Full Show Podcast: 07 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Gooring. It's Heather dupasy Elm Drive with One.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
New Zealand let's get connected news talks'd be good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome to the show. We've got some gas news and
it's not good gas news to tell you after five
nurses are pretty worried about Saint John's pulling their volunteers
out of emergency departments and the mistakes eighteen of them
in the Maths workbooks.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Heather Dupaicy Ellen rare.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Thing to be able to say, Wellington City Council has
just made a sensible decision and voted against directing offence
along the entire length of Kumutoto and Queenswarf. Now, if
you know the part of Wellington that I'm talking about here,
it's the area seaside of the TSB Banker Reader and
Fergs and Shed five and Foxglove and so on. That
whole area at the moment has beautiful concrete walkways that

(00:49):
have been laid lovely, lovely seating and lighting and so on,
And then there's a little barrier either side of their sea.
On the other side, there's a little barrier that comes
up to concrete barrier maybe midshin for you now. Council
officials planned to erect a fence instead, full length fence
either side of every walkway up to about what i'd
say one point two one one point two meters or so,

(01:10):
lining almost the entire walkway three and a half k's
of it, at the cost of maybe as much as
thirty million dollars. And they wanted council probably because they
realized how this is going to go down with people.
They wanted council to rush through voting on it without
talking to the public about it first. For once, Wellington
City Council has actually done the right thing and pumped
the brakes here. I think to be fair to the

(01:31):
officials that this is coming from a good place and
that this is the recommendation and account a coroner's report.
A coroner's had a look at somebody who's fallen into
the water died in the drink and said you should
put a fence up, because there have been a few
examples lately, especially young men who've got on the raz
and then fallen into the water and that has been

(01:51):
the end of them. But this is going to sound harsh,
but I don't think you fence off an entire walkway
because some young people sometimes have a drink and then
fall in. I don't want as much as you. I
don't want people to die needlessly in accidents. But there
is a balance to be struck here between personal responsibility
and safety measures that we put up to stop stuff happening.

(02:12):
I think you go for an intermediate thing here. You
stick up some lights, you make sure people can see
where they're going in the dark, but you do not
fence off the entire thing, because that is overkill. It
is not normal for us to have fences between ourselves
and the sea. Take Auckland, where I live at the moment.
Go for a walk under Auckland's harbor bridge. There are
huge stretches exactly like this, no fence whatsoever. You're walking there,

(02:33):
there's the sea. It's a fall down. You have to
look after yourself and be careful. Walk on piers anywhere
in this country they often do not have fences. You've
got a watch where you're going. You chuck up a fence.
You stop people doing what they're supposed to do in
the sea, which are sitting there looking at it, enjoying
nature or fishing off the fishing off the walkway into
the sea. Think about what the Wellington officials trying to

(02:54):
do here. They were literally fencing off the sea. When
you fence off the sea, do you not think that
you are going just a little bit too far.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Hither Duellen, don't you winne is the teach number.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
We're actually going to have a chat to one of
the Wellington City councilors, Tim Brown about a quarter past five. Now,
if you're in Auckland, you might want to double check
your rates bill. The Heralds had to look at it.
They've identified a number of properties in Auckland where rates
are completely wrong. One of the worst examples is a
three point nine million dollar property which had a rate
spill come through of four hundred and forty four thousand dollars.

(03:30):
That was obviously wrong. That's been revised down to fourteen
thousand dollars. Ross Tucker is Auckland Council's Group Chief financial Officer,
high Ross h Ross. How did you guys send out
a rating bill for four hundred and forty four thousand dollars?

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Well, obviously that that one was a mistake. So we
are currently in the process of.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
No no hold on before we move on, I want to
know how did it happen? Does nobody double check? Is
it AI doing it? Nobody double checks it?

Speaker 4 (03:57):
What a long complex process? So that the process all
about doing the rating valuation. So every three years we
do rating valuations. At the long complex process, we've got
to do revised rating valuations for six.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Hundred and we know how this works.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
We all own properties. How did you guys send out
an email for four four four zero zero zero? Did
nobody look at it and go that's a bit high?

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Well, we kind of look at all them, but we
don't have one person sitting down and looking through six
hundred and thirty thousand individual one so a huge volume pressumilar.
But what we're seeing is we've looked at the ones
that have been raised. We've identified there's four properties out
of six hundred and thirty thousand, four properties have identified areas.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Are you sure well, we've had a good look at it.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
We haven't identified we've had Is there any systematic errors?
Are there problems that are that are quite bored? Or
are they isolated? And the best information we've quite is
we think it's quite isolated. But what these ones relate
to if I can just explain the context of these,
these are the four properties that where there's been some
issues are not just a single property, single house. It's

(05:01):
ones where the multi units, So there's one rates ball
that covers multiple units. And where the era has happened
is it's the wrong number of charges, so instead of
getting you know, instead of ten units, it's thirty or
something like that. So it's the number of charges that
the waste charges or the per unit. So if anyone
sees the rates of ball and it's got the wrong number,

(05:21):
that's more.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Than How did that happen? How does that make sense
with the one that's three point nine million, because it
went from four hundred and forty four thousand dollars down
to fourteen thousand, which is thirty one point seven one
four to eighty five seven times less. So how did
the different how many units? What happened?

Speaker 4 (05:39):
I don't don't have all the details of Finney, but
it was something like it was should have been fourteen
units and it was forty four units or something like that.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Oh, better order to manage it.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
It's completely the wrong number of units. Someone somehow, maybe
it's human eraor maybe it's some processing in data translation,
but it's simply the wrong number of units, and then
that just drives a change. So the rates and the
dollars charges that the prices are right, but the quantity
of the number of units what's wrong in those cases.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
What's happened with the Herald do is they can only
pack up the really big mistakes. They can't pack up
the really small mistakes. So presumably you guys have to
run across everything and just make sure that there are
no mistakes. Is that how it would work? Are you
planning to do that?

Speaker 4 (06:15):
That's right? So we have been doing it. We're doing
more of that and the team's working really hard this
week to double trouble check as much things as they can.
They've been doing it so far. They haven't spotted in
the other eras. You can never be undertential, but we're
doing the best we can to define and do it.
It is six hundred and fify thousand properties. It's a
lot of it. It's a big complex exercise. But today

(06:36):
lots of checking and no further so we've all.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Got the rates bill has landed in out in boxes
or our letter boxes or whatever last week or thereabout.
If we want to double check it ourselves. Is there
a simple calculation that we can do just to be sure?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
It brings me a complex I guess calculation how it
all works. I guess you can go on the website
and look at the rates and the domin but the
keep it in terms of the errors that we've seen,
it's about those number the number of units. So if
you've just got a single property, if you've seen more
than one charge, if you're seeing three or four rubbish
collections or three or four numberless is three times this

(07:14):
or four times this, then that could be mistakes. I
don't think it's very many of those. Hypothetically, if you're
starting with se multiple charges, that could be an indication
that that that era has occurred. So that we're the
key thing to look at jug you fether things to
look at. The valuation notices that have gone out previously.
Is at the right rating valuation been applied, No reason
to think that it might not be. But it's the

(07:35):
functioning of the rates and the dollar all of those
charges that are published on website applied to the property,
the number of units and the value of that property.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Right, Ross, thank you so much, appreciate your time. Ross
Tucker Group Group chief financial Officer at all Can Council
here that the number of mistakes in the maths workbooks
is about the same number you can find on an
average day and stuff with the Herald. At least they
got found and corrected in the workbooks. Actually, suddenly enough,
I've got a lot of text telling me off even
talking about this. Let's talk about it in just a minute.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
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Speaker 3 (08:13):
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Speaker 1 (08:18):
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Speaker 3 (08:22):
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Speaker 6 (08:27):
I don't think they're taking or they've opened a book
on the amount of sex toys that be thrown at
the WNBA. It's just going to talk about three and
seven days. You'd think possibly maybe they would open a book.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Not another one.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
We'll talk about it before you do.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
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Speaker 6 (08:48):
It's don't throw me in the briar patch. I don't
mention it and it'll stop happening.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, it's like doing it to keep on doing.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
You have two young children, don't touch the paint, never
work like that. Treat them like children. Suggest the positives,
don't have a crack the negatives anyway. Our rat bet responsibly,
of course with the tab that is the call behind that.
If you want to have a look, I think that
at the moment, I'll be looking at long term betting.

(09:18):
Because Tasmum were outrageous favorites to win the NPC itself.
Now that's not quite as favor as it used to be.
It's still up there. It's still three dollars seventy five
to win the whole thing. But if you start looking
back through your personal teams and it just gives you
something to lean on for the whole season, you know this,
see back burn. It's not going to give you instant
joy straight away unless you're North or South and they're

(09:40):
both paying one hundred and fifty.

Speaker 7 (09:42):
One dollars to win.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
So maybe it wouldn't go along those lines. But Canterbury
four to fifty, bay or twenty five bucks, Tartannaki seven,
Wellington hawks Bay eight bucks, why it all ten dollars,
Auckland thirteen dollars, So it is long term, but it's
one that smolders and you get to all the end
of the season. Actually, hold on, did I put a
sneaky ten bucks on those guys to it and see

(10:03):
how it goes? That's my idea, bit responsibly before you
get anab.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, okay, So Richard Muwanga has signed. There is no
why is this even news? It's not a surprise, is it.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
Maybe it's the length of the contract and what he
is going to be able to do when he comes
back more than anything.

Speaker 8 (10:18):
It it's two years, no.

Speaker 7 (10:20):
Year and a half.

Speaker 6 (10:21):
Now, what it does is it falls foul of what
the ends are have got as far as their rulings
with overseas players and how long they commit for as
to how many sabbaticals they get.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
It's how does it fall foul?

Speaker 6 (10:35):
You've got to be playing for a particular amount of
time before you get a particular amount of time off
to go over the sabbatic And I think they've got
a length on it because it's only a year and
a half. They're not overleaking. But it's their law, all right.
They're the boss, then do what they want.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
So did we not just yesterday discuss the Handsome One
in Japan and the rules being bent for him, and
then we find out today that the rules being bent
for the hands and One in Japan.

Speaker 6 (10:58):
Well, rules are there to be broken, aren't they.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
But come on, Darcy, are you not getting are you
not getting convinced that we're headed the way of Australia,
like I was saying yesterday.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Heading in the way?

Speaker 6 (11:09):
Yeah, abbs heading the way possibly, but it's how fast
we traverse the terra firma between now and then. The
interesting thing here for me is Richie's going to come back.
It looks like he's not gonna be able to play
the end of the Super season when he arrives back
at twenty twenty six. I believe there are some rulings

(11:30):
again around the amount of games you had to play
before you can rejoin the team going into finals time.
So we'll be playing NPC for Canterbury. He will get
a couple of games to the All Blacks and the
end of season two, although it'd be nice to get
him back earlier. It's going that South African tour. We
will see. Then he's got a season of Super Rugby
there and then it's the big fight. It's the Showdown.

(11:51):
It's the twenty twenty seven Super Rugby Showdown. Damian McKenzie,
Reuben Love, Richie Muwanga, Bowden Barrett, who puts the most
down on that season, say I've got the jersey for
the World Cup because I don't think you want to
go giving the role.

Speaker 8 (12:06):
To take on.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
See is this not already locked in the fact that
they have chased him as hard as they have Does
that not say to you that when he comes back
for body who Yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
Mike Meggas. Problem with that though, is if you start
planning so far ahead and down the track, your hamstring yourself.
And that's what I've loved about South African rugby. They go, right,
we've got eight weeks, let's go, what can we do?
And they drag the best together at the time and
they played if you're committed to someone because you've resigned them,
that says it seems a bad message to the other

(12:34):
people competing for that Jesus that it was no point,
so it needs to be competitive. And Boden Barrett, someone
said to me he's too old to be thirty six
or thirty seven age number number Martin who's still playing.
He probably couldn't be an all black but still playing
top fourteen.

Speaker 9 (12:50):
So I think he looks.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
After himself and he's shown the way he's bounced back
with the damim ok. Fine, I'm going to go now
to I.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Was just like, if we're now talking about Martin who
we've got thing.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
To do, congratulations to my tangent.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
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of this weird stuff.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
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Speaker 2 (13:11):
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Speaker 1 (13:16):
Aw, it's hither Duplessy on drive with one New Zealand,
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Speaker 3 (13:24):
Get real Darcy, there's monger than there's daylight, and then
there's a little bit more daylight between him, him and
the next best, which will be Rayhanna, who smoke both
Barrett and d Mac In the final series. Richie walks
into the Abies on his terms, Goose, I am with you. Also,
I'm loving the fact that your nickname is Goose. Apparently
now Chris Hopkins, who I tried it, I've been I

(13:45):
sort of had a half hearted attempt at getting the
fricking Chris Hipkins thing going, but I don't think anybody
got the joke. It was just me and Luckson. Me
and Luxon got that joke. Nobody else did, So I'm
just going to drop it anywhere. But just back to
calling him Chippy out. Chippy has given a speech in
Queenstown to the Business Chamber and said all of the
things that are just going to drive you completely nuts.
I don't know what's wrong with this guy, but it's
like it's like he didn't learn from last time. Chippy

(14:08):
is selling the CGT. I don't know if you caught
up on this, but at the weekend there was some
insight from one of the columnists who's connected with the
Labor Party that they had a bit of a vote
on whether they were going to go with a capital
gains tax or a wealth tax because the third option
doing neither of them is not an option for them.
They have to do some sort of a tax. So
they were like CGT, well, capital gains tax or wealth
tax on capital gains tax? Yeah, that I think New

(14:30):
Zealand's ready for it now, No, we're not, but anyway,
just keep trying flog that dead horse. Anyway, So Chippy
came out after the Business Chamber of speech and talked
about it, said the reason that he's going to push
for the capital gains tax is that it would decrease
the incentive for people to put their wealth into the
housing market. Have you had a look at what's happening
with housing? That ship has sailed nobody. What are they

(14:53):
talking about, well, to take the steam out of their
airs market? Is there's no steam in the housing market yet?
Fools anyway, Also and then he said this is my favorite.
But then he said New Zealand's self imposed debt limits
have made it one of the most fiscally conservative countries
in the countries in the world. As if what he's
saying there is we need to take on more debt, mice,
that is not a good idea. We are paying eleven

(15:15):
billion dollars at the moment a year just an interest
on debt. We do not need to take on more debt.
But hey, nobody's ever accused Chris Hopkins and the Labor
Party of understanding how an economy works. News is next.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
We can fly away, steal out and make a decision,
leave to nine eleven, die this way, recamping the day's
big news and making tomorrow's headlines it's hither duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Let's get connected news dogs.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
That'd be when I told Judith of that.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
So can you comp heither?

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Have you read Treasuries report in HEROLD, read the spending
in COVID they advised labor against successive spending? Yeah, actually
we are going to talk about it. This is a
pox on both houses. By the way, this is not
bad for labor, great for national It's basically bad for
both of them. I'll run you through those details shortly. Heather,
you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
This is really the errors in the textbooks. They will

(16:16):
always creep in. Now, I like to be honest, I
actually agree with you. When you first read about it,
you think, how on earth did you make these mistakes?
Because some of the mistakes are so fundamental. Right, they've
got they've got the number four and they call it rua. Now,
if you've done basic like if you've been to Kindi
in New Zealand, you know that Tahua Rua is two
and four as far right, So that's a basic era. Also,

(16:38):
it looks like there's a triangle there, or there's a
picture of a rectangle, and they call it a triangle.
There's some really really basic errors in there, and it
does make you think, oh, dear God, what are we
dealing with? But then when you think about it a
little bit more deeply, it's yearbooks. It's maths workbooks for
six different year levels, right, year three, four, five, sixty seven, eight,
And there's only eighteen mistakes. So we're talking about three

(16:59):
mistakes per year level. That's hardly anything. So anyway, we'll
talk to the primary principles about it in an hour's time, because,
like you, I am not getting myself terribly exercised about it.
Jason Wills is going to do politics for us today.
Murray Olds are standing by right now. It's twenty four
away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
It's the world wires on news talks every drive.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Donald Trump says Steve Whitcop's meeting with Russian President Putin
was very productive. Apparently it wasn't quite productive enough, though,
because Trump has also slapped a twenty five percent tariff
on India for buying Russian oil. Ukrainian officials are calling
for even tougher sanctions on Russia.

Speaker 10 (17:32):
It is possible to buy past sanctions. This is a reality,
but to do nothing is not an option. Sanctions are needed,
they need to be strengthened.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
New South Wales MP Gareth Ward says he should be
allowed to remain in the State Parliament even though he's
just been convicted of sex offenses. So he's been found
guilty of one rape charge and three counts of indecent
assault against two young men, but he reckons that's not
grounds for him to be expelled from parliament. Here's what
the New South Wales two General thinks for.

Speaker 11 (18:00):
That he's been found guilty and exhausted all these appeals
for one of the most disgusting crimes in the history
of Australia. And I'm absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for that man.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Muzzle that shortly and finally a Moroccan man is in
a lot of trouble because what he did was he
used the Eternal Flame at the Term of the Unknown
Soldier in Paris to light as Sigi. He was caught
on video. He stepped over the chain around the war
memorial just casually lit up as horrified onlookers watched. He's
been arrested. He's probably going to lose his French residency

(18:33):
permit as a result.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
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Speaker 3 (18:41):
Murray Old Olsy correspondents with me now.

Speaker 12 (18:43):
Hey muster India.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
So is Gareth Wood? Has he just completely lost the
plot here? Has he?

Speaker 12 (18:49):
Well? His argument and it's being put this afternoon by
his lawyer. He says, listen until my appeal is heard.
The appeal process has heard and has concluded. I am
entitled to remain a member of the New South Wales Parliament.
He's currently in jail, as you say, very serious sex
offenses against a couple of young men. He went to

(19:12):
jail straight away last week with bail was revoked, so
he's been in jail for a week now. The Parliament
can't under the constitution, the Parliament can't punish him, heber,
that's not allowed. But the Parliament can seek to preserve
its dignity by expelling MPs who are convicted of pretty
serious crimes. That's what the government wants to do and

(19:34):
it's got bipartisan support. But at Gareth Ward's lawyer went
to the Supreme Court on Tuesday this week and sought
an adjunction. Successfully sought an injunction to prevent the Parliament
considering emotion along those lines to kick him out at once.
So he's in jail, probably in protective custody, still collecting
around a quarter million dollars a year in salary. And

(19:56):
he says he's entitled essay as an MP until he
has had his appeal has been heard.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
OK, fair enough, I suppose, I suppose what do you
make of this plan about GST.

Speaker 12 (20:07):
Well, look, on the surface, it looks to be pretty smart,
but Albany, but the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi, you know,
he says it won't be considered in a nutshell right,
The GST has been ten percent forever, ever since it
came in about twenty five years ago. The government has
an economic roundtable later this month. Unions, business leaders all invited.
Now a new suggestion from an economist, raise the GST

(20:31):
to fifteen percent, right up from ten to fifteen percent,
and taking items that currently are exempt like fresh food,
like childcare, like education, like help and utilities as well.
These are exempt from the GST. Now, the sums look
pretty ighwatering. It would raise over ninety billion dollars a year.
But here's the thing. If you raise that says this

(20:51):
economist's plan, you'd have to provide offsets. Every taxpayer would
get around three and a half thousand dollars in rebates,
which would eliminate the impact of the higher GST on
the first twenty two to twenty three thousand dollars of
everyone's annual income, which would help young people starting out
in the workforce. You wouldn't be paying as much income
tax and never get young people earn less, but they

(21:14):
still paid a disproportioned the amount of income tax. But
Albanezy just I don't know what the problem is. He's
got ninety four seats in the lower House of Federal Parliament.
The opposition is fifty seats behind. If he's not going
to do it now, he'll never do it because he's
got the perfect opportunity with a margin like that, have
some courage, have some testicular fortitude and say we're going

(21:37):
to have tax reform here. We need it because you
can't keep relying ever, relying on income tax, just not
going to work.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
As you see, Albaneze has come out and defended justin
to Alan for the working from home idea.

Speaker 12 (21:49):
Well, look at a labor it's a labor thing, you know,
workers have to have. I mean, look, I'm a labor voter,
you know that. But the right to work from home
isn't the spotlight over here. Property Canstrades said, listen, we've
got all this vacant office space in downtowns all over
the country. The vacancy rates and some of the high

(22:09):
rise buildings in our CBDs ever are at the thirty
year high three zeros they have them in is high
for thirty years fifteen percent plus in some cb details
worse than some pockets of Melbourne. Now look, the cb
details are making a slow comeback, but you know from COVID.
COVID destroyed businesses. We all know people work from home

(22:30):
and people got used to it. They quite liked working
from home. The Property Council says, listen, employers have to
get workers back into these offices because property council are
losing money and the Victorian governments confirmed it's going to
actually legislate to guarantee the right of employees to work
from home two days a week. The bosses are saying,
you're out of your mind. The Property Council is saying, listen,

(22:52):
we need we need the revenue to keep on adding
to the office space. Because the economy isn't going to
stand still. Interesting to see where this one's going to land.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Mars Appreciate your time, Murray Old's Australia correspondent. E Road
We need to talk about E Road. E Road's share
price jump twenty five percent yesterday. E road is a
company that's based in Auckland that does rucks for trucks electronically.
Does that something that sound like something we've just been
talking about. We have just been talking about as of yesterday,
the fact that every single one of us in this

(23:22):
country is going to stop paying the petrol tax and
we're going to start paying the rucks the road user
charges electronically. So why has E roads share price jumped?
Because they can already do this thing that we need
them to do for the entire country. So yesterday when
Chris Bishop announced it, E Road's shares went from one
dollar fifty five to two dollars. They are going to
be with us after six to it because we've got
a lot of questions, I mean, having you, I've got

(23:43):
a lot of questions about this, like is your car
equipped for it already? What if your car I mean
if you bought a car yesterday or last year something.
It probably as equipped for it. I'd imagine all the
modern cars can do all these fancy things because they
have to be able to go around the world to
do fancy things. But what about if you're still driving
a two thousand and five Jeep Rank that has mold
growing on the inside. It probably needs a little bit

(24:03):
of souping up. Do you know what I mean to
be able to do these kinds of things? In which case,
now how much you're gonna have to pay for it?
So anyway, it feels to me like all of the
questions cross Bishop can't answer, Eeroad may be able to am.
They're going to be with us after six Politics is
next seventeen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
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Speaker 3 (24:21):
But I'll run you through that Treasurer report on COVID
era spending shortly. Right now, it's fourteen away from five
and Jason Wall's new storage z'd be's political editors with us. Hello, Jason,
good afternoon. Hother what is the red tape that David
Seymore's cutting?

Speaker 13 (24:34):
Now, well, i'll tell you what this is a very
David Seymour slash Heather Dupless clan thing because it seems
like you guys are the only two people in the
country that are interested in this apart from me, So I'm.

Speaker 9 (24:44):
Glad that you picked up on this.

Speaker 14 (24:45):
New Zealand's labeling regime is driving up prices and limiting
wage growth. That's according to David Seymour. He also says
New Zealand's product labeling requirements are made up of thirty
different codes, standards and regulations. In this, he says, is
leading to costs for businesses to label their products to
comply with New Zealand export standards. So what's he doing Well,

(25:08):
He's saying that exports export is facing extra compliance costs
preparing products for overseas markets while consumers miss out on
the global goods because of importers are facing different laboring
or labeling requirements. And he's saying that he's going to
make some changes. Businesses like chemist warehouses have been He
says they have been a game changer for kiwis purchasing

(25:31):
cheaper pharmaceutical products. However, they tied up in excessive labeling requirements,
adding costs to their operations. So David Seymour and he's
been moving today with Scott Simpson as well to make
some various different changes on those to change the regulations.
So this all comes back to David Seymour. He's been
fighting regulations, he's been fighting red tape, and this is

(25:52):
just kind of another one on the wrong of the
ladders that David Seymour has been trying to get through
across the line.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
So actually said what he wants to take out of
the labels change about the labels.

Speaker 14 (26:01):
Well, I'll tell you what I've been reading through this
all day, and I've been a little bit kind of
almost confused about it in the way that I would
like love to give you a little bit more information
about it, but I actually it's a little bit complex
in this stage. And it looks like he says that
the review is expected to be completed by December twenty
twenty five, so we've got a couple more months to
wait for this one.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
The reason I'm asking you this question is because when
I looked at it, it looked to me completely devoid
of detail here, like it was basically saying this is
what we're going to do. We can't tell you what
we're gonna gonna do because we're going to have a
look at what we're gonna do, in which case, why
are you announcing it? Only announce it when you actually
know what you're going to do.

Speaker 14 (26:36):
Well, that was my entire thought about it as well,
which was I thought, like, you know, we can have
a chat about it this afternoon, But I was kind
of confused about what you wanted to know about it
because I didn't have any more information.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
About what we're exactly to say. Tell me if I'm wrong,
please and being unfair, But are we not in exactly
the same situation with this labeling announcement as we were
last week with Brook van Velden's scaffolding announcement, in that
they're both announcing nothing.

Speaker 14 (26:59):
Yeah, I mean, this is exactly what I thought on
this whole thing, And this is why when I read
it and we were talking about it this morning with
my news team, it was like, well do we even
cover this because I don't know what this is. I mean,
I read you through basically what was on the press release, right,
and I don't know what happens next apart from he's
thinking about doing some things in December twenty twenty five.
And this is what David Seymour kind of has to

(27:20):
worry about at the stage in his tenure as Deputy
Prime Minister. It's just announcing things, saying we're going to
get them across the line at some point, but we're
just giving you drip feeding bits of information here and there.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
But I don't think this is isolated to David Seymour.
I'm seeing this across across the coalition government actually and
a particularly national in Act that they keep on. They
announce little things and then they re announce them, and
then they re announced them, and they're announcement every point
of the process. Now, is this not exactly the same
thing that we got annoyed with with Jasin Dada.

Speaker 14 (27:49):
At the old announcing of announcing the announcement of announcement. Yeah,
and I absolutely think it is. And I think that
they need to be worried about falling into the same
trap because as you did, I looked at this press
and I was just reading through the sort of the
highlights there and I was like, there's nothing in this
that a regular New Zealand who is reading the news
needs to actually know about. This isn't something that people

(28:10):
need to know about. And I think David Seymour and
the ACT Party and the government as a wider institution
needs to worry about these things because people will cotton
onto the fact that just a press release alone it
doesn't mean you're doing something.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Yep, thank you. Okay, So how was the Maori Party
and ACT teaming up?

Speaker 14 (28:25):
This is good because so it's an interesting segue, going
for something that means essentially nothing to something that is
actually a little bit more grounded in reality. So I've
been on about this for quite some time. Laura McClure,
who is an ACT Party MP, she submitted a member's mill,
a member's bill to essentially outlaw or to make it
illegal to have non consensual AI porn been made of

(28:48):
people across the country, and she has been she put
this in the members Bill and she's been really wanting
to get it across the line. Of course, you and
I know that a member's bill means absolutely not unless
it's drawn from the biscuit tin. However, there is a
process where you can essentially get it out of the
biscuit tin and put it on the government's agenda if

(29:09):
you get enough people across the line who are non
executive members of Parliament, that is, non ministers. Now ACT
have actually got the most unlikely of partners across the line,
Tea Party Mahty Hannah Rapati Mighty Clarke is working with
Laura McClure to get this bill out of the Biscuit
tin and onto the government's agenda. Now we're not quite

(29:30):
there yet. We need quite a few more MPs to
sign up to this. But this is I mean, you
don't see ACT and Tea Party Marty getting along this
well very often at all at Parliament, in Parliament full stop.
So I think this is a really good start for
a bill that I think is genuinely quite a good
piece of legislation. Paul Goldsmith I've talked to him about
this in the past and he says that there are

(29:52):
elements of the current legislation that which do dabble in
helping this sort of AI porn issue to be to
to be something that's dealt with from the police. But
Laura McClure has said that it actually doesn't quite get there.
So wait and see where this gets to. But I
think that the fact that you've got ACT and Tea
Party Marty joining sides is a pretty good indication to

(30:13):
the rest of Parliament.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
All right, Jason, thanks very much. Jason Wolves News talks
Thereb's political letter to eight away from five, putting the.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking.

Speaker 15 (30:22):
Breakfast planance Minister Nicola Willis is back. Will us wages
at two point four and now below inflation, we're going backwards.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Well, you're using a different measure.

Speaker 16 (30:29):
I use the average hourly yearning, which allows for the
fact that people get promotions and change job.

Speaker 15 (30:34):
That roads worth Nicola, this is you're too political again.
I'm just looking at the number. Two point four is
below the rate of inflation for the.

Speaker 17 (30:41):
Nasua you're using as a valid measure.

Speaker 18 (30:43):
The measure I'm referring to allows the fact that people
twitch off.

Speaker 15 (30:47):
Okay, we're going to run into trouble with each other again.

Speaker 12 (30:49):
We are.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
But you needs at least three.

Speaker 15 (30:50):
More cuts and they've undercooked this and that's not helping.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
You tell me I'm wrong.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
Well, every bank economist seems to agree with you.

Speaker 15 (30:56):
Mike back tomorrow at six am the mic hosking Breakfast
with my these real estate news talk z.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Be hither On the fencing off of Wellington Waterfront. We
fenced off the bank overlooking Lake Topel for safety concerns.
Two drunk people at Christmas still cross the fence and
foul down the bank, seriously breaking some bones. You can't
fence for stupid Julie. Thank you. We're going to have
a chat to Tim Brown, one of the Wellington City
councilors that, of course Wellington City councils, I'm told Infrastructure

(31:22):
Committee with the one who voted this down. Today's well
have a chat to them.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Treasury is put out a report. It's come out today.
It shows that government overcooked spending during the pandemic, against
official advice and thereby harmed the economy. So what happened?
What I think is the interesting thing here is the
number of times that they warned Grant Robertson to slow
it down, slow it downslow it down, stop and it
didn't stop.

Speaker 19 (31:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
So after the twenty twenty election, Treasury informed Grant Robinson
that there was adequate fiscal space to support the economic recovery.
So you can still keep going, you can still keep
giving money out if you need to. But told him
to control it, right, don't just don't just money hose it,
just do it carefully. Then we get to August twenty
twenty one. This is the start of the big lockdown
for Auckland. Treasury warns that any support to businesses should

(32:08):
take account of macroeconomic trade off. So what there saying is, yes,
you can support, but please think about inflation and everything
else that's going on here right think about it because
the stuff is going on. By Budget twenty twenty two,
which is the last is that the last budget he
does not it's the second last budget he does. Treasury
said it was recommending against any further stimulus, told him
to stop spending, and he didn't. Now, this will not

(32:29):
be a surprise to you that Grant Robertson turned on
that money hose and could not figure out how to
turn it off again. But this is the thing that
may surprise you. The briefing noted that five years on
from the beginning of the pandemic, as in now WISH
spending is still close to its pandemic era peak and
has only been partially offset by higher revenue. So you
already know that Grant knew how to spend and did spend,

(32:52):
But it may be a bit of surprise to you
to know that Nikoler knows how to spend and does
spend more than grant. So that's a bit of a problem,
right there, isn't it? Anyway We've got we haven't been
able to talk about it this entire show, but we've
got a bit of news on gas which is about
to hit. It's been embargoed until five o'clock and five
is approaching fast. I'm going to be able to tell
you about it after five.

Speaker 20 (33:13):
Hang by, questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you

(33:35):
trust for the full picture.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Heather Dupless on Drive with One New Zealand. Let's get
connected news talks.

Speaker 9 (33:43):
That'd be good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
One of the biggest names in New Zealand agriculture, Balance
is going to close its factory for four months because
of the price of gas. Balance produces one third of
New Zealand's nitrogen fertilizer. Its current gas contract runs out
in September and it hasn't secured a new deal yet.
Calvin Wick is the CEO at BALANCEE.

Speaker 8 (34:01):
Calvin, Okay, how are you going?

Speaker 3 (34:04):
I'm well, thank you mate. Listen. Can you not get
a deal at all? Or can you just not get
a good deal now?

Speaker 8 (34:08):
We just couldn't get a deal at affordable price that
we could make work.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
How much more were they charging you than what is affordable.

Speaker 8 (34:17):
We're within charges because we actually never got to reach
an agreement. But the bigger issue probably now is there's
just no supply available. The gas is gone elsewhere.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
So even if you wanted to take a deal, you
cannot because there is none.

Speaker 8 (34:30):
There's no supply that we can secure for long term basis.
Today we are hunting for short term gas, and if
we can find some short term gas, we'll use that,
but if we can't, then we'll be forced into a
short term shut.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, give me an idea of what we're talking about
here in terms of like what you were paying and
what you are looking at having to potentially pay now
if you do get gas.

Speaker 8 (34:51):
I suppose it's pretty commercially sensed this. But you can
see the gas prices in the market have gone up
considerably for all players. And our challenge is we can't
pass the is on easily. We have to meet an
international input price parry.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Okay, what happens after four months?

Speaker 8 (35:09):
So say we go from short term gas, it take
us for a period we go for a short term shut.
We need to have a long term supply agreement in
place at the end of that to give us some
satity to start up basically, and what if you can't,
then we'll be forced to either make a decision. Are
we going to wait longer because we can see a
line of sight to some gas, or otherwise we've forced
them to potentially permanence shut down or at least a

(35:31):
moth ball in the plant for a period that was
not on the card to the moment, But we have
to we have to.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah, how high are the chances of that happening.

Speaker 8 (35:40):
Ah, that's a difficult one to say. We think we
can get to see a line of sight to get
through the next year and then make a decision. And
the market is so dynamic at the moment it's hard
to know what the supply all the demand side is
going to look like in twelve months from today.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Okay, if you shut down in New Zealand, where do
you go?

Speaker 8 (35:56):
We have to win port fully, So at the moment
we produce one third of news to nice in your rear,
we can import the balance. But then New Zealand newses
all that resilience in local manufacturer for our for our
agriculture industry.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
You can't replace gas with anything else.

Speaker 8 (36:11):
No, you need gas it's the energy source and the
feedstot sort the way you rear is produced today. Yeah,
long term you can do full of entrification, but that's
that's sort of a ten year play, a lot of expense,
and you need a whole lot more renewable energy at
the front end as well.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Tel.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Then we can't go on like this as an economy.
What do we do?

Speaker 8 (36:30):
Yeah, that's one big challenge for New Zealands is if
we want to support our local manufacturing and our export industry,
we're going to need reliable, affordable energy. So yeah, we're
welcome to how we can encourage solutions and get some
systems in place to build that resilience.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, I mean, look, as you say, some things are
commercially sensitive, but what does what does four months mean
in terms of lost lost income for you guys, lost jobs.

Speaker 8 (36:53):
We're going to keep all the people on for that
four month period and that's the balance here, keeping the
staff engaged, being able to for for that period, and
then to look for a long term gas much longer
than that, it starts to become financially pretty straining for us.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
All Right, Calvin, thanks very much. Calvin Wickham, CEO of
Balanced agri nutrients.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Hever do for the ellens.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
There are worries about Saint John's plan to cut their
community services. Saint John's plans to pull community care as
PET their therapy services and remove from in hospital volunteers
from in hospital emergency departments. And Daniels is the president
of the New Zealand Nurses Organization and with us Hi an.

Speaker 18 (37:30):
Hi, how are you doing well?

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Thank you? Practically what is this going to do to eds?

Speaker 18 (37:37):
The fact is that we're absolutely hammered. Every single day
I get texts using the language has changed over the
last year or so. We've gone from any hours to
any hours. Desperate will take anything text for nursing staff.
So in that context, with the huge nursing stuff and

(38:02):
gaps and the unsafe work environment, we absolutely rely on
our friends of the Emergencies Department, Sint John's volunteers to
actually help us make sure that our patients are not
absolutely left in the corridor alone and thinking has everybody

(38:23):
forgotten me? They are doing an amazing job. They keep
people comfortable, they reassure them, they come and get us
if they think there's something going on. Without them, we
will be lost.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Do you think this is about money for St.

Speaker 18 (38:39):
John Well, Saint John's is denying that, and I have
to question that because even though these volunteers don't get paid,
there is an infrastructure costs and like everybody these days,
funding is less than it should be. And I susc

(39:00):
that's the same for Saint John's. But I can't say,
hand on heart, I know that for a fact. But
logic says that that is the problem.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
So if it is about money, then can it be
turned around? Do you think with donations?

Speaker 18 (39:15):
I don't think it should be. I actually think Saint
John's should be fully funded by the government to do
the job that they are doing right now. And we've
heard stories about Saint John's not being able to get
to people in time. We've heard stories about the ambulances
getting there too late, in people dying. But you know,

(39:37):
this is the Paige Saint John's workforce. There's not enough
of them. There are not enough ambulances out in the
rural area. Most of the stations of are manned by volunteers.
Are they also going to be cut? If they are,
that is going to be horrendous for our rural communities.

(39:58):
And when we've got a government saying that's standing up
for reducing and eliminating a post code lottery. Well, I
can't see it happening, and.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
I really appreciate your time. Thank you. And Daniel's New
Zealand Nurses Organization President.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Heather duper Cela.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yes, Heather, but what is Nikola willis achieving with the
money as opposed to Grant Robertson. This is read the
Treasury report that's come out about the COVID spending, which,
by the way, we are still spending at the same
level that we were during COVID, all very close to
We'll talk to the huddle about that shortly. Also, if
you have been weirdly fascinated by how fascinated the media

(40:35):
are with school lunches, there's an interesting little yarn here
for me to tell you, and I'm going to do
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Speaker 2 (41:31):
Heather Duplessy whether the.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Previous government is utterly shafted businesses around energy supply and
they're still actively talking about rebanning Yip, Yep, they're talking
about it, talked about it again yesterday. The band's still
coming from labor eighteen past five. Now common sense has
prevailed in Wellington today Wellington City Council has voted down
a planned to fence off most of the waterfront at
Queen's Wolf and Kumutoto around the TSB Area. Councilor Tim

(41:53):
Brown is the chair of the Environment and Infrastructure Committee
and with us right now, Haye.

Speaker 17 (41:57):
Tim, good evening.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Did you vote it.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Down because I felt that we had met our responsibilities
and respective safety by spending the vicinity of eight million
dollars to improve the lighting around the waterfront and a
number of other initiatives, and that the best thing for
us to in terms of, as you said, common sense approach,

(42:21):
was to sit back and have a look at the
effective of what we've already done before we do what,
before we decide if we need to do something additional.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah, see if the lights work. Basically, what did you
make of the fact that the officials wanted you guys
to rush this through without talking to the public first.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
I think they were taking a very very, very risk
averse approach, you know, which is reasonable because I mean
public servants are both local and central, are not paid
to take risks, and so they were taking a very
very low risk approach, which of course would molly coddle
us to the maximum possible extent. And that's the road

(43:02):
cone problem that we all constantly encounter. So I mean,
it was perfectly reasonable for them to actually do that,
but I think that's where we had to apply a
slightly different lens.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
So do you think that, I mean, are you of
the view that there is a balance to be struck
here between Yeah, a reasonable amount of safety, but also
personal responsibility.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
Not necessarily, I didn't really look at the personal responsibility thing.
I don't think that's a contributing factor to the thinking
I think it is. It is very much a case
of saying, we've spent, as I say, about eight million
dollars improving the safety of the waterfront. Let's see if
what the effect of that is. I mean, we're not
we don't really we're not taking into account why people

(43:45):
fall into the sea.

Speaker 12 (43:47):
You know.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
It's but if they still continue to fall into deceive
even if we've now lit the place very well, then
a obviously have to do something differently. Oh okay, it's
just it's not just about lighting. I mean, we've also
got things like CCTV. If we see behavior that is
reckless or risky, we're not going to say, oh my goodness,
these people are reckless. Therefore that's a tough luck. We're

(44:09):
still going to be very concerned about anybody who might
end up in dangering themselves.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Tim, it's good to talk to you. Thank you, Tim Brown,
Wellington City councilor five twenty.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Informed inside into today's issues. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks they'd been.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Five twenty three.

Speaker 18 (44:28):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Here's what I took away from yesterday's release of the
annual report of the Grocery Commissioner. We need to get
rid of the grocery Commissioner. I have no beef. I mean,
I don't want this to be seen for me having
a beef with Pea Vanhead and himself. I don't. I
just have a beef with his job because he and
his team are costing us more than seven million dollars
a year even though they cannot fix the supermarket problem.
He admits this himself. He told us yesterday on the

(44:50):
show he does not have the tools to get the
supermarket sect disorted quickly, in which case, what is he
actually there for. I mean, the best that he can do,
by the looks of things, is exert long term pressure
through huge reports like the one he delivered yesterday. Reports
like that are close to pointless for you and I,
we're not going to read them. They end up with
all the other reports floating around the internet wasting space

(45:10):
completely unread. The only reason reports like that exist is
to justify something, so someone like Nichola Willis can pop
up in a few weeks time like she plans to
and announce that she's doing XYZ to supermarkets and then
quote the most damning things in this report is justification
that I'm sorry, is not a reason to keep a
seven million dollar a year outfit going. If you want
to report to justify what you're doing, then commissioner report,

(45:32):
it's a one off cost. You don't have to keep
a job going at the cost of seven million dollars
a year for decades in order to justify what you're
about to do. As far as I can see, the
most effective action against supermarkets in the last wee while
has actually been the charges that have been laid over
misleading pricing and anti competitive behavior that has happened under
laws that existed before the Grocery Commissioner. They were laid

(45:55):
by the Commas Commission, which is an outfit that existed
before the Grocery Commissioner, which leads you to the conclusion
that you do not need the grocery.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Commissioner together do to see Allen.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
By the way, By the way, the tariffs kicked in
one hour and twenty five minutes ago, didn't they. So
we're in the thick of it now. People were going
at it fifteen percent come in our way. Now, here's
a little interesting insight into at least one media outlet's
obsession with school lunches. Because I'm sure you know, we're
probably all looked at this and gone, wow, that's a

(46:27):
lot of interest in why are you still talking about Wow,
we've moved on from the school lunches, you're still talking
about it. Yeah, here might be why. Turns out the
reporter at the Press in christ Church who has been
going really hard on the school lunch's story, may have
been going really hard on the school lunch's story because
of what her previous job was. Her previous job was
working as the director of communications for Health Coalition alts

(46:50):
HEAT or that's the outfit that's the one harping on
all the time about the school lunch. As they hate
the school lunch, as they hate David Cemore. It's just terrible.
The whole thing is terrible. She used to work for them.
Now I'm not going to name her because I don't
like the idea of I don't like the idea of
kind of like getting everybody to troll somebody. So you
don't need to know that. But what you need to
know is that she left the job at the Health

(47:10):
Coalition Altsia at or in April. While she was there,
she was posting things on Twitter like the government has
sunk to a new low with today's announcement that they
will replace high quality and blah blah blah, you know,
like just hating on the government. So she left that
job in April, went straight to stuff, started reporting on
school lunches example, So I went through. I thought it
can't have been that many. Yep, serious concerns. Officials urged

(47:35):
school lunch firms be dumped before one hundred and seventy
million dollar deal million. Next story, millions of aluminium school
lunch trays heading to landfill. Next story, Ministry of Education
opens tender for new three dollar primary school lunches contract.
Next story, school lunch numbers down as students reject bland meals.
Next to youse boring and David cmol withhold school lunch criticism,
but shared the praise. Next story, and this one's from today,

(47:56):
school leaders welcome official probe into school lunch program. With
all of that, what was that like six stories that
was just in the last month, so old mates prolific
and obviously got something going on. Anyway, now you have
an idea of maybe why some at least there is
some media obsession with it, because well there's a connection
right there. This, by the way, this particular case went

(48:16):
to the Media Council. The complaint was that this particular
reporter had done a story left David Seymour comment out
of the story, which shows a lack of balance, and
that she should have disclosed that she had previously basically
been in a job that was anti school lunches. The employer,
the press didn't think that was necessary. They thought journalists
can be impartial. I think we can see that that's
not the case. The Media Council upheld the complaint. But

(48:38):
this is the kind of stuff I would argue that
makes people not trust the media anymore. What do you
think he's us?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Next? We can dance. We can dance on that.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
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Speaker 2 (48:59):
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Speaker 3 (49:08):
Right for puddle standing by Phil Goff and Jordan Williams.
This evening after six o'clock, we're going to speak to
E Road. Remember, these are the guys who are probably
going to be the most likely going to be the
ones rolling out the system where we pay the road
user charges instead of the petrol tax. Right now, it's
twenty five away from six now. There are mistakes in
the new math's workbooks from the Ministry of Education. Some
of these were quite frankly absolute clangers. A question for

(49:30):
the year seven's incorrectly referred to rectangles as triangles, and
one answer in a book for the year force was
listed as oney twenty four when it was supposed to
be nine eight hundred and seventy five. Lucy Naylor as
Auckland Primary Principals Association President, who's met with the Ministry
today to discuss this. Hey, Lucy, hi Header, some of
the stuff sounds really dumb, but eighteen errors in workbooks

(49:52):
for six different year groups probably isn't that bad, right
look at I think.

Speaker 16 (49:57):
It's a small number of errors give and that you're dealing.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
With four providers.

Speaker 9 (50:03):
Across eight years.

Speaker 16 (50:05):
Of learning, there's no doubt that those ers shouldn't have ocurred.
But I also think it's probably reflective of the pace
of change that the providers had to produce the resources.
The other point I would say as well is that
given the math resources have been given free to schools

(50:27):
by the government, it kind of outweighs the errors. Yeah,
you know, the additional support definitely outweighs the number of
errors at this point. Another point as well is that
the math resources are a very small part of a
math program roughly, but it should be about five percent
of your math program is made up of using the resource.

(50:50):
So look, while it's you know, obviously not ideal, I
don't think in the long term it's going to make
a massive amount of impact. I think there've been minimum
long term impact of this, and I believe I think
I'm right in saying that the errors have been corrected already.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Yeah, so you had a meeting today with the Ministry
of Education. What was the point of that?

Speaker 16 (51:13):
That was actually a meeting around reporting to parents and
unpacking different aspects of.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Reporting to parents. Okay, how fast did these guys have
to prepare these books if they made such, you know,
basic errors.

Speaker 14 (51:28):
I couldn't.

Speaker 16 (51:29):
I don't know the specifics of the timeline, but the
IRIFP was put out in about November last year, so
it was quite a quick turnaround. And if you think
of the volume that those providers were having to publish.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
That's a lot of books.

Speaker 16 (51:47):
Yeah, so I guess what, are we surprised there's a
few errors? Probably not, but I do think that, look,
it is reflected with that pace of change, but across
the volume of reesel that was produced, it's fairly small.
And yeah, the minimal there will be absolutely minimal long
term impact for those children.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Lucy, Thanks very much, Lucy Naylor. Auckland Primary Principles Association
Presidents coming up twenty two away from six the.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
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Speaker 3 (52:19):
On the Huddle of me this evening we have Jordan
William's Taxpayers Union and Phil GoF, former Auckland mayor, former
High Comissioner to the UK, former Labor Party Captain minister.
Hello you too, Hello Jordan. Should Wellington build a fence
around its waterfront.

Speaker 21 (52:33):
Well, it should at least consult with the public on
it to see that. For once common sense broke out
at Wellington Council. Look at your real issue was worried
about drunken politicians jumping into the water in the middle
of the knife and something bad happening. Surely be chief
you just put a fence around a council and round
the waterfront.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
In all serious notes, seriousness, Phil, there have been a
number of young people especially who have got a on
the raz and ended up in the drink and not
survived right, And so it is a risk. The question
is if you can be blunt about it, The question
is do you fence off the entire thing and ruin
it for everybody? Because about seven people have died in
the space of.

Speaker 19 (53:13):
Twenty years, Yeah, I think there's I went back and
just checked the records on that one. There's been nine
deaths and three that were almost deaths. So you're talking
about a significant number of people, some no doubt reflecting
the fact that there are a lot of bars around
that part of the world. But you know, people do
stupid things. That doesn't mean to say you want them

(53:34):
to die as a result of it. Some were quite
elderly and simply had an accident, fell off. I think
they're not fencing the whole of the thing and what
the paper went up to the council to do. But
the Kuma Toto and the Queen's warf area. I know
it used to wander down there, you know during the
dinner break sometimes you get a bit of fresh air
from the stale atmosphere of Parliament. Look, I think almost

(53:57):
inevitably they'll have to put the fence in. Should they consult?

Speaker 8 (54:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (54:02):
Yeah, no, I looked you You imagine you imagine what
the consequences were if somebody fell off that and died tomorrow,
and you had ignored a coroner's clear direction that there
was an urgent need to remedy a safety problem that
had caused nine deaths and since two thousand and six
and nearly caused others. You wouldn't have a leg to

(54:23):
stand on if you ignored that recommendation and that death toll.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Do you think children that it's an inevitability?

Speaker 2 (54:31):
No, no, I don't.

Speaker 21 (54:32):
I'm interested of that number. How many of those deaths
related to people climbing the crane old crane things that
a beautiful, old historic when you count stop couldn't stop
people climbing over to climb.

Speaker 19 (54:55):
Of course it wasn't. Yeah, of course it wouldn't stop that.
And I don't and I don't think. I don't think
that the guy that jumped off the crane, which was
an act of total stupidity, is included in that death
that death total. I'd have to go back and check,
but there were a couple of people that simply slipped
off the edge. It's fairly narrow, as you know down there.

(55:18):
There's a lot of traffic on it, bike, skateboarders, the
whole lot, and there's a clear risk. So you know,
it's funny that you have to fence your swimming pool.
I don't have kids anymore, but I have to have
a fence around the swimming pool. And I don't gristle
about that.

Speaker 17 (55:33):
You know.

Speaker 8 (55:33):
That's the way it is.

Speaker 19 (55:34):
And there are a lot of kids that did die,
and you get visitors from time to time. But we've
got a clear area where there are a lot of
fatalities and it's not just a one off. Yeah, it's
common sense that you need to do something about it.

Speaker 21 (55:47):
Man, it's a huge rightly champion public access onto the
Auckland waterfront, not the text thasum. But my business is
actually based down on Queens Wild sorry, Princess Wharf, and
that is a working port. Were regularly reminded you couldn't
possibly put a fence around there because you know, I

(56:10):
would mean that the port couldn't use it.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
How do you have it both ways.

Speaker 21 (56:14):
Or balance that between public access versus an inner city
port with the benefit that brings.

Speaker 19 (56:20):
Yeah, well you're not going to stop public access. You're
going to have public access there. Secondly, they're not necessarily
going to fence the whole area. They're going to fence
the area where there is a clear risk shine by
the fact there's been quite a number of fatalities as
well as a number of near misses, people that nearly died. So,
as you said, it is a matter of balance and

(56:40):
you have to balance those factors out. But if I
was making that decision, Look, I don't know what the
legal liability of the council would be if they fail
to act on a coroner's recommendation and then another couple
of people die. You know, and there are people down
there with kids, and the kids you know what kids
are like. The young kids. You don't have them on
a leash. They run around, They could fall into the water.

(57:03):
You I think you'd be at risk of something.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Fall in the water. You fished them out. Again, they
need to fall in the water to learn that you
can fall in the water.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (57:14):
Yeah, But the people that fell in the water went
fished out and they died. Three were fished out, nearly died.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
I was struck it by the kids. Hey, listen very quickly.
I just want to get your take on each of this,
right on this, each of your take, Sorry, Jordan. How
bad is it? Is there anything that we can do
to stop businesses shutting down and mothballing because of the
gas prices? How bad is it if there is nothing
we can do? Which is the situation we're in?

Speaker 21 (57:40):
I mean that's I mean we were witnessing the de industrialization.
I think that it was I think the most shocking
staff I've seen the last six months was it the
final quarter of last year. It came out in about
April electricity usage was down by eighteen percent. That wasn't
even in only twelve months, and that was not during
the peak squeat sorry, the winter squeeze. There is you

(58:04):
know the fact is a country that should have cheap
electricity and cheap power and cheap energy between, but all
sources of industrial heat is now incredibly expensive and there's
quite a long leading time with the stuff, and the
chickens are coming home to roast. I mean you feel
its domestic customers. It's quite a long lag effect. It

(58:26):
takes a few years to flow through. But you only
need especially you got kids and getting stupidly high electricity
bills to see it. Well that's industrial New Zella now
for a few years.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Yeah, totally, Phil. I want your take on it when
we come back from the break sixteen away from six the.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
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Speaker 3 (58:47):
Right, you're back with a huddle, Phil Golf and Jordan Williams. Phil,
what do you make of the situation with gas? Can
we do anything to stop this?

Speaker 19 (58:53):
Well, if you want a cheap generation, it's not going
to be by gas. Gas costs you about one hundred
and seventy dollars per mega. Water to generate wood is
about sixty to eighty and falling sols around sixty to
one hundred and ten and falling and a hydro and
probably're not going to do much more with hydro, but
geothermal is also another source. What's the problem with gas, Well,

(59:16):
you've got a declining domestic supply, the big fields of
Maoi and Pohukura are running out, and you've got international pressures,
you know, the sanctions on Russia, low dollar and all those.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
So are you men just fatalistic about what's happening with
these businesses? And no, there's nothing we can do.

Speaker 19 (59:37):
No, no, no, I'm not being fatalistic about it. I'm
saying you've got to look at alternative supplies of energy
generation other than gas, because gas is not the cheapest
and will never be the cheapest and has the other
problems associated with climate chure, you're self imposed.

Speaker 21 (59:51):
Come on, we're the only country in the world that's
reducing gas usage in favor of building up coal stocks because.

Speaker 8 (59:57):
We stopped the will and gas expiration.

Speaker 19 (01:00:00):
No, no, no, look at if you could your life. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I'm sure. And they don't have any vested interest in it.
But I do know this that we've signed up under
both both governments to emission's uh CARB and mission payments,
and they're going to become more and more expensive. We've signed,

(01:00:20):
We've tried, not what methods we've signed, We've signed treaties,
trading treaties where we've guaranteed that will meet what we've
set out and are obligated to meet, that will put
our trading relied them those things, that's those things are
serious issues. You can't ignore them. I went to a
lot of London last year with a climate change minister,

(01:00:40):
hard headed businessmen in the city of London, and they said,
you've got to do more to deal with the problems
of climate change because so many of your places will
become uninsurable unless you have adaptation and unless we do
the mitigation that we need to do.

Speaker 12 (01:00:54):
They're not they're not.

Speaker 19 (01:00:55):
Green, they're hard headed insurers and everybody.

Speaker 9 (01:00:58):
That's pay.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
And the side of the political spectrum you want. It's
not going to happen. We're not going to meet those targets.
All we can do is adapt. That's the truth.

Speaker 19 (01:01:08):
Well, well, we've taken action to make it sure that
we won't meet those targets. There are other things that
we could have done. You know, we all carry on
about China creating so much. China now has the best battery,
the best electric car supply, and dealing with their emissions problems.
We haven't shown the same We haven't shown the same determination.

(01:01:29):
And Donald Trump's course doing exactly the opposite.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
China's not a leading when it comes to what we
do with the climate. How very quickly, guys, Okay, Jordan,
how damning do you think it is that Treasury warned
Grant robertson multiple times to rain in the COVID spending
and he didn't.

Speaker 21 (01:01:44):
Well, yeah, I mean, what in fairness, neither has Nichola Willis?
You know, I mean, there's a percentage of the economy
of government's now bigger. We're borrowing at a faster rate
than when Grant Robinson leafed office. And you saw these
unbelievable public servet numbers out last week showing that the
bureaucracy is currently larger than it was when Labor left
left office. Yes, obviously, you know I would say that,

(01:02:07):
you know, it was outrageous that, you know, the rest
of the world turned off turned down the tap again,
and New Zealand didn't. But we're still turning it on harder.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
And Phil, how damning is it that Nichola Willis is
still spending as much as Grant Robertson did at the
height of the pandemic.

Speaker 19 (01:02:22):
Well, you can't quite not going on that's that's a fact.
But you know, just think back to what happened during COVID.
Every small business, every industrial group was lobbying the government
to do more to help them because they talked about
having to mass lay off and an almighty recession caused
by COVID and the measures taken to combat OVID.

Speaker 9 (01:02:43):
So it's wise.

Speaker 19 (01:02:45):
It maybe wise after the event. At the time, we
were pretty damn pleased that there were subsidies to keep
people employed and people with incomes and industry are going
rather than going bankrupt. So you want to think of
it in that context.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Jordan, did you want to correct me?

Speaker 21 (01:03:02):
Well, we're not spending at the very height of COVID.

Speaker 8 (01:03:06):
That would be yielding the lily.

Speaker 21 (01:03:08):
But the point is that the rest of the world
pulled back a lot harder. We're knowing near.

Speaker 8 (01:03:13):
Where we were pre COVID.

Speaker 21 (01:03:15):
And the fact is that the market is sending a
signal right now, a ten year bond.

Speaker 8 (01:03:21):
Yields higher than the UK.

Speaker 21 (01:03:23):
The colaxons are flashing, the government gets grief a so
called cuts the spending. It's actually only slowed down the growth.
You know, the government was elected to pull back and
it actually isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Guys. It is lovely to chat to the pair of you.
Thank you so much, Phil GoF Jordan Williams are huddle
eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Heather Balance has been trying to invest in wind turbines.
This is apropofil goth saying our gas is dead. You've
got to get the wind and the solar and the
rain and all the good stuff. Heather Balance has been
trying to invest in wind turbines near the Cuphoodie plant
for many years, but all the plans have been consistently
blocked by the local EWE. Deborah, thank you for that, Hither.
Oh actually this is for Jordan, Jordan. The fact is

(01:04:12):
New Zealand saved way more lives than anywhere else. What
price is a life for a thousand lives? Oh, dear God, Bill,
how many lives did we save? How many? Listen?

Speaker 8 (01:04:20):
Is it just me?

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Tell me if I'm wrong? But when I was reading
Jacinder's book She was going on about everything, everything that
she justifies in the books. She said, but we save
twenty thousand loves, but we save twenty thousand lives, but
we save twenty thousand loves. What was beatty? What was
the name of that one? Who is a Plank? Michael Plank,
the one of the number boy from Yeah, he who
crunched the numbers for COVID, didn't Michael Planks say when

(01:04:43):
he put his book out and went on Q and A,
he said, Nah, Saw and Handy that's who it was. Yeah,
sure with the cheeks, Jubby little checks Shawny Indy. When
he put out his book and he was on with
Jack on Q and A, he was going on, I
never said twenty thousand, So hang on to take care host, right?
Is it Sewna did the numbers? Who was like, No,
I never said twenty thousand. I don't know where that

(01:05:03):
came from. That wasn't real number? Or is it just
Inindo who's going twenty twenty thousand? Anyway, it is still
just apropos. What you said, Bill is still up. It's
still up for debate, isn't it. We're still trying to
figure out. I mean, there is a lot of contention
around how many lives we actually saved, So let's just
see I think it. We'll only figure this one out
in the long run. Hey, I've got an update for
your Murray Deeka's tree. This was the meeting that they

(01:05:26):
had yesterday, the council meeting. EWE didn't turn up to
the meeting. Two greenees did turn up to the meeting.
Five of the residents made submissions, so you've got a
higher proportion of people who want the tree gone than
people who want the tree to continue to lie on
the private property turning up to the meeting. In the
written submissions, thirty eight before removing the tree, two were

(01:05:46):
for keeping it lying on the grounds of an apartment complex.
So obviously the trees got to go. Because if it's
thirty eight to four removal and two against removal, I
think removal wins, don't you. Anyway, We're just waiting on
the council too. As Murray Old said, early find some
testicular fortitude in order to be mad in order to
make what they obviously considered to be a very difficult decision.

(01:06:09):
I've got another good piece of good news for you.
They've arrested another guy for bashing a baby. It's a
different baby. It's the difference to the one I was
talking about Yesterday's all of a sudden, We've got all
these arrests happening, and I'm very thrilled about it. Three
months old from wired it up. It was taken to
Masterton Hospital with critical injuries in July. Oh mate, I
think he's twenty three, so not that old. Was arrested
in Hawk's Bay yesterday. He's been charged with wounding with

(01:06:31):
intent to cause grievous bodily harm and contravening a protection order.
And one can only wish the best to him for
that court. And do you know what, I would thank
you to the police for letting us know. I'm sincerely
hoping the local media will cover this and we'll just
keep an eye on it, which keept talking about to say,
so we know what's going on with our babies. Talk
to air Road next us talk said.

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Speaker 12 (01:07:34):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
One of the lingering questions after yesterday's announcement on the
road user charges v petrol tax shakeup is how this
is going to work. Well, there's a key we company
called E Road based in Auckland. It's already delivering exactly
this for our trucking industry. Mark Heine is the co
CEO of E Road.

Speaker 17 (01:07:49):
Hey, Mark, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Mark explains to me how you guys do this.

Speaker 17 (01:07:55):
So look, Ebotechnology has been around for a number of
years a group and in the heappy vehicle space. So
to have eruck you need three things. One, you need
to know the distance.

Speaker 12 (01:08:06):
Travel by a vehicle.

Speaker 17 (01:08:07):
Seeking, you need a platform the collects that data and
enables payment for use of the roads. And finally need
that data connection. So those three elements correct this erruck
system to enable pain for use of the roads.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Right, So, if I have a new car, I imagine
reasonably no, Actually, let me imagine assume nothing. If I
have a new car bought it last year, Let's just
say what do I need to install?

Speaker 17 (01:08:31):
Look, many new cars already are connected. They already have
a SIM card and then so it's simply a matter
of an API.

Speaker 12 (01:08:36):
I've been switched on.

Speaker 17 (01:08:37):
Data flows through and you can make your payment straight away. Now,
as the Minister mentioned, they want it to be as
easy as paying for Netflix. The technology is already there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
To enable that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Okay, old car, old car, you.

Speaker 17 (01:08:47):
Need probably some aftermarket hardware. So if you've go to Sydney,
you see this all toll tags and vehicles just near
some of that. Something really unobtrusive, easy to install, collects
data and then transmit it back to the platform, and
you gain paid in credit easily, just like Netflix.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Of how much does that cost?

Speaker 12 (01:09:05):
So we're still.

Speaker 17 (01:09:05):
Working through with the government the pricing for that, but
our target is to get it as cheap as possible.
That toll tag and Sydney costs around forty dollars to buy.
We'd like to see something around that price, if not
lower than that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Can it be gained?

Speaker 17 (01:09:19):
Can it can be gained? Look for all these things,
you have robust technology and Tampa proof protections in them.
We've got one hundred and fifty thousand pieces of a
hardware out there. People aren't gaming them. It's pretty robust
and reliable.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
You can't wind the odometer backcutter cable do something like that.

Speaker 17 (01:09:36):
Not for the sort of technology. No, you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
How sure are you of that? Because you know we
find ways, don't we mark?

Speaker 17 (01:09:43):
Look, kerries are very creative and have a lot of ingenuity.
But a good thing is this relies on GPS technology.
It's fairly robust and really reliable. We last you create
the closest billion dollars on calf the government without costing assent,
and it's off the back of really robust, reliable technology.
You can't really tackle.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
With how do authorities know if that white car driving
down the road hasn't paid their rucks?

Speaker 17 (01:10:08):
So there's good technology you can start using now, whether
it's around bluetooth connectivity, doing number plate readers in the
light to actually understand what vehicles have connected technology for
eruck and you can pick it up pretty it's simply
if they don't have the connection India, you can go
right this white vehicle down the road doesn't have it.
You can pull them over and happen to catch up.
There may be some other file safe mechanism back in there. No,

(01:10:30):
when you check your WAF, make sure the ODO is
no consistent of what the eruck reader is saying. There's
other file safe mechanism you can put in there to
make sure people are being.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
Honest with the use of the road.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Market reckons, you're going to get one of the contracts.
You're going to get one of the contracts.

Speaker 17 (01:10:48):
Look, you know E Road was the market leader here.
We developed the technology over ten years ago, so we're
confident that our technology will be great for all kiwis
and so yeah, we're definitely pitching in here and playing
our parts.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
So how quickly do you reckon? Realistically, the government can
get a system like this setup for the entire country.

Speaker 17 (01:11:06):
Well, so the system's already there, So the question is
going to be about how do you best rolled out.
You know, already a million vehicles have to pay some
form of rodeos to charging. E Road has one hundred
and fifty thousand used in our technology already. So the
technology is there around how do you want to stage
their roll out? Whether you want to start with heavy
vehicles and then work your way down to light passenger vehicles.
So I think the government inspectation on timeline is probably fare. Now,

(01:11:29):
let the technology get into the market between now and
twenty twenty seven, but then start phasing this technology into
people's vehicles.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Mark, thank you so much. Mike Heiner, co CEO of
E Road Ever DUP c L. Jammy McKay is going
to be with us and just take JD. Vanceers in trouble.

Speaker 18 (01:11:43):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
JD.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Vance's in trouble because he and his family went on
the Ohio River for a birthday trip. It was a
family holiday. It sounds like it was to support his
forty first birthday. Just happened last week and apparently they
asked for the water level of the Ohio River to
be raised. The secret surface had to do it, and
then this was it happened. They got a team of

(01:12:06):
engineers out and they raised the water levels of the
Ohio for it. Now, the official line is that the
reason that they did this was to support safe navigation,
but somebody has piped up and spoken to the Guardian
about it and reckons it was also to create ideal
kayaking conditions. So not a good look. Twelf past six
It's the.

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Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
It took me about thirty seconds to find my e
road fuse in my work truck. Quarter past six.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
The Rural Report on Heather duper Cy Allen Drive.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Jamie mckaye, hosts of the Countries with Me. Now, hey,
Jamie Listen put this in context for me. How big
a deal is it that Balance is wanting to shut
up shop for four months?

Speaker 12 (01:12:51):
A huge, A huge deal.

Speaker 22 (01:12:54):
I look, I've only just had a quick flick of
the story and I think has there been an update
they are definitely closing for four months? Is that they
spoke to Calvin Wickham.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Yeah, so what he says is they haven't got a contract.
It ends at the end of September. If they can
get a replacement contract, they'll keep going. But if they can't,
and that's most likely, then they shut up for four months.

Speaker 18 (01:13:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:13:13):
Well, it's a disaster for New Zealand agriculture because something
I'm trying to remember the stat off the top of
my head, something like fifty percent of the world's food
is produced from nitrogenous fertilizers, all with the help of
nitrogenous fertilizers.

Speaker 8 (01:13:29):
So it's huge.

Speaker 22 (01:13:30):
And when we're trying to double our exports and get
ourselves out of the economic hole where and we need
and farmers need every bit of help they can get.
So shutting up the production at Capuni because some of
the other urea I think is important. That's the stuff
we make here at home with their own natural gas.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
As a disaster and all.

Speaker 22 (01:13:49):
That does here there is just reinforce the absolute folly
of Justinder's oil and gas research ban and twenty eighteen
what an idiotic moves are rarely coming home to.

Speaker 8 (01:14:01):
Roost on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Give me a bit of context here again, right, So
at the moment, what we've got is we've got an
export lead recovery if the farmer is pulling us out
of the situation, this recession that we're in. But now
we've got Trump's tariffs coming at US fifteen percent on
exports that go to the US. A lot of that
will be red meat. And then you've also got the
fact that we now have to potentially import all this
urea and this fertilizer, so that's going to add cost,

(01:14:23):
So is our export lead recovery strong enough to withstand
these knocks coming at them.

Speaker 22 (01:14:29):
Well, you can bet one thing that, regardless of whether
they get their natural gas supply or not, Balance and
Ravens down the other big fertilizer producer in this country
or competitor, that the price of nitros and fertilizers is
going to go up. The price of fertilizers has gone up,
I think in the Rabobank August outlook that came out today,

(01:14:52):
something like urea's already up by twelve percent month on
month from July or from June to July. So look,
it's going to put the export lead recovery under threat.
It's just going to make it more expensive for farmers
to grow grass and to and to get and to
produce milk and to produce meat.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Hey, that's that foot and mouth vaccine out of New
South Wales. It a big deal.

Speaker 21 (01:15:19):
Well, I think.

Speaker 22 (01:15:20):
So this is of course using let me get myech
my terminology right here, Heather. It's using the help me
out here, the same stuff that we did with the
COVID vaccine. Yeah, Mr Na, sorry about that. So it's
it's the same sort of technology. Interestingly, it's been developed

(01:15:42):
in Australia, but they had to test it in Germany
on cow's test that over there, it's going to be
good news because at the moment you can't well you
can't vaccinate in advance. But this this sort of thing
is supposedly when we get when and if we get
an outbreak, and Heaven help us if we do, the

(01:16:02):
price of the urea will be the least of our problems.
If we get foot and mouth here, it's last one
to leave. Turn the lights out. But they've got very
good results on this one. Cattle vaccinated cattle in these
German based trials, when exposed to the disease, did not
share the virus. And that's one of the big problems
with foot and mouth disease. It's so highly contagious. And

(01:16:25):
Australia's quoting eighty billion dollars if foot and mouth broke
out in Australia, so I would say you could probably
maybe half that or even a wee bit more for
US forty or fifty billion, And that would just be
off the top of my head, so you can imagine
how that would go down in New Zealand. We would
literally if we got foot and mouth here, we could

(01:16:47):
go broke as a nation.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
All right, So just a bundle of happy, happy good
news for news tonight. Jane, Thank you so much. Enjoy
your evening. Jamie McKay, Host of the Country, nineteen past six.
For Allen, I am getting a lot of texts saying this,
Heather Ear Road's not gonna happen once people figure out
what it can really do. Wait till you get yourself
an automated speeding ticket. Now, that would rip your nightety,

(01:17:11):
wouldn't it. That would rip your ninety if you're out
there on the back road and you're like, hm, have
a quick scan. Nobody's here cover it. I don't know why.
That's the sound of my cart sounds really unhealthy, but
I'm oh, that was delicious yet And then you just
went to one hundred and thirty. You've got a ticket
that would be that would suck. And if we find

(01:17:31):
out that that's what's going to happen, well, we're gonna
have to put the kaibosh on it immediately, aren't we.
Now this is fascinating. I don't know if you're aware
of this, but apparently the the you know, Hummas is
not just a bunch of they are all a bunch
of terrorists obviously, but as well as that, they're also
running the place over in Gaza. And if you if
you're employing government officials and you're running the place, people

(01:17:51):
got to get paid. Apparently, Hummas is still paying its
government salaries despite what is going on in Gaza. They're paying.
It's not they're not paying the full salary. They pay
them a maximum of just over twenty percent of their
pre war salary, and they pay it every ten weeks.
This is how it happens. Employees, and we're talking people
who are police officers, tax officials, whatever. They will receive
an encrypted message on their phone or on their spouse's

(01:18:13):
phone instructing them to go to a specific location at
a specific time to quote, meet a friend for tea.
When they get to the meeting point, the employee is
approached by a man, very occasionally a woman, who discreetly
hands over a sealed envelope containing the money and then
vanishes without further interaction. Now, apparently the government officials who
are employed by Hamas are getting pretty touchy about this

(01:18:35):
because Israel figures this out. With the course, Israel figures
it out from time to time that this is what's up,
and then they're woo boo and blow up the meeting place.
And so every single time they go to get their money,
they go, oh, Jesus, this am I going to survive
this one? And they're hating it. They don't want to
do this anymore, they really hate it. But also apart
from that, for some reason, trade is are not accepting

(01:18:56):
their money anymore. And it's not clear why they're not
accepting their money, but it is becoming increasing pointless going
and collecting that little envelope of cash six twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Croaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
It's Heather to the sea elan width of the business
hour and MAS for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Be well Jesus ice start us that don't gloss over
the automated ticket thing. It's very real thing, Tony Heather.
That's exactly what it can do. The company I work
for sends the CEO and automated email that you were
speeding or you break to aggressively, seriously intrusive. Thank you. Phil. Okay,
So don't know laughs about this. I'm not actually not
actually laughing about it. I'm sort of like half snidey

(01:19:35):
trying to figure out if I hate it. I obviously
hate it. I'm trying to figure out whether I should
hate it or not, because obviously I shouldn't be condoning speeding.
So that's where I'm at. But anyway, I'm taking it seriously,
Phil and Tony and Raymond and Jeers, who else, everybody
who's texting me a about it. Listen. I don't know
if you're aware of this, but I care is obsessed
with our garages, like, really obsessed with our garages. Do

(01:19:57):
you remember back at August last year they see out
like an announcement about, you know, the fact that they're
going to do the Ikea stores. So if they were
raving about the garages, then they're like, did you know
Kiwi's carp at their garages? That's really weird. Well it's August.
Now this year they've done it again. They're like, hey,
they're still really weirdly obsessed with it. Hey, did you
know that ninety three percent of Kiwis use the garage
for something not the car. It's like and what, well,

(01:20:21):
apparently this is not normal. The sweet the Swedish people
who are living here in Cintalias literally the Swedish guy
living in Cintalias who's like his mine's being blown by
what we do with our garages. He cannot believe that
we use our garages for the home gym, for the
general storage, to run a side hustle business, to do
our laundry, for the children to come and play. And
my mum does all of that, by the way, all
of that in her one in her double garage, all

(01:20:43):
of it, the laundry and the business and everything. And
apparently what's weird about it is that they're in thirty
other countries and the other countries don't do this at all. Anyway,
as a result of this, I don't know if you
know about an Ikea store, but anyway, I haven't got time.
I'm going to tell you what the Ikea store is
doing because of information that they've got. Bear with. We'll
deal with that later on first of All, six twenty

(01:21:03):
six either do for see it news. Two US comedians
have hosted a rather unusual award show. It's called the
Las Culturista Culture Awards, created by Matt Rogers and Bowen
Yang from Saturday Night Live. It's a parody award show
celebrating niche moments in pop culture. It started as a
little bit on their podcast, but now it's grown into
an actual televised award series.

Speaker 14 (01:21:24):
This whole award show thing actually started as a bit
one day on a whim. We just decided to announce
a bunch of randomnominees and a bunch of random categories.

Speaker 7 (01:21:33):
We never intended to do a real award show at all.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Some of the awards included the Eva Longoria Award for
Tiny Woman, Huge Impact, which has been won by Abbott
Elementary's creator Quinta Brunson. She's four foot eleven, and then
also the Best Words to Shout and Best Word to Whisper,
which was won by the word never, because you think
about it never. Also never, like that is quite you.
I mean I'd rather whisper. I feel like there's quite

(01:21:58):
something quite some stir about that.

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
I think that's a good choice. Jeff Goldblum's chest hair
in the Jurassic Park movies won the award for Most
Amazing Impact in Film, and he was actually there to
accept the award in person with his chest.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
No, this award isn't even for me. It's really for
my chest. So it is only fitting that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
So anyway. I mean, obviously, what this means is we
have far too many TV award shows and stuff. This
is getting silly now. But on the subject of Jeff Goldblum,
have you watched Zeus? Because it stars him and the
opening sequence is the back of Jeff, which is not

(01:22:42):
a bad look in a shell suit from the eighties
walking to this song and he's springing that a little
bit and he is camp as.

Speaker 8 (01:22:53):
You like in it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Anyway. So I watched a lot of CALLI when I
was on maternity lead because there's nothing more boring than
a three am breastfeed because old bait's not rent interactive.
So you what suggest that? Can I recommend Zeus just
for the campy aspect? I think the storyline kind of
pieces out, but maybe season two might be okay. But
for this opening sequence, just the best, the best, Sam

(01:23:15):
Dicky next, nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Working Fast, We excited, guys dumb, Maybe get up on
your little finger. Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen
and Mas for Trust at Home Insurance Solutions, use talks
it me.

Speaker 13 (01:23:48):
Is coming.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Please not got part.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Whether the show is actually called Chaos and it's been
canceled after season one. Well, just watched season one. I
mean it doesn't it doesn't attract from the fact that
you might want to watch season one. But facts your
I am calling it zeus A What am.

Speaker 12 (01:24:08):
I to be?

Speaker 9 (01:24:09):
If their chaos wouldn't be a terrible name for our show?

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
The way things go, I know, especially what just happened
a half hour, tell you what you should call the
disinformation project and let them know what I'm up to
with all this kind of crack. They'll put out a
report on me and I'd appreciate the attention. By the way, Dunedin,
well done you here we are in the local body
races right lamenting the fact that there are like all
of these races going completely uncontested and people are being

(01:24:31):
re elected before even the elections happening. But everybody wants
to be the mayor of Dunedin. Apparently there are sixteen
citizens who put themselves forward to become the mayor of Dunedin,
which is the highest number for any one place. It
is double christ Church's eight candidates. It is better than Auckland,
Wellington and Hamilton, each of them have twelve. So well
done Dunedin. I mean, I don't know why, but it's

(01:24:52):
like I don't know why. I'll just say I don't
know why. What it is about Dunedin's mayoral race that
you're into it, But at least you're into it twenty
three away from seven ever, do per c we are
living through one of the most challenging periods for economic
forecasting in decades. Traditional indicators are pretty much contradictory at
the minute. Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds is with me
on this. Hey, Sam, Hey, EIM I mean it is

(01:25:12):
confusing and contradictory at the minute, isn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:25:15):
It is very confusing in contradictory. A good example of
that actually is if you dive beneath the headline growth
numbers to the real time data. So two arms of
the Federal Reserve in the US, the New York Federal
Reserve and the Atlanta Fed, calculate essentially a daily GDP number,
and they have slightly different calculation methods. But before COVID,
those differences were sort of plus or minus one percent apart,

(01:25:38):
and since COVID they're more like plus or minus three
percent apart. So forecasting era has tripled, and those are
essentially insiders versus the average punter on the street, and
they're both arms of the Federal Reserve with similar forecasting techniques.
And if you listen to people like Capital Economics, the IMF,
the World Bank all are complaining that forecasts are as

(01:25:59):
fragile as they've seen in decades. And you and I
have spoken about the reasons why. The primary reason is
global economic policy uncertainty indexes will they have eased a
little bit, are still near fifty year high, so that
policy whiplash continues.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Yeah, so where are we at do you think in
the global and local economic cycle.

Speaker 23 (01:26:18):
Critical juncture? I think in tons of dispersion.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
So the US growth has.

Speaker 23 (01:26:24):
Generally been pretty robust, it's held the world up, still
growing around three percent, but we're sort of multi speed
over there. So the consumer is still in the game. Thankfully,
seventy two percent of GDP is the consumer. And so
MasterCard gives us that sort of wonderful bird's eye view
of the global consumer, and they just said last week
consumer spinning remains healthy, supported by wage growth that continues

(01:26:47):
to outpace inflation. Of course, anything related to tech and
AI is booming, but the manufacturing sector is in contraction.
Europe is kind of limping along at about half percent
growth despite the rise and spending that's going into defense
and infrastructure over there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
China threw a ton of.

Speaker 23 (01:27:05):
Stimulus at its economy as it slowed last year, and
I spoke about this and we saw a bit of
a pickup, so that's grown about five percent, and back
here in New Zealand were sort of hunting for those
green shoots. So in short, US robust but slowing, Europe
and New Zealand limping along the bottom, and China's still
healthy at five percent.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
And where to from here?

Speaker 23 (01:27:23):
The US is creaking. It's been underpinned by a really
strong labor market for years. And I'm sure your listeners
are aware. Last week we saw not only the current
month jobs number hit recessionary type territory, but they revised
down the previous two months to recession type levels as well,
so only adding fifty thousand jobs a month. And we're

(01:27:44):
hearing that from companies too. But Jamie Diamond, the CEO
of JP Morgan, reminded us that as employment falls, obviously
you'll see more stress on the consumer in the second half,
and China growth is still pretty robust. And they definitely
stand ready to throw more stimulus added if things slow.
And Europe and New Zealand they'll find it hard to
grow rapidly if the US slows. But they are at

(01:28:06):
very very different points in the cycle, bouncing along the bottom,
and there are green shoots and things like tourism and
agricultural exports.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Yeah, which is good news, I suppose. So what should
investors take from all this? What should they make of it?

Speaker 23 (01:28:18):
Well, given how bullish sentiment is and how hard the
stock markets are bounced in the last few months, the
next few months could be trickier, as markets will be
much more sensitive to any deterioration in the macroeconomic picture.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
But they're really really.

Speaker 23 (01:28:31):
Good news is either the Federal Reserve, the US Central
Bank has tons of room to cut rates in the
US so the amount that inflation is moderated, the feed
could probably cut rates by another one hundred to one
hundred and fifty basis points, but it's been stubbornly on hold,
worried about Tariff's reigniting price pressures. But they are kind
of running out of reasons not to cut rates. So

(01:28:51):
last Friday, after that week's jobs number, the market kind
of did the job for them and priced at another
two rate cuts, so there is some cushion there if
things do slow on the second half, as you should
probably expect.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Sam, thanks so much mate, I enjoy your evening.

Speaker 12 (01:29:07):
Sam.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Dickie Fisher funds hither our mayor is absolutely useless in Dunedin.
Anything is better than what we've got. Well, be careful
what you wish for, because what I didn't tell you
is you have a vampire running for mayor in Dunedin.
Zennith Rose Wills, who's a climate activist, is also known
as Rough. I think this is the vampire name ruthven

(01:29:27):
alam Rack and a standing for the Radical Action faction
and has declared themselves to be a vampire who was
born in the eighteenth century. And apparently how this all worked,
like how you become a vampire to promote climate action
is that you worry about your food source because if
all the forecasts are correct, climate change is going to

(01:29:49):
kill all the humans and what are you going to
eat if you're a vampire. So anyway, not all the
contenders in Dunedin are in fact serious, but they're there,
so that's something, isn't it now? I was gonna tell
you what the Ikea guys are doing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
So if you've been to an Ikea store and I haven't,
so I've had this. The Germans had to explain this
to me because she's from Europe, so they have all
of this. They have all the cool stuff, right that
like first world stuff. They have the Ikeas there. So
she says, what happens in at ike and yes, also
I hate shopping, so like it's it's it's it's like,
you know, the two positives and a magnet, me and
shopping never to meet. So anyway, I have to get

(01:30:25):
these experiences vicariously through the Germans. So she says, what
happens is when you go into a gigantic Ikea store,
you walk in and they have it laid out room
by room, right, so they'll have your bathroom laid out
for you so you can get heaps of inspo about
what you want to do in your bathroom. Then you
walk you can give this a lounge or it's a bathroom,
you know, like lounge and spo. Then you go to
the bedroom. There's some bedroom and spo and what they're

(01:30:46):
doing bespoke for the New Zealand customers they're gonna lay
out of garage because this is what we're into. So
they're gonna design your garage. I mean, what is wrong
with us, But anyway, they're gonna design the garage for
you so that you can go, oh, look, how I
can lay out my garage to have a laundry and
a little working nook and also my exercise equipment right there.
Whether they have a car and they're or not, probably

(01:31:07):
don't need to given most of us apparently don't put
our cars in the garage. But anyway, that's what they're
doing for us, so that's very nice. Then the Germans
started ex so I got that bit. I got that,
and I thought that that's quite nice. And then she
started explaining to me that you have to then go
into the second part of the store and then there's
J eight something and.

Speaker 8 (01:31:24):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
At that point I was like, no, it's not interesting anymore.
I have no idea. It just sounded like I'm walking
around with some sort of a forll Cliff, like getting
all my boxes on it and then taking it out
to the car. So anyway, never mind about the rest
of it. You're getting a garage sixteen to seven.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
The Business Hour with Heather Dup, c Ellen and Mas
for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News talks'b.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
Got some infoe on Andrew for you, as in Prince
Andrew will run through it shortly thirteen away from seven
with us. Now is Indebrady are UK correspondent Alo Ender?

Speaker 12 (01:31:57):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (01:31:57):
Have I might stay listening for that's.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Nothing you don't already know. Trust me? Heym is a
ceasefire going to happen for Ukraine? Are we looking at that?

Speaker 7 (01:32:07):
So what we're looking at realistically is next next week
President Trump and Putin are going to meet. That is
what we're hearing from the American side. Now, obviously it's
been very big the last twenty four hours. He sent
Steve Whitcoffe's special envoy to Moscow and we're told those
talks were highly productive. Now, what is really cranking up
the pressure on Russia is President Trump imposing a fifty

(01:32:30):
percent secondary tariff on India because they've been by buying
Russian oil. So obviously they're going at the network that
supports the Russian economy. And this is very very big,
and it's already rep rewards. So we're going to see
Trump and Putin meet next week. I'm guessing it will
happen in Moscow. But then, crucially, what the Americans want

(01:32:52):
to happen not very long after is Trump, Putin and
Zelensky sitting down round the table and finding what agreeable
to all. So there is movement happening. But you know,
here we are three and a half years into this,
so many thousands of innocent lives lost.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Yeah too, right, listen, is it weird that JD. Vance
is having stay over is at Lemmy's house?

Speaker 7 (01:33:15):
Yeah, this is a bit strange. So he arrives tomorrow
into England. It's a family vacation. The Vance family will
be going to the Cotswolds, beautiful part of Oxfordshire. I
live in Oxfordshire, and I hear he has rented a
very nice house outside the village of Charwbury, not a
million miles away from Jeremy Clarkson and his farm and
his pub and everything. So you may well see Jed

(01:33:36):
Advance visiting Jeremy Clarkson. We'll see Ellen Degenerous lives in
that area as well. A lot of Americans coming here
for the summer. But what he's doing this weekend Is.
He's struck up a really I think unusual friendship with
David Lammy, who is the British Foreign Secretary. Now, Lammy
is a labor politician, he's left wing and JD. Vance

(01:33:56):
is America first and he's right wing. However, they've met
many many times. They share similar ground, I'm told, in
terms of difficult poverty stricken childhoods, with addiction issues in
the families. And they're both devoutly Christian. So they click.
The families get on and Lammy has invited the Vance
family to come stay a long weekend Achievening, which is

(01:34:19):
a big mansion that the British Foreign Secretary gets as
a grace and favor of property. It's owned by the
UK government, but it's used for entertaining and that is
where the Vances and the Lammis will be this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Fantastic. I hope they have a lovely time. Now, what
did the Scottish government give Trump? What was the gift?

Speaker 7 (01:34:35):
This is a lovely story. So John Swinney is Scotland's
first leader, first Minister of Scotland, and he found out
that other governments are routinely giving President Trump golf clubs.
So you can imagine how many golf clubs, all these
world leaders that he meets. No one's very original in
their thinking. Everyone gives him a golf clubs, and he's

(01:34:55):
a very wealthy man. I'm sure he has the absolute
best himself. However, John Sweeney went away had a think
and obviously Trump's mother was a macloud from one of
the Scottish islands, storn Away on the Isle of Lewis,
and he instructed the Registrar General to go away, delve
into Scotland's archives and find something original.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
To do with that family.

Speaker 7 (01:35:19):
So indeed she went away, she had a deep dive
into the Scottish National Archives and came back with the
original wedding certificate of his mother's grandparents in eighteen fifty
three on that island in Scotland, and they framed it
up and they gave it to President Trump, and apparently
he had tears in his eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
How about that. That's really nice, Hey, thank you for
that and to appreciate it. That's into Brady, UK correspondent. Okay,
here's the info on Prince Andrew. So there is a book,
there's a new biography about Prince Andrew and Fergie and
it's been serialized in the Daily Mail, and these are
the six. I'm just basically what I'm doing is I'm
telling you that the big takeaways from it, so you
don't have to go out and read it yourself. Okay,

(01:36:02):
So these are the takeaways. Number One, Andrew may have
lied about how long he knew Jeffrey Epstein. He said
he met him in nineteen ninety nine. It sounds like
it was actually more like nineteen eighty nine, so whole
ten extra years of bad stuff that was going on. Potentially,
Number two, there were secrets that were potentially passed to
foreign officials. Epstein may have given secrets about Andrew to Mossad,
to the Saudi Arabian authorities, to Gadaffi's Libyan intelligence services,

(01:36:26):
and so on. Also Number three may have given secrets
to Putin. The claim is that John Mark Dugan, who's
a former deputy in Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office, fled
to Russia with copies of files on the Epstein investigation
and then was in touch with pavl Borroden, who's a
mentor of Putin. And the files may have included scanned
documents but also videos. Number four. He's getting money from somewhere.

(01:36:49):
No one knows where it is because he's got no
obvious source of income. This is Andrew. He's got the
Royal Navy pension, he's got some family money. He may
have inherited some handouts from the Queen the late Queen
are now came Charles. But it doesn't explain how he
affords Royal lotch which is like fifteen million dollars that
he spent on refurbishing it and annually costs half a
million dollars to run. So we's again in this cash

(01:37:10):
from number five has got quite as he's bombed to
go wow wow with the ladies, if you know what
I'm saying. He had apparently forty women brought into his
hotel room during a stay in Bangkok. The hotel staff
were used to foreigners bringing in girls, but they thought
it was quite amazing that more than ten a day
we're going into Andrew's room number six. And finally he

(01:37:33):
gave and you will have heard this he gave well.
Prince Harry gave Andrew a bloody nose during an argument
in twenty thirteen. Harry denies having done it now, as
all always with the Royals, it's hard to know what's
true or not. And it also given Harry doesn't mind
talking about a bit of fisty cuff, so the fact
that he's denying it makes me kind of wonder. But
as you know, Andrew gets up to no good and

(01:37:54):
just the fact that this book is outmeans his problems
haven't stopped seven away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
It's the Heather too us See Allen Drive Full Show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
Either just you wait, You're going to be smisthen by IK,
Thank you, John Now answ's top where I have to
stop talking?

Speaker 12 (01:38:10):
Why is that?

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Ants?

Speaker 9 (01:38:11):
Because fifteen thousand students around the country have had a
big test today. They've been taking part in the country's
largest maths competition. It's called Times Tables rock Stars. So
now we're just going to see whether or not you
are a Times Tables rock Star. Let's start the timer, Okay, Heather,
what is two times three six? What is five times
eight forty? What is nine times twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
Or one hundred and eleven one hundred and eight?

Speaker 9 (01:38:40):
What is three times six eighteen? What is seven times
zero zero? What is fourteen divided by seven? Twenty no, two,
I correct. Two is correct? Thirty three divided by three
eleven eighteen divided by two nine, one hundred and forty

(01:39:01):
four divided by twelve, twelve and one divided by zero zero.

Speaker 20 (01:39:09):
One.

Speaker 9 (01:39:10):
Yeah, no, sorry, that one was a quick trick question.
You can't divide anything by zero. But still very very good, Heather.
I think I think we can. We can pull you
a math rock starff for that one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
Just know, just for clarification purposes, level of maths I
was just asked to do.

Speaker 9 (01:39:25):
I'm recently at ages seven to so yeah, at least
as smart as a thirteen year old, Heather. That's good.
I don't know. There's lots of us who probably couldn't
say that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Bug of one hundred and eight one? That was annoying.
What was it again? One hundred and twenty.

Speaker 9 (01:39:39):
Nine times twelve? Was one hundred and eight.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
Nine times twelve?

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Oh yeah, it would be two.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
It's annoying. Okay, what have you got?

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
All?

Speaker 23 (01:39:46):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:39:46):
Insomnia by Faithless to play us out tonight because Insomnia
will be oh sorry, not in Somnia. Faithless. Faithless will
be headlining Symphony next year. The lineup's all been announced today.
It's going to be happening again at the Auckland of
May in March. Also joining them will be Peaking Duck,
the Black Seeds, the Exponents and they've got a new
Symphony setlist as well, so the Aukland fill on On

(01:40:07):
you'll be playing a brand new set.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Do we just need to call symphony for what it is,
which is that it's like Generation x's getting on drugs.
Heard out, Ah, that's what it is and says nothing answers.
The fact that answer has gone silent on it makes
me go nailed it. Okay, see you tomorrow.

Speaker 21 (01:40:27):
I sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
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