Full Show Podcast: 07 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Duplessy Drive with One New Zealand
Let's get connected news talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, get afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
unemployment numbers have come in better than expected. We'll speak
to Kiwibank's chief economists. We'll speak to the College of
Midwives about this pay equity situation. Plus Gregor Paul, the
sports writer for The Herald, on why we should ditch
postmatch interviews to avoid the F bomb.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Okay, let me make a prediction for you on this
pay equity drama that's been playing out for the last
twenty four plus hours. The government is going to pay
for this in a big way. I reckon that this
could become one of the defining moments of this government
when we look back on it in years to come,
kind of like the Mother of All Budgets came to
define Ruth Richardson and Bulger's government, and the way the
Cup of Tea came to define David Longi's government. I

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think this is a moment for this government, not because
it's the wrong thing for this government to do, but
because of the underhand and sneaky and cowardly way that
they have done it. Now, I personally think that the
pay equity system did need an overhaul. I mean, I
think it is ridiculous to have librarians, as I said yesterday,
compare themselves to engineers to justify similar pay. You can

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see those jobs are not even the same, right, But
I do not think that it should have been rushed
through with the shock and all that it has been.
An Act in particular, has spent so much time in
the past criticizing the previous Labor government for using parliamentary
urgency to get around normal processes and keep people out
of deliberations, and yet here they are doing exactly the

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same thing because it suits them. And this is significant.
It should have been flagged with people because it affects
so many people, And yet no indication whatsoever until yesterday
that this was going to happen. Where was it on
the list of quarterly on the list of the Prime
Minister's action plan for the first quarter, or even the

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second quarter, or any quarter. It's just popped up absolutely nowhere.
It's taken everybody by surprise. And what's more, they need
to stop pretending in government that this isn't being done
in a hurry to have an impact on the budget.
This is being done in a hurry to save money
for the budget. We know that because David Seymour said
so yesterday. So everyone and especially the National Party needs

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to pretend that this is being done for some sort
of principle when actually what it's being done for is
to save billions and billions and billions of dollars. The
primary problem here, I think is cowardice. It feels like
these guys are rushing this through as quickly as possible,
with as little notice as possible, so they do not
have to own their own decision. They should own it.
It's not a bad decision, but they're making it feel
like a bad decision. And I'll tell you what. Oppositions

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can sense weakness, and they know that these guys are
weak on this, and they're going to strike on it.
Which is why I think this government is itself making
this a defining moment.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Together do for sea Ellen Nine two nine.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Two is the text number. Standard text fees apply now
to Pakistan and India. The conflict there has escalated today,
hasn't it. Eight p People have died this morning in
Pakistan after India launched missiles at three regions, including the
Pakistan controlled and highly contested area of Kashmir.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
India's campaign is in response to a deadly terror attack
on the Indian side of Kashmir last week, which saw
twenty six people killed. Chris Ogden is the director of
Global Studies at Auckland University and with US Now, Hey, Chris, hey,
that are you worried about this given that both sides
have nuclear weapons?

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Absolutely, And I think also given that people have died
on the Pakistani side, undoubtedly Pakistan will retaliate if people
die on the Indian side. Then you're looking at kind
of mutual escalation.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Do you think, what do you think the most likely
outcomers here? Is there going to be restraint or is
it going to escalate?

Speaker 5 (03:44):
So I think both sides need to appease nationalist's voices
to say that they need to.

Speaker 6 (03:48):
Protect their countries.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
Strangely, even though both sides have nuclear weapons, am I
actually enhance the possibility for a limited war? And this
happened back in nineteen ninety nine when both size of
tested weapons in nineteen ninety eight. So I think both
sides have to show strength. They need to say that
they're speaking for their population. So I certainly don't think
it's just going to filter a way.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
So what happens next, do you think?

Speaker 5 (04:14):
I think we'll see what the Pakistani response is. I
think they're kind of high up military forces are meeting imminently.
I think undoubtedly they will retaliate. I think there's a
chance that they'll try to retaliate, not maybe as strongly
as India did, in a way to try and maybe
pull it back. But again, it depends what they do.
And certainly if people die on the Indian side, then

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there'll be a lot of pressure on the Indian Prime
minister to retaliate further.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
So let's say Pakistani exercises restraint and decides it's going
to do something very limited or maybe nothing at all.
Can it actually though, can restrain the extremists, doesn't have
any control there?

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Well, this is the biggest question about Pakistan, which is
who's in control? So is it the government, is it
the military? Is that the intelligence services and quite often
the intelligent services in the military have been responsible for
funding militants in Kashmir, And there is a very good
chance that they did fund the militants who carried out
the terrorist attap the other week. So it's very difficult

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to know exactly who's in control. I would suggest in
this scenario it's more than military than directly the government.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Interesting. Hey, thank you very much, Chris, I really appreciate this.
Chris Ogden, director of Global Studies at Auckland University. Jesus
all kicking off around the world, isn't it. So the
word is that Donald Trump is going to announce that
the US will call the Persian golf from henceforth the
Arabian Golf or the Golf of Arabia when he's in
Saudi Arabia next week. Now, this is a very touchy
He's probably doing it to wind up the Iranians because

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this is a very touchy subject for the Iranians. They
really like calling it the Persian golf because you know,
then you're reminded of the Persian Empire and blah blah blah.
But the Arab nations have wanted it changed for a
while and they they in fact call it the A
lot of the countries in the Middle East call it
the Arabian golf, so it's not a massive shift. What's
not a shift? It all for them, isn't it? Anyway?
Iran is so touchy about this that about thirteen years

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ago they'reabouts they threatened to sue Google because Google Maps
in many cases just don't label this body of water
as anything. But in the US they call it the
Persian golf brackets Arabian golf and so this is how
touchy Iran is. The US military, just in case you
think that this is a massive swing from Donald Trump
from one position to the other. Actually, the US military

(06:26):
already calls it the Arabian golfs exclusively in various things
that it puts out and has done for years. So
it's not a massive shift. But he's having a crack,
isn't he? Thirteen past four.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's the Heather Dupissy Allen Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Podcast on iHeartRadio powered my News Talk ZEBI.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Sixteen past four Darcy water Grave Sports Talk Hoosters with
us Heather, Heather, I want to talk to you about
Gregor Paul. Did you read his opinion piece in the HERA?

Speaker 7 (06:54):
I did?

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Okay, what did you think?

Speaker 7 (06:56):
I think he has a point to a degree, But
we've possibly advanced so much in society. I don't know
how many people care about F bombs.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
No, no one cares. We haven't ever cared about F bombs.
We love swearing in New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (07:14):
When you start looking at C bombs or N bombs,
you're in all sorts of trouble. Yeah, I think so.
I get what he's saying about bringing the level down,
and about a number of organizations that are forcing on
field interviews and forcing microphones in the mouths of player
and getting that reaction straight away part and parcel of

(07:36):
the fan entertainment package. I really don't think it turns
out other people, some antiquated characters who might freaking out.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'm sure that I know that I've got his arguments
straight right. So from what I am from reading his
column today in The Herald, what it seems he's arguing
is that we shouldn't go onto the pitch straight after
the match, stick a camera and a microphone in a
player's face and ask them their reaction because we might
get F bomb.

Speaker 7 (08:00):
You shouldn't expect not to get the F bomb. Probably
that's a better way of putting it. Like I can't
paraphrase for him, but if you do that, you go
to get what respect.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Well, this is it.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
It doesn't bother me, and the players go, whoa or
we're not talking UFCO. UFC is a completely different story.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
This is so frustrating to me, Dars, because this is
exactly the opposite of what I think, right, I think
that we have too much sanitization of what these players think.
It's already too boring, and I am so bored of
hearing them talk about how the boys left everything on
the field in the second.

Speaker 7 (08:39):
Half and they gave it one hundred and or credit
to the opposition.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, it's the same nonsense from these boring, wooden people
every single time. I love it when they give me
a bit of character immediately afterwards, and in fact, I
want to see more of it. In my increased way.

Speaker 7 (08:54):
Is some egregious swearing. It's like that I opened the
mic up and just start effing and blinding straight away,
because I think you'll find the interviewers go.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, who does that? And who has ever done that?

Speaker 7 (09:03):
Nobody except UFC. When Israel Jasnya has made a.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
What is Gregor just getting old? Do you know what
we all are?

Speaker 1 (09:14):
What we are?

Speaker 2 (09:15):
When Gregor was with us in an hour so I'm
just going to ask in this have you just turned
into a grumpy old man? Gregor?

Speaker 7 (09:20):
Well, I Gregor, and I don't want to speak out
of turn, but I think he celebrates being a grumpy
old man, Okay.

Speaker 8 (09:26):
As I do.

Speaker 7 (09:27):
We like being I think the word in scott remember
that the term, oh that's grouse from back in the day.
Oh mate, that's grouse. It was back in the seventies.
It probably don't mean. The verb to complain in Scottish
is to grouse. So he's grousing. He's the famous grouse.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Now I cannot believe that netballne New Zealand still isn't
letting Grace and work kept play for the silver ferns.
What the hell?

Speaker 7 (09:53):
Come on beyond me? We're talking about that tonight on
the program. Because it extends right across rugby, It extends
across extends across a number of sports. There are some
sports they don't care. You play wherever you want. But
I can understand why the likes of rugby want to
keep a little on that. Now cricket have given up,
they've gone the other way. Play review want we'll just
give you a separate contract. They understand that Netball are

(10:17):
not laboring under any global laws around when and where
their players can't. They say, make an exception for Grace
Wicki and an exception is okay. I don't think too
many people have a problem with that. If you maybe
allow two or three of the top players to go
and experience the Australian competition, which is considerably better than now. Yes,

(10:39):
especially for the shooters dealing with the defensive.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Ew it's a win win, isn't it that It's good?

Speaker 7 (10:43):
They will say, we haven't got Grace at home. We
want our young players seeing her and Nanzi premiership. We
want to expose the AMC Premiership the skills that she has.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
What they're worried about is Grace does it, then everybody
else thinks it's okay to do it. Everybody else goes
over there and then we've got a crappy domestic competition.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
But they're the rules.

Speaker 7 (11:02):
They tell the rules. This is what's happening. Because there
was that idea of that, and I think that Emir
and Echinasio and gres Wiki both said it's excuse me,
it's one hundred caps. But there's no law in the
Zealand Newports it has to be one hundred caps.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
No, there isn't.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
The only reason they say one hundred caps is because
Laura Langman and Maria Then both went over and played
there after that reached one hundred one hundred caps. That's
a long long way to go. They've got to be pragmatic,
pragmatic in this space, and they've got a place. Yeah,
and it's it's okay, You're allowed to bend things. It's
your game. I don't think it's going to destroy the

(11:40):
fabric of the game in New Zealand. What's going to
destroy the fabric dam in New Zealand. There's no broadcast
rights and they need to be focusing on that more than.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Any right, what's on your show tow me quickly?

Speaker 7 (11:50):
Well, we've got Anna Stanley joining us to talk exactly that.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Oh brilliant.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
There's somebody who understands the ebbs and flows of international net.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, good stuff. Darcy water Grave Sports Coast War back
at seven this evening. It's full twenty one.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's hither duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
That'd be either your mother of all budgets analogy doesn't
make sense. That was in nineteen ninety two. National remained
in power until nineteen ninety nine. I never said that. Well,
first of all, I never said that National is going
to lose the next election as a result of it.
I just said it's going to be a defining moment,
but it will characterize the government as heartless. That's basically
the narrative here. Also, if why on that National scraped

(12:34):
through by the skin of its teeth in nineteen ninety
six very close to just becoming a two term government.
So there's that for God's sake, heither, why can't we
celebrate good government policy? As you said it's the right
thing to do, because it's hard to celebrate good government
policy when the government itself wasn't celebrating its own good
government policy. Do you know what I mean? The word
behind the scenes y is that actor loving this right,

(12:57):
because this is like straight up and down good Act policy.
This is Act saving a lot of money on something
it doesn't believe in anyway the trub But National is
quote iffy on it. National of freaking out about it
because this is like because National wants to be broad Church, right,
they want everybody to love them, so they are the
ones freaking out Anyway, Hither I totally agree with you National.
The cowards have probably cooked their their goose. I resigned

(13:18):
from National earlier in the year. Hither I completely agree
with you. Read the gender pay issue. I thought Judith
Collins looked really uncomfortable on the news last night when
it was being unveiled. What about Nicola coming out with
like flanked by all these did they go hard on
the estrogen yesterday? They were like everybody with double X
chromosomes line up plays. We've all got to go out
together and remind them that we're all women. Anyway, we'll

(13:41):
talk to Jason Wools about what's going on at the moment.
Just for your information, is that they thought that they
they're debating the thing under urgency, they thought they'd have
it passed by now. They haven't passed it by now,
and the reason for that is basically there's filibustering going
on on the opposition side, so they're dragging it out
as much as possible. I think there was an expectation
that maybe the speakers who were there, you know, because
it's not always Jerry, but whoever's there, would shut it down.

(14:03):
But apparently appears to be going on. So anyway, we'll
have a chat to Jason, get just a heads up
as to where we're at when he's with us in
twenty minutes time now. Torri Faro, Okay, Tory Faro was
a subject of conversation yesterday last week, sorry, because there
was a feeling that maybe Tory had copped it a
little bit hard and she wasn't as useless as we
all thought. She was just copping it hard because she

(14:25):
was waiting their MARII for anyone who actually believes that,
I just want to draw your attention to some emails
that have been revealed today in the local Wellington papers.
It's emails that were released under the Official Information Various Act,
whatever the local government won. They show that council staff
were clearly very frustrated by her not turning up to work.
The then council Chief Infrastructure Offer Chevorn Proctor wrote an

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email to another senior council manager in November twenty twenty
three and she said, Barbara mccarro that was the then CEO,
BABS is massively under the pump at the moment and
having to do the mayor's job most of the time,
as well as her own. You're a senior official emailing
another senior official saying, mate, our boss is basically doing
the mayor's job. Why is she doing the men's job?

(15:10):
Or well, because that would be the week that Tory
admitted to having a drinking problem, then took a leave
of absence, got COVID again for the millionth time, and
was in the headlines and not And it came not
long after. There wasn't just an isolated thing. Not long
before she had already said she wasn't running for mayor again,
which she then reversed, and then after that she went
away and missed a full council meeting which she would

(15:32):
normally chair. So I think that's a pretty clear signal
that even within the council infrastructure she was known as
a mayor who was m i a And maybe that's
why she copped so much criticism, not because she was
why he named Matt Mary, just because she was useless.

Speaker 9 (15:47):
Headline's next as you.

Speaker 7 (16:01):
Over again.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Putting the challenging questions to the people. At the heart
of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
The news dogs they'd be, won't you.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Favorite dodging me sad name, Craig.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Can you explain why you think pay equity being scrapped
is a good idea. You may have said it and
I missed it. Thanks, Ginny. I'll get back to that, Ginny.
I'm very happy to go on another rant about that. Listen,
the unemployment number came out today and hey, pleasantly surprised
didn't go up, stayed at five point one percent. It
looks like what's happened and this has taken some of
the comment of the economists by surprises. Basically they were

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expecting it to go up. Looks like what has happened
here is a whole bunch of people have gone from
full time work to part time work. So rather than
necessarily losing their jobs altogether, they're just taking fewer hours
because the underutilizeration rate has gone up, which basically is
the rate where people that's the rate that measures how
much people want to work more than they already are,
do you know what I mean? So that shows a

(17:09):
flexible workforce. That's a good thing. Like it's better that
people are, you know, have fewer hours rather than no hours.
We're going to have a chat to Jared Kerr of
Key We Bank about that Dan Mitchinson is standing by
out of the US right now, is twenty three away
from five.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
It's the world wires on News Talks, Evy Drive.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
So, as we said at the start of the program,
India has launched air strikes on Pakistan and Pakistan Administered Kashmir.
The Indian government says the strikes were against terrorist sites,
but Pakistan says civilians were killed. And here is the
Pakistani Information Minister.

Speaker 10 (17:38):
Pakistan has responded back in retaliation to this Indian aggression.
We've shot down three Indian plane and we've shot down
an Indian drawn and multiple pod copters. Because we were
foreseeing this, we were ready for an attack.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Canadian Prime Minister Mark Karney has met with Donald Trump
and the White House. Both leaders said that keen to
mend their trading relationship and cooperate on security, and Trump
says he is a big fan of Canada.

Speaker 11 (18:04):
We're going to be friends with Canada, regardless of anything.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
We're going to be friends with Canada. Canada is a
very special place to meet and know. So many people
that live in Canada.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
And finally, a zoo in Tennessee has recaptured both of
its peacocks after they attempted a jail break. The peacocks
actually allowed to reign free, allowed free reign rather of
the zoo's grounds, but earlier this week they decided that
wasn't enough freedom, and then they went past the perimeter fence. Now,
one of the peacocks was caught by the zoo staff

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straight away, but the other was on the loose for
a full day before he was found in a nearby backyard.
The zoo says it's not going to make the fence
any bigger and is pretty rare for the peacocks to
try to escape.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance peace of mind
for New Zealand business Dan.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Mitchison, US correspondent with US Now, Hey Dan, Hey, Heather, So,
Karnie and Trump was friendly. It was lovely. Everybody's happy.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (19:00):
Well, I guess that's one way of putting it. I mean,
and I know this may come as a surprise, but
I mean the president in Canada don't have the best
of relationships right now. But as you heard the president
there on the world wires say, you know, it's lots
of people in Canada and what was really interesting. Up
until the time of this meeting, he kept saying to
the media he wasn't sure why they were having this meeting.

(19:22):
I mean, we knew that it was going to be
about trade and getting to know one another, but you know,
the Canada PM McCartney said, you know, our country is
not going to be sale forever. And Trump is still
telling reporters this should be the fifty first state, and
he says he wants his friendship, but at the same
time he's see, well, we'll see, maybe maybe he will
be the fifty first state.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
It's a jug.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yep.

Speaker 12 (19:47):
Most of us would say yes, does the president take
it seriously? One thinks he probably does to some extent.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Then maybe yes.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
If he's taking it seriously, how is he going to
make Canada the fifty first date.

Speaker 12 (20:01):
That is the million dollar question that I wish I
had the answer for, Heather, but nobody does.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
At the moment, he's repeating it it's a joke.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Well, let's hope it is. Let's hope it is.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Oh my gosh, Dan, it's obviously a joke, and you
know it, Dan.

Speaker 12 (20:16):
Why would he keep repeating a joke that doesn't have
anybody laughing.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, because he's laughing because he didn't care what an
idiot he thinks it's funny.

Speaker 12 (20:27):
I guess, so I guess anyway, they both they both
are saying that there's going to be changes to the
agreement between our country and that the one that we
also have with Mexico when that comes up for renegotiation.
Text here. So that was the main and you know
point out of this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
This Trump joke thing is a bugbear of mine. Actually,
I'm going to come back to this later in the program.
I'm gonna have to deal with us again when Dan
isn't listening. But hey, this is good, right that the
US and the hohofi's have agreed to stop bombing each other.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Well, yeah, that's uh.

Speaker 12 (20:54):
That was another thing that came out of this meeting today.
The President announced that, you know, they don't want to
fight anymore. He said that you know that we're going
to honor that, we being the US, and he said
that he also informed the military to stop its attacks
a little while ago. We're going to see how this
comes together right now, but the President says this, this
announcement isn't quite a deal, but they're working on making

(21:16):
it a deal. So take that for whatever it may
or may not mean at this point. But like you said,
I mean, it's at least it's a good you know,
first in.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
The right direction.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Hey, So, what's Caroline Leavett's problem with CNN apart from
all the problems that the White House has with CNN.

Speaker 12 (21:31):
Well, I mean, this is because they had a reporter
that traveled south of the border to get the perspective
of an infamous drug cartel that continues to get you know,
human trafficking and drugs into the country, and it was
designated as a terrorist group at the start of the
second term for the president. Yeah, and so the White
House Press Secretary was scrolling through that she had no
idea this was going on, and she said, I was

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going through my Instagram feed came across the interview and
she said, this is just blowing us away that they're
designated as a foreign terrorist organization by the US government,
and the nature of the questions and the fact that
CNN would be doing this as just atrocious. Well, I
mean Fox would have done the same thing, any network
would have done the same thing. Sixty minutes would have
done the same thing.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
But I think it's just what Dan, is her problem
with the fact that they interviewed these guys at all,
or is it with the way they interviewed them in
the tone and the treatment.

Speaker 12 (22:21):
I think it's a little bit of both.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Right now.

Speaker 12 (22:23):
I think she found the nature of the questions perhaps
more offensive than she did the actual interviewing of this organization.
Right now, and she's saying that this just you know,
throws the trust of the so called legacy media you know,
under the bus once again, which she claims is at
an all time low. Hey, Dan, just for just so
you know, I will be listening a little bit later

(22:43):
to hear what you have to.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Say, Dan about this joker. Are you going to okay?
Tune in at five twenty five, Dan, Paul has text
and said it's a bloody joke and I'm laughing. And
Aaron has text in and said that he's laughing at
you because you don't think it's a joke. So there's
at least two people plus Donald Trump.

Speaker 12 (23:00):
You know what, I'm married with two kids. I'm used
to be laughed at, So you know, take your best shot.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Hey, thank you, Dan, Okay, we'll talk about it later.
I appreciate it made as always Dan Mitchinson US correspondencies,
that guy puts up with a lot from me. By
the way, Mark Lundy is out of the jail today.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
So what was it?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I think, Oh, yeah, no, there it is, there it is.
I knew I printed this off. So this is the
third time that Mark has been before the parole board,
and it appears and other two times they didn't let
him out, but they've led him out this time, and
it appears maybe the difference is that this time he
provided a safety plan where basically he and his lawyer
sat down and thought about some triggers you know, that

(23:39):
he might encounter outside of prison that may set him off,
and I don't know, fill in the blank as to
what you think he would do once he was set off.
So they had these theoretical situations and then presumably I
guess they've they've figured out how he would you deal
with these triggers and stuff. But it's some interesting interesting
information about him. He has a healthy bank account, apparently
he has good family support. He has some pretty strict

(24:00):
conditions on coming out of jail, like he's not allowed
to initiate any media contact directly or indirectly via social
media or blogs or anything not allowed social media not allowed, poor,
not allowed dating sites. So you're not going to get
him on end zed dating or whatever, a Tinder whatever,
You're not going to find him there has to tell
his probation officer of any relationship that starts. But here's

(24:20):
the interesting thing, right he said he has no plan
to enter into any relationships, but said that if he did,
he would be open and honest with a partner about
his convictions. Mate, there's literally nobody in the country who
doesn't know. You don't have to be open and honest.
Everybody already knows. Sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
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Speaker 2 (24:47):
Jason Woolls zb's political editors with us. Now, Hey, Jason,
so we still don't have a final vote on this
pay equity situation.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
We do not.

Speaker 13 (24:56):
Indeed, it's still in what's called the Committee of the
Whole House phase. I don't usually hear about this because
it's not really that worthy of reporting. A sandwich right
between the third reading and the second reading, and it's
essentially a way for members of the House to query
the minister who's in charge of the Bill on any
questions that they have and any slight amendments that they
might want as well. Now this has been going on

(25:17):
for a number of hours. Last actually was I thought
this was going to be wrapped up last night, but
the houses in urgency where it started at nine am
this morning, they had a quick lunch break and it's
been going ever since. They stopped for question time. But
we're still in the Committee of the whole House phase,
so it's really taking quite some time. But I'll tell
you one person who hasn't been here today, and that's

(25:39):
the Prime Minister. He was in Rotrua speaking at a
tourism event at around nine point fifteen am and despite
question to time being at two pm, Luxon wasn't able
to make it into the house. Now, it's quite unusual
on a Wednesday for the Prime Minister not to be
here and this was noted by Chris Hipkins.

Speaker 14 (25:56):
Thank you, mister Speaker to the Prime Minister. Maybe the
Prime Minister show up during this one. Does he stand
by all of his government's.

Speaker 13 (26:04):
It's a fair play to Chris Hipkins getting a bit
of a lick on the Prime Minister there, but that
means that Winston Peters was filling in for the Prime Minister,
which always makes for quite a fun afternoon because remember
when Winston is speaking in the House for the Prime minister,
technically that is coming from the office of the Prime Minister.
So although Winston's speaking, technically it's the comments can be

(26:25):
attributed to the Prime Minister and no guesses for what
was being talked about today.

Speaker 14 (26:29):
Why did Nikola Willis call the pay equity process a
sign of success last year if it now needs dismantling
and is the government's real motive to balance the books
at the expense of working Kiwi woman?

Speaker 13 (26:42):
So of course it was pay equity Now. Winston was
quite keen to play the man, not the ball. Excuse
the phrase in this legislation.

Speaker 14 (26:48):
Now, dare I say, when you start talking about pay equity,
the first thing you must understand where a woman is
concerned is what a woman is?

Speaker 15 (26:54):
Now?

Speaker 13 (26:55):
Of course that is a reference to the question that
Chris Hipkins got when he was Prime Minister, where he
took a while to actually define what he thought a
woman was. But he was more prepared today to clap
back at Winston.

Speaker 14 (27:05):
Is his definition of a woman someone who's paid less
than a man.

Speaker 13 (27:09):
Yeah, So it's a bit of a political football in
the House today, so we keep an eye on this one.
It's still going and maybe maybe maybe we'll get a
third reading tonight.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Because the troublers. We've got David Parker's valedictory at twenty
to six, don't we, so nunder an hour's time. So
what happens if they haven't finished it yet? Do they pause,
do the valedictory and then come back to it.

Speaker 13 (27:26):
So they pause, do the valedictory, then they break for dinner,
then they come back for it. So I'm all going smoothly,
will this will still be going on?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
I mean, this isn't the opposition it's best interest to
drag this on as much as possible, right, So it
basically creates more headlines.

Speaker 13 (27:41):
Yes, but I mean the flip side of it as
well is the Opposition will argue and they have been
arguing that they haven't got a Select Committee process to
be able to explore these arguments and get some information
from the minister. So this is essentially sort of technically
this the Select Committee process, and that's why the chair
who is the Deputy of the House is letting this
go on so long.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Oh, you know, fair enough, fair enough, absolutely, Now what
has the Maori Party apologized for?

Speaker 13 (28:06):
No, So we talked about it last night. But it
was that post about where they asked their followers how
long they think their MPs will be suspended for. Alongside
the post was an excerpt from the Privileges Committee which
discussed if they should be suspended for seven, forteen or
twenty one days. So this was from the Privileges Committee.
Judith Collins wasn't happy at all about this, so we

(28:28):
asked Debbie Nadi, a packer, about this this afternoon. Have
listened to what she had to say.

Speaker 16 (28:32):
Yeah, I just want to while we've got your attention.
We were aware that an instagram put up last night
created a little bit of tension for the chair of
the Privileged Committee. We acknowledged that no MP including the
co leaders, were responsible for that. It is a mistake
that's happened internally which we're reviewing. So we had sent

(28:52):
an apology to the cheer to say, no, you're right,
you've got us on that and that was a mistake
and we'll review it.

Speaker 13 (28:59):
So their review it, it was an emotional junior staffers aga.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Whoa why are they apologizing for this, Like, after all
of their behavior, this is the least degregious thing that
they're done. That sound funny, So are they apologizing for it?
Why is this the thing that they think is so bad?

Speaker 13 (29:16):
I honestly thought they would own this and say that,
oh well, you know, at the end of the day,
this is what's going to happen to us. But you know,
we'll find out in a couple of hours. We've got
our intrepid reporter Azaria Howell, who's staying late for the
Privileges Committee, which starts at eight thirty and should wrap
up at about nine thirty.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
So messing with my head man.

Speaker 13 (29:32):
Yes, keep an ear out, to keep an ear out
to z B for the outcome of that one will
be all across it.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Hey, by the way, do you reckon David park is
going to get the snark in over the Welsh text
that he didn't get.

Speaker 13 (29:43):
Yes, absolutely, And I always think that this happens. I
think that these these MPs that you know, I mean,
in David Parker's defense, he did have a bit of
a crack when he was an MP. But I get
so sick of these MP's and their valedictory speeches talking
about what they wish they could have done when you
were the one that was in power. I mean Grant
Robertson was a particularly bad case when he was talking
about some tax changes and I was like, my man,
you were the finance minister. But I think park is

(30:05):
going to be a bit better.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
That I want him to spill the tea. Hey, thanks
very much appreciated. Jason Wall's news Talk ZB political editor
eight away from.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Five, putting the term questions to the newspeakers the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (30:16):
An overhaul of the pay equity system. Rook van Velden,
Minister of Workplace Relations, is with us.

Speaker 18 (30:21):
The current government doesn't believe that we can genuinely hand
on Heart's say.

Speaker 19 (30:25):
The outcome of these claims.

Speaker 18 (30:26):
Is to rectify genuine sex based undervaluation.

Speaker 17 (30:30):
As much as I support what you're trying to do,
because what we're doing currently is wrong, you can't because
you will never compare apples with apples. Everybody loves people
who work in rest simes. They're kind, they're loving, they're
there for the right reasons. They don't happen to get
paid a lot of money. Comparing them to mechanics was pointless.

Speaker 18 (30:45):
It is always going to be difficult, you're right, but
the government is committed to having a system for pay equity.

Speaker 17 (30:51):
Back Tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Veda News Talk ZB right.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
We're going to speak to on the pay equity thing.
We're going to speak to the midwas after five o'clock
just to see what's going on then that there are
but midwives are in a bunch of different phases because
there are different groups of midwives. So you've got the
publicly you know, the publicly employed ones, you got the
privately employed ones, and so on and so on. So
one group of midwives had submitted a claim but hadn't
yet been accepted. Another one had submitted a claim had

(31:19):
been accepted. We're in negotiations and a different group all
together were at the High Court about pay equity. So anyway,
we'll have a chat to them to see how what's
going on there. Transpower, Now, if you were a regular
listening to the show for some time, you will know
that Transpower and I have a interesting relationship with each other.

(31:40):
Transpower hasn't been on this show for considerable length of
time because we played don't play it ants don't even
think about it. Take your finger away from it. We
played clown music because you may remember that what happened
was that they took the bolts off the nuts and
then the pylon fell over and it was just it
was just an absolute disaster, and it was hilarious because

(32:00):
that's the only thing you can do is laugh at
a situation like that, otherwise you cry. So we laughed
at it and we played clown music. They have a
guy who works in their media team who has no
sense of humor and thought it was just horrific, Like
he couldn't let it go. It really upset him. It
deeply upset him. It deeply upset him, and so he
wouldn't let Alison the CEO come on the show. So anyway,

(32:20):
we called him today because what's happened as Transpower is
going to replace the cable between it was cables between
the North and South Island, and it's going to cost
us a lot of money. It turns out one point
four billion dollars and you and I are going to
pay for it. So we said, can we have the
new CEO, a new guy called James Kime of James
On and the media man said no, because you're unprofessional
because we played the clown music. So then he changed
his mind, but we have struck a deal with him.

(32:42):
We struck a deal we will not play the clown
music if James comes on the show. So the clown
music is being retired. James is going to be on
the show after half past five, and we're going to
be completely professional about this. We're not going to mention
anything about this case. I just want you to because
I'm try transparent with you. We've struck a deal. We
have with our hands are editorially tied by Transpower, so

(33:06):
they insisted editorial control over this and we gave it
to them. And he's going to be on the show
later on. But next up, let's talk about the unemployment number.
News Talks. They'd be.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story story.
It's Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
News Talks. They'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Good afternoon. We have some good news on the employment front.
Despite expectations that the unemployment rate would go up, but
it's actually come and unchanged for the first three months
of the year five point per Jared kurt Is Kiwibank's
chief economist Aye Jared, Hey, how are you very well?
Thank you? So can we put this down to people
not losing their jobs, but just taking fewer hours instead.

Speaker 20 (33:55):
Yes, exactly, that's the main message. It's great that people
aren't losing their job. That total hours worked is down
three percent over the year, so that's quite a contraction.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I see that we have about twenty one percent of
the people who are in the workforce actually in part
time work. Does that seem like a high number to.

Speaker 20 (34:11):
You, Yeah, it is. We've seen part time work increasing
as full time work is decreasing, So businesses are clearly
cutting hours to reduce costs and fight their way through
what's quite an awkward period. And that's weighing on households,
and some households are struggling.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Can we just assume that the hours will go up
again as the economy picks up.

Speaker 20 (34:39):
Yeah, And we really do need to see the economy
bounce back, and we think that happens over the second
half of the year and into next year. So things
will get better, but it does take time, and it
will take time for the labor market to strengthen.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Do you think that this is the height of what
we were going to reach. I guess it's not going
to go up later. We haven't delayed it.

Speaker 20 (34:58):
This is it we're hoping that's the case. I mean,
our forecast was for an unemployment rate to reach about
five point three five point four. Sitting at five point
one is obviously better than that, but it is a
big glist from the three point two where we're at
a year or so ago. If we peak this year,
then I think we'll see the unemployment rate falling over

(35:21):
twenty twenty six, which will be good news for many.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
So how do you think this is going to affect
the Reserve Bank's decision on the OCI later in the month.

Speaker 20 (35:30):
Look, we are sitting here having been through a deep recession,
with a rising unemployment rate, falling hours, all these indicators,
and the Reserve Bank still has interest rates at restrictive levels.
They're still restraining the economy. It's not needed. They should
be cutting aggressively. Two and a half. We're at three

(35:53):
and a half at the moment we were at five
and a half. We've had a decent move, but we've
got to get below three percent, which is the believed
neutral rate.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Jared, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much.
Jared kerchief economist at Kiwibankgever. We are still waiting for
the pay equity law to be passed under urgency. Thought
it would have happened by now, but the opposition is
dragging it out in parliament. One of the affected groups
is midwives and New Zealand College of Midwives Chief Executive
Allison Edio is with us. Now, hey, Allison, hi there,
how are you? I'm very well? Thank you?

Speaker 21 (36:24):
Now?

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Am I right in thinking that midwives are at various
stages with us? Some will be affected but some will not.

Speaker 22 (36:29):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 18 (36:31):
We have had pay group claim for employed midwives that
the Health New Zealand employed ones. It was concluded some
time ago, so that's been through the process and as
far as we understand, that's a done deal, but you know,
we don't know for sure until as you said, the
legislation hasn't been passed. There are some other midwives affected
of much the non Health New Zealand employed ones, much

(36:52):
much smaller in number. But maris the Midwives Union as
the best point of contact to really understand that what
it's meant for that force. We have advocacy in a
role for the self employed midwives. So they are still
publicly funded fully public defunded service, but there's self employed
to tax purposes, and we've had to take a completely
different route. We've had to go through the High Court

(37:13):
and we're waiting for their action to be decided by
the judge. But we're pretty confident that this change in
legislation won't impact that midwives.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Who are what's the comparator for the midwives? Who are
the midwives comparing themselves.

Speaker 18 (37:26):
To Ah, Well, you see that's the but I couldn't
speak on behalf of the union. They would need to
talk to you about for the employeed midwives that we've
had to do some comparative work for our case, and
we have used health sector workers as our comparators all
the time. We haven't gone outside. We've used employed news practitioners. Employed.

(37:47):
This is for self employed caseloading midwives. So they're the
ones that we're gone call twenty four seven looking after
women in the community, getting up in the middle of
the night, you know, all of that, providing constentive care.
So it's a really specialized job. There's a lot of
responsibility and they have to managed all their own needs
and business needs, you know, professional needs because it's a
self employed model. So we've looked at news practitioners, we've

(38:08):
looked at employed caseloading midwives who do the same job
that might be employed by an organization, and we've also
used employed GPS. So we did it a kind of
a comparator across because no one's perfect. That's and that's
the issue that this government's struggling with it. They're really
difficult to find it.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
I mean, news practices and GPS don't feel like outrageous.
I mean, it's not like the librarians trying to compare
themselves to engineers like that.

Speaker 18 (38:30):
That's no, No, we and I think you know we
but yeah, I don't know. I couldn't comment on the
employed midwives process.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Some midwives are comparing themselves to plumbers. Have you heard that?

Speaker 18 (38:44):
No, I haven't heard that one. No, No, I couldn't.
I couldn't. I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you.
That's not been my experience.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Because I woul I would have argued that a plumber
should be paid less than a midwife. What about you?

Speaker 18 (38:54):
Well, I mean I think this is the thing that yeah,
it's just that value of women's works. Uf you know,
that's what this is all about.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, now listen at the end of the day. Okay,
So if the claim that you are involved in is successful,
how much does it raise the pay of midwives.

Speaker 18 (39:09):
By Well, look, we have to wait for the court
to decide that. What you know, we don't think we've
reached fair and reasonable pay. We think we've still got
some way to go from the sigas we presented. But
it's you know, I couldn't put a figure onte for
you at this point. Sorry, okay, with confidence.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, Allison, thanks very much, really appreciate Alison Eddie, New
Zealand College of Midwives Chief Executive. I mean, midwives and
plumbers both get called out at weird hours, both go
to your house, both deal with lots of water, but
one of them is dealing with life and death. So
that's definitely a pay rise, right there, isn't it ever?
Do see, Alan, conclave is about to get underway of fascinating.

(39:47):
I love the conclave. I love this because this is
what there are I get there's a lot of people
who criticize this whole process in the media's fascination and
people's fascination with it, right, because it's just the Catholics. Well,
it's not just the Catholics, let's be honest about even
though even though the Catholics and you know, there's obviously
I mean, we don't need to go through the whole
Protestant versus Catholic thing again. However, as a Protestant, I'm

(40:11):
fascinated by what is going on because I feel like
there's still kind of a little bit of a a
there's still a figurehead thing for all of all Christians there,
do you know what I mean? Anyway, not everyone's going
to agree with that. However, I'm going to tell you
what's going on. There are one hundred and thirty three
cardinals and there's a housing problem because there's only one
hundred and twenty five rooms at the hotel. So last
time we chucked them in the place with the donkey,

(40:33):
and that didn't end well. Well, it did end well,
didn't it. But we don't need to repeat that anyway.
So they're going to be sent to another building, which
is called the Santa Martavicia, which is a more austere
building normally used by the Vatican officials, and some may
find themselves sleeping in repurposed staff quarters or in the sacrists.
How do I pronounce that ants sacristy? I just have

(40:55):
to go to my local Catholic sacristy, which is where
the sacred vestaments are stored. So is what we're doing
once again? Like for how long have Christians not been
able to source.

Speaker 8 (41:04):
The sacred investments? So they're sleeping in the wardrobe, then
that's exactly right, the walk in wardrobe.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's better than last time where they sit with the dog.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
I wonder if they got the choice of that or
like a bunk bed, because if there's only one hundred,
surely two guys can show hit.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
A bunk because did you watch Conclave and see those rooms?
They're awesome? Like they were like it's not a great hotel. Hello,
it was marble lined. I wouldn't mind it at all.
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Sarah hid And he has become the latest sporting superstar

(42:20):
to drop an F bomb live on TV. Right and
don't worry parents, because we're going to CeNSE of the
actual word. But here's what she said shortly after winning
the sevens World Championship in La earlier this week.

Speaker 23 (42:31):
After the Olympic Colemeto. We wanted to show that we're
a great team and to us that was bring it
winning the league and winning the series. And we did it,
and obviously I was excited about it.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Now The heralds Rugby writer Gregor Paul has some thoughts
on this is written a column for The Herald this morning.
As with me.

Speaker 24 (42:47):
Now, hey, Gregor, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Now tell me if I'm mischaracterizing what your argument is.
But basically, are you arguing that we need to stop
these breathless halftime and and on pitch interview because otherwise
we're going to have too many of these if bombs.

Speaker 21 (43:03):
Yeah, you've characterized that perfectly. I don't know why I
bothered writing a thousand words. You just did it in
about eight.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Okay, Well, because what you're being apprude about the youth bomb?

Speaker 21 (43:13):
Oh look, I'm not being apprude about it. I think
I'm not a big fan of sports stars or anyone
really swearing in public as part of an entertainment package.
I think it's unnecessary. I think we're trying to encourage
children to play. There's probably children watching. I think it's gratuitous.

(43:36):
You know, I know that these guys are tired, they're
emotional when they get microphones put under them. I know
they've invested a huge amount to get to where they've
got to. And I understand it's natural for them at
times to forget who they're talking to and they just
let all that stuff out. But they're also professional athletes,
and my concern is that it gets a little bit
glorified by the media. You know, it also reduces the

(43:59):
amazing performance of the black Phones over two days to
win that title kind of gets reduced to headline. You know,
Sarah Hereny swears and we get that new that we
audio clip that you played there, and that's it. You know,
we're actually stupid.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I mean, gregl that's just stupid headline writing, because do
you I mean, I don't know about you. I certainly
do not look at that and go, oh, she swore,
let me click on that. Arn't care if she swore.
And I'm not going to watch it because of that.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Are you?

Speaker 21 (44:24):
Well no, But clearly there's an industry and clickbait plenty
to be a little bit careful here, because the industry,
you know, pays.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Now, don't worry about it. You're allowed to criticize your
employer on the show.

Speaker 21 (44:35):
But yeah, but there's an industry around that. And the
point I made in the column be a little bit careful.
But the point I'm made in the column here is
that there's this whole sort of peripheral media storyline that
gets told now around the edges of big sport and
a player swearing or you know, someone streaking, or you know,
a wardrobe malfunction during the game. These these things have

(44:59):
all become sort of big business for media because you
can drive viral the side stories around them. But the
swearing thing is controllable. Yeah, and these guys are under contract,
and I would you know, I don't want to be
all parental or prude as you as the lad that
you use, but I just think someone needs to remind them.
When you've got a microphone in front of you, our

(45:19):
expectations are you are not going to swear interesting?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Okay, Gregor listen, thank you for running us through that.
I appreciate it. We'll discuss a little bit more on
the huddle. Let's Gregor Paul, the Herald's Rugby writer here.
The midwifery training is so much shorter than GPS and
nurse practitioners. They can't seriously compare themselves to either of
those healthcare professionals. Five twenty two.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Checking the point of the story.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
It's hither duplicyl and drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and use dogs.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
We get in quite the reaction to Gregor, and let
me tell you, a lot of it is in agreement
with them. Hither I totally agree with him. Sorry, you're
out of line. Talent is entertainment, not ugly man. Thank you.
Sarah five twenty five. Listen, I am so frustrated today
at how the media report what Donald Trump says. Okay,
because I was reading the Guardian this morning. This was

(46:10):
the headline Trump says, we just want to be friends
as Canadian MP torpedoes fifty first state idea. Now that
headline is basically pretending that Donald Trump was really going
to annex Canada, like that was really a threat, like
he was going to get as military out and he
was going to annex Canada, or he was gonna buy it.
But thank god for Mark Carney turning up at the

(46:33):
White House and torpedoing it. I mean, come on. It
wasn't just the Guardian, by the way, I don't want
to be unfair to them. It was also similar and
less egregious headlines on the BBC SkyTV local news here
in New Zealand. The list goes on Donald Trump. Just
for the record, for everybody who took that seriously, Donald
Trump was not going to take over Canada. It was
a joke. We all know that because seriously, think it through.

(46:54):
How was he gonna do it? Just like him posing
a picture of himself as the Pope was a joke,
but people got angry about it, just like him talking
about running for a third term, which people got angry
about as well. He is doing this deliberately to troll you.
You do realize that, right, And he's admitted this. He
said the other day that the reason that he talked
about running for a third term was to troll the media.

(47:14):
Now the media are going to have to start using
a little bit of discernment here and start running Start
treating Trump like what he is basically, which is a buffoon,
not a serious person. Stop running everything that he says
like it's a real threat because it's not. Because what's
happening is that by running it like it is serious
and a real threat, the media is making themselves look
bad because they are deliberately misrepresenting what they know to

(47:36):
be jokes. Right, and it means that he wins because
he's trolling for a reason. He is trolling to bait
the media and prove that they are out to get him,
and that's what he has done today. Heather Doup the Outlet,
as I told you we haven't got through to the
third reading of this, well, I think we're on the
third reading now of this pay equity thing. This is
because the opposite opposition MP's are filibustering. Here is the

(47:57):
kind of thing they're doing speaking. Here is the deputy speak.
Barbara Kuruger.

Speaker 15 (48:01):
Francisco Hernandez's table. Amendment to clause one to change the
title to unequal pay Entrenchment Bill is out of order.
Change the title to equal pay, War on Workers' Amendment
Bill is out of order. Change the title to equal pay.
Thoughts and prayers, but your salary won't get higher. Amendment
bill is out of order as merely an attempt to
criticize the bill. Doctor Lawrence Eunan's table amendment to clause

(48:25):
one to change the title to equal pay punch down
on low paid New Zealander's Amendment bill is out of
order as being merely an attempt to criticize the bill,
Doctor Lawrence UNUS Table amendment to Clause one to change
the title to equal pay or on Woman Amendment Bill
is out of order.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Oh thank god, there'ill be grown up in there. Thank
god for that. Thank god. They're not wasting their time
and there are they No, No, they're being grown ups,
just like like our mate Donald Trump. Heather, it's not
a joke, it's a threat. What do you think he
was going to do? Do you think he was going

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to get the soldiers who was going to pull the
soldiers around from around the world and get them to
line up on the border and just march through Canada
and take it over. Do you think that's what I
think it's through? Jeez, Transpouer.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Next, Ah, this.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Lean talking after making the news.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
The newsmakers talk to Hither first, it's Hither due to
see Ellen drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Let's get connected and news talks. They'd be.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Can talk about the fairies. After six we got the
huddle standing by just really quickly. Did you know this guy?
This is a big conference going on in Auckland to
discuss the super city because it's fifteen years since the
supercity and this shocked me. Simmey and Brown said, I
think it was Simmy and Brown might have been actually
Wayne Brown. I don't know. I just saw Brown. Come
to think of it as probably Wayne Brown. Anyway, never mind,
there is get a load of this one hundred and

(50:00):
forty nine elected members in Auckland. I double checked it
with Simeon Brown's office. Is absolutely correct. There are one
hundred and forty nine members who are elected in the
city of Auckland, which has got like have we even
got two million people here? This is counselors and local
boards and stuff like it. Isn't that the problem with
the super city. It's that it's way too complicated. I
wouldn't even know I Number one, I didn't know that

(50:22):
there was that many, and number two I couldn't name
any of them. So there's your problem, right that needs
to be scaled right back anyway, and just the wage cost. Anyway.
We're going to talk to a chap called Graham Quirk
who used to be the Lord Mayor of Brisbane. He's
going to be with us in an hour's time, just
get his take on whether that's too many. Twenty three
away from six now Transpower. Transpower wants to replace the

(50:43):
Coock Straight power cables that link the North and South Island.
But here's the thing that comes with the huge price
tag one point four billion dollars and if the Commerce
Commission approves this, the cost will be passed on to
us the customers. James Keilty is the new chief executive
of Transpower.

Speaker 25 (50:55):
Hey James, hello, how are you very well?

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Thank you now, James, I that this thing was going
to cost about four hundred and fifty million, So why
has it gone up so much in price?

Speaker 26 (51:05):
Yeah, talking about two different numbers there, head. So the
four hundred and fifty million was neven to be very
transparent prey Christmas. Around the estimated cost for the cable
portion of the project. The project includes at the one
point four billion we're talking about today, which is a
lot of money.

Speaker 24 (51:22):
I know.

Speaker 26 (51:24):
It includes the cables, but also all of the associated
works which are a lot around the rest of the projects.
There's about five or six projects included in that in
that scope, Heather. It's all laid out in our consultation
document including the costs, so people can can have.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
A look at that.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
So what do we get for one point four billion.

Speaker 26 (51:44):
Well, you get a continuation the sort of two elements.
You get a continuation of the ability to move electricity
between the two islands for another forty years. The current cables,
there's three cables actually, Heather, coming to the end of
their life. They and the associated works are all coming
to the end of their life and we need to
replace those. That is the vast majority.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Of the cost.

Speaker 26 (52:05):
We're also suggesting that we add one more cable, a
fourth cable. And remember these are the cables that offer
access to the very best resources around the country to
supply electricity at the most affordable, reliable and secure way
to customers across New Zealand. And that's what this investment
in New Zealand's future is all about. It's another forty
year investment and we're suggesting that, planning for the future,

(52:29):
we should add a fourth cable to add additional resilience
and incapacity between the islands.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Right, So, if you get the approval from the com Com,
how much is it going to cost me?

Speaker 26 (52:41):
You won't see anything for a number of years because
it will be delivered.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
We have to book.

Speaker 26 (52:46):
These things are in such demand internationally, Heather, that we'll book.
We've booked out a Parson's cruise and everything, but you
won't see it built until twenty thirty and twenty thirty one.
After that, over the forty year life of the set,
you'll see a small cost in your bill at home
associated with this project. Do you for cover it over

(53:07):
forty years?

Speaker 11 (53:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:08):
You spread it out over forty years, do you?

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Yeah? Yes.

Speaker 26 (53:11):
The Commuist Comission regulation of US ensures that all our
costs are covered over the life of the asset. And
this is a forty year asset. Hey, maybe it's forty five. Well,
you know, we'll be working very hard to make sure
it delivers securely for the long term.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Can you say small? What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Very hard?

Speaker 19 (53:29):
To put a number on it?

Speaker 26 (53:30):
To be a few dollars a few dollars a year.
By the time it's spread across every connection in the
country and spread over forty years, it'll be a reasonably
small amount. Remember, your transmission costs are about eight percent
of your electricity bill. That's our costs, and we expect
that out that proportion, that eight percent proportion of your
electricity bill for transmission will remain pretty stable through this project.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
James Listen, thanks very much for your time. Appreciated. The
James Keilty, the chief executive of Transpower.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find your
what of a kind?

Speaker 2 (54:05):
On the huddle of this this evening we have Jack
tame Q and a host and host of Saturday Mornings
here on ZB and Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union.
Hire you too, Jack. I think that the pay equity
thing is going to cost the government in political capital.
Do you agree?

Speaker 25 (54:21):
Maybe around the margins, but I think you would have
to dispel any degree of cynicism whatsoever not to link
the announcement yesterday and the subsequent actions with the budget
and what a two weeks time fifteen days time? And
I think for although it might cost them some support
for those people who are most likely to be caught

(54:41):
up in these deals or affected by these deals.

Speaker 24 (54:44):
If the government is.

Speaker 25 (54:47):
Able to argue successfully throughout the budget that ultimately this
is going to be spending that is redirected into other areas,
then I don't think it will necessarily interesting.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Okay, So do you think so this is not a
bad move political from the government? If so, why is
that on? Let me think just want to finish this thought.
If so, why is the National Party iffye on it
and scared.

Speaker 24 (55:08):
Well, it's such bad lawmaking.

Speaker 25 (55:10):
Surely we can all agree like to come out of
to come out of nowhere without or the usual kind
of democratic framework that you would have for a law
change of this substance, like a select committee process.

Speaker 24 (55:24):
And without a regulatory impact statement.

Speaker 25 (55:25):
I mean, we don't know what this law change is
necessarily going to achieve because we haven't actually had an
opportunity to consider any of that. And I think, you know,
there is a certain irony given you know, some of
the some of the members of the act Party who
have I think quite rightly talked about the importance of
regulatory standards in lawmaking making, to come out with zero

(55:48):
notice whatsoever and drop this as that had yesterday, I
don't think set's a great standard for lawmaking.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Why are you making that funny noise, Jordan Oh, I
mean it's returning the law to back to what it was.

Speaker 27 (56:01):
We've been having this chat inside the Taxpayers Union that
the Tea you have taken the principal position that we
actually don't you know, we think even a truncated select
committee would.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Have been better than nothing.

Speaker 27 (56:14):
But we had a former Minister of Finance joining us
today on the staff call, and she was saying, look
that this is simply this could have easily been a
budget measure.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
What the change in the law.

Speaker 27 (56:27):
Yes, it's bad politics. Yes there's probably a political cost
with the NATS terrified about it.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Was actually inevitable.

Speaker 27 (56:34):
But the thing is is this law and it's not
about protecting people from nasty employers that are paying men
more than women.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
It is quite literally.

Speaker 27 (56:45):
Justifying enormous pay increases by the public sector unions. We
are getting nurses compared to engineers or what was the
that nurses compared to lawyers. It's bonkers, and we've got
no money heither.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
No, I totally agree. Look, I think that this is
the right thing to do, Jordan, but I think that
they're doing this the wrong way right. First of all, ACT,
as I said at the very start of the program,
ACT has been criticizing the previous labor government for doing
things under urgency because basically it gets around process. Yet
they're doing exactly the same thing, and then this comes
without any announcement whatsoever. We pretend it's got nothing to

(57:20):
do with the budget. All of that shiftiness and cowardice
and stuff that's what makes it look bad rather than
just owning the decision.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
No, that can all be true.

Speaker 27 (57:29):
Okay, let me put my constitutional lawyer hat on back
in the day that you know, used to be a lawyer. Yeah,
you're absolutely right. You know, a bad process, you know, terrible.
Let me put the real politic on. Yes, that the
government could go through even a truncated select committee process
and play into the public sector union's hands with a

(57:49):
scare mongering campaign that you know that the government wants
to keep wages low. The reality is this decision was inevitable.
It was classic labor party pass the law, don't fund
the consequence. It's been used and we can see it
literally in the figures of enormous pay increases in the
public sector, with a lot more to come. We are
borrowing forty five million dollars a day. Nikola Willis is

(58:13):
borrowing more than a billion dollars a month. It was
inevitable this happened. The question is what is the best
way to do it. This is at least better than
what I would have expected, which it would have been
a budget day or budget night measure. At least they
are getting out ahead and stark in that conversation.

Speaker 24 (58:32):
Can I just add one little caveat?

Speaker 25 (58:34):
I mean, one of the things that makes the events
of the last thirty six hours or so unique is
that this is retrospective. This goes back and changes stuff
that's already in place. And so at the very least,
I mean, there's retrospective, isn't it. I mean we can't dipute.

Speaker 27 (58:51):
Well, I think that there's a more legitimate criticism there,
and that's this our ageous change in the banking regulation
to protect the banks from us.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Don't get me started.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Yeah, it's it's not named all though, right, it can,
it doesn't does effect.

Speaker 27 (59:08):
You know that the negotiations that are midway through, or
the claims that are midway through, but that you know,
the unions are licking their lips over like this is
a fiscal decision because, as I say, it was classic labor,
you know, past the law. Good intention sounds wonderful, you know,
unicorn and fairies, but there's simply.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
No bit money. Yes, think select Yeah that's true. I
totally agree with that.

Speaker 27 (59:33):
And into the select committee process.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah, oh, were you going to defend it or was
that the end of that sentence?

Speaker 24 (59:43):
We lost them?

Speaker 2 (59:45):
I think you explained to me what just happened. Jeez,
he's a bit he's a bit young to be a boomer,
isn't it. Anyway, We'll take a break and see if
we can get that boomer back on the front. By
the way, David Parker is doing his valedatory statement at
the moment. We'll keep an eye on that to see
if there's anything juicy in that. And I want him
to spill the T fourteen away from.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve
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Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Right back with the huddle, Jack Tame Jordan Williams, Jordan,
when you're back with us?

Speaker 27 (01:00:12):
Yeah, public interest journalism fun cuting off.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Hey, listen, Jordan, I guess to tell me what do
you make again? I'm gonna read your text right here.
The stop down playing Trump's risk. Yes, he's unhinged. He's
already proven that by what you call a joke today
may be an executive order tomorrow. This is because I
was arguing, when you stop reporting this stuff like annexing
Canada as if it's serious, because it's not. It's a joke.
But evidently some people find it serious. What do you

(01:00:38):
actually believe he's gonna do it? What do you think?

Speaker 27 (01:00:40):
Yeah, but do you think that actually suggesting that your
profession ramp up trump rhetoric to eleven just to get
more eyeballs. Oh, you couldn't possibly be suggesting that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Could No, not at all. I do not think that
they report everything as if it's actually a real life threat,
just for the clicks.

Speaker 27 (01:00:59):
The problem is for me, Trump's a third rail because
if I say something supportive of Trump, my email fools
with tax by union supporters saying, you know, the world
is at risk. If I say something against him, my
inbox also feels. But to be honest, I've straddled that fence.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Like there's some that I will admit.

Speaker 27 (01:01:16):
I decided midway through the American election campaign that Kamala
was so bad and Trump is such a buffern that
I had to be rather than sad of either winning,
I was going to be happy whoever won. And there
is some stuff on the on the policy side, at
least first time round, that actually Trump was pretty good
at He was a lot more moderate in terms of
moderate Republican than Kamala would have been in terms of

(01:01:38):
right out there deem the thing is though, and then
but then you get to the tariffs and there's more
of the unhinged stuff coming out. It's a it's a
real worry. I thought that always the third term stuff
was always just rhetoric. But of course that plays up
if you are, you know, purist, of course that's going
to terrify you. It's a real question of is it

(01:01:59):
all a game for him or or does he mean it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
I mean, it's part okay. So it's part of the
problem Jack, that some things are obviously a joke, but
some things maybe a joke but maybe serious, and we
just can't tell the difference, and so we just decide
in the media that everything has to be treated seriously.

Speaker 25 (01:02:15):
Yeah, I think it is just I think you pretty
much hit the nail on the head there. It can
just be hard to distinguish what is a joke and
what isn't a joke. And the truth is that often
once facts are born out, over time the goalposts seem
to shift. So for example, remember like Donald Trump was
saying that he would like sort out peace.

Speaker 24 (01:02:34):
In Ukraine within one day. I think he said it
would take him twenty four hours, and now he says
that that was a joke. Well, it's funny, Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Do you think he knows what? Do you think he
just flies kite's?

Speaker 24 (01:02:44):
I think he flies kite'es. I think that's exactly what
he does.

Speaker 25 (01:02:46):
I think he flies kites, throws everything up, and then
season wait, somebody comes down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
You can't be serious about the jack because then what
you're suggesting that he's flying a kite that he that
he says so he says this about Canada and the
hope that maybe Canada goes it's a great idea. Yeah,
we'll be part of the US.

Speaker 24 (01:03:03):
No.

Speaker 25 (01:03:04):
I think I think he's happy to say that it's
a joke now. But I think if the response had
been slightly different in Canada, then he would pursue a
different path.

Speaker 24 (01:03:11):
That's how I think he. I think he was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
A different path that he annexes Canada.

Speaker 25 (01:03:17):
No, no, no, that that he encourages some sort of
enormous constitutional shift. I don't think he thinks that he's
I don't think he's he's not giving a key for consideration.

Speaker 24 (01:03:27):
I mean, the tariffs were a joke. One minute, he
was going to put tariffs on the whole world. Hahaha,
what a funny idea next minute.

Speaker 25 (01:03:33):
I just I think I think a lot of the
time he comes out with stuff, I think often he
just thinks of it in the moment.

Speaker 24 (01:03:39):
When he's standing in front of cameras, there's.

Speaker 25 (01:03:42):
All sorts of outrage around the world, and then he
waits to see, with a little bit of time how
it's actually digested and decides what is a joke and
what is a joke. And that's why it kind of
feels like such a volatile moment. So but to answer
your question whether or not we should treat it all seriously,
that's that's perhaps a different question. I mean, I think
it seems extremely unlikely Canada's going to become the fifty first.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Say yeah, but maybe we won't treat it all seriously. Guys,
Thank you very much, Jack, Dame Jordan Williams. Seven Away
from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Five away from six David Parker leaving Labor giving his
valedictory statement at the moment.

Speaker 28 (01:04:22):
I was elected for Labor on twenty seven July two
thousand and two, when I won the Otago seat campaign
of extraordinaire Pete Hodgson trained me. When I chaired as
Electric Committee park Parker in Parliament, I wore a purple
checked shirt and every photo and every day people said
I'd stolen a tablecloth from a greasy spoon, a fashion crime.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
We are still waiting for the gossip. He better not
let us down, because let's be honest about it. All
we want to know is what happened when he quit
his job. Do you remember when he did that thing
when he was the revenue Minnisot and he's like, I
don't want to be the revenue in ministere anymore. And
everybody thought it was because I think we all know
it was because he didn't get as wealth tax across
the line. That's all we want to know. And I
want him to spill the beans on that, and I

(01:05:06):
put my money on it that he will because David Parker,
like every MP, wants to be known for, you know,
being principled and doing all these great things and trying
to change the country stuff. And even when they don't
change the country, like to talk about how they tried to.
So I feel like he's going to have to get
to that stage. It's at that point it's some say
suit anyway, we will keep you across that because I
want the dirt on that obviously. Yeah. Interesting, Okay, So

(01:05:28):
there is an organizers of a long running ann Zac
Day parade have come out and talked about the cost
that was imposed on them this year and so why
they didn't do it. So this is the one in
Mount Eden in Auckland. The organizer there says she's been
running the thing for twenty years, never had a cost
attached to it. But this year when she went to
Auckland Council to make sure that the road was blocked
because the officers didn't show up last year, the council

(01:05:51):
said it would cost her between seven and thirteen thousand
dollars to close the thing down, and so as a result,
they decided not to parade on the road. They had
to scale it back and they had to parade on
a footpath. Now isn't that everything that's wrong with traffic
management in this country? Isn't that it right there? I mean,
I can understand why the council's charging them because apparently
the traffic management plans have to be completed by a

(01:06:11):
site traffic management super things are and then that has
to be approved by Aukland Transfer and that comes with
a cost. Ah you know, ah, struves you crazy and
somebody has to pay that cost. And frankly, obviously, rather
than it being us the rate payers, I would much
rather that whoever wants to parade pays it. But why
do you need that cost? Why don't they just send
somebody out there with a couple of road tones and

(01:06:32):
one of those road closed signs, you know what I mean?
Just do it on the cheap. Anyway, Hopefully this is
the kind of thing that we can deal with when
when David Cmore is doing his red tape stuff. News
is next that we're going to talk about the ferries.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
All right evening coming up over the next hour. The
former Lord Mayor of Brisbane is going to talk us
through how we can improve the super city of Auckland
after fifteen years Milford asset management on results from Briscoes
and main Freight and so on, and Gavin Gray is
with us out of the UK. David Parker still doing
his valedictory statement finally got onto the.

Speaker 28 (01:07:17):
Tax and New Zealand now is a tax haven for billionaires.
The ssets commonly sit and intergenerational trusts. Pakeerty was right.
The wealthy earn much more than they spend, and they
hoover up much more each year. It's always been difficult
to convince the other side on tax times. I've found
it surprisingly hard on my own side too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Probably hard to convince the public as well. I would
have thought eight past six.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
Here the duplicy Ellen, a little update of.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
The ferries for you. Six shipyards have been shortlisted and
we'll be invited to tender for the chance to build replacements.
Chris mackenzie is the chair of Ferry Holdings Limited. Now
this is the company that's doing the negotiations for us,
and he's with us.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
Hey, Chris, that night evening.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Can you name the six?

Speaker 19 (01:08:03):
No is one of them. There are six shipyards and
the reason that I wouldn't name them is because the
other shipyards will try and do bidding, which you know
is not helpful to the process.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
What do you what do you mean by that? What
harm is it?

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
That is?

Speaker 19 (01:08:28):
If someone for you used Hoyundi. If the others know
Hyundos there, they may very well have the attitude, well
why are we doing it? And so to be fair
to all of the shipyards that are shortlisted, we are
not naming any of them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Because because is that if if Hyunda is one of
the six, then everybody will will know that we're most
likely to go with Hyundai, so that we don't pray
pay the break fee.

Speaker 19 (01:08:56):
That's no. What I said is if Hyundai was one
of the six and we made that public, and we're
not making anything public, then the other shipyards would start
to question whether they were in with a chance. And
so we will not announce who the six are. We
will be announcing the successful shipyard further down the track.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Yeah, that's kind of what I was saying. But wouldn't
it be helpful to have the name Hyundai out there,
because then the other five will know that Hyndi probably
has the edge because we don't want to pay the
break fee, and so then they will really make good
effort and come in low with their price.

Speaker 19 (01:09:33):
All right, I can tell you this off my hand
on the Bible, Hiondi will not be negotiating the break
free as part of this exercise HYONDI if they are
in the process a clean sheet Like the other shipyards,
the break fee is being negotiated between q Rail and

(01:09:56):
the shipyard and has nothing to do with ferry holdings.
We will negotiate with the six shipyards, all of them
on the basis that they are all within with a chance,
and they will put together the package that they want
us to consider.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
But Chris, you do realize that you have just confirmed
that Hayundi is part of it. I mean by confirming
that the break fee is being dealt with separately, you
just confirmed that they're wanted the six though.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
No, it's not.

Speaker 19 (01:10:24):
What I'm saying is if Hyundai is in the MACS,
the break fee will not enter into our discussions because
that is an issue between qu Rail and Hyundai, and
so that's completely outside the picture. The six shipyards are

(01:10:46):
all entering into it with a clean sheet of paper.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Hey, Chris, you're not doing the negotiations yourself, are you.

Speaker 19 (01:10:53):
No, I'm not doing negotiation myself.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Okay.

Speaker 19 (01:10:57):
Our board has gone through pages and pages of information
from the shipyards and we have now put together the
six and our ships program director is now going to
visit those six shipyards.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 24 (01:11:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
So if we're still at the stage where we're just saying, hey,
if you want to be if you want to build
us some ships, send us in your quotes and stuff
like that, we're at that stage. We're halfway through twenty
twenty five. Are we really going to get boats by
twenty twenty nine?

Speaker 19 (01:11:34):
The six shipyards that are shortlisted have all undertaken to
have the ships here by twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yeah, but my builders out the back told me they
would have my deck built within three weeks and it's
been seven. So do we actually believe it?

Speaker 19 (01:11:50):
With shipyards they are reasonably accurate with their building timetables.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
All right? Yes, right, listen and Chris, thank you. I
feel like that that was productive and I really enjoyed
that very much. That's Chris mackenzie, Faerry Holding's Limited chair.
I mean, Hyunda is part of it now, right, we
know that. I mean that's pretty obvious. Hey, did you
know that India is the world's biggest whiskey market by volume?
I I did not know that or expect it. Now

(01:12:19):
obviously they have got the numbers. They've got an aedge
on numbers compared to the rest of us, right, because
they are the world's most populous country. So obviously, like
if only ten percent of them drank whiskey while they're
beating everybody else. But I did not expect that they
would be huge whiskey drinkers to the extent that they are.
They drink more than anyone else. And the interesting thing
about it, we know this, by the way, obviously because

(01:12:41):
of the India UK FTA which has been sided. But
the interesting thing is they are just hovering back that
whiskey despite the tariffs they they they pay duties right
of up to one hundred and fifty percent for their
whisky and thus still sucking it back the way they are.
And that's going to get half to seventy five percent,
which I think is a brilliant deal. That's just going

(01:13:02):
to make them drink more whiskey. Also, did you know
that India is the third biggest producer of King prawn's
and that the king Multiple facts coming at you right now.
And did you know that king prawns are also known
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Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
The Hyundo purchased steal for the previous ships, so they
will win. That's from Malcolm Hither. It's going to be Whyunda,
I've been there and I've seen the operation there. There's
only one place to get ships done. How do you
think the others are going to feel with the other
five when when we do actually confirm the very people
that everybody thinks is going to be confirmed in the end, Hyunda,
do you feel it? I think they're going to feel used.
So I suspect they might be seventeen past six now

(01:14:54):
Jeremy Hutton Milford Asset Management is with me right now. Hey, Jeremy.

Speaker 29 (01:14:59):
Good evening, Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Now, what did you make of the COMMUS Commission clearing
Contact Energy's acquisition of Manowa Energy.

Speaker 29 (01:15:05):
Yeah, it was somewhat surprising news this morning with the
Commics Commission approving their acquisition ahead of schedule. So for reference,
Contact Energy they're one of the big four electricity gent
tailors and they applied last year to acquire Manoa, who
are the fifth largest player in the generation market. So
there is a key difference between generation and the retail markets. Now,

(01:15:26):
a large generator El Gentaylor acquiring a smaller player on
the surface could make people a little bit nervous from
a competition perspective. But the COMMIS Commission went away, they
did their analysis and review and they said today that
they were satisfied that the acquisition is unlikely to lessen
competition in the retail market and then also unlikely to

(01:15:47):
push up electricity prices for consumers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
So that would imply that increased regulation for the electricity
sectors low.

Speaker 29 (01:15:55):
Yeah, I'd say unlikely. I mean, the pressure is always
going to be on for more regulation. And the Commis
Commission did point out in its release that they still
have some concerns about lack of competition in the market
and there are still a number of reviews underway which
the COMMIS Commission is a part of. But under the
law and under competition law, if the Commission did their

(01:16:16):
analysis and they believed that the deal wouldn't reduce competition,
then they really have no option but to approve the transaction. Now,
what I will say is that politicians, they're always going
to have a view on this, and we are heading
into an election next year and the sector does become
very political, So I do expect a lot more commentary
on this competition in the run up to the election

(01:16:38):
next year.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Okay, let's talk about Maine fright now. Main Freights had
a very start, a strong start to the main mouth.
What's going on.

Speaker 29 (01:16:46):
Yeah, so the main freight's year price that had been
hit really hard on fares of lower earnings expectations, and
that's primarily driven from reduced global growth and effectively the
Trump tariff turmoil. Now, Main Freight they released the trading
update on Friday and it was a pretty emphatic rebuttal
of some of these market expectations of a downgrade. Currently,

(01:17:07):
they're only seeing impacts in their Transpacific freight lane, so
that's the China to US freight lane that we're very
familiar with. In the US division as well. Now there's
quite a small part of Main Freight's earning, so it
doesn't move the dial too much. But most importantly their
Crown duel divisions, which is Australia and New Zealand, they're
not seeing any impact at the moment and that was

(01:17:30):
quite surprising to the market. It took it quite positively
and the share price was up thirteen percent. So if
that contagion doesn't come down to the side of the
world so much and keeps limited to the US, then
the main freight share price should continue to be very strong.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
And then what about Briscoes. They had a trading update today.
I mean, they had been doing really well, but then
they've taken a has and Q one have they.

Speaker 29 (01:17:51):
Yeah, one of widely perceived is one of New Zealand's
leading retailers, and they reported their start of the year
sales numbers and just continued to I like to me
how tough the retail market still is in New Zealand.
And then just you know, some of these green shoots
that we've been expecting, you know, continuing to get pushed out,
mainly in their homewhere division. You know, they saw their

(01:18:12):
sales down almost five percent versus last year. But most importantly,
they just have some confidence in returning or stronger profits
in the second half of this year and their forward guidance.
And I think a lot of other retailers in New
Zealand will be holding out hope for that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Absolutely, Jeremy, thanks is always this really good to talk
to you. That it's Jeremy Hutton Milford Asset Management here.
That you do know that ninety five percent of the
whiskey that's consumed in India is domestically produced. I worked
in whiskey in Scotland and they sell absolutely very little
to India. Well, that would explain things, wouldn't it. Because
if you're going to because the rate of coffing is
just a little bit, it's a bit wild considering the tariffs.

(01:18:52):
But if you're actually not getting the good stuff in
from Scotland and you're just drinking your locally made stuff
which might be good, which might be good, then that
would explain that news. You're not paying the terrist. By
the way, huge whiskey drinker. Myself have taken actually weirdly
to behaving like my grandmother, and I realized it's weird
eight As you get older, you become like your mother,
and then you start becoming like your grandmother, and then

(01:19:13):
you see the patterns my grandma. Because I didn't realize
this until my little brother pointed this out to me.
We must have been on holiday or something and I
took a whiskey to bed, and he was like, oh,
you're just like Grandma. And I'm like, oh, that's right,
she used to do that. And it's not like drinking,
like getting boozed in bed type jobboh, it's like just
I feel like it's a very specifically woman thing to do.

(01:19:35):
It's like when you're in bed, all your jobs end right,
nobody can reach you there, nobody. You can't see any
other work that needs to be done, so you go
as like a safe haven and you got to take
your little whiskey. Anyway, loving whiskey, having a wonderful time
sipping a little whiskey in bed. And there is a
whiskey that was suggested to me by my midwife, which
makes it okay. And right now I cannot I can't

(01:19:59):
remember that. Oh Scapegrace. Did you know that scape Grace
does a whiskey. Their whiskeys are excellent. I just want
to say, if you are a whiskey drinker and you're
thinking that New Zealand doesn't do particularly good whiskey, well,
well have a crack at that. Obviously, sip it and
drink it responsibly, and I'll tell you what, Well impressive
very well impressive. Six twenty three. By the way, ACC

(01:20:22):
News hot off the press from the Herald. ACC has
backtracked on those Maori and Pacifica targets. Do you remember
that we were talking about it on the show. They
had put out the tender for cleaning up the manufacturing
sector's accident rate, but they specifically wanted, you know, like
this many Maori accidents to be reduced in this many
Pacifica accidents and stuff. And after act Party had a

(01:20:43):
crack at it, it's all gone. So there you go.
There's a win for the ACT Party on that one.
Michelle Obama, Can I just talk about Michelle Obama just
for one second really quickly. Michelle Obama, the former First Lady,
has revealed that she's in therapy, and I love that
she's talked about it. This is her talking about it
in the podcast. I'm sixty years old.

Speaker 22 (01:21:03):
I've finished a really hard thing in my life with
my family intact, I'm an empty nester. My girls are
in you know, they've been launched. And now for the
first time, as I've said before, every choice that I'm
making is completely mine. I now don't have the excuse of, well,
my kids need this, or my husband needs that, or

(01:21:24):
the country needs that. So how do I think about
this next phase? And let me get some help, let
me unwind some old habits, let me sort through some
old guilt that I've been carrying around.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
So what I love that she's admitted this therapy is
a great thing. I think therapy is like, you know,
like a warrant of fitness for your car, but you
just go get a little warrant fitness for your brain
from time to time where you just get frustrated at
things right. And so what she's learning to do at
the moment, she was saying is basically say no. Say
no to things she doesn't want to do, because she's
basically said yes her whole life. She's looked after the children,

(01:22:01):
she looked after the husband, played the role, blah blah blah.
And to the extent that she said that she's talked
about this because remember she skipped Trumpey's inauguration and everybody
was like, oh, they're getting divorced. She's like, no, we're
not getting divorced. I just didn't want to go. And
she said she's so used to doing what everybody else
wants that she actually had to tell her team not
to get an outfit ready just in case she changed
her mind, because she was like, if they get an

(01:22:22):
outfit ready, just in case I changed my mind, I
will change my mind and then do the right thing.
So she made it as impossible for herself to change
your mind as possible. I just I just think we
need to we need to learn to say no a
little bit more. I'm trying to teach the husband that heither.
If you like Scapegrace, then do yourself a favor and
try the Pocono. Hands down the best dram coming out
of New Zealand at the moment. What do you take

(01:22:42):
me for, Matt. Of course I've tried the Pocono. I'm
a two cow girl. It was I hit it immediately,
just for you know, patriotic reasons. Headline's next, we can dance.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
And I am disappointed, but not altogether surprise to tell
you that, in fact, David Parker revealed nothing at all
about the business between himself and Grant Robertson, which is

(01:23:33):
the only thing that we cared about. So that was
that was ultimately a waste of everybody's time and everybody
who has watched the speech has described it as boring.
So there you go, don't worry about it. The BBC,
by the way, this is post that Harry interview. The
BBC has had to it's kind of blown back on them.
They've admitted they had a lapse and standards over the

(01:23:55):
BBC interview. The key thing, the key problem there this
is the one with Harry. The key problem is that
Harry accused the establishment of a establishment stitch up in
not giving him his security and removing the security from him. Now,
what the BBC should have done, that's the responsibility of
the Home Office. And also he's obviously impugned his own
family in that. So what the BBC should have done

(01:24:17):
was gone to the Home Office and then got a
statement and said what their version of that is, and
also gone to Buckingham Palace and said what their version
of that is. And they didn't do either of those things,
and so they're getting blowback for that. Twenty three away
from seven ever, do for ce Ellen Gavin Gray is
going to be with us out of the UK in
about ten minutes time, onto something else. It's been fifteen
years since Auckland became a super city, and prominent Aucklanders

(01:24:39):
have been debating how to shape the city over the
next fifteen years. Today at a conference various views, support
for a bed tax and so on. Graham Quirk is
the former Lord Mayor of Brisbane who was there. He
spoke to the conference today about his experience in bringing
the twenty thirty two Olympics to Brisbane.

Speaker 11 (01:24:54):
Hi Graham, Hello, Hello, how are you very well?

Speaker 24 (01:24:57):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
So what did you tell the conference? What was your message?

Speaker 11 (01:25:00):
Well, I mean fifteen years as a significant milestone for Auckland.
Brisbane this year will celebrate one hundred years since it
was a multimated from twenty councils into a single local authority,
and so today's message was really about looking to identify
those things that Auckland needs. Public surveys are great, we

(01:25:24):
need to find out what people want, but we also
need to look I think beyond that, and that is
what does the city actually need to progress its future?
And so some of those answers, of course will be
within the public surveys, but there will be other things.
And I was outlining some of the things that I
undertook as Lord Mayor which weren't obvious to the general public,

(01:25:46):
but which became very successful parts of our city and
which has helped to shape us and position us to
be ready for a twenty thirty two Olympic and Paralympic Games.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Like what did you do well?

Speaker 11 (01:25:59):
One of the things that we do discovered was we
hadn't had a new four or five star hotel built
in the city ten years just after I became mayor,
and so in order to rectify that, I needed to
put out an incentive. Now, I decided to remove all
infrastructure and develop a contribution charges for anyone that built

(01:26:21):
a new four or five star hotel in the city. Now,
normally if you go out and asked ratepayers could you
do that, they'd say, by hell you can. But I
did it and the result was astonishing. We had twenty
five new hotels built in the next five year period.
You know, everything from international investors from the UK, Singapore,

(01:26:45):
Taiwan and many from around Australia came and invested and
we as a result, had this brand new set of
hotels in the city, and not only in the central
part of the city, but also in some of the
suburban areas. Four and a half star hotels were built
there and so I've proven to be successful. So what

(01:27:06):
it was about was multiplying the accommodation, giving a modern
tourism opportunity and offering, and it proved to be very successful.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Do you have a view on what Auckland needs, what
are we missing to make ourselves a great city?

Speaker 11 (01:27:23):
Well, I didn't come to this morning's conference with a
perspective of knowing about Auckland. We've had a sister city
relationship with Auckland now Brisbane and Aukland for a long time,
but it's been six years since I left office, and
I didn't pretend in any way to be on top
of Auckland's issues. Today there was some discussion, certainly around

(01:27:44):
traffic congestion, and I did sort of talk about some
of the things that we had done in Brisbane to
address those issues. Things for most councils around the world
probably would be beyond reach. But we're a similar size
to the council now the Amalgamated Council in Auckland, and
we took some brave steps of building you know, five

(01:28:06):
kilometer tunnels. We've built several of those. We've we've undertaken
several cross river bridges for both vehicular movement and public transport,
pedestrian and cycling opportunities, and we've been able to fund those,
not just get approval and do them, but to actually
fund them. So we've come to the table with a

(01:28:29):
fairly strong agenda and we outline outline this morning some
of the ways in which that can be done.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Now, Graham, there is an interesting thing that's going on
at the moment, which it appears is that the punters
of Auckland, having gone for the super city, are now
not altogether happy with the super city. And I think
part of it is probably you know, they don't feel
represented or whatever. But the thing that struck me reading
about this today is we have one hundred and forty
nine elected members for a city that's about two million people.

(01:28:56):
That sounds like way too many.

Speaker 30 (01:28:57):
What do you think, Yeah, We've I've got you know,
one point five million people in the Brisbane City Council
and we have twenty six representatives. You know, look back
back one hundred years ago when they amalgamated twenty and
to one here. Yeah, I was pretty brave whoever did that.
But look it's not even questioned here in Brisbane telling

(01:29:21):
me if.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
You only have twenty six elected members, do you not
have local boards and wards and all that kind of
carry on.

Speaker 11 (01:29:27):
No, really, the local representatives they have a similar size electorate.
So we have state governments here in Australia of course,
and the ward councilor as local councilors have the same
size elector to say a state member of Parliament. So
it is big. They have, you know, about twenty five
to thirty thousand elected representatives in each of their electoral divisions,

(01:29:51):
their wards we call them. And but people accepted here
there is you know, still the ability to get around
to the sco rule of pncs and the sporting clubs
and do all those things you need to do. You
do you get the same access that you might have
had where you have a council of representing say three
or four thousand people, as perhaps the pre amalgamation will

(01:30:14):
know you don't. But that's a price you pay for
the economy of scale and the bigger things you can
do with an amalgamated council.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Graham, how fascinating it. Thanks very much, really appreciate it.
Graham Quirk, former Lord Mayor of Brisbane. The survey out
today showed that only eighteen percent of Aucklanders felt that
they had influence over council decisions. Eighteen percent, like, what's that?
Not even one in five? That probably, I think is
the very reason that we have the low voter turn
out at local body elections, don't you think because it

(01:30:45):
doesn't really matter. People think it doesn't really matter. It
doesn't matter who you vote for. You don't get a
say over it. Hither have you tried the peanut butter whiskey.
There are a couple of brands in the market. It
just takes it to the next level. No, Jenny, thank you.
Seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Kanye by the way, I mean to talk about Kanye
and I haven't got around to or do that very shortly.
It's fourteen away from seven with me right now? Is
Gavin Gray out of the UK. Hey, Gevin, hi there
head listen this business about the Indian workers through on
the FTA. How do you think this is going to
go down?

Speaker 31 (01:31:27):
Yeah, it's interesting. So the government really herald in this
free trade agreement yesterday saying how much it'll add to
the economy and it has taken three years to get here.
So there would have been other MPs who were in
the government now on the soup position side, who were
thinking we should have got this through because of the
good publicity. But as people have been pouring over some
of the fine detail, some of them are saying, now,

(01:31:49):
actually there's lines in it which will mean that British
workers are seriously undercut. So one aspect of this free
trade agreement is that there will be an exemption on
paying national insurance contributions from one to three years. Nationally
insurance contributions are something that often the employer will pay
for every employee they have. The government recently put it

(01:32:13):
up for everyone and that has led to several large
national chains saying well, I'm afraid we're probably either going
to have to put our prices up now or get
rid of people make them redundant, because these are costing
in some instances roughly twenty thousand New Zealand dollars per
employee per year. So it's big beer and the idea

(01:32:35):
that Indian workers maybe had to come in and not
pay that means of course there'll be much cheaper to
hire effectively for the employer. And so yeah, Liberal Democrats,
the Conservative Party and Reform are saying this is a
massive mistake. We've opened the doors here and although Labour
has said no, there's no change in the immigration law,

(01:32:57):
I think it will lead to many people thinking that's
going to be a cheaper person to employ because I
don't have to pay those an actual insurance contributions.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
And Kevin, can I just keep it up to at
me on something?

Speaker 19 (01:33:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
So yesterday we were being told that Labor was not
was potentially going to reverse the situation with the winter
energy payments. What is it now?

Speaker 31 (01:33:15):
Yeah, No, they're saying they're not going to reverse that. Indeed,
the Guardian is reporting one of the big papers here
that they're raising the earnings threshold to qualify for the payment.
That might be something they're looking at, but the actual
scrapping of it is not going to happen. So these
winter fuel payments there are a lump sum of roughly
four hundred and forty New Zealand dollars a year for

(01:33:37):
pensioners under the age of eighty, it's six hundred and
sixty New Zealand dollars for the over eighties. It's paid
in November and December, and it is effectively paid to
try and help them with their heating bills. And Labor
really cracked down on it and effectively scrapped it for
almost most pension as anyway, in a bid to save
three and a bit billion pounds year. But that has

(01:34:01):
affected roughly nine million pensioners. And for a party that
says it's the party of the people and was going
to look after those who are the most vulnerable in society,
this seemed to fly directly in the face of that,
which was why the Health Secretary over the weekend said that, yeah,
we did badly in the local council elections last week,

(01:34:22):
predominantly because people did not like that measure. However, the
leader of the Labor Party, the Prime Minister, is saying
we're not changing that. It's money we can't afford. We
have to make these upcuts for the good, the overall
common good. Even though many pensioners. Yes, won't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Yeah, it's getting a bit missy, isn't it. No new Listen,
how long have we got before the cardinals hit into
the conclive.

Speaker 31 (01:34:45):
Well, at the moment the cardinals are getting ready to
effectively go into mass. That mass is like the precursor
to the start of the whole first day, and that
begins in an hour and ten minutes when sent Peter's Silica.
It'll be televised and then in the afternoon the mobile
phone signal within the territory of the Vatican will be deactivated,

(01:35:08):
and indeed the cardinals will be asked to leave their
mobile phones to one side. No radios, no televisions, no Internet,
and the one hundred and thirty three electors of the
new Pope will then process later this afternoon, in roughly
eight hours time to the Sistine Chapel. There they'll sing

(01:35:29):
a litany and then the business starts, and that is
effectively where the doors are locked, the conclave begins and
we wait to see who is going to be voted
in as the next Pope, and everyone of course looking
up at the chimneys from outside the building in order
to see when the white smoke is issued indicating there
has been a successful election. Incidentally, in the last two

(01:35:51):
elections it hasn't taken more than two days, but in
the past it has taken several days.

Speaker 24 (01:35:56):
So we'll see where this goes.

Speaker 31 (01:35:58):
A very very interesting election because so many of the
cardinals were appointed by the previous pope, meaning not many
of them this time around are European. In fact, less
than half and that is the first time in history.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Interesting. Hey, Gevin, thanks very much, appreciate it. Gavin Gray,
UK Correspondent. So I watched Conclave. That's been controversial in
this particular amongst my group of friends and colleagues because
I would look, I'm not going to give you any spoilers,
but if you haven't watched Conclave, you should watch Conclave.
As half of my friends and colleagues think the ending

(01:36:31):
is just ridiculous, like lines like four fifths of the
movie were absolutely great and I loved it, but they
didn't have to go that ridiculous at the end of that.
But I didn't think the ending was ridiculous at all.
And I feel like if you think the ending was ridiculous,
it's because you don't understand the poetry of the ending
and the meaning of the ending, and the point that
the book, now a film, was trying to make. Anyway,

(01:36:55):
I strongly recommend you watch it. You've got eight hours
to watch it before the actual conclave starts. Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Away from seven. Now Kanye West. Okay, so Kanye West
has stormed out this afternoon of an interview with Piers Morgan.
The interview was going for two minutes. Two minutes and
two minutes is all it takes to get on the
goat of Piers of Kanye West, and out he goes.
And it basically so it starts off with I just

(01:37:32):
think Kanye was in the mood to be irritated. Started
off with Piers Morgan calling him Kanye West, and then
Kanye is like, no, I don't call me Kanye West.
You have to call me Yee because I don't want
to be called West because it's a slave name. And
so then Piers Morgan calls him Yee. But then Pierce
offends him by talking about how many followers he's got
on social media.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
This is what you get for now, we can.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
We can circle back when you can count.

Speaker 6 (01:37:57):
I watch what you put are on at you got
thirty two million followers, so you're one of the most
followed people.

Speaker 14 (01:38:03):
See wait now, look look at look right now.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
You're not going to take You're not going to take
inches off my bro.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Like, how many followers do you have.

Speaker 6 (01:38:13):
Or how many?

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Is it? I think you could do the study. You
got a whole staff over there.

Speaker 6 (01:38:18):
I'm telling you're thirty three million now, so congratulations, you're
slightly bigger following than I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
No, congratulations, your information is correct. Oh my gosh, I mean,
who cares when you're a grown up how many followers
you've got? And if you've got thirty three million follows,
what does it matter? If Piers Morgan thinks you've got
thirty two million, you've still got more than the average
bloke anyway, then Piers Morgan, because he's a grown up

(01:38:45):
as well, isn't He went on social media and said
Kanye West is a sniveling little coward who didn't want
me to ask him why he's become a vile hitler
loving Nazi slathering anti simmit, happy to continue the enemy
when and if you grow a pair at Kanye West honestly,
Jay's and.

Speaker 8 (01:39:02):
Shaker Tail Feather from the film The Blues Brothers to
play us out tonight, Heather. The band is getting back together.
The Blues Brothers are getting a sequel to the film
sort of. There's going to be a comic book that
the families of dan Aykroyd and the late John Belushi
are putting together. It's going to be a sequel and
a love letter to the film. It's going to be
called The Return of the Blues Brothers The Escape of

(01:39:22):
Joliet Jake. And if it does well, they want to
do a whole cinema at Universe with this thing. They
want to do more films, more TV shows, more everything.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
So there you go, yay, and thanks very much, appreciate it. Hey,
enjoy your evening and we will be back with you tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
He's still zip b.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
For more from Hither duplessy Alan Drive.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
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