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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A questions, answers, facts analysis, The Drive show you trust
for the full picture. Heather Duplessy on Drive with One
New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today. It is
Musk versus Trump, isn't it Who's going to win? We're
going to go over to the US about that Sky
City is suing Fletcher Building over the Convention Center. We'll
speak to the Shareholders' Association. We're also going to have
a chat to Rob the new black Caps coach.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Heather dus No, I wish.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
We'd stop doing that thing that Winston Peters did today.
What happened is that Helen Clark and Don Brash and
Jeffrey Palmer and David Carter and a couple of their
mates took out ads in the country's major newspapers and
they used these ads to urge New Zealand. It's really
an open letter to the Prime Minister, but basically to
urge New Zealand to stop being so adversarial to China.
And then Winston Peters was asked about it and he

(00:56):
shot them down basically by saying they're irrelevant because they've
left politics. Now, this is the thing. I hear this
a lot, and I really wish we wouldn't do that, because, look,
I might not agree with Don and Helen at al,
but you can't deny that they know what they're talking about. Helen,
especially when she was the Prime minister, that is basically
the other foreign minister at any one time, she knows

(01:17):
what's going on behind the scenes. Don incredibly bright, the
man was the Reserve Bank governor, for God's sake, very
well read, Jeffrey Palmer, everybody knows, almost too smart at times,
incredibly well read. And I could keep going. Now, obviously
we do not know what we do not know, and
maybe there's some intelligence. Maybe there are some briefings being
given to current ministers that current ministers that maybe Helen

(01:38):
l do not have access to, but they do have
years of experience of American pressure and game playing to
draw on. Right, you don't think Helen knows how this
game works behind the scenes. Course she does, so I
do not think that her view is irrelevant at all.
And actually I think it is a fault of ours
that we as a country consistently put our former leaders
out to pasture the way that we do. There are

(02:00):
hundreds of incredibly bright business leaders, political leaders, former cabinet ministers,
former public servants, just sitting around in their slippers at home,
being completely ignored by us, when they actually have brains
full of amazing information and a huge amount of experience
to draw on, and they should be drawn on to
participate in our national conversations like this one, like whether

(02:23):
it is wise for us to be so cozy with
the States and risk our relationship with China. So actually
quite the opposite of what Winston said today. I'd like
to say good on Helen and co. For piping up,
and long may they pipe up, and hopefully others will
pipe up.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Too together do for see Allen two nine two.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I'd love to know what if you're from Mount Eden,
don't text because you've already got a bias for you
about Helen, But the rest of you you can text.
Nineteen niney two standard text fees a play. Now, how
about this, We're about to talk about one of my
favorite books. Now, if you're a regular listener to the show,
you'll know that I am a ridiculously huge fan of
The Anxious Generation by Jonathan hit In the book, Jonathan

(03:03):
makes the case that kids today are increasingly suffering from
anxiety and depression simply because they don't play enough, and
instead they sit around on the phones and the social media.
Jonathan Height is based in New York. Jonathan Hello, Hello Heather, Jonathan.
Can I stop by saying I love the book? I mean,
obviously I'm a parent, so obviously I did. Do you
get that a lot?

Speaker 5 (03:20):
I do.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
No one has ever really stopped me in the street
to thank me for my work. I mean, it's happened occasionally,
but once this book came out, what's happening is that mothers,
it's almost always mothers are stopping me in the street
and saying thank you because they've just been up against this.
They felt it, and so yeah, it's been really fun
to see the reception.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
What do you think it is? I mean, do you
think that maybe mothers and maybe in a way all
of us humans kind of understood that there was something
wrong with what was going on and then something weird
about the impact that social media was having, but we
couldn't quite put it into words, and you kind of
put flesh on those bones. Do you think that's what
it is?

Speaker 6 (03:55):
Yes, I think that's exactly what it is. But just
to go a little further, I would say that wherever
smartphones were introduced, they are amazing devices. They're always more
interesting than anything else that could be going on. So
wherever smartphones have been introduced, family life has turned into
a fight over screen time, over phone use. And that's

(04:15):
true in all the countries that I've been to and
the countries that I haven't been to. And I think
mothers were just much more aware of the struggle. They
were often more involved in the struggle. And the main
thing though, I think is that mothers often they just
feel they feel the relationship changing more than fathers do.
Women are just more sensitive to the nature of a
relationship as it's changing. And when you give your happy, funny,

(04:37):
smart ten year old a smartphone and then a few
months later, you can't really get their attention and they
seem always focused on it. I think mothers felt that
more than fathers did.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
What do you think? And look, this is my family
asking this question. Our kids are obviously too young to
be on smartphones, but we obviously work on them. So
how do you balance that with the kids? How do
you not be on this? Do you have to not
be on the smartphones?

Speaker 2 (04:59):
At all.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Do you have to explain to the kids, I'm going
to use my phone now to do some work. How
do you do that?

Speaker 7 (05:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (05:05):
So, first of all, teenagers in particular are not copying
their parents. If you pick up a good habit, if
you start reading the Economist magazine, no eleven year old
is going to say, well, mom was reading the Economist,
I'm going to read them. That's not the way it works.
Now with little kids, it really matters what you do.
When you have a one or a two year old
and you are doing what is called continuous partial attention,

(05:28):
that's where you're trying to do your email while also
kind of interacting with your toddler. So that is definitely
bad because the child is forming her internal mental models
of you and of the world. And if you, as
an attachment figure, if you're only paying partial attention, you're
more on your phone, that is bad. So don't do that.

(05:50):
But I think you don't have to blame yourself so much.
If you are using your phone sometimes, just be sure
to have lots of good times. Put it this way,
if you're with your kid, try to really be with
your kid. If they didn't see you doing some work
and you're on your phone for an hour.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
That's okay.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
Look mom and dad do work.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, okay, listen. I am hugely relieved by that answer.
But just hang on a minute because we're going to
take a quick breack and then we'll talk about the
social media the country's social media band for kids. Straight after.
This is thirteen past four.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
It's the Heather Dupussy Alan Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 3 (06:26):
All right, so Jonathan his is with us, author of
one of my favorite books, which is The Anxious Generation?
Can I recommend it if you're a parent? Jonathan? On
the social media thing, on the banning of the kids.
We are considering this as a country and the biggest
argument that we get against it is that it's technologically
not possible. Is that true, Jonathan?

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Well, I can't force myself to laugh on command, but
I'll try.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Ha ha ha.

Speaker 6 (06:48):
There are so many industries that already agegate. There are
already and if you want to gamble by alcohol, there
are lots of industries at age gate. There are dozens
of companies that offer age gating. There are so many
of them them that they have their own trade association.
They have had it for at least five or six
years when I first noticed it, and the technology gets
better all the time. So the idea that we can't

(07:09):
do this is absurd. These companies are brilliant. They can
do anything if they're motivated to, and right now, current
law in the United States and most other countries strongly
incentivizes them to not know the age. American law was
written so the companies cannot take data from children without
their parents' permission unless the child is thirteen years old

(07:32):
or older. But they put into law that as long
as the company doesn't have positive information that the child
is under thirteen, then they can do whatever the hell
they want to them. So that's the way American law
is written. Unfortunately, we cause this problem, but the companies
actually do know how old people are, so it's not
a question of whether we can age gate.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
We have to.

Speaker 6 (07:55):
I mean, the idea that children can go everywhere on
the internet, talk with strangers, get sex storted, but you know,
buy drugs, I mean, this is complete insanity. So it's
just a question of when it's going to happen, and
the answer is November. Because Australia said, look, you guys
have to just do this, and the government there is
working with the platforms. There are lots and lots of

(08:15):
ways to do it. It doesn't have to work perfectly
in the first year, but the way the technology is,
it'll get so much better once they're motivated to actually
solve the problem that they created.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Are you sure, Jonathan, Are you sure sure sure that
this is not a moral panic on our part?

Speaker 6 (08:32):
Well, Look, as a scientist, I can never say I'm
one hundred percent sure about anything. But let me address
the moral panic concern because that's a common one, the
idea that, oh, we this is just what we said
about comic books and television, and oh, let's go back
to Socrates who said this about writing. Sure, you know,
adults are always concerned about a new technology. And first

(08:55):
of all, you know, some of the past technologies have
been dangerous. Even tell a vision. If you let your
kids watch five hours a day when they're three years old,
that actually has been shown to harm them. But in
previous episodes that were called moral panics, they're so different
from this one. The main one is that a previous
moral panic is one that spread through the media. And

(09:17):
so did you hear the one about the kid who
read a comic book and then ax murdered his mother.
Like you know, stories like that go around. It probably
never happened even once. And if it happened, it happened once.
But did you hear about the mother who gave her
kid a smartphone and the kid became addicted and then
got sex storted and then got into We all know

(09:38):
that family. Because this is not spread through the media.
This is spread by the fact that something like one
out of three families, you're gonna have a kid who
is depressed, anxious, suicidal, and it's often related to what
they're doing online. We're all seeing this. One other difference
I should point out in previous moral panics, the kids
weren't saying these comic books are terrible for us, help

(09:59):
help us get off comic books that didn't happen. But
when we survey members of gen Z about social media,
they're pretty negative about it. They regret what it did
to them. They wish they didn't have to be on it,
but they say they have to because everyone else is
on it. So no, I don't accept that, Oh, there's
nothing going on, You're nothing to see here, just adults
freaking out. No, I'm quite confident that that is not true.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Jonathan, thank you so much for your time. It's been
an absolute pleasure to talk to you. And just wonderful book.
Thank you for writing it. Jonathan Hite, who is the
author of The Anxious Generation. Listen if you're interest I mean,
obviously read the book if you're a parent, but if
you're interested in just having a little do if you
don't want to spend the money but you still want
to get the info, head along to the Anxious Generation
dot com. That's his website, and then he and his
team also put out all of their research for free

(10:44):
on substack, and his substack is after bable. Let's be
ab e l dot com twenty past.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Four getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's hither duplicy
Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news
dogs they'd be hey.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
The Musk versus Trump fight is obviously the crazy thing
that is happening today. Just so that you know how
big this is, that fight has sent Tesla's shares into
a free fall. It has wiped two hundred and fifty
billion New Zealand dollars off Tesla's value. That is the
size of the New Zealand economy in a matter of ours,
just gone like that. Talk to Dan Mitchinson about it
when he's with us shortly. And then also we're going

(11:22):
to go to a political analyst in the US after
five because I have a sneaky suspicion Musk can win
this one. But we'll find out with me right now.
Twenty three past four, Jason Pine Weekend Sports host Piney
Heather Rob Walter. What do we know about him?

Speaker 8 (11:36):
Well, a new black Caps coach, looking forward to seeing
how he goes. I know you're yearning with him in
just over an hour. A couple of things I reckon
he has to kind of do straight away. First one
is what does he need to change? And that might
be not a lot because this team isn't a shambles,
there's not a dumpster fire he comes in. But all
new coaches kind of want to stamp their mark, right,
They want to put their imprint on things. So what

(11:57):
does he change? What doesn't he The other one is
the ever changing international cricketing landscape where more and more
players are saying, you know what, I don't want a
central contract. Thanks for offering, but I'm not going to
take it. Instead, I'm going to free myself up to
play in the various T twenty leagues around the world
and line my pockets that way. And it's a sensible
decision for a lot of players, you know, likes of

(12:18):
Kin Williamson, Devin Conway, Tim Sifett and others are not
taking up the central contract. There there being freelancers. Basically,
they're cricketing freelancers and if the scheduling fits, yes, they'd
love to play for New Zealand, but they're not going
to take up a central contract. So how does Rob
Walter deal with the two different types of player who
are going to be playing for news.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Somebody said to me today, the reason that we couldn't
possibly have had two coaches, one for the Red Bull
one for the White Ball is because we don't have
enough players good players to go around and actually make
two different teams. Is it true?

Speaker 8 (12:49):
I think yeah. And I heard John Bracewell, a former
player and coach, allude to that yesterday, saying there's too
much crossover and so you might get that battle between Okay, hey,
he's my plan and he's my player, whereas if you're
all for me, then there's just one voice. So Yeah,
it's possible. I don't think it's one, you know, overriding
reason not to do it. I'm quite glad they haven't,

(13:09):
but I would have been curious to see what it
would have been like if they had done it.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Now, what do you make of the way that the
finals playoff is work? How it's working in Super Rugby?
It seems a bit of a shambles.

Speaker 8 (13:20):
Yeah, it's a bit hard to understand. And people when
they hear it go, what lucky loser?

Speaker 9 (13:25):
What do you mean?

Speaker 8 (13:25):
What are you talking about. They've done it so that
they get three games this weekend. That is the sole
reason they have done it with a top six. You know,
the most logical thing is one and two go through
to the semis, get a buy in the first week,
three place six, four plays five, the winner's going too
the semi finals. That's the most logical thing. But that
only gives you two games this weekend. They wanted three
games this weekend to fans for broadka the dollars.

Speaker 10 (13:46):
Basically.

Speaker 8 (13:47):
Yeah, so they've come up with this idea where, you know,
the lucky lose of the highest ranked loser goes through. Unfortunately,
the scheduling means that by the time the Brumbies play
the Hurricanes tomorrow night, they might both know that it
doesn't matter what the score rest they both go through.
So that's the folly of the system. Also, the Chiefs
know if they were to lose to the Blues tomorrow,
which I don't think they will, but if they do,
they're still going through because that'd be by being top

(14:08):
of the table, they will be the highest ranked loser.
So there's a few little vagaries about the system.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Heather. I see, Hey, Piney, thank you as always in
congrats on you're win. That's Jason pine We can sports
wanna we want to thing at the Radio awards last
night or Piney? Of course he did. He'll be back tomorrow. Heather,
Does that mean that because you want to hear from
Helen and don you also you also want to hear
from Cindy. Well, I'm not gonna lie to you. I
mean not every form Look yeah, sure, why not not

(14:36):
every former leader. I'm not gonna listen to all of
them and treat like, clearly Helen is smarter than j Cinda.
Do you know what I mean? So Helen can talk
and I go, oh, yep, no, that's worth listening to
j Cinda will open her mouth and I'll go la
la la doing something else. But of course she's entitled,
you know, to join in the conversation. I don't mind
her getting involved, mainly because if she gets involved, then
it opens up the opportunity for us to tell her

(14:58):
how crap she was at her job again, do you
know what I mean? Like it cuts both ways, so
you know that conversation. In fact, i'd welcome Jacinda coming
back and you know, having a chat to us so
we can tell you a little bit about how we feel.
We'll just leave it at that day, Like there's a
lot more behind that. But there's a lot of what
I've said is just touching the surface of how I'm

(15:20):
feeling about things. Somebody said the other day this outright
loathing of Justinder on the radio. Sometimes I was like, Oh,
they're talking about me again. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Pudding, the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected the news talks.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
That'd be.

Speaker 9 (15:47):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
We're gonna have a chat to the Shareholders Association after
five o'clock because sky City casino operator. Sky City, the
casino operator rather is suing Fletcher Building because of the
Canvention Center that's not ready. That thing was supposed to
take three years to build. It's taken ten years. They're
now suing them for about three hundred and thirty million
dollars in damages, which feels enormous. And by the way,

(16:09):
do you know how there was all these the internet
outages in the Lower North Island today? Do you know
what the cause that? The Australian Naval ship. The Australian
Naval ship. What happened was it was going down the
coast past Tartanuck and everybody's Internet went out in Tartanuki
and then it went into around about Wellington and stuff,
and it was all going out in Wellington and Marlborough.
What happened was that it had its its navigation radar

(16:33):
was basically use the frequency was cutting across Wi Fi frequencies.
So anyway people got in touch with our defense force.
Hoe then picked up the blower to the Aussies and
was like, oh guys, you're cutting out our WiFi. And
so then they changed their frequency and Wi Fi came back.
The modern world isn't it amazing politics? And ten minutes
twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
It's the world wires on news dogs, they'd be drive
Trump v.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Musk continues, Donald Trump has head out at its former
beastie after Elon went on the attack. He is Donald
discussing what's made Elon so upset.

Speaker 11 (17:06):
I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings of
this bill better than almost anybody sitting here, better than
new people. He knew everything about it. He had no
problem with it.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
All of a sudden he.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Had a problem.

Speaker 11 (17:18):
And he only developed the problem when he found out
that we're going to have to cut the eving mint it,
because that's billions and billions of dollars, and it really
is unfair.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
The Russian ambassador to the UK has said that the
recent attacks by Ukraine risk leading the conflict into World
War three, and he has blamed the UK for helping
the Ukrainians strike.

Speaker 12 (17:36):
Such kind in the wolves, of course, provision of very
high technology, which it only can be done by those
who hesitate possession. And this is in London and Washington.
I don't believe that Americans that has been denied by
President Trump. Definitely, but it has not been denied by London.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
And finally, Tom Cruise, He's got himself a little bit
of a world record. He now holds the title for
the most burning parachute jumps by an individual. He's clocked
up sixteen total jumps. No one else has jumped with
a burning parachute sixteen times. And this happened while he
was filming the latest Mission Impossible film, which will be

(18:16):
the eighth installment of the series.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Dan Mitchison, US Correspondence is with us.

Speaker 13 (18:28):
Now, Hey, Dan, can I just say real quick that
I'm a little nervous this time around because a couple
of days ago I was just talking a planetl Heather,
But today I'm talking to.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Your broad cat, your lame yeah.

Speaker 13 (18:42):
And I am graduate.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Do you know what your lameness comes from? Such a
nice part of your heart? I just love it so much,
thank you. Incidentally, incidentally, I apparently haven't grown up at
all according to this text, OMG, hither you do come
across as childish at times? Is it really necessary that
you get baited by our durn Award or Noah Ward?
You're not cool?

Speaker 13 (19:03):
Well what don't don't ever stop being who you are?
Thank you too special.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
That's right, you hear that takes that? Thank you, Daniel wonderful. Now,
speaking of childish, who's going to win this? It's going
to be Elon, isn't it?

Speaker 13 (19:16):
You would think so. I mean, it's hard to believe.
I was thinking about this before we went on that,
you know, a decade ago, to think that we'd be
talking about something that is like a schoolyard fight, a
name calling flight right now instead of the two most
powerful people in the world. So must today is saying
that President Trump would have lost the election without his support.
Trump sayt he's disappointed, as you just heard on the
world wires with criticism of the new bill. And then

(19:37):
you had the former White House official Steve Bannett who
said President Trump should investigate Musk's immigration status and get
him out of the country.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Is trying to become involved as an east like he's
trying to himself into this.

Speaker 13 (19:50):
Yeah, yeah, I think he's just trying to write on
the coatails, get a little FaceTime on the on the
evening news. And then of course Musk comes out just
a short time and go and says President Trump has
highest to the whole, uh, Jeff Epstein the situation, and
I mean this gets personal. I mean when on AX
he said time to drop the really big bomb, he
said Trump is in the files and this is the
real reason they haven't been made public. So oh my gosh,
I mean, you just this is the way we're ending the.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Week Do you think this is fair? If that is not,
if what he has said about Trump being in the
Epstein files is not true, then Donald will sue. And
if Donald doesn't sue, then it's true.

Speaker 13 (20:25):
Yes, one would think so, although even when something is true,
one finds that the president wants to go after whoever
it is that's making the accusations just because it deflects
a lot. But boy, you're right. I mean, if this,
if there is even a little bit of smoke on this,
there's gonna be a lot of fires we get into
the weekend.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Shows that The thing that I can't decide is I
don't I don't think Trump wins this. So either Elon
wins this or it's mutually assured destruction. And I wonder
if it's the latter, And I wonder if that's what
the Tesla shareholders are seeing here.

Speaker 13 (20:56):
I think you're right, because I mean the sharers have
just dropped tremendously. I mean they're down, you know, thirty
forty fifty percent or so, and that's why the board
members have been saying, hey, you've got to get back.
You know, eyes on the prize right here, this is
where the money's being man But you know, this isn't
just about Tesla. This is also about the space program,
and these two are just going to Nobody's going to
come out a winner in this.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
I think you reckon. So do you think it's mutually
as sheer destruction?

Speaker 13 (21:18):
I think I think it is. I mean, somebody will
come out and say they're a winner. Actually both of
them will come out and say they're a winner at
the end of the day. But it's it's hard to
say right now. Really, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Okay, now, how's this going down? This travel band that
Trump is doing as well.

Speaker 13 (21:33):
Well, depending on how you look at it. I mean,
it could be straightforward. You've got twelve countries, mostly African
and Middle Eastern, and he says that that the goal
is to block terrorism and target those who overstay their visas.
But then you have a lot of people who are
saying that, Okay, we don't understand a lot of the
fine print here. This is going to be harder trying
to get a straight answer a lot of questions about
extended stays and the visas, and the immigration rights groups

(21:55):
say they're going to sue over this, and they're going
to lose because they say this ban is actually stronger
than the last ban the President Trump put into effect
during his first term.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Hey, have you ever had your Walmart shopping delivered by drone?

Speaker 13 (22:09):
I will never have my Walmart shopping delivered by a drone.
I can't imagine having I can't imagine having anything. I mean,
five pounds is the maximum right now, at least that
they're allowed to.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Do.

Speaker 13 (22:21):
And they're doing this in Dallas Fort Worth, and they're
rolling this out to one hundred, maybe two hundred stores
in the next year right now.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, And you've.

Speaker 13 (22:27):
Got people in a factory and in a matter of minutes,
they're going to have these things shipped out and they
can be to your place in thirty minutes or less.
Question I'm asking Heather, is you need drones, You need
drone pilots. All of this adds up so the question
is ken these become a truly profitable business.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Well probably, I don't know if they can in time.
In time, everything becomes cheaper, right, so possibly in time
it might, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
It might.

Speaker 13 (22:50):
I mean, I just can't see a bunch of these
things flying overhead, and you know, somebody's going to drop
something on someone and there's going to be a massive
lawsuit and everybody's going to be looking up, should be
looking straight ahead.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
It's America, after all. Hey did you cry when you
went to Coldplay?

Speaker 13 (23:04):
I did cry.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
I cried a lot. It's pretty good.

Speaker 13 (23:07):
Oh, thank you for the recommendation. Yes, it's very good.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Is it, as I said to you, one of the
best concerts you will ever go to in your whole life.

Speaker 13 (23:14):
I am still listening. When I go to a concert
that I like, I just get I get home and
I started listening to the music over and over again
and re living it. And you're right, it's probably run
the top two or three concerts I've ever been.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
It's a pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing. Dan, Thank you
so much. I really appreciated Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent Dan
for some weird reason, and Dan's very lucky but he
seems to be getting concerts after us. So because you
know I was telling you yesterday, I have the concert club,
so we got all kinds of weird things that we
wouldn't normally go to. Anyway, did go to Coldplay and
then I told Dan to go to Coldplay, so he

(23:45):
went to it, loved it and all my recommendation. His
booked Toto Tackets. We'll see how he feels about that.
And no, he did go to Toto. He said it
was good. He enjoyed that as well. So anyway, we'll
just you know, if you've got a concert recommendation for Dan,
just feed it through to me and we'll feed it
through to him. He seems up for it. Hither, I
can disagree with you more about the interference by former
prime ministers and politicians in today's world's international discourse. They

(24:07):
are yesterday's politicians. They don't have knowledge of current government information.
Well here's the thing, though, you're listening to me and
what I think about it, right, and I listen to
other people and what they think about it. And you
probably listen to your dad or your granddad, or your
mum or your wife. We all have conversations about these things.
And if we're prepared to listen to other people who
know literally nothing about government briefings, then why wouldn't we

(24:30):
listen to Helen who used to have government briefings and
actually does know something. Sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty, it's.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Thirteen away from five. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors
with us. Hey, Thomas, you.

Speaker 14 (24:44):
Think of afternoon? Congratulations?

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Thank you very much. Thomas is very kind of you.
So what do you think of these guys getting involved
in the debate about whether we're cozying up to the
US too much? Oh?

Speaker 14 (24:54):
I mean, Helen Clark and Don Brash in particular have
been being the strong for a while. I've been a
few op eds in the hero actually and and I
mean certainly they are. They do have a point in
terms of the drift in New Zealand foreign policy drifting
a wee bit more towards the United States, particularly on
that defense area, whether or not, whether or not it
represents a kind of dangerous and and fool hardy threats

(25:18):
to our relationship with China, which I mean this up
here that they've they've written today with a couple of
other other authors, David Carter and the New Zealand Sorry
China based business person uh David Man, as well as
Jeffrey Palmer. This sort of makes the point that actually, this, this,
this might be now at the point where it does

(25:39):
put pressure on that Chinese relationship. And the Chinese relationship
is obviously an incredibly strong one and it has been
incredibly lucrative and important for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
What do you make of Winston Peters saying that they're
basically irrelevant.

Speaker 14 (25:51):
Well, Winston, yeah, he has been making that point for
a little while now. That the issue, the the thing
that Winston Peter's always brings up is they haven't been
receiving the things that he's been receiving for many, many
years now. How Clark left office at the end of
two thousand and eight, Shi Jinping wasn't president of China
at that time. Winston Peter's obviously is in the beehive now,
it has been in the I, you know, twenty seventeen

(26:11):
to twenty He has read papers that none of these
people will have read. And that's the sort of part
of it. Obviously, we can't really see those briefings to
come to decide definitively for ourselves. But you know, certainly
the environment China is not what it was in two
thousand and eight, I guess is the main point. It
is a very different country.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
I mean, I think look, even without briefings, right, it's
pretty clear just from what you can see out there,
the things that are obvious, you can see how things
have changed and despite what we ask, and some of
it is kind of alarming, right, for example, shots being
fired by a Chinese warship in the Tasman Sea, and
yet regardless, these guys hold this view. So I don't know,

(26:50):
do you think the briefings are really that material to
this debate. I'm just saying there's so much available, and.

Speaker 14 (26:55):
It's interesting you should say that. I've spoken to a
few people of how that portfolio and they mentioned basically
the same point that you've made, which is that the
briefings don't say anything that you would necessarily be surprised
to read based on what you know already. I mean,
there's not just the firing and the tesnency, but the
ballistic missile that was fired into the Pacific thing landed
and French Polynesia, which due to the Colins said that

(27:17):
that really changed the way that she feels about the
sort of security environment. So yeah, it's a different world.
The other thing, which I suppose is not being explored
so much as if China is getting is becoming more aggressive,
is are we you know but bye by slowly pecking aside?
Is that the best? Is that the best way I'm
dealing with this? Or do we sort of take a
Singapore approach where we just try and sit in the middle.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Of bit more?

Speaker 10 (27:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Well interesting, Okay, Now Lison David Sybill, so he went
off to the UK for the Oxford Union debate. He
said he lost the speech, but he said it went
quite well.

Speaker 8 (27:49):
I felt that I got a very quiet and thoughtful response.
People were clearly listening, and that's exactly what I intended
to do, was pull people back to our side.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
But am I right, Thomas, We're not going to get
in of the speech for a while yet that we no.

Speaker 14 (28:02):
I mean, the Oxford Union is a media company and
they basically paywall this thing. I think they're released sort
of a meet a paywall. They're a private They are
obviously affiliated to the university, but they are sort of
a private a private entity that sits off the side.
Uh and and and they sell membership to Oxford students,
and and and I guess they've decided that live streaming
it simultaneously with the debates undercuts there, undercuts their business model.

(28:26):
So so they're not they're not. They're releasing the street.
They're releasing the video storry later on, so we'll get
to see it later on. But at the end of
at the end of the debate, they tell you out
the votes and David Seimour did not prevail in the NBA.
Seems to have had a good time anyway.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Well, yeay for him. Hey, Thomas, thank you very much.
I really appreciate it. We have a chat to you
later in the program. Raped the political week that was.
That's Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor, nine away from five.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Putting the tough questions to the newspakers the mic asking.

Speaker 15 (28:54):
Breakfast Parliament endorse the Privileges Committee recommendation around the Maori
Party Chaer of the Privileges Committee, Judith Coldin with us.

Speaker 16 (29:00):
Which it's not about the Harker, it's not about that,
to interrupts the vote, finger pointing interos. There is a
gun movement at three actmps and none of the protocols.
We're respected in Parliament. Whatever we do, we've got to
follow those protocols.

Speaker 15 (29:13):
That's the arrogance of it, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (29:14):
I don't can't.

Speaker 15 (29:15):
I can't work out whether they want to get it
or don't want to get it, or do get it,
but just don't want to run it. But I mean,
in other words, I just don't take them seriously. I
just I'm so fed up and sick of the part.

Speaker 16 (29:24):
Well, I think they're not serious people do that. No, No,
well they're not serious people.

Speaker 15 (29:29):
Back Monday from six am the Mic Asking Breakfast with
the Defender, Octor News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Listen on the Donald Trump versus Musk spat. Donald Trump
reckons that what mask what's going on with Musk is
a serious case of Trump arrangement syndrome.

Speaker 11 (29:45):
People leave my administration and they love us, and then
at some point they miss it so badly, and some
of them embrace it, and some of them actually become hostile.
I don't know what it is. It's out of Trump
derangement syndrome, I guess they call it.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
But we have it with others.

Speaker 11 (30:04):
Do they leave and they wake up in the morning
and the glamour's gone, the whole world is.

Speaker 17 (30:11):
Different, and they become hustle. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 11 (30:14):
Someday you'll write a book about it and you'll let
us know.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
And Charles Feldman, the US political analyst, is going to
be thus after five give us his take on who's
going to win this thing? And also did you know?
And by the way, Rob the new black Caps coach,
But that's after half past five. Did you know? If
you want to, if you can't bear the thought of
your body going into the ground and being buried, and
you don't like the idea of being incinerated like the

(30:37):
fires of Hell, you can now opt for a water
cremation because the first water crematoriums opened in christ Church.
And quite how the thing works we don't know. So
we're going to get the details shortly now. Thank you
for your texts. I'm getting quite a few texts saying
congratulations because of course, like, did not expect that, but
won the big prize last night at the Radio Awards.

(30:58):
And because I did not expect that, I did not
bother going, did I? I said to them? Mate? Last
year I sat there CLAP for three hours, took the
day off work Clap for three hours. You told me
off for taking the day off work for Clap. I'm
not going if that's how If that's your attitude, well
I picked the wrong year to pack a tanty, didn't
I Because I wasn't there. I was on my way.

(31:19):
I was walking out here to go to the bathroom.
I said to Sam, Sam, I'm going to the bathroom, wingness.
I'll see you at the afterparty. Go have a drink.
Some Chap runs up to me. I still don't know
who that guy was, if he even works for us.
And he had the live stream on his phone and
he showed me and just in time for me to
see this amazing thing happening, and I still am blown

(31:39):
away by it. And then also because I wasn't there
to see Laura the German get up and do the speech.
And I gave her some notes. I said, if I
was to win anything, whatever, just say this. She said
none of it. She gave her own speech, which was
just wonderful. I think she's picked completely the wrong I
don't know why she's decided to be behind the mic,
because she speaks better than I do. She should be
in front of the mic. But anyway, if I did

(32:00):
give a speech, this is what I would have said.
I would thank Laura, and I would thank Sam, and
I would thank Ants and everybody else who works on
the show, because you know that it is impossible to
be good at your job if everybody around you sucks.
And they don't suck, they are so good at what
they do, which is why I'm able to do my
job the way that I do. And I would also
thank the bosses, Boggsy and Jason and the new guy,

(32:23):
Will and Ed and Michael and all those guys for
being great, because this is genuinely a really pleasurable place
to work. Of all the places I've worked, this is
the one place where I can say I genuinely love
these people and love working here. There's just none of
that nonsense that you get another place. There's just a
genuinely good, vibey place to work. People look after each other.
And then of course I have to say thank you

(32:44):
to my family and my friends and my husband and
everybody who helps to look after the kids, because you
know what it's like. You can't go to work if
there's no one looking after the kids. So somebody is
other people are helping me out so that I can
be here. So anyway, but mostly thank you for you
to you for listening, because if you didn't listen, they'd
fire me, they would. So thank you very much.

Speaker 18 (33:11):
For a new person over again.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Digging through the spin spence to find the real story. Goory,
It's Heather Dupasy on drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
That'd be afternoon. While that Trump Musk bromance has turned septic,
hasn't it. Musk says that Trump is in the Epstein
files and should be impeached. Trump says he's very disappointed
in Musk, and it's all a tanty about the ev incentives.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Now.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Charles Feldman is a journalist and a political analyst in
Los Angeles and with us now, hy, Charles, Hey, how
you doing. I'm well, thank you. Who's going to win this?

Speaker 10 (33:53):
Well, that's a really good question, because here you have,
in a fact, a battle between arguably the most powerful
politician on the planet, the President of the United States,
versus the richest man on the planet, the Elon Musk.
So I don't know. I'm not a betting man, so

(34:14):
I won't bet, but I do think that this is
going to be very interesting in the next few days.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Well, Trump should be worried, shouldn't he, Because Musk certainly
helped him to power. So presumably Musk can rally just
as much of those resources and make his life hard
Wiley's in power.

Speaker 10 (34:30):
Well, they both have good reason to be concerned about
one another. And here's why. In a nutshell, let's take
President Trump first. President Trump, You're right, he benefited to
the tune of about a quarter of a billion dollars
that Elon Musk pumped into Trump's campaign to reclaim the

(34:52):
White House. More importantly, Musk also helped finance a lot
of the campaigns for winning Republicans in the Senate and
in the House of Representatives. So if Musk disappears and
takes the money that he has with him, that is
a problem for mister Trump and for Republicans you know,

(35:15):
down the road. Now, let's look at it from the
other point of view. If you're Elon Musk, he's got
some problems too. The President is threatening to take away
a lot of federal contracts, of which Elon Musk benefits enormously.
For Tesla, for SpaceX. He's threatening. In fact, Steve Bannon, who,

(35:37):
as I'm sure you know, has been a long time
Trump supporter and activist, I suppose he tonight, is also
suggesting that Elon Musk be deported from the United States,
even though he actually is a US citizen and has
been for something like twenty years now. So this is

(35:58):
really ugly. And you know, and I've said this to
some other people in the past few hours, if you
were a writer and if you sat down to write
a novel or a screenplay or a teleplay and you
try to sell this plot to anybody, they would probably
laugh you out of the building.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
This was always going to end this way, wasn't it, though,
with two characters like that.

Speaker 10 (36:22):
Yeah, I mean, I think you're right about that you're
talking about. I mean, look at the egos that you're
dealing with. You know, it takes an enormous ego, which
certainly mister Trump has for anyone, frankly to run for
and be elected as president of the United States, but

(36:42):
certainly mister Trump probably surpasses most in the ego department.
And then Elon Musk, who, again it's no small feed
I suppose to be the richest man in the known universe.
So yes, you're talking about a clash of incredible egos.
It was bound to have a parting of the ways

(37:03):
at some point. Mister Trump is not known for liking
to share the spotlight with anyone. But having said that,
nobody I think it would have predicted that the end
of this relationship, if it is an end, but I
suspect it is, at least in the short run. No
one would have suspected it would end in such a

(37:26):
dramatic in some ways, almost Shakespearean, you know fashion. And
anyone who says that they would have predicted it would
end this way is probably lying.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Charles, it's very good to talk to you. Thank you
so much, as Charles Feldman US political analyst Heather dup
c Ellen. Right, Well, we have a case of sky
City versus Fletchers. Now sky City is suing Fletcher for
delays in building the Auckland Central Convention Center. They want
three hundred and thirty million dollars in damage. Oliver Amanda
is the CEO of the New Zealand Shareholders Association.

Speaker 19 (37:55):
Hey Oliver good as known Heather, is three hundred and.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Thirty million dollars realistic.

Speaker 19 (38:02):
Look, I think that's really for the lawyers to decide.
Fletcher Building has been very clear in saying it has
already paid significant condota damages as a result of the delays,
and so really it's not for me. It's not my
place to actually judge that and say that. Ultimately it's
the lawyers. It'll be the winner on the day for
this case.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
I imagine it's going to have a dampener on the
share price for as long as this drags on, won't it.

Speaker 19 (38:26):
I think it's another sort of nail in the coffin
of the longest of issues associated with the ICC and
Fletcher Building. It's interesting to see the share price reaction day.
The share price is down very slightly, but sort of
not as significantly as it may have been in the past.
Why not think, well, that's I think Fletcher Building. Their

(38:48):
share price has stabilized the last year or so, especially
relatory stable since about middle of twenty twenty four. So
that does there's sensily for causeus optimism surrounding the company
and its future. So look, whether this that the reaction
today or the more muted reaction today may mean that
the investors might be skeptical about the outcome of the

(39:09):
case or really there's just not enough information with its
judge in terms of the likelihood of the amount that
Fletchers will pay or will be erected to pay as
a result of any judgment.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
It's an unbelievable run that this company's had, isn't it.
What's that very hit unbelievable run that Fletcher Building has had?

Speaker 19 (39:25):
It is, and what it really reflects is that it
really highlights the long term impact of strategic and governance
decisions that are they take a decade to come out
of the woodwork, and that's what we sing here Fletchers.
But you know, as I said, that the share price
does appear to have stabilized over the last years, So
that tells you that institutions and individual investors they may

(39:48):
there may be some cautious optimism developing in terms of
Fletcher's future, which is good news. That is very for
Sky City. I think the main issue that investors want
to see there is simply that they that whatever action
you're taking here, that it isn't a distraction from improving
their risk profile. I've done a lot of work on
their risk processes, risk management, how they manage their compliance

(40:12):
with the regulatory regulatory authorities both here in New Zealand
and in Australia since the issues that they hadn't adelaide
in particular. So look, I think anything, I think investors
will be wanting the assurance that there's no distraction from
that ongoing process and improvement. And actually the if you
look at the sky City returns in the last five years,
I mean that share price has been on a one

(40:32):
way ticket down down South. Where else can do that
does a disservice of the people of South Island.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
I'm very sorry, Yeah, fair enough, I appreciate that, Oliver,
Thanks very much, Olive Amanda the chief executive officer at
the Shareholders Association.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Ever do for Ellen?

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Question for you? Okay, think about this? How much actually okay,
how much do you think you would earn if you
took the job as the media boss the Ministry for
Disabled People?

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Right?

Speaker 3 (41:02):
This is the person, so the media boss at the
Ministry for Disabled People. Whenever we were like, oh, something
happened that we need to talk to the Ministry for
Disabled People, we would get in touch with this person
as the media This person would reply to us with
an email or a phone call or you know, you know,
like something probably just a text actually or something. Okay,
how much do you think that they would earn based

(41:23):
in Wellington? How much do you reckon think about it?
I'm going to tell you shortly quarter past all right,
I'm going to get oh, somebody's already guessed it, already
guessed it. I'm going to come back to this very shortly.
Stand by right now. It's eighteen past five. New Zealand's
first water crematorium though, has just opened in christ Church.
Apparently it's more environmentally friendly than you know, getting cremated
with the fire. Deborah Richards is an operator for the crematorium.

(41:45):
High Debbie, Hi, Heather, how are you well? Thank you?
So does this basically work like this that it breaks
you guys? Take the body, put some solution in and
it breaks it down. Is that essentially that the nuts
and bolts of it.

Speaker 7 (41:57):
So, yes, there's a little bit more to explain. But
we've imported a unit called a resumator from Leads in
the UK and it is it's essentially my background's nursing,
so it's essentially like a large sterilizer and it mimics
what happens to the body under the soil. With burial,
it breaks us down to our basic building blocks amino acids, sugars, soap,

(42:18):
and that is the liquid that's left behind. But most importantly,
the family receive bone ash, just as they do with
flame cremation. We pull the tray out from the resumator
at the end of the process. It's fourty five hours
and the body is broken down to its basic building
blocks as I said, which is returned to the water
cycle as process liquid that goes to the water treatment system.

(42:40):
Family receive the bones because we pull the bones the
tray out. The bones are left behind and anything that
is not of the body, hip implants, dental implants, knee replacements,
things like that are clean and can be recycled. And
the family receives about thirty percent more ash than they
would with flame cremation. And it's pure white because so

(43:00):
much more of the bones are preserved.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
So you could somebody opt to get all those little
leftover bits like the tooth caps and all that stuff
as well. Oh sure, so you can have like a
little container of ashion and a little container of extras.

Speaker 7 (43:13):
Yes, we can give them the urn with the ashes
in and whatever else have they if that's what they
choose to do.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Absolutely, you reckon, he's going to take off?

Speaker 6 (43:21):
I do.

Speaker 7 (43:22):
I do most people that are really wanting to leave
less of a carbon imprint or a footprint. For those
people that want to be emissing less carbon, we amit
about one hundred and eighty two more sometimes more than
two hundred and forty kg of carbon with a flame cremation,
and more than seventy percent of us are choosing flame
cremation and alterio are now so for those people that

(43:43):
want to act on climate change and are concerned about
their environmental impact, I believe so. I think people do
want to know what they can do to address climate change,
and this is now an option that they can choose.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Debbie, thanks appreciate it. Debbie Richards, who is the Christier's
Water Crematorium director, Right, Heather, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
I am sad to say that's pretty close to being
bang on. If you were the media boss for the
Ministry of Disabled People, you would earn two hundred and

(44:16):
fifty eight thousand, two hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars, Like,
are you listening to this? Two hundred and fifty eight
thousand dollars. Do you know what you do for a
job like that's got to be one of the easiest
media people jobs in the world. Literally, all you would
do all the day, all day long is you just
send out press releases asking for I don't know more
ramps and iPads and telling people off if there's a

(44:38):
big bruhaha about people parking and disabled car parks, for example, nationally,
you don't do that. There were do you know what?
I emailed them today because I was like, that can't
be real. Two hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars. So
I emailed them and I was like, high media team,
could you just let me know if this is actually true?
If not, what is it actually? Can you reply by
four o'clock? I sent that at two eighteen. They haven't replied.

(45:00):
That's what these people are getting paid for. Nah, didn't
even acknowledge andn't even say yeah, we got it. And
I'm going to two hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars.
Let me tell you something. That job, that's the easiest
job because no one hates disabled people, right, so you're
not gonna be There's not a lot of fires that

(45:21):
you're going to be fighting, do you know what I mean?
It's not like you're the cops or something like that.
That job maximum one hundred and fifty thousand, maximum one
hundred and fifty thousand, And the only reason I'm paying
you more than one twenty is because you're probably managing
some other people. One fifty maximum two fifty eight is
taking the piss And you know what, that is the
perfect example of what's wrong with the public service. What's

(45:42):
wrong with other people use using taxpayers money because they're like,
there's lots of it, just give it away. How much
did you want tow hundred and fifty eight? Yeah, no
worries heaps someone to go around. That's the problem with
the public service and a nutshell jeez. Five twenty anyway,
what don't any of you and my team think about
quitting and going and doing that job. They're all looking

(46:03):
at me like what am I doing with my life?
Five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and news
dogs they'd be hither.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
It's one hundred and twenty thousand dollars for the actual job,
but also one hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars for
having to live in Wellington, which actually is a fair
point five twenty five. Now, I've been thinking overnight about
the news yesterday that a second christ Church school has
decided to put the walls back up in their classrooms
and abandon those modern learning barn style spaces that we
were doing, you know, in favor of going back to

(46:36):
the traditional single class. The school is Shirley Boys High.
They're the ones who'd just done it, and their last year,
rang Yielder High School did the same thing something that
Rangyorder High School's principal said struck me. He said, the
results have been a huge shift in engagement, in attendance,
in achievement. It is not what I was expecting. I
was expecting a small shift, but it has gone through

(46:56):
the roof. It's made a massive difference in everything in
the school. And that reminded me a lot of what
the principles and the teachers said after we banned the
phones and schools remember that we banned the phones, and
suddenly they were saying, wow, the difference is huge. But
all we've done in both cases is the obvious thing
isn't it. I mean, obviously, if you take the phones
away from kids, they're going to be less distracted, they're

(47:18):
going to learn better, they're going to talk to each
other more, they're going to play outside more. And obviously,
if you put thirty kids in a room by themselves,
there will be less noise. Then if you have one
hundred and twenty kids in a big space together. Why
is it so hard for us to do the obvious thing?
Why did the Ministry of Education? Why was it so
hell bent on doing the wrong thing? Because if you
listen to educators or everybody else who's involved in this,

(47:40):
they will tell you it was virtually impossible to get
a school upgrade unless you agreed to take all the
walls down and go buy in style. And yet obviously
it was a really big mistake. It feels a little
bit like the Ministry of Education went through a weird
experimental phase that has cost our kids with everything from
classroom styles to weird ways to teach English when they
didn't have to do it, and when common sense would

(48:01):
tell you that it wasn't gonna work. Why is it
so hard when it comes to schooling for us to
do the obvious thing Heather do for c Allen, Amersfield.
Congratulations to Amersfield. Ammersfield Restaurant has been ranked in the
World's fifty Best Restaurants fifty one to one hundred list.

(48:24):
So it's not in the top fifty. Is that it's
in the top one hundred's in the fifty one. It's
in this b side. But hey, it's in the top
one hundred of the world's restaurants for twenty twenty five. Ammersfield.
If you don't know is that's the vineyard in central Otargets.
It's a halfway between Aarrowtown and Queenstown. It's price I've
been there. I don't remember paying this much. It's pricey.

(48:45):
You can pay up to seven hundred dollars just for
if you order from the chef's menu, and then the
wine matching is another six hundred dollars. So if you're
thinking of going there, you're going to be saving your
pennies for a little while before you go there. But
let me tell you you're gonna want to go there. It's
an amazing Congratulations them because genuinely, that is the kind
of meal you do it like on your tenth anniversary

(49:07):
and you talk about it for years. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Quick after making the news, the news makers talk to
Heather first. It's Heather due to see Ellen drive with
one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks. He'd be
you're feeling down to swallow.

Speaker 10 (49:25):
Make you have be.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Hither seven hundred dollars for a feed. You laugh at
us because you can afford it, but we laugh at
you because you'll pay it.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
What do you talk?

Speaker 3 (49:34):
I didn't pay that. What do you your nuts? You heard?
You know that I'm part Scottish. I don't fork out
that kind of money for anything.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
The only person going there's whoever lands that job at
the Ministry for Disabled People. They're going there and shouting everybody.
So you're gonna have so much dough. Helen Clark is
going to be with us after six o'clock. By the way,
get her taken what Winston said about her, that she's
irrelevant and also the sports huddler standing by. It's twenty
four away from six now. Rob Walter is the guy
who has just been named the new head coach the
black Caps. He takes over from Gary Stead, who of

(50:04):
course only wanted to coach the red bull cracket but
that was not an option and Rob is with us
right now. I have Rob congratulations, Thanks very much.

Speaker 18 (50:11):
When did you get the news on Wednesday? So known
for a couple of days.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Are you still fizzling about it?

Speaker 18 (50:19):
Absolutely? Obviously Today it became a little bit more real
with all the press engagement. But looking forward to is
going to be awesome opportunity.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Yeah. Now, how do you feel about the workload you've
just been given? Because Gary Stead has said that really
doing all three formats is just too much.

Speaker 18 (50:38):
I suppose, you know, having had a taste of it,
albeit just in the white ball format for the last
couple of years, have a good sense of you know,
the responsibility from a time point of view. So I mean, yes,
the workload potentially, you know, is significant. But looking forward
to unfortunately my family, as I said, I've had a
taste of it and understand very support above it. So

(51:01):
I'm just looking forward to getting my feet and the
shoes and getting active.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah. How do you feel about the fact that so
many of our cricketers are now choosing not to sign
the central contracts?

Speaker 18 (51:13):
To be fair, it's kind of, you know, a sign
of the times really, you know, the league, the League's obviously,
you know, drawing players away from national contract team just
given you know the financial implications of it already, So
I mean not totally ununderstandable, We get it. It's really
about being flexible, trying to evolve with the times, understanding

(51:35):
where international cricket is headed. I think fortunately we've got
a group of players who are certainly very focused on
playing for the Black Apps and so trying to be
you know, to move with it and be flexible in
terms of how we contract players. You even create really
have been trendt in that department, so we know we're
going to have to keep moving and you know, there's

(51:56):
no not black and white, so that it's going to
have to be kind of a moving target and trying
to get the best of both both.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Do you think that you prioritize the players, Like if
you have everybody available for selection and you've got people
who've signed the central contracts and people who haven't, do
you prioritize the ones who've signed the central contracts as
if to kind of send a message to the ones
who aren't, or do you just treat them all the same?

Speaker 10 (52:19):
No?

Speaker 18 (52:19):
I mean, obviously there is an element of acknowledging those
you have committed through contracts, you know, to New Zealand
and to the black Caps. I mean that's it goes
without saying. But in the same breath, there are guys
who have earned the right to to have a look
at these different opportunities, you know. So at the end
of the day, Kaine Williamson is a perfect example and said,
you're not going to hold it against game that he's

(52:41):
having a look at opportunities. You know, he's earned that right.
So as I said, you know, there's not going to
be one rule that can't work that way. And ultimately
we saw want to win games of crickets for the
black Caps and for New Zealand and play great cricket
and represent the country. Well, so we want to pick
you know, players are going to do that.

Speaker 7 (52:57):
Rob.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Now, how are you going to feel because that is
one of an accent you've got there and it escapes
nobody where you're from. How are you going to feel
about going up against you know, your homeland.

Speaker 18 (53:08):
I mean to be fair, you know, I've spent nine
years in New Zealand. Although maybe my accent doesn't quite
told the story, but no, I mean for me, as
I said, you know, I was very privileged to you
have coach South Africa and again to get to this job.
You know, I'm coached to side that I'm fortunate enough
to have called home across you know, my life. So
first year you're not going to.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Feel a little bit. You're not going to feel a
bit bitter sweet about it.

Speaker 18 (53:32):
No, not at all. I mean, at the end of
the day, i'd certainly Shukri is another coach, is a
red bull coach and all fought all formats. I'd love
to get bragging right over him and we get on
really well. But it'd be nice to walk away that.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
You know, you know you're going to get a hard time. Mate,
We're going to give you a hard time because because
you've got that accent.

Speaker 18 (53:51):
I've had it, I've had it, and I understand probably
continue to get it.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
That's okay.

Speaker 18 (53:55):
I don't necessarily worry about the authorities that as.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Long as you're prepared for Rob, go well, and I
hope you have many successes because we'll all enjoy it
very much. Rob Walter, the black Caps coach, is coming
up nineteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
The Friday Sports Turdle with New Zealand Soubody's International Realty
find you're one of the kind.

Speaker 14 (54:18):
It'll be a.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Mo jum study final on Friday that Jocko.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
In SACA smash you away into.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
A first roll on Garl Final.

Speaker 8 (54:32):
Patience will a chance to win it?

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Final seconds not fouls to do Haliburton looking Halliburton.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Driving puss up jump shot.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
That's good. Quit three tons of a second remaining time out.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Okay, see Tyrense Halliburton does it again.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Hay on the huddle with us this evening. The sports
title Matt Brown, Boss of Communications at Oceania Football, and
Andrew Gordy, sports commentator, Hello you too right now? R
Andrew Gordy, do you want to say gooday to him?
Or did you ready?

Speaker 2 (55:02):
I see the man Before we go any further though,
I said, we need to offer a hardy congratulations you
are on your award last night and give a sports panel.
I feel like we need to offer sort of some
sporting punditary analysis off your award and your impact across
the season. I mean, I don't know about you, but
when I see when I see Doopussy Allen on the

(55:24):
team sheet, it just it brings a whole other level
to the game. No impact, right, from the park and everything.
You know, do you know what I do? You absolutely And.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Can I just say this very quickly, I am never
even going to be horrible to any of those sports
players for when they you know, when they win something
and they come and give the world's most boring speech.
Because I said earlier, I said what I would have
said if I was there, and somebody text me and
was like, it was a good thing you weren't there.
That was really boring And it's really hard to put
together a good speech, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Well apparrently, Lord did a great job.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
And loot the ratings always spoke Andrew at around about
five forty on a Friday.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Anyway to do with that, of course, nothing to do.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
That's when we bring in our impact players, which is
what you guys are, Matt just running the pie man.
I've got to say I feel sorry for Rob that
he's got that accent, because there is nothing more that
we like doing than being really mean to foreigners. And
the minute that he does something, we don't because we're
mean to Gary. But we're going to be very mean
to Rob, aren't we?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
So sure?

Speaker 5 (56:22):
I think I think as a rugby player it was
a rug if somebody had a South African coach in
the your blacks, definitely, I think. But for cricket no,
I mean think of Grand Elliott the South African accent
winning that World Cup semi final.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
That incredible. But he wasn't the greatest match in New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
No, it wasn't a coach. But we've had a lot
of South African influence in the New Zealand side over
the years. Get one stage the first Vola Ellen Donald
was an assistant coach. So yeah, look, I think good
luck to him. He's got a good record, very good record,
both domestically here and obviously with what the protein is
and getting to that last one.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Remember you remember what I'm saying now, and the first
time that he does something that you know, because we
called for Gary's head at least about seven times, and
the first time that we call for his head, it's
going to that's going to come up? Is not any
mane key we I bet you, Gordy. Do you think
that the truth about why they wouldn't give why they
wouldn't give Gary the one you know, the red bull
and somebody else the white ball and the other formats
and whatnot, is because we simply don't have enough players

(57:17):
to split between two or three coaches. Is that the truth.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
I don't know if it's enough players, but I just
I think it's the right call to keep one coach
across three formats. I don't think that's a that's not
a blanket view that I have. But when you have
a certain number of players who compete across all three formats,
if you had completely different sets of players for white
ball and red ball, I think it would it would work.
It would suit having two coaches, but not when there's

(57:42):
that crossover, because then if you have two coaches, you
have too completely sets the different sort of expectations, ways
of running the team, completely different cultures. So I think
it's the right call, and I think the Jelling Cricket
has made the right call by giving it to Rob.
No no Offen's to Bondie. But I think Rob has
great experience both within US ger on domestic cricket and
international cricket as a head coach. So I like the call.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Yeah you agree with that?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
That absolutely?

Speaker 5 (58:07):
Yeah, I can't agree more with So really what Andrew
just said there, I think, look, he's residing Hawks Bay.
Best part of the country as well. So yes, and
all serious to say, Yeah, I think it is a
student move and I'm not sure we do have that
much depth. The depth really at the top level. Two
have you know, three different sets of players. I mean
there is going to be crossover.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
There always will be here.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
Some of the best players will be able to play
multiple forms of the game.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
All right, guys, take a break, come back to you
very shortly.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
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Ofby's International reality, the ones with local and global reach.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Right, you're back with the sports hititle Andrew Gordy and
Matt Brown. Gordy listen. Pretty much everybody who matters reckons
that the playoffs format for the Super Rugby is ridiculous.
What do you think.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I think you're a loser if you like having a
lucky loser in the Super Rugby playoffs is what I
think it. It just stinks, doesn't know. I'm firmly of
the belief that when you get to the quarterfinals, in
the semi finals, they should be knockout, and so the
idea that you can lose a quarter final and still
advance to the next round just thinks to me and
I especially hate that the Brumbies Hurricanes game is the

(59:12):
last game of the rounds. It would make more sense
if that was, say, the first game of the rounds,
because then they're waiting to sort of learn their fate.
The reality is that both of those teams are likely,
based on the book is odds to know their fate
by the time they go into that game at nine
to thirty five on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
So yeah, it adds a bit of jeopardy to it. Elliott Smith, So, Matt,
what Elliot Smith says should happen is that you rest
the two top teams, which would be the Blues and
the Crusaders, right, and then you let the other four
do sudden death, and then two get to advance and
play the two top teams and then.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
Well that's what Yeah, that's what I've in the A League.
You had that, although that was a two legged semi final.
Is a difference in the football scenario.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
But yeah, it's either one.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
It's either you know, three plays what three plays six?
Four places five and then the two teams under a
sixteen finals format of you'll move away from straight quarterfinals.
Last week I was completely confused because I was actually
watching right than my dad, and we were working out
the permitations and that's actually what I thought happened. So
there you go. I was completely wrong. And then I
was driving somewhere and hearing that format and thinking, oh

(01:00:14):
my goodness, this is just so wrong on so many counts.
I mean the fact that the Hurricanes and Brumbis, both
of them could well get a second life.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Hey, listen to what do you guys think? What else?
Start with you? What do you think about the netball huddle?
Is that lame?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
It's really lame and it's just outdated. I think it's
unrealistic in the in the professional era to expect players
to continue to do that. Having said that, I think
the game of netball's got much better problems on hands
than whether both teams should come together in a huddle
at full time, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Yeah, that's a fair point, isn't it. But we can
start with the lame thing, can't we met?

Speaker 11 (01:00:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:00:46):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
I mean teams that you know you're playing hard out
on the quart I mean when you Zealand in Australia players,
the silver fans, I mean it always, It's always occurred
to me as being this nicey niciness at the end
of the game. Come on, you're hard enough, hard.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
And up you want you want to prop a scrap
a you're going to scrap. You don't want to stand
there with the arms around your sweaty mate? Do you play?
Who wants to get your your mate sweet all over
your arm pits?

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
I reckon, I reckon, Gordy that Liam Lawson has, you know,
is entitled to feel a little bit pipped because these
guys are giving Yuki some time and support, but he
never had that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Yeah, but I understand what you're saying, so long as
you actually believe what rear Ball is saying to him.
Why should we believe anything that comes out of the
mouth of these Red Bull bosses. Because it was absolute
lip service when it came to Liam Lawson. What's to
say it's not complete and out of lip service when
it comes to Yuki Sonoda as well. Now do I
actually believe that?

Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
I don't. I think they will give them the time
and support that he apparently needs, because I think there's
strong forces at play when it comes to deciding which
drivers fill which seats at which manufacturer. But yeah, I
would feel a bit aggrieved by as Liam Lawson. But
I wouldn't necessarily be taking everything he is. Bosses say

(01:02:00):
as absolutey, maybe wait and see what happens their point.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
By the way, apparently it's the Chief's Crusaders, not the
Blues Crusaders.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
No, Chief, it's not is the Chiefs Blues?

Speaker 19 (01:02:11):
Inn it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
He's still confused.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not who's
playing each other? I said, who the top two teams are.
It's not the Blues and the Crusaders, the Chiefs and
the Crusaders.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Absolutely, yeah, them both a week off.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
No one should listen to me about Super Rugby. I
don't watch it like famously in my world. Matt, listen,
can you weigh on on something for me? Because you
are a media boss, aren't You're a media boss, aren't you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Sort of?

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Yeah, yeah, it is two hundred and fifty eight thousand
dollars for the media boss of the Ministry of Disabled People.
A little bit on the march side.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
I'm in the wrong job.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
I'm definitely in the wrong job if it is, yeah, exactly,
I mean I would have thought.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
So what do they do anyway, Well, they just call
for more ramps and iPads, don't they and then tell
tell them, tell the National government off when they take
stuff away from disabled people. I mean, it's that's the
easiest job in the world, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
I don't want to get my TV ready this weekend,
but any.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Okay, well anyway, listen, just go to seek and I'll
send you the link in a minute. Guys, thank you
very much, appreciate it. Matt Brown, boss of Comm's at Media,
boss at Oceania Football. It's Andrew Gordy, sports commentator. Away
from six, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Hey, just a reminder, Halen Clark is going to be
with us after six. It's five away from six. At
the moment, Heather Stuff was saying that the outages were
from human era. George, George, thank you. Yes. What has
happened is it does appear that there are two separate
causes today to the Internet outages. But I don't know
if you've noticed this, but Internet and New Zealand never
goes down just because one person chopped a line. Like,

(01:03:44):
it's always got to be two weird things that happened
at once, and so the one thing is that. Yes. Unfortunately,
because you know how we are in New Zealand, none
of us can possibly dig a hole without chopping the fiber,
and that appears to be something happened. Corus said it
was the result of human era during planned works which
resulted in one of our core ethernet routers for the
Wellington region being isolated from our network. Do you think

(01:04:05):
being isolated from our network means someone cut through it? Fortunately,
Chorus has tried to Chorus has tried to say that
in such a such a weird way that we can't,
but no, we do. Actually, most of us can speak
quite reasonable levels of English, so we got what happened there, mate,
And we've also been around long enough to see you
cut through this stuff one too many times. But anyway, yes,

(01:04:28):
so it was also the naval ship and you can
google it if you want to. If you don't believe
what I've said, just to verify it, just google it.
Just google it and then you'll see that in fact
I was correct as well. George. Thank you. Now, look
on this business of Michael Forbes, Prime Minister's press secretary
by day creep by night, it's becoming increasingly clear. I
think that the police have ballsed up this investigation if

(01:04:50):
you actually pay attention to the details here for a start,
I think it's weird. And I'm starting to see a
lot more people now saying exactly the same thing. That
they didn't charge him for filming women through the windows
because that clearly is unlawful. And if you listen to
the prostitute's collective, it's a building, you can see it's
an apartment building. There has to be some level of

(01:05:11):
being able to recognize what that building is so they
can go and trace the women and talk to the
women and be like, how do you want to press charges?
And it's repetitive behavior, right, so this is the kind
of creepy stuff you want to stop. So I find
it weird the cops didn't investigate. That's the first thing.
The second thing is that he gave his government phone.
If you believe the sex workers version of events, he

(01:05:31):
gave his government phone and pin to a bunch of
angry sex workers now so that they could go through it.
That's a huge breach of security. Surely, if the police
knew that, and they might have known that because the
sex workers talked to them, they should have told somebody
but also then the police seized his phone with a warrant,
and surely at that point they should have been like,

(01:05:52):
h hey, minister, just FYI, this thing is going on,
or told his employer the Department of Internal whatever they called.
What is it called? It's like late on a Friday,
DIA Department of Internal. What is it, Laura? Are you
paying attention? What's the DIA Department of Internal? Thank you? Affairs?

(01:06:14):
What is wrong with me? I couldn't even come up
with that word anyway. Talk to Thomas about it later.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
What's fuck? What's down?

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
What with a major cause?

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
And how will it affect the economy? The big business
questions on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and
Ma's insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future,
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Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Even in coming up to the next hour, Peter Lewis
is going to talk us through that friendly phone call
between she and Trump. Thomas Coglin will wrap the political
week that was, and then Gavin Gray is with us
out of the UK. It's eight past six now. A
group of senior former politicians have come out against the
government's foreign policy position. Don Brash, Jeffrey Palmer, Helen Clark
and David Carter are among a group who've signed an

(01:06:59):
open letter urging the Prime Minister to rethink what they
call an adversarial stance towards China. Now for more, let's
talk to Helen Clark. Hie, Helen, Hi have Helen, what
is it that you are so worried about that you
guys have felt the need to take out full page
ads and a bunch of newspapers.

Speaker 9 (01:07:14):
New Zealand's had a very carefully balanced foreign policy and
fully independent. So we have a major trade partner in
China with the US. We have a partner in values,
democratic systems, and also significant trade. But what we've seen
is this steady drift towards signing more and more military

(01:07:35):
agreements with the US, and clearly agreements that are aimed
at China, our major trade partner. Now this could be
extremely costly to New Zealand. Firstly because countries that the
US perceives of as quote allies, which we haven't formerly
been for quite a long time, are being asked to
spend huge amounts of.

Speaker 16 (01:07:54):
Money on the fence.

Speaker 9 (01:07:55):
And secondly, if China decided to retaliate in some way,
then our trade is endangered.

Speaker 16 (01:08:03):
So there's quite risky.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Territory here, not even to mention the fact that the
US is unreliable. Right, They'll be with us until it suits,
and they'll leave us sitting there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
This is exactly the point.

Speaker 9 (01:08:14):
So you could be making, you know, all sorts of
statements in line with the rhetoric today and then you
wake up, as we did this morning, to find that
President She and President Trump have had a very friendly conversation.
Now I'm troubled. I've had a friendly conversation. It's been
it's been needed. But you don't know what dime it's
going to turn on today.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Yeah, but now, what are you worried about? I mean
that you guys are acting as if you are genuinely
very concerned about something quite drastic happening.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
What is that?

Speaker 9 (01:08:41):
Well, the most drastic thing that could happen would be
non tariff barriers starting to enter the trade with China. Yeah,
and you know, I mean think back to Rainbow Warrior
when the frozen lamb's brains rotted in the port.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Are not suggesting that that considering any such things. But
if New Zealand can continues to.

Speaker 9 (01:09:00):
Poke in the eye gratuitously sailing through the Taiwan Straits
of the naval vessel, all the rhetoric about the threat,
these series of new agreements that are being signed. I
mean Chinese, you know they watch all this. I'm not
saying we should be beholden to any one country. I'm saying,

(01:09:21):
as the colleagues are saying, can we please get back
that careful balance between our relationships now.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
The thing is the use of the word adversarial. Right,
it reads as if you guys think that we are
provoking China. But is it not the case that China
is actually provoking us and is a threat to us.

Speaker 9 (01:09:39):
No, I don't accept that it's a threat to us.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Then how do we explain them sailing the warships down
the Tasman Sea.

Speaker 9 (01:09:48):
Well, well, actually they have total freedom of navigation, and
of course Zealand exercise freedom of navigation sailing through the
Taiwan Straits prior.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
To that, so there can be a bit of tit
for tat and Well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
That is an act of provocation, isn't it. I mean
they're not just doing that for a little bit of
a sight seeing exercise.

Speaker 9 (01:10:05):
But any more than New Zealand sailing through the Taiwan Strait.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
I think, you know, what goes around comes around. I
think where they made a significant.

Speaker 9 (01:10:12):
Mistake Heather, was they should have advised they were going
to do their firing exercises. Yea, and that remember that
had some impact on aviation and so on.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
That was deliberate though, wasn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:10:24):
Well, you know we should have we should have been advised.
Australians should have been advised, no question. So but these
are the tensions that are coming into the relationship, and
as I say, that can play out in different ways,
including with respect to non tariff barriers. For example, you know,
a wink and a nod from Beijing means that travelers
don't come to New Zealand in great numbers and we've

(01:10:47):
never got back to the pre pandemic levels.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Now, listen, what do you make of Winston saying that
the three of you are irrelevant, three of you being
the former prime ministers and opposition leaders.

Speaker 16 (01:10:57):
Obviously it's in interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:11:00):
When you make a point that's back with a number
of factual statements about what we're concerned about, that their
immediate response is to mount a personal attack. So I'm
not going to descend to that level. No, he should
address the substance of what we're saying, which is that
the government is intent on a radical realignment of New

(01:11:22):
Zealand foreign policy, and that never took that to the electorate,
and the electorate rightly really is focused on the cost
of living and housing and a lot of other things.
But meanwhile a realignment which carries some real risks in
New Zealand is underway.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Helen, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate
your time, Helen Clark, Former Prime Minister Helene Alan Thomas
Coglan's going to be a that's rap. The political week,
there was in just a minute road cone tapline two
hundred and thirty six complaints in the first four days. Hey,
how's that two hundred and thirty six complaints. Now you
might go, oh, well, you know, it could be Bush,

(01:12:00):
it could be better. But those are two hundred and
thirty six complaints that we didn't have last week. So
now we've got two hundred and thirty six sits that
we can start working on to get rid of those
road cones. Auckland the greatest number of complaints. That should
be no surprise to anyone at all. So Auckland Transport
appears to have earned around about fifty complaints. Then Wellington
City Council, which I'm going to say is punching. It's

(01:12:20):
disproportionate for the population that's got about about thirty complaints.
New Zealand Transport. So just so that you know what
happens is that in the local roads are done by
your local roading authority. So you know, Auckland Transport does
Auckland Roads, Wellington Council does Wellington Roads, blah blah blah blah,
and then New Zealand Transport does all the highways and
stuff like that. Right, New Zealand Transport actually not doing

(01:12:42):
too badly given that they've got a lot of roads
under their perfume. They are maybe like twenty seven to
twenty eight. Christ Church City Council coming in around about
mible say fifteen, Carpertee Council, New Plymouth Council and Western
Bay of Plenty District Council. They are all in there
around about slightly under teens. Then you've got Hat City Council,
Dunedin Council, Hamilton City Council and Hay Hastings District Council.

(01:13:06):
But yeah, no, surprise to absolutely anyone at all in
Auckland that it is the one most complained about so far. Now, Okay,
while I'm very excited about this, I also want these
guys now to follow up with. And then we turned
up at that site and there were thirty thousand cones
and we made them take them all away, and now
they've only got five cones. That's what I want, a
good news story out of the subwhere. But I'm sure

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that's that. You know, Chris Bishop has thought of that.
Fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
By the way, Helen Clark what she was just talking
about that phone call between Trump and she were talking
to Peter Lewis about that shortly, Heather. I've never been
a fan of Helen, but she is absolutely right in
my opinion. Seventeen past six. Now Thomas Coglan, political editor
for The Herald, wrapping the political week that was. Welcome back, Thomas, Thomas,
I'm worrying about the polls.

Speaker 6 (01:13:59):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
You know that we've had two poles this week that
have contradicted each other. But this is actually just the
latest installment in quite a bit of a trend of this.

Speaker 14 (01:14:05):
Right, Yeah, gosh, the last time we had a really
big contradiction I remember maybe there was one last year,
but there was at that time the Nats had a
had a, had a had They took a shue with
the red research pole. Yes, so far away from their
own internal polls, and Jerry Browney, who I think was
their campaign chair at the time, he put out a
present that the pole was rubbish. So we haven't quite

(01:14:27):
got to that level of contradiction yet, but yes, they
are right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
I've noticed. I don't know if you've noticed this, but
the Curier Pole swings quite a lot lately, which is
which is pretty unusual, which was which the Taxpayer's Union
Curier Pole. I find that it's got a lot of
really big swings, and then it often seems to kind
of be a bit of an outlier compared to some
of the others. Do you know have you not.

Speaker 14 (01:14:48):
Noticed this that hasn't I'm sorry, I'm stumped.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
You Well, now you will now you've seen it.

Speaker 14 (01:14:56):
No, I think it's out next week, so I'll wait
with breath to see what it's some what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
I just I feel like, look, maybe and maybe it
doesn't matter so much because of where we are in
the political cycle. But I feel as if we are
starting to choose which poles we believe yes.

Speaker 14 (01:15:11):
And that would be that would be damaging because you know,
I generally think M M P the pollings. It's pretty
easy to poll an MP. You know, you just need
a thousand numbers and ask people for which party that support.
I mean, at least at least I suppose with these
poles you get a picture that it's tight. You see
that acts under a bit of pressure. The NETS have
lost a few points. Labor's the big puzzler down down

(01:15:31):
in the TV and z'd poll but up on the
Irons'd read pole. So that's I think that's that's the
one that everyone scratching their heads over. And you know,
you can you can argue, you can argue that both ways. Right,
if labor's down, you think, oh, you know, the NETS
have made a pretty good case for physical responsibility, So
maybe voters are saying goodbye or or on the on
the Irons, i'd read side of thing as well, that
you know, tough economic times, people aren't feeling that great.

(01:15:54):
Let's give labor a go. You know, it's very hard.
We need a few more poles, I guess to see
ye see where it goes? Read sorry, a curier, the
Taxpayers Union Curier, which will be out next week. I
feel like that might be a wee bit of a tiebreaker.
And the PM says that their Curier internal poles or
has hinted that the Curia and Turnal poles are a
bit more similar to the TV and zid pole. But
if the Curier pole sides with the TV and ZID pole,

(01:16:16):
I would I would would I would put good odds
on a Talbert Mills pole, which apparently sides a bit
closer with the red pole getting leaked.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Tool always always it's after a Curier pole. There's always
a leak of a Talbot Mills, isn't there. Hey, Now,
Michael Forbes this there is a lot going on in
the story. But I'm starting to I'm starting to feel,
and I said this earlier, I'm starting to feel as
if it's a clear case of a ball's up by
the police by the police here, because number one, I
feel like they haven't properly explained why they didn't charge

(01:16:46):
him for filming people through the window, but also as
well as that, how on earth did they seize two
of his phones, one of which was a government phone
and not alert the minister.

Speaker 14 (01:16:55):
Yeah, I mean this is when you think about the
level of the low level of stuff that gets a
loose to a minister, you know, with the no surprises rule.
Think about Winston Peter's pension over payment. Yeah, I think
that the kitty Allen when she had a car crash.
I believe that got no surprise up the chain as well.
You know, basic stuff. Basic stuff goes to the minister

(01:17:17):
if it's if it's political. This clearly was political and
it seems like a pretty I mean, the new the
new Commissioner of Richard Chambers said it is ultimately a
decision for the Commissioner to decide what gets no surprised
up to the beehive.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Yes, but Thomas, I mean, not only is it political,
but he handed over his government phone and his pin
to a bunch of angry sex workers and surely there
is an actual risk there.

Speaker 13 (01:17:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:17:43):
Well yes, And that is the other angle I think
that's being pursued by the agencies is they're you know,
very clearly this this this situation raises some pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
And surely that should like when the when the when
the hookers go to the police and they say, look,
we looked at his photos and stuff. Surely the cops
at that stage have to realize, oh, geez may have
had a security breach. Should we tell somebody?

Speaker 14 (01:18:03):
Well, yeah, I think yes, And I think that that
is precisely with the IA investigations are looking at. Because
there's the issue here is you've got one agency, the police,
which which must be aware through this investigation that's something
you know, problematic is happening. But they're not talking to
the other parts of the government like the de i A,

(01:18:24):
who would be Michael Forbes's employer. They are the ones
who staffed the Mini Serial Services or the s I
S who are responsible for, you know, maintaining people's security clearances.
Clearly the police know something that both of those agencies
need to know in terms of maintaining the security clearance
and didn't tell them.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Listen quickly, what happened to Chris Bishop? Because he's not
normally this well is he does he normally mouth off
like this?

Speaker 14 (01:18:49):
No, it's this is a very funny story. I think
because Chris Bishop loves New Zealand music and the love
is very one way. You know, the music industry is
the music industry is a sort of left wing. Yeah,
it just is, you know. And and so the love
is not it doesn't, it doesn't. It's not it's not reciprocated.
It's unrequited. And he does he usually holds his tongue,

(01:19:11):
but for whatever reason, he expressed an opinion that I mean,
it's having an opinion on music. It's fine, you know,
and I think you can absolutely have have the opinion
he had of what he saw. That that that is
clearly not you know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
He didn't love it. He didn't love it, but.

Speaker 14 (01:19:27):
You know, you you generally hold your tongue when you're
in a sitting like that, so I do not know
what he was thinking. He did, however, go to Fur Patrol,
a faur patrol gig a couple of days later, and
apparently nothing happened.

Speaker 8 (01:19:37):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
I don't know. I don't know how that man has
time to go to Fur patrol. He's got two very
small children and he's very busy. Thomas, thank you very much.
The Herald's political edits are wrapping the political week there
was do you remember earlier this week? I told you
about that delivery driver, or maybe last week about the
delivery driver in Wellington update stand by six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicylan
with the business hour mares, insurance and investments through your wealth,
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Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
I think as long as people the caliber of Helen
are still out there looking after our interests, we will
be Okay, yep, I agree. I think it's going to
have this conversation at the very least six twenty six. Now,
do you remember last Friday I told you about the
food delivery thing that happened in Wellington where the guy
the guy ordered some food, had the delivery guy come
up to his door and he busted the guy with
the camera above the door, eating the food out of

(01:20:28):
the bag. Do you remember that? And do you remember
I said to you I saw it on Facebook earlier
and I hope I said this to you, this has
actually happened. I saw it on Facebook earlier and I
wasn't sure it was true, but then it popped up
on stuff. Well guess what, It's not true. It was fake.
So what happened is this guy? What It turns out
Stuff published the story to interviewed. The chap ran the story.

(01:20:50):
It was up all weekend and they whipped it down
because they obviously realized. I don't know how they realized
it wasn't true, but they did realize it wasn't true.
Turns out that the guy who did it Leon had
said he's posted a online message and he said he
did it as part of a school project to create
a fake viral video. Now look, I'm not going to

(01:21:11):
have a cracket stuff about this because the thing about
it is modern journalism is fast, right, and they saw
an interesting video. They would have had suspicions like I did,
because who has a camera like that above their door?

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
That's pretty weird in the first place anyway. And then
the guy also said in it, it's my first time
using uber type apps, and come on, like, what young
person hasn't used uber eats by now? Right, So that
was all bit suspicious, but they did due diligence. They
interviewed him. He corroborated what was in the video. What
else can you do? But it just goes to show,
doesn't it. It just goes to show how easy it

(01:21:45):
is to slip misinformation into the media nowadaysn't quite how
you get around it. I have no idea, but you
just have to be aware when you're reading it. Like
you and I, we've got to be a little bit
more suspicious than we are.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
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It's all on the business hours with Heather Duplicy, Allen
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Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
So you forget well, you will have seen the news
by now that it doesn't well, it's hard to see
that the investigators in Portugal have found anything to do
with the madel mccainn investigation. But we will go to
Gavin Graye just get get the latest from him when
he's with us. In ten minutes time, the Maori Party
have announced that because of course you know, yesterday got
the twenty one day suspension for the co leaders in

(01:22:39):
seven days for Hannah, they're going on tour. They've decided
to take the break go on tour. The party president
John Tamerhead, he says, what we've got to do is
just get out on our streets in all our par
up and down the country, activate organize and that's where
we're going now. So you know, trust them to milk
the situation as you absolutely would expect. Twenty three away

(01:22:59):
from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Here the duper c l.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent with US Now. Hy Peter, Hi, Heather,
So what do you take from this phone call?

Speaker 17 (01:23:09):
Well, if you listen to Donald Trump, he says it
was very good. He says we're in very good shape
with China and the trade deal. He says China's invited
him to Beijing, which is accepted, and that was reported
and confirmed by China. What wasn't reported confirmed by China
was that Trump was also saying President, She's going to

(01:23:29):
go to Washington. So it remains to be seen if
that happens. The thing is, though, when you look through
this as you as you tend to do, when when
you've examined more closely some of the stuff that Trump says,
nothing has really changed. There hasn't been a deal of
any sort. All that's happened is that the US President
has said that high level talks are going to begin.

(01:23:52):
So there'll be the US Treasury Secretary there, the Commerce secretary,
the trade representative, and you have to bear in mind
that the Chinese team is led by Vice Premier Hurly Thing,
and he has a clear mandate from President She not
catering to American's demands at all without getting concessions in return.
And they're not going to give a single thing away

(01:24:14):
unless they get something offered by Trump first. And that's
how it went in Switzerland. You remember a few few
weeks ago, China gave up absolutely nothing. Trump sort of
rolled back his tariffs. China match that, but didn't offer
anything else. And it's exactly the same here. You know,
there's no concessions at all, for example, on these contentious

(01:24:37):
issues of rare earth mineral exports, which is a big
sticking point and is doing a lot of damage to
American industry, the fact that they can't get hold of
these rare earths at the moments, which are essential for semiconductors,
all sorts of appliances for defense. No concessions there at all.

(01:24:58):
And if you look at the the official news agency
Generile News Agency's account of the meeting, that struck a
far less conciliatory tone in its account of a call
than Trump did. So you know that there seems all
that's happened is that we're at the beginning of a
process to try and see if the two sides can

(01:25:20):
come to some sort of agreement. But I think we're
a long way from saying that they have agreed to anything.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
Yeah, China reasons that the phone call came about because
Trump asked for it, and that seems again to indicate
that China's got the upper hand here.

Speaker 17 (01:25:32):
Yeah, I think so. I think you know, the US
has really underestimated China here. They've underestimated their willingness to
hold out and not be bullied by these tariffs. They've
also completely underestimated China's strong card here, which is the

(01:25:53):
fact that it controls global production in these rare they're
so critical and I don't think Trump anticipated that China
would hold them, and it's going to carry on with
holding them until the US is prepared to remove its
restrictions on things like exports in the video chips ai,

(01:26:14):
software and hardware and all sorts of other things, you know,
having Chinese companies on these restricted lists, and the China's
not going to give up its control over rare earths
until the US does something first in those areas, and
that may be difficult because sort of putting China on
these entity lists spanning exports to China is about the

(01:26:38):
only thing that the Republicans and the Democrats can agree
on in Congress, so it may be very very difficult
to remove them.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Quiet this business with South Korea. Do you reckon now
that they've got a new president they can put all
that turmoil behind them. Is it over?

Speaker 9 (01:26:53):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:26:54):
Definitely not over. I mean the career has an advantage
or the new president Lee has an advantage in his
party controls Parliament and he's the president, so that should
in theory make it easier to get policies through. However,
he faces some really really big challenges, not least the
fact that career is very very divided politically. It's divided

(01:27:18):
between young and old. It's divided between young men and
young women. So it's going to take a lot of
successful policies to really bridge that divide. And it's got
a huge problem on its economy. If there's one economy
in the world that depends on international trade, it's self Career.

(01:27:38):
And if there's one economy in the world that's been
damaged more than anyone else by these tariffs, it'sself career.
You have to bear in mind that eighty seven percent
of Career's economy is international trade. If the US imposes
these twenty five percent tariffs that it's threatening to do,
it will plunge the economy into recession. Exports to the

(01:28:00):
US alone are about six to eight percent of GDP,
so the economy, which already contracted in the first quarter,
will slip into recession. So President Lee has got a
really big task on his hands to try and deal
with these tariffs. And you've also got Donald Trump threatening

(01:28:23):
to throw in the security issues as well. He wants
career to pay more for its defense, and this is
going to be also very difficult for Career. They're going
to need an awful amount of stimulus to try and
offset the damage that's being done by to the economy
and also to pay for, you know, the more for

(01:28:44):
its own defense that the US claims it's in effect
paying for.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Peter, thank you for your tom We'll talk to you
again next week. You look after yourself. That's Peter Lewis
out Asia Business correspondent, seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Hither do for c Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
I have done something very bad and I actually feel
really bad. About this. I said that the Ministry for
Disabled People didn't email me, but they actually did. I
just didn't check my emails. This is why I will
never get the job as the comms person. I'm so sorry. However, however,
I feel bad. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry.

(01:29:21):
I'm doing this so they don't take me to the
BSA because that would be quite quite a situation, wouldn't
I just get an award in the next minute. I'm
getting bsa'd again, Lord and again. Yes, anyway, Heather, I
can confirm that the salary band you have below is
correct for the position. So yes, oh wait, it was
going to be whoever gets that job and congratulations in

(01:29:41):
advance is going to get two hundred and fifty eight
thousand dollars a year up to You can also find
a statement below if you need one. Jenny, Deputy Chief
Executive Strategy and Enablement. Are you telling me that she's
the deputy chief executive that only deals with strategy and
is there a chief executive of strategy and enablement and
then she's the deputy chief executive's strategy and enablement or

(01:30:02):
is she just the chief deputy chief executive who specifically
do you know what? I don't know. Whatever, there's just
a lot. It feels like a lot of people doing
a lot of nothing there communicating with what band is
she on? Oh? I mean she'd have to be. I mean,
if the person doing just the head of Colms is
on to fifty eight, then Jinny, Deputy Chief Executive Strategy

(01:30:26):
and Enablement would be on at least five hundy, wouldn't she?
And the Chief executive Oh, geez, at least seven hundy,
wouldn't she? No, I don't know. I mean the Licet
Commissioner was on seven hondy well, and that might be
too high, But I don't know. I mean, because they
wouldn't want to be see, they wouldn't want to be
seen to be discriminating against the Ministry for Disabled People
by giving their chief executive not sufficient amounts of cash

(01:30:47):
to show how important it is. So I feel like
they would overinflate it so she could be on two million.
Who knows anyway? Communicating with both the disabled disability community
and the wide a public about are efforts to drive
real change of meaningful change for disabled people is an
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People PHI Kaha. Our pay bands are aligned with that
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(01:31:07):
methodology used to ensure the size of the roles are appropriate.
During the hiring process, Starting salaries are set by considering
several factors including background and experience. Whatever, it's way too
much money, It's an easy job.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
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Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
It's twelve away from seven and Gavin Gray UK correspondence
with us.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
Hey, Gavin, Hi there the award winning congratulations.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. Tell me
do you know if these investigators have found anything read
the medal and mccan search.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
No, but they do finish seemingly a day early. And
it is a team of German and Portuguese officers who
have been on the site to try and find any
clues to do with Madeline McCann, the three year old
British girl who went missing eighteen years ago from the
Algarve in Portugal near Prior Deluge. They've been looking at
an area between where she disappeared and where a German

(01:32:11):
National called Christian Bruckner was living at the time. Now
he's currently in prison on completely different charges and has
always denied any involvement in Maddie's disappearance. They've been using
a digger. They were really centering, it would appear their
investigations using ground penetrating radar around one particular derelic building

(01:32:31):
and at the end they were seen shaking hands and
embracing as the search drew to a close. They also
appeared to have a sort of debrief in a circle
and then there was a round of applause. But as
yet we don't know what, if anything they found.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
Oh very interesting, Hey, onto politics? Was that win for
Labor in Scotland a surprise?

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
Yes, it most certainly was so. Overnight we've learned here
that the Scottish National Party has been defeated in a
seat called Hamilton Larcoll and Stonehouse. It's a Scottish constituency obviously,
and was caused this by election by the death of
the Scottish National Party's MP there, Christina McKelvey, so it

(01:33:16):
was expected that the Scottish National Party would probably hold this.
Labor hasn't been very popular our party of government. There's
lots going wrong there, and yet Labor won this vote
quite significantly ahead of the Scottish National Party. I think
the other headline to do with this is who came third? Well,
it wasn't the former government of the Conservatives. Their vote collapsed.

(01:33:39):
In fact, in the last five years it's gone from
eighteen percent down to six percent. Instead, who came third? Yep,
you guessed it. Nigel Farah's Reform UK further strengthening the
belief I think among some that they could actually become
the big opposition party here in the UK, or indeed

(01:34:00):
the big party of government.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Now, Gevin, what I mean. Weirder things have happened, and
I'm here for watching this play out, But listen, I
got to talk to you about bacteria. Does this surprise
you at all to find out that when you come
into contact with bacteria, the first bacteria you come into
contact is newborn that that protects you.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
It's very interesting, isn't it. They're calling it like the
human lick, because obviously when carbs give birth, when animals
give birth, they tend to lick their newborn baby. And
that is more than just maybe cleaning it up that
is more as well about transferring on particular microbes to
the youngster. And so research here in the UK at

(01:34:38):
the University College London and a medical institute investigated the
early stages of our bodies colonization by bacteria, fungi and more.
They collected samples of baby waste, as it were, from
one thousand newborns in the first week of life and
they do think that actually the very first bacteria that

(01:34:59):
our body meet when we're newborn, in the very first
hours after we're born, could protect us from dangerous infections.
And at the risk of drawing too many parallels, we've
also had another study saying that actually there wouldn't be
so many people with nut allergies, particularly peanut allergies, if
parents were a little bit more adventurous in the early

(01:35:21):
days and exposing youngsters to different things. Of course, I'm
not advocating people take my advice. I am not a doctor.
But these studies coming together suggested the first few days
of a newborn baby very very important in terms of
what they're exposed to.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Yeah, Gevin, thank you, Gavin Grog. We'll talk to you
next week. Our UK correspondent. Don't feed the baby a
nut because ye all I should be hon is the
bootmilk or the formula at the stage. But hey, there
is some truth to this, right, because I was saying
to the midwife, baby number one, I bathed them all
the time, bathtom from the get go, every single nights,
right and then yeah, I mean, let's be honest about it.

(01:35:59):
What happened He got a bit of x men, didn't he?
Baby number two, I couldn't be fafft far too busy,
I said to the midwife, is a bad I only
give her a bath once a week when she was
a newborn, and then it was then it turned into
maybe like once every half a week, and now, of
course now that she's four and a half months, it's
every day. But at the start it was really odd.
I mean she was getting stinky, like she was getting
quite smelly. And the midwife said to me, no, this

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is perfect. You want her to have your bacteria and
her bacteria, and you wanted to just like fester a
little grow those little bacterias because then later in life,
research says, well, not get XMA seven away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
Okay, you know what. We started the show talking to
Jonathan Height and frankly, I'm gonna go home and make
my husband listen to it because I need him to
get off the social media when he's around the children.
You know, you know how everybody is. Everybody's husband's like
this is yours like that? They just know. Yeah, they
sit on the phone pretending that they're paying attention and
they're not, and it's just so. But anyway, I started

(01:37:02):
the show talking about that. There was a text that
came through and I think it is and I've been
saving it up since foll twenty three. Heather, Let's be honest.
The problem of social media addiction isn't just for kids.
It's time for a serious conversation about how to help
adults beat the addiction. And Stuart and Wellington is bang on.
If you feel that little how you know if you've
got it is if you feel the urge to open

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your phone for no reason, like if you're like, oh
I should check my phone, that's it. That is the
addiction right there. If you go hmm, oh, let's just
look at my phone, that's it. Stop it that resist resist, Resist, Resist,
in overtime. After a while, you won't care anymore. I
don't care anymore. By the way, Meghan Markle, remember how
I told you she was doing that stupid twerking things

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so lame anyway, This is from somebody who is lame.
Takes one to know one. She's a try hard, isn't
she anyway? So she did that stupid twerking thing with
the pregnancy thing. It's backfired badly because now everybody's got
conspiracy theories because everybody's looked at it and gone, I
have to be honest, some of the movements made that
bally look really weird and people have gone all its
a prosthetics. She wasn't really pregnant at all, and she
had a surrogate, so that didn't go how she wanted.

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She just wanted to be all cute. See look look
at how hot I am a pregnant mam. Look at
how hot I am I can dance. But now everybody's like,
were you actually pregnant?

Speaker 10 (01:38:15):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
So there you go. Maybe don't do lame videos. Andy,
and he's with us because ant's got two boosts last night.
Well he planned that though I know he wasn't being
irresponsible he's drinking responsibly and taking the day off.

Speaker 20 (01:38:27):
Yeah, so fair enough, but us hard work, no answers,
a hard worker actually, hither well done on your radio awards, man, fantastic,
you've got one too, congrats to thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
You've got what did you get?

Speaker 17 (01:38:37):
Sports?

Speaker 20 (01:38:38):
Best Sports Broadcast with Curtesy of Jason Pine. It's pretty
easy to win awards when Jason Pine is the.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
Host of because he's so lovely, isn't he.

Speaker 20 (01:38:45):
One of the great great guys. I really hope he's listening,
but anyway, I know he won't be. It's not the
day for humility anyway either. So I've got all I do.
It was one to lead us out.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
This is the song.

Speaker 20 (01:38:55):
Yeah, it's a dreadful song, but it's well topic.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
Girl for you, Thanks for you, Andy Enjoy, thank you hate,
thank you for listening. I really mean it. We'll see
you on Monday, and I say that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:07):
No gun to do with Please please please, and if
you're going.

Speaker 9 (01:39:13):
In, but.

Speaker 7 (01:39:15):
Make complain

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
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