Full Show Podcast: 06 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Duperic on Drive with One New
Zealand Let's get connected news talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Coming up today, Brook van Balden, the minister who is
stopping all pay equity claims. After five, we're going to
talk to an expert about whether Israel really can take
over all of the Gaza strip like it wants to.
And also and an ai a education expert on where
the handwriting exams is really the only way to go.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Heather duple Cylan, let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
That decision today is stop all those pay equity claims
as ballsy. I mean, you know, ballsy is good. I
think I lean towards thinking this is the right thing
to do. Those pay equity claims have been a bit random.
I don't know if you know how this works, but basically,
if people can prove that they are underpaid because they
work in women dominated jobs, then they can get a
pay rise. And how they prove this is by finding

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men who are doing it similar job and then showing
that there is a difference in pay. But the problem
is it really isn't comparing oranges apples with apples, right,
it's often apples with oranges. For example, librarians. Librarians are
currently trying to get a pay rise by comparing themselves
to traffic engineers. Now, no disrespect whatsoever to librarians, but

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the Dewey decimal system is not that hard. I'm pretty
sure that most of us could learn to do it
and become librarians in about twenty minutes flat. I think
it takes a little bit longer to train up as
an engineer who specializes in designing and planning and constructing
and operating and maintaining a transport system. And the same
goes with the admin health staff who are trying to
compare themselves to mechanical engineers. And the same goes with

(01:41):
the social workers who are trying to compare themselves to
traffic air traffic controllers. You can see the trouble here
right now. From what I understand, what Brook van Belden
has done today is going to save the country billions
of dollars in the budget that we're getting in two
weeks time, apparently, And I'm going to check this out
with the Minister when she's with us after five. But
Apparently this is one of, if not the single biggest

(02:02):
savings in the budget and apparently over four years accounts
for something well and well well higher than ten billion dollars.
That is a significant amount of money and as we know,
the country is financially stuffed. However, someone will pay for this,
and it's going to be the government. They will be
punished for this in political capital in the years to
come because this attack basically rights itself. Heartless government takes

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money from underpaid working women and that is why it
is so ballsy, because the pay equity system is clearly
when you look at the detail, deeply flawed. I mean,
it's a lovely idea, let's pay women more, but the
system that we use to do that is deeply, deeply
flawed and obviously needs this overhaul. But the politics of
it going to be very very rough.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Heather due for.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Nine two is the text under standard text fees Apployer,
you welcomed way in. Now on another subject altogether, the
National Party has revealed that it wants to ban social
media for under sixteen year olds. One of the MP's
took he took emp Catherine wid where it is submitting
a submitting rather a member's bill that will put the
responsibility of age verification on the social media companies, and
this is supported by the Prime Minister. Stephen Sheler is

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the former CEO of Facebook for Australia and New Zealand.
Has Stephen Hi heather good idea to ban the under sixteens.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
I think it's a good idea in principle. I think
the challenge is going to be doing it in practice.
But I do think that evidence shows that younger people
there's harm to them. I think that they need to
be protected from and as we know, we kids kids
younger than thirteen are not allowed on social media. I
know if money find it a way around that, but

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I think there's a good, strong evidence to show that
sixteen is a good age for that sort of level.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
What's the practical problem. Is it difficult for the social
media guys to actually confirm the kids age.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
Well, there's a lot that these platforms can do in
terms of using AI other verification methods to try to
discern what your real age is. However, I think when
you come to these levels where there's sort of penalties
that apply and there's going to be a bigger regime,
you then then start to ask questions, well, okay, well,

(04:11):
how is this going to be verified? Most kids don't
have Many kids don't have ID that you know, that's uh,
that's that has their not like adults who are driver's
license and passports and things. So how they can confirm
their age or not confirm their age? What happens when
that there's a deception? What do the platforms do? What
do the platforms do in terms of storing this data?

(04:31):
Do we really want them to have this data? There's
a there is complexity in making it work. And look,
we've all been teenagers before. You know, you're not supposed
to buy alcohol or buy tobacco, and many kids get
around this, maybe some of us have on the we're
listening today, but with social media it's the same, and
that there's there's lots of ways trying to get around
these these prohibitions. So I think it's it's good in theory,

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but it's always the devil's off in the detail of
how the government proposes to enforce this and what penalties
are proposing to put on the play forms. If it's
not enforced.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Steve and you have kids, say I do, yeah, and
so what are your rules around social media use.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
For good or for bad.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
My kids are probably too young to even quite know
what social media is.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
I want.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
But we've and this has come into a lot of
folks who've worked at the big social media platforms.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
I think.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
I'm not unusual in this that there is a there's
a realization that for all the good that the Internet
and for social media and that AI have done for economy,
the society, for you know, for all kinds of good
benefits that come from these platforms, the challenges are for
certain people, particularly vulnerable folks in our society, such as

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kids or young teens, social media may be simply an
overwhelming technology that their brains simply involved enough to be
able to deal with. And we've done this with tobacco
and with alcohol and other things to try to even
driving a car right. You restrict it to a certain age,
and then we ease people into it, and I think
the time has come with social media. So I'm a

(06:08):
big believer that the thirteen is too young. I think
the limits should be higher. I've seen evidence of success.
Sixteen is about is a good number. Some have advocated
even higher, sort of eighteen twenty. I think there you
get into practical challenges that we treat people as adults
when they turn eighteen. For most of us society, it's
probably gonna be hard to restrict social media past a
certain age. But I think sixteen sounds like a reasonable number.

(06:31):
With my kids, you know, we do in a way.
They're more aware about social media's challenges than I am,
because they come home and tell me, you know, you know,
these are the reasons why we need to control our
social media usage. And I think that's some of the
things that are being taught in school, which I think
is good.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
There's a lot more awareness of.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Their age now about the challenges of some of these platforms,
the good things and the bad things.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Steven, it's really good to talk to you. I really
appreciate your time. Thanks so much, as Steven Sheila, former
Facebook Australia New Zealand CEO Heather How much someone gets
paid isn't just about how difficult the role is. It's
also about how many people are prepared to do that
often unappealing work. It's pretty hard to find aged care workers,
for example, and while on the face of it is
a simple work, it's actually complex and very hard. Fourteen

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Speaker 1 (07:21):
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Speaker 2 (07:27):
Be seventeen past four and Darcy water Grave SportsTalk hoasters
with me right now.

Speaker 6 (07:31):
Hey, Dars, isn't it lovely coming into the studio when
the host says to.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
You, it's lovely to see your face?

Speaker 6 (07:35):
Darcy?

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Hell?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Are you kind? Also? I was going to say the
color combo that you've got going on, well matched your
hat to your T shirt and that's an effort.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
And then you see you notice these Amax nineties are
also like a paler green with yellow and that match socks.
If you've got cameras in here, check this out. Oh
lord in the underwear matching Calvin clients, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Has and these matches had in his d shirt.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
Yeah, and it's clit.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
She's honestly, you're going to get a BSA about that
from me. You say, I went and bought a pair
of Amax nineties. Isn't that a lovely retro kick to
cut to be fine? And you can we talk about
now Shane Richardson, who's passed away. I understand from people
who understand motorcycling and stuff like that. He's a really

(08:26):
big deal in this particular field.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
He was running at the next level down the Supersport Championship.

Speaker 7 (08:34):
Just the supports to the.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
British Superbike Series. So hard for obviously the friends and
the family, the young kids, the wife. You can't what
do you say?

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Because he's young. Isn't he about twenty seven? Twenty nine hours.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
Shire, I believe he's twenty.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Nine, two kids.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
It's tough, it's and I'll keep saying this. I said
this so many times before. When you see a big
X and a motorsport the mount of people at the
go yeah, check that out and I just get the
sinking feeling of my stomach.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Was it an eleven pile up?

Speaker 8 (09:05):
Ye?

Speaker 9 (09:06):
What happened?

Speaker 6 (09:08):
A rider lost control after the first right hand. It
was the third race of the weekend and just and
that was just a domino effect after that, so ten
other riders hit and yeah, unfortunately it's I mean unfortunately,
it's not the right words. This is tragic. He's lost

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his life. And you don't lose your life when you
go to play a game. But this is the thing
about motorsport is the ultimate sacrifice is not even in
your control. It can be moments away someone else made
the wrong call, someone else made that right and also inches.
There's a Scott Dixon documentary which is fascinating, and that's

(09:52):
when he had a massive crash in Indianapolis and the
car hit the pit wall and it missed his cockpit
by probably about a meter and that was it. Emma
Davis Dixon, his wife, said, I saw that and I thought, oh,
it's my turn.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
I e it's my.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
Turn to be a widow. That out of that whole film,
that's what I walked away with.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
The most stunned.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
So so I imagine for the people who love these
guys who do and it's generally guys who do this
kind of racing, the day that they retire as a
very happy day for everybody, for the family, for the
people who love them.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
Now, the thing is, this is the sport that they love.
The adrenaline, the speed, everything it's integral to. This sport
can also result in the ultimate sacrifice.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Totally listen. I'm speaking of hurting yourself. And what does
it surprise anybody at all that rugby is the sport
that generates the most A sec claims.

Speaker 6 (10:47):
Probably not that'll expect quite a few people jogging would
probably do themselves injuries, wouldn't they Because.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Once ran and fell over and broke his finger while
jogging while jogging.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
Well, that's a lot of people doing ankles and doing
this now. But according to the ACC back in twenty
twenty four, one hundred and forty eight million dollars of
public money yeares for ACC for rugby players.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I think we should stop rugby. What do you think?

Speaker 6 (11:16):
No, no, it's just maybe pau Bill.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Just ban rugby banners.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
Well no, no, carry on doing it. But we're so
lucky in this country. We have a system that if
you break yourself, if you don't have an R like
the addres, you leaned up under the care of because.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
We're banning ciggies because we don't want to pay for
those people's healthcare. So remember, you should ban the rugger.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
What means you ban everything? You ban getting out of
bed in the morning, ban the running. You cannot move,
it doesn't matter what. Don't you diet, you your breathing.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Don't do it cost us money? Thank you do?

Speaker 6 (11:47):
And you know I did actually have an R the
other day. Did you have a big like chainsaw and
a pole? And I was chopping some bushes down that
I can't reach that one. I'll just climb up, have
an r and who does the bush? Is there? Nobody?
Oh no, I'm looking up at this thing. It's annoying
the Bejesus out of me. But the thing is I'm
not with a chainsaw lodged in me at the bottom

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of the tree. Game that acc That campaign worked because.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I had Darcy. Thank you very much, appreciated Darcy water Grave,
sports talk host back at seven this evening, four twenty.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Two, moving the big stories of the day forward. Aw,
it's hither, dupers and drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
That'd be good afternoon.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
Hither.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
If a male librarian gets paid the same as a
female librarian, then that's pay equity. However, if she wants
to be paid the same as an air traffic controller,
she should go and do the training and get a
job as an air traffic controller. Chris, I tend to
agree with you on that one, because Nick Minuett, we're
going to be doing the old nurses saying, now orthopedic
surgeons are paid more than asked me to be paying
the same. You know, we're speaking of the nurses were

(12:52):
are going to speak to the nurses organization after six
o'clock to get there. I don't know who they are
comparing themselves to. You, Laura, do you know who the
nurses are comparing themselves to. No, anyway, we'll ask We'll
ask them who they're comparing themselves to when they're with
us after six, because that should be an interesting exercise. Also,
by the way, the hacker. There was a faint hope
that we might get a decision from the Privileges Commission

(13:13):
to committee today about the Marimps doing the Haucker, but
that decision has been postponed. I don't know for how long,
and we'll find out from Jason Walls when he's with
us out of Parliament and about let's say twenty minutes
time or thereabouts. It's twenty five past four at the moment. Now.
If you were listening last night to Nicola on the
show Nichola's with Us every Monday at six o'clock, you

(13:34):
might have been left with the impression that Nicola doesn't
do the naughty thing that Erica was doing with the
emails and the gmails. Nicola, do you send any of
your person your emails to your Gmail account by any chance.

Speaker 10 (13:45):
Look, I don't think so. To be honest, I don't
send many emails at all. I've got an incredible team
of people who do that for me. My tend to
send the odd text or WhatsApp message and that's about it.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Nicholas, I had to think about it. Turns out Nicholas
been doing what Eric has been doing. Also Chris Bishop's
been doing what Eric has been doing. How many of
them have been doing what Eric has been doing? What
so both of all three of them, all three, there's
a pattern. All three of them have had to do
it because printing issues. Because remember that's why Erica was
doing it, because she couldn't use the printer in the
Electorate office because it wasn't hooked up to the Parliamentary network.

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And Bishop said he's done the same thing because he
also needed to use a printer. And Nicola. Nicola has
said to us she wasn't fibbing to us, and I
believe her. Actually she wasn't fibbing to us. She just
forgot that. She went back and had a look and
there was one email and apparently she sent draft speech
notes from her ministerial account to her personal account because
she was in a hotel room and she needed to
print it. And today she remembered and you know what,

(14:39):
I still don't care about this. Do you care about this?
I mean, technically it's not good and blah blah blah
and whatever. And apparently One News has got another expos
i on it tonight, and the guys, it's actually a
labor oia A labour's done the Official Information Act request.
Labor got the information, handed some of it to aren
Zed Radio in New Zealand, handed some of it to
TV and Z. Labor's been going around saying whoo, there's

(15:02):
more to care. So I'm going to reserve my judgment.
We'll see what more there is to come tonight. But
that's far. I'm just not all that stressed out because
it's just a theoretical problem, right, It's not that I mean,
it's not like Nicola and Erica and Chris Bishop were
not organizing a war on their personal accounts. So anyway,

(15:22):
we'll see how that goes. We'll talk about it tomorrow.
I'm sure headline's next.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Last Night no elas Night.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's
hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand, let's get
connected news talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
I don't know if you've caught up on it, but oh,
the students are not happy. The Victoria University students are
not happy in space secifically the students who are studying law, specifically,
specifically the students who are third year law, and specifically
of those students, the ones who are doing ethics and
the law and the ones who are doing equity trusts
in succession. And they're not very happy because they have
just been told that next month, which isn't very far away,

(16:16):
they are going to be handwriting their exams. They all
thought they're going to be, you know, on the old computer.
They thought that'll be No, they've just been told they'll
be doing the handwriting because unfortunately Victoria University and basically
no one has the technology to be able to detect
the old DAYI and the cheating and stuff like that.
The problem is, as you can imagine, and this is

(16:37):
a real life, real world, first world problem, not many
people nowadays can say that they actually have the hand
stamina to write for three hours. Don't laugh at that,
because if you remember when you're at university or at school,
you did need hand stamina. You know that little muscle
if you put your fore finger up to your thumb

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and you is hard and you make the kind of
tear drop shapes. You know what I mean? That little muscle,
that bulge is right there at the base of your thumb.
You got a big one of those when you're do
you remember that I got a real chunky one of
those when I was at school. Because handwriting so much nowadays,
I don't know if I could do forty minutes or
the pen So anyway, I do feel bad for them.
Many of them will never have written a three hour exam,
or if they have, it will be hours, like weeks, years, months, months, years,

(17:23):
ages ago since they did it. They're not going to
have the muscle for it. Anyway. On a serious note,
I mean, are we ever going to get the technology
to be able to crack down on this. We're going
to talk to an AI expert who actually focuses on
the education stuff in about an hour's time. It's twenty
three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
It's the world wires on youth talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nana who has promised a renewed
defensive against Gaza Now He says, the israel Defense forces
are going to occupy parts of the Gaza Strip and
then relocate the entire civilian population there to the south
of the enclave. A Middle East expert from the University
of Singapore says some parties in the Israeli government want
to occupy the Jaza Strip for ideological reasons.

Speaker 11 (18:02):
You have far right members in this government will still
remember two thousand and five when Israel decided to remove
Israeli military and settlements from the Gaza st For them,
it's actually a return now over.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
In Australia, Liberal senator says the party was let down
by its polsters and strategists. The coalition performed much worse
than anyone had predicted in the weekend's election. Here's Tasmania
Senator Jonathan dunneham.

Speaker 12 (18:30):
We had bad polsters giving us bad numbers, way off
the mark, totally out of line with all of the
published polling. Our own polling here in Tasmania pointed to
the wipeout we ultimately got. So we were let down
by polsters and strategists, which frankly gave us a bum
steer of the worst order.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
And finally some bad news for Donald Trump and his
plan to reopen Alcatraz Prison of Fox News at legal
analyst says, the islander is federal land, so the government
is allowed to build on it, but there's still a
couple of potential roadblocks.

Speaker 13 (18:59):
But it'd have to be rebuilt almost entirely, and so
outdated and crumbling. And here's the important part. It has
landmarks status, so there would be an avalanche of lawsuits
that would probably tie it up for years.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
You know, don't forget.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
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Speaker 2 (19:21):
Marie Old's Australia Correspondents with us.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Heyms, good to you.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Who is going to succeed, doesn't well.

Speaker 14 (19:29):
It's a good question who on earth would want the job?
I mean, here's some facts and figures where I heard
Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister this morning. The coalition right,
the Conservatives of a year, they've got seven out of
eighty eight metropolitan seats. They've got four left in Sydney,
two or three in Melbourne and Brisbane, not an adelaide
in Perth, not one seat in all of Tasmania. That's

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a scale of this disaster. It's a smoking ruin and
it's never been this bad since Mensis Sir Robert Menzie
set this party up just after the Second World War.
Albanize is the first prime minister to win a second
term in twenty one years increased majority. There's still about
a dozen seats that are being counted. But as we
go to wear this afternoon, we've got it.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
Looks a bit like this.

Speaker 14 (20:14):
Eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven seats to Labor, fewer
than forty seats for the Liberals in the National Party.
And you say, who's going to lead it? As I said,
who the hell wants it? The youngest man perhaps the
generational change they should look at in Perth Andrew Hasty.
He is the shadow Foreign Minister. He's served tours of
duty in Afghanistan and Iraq. He says, your kidding, I

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don't want it. So we've got one woman, Susan Lee,
who was Peter Dutton's deputy don't forget Dutton lost, And
you've got Dan teen, long serving veteran. And you've got
Angus Taylor, who many people over here, a lot of
the inside of the Liberal Party too, are saying he's
the guy single handedly crueled the charts of the Liberal Party.
This guy is a Rhodes scholar, but I swear to

(20:56):
God here it's as though he's been doing push ups
under a park car. Just sounds like a dummy. And
whenever he was asked about any economic policies at all,
he had nothing to say. In fact, he and Dutton
with about you know, they put them up almost exclusively.
He had nothing to say in order Peter Dutton, and
you look at who voted for whom. You've got all

(21:17):
the women, all the young voters, all the migrants. They
went labor big time. I mean, who's voting for Dutton.
It's a small it's a tied to the right wing
rump of wealthy sixty seventy eighty year olds, and they're diminishing,
dropping off the twig and all the ansters are coming through.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, I take your point. It's not a bad one.
Do you see what the West pap boss has said
that the cost of living crisis is behind us?

Speaker 14 (21:42):
Well, yeah, I mean he had some pretty good figures
he took over. His name is where his name? I've
got it here. Anthony Miller, thank you very much. I
knew I had no margin. He took over December first,
first six months three point three billion dollars profit, so
he started in the right note.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
The market didn't like it that much, want more.

Speaker 14 (22:01):
But indeed, mister Miller has said listen, Labour's re election
is not only good for the government, but it provides
consistency and certainty for Australia both domestically and abroad. And
he says the government must use its mandate. That's a
huge mandate, heathern As you can appreciate a huge mandate.
And what Miller is saying now from Westpac, the government's

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got to use this wisely. He says, Labor's got the
chance to drive the economy by, for example, by boosting productivity.
That's one big handbreak over here. That's a national challenge.
It's got to seek ways as well, he says, to
reduce our reliance on China by far best country's biggest
trading partner. And he says, listen, there's going to be
an interest rate cup they think at a fortnite when
the Reserve Bank meets. That's going to also, you know,

(22:45):
contribute to the feeling of optimism over here, but a
lot of other people, apart from mister Miller, are saying listen,
be ambitious. In the second term. You need tax reform,
significant tax reform. The GST on you know, the tax
everyone pays on everything isn't cut. It's not raising enough money.
You have to broaden that base, maybe reduce personal income
taxes a bit, but you have to look at structural reform.

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Housing is the single biggest issue over here, biting everyone
on the backside. Young people can't get into the market
head there and they're screaming. They want some belief. They
want someone to say this is the way forward. They
certainly didn't think complete Dutton had it.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's for sure.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's for sure. That's what the older outcome would suggest.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
Mars.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
It's good to talk to you. Thank you so much
as always, Murray Old's Australia correspondent Heather Handwriting legibility is
going to be a big problem for the exams as well,
which is a fair point actually, isn't it. Because if
you're not very good at the old handwriting, if you
haven't been practicing at all, which is what these kids
haven't been doing, can you imagine it's just going to
be like looking at doctor's notes, but for three hours.
This and the met Gala is happening today. This is

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a big one for the fashionistas and people who like
looking at pictures of celebrities on their computers. Stunning outfits, obviously,
none of which will ever be worn again, or which
you would ever like. If somebody walk down the street
in one of those outfits, you'd probably call them mental
health police, do you know what I mean? Because it's
pretty wacky stuff that they're wearing. Anyway, the news out

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of there's always something that happens at the Met Gala.
The news is that Rihanna is pregnant again for the
third time to Asap Rocky and honestly she's carrying them all,
which is you know that is that's an achievement. In
modern celebrities, they like to pay other people to have
their babies. I want to stretch everything, you know what
I mean? But not Rihanna. She's like, nap, those are
my babies in my belly. Lord was there as well.

(24:29):
She was looking.

Speaker 14 (24:30):
I'd give her a.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I felt that the color washed her out. It was
sort of like a like a like a crap turquoise,
but like a like a really like turquoise that had
been kind of washed through with gray. It wasn't a
great color for her anyway. She was there because she's
got publicity for the upcoming album. That's what that is.
That's a little bit of getting a bit of attention
and white lotus. All the stars with their Patrick Swats
and Nagar and the one with the teeth and the

(24:54):
one with the teeth's boyfriend with the great greasy hair.
Now here's the thing, I guess. So I went down
a rabbit hole today looking at this. Did you know,
because I didn't know this, did you know that the
one with the teeth apparently has had a falling out
with the greasy haired boyfriend In real life, they're not
really boyfriend and girlfriend, obviously, they're actors, but they seem
to have had a falling out because he gave an
interview yesterday and somebody was asking him about her Amy

(25:15):
lou Wood or whatever her name is, and he shut
the interview down like he just got really pissy about
it and then stormed off. And then everybody realized that
unfollowed each other on the socials, which means they're having
some sort of a row. She tried to kind of
cover it up today and be decent about it, because
like her character, I think that she in real life
is also a decent person. But anyway, there's the drama there.
And also, did you know I thought that that hair

(25:36):
was just for the show because Ho would look in
the mirror and be like, hmm, looking good today. No,
that's his real life hair. Oh hideous.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
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Speaker 2 (25:49):
Certainty twelve away from five and Jason Wool's our political
editors with us Now, Hey.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Jason, afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
No decision on the Privileges Committee and the Hukka.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
No, not yet.

Speaker 15 (25:59):
We were told by committee Chair Judith Collins just moments ago,
or right about half an hour ago, that the committee's
decision has been delayed till eight thirty pm tomorrow. In fact,
that's when they're going to be meeting. So it's likely
going to be a lot after eight thirty tomorrow. A
lot of this is because you know, the House ran
a little bit long today, so the meeting was pushed back.
But just moments before the Privileges Committee was supposed to

(26:22):
meet TI Party Marty, who the Privileges Committee is meeting
about about the hakka in the House during the first
reading of the Treatise Principles Bill, TI Party Marty actually
leaked a recommendation from the Privileges Committee about what some
of the things that they're considering in terms of the punishment.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Is that what the poll is that they're running on
the Facebook page, So.

Speaker 15 (26:42):
They're doing it a bit tongue in cheek to say,
I wonder what it's going to be. So basically the
options are so the MP's before the committee are Hannah
Rapt the Mighty Clock and it says that her punishment
that the committee is looking into severely censuring her by
the House or suspending her from the House for seven days.
When it comes to Debbie Nadi Warepacker, the options are

(27:02):
the same, but the suspension for seven, fourteen or twenty
one days. And it's the same for Arawi y Tity.
So you're not allowed to do you know, you're not
allowed to do this. The Privileges Committee is like Vegas.
What happens in Privileges Committee stays in Privileges Committee.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
So they're not happy that this has been leaked.

Speaker 15 (27:20):
My colleague Azaria Howe spoke to Judith Collins before she
went in and specifically asked her about what Tea Party
Marty had posted.

Speaker 16 (27:27):
This is not something we've seen before.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I have just seen a copy of that through.

Speaker 15 (27:32):
To the Privileges Committee somebody else that was there that
was not happy, as one Winston Raymond Peters.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (27:37):
Just shows a contempt for parliamentary process, That's what that shows.

Speaker 15 (27:40):
So I think that if they were kind of on
the fence as to the suspension between seven and fourteen
or twenty one days before, I think this has really
helped push them over the edge a little bit.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
So hopefully we'll get something tomorrow.

Speaker 15 (27:52):
And you'll remember, Heather, Tomorrow was supposed to be the
day that Tea Party Marty had its own sort of
Privileges Committee adjacent hearing, which is it has no legal
binding and it doesn't supersede what the Privileges Committee is
supposed to do. I've heard nothing about it. I've been
trying to get in contact with Tea Party Marty all
day to get some information on that one, but so
far not a sausage.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
So we'll see what happens tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
It's also to me, though, why is why would Debby
and the Raweri be suspended for face it? Why are
they facing a harsher punishment than Hannah.

Speaker 15 (28:20):
Oh, I think it would be the preceding And this
is I'm just speculating. And again I mean me even
commenting on this leak is it could be seen as
a breach of privilege here.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
So this is just my actual punishment.

Speaker 15 (28:32):
And well clearly not, but essentially because of all the
subsequent breaches to their Privileges Committee.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
I mean, this isn't the first time that they've done
something that they're.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Not supposed to. So is it that that Hannah's getting
in trouble for the hacker? But they're getting in trouble
for the hacker and just their history.

Speaker 15 (28:47):
That's what That's what I would think. And technically they're
not in trouble for the Hakker. They're in trouble for
standing on the House floor and approaching David Seymour. But
there's a lot that we have to infer because Privileges
Committee are so secret, secret, in hush.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Hush, Jesus, people are getting themselves tied up in knots
of this pay equity thing, aren't they.

Speaker 15 (29:03):
Yeah, I mean it's something that you would imagine that
the government would come under enormous scrutiny for the unions
were out in force today as with the opposition. Have
a listened to what Chris Hopkins had to say in
the House today.

Speaker 12 (29:14):
Why should women across New Zealand be the sacrificial lambs
in this year's budget being told they have to accept
lower pay for the same value work compared to their
male counterparts.

Speaker 15 (29:23):
And Carmel Sapaloni, his deputy, was also quite fired up
in the House.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I don't think anyone should be mistaken.

Speaker 17 (29:29):
This is a war on women, Madam Speaker.

Speaker 15 (29:33):
So essentially this is Brook van Velden announcing a major
overhaul of the pay equity regime once the legislation has passed,
and it's happening in the House right now under urgency.
It will make it tougher for people to take pay
equity claims that are twenty twenty regime allowed in sectors
with large female workforces to argue that they were underpaid
relative to similar work done in sectors dominated by men.

(29:55):
Now here's luxon explaining why the government's doing this.

Speaker 18 (29:58):
Well, what we're doing here is making sure that we
actually have a process that's more robust, workable and sustainable.
We're making sure the the Act and the practice has
moved away from what it was intended to deal with
sex based discrimination and to a much broader set of
issues around labor market conditions and other things.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
So essentially it's not fit for purpose.

Speaker 15 (30:18):
And listen, you could tell that the government was really
worried about this one today because Luxon actually fronted up
to what we call the bridge run on Tuesday, which
is we grab the ministers before they go into the house.
He doesn't usually come to that one, but he came
today just to answer some questions. It was very helpful
of them. And meanwhile, Nicola Willis, Judith Collins, Louise Upston,
and Nicola Gregg along with Ericus Stamfit all turned up

(30:41):
together in as sort of a joint press conference to
see why it was that they were supporting this bill.
So they're very much feeling the pressure on this hold
out all the ladies.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Hey, thank you for that. Appreciated Jason. That's Jason Woll's,
our political editor. Thank you. Somebody's pointed out what Lord
was wearing at the met gala was supposed to look
like duct tape, So if you know what the gray
duct tape looks like, then you know, just imagine that,
just roll like tape tape tape tape tape of great
gray duct tape. Lord's Outfit seven away from five.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Putting the tough question to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
Sir John Key, as well as do we know where
the puck is going?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
When we've got a bloke in America who's changing the
rules literally on a daily basis.

Speaker 19 (31:22):
To describe as unpredictable would be an understatement. But he's
put on these massive tarifs and what did they get?
An enormous vomits from the stock market. But here's the
best predictor, I think the market, and that is the
markets themselves. They are not buying that he's leaving massive
tariffs on. When you put them on, they get a
chillbrall reaction. That's not been the situation for the last

(31:44):
twelve days. So at least people are pretty smart and
they've worked out that he's going to negotiate some solution.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Back tomorrow at six am, The Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the rain Drove of Alarm Newstalk.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
ZB four away from five. Here, how strange it is
that the Labor Party doesn't know what a woman is
when it comes to pay, or does know what a
woman is when it comes to pay, but when it
comes to sport they have no idea the chip you
can't even define what a woman is. So his grand
standing today was rather ironic. It is this is a
fair point. This is a fair point in one that
is noted. Oh, we're very happy about We're very happy

(32:15):
to not define women until it suits us to define
women and try to get them pay claims because we're
tied up to the unions. Okay, this is not going
to be a popular opinion, but I am finding the
Malori Party quite amusing at the moment. That is quite
funny what they're doing. I mean, base, it is funny.
Don't you think it is funny that they It is

(32:36):
quite funny. They have got themselves the list of what
punishments they're going to get, and they've put it up
on Facebook page and they're taking a they're basically getting
you to guess which punishment's coming their way via a poll.
That is quite funny. Basically, what they're doing is making
a mockery of Parliament's rules. Right, there's no point in
having rules unless you're going to enforce those rules, and

(32:56):
Parliament really cannot enforce any of its dumb rules. Expects
people to be decent, to behave like good people, and
you know it's obviously they're not good people at the
Marty Party, they're just clowns. But sometimes watching clowns act
up is quite funny, isn't it, Like I say, not
popular Brook van Valden.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
Next to your home wor.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story? Gooring,
it's hither dupasy on drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 9 (33:32):
That'd be afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
The government is halting all pay equity claims. It's overhauling
the system and so all thirty three current claims will
be stopped and we'll have to reapply under these new rules.
Now this has sparked significant criticism from unions and opposition parties.
Today Brook van Velden is the Workplace Relations Minister and
with us Now, Hey Brook, hello Heather, what's brought this on?

Speaker 8 (33:54):
Well, when I first entered into government, I made it
really clear to the Prime Minister and to my colleagues
that I wanted to potentially see some changes to the
Equal Pay Act to make the equity system more robust
and more workable and sustainable. Became clear to me at
the end of last year that there was appetite within

(34:14):
my cabinet to do this, and you know, I think
it's pretty clear that there was impetus, and so that's
what's making the change.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
How many of the thirty three that are currently underway
will qualify do you think to reapply under the new rules.

Speaker 8 (34:30):
It's really hard to say. Everyone would have to bring
a claim based on the merits of their arguments under
the new thresholds, and so I can't speak for if
all of them would be successful or whether or not
they would have merit. But that's what is designed by
this new system, is that they would have to prove
that there's seventy percent of the workforce female, that's been

(34:51):
female dominated for ten years and been historically dominated, and
that they can find comparators either within that same workforce
or than the same sector that has a male dominated profession.
So they have been discriminated against, so will you comparison
to them?

Speaker 2 (35:08):
So it has to be within the same sector. This
will stop the librarians, for example, comparing themselves to transport engineers.

Speaker 8 (35:15):
That's exactly right. You know, we've seen some claims where
you've got adminent clerical staff comparing themselves to mechanical engineers,
and social workers comparing themselves to air traffic controllers. And
I'm bringing a little bit more reality back to what
we're seeing under pay equity that we want to look
at genuine gender based discrimination, and that means starting at home,

(35:36):
looking at with you within your own workforce, and if
you can't find that within your own company, looking at
similar companies, and then looking within the industry. But we
shouldn't be fishing for gender based discrimination.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
How much are you saving as a result of this?

Speaker 8 (35:51):
Oh? Look, I can't get into specific numbers, but.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
I've heard that you are saving more than ten billion
dollars over four years. Is that wrong?

Speaker 8 (36:02):
What I can say is that there will be billions
of dollars of savings, because if.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
You're not denying it, if you're not denying that it's
ten billion dollars over four years, I'm going to assume
it's ten more than ten billion dollars over four years.

Speaker 14 (36:13):
You know that?

Speaker 8 (36:14):
Ah, I do know you hear there, But look, I
don't have the ability to say what the specific budget
figures are. What is it that there is significant?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Is it the biggest the single biggest saving in budget
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
Look, I can't confirm that either, but I can tell
you that there will be savings in the magnitude of
billions and that there will be a significant reduction in
the cost of the crown. But I also do want
to make it clear that it's not my overriding reason
for doing this. I genuinely believe that there have been
errors in our pay equity system that need resolving, tightening

(36:52):
those comparators, making sure that we're focusing on genuine gender
based discrimination, not things like changes to inflation and changes
to labor market forces between industries. This is about discrimination
between men and women, and I do support us resolve
in that issue.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
If this isn't being done for the budget, why are
you doing it under urgency today? Like if you actually
genuinely had believed it, and I don't doubt that you did,
But why haven't you done it previous previously or you know,
after the budget.

Speaker 8 (37:21):
Oh, there's a couple of reasons. It was clear that
you know, I had support at this particular juncture in
time from across cabinet to get my work done. That's
also true. But there's also the case that I didn't
want to have two different systems running exactly at the
same time, which is why we're stopping the current claims
and saying you can start again under the new thresholds.

(37:44):
I did believe it would be messy to have some
continue under old thresholds and new ones continuing under the
new thresholds. So that's why we're doing it as quickly
as we can.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
All right, Brook, thanks very much, really appreciated, Brook van
Valden workplace Relations minister. So heard it was more than
ten billion dollars over four years. Heard it was the
single biggest saving in the budget. She didn't disabuse us
of that. So I guess we're just going to believe
that until somebody does twelve past five.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Hell du see Allen.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
If somebody needs to, because it might well be true. Now,
the Israeli government has announced quite a significant escalation and
its plans for Gaza. It has announced it plans to
reoccupy the Gaza Strip, relocate the population there to the south,
and then destroy all of Hamas's infrastructure, both above and
below ground. Now doctor Leon Goldsmith is a Middle East
expert at Otago University and with US now Haley.

Speaker 20 (38:30):
On Good Morning, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
What kind of a place is Gars are going to
be after they do this.

Speaker 20 (38:38):
It's already pretty apocalyptic catastrophe, so yes, it's only going
to get worse. I was talked to my Palestinian friend
in Doha the other day and there's just nothing left
of Gaza City where he's from. So in terms of
the destruction, this is not a good sign. But I
think that what's happening here is there's really three things

(38:58):
that the Israeli's haven in their mind here. As one
as to mop up the remainder of the resistance access
in terms of a security outlock, I think that there
was a missile that got through and nearly hit Benarian
Airport two days ago, so they still see a major
threat to their security. So this is one of the

(39:19):
first things that they're trying to do. And the other
thing is obviously the hostages that they see that this
is some kind of a plan to try and separate
her mass from the popitage population and hopefully try and
squeeze them to release the loughs. But you know, seventy
percent of his Israelis. This is the major consideration the hostages.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
So this is this.

Speaker 20 (39:45):
Betrayal hostages because they don't think that this is going
to lead to their safe release.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
So yeah, Leon, do you think that, I mean, is
anybody going to move back once they actually destroy the infrastructure,
which presumably is going to destroy everything around it, Is
anybody gonna want to move back?

Speaker 20 (40:04):
Well? I don't know. It's really it's incredible the resilient
people there after, you know, the opportunity to go back
north occurred, did actually go back and troll their properties
and their livelihoods. But you know that, I don't think
the Israelis if they put this plan in place, and

(40:24):
there's no guarantee that they will because they're waiting to
get the green light from Trump when he arrives here
in the region in a few days. But I think
that if they put this plan in place, they will
not allow Palestinian's freedom of movement back towards the North.
I think basically they've corral them what to do from there.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, okay, lee on, we'll have to leave at their
phone lines, Dodgy. I really appreciate it. Doctor Leon Goldsmith,
University of Otago Department of Politics. By the way, speaking
to us from Anchor, hence the dodgy Lineen Thomas Mashie
will have heard this in the news. The com miss
Commission has just filed criminal charges just broken in the
last few minutes, maybe like twenty minutes or so, filed
criminal charges against Woolworth's New Zealand for alleged inaccurate prices

(41:09):
and misleading specials. Now, apparently this has got to do
with the in store ticketing. So that's you know, I'm
assuming that those that you know, when you go up
to the shelf and you've got the underneath calogs it
says calogs twelve dollars or whatever. It's that little electronic
ticketing thing that changes. There seem to be problems with that.
This is not the first time that the Commerce Commission

(41:29):
has done this. They laid charges just a couple of
months ago against pack and Save Silverdale and Pack and
Saved Mill Streets, so two of the Pack and Saved stores.
Maximum penalty here is a fine of six hundred thousand dollars.
So it's a fair amount of money, but probably, you know,
not not a huge amount if you're running a super
profitable supermarket chain. I would have thought quarter past. Hey,
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duplus Allen heather Off. Librarians feel that they should be
paid like someone in another industry than they should go
and do their job in the other industry. Pay equity
should only about men, be about men and women doing

(42:54):
the same job. Everything else is just a crop. Thank you, Dave,
nineteen past five. Now it turns out that both Nikolaules
and christ Bishop have also been doing the same thing
as Erica Stanford and using their personal email accounts for
the government communications they're not supposed to. Obviously, it's a
breach of the Cabinet manual. Nadia Yousef is a data
security expert with the SISO Lens and with US. Now, Hey, Nadia, Hi,

(43:17):
how are you. I'm very well, thank you. How unsafe
is this? How much is the stressing you out?

Speaker 14 (43:22):
Well?

Speaker 21 (43:22):
This is I think this is really interesting and we
saw a lot of talk about this obviously in Hillary
Clinton's campaign as well. You know, there's a lot of
talk about Gmail, and I think what's really important to
address is that web mail providers like Gmail and Outlook
aren't actually insecure services if you use them with a
strong and unique password and multi factor authentication. It's just
not the best mechanism for you know, government information to

(43:47):
be cheared through.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
I thought that they didn't have end to end encryption
and that that was material to this whole thing.

Speaker 21 (43:54):
What happens in the back end is you know a
little bit a little bit different for everything. But the
really important the reason that these organizations have IT teams
that provide you know, their own internal networks and things
like that, is so that they can keep control of
these documents and they can understand who's accessing them. They
can make sure that all users have good, strong passwords

(44:15):
and multi factor set up as well. So you know,
organizations like this have control over these kinds of documents
and an audit trail when they're kept on their own system,
which is why they don't all use their personal email.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
I see now, Nadia. So for me, as just a
punter out there, I thought that WhatsApp was the most
secure and if you were going to send you know,
dodgy texts at dodgy messages, you wanted to use the
WhatsApp and not the Gmail. Have I been completely misled
this whole time?

Speaker 21 (44:42):
I would say that they're all third party provided services,
and we've seen over the last few years that you know,
lots of different services have been compromised at lots of
different times. So I would say nothing is infallible and
once it's being sent over the internet, it should be
considered that way. And saying that long str and unique passwords,
and it's something we talk about all the time and
everyone's absolutely sick of hearing it. But they are the

(45:05):
silver bullet with multi factor, that's the thing that will
keep you most secure of anything.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Nadia, thank you very much. Nadia Usef Siso, Len's country
manager and data security expert. Hang on to Heather, wasn't
Nikola Willis on the record last night on your show
saying she doesn't really send emails. Yes, she was, Chris,
but we've already talked about that. She has gone back
and realized she did send one email, just the one
from the work account to the private account in order
to print it in the hotel room. That's that's what

(45:33):
happens there.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Five twenty two Informed Inside into Today's issues. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Talks that'd be wow, national and Coheather are truly out
of touch on the parity issue. How petty? Thank you? Well,
I don't know. I'm loving it. I can see all
the logic here. Still, you can still do the pay
equity if you want to. You just can't compare yourself
if you're a librarian with a traffic engineer, which seems
to me like that's log Those are not even similar

(46:07):
jobs at all. It's a logical thing for Brooke to
do this. I would have thought five to twenty five. Listen,
I'm sorry to do this though, I've got a call
BS on National. I have got a call BS on
National pretending that it wants to do something about banning
the kids from the social media. I'm sorry to do
this because I read that, I saw that they were
submitting legislation this morning. I got really excited because I
don't like the social media and I don't like under

(46:29):
sixteens being on it, and I think it scrambles their brains.
And I thought, finally the National Party is going to
do so No, no, not, Actually they're not doing anything
at all. What they're doing is they're submitting an apparently
poorly drafted members bill. Now the significance of this is
that a member's bill goes into the parliamentary biscuit tin
and it sits there doing nothing until it's pulled out randomly,
and a ballot like that can take years for that

(46:51):
to happen. Now, it doesn't have to be like this
because the National Party is the lead party in government,
so it can do a government bill like it's doing
right now with a pay equity a government bill, right,
you can do it. You can get it past on
the day if you want to. The problem with that,
obviously is ACT is not going to support it. But
ACT is not going to support it because it's badly written,
and possibly it's badly written because no one's put in
much of an effort because it's not actually supposed to

(47:12):
become law, is it. It's just supposed to look like
they're making an effort. So if you're just pretending that
you don't have to put in that much work. ACT
doesn't have to be the death of this idea, though,
because if National really wanted to do this, they could
simply look for cross party support. And that's not unusual
and it is not rare in Parliament, happens all the time.
In fact, they don't need anyone other than Labor to

(47:33):
support this and it would become law, and Labor is
open to the idea. Chris Hipkins said that today, said yeah,
I'm open to it because Labor also, like National, is
wanting the votes of parents like myself who want to
see the kids come off the social media. So good
on National for saying that they want to do something
about this, But they're going to get no credit from
me on this until they actually do something about this.
And popping something into the biscuitin to be forgotten about

(47:56):
for years is not I'm sorry doing anything about this ever.
Do the sallenge such bad news. The cops have dropped
the charges against those three climate protesters from Restore Passenger
Rail who were facing the retrial in Wellington. Now you'll
remember this. They did the protest where they glued their
hands to the ground and climbed the gantries and just

(48:18):
did all kinds of like clownish behavior, right, and they'd
they'd been charged with endangering transport in the first trial.
The jury found one defendant not guilty, and then they
couldn't reach a verdict for three other ones, and then
they were going to do the old retrial but today
the police said the charges have been dropped, and the
police put out a statement saying police are disappointed. Not
as disappointed as me. Let me tell you this. I

(48:42):
wanted to see them charged and chucked in the slammer
for a really long time. Anyway, Police are disappointed, they say,
they said the challenge for the police in this particular
case was that there was insufficient evidence of the danger
that resulted from the protesters behavior. To be clear, that
does not mean that the danger didn't exist, just that
we were unable to demonstrate it to the level required
under the legislation. Well, next time, because there will be

(49:06):
a next time. There will be a next time with
his hand gluers and let's hope we can get them
in the slammer. Then headlines next, and then we're going
to talk to an AI expert about how to get
around it without handwriting.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talk sa'd be.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Do the nurses compare themselves to That's a very good question, actually,
And we're going to talk to the nurses and this
isn't the pay equity stuff. We're talking to the nurses
after six o'clock, So that is the question I'm going
to be asking the huddle standing by at the moment.
By the way, if you were listening to Nicola on
the show last night, she was talking about the fact
that she told us she was going to talk to
Thomas Coglan at the Herald and she was going to
give them a little teaser of how much money she'd

(49:55):
saved a big billion dollar item in the budget. It
turns out reading the paper today that it is a
billion dollars over four years by basically getting people out
of motels and emergency accommodation. You'll remember this this they
had set a target, a government had set a target
of getting that number down to only twenty five percent
of what it was because it completely got nuts under
the labor government got it down to about twenty five

(50:17):
percent of what it was. Meant to do it by
twenty thirty, but actually did it last year. So six
years early and there's a billion dollar saving. And I
think we can all agree paying for people to stay
in motels was never a good idea at all. Twenty
four away from six now Victoria University students. Well, they're
apparently shocked because they're going to be forced to rewrite
their exams next month by hand. It's not everyone, it's
just the students of two papers and third year law

(50:39):
and it's basically to try and get around AI.

Speaker 8 (50:41):
Now.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Danny Beddingfield is an expert in AI usage in education.
Hey Danny, Hi, Ever, Danny, it seems to me that
it's probably one of the only ways to get around
the AI right to do handwriting or to do oral exams.
Is it about right.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
At the moment?

Speaker 22 (50:56):
Unfortunately? Yes, you know, you would like to think that
you've got tools that will predict or be able to
detect this, but unfortunately there's nothing reliable out.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
There at the moment.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Why not?

Speaker 22 (51:07):
I guess the meaning is, you know, artificial intelligence is
designed to mimic human behavior, and every time you put
a prompt into an AI tool, it literally will produce
something different, even if the prompt is exactly the same,
because it's rewritten by the AI tool every single time,
and we'll use different sources and different ways of writing
every time it writes it.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
So if there's an I mean, do you think into
the future going to be impossible to try and track
it down. We just need to basically accept.

Speaker 22 (51:34):
That, I think absolutely. I think the problem at the
moment is that we're still trying to think in old
school ways. We're still trying to be able to detect
cheating by using essays and just passing them through a
number of different softwares. But there's always been ways of
kind of getting around that if the student was savvy
enough to and had the want to investigate ways online

(51:55):
to be able to do it.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Do you think that we basically need to acknowledge that
kids are going to be using AI, We are going
to be using AI, and we need to incorporate into
just incorporated into what they're doing at university.

Speaker 22 (52:08):
Absolutely, Look people in university, people in high school. Now
it's going to be a tool of choice that they're
going to be using when they leave, when they lead
the education and go into the real world. So I
think we should be using it more as a learning tool,
something that has the great ability to help improve processes
and save time and make us more productive. And unfortunately,
at the moment, our education system isn't set up to

(52:30):
assess in different ways, And I think that's what's got
to change the way that we assess our students.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Danny, thanks very much, really appreciated. Danny Beddingfield AI and
Education experts. Twenty one away from six.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
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Speaker 2 (52:46):
On the huddle this evening, We've got Morris Williamson Auckland
Council obviously former National Party minister and Ali Jones read
pr and christ Church Local Board Meaner Hollore you two.

Speaker 16 (52:55):
Good a good evening, Heather, and good evening Ali.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Marris Marris wa did you of the pay equity announcement.

Speaker 16 (53:03):
I think it's a sensible move because they're not getting
rid of pay equity. Pay equity will be here to stay.
But it's how you do the comparators. And I've had
a number of companies and employers raise it with me
along the way, saying that the ludicrous comparator of some
staff they've got with another occupation I think. I I mean,
I've heard the Minister in the House today saying that

(53:23):
Health New Zealand and the clerical staff were being compared
to mechanical engineers. Health New Zealand librarians to transport engineers,
and the one I love was Oranga tamariki social workers
to air traffic controllers. There's just lunacy, geer lunacy. So
the idea of pay equity is good, but make sure
you get the comparators sorted.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 23 (53:43):
What do you think about it, Ali, Well, there's no
doubt in my mind that the coalition's using this to
fund the budget. Absolutely nothing they have said today Luxeon
or van Wolden has made sense. So I heard Christopher
Luxelon say we're making sure we have a process that
is more robust, workable and sustainable than what I mean.
I have been involved with the College of Midwives pay

(54:04):
equity case. I'm not any longer. The hopes they had
to jump through the independent, very expensive reports that they
had to pay for to get robust and accepted comparators.
And this is also for Marius. The midwives union was huge. Morris,
I think you're being incredibly disingenuous when you start talking about,

(54:24):
you know, comparing librarians with engineers or so forth. Once
it gets to a negotiation into a court case, as
it has with the midwives, you just don't get that
stuff accepted without robust, independent reports, so I think they're
actually changing something that doesn't need changing.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Who were the midwives comparing themselves to By the way, Allie.

Speaker 23 (54:45):
That's a good question, and that's one but I haven't
managed to look at and pull up today. But the
PwC report, I think it was PwC that did it.
They looked at the number of years that someone studies
for what their experiences and what their life protection responsibilities
are in the work that they do.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
So there are a whole.

Speaker 23 (55:05):
Lot of different things that it might have been, for example,
a police detective. I'm not sure, don't quote me on that,
but it is done in a very scientific, very very
independent and robust waste. So I was curious to hear
Brook van Velden say that rubbish to so Allie.

Speaker 16 (55:22):
Well, those comparators I gave you here that are actually
in claims, because I've seen the copies of them and
I thought the best one I've seen, I haven't even
yes that one use this one. Corrections officers have been
used as a comparator for nurses claims, for admin's support
staff claims, and for teacher aids. Now, I don't think
they've got anything to do with each other, whether one's
better or not, or bigger or less. But I just

(55:44):
think to use them as a comparator for the work
you do is just wrong.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah, but we don't know that, Morris.

Speaker 23 (55:49):
That's what the Price Waterhouse Cooper's report does. It looks
at how long people study. It looks at their degree
of responsibility. It looks at the life protection and the
work that they do. It looks at their earnings. We
can't sit here as lay people and say, oh, an
engineer is nothing like.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
X y Z.

Speaker 23 (56:06):
It's got to be done properly. So those claims that
you're talking about are likely, if they don't stack up,
to be kicked out. So the process in the system
is already there. This is purely to get money that
they can put towards the budget, no.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Doubt, Allie. In which case, then if the claims will
the thirty three claims that have been sopped, they will
simply be reapplying presumably under the new rules. It is
just deferring the spend, then, isn't it.

Speaker 23 (56:31):
Well, yes, it is deferring the spend. But we all
know and Morris will know this too, that when you're
working either with long term plans at a city council level,
or you're doing it through a budget at a national
government level. Being able to defirst, spend and move money
around is absolutely key in presenting of the budget. And
the point that she made about just starting again, it
was kind of just dropped into conversation. This case that

(56:53):
the midwives have been running has been going for nearly
a decade. The decision has been reserved for nearly a year,
and it has cost them thousands and thousands of dollars.
Is that just going to be chucked out the window?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
And she does, Yes, it will be, won't it? Because
it is retrospective. This law is retrospective, So it stops
everything in its tracks, doesn't it.

Speaker 23 (57:11):
Yeah, that I don't know, And I've just been in
touch with the college head now and she does, well,
it's out.

Speaker 16 (57:16):
It does it retrospect. But how about if you get
a much better sort of clarity about the comparators and
the definitions into the legislation and then you don't have
these wild and swings of there is no way that
some of these occupations are comparisons.

Speaker 23 (57:32):
Why does it need to be in the legislation, Morris,
It's in the negotiations, and they vary so much, particularly
with women. Where you've got and who one of your
texts say earlier, Heather, Oh you can't compare. You know
what was it a librarian with an engineer. They've got
to be men and women in the same job. The
point is most of these professions have got only women

(57:52):
in them. That's what a comparator is for. So I
don't think people actually understand that.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
All right, we'll take a break with you guys. Come
back and just to take sixteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
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Speaker 2 (58:08):
Back of the huddle, Morris Williams and Ali Jones, Ali,
what did you make of the NATS pretending they're going
to do something about banning kids from social media?

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (58:16):
Look, when you get into the detail of it, I
think some of the comments that some of the politicians
have made are fair enough. They're talking about putting some restrictions,
putting some parameters, putting some controls around it that you know,
we try and help our kids in many ways in
their lives in New Zealand, and this is causing a
huge problem just almost unfettered access to the Internet. So look,

(58:39):
I think banning is probably not what they're going to do.
It all depends what the terms of reference are and
what the outcomes expected, I think.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I mean, if you really were going to do something Morris,
you wouldn't do it as a member's bill, would you.
You do it as good it does as a government bill,
or get some crosspases and never gets.

Speaker 16 (58:54):
Seen again, so it's got your headlined today and you'll
never remember it again. I actually think it's a great idea.
I've got very serious concerns about how you make it
work and how you implemented and how easy it is
to get around it, because these tech companies will set
up new products which won't be called social media products.
They'll be streaming service or something else, and you'll still

(59:15):
be able to put your material in. I just think
the kids' minds are being warped so badly by social media.
I think it's really changing the world in a really
bad way. And if there is a way. When my
kids grow up, we had to try and find a
way to blocking the Wi Fi so they couldn't be
playing on the social media as it was back and
it was only getting started. In the end, we got

(59:35):
to the point we didn't know how to do it
because the technology didn't allow in those days. So we
turned the Wi Fi off at about six o'clock at night,
and Raymond would complain to me, I want to go
on to the Internet and look, as I said, well,
you can't because it's all blocked off so that kids
can't get on the wall. I think it's the best
thing to do is to stop your kids from seeing
this stuff because they are exposed to garbage on that stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
I would have thought, Morris, that there's a reasonable number
of votes out there from parents, you know, parents like
yourself who've been through, parents like myself who face the
prospect of going through it like there must be a
huge number and grandparents, So there must be a huge
number of votes in actually doing this properly and getting
it right correct.

Speaker 16 (01:00:10):
And the only way you'll get it right is if
you do it as a government bill with all the
necessary advisors in there, and the contestable advice about how
you make it work, how you get around the tech
companies trying to skirt around it. Put some penalties in
place that they can get pinged and stung quite badly
if they're proven to misbehave because it's a great idea.
I just it's really hard to do, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Too, right, Hey, Alie, I'm still not even though three
of them have done it now with the gmails, I'm
still not that exercised by it, are you No?

Speaker 17 (01:00:39):
Not?

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Really?

Speaker 23 (01:00:39):
Look, this was actually really close to home for me
because I can't do everything that I need to do
in my elected role with my counselor email. I can't screenshot,
I can't copy and paste, and apparently this is all
down to security and obviously it's a trust issue as well.
I know it's bloody.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
It's very frustrated.

Speaker 23 (01:00:55):
So I have to will I have to forward it
to my red pr email and do things from there,
which the Council's happy about because then if there's a
leak thing though, it's me sending it to my work email.
But I know what the frustrations are. What I'm more
concerned about is how these ministers aren't able to do
the jobs that they are supposed to be doing. How
hard is it to make sure you can print.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Too, right? I mean the printing issue is something I'll
tell you what though, Morris, I was thinking, actually I'm
quite impressed with I always worry about ministers doing this
because I think, are they trying to get around the
Official Information Act? But I was quite impressed that actually
TVs HA managed to get like a couple of folders
that Erica actually gave to them out of her own
Gmail account. That's not bad, is it?

Speaker 9 (01:01:35):
She's fixing up Heather.

Speaker 16 (01:01:37):
I learned about twelve thirteen years ago how to not
do this stuff. A stroppy young reporter working for I
think the story at TV three stopped me on the
bridge walk over and shoved a microphone in my face
and said do you use private email? And what the
hell's this is that?

Speaker 9 (01:01:53):
Of course?

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Does that mean?

Speaker 14 (01:01:53):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (01:01:54):
Yes, that's right, it was you.

Speaker 9 (01:01:56):
Oh was that?

Speaker 16 (01:01:57):
Because?

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I think I was how embarrassing? Stroppy? This is the
right word, but it's why were you in trouble? What
were you doing?

Speaker 9 (01:02:04):
No?

Speaker 16 (01:02:04):
No, you were asking every one of them all minsisters
were being asked as we walked over did we use
private email? And I thought, well, yeah, of course I
do private email. I mean, if I'm arranging to have
dinner with Ray when I don't use my parliamentary ministerial email.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
And doing it on email anyway?

Speaker 9 (01:02:19):
Why aren't you just calling your wife many times?

Speaker 16 (01:02:22):
If you're stuck in a boring meeting and you can't
get out to make a phone call or flick an
email to somebody, you would really.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
So would you email? This is interesting. You'd email your
wife for a dinner date over texting your wife.

Speaker 16 (01:02:33):
No, no, no, no no, not a dinner date, but
just to say I'll be back home tonight for dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Okay, all right, you're.

Speaker 23 (01:02:38):
Still doing it hither, aren't you. Why don't you shove
the microphone right up?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
As I am so fascinated by Morris's private communications. As
you can tell years later.

Speaker 16 (01:02:46):
You scared them. You scared the bejez on me that
day because I thought I had done something wrong. And
then it turned out every minister you were stopping and
asking them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
With just the confidence with which I was approaching it. Obviously, guys,
thank you. It's lovely to chat to you. Morris, Williamson
and Allie Jones huddle this evening ate away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Heather Morris is talking like a real matematic college man
got on him. Now I was just I was scratching
my brains trying to remember what he was talking about.
I'm pretty sure that was back in the days of
seven Sharp. Oh yeah, that's right. I worked for seven Sharp.
I didn't get this tabloid attitude from nowhere anyway, So
back I think it was when I was working back
at seven SHARP. I did a story about how you

(01:03:31):
have to be really careful with what it is that
you're doing on the public wi fi is like using
your Gmail account and stuff like that. A data guy
proved it to me. He said to me, come with me,
We'll go use a public WiFi somewhere. So we went
in all Clinton said at the Altier Center. I'm pretty
sure this is the story said at the Altier Center.
Hopped up to the public WiFi there and he was like,
send an email. So I went into my Gmail account
and I sent an email, and he read to me

(01:03:54):
what I had just typed in my email because he
was like, he was like, it's just basically a combination
of what they look at, these nerdy guys, you know,
the data guys. He could see everything I was doing,
and he was like, never ever ever, use your bank account.
Don't log into your bank account when you're on the
public wifis because the people will see what your pin
code is. A blah blah. After that, I basically never
use public WiFi for anything, like I use it to

(01:04:16):
watch the Netflix. Who cares, But don't go and do
your emails because they can actually sit if they can
sit there and they can find you, and then they
can watch what you're doing. Obviously, nobody cares about you
or me because who cares what we're sending in our emails.
They're borrying. But if you if somebody's like, oh this
Nikola or she's on the Gmail, oh okay, then they're
interested in that. By the way, By the way, the opposition,

(01:04:37):
as predicted, is going to town on the pay equity
stuff in parliament tonight. They're doing press conferences up the
wazoo about it. Here's Julie and Genter.

Speaker 24 (01:04:45):
And the thing that really kills me about this is
there is no limit to the amount of money these
people will spend on a road. There is literally no
limits the amount of money they will spend on a road,
as if some timac somehow magically creates economic growth. But
investing in people doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Only Julian Jenter can turn a debate about paying women
something into a debate about rhodes am. I right, here's labors,
Ginny Anderson.

Speaker 25 (01:05:15):
Because this government is quite happy for them to clean
their toilets and clean their flaws and do all their
duty work, but they're not prepared to pay them what
they're worth. And that is going to come back and
bite this government at the next election.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Do you want more?

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Nay, you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Anyway, you can see where it is. And they rolled
out Megan, They've rolled out everybody. They're like, hey, if
you have what do you need to be a woman?
Is it a double X chromosome? If you have two
X chromosomes and you're in the opposition, can you please
come and hold a press conference immediately at how upset
you are about this? And women came out. By the way,
here's the If you're looking for something to cheer you up,

(01:05:53):
go and look at the video of Prince Louis that's
popped up overnight. Prince Louis is the youngest of William's
kids that the V Day V Day commemorations, and they're
watching the marches and they're sitting at the front there
it's it's William and then Louie and then the other one,
the one who's going to be King George. And Louie
is a handful because he's got middle child, the youngest
child vibes hard, he's rolling his eyes. But the absolute

(01:06:16):
best bit is where the future King George. You know,
he's preteen, so he's you know, he cares how he looks.
And the wind blows his hair and he sort of
pushes it back and we Louis spots it and just
dramatically does this hair roll on his brother. Just brilliant.
The kid is just a star. Go and watch. That'll
cheer you up. Talk to the nurses next.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
It's beautiful things.

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Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Coming up in the next hour, we had Olson on
the savings that we're seeing the government's managed to make
for Nichola Williss's upcoming budget. Don'tk and grieve on whether
Stephen Joyce should be the chair of a media company.
Our media company, by the way, and Jamie McKay and
Deer Brady out of the UK for us right now,
it's seven pass six now. The government, as we've discussed
as today, announced a massive overhaul of the pay equity
claim system. The current regime allows workers from secors sectors

(01:07:21):
with a large female workforce to argue that they are
underpaid relative to similar work done in male dominated sectors.
Thirty three current claims are going to stop immediately. Applicants
will have to reapply under a new regime. Paul Goalter
is the chief executive of the New Zealand Nurses Organization. Hey, Paul, hi,
I take it. You don't love this.

Speaker 26 (01:07:42):
No, we're really disappointed with it. In fact, we've called
it shameful and our members are really upset about this.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
They've been ringing an all day about it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Okay, so you have got about it, right am I
right in thinking about ten claims underway?

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
Yeah, we've got ten claims.

Speaker 26 (01:07:58):
Our position has been really clear once we settle the
defuntal or or the hospital's pay equity claim a couple
of years ago, that we wanted to put a claim
across all the rest of the nurses, right across primary
health and age care and the like, and that's what
we've been endeavoring to do. So that's quite quite a
very extensive claim. The idea for that is to try

(01:08:21):
and eliminate the gender discrimination aspect and their wage rates
in order to start to move towards paparity.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Now under the new regime, will all ten of your
claims be able to be resubmitted? Will they still qualify.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
Well?

Speaker 26 (01:08:38):
Without seeing the detail of the legislation, but we will,
I think that's an important point. We will resubmit for
every one of those claims, and we are quite confident
from what we can read in the legislation that they
would stand a really good.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
Chance of going through.

Speaker 26 (01:08:54):
But the problem here is it's been incredibly bureaucratic trying
to get our claims this far, and now we've got
to start again.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
I know a number of employers.

Speaker 26 (01:09:03):
Are really hurting about that, and we're going to start
again under another regime.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
It just adds more years to it. Quite frankly, do
you know off.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
The top of your head, Paul, who your workers were
comparing themselves to, So, for example, your plunket workers what
was the comparison with what male dominated industry.

Speaker 26 (01:09:22):
We hadn't got to that. We were just short of that.
We just had a couple more interviews on what the
jobs actually were that Plunket nurses were doing, and other
occupations within Plunket, and then you moved to a conversation
or a bargain if you like, with the employers about
which comparators would be in place, and then if you

(01:09:45):
argue about that, you could go to arbitration.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Hopefully we would have worked through that pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
What about age care? Do you know who they were
comparing themselves to?

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
No, Again, as with.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
All of them, it hadn't got to that stage.

Speaker 26 (01:09:57):
Yeah, with nurses, I can speak for the nurses part
of age here. We certainly hadn't got to that. And
we had been working closely with the Age Care Association
to try and move this long as quickly as possible,
and we hadn't got to that stage either. The care
and support workers claim is a bit different, and I'm
not quite sure who their comparators were with care and

(01:10:19):
support and that reaches across into some age care facilities
or age care facilities.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Okay, now, is it fair to say Paul that your
primary complaint is just the fact that this is going
to take longer. Right, there's no indication that your cases
are not going to succeed or anything like that. You
might still get there, it's just that it takes longer,
but it's.

Speaker 26 (01:10:37):
Now weighted more heavily against getting the outcomes we think
are appropriate. Well, there's a number of early stages which
they seem just reading the media releases to have introduced,
are going to introduce to prove that it's a female
dominated occupation. You're going to move from sixty percent female

(01:11:00):
to seventy percent that in some trades or occupations would
give a problem. Then there's grounds for extended grounds for
knocking out the claim. It's going to be harder to
do a multi employer claim those sorts of things, and
employers have got an increased ability to basically make the

(01:11:23):
whole thing a lot more difficult, which is quite ironic
in health because we've been working closely with the employers
across all age care and GPS and the like to
try and move this thing along. So and actually we've
been had a number of calls from our employers that
we've been working with saying what the hell's going on?
And where do we go next with us? You're not
going to give up, are you? We said no, We're

(01:11:43):
not giving up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
All right, Paul, thank you very much for your time.
I do appreciate it. Is Paul goal to the chief
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Meghan Woods.

Speaker 27 (01:11:51):
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Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
These talks end be now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
I've got to tell you it's I got to tell
you in a minute about Steven Joyce potentially becoming the
chair of the company that I work for, and Chippy
just being annoying about it. I'll get to that and
it take a sixteen past six. Now we're getting a
bit of a better idea about how Nikola Willis is
going to fund her budget. Later this month we learned
that the government today will save one billion dollars over
four years because it's hitting its housing target early. And
then potentially more than ten billion dollars over four years

(01:13:56):
will be saved from this pay equity system overhaul. Brad
Olson's in metrics seeing principal economists. Hey, Brad good evening,
what do you make of these two savings? I mean,
they're reasonably big, aren't they.

Speaker 9 (01:14:07):
The very big?

Speaker 28 (01:14:08):
I feel like it's we're back to the future a
little bit when you know we're starting to talk and
billions of dollars again for just two line items. But
again you know that they are quite substantial. And I
think also particularly when you look at the lights of
the pay equity claims. The Minister's Cabinet paper highlights that
already the settlements are costing government one point five to

(01:14:28):
five billion dollars per year, with a number of claims
still in the system that of course was going to
go up, and so there is now quite a change.
The Prime Minister has profiled billions of dollars of savings,
although it's not abundantly clear right the second how big
that number is the fact that we've got sort of
such big savings. I think also goes into what we
heard from the Finance Minister last week when the operating

(01:14:51):
allowance was cut back, and that that operating allowance is
a net figure. It's the total additional funding that the
government can spend. It's not only are just sort of
a straight up edition though, it's a net figure. And
so with the government now finding a number of additional
savings across a few areas, across housing, now across pay equity,

(01:15:11):
that does free up more funding for the government to
do other things overall.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Yeah, I mean, if we're talking about more than ten
billion dollars in one line item over four years and
a billion dollars and another line item, that makes that
one point three billion dollars in the operating allowance suddenly
make a little bit more sense, doesn't it.

Speaker 28 (01:15:29):
It certainly gives the government more options going forward. I mean,
for the likes of the pay equity settlements. Again, I
don't think they would have necessarily have been booked to
have started all of them immediately at once, but obviously
with some of the numbers that are being thrown about
and without any real detail there that the cabinet paper
is not surprisingly silent on the dollar figures. Those have

(01:15:52):
been fairly well reducted as budget sensitive, but again they
do there are big changes that will happen over time,
and given that the government does have very limited funding
room and has a lot of stuff that they want
to be able to spend on, this does look like
it is all part of trying to make the numbers
work and what is a difficult set of circumstances. The
economic figures have been more challenging. Treasury is likely to

(01:16:17):
downgrade economic expectations going forward. That means less revenue for
the government and so that does require money to come
from somewhere else to allow all of the big expectations
to still be funded.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Yes, now, what about the employment stats they're out tomorrow.
What are you expecting.

Speaker 28 (01:16:32):
We do expect the unemployment will be increasing further. I
think the broadn census is around sort of five point
three percent. That is the highest and nearly a decade,
and obviously I think highlights what everyone's seeing out there
that times are still quite tough. People are struggling to
find jobs, and we saw that with some of the
filled jobs data out over the last week as well.

(01:16:54):
Even those increases to the unemployment rate and similar they
make government's life harder as well. From a financial perspective,
the number of people on jobs, he can benefits and
similar continues to increase, and so all of those are
further cost that the government has to pay for. So
we are in a very difficult time in the economy.
We're of course being hit with the uncertainty from the tariffs.

(01:17:15):
We're starting to see some other areas of the economy
still show some promise. The primary sector and similar. Mortgage
rates are falling for a number of households, but there's
still a level of concern I think amongst households because
the jobs market is not quite as easy, and you
see that with consumer confidence. Despite the fact that interest
rates are coming down in cost of living challenges should

(01:17:35):
be easier for households, the numbers still suggest that households
are still pretty reluctant to be too optimistic. So a
lot of challenges out there. The government's facing fiscal challenges,
households are still facing financial challenges, difficult, challenging conditions all round.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Yeah, Brad, thanks very much, really appreciated. Brad Awsome, Principal
economists at Infometrics. Okay, so, if you've been vaguely interested
in media stories, you probably have followed the fact that
there's been a bit of a boardroom battle going on
at the place that I work here at Enzby. And
the latest news is that the compromised position which appears
to have been struck is that Stephen Joyce will become

(01:18:10):
the chair of the board of this company. Now, to
anyone who knows Steven Joyce's history, that's a relatively smart decision.
I would have thought he seems like he would know
what he was doing, or he's got some business experience.
He's got heaps of radio experience. He set up the Edge,
which everybody knows now, set it up back in New
Plymouth way back in the day, and turned it into
the success it was, and then basically turned media works

(01:18:32):
into the success that it was. Blah blah blah. You know,
the rest is history. Anyway, Chippy must not know that
Chippy must think that the only thing that Stephen Joyce
has ever done in his life is to work as
a National Party minister. Because Chippy has concerns about this,
Chippy says it will draw into question en Zidmey's editorial stance,
and I think that would be very unfortunate for the

(01:18:54):
very many credible people who work for that organization. Why
thank you, Chippy. I do appreciate that incredible But yes,
what a dumb thing to say. What an egg? What
did he wake up on the wrong side? Did he
leave his brain behind when he put a socks on
this morning? Does he really think that the chair of
the board of this company is going to have any
impact on the editorial position that anyone in this company takes.

(01:19:15):
Just to illustrate my point, right, the current board of
the chair of the board is Barbara Chapman. I've never
met Barbara Chapman, so I've never spoken to Barbara Chapman.
I've never exchanged an email or a text or anything.
There's been no communication between me and Barbara Chapman whatsoever.
I have no idea what Barbara thinks of what I say.
I assume I assume that she might not love it,

(01:19:39):
judging by some comments that she's made in the me.
I don't know. I don't know what Barbara thinks. I
don't know. So why would it change with Stephen? If
Barbara can conduct herself like that and be a decent
person to just leave us to it doing our own
little weird things whatever, why wouldn't Stephen do that?

Speaker 16 (01:19:54):
Makes?

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
What makes should be? Think that Stephen's going to change
you anyway? I just think should be just should we
just say some dumb things sometimes? German? It's politics, right,
Let's be honest, he's playing politics anyway. To get to
where I'm going with this, Duncan Greeve, who is a
media commentator who works for the spinoff set up the spinoff,
is going to be with us in about ten minutes
fifteen minutes time and give us his unbiased and unvarnished

(01:20:16):
take on whether he thinks that this is a problem
for the company.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Twenty six pass six and with me right now is
Jamie McKay, Host of the Country. Hey, Jamie, good I
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Speaker 17 (01:20:35):
While I've gone to my go to guy, Mike McIntyre,
jard another two to three percent. This is a really
good result. To hell with Trump's tariffs, it doesn't seem
to be stopping the rampant dairy market. Admittedly, we're very
near the end of our season. This is the penultimate
GDT auction. The season will end, of course on May
thirty one. So he's picking two to three percent. That

(01:20:57):
follows two rises in April, after a we drop or
a bit of a slump, slight slump in March. The
interesting thing is if the spot rate was set on
today's price, is were they're getting eleven dollars per kilogram
of milk solids and that's with a apparently with a dollar,
which is just nudging sixty US cents.

Speaker 7 (01:21:15):
So that's great.

Speaker 17 (01:21:16):
Of course, it won't be that because it evens out
over the whole season. But happy days, as I say,
for the dairy industry.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Hey, that twenty one percent drop in the number of
sheep over the last ten years. Is that worry you?

Speaker 17 (01:21:27):
Yeah, it does because you need critical mass in the
industry and the sheep meat industry walls look and I
get a bit of stick on my show for being
pessimistic about wall. But I am really worried about the
prospects for strong cross bread wall. But the prospects for
lamb especially is a really good it's a niche product,
it's a really good product. There's a shortage of it.
But the trouble is, you know in the nineteen eighties

(01:21:49):
here that we had seventy million sheep. We're down to
twenty three million sheep. Now we're just producing less and less,
even though the production be head's gone up significantly significently
in those forty odd years. So look, the worry is
that we haven't got enough critical mass to keep our
processing plants open or certainly open and efficient. So you know,

(01:22:11):
down down to twenty three point six million sheep. And
I know these numbers have been bandied about, but they're
worth repeating. Dairy cattle so much for the dairy boom.
We're down thirteen percent since the dairy boom, nearly a million,
down to five point eight with them. It'll be interesting
to see whether that stays there if the government gets
back into or allows dairy conversions. The interesting one is

(01:22:33):
beef cattle have done the best, very good returns for
beef at the moment those numbers are pretty similar to
what they were a decade ago. And if you're a
deer farmer, chances are here that you've only got three
quarters of the stock you used to have because they're
down twenty six percent.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Hey, thanks very much, Jamie go well at the moment.

Speaker 21 (01:22:49):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
That's Jamie McKay, Host of the Country, right, duncan grieve
on this Business of the media next, and then we're
off to end of Brady in the UK. News is
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Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Brady is going to be with this out of the
UK about ten minutes time. Hither it looks like Book
Van Valden has just done Judith Collins a solid and
paid for her military toys. It certainly answers that where
are they getting the money from? Question, Tony you bang
on twenty four away from seven Now looks like Stephen Joyce,
the former National Party minister, is set to be the
new chair of NZB, which is the company that owns
news Talk zb's been nominated as a compromise to settle

(01:24:02):
a month's long boardroom stout that's been going on. Duncan
Greeb is the founder of the spin off as a
media commentator and with us. Now, Hey, Duncan, Heather, does
it look too like a done deal?

Speaker 29 (01:24:14):
I would never say this saga as long as it's
run as a dune deal. But it looks like a
really smart, adroit bit of maneuvering that should be a
done deal. Why Well, because I guess as a as
a compromise candidate, it would be very hard for the
insurgents Grennan and Barker, and that those kind of shareholders

(01:24:35):
who've been grumpy about the you know, the sort of
both the governments and particularly the journalism of Entented Me
to kind of have an issue with Joyce given his
background both politically but also in media, but also he's
such a known quantity to New Zealand his role in

(01:25:02):
the previous national government, which is a much more popular
one than the current one. And so you know, it
just looks like if you're going to pick anyone out
of this country to kind of tie a bow on
this thing away that maybe it's not what everyone wanted,
but everyone can live with it. Joyce would be your guy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Yeah, And you could do worse, couldn't you, Because I mean,
the man knows radio through and.

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
Through, he really does.

Speaker 29 (01:25:27):
I know, he was basically the architect of what became
Media Works and did that from the ground up, so
really really sharp visionary, really media mind. But also I
think because he was part of the sort of kitchen
cabinet of that government for so long, understands the relationship

(01:25:49):
between politics and media, which are so central to this dispute,
and where you have to hold and where you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
Have to give.

Speaker 29 (01:25:56):
You know, I think there's a sort of an underlying
pragmatism to the government that that should be you know,
acceptable to everyone. Because the big fear that people had
was that that Grennan's people were going to kind of
push it beyond what you know, has to be a
broad mainstream brand. They were going to push it beyond
what was acceptable to that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
So Chris Hopkins has said today it will draw into
question their editorial stance if Stephen Joyce was to become
the chair. Do you think it will?

Speaker 29 (01:26:27):
I mean, I think that's a bit of a fastical comment.
Just given the sort of history of political appointees to boards,
you know all. You know, obviously media is a specific thing,
but but you know, there there is so much of

(01:26:49):
you know, whether it's government boards or the sort of
post politics life of politicians where there are political elements
that they have to navigate some more complex scenarios than this.
So you know, it doesn't seem like a particularly plausible statement.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Yeah, I don't think so either. Hey, Duncan, it's good
to talk to you. I really appreciated. As always. That's
Dunk and Grieve, the spinoff founder and also media commentator.
I'm glad he made the point just then about politicians
on boards because the list of even just labor ministers.
And I'm not saying I'm not telling you this because
I've got a problem with it. I'm just calling into question.
I'm just wanting to point out the hypocrisy of what
Chris Hopkins has said. The number of labor ministers who've

(01:27:29):
gone on to boards is you know, like, I don't
even want to start on the list, because if I
started on the list and it was comprehensive, we'd still
be here. It's would still be here at six am
when when Mike Caster Starters show. Because there's so many
politicians who just who go on to boards. I'll just
give you an example, right, Steve Mahari, Chair of far Mac,
Steve Mahari, Chair of ACC, Ruth Dyson on Fire and

(01:27:53):
Emergency News New Zealand, Ruth Dyson on the National Hazards
Commission Board, Marion Hobbs on Heritage New zealandh blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Could go
on forever. Right, it's not unusual at all to be
I think just kind of. I think he's trying to
make something out of it. He's just trying to get
into this whole politicizing the media like bias and bias
and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 16 (01:28:12):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
I don't think it all. It won't Nobody in their
right mind is going to believe it. Nineteen Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Heather duper Cla.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
I wish I knew this when we spoke to the
Westpac CEO on the show yesterday, because I would have
asked her about this because I was reading today she's
actually done a good deed. So I don't know if
you've been following this. But there was the story of
the Auckland pensioner right who transferred I think it was
like one hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars or something.
It was a substantial amount of money. He transferred from

(01:28:39):
his bank account Barclays Bank in the UK to his
bank account in Auckland Westpac. But he was using a
sticky keyboard and the number four it was an old
keyboard and the number four was sticky, and so he
didn't enter his his account details properly, must have left
the four off, and as a result, his money did
not actually go into his bank account at all. It
went into the bank account of an Auckland beneficiary who

(01:29:02):
then looked at it and went whoo party tan and
brought herself a couple of cars and transferred some money
to so and so in Blilah, and it was gone right,
And this poor chap ended up in a battle for
fifteen months to try to get this money back, and
he was going absolutely nowhere, there, nowhere with it. And
then last week, all of a sudden, bingo, Barclays Bank

(01:29:23):
paid the money to him, plus five hundred pounds in
compo for honestly Barclays five hundred bucks in compo you
tight wads. But anyway, it turns out that the reason
that that happened is because Katherine McGrath, the CEO of
Wes Westpac Bank, who had nothing to do with this
other than being the receiving bank. Right, it's not their
problem that this happened. She used to work for Barclays,

(01:29:44):
so when she heard what happened, she obviously had some
people there that she knew or whatever, so she got
in contact with him and bingo, he got his money back.
And how good is that? In Westpac deserves we give
a lot of I say this all the time. We
get a lot of grief to the banks. And I
like giving grief to the banks because I want them
to I want to keep them on their toes, keep
them on their toes. But when they do something good,
they also deserve credit for it. And speaking of given credit,

(01:30:04):
can I just give a shout out to Harper Davis
of St. Mark's Catholic School, who was nine years old
and was the one yesterday to alert everybody to the
fire at the McDonald's playground. She was waiting there for
her mum and she noticed a small amount of smoke
was hurting her eyes, and she said she she felt
like she couldn't breathe properly, so she she peeked over,
had a looking whip. There's a fire in the playground,

(01:30:26):
so she ran outside, went and told the staff. Her
mum arrived one minute after she told the stuff, and
the entire playground was already on fire. So shout out
to shout out to Harper for doing a good deed.
They're more of that police seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither duplicy Ellen,
with the business hour and mass insurance and investments, grow
your wealth, protect your future news dogs.

Speaker 14 (01:30:50):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Heather. I enjoy your show full stop a lot. Thank
you full stop. I feel like that full stop is
quite like an emphasist.

Speaker 30 (01:30:58):
Well, let's stop reading the text. Now. That's a perfectly
nice thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
To go downhill, downhill from here. But I don't like
the way that you pronounced transplant, transfer and transaction. And
you have to say it out loud to see the
inconsistency of my pronunciation. There, transfer transplant, transport, transaction. Now
I was I read that out to the German before

(01:31:24):
and and ads obviously, and she said to me there
is a difference between data and data they mean different things.
And I am surprised by this. And we have sent
the German away to figure out what on earth the differences,
if this difference even exists. So stay tuned. She will
be back, very diligent because it's German to be back
to us. And just oh, she just put her finger

(01:31:44):
up of the air and said one minute please and walk.

Speaker 9 (01:31:47):
I think she's going to go consult an expert.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Oh, I thought she's walking to the printer where I
just wanted.

Speaker 9 (01:31:51):
To leaving the building.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
She's had a guts full of a day. So what's
this nonsense with English people who constantly muck up their
own language. Anyway, I just want to point out our
printers do work, so if the government would like to
come and use them from detection.

Speaker 9 (01:32:02):
From your transport pronunciation as well were very good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Thanks very much. Thirteen away from seven in Indo, Bradio
UK correspondents with us Inda.

Speaker 7 (01:32:09):
Hello, Heather, I enjoy your show a lot. There is
no but I love you anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
You are such a nice man. I always appreciate talking
to you. Hey, tell me what I've got you here Inda,
and what's Stamma planning to do? What are these announcements?

Speaker 7 (01:32:25):
So he needs to do something to tackle the rampant
popularity of Nigel Farage. So a couple of things in
the papers today which are obviously going to happen. I
think they're just kind of sailing it out today to
see if it sinks or swims. So, first of all,
student visas from certain countries. The government has been looking
at all the data or data on this and basically

(01:32:48):
three countries are of concern with regard to student visas Pakistan,
Sri Lanka and Nigeria. They're seeing a very serious pattern
here of young people wanting to come to the UK
getting student visas and then after a short period claiming asylum,
trying to claim asylum. And the end result is this

(01:33:08):
is a very very big number sixteen million dollars a
day being spent every day by the UK government on
accommodation for people who are claiming asylum. Sixteen million dollars
a day. So one thing they're going to do is
get tough on those three countries and their student visas.
And then secondly the winter fuel payments about six hundred
dollars Starmer basically blitz that over winter, no more winter

(01:33:33):
fuel payments for pensioners, regardless of how rich or poor
you are. They're going to perhaps roll.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
Back on that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Ah, that's embarrassing. Haven't they just like a list of
ministers go out and defend this decision?

Speaker 7 (01:33:46):
Yes, yeah, exactly. And they were given no choice. And
Starmer's mantra was that there's no money in the kitty.
Blamed the Conservatives fourteen years of ruin. So I think
what they're going to do is roll back on it,
perhaps put a threshold in place so that the poorest
pensioners will get it again next winter. Because Forage is
making gangs left, right and center, and as much as

(01:34:07):
people have laughed, he is saying I will be prime
minister in four years time. I've had people come up
to me over the weekend saying, what do you think
Farage will be like as prime minister? Well, it's it's
cutting through.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Yeah, that's very interesting. How did you see Prince Louis
at the ve Day celebrations.

Speaker 7 (01:34:23):
I love the little hair flick mocking his older brother George.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
Yeah, do you know what?

Speaker 7 (01:34:28):
He's a character? It's been positive. I think the last
twenty four hours for the Royal family to not be
listening to whatever Harry's latest wine or winges. Harry dominated
the news agenda all weekend, so I think it was
best foot forward for the Royals. Yesterday we saw the
fly past. I thought it was a nice touch, putting
the veterans, the survivors of World War Two, front and

(01:34:51):
center of everything, and Royal's mingling in with them, Starmer
being there at Cooper's Home Secretary. I thought it was
a successful day.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Now what happened with David Bickham's patty right, It got
stopped at four in the morning, but I thought it
was in a part of London where there are bars,
and so that shouldn't be a surprise or am I wrong?

Speaker 7 (01:35:09):
Well, people still live in Kensington and people have work
to do, and yes, it was wonderful for David Beckham
to turn fifty and have Tom Cruise there and Gordon
Ramsey and Guy Ritchie the movie director and Manchester United
players and everyone partying in a Mitchell and Dard restaurant. However,
the noise was still going on pushing four am in
the morning, so local residents rang the council. Council officers

(01:35:32):
came out, the music was switched off and the party ended.
So not a great look. And I have to say
the other issue in the Beckham household, the eldest son, Brooklyn,
seems to have cut them all adrift. He is not
at any of the functions, not at any of the parties,
and not in any of the photos. So you wonder
what's going on there with him and his wife.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
I noticed that thank you, Inda, I love you, thank
you just because you love me. So I just they
got weird, didn't it. I don't know if do you
say to other people that you love them?

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
Do you say?

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
I just did, though, didn't I? Anyway, my friends, just
to make this less weird for me and Ninda and
everybody right now, my friends and I do say to
each other that we love each other because there's not
enough love in the world, and so I say it.
I say it. I say it to my son so
much he doesn't listen to it anymore, and I say
it to my friends, and now I say it to Endo.

(01:36:22):
Two away from seven.

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Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Zebbi Okay Data Data so what I was saying before.
We've double checked this with Scarlett, who is like our
pronunciation Nazi. You have to have one of those people
when you're working in broadcasting. And Scarlett has confirmed that
my thinking was in fact correct, but the German was wrong,
but we're going to get to that anyway. So my
thinking was correct. That Americans say transport and britsay transport,

(01:37:00):
and you would think that the same would be the
same for data and data, but it's not. It's the reverse.
It's really weird. Americans will say transport, transfer, trans tr
tran whatever, and then when it comes to data, they
go on data. I don't know why, but they have
just flipped just to mess with the Brits. I think
they've flipped everything around, whereas actually the correct pronunciation is data,

(01:37:23):
so you should say, you should say transport transfer whatever,
and then you should say data. And what the German
was thinking was the thing that's tripped her up lately
as plurals, not because she's got a problem with English.
To her English is probably better than most of our English,
but she's realized that data is in fact plural and
the singular of data. You don't go around saying I

(01:37:44):
looked at the data and it is correct. You say,
I looked at the data and they are correct, because
if you're talking about the one data you say datim,
it's a datum. I looked at the datum and it
is correct, and it is the same as stadium datum
stadium plural of stadium stadia. You're welcome. This is all Latin,

(01:38:04):
isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:38:05):
And I'm still going to keep saying stadiums.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
I might.

Speaker 9 (01:38:08):
I might stick with data as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
And is it really that hard to say stadia?

Speaker 9 (01:38:12):
I mean, and I always get it.

Speaker 30 (01:38:14):
I always get annoyed Americans when they do this as well,
so I'd be a big hypocrite.

Speaker 9 (01:38:17):
So all right, Stadia, it is Stadia data.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
The daytum thing is going to take a little while.

Speaker 9 (01:38:21):
Well, the harp is going to be data that the
data they show. That's how that seems very weird. That's
going to be a struggle.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Should we try it?

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Should we give it a.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Home on the on the show?

Speaker 9 (01:38:30):
Enough? This is going to be official style it is.

Speaker 30 (01:38:33):
If you start writing a script with the data it was,
then you you pull me.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Up on it style guide for the rest.

Speaker 9 (01:38:39):
Shaking your head, Laura, what's the problem with this.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Humans love things to be correct most of the time,
don't you know, Like it's weird that she's all like
she's she's the executive producer, and so I think we're
going to fire her? Are you gonna we're going to
pay you?

Speaker 14 (01:38:51):
Right?

Speaker 30 (01:38:51):
Yeah, I'm definitely moving on from that conversation. That's not happening.
Are Rihanna every only girl in the world? Not every girl?
Rihanna only girl in the world to play us out? Tonight,
she is announced that she and Asat Rocky are expecting
their third child.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Congratulations and got two boys?

Speaker 9 (01:39:05):
A they do?

Speaker 30 (01:39:06):
They have Rizza and I head this right nearby because
I knew you were gonna ask.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
Me to be hoping this one's a girl. I'll tell
you that.

Speaker 30 (01:39:13):
Rizza and Riot and yeah, well Gi'll be nice one
it can. I suppose they could all follow acet Rocky
and Rihanna's legacies, but it would be nice to have
a girl as well. And they were looking absolutely amazing
at the At the met gala, Rihanna's suit was done
by Mark Jacobs, include a polka dot satin cravat, tailored
skirt and a tied jacket must bar.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
It's a cravat Is it isn't it, Laura?

Speaker 9 (01:39:36):
Oh, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
We're two down the far down the rabbit hole, Ignora,
so Cal's see you tomorrow by now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
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