Full Show Podcast: 07 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duper c Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage like
no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we're going
to talk to Acacia O'Connor, the protester who was outside
Winston's house and who gave out his address on social media.
She's going to be with us after five New Zealand
post on the news that they're dropping yet another delivery
day or two. And former All Black Millsmullyaina on why
he's joined the Auckland Business Chamber to help out the
pacifica economy together do to c Ellen, can I suggest

(00:37):
to you that the Greens need to step up here
and tell their activist mates to call off the protests
outside Winston's home. I'm pleased to see that Chloe Swarbrick
has at least condemned the attack where Winston's window was
broken last night, but I'm very disappointed to see that
that's about as far as she's gone. She still thinks
the protests themselves are okay, given that they are and
I am quoting her here entirely legal, well, I mean yeah,

(00:59):
sure they are legal, but I don't think that any
decent Kiwi is going to think that they are fair
or right or what should be happening when they are
at night, they are sometimes as late as ten with
loud hailer's when there are kids in neighboring houses trying
to sleep, never mind the impact on him and the
people in his house. Now, Chloe is trying to play
the game that she had nothing to do with the protests.

(01:20):
And sure, maybe she didn't organize them, but yesterday she
stood one next to one of the protesters who were
going to speak too. Later, she should stood next to
that woman at the press conference. And this is the
woman who revealed Winston Peter's address on social media. And
Chloe already knew that there had been protests at Winston's
house in the days prior, and she said, angry New

(01:40):
Zealanders need to direct their frustrations to elected representatives. Now
that sounded to me a lot like giving protesters permission
to keep going or at the lease. If that's not
what she meant, at the very least, that ran the
risk of them hearing it like that and thinking that
turning up at his house was okay, especially given that
this is the party of Rikardo men Endez March, who
wrote a letter supporting a lawyer who threw flake fake

(02:02):
blood on MP's electorate officers. Now the Greens are the
first to complain when they are being targeted, aren't they
about bussy getting the online threats about how their female
politicians get harrised and abused online? But when its protest
is intimidating another party's lead at his house at night,
apparently it's fine. Now, the Greens ought to reflect here
on how they would feel if it wasn't Winston's house,

(02:23):
if it was one of their houses, and it wouldn't
be okay, And I would say it wouldn't be okay.
And it's also not okay that it's happening outside Winston's
house ever.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Dup c Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Is the text number. Standard text fees apply. Now. Good news.
Police are backing off a planned staffing restructure following public backlash.
Under the plan, you'll remember this, one rural police officer
roles would have been cut and twenty four hour policing
hub set up on the outer cities of christ Church.
Now they say the more than one thousand people submittive
feedback on the changes. Tony Hill is the Canterbury District

(02:58):
Commander superintendent and us Hi, Tony, Hi, how are you?
I'm very well say, I know you're dying to say it,
so just get it over and done with.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
But you owe me a coffee.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
I do owe you a coffee because I bet you
you weren't going to change your mind and you changed it.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Well, you were quite convinced we were going to steam
rollers through it. Did the whole time that we take
on this feedback and listen to it.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, I'm sorry, Tony, I was far too certain of myself.
Now why did you reverse it?

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Well, it had me reflecting on the you know, one
for review the feedback and there was eight hundred that
come and externally from our organization and two hundred from
our stuff, and it really had me reflecting on what
it was we were trying to achieve at the start
and where we were now and a lot of the
things that we were trying to address we just organizationally
we had improved on and particularly from the district our staff,
we're doing a great job and improving in some of

(03:47):
those places. Took around managing our demand, which brought into
I started the question the relevant and you know, we're
sort of disrupting people and upsetting communities by achieving this,
that we actually are managing the this through our current
focus on our deployment.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I mean part of the problem that you was it
was coming from a good place, I think, which was
that you were trying to make sure that Jura and Rolliston,
which are growing, actually had enough really stuff. So what
are you going to do about that?

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Well, We've still think we've got some positions that we've
already got in place out there that aren't affected by
the restructure. We're going to get together as a team
tomorrow and see one of the things we've got in
place now that aren't actually impact will require restructure to
achieve and keep moving on those with you. We're just
mindful and monitoring out how much we demand we have

(04:35):
in those areas and how are currently meeting that, And
we are doing very well. And I think actually it's
a testament to our staff that despite going through the
proposal or the restructure, that they're carried on to do
an amazing service.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Is this a case where you think you can actually
cover on Urda and Rolliston properly or are you going
to need you know, without additional results, or are you
going to need additional resource.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
No, we're definitely not going to need a or resource.
And what we have seen throughout this is that we
know that we've got enough numbers to manage the demanders
in the district. We just questioned whether we've got them
in the right places. But what we've seen from our
people is some really good suggestions about how we might
deploy to those they actually meet that without actually disrupting
people now as they're roight Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Fair enough, Okay, so when are we doing the coffee?

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (05:21):
I might hold that one over you for next time.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Mate, Why not make sure we get an easy interview
next time Tony? Thanks very much. My best of luck
with Tony Hill. Canterbury District Command is Superintendent. Look, I'm
all about declaring bias and making sure that people understand
what's going on. So next time Tony's on the show
and you think I'm going too soft, it's because of
what just happens. Because I owe a m coffee. Now

(05:44):
New Zealand Post listen, this has come out today not
entirely unexpected. In fact, I think we all were expecting this.
They are going to drop delivery days. They're going to
deliver mail to you less frequently. So at the moment,
if you're living in a town or a city, you're
getting your mail three days a week, it's now going
to be come two days a week. If you're living rurally,
you're getting your mail five days a week, that's now

(06:04):
going to become three days a week. Now, I know
that I may not be represented of everybody, but I
genuinely I'm not going to notice the difference. I reckon
that I probably check. I reckon I just occasionally check
my mailbox just in the hope that somebody's chucked something
cool in there. Most of the time they haven't, and
so I think, honestly, I don't even know what days
the mail arrives. So I'm not going to not don't

(06:26):
please don't check something cool on my mailbox. Now I'm worried.
I'm worried about what I'm going to find in there.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
Now I'm putting the idea in your head as well,
which is worse anyway. So I don't think most of us,
I genuinely don't think most of us are going to
notice the difference. I feel like rural New Zealand is
going to get a little upset about this because you
know it matters more to rural New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
But you cannot be surprised by this. And also I
reckon it's not that far away where if you're living
in a city, it's going to be one day a
week and if you're living rurally two days a week. Anyway,
we'll talk to the CEO of New Zealand Post. He's
going to be with us about quarter past five. We'll
last so in an hour's time. Right now, it's fourteen
past four.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
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Speaker 3 (07:10):
Heather, do you think when he's going to start shoplifting
now that he's been traumatized? I hope not. No, No,
he is not. But you know others would, wouldn't they?
Seventeen past four Sport with tab Power plays Better Unlock
Bigger odds are rating bet responsibly, Darcy Watergrave sports talk
hosters with that's all it does. Hello, Heather, who's going

(07:30):
to take over from Dame Knowles Well?

Speaker 7 (07:32):
Avett's got at the moment whether she wants to carry
on full time? Who knows well, isn't she.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
She and her husband are running what's the Catholic boys' school.

Speaker 7 (07:40):
Since Stevens Since Stevens. Yeah, yeah, and they've got that
up and running again. When she came to help Netborne,
New Zealand, was the school holidays so fortuitous? I think
the word is that she had the time in the room,
but God approached again. So plainly, she's keiven hospital passed
and her husband said you do it, and she just
wants to help. That's what she says. I'm looking to

(08:01):
get her on tonight talk more about that. I'm interested
in a number of things because plainly none of us
are any wiser. We don't know what Noline did wrong.
We don't know who made the accusations. We don't know
what the offer was the Neckbull New Zealand from Dame
Nolean and her group to carry on playing. We don't
know if Neckbull New Zealand want to even keep Dame

(08:25):
Nolen toto. There are so many and this has gone
on for how long now, either a few weeks. There
are loose ends everywhere. See More's the point is Nipple
New Zealand. Are they actually capable of naming a new
coach who'd want to work for them?

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I know, right? Does he a question for you? We
don't know what Dame Noles has been accused of. No,
does Dame Noles know what she's been accused of?

Speaker 7 (08:48):
No, from what I can gather, she doesn't.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
That's what I'm hearing as well.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
And not only did she not know, she don't know,
she doesn't know, don't know, she doesn't know who accused her.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
So they've called her and so so what we're hearing,
and look, let's be clear that we are having to
piece this together, right, So there's no official confirmation from that.

Speaker 7 (09:07):
This is a Frankenstein monster of an opinion.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
But what we're hearing is that she's been called in
and she's been told that players have made anonymous complaints.
Will not name the.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
Behalf of other players, behalf of us.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Will not name the players, and will not tell her
what the complaint is because that would be naming the players.

Speaker 7 (09:26):
Yeah, how do you do?

Speaker 3 (09:28):
What is wrong with Netbarre, New Zealand? How can you
This is not natural justice?

Speaker 7 (09:31):
I tell you what. The media of Sir Carry Manders
is fantastic carry. So I believe that event will be
joining us tonight because she's been one that you can
rely on. It's awful. It's awful for the team, it's
awful for the fans, it's awful for the younger fans
who idolize these players. And you've got to look to
Grace Wicker who basically said this and had it go

(09:54):
and now she's probably strive.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Have you also heard that are coppying it in the
team for having said that when the others in the
team don't want old mate Noles back. Well, I don't know, lord,
what an absolute mess?

Speaker 8 (10:08):
No idea?

Speaker 7 (10:08):
And the Constellation cover is on the doorstep. It's not
that far what nineteenth of October? I don't know what
they hope to achieve out of this. Is there an
end point of this? Is there an exit to this?
Will it happen before Christmas? We don't know it is
People accuse ends it are of being a little clumsy
and a little hand fisted, making them.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Like positively professional. Let's show you what ladies can do now, right,
Let's talk about the key wings. How come there are
only three warriors in there?

Speaker 7 (10:44):
There are three, four, five, six seven warriors through the
three teams that are involved. I think that's an important thing,
because you've got Dementric Varmonga and Lecqua the Wrecker Halsema
are playing for the tongue inside. If that's not the nice,
frightening pack I've ever seen, I don't know what is.
Tonga are playing your kiwis November second nothink and as

(11:04):
a doubleheaded with the way Hanny you've got to go.
Have you ever seen Tonga play rugby league? Have you
ever been to the ground?

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Obviously no epic' it wow.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
It is so good. Whether they can get the same
energy they did it Mount Smart last time I went,
which was crazy crazy. It's just all red and white
flags and singing and chanting and loving life and dancing.
If they can replicate that at Eden Park, that will
be the place to be. That'll be something else. And
then also you've got Rts and you've got Harris to

(11:33):
Vita they've been s looking for the Sarmuans side. And
then you've got Clark Charms, the called Clark Start who
joins the show tonight, and James Fisher Harris the New
Zealand involvement. You got to look a number of the
players within that Warrior's side. There's no allege between them
and New Zealand. Yeah, there's Tongan's and Sarmans and Australians

(11:56):
and the like as well, so I don't think it's
necessarily ripping on the Warriors have done. They've produced some
astonishing players this year. And then this sees a lot
about the players that are Kevin Forn's coming back which
is super cool. Yep, and a plane near. We've got
a few problems with broken players. We're not allowed back again,
but that's okay, that's the nature of it. And no

(12:16):
Australian team because they're going to England to play the
English who's running World rugby?

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Me that well, God, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
This is supposed to be like this is it? This
is like we've got the best teams playing and suddenly
the defending champions to go. Oh no, is that the
time we've got to go to London? A what?

Speaker 9 (12:39):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
I appreciate your time.

Speaker 7 (12:41):
Thank you. I really like processing sport for you.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I appreciate you processing.

Speaker 7 (12:46):
It's just yeah, warning about back.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
With Sports Talk at seven this evening for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's Heather
duplicusy Ellen Drive. We have one new Zealand coverage like
no one else news talks.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
They'd be four twenty five. So this is what Chloe
you mean. I mentioned at the start of the program.
Chloe doesn't come out of this looking like not not
one hundred percent bad, but definitely not flash because this
is what she said at the press conference yesterday with
a Kashia who was at Winston's house, revealing Winston's address
standing right next to her.

Speaker 10 (13:20):
New Zealanders are incredibly angry and frustrated. They want somewhere
to channel that anger. The message that we are outlining
this morning is that New Zealanders should direct that frustration
to direct calls to action to elected representatives.

Speaker 11 (13:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Trouble with that is that then that night somebody went
to the house of an elected official representative and chapter
what crowbar through the window. So I'm not entirely sure
that's what Chloe meant, but you know, some would say
that that what she said was giving permission for the
protest to just carry it on, wasn't she? By the way,
on that subject. I don't know if you realize this,

(13:56):
but we have another two citizens on a New Zealand
that is on another flotilla which is headed to Gaza
right now and they reckon. They're about three days away
from hitting the shore. So that's awesome. Isn't it more
for us to deal with? Now? It feels like we've
got a lot of Adrian All updates at the moment.
I got another one for you. He's launched his own company,
so it appears his restraint of trade is over. He's

(14:18):
got his four hundred and sixteen thousand dollars in his
bank account untaxed. So about three hours before the Reserve
Bank published its annual report yesterday which did reveal how
big his payday was, he launched his management consultancy business
and he called it Adrian Or Limited, just to make
sure you know it's Adrian Or. This is Adrian Or Limited. Now,

(14:40):
no disrespect to Adrian All, who is a very intelligent man,
But is anyone going to hire Adrian All for management consultancy?
Because I feel like I feel like his strengths, if
we've learned anything from his time in the Reserve Bank
and previous employment, his strengths are really in, you know,
investing money. He was very good at that's I feel

(15:00):
like he might have launched a business where he gave
you advice on investments. He got really like really deep
into the climate change policy when he was at the
Reserve banks. He might have had like a line there.
But management consultancies, the definition is management consultancies generally work
with people and organizations and businesses to resolve issues and
make recommendations to improve performance. So yeah, I'm fascinated to

(15:23):
see how that business venture goes. News is next.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Owning digging deeper into the day's headlines. It's Heather Duplicylan
Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else
news talks.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's just a reminder that after five o'clock we're going
to speak to Akasha O'Connor, who was the protester who
was at Winston Peter's house and revealed his address and
was also at the Green's press conference yesterday. She's with
us after five. Our governments put out the but you
know how they do this every quarter they put out
the things that they've already finished, and then the things
they're going to do, so they reckon they've done. I'm
going to count this for your hold in a techi.

(16:07):
They've done everything in the twenty eight list from quarter
three except for two things. Partially completed is the take
cabinet decisions to approve regulations enabling open banking, thing they're
supposed to do, and then also partially complete it as
their progressing legislation to specifically criminalize foreign interference and strength
and espionage offenses. So that's not bad having done all

(16:29):
the other things I am, and I think I predicted
this at the starts rapidly tiring of the quarterly plans.
It's not that it's a bad idea necessarily, It's just
that it is just so process, isn't It's just like lists.
I mean, I think we all love a list for ourselves,
but other people's lists kind of suck. And it's a
little bit like that. There's a lot of stuff on

(16:51):
here unfortunately that you're kind of it's boring because you're
expecting them to do it.

Speaker 12 (16:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Introduce legislation to focus the new earthquake prone building system
on the high risk building. Well, we already knew that
was happening, so of course you're going to do that.
Introduce legislation for the Arms Act, Well, yeah, introduced legislation
for the Citizens Arrest Powers. Good, you said you're going
to do it some of the stuff that is a
little more exciting, and I am here for this. For example,
Number fourteen sign contracts for and publicly detail the government's

(17:18):
ferry solution for Cockstrait. I think fair to say most
of us are very much looking forward to seeing what
happens there. Also seventeen confirm the first events that will
be funded by the fifty million dollar events attraction on
one off events boost packages. I can't wait to see
who we're going to see at Eden Park. Also then
the curriculum you know for years zero to ten and
so on, so that'll be slightly interesting anyway, Barry soapas
with us on politics in about ten minutes time. Right now,

(17:40):
it's twenty three away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
It's the world wires on news dogs.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
They'd be drive so. French President Emmanuel mccron is under
pressure after the prime minister resigned after just twenty six
days in the job.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Being prime minister is a difficult task, undoubtedly even a
bit more challenging at the moment, for one cannot be
prime minister when the conditions matt.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
He's the third French prime minister to leave since December,
and the fifth to leave in the last two years,
and several parties are now calling for early elections, but
Macron has said he's not going to leave before the
end of his term in twenty twenty seven. To the US,
the Senate has failed for a fifth time to reopen
the government. Trump'says negotiations are underway, but the House Minority
leader says differently, Well.

Speaker 13 (18:20):
The White House has gone radio silent since the Oval
Office meeting last Monday, and neither Leader Schulmoor or myself
have heard a work from the administration about resolving this issue.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
And finally, the US Homeland Security Secretary has vowed that
ice agents will be all over this year's Super Bowl
now that Porto Rican star Bad Bunny is performing, and
Whoopi Goldberg has suggested that people confuse the immigration agent's
racial profiling approach.

Speaker 14 (18:48):
Everybody, get a little color butter set in the sun,
and then and this is the only time you can
probably ever do this, give yourself a latinax as seen.

Speaker 15 (19:00):
She can tell who.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Is international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business, I mean Lexbi Claire.

Speaker 16 (19:09):
Whoop.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
He is telling them to do some cultural appropriation and
also sit in the sun and get a real intense burn.
So there's a lot of people who are going to
be very upset about what we said. Murrayold's Ossie correspondents
with us Alla mus afternoon Heather, So that Sydney shooters
appeared in court, is he Yes?

Speaker 16 (19:27):
He has sixty year old man Temios mints Us in
court with his family. Did not apply for bail. He'll
be back in court again in December. He's facing twenty
five charges, eighteen of them shooting with intent to murder,
so it couldn't get much more serious than this, and
then at least fifty bullets. They are still trying to
work out precisely how many shots were fired in this

(19:49):
completely bizarre and random event. I mean, police made it
very clear before any court appearance there were no drugs
as best as they can tell, the guy wasn't drunk.
They didn't find any ideology that would be driving this.
There was no manifesto saying I want the world to
stop or whatever, so it's just a real mystery at

(20:12):
this stage. So he's been remanded in custody and no
doubt between now on the start of December, please are
going to try and work out just why he's pulled
this weird stunt. I mean, there's one guy in hospital
still shot through the neck and shoulder as he drove.
Pay was the passenger in the car, just driving. It's
very busy road. It's not quite Kerrang a happy road,

(20:33):
but it's not far short. It's a very very busy artery.
So this guy's gone bang bang bang for nearly two hours.
Why the cops didn't lob a rocket propelled grenade through
the window of the apartment, I don't know, But took
him a long time to get this guy into custody.
So all these questions yet to be answered. As I said,
one guy sitid in hospital. Sixteen others were treated for

(20:54):
flying glass mass.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
What is the graffiti that's been sprayed in Melbourne?

Speaker 16 (21:00):
It says glory to Hummaus in dirty, great big letters
that cannot be missed from the street. And of course
it today is the second anniversary of the Hummas attack
in Israel. Twelve hundred dead, two hundred and fifty taken hostage,
So it's the last thing anyone wants to see over here.
Some idiots are out and about discussing and condemned by

(21:21):
the government, by the opposition. Everybody who's got half a
brain will condemn that sort of that sort of graffiti,
you know, And we're not immune here in Sydney. I
mean that was down in Melbourne tonight. In Sydney there's
a Glory to our Martyrs demonstration been organized out for
the western suburbs at or Southwest Sydney Bankstown. The Premier

(21:44):
Chris men said, terrible timing. Come on use any other
of the three hundred and sixty four days of the year,
and this afternoon New South Wales police in the Supreme
Court trying to block a march this Sunday that's proposed
to start from the center of town and end up
at the Sydney Opera House. Police are on public safety

(22:07):
grounds and simply can't be allowed to happen. A busy
Sunday afternoon, lovely Sunday afternoon spring in Sydney. The Opera
House has got ticketed events, it's got that lovely opera
bar there. You'll have people having lunch. They don't want
ten thousand lunatics descending on the place and you know
and making a ruckus. Police salers sort out some other

(22:28):
end point for your march and will facilitate that, but
the opera house must be off limits for public safety.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Interesting muzz, Thank you as always appreciate talking to you.
Murray Old's Australia.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Correspondent Heather due to see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Heither stop bagging the list at least at least the
slot gets stuff done. Naha, listen, no, no, no, listen,
it's legit to bag the list. I mean it's like
because it's boring, and still I still think that they
should do it, because look, I did this. I did
study political management at university and I do understand that
what they're doing is like this is very good political

(22:59):
but it is boring. I mean, it's like me going
through my list with you for what I need to
do tonight. Tonight I have to consider what meat I
should retrieve from the freezer for tomorrow night's dinner. I
need to also consider reviewing where the baby is at
in terms of progressing her through the toddler food. And
then I may need to at some stage, if it's
still daylight when I get home, recheck the SPA for

(23:21):
the leak that I thought was there this morning. Like
that's dull. You don't need to know that stuff, do you,
It's like telling someone your dreams, isn't it. It's boring anyway. Still,
having said that, I still think they need to do it. Now, yeah,
I'm rarely disappointed. I'm going to tell you why I'm disappointed.
So you can pre order right now the Jasinda the

(23:43):
Untold Stories book, which is written by David Cohen. Now,
there is a part of me that really wants this
book to do well because I'm interviewed for it, as
is Mike. So you know, you're going to get a
different perspective from what I've read in Grant's book and
just say this book, You're gonna it's gonna be a
little more balanced, isn't it. So I'm here for this book.

(24:04):
And also, David is a very is well known, he
writes well, he's done a lot of books, knows what
he's doing, right, So I'm into this and I'm into
just a little bit more. I'm into the just in
the story kind of being fleshed out and being a
little bit more honest. But unfortunately, now that I see it,
so you can now I've realized who's publishing, and it's
the Centrist. Now I don't have a problem with the

(24:24):
Centrist whatever. I'd like, to be completely honest with you,
I don't think I've read very I think I might
have read one article that the c interest, and I
suspect it might have been actually on the carbon emissions
the carbon cost per ton of the green bins in Auckland.
So it's a very good piece that they did. But
the problem is the Centrist does have something of a
kind of perception issue and that it is considered to

(24:47):
be from the right. So if you're going to get
a book like this about Justinda In and then it's
published by people who are considered to be from the right,
you go, you know, like, I feel like it's already
I just yeah, I think you get my point very
So as next.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
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Speaker 3 (25:05):
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Speaker 7 (25:13):
Hither I hope we do get to it.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yeah, oh no, and we will. In fact, I'm going
to cut you shorts to be able to talk about it. Okay,
tell me about this debate on the Middle East.

Speaker 17 (25:21):
Well, it was Whinston Peters came into the house and
as a minister's able to do, said he wanted to
make a statement on the Middle East, which means other
parties can reply to it. So he was marking the
occasion of two years ago today was Hummers invaded at
Israel and twelve hundred people were killed and others taken hostage,

(25:44):
and the likes was terrible. And I remember at the
time saying, I hope they get rid of Hummits, but
not to the extent that the Israelis have gone to
to get rid of Hummers. But anyway, Peter's faced off
against labor as foreign A fear spokesman Penny henare here.
He is followed by Henar.

Speaker 18 (26:00):
One irony here they will not be lost on many
news illness is that the very protesters and their supporters
who believe we must break off diplomatic relations with Israel
are receiving consular assistance precisely because we did not do that,
and they wish to break off dipomatic relations with Israel. Nevertheless,
another irony is that three private individuals freely chose to
place themselves in a dangerous situation, but now expect their

(26:23):
government to bail them out. We'll do exactly that, not
least because the government feels a sense of responsibility even
for those who act utterly irresponsibly.

Speaker 19 (26:32):
When history calls, a true leader will answer. On Palestine,
the Prime Minister has let the call go unanswered. The
decisiveness that has been demonstrated by other countries only reinforces.
That is, the expectation that the peace plans proposed by
the United States must be fully implemented before this government
will recognize Palestine as a state.

Speaker 18 (26:54):
There are fundamental things here that other countries might have
changed because of enormous pressure back home. So what happened
tomorrow after you make that decision?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Right?

Speaker 7 (27:01):
What changes?

Speaker 18 (27:03):
And so we make this speech in that nation? Were
all this recognition changed? Nothing until Trump, alongside Saudi Arabia
and others got together a peace plan and we hope
it works.

Speaker 17 (27:14):
I think we can all agree with that, Heather. But yeah,
it was an interesting debate because it traversed the whole
of the thing. And of course the beginning of that
was all about the flotilla. And I see another two
New Zealanders are on their way here as well. But
I heard Winston say earlier. He didn't say it in
the speech, but the three that have been taken in

(27:35):
by the Israelis will be transported to Jordan, and it
sounds as though they might be on their own there
to get back to this country.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
That's very much I like that. Yeah, Look, I don't
think the Greens come out of this Winston Peter's protest
situation at his house looking very good.

Speaker 17 (27:49):
No, they don't, and you know, to demonstrate the way
they have.

Speaker 7 (27:53):
I mean, it's not the first time.

Speaker 17 (27:55):
Winston Peter's place has been attacked by protesters. I can't remember,
We're not was, but there was red paint splashed all
over the place and stickers put up that Winston had
to take down. And for MPs to be targeted like
this or any publicly elected official is to me just

(28:16):
totally unacceptable. So the protest outside elected officials home that
that legislation is due back before Parliament shortly, and the
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith has called on other parties to
support it.

Speaker 15 (28:30):
To Speaker, everybody should be able to enjoy their privacy
at home and be free from unreasonable interference with it.
We don't think it's acceptable for people to bang pots
and pans all through the night, or to create an
environment of fear and intimidation for individuals, their families and neighbors.
Mister Speaker, Intimidation has no place in our democracy and
I call upon all members, all parties in Parliament, particularly

(28:52):
the Greens but also Labor to join the government to
defend that principle.

Speaker 17 (28:57):
And you know, the outrages from peace is I think understandable.
And you remember just a few years back James Shaw,
the former co leader of the Greens was attacked on
Wellington Street. Well, there was no party lines then. Everybody
was upset at that and rightly so.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
On the Marti Party wasn't already kiper is supposed to
be sworn in today.

Speaker 17 (29:16):
She was supposed to be sworn and John Tammerherry was
at Parliament today saying that concentration should be made on that.

Speaker 7 (29:23):
Well, if the.

Speaker 17 (29:25):
Party's concentration was on the swearing end of the new
MP it didn't happen today.

Speaker 12 (29:30):
From the Electoral Commission a RITZ declaring al any co
partter to be elected at the by election for the
Tamaki Makoto electoral district I've also received from the Electoral
Commission a return declaring Michael John Davidson to be elected
a Member of Parliament to fill the vacancy list vacancy
created by the resignation of Benjamin Doyle. Both those members

(29:50):
have elected to be sworn in on a different day.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's incredible.

Speaker 17 (29:55):
Why, well, I've never heard of it. Well, no explanation
was offered. I don't know why decided both. This is
the Greens and of course the Blast.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
The Maori Party is going to have a bit of
a distinct time when they finally actually start answering questions.

Speaker 8 (30:08):
I don't know, I mean, it's the burning question.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Actually, Okay, Barry, thank you very much. Barry Sober, senior
political correspondent. Away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
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Speaker 20 (30:21):
So the government's going to pay for your vaping now, yes,
that's right. In three flavors. Doctor Kelly Burrows is the
lead researcher're in vaping for the Auckland University Bioengineering Instituting.

Speaker 21 (30:29):
I'm glad that you are laughing about it as well.

Speaker 8 (30:32):
Well, what else can we do?

Speaker 20 (30:33):
I mean, for goodness sake, what's the state of vaping as.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
You understand it in this country. Are we winning?

Speaker 21 (30:38):
I do not think we're are winning In New Zealand.
We've got some of the highest vaping rates in the
world and it's very much because the government and now
New Zealand are really promoting vaping and there are approved
methods that are safe to help people get off smoking.
So I have the dons already sending the wrong message
by supporting this product.

Speaker 20 (30:54):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Land Driver, Defend and Us.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Talk zb Heather, what is the MP for Auckland Central
doing to support her constituent, Winston Peters and his harrissment
and his own own home? keV, you ask a very
good question. The one who's been doing the harrising is
of course a Caasha O'Connor, who was the one who
just by the way, she just had her contract. She's
a what update? How have I not told you this one?

(31:20):
New Zealand. You know how they've got those campaign They've
got the new ads with the two of the kids
are lying and staring up at the sky and stars
and stuff and it's your mum, Well that's her that's
a casia. She one New Zealand just cut her contract.
Looks like the whole campaign has to be ditch now. Anyway,
we'll talk to her next alfter five. Now, did you
know it's four away from five? Did you know that
if you get a parking ticket in your car which
is registered to your name, but you're not the one

(31:42):
who was driving the car, did you know you don't
have to pay the parking ticket. Now we know this
because of a couple of cases that have gone to
the dispute tribunal. One of them was a guy who
lent his car to his daughter. She went to the
vape store, but she parked in the laundromat car park.
The parking company got a debt collected to send a
demand for it was ridiculous. It was like four hundred

(32:02):
and sixty dollars and they wanted fifty four dollars in
interest on top, and blah blah blah. The tribunal said
the man didn't have to pay the ticket, his daughter
had to pay the ticket. The daughter's liable. Also, they
could only charge ninety five dollars, not the like four
hundred something plus because that's what the signage on the
car park said there was another case where a woman
lent her car to her son. He parked in a

(32:24):
space owned by a laundromat. They wanted to ticket the
woman five hundred and fourteen dollars for thirteen dollars. She
said she was not the driver, so the car parking
company then wrote to her and said, if you were
not the driver, please complete a statutory declaration so you
can transfer liability to the driver. And the woman said, nah,
I don't have to do that. I'm under no obligation
to complete a statutory declaration, and the tribunal found she

(32:46):
didn't have to. So Number one, if you're not driving
the car, don't pay the ticket. Number two, if they're
making you transfer liability to your husband or your wife
or your child, don't do it. Just helping you fight
the good far against the car parking people. You're welcome
News Talk Zippy, you said my heart.

Speaker 12 (33:12):
From the.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Only drive show.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
You can try to ask the questions, get the answers,
find a fact.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
And give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Here the duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and
the power of satellite mobile News Talk Zippi Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Telco One New Zealand has cut its contract with an
actor in its most recent campaign over the protests outside
Winston Peter's house. Now the actor is Acacia O'Connor, who
shared Winston Peter's address online and who stood next to
Chloe Swarbrick of the Greens at a press conference yesterday.
One of the windows on the Foreign Minister's property was
smashed last night. So let's talk to Akesha O'Connor High,
Acacia Tarquere Heaver, do you know the person who broke

(33:57):
Winston's window?

Speaker 11 (33:59):
No, no, I've seen a photo and none of our
group seems to know who he is.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
So not connected to your to your your gaza protest,
not connected at all. Okay, do you think, given what
has now happened, but just you know the fact of
protesting outside his house, that you were wrong to protest
outside his house and share his address.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
You know?

Speaker 11 (34:21):
I actually no, I don't think so. So it is
New Zealander's legal right to protest. And yeah, there was
a bill that was went through yesterday to try to
change that, of course, to be able to protest in
residential areas. But at this point, when we when we
were there on the day that our friends were illegally
kidnapped by Israel. It was it was perfectly legal. The

(34:46):
cops were there and they were very actually quite supportive
of us, and I got sharing. Yeah, oh yeah, I
was just get into that. But yes, I was just saying, yes,
I shared that the street that we were on to
come and join us for a peaceful protest.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
So, yeah, taking you guys at your word, what has
happened is you've you've shared his address out there and
and we now have somebody who's crowbarred his window, right,
So was that a wise idea?

Speaker 11 (35:13):
I was really I was really sorry to hear about that.
I was really sorry to hear about that, for sure.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
How many times have you been outside his house protesting?

Speaker 11 (35:21):
That was the first time I've been down there.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Actually, what about other protesters?

Speaker 11 (35:26):
There's been other protests outside Winston's house over the last
few years at various things. When Ruffia was first invaded,
there was a protest outside his house as well as
other kind of significant dates that people were were saying,
is this how many times do you? I don't know,
Actually I couldn't. I couldn't give you a number.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
What's the late have any of them been? After dark? Probably?

Speaker 11 (35:54):
I would say, so I in winter, I would imagine, So.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
What's the latest?

Speaker 11 (36:02):
So we were there from six thirty ish till ten.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Do you think that's appropriate mine?

Speaker 11 (36:10):
Well, as we said to the cops, and they agreed
with us that it's the We were aware of school
holidays because we have children, and we had some children
with us as well, and we were singing and we
were chanting and the noise control. When the noise control
asked us to quiet down, we quiet and down and
we left it ten, which they said was a reasonable

(36:32):
time for you, because you realize.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
That there will be some occasions. And I know for
a fact there have been some occasions with you guys,
not just you obviously, but the group have been outside
his house and the only person inside his house is
his partner, who is a woman by herself. Can you
imagine how intimidating that is?

Speaker 11 (36:50):
I really can, and I am just hoping that he
can also. This is our last resort.

Speaker 22 (37:00):
Do you know?

Speaker 11 (37:00):
We have tried to email and call and do the
protests in public spaces.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
And tell me, tell me you're thinking here, Acacia, you've
got a woman in her what I don't know, late sixties,
early mid seventies, who is by herself in the house,
who's going to do what? Call her partner and be like, oh, listen,
these guys want you to, you know, take a diplomamatic
standard like that's illogical. You're just scaring a woman.

Speaker 11 (37:26):
I don't see it that way. We were not being
threatening and.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
You don't think so. You don't think there have been
occasions where paint has been poured on their patio. You
don't think that that's scary.

Speaker 11 (37:39):
Well, I actually have been more involved with the global
movement to Gaza, which has been a newer and newer
I've been a newer joining of all of this, So
I actually haven't I don't know about about these occasions.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
But what about like what about the other kids at school,
holidays or not? Kids go to bed, you know yourself,
if they are under the age of flip, I mean nine,
they're going to bed at seven at night. So for
three hours, you're disrupting neighborhood kids.

Speaker 11 (38:03):
Yeah. We, as I said before, we were singing, and
we did keep the noise to a to a level
that we was deemed appropriate by the cops and Hale Control.
And at the very beginning we had loud haile A's
while the sun was still us as you said before,
and then we changed it to to singing and to

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to we even the mood was full of love and love.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Love love is clearly bloody subjective in this case. I
don't think the jan on the inside is going to
feel like there's love coming at her. Tell me that
this is the last time it's going to happen.

Speaker 11 (38:37):
Acacia, Well, I don't. I am not an authority on that,
but the Global Movement to Gaza we are a peaceful,
a peaceful group and we.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Well, just so that you understand what it looks like
from the other side, you do not look peaceful. You
look like you're trying to scare people.

Speaker 11 (38:56):
Yeah, and where maybe you guys need to go and
taking for peace? Where fighting for Winston Peter's house. I'm
so sorry to hear that it had a stone go
through it. But we're here trying to ask him to
extend the right of a safe home to Palestinians whose
homes are being bombed every day indiscriminately not appropriate.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
It doesn't make it appropriate, man, just because there are
some crime going on the other side of the world,
which absolutely is upsetting. So many of us who are mums.
Does not make it appropriate for you to start harassing
people in this country now. So I'm taking it from
what you've said. It's not going to be the last time?

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Is that right?

Speaker 11 (39:30):
I imagine? I imagine not. But like I said, I
don't have anything to do with you.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
You realize that you are going to force the opposition
in Parliament to vote for that piece of legislation that
you don't want because they're going to.

Speaker 7 (39:42):
Have to vote for it.

Speaker 11 (39:43):
Now, Cletely, well, I feel I can see that they
are trying to take the rights of protesters away.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Yeah, and I think I'm okay with that in this case.
Do you not think most people will be okay with that?

Speaker 11 (39:53):
I don't know. I don't know about most people, but
I'm at the point where I'd be willing to beg
to sit at Winston Pea his feet and beg for
him to take a stand for Palestine vacationion.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Nobody, Akasha, nobody is gonna, Nobody is gonna is going
to criticize you for your position on Gaza. We most
of us feel like that it's the way that you're
doing it. Listen very quickly, have you had to hear
that most of you feel that way. Just pull you
hidden on this action. Man, it's inappropriate. Quick quickly tell
me have you heard from One New Zealand about cutting
you out of the ads?

Speaker 7 (40:26):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (40:26):
I have, Yes, I have?

Speaker 3 (40:27):
And what do they cut the contract? Have they?

Speaker 11 (40:29):
Yes? The contract has been cut. Yeah, as they are
choosing profit over people.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
All right, okaysha, thanks very much. I really appreciate your time.
Acacia O'Connor, Gaza activist and protester who shared Winston Peter's
address online.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Five Heather do for see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Heather, New Zealand says, stop to Acacia Heather. One New
Zealand has definitely done the right thing by dumping this
woman from their ad campaigns. In the text goo on,
we'll get back to some of them, and just to
take at seventeen past five. Now, let's say that they're
facing emotion blackmail from customers who don't want to pay
their bills. They are complaining of a riz and nasty behavior.
Kevin Bryant is chief executive of the New Zealand Veterinary

(41:07):
Association and with us Hi Kevin, yeah, hi here, how
are you good? Thank you? What kind of emotional abuse
are you guys going through.

Speaker 23 (41:15):
Well, it's really a case of, you know, we've got
a situation in the country where everyone's struggling a little
bit with hard times, and what our vet clinics are
seen sometimes all too frequently is situations where clients are
coming in with an animal needing treatment, and when it

(41:37):
comes to sorting out the bill, they hit with the well,
we can't afford to pay that, and you shouldn't be
charging us. You're too expensive, and you know you should
just look after our animals for free.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Do you think it's an expectation that because if you
take yourself to ED, your treatment is free, Therefore if
you take your beloved animal it should be free too.

Speaker 24 (41:58):
Well.

Speaker 23 (41:58):
I think there's a huge amount of infusion in the
public arena between the fact that we have a heavily
subsidized human health system and a totally unsubsidized animal health system,
and I think that's definitely part of it, and people,
I think drawing comparisons between the two.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Are people surprised at how much it costs to get
an animal seen to.

Speaker 9 (42:22):
Yes is the short answer.

Speaker 23 (42:24):
And I guess if they had the real information in
front of them about what similar treatments might cost them
in the human field, if it wasn't subsidized, they probably
would think it's a really good deal.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Now this is only going to get more expensive, isn't it,
because there is a huge number of vets who are
going to drop out of it.

Speaker 23 (42:46):
Well, we've got a shortage of veterinarians and vet nurses.
We've always had a shortage, but that hasn't gone away.
And we also have an aging workforce, so there is
Whilst we've got an increase in the number of people
who have been trained in MASSY, which is great, we
are also seeing people exiting the exiting the industry for

(43:12):
a lot of retiring and unfortunately some are leaving because
of the stress caused by some of these interactions with
the public and they leave clinical practice. Some more often
than not turn up working for somewhere else in the industry,
supporting the veterinarians, but not in clinical practice.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Okay, Kevin, listen, thanks very much for talking us through.
That's Kevin Bryant, chief executive of the New Zealand Veterinary Association.
It's twenty past five, Heather, do for see Allen, Heather
is a case. You're happy that this may stop her
ever getting another job. Heather Winston is fricking eighty and
done so much for New Zealand. I'm angry on his behalf.
Here the police send me that woman's address. I'd like
to pop around with a loudhailer and a number of

(43:53):
noisy mates with drums to make it even better. Listen. Obviously, obviously,
as tempting as that may be, this is not what
we want, right, None of us think. I don't think
that we think it's appropriate to Harris Winston in his house,
or Acasia in her house, or Chloe in her house.
And this is where I really get quite cross about
this is that nobody plays the victim like the people

(44:15):
of the Greens.

Speaker 22 (44:16):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
They were like bussy. People were mean to Bossy on
social media. Ah, people are so mean to Tory on
social media. People are mean to our lady MP's on
social media. But then the minute it's in real life,
around outside somebody else's house, justifiable because it's lawful. Well,
actually a lot of what's going on in social media
is also lawful, not nice, lawful, but your moan about

(44:37):
it like crazy. So how about we have good behavior
for everybody? You know what I mean anyway, listen, just
got to tell you there's a supermoon tonight. So I've
got your plans for seven thirty sorted. Now. A supermoon
is what the tin says. It's closer to the Earth,
so it looks bigger, like super bigger. So what you
want to do is you want to go out during sunset,
which is around seven thirty this evening, and you want

(44:59):
to look at the settings.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
I think it's ok I think it's okay to look
at it when it's setting, as opposed when Donald Trump
looks at it, which is in full glare. So you know,
you go and google it yourself and see if it's okay.
But that's where best viewing time is at the setting point.
And if you miss it tonight you can still because
of bad weather, you can still do it tomorrow night.
Five to twenty one, The.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Day's newsmakers talk to Heather First, Heather Duplicy, Ellen Drive
with One New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile
news talks.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
That'd be the post is getting reduced. We're going to
talk about that in about ten minutes after the news
five twenty four, Listen, we need to talk about why
we're persisting with having so many local body politicians. We
clearly have too many positions, don't we. I mean, just
look at how many people are winning their seats at
the moment the elections are this weekend. Look at how
many people are winning their seats without any elections, without

(45:46):
any without anybody standing against them in the elections, with
more than two hundred, that's one in every seven council races.
So Hodanui already has its mayor even though the elections
are this weekend. It's Marie Black, no one's standing against her.
One o we two already has its mayor, Michael Ford,
no one standing against him. There are more than eighty
councilors who are already elected across the country. There are

(46:07):
several on the Southland Regional Council already elected Lower Hut
Southland or Taranga, Buller, Stratford, Marlborough councils. Two of Auckland's
councils already elected unopposed, three of Christ churches. There are
also empty seats that no one wants to fill in
community boards in the Routrua Lakes, New Plymouth, kaituk Air, Clifton,
as well rural Hastings, Hand, Miss Springs, Twizel, and Matoda.

(46:31):
What that tells you is you have more positions to
fill than you have people who want to fill those positions. Now,
just have a look at your voting will please have
a look at your voting papers and vote if you can.
I voted in Auckland already, right. I had one vote
for mayor, I had one vote for council, and then
I had up to seven votes for my local board.

(46:51):
I didn't vote seven times for my local I didn't
know who all of those people were. I knew about
five of them, and at least two of them I
knew for bad reasons. I don't want to vote for them.
So you know, I think we're asking We clearly are
asking too much. And by the way, in Auckland, we
have one hundred and seventy two local board politicians by
the end of this process, and I'm not even counting

(47:13):
the local licensing Board. The Licensing Trust members one hundred
and seventy two, the most junior of which, which is
the ward counselors, get paid more than fifty four thousand
dollars each. Now, I think, looking at all of this,
we are well overdue tipping all of this up and
changing it and massively reducing the number of people that
we're paying to do probably not.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
A lot, Heather duplusy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
So Michael and the news team crunched the numbers for
me because I was like, this is outrageous. So we
had a look at it. Right, In Auckland, one hundred
and seventy two elected members for one point eight million people.
That means for every ten and a half thousand people
in Auckland, we've got a politician in one politician for
every ten and a half thousand of us. In Southland
they have one hundred and fourteen elected members for one

(47:56):
hundred and four thousand people. That means they have one
politician for every nine hundred and ten people. That is ridiculous.
As he said, could be run by one unitary council
with basically ten elected members. In Kaikoda District they have
eight elected members for four four hundred people. That means
they have one politician for every five hundred and fifty people.

(48:16):
I mean, come on, I reckon, if we even had
it would have too many anyway. I think there's a cost,
do you know what I mean? If Nicholas on a
cost saving drive. How about looking at local body and
just going slash slash slash slash. You'd save heaps there,
wouldn't you. Anyway, Let's talk talk about saving and slashing.
Talk to post next.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
It's Heather Duplicyl and drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else used talk the birbiity.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Hither why did you tell everyone to look at the
setting sun to view the supermoon, Julie, that's a really
good question. I don't know. I can't answer that question.
I also I, oh, now I'm confused because I think
they did say you need to look at what's it
a sunsets in that I know the sunsets in the west, Laura,
thank you the Germans. You know you know she is.

(49:24):
She's like, I've got the facts anyway, with the point
of the point of what she's trying to say is,
I don't know whether you're now, I don't know if
you're supposed to look east or west anyway. You know what,
you've got eyes figure it out. If you've got two
hours to figure this out for yourself, and I'll figure
it out as well, I let you know tomorrow. Jeez,
that I set you off in the wrong direction. Hither.
I just voted for a whole lot of people who

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I have no idea who they are or what they
will do and whoever gets and I'll probably never hear
about what they do, if anything. I think that's why
there's not a lot of interest in voting. No one
understands who the hell everyone is. Grant, you've hit the
nail on the head. You look at all those people,
you go, oh lord, there's a lot of reading in
this booklet. Now, I can't be That's why people don't
vote anyway. Maurice Williamson is one of our huddlers who's
going to be us shortly, so we'll see if he's

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got any hot tips on how to deal with us.
Now twenty four away from six and what will come
as absolutely no surprise to anyone, New Zealand Post has
decided to deliver mail less often because of declining male volumes. Now,
if you live in town, your three delivery days are
going to go down to two, and if you live
rurally you'll five delivery days are down to three. David
Walsh is the CEO of New Zealand Post.

Speaker 24 (50:24):
Hi, David, I get a Heather, how are you well?

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Thank you? This is probably over, do you don't you think?

Speaker 24 (50:31):
Yeah, Look, the announcement today is something that we've been
aware of, really as a result of the way that
the Ylanders have changed their communication and habits. So it's
twenty thirteen since the last time we had a change,
and this is reflective of what's going on now.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Twenty thirteen do you reckon?

Speaker 5 (50:46):
So?

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Do you reckon? It'll be twelve years before we have
another change down.

Speaker 24 (50:50):
Well, look it's been hard to pick really. Look where
the Zealand Posts have been around for one hundred and
eighty five years. And look, our role is to deliver
the services that New Zealand need. We'll keep delivering our mail.
We'll have to respond to you know, the circumstances we're facing,
but you know that's our job. That's what we'll continue
to do.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Well, you'd get another review when male volumes dip below?
Is it one twenty million?

Speaker 24 (51:15):
Yeah, Look, there is a trigger point there that just
allows you know, if there's a reset of if the
circumstances are needing to be revisited. But look, we're not
jumping to any conclusion.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Well, what's your male volume at the moment, so about
one fifty million. You'll had one twenty million in the
next three years, don't you reckon?

Speaker 24 (51:36):
Yeah, Look, we fully expect mail decline male reductions to continue.
These Ylanders are getting their communications vary very differently, so
it's really just a chance to reset. I wouldn't get
too presumptuous about but David, I mean might care at
that time.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
It's entirely feasible, isn't it that we've just gone to
two days to urban addresses, three days to rural addresses,
and within the next three years it'll be one day
urban addresses, two days rural addresses. That's possible, isn't it.

Speaker 24 (52:02):
Well, yeah, again, I wouldn't want to speculate on it.
We've certainly talked David.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
It's your job to speculate. Well, not maybe to me,
but it's your job to know where this is going
because you're the CEO.

Speaker 24 (52:14):
Yeah, well, tell me we have a mail based on
what New Zealanders require us to do. They've changed the
way that they communicate, will continue to respond to that change. Yeah,
but you know, we've we've got a very big delivery network.
We were out there delivering parcels every day. We've signaled
to the long term strategy, might see our network deliver

(52:37):
mail in terms of what's left over. So yeah, there'll
be way too early for us to speculate what might
happen in a few years from here.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
David, it sounds to me like you are bracing yourself
for negative reaction. I would have thought that most people,
I mean, look, call me naive, and maybe I am,
but I would have thought that most people like me
would understand this is where it's going and this is
probably not a bad thing.

Speaker 24 (53:00):
Yeah, it's certainly about not being concerned about the public
reaction either. People have changed the way that they communicate.
You know, back in twenty thirteen, I think we delivered
six hundred and fifty million letter items. It's like six
or seven items per household per week. We're down to
one or two New Zealanders are changing the way they

(53:21):
want to receive information. But we will respond to whatever
is available to us. And I think you're right. Most
people see what comes through their mailboxes every day and
they are just accordingly. So that's our job and we'll
continue doing it.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Yeah, and you do a great job. Thank you, David appreciated.
David Walsh, CEO of New Zealand Post heather Moon rise
Today is seven thirty seven this evening in the east.
So when I said look at the sun, what you
want to do is turn around look the opposite way
if you don't mind. Twenty away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your
one of a kind on.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
The Huddle of us this evening we have Rus Williamson
Auckland Councilor and Craig Rennie Ctut for Economistello you two,
good evening, fair enough, fair enough on the post a Morris, Oh.

Speaker 9 (54:10):
Yeah, look the world's changed. I mean, who's still got
a checkbook? Who's still got a landline? And post is
something that had its day and was incredibly useful and
everyone relied on the post. But I don't know whether
I've ever last.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Yeah, what do you think, Craig?

Speaker 25 (54:26):
I think you're absolutely read. The poster is declining, physical
posters declining, but parcels are going up. We are sending
more parcels as more Internet shopping than it's ever happening before.
The key thing is how do we protect the workforce
because the post has been getting rid of postal workers
and in recruiting a lot more couriers who don't have
the same protections as the postal workers had. So it's

(54:49):
about making sure that we don't you know, a union, Craig,
it is indeed a union thing by bunds, and the
cost of that change on those workers.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yeah, how long Morris, if you could take a punt,
how long do you reckon it is before we finally
get rid of postal days like delivery days all together,
and we're just required to go and pick up whatever
mail we have every few months at a central location.

Speaker 9 (55:12):
Well, I'm trying to think of whether there's any mail
you need any more any rate. I mean, every one
of our bills comes via internet. I've watched my wife
go back to the to the letter box, pull the
stuff out, walks over the yellow lidan and trow throw.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
I mean, I think, Morris, you need to get your
regio in the mail, but that can come via courier.
Like everything that you really need in the mail, you
just career it.

Speaker 9 (55:33):
Yes, well, I think that may change to and be
actually be electronic. They're doing a whole lot of stuff
with new warrants and even the digital license. Yeah. Look,
I just think you've got to accept that things have changed,
and you imagine trying to tell people thirty years ago
to go without a checkbook.

Speaker 7 (55:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
True, that's a very good point, Craig. How do you
feel about the protesters outside Winston's house? Do they need
to call us off?

Speaker 25 (55:55):
I really think they do. I'm a fully paired up
member of the Union for Politics and advisors and people
who work in Parliament. You can't protest that, say, people's
homes this way. It's not the right thing to do.
It doesn't help the campaigns. I personally don't support this.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
What about you, Morris?

Speaker 9 (56:13):
Oh, it's an outrage, absolutely outrage. I don't think Winston
would have even been there because it was a cabinet day,
so his wife Jan who's just a lovely lady, she
would have been intimidated by a group of people out there.
They had a loud hailo blearing away and so on,
and I thought they went till some hour in the night,
which is it's just disgraceful. You want to go to approach,
go down to Victoria Park do your protest. You know,

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what do you ever stand on the side of the
main road do it. I'm not going to try and
restrict anyone's right to protest, but doing outside of any
politicians home is just wrong.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Craig, do you think the Labor Party is going to
support that legislation that makes this kind of thing unlawful?

Speaker 25 (56:51):
No, because it's badly written, because it doesn't set out
what is a protected area. So there's the Kent Shepherd
Departments directly across the road from Parliament, which have as
some of their tenants and honors a number of politicians
that would then make any protest at Parliament illegal. And
it's it's as it's written, it doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
So would would the Labor Party create help in the
submissions process which is what we're going through at the moment,
and actually rewrite it so it is workable?

Speaker 25 (57:19):
Well, I would. You'd have to ask the Ever Party enough.
My guess is that there will, But as it's currently
written it doesn't work.

Speaker 9 (57:27):
What do you think, Marris, Well, if there's got some
problems in the in the fine detail, that can be
tiied up through select committee process and so on. But
I think the straight principle of it is, you know,
take me on when you want to do in public meetings,
take me on and public things at the Ata Square
or Victoria Park, but you just stay away from my home. Hither.
I was one of those INPCE who was threatened to

(57:48):
have my house and my family blown up. And after
a big investigation, the police caught the guy in Avondale.
He had detonators dynamite in the lot and went to court.
He got five I got seven years jail in the end,
and my family were living on the edge because of that,
because we first of all thought it was a pranky
left voicemail message on the tape. Fortunately we kept the

(58:10):
tape and played it back and the police followed through
and finally caught. And it's just wrong. If you disagree
with me, fine and tell me I'm wrong and you
disagree with but threatening that sort of stuff or just
intimidation is just there's no room for it, no room
for it.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
It's totally looney behavior. All right, you guys will take
a break, come back. I want to talk about what
we're going to do about all these elections and local
body politicians. We don't want Quarter two.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the global
leader in luxury real estate.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Right on the huddle we have Craig Rennie and Morris Williamson. Craig,
when you are the Minister of Finance, will you scrap
all of the local board politicians and the local body
politicians we have and just go to a manageable number.

Speaker 25 (58:50):
In that fantastically hypothetical universe at now.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Oh well, no, you don't have my vote, Bake, You've
just Why wouldn't you say yes just for the pular vote.

Speaker 25 (59:01):
No, local democracy is really important and local representation is
really important.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
We've got too many, though, Morris, haven't We.

Speaker 9 (59:08):
We got far too many. Auckland Council has way more
members elected than Parliament.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Count them up.

Speaker 9 (59:17):
I think there's one hundred and seventy two for Auckland. Yes,
but there's more because we've got quite a big stack
of people who come from the independent MARI Statutory Board
who get votes on the committees, so you can add
all of them. I think there's a dozen or so
of them as well, So you're one hundred and eighty
four or whatever, and there's what one twenty members of Parliament.
So for a city, we've got way more elected than

(59:37):
the country.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
You're not even to counter that. You're not even counting
the licensing trust. Yes, carry on, please.

Speaker 9 (59:42):
No, no, no. What happened is that this would propose
some increases during the process last year, and I just
was so objecting in my how it board out here
we had nine local board members. The proposals will go
to eleven. I voted against it. I voted against it,
and I was one of about three and the whole
the rest of the council voted to increase the number
of people in our local board to have eleven local

(01:00:06):
board members rather than nine. I just think it's insane
and most people don't know their names to start with.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Craig, do you change your mind yet?

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Come on, come on, how can you it's okay to
have more people running Auckland than there is running the country.

Speaker 25 (01:00:21):
Well I didn't I say that you can. You can
have as many. You can have an argument about whether
or not there should be more or less, But to
not have them there's a different argument.

Speaker 9 (01:00:29):
Oh no, no, it was reducing, not getting rid of them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
No no, no, no, don't get rid of them all together.
But you don't need that many. I mean, for example,
look at this Craig Okay, So Kaikoda District has got
eight elected members for four thy four hundred people, which
means they've got one person for every five hundred and fifty.
That's silly.

Speaker 25 (01:00:46):
That does seem to be quite a lot of counselors,
to be. I don't think a brook much argument from
me there to be.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
I don't need to go through the example of Southland
then we I.

Speaker 25 (01:00:58):
Think, I think in terms of, you know, we undervalue
local government and we get the local government that we
get because we undervalue, you know, the expertise and the
people that we should be looking to get onto these committees.
And you know that possibly means giving them more power,
but that probably means having fewer often.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Yeah, I suspect it.

Speaker 9 (01:01:18):
Can I quickly can ie that two of your stories
together postal.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
And local gostally connectors go.

Speaker 9 (01:01:24):
It is absolutely insane that we vote using postal voting anymore.
Most people get it from their letter box and they
go straight on the rubbish bin. Most people have put
them on the fridge and never see them again. And
the participation rate right now, do you know how many
people who voted in an organ and your chances of
seeing it by mail closed off yesterday. Right now, seventeen
percent of all voters have voted. Seventeen percent, So that

(01:01:46):
just makes a mockery of the system. We've got to
go to either a technology based and give you a
you know, a secure code that you can use, or
we've got to go back to go to a place
like you do for central government and go and vote there.
But postal voting is insane and that's so out of date.
And the fact that New Zealand posts have closed down
the whole lot of their operation today makes it even

(01:02:07):
more outrageous.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Craig, have we convinced you, I mean, at the very
least like it does need massive reform, doesn't it.

Speaker 25 (01:02:15):
Craig, Oh, local government absolutely needs as performance government got there,
we got, I reckon, but local government financing particular, that
needs huge reform. Massive governments of being asked up, local
governments of being asked to do things that they simply
do not have the financial tools to do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
By the way, Craig, have you voted, I have voted. Yeah,
good and you Morris.

Speaker 9 (01:02:39):
Oh, absolutely yes. I voted for a fantastic candidate. I
know him well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Oh is it is it that that Williamson chap.

Speaker 9 (01:02:46):
That's the Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
He's not bad.

Speaker 9 (01:02:48):
Not went to school together.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Yeah, I've got a text here. Morris Williamson makes so
much sense ex Matematic college champions. So I feel like
you're getting some votes anyway. Lads listens, good to talk
to you. Thank you very much, and I'm that we've
already set up the future Minister of Finance to do
our dirty work for us. Morris Williamson and Craig Rennie
our huddle this evening, eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
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Speaker 9 (01:03:13):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
The German has asked me to remind you that just
because you can't send you because this is so she's
so civically minded, you know how, like Europeans are into
this kind of stuff. So she wants you to know
that just because you can't send it in via letter,
via the post, you can still go in person and vote.
So you have until twelve noon on Saturday, and you
could go down to your supermarket or your train station

(01:03:36):
or your library or your bus station or whatever and
you could go and post. And please do do post
otherwise because these guys are in control of so much
of what goes on in our lives. You know, when
you know, when you drive down the street and you're like,
why are these idiot why have they changed the road layout?
That's your council. You know, when you're like, why have
they changed my bend to every fortnite? That's your counsel. Right,

(01:03:57):
So this is stuff that like totally affects your li
So please go and vote because otherwise you're gonna end
up with a bunch of numpties. Like look, imagine if
you ended up with Tory Farno running your city, right,
that would be your fault because you didn't vote. So
you have until twelve noon, and I'm sure you can
google it and find this stuff. Now, do you remember
the class action? We've talked about it a lot on
the show. Remember the class action that New Zealanders are

(01:04:17):
taking against the big Assie Banks. Well asb has just
settled this to the tune of one hundred and thirty
five million dollars. It's huge. We're going to talk to
the lawyer after six right now, it's five away from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Six Heaver due for Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Hey, listen to that. This is quite funny. Okay, I
think that we have. I think possibly one News has
taken the trigger warning too far.

Speaker 26 (01:04:40):
Okay, man, welcome back, Red Meat Processor Alliance Groups warning
shareholders the cooperative risks financial collapse.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Now just a warning.

Speaker 26 (01:04:49):
This story includes footage of meat processing, so we.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Were like, what were they doing? How gnarly was this?
Like is this like meat processing with somebody's come with
a chainsaw and it's like us carcass hanging there and
it's like splattering. No, there's no splatters on the camera.
There's no like knit heads being chopped off and all
like anything. It's just a pig carcass being cut. Guys,
come on, is that really? Like, are we at the

(01:05:18):
point now where that we need to be trigger warned
because there's gonna be some meat on tally? Surely not
like some words to TV and Z. They're not listening
because they're busy putting their the busy writing their trigger
warning four six o'clock right now for god knows what
fruit and vegetables they're gonna put on television. But words
to TV and Z, you need to get out of
town a bit more because that's just normal. Now. Also, well,

(01:05:44):
quickly before we go talk about serious banking stuff. Did
you know that police dog's teeth are reinforced with metal
I didn't know this until and this is because they
but it's basically to allow them to tug and pull
without her like really get that tooth into the bad
guy and like pull at it without hurting themselves. I
didn't know this. But then the other day there was

(01:06:04):
a court case that was reported and involved a guy
who had been running away from a police dog. Police
dog caught up with him. Is a bad guy, and
he hit the police dog with quite a big torch
and it tore out one of the dog's teeth, and
the police said in court it must have been one
hell of a blow because the teeth of police dogs
were regularly reinforced with a metal alloy reinforcement. So anyway,

(01:06:28):
word to the wise is, yeah, they are like robodogs.
Don't try not to take them on if you can. Anyway,
the lawyer is with us.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
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and how will it affect the economy? The Big Business
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Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Even in coming up in the next hour. Former All
Black Millsmoory Aena has been hired by the Auckland Business
Chamber to help with the Pacific economy. He's with us.
After half past Hamish MacKaye on what the hold ups
with the India FDA are and we have Indebrady out
of the UK as well. Seven past six. ASB has
agreed to pay more than one hundred and thirty five
million dollars to settle a class action lawsuit. Now, this

(01:07:20):
is the legal action representing about one hundred and seventy
thousand kiwis which has been taken against ASB and A
and Z who've been accused of breaching responsible lending rules.
Scott Russell is the lawyer representing bank customers in the
class action and is with us. Hey, Scott, why do
you think ASB has agreed to settle?

Speaker 9 (01:07:40):
Oh?

Speaker 27 (01:07:40):
Look, it's a commercial resolution that concludes over four years
of litigation and really provides certainty for both parties.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
How many customers of ASB have you got here?

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
Well?

Speaker 27 (01:07:53):
The action is an opt out action, which is, as
you probably know, a type of lawsuit where all individuals
who meet the criteria are automatically included as part of
the class. So it's actually going to be a matter
for courts to determine and approve in the coming weeks
what the number is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Ah, okay, so you can't look at one thirty five
mil and then say, divided by x number customers, they
will get so much. We don't know any of that yet.

Speaker 27 (01:08:15):
I can't that at that stage, this stage, know that
it'll be determined by the court in the coming weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Why is A and Z not doing the same.

Speaker 27 (01:08:23):
Well, that's a good question, and that's something we'll certainly
be reaching out and asking A and Z. But we
remain fully committed to our claim against A and Z,
continue to fight that. But A and Z customers deserve
a positive outcome here similar to that which has been
achieved for ASB Scott.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
The Government cannot surely continue with its law change, can
it now that ASB has settled?

Speaker 27 (01:08:47):
Well, The Sect Committee's due to report back to Parliament
on the twentieth of October, and am Z is now
the only known lender facing active litigation that would benefit
from this proposed respective law change. So it would be
very unclear why the government would intervene, reach back and
change the law to protect one large Australian owned bank.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
I mean, particularly when you think that ASB has said, yep,
we have to sett all this, we have to settle this.
A and Z is there. So if the bank, sorry,
if the government was to change the law, they would
be looking at and still still making the argument that
A and Z alone has to be protected. That's essentially
the nut of it, isn't it.

Speaker 27 (01:09:27):
Yeah, that's right. I mean the sentiment is still subject
to ort approval and it's made with no missions of
liability on the part of ASB. But yeah, subject to that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
You're correct, all right, Scott, Thanks very much, Scott Russell,
lawyer representing bank customers in the class action. None of
it or nub of it your choice now. ASB says
it has made no admission of liability or wrongdoing. Its
chief executive says the settlement provides certainty for the bank
and its customers. A and Z has sent us a
statement they say asb's decision to settle as a commercial
decision for them. A and Z New Zealand will continue

(01:09:59):
to defend its case. Our position hasn't changed. The potential
consequences under the current law are disproportionate, not aligned with
any actual harm caused in the risk posed by the
wording of the current legislation has been widely discussed from
a political perspective. I am fascinated and how Scott Simpson
is going to defend his position in changing the law retrospectively,

(01:10:20):
which is quite a wild thing to do. It doesn't
get done very often. How he can persist in doing
that for one Australian bank six to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Ever, due for see Ellen's Lord.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Twenty third of October is becoming quite the day. Senior
doctors and dentists have now confirmed that they are also
joining that big strike that's going to be happening on
twenty third October. So what this means is, on that
day you've got more than thirty six thousand nurses walking
off the job. You've got forty thousand teachers walking off
the job. You've got corrections nurses and health assistants, a

(01:10:52):
bunch of smaller other smaller work groups who are represented
by the PSA, and now you've got four thousand senior
doctors and dentists. So it's going to be a real
fun day. Six eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Listen. Tomorrow, of course is the OCR announcement. We just
had the last piece of data that the Reserve Bank
will be looking at before they settle down and make
that decision tomorrow, which is the business confidence. The ends
at IA's quarterly survey of Business Opinion. So there's a
drop in business confidence which has come through today A
net fifteen percent of firms expect the economy to get

(01:11:31):
better in the coming months. But while that looks okay,
actually just I think was a quarter ago it was
about twenty six percent, So it's stropped from twenty six
percent who thought the economy was going to get better
down to fifteen percent who thought the economy was going
to get better. And net fourteen percent of firms have
reported a decline in activity in their own business in
the September quarter. Nine percent of firms net nine percent

(01:11:53):
of firms expect improved demand in the next quarter. Firms
hiring and investment intentions have also reduced. So it's the
last piece of the puzzle and they can make their decision.
It's called a past.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
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Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Drive, Amous mckaye hosting the Country while Jamie McKay is
away is with us.

Speaker 22 (01:12:11):
Hello Hamish Heather, Hello, and how can I start really
enjoying Julian Jamie you start on holiday for a bit longer.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
You're doing a fantastic job. So you know he should
come back.

Speaker 22 (01:12:22):
Yeah, thank you. Well he does say don't do too well.
He's honest, James.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 22 (01:12:26):
Go well, hamous, but don't go too well. So thank
you for that. I'll keep I'll keep trying to sort
of raise the bar.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
I feel like we need to find some space for
you on our show on the regular. So just just
we'll just confer. Just you leave there with us and
we'll find a place in your hamous.

Speaker 9 (01:12:40):
I'll stop talking.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Love it but a dirty talk on the radio. We
are enjoying it very much. Now listen on the onto
the Senior serious stuff. You had the trade minister on
the show today. What are the hold ups in the
trade deal with with India?

Speaker 22 (01:12:52):
Well, yeah, that that is the well hopefully the billion
dollar plus question. So he's had the third meeting, right,
he is confident on the radio today on the Country,
saying that the fourth round of meetings will be the
knockout punch and that will come. He believes that mister
Moody and everybody that's you know who ultimately will sign

(01:13:12):
office at the table. We know what a behemoth it is.
We just got to go, you know, right now we're
exporting to them about you know, there's individuals with net
worth much more than we export to India, which is
kind of a you know, a pee in the ocean.
Really we need to be you know, we need to
we need to be in there.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
They're huge.

Speaker 22 (01:13:30):
So hopefully we can start to you know, next time around.
His promised by I think by February March next year,
we should have free trade TARA free agreement to get
our land into into India. Would yeah, well, I think
that's I'm sort of allowing for the sort of the
sort of sign off period. I mean, I'm just trying

(01:13:52):
to I'm trying to be super friendly here.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
It's not bad though, I mean Hamish we were talking about,
I mean, I think everybody sort of had a bit
of a snigger when they said they'd be able to
do it in their first term. They'd be remarkable.

Speaker 9 (01:14:03):
Yeah, well yeah it would be, it would be.

Speaker 22 (01:14:05):
But we need it. We need it, you know, I do.
Just worrying me though, what it might do for the
local home consumer, who know the old day yard of
the supermarket, a thirty dollars leg of lamb and whacking
it in the freezer and when the kids are home
from unions. I think that's gone unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
But yeap, what are you doing with your phone? Hamish?
Can Hamosh, we can't hear you. Can you just pull
your phone away from your face and look if the
mute buttons being pressed by your cheek? Please?

Speaker 22 (01:14:37):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Is that better? Did you do that better?

Speaker 12 (01:14:40):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
I can hear you.

Speaker 9 (01:14:41):
Now that was really well, well, I'm just getting carried away.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
I think I'm going to withdraw my invitation to come
on the show now. Ha mus listen, talk to me
about Beef and Lamb trying to get the farmers to
use AI. What do they what do they expect the
farmers to use AI for?

Speaker 22 (01:14:55):
So this thing that they've got is called asked Bella.
Bella's obviously you know, she is the thing you need
to get online with Beef and Lamb. It's the AI assistant.
So you've got. You know how when you go in
there and you search up and you get them, you
get all the information, but you don't get the answers. Well,
you know, Bella, Bella, I've got these fly struck lambs.

Speaker 9 (01:15:15):
What should I do?

Speaker 22 (01:15:18):
You should get the shares out and then apply X,
Y Z. It gives you the answers. Bello goes for
the answers. So it's like having millions and millions of encyclopedia,
you know, all that knowledge that probably exists in the
Lincoln University College Library, but the answers come to you.
So it's just good practical information when it is the

(01:15:38):
best time to spray my Scotch thistles. You know, I mean,
I'm trying to sound like Bella, but you know what
I mean. It seems like an incredibly practical tool to
me and sensible. You know. It's you know, I think
it's I think it's a great thing that Beef and
Lamb have come up with.

Speaker 9 (01:15:54):
Here the old ask Bella.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Yeah, why not hams that they tell me Actually that
you were on the Sports had on Friday when I
was away, So you've already started to the connection between
ourselves and you was already started.

Speaker 22 (01:16:06):
The infiltration has begun.

Speaker 7 (01:16:08):
Love it?

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Yeah, Hamish, thanks so much, look after yourself. Good luck
making your phone work for you. That's Hamish mackay hosting
the country while Jamie's away. Actually on what Hamish was
talking about the next step with AI, because of course
you can ask AI already right with the large language
model programs and stuff. You type all your questions in
a whether it's Bala or olive with Willworth whatever they can.

(01:16:30):
You can interact like that. But the next step seems
to me that we need to be able to actually
talk to AI in the way that you talk to Siri.
Have you not? Have you thought this? Because look what
happened was I was sitting in the spa last night.
What a way to start a story. I was sitting
in the spar last night, and I don't have my
phone in the spa because I think it's very healthy
to have time away from your phone. And so I

(01:16:51):
thought to myself, I thought, oh, Jason's coming to see
us this weekend. I know the kids will want to
get in the spa. I wonder what the weather's going
to be like. And I thought at that point, wouldn't
be nice to just be able to say to AI, Hey,
whatever you've called your AI. In my case, obviously it
would be Barry, So hey, Barry, what's the weather forecast
for Saturday? And then the AI can just tell you

(01:17:13):
and then you can put that one to bed and
never mind, and that that's it done, right? Don't you
don't carry the mental load of having to remember, Oh,
when I get out of the spar I've got to
go find my phone it because I forgot by the way.
So now I've got a back in my brain. I've
got to do the thing anyway. That is where AI
has got to go. But the question, of course, is
then how do you get AI to have, like how
do you integrate it in your life so that it's
there prepared to answer your questions? Now I know that

(01:17:33):
Jason Paris from One New Zealand, who was like nutty
about AI, does drive with some sort of like hands
free thing where he talks to his AI. Most of
us can't, though, So what do you do do you?
Is it a pin that sits on your lapel and
you press the pin and you go a AI? The
question or is it those stupid glasses that Zuckerberg was
trying the other day where you know, you talk to

(01:17:55):
your glasses while it's looking at the menu for you.
That is the next place this has got to go,
because this is the limitation of AI, isn't it that
it's really cool, but you've got to sit there typing
into your keyboard and somehow you have to make it
integrated in our lives. So it really just does all
the cool stuff for us. Anyway, that's the thing to
think about it. If you'll sit in there going, I'm
very good at computers, Well, then can you solve this

(01:18:16):
problem for us? Please? Six twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.
The business hour where the head duplic Ellen and maz
for insurance investments and Huey Safer and you're in good
hands News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
B hither you can already have a full conversation with AI.
Come on, says Juan. Mine is called Pete and it's
totally interactive. On Juan, you're gonna have to send me
more information. Can you just help me with my life
and just send me how to do that? Thanks very much, Marori.
Party drama, There is more internal drama. Mikey Schuman over
at TV's that has done an interview with Maria Mano
Kappakini from the Mary Party. Now remember she's the MP

(01:18:53):
who was the whip and they've taken the roll away
from her. This is an exclusive interview. She sat down
with nobody else. Her son Eru Kapa King, who's the
guy who's been running the protest, has said that the
Maori Party is dictatorial and a toxic environment. So she
was asked that she agreed with that.

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
There is it's time for change, is what I see, Mikey,
I think, and change is good for us.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Now it's a bit of trouble for money. I'm in
or here because there have been reports floating around today
on social media that she actually overspent on her parliamentary
budget by about two hundred thousand dollars. Did you overspend
on your budget this year?

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
There was an adjustment that I had to make and
I did that with the full in line with budget
rules spoken and with the Speaker's directions and with the speaker.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
But then she refused to say what that money was
spent on.

Speaker 5 (01:19:48):
You know, this privacy issues here.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Her son Eru KAPPAKINGI and by the way, allegations about
what that money has been spent on have also been
floating around on social media. Today. Son Edu Kappakingi has
suggested the Maori party itself actually leaked his mother's their
own MP's budget details.

Speaker 5 (01:20:06):
From what I can see, there's no other way that
there would have been any attention to my budget or
anything about my spend, so I don't I don't know
where else that information could have come.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Friendly fire basically, And then of course John Palmerhead was
door stopped and asked about it.

Speaker 12 (01:20:26):
Look, the truth will come out in the full of
the time.

Speaker 24 (01:20:28):
Is that why she was simotion The truth will come
out the full of the time.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Yeah, we'll keep an eye on this because this is
getting This is getting quite interesting, isn't it. Six twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Do you remember when Sabrina Carpenter released her album cover
and the internet went wild because the picture on the
cover was her on her hands and knees with a
man holding her hair like he's being treated, treating her
like a dog. People call it tasteless, unfeminist. Everything under
the sun is how Sabrina responded to that, y'all need.

Speaker 21 (01:21:02):
To get out more.

Speaker 7 (01:21:03):
I think I was actually shocked because I think between
me and my friends and my family and the people
that I always share my music and my artwork. First
it just wasn't even a conversation.

Speaker 12 (01:21:15):
It was just like it's perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Now here's where it gets really interesting is she might
actually win a Grammy for this Because of a category change,
the Grammy's are reinstating an old category that hasn't been
around since nineteen seventy three, Best Album Cover. Best Album
Cover Grammy will return next year. She's the front runner
to get the nomination. Also rumored to get a Knob
is Perfumed, Genius, Deftones, Lincoln Park, and Lady Gaga's new
album Mayhem. The Hollywood Reporter has compiled a list of

(01:21:40):
albums that came out after the category was retired that
should have won the award. They reckoned Duran Durand's Rio
from eighty two to one, Pink Floyd's iconic Dark Side
of the Moon, and last year's Brat by Charlie XCX,
which turned into a cultural moment that everyone wanted to
identify with. And that interesting. Hey, Mells, you know it's

(01:22:01):
supposed to be controversial album covers, aren't they anyway? Mills
mully Allina is with us straight after the news news storks.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
By crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither
Dupi c Allen with the Business Hour and MAS for insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Investments and Kiwi Saber. You're in good hands news talks.

Speaker 8 (01:22:28):
That'd be thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
Weenka one has text me back on the AI, so
I'm going to get to that. Also, got to run
you through how we're going get the workers going, getting
the workers back into the office. Got some numbers for you.
It's twenty five away from seven now form all blacks
legend Mills mully Diana is now playing a different game,
which is business. He's just been hired by the Auckland
Business Chamber Board as the first PACIFICA director in there

(01:22:51):
one hundred and sixty nine year history. And he's with
us now.

Speaker 8 (01:22:54):
Hoy mels hey here that how are you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
I'm very well, thank you, congrats on the role.

Speaker 8 (01:22:59):
Oh thank you verymma.

Speaker 28 (01:23:00):
Yeah, it's come a bit of a surprise, but I've
known for a wee while, so it's yeah, look for
a set.

Speaker 8 (01:23:07):
It's just it is.

Speaker 28 (01:23:07):
It's a significant opportunity for me. I suppose to provide
a voice for the communities and especially the Pacific community,
and you know, on finance, insurance, and I suppose economic matters,
so I'm pretty toughed.

Speaker 21 (01:23:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
I mean it might surprise a few people to hear
that you've you've popped up in business, but you are
you a mortgage advisor in real life?

Speaker 8 (01:23:26):
Yeah, I am.

Speaker 28 (01:23:27):
I'm coming up eight years being a qualified financial advisor.
So you know, most people want to seen me on
the screens, probably thinking I'm just there has been an
X rugby player that's sort of bitching and maaning about
the about the orbeex But no, I've been in business.
I've got a small sum that i've that I started
in twenty nineteen, and we do mortgages, insurance essets in

(01:23:49):
our investments. I'm almost qualified in the investment space. It's
just taking me a bit longer to do this last paper.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Oh brilliant stuff. So what's your job here in terms
of the Pacific economy.

Speaker 28 (01:24:01):
I just think it's just that it's just, you know,
it's it's being that voice you know.

Speaker 8 (01:24:08):
What we what what treasuries sort.

Speaker 28 (01:24:09):
Of mention it's and it's it's it's awesome the fact
that you know the largest population population is in Auckland
and the drivest majority of the Pacific activities, you know,
where it's in business, social enterprise, employment, in an even
you know, in formal volunteering, the volunteering sector.

Speaker 8 (01:24:26):
So my my role really is to you know, be
that voice.

Speaker 16 (01:24:31):
You know.

Speaker 28 (01:24:31):
Josury mentioned the fact that the Pacific communities contribute eight
billion annually towards the economy, so that's pretty significant. And
being a voice on on and having a seat on
that chamber really just you know, working through that sort
of sort of stuff, and I suppose working through the challenges,
but also you know, it is a very challenging time,

(01:24:52):
but also you know, celebrating also the success that it.

Speaker 8 (01:24:55):
Brings with it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
Yeah, I get the feeling that the pacifica economy, you know,
maybe overlooked, like I suspect many people will not realize
how big it is and therefore it will not actually
have been developed as much as we could.

Speaker 5 (01:25:07):
No.

Speaker 28 (01:25:08):
I mean, and that's the thing that there's not a
lot has known about the Pacific business sector and more
work does need to be to be done, not only
just to celebrate it, but to bring awareness to it,
you know, but you know, a comprehensive you know, collective
sort of collect data on Pacific businesses and activities that

(01:25:28):
that needs to happen, and it hasn't.

Speaker 8 (01:25:30):
And I suppose it's finding out.

Speaker 28 (01:25:33):
More and more about that and sort of how we
can sort of grow that in sort of some of
the areas. I mean, we are resilient and that the
pacifica community is resilient, but they tend to also stay
within themselves and not sort of you know, HiPE up
the fact that they're doing really well.

Speaker 8 (01:25:46):
You know what's not widely known.

Speaker 28 (01:25:47):
Is there's a high proportion of business business that are
owned by Pacific women.

Speaker 8 (01:25:53):
And that's awesome.

Speaker 28 (01:25:54):
And even in sectors like you know, agriculture and also aquaculture,
you know, and that's that's something that's sort of unheard of,
but they don't celebrate it. They keep to themselves, you know,
small to medium enterprises with you know, wonder five sort
of staff and there's a lot of that going around. But
you know, eight billion a year that they contribute will

(01:26:16):
Pacific people contribute to to the economy is it's quite significant.

Speaker 8 (01:26:19):
It should be celebrated.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Now, tell me what do you reckon is the best
rate to lock in at the moment?

Speaker 8 (01:26:26):
Well, the ocr's out tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Yeah, twenty five or fifty.

Speaker 28 (01:26:31):
I'm hoping it's I'm hoping it's well, it's everyone we're
hoping it's fifty. But another drop will be fantastic. One
thing we've got to consider as the bank's already have moved,
and sometimes when they move early, it gives them the
reason to say, hey, well we've already moved. But there's
no doubt there is a little bit of consumer confidence
now with the rates coming down, hopefully in another porstion.
We've got to and you know, especially to the end

(01:26:53):
of the year when people tend to spend a lot,
you know, during that Christmas period. But I'm hoping for
a fifty, but I'll be more than happy for a
twenty five here.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Yeah, what are you locking in? What do you reckon?
One year?

Speaker 28 (01:27:07):
Well, mine's coming up, so I'll definitely be looking at
one year. I think it's four point four nine at
the moment, and hopefully another drop, but there won't thing
that happens till hopefully next week.

Speaker 8 (01:27:16):
But the one year is looking pretty good.

Speaker 28 (01:27:18):
Eighteen months as similar, and that's great. It's great for
you know, it gives people a little bit of hope,
but also, as I mentioned before, a little bit of
consumer confidence leading into the summer.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Break good stuff bills. Thanks very much man, and good
luck with the Auckland Business Chamber. That's Mills, Millas and
New pacifica director on the ABC. Isn't it nice? I
always love it when a rugby player turns out to
be not only awesome at running and passing a ball,
which is like a thing to be awesome at obviously,
but also has brains. That's just fantastic. I love that.

(01:27:51):
Nineteen away from seven Heather Doopers the l Heather. It's
one here from Progenic pro Jeannette Progenic. Oh lord, I've
totally stuffed it up in ni Juan Progenic dot co
dot and said, if you have chat gpt pro, then
what you want to do is press the icon to
the left of the microphone button. Then you will have
a live AI and I talk to Pete et cetera,

(01:28:11):
et cetera. Anyway, Look, I take that because this is
what this is what Jason powis from when New Zealand
does with his phone as he presses that button and
then chats to his chat TPT And you should have
seen me before, like a total boomer, Like I pressed
the button and I was like chat GPT, like I'm
talking to Siri. They chat GPT knows I'm talking to it.
I don't need to address it, but its full name. Anyway,
That's not what I'm meaning. And I totally take your

(01:28:32):
point that you can chat to it, but what it
needs to be somehow integrated in your life where you
don't have to open the phone, Like open the phone,
get the face ID, then go to the chat GPT app,
then press the button, then talk to it. Right, it
needs to be somewhere where you just tap tap on
your watch or tap tap on your on a lapalpen
or something like that, where you can talk to it anyway.
That's the thing that's going to I reckon, that's the

(01:28:54):
thing that makes it just take off in terms of
everyday use for people. Listen. As you will know, I'm
well obsessed with getting workers back into the office, and
there's new data from CBII that suggests we're not actually
doing too badly with this. And this is all relative, right,
because I reckon, five days in the office is what
you need to do. But I realize not everybody does.
So we'll take the wins where we can get them.

(01:29:14):
The national average for a full time workers time which
are spent in the office in New Zealand sits at
three point three days. Now that's better than it was
a couple of years ago at three point two days,
so we'll take that win. It's going up three point
three days. In Australia it's only two point eight days.
In the UK it's only two point nine days. So
we are doing okay when you compare ourselves to countries

(01:29:37):
we would commonly compare ourselves to, and by the way,
the employers in places like the UK and Australia do
have aspirations of where they want to get to, and
even their aspirations for you know, where they're aiming are
not as high as where we already are, which is
three point three christ Church, you'll pulling your weight three
point eight days on average spent in the office. Aucklanders
are in for average three point one days, and no surprise,

(01:29:59):
Wellingtonians are below average at three days. Office utilizations going up,
the percentage of which is the percentage of office space
which is occupied doing it during a typical work week.
That's sixty four percent that's gone up from sixty two
percent last year. And what is also important, and probably
more important than anything here, is that the ones now
making the decisions about whether you're in the office or

(01:30:21):
not are the bosses, the big bosses, not you, not
your team leader, and not you. So senior leadership and
HR are now making the call around hybrid work policies,
and fifty six percent of cases and individuals and individual
employees are only making the decision in about six percent
last year it was sixteen percent. So it could do better,

(01:30:42):
like we could do better, and it could look better,
but at least we're headed in the right direction and
the right people are making the calls now, aren't They
head off to the UK next sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Whether it's the macro MicroB or just playing economics, it's
all on the Business Hour with Heather Dupicllen and Yes
for insurance investments.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Hello, Ka, if you're in good heads, please talk spy either.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
I don't even touch my phone, I just say grok.
What's the weather tomorrow?

Speaker 9 (01:31:09):
Do you go?

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Fourteen away from seven? Indo Brady UK corresponding Hello, Inda.

Speaker 29 (01:31:14):
Hey, Heather, I can tell you it's raining here in
Istanbul today. If anyone's interested you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
In a stambul because you're working in a stambul.

Speaker 29 (01:31:22):
I am this week. Yeah, I'm filming my TV show
here and yeah it's it was beautiful yesterday twenty two
Celsius and sunny and I've just been there for a
little jog this morning here and it is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Lashing rain when you're there. Do you just drink all
of the apple tea?

Speaker 29 (01:31:37):
Oh my god, they can make tea of anything here
is absolutely stunning. The food, the spices. If anyone has
planning a big trip in twenty twenty six, put his
Stanbul on your list.

Speaker 8 (01:31:47):
It is stunning.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Good place to go. Now, listen, how big was that
phone smuggling gang?

Speaker 29 (01:31:52):
Yeah? This an extraordinary story in the papers this morning.
So back in London we know mobile phone theft has
been off the.

Speaker 8 (01:31:58):
Charts for about two years.

Speaker 29 (01:32:00):
Metropolitan Police have made a series of arrests. They haven't
put out the names of who's been arrested. There will
be trials in due course, but they're letting everyone know
that this one gang that they've now dismantled was responsible
for about forty percent forty percent of all mobile phone
theft and crime in the Capitol last year. In the
past twelve months, police estimate this gang had stolen, packaged,

(01:32:25):
and shipped forty thousand, mostly iPhones to China, a multi
million dollar industry. So the thieves on motorbikes around the
ballet lavas and these souped up scooters. They were getting
about six hundred dollars per device stolen. Police tracked down
two guys who they believed were the ring leaders of
the gangs. They put some surveillance on them and they

(01:32:47):
observed them buying two kilometers of tinfoil. So your phone
gets stolen, they're wrapped in tinfoil so it can't be traced,
and then they're packaging it up and then it's put
on a plane and it's off to China. So police
very very confident. Look, my concern is that this is
like a many headed Medusa. These two guys that have
been arrested, there will be more snakes will pop up.

(01:33:09):
But forty thousand devices they had shipped to China in
the past twelve months, it's quite.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
Something, isn't it now. Jilly Cooper has obviously died. Was
Camilla a friend of his.

Speaker 29 (01:33:18):
Huge friend, lifelong friend and a big fan, and they'd
been together recently at a very special Queen's Reading Room Festival.
It was called I think just huge shock, because well
she wasn't ill. We know she died in a fall,
but she'd had quite a resurgence in the last twelve
to eighteen months because one of her books was made
into a TV series called Rivals. And I have to say,

(01:33:41):
hand on heart, if I swear if I was in prison,
in solitary confinement and someone said there's a Jilly Cooper novel,
I probably wouldn't have picked it up. I'm just being
honest here. Rivals came on the TV and I read
a couple of the reviews and everyone's saying, you have
to watch this. It was glorious, it was fun, it
was brilliant. And I got to the stage when I

(01:34:02):
was running out of episodes to watch, I thought, am
I Am I the kind of man who's going to
end up buying a Jilly Cooper novel. I thought it
was brilliant, So.

Speaker 8 (01:34:09):
Good on her.

Speaker 29 (01:34:11):
I think she sold eleven million novels in the UK
in her lifetime.

Speaker 8 (01:34:15):
Great character.

Speaker 29 (01:34:16):
And I love the tribute from Camilla, which ended with
the words she said, may her hereafter be full of
impossibly handsome men and devoted dogs. What a nice line.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
That is a lovely line. Now, yeah, this is really
said about Lewis Moody, isn't it.

Speaker 29 (01:34:31):
Yeah, Morton, You're on a diagnosis yesterday, out of the blue,
and he's known about it for a couple of weeks.
He let everyone know yesterday. I mean England rugby legend
and from everyone I speak to in the rugby journalism world,
one of the good guys. Just what you see is
what you get. And the one picture that jumps out
from all the English newspapers today it was taking that
glorious trip two thousand and three when England won the

(01:34:54):
World Cup beating Australia in their own backyard. The England
boys had a day off. They were on the Gold
Coast and they went to an amusement park and there's
a picture of Lewis Moody going down a water slide
with one of the England boys holding on to him
and they just looked like well it was the time
of their lives. And just so many positive words of
encouragement to Lewis Moody today, But yet another rugby star

(01:35:17):
with malta and neuron disease.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
Unfortunately I end of Thanks so much man, We'll talk
to you again in a couple of days. It's into Brady,
our UK correspondent staying in the UK, Taylor Swift. The
sales of her album means that she is breaking her
own records at the moment. So it was released on Friday,
as you know. Since then she has sold just in
the UK three hundred and four thousand copies. Now, honestly,

(01:35:40):
I woe even is buying her album in the age
of Spotify, but these are the stats. Three hundred and
four thousand copies have been sold since Friday. This beats
the sales of her last studio albums. Her last two
of them twenty twenty four was The Tortured Poets Department
only two hundred and seventy thousand copies. Twenty twenty two's
mid Nights two hundred and four thousand copies. So she's

(01:36:01):
at three h four right now. What she wants to
do is beat what you want to look at as
the full week's sales, right the first week sales. She
needs to beat each ed Shearon He Is Divide is
the highest selling by the looks of things. Twenty seventeen
sold six hundred and seventy two thousand copies in three days.
She's halfway there. She's on track to have the biggest

(01:36:24):
selling album of the year overall. The current title holder
is Sabrina Carpenter. Sabrina Carpenter sold Shortened Sweet. This is
for this album. Her Shortened Sweet album has shifted four
hundred and forty four thousand copies since January in three days. Right,
four one hundred and forty four thousand copies since January
in three days. How much is Taylor's old three hundred

(01:36:46):
and four? I think she's taking that title this year.
Eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
By the way, how we talk to Akasha at five
Acacia being the bird who was outside Winston's house protesting
and then told everybody where he lives. And I mentioned
to you the fact that one New Zealand had cut
her contract. It's for the SAD.

Speaker 11 (01:37:12):
I can see the Southern Cross and just to the
west that's Alvi Centuri.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
That's a Casia just below Beta Centauri.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
I can see a new satellite later with.

Speaker 26 (01:37:20):
Our new one, new Zealand satellite network. You can now
text in the middle of nowhere, One New Zealand, Let's
get connected.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
Now I've only seen that ad, but from what I understand,
it's an entire campaign. So thought some prayers to One
New Zealand because that's annoying and look, normally, what a
waste of money. But normally I wouldn't be like, I
don't love, I don't love all of a sudden just abandoning.
But if I get it from One New Zealand' perspective, right,
if they if they hadn't taken action here, they would
have been seen to be potentially endorsing what a Casha

(01:37:50):
had been up to. So they were kind of this
is really Okaysia has Acasia has brought this upon herself. Unfortunately,
now the Nobel Committee is trying to hold of someone,
and someone is one of the guys who won this
year's prize for medicine, Fred Fred Ramsdell. He won it
with two other ladies for their discoveries related to the
functioning of the immune system, and they won it on Monday.

(01:38:13):
But Fred does not know this yet because they can't
get hold of Fred because he is apparently living his
best life at the moment, hiking off grid. So can
you imagine? I mean, obviously, how funny is that that
not even the nobel people could get hold of somebody
if they don't want to be got hold of. But
also when he finally turns his phone on, how awesome

(01:38:33):
is that going to be? Libby?

Speaker 26 (01:38:36):
Pretty awesome for him?

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
I think, so, yes, I don't get when I turn
my phone on, I don't get that kind of thing.
I just get like, have your landed that yet? Do
you want to be picked up? That's about the extent
of it. So anyway, good for him.

Speaker 24 (01:38:48):
Not a tax Ti've received.

Speaker 11 (01:38:50):
I'm taking us out on some Taddy Swims tonight, who
is in the country and playing his first concert in
christ Church this evening.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
I do know him? Do I know any other songs
or just this one?

Speaker 24 (01:39:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
Do you know any other songs Libby or just this one?
Not really? This one's a radio hit, though, isn't it? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
It is?

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
Are you going to his concert?

Speaker 26 (01:39:11):
I'm not going?

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Okay, so there you go, but you want to be.

Speaker 11 (01:39:14):
He'll be in crash hurt Auckland and then heads over
to Ozzie for a whole bunch of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
Don't worry about it because Libby is our as our
local cool person. And if Libby doesn't think it's cool
enough to go to You're You're okay, We'll see you tomorrow.
You talks it b.

Speaker 26 (01:39:29):
Ah boo.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
When you're not, he'll win me.

Speaker 8 (01:39:41):
I'm falling off, falling and fun.

Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
Can you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
You're talking on.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
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