get a bill and you'll pay, and you.

Speaker 18 (34:43):
Won't have to pay when you pay at the petrol pump,
because petrol tax won't exist anymore. Everyone, no matter what
the propulsion type, will be paying road user charges. What
happens if you don't pay well, in the same way
that it happens now, you're breaking the law and you
have to will it actually be a lot easier to
enforce it them in the new system than what we
have at the moment, because the ruck system is paper

(35:03):
based at the moment. And you know you've got to
you know, you've got to go online, you've got to
buy it one thousand kilometer chunks. Heaps of people don't
do that, and you know you've got to and you've
got to display it, you know, a paper form on
the top of your dashboard. So it'll all be electronic,
linked into a system, and it'll be against the law
to not do that.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
But like if you get your if you get your
power bill and you don't pay it, your power goes off.
So what happens if you don't pay this bill, car
doesn't stop.

Speaker 18 (35:28):
Well, there'll be there'll be there'll be penalties obviously, which
which will well enforce and you know, all of that
will be worked out as we pass the legislation and
you know, I've got two to three years as we
do that. But it will be against the law and
there will be a range of penalties, and we'll be
talking to the police about how to enforce that in
the same way they enforce everything else on the roads
as well, including including WAFT for example. Yeah, and the

(35:49):
current road user system as well.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Will it cost the same as it does now? So
for example, whatever I'm paying in petrol tax, will I
be charged? Should I be expecting to pay about the
same in rucks?

Speaker 18 (36:01):
Yes, that's the intention the intention is not to The
intention is to protect the revenue base of the National
Land Transport Fund at the moment. Right, So if we
don't make this change, what's happening at the moment with
the rise of fuel efficient vehicles. You know, ten years
ago there was about twelve thousand of them on the
road of hybrids. Now we've got about three hundred and
fifty thousand hybrids on the roads. And the revenue base

(36:24):
for the National Land Transport Fund, which pays for the
new roads and pays for the maintenance of the existing roads,
that is gradually diminishing because of the rise of fuel
efficient vehicles and electric vehicles and things like that.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
So if we don't make.

Speaker 18 (36:37):
This change, we will over time erode the way in
which we pay for our roads. And my simple messages,
we have to keep investing in our roading network. You know,
dis Goverment's put a record amount into pothole prevention and maintenance,
for example, and I've got a huge program of roads
of national significance we want to build out around the
country and we need to continue to pay for our

(37:00):
But if we don't make this change, that the ability
to do that will be hindered. And you know, we
simply have You know, someone is going to have to
make this change. We're just recognizing reality and we're getting
on with it, and we're doing it in a careful
and deliberate way. We're not we're not rushing it. You know,
we're not saying tomorrow you're going to start paying electronic
road user charges. We're doing it in a careful, weequenced way. Well,

(37:24):
we'll pass legislation next year. By twenty twenty seven, there'll
be a range of providers that will provide electronic ruck
for people, and at some point after that we will
do the big switcher Rooney, We'll do the big changeover
and everyone will be required to use that.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Okay, Now I'm getting a lot of texts from people
saying things like, I know, people with a five hundred
bucks scanner to turn back the odometer. Can people get
around your system like that?

Speaker 18 (37:48):
No, they won't be able to. I mean, there's a
couple of things. One is that cars that are entering
the fleet now actually have built into the car the
technology to link into electronic road user charges. So other
countries have this now, right, So cars that are entering
the fleet already have that modern cars. The second is
that you can get little transponders that you know, you
can put in your car or on your dashboard that

(38:09):
link into how much you're traveling, and that can link
into the payment.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
System as well.

Speaker 18 (38:14):
So there's a range of different scenarios that we'll work
through as part of designing the system. But it won't
be as simple as just winding your adometer back.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
That won't be possible, all right, but thanks very much,
Chris Boshop, Transport Minister. Eleven past five, Heather Duplice Allen
make it twelve past five. The unemployment rate has risen
to five point two percent now. That is the highest
rate since late twenty twenty. Not as bad as expected
though we were picking five point three. Michael Gordon is
Westpac senior economist and with us, Hey, Michael, do you

(38:42):
reckon this is the worst we're going to see or
are we going to go further from here?

Speaker 19 (38:46):
I think we're getting near the end, not necessarily there yet.
This has really been, I guess, a continuation of the
slowdown in the economy that's been running for a couple
of years now, and we don't know that was really
not not unsurprising given that we had the Reserve Bank
raising interest rates to try and bring inflation under control.

(39:07):
So we're just seeing this very delayed impact that's still
coming through in the jobs market. I think we are
getting towards the end. We have seen economic activity picking up,
but it's just not coming through in terms of businesses
need to hire just yet.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Are we being saved by the underutilization rate here?

Speaker 15 (39:25):
Not?

Speaker 19 (39:26):
Really? The underutilization rate is a broader measure, and therefore
you end up with a higher number. Some people do
like to pick it out because it is a higher number,
but when it comes down to it, it is telling
us much the same story as the unemployment rate itself.
They're both back to around where they were in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Now, what do you expect we're going to get it
as a result of this, with the Reserve Bank still
seeing a.

Speaker 19 (39:52):
Cut, Well, this looks to be pretty much right on
what they were expecting, so I don't think it's new
information for them. So I think we're really coming back
to what their existing thinking was, and I think the
sense from their last statement was that they were looking
at a cut in probably in August. Some of them
wanted to last time, wanted to wait and see how

(40:12):
the inflation numbers and so on turned out. But I
think it's a pretty strong expectation we'll get another cut
this time. What they signal beyond that, I think they'd
be more interesting. Do they signal that there's a strong
chance of another cut or two by the end of
the year, or they thought they just leave that there
as an option.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, good stuff, Michael, Thanks very much, Michael Gordon, Westpac
senior economists.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Together do for Sea Allen Heather.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
I work in the automotive industry, and it is amazing
how many cars turn out out of rucks and not
buy a few hundred, often in the tens of thousands.
So watch people wrute the system. Thanks Michelle. It's much
easier to rut the system, isn't it. If you go
to the petrol pump, you just fill it up. There's
your tax paid already. This one much easier to rut.
So I think that the enforcement is going to be
the problem here. I've got a question for you. Okay,

(40:56):
how many times do you think police fired their guns
last year, the whole of twenty twenty four, all of
our police, how many times do you think they fired
their guns? Have a guess for me, and then I'll
tell you quarter past five. Have you heard about New
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(41:17):
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Speaker 2 (42:10):
Together Duper Clan.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Eighteen past five. Now there is get a load of this,
almost one and a half billion dollars left in unpaid
GST and pay aye business tax from last year's tax
here over a billion of that is just the GST.
Tony Morris is the iid's customer segment manager and with us, Hey, Tony,
thanks having me on, Yeah, thank you. It seems incredibly high.

(42:33):
Is that higher than previous years or about normal?

Speaker 17 (42:37):
Definitely going up. The depth bo's going up each year
by about a billion dollars. So and as you say,
a lot of that's TST and employer text, but it's
in line sort of what's technic overseas as well. But
definitely an area we're putting more focus on now thinking
about that.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Is this a sign of how much stress businesses are under?

Speaker 17 (43:00):
Definitely we think it's some of that. It's also a
bit of a sign that during COVID we eased off
our decollection activities. A little bit around and didn't didn't
push as hard, so and we didn't probably look to
help businesses or recreate businesses then that we're struggling to survive.
So what we're seeing is a bit of an increase
in the amount of companies getting in debt, and some

(43:23):
of those are the ones that possibly would have failed
earlier during COVID, So we're definitely seeing an increase. And
what we need to do and what we're looking at
is how do we get to the pa y and
the jest earlier as soon as they're going to debt,
because once people get into debt, it could be hard
to get out of. So we're certainly focusing on that.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
I can understand why construction is the worst, but I'm
kind of surprised that the next stuff is real estate services,
rental and hiring. What explains that.

Speaker 17 (43:49):
Yeah, I'm not not sure. That's a step that we've
sort of seen. I know that that come from our
area and been put like that what we sort of
seeing in some of the stuff we're doing moment. Certainly
small businesses are struggling the most with the debt and
also the amount that we ride off, so right across
that small business area, which could be in the real

(44:11):
estate services or other areas like that, but certainly the
construction area is an area sort of in the bigger
at the bigger end of town that we do that.
And what we're seeing in some of the areas is
that instead of people paying entities, paying their pawoy or TST,
they're actually using us as a bit of a bank
because it's probably easier to get the money. I was
at a conference today where that came up quite clearly

(44:34):
from the outside world. It's easy to get money off
PEPs and borrow. So that's something we need to look
at and change, sure other policies or just being a
bit more firmer to our proache.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
I'm sure that's not really what you want, Tony, Thanks
very much, Tony Morris, I AD Customer Segment Manager, Heather.
I reckon the cops fire the gun once here the
I reckon seven times, four times, not enough times. Ants
reckons seventy nine times. I'm gonna come back to that.
We're going to talk shortly about the Annual Grocery Report.
This has just been released today. According to the Annual

(45:05):
Grocery you're going to get a lot more of this
every year now because we've got the grocery commissioner and stuff. Anyway,
Apparently we are the fifth highest spenders in the developed
world on groceries. So for context, Australia is number eleven,
UK is number sixteen. This is how it goes, in order,
from one to five. Number one, Iceland number two, Luxembourg

(45:26):
number three, Israel number four, Italy number five. New Zealand
grocery commissioners with us just after half past five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and youth talks.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
They'd be heither. The cops fired their guns one hundred
and three times five twenty four. It was actually only
three times. That is how many times the police fired
their weapons all of last year. That is way lower
than I expected. Three times. It's even more remarkable if
I tell you that they had guns pointed at them
nineteen times last year. They had guns fired at them

(46:07):
eight times, and they didn't fire back every single time.
They drew their guns six hundred and twenty eight times,
So six hundred and twenty eight times cops got their
guns out, they put them back six hundred and twenty
five times, never fired. It only fired three times last
year was not an anomaly. Even in the worst years
like twenty seventeen, they only fired eight times. The same

(46:28):
is true of tases. They pulled their tases out last
year two thousand and sixty eight times. They only discharged
them about four hundred and twenty times. Four of it
was actually four hundred and seventeen. Four of them were accidental,
So we just we'll call it a four thirteen. We'll
say they fired them four thirteen times when they meant to,
which means that they only fired their tasers once every
five times that they got them out. Now, you know,

(46:49):
for all of the grief that we give the cops,
for all the times that they get told off for
what happens when they're arresting difficult buggers like the they
the only ones that could possibly be the bad guys
in those and se stances. For all the year, the
hours and the column inches that we spent angsting over
what would happen if our cops were regularly armed, they
actually prove every single year, just like last year, that

(47:12):
they are very very careful, that they are considered and
that they I would argue, can actually be trusted with
firearms should we ever give them to them on the regular?
Three times would tell you.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
That ever do to see Allen?

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Now you know, yes, th I was having a good
old winge about the brazier with the stickers in this
new world. And you know, so anyway they had they
had to think about it overnight and they thought, okay, okay,
they'll come on the show. It's been a bit of
a kerfuffle, but it's because it's a couple of grocery
things happening at the same time. And so initially they
were going to give us the bird who does the marketing,
to come on and talk about that. And we said, look,

(47:47):
we're going to probably have to talk to you about
the situation with how expensive groceries are, because you know,
Pierre the grocery commission to put out his important stuff.
So is she okay? No, they said no, she can't
dare So she's been stood down and the big boss,
Chris Quinn is going to be on the show after
seven o'clock. I mean, I feel six sorry because our chaufin.
After seven o'clock, I'm going home. No, don't don't bother

(48:09):
don't bother listening for Chris Quinn. Then I feel sorry
for Chris Quinn because he is the CEO, and I
feel like there are better things for him to be
doing than talking about stickers with with Heather from Auckland.
Frustrated of Auckland. He doesn't need this in his life,
but such as you know life and this is what
has happened. So anyway, he's going to hear us after
seven to chat about that. What have I got you

(48:31):
bear with Gracie Abrams, I love you, I'm sorry. Another
one of the finalists for the MTV VMAs this year,
the grocery Commissioner Next Hello Show.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
After making the news, the news makers talk to Heather first,
it's Heather due to see Ellen drive with one new zealift.
Let's get connected news dogs.

Speaker 10 (49:00):
They'd be in the back garden.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
Pop you puss up, We give our streatful baby. What
was that saying.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
This is the best single bet of my life?

Speaker 3 (49:14):
What was that again? One of the finalists for the
MTV VMAs. Hey, you know yesterday we were talking on
the show about with the fact that we don't talk
enough about what goes on with kids being bashed by
their parents and adults and stuff like that. I actually
have a little update on that for you, and I'll
get to it before six o'clock. And then a reminder
after six o'clock. Food stuffs, if you've been collecting the
smeake stickers and you want the brasier, we'll see what

(49:35):
we can do to get you the braser after six.
The huddle standing by, it's twenty four away from six.

Speaker 15 (49:40):
Now.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
We've got the annual Grocery Report out today. It shows
that we pay the fifth most in the world, in
the developed world, at least for groceries, and it shows
that food stuffs had a higher profit percentage than international
supermarkets like Walmart, Tesco and Sainsbury's Pa van Head And
is the Grocery Commissioner, hey Piero, how is it that

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they are making more, at least in terms of profit
percentage than the likes of Walmart.

Speaker 11 (50:08):
Well, what the report shows is that the gross margins
have actually stabilized after years of increasing, so that at
least is a good sign that there is some progress.
But competition is needed in order to bring those margins
down further.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
And you know that's.

Speaker 11 (50:25):
Why we so focused on using all the tools we
have available to ensure that we do get competition going
in the market for the long term.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Okay, when you calculate that we pay the fifth highest
for groceries in the developed world, is it like full like?
Are we including, for example, somebody's pointed out on the
texts that alcohol is not included in Australia because they
cannot sell alcohol in the supermarkets. Are we counting it
as part of our purchase here?

Speaker 11 (50:53):
The OECD have got a basket that they compare and
those are the figures that we use. So I believe
it is apples for apples.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
So it's not about it. It is looking at you,
if you're buying your milk and your cheese and your
broccoli and your toast whatever, how much A costs here
versus how much A costs elsewhere.

Speaker 11 (51:12):
That's my understanding of those HEDE report.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Yes, now, peer, what are we going to do about this?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Well?

Speaker 11 (51:19):
Either, when I look at the report, you know there's
there's signs of progress, but there's still a long way
to go. I know consumers are struggling out out there.
But we've got to remember that this regime was put
in place to ensure that we get long term competition
that's sustainable and also efficiency in the industry. I don't

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have the tools to get short term results. It is
a long game, as I've said all along, and there's
no one silver bullet. You know, you've mentioned before the
different tools that we use as Grocery Commissioner. I'm involved
in every one.

Speaker 10 (51:55):
Of those areas.

Speaker 11 (51:57):
So whether it's the Commerce Act, Fair Trading Act, or
the Grocery Industry Competition Act that we use to enforce
things with, I'm involved across all of those to ensure
consistency and that we have the focus on the whole industry.
It's a twenty eight billion dollar industry which hasn't changed
for a long time, but I'm seeing signs that there's

(52:19):
some behavioral change happening.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Is that going to be enough or do we are?
We actually relying quite heavily on whatever it is that
Nikola Willis announces in the next few weeks.

Speaker 11 (52:30):
Well, whatever the government is doing is in addition to
what we're doing. Our report will help inform the government
on what the current state is. So it looks at
last year, it looks at this year, and it informs
them of all of that, and then they.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Coming aside where do they take more away ahead of
this big announcement that we're now all waiting for. Has
she come to you guys and ask for some help
with ideas?

Speaker 11 (52:54):
We meet with the Minister regularly as well as with
MB and provide them within sites and information from the industry,
But the policy basically sits with the government.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
What is the idea that you've told her would be
the best idea?

Speaker 11 (53:10):
Well, we wouldn't go into detail with that because we
basically meet confidentially with a minister.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
What is happening in the.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Industry have you given Have you given her ideas?

Speaker 11 (53:24):
We've spoken about where the industry is at at the
moment and what is required in order to get structural
change within the industry.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
How hard do you reckon she's going to go? I mean,
are we talking about significant stuff that's going to make
a real difference or are we just talking about tinkering here.

Speaker 11 (53:41):
Well, that that's something that you'll need to ask the
Minister and the government about. You know, we very focused
on making sure we're doing everything in our power to
use every single tool we have to get change.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
If she just did tinkering, would that be sufficient?

Speaker 11 (53:59):
Well, again, you know that's a decision that the government
of the day makes. I'm here to make sure that
whatever tools I've got to use them to the best effect.
And as I said in this report, we can see
some progress being made and that will help us inform
us where to focus on.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
As a result, I'm trying to get a handle of
kind of what it is, how big the problem is,
and how big we have to go to fix it. Like,
are we talking about a problem that is so big
that we need I don't know, some forced divestment here
or some structural breakup. Is that what we're dealing with?

Speaker 11 (54:36):
Well, I think you're aware that the problem is big.
The Heather Kiwis are struggling. We don't have enough competition
in the market. We are one of the countries in
the world with the least amount of competition in the
superharer market industry, and that is why some of these
unique tools have been brought in to try and ensure

(54:58):
that we focus on how do we get that change going?
And then it's up to the policy makers.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
So big, big problem equals must have big a big solution,
basically a big fix to fix it. Now, do you
have any idea what she's going to announce.

Speaker 11 (55:15):
No, we haven't been taken into confidence on the government's announcements,
and you know that is something that they will determine
when they announced that.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Interesting Hey, Peer, thanks very much, Peer. Vnhead and Grocery Commissioner.
Right now, eighteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes Uniquely.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
For you com the Huddle with us this evening. Connor
English of Silver Eye Communications. Jack Tame, host of Q
and A and Saturday Mornings on ZB. Hi you two,
I'm well, thank you, Jack. Are you like me? I
am sick of talking about this. I just want to
know what she's announcing.

Speaker 15 (55:50):
Talking about. I mean, you know, he's doing an earnest
job there, so I think he I think he got
to summed everything up with the second or third season A,
which was he doesn't have the tools to address the
major issues in the short term. I mean it comes
down to the government, right I think I think the
report today kind of shows the government what most of

(56:11):
us already knew. There might have been a few marginal improvements,
but there's still a distinct lack of competition in the space.
It'll be fascinating to see what Nichola Wis does decide
to do, because I'm sure she's got all sorts of
pretty connected you know, companies and people speaking in her ear.
But you know, you can imagine, given the price of
groceries at the moment, it's you know, it would potentially

(56:34):
be a pretty a pretty popular political move if she
were to take a big step in trying to address
like a problem like what well, like some sort of
structural separation.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
You reckon, that would be popular.

Speaker 15 (56:47):
Well if it could be proven that it would lead
to greater competition. And this I mean that the proof
of the pudding is always in the eating right, so
that might be there might be a potentially difficult cell.
But I think anything that was that were shown to
make more of an impact than just annualized reporting on
the on the margins relative to other OECD countries, I

(57:09):
think would probably be welcome. There's some cooundered in that
thing today. Absolutely astonishment so that five billion dollars is
being paid in rebates and discounts and promotional payments by
suppliers to system markets I mean is it is a
fantastic figure and you can see how that sort of
thing locks out smaller players. But yeah, I mean it's

(57:30):
it's these things are always delicate.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Let's give no, let's get connor, connor. If Jack is
right that it's going to be something popular, something big
like that is popular, that is devastating for investor confidence
in this country, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Well maybe, but what what the government's got to do
is deal with us cost of living in crisis that
we're all dealing with. And and you know groceries as
a crucial area that even New Zealand is by every day.
It's the same in the energy sector. You know, energy
prices are through the roof. Grocery prices feel like they're
through the roof. The report might be saying they're flattening

(58:10):
off or whatever, the margins are flattening off, but we
are still a very expensive country to buy some tuckt
to have some dinner.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
We So do you think if she was to announce
something as big as that, you would you give her
a round of applause for it?

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Well, we've run with the current model for the last
fifty years and everyone seems to be complaining about the
price of groceries. So what do you do that's different?
And that is significant. So you know, governments do restructure
industries from time to time. We saw it in the
dairy sector with the formation of Fonterra. We've seen it
in other sectors, doing it in the health sector, they're

(58:44):
doing it in the education sector. Why wouldn't you look
at the grocery sector and say the energy sector when
they are things that are making a real difference in
people's lives.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Well maybe because you'd freak everybody out and they wouldn't
put any money into the country. Let's take a break.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Come back quarter two, the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's
International Realty, the ones for Unmatched Results.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Right, you're back on the huddle with Jack tam and
Connor English. Jack, what do you think about it, this
idea of ditching the petrol tax and moving to rucks.

Speaker 15 (59:12):
Yeah, no problem with it personally, It's not going to
make much of a difference in our household. It was
probably just a case of when rather than if, Although
I think one thing to give a close eye on
is whether or not this ends up being revenue neutral
in the long term. For anyone who's followed some of
the challenges in the infrastructure space, Basically, the way we

(59:32):
fund most roads is through the Land Transport Fund, which
comes from your excise tax, but that hasn't been enough
for some of the projects in recent years, so the
government's been topping it up with capital allocations and increasingly
with some of the big roading projects that this government
is prioritizing. It's very hard to see how even with
tolls and the Land Transport Fund, they're going to get
anywhere near the money they need to fund some of

(59:54):
those projects. So I think the question over time is
whether or not we all end up paying much more
with rucks than we were with excise taxes in order
to fund some of the stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
I reckon Connor enforcement is going to be the big
problem here because already people buck around with the rucks
and they don't pay them, and like it's apparently it's
tens of thousands of people who just don't bother to
do it. So if this is across the whole roading community,
the whole motoring community, it will be massive, won't it.

Speaker 15 (01:00:18):
Look.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
I know that there's a lot of technology solutions you
can bring to beer now'll that'll simplify the administration of
it as well as the enforcement of it. So I
think that you know, technology will solve all that problem,
I would imagine probably.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
So do you think, Connor that we go for the
bike the cyclists as well? Check a little ruck on them?

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
Well, I guess, and theory they wear out the roads
as well, don't they. But you know, maybe they should
get a rebate because you might be a bit healthier
because they do a bit more exercise with them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
I reckon, Jack, you go the electric scooters and the bikes.

Speaker 15 (01:00:52):
You know what I reckon? I reckon, I reckon. We want,
and Seene devise as many people to cycle as possible,
because every person who cycles instead of driving makes the
congestion that much better for you getting to work. Who's
you hither, Duplicyl?

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
You think I don't ride a bike?

Speaker 15 (01:01:09):
No, I think you ride sometimes, Queen, I'm using the queen.
The Queen.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
I think you make a good point hither though, that
there is a lot of cycle lanes in New Zealand,
and I'm not sure that the cyclists are paying for
those being paid so much, you know, just because.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Jack wants a freebie. Jackson like which pays except for me.

Speaker 15 (01:01:31):
The thing is, though, guys, we want to get people
out of cars and onto bikes because it reduces the
congestions if.

Speaker 9 (01:01:36):
You want to less.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
But they still got to pay. I mean, everybody's got
to pay for what they're doing. Right, Why don't you
just make broccoli freezing? Jack?

Speaker 15 (01:01:44):
What do I make exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Don't worry about.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Don't you want more people in the same car instead
of three cars driving along the road or four cars?
Just have you know, four people in one car?

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Yeah, why don't we do that? Why don't we have
a discount for people with multiple people in the car?

Speaker 10 (01:01:59):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Are you surprised, Connor that the cops only fired their
guns three times last year?

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
I am, because that's not many times, is it? And
given the amount of crime that we see reported in
the newspaper every day, you would think that they're the
three every half hour. So I'm very surprised by this.

Speaker 15 (01:02:16):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
I'm pleased about it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
I'm really pleased about it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
So, Jack, what do you reckon is this? Is this
actually an argue? Does this actually lead us closer to saying, well,
maybe they can be trusted with a gun on their hip.

Speaker 15 (01:02:26):
I mean, I don't think it suggests that. I think
it suggests that police perhaps don't need to be regular
or routinely armed at the moment, but I wasn't just
by the three last year, I was surprised to learn
that they only averaged about five and a half times
after over the last several years. So actually, police firing
the guns is generally very rare in New Zealand. That

(01:02:47):
being said, they're still being shot at many more times
than they are discharging their own fire. But yeah, I mean,
I think it probably shows that some of the de
escalation stuff is working pretty effectively, and you know that,
you know, cases and that sort of thing. So yeah, yeah,
I think it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Yeah, I'm stoked, but I'm really impressed. Actually, guys, it's
wonderful to talk to you. Thank you. Connor English Jack
Tame our huddle. Eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
It's the Heather Dupless All and Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Heather, So, I pay tax on my pay then what's left.
I used to pay GST on my petrol. I pay
for a regio with more GST attached, and then I
pay tolls on the pen link and then I pay
rucks on the k's Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Okay? So Mark Why are you surprised by this because
you're if you're not paying rucks, you're paying petrol tax.
Or This is where I think that the idea is
brilliant because I reckon it brings some transparency so people
can see what's got I think a lot of people
just go to the petrol station, just put the bowser
and go cluck, black, black, blackl I pay, Oh, I
hate b pay. Look at how much I just paid,
not realizing how much of that is actually going to

(01:03:51):
the government. But when you split it out and BP
just charges you the BP charge and then the government
comes at you with this is what it costs to
drive on the roads. All of a sudden, I reckon,
you going to care a lot more, maybe drive a
bit less. Maybe want to see those cyclists pay for
those cycle lanes, because remember some of the cycle lanes.
You know, like Jason, that people need to wrap the bags,
But some of those cycle lanes have actually taken away

(01:04:12):
a lane for you, right, so you're paying, you're paying
for it. You're like you've lost the lane and now
you're paying for that guy to ride over there on
his nice little fancy cycle lane. That guy being me
because as I said, I am actually cycling around from
time to time. Now, shame on me. Five away from
six now the cops have arrested a man over that
three month old baby girl who was taken to hospital

(01:04:34):
in Wellington with multiple broken bones. This girl was taken
to hospital around about the fourteenth of June, so it's
nearly two months ago. He was arrested for that last week.
Last week he was arrested. We only found out about
it today. Now this kind of proves my point, doesn't it.
But this is the point I was trying to make
yesterday is we do not talk about this stuff enough.
Like the minute it happens, it just disappears away. Thank god,

(01:04:56):
somebody in the police decided today, oh we didn't tell anyone,
arrested somebody for bashing that little girl, and put it
put out, put out a press release, and put out
a press release. So now I can talk to you
about it now. I don't know why they did it today.
There is a part of me that wonders if they
heard what we were saying on the show yesterday and
they thought, actually, no, that's a fair point, let's talk
about it a bit more. And if that is the case,
Thank you for coming to the party, because I do

(01:05:16):
think we need to talk about it. So here we go.
I'm going to talk about it. He's twenty three. Police
investigated because the injuries were unusual in a three month
old child, including a broken ome broken arm. Three months
old generally do not have broken arms. He has been
charged with four counts of assaulting a child relating to
the minor injuries, which sounds like once they start dealing

(01:05:36):
with the major injuries, he's going to be facing a
few more charges. And I'm thrilled that that is happening,
because you want to bash a baby. I mean, you
think about us smaller three month What's the hell is
wrong with this guy? Allegedly this guy three month old?
What is wrong anyway?

Speaker 10 (01:05:51):
Writer?

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Answer? What is it?

Speaker 20 (01:05:54):
If the.

Speaker 10 (01:05:57):
What about?

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Bruno Mars and Lady Pagar die with a smile? Another
finalist for the MTV VMAs this year. I don't know,
am I being unfairans, but I feel a little bit
about this year's increase.

Speaker 9 (01:06:15):
I like the Lord's song. Other than that, yeah, not
a lot on here that I'm super excited about.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Like, I don't I don't feel like any of them,
you know how you've got your kind of like your
playlist of the world's best bangers that you take.

Speaker 9 (01:06:27):
On your the Australia best songs of all time that
were better than that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
It was much Yeah, the Australia has single handedly beaten
the world this year. Anyway, we'll bring you some more
of the mccris quinn of food Stuff's next on whether
he's going to get us some of those brases for
your stickers. A News talks bo.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
We're Business meets Insight the Business Hour. We're the Heather Duplessy,
Allen and Mas for Trust at Home Insurance Solutions, Newstalk said.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Evening. Coming up in the next hour, Milfit Asset Management
on the latest trend of country leaders pressuring central banks.
Genatibstraineye on whether the promises of bipartisanship from today's infrastructure
summit will actually last. And Gavin Gray will do the
UK for us at seven past six. Now, once again
New World has run out of the big prize in
their supermarket promotion. This time it's the Smeake Brasier. Previously

(01:07:27):
it's been the Knife Block, or it's been the Master
Chef Crockery or whatever. Chris Quinn is the CEO of
food Stuff's North Island and with us.

Speaker 6 (01:07:34):
Hello Chris, good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Now if people have got enough stickers, the forty five
stickers and the sixty dollars for the brazier, will you
honor it?

Speaker 21 (01:07:43):
So, Look, we've been blown away by how popular this
has been, Heather, and just the demand. And as we've
probably talked about before, we try and guess a year ahead,
what ones, what items are going to be the most popular.
And you know, we like to think that everyone will
get the item they wanted, but guessing what mix of
the five or six items that we have in this

(01:08:04):
promotion would be desired and where they would sit is
you know, we get international advice, we get local advice.
We give it a best shot. Probably one thing that
hasn't been talked about. We ordered seventy thousand of these braziers,
and we've been blown away by how many people decided
that was the thing they wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Is there no opportunity for you to say to get
the people in who want them and go, Okay, there's
another five hundred people, and go and get those ordersm
for these people.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
We ordered them a year ago.

Speaker 21 (01:08:36):
Because you've got a slot into a production schedule with
the manufacturer internationally. We got the number that we thought
would you know, never be desired, and has turned out
to be the number. We have for the last little
while been scraping the barrel wherever we can, and we
know we've got another couple of thousand on the way.
I don't know how many people out there, you know,

(01:08:57):
this is still their heart's desire and the one they
want the most. We have got five other items in
the promotion, and we've still got stock of those five
other items. This one we've scraped the bottom of the
barrel and got as many as we possibly can. We
just can't get any more manufactured.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Yeah, So who's doing the estimating for you? Because the
person doing the estimating sucks at it because they do
this every time.

Speaker 6 (01:09:16):
Well, it's not the same person.

Speaker 21 (01:09:18):
And we use a global sourcing company who tell us
about the trends from every other country that these promotions
have been run, give us an indication of the mix.
We test that against our best knowledge locally, but it's
a very hard thing to predict us to have.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
You Look, I take your point, and I totally accept
that you can't possibly know what people actually want. But
have you got some sort of a system where in
real time you can see you're down to five and
you need to warn people Listen, we're down to five.
Get in quickly.

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
Oh.

Speaker 21 (01:09:44):
Absolutely, And that's why on every store's entrance there is
a board saying where stock is up to and what's
running low, and what's not available.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
And explain this pages.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Explain this to me.

Speaker 6 (01:09:55):
Do so.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
The person that I know that's the most frustrated about
this is Emma comm frustrated of Centtalias. And what happened
is that she has she had the forty five stickers,
and she had the sixty dollars. She shops at the
Mission Bay New World. At the Mission Bay New World
for two weeks, they had to sign up saying we're
out of stock, but we are getting restocked. For two
weeks they told her they were getting restocked. So Emma thought,

(01:10:17):
it's totally fine. I'm not going to go to another
I'm not going to go to another New World anywhere
in the city because my New World will have it
in two weeks time or at some point. Now they're
not getting it all.

Speaker 21 (01:10:26):
What happened there, well, there is a very small number
more on the way so there is more stock coming
and it will be distributed. It's not I don't believe
it's going to be able to meet all of the
demand we've heard about. We have grabbed every single one
we can in the time frame that we can. You know,
this program runs through to the end of August and
then people can redeem until the middle of September, and

(01:10:47):
we've got as many more as we can.

Speaker 6 (01:10:49):
So it's been unclear.

Speaker 21 (01:10:50):
We've been fighting to get this some more stock once
we saw the level of demand, and that'll be why
the store was signaling that is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
It possible for you guys, because listen, it's twenty twenty five,
it's the information age. We've got apps and you've got
collapse and stuff like that. Can you not put a
real time ticker out there for people with literally how
much of how many of these things you have in
the country left ticking down as people take them away,
so people can know whether they're going to get their
thing or not.

Speaker 21 (01:11:15):
Look, we haven't got that ability today. It's an idea
that we should debate and see whether we can. But
part of the issue is the item isn't a bar
coded stock item, so it doesn't run throughund normal systems.
It's said, some physical stock in the store.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Now, well put a bar code on it. And you
guys do barcodes, don't you. But you've got to solve this, Chris,
you can't do this every year. It's make I'll tell
you what it did to me. I looked at it
this year and I thought, no, I'm not going to
bother because I know they're going to run out of
that thing. You don't want that to be how people behave.

Speaker 21 (01:11:44):
Look, although you know, the evidence clearly is people have
really got into this way more than we thought, and
this was the item that needed the most because they
actually needed cash as well, and we thought that will
have some demand, but not the demand of all the
other items. Turns out, what people are is that it's
a great item. It's got quality, it's a brand that
people are proud to have in their houses and seventy thousand.

(01:12:07):
You know, I think at the beginning we all said, men,
we're going to know what are we going to do.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
With the leftover stock?

Speaker 21 (01:12:11):
Because every planning indication we had we were well covered.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
You're not doing this deliberately, are you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
For attention?

Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
No?

Speaker 21 (01:12:18):
No, not at all. This is not the attention we'd
love to be getting. We'd love to be getting attention
from people saying I love my brazier and here's another casserole.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
All right, Well, brought to more next time. Hey, the
grocery reports come out, it's made the point that you
guys food stuffs have had a higher profit percentage than
the likes of Walbart and Tescos and says, how on
earth how are you doing that?

Speaker 21 (01:12:39):
Look, you know, comparison of these things is you know,
it was a fine art. What we do know last
five years, on average, our net profit after tax, which
is a different number to the number that the commission
have used, has been three point six cents in the dollar.
Everything that we have said puts us middle to upper
in the pack of retailers.

Speaker 6 (01:12:59):
We're proud of that.

Speaker 21 (01:13:00):
We think that, you know, business is being successful by
earning customers and getting great loyalty and delivering.

Speaker 6 (01:13:05):
Value is what we should be doing.

Speaker 21 (01:13:08):
And it enables us to invest in communities all over
the North Island that wouldn't be possible otherwise if we
didn't have the resources. So, you know, these comparisons are
quite difficult to get equal into the bottom of, particularly
for companies that are listed in some that aren't.

Speaker 6 (01:13:23):
But what we do know is when we compare.

Speaker 21 (01:13:25):
Our prices to LD in Australia or to Tesco in
the UK and Pekin Save, New Zealanders are getting a
great value option through a store like that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Okay, do you have any idea what Nikola Wallis is
planning for you in her announcement?

Speaker 21 (01:13:40):
Look, no, we don't, and you know it wouldn't be
you know, the Minister would never you know that they wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (01:13:44):
Consult with us.

Speaker 21 (01:13:45):
As such, we are positively engaged with government where we've
shared our ideas about what would make food prices cheaper
in New Zealand and what would help us lower cost
so that we.

Speaker 6 (01:13:56):
Can do that for our customers.

Speaker 21 (01:13:58):
They're listening to that and engaging and asking questions and
you know we're contributing to the conversation, as are manufacturers
and suppliers and many other bodies.

Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
But we don't know of the planning.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
So I had a couple of guys on the huddle
earlier who I had thought up to that point were
quite rational and right thinking, and both of them thought
that forced structural separation would be a good thing. Now
if they think that how worried to you that she
actually comes out with something like that.

Speaker 21 (01:14:26):
Well, I can't you know, we can't limit what the
Minister thinks and all the ideas are there, but we
are absolutely clear it's not been done in any other
market in the world in this category and hasn't been
done before in New Zealand in terms of private organizations
being structurally separated. It will only add cost in this
scaler market. And I think one of the things the

(01:14:46):
Commission confirmed today is in New Zealand's few cities that
have scale Auckland, christ Church places like that, there is
a good level of competition. So in Auckland thirty percent
of the offer is not in the.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
Two large players.

Speaker 21 (01:15:01):
You know that customers using, and so competition is emerging
and going after the business where they see an opportunity
to do that sustainably. This is it's so different to
industries where there's been a monopoly esset. There just isn't
one in this industry. So structural separation like you might
do in a telco or a fuel environment just doesn't
make sense in the structure.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Yeah, well listen, good luck with it, Chris, and thank
you very much for coming to talk to us. I
appreciate your time. That's Chris Quinn, CEO of food Stuff's
North Island Quarter Past.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
It's the Heather Dupless Alan Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Now I need to run you through what's going on
with Winston. I can. If you are scrolling Facebook tonight
and you come across a video of Winston Peter's promising
to tell you how you can make heaps of money,
don't believe it. Not that you will because this is
what it sounds like.

Speaker 22 (01:15:49):
This isn't another scam video. I respect your time and
want to earn your trust. I'm not making empty promises
like so many others do. So what's the difference between
me and Scar? First of all, I'm not selling you anything.
I'm here because I want ordinary New Zealanders to succeed.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
I mean that sounds a hell of a lot like
an African accent, doesn't an African accent trying not to
be an African accent?

Speaker 10 (01:16:12):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Anyway, it's got Winston. So it's Winston sitting in front
of a New Zealand flag. He's got his suit on,
he's got the tie in the handkerchief combo. It looks
like Winston, but it still sounds like.

Speaker 22 (01:16:21):
This platform helps everyday New Zealanders earn up to one
thousand New Zealand dollars in net profit every single day.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
When I said African, did I mean American or a
combo of the two nineteen past six, Heather, Jeremy Hasson
Milford asset management with me right.

Speaker 23 (01:16:36):
Now, how Jeremy, Good evening, Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Now, government debt levels arising. We've got and this is globally,
we've got the interest bills for government's huge and growing issue.
A concept of fiscal dominance is emerging. What is this
all about?

Speaker 23 (01:16:50):
Yeah, many governments globally are at risk of permanent structural
deficits in their finances, particularly if they can't cover their
interest bills each year or even reduce their heavy debt loads.
As we know, cutting spending and increasing taxes is obviously
very unpopular with the voters. So politicians are looking at
some rather unusual ways at trying to reduce the annual

(01:17:13):
interest bill, and one of those is trying to order
central banks to lower interest rates. Or this concept called
fiscal dominance, and this is the primary driver of the
ongoing stash between President Trump and Jerome Powell. We know
the US government deficit is pretty much out of control
and there's no real trajectory of it ever reducing. So

(01:17:34):
Trump and other governments around the world have been pretty
active in calling for lower interest rates to try and
keep the government solvent and keep government finances in checks.
So a blurring of the lines between central banks and governments.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Yea, and undermining, isn't it of the independence of central banks?

Speaker 15 (01:17:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:17:53):
Of course, So central banks they primarily use interest rates
as a tool to control and free and floation and
economies and achieve price stability. But if they're forced to
address government debts or government solvency as their primary issue,
then they do risk losing control of this inflation and
independence as well. And most developed economies they operate and

(01:18:16):
pride themselves on the central bank independence and it is
an important way to keep the confidence in the economy
and the country. So it would be a big divergence
for financial markets to potentially digest if this fiscal dominance
scenario played out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Yeah, is this why we've see Trump constantly calling for
the Fed to cut right? And are there any risks
in New Zealand of this.

Speaker 23 (01:18:38):
Yeah, the US is likely creeping close to this fiscal
dominance concept and replacing a traditional independent monetary policy. And
you know, Trump has been very vocal calling for these
lower rates, but it does come with those risks of
inflation in the future. Now in New Zealand, you know,
we're even more proud of this monetary policy independence, and

(01:18:59):
it is more ordant for a small, open economy like
New Zealand that relies heavily on global debt markets. But
you have seen a little bit of gentle prodding by
the government, but ultimately that's likely all it will come
to here in New Zealand. Nothing more aggressive aggressive than that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Where does the market react to this fiscal dominance.

Speaker 23 (01:19:19):
Yeah, the base case for markets is they are assuming
that central banks retain this independence. But you know, if
there is more evidence of a crossover, particularly in the US,
then this does pose risks to the global economy, particularly
in interest rates and bonds. And this concept can explain
some of the recent very strong moves in gold and
maybe even bitcoin two to a lesser extent. So you know,

(01:19:41):
fiscal dominance scenario, it's going to lead to further inflationary
press pressures potentially a loss in confidence and currency, so
a lower US dollar and those real assets like gold
will continue to do very well.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Yeah, hey, thanks very much, Jeremy, appreciate it. Jeremy Heuton
of Milford Asset Management, Heather, there is no reason that
New World can actually barcode the stock. They can't understand
what is going to be popular. Loads of retail stores
can tell you the stock by saw by store. This
is a very good point. If you've worked, you have worked,
and we've all worked in retail as young people like you.
Can you know, even even twenty plus years ago, when

(01:20:14):
I was working for the record store, type in and
somebody would come and they're going, have you got the
new I don't know snap Dog album? I go, no,
we don't have any We always had the Snapdog album.
We're in South Aulklin. But if we didn't, like if
some random came in and was like, can I please
have the new Pixis album, we'd be like, what are
you doing anyway? Type in the paxis and to the
computer and you go, oh yeah, look Blockhouse Bass got

(01:20:37):
seven of the Pixies. Let me call them up B.
So this is some It's so basic it's technology that's
been around forever. They just need to run the technolo.
The same technology that they use on their anchor milks
in the New World, they need to use on their
smeag sticker promotion things so that they can say to you, hey, listen,
we are down to the last ten of these or whatever. Anyway,
I really like Chris Quinn. I could tell that Chris

(01:20:58):
quin You could tell that Chris Quinn was gutted. Ay,
he is gutted about this. He's not loving this at all.
So I feel like next time it's going to be better,
don't you. Six twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen dan Mas
for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions US talks for.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Her sins Janetibschrainey had to spend the day at the
Infrastructure Get Together today, so she's going to come at
us with a report after the news. It's twenty seven
almost twenty seven past sex. I got some showbiz news
for you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
How money this is buy?

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Calvin Harris the music produced a superstar hes he's had
his first baby, but he did it an interesting way.
Of announcements. Posted the birth announcement for his son Micah
to eleven thousand Instagram followers. First few photo is a
pretty normal collection of beautiful snaps of his whiteswater birth
at home and stuff. And then the fourth photo is
the most graphic photo of a freshly birth placenta that

(01:21:57):
you have ever seen. Didn't start stay like that for long, though,
did it? Next couple of photos show him dehydrating, the
placenta cut into little bits, and then the placenta in
pill form. Couples in TikTok are getting their partners to
blind react to the photos. What the fuck the unbelievable cord?
That hm, that's the unbelievable card, while others are praising

(01:22:21):
the musician for his raw and unfiltered portrayal of a
home birth.

Speaker 24 (01:22:25):
Death has gone out to over eleven million followers, most
of which will be used to seeing birth in a
clinical setting or even just a smile and wave photo
with a celebrity after birth.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
So let's celebrate.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Let's celebrate them having an actual birth like normal. Paper
tell you what normal people don't do, though, They don't
get the placenta and then get the cord and then
loop the cord into a little heart to take a photo.
Do they normal people don't do? Do you know what normal
people do? Do you know what normal people do? They
get it in a little takeaway container and then they
check it in the freezer for a couple of years,
and then after a couple of years they go, oh, geez,
I need to clear out the freezer and drumsticks all

(01:23:00):
this on you. Oh what's that? Oh that is what
normal people do, and they bury it. Yeah, I'm gonna
do that in the cup. I've still got one in there,
got one in there, and I'm going to find it
in a year or so. Anyway, here's Tate McRae's sports car.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Everything from SMS to the big corporates, The Business Hour
with Hither to Ellen and Mas for Trusted Home insurance solutions,
News talks be don't you.

Speaker 17 (01:23:34):
Be there?

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
This is Rose and Bruno, Mars and songs called the
pet Could I say it right now? Upper tet? Why
this is now? I'm understanding what's going on on the radio.
Thank you and answers helped me out. Hey, hither the

(01:23:58):
text from Trevor Hither, I'm surprised your barcode rationale read
the New World promotion. Where it falls down and is
the fact that with your Snoop Dog analogy, the shop
would generally buy more if they saw demand getting away
on them. But with New World they have to order
a one off quantity a year in advance. Otherwise, anticipating
the demand would be flexible, wouldn't it. Brackets By the way,
I hate thank you, Trevor. Now the point I was
trying to make so yes, in this instance, unlike it

(01:24:21):
sounds music store, when we saw that we were getting
low on the Pixis or Snoop Dog, what we would
do is obviously order some more from BMG or Universal
or whatever. The difference here is what they need to
know with this running low on stock system is that
they need to then go out and warn us. And
I think that's the important thing. Emma from Saint Helier's
is surprised that she is now not able to get
a brazer because for two weeks the store told us

(01:24:42):
they're going to be restocked. So what they need to
do is they need to go guys, we're down to
the last one thousand in New Zealand, because we've got
the barcode and we can see that last one thousand
in New Zealand, get your stickers and get your brazer,
and then last one hundred, last ten, last one, and
can you like Also, I don't want to be giving
free ideas to New World because you know they're not
not everyone's loving the supermarkets at the moment. But wouldn't

(01:25:04):
that be quite good for generating a little bit of
ongoing kind of news media. Then you'd have stuff going
live with the last brazier in the country, and then
they'd probably go to the supermarket and they'd watch the
person get the last brazer. I mean, there is just
media opportunities here the Kingdom come.

Speaker 9 (01:25:22):
I think that might be true to some extent. Heather
of it. Imagine if they did that next year, and
it'll be like fourth year in a row they've run
out early yet again they've done it again. I think
they've you know, they've got a poor track record.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Not if they do my idea ants because they won't
run out early.

Speaker 9 (01:25:35):
Yeah, maybe just don't wait till the very last one
in the can and stop it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
My idea is Keller. You know what, don't tell New
all about my idea. I'm going to package it up
as a pitch. I'm going to sell it to them,
make millions off it, because then I'll also be able
to shield them from all this negative attention they're getting.
Twenty two away from seven Keller Duel Big Infrastructure Conference
in Wellington today, National and Labor have been making all
the right noises on bipartisanship plans and long term projects
that have cross party support. Blah blah. The Herald's Wellington

(01:26:01):
Business editor, Genative Traney's been listening to them as with us. Now, Hello, jenay, Hey,
So it's Kieren McNaughty and Chris Bishop. Is it making
the bipartisanship noises?

Speaker 7 (01:26:10):
Yeah, that's right. The conference ended with those two on stage.
They had matching shoes, which was pointed out because they
have somewhat of a bromance. They actually get along quite well.
I'm Karen and Chris Bishop. So they really told the
audience what they wanted to hear, which was that you know,
the two parties could work together agree on key things
around infrastructure. The sector is crying out for certainty, you know,

(01:26:34):
that's what's required to have long term investment and so on.
So Karen McNulty confirmed that Labor would honor all public
private partnership contracts the government entered into, so you know,
he said they weren't Labor wasn't opposed to PPPs, but
of course if promises hadn't been funded, that might be

(01:26:55):
a different story. Chris Bishop, he tooked up how he
was quote continuing Phil Twyford's legacy in the urban development space.
So actually Chris Bishop and Phil Twyford are very aligned
with you know, ways they want to change rules to
encourage private investments. He talked about that, and then Chris
Bishop also said he's been briefing opposition in ps to

(01:27:17):
get their two cents on work underway as part of
the RIM. So those were the areas they sort of highlighted.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Akay, nice to say these things, but does it actually last.

Speaker 7 (01:27:29):
Yeah, well that's the key question. And you know, this
morning Chris Hipkins addressed the conference and the oil and
gas ban is the prime example. So if Labor gets
into government, it will reintroduce the oil and gas ban.

Speaker 9 (01:27:44):
Yeah, you know, and I took, I asked him.

Speaker 7 (01:27:47):
I said, well, because Labor makes the argument that doesn't
really matter because no one wants to explore in New
Zealand anyway. Like we've sort of taken all the gas
that's easy to take, and no one's looking to really
do major exploration. So I said, well, if that's the case,
then why do we need the band, Because if they're
not going to do it anyway, why have the band?
It sort of just creates instability and sovereign risk and

(01:28:08):
so on and so on. But you know, labor, that
is something that it feels firm on. So you know,
there's an example of you know, of them not doing
what the sector watch, which has provide certainty.

Speaker 6 (01:28:21):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:28:22):
Chris Hipkins also said the government talks about bipartisanship, but
they just want labor to get on board with what
they want. They're not truly engaging. So you know, and
then I guess if you if you point the finger
at Chris Bishop, he national did agree with labor on
the medium density residential standards. Those are the ones that
mean you can densify more easily. So they agreed in opposition,

(01:28:44):
they get into government and they and they pull out
of that commitment and so you know, politicians will be
politicians cheap. What were the shoes I think they were
they were brown boots. Still, yeah, I couldn't tell if
they were that fancy from where I was sitting, but
you know they were. It was interesting actually with those

(01:29:06):
two on stage. They sounded very sensible and you did
look at them and think they could be too. You know,
two people who who the public warm too, and.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
What are you trying to say? They could be leadership potential.

Speaker 9 (01:29:19):
Well, I didn't want to go that far.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
It's fine.

Speaker 9 (01:29:21):
Had Thomas problem went that far.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
He went that far on Saturday by basically starting the
clock on Luxon. So I think we can start talking
about this kind of stuff, don't you think. Hey, thank
you very much, Jane. As always Jenetebtrainey, the Herald's business
headitor down in Wellington. While we're on the subject of politicians,
Auckland councilor Chris Darby has confirmed that he's out. He's
not going to stand at the elections again later this year.
He's actually I mean, he's been around for a very

(01:29:44):
long time. He's been there twenty one years. First got
elected in two thousand and four. Now, Chris, I'm not
like a Chris Darby fanboy. I liked some of what
Chris Darby's done. I really didn't like some of what
Chris Darby's done, but What I like about Chris Darby
is his attitude. He said in farewell statement, I'm not
here to be popular. I'm here to be useful. We

(01:30:05):
must plan for generations we will never meet. And I
think i'd like more, like can I just say that
I'm pointing the set Luxe and like, let's not bet
around the bochet. This is for Chris Luxon, be like that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Just do the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
You're already elected. You've you've got three years minimum. Who
knows what happens after the first three years. Maybe you've
got six years, maybe you've got more if you're lucky.
Just do the things that you think are important. Stop
trying to be popular. If you do the things that
you're that you think are important, we will thank you
in the long run, even if you're wrong. At least
you're tried. But it's that is much better, surely than

(01:30:38):
sitting there trying to be like New World and guessing
what people actually want. That's a hideous situation. Seventeen away
from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Of a business hour with the header DUP c Ellen
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Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Talks that be Apparently Chris Bishop was wearing no MADS.
I don't know if that's true or not, but that's
the information we've got. Four teen away from seven Kevin
Gray are UK correspondents with us even in Gevin hither
had What are the chances Rachel Reeves actually does what
she's told to do and raises taxes.

Speaker 25 (01:31:12):
So Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor, the money in person and
the government will give out her budget, her plans for
the economy in October, and as the days come closer,
it really really does look like she's going to have
to raise taxes. And that is because now another very
well respected economic think tank here in the UK, the

(01:31:33):
National Institute of Economic and Social Research, not the most
catchy title, says we've got a black hole of some
eighty five billion New Zealand dollars, maybe even a bit
more actually on that exchange, but something very very large
black hole to fill. And Rachel Reeves has set out
two rules for government borrowing. The first is that day

(01:31:54):
to day spending will be paid for with government revenue
that's taxes, and borrowing can only be for investment. And
the second rule is that debt must be falling as
a share of national income by the end of the parliament. Well,
these now are said to be non negotia left by
raising taxes, so it looks like that's probably going to

(01:32:15):
have to happen. But this is a massive, massive shortfall
and massive gap to fill, and the think tank says
that living standards are the poorest ten percent of the
population and now ten percent lower than pre COVID levels,
so it says they should be protected from these tax rises.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
What's going to happen with the skafuffle over whether the
police give out the ethnicity of people who they've charged.

Speaker 25 (01:32:38):
Yeah, I think it's going to have to happen. So
at the moment, the rules regarding what police unveil at
the time of charging a suspect, questioning a suspect and
going to court are really very very strict and they
give very little information out. What people are calling for
is that they should give out more information about the
ethnicity and background of those who have been charged, particularly

(01:33:02):
whether or not they are asylum seekers. Now this has
all come to the four because two men have been
charged with the rape of a twelve year old girl
in Warwickshire in the Midlands, in England and it's reported
they are Afghan asylum seekers. Now the situation here has
been very tense, with a number of protests, some turning
a little violent outside hotels where asylum seekers are being housed.

(01:33:25):
There are roughly two hundred hotels being used for this purposes,
and the daily cost for housing asylum seekers and looking
after them is a staggering ten million New Zealand dollars
per day and people are getting fed up with it.
And so what now It's interesting is that the Prime
Minister and his government are saying, do you know what, Actually,

(01:33:47):
maybe we should be slackening the rules and regulations about
what can and can't be said in order to avert
potential flare ups over misinformation, which incidentally is really what
happened way back. You'll remember last summer a year ago
when Axel Ruder Bicana murdered three young girls at a

(01:34:09):
dance class, a summer dance class in Southport, which led
to riots. It was said at the time he was
an illegal migrant.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
He wasn't.

Speaker 25 (01:34:16):
He was here legally with his parents having come from Africa.
So that's what they're looking at. And I think there's
a great deal of pressure now as they realize this.
Even though the general election could be years away, this
could be the defining issue for that election.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Ah yeah, fair point. Now, so there was no bullying
at Prince Harry's charity.

Speaker 25 (01:34:36):
No, So the charity regulator has found there was no bullying,
harassment or misogyny at Center Balley. That's the charity that
Prince Harry set up but has since resigned along with
several other trustees earlier this year following a very very
bitter boardroom dispute and whistleblower allegations. Now the Charity Commissions
has imposed no sanctions. The current leadership will remain at

(01:34:59):
the charity. The charity supports young people in Southern Africa,
very very close to Prince Harry's heart, but he's now
gone and this is a bittersweet outcome for Prince Harry,
which is obviously being deeply personal to him. But both
sides of this argument are to blame for the toxicity
and the damage that has been caused to the charity.

(01:35:22):
According to the Charity Commission, the Row had seen Prince
Harry being labeled as a toxic brand by the charity's
chair and he'd stepped down saying he and his trustees
relationship with the chair had broken beyond repair, saying their
face latant lives. So Prince Harry not entirely happy with
the ruling, but at least it doesn't point to any

(01:35:43):
of those things bullying, harassment, misogyny, which is what that
charity was accused of.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Gavin, thanks so much. Always appreciate your time. We'll check
you in on Friday. That's Kevin Gray, are UK correspondent
nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
How about this for a backfire. I enjoyed this very much.
There was a woman who took her dogs to Tongereo
National Park. Then she put the dogs in front of
a sign that said quite explicitly, no dogs in Tongereo
National Park. And then she took a photo and then
she put that on Facebook. And now she's been slapped
with the four hundred dollar fine. How good is that?

(01:36:25):
Because dogs are banned in all New Zealand national parks
under the National Parks Act nineteen eighty except in very
limited circumstances. She could read the sign, but she wanted
to take her dogs in as if she made a
mockery of the law and the law came back to
bite her on the butt. Now she owes US four
hundred dollars. I just it's just my ongoing campaign. It's
my ongoing campaign about responsible dog ownership. Now I have

(01:36:46):
a bone to pick with Nick Mowbray. Nick is in
court at the moment because he's in a fight with
a former mate and business partner about the nappy business
that they were in yonks Ago and while they were
in court incidentally, actually hot Goss from Wileywin Court. While
they were in court, he was asked if he and
his brother were worth twenty billion dollars and he said,
probably good for him. How good is that? How good

(01:37:09):
is it that there are a couple of boys who've
decided and the sister who's not part of it anymore,
But that's a long story. But anyway, How good is
it that they decided to make some toys and stuff
and now they're worth twenty billion dollars? Absolutely awesome. The
bone I have to pick with him is that there's
a photo of him outside court and he uses his phone.
He's forty years old or thereabouts my age ish. He
uses his phone like a boomer, So he puts his

(01:37:31):
phone on speaker, right, and then he holds it up
to his ear like it still needs because it's too
noisy outside the High Court. I don't know if you've
been outside the High Court, but it's quite a noisy
little part of the world. There's wind because you're up
on a little bit of a ridge there in Auckland,
you know. So you got a bit of wind going on,
been a bit windy lately in Auckland unusually. And then

(01:37:51):
you got the traffic going by, and then you've just
got the general city noise which is rising up. So
he's putting his phone on speaker and then he's I
can't hear you, mate, Now I can't hear you, and
he puts the speaker up to his ear. Mate, Come on,
if you've got to do that, like you're seventy five,
why don't you just take it off, speak it and
put it up to your face like a normal person.
Because this is like everything that's bad about phone news,

(01:38:13):
because not only can he not hear it, so he's
standing in there looking like an empty but now we're
all having to listen to it as well. If we
can walk past us and shouting down the phone. Anyway,
that's the thing. That's the thing that I want you
all to stop doing.

Speaker 9 (01:38:25):
It's not nice.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
It's very disappointing. And Nick Mowbray just goes to show
you can have a lot of money, but you can
still use your phone like a douchebag. Am I going
to get sued for this?

Speaker 9 (01:38:36):
Hopefully he just takes it as friendly FETs just.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
Because I'm a huge fan, huge fan, huge fan.

Speaker 9 (01:38:41):
And when you put it up to your ear as well,
you can do the old thing and classic thing where
you stick your finger in the other ear as well.
Oh you can hear more. You can't do that with
Speak of Home Taste by Sabrina Carpenter. Players out tonight.
This song is not up for Song of the Air
at the MTV VMA's, but I'm playing it because it
should be. Why is this song not up for Song
of the Air at the Endie? It's much better than
that rubbish Ed Sharon song that I played at the

(01:39:02):
end of the four o'clock hour. At first, I thought
maybe it's because it came out like almost a year ago,
but no, no, no, The album's up for Best Album
and Saverna Carpenter's up for all They also ran awards.
She's up for Best Pop Artist and she says for
Best Pop Album. Why is there no love for Saverena
Carpenter in this particularly weak year? Otherwise? I don't understand it,
and I.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
Am compelled by your argument. I feel like if you
were going on a road trip to Tower on It
on a sunny day, you dropped the top and listened
to this.

Speaker 9 (01:39:29):
Wouldn't you. Absolutely? I was at a party last year
where this song came on and then somebody skipped to
the next song, and there were cries vanger, there were
cries of all they come daring to skip to this one.
No one's gonna do that for d Sharon.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
I think you know what, it's a crime. I'm with
you on this. Thank you for that, or it will
see you tomorrow.

Speaker 26 (01:39:47):
I haven't ice think Okay, you're got together, yo, Just
that it tast me when's kissing.

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
You did not fast me.

Speaker 20 (01:40:17):
You just have to taste me when's kissing. You just
have to taste me when kissing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
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