Full Show Podcast: 07 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spins to find the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Or it's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duper c Allen Drive
with One New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Let's get connected and news talks.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
That'd be good afternoon seven after four on your Monday.
Great to have your company coming up. Inside the next
quarter of an hour, We're due to have some breaking
news for you. This a verdict in the Mushroom Lady
trial over in Australia. Everyone's been following it. We will
have a verdict for you eminently. So Ian Taylor on
the COVID inquiry which kicks off today. We've also got

(00:33):
the story about ed beds versus maternity ward beds in
Wellington Hospital. Simeon Brown as our minister after six, Gavin
Gray is in the UK. All ahead on.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Drive Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
So the question should just into rejourn return to the
country and face the COVID inquiry music The answer I
think must be yes. I confirm this morning on our
Herald Now program that the Royal Commission has reached out
to De sinder Adourn and they have asked her to
attend in August the case running. The show basically clammed

(01:11):
up after that, wouldn't give an answer about whether she
has even responded, whether she has lawyered up herself. But
he did say that the only way to get out
of attending is if you're not in the country. They
don't have jurisdiction. So the question is as a former
prime minister who wielded more power than Muldoon, more like
wartime executive powers she had, as somebody who's always claimed

(01:35):
their intentions were good, as somebody who's always claimed they
were in politics for the children. Remember that surely the
good of our tamadiki should be front and center of
the mind of one to cinder adoun when deciding whether
to front up and be honest at an inquiry like this,
honest about what really went on behind closed doors, behind

(01:58):
those ppe masks. Boris Johnson appeared at his country's inquiry inquiry,
twiddling his fingers and thumbs as he answered questions put
before him. Isn't there a moral obligation to the people
of New Zealand as well? Here they still live with
the consequences of decisions that she and her cabinet made.
She's making money off books of all sorts of things

(02:20):
at the moment, and all power to her while many
businesses here have never recovered from the lockdowns. Isn't a
little truth telling in order? I was just one of
a handful of interviewers who basically got a go at
Cinda Adourn on a weekly basis during this time period.

(02:41):
And I'm saving the best bits for a book one day,
of course. But suffice to say, there was a lot
of image and stage managing and controlling happening behind the
scenes that you just wouldn't believe. The problem for Jacinda
if she decides not to front is this. It's a
question kiwis will be asking themselves what has she got

(03:04):
to hide? Bridge, you're on news Talks there bib Wellington
Hospital converting some maternity beds to ED beds in an
attempt to bolster the struggling emergency department. The change will
bring the number of women's health wards down from four
to three for a four month trial period. Allison Eddie
is the chief executive at at College of Midwives. Good afternoon,

(03:26):
Good afternoon, Good to have you on the show, Allison.
So who's wanting the beds exactly?

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Well, we understand that Wellington Hospital ED is under significant
over crowding pressure and part of that pressure is because
they can't move people through the service into admission into
medical beds, so they're hoping to create well the plan
or proposed plan, is to repurpose some of the women's
health beds I think it's on the fourth floor of
Wellington Hospital into medical beds, so really reducing the footprint

(03:59):
for the for that service.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Overall, presumably there will be women who will fill some
of the health beds. I mean that it's not just
men taking over. But are they specific to women?

Speaker 4 (04:10):
No, no, that I think the beds on the fourth
floor at the moment are sort of gynecology maternity beds
Nico Boothing Sweet But the intention I believe is to
take twelve of the beds which are currently allocated to
gynecology and make those general medical beds so they could
be meant or woman obviously depending on the patients presenting in.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
The ed right, but not specialty beds. Are they hospital
the hospitals is they're not full at the moment there
are spare beds.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Well.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
What we hear from our members in Wellington and also
the marest the Midwife's Union tell us that overall the
maternity facility at Wellington Woman's is over one hundred percent occupancy,
So there might be spare beds today, but on a
regular basis they're over capacity. And I think the other
really important thing to really bear in mind is that

(04:58):
maternity is like the ED of the maternity service. You know,
it's an acute service. It can have unpredictable demand and
it needs capacity to receive admissions on a twenty four
to seven basis, just like ED does.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
See this and.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Wellington, Yeah, Wellington Hospital is actually a tertiary referral center
for quite a lot of outlying provincial units. You know,
it's serving a really large geographic area with you know,
many high risk, high risk patients that are referred in there.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, it's interesting, Allison, because you're not the first person
to come on from you know, you're with the College
of Midwives, but not the first person to come on
from the sect of saying one thing and health is
saying another. So it's very hard for us to know
unless we go into this hospital. I mean, you haven't
been in there either. Who do we believe the midwives
who are there, or do we believe health THINGSED or what?

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Well, you know, the midwives are on at the front
line every day doing the work and telling us that
the service is already over capacity. And what we're planning
to do is use what are currently supposedly single rooms
and make those double occupancy to so they can double
up mothers and babies in the same room.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
So there will still be enough room, but it's just
that they'd be doubled up.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
That's what they're telling us.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Different story, isn't it. I mean, now you're talking about
the comfortability of a hospital as opposed to the acute
need of it.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Potentially, yes, but what our members are telling us that
those single rooms are already used as double rooms from
time to time, so that you know, it might look
like they've got twenty beds, for example, but they've actually
got twenty four patients and so, you know, for example,
so there will be more pressure on the service overall
because the beds are already over capacity.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Ellison, appreciate your time this morning, this afternoon. Rather Ellison Eddie,
the Chief Executive New Zealand Royal College of Midwives making
the case for keeping them guyin no, thank you very much.
We will bring you the update by the way from Australia.
We're expecting any moment now. The mushroom trial verdict will
be revealed. Will take a quick break and be back

(06:59):
with them in just a moment.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
It's the Heather Dupis See Allen dreve Full Show podcast.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
On iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
News Talk ZB just gone sixteen minutes, half to four.
I'm Ryan Bridge and for Heather today. Great to have
your company. We are awaiting a verdict in the mushroom
trial over in Australia. We'll get to that as quick
as it comes to you. Jason Pine with US two
sports talk hosts.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
Hey Jas, Hello, Ryan Felfred to cut me off. If
the mushroom verdict arrives.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Nothing is more interesting than sport, you know. That's my
official position. However, the bosses may make me do that.
All right now, first question for you what Raza will
obviously be making swell. Will he be making some changes
and if he does weird as he needed to make changes?

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Yeah, he will, I think because he said he wants
to give all thirty three guys in the squatter go
plus the ones he's brought in his injury cover, so
he's going to have to make some changes. Also, no
Seva Reese this coming weekend. He is under HIA protocols
and I get the feeling as well. Ryan Scott Barrett
won't be there. He came off on Saturday with a
Dodgy R killer. He's at the media session today. Razor said, look,

(08:03):
we've had scans and we'll let you know tomorrow with
official announcement. I think you only officially announced something if
he's not going to be there. So new captain and
second row and new winger, and I just think a
bit of a freshening here and there as well. It's
a bit of a balance, you know. He wants to
find out about some guys in different positions, but also
wants to try and I guess they give everybody a
go and mix things up. But as far as what

(08:24):
they need to improve on, they weren't great at the
breakdown on Saturday. They weren't great with their kick chase
game or under the high ball that France put up.
And as you know, and Wellington Ryiner can get a
bit swirly, a bit windy, a bit gusty at sky Stadium,
so he has a bit to work on as they
look ahead to test too.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
What about the junior tool Blacks finishing fourth at the
Under nineteen World Champs. How significant is that?

Speaker 5 (08:47):
Really big? Yeah, it equals our best ever at a
feb tournament that's an international tournament. The toll Blacks themselves
in two the under seventeens last year, and many of
those players in this under nineteen side that finished fourth
this morning at the tournament in Switzerland. But of a
golden generation coming for young male basketballers, Ryan, These guys
are all either at college in the US or about

(09:09):
to head that way. So yeah, there's some names to
keep an eye on. But yeah, really significant achievement to
finish in the top four at a basketball World championship.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Brilliant. Good to have you on Pineyer as always, Jason
Pine sports talk host seven tonight on News Talk seb
Ryan eighteen minutes after four. As I said, we'll tell
you what the Mushroom Ladies verdict does once we get
out of Australia in a few moments time. Hey, an
interesting story about selfies coming out today and pilots. I
don't know if you've seen on social media lately, but
pilots are the latest to join the trend of taking

(09:41):
selfies on the job. And they do this because they
get lots and lots of followers, and that's what everybody
in society wants these days, there's lots and lots of followers.
So pilots taking selfies during flight, mid flight, ears side,
in flight, you name it, they're doing it. I been
called out by the Airline Association industry associations. So one

(10:05):
got in trouble because their camera jammed up against the
flight controls. This is while they're flying a plane, jammed
up against the flight controls, causing a quote rapid descent
of the plane which injured passengers. So there you go,
selfie equals injuries. Another was caught with their camera. This
is a whistleblower that did this. One caught. There's a

(10:27):
British pilot making a selfie style video on the ramp
while performing safety inspections. Now these safety inspections are, as
you can guess by the title, quite important. They include taxing,
entering the runway, landing, all these sorts of things. So
taking a selfie video while you were trying to make
sure the plane is safe not a good idea, and

(10:48):
their Airline industry associations are warning them to stop doing
this because it's done right. Time now is four to
twenty on Newstalk SEFB.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
This is newstalk ZV breaking news.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
We have a verdict in the mushroom murder trial. The
jury has found Aaron Patterson guilty of the murder of
Gail and Donald Pattison. Just repeating that. The jury has
found Erin Patterson guilty of the murder of Gail and
Donald Pattison. This is Aaron's in laws and Heather Wilkinson,
and guilty of the attempted murder of Ian Wilkinson, who

(11:28):
survived after being in a coma. You'll remember, the jury
had deliberated since last Monday, after a ten week trial
that heard from more than fifty witnesses. Both Aaron Patterson
and the only other survivor of the lunch, Ian Wilkinson,
also both gave evidence during the trial. Erin served beef Wellington,
the infamous Beef Wellington mashed potatoes and green beans. Prosecutors

(11:52):
had alleged she added a fatal dose of death cap
mushrooms to the dish while serving herself a separate, untainted
portion you may remember, on a different colored plate. Just
repeating that. Breaking news this afternoon. A verdict in the
mushroom murder trial. The jury finding Aaron Patterson guilty of
the murder of Gail and Donald Patterson, the inlaws, and

(12:16):
Heather Wilkinson also guilty of the attempted murder of Ian Wilkinson,
her ex husband, who survived after being in a coma.
Twenty one minutes after four, News Talks VB.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Moving the big stories of the day forward.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's Ryan Bridge on Heather du for see Ellen Drive
with one New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
News Talks EDB lovely to have your feedback this afternoon.
Twenty four after four. This is on just Cindra A
Durn Whether she should come back and face the music
during the COVID inquiry. Yesinda, but she won't come back
too busy getting book advances and spreading bs around the
world America and Europe, basically self aggrandizing. Ryan Aderne should

(12:56):
definitely return to New Zealand. The pulpit of truth give
me strength, says Liz and another here on airline pilots
taking selfies, which apparently they're doing and they're being warned
by the airlines to stop doing it because you're putting
your passengers at risk. This person says Ryan. They've got autopilot.
That's not the point, is it? You? Oh, but they've

(13:17):
got autopilots, so go ahead and take a selfie, go
to the bathroom, go and have a sleep. That's not
the point. I don't want them leaving the cockpit. I
don't want them ringing their girlfriends. I don't want them
on a dating app. You know, just do your job.
What's wrong with you people? And you're paid handsomely to
do it? I get it. It's boring up there. The
plane's doing most of the flying for you. You just

(13:38):
sit there and sort of look handsome, don't you. So
you're wanting a selfie to get your followers, but you're
putting us our lives at risk. Speaking of what's the
word sympathy? This person who has who has had an
arm taken off cleared off them by a we actually
don't know what kind of big cat over Andqueensland, but

(14:01):
an injury after a big cat mauls her arm. Sad
but not surprising, is it. I mean, if we're being honest,
it's sad, but it's not surprising. These are giant cats.
This is what they do. They are wild predators. You
are inside the cage with them. They are hungry. It's
feeding time. Chances of you having losing a limb probably

(14:25):
quite high. I would have thought so. Sad. Yes, surprising No,
Ryan Bridge nine two is the number to text after
five o'clock. We're going to talk about this case. If
you're a child and you steal something from a supermarket
at the government wants a citizen's arrest law that would
allow you to restrain a child. That's anyone under eighteen.

(14:47):
Restrain a child until police get there. Now, the Children's Commissioner,
as you can understand, quite het up about this. She's
on the show after five plus After the News at
four thirty, ol Olli Peterson out of Australia on the
mushroom verdict. This is Aaron Patterson guilty on all counts.

(15:08):
News Talk said b.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Recamping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's
Ryan Bridge on Heather du for see Ellen Drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
News Talk SAT be.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Good afternoon. It is twenty five minutes away from five
News Talk sib I'm Rhyan Bridge. Great to have you company.
Thomas Coglan here shortly to party Mardi has a new
candidate for Tammocky Makoto why she will whip Labor's butt
in that seat. I'll tell you. Hopefully Thomas will agree
with me, and we'll see that's coming up before five.
And we will also head across to Australia because we

(16:04):
have a verdict in the Erin Pattison mushroom trial. All ahead, it's.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
The world wires on newstalks, they'd drive start.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
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It's party system and I think starting a third party.

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It really seems to have been.

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Developed for two parties.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Third parties have never worked, so.

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He can have fun with it, but I think it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
One two, okay, three No. Finally, tennis superstar Eager Triontech
has revealed what her favorite postmatch meal is, pasta and strawberries.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
It does a kid.

Speaker 11 (17:24):
It's pasta strawberries, so that's strange.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
I know, I know, But green.

Speaker 12 (17:30):
Side guys pasta, strawberries, a little bit of yogurt.

Speaker 13 (17:34):
It's just great.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Who kids, girl, you hit the ball like that. You
can eat whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Except mushrooms perhaps. Oliver Peterson is with a six pr
Perth Live presenter with a verdict. We've had one this afternoon.
Just in the last half hour. Aaron Patterson has been
found guilty of murder and Olie has all the deep
tis for us. Ollie get a Ryan.

Speaker 14 (18:02):
Indeed, she has guilty of the murder of her former
in laws Don and Gail Patterson and gail sister Heather
and the attempted murder of Heather's husband, Ian Wilkinson. The
prosecution's case always said that Aaron Patterson lewed her in
laws to the lunch in the guise of a fake
cancer diagnosis.

Speaker 9 (18:19):
She deliberately put death cap.

Speaker 14 (18:21):
Mushrooms in the mushroom lunch to poison them, but they
were able to never establish a motive. Now, the prosecution
also argued during the case that a phone from her
home pinged in the towns of Outram and Locke, and
that's where the death cap mushrooms had been cited in
the months before. A pastor and Wilkinson, who was the
sole survivor of the four victims. He always claimed Patterson
served the lunch to her guests on four tan colored plates,

(18:43):
but used a gray plate for herself. She always refuted
those particular claims with her defense team saying that it
was a tragic accident that she had told a series
of lies to her family and authorities because she panicked
about her lunch guests falling ill. She always maintained she
never deliberately put death cap mushrooms.

Speaker 9 (19:00):
In the beef Wellington meal.

Speaker 14 (19:01):
But now, during that verdict, as it was read down,
guilty as I said, there on the murder of the
former in laws Don and Gale Pattison, her sister Heather,
and the attempted murder of Head, his husband and Wilkinson.
She was seen blinking a lot, breathing deeply as that
jury found her guilty on all the charges. She kept
her eyes open and peeled on that twelve person jury
as they left the room.

Speaker 9 (19:20):
And she'll now face.

Speaker 14 (19:21):
A sentence, Ryan, of up to life in prison, and
she'll return to the court for a pre senate's hearing
later this year. But yes, breaking news, it's taken a
while for that jury to deliberate. It's taken a good
week in a couple of days after a nine week trial,
guilty on all three counts, and she's facing life behind bars,
which carries a maximum sentence of twenty years.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Holly, are you surprised.

Speaker 13 (19:41):
Not at all.

Speaker 14 (19:42):
I'm more surprised that it took so long, Ryan for
the jury to reach this guilty verdict. Having said that,
it was a nine week trial, so if you're going
through everything line by line, you can probably understand why
it took the jury, what's seven or eight days to
actually come back with a guilty verdict, but unanimous and
on all of the charges guilty guilt guilty and attempted
murder guilty as well, So she'll have to prepare for

(20:04):
that pre sentencing hearing. And to be honest, I think
there's a lot of relief in the country, Ryan, I
think we've all been holding our breath thinking it was
going this way, and now we got the verdict to
match it.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah. I mean, as you said, I feel the same way.
Not surprised with what's happened, but surprised at the length
of time it took to get here. Hey, what's going
on with this anti hate task force being set up?
After week into text and an Israeli restaurant.

Speaker 9 (20:27):
Yeah, so a.

Speaker 14 (20:28):
Man was charged over that arson attack on that synagogue
in Melbourne, z SI forced twenty people inside the flee.

Speaker 9 (20:33):
So the Victorian Premier tot Age.

Speaker 14 (20:35):
Just need to Allen's announced a new anti hate task
for something which the Prime Minister was ruling out over
the weekend and said it wasn't necessary. But the Victorian
Premier says it is on that attack and several other
anti Semitic incidents over the weekend. So it'll hold its
first meeting and discuss increasing police powers and enforcing anti
vilification laws.

Speaker 9 (20:52):
That meeting is expected to take place later this week,
if not the weekend. You've had the.

Speaker 14 (20:58):
Premier of Victoria visiting a synagogue morning. You've even got
the Opposition leader Susan Lee. She's also been offering her
support to the Prime Minister Anthony alber Easy to try
and stamp out this anti semitism. As the PM said
over the weekend, there is no place for this in Australia.
But I think a lot of us in this country
at the moment Ryan are just wondering what's going on
in Victoria. Why is Victoria almost a bit of an

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outlier in terms of not just what's happening with anti Semitism,
but a lot.

Speaker 9 (21:23):
Of criminal activity.

Speaker 14 (21:24):
There's a lot of hate stemming out of the southern
capital of Australia might be the sporting capital in Melbourne,
but why is it that Victoria is embroiled in all
of this anti Semitism. It just seems to not sort
of fit with the fabric of what our country is
at the moment. So there's some pretty deep questions being
asked in Australia today and whether or not they're the
government's too soft, whether they've gone to woke, whether they've

(21:45):
just got a toughen up and have a no tolerance policy.
So I think a lot of questions are being asked
of the state government in Victoria in particular.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Absolutely only very quickly before we go. This woman who's
had her arm bitton at the Queensland Zoo by a line.
Was she and she was in the cage, wasn't she?
But not there as a guest.

Speaker 9 (22:05):
No, she suffered that severe injury.

Speaker 14 (22:07):
She was watching the keepers working in the carnival enclosure.
So I don't know about you, but I don't even
want to get too close to a line. It's a
terrible it's a terrible situation, isn't It's been bitten by
a lion. So she's going to be going into further
surgery today. It's understood she has lost an arm, but
she wasn't quite in the enclosure, but she was watching.

Speaker 9 (22:26):
Those zoo keepers with the lions. Maybe just step back
a bit.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
We have to stay out of the cage. Hey, thanks,
olly good to have you on the show. Olie Pederson
six PR Perth Live presenter, just confirming that guilty verdict
for Aaron Patterson on all counts over in Australia. It
is eighteen minutes away from five o'clock. Now, I would
just never get in a cage or close to a
cage with a lion or anything that looks scary. I mean,

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there are some people I wouldn't get in a cage with,
you know it alone lions. Anyway, as I said earlier,
I think not surprising, but still sad. Eighteen minutes away
from five. Thomas Coglin, we're going to talk about Tabati Mali.
They have a candidate for the Tammocky Makoto seat. Will
reveal all next on news Talk said, b's just gone

(23:13):
quarter to five, So we have a result in Aaron Patterson,
the Mushroom Lady trial over in Australia. Guilty guilty, guilty, guilty,
guilty on all counts. And I said to Laura, I said,
is it too really? Do you think to ask for
suggestions on what the Netflix show will be called? Because
inevitably there'll be a Netflix Apparently it's already been announced.
It's already the trial has just got a guilty verdict.

(23:34):
The Netflix series has already been announced and they've called
it toxic. So I thought it was a bit lame,
so I'm just putting it out there. If anyone's got
any can go one better on toxic, then nine two
ninety two is the number to text. I was sort
of thinking maybe something like, because it's Australian but you'll
have an international audience. Maybe just you know, the front
cover of the DVD or the movie or whatever is

(23:55):
Aaron Patterson at the table and no one else and
it just says, where the bloody how are you? It's
fourteen away.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
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Speaker 3 (24:10):
Thomas Cogman's with us in parliament. Heye Thomas out afternoon, Ryan,
Good afternoon. So we have a former broadcaster in the running.
I did say earlier. Is the candidate but not yet
the candidate for to party?

Speaker 15 (24:22):
Marty's Thomakimikodo see yeah or any Caipito's formerly of news Hub.
I thinks she left that role in twenty twenty three.
She was fronting one of the afternoon shows. Thinks she
did the nation a bit as well, so so some
political experience there. The nominations closed this afternoon, so you know,

(24:44):
if if you're looking to throw your head in the ring.
You don't have much time, and we'll get where we're
We're thinking we'll get a confirmed candidate by the end
of the week. For Party, Marti Labor has, as I
understand it, a quite a complic catered constitutional process for this,
So they are actually waiting for the Prime Minister to

(25:04):
set the date for the by election, and once he
does that then their constitutional cogs can start turning and
they can start selecting a candidate as well. I do
think that they will be running a candidate. There had
been some speculation that they wouldn't out of respect to
the fact that the former MP Taka tash Camp had
passed away.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
I think she's going to be really hard to beat
for two reasons. One, they've got to party. Marty's got
their ground game going strong, and they're not starting from
a standing position. But also alread Any I've worked very
closely with her for many years, is an incredibly smart, funny,
you know, graceful. She's quite a stoic person, lots of money.

(25:46):
Won't get down and play dirty in the sampit or
get riled by Winston when he yails out across the house.
That's not her Emo, So she would be very different
to Party Marty MP.

Speaker 15 (25:55):
I think yeah, And I mean I haven't worked and
I can't say claim to know her particularly well, but
I do think as well. You know that the Electric
obviously the race was lost last time Penny here and
they lost it by forty two votes. Obviously, so Labor,
you know, if you're looking at the numbers, you'd have
to say, well, Labor is within striking distance of taking

(26:17):
it back. But when you think about it, you know
twenty twenty three, all the things that have happened since
twenty twenty three, You've had the toyto t tidity movement,
the whole Tree Principal's Bill controversy come up, and to
Party Maori has been prosecuting that day after day, week
after week. They've really attached themselves to this, you know,
every issue that is popping up in Maori, in the

(26:39):
Maori world, they've attached themselves too. So I think that
the context of this race is completely different to the
context of twenty twenty three. But you know, could be wrong.
These these electric races go and a number of different ways.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, they do. Hey, this Select Committee for what Seymour's Bill,
the Regulatory Standards Bill has begun. What are we and
so far?

Speaker 15 (27:01):
Yeah, it's it's it has been pretty negative today so
and most of the written submissions were were negative too.
We had Jeffrey Palmer, the former Prime Minister, and today
an interesting submission from him. He he made the point
that it is a very the sort of the work

(27:22):
to actually implement this bill. And I think he had
the number eleven hundred statutes that that that are an
application in New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (27:31):
And the idea of of of.

Speaker 15 (27:35):
Of regulating the regulation when there is so much regulation
is an enormous amount of work, a terrific amount of
extra work, is that is what he sort of said,
because there's just there is just so much. And the
other sort of thing I guess is that it is
interesting to see that a lot of the opposition to
the bill there is the sense that some of it

(27:58):
is fighting a straw man. I mean, David Seymour is
getting quite angry, calling his well perhaps not angry, but
his Regulatory Standards Bill derangement syndrome. There is the sort
of sense that some of the criticism is that this
is a somewhat constitutional piece of legislation that has quite

(28:18):
a powerful application that almost would be like a Supreme
Court in the United States, that it could strike down
the will of a government if it wish to. There
has been that kind of floating around the bill, that allegation,
which is incorrect. It doesn't actually have that power, which
of course begs the question what is the point of
this bill? And that is sort of one of the

(28:40):
criticisms being made by Labor's Duncan Web that it actually
isn't as powerful as some of its critics think it
to be. But that, of course the question is why bother.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't that. On the one Han,
you got people saying this will be the end of
the world and the other people saying it will have
no effect on the world whatsoever. So who do we believe?
Thank you very much for that. That is Times Cogland,
New Zealand Herald political editor with us from Wellington nine
away from five brig. You're very funny, aren't you, Ryan
the Shroom of Doom. These are names for Aaron Patterson's
Netflix series ideas. Come up with your hard working selves, Ryan,

(29:15):
the Shroom of Doom got beef, which I quite like. Ryan.
Guess who's coming to dinner Part two, Ryan, This is
quite clever. Beef Lies and alibis the Netflix series coming
to you soon. But my favorite is quite simple, and
we'll go to the break with this one. Just Australian

(29:37):
master chef putting.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
The tough questions to the newspeakers. Some Mike asking breakfast.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
We have Deputy Prime Minister David Cymour this independent costing unit.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Do you think this idea is dead now?

Speaker 7 (29:47):
I do.

Speaker 16 (29:47):
I don't think it's ever made sense, speaking just for
a moment for the party. We've put out fully costed
alternative budget every year we've been in opposition, never had
a problem, so there's no need for this thing. On
the other hand, do you want the bureaucracy, who, by
the way, gets stuff all the time?

Speaker 3 (30:00):
You know, just because you.

Speaker 16 (30:01):
Get a job at a government department doesn't mean you're
suddenly right about everything. Do you want them to effectively
be the gatekeepers to the policies in the election when
the whole point of the election is to hold them accountal?

Speaker 3 (30:10):
On the first play, would we pay for stuff that
you guys as political parties are paying for yourself? Absolutely're right?

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Hither duplicy Ellen on the Mike hosting Breakfast Back tomorrow
at six am with the land Rover Discovery on News Talks.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
B You're on news Talks. It's five minutes away from
five after five o'clock. The question should just Cinda Adourn
return to New Zealand and face the music at the
COVID inquiry. It's taking place in Auckland at the moment,
well all over the country. And I asked the case
running the show today this morning on Herold Now, I said, look,
have you asked Cinda a Dune to come? He said, yes,

(30:45):
we have asked her to attend and don't know yet
what the answer is, whether she's lawyered up, what's happening.
But my question to you is do you think she
should She should come. They can't force her if she's
outside and this is rink, it's tricky. If she's outside
in New Zealand can't to come. You've got to ask
and hope that she will comply. But doesn't have to.

(31:06):
They have asked, and we don't know where that's sitting
at yet, but hopefully she will. Because there are questions
that people want answers to. Now, question that everyone wants
to know is are you cool or not, and that's
the topic of conversation for our panel after five point
thirty this evening. There are six characteristics and I'll just
leave them with you before we get to the panel.
By the way, none of the people on the panel

(31:27):
are cool. I can't even remember their names right now.
But that's so uncool are they that I don't recall
them anyway? Telling that one to his extroverted, hedonistic, powerful, adventurous,
open and autonomous. Pretty much anyone who is out there
doing something cool on their own and not worrying about
you other people find cool. That's the gist of it.

(31:49):
It's Morris Williamson and Joseph Bucgany. I got that right. Yeah, see,
neither of them coll.

Speaker 7 (31:57):
No.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Actually, Josie, you would have to say, is pretty cool.
She's out there doing stuff in the world on her own,
quite autonomous. Anyway, now that I've put them down, they'll
be with us after five point thirty. Coming up next though,
we'll talk about just under ajourn and whether she should
be made to come home and face music At that
COVID inquiry News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Be questions, answers, facts, analysis, The drive show you trust

(33:10):
for the full picture. Brian Bridge On, Heather Dupless Allen
Drive with One New Zealand Let's Get Connected.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
News Talk said be.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Good evening at a seven after five News Talks said
be mushroom.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
Murderer.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Aaron Patterson has been found guilty on all counts this afternoon.
This after deliberation of more than a week by the jury.
They found her guilty the murder of Gail and Donald Patterson,
her in laws, and Heather Wilkinson guilty. Also the attempted
murder of Ian Wilkinson, Heather's husband who survived after being
in a coma as ez Al Saphine. As One News

(33:41):
Australia correspondent with US tonight as these how did that
go down in the court?

Speaker 12 (33:46):
Oh, Shelder, Ryan look Att, has been quite a hectic day.
I can tell you that much. As those charges were
read out. Aaron Patterson sat there quite neutral faced as
she heard her fate. It has been a bit of
a I suppose media circus A lot of people would
have described. There has been media from all around the

(34:07):
world covering this case. I spent a lot of time
in more Will in the past couple of weeks. I
can tell you it has been an interesting case to cover.
But look, yes, she has been found guilty on all charges,
those three murder charges and that one attempted murder charge. Now,
when those charges were read out, when the verdict was

(34:29):
read out, Justice bal of course had thanked the jury,
apologizing that this case has gone on for as long
as it has. I'll remind you it was only put
down for six weeks. We are now in its mae
ninth eleventh week. And so he apologized to the jury,
but really just thanked them for their service. You know,

(34:50):
there's been one hundred and twenty five pieces of evidence
that have been put forward to them that had to
analyze an eighty six page chronology of all the testimony
it's happened to in the past ten weeks, and so
as you can imagine, a really big responsibility for this
jury to get it right.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, and they've certainly come to a decision, though it
took them a while. There were a few slam dunk arguments.
You know, there was a different colored plates, there was
the throwing the dehydrator away in the jury obviously finding
this stuff pretty convincing.

Speaker 12 (35:19):
Oh, absolutely, yes, that's that's right. So Nanette Rodgers for
the prosecution essentially based the case on what she called
the four deceptions, the four core deceptions that Aaron Patterson
took part in in what ultimately was a sustained cover up,

(35:40):
the first of course, being about lying about having cancer.
And that is essentially what Nannette Rodgers said Aaron Patterson
did to law her family in to that lunch on
July twenty nine, twenty twenty three. She said that Aaron
Patterson tried to gain sympathy in that act and and

(36:00):
as well as law of them really just get them
all there in one spot. Now. The second deception that
she talked about, as you mentioned, was where the mushrooms
came from?

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Now?

Speaker 12 (36:11):
During her testimony, and I'll remind you, Aaron Patterson herself
took the stand, which she didn't need to for eight
days in the witness box, and she talked about she
was asked about rather where the mushrooms came from.

Speaker 17 (36:24):
Now.

Speaker 12 (36:24):
Sally and Atkinson was the health official that was tasked
with investigating this particular this particular part of the story
after the lunch, and what she said in her testimony
was that Aaron Patterson was really hard to get a
hold of that. When she did get a hold of her.
Her story kept changing, and you might remember she said

(36:47):
she gave multiple accounts of where these mushrooms came from,
at one point mentioning an Asian grosser couldn't mention it
by name, and then changing it to a you know,
a supermarket, a woollies of sorts. And so the problem
with that was what Sally Anne Atkinson talked about in
the trial was that it created, you know, a public

(37:11):
health scare, and so they were worried that there were
potentially these mushrooms in the supermarkets that were getting other
people sick, and so that was really part of her testimony.
The third, as you also mentioned, is the third dehydrator.
So initially Aaron Patterson told police she ever owned one
and then later admitted to dumping it after there was

(37:32):
evidence presented in court of CCTV of a woman dumping
a food dehydrator in court, which by the way, later
tested for deathcat mushrooms.

Speaker 18 (37:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Never a great look is it? As these a fascinating
case that we have followed closely, just very quickly. How
long could she get.

Speaker 12 (37:52):
I mean this could be life in prison. So with that,
I think it's around forty five to fifty years and
in Victory Warrior. So but look, we just don't know
what could happen. Then might be an appeals process. Their
court is going to convene tomorrow and then we'll find
out what happens after that, whether there's any when sentencing

(38:14):
could be And of course I'll remind you as well
that is of course when the defense will come out
and really make a case for what kind of sentence
Aaron Patterson will get.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Because these also seen One News Australia correspondent Time twelve
after five, Ryan Bridge, Part two of the COVID inquiry
in a cinema near you. This is the big Royal
commission underway. This phase of the inquiry looks at Lockdown's
vaccine mandates, all the really interesting stuff, terrible stuff, but
interesting stuff. This morning I caught up with the inquiry
chair Grant Ellingworth's case and I asked him on Herald

(38:46):
Now whether former Prime Minister to Cinder a Dune will
speak to the inquiry. At any point you'll ask just
Cinder a Dune to come. We will ask a number
of people to come, including to Cinda a Durn. Well,
we haven't formulated the final list. Why wouldn't you put
her on this, she made all the big calls.

Speaker 7 (39:03):
Well, there are issues in relation to our powers when
people are out of the country, for example.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Ah, so you've got to be in the country for
the jurisdiction to stick. If you're not, it doesn't. So
Ian Taylor's written, well, just a few open letters to
the prime minister, former prime minister in his time, and
he's with me this evening. Good evening, How are you good?
Thank you, thanks for being with me. Do you think
that just under Adurn should get the call up? Take

(39:30):
the call up?

Speaker 18 (39:32):
I mean, I think it would be wonderful if she did.
I mean it would perhaps reinforce the concept that, you know,
everything she did was to be kind, to be part
of the team of five million. And this is the
time for the team of five million to come together
to figure out, you know, how we deal to this
better next time, what went wrong, and to answer some

(39:55):
of the really really big questions that have never been addressed.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Do you think people want answers or do you think
people want apologies or scalps?

Speaker 18 (40:07):
I think, you know, if I look at the feedback
that I'm seeing on my last open letter, I mean,
there are people screaming for scalps, screaming for my scalp,
screaming for hers. One of the things I think we
do far too much of is yell at each other
in New Zealand. And you know, we've got to stop

(40:29):
that yelling. But somewhere along the line there is a
line to be drawn. And I am very comfortable with
what I wrote. It took me a long time to
do it. I thought very hard about it. But as
I watched the PR machinery kind of arrive in New

(40:49):
Zealand for the for the memoir, I could not forget
the voices of those who had called me while I
was arguing for different ways of doing this, and the
families who kid couldn't get home, my friend Mike Steadman
who was dying of cancer and couldn't get his gwend
kids back. I mean, there were thousands of those stories

(41:11):
and we had offered a solution and it wasn't taken up. C.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Taylor, Animation Research Managing Director, appreciate your time. A writer
of many letters to our former Prime Minister, who will
likely be invited whether she comes to the Royal Commission,
the COVID Commission of Inquiry, very different question quarter past five,
you're on news talks, there'd be still to con well
loads more. Actually, we're going to talk about this very

(41:39):
strange thing that's happening in the UK where people are
being bought purchased brand new cars by the taxpayer. How
do you get a brand new car? Well, there's a
secret word and they were giving them out. You know,
thousands of these things. It's not just a couple, thousands
of these things that come in your way in a
few moments. Also, the golf course in Auckland that everyone's

(42:00):
with flood needed to be made into a wet floodplain.
Well we have a result there too. That's next us
talk said be It's five eighteen. Takapuna Golf Course has
been thrown a lifeline All con Council today announcing it'll
develop the golf course into a wetland but the area
could still house a redesigned golf course in the future.

(42:21):
There have been widespread protests you'll know about these against
the council planned by golfers including Ryan Fox. Tom Mansell
is the head of Sustainable Partnerships at allgand Council with
me tonight.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Hi Tom, Hi, thank you for having me, yes, what are.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
The chances really of there still being a golf course
here after the wetland's done.

Speaker 19 (42:41):
So theland there's two parts to this. There's one is
the wetland, which is wet and obviously we're going down
to groundwater. Then there's the dry detention area, which is
dry most of the time and just uses the area
when it floods.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
The wet of the area is only about thirty.

Speaker 19 (42:56):
Percent of the a of Thomas or the current golf course,
so quite a small, not a huge amount of area.
And then the rest there's another probably twenty five percent,
which is the dry detention. Then there's the dry area
as well.

Speaker 12 (43:12):
So what.

Speaker 19 (43:15):
Happens that we realize the importance and recreation in this area.
What we need to do as first and foremost is
detain the water to reduce flooding downstream. That is the
most important thing. Once we've done that, we'll then design
there's a lot of space for recreation golf included.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
In that, right, So Legius, pain in you a picture
when I'm looking at it. Once you've done the wetland's
got all the work done that you need to keep
people safe. When I look out at this, what do
I see grass or do I see you know, flaxes
and stuff like typical wetland. What am I looking at?

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Okay?

Speaker 19 (43:52):
So the actual that wet the wetland will be wetted
areas and will have walkway cycle ways quite a high
hassive recreation. The remaining area is almost like a blank
canvas and that can be used for golf or what
other recreational users uses. It's up to the local Kaipatock

(44:12):
board to decide what they want to put on the
rest of the area.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
So plenty of roads, plenty of roads, no ecological reasons
why you couldn't so you could have? Why not an
eighteen hole instead of a nine? You said there's only
going to be room for a nine? Is that because
of the space for the wetland.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Well, I'm not a golf designer.

Speaker 19 (44:31):
So what we don't want is having golf throughout the
wetland area. We don't think that is maintainable or fund
or feasible. If they could put in the remaining area,
if they can fit an eighteen hole, and that's what
the Kaipatoke board want, then we'll work with that.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
It's you know, what did this work have to be
done on a scale of one to ten, like will
people die if it didn't happen.

Speaker 19 (44:57):
Well, since this all started in the twenty twenty three
the devastating floods there, so this work has to happen.
The insurance are backing wanting this work to happen. The
affected residents. We've just purchased one hundred and forty houses
that were flooded to extent where it was a risk
to life downstream of this of the A.

Speaker 17 (45:18):
Thomas Park. So it is work.

Speaker 19 (45:21):
This is a stage one of Stage three and Stage
one is funded but part funded by the government. It's
critical infrastructure works to keep this community safe.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
It has to happen.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
So the rest of it's not funded. So any new
golf course I need to have its own funding.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
That's right, the government.

Speaker 19 (45:39):
We've got a contract with the government and they will
pay for stormwater mitigation, flood mitigation, but any other recreation
golf needs to be funded.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yes, golf is definitely nice to have, isn't it all right? Well,
it sounds like you've kind of come up with a
bit of a compromise there. Tom will wait and see
what happens. Great, Yeah, thank you for your time to Ansel,
their head of sustainable Partnerships at Auckland Council. Sounds all
quite good, doesn't it. Everyone got what they wanted out
of that. I don't know, just something tells me that

(46:09):
down the line somewhere there'll be a really really heaved
off Ryan Fox. You know, you know Sinking is trying
to put his way out of a wetland. It's just
gone twenty two minutes after five news talks. He'd be
coming up next the group that wants to stop shop
owners from restraining children even if they're thieving.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Informed inside into today's issues, it's Ryan Bridge on Hither
dupericy Ellen drive with one.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
New Zealand Let's get connected, News Talks, said.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Be On News Talks, said be Gandhy. What better thing
to do on a Monday evening than quote Gandhy, He
once said words to the effect of people tend to
forget their duties, but remember their rights. Now that we
live in a post Gandhi world where if you haven't
got food in your hand, you're entitled to take it
from somebody else's. You know that food is your right,

(47:04):
your human right. If you haven't got enough, then take
it from somebody who does you can basically take what
you want. That's the that's the theory. The problem with this,
as we all know, is that in stealing that loaf
of bread or that packet of biscuits you think ought
to be yours, you're impinging on the rights of others,
the ones who bought the tim Tams in the first place.

(47:24):
Attitudes like this lead us inevitably to anarchy. Forget colonialism.
Anarchy not a fun way to live. Ask anyone living
in Haiti right now today we're arguing about where the
children who are under eighteen should be the subject of
a citizen's arrest. Now there is a very loud group
of academics, the Children's commissioner, included political parties. They say, no,

(47:50):
how awful, you must never restrain a child. But if
that child is stealing perhaps food, perhaps alcohol, perhaps vapes,
to stand back and let it happen. And what do
we think little Johnny will still tomorrow if it gets
away with today? You know, forget about chocolates or candy.

(48:13):
Might be a car Who wants a car when you
can take a life. And so it goes on. So,
unless we all want to descend into an unbearable brutal
system of anarchy. Can I just suggest we hold people,
no matter their age, responsible for the laws that they break,
the lives that they shatter, and the people that they hurt.
That way they might learn to appreciate the rights they

(48:36):
can enjoy so long as their duties are first taken
care of. Ryan Bridge five twenty seven. Thank you very much.
Nine two is the number to text. We'd love to
hear from you. We are talking to our panel about this.
By the way, our Dodor de Claire Aarkmunt, who is
the Children's Commissioner on the show after five point thirty.
Marris Williamson and Joseph Bugani will be here on the

(48:58):
huddle after that, and I will tell you how if
you're a British citizen you're able to get your hands
on a brand new car fully funded by the taxpayer.
It's an incredible story out of the UK. We'll get
to that afternoons as well. Right here on News Talks
a b.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home, it's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duplicy allan drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news Talk.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Said b.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Todavening. It is Monday, the seventh of July, twenty four
minutes away from sixth Great to have your company this evening.
Simmon Brown has announced a new board for Health New Zealand,
and I'll tell you who's on the board after sex
he will be with us. But also he's got a
Crown Observer in there, so whoever he's appointing clearly he
doesn't trust already. Why else would you appoint the Crown Observer?
Be like getting married and then having a PI following

(50:15):
your spouse around to see if they're cheating, wouldn't it. Anyway,
we'll talk to him after six o'clock about why exactly
he's doing that. We're also going to talk to our
panel this evening. Morris Williamson, who is in the studio
or will be in the studio with us alongside alongside

(50:37):
our other guests this afternoon. Whose name has just completely
slipped my tip of my tongue.

Speaker 20 (50:43):
I'm sitting right opposite you, Ryan, Josie PEGANI looking at
these guys for about fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Help me forgive me My mind was in a thousand places, Josie.
It is twenty three minutes away from six o'clock. Crayon Bridge,
the Chief Children's Commissioner. This is going well. The Chief
Children's Commissioner has spoken out against the proposed changes to
our citizens' arrest laws. The government wants to make it

(51:12):
easier to make citizens arrest, but the Commissioner says members
of the public shouldn't be allowed to arrest children and
young people. Doctor Claire Hmad is the Chief Children's Commissioner
and is with me this evening. Hi Claire, Hi Ryan
with children anyone under eighteen?

Speaker 21 (51:28):
Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
And if they are stealing something it's from your store,
you shouldn't be able to hold them until the police
get there. Why not?

Speaker 10 (51:38):
Well, first of all, I want to acknowledge straight up
front that I want our communities to be safe. I
don't want children to be involved in these kinds of situations,
and I want shopkeepers to be safe in doing their work.
But this proposal, in my view, it is just too
risky for children and actually for everyone involved. What's too risky, Well,

(52:02):
this whole concept of citizens arrests for children in these
kinds of situations. Why I believe that is too risky
is that it actually puts children potentially in danger. On
two sides of the coins. So potentially children who might
be subject to a citizen's arrest, but then also children

(52:24):
who might be actually the workers in these kinds of settings,
because we need to remember that a quarter of our
retail workers in Altiero and New Zealand are actually aged
between fifteen to twenty four. And why I say that
it raises a risk of danger for children and young
people is that citizens arrest they can actually quickly go wrong.

(52:45):
And a number of agencies that have given advice to
the government on this police justice or in a Tamareki
Crown law, among others, they've highlighted this risk around actually
violence could escalate in these types of situations. Want to
see that avoided here, and there are alternatives.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
You said that this would be brought upon the child,
but if they're stealing, they've brought it upon themselves, haven't they.

Speaker 10 (53:13):
Look, I don't want children stealing, and I think most.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Problem as they do. The problem is they do, and
they do it repeatedly, brazenly during the day, often with weapons.

Speaker 10 (53:26):
And I acknowledge those situations.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Well what do we do about it?

Speaker 10 (53:31):
Well, we, first of all, we must be concerned about
this and I am concerned about this.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Okay, we're all concerned. But what do you do they
come in, they steal stuff from your shop. This is
the profit of which you will use to get your
kids through school. What would you like the shop owners
to do to try and talk to them?

Speaker 10 (53:50):
Well, first of all, I actually would like get shop owners,
as I'm sure they do, to call the police, because
we have a law enforcement agency New Zealand, and.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
The kids are gone by the time the police turn up,
they're wearing masks, they don't find them.

Speaker 10 (54:07):
Well, I think that given the risks involved here, we
have to see this in a in a balance way.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
I am concerned, so you would involved here, Okay, I
get it that there's a risk that, you know, on
the off chance that some kid might get hurt when
they're being restrained. But you're saying that the risk that
on the off chance that some kid might get hurt
while they're being restrained out wighs the overwhelming financial burden
that this is placing on shop owners, not to mention

(54:36):
the fact that they're scared too.

Speaker 10 (54:40):
I actually don't think that this proposed change, though, is
going to solve this problem, and so I really want
to see a stronger focus on preventing these kinds of
situations in the first place. As I said before, I
don't want us to be a country in which we
see children stealing from shops. There are things that we
ca and do focus on preventing retail crime from happening

(55:03):
in the first place. And I also want to make
it absolutely clear that when children and young people don't
engage in this behavior, there does need to be appropriate
accountability for them to take responsibility for those actions. But
this proposal, it's not striking the right balance.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Doctor claar Upmard, appreciate your time this evening. That's the
Chief Children's Commissioner time is nineteen to six.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
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Speaker 3 (55:33):
For you joining me tonight the one on I New
Joseph Bucganni's CEO of Child Fun Josie good evening. Hello, Hello,
and Morris Williamson's here too, or can Counsel, the former
National Party minister. Hey, Morris, good to have you on
the program. I know you are there. We'll start with you, Josie,
what did you make of our Children's Commissioner?

Speaker 20 (55:52):
Well, the problem is it's the old Blair right thing.
You've got to be tough on crime, tough on the
causes of crime. So the problem I actually agree with her,
I don't think this is the right thing. Partly. I
mean I work for a child focused organization. I see
violence against children all the time, and the problem with
the sort of vigilante approach is it's actually really hard
to restrain, you know, a fifteen year old child or

(56:14):
a ten year old child or something without knowing how
not to hurt them. And you know, you've seen things
in places like the US where we had a vigilante
couple a couple of years ago shot a guy, an
African American black guy who they thought would had robbed
a house. Turns out he was completely innocent. They shot
him dead and they were saying it was a citizens
citizens action.

Speaker 7 (56:34):
Right.

Speaker 20 (56:35):
So, but the problem with the interview you just did
is that you've got to say what you're going to do.
You've got to be tough on crime before you're tough
on the causes of crime. Otherwise people don't give you
the license to do the courses right. So the problem
that she's got there, she didn't come up with what
on earth the shopkeepers do. And for me, you're right,
You're right Ryan that if she you call the police,

(56:56):
police aren't going to come straight away. But it has
to be resourcing the police. And if it's local police,
if you know that there's a supermarket or retail shop
that's getting targeted, please should be around that shop all
the time. We've got to resource the police to do that.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Morris. Back in the day you didn't have enough comps
to do any much much of any beatwork, but yet
you had people who were honest and if something like
that happened in in a general store, they can have
been held until the parents arrived.

Speaker 21 (57:24):
Yeah. Look, I'm just about to explode with that previous interview.
I've never heard such rubbish in my whole bloody line.
She says, we've got to do a different way, but
not one item of what you would do. And you
can't retain some of these little thugs. Some of these
people are wandering around with buddy weapons and so on. Now,
I do know you've got to do it carefully. You
can't just have a young shop attendant grab someone. That's

(57:46):
a problem. But if we maybe we could actually license
some of the security people that they have at these places,
and if they've got licenses, they can retain some of
the little wrap bags. But if we just leave it
at open Slava, it just keeps growing, getting worse. And
they know they actually sum their nose that the shopkeepers
out here, they some they not say you can't touch me,
you can't do anything. Well, I'm sorry, but I'm completely

(58:08):
in the opposite camp for the previous inter you you did,
I think the little basard should be locked up.

Speaker 20 (58:13):
Yeah, So that the reason this is all happening as well, Morris,
is because you know, a few weeks ago we had
the police. Someone sent out an email saying, oh, we're
only going to go to shoplifting above a certain value,
right five hundred bucks, And so everybody, retailers went, what
the hell, Well, what are we going to do about
the you know, stealing the crunchy bar and the shampoos
and whatnot. So you've got to answer that question. You're right,

(58:35):
and maybe training security guards is a good idea, but
you've got to fund the police.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
You do.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
But the other thing about all of this is being
poor does not make you immoral. Like I'm sick of this.
I'm sick of this shit, frankly from the left, you
know does just because you are poor, that does not
mean you will steal something. There are plenty of poor people,
aren't there who don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
And I.

Speaker 21 (58:58):
Go back to the depression, go back to the good
lord standing in line and cues for soup, but a
soup kitchen with no food nothing. Did they go out
and you know, steal and beat up people and beat
up shopkeepers? No they did not. We never had that,
and we've allowed this. This is a problem we've allowed
to happen. And now desperate situations call for desperate measures.

Speaker 20 (59:19):
In my view, the one thing I would say you
said earlier, Ryan, I heard you that, you know, not
arresting these kids or not having consequences for these kids
leads to anarchy, absolutely right. I would argue that a
vigilante culture could also.

Speaker 17 (59:31):
Lead to that.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
I do agree with that too. So there's a fine
line to be head somewhere, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (59:35):
But it's not a vigilante culture if you've got it
properly managed. If you've got people who have been checked
in and past, they've got a security code. They are
people that are employed to do so, they know how
they work. I don't want the kids hurt. I want
them detained. It's not an arrest, it's detained until the
police can come. The problem I've got out here. The
number of shopkeepers have said we've called the police and
the police said, look, you just have to wait. We

(59:56):
haven't got anybody available for the next few hours. And
it's just it's just it's literally sending a signal. Keep
doing it because you'll.

Speaker 7 (01:00:03):
Get away with it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
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Great to have your company for the huddle tonight. Joseph Bugani,
the chief executive at ChildFund, and Marris Williamson orkand Council,
a former National Party minister. The COVID Inquiry Part two
coming to a cinemon EU. In fact, it started today
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(01:00:40):
can't go anywhere. These people anyway, Part two of the
inquiry underway, and the chair confirming to me this morning
that they are basically going to ask Jacinda Adourn to
give testimony, but you have to be in New Zealand
in order for their jurisdiction to stick. Josie, do you
think well, one, she will clearly be asked, but two

(01:01:02):
do you think she will return even if it's fine
video link to answer questions?

Speaker 20 (01:01:07):
Well, you'd have to ask the question why wouldn't she
if she's so pleased with the COVID response, you know,
and I say that as someone who was supportive of
the initial lockdown as most people were, but also frustrated
during COVID And since that we haven't really dug into
not how decisions were made, but what decisions were made

(01:01:30):
was how did they make a decision to close grengrosses
and butchers but keep the supermarket open? How did they
make a decision for extended lockdowns? Why did they make
a decision about m i Q that was so draconian
for families? So we do want to look at you know,
was there a better way to do it? And you
know we have to look all so internationally. I was

(01:01:52):
looking just before at the statistics for Sweden where they
didn't have a lockdown. Now you know Sweden had no lockdown.
They had they did have kind of social distancings and
stuff like that, but their COVID deaths were about the
middle range of all the Scandinavian countries in the Western
European countries that had lockdowns as well. That's interesting. I'm

(01:02:13):
not taking a position on that. I'm saying we should
examine that for next time to know whether they made
the right decision or not. Does just send a need
to be there? What are we going to hear from
her that she hasn't already said. I'm not sure that
we do need her there, But if she really felt
confident about the response, it was nothing to see here.
Why wouldn't she?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Why wouldn't you? What you got to hide would be
the thing that their questions would be the interesting part
for me, and to see where they got with them. Morris.

Speaker 21 (01:02:40):
This console general in Los Angeles when it hit, and
I was there for the whole first year of it.
I saw some heartbreaking family stories who couldn't get home
to see a dying relative, or kids who couldn't get
home to see somebody who was really serious, and I
kept saying, there's no need for this almost random lottery
MiQ system. I wrote some software because that's part of

(01:03:01):
my training and background. It's writing software, and I actually
wrote to both to Cinda and to Chippy, and I said,
I've got a model system where you'll earn points for
each day you're in the Q waiting. You'll bubble to
the top and eventually know when it is you'll get
your MiQ slot. We can give double points for those
who are locked overseas and wanting to get home compared
to those that are here and wanting to go after

(01:03:23):
Fiji or something. Because there were people getting MiQ who
were here already heating off for a holiday, which was nonsense.
And I got these bland letters back, both from just
Cinda and from Chippy. I No, we think the system
we've got us working perfectly well, Well it wasn't. It
was a disgrace. I came back in the end when
I was called back when it was all over, and
had to do MiQ at the yepurn A Hotel for

(01:03:45):
two weeks and it was hilarious. I was tested in
Los Angeles. I was tested at walking the airport when
we arrived. I was tested at MiQ at the actual hotel,
negative all three and then spent two weeks sitting in
a hotel while there were fifteen thousand cases of it
out on the street.

Speaker 20 (01:04:01):
And I don't want to see people put on trial.
I don't want the sense of you know, even just
Sindra or anyone who was involved in it, because they
were making difficult decisions with less information.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Than we have now.

Speaker 20 (01:04:12):
But where you're right, Morris, is that we need to
understand if they made a decision like m IQ, like
you know, Greenngrosser's closing and Butcher's closing or whatever, but
Supermarket's open, was there an alternative because we need to
know that for next time, and then we won't make
the same They're an alternative.

Speaker 21 (01:04:30):
Why take issue with that? Though, Josie is I gave
them what And if you talk to other people from
the computer society and someone who looked at the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Software inact, lots of people came saw my.

Speaker 21 (01:04:42):
System and said he really thought it was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
There you go, There you go, Maurics Williams and Josie
Biganei on the panel tonight. I think for me that
is the big issue too. Is did that? Yeah, they
made a bunch of decisions. They got a bunch of
stuff right, They've got a bunch of stuff wrong. But
were we too quick to dismiss the dissenting voice the
plan b is and did we ostracize them to our peril?

(01:05:06):
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The Brits have got basically a boon. If you're looking
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Apparently there are about ninety that they're looking into out
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(01:06:00):
car because they had food and tolerance. Another had social
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Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Be good evening. At a six half the six news talks,
there'd be Simmy and Brown health minister on his board
rejig and a second Shane solely on the markets, cannabis
industry regulations up the wazoo, stopping growth. We'll look at
that before the top of the R two and Gavin
Graham the UK lots to talk to him about, including
twenty years on from seven to seven. Can you believe it?
There's a Netflix documentary out at the moment actually about it,

(01:06:58):
which I highly recommend. Well the watch. It is seven
after six now, so we start with Samian Brown, health
minister who's with us. Snickler willis on holiday this week
we have Simion Brown. Good evening, Good evening, Ryan, Good
to have you on the show. Minister. So you're doing
a bit of a governance rejig health in z First
of all, why are you keeping less deliveryon for another month?

(01:07:18):
Another twelve months?

Speaker 22 (01:07:20):
This is about making sure we have a continuity of
leadership at Health New Zealand. The organization's going through a
reset in terms of its making sure it's refocused back
on patients and focused on delivery of our five health targets.
He's been our commissioner over the last twelve months and
has been instrumental in terms of bringing that refocus back

(01:07:41):
to the organization. And his role now is to make
sure that we continue to stabilize Health New Zealand so
it can continue to focus on getting those weightless under control,
ensuring patients can get the treatment they need in a
more timely body manner, and make sure that the organizations
are delivering within budget. But we've also, alongside him, appointed
a range of of board members who will work alongside

(01:08:03):
him to bring that focus for patients to this organization.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Is it possible he could go beyond the twelve months
or are you done with them after that?

Speaker 13 (01:08:12):
He's agreed to do another twelve months. We will be.

Speaker 22 (01:08:18):
A long term cheer later this year to replace Lester
from the middle of next year.

Speaker 13 (01:08:23):
Has done he has.

Speaker 22 (01:08:26):
He has done a good job in terms of bringing
that focus back to the organization of patients, putting the
focus on patients, delivering within budget, and making sure that
we are working towards achieving our health targets and the
work that you know we announced last week around the
electives boost, delivering more elective treatments with patients, that's you know,
the hip knees and cataract operations. That is the work

(01:08:48):
that he has been delivering for us, and that is
meaning that we're starting to see those weight times and
those WEIT lists actually reduced for patients needing those treatments.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
He's been delivering them through the private sector. I suppose
well has roll is.

Speaker 22 (01:09:00):
To make sure we're unlocking and you know, unlocking care
for patients, whether that's through the public system, private system.
My focus on hates to get the treatment they need,
a timely quality man.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Fair enough, Now, what faith confidence do you have in
Health New Zealand when you simultaneously appoint a board and
also and a Crown observer.

Speaker 22 (01:09:24):
Look, the key thing here is we need to make
sure this organization is delivering within its budget. It is
going through a time of change as we re establish
board governance, and this is about making sure that the
government continues to keep a particularly close eye around how
Health New Zealand's delivering within its budget and also against

(01:09:44):
those target measures. And so honey, order Balcott. It has
been a point as a Crown observer. It's not unusual
for Crown observers to be appointed. It's about supporting the
re establishment even.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
As you're an appointing the brand new board. So, Hammon,
when does the new board take.

Speaker 13 (01:09:56):
Effect from the twenty third of July?

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Twenty third of lie, how many people on the board are.

Speaker 13 (01:10:02):
We've appointed to seven members.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Seven members starting twenty third of July, and already you've
decided someone needs to hold the hand.

Speaker 22 (01:10:10):
Well two of the two of those boardbombers, one is
Lester Levy who is the commissioner, and one is Roger Jared,
who is the deputy commissioner.

Speaker 13 (01:10:19):
Five of them.

Speaker 22 (01:10:20):
I knew they were all incredibly experienced members, but look,
this is an organization.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Point, Commissioner. Every time you put five new people on
a board, do you.

Speaker 22 (01:10:30):
I guess the point that's going to point here is
this organization matters to all New Zealanders and its success
matters to all New Zealanders because health matters to all
New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Is education, So does education?

Speaker 13 (01:10:42):
What's incredibly focused?

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
I know you're incredibly focused, but just level with me, minister,
is this because you don't trust down the line at
Health en Z That's what this is about?

Speaker 22 (01:10:52):
Well, this is an organization which we inherited, which has
gone through a significant amount of changes. You may have
read the Deloitte report which was released earlier this year,
which showed while the last government amalgamated the twenty DHBs,
the funds inherent at Health New Zealand, they were operating
a thirty billion dollar organization out of an Excel spreadsheet.

(01:11:12):
That's not how you operated. That's not how you operate
a thirty billion dollar organization which delivers critical healthcare to
five million kiwis and so there are significant system changes
and processes that need to be developed. Your maturity of
this organization is significant, Is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
It fair to say, Minister, your once.

Speaker 22 (01:11:29):
Permitted to doing that through government putting a professional governance
board in place, but having an observer helps assist us
in delivering.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
That is it fair to stay just to use colloquial terms,
you're once bitten twice shine.

Speaker 22 (01:11:46):
Well, we want to make sure that Health New Zealand
is an organization that delivers for New Zealanders.

Speaker 13 (01:11:52):
That's what we're focused on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
When will the delivery happen, When is it going to
be back in surplus.

Speaker 22 (01:11:56):
Well, we're already seeing the weight light the weight times
come down for elect for the electives, we're starting to
see the specialist appointment waitlists come down. We're seeing our
emergency departments improve in terms of their weight times. We're
seeing immunization rates increase. So we are starting to see delivery,
which is very positive. There's a long way to go
that Health New Zealand is a massive organization. It's full

(01:12:18):
of incredible people who work incredibly hard. We're focused on
making sure that every quarter we continue to improve what
is delivered for New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
In Wellington, apparently they're going to lose maternity ward beds
to ed beds. Does that worry you?

Speaker 22 (01:12:36):
Look Healthy Uzian is consulting on a change. There is
a spere capacity in in terms of beds available in
terms of the average number which are utilized in that
part of the hospital. They're consulting about using a wing
of that part of the hospital for medical patients who
are currently waiting an ed because there's no beds available

(01:12:56):
on their part of the hospital.

Speaker 13 (01:12:58):
They're working with the clinician on that.

Speaker 22 (01:13:00):
It's about making sure that there is utilizing the capacity
that is available in the best interests of patients. Obviously,
there are things they need to work through with staff.
I've been I've had the assurance that they will work
through those issues with staff. That the patients who go
into that part of the hospital will obviously be in
a separate part. They'll be female patients. But you know,

(01:13:21):
this is a hospital which is severely capacity constrainted, as
the worst ed in terms of d performance in the country.
We're investing a significant amount of money to rebuild their
emergency department and put more beds into this hospital.

Speaker 13 (01:13:34):
But they do need to look, just like other hospitals.

Speaker 22 (01:13:36):
Do around the country, how do you maximize the use
of your beds to ensure that patients can be seen
and get the treatment they need. So, look, these are
always sensitive matters. They're working through it to make sure
that they can sound the best sounds like you're across it,
so do the best of patients.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
So no new mum would be kicked out of hospital
earlier than they needed to be discharged. No, no, no,
you'll confirm that for us. All right, that's good to know. Hey,
what about the sise you've mean lights that are lining
them up for a bit of a fire sale potentially
after the election when you guys get re elected. Have
you any on the list yet or whose top of
the list?

Speaker 13 (01:14:10):
Well, well, Ryan, we're not, we're not. We're not selling
so oz.

Speaker 22 (01:14:15):
What we are focused on is making sure they're actually
operating profitably and and enacting. In my job as the
CSOE Minister is to ensure that their focus is on
delivering for the government. There are a number of organized
number of those ees which I think in more challenging positions,
one of them particularly lend Corp, which has failed to

(01:14:38):
deliver over a longer period of time. And my focus
is very much on ensuring that business is doing what
it's core businesses, which is farming. It is it is
over the has got involved in various other activities and
my focus is get back to basics.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Yeah, okay, so Parmy number one, who'd be number two?

Speaker 17 (01:14:59):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
I thanks.

Speaker 22 (01:15:00):
My point my point here Ryan is we want these
companies to be operating profitably.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Yeah yeah, well I guess there's the question.

Speaker 13 (01:15:08):
It's delivering a return on a return on investment to
text pass.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
And if they can do that by election day, then
they won't be on the chopping block.

Speaker 22 (01:15:17):
Oh look, our focus, our focus, my focus is on
making sure that they are all right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Appreciate your time, minister, thanks so much for coming on
So Minister Health Minister Simeon Brown, you're on News Talk
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So that's next. Right now, we'll chicken with the markets changed,

(01:16:01):
Soally Harbors at Management with us Hey, Shane, get it Ryan.
How markets react to Trump's latest trade tariff announcements.

Speaker 8 (01:16:09):
Well, mister Trump is pretty good at keeping us on
our toes. The US shear market futures, This SMP futures
is what is telling us the market expecs to happen tonight.
Our time is down on point four percent after mister Trump,
he warned us that he's going to put sendings of
letters out to people up to ten to twelve on Friday,
and he's going to start sitting livies as much as

(01:16:29):
seventy percent unilesterally ahead of this July ninth deadline. So
he's throwing a few We're going to make this happen
things today. He's come out, he's on time this afternoon
and said he's going to put an extra ten percent
tariff on those countries aligned with Brooks. This is the
the emerging nations includes Russia and China, Brazil, and then

(01:16:51):
adding to the mixed, US Treasury secretary've scopped. They said
that he mister Trump may impose April sixond Liberation Day
level tariffs countries that don't reach a deal beginning of
the first of August. Now that is different from the
July to night, So that suggests that face for you,
you're going to see this extension of tariff pause again.
So that's what capital markets are thinking. We're all thinking

(01:17:14):
US government's going to push tariff's pauses out further. If
we don't get that, and if we actually get increased tariffs,
that would be a surprise for capital markets.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Yeah, okay, interesting. What about the RBA tomorrow their decision.

Speaker 8 (01:17:26):
Yeah, so the IRBA, Australia's central bankers, their bank in
Australia widely expected to deliver a point two five percent cut.
That's at four thirty Zone time, and that would take
Australia's official illustrate down to three point six from three
point eight five. At the moment, it's the key for market.
It's all about tone. Inflation's falling back to within the
irba's target bands, so they could do more cuts, but similarly,

(01:17:50):
they might want to wait and see how the three
twenty five basis points cuts through from December kick through.
That would be what's called a hawkish cut, so their
cut rates and then they'll say we're going to and
see the key thing from Zeona. Course on Wednesday, we've
got our own reserve bank coming out and markets aren't
expecting anything. Ryan, It's very much steady as she goes.
But there is a growing view that the RB has

(01:18:12):
some room to start talking about potentially cutting rates, and
that would be a what's called a dovish hole, so
they wouldn't cut, but they'd start talking about potentially cutting.
So quite a big difference between the RBA and the RB.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
And Z certainly is. And we've got our call obviously
this week as well. What about OPEK cranking up the
oil production. How's that been received?

Speaker 8 (01:18:32):
Yeah, actually quite poisively, just the increase in production, so
IPEK plus talking about increasing production by five hundred and
forty eight thousand barrels a day, very specific number, which
is up high then the previously indicated four hundred and
eleven thousand dollars barrels a day. What that's mean is
we're seeing the Brent oil price, the futures again, the

(01:18:52):
forward market, what markets may do overnight in New zeal
And time expecting their ore price to fall by zero
point seven percent, so just under one percent to just
over sixty eight dollars usp barrel, and of course that
lower au pros they'd be helpful, and tenions of inflation release,
maybe allowing some of those central bankers to think about
cutting rates again.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Perhaps, Ryan, that'd be nice. Shane, appreciate your time, Shane,
Solly Harbor Asset Management with us for a market rap
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Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Six twenty five on news Talk, said B. Let's get
you across your showbiz for today. Numbers are in for
how Lord's new album has performed sort to number one
on the New Zealand album charts. No problem, you'd expect that,
wouldn't you. However, Let's head Stateside album has come in
it number two. Who took out the top spot? That

(01:20:06):
was Morgan Wollan. The new country singer enjoying his seventh
week in a row at number one. He sold an
additional one hundred and seventy thousand units this week over
double the Kii sing is seventy one thousand album sales.
So just before we move on, but I was just
looking this up because seventy one thousand albums in a
week to me doesn't seem like a hell of a lot.
Most of them apparently vinyl. In fact, half of them

(01:20:28):
vinyl worth about sixty bucks. Let's do some rough mass
four point two million dollars in a week. She'd get
what ten percent at best f one hundred and twenty
k in a week. It's a very expensive lifestyle. She's
traveling back and forth between New York and New Zealand anyway,
though she did sell eight different variant vinyls of her
album to bolster these figures. There is someone hot on

(01:20:51):
the heels coming for Lord apparently. The soundtrack for the
new Netflix animated film K Pop Demon Hunters has risen
substantial from number eight to number three, but most of
the album's traction was over on streaming, where music from
the film was streamed more than seventy seven million times.
That's K pop for you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
That wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
They do everything on repeat?

Speaker 23 (01:21:20):
Seven persons.

Speaker 19 (01:21:47):
Board.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
You're listening to shape Shift that off the new Lord album.
She is number one here, number two in America. Coming
up after the news, we'll talk about weed something Lord
loves a lot, whether.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
It's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
It's all on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and
Mair's Insurance and investments.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
Grow your wealth, protect your future, use talk, said Bill.

Speaker 23 (01:22:24):
So Well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
I still see you. Good evening. It is twenty five
away from seven. You're on news talk, said b Lots
to get through before we had the tropicy r, including
our UK correspondent Gavin Gray is in the UK for
US tonight. Lot's talk to him about and we will
talk cannabis in the business of cannabis. I want to
see a movie on the weekend, if one with Brad Pitt,

(01:22:47):
highly recommend two hours thirty five minutes, like a good
any good race should be in there, round the track
and out. We didn't wuk around. We were straight in
as soon as we sat down. Move movie started. What
a dream, No bs, no nonsense, no flaky stuff, no
woky stuff, just a normal movie. A car that moves

(01:23:11):
very quickly around a track made of metal exhaust oil,
you know, co two who cares storyline. Look, it's not
going to change the world, But those movies never did,
did they. It was a guy that falls in love
with the girl and they go around the track and
she's making the engine, and that's probably quite you know,

(01:23:31):
twenty first century. She's the one designing the engine, he's
the one driving it. They fall in love and by
the end of it, everything's happy. Does he go off
the rails? Does he go off the road? Does he
crash the car? No, he doesn't. He gets the love
of his life, which he's needed because he's been alone
all of us. Anyway, I'm probably spoiling the story too. Anyway,
Just go and see it, do you know why? Because

(01:23:52):
it's normal. It's a normal movie. It's not like the
Pope one where the Pope one was so good and
then right at the end, oh it's the Pope that
it's a it's a woman man man, woman, And you're.

Speaker 24 (01:24:04):
So we're spoiling every movie that's come out in the life.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
That's an old one. That's an old one. We've had
a pope die and a new one anointed since then.
But you know what I'm saying, why can't movies just
be normal? And why do they have to be three
and a half hours. That's why I gave this one
a ten out of ten at two and a half
two hours, thirty five years and you're out. I even
had three chicken sliders and a Coke zero while I

(01:24:26):
was in there, which I actually have reconsidered that that
is a bad idea because it's kind of it's just rude.
It's a bit of a dick move, you know what
I mean. You're making noise, You're disturbing those around you.
Some people have their own little lamp that they turn
on to eat their chicken sliders, and I'm thinking, this
is not right. This is a movie theater, you know,

(01:24:48):
You know when you go to a restaurant.

Speaker 24 (01:24:49):
Food should have no place in a cinema, in a
movie theater either, Like the smell is just going to
bug people.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
I just yeah, ten to agree, ten to agree. And
when you've got a knife and a fork, when you've
got real cutlery and people who are sitting pretty much
in the dark. You know those restaurants where you go
where they're blind and you are dark dining. Yeah, dark dining.
It's dark dining, which is dumb dining because you're trying
to watch a movie and the cutlery. It's no, can't
do it anyway. It's twenty two minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Away from seven Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Now you know which movie to see and how to
see it and how it ends. Sorry about that all right?
Did you know all of the medicinal cannabis you can
buy here is imported? Yes, all of it comes from overseas,
despite local companies which know already, which are already up
and running and doing it quite well, thank you very much.

(01:25:39):
Medical marijuana company Puro has just signed a sixteen million
dollar distribution deal in the United Kingdom, but they say
red tape is stopping the company from selling domestically. Tim
Aldridge is the CEO of pre PRUO and is with me. Now, Hi, Tim,
how are you?

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
I'm good?

Speaker 17 (01:25:59):
Thanks? Cur was enjoying that that we move debriefly a right,
so it was to go check that one out.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
You will have to go and check it out, hey, Tim,
So this congratulations on signing this distribution deal. By the way,
that's massive, well done, But why can't you sell it here?

Speaker 18 (01:26:18):
Ah?

Speaker 17 (01:26:18):
Look so the I guess this time last year the
regulations changed so we could export, which was obviously something
we're very grateful for and is an amazing outcome for us.
So and this in the last twelve months, we've been
foot to the floor producing our products primarily for export markets.
We do have some local supply here and sort of
caveat not all cannabis is important, but almost. Also it's

(01:26:40):
very very hard for local companies like us to bring
our products to the market. In fact, it's just almost
it's just commercially challenging. So I mean the neat part
of that is obviously the export opportunities are enormous. The
demand for our products and the reception we're received offshore
for our products is incredible. But yes, as you say before,
it's it's just too difficult to sort of navigate the

(01:27:01):
regulatory environment here and it's a lot easier for us
to focus on the larger export markets instead.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
So you manufacture it here but then export there, but
you only have to make their standards, that is correct.

Speaker 17 (01:27:12):
So we're a grower, so we operate entirely in the
primary industry, and there are no manufacturers here or packaging.
Some companies here that can take our product and run
it through what's not as a GMP process. So it's
those sort of those companies and there are some facilities
in the pipeline. Hopefully they can come online in the
foreseeable future. But right here, right now, we have to

(01:27:33):
send their products to Australia to be packaged and then
obviously we could bring them back into the country, but
it's just cumbersome and it's expensive and it's quite time consuming,
and obviously they're already in the markets that we are
really targeting. Anyway, it just makes sense commercial sense for
us to focus on those markets. So we're in Australia
at the moment. The products have been incredibly well received

(01:27:54):
and as a touchop before just now it's the very
last deal with IPS Farmer in the UK to take
our products into lund and throughout the United Kingdom, and
there's this amazing opportunity not only for Pure but also
for the New Zealand industry to follow suit.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Well, dumbass, So what who is it which government agencies
specifically do we need to start hassling about this?

Speaker 17 (01:28:14):
So yeah, we obviously work with a lot of government
agencies and I wouldn't minds stat of doing a shout
out because there is left handed government that's been so
so supportive for us. So we've got the New Zealand
Trading Enterprise, the Ministry of Primary Industries and Treasury have
been outstanding and we wouldn't be able to get to
market and sort of achieve what we have achieved a
date without their support. But on the other hand we

(01:28:35):
sort of have aspects of government that are perhaps less supportive.
So obviously the Ministry Health is our regulator, who on
balance do do a good job. There's obviously some very
good people in there. We have a wonderful relationship with.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Them, throwing people under the bus, but yes, we would.

Speaker 17 (01:28:51):
Prefer if they could be a little bit more proactive
and supportive of the sector, just to ensure that we,
you know, here in New Zealand, we can obviously bring
our products to market because yea, we've got nearly a
thousand shoe holders with a huge community support. You know,
we're wonderful sort of success story as far as you know,
taking this new industry forward. And we get asked every
single day from our community why aren't our products available here?

(01:29:13):
For kiwis And sadly the simple answer is we're not
allowed to. So that that does sit with the ministry
healthy and obviously be a wonderful outcome if we could
have a more pragmatic conversation with them to chieve some change.
But until then, obviously we're very grateful to be able
to export and you know, it's a very successful.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Term, very diplomatically done. Well done on that. But also
I think I know where to go and her to
talk to. Do you think all of this, you know,
the the not fear, well, I guess it is a
bit of fear, but a bit of fear in the
red tape comes from the fact that it comes from
the fact that it's weed, and for a long time

(01:29:52):
it was well it's still illegal now, but it was
not to be used or even thought of for use,
and suddenly we've changed the things and it's to take
us a bit of time to catch up.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
That is correct.

Speaker 17 (01:30:04):
So there is a sort a lot of sort of
prehistoric stigma and concern around there around the products and
what we sort of have found that the New Zealand
sort of I guess approach to regular in the industry
is I didn't almost a bit uncertainty. So there is
you know, an element of risk involved, and because they're
not necessarily sure on how to manage that rest, they're
come in with a variable sledge hemmer and and sort

(01:30:26):
of effectively prevent us from accessing markets. So you're being
on it is it is a case of a bit
of bit of you know, a bit of history and
a bit of an uncertainty from you know, from from
the regulators and from aspects of government. But you know,
we've sort of proven over the last few years. You know,
the industry has been going for five years now and
we've sort of gained the social license that is needed

(01:30:47):
to you know, to build trust and relationships across all
the aspects of government. And obviously we'd welcome a conversation
with with our regulator and likewise of the Ministry for
Regulations to you to allow some pragmatic change and allow
kiwis to start accessing locally grow on products.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
In the meantime, Tim keep up the good work. Sounds
like you're doing lots of it. Tim Aldridge with us
the puro CEO. It has just gone seventeen minutes away
from seven. You're on news talk to he be lots
of text on eating in the cinema, Ryan, you were
using cutlerry to eat chicken sliders.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
What a dick.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
It's Steve, Yes, I was Steve. I couldn't even tell
you why I was doing that. I think just because
they were given to me, if I'm being honest with you,
and someone else says I saw the same movie This
is Muzz and Brad Pitt crashed a number of times. Yes,
of course he did crash in the movie. I mean
it's a movie. It has ups and downs, doesn't it.
I mean it's not all just one happy race. That

(01:31:40):
would be boring, wouldn't it. But at the end he survives.
You know, I've told you I've ruined the movie. He
survives and he marries the woman happily ever after. It's
sixteen Away from seven Next.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
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Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
Talks Envy Bit in Away from seven News Talk to
Big Devin Gray are UK correspondent with us this evening
Given Hello. In the twentieth anniversary of the London Tira
attacks seven seven, King Charles is calling on the nation
to remember Yes.

Speaker 9 (01:32:21):
That's right.

Speaker 25 (01:32:21):
The series of events ryan now through London today at
which the King, Prime Minister arether members of their royal
family are taking part and looking back on these attacks
which left fifty two people dead and more than seven
hundred and fifty injured on the seventh of July two
thousand and five on three underground trains and a bus.

(01:32:42):
He's going to see an important moment that twenty years on,
to see how has the country changed. Has it changed much?

Speaker 9 (01:32:48):
Well?

Speaker 25 (01:32:49):
King Charles's message saying that people stand united against those
who would seek to divide us. Condemning the senseless acts
of evil, The Prime Minister said that the country will
unite to remember the lives lost and all those whose
lives were changed forever. There were more than seven hundred
run who were injured as well, some of them with
life changing injuries. But these events today will also, i think,

(01:33:13):
be looking at what has caused them already. A former
senior police officer has described the fact that we can't
deny that foreign policy can sometimes impact what happens here
at home, of course, referring to the fact that Tony
blairs foreign policy was led to blame by many for

(01:33:34):
those attacks on the seventh of July. And currently, of course,
the UK stance over what's happening between Israel in Gaza
is another factor.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
Hey, what's going on with Poland the sending troops to
the border with Germany. What's that about?

Speaker 25 (01:33:49):
Yeah, five thousand troops and potentially as well as some
drones surveillance operators as well.

Speaker 9 (01:33:55):
This is all over a row.

Speaker 25 (01:33:57):
That has been going up between the governments in Wars
and Berlin in how to deal with refugees trying to
cross between the two countries. Now, for a long time,
Poland has been blaming Russia and Belarus for what it
believes is an orchestrated influx of migrants. In other words,
it's being alleged that Russia and Belarus are basically coaching

(01:34:20):
migrants to the border and then encouraging them to get
into Poland and other Eastern European countries. Now, both Belarus
and Russia deny that, but it has led to a sudden,
massive spike in the number of people from the East
trying to seek asylum in those countries. And it means

(01:34:40):
that sort of some migrants have literally been going ping
pong across the two countries of Poland and Germany and
the Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk's liberal government has been
accused by opposition parties there of accepting numerous illegal migrants
being sent back to Poland from Germany. Now to narrowly
survived a confidence vote in the Polish parliament, but the

(01:35:03):
president elect has campaigned on a promise to ensure that
basically policies favor polls over all other nationalities, including Ukrainian refugees.

Speaker 9 (01:35:14):
So a big, big change here.

Speaker 25 (01:35:16):
At the heart of you at workhose we're supposed to
have complete free movement of people.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
Yeah, interesting development, isn't it now? Nineteen twenty three the
last time that people swam in the sein and outside
of the Olympics, and now it's open for everybody apparently.
Will you be having a dip given.

Speaker 25 (01:35:32):
Ah ha ah No, I don't think I will. Still
a bit brown and murky for me. But the first,
very hardy, adventurous swimmers have been in for their dip.
So the ban came in in nineteen twenty three basically
because of pollution, and the French government spent an enormous
amount of money roughly two point eight billion New Zealand

(01:35:53):
dollars to tidy up the River Saine. The problem is
it's an old structure, rather like the Thames, and a
lot of fluent and fecal material ends up going into
the river. Now they managed to stop a lot of that,
and it is certainly better than it was as the
Thames is much better. But would I go in for
a dip, No, I don't think so. But this has

(01:36:14):
been a huge project, part incidentally of the promise to
the Olympic authorities that there would be a legacy following
last year's Olympics, that they were going to make the
river quality much better. But still I think with heavy rain,
I'm afraid some of that sort of excess water tends
to be washed in to the river with a whole
load of other things that we weren't mentioned, which did

(01:36:36):
lead to some very nasty stomach bugs in the past.
But nevertheless, always good to see some environmental measures. But
I have to say the bill seems inordinately high.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Yeah, totally out of WEK, doesn't it. Gevin, thank you
for that. Devin Gray are UK europe correspondent. Time is
eight minutes away from seven. You're on News Talk c B.
Would be back in just a moment. I have thought
of one final Netflix series titled for You for the
for the Mushroom Case. We might finish on that next.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
It is six minutes away from seven. Great to have
your company this afternoon. We've had loads of funny texts.
We've had loads of funny messages and I appreciate them all.
Nine two nine two the number text. I'll be back
with you tomorrow. In fact, I'll be back tomorrow at
seven am on Herald.

Speaker 14 (01:37:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
You can catch me on Herald dot co dot in
Zen wherever it is, and here with you covering for
Heather tomorrow afternoon from four o'clock. I look forward to
seeing you then. And it's what are we going out
to tonight?

Speaker 8 (01:37:37):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:37:37):
Didn't you have one more name for the Netflix series?

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
What are we doing that view?

Speaker 25 (01:37:40):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
Yeah, Shataka happens.

Speaker 24 (01:37:45):
Good work, good work, Ryan, good stuff. Can't wait to
see you again tomorrow. Someone you loved by Lewis Capaldi
to play us out tonight.

Speaker 15 (01:37:53):
Good news.

Speaker 24 (01:37:54):
Actually, Lewis Capaldi was meant to come to New Zealand
and play a show in Auckland and a show and
Wellington in twenty twenty three, but he had to pull
out because of health reasons. And generally when that happens
to New Zealand and they say oh it's all good,
old postpone and come back again, you sort of sit
there and you're like, okay, but is he ever going
to be back? Well, here's Lewis is going to be
back in November and December this year. He's going to
play a show at wolf Wroo Arena and christ Church

(01:38:15):
on Sunday November thirtieth and Auckland Spark Arena on Tuesday December,
the second no New Wellington show. So that's possibly a
slap in the face to the capital. But if you
did have a ticket to that show, or indeed the
other Auckland show he was going to do you get
to buy you get first go at buying the tickets
to this one, so it's nice. Yeah, that's right, and
you've got your money back. You should have got your
money back for the last one.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
So do you think he's just not going to Wellington
because it's gone to the dog since he last.

Speaker 24 (01:38:39):
Was Wow, that's all that's a that's a question, isn't it.
They certainly aren't telling us. They're just all of a sudden,
there's Auckland christ Church instead of walk On Wellington. But arrible,
but yeah. If you had a ticket to either of
the previous shows, you can buy your tickets from Thursday,
everybody else. If you sign up at secretsounds dot com,
you can get your tickets from Friday this week.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Brilliant, great guy, good intel and see to my everybody
have a g have a lovely evening.

Speaker 11 (01:39:03):
Saw me say it your sout sill a cold back
around for now. The table in Snai Fall, you know
he's to give me through it all a littlema God.

Speaker 13 (01:39:20):
And then you pulled the rod.

Speaker 11 (01:39:22):
I was scaring Cony used to being so waylve. And
now the tables in Snelli fol you know he has
to give me.

Speaker 23 (01:39:33):
Through it all a little guard out. And then you
pulled the rack. I was scary. Caddy used to be it.

Speaker 11 (01:39:42):
So we left the litta guard out and live you
pulled the round. I was scaring Cody used to being
so way lost.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
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