Full Show Podcast: 08 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story gooring.
It's Heather Dupacy on drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected news talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Be Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,
Israel's cabinet has approved taking full control of GAZA. Will
get you the latest from the Middle East, OT on
why those boot camps are a success they say, and
Ruth Richardson on the Treasury report on what we're still spending.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Heather dupericy Ellen.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
So, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
What's worse the fact that willow Gen Prime is a lazy,
disint and disinterested waste of space and Labour's team, or
the fact that Labour's been busted almost lying about this.
So let me get you across what happened. You can
decide for yourself. In March, willow Gen Prime took over
the Labour Party education portfolio from jan Tinetti and her
National Party counterpart Erica Stanford, sent her a text to
SA congrats and also need to get you up to

(00:54):
speed with the NCEEA change process. Would be good if
we could meet first and I can run you through
where we're at the Policy Advisory Group of principals who
are working on the details. You can have access to
them as well as my officials and also ENDZQA. Willo
Jane does not bother to reply. Two months later, in May,
Erica's offer sends an email saying, basically, having heard from

(01:14):
Willow Jane, would like to ensure cross party engagement can continue.
Can we set up a meeting? Willow Gene doesn't bother
to reply. A month later, in mid June, Erica personally
writes again Willow Gene, Yeah, you know, doesn't bother to reply.
Next month July, Erica then goes up a level and
writes to Chippy. He doesn't reply either, but then the
next day Willowjene finally does reply, and she says she

(01:36):
declines your invitation. Fast forward now to the twenty fifth
of July, and suddenly Willow Gene writes to Erica wanting
to meet because she's read in the Herald that the
NCEEA changes are coming soon. Erica writes back basically says
to her mate, you missed a chance. We have already
made the decisions. Chippy meanwhile complains publicly that the government
aka Erica Stanford hasn't been consulting with him and Willow

(01:58):
Jene on the nceea changes. So tell me now, having
heard that, what do you think is worse that Willow
Jane can't be bothered doing her job properly, or that
Chippy has an amazing ability to lie with a smile.
Now here are the key learnings from this incident. Willow
jen is not a serious, hard working or clever person
and it is not ready to be a minister. Chris

(02:19):
Hipkins is not as honest as his lovely smiling face
would make you think. Labor is thin on the ground
for talent if Willow Gene Prime is number eight in
their party, and don't mess with Erica because she will
pull a beautiful hit job on you, which is exactly
what's happened here. But also labor are just rude and unprofessional.
It doesn't kill you to reply to a message.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Heaver Duplicy Allen.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Nineteen nineteen is the text number. Standard text fees apply
the police now. The police are inviting public feedback on
that proposed restructure of the force in Canterbury. Federated Farmers,
the Police Association, local Canterbury MPs and communities have all
spoken out against this. This is the restructure that would
involve reducing the number of police officers permanently stationed in

(03:04):
some rural communities. After a week of backlash, the cops
have finally made the restructured proposal public and have invited
people to submit feedback on it over the next ten days.
Superintendent Tony Hill is Police Canterbury District Commander. Hey, Tony, Hi,
how are you?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
I'm well?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Thank you? Are you guys prepared to change your mind
on this?

Speaker 5 (03:23):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (03:24):
We've said that right from the start. Is there's parts
of this that we've got wrong. We're open to that.
You know, we put a lot of work into this
and brought a lot of evidence to it, but we're
very open minded. If there's anything part of this that
won't work for our communities, then we'll change.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Okay, do you have if you if you leave things
the way they are, though, you are going to need
more police officers, aren't you.

Speaker 7 (03:45):
Well, it's not so much about that.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
It's the fact that this is that we've got parts
of our district where the demand is so low that
our current policing model doesn't such a purpose and we've
got populations that are growing and we need to we
need to provide a service to them better than what
we currently are doing.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, the places that are growing at Ungi Order and Rolliston,
and if you don't shut some places down and transfer
those cops over there, then aren't you going to need
more cops for Rangi Order and Rolliston.

Speaker 6 (04:09):
Now, I think this reflects actually what we're seeing is
in terms of a shift of the mark. If we
looked at some of these earli areas, what they're doing
is the majority of their work is now road policing,
which is different than perhaps what it was in the past.
And we want some of these roles to actually reflect
what our started doing.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Tony, you're not answering my question like you're open to
changing your mind. You're basically just selling me on your proposal,
aren't you.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
Oh, look, I apologize if I'll come across that way, but.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
No, can I try ask those questions again? Okay, let's
try asking the questions again. Let's assume that your proposal
doesn't happen and things stay the way they are. You
are going to need more police officers for Rangi Order
and Rolliston, aren't you.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Well, for a.

Speaker 6 (04:47):
Majority of these roles, we've already got the people in
those positions doing it now. So it might be a
case that we do have to have a shift around
in some parts of it. But what I'm really confident
are we have sufficient numbers across the entire district to
meet out of the mark if we use some of
the right places.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Okay, So if you can't get your proposal across the line,
are you simply going to leave the offices where they
are in the rural policing and they're just going to
help They're just going to have to drive all the
way to Roliston and that I'm your order or nearby
areas to help out.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
Well, some of the parts of the proposal may need
to be relooked at. Well, I think it's too early
to come to those conclusions.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Okay, I'm still getting the vibes you guys are not
going to change your mind on this. Like I'm prepared
to take a bet with you right now. You push
this through. What do you think, Well.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
I'll take you up on that bit, but I'd say
there's something in there that we go yeah, we've absolutely
got it wrong. Yeah, absolutely, we'll change.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
What are we beating, Tony.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
I'll buy you a coffee that sound Oh geezure.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Tight aren't you Okay, I'll take that now. The thing is,
can you can you realistically ignore what's going on with
the community, because you have literally everybody telling you that
this is a bad idea, including the police Association who
say that you're basically just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
Well, I think it was an exaggeration, and part of
the reason why we want to open it up for
community consultation feedback is that we're hearing a lot of
stuff coming from what I'd say is actually a small
number of communities. I want every community to have a
look at this and go, hey, this is our views
on it, because I think for a wife for a night,
variety of ammunities who aren't having a view on at

(06:14):
the moment, they might go absolutely understand this and this
is the right thing to do.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Why did you guys decide to release the proposal.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
Today for that reason is that at the moment we're
getting some feedback from some communities about what they aren't
dislike about it. I think actually it's important that we
hear from as many communities as possible to see what
they think of it.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Is it not because it was leaked this morning, because
it landed in my in box at seven thirty, the
internal proposal, and then you released yours at what one o'clock.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
Well, it wasn't aware that you've got it, and look there.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Are but you'll know it's out there. Eight you will
know it's been leaked out there.

Speaker 6 (06:48):
Yes, No, we're aware of these and these documents often
do from various places and the like. We're trying to
hide it, but it's an internal process and we're following
a normal process on that.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, Now, Tony, I know you guys feel you'll be
feeling the heat on this, but you realize that you're
feeling the heat. Is the reason you're feeling it is
because people value your service and don't want to lose it,
like they love what you guys do.

Speaker 6 (07:08):
Yes, and that was and that was evident from the
meeting we had in Cold and Now other night. In fact,
it was it was really beneficial for us to go there,
and it is evident that our services are valued. That's
the point where were trying to get across. Is that
where we continue and continue and tend to provide a
great service to our communities. We just want to do
that in a different way, all right.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Tony, thank you for your time. Appreciate it, mate, Tony
Hill Police, Canterbury District Commander. News is that almost a
fifth of the Reserve banks workforce could be cut. I
mean that sounds pretty alarming. I think if you just
hear it like that. Reason being that Adrian or didn't
get that massive budget boost that he wanted, that were
lost at least one person over that it was him
he marched out the door. But a fifth of the

(07:49):
workforce could be cut as well. That would be about
one hundred and forty two positions. Do not feel sorry
for the Reserve Bank please. At last count, the Reserve
Bank employed six hundred and sixty people. Back when Jacinto
first walked into government in twenty seventeen, they only employed
two hundred and fifty five. Two hundred and fifty five
became six hundred and sixty. I think you can see

(08:10):
that they're a scope for a few cuts.

Speaker 8 (08:12):
There.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
A quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
It's the Heather dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 2 (08:22):
Heather, how about inviting Willow Gene onto your program? She
might get back to you, well, do you know what,
actually we did invite her on Obviously, because would have
loved to have heard the explanation, did invite her on
and fortunately they did in fact reply to us and declined.
So maybe they've learned their lesson. Eighteen past four good Sport.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
With tab multis fast, easy and more codes SORR eighteen
bit responsibly.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Jason Pine Weekend Sport hosters with us at Piney. Hello, Heather, Okay,
so last week it was make or break for the Warriors?
Is it make or break for the Warriors again?

Speaker 9 (08:51):
I feel like it is. I think Look, if they
were to lose to the Bulldogs tomorrow night, the fact
is they would almost certainly fall out of the top four.
Panthers are playing the Nights tonight, they should win that,
and the Sharks are playing the Dragons tomorrow they should
win that. If those two things happen, they'll jump ahead
of the Warriors ahead of the Warriors game against the Bulldogs.

(09:12):
So they'd lose control of their own destiny, is what
I'm saying. At the moment, they're still in control of it.
They're in the four with five games to go, so
if they win all five, they're there. But if they
were to lose tomorrow night, they will probably lose control
of their destiny.

Speaker 10 (09:26):
So yeah, big game.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, And so how do you rate their chances given
the injuries and stuff like.

Speaker 9 (09:30):
That, It's really hard to know. Look, the last couple
of weeks at home have been have been pretty disappointing.
Those losses back to back to the Titans and then
in the last minute to the Dolphins last week. The
injuries do worry me. But I was told off by
our colleague Mike Hosking last Monday for worrying about the injuries,
and he said I should focus on who was actually there.
So that's what I'll do. The side they're putting out

(09:51):
tomorrow night isn't actually too bad. I've got a couple
of players back, they're still missing a couple as well.
Bulldogs are a good team either, they too know that
if they were to lose whose their top four hopes
are starting to become less certain. So we're not favorite,
put it that way. But we won matches this year
when we haven't been favorite, So let's see, Hey.

Speaker 11 (10:09):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
So apparently the last week I haven't really actually been
following what's going on with the black capsins and but
apparently the test was only three days right, and we're
expecting the test this time to also only be three days.

Speaker 10 (10:19):
Is that right, Well, it looks like it.

Speaker 9 (10:21):
Yeah, because after the first days and barbe all out
one twenty five New Zealand one seventy four for one.
So when it starts again tonight at eight o'clock our time,
I get the filling the old bat for most of
the day in New Zealand, probably get a lead of
at least two hundred and probably more chucksim Babwe and
at the end of the day maybe get a couple
of wickets and then on day three mop it up.
That's one likely scenario for me. It feels as though

(10:42):
Zimbabwe just have very little in the way of batting,
and even with a bunch of debutantes, New Zealand just
seem far too strong.

Speaker 10 (10:47):
So yeah, I think we could be headed for another
three days. Ses. It's a long winded way of saying that.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Hey Piney, thanks very much. Look forward to the weekend shows.
It's Chason Pine Weekend Sport host. Will be back midday
tomorrow and then on Sunday. Of course. Now Israel, this
is not unexpected. This has has been foreshadowed for a while.
Israel's security Cabinet has now approved the plan that benjaminette Yao,
who had for the full military occupation of Gaza City.
They've announced it officially in a statement. So we will

(11:12):
go to Israel after five o'clock and get you the
latest on that. Hither do you have to go to
Canterbury to collect your coffee?

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Michael?

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Do you know what I would not let Tony buy
me a coffee. I would have to buy Tony a
coffee because Tony, you will not remember this, but Tony
and I remember this. The last time Tony and I
spoke to each other, it was in the height of
COVID and we were discussing the ewee roadblocks. And look,
let's just say emotions were running high. It was a

(11:41):
contentious subject. And maybe I was pregnant and hormonal. I
don't know. Maybe I gave him a hard time. Maybe
I gave him too hard at time. Maybe it was
the right level of hardness that I gave him. Who knows,
But I feel like Tony is the one that deserves
a coffee regardless of what happens. So should I everfind
myself in the same city Tony, I shall be paying
for the coffee for twenty.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Two getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Heather duplicy
Ellen drive with One New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
That'd be Hey, if you've been following the Saudi Rebel League,
this is the Rugby Rebel League. You will have seen
that a few full leading spring Box have signed on
and apparently the coming after r D Savia and I
don't hate the idea of the thing. So we're going
to have a chat to the sports title when they're
with us. After half past five. It's twenty five past
four now, Willow gen Prime. So, as I told you,

(12:32):
Willow Jen's not going to come on this show. But
Willow Jean did answer some questions that the media posed
at her, and she does not sound sorry for ghosting
Erica's messages.

Speaker 12 (12:41):
So I prioritized my engagement with the sector to hear
from them what were the issues and what other possible
solutions to those issues. I have done extensive engagement with the.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Sector and it was totally worth it.

Speaker 12 (12:57):
So what I learned from engaging with the sector is
that it was very secretive and nobody knew what was
going on. That concerned me.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Funny because maybe it would have not been so secretive,
and maybe she could have found what was going on
if she had gone to the meetings that Erica invited
her to go to. But no, she ghosted her. But
that's not her fault because she needed more time.

Speaker 12 (13:20):
Oh look, I probably could have said, this is why
I need to take my time, and please assure me
that I can have the time that I need to
do this. But you know I was not given any
timeframes from the minister.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
No, no, listen, I know you know. Everybody, stop what
you're doing. The NCAA system needs an overhaul, and there's
a Minister of the Crown trying to work on it,
a whole bunch of principles. But if everybody could just
stop because Willow needs some more time, I beat you.
Chippy feels proud of Willow. Jane Prime.

Speaker 13 (13:51):
I became aware that she hadn't replied to Erica Stanford
in July and made it clear to her that she
did need to reply to her. I think would be
better if she gone back to her and said, lock,
I want to meet with stakeholder groups and then I
want to meet with you. I think that's actually not
an unreasonable thing for a new spokesperson to want to do.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
And I remember if you were listening to Mike Show
this morning, you would have heard David Seymour say that
if he was just in his Little Helper, which is
actually a very good name for Chris Hipkins, he would
have sacked Willow jan Prime wild Chip. He's not going
to have that.

Speaker 13 (14:18):
If David Siema was a member of the labor cooll
because I would have sacked him a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
So there ever do for see.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Ellen, I'm gonna have to tell you the story. I'll
tell you what. I've got a lot to tell you
actually in this show, so I'm just thinking about where
I can do this. But I'm going to have to
tell you the story about how I went home after
work last night, went home and then I had to
come back to work for another hour because I got
locked out. That's that's a test of amara J when

(14:45):
you like, oh, well, you locked me out of the
house for an hour and it's fine, don't worry about it.
I'll tell you that. Young By the way, though, can
I just say quick shout out to zed B? Do
you know how old zed B is? Tomorrow? Zed B
is turning older than you ninety nine years old. Now
I am being a bit tricky here because it's actually
one zed B and that was always ZB was it?

Speaker 1 (15:04):
One?

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Zedb's very first broadcast happened on Monday, the ninth of
August at seven pm. Was originally licensed for just three
hours once a week on a Monday night, and then
nineteen ninety seven it became ZB News is next.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Pulling the challenging questions to the people. At the heart
of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Ed badity and just me and a drug er Califi.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Heither So the only one who passed the ot boot
camp passed away. The others were still little fungus thugs
and continue in their criminal ways. Clap clap, clap, very slow.
Well yeah, not not strictly accurate, not at all accurate.
Eight of them passed, was eight, wasn't it? Yeah? Eight
of them passed, not just one. But I take your

(16:04):
point that it doesn't look I mean, and seven and
seven of them when they have reoffended. So you know,
like out of twelve ones dead, there's leaves eleven. Seven
of them are reoffended, it's not a great hit rate,
is it. But I am not negative on this at all,
and I will explain myself later on. Let's just talk.
Let's talk to OT first and just hear what they've
got to say, because I still retain some optimism. I

(16:26):
might be out of step with everybody, but I still
retain optimism. So bear with We're going to talk to
them after five o'clock. Also, what we're going to talk
about is your GP is probably using AI for your consults.
I don't know whether they actually declare this. I don't
know if they do declare it, and they probably should
not terribly fussed about it, but forty percent of gps
that were serve at by Otago University last year are

(16:46):
basically running AI while you're in there, and it just
transcribes what you're saying. It's not to record you and
be weird with it, but it is simply just so
that they don't have to sit there later and go.
Heather said then she had the flu, Like that's boring.
They don't need to do that. If AI can do
it for them, it so much better. Anyway, I imagine
that some people are still weird about AI, and probably
weird about being recorded, so we'll have a chat to

(17:07):
the lead researcher after five as well, and to see
what the rules are here and stuff. Twenty three away
from five.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
It's the world wires on us talks.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
It'd be drive this rail Security Cabinet has approved a
full occupation of Gaza City. The plan is to evacuate
all Palestinian civilians from Gaza into camps. BBC correspondent Hugo
Bishega is in Jerusalem.

Speaker 14 (17:27):
This is a move that is likely to further isolate
Israel internationally, but any kind of expansion of military activity
is likely to lead to the mass displacement of hundreds
of thousands of Palestinians.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Bb spoke to Fox News before the cabinet meeting.

Speaker 15 (17:44):
We want to liberate ourselves and liberate the people of
Gaza from the awful terror of Hamas. We don't want
to keep it. We want to have a security perimeter.
We don't want to govern it. We don't want to
be either as a governing body. We want to hand
it over to our of forces.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
And finally, when is mostly we've feared that Menschest English
police have dismantled a drug network operating inside a prison
with the help of a parrot. So the boss of
the network was running things from the inside and he
was busted with a bunch of mobile phones inside his cell.
Then what the police did is they raided the homes

(18:22):
of some of his associates, including his girlfriend, and she
had taught her pet parrots to say two for twenty five,
two for twenty five. Now, two for twenty five is
generally the going rate for crack cocaine, So not something
you really want your bird to say when the old
bill are knocking on the door.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Ray International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Jonathan Kearsley, US correspondent with US Now, hey, Jonathan, have.

Speaker 16 (18:47):
A good afternoon to you and all the beautiful folk
on the other side of the world in the future,
in the.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Future, love it, Jonathan, listen. How can Trump being justify
being happy to meet with potent if he hasn't met
with Zelenski.

Speaker 17 (19:00):
I think this is the.

Speaker 16 (19:00):
Issue that the White House was kind of trying to
navigate around earlier today. There was after this suggestion yesterday
that Trump and Putin would meet. Came a suggestion from
the White House earlier today, US time, that that actually
wouldn't happen until Putin had met Zelensky, like they were
starting to put conditions around this thing. And then you
heard President Trump asked in the Oval Office a few

(19:22):
hours ago whether or not that was actually a condition
he saw, and he said, no, it's not. So it
is interesting from that perspective that he is seemingly trying
to drive this meeting as he wants to meet Putin.
He wants to see him face to face. He seens Lenski.
They had that infamous showdown in the Oval Office a

(19:42):
year or so ago, now earlier this year and feels
like a year ago, but it was earlier this year,
and then obviously at the Pope's funeral a few months
back too. So look, he is placing a lot of
importance around wanting to see Vladimir Putin. I think in reality,
trying to pull off a meeting of such high stakes

(20:02):
that such short notice is going to be problematic. Is
it actually going to happen? I mean, this is Donald Trump,
he could potentially pull anything off. But I think the
next few hours are going to tell whether this meeting
is actually going to happen. Within days as the Kremlin suggested,
and as the White House suggested, it could happen as
early as next week. But I think in reality Donald

(20:22):
Trump would want the optics of him sitting in the
room with the two of them. He would want to
make it look like he is the peacemaker. Already, the
White House is trying to claim that he's broken some
seven seats fires in the seven months or so six
and a half months he has been in office. So
he is really trying to drive himself as a peacemaker,
probably in a push for a Nobel Peace Prize. And

(20:44):
that might sound slightly off the cuff, but it is
genuinely something he has spoken about repeatedly. He has his
eyes very much firmly set on being seen as a
peacemaker president and wanting a trophy if you like, to
be able to go with it. But you've got to
look at the reality of pulling off this meeting in
such a short amount of time as to whether it's feasible.

(21:06):
The UAE has been suggested as a possible location. They
had that famous summit back in his first term when
he went against the CIA advice that Russia had tried
to influence the election. And said that he'd spoken with
Putin in that room and Putin deny it. So he
believes Putin. So the optics of this meeting are going
to be extraordinary if they happen. But you would imagine

(21:28):
if you were in Donald Trump's seat, you would want
the optics of him sharing a table with Vladimir Putin
on one end and Voladimir's Lenski on the other. And
right now Russia and Ukraine are essentially saying they're too
far apart for that summer to happen. But Donald Trump
said earlier today that wouldn't matter. He's happy to meet Putin. Now,

(21:48):
he's happy to see him. But what is it he's
going to get out of it. He's going to need
an outcome, And the outcome he's going to want is
Vladimir Putin agreeing to stop the war in Ukraine. Is
willing to do that? Well, everything up until now has
suggested that's not the case.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (22:04):
Quite.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
How do you think Trump's going to react to this
news out of Israel?

Speaker 16 (22:09):
Yeah, this is going to be a fascinating one for
him to address in the early hours. We yet to
see it him to respond to it. On truth social
It's now twenty twenty to one in the morning in Washington, DC.
We know Donald Trump stays up very late in the evening,
but were yet to see a response to him on that.
But we know that he is very close to Benuminetnyaho,
that he has had him at the White House on

(22:31):
multiple occasions, and he has said that he wants an
end to this conflict, this idea of Israel taking complete
control of Gaza and Gaza City. I mean wind the
clock back to when he effectively stood alongside benumin Netinnahu
and said he wanted us control of Gaza back in
probably February of this year, and said that essentially he

(22:53):
wanted to turn it into the Riviera of the Middle East.
The words that will go down in history were accompanied
by this sort of gushing ai video that he shared
on social media of what Gaza could look like turned
into some sort of resort city. Well, look at the
images that are coming out of there now and need
such a stark contrast. You've forgot thousands of people dared

(23:16):
according to the Palestinian Health Ministry, the Garza Health Ministry,
which yes he's run by Hamas. You've got claims of
starvation we're seeing the images coming out of Gaza of
the humanitarians suffering in place and claims that the food
cannot get in. What you're going to see, I think
from Donald Trump in the next twenty four hours is
going to be critical as to where he now sits

(23:37):
on this conflict. Is he firmly in Benuminetnyahu's pocket in
agreeing that this is a good idea in Israeli control
of Gaza City, or is he going to try and
find another alternative, Because again, as a peacemaker, he is
wanting to find a path to piece. He's wanting to
find an end of this conflict. But it is Benjamin

(23:58):
Netanyahu who is on the ground in the region driving
his situation forward, and as you said, in the last
few hours, he's been able to convince his cabinet that
a complete control of Gaza City is acceptable for the
Israeli government to take. Now, this is going to spark
a lot of anger in the region if it does
take place, because what you're going to see is a
call up of thousands of Israeli reservists, thousands upon thousands

(24:23):
of them, and the IDF, which are very very good
at sending out media video and images of what they
want the world to see. Is going to put out
the optics and again we're talking about optics here of
Israeli troops going into control Gaza City. This is exactly
the sort of scenario the Benjaminette na who wants. He

(24:44):
wasn't going to get it under Joe Biden or indeed
Kamala Harris if Kamala Harris was elected, because he would
not have had that support. But seemingly, seemingly in the
first six and a half months or so of Donald
Trump's presidency, he knows that he has the support of
the American President.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Jonathan, very good to talk to you, and thanks for
all of that insight. Jonathan Kearsley, US correspondent. As I said,
we're going to go to Israel very shortly after five
o'clock and get a take there about what is happening hither.
I reckon if we had three out of ten passing
the boot camps, then it is a great result, of course,
because remember we're dealing with the scum of the earth here,
so we're thirty percent turn around as fantastic. That's from Jake.

(25:24):
I agree with Jake. That's actually my position. In fact,
I would go as far as saying, if we even
just had one, just one of these, these are the
worst offenders in the country.

Speaker 10 (25:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
These are not like kids who are just sort of,
you know, a bit of faffing around with the bit
of shoplifting and stuff. I mean, this is the stuff
that they're getting up to, is with weapons and whatnot. Right,
So if you even turn all out around one of
their lives, then it's money well spent because that is
a child's life that is saved, and that is also
crime that has stopped. Anyway, we'll talk to ot after
five quarter.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
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Speaker 2 (25:57):
I'm gonna I've almost forgotten, but I haven't quite forgotten.
I need exta why I had to come back to
work last night for a full hour. But right now,
twelve away from five Jason Wall's News Talk zb's political
edits to Jason Good Evening, Heather, So is Willow Jean
dumb or lazy or what is going on here?

Speaker 18 (26:12):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (26:13):
You know, honestly, a lot of people look at this
and probably say one of the above to a lot
of things that she has done on this because it's
just it does seem inexcusable. I mean you just read
this text from Chris or this comment from Chrishipkins that
he told the Herald last month. As Minister of Education,
I went to great length to make sure that the
then opposition was extensively involved in the review of ncee A.

(26:36):
I think the current government should do the same as
what Hepkins said. Then you have Willow Gene that's not
she's leaving the Minister of Education on red So was
she did front up about this today it's Labour's caucus
retreat down in christ Church and so this is what
she said when she was asked, why did you ignore
the texts?

Speaker 12 (26:53):
So I prioritized my engagement with the sector to hear
from them what were the issues and what other possible
solutions to those issues.

Speaker 11 (27:03):
Now, to me, that doesn't pass the sniff test at all,
because you can still at least reply to the minister
see something along the vein of I'm going to talk
to the sector first, then I'll get back to you.
Nothing not a sausage from Willow Gene prime and then
not a sausage from Labor leader Chris Hopkins.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
Any regrets.

Speaker 12 (27:19):
Oh look, I probably could have said, this is why
I need to take my time, and please assure me
that I can have the time that I need to
do this. But I was not given any time frames
from the minister that we have only this amount of
time to engage because I'm going to announce and there's
only six weeks subsequent to that.

Speaker 11 (27:40):
So it's the minister's fault for not laying out the timeframe.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Apparently did she get in trouble with dear Leader.

Speaker 13 (27:45):
I think this has been a very closed process that
Erica Stanford has operated, and I think that now we
need to make sure that it's opened up, that people
have meaningful and genuine consultation.

Speaker 11 (27:57):
Nope, it is still Erica's fault, but there was some
way of a concession from Chris Sipkins.

Speaker 13 (28:01):
Willow gen Prime indicated that she wanted to meet with,
you know, the stakeholder groups before meeting with the minister.
I don't think that's unreasonable. I did indicate to her,
though I think it would have been better if she'd
gone back to the minister and told her that that
was what she was doing.

Speaker 11 (28:13):
And there it is a front page and a whole
news cycle. Leader water Pole Arbor.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Now I hope. Barrys Soper won't mind me breaching his
confidence here, but he likes to watch the news and
then wings about willow Jen Prime. She of all of
the labor politicians, makes him go, oh, how dumb are you?

Speaker 19 (28:30):
Like?

Speaker 2 (28:30):
He's been calling dumbness for a long time on her,
so yeah, oh no, he picked it ages ago and
I sort of just ignore it. But I mean it's
been proven that he is in fact correct here, in
which case, why is she number eight?

Speaker 17 (28:43):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Barry vindicated?

Speaker 11 (28:45):
A guess, But it's well, I mean you could talk
about the talent pool within LEBA, but I think that
you know, you've got somebody Carmela Belichium's looking at my
list of LEBA and p's at the moment, who's actually
somebody that's genuinely good? I quite raped at Anna Williams
as well.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
You've got to remember is she number eight?

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Well?

Speaker 11 (29:00):
One of the you we can speculate till the cows
come home. You could say that we're quite away away
from an election and we might get somebody that's a
little bit more education focused coming into the role a
little bit sooner come the campaign time. Maybe that's the case,
but I think that this one has given labor supporters
a bit of pause for thought at least.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Okay, I don't have a long time, so tell me
what happened with Winston and the Highers.

Speaker 11 (29:23):
Okay, I had a whole audio package worked out, but
I'll just go through the the the the long and
the short of it. Paul Winston, well, not Paul Winston.
There was poor officials that were trying to get Winston
Peters to wear a high viz vest and it didn't
go well for the poor man trying to get Winston
to wear the high vis.

Speaker 20 (29:40):
Really that safety, we're risk at all, but just you'd
like say, so that's well, it's just for protection.

Speaker 11 (29:50):
It goes back and forth, back and forth. They're trying
to get Winston to wear the high vis.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
He's not wearing it. He says that he's been a
battler for taxpayers.

Speaker 11 (29:57):
The guy says, this isn't going to cost the taxpayer
any more money. And then some other poor soul comes
along and says, Winston, you've got to wear the high viz.
You're in a construction area or close enough to it.
You just wasn't having it. It's quintessential Winston. And I
think I've covered Winston for a long time. This wis
be the last time that I talk about Winston on
air probably, and I'm so glad. It's something just so
quintessentially silly in Winston, and I just like, I love

(30:20):
this story.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yes, it's just very very hasn't ruined the line of
the pinstripe. Hey, listen, thanks very much, Jason. We'll wrap
the political week that was with you after six o'clock
Jason Wall's news doalg zb's political letator seven away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Putting the top questions to the newspakers the mic asking.

Speaker 21 (30:35):
Breakfast, we increase yet again of kids leaving school with
literally no qualification, sixteen percent had nothing deserved. Seamos, Associate
Education Ministry.

Speaker 8 (30:41):
I think the education systems become less appealing because you
don't have the knowledgeable adult standing at the front telling
you stuff that feels like if you miss out, you're
missing out on something valuable. And that's because of the
erosion of the curriculum. But I think it's also true,
while absolutely critical to run the government education system, well,
we need alternatives.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
Surprised you to know my version.

Speaker 7 (31:01):
Of that is charter school.

Speaker 8 (31:02):
If you set up a school with flexible fund ands,
same money, and so you guys need to do something different.
Then I think you can start to fix out of
these problem.

Speaker 21 (31:09):
Back Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Rain Drover newstalg ZB.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Here the Winston is right rare the high vers. What's
the point? Well, he did ask that actually, and I
don't know if he liked the answer, but the point
was basically, if something happened in the tunnel, they could
find him. It's basically so you don't get left behind
and die in there by yourself in the city rail.
And it's a bit early in the in the in
the tunnel's tenure for us to be losing people in

(31:36):
there anyway.

Speaker 22 (31:36):
So what hap the Winston was going to be the
first one into Pike River when they opened it up.
So he's probably not afraid of a tunnel line.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
No, Well he never went in, so maybe he is
afraid right anyway, So what happened last night? What happened
last night was finished work here, headed out the secret
Bye to the German. German was still working out by German,
Sorry that you're still working here at work. I'm off home,
got home. Try to open the front door dead locked.
So you know, with the dead lock, you got the
key for the door, but it's deadl locked. You cannot
open it. There's a bar, there's a bolt. I was like,

(32:04):
it's okay, we're round the back. Try to open it
not dead locked as well. So to be fair, I
did locked it at the back, but I remember doing
that before I went to work. But then the husband
must have dead locked the front so then I called him.
I called him up, but then I could see he
was in there with the baby and he wasn't answering
my phone call. But it's okay because he's got an
Apple Watch, so he would have felt it. No, I
don't understand he didn't feel any of the phone calls

(32:25):
coming through. So I texted him and I was like, dude,
I need to write my column. I'm gonna have to
go back to work. Can you please answer?

Speaker 16 (32:29):
Ring?

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring Ring. I got
in the car, turned the car and I thought, no,
this is not really happening to me, is it ring ring? Nope?
Still not drove drove to work. I thought, no, surely
if I call him now, I'm going to be able
to go back.

Speaker 20 (32:41):
No.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Ring ring. I was locked out for an hour. I
was locked out for fully half hour before he realized
did lock me out? Then he was like, quite, didn't
years your key? I was like, do you know how
it diad bolt works?

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Mat?

Speaker 23 (32:50):
No?

Speaker 2 (32:51):
So anyway, I had to come back to work for
an hour and then I went home. So that that
was that was fun. I was at work till late
o'clock last night. How about how about you? Anyway? It's
God Israel neick news talks that'd be run ony.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust for
the full picture? Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New
Zealand Let's Get Connected news talks.

Speaker 15 (33:28):
At b.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Afternoon. The Israeli security Cabinet has approved plans to control Gaza.
Prime Ministerbinia MANETNYA, who says Israel will take control of
Gaza City or providing humanitarian aid to civilians outside of
combat zones now. Hugo Matta is an Israeli journalist and
executive director of plus nine seven to two magazine. Hug
Ey Hello, Hello, So is he wanting to control all

(33:51):
of Gaza or just Gaza City?

Speaker 20 (33:54):
So right now controls over eighty five percent of Gaza
and forbid students from going into it. This is the
entirety of Gaza Strip right now. The discussion is about
expanding that control into additional territories right now focusing on
Gaza City, But that doesn't mean relinquishing control over the rest,

(34:15):
which basically pushing Palestinians into smaller and smaller areas of land,
mostly previously uninhabited areas of land that are very difficult
to sustain life on all.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Right, and putting them in camps. Is that right?

Speaker 20 (34:29):
So there was a plan about setting up essentially a
concentration camp that has been discussed in recent weeks. In
this specific decision of last night, there was no mention
of that. So basically they're saying, we'll give you Mantarian aid,
but they're not referencing what was called the humanitarian city
or the facto concentration camp. They're not referencing that in.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
The what's the end goal and what is the way
that he gets himself out of Gaza again, Well.

Speaker 20 (35:00):
It is very unclear. A Daniello keeps on stating that
the end goals of the war have not changed in
nearly two years. It's defeating Hamas, it's bringing back the hostages.
And just what we've been seeing consistently throughout these two
years is always the promise of you know, this is it,
this is what we're going to get. We saw that

(35:21):
when God the City was first occupied in November of
twenty three, and since then it was we're a step
away from victory. We just need to take over Rapha,
we just need to take over the Philadelphi corridor between
Gaza and Egypt. We just need to go into this
additional operation just last May to clear out Hamas militants.

(35:42):
So every time it's this promise of this is the
thing that will bring us victory.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
I mean, this is going to take a lot of
soldiers in the idea of to go in and occupy
a place this big, so and potentially for a while,
and I going into a territory where there are still
Hamas fighters, So potentially as soldiers get hurt by Hamas,
won't this become unpopular?

Speaker 20 (36:02):
Well, it's really important to remember that the war is
already extremely unpopular. Consistently in public opinion polls, we're seeing
between seventy and eighty percent of Israelis are saying that
they don't want the war to continue that they want
a deal between Israel and Hamas to release the hostages
and the war. That's the position of the majority of
the general and has been for quite some time now,

(36:24):
since around January of February. So Nataio is basically battling
against the public opinion of his own people. Unfortunately, that
has not yet translated into political power pushing back against
the government, not in the streets, not in the in
parliament in kesset Hago.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Thanks very much for your time, Haga Mattat Israeli journalists
and executive director of plus ninety even two magazine.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Heather Dupers the al that problem.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
The boot Camp pilot has officially ended. Eight out of
the twelve participants finished the program. Or Agatamriki has called
the program a success, but admits seven of them seven
of the participants did reoffend to a threshold that required
them to return to the residents for a time. Ian
Chapman is the deputy Chief Executive of Youth Justice Services
at ot n Hi. He how are you, I'm well,
thank you. So why do we think it's a success.

Speaker 7 (37:15):
So in the context of these particular young men's lives,
So it's an individual thing where we're looking at the
life cycle, what was leading up to the residential stay
in the MSA in the first place, we're talking about
ten of the most prolific young offenders in the country
were involved in this program and often had multiple residential

(37:37):
stays throughout the early teams up and to the point
of the MSA. Following that, what we've seen as a
reduction in severity of offending. We've seen an increased length
of time out in the community, and in a couple
of occasions, we've seen kids completely turn their lives around.
So on an individual basis, yeah, there's absolutely some successes.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Okay, so you think there are two kids who have changed,
they're not going to do this stuff anymore one percent?

Speaker 16 (37:59):
Ye.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
I mean, I can never predict into the future. But
what we're seeing now one young man has effectively shunned
his friend group that that negative influence has turned to sports.
Sport has been a common factor in a couple of kids' lives.
We are seeing him wanting to all have his tattoos removed,
which is quite a remarkable thing for a kid that age.
It's sort of a real signal that he's wanting to

(38:21):
turn his life around and remove that stigma. Yes, so
the reality is that we probably still have a long
way to go, but we are seeing really good science.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
And what about the other one?

Speaker 7 (38:34):
So the other kids, look, there are no no.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
No, sorry you said that there were two successful kids.
So one one's taken up sport, wants to get his
tats off. What about the other one?

Speaker 7 (38:43):
Yeah, the other one likewise sports, So he's just been
selected for a regional team and has chosen sport. Again,
that's no main feat for any kid. So you know,
sporting is a bit of a common threat. It's certainly
something that we're going to lean on for any future iteration.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Are you going to I mean the important thing here
for these guys because they get draw so easily. Kids
get drawn so easily back into the as you say,
the friendship group and the famili's misbehavior and stuff. Do
you guys continue to be in their lives?

Speaker 7 (39:08):
Yeah, one hundred percent, where as these kids are aging
out so that you know, our legal jurisdiction over them,
if you like, expires as they transition into adulthood. But
we don't leave it there. We've got a variety of
people both within our organization, our NGOs, our partner agencies
who have got a vested interest in this, and we
want to make sure that they can. They are set

(39:29):
up to succeed. They'll still have social workers, they'll still
have contact with the with their mentors. But then also
it's the wider family groups. So we've got a bunch
of parents who sat across these kids who are now
joined up, engaging with us and each other as a
parental group. They're taking parental guy you know, horses and
all that solonggoing along with the wider family. This is

(39:50):
the other key thing, right, So if you're taking a
purely preventative angle, you've got kids who are siblings that
are in big families, and it's the younger siblings looking
up at these old through in the NSA, and we're
looking to the end of the future to say, actually,
there's different paths that we can take. So yeah, there's
a much broader picture than just these kids in this program.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Ian tell me this, not as a public servant working
to this government, but as a human. Do you think
we should keep running these programs?

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (40:17):
Look to completely honest hither, I absolutely do. I'm a parent,
I've got a a you know, seventeen year old son.
What we're offering these kids in residents. You know, thankfully
my son isn't in the same circumstance, but if he was,
i'd really actually, I would hope that as a country

(40:38):
we can come together and recognize that there is a
this is the last stop shop for these kids before
they spend a life in corrections. You know, this really
is at that point again for them to even get
into residents in the first place. They really are at
that final stage before they pushed through into the corrections.
You know, that's a life in jail, in and out
of jail. We want to cut that. So yeah, absolutely,

(40:58):
we want to make sure that as a country, as
New Zealand link that we're actually really pulling up the
stops when it comes to the interventions for these kids. So,
you know, the trauma that they've been through. The reality
is is that this is stuff that you or I
and most of the public when never even found them.
So yeah, I absolutely do think that there's a case
for this in the future.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
And thanks very much for your answer. I appreciate it.
Ian Chapman, Deputy Chief Executive of Youth Justice Services at OT.
Now we're going to go and talk about the chat
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Speaker 3 (42:46):
Heather Duplicyl heither a ten.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Percent rate on the ot boot camps is better than zero.
I totally agree, you know, I am totally of the
opinion if all of that money only turns around one life,
it was worth it because it is a life, and
that is an important thing. There are our kids as well,
even if they're aughty kids. Coming up twenty past five. Now,
gps are taking to AI for their consultations like ducks
to water. A survey of almost two hundred gps by

(43:09):
Otago University has found that forty percent of them were
recording their consultations and getting AI to write everything down
for them. Professor Angela Balentine was the lead researcher who
did this survey and surveying with us. Now, hey, Angela, Hi,
thanks for having me. It's really smart that they're doing this.
You could see the time saving in it. But are
there any fish shocks, like do they need to tell
you that they're doing this?

Speaker 23 (43:31):
Yeah, so that does look like this time saving. There's
a couple of fishhooks. One is that there are still
errors in the clinical notes. So we found that GPS
said that maybe there were hallucinations so content that hadn't
really been said, or the notes had missed really critical findings,
so they still need to be read really carefully by
the clinician. And in terms of consent, yes, we found

(43:51):
that fifty nine percent of gpsn't we're asking patients for consent,
but that means a significant minority isn't, and we really
like to see that chain. We think patients should know
and they should get to have a say.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Well, because only if only to stop you saying dumb things, right,
because like you might go in like I quite like
having a laugh with the GP sometimes.

Speaker 23 (44:10):
In absolutely no, no, you should still do that one
hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
You should still do that a bomb joke, you know
what I mean, And it's just bad job great, but
I don't want.

Speaker 23 (44:17):
That, I know, but I think that would be that
would be really so sad. One of the really nice
things actually in the study is that one of the
gps said, it made my job fun again. And I
work with a lot of GPS, and I know how
you know, overburdened they are, so please tell the jokes.
That also makes the GP's job fun again. So yeah, So,

(44:38):
I mean in terms of it recording it, it will
record it, create the transcript. That transcript will typically be deleted,
say in seven days. So in terms of what ends
up in your clinical notes, hopefully the AI will just
ignore that and or the doctor will delete anything that's
not necessary.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Angela, do you think people are still weird about AI
because they don't necessarily understand that they might just freak
out and say, no, you can't.

Speaker 23 (45:00):
I don't think they're weird about AI. I think it's
good to be skeptical about AI. I don't like the
narrative of like, oh, my gosh, AI is going to
solve all of our problems in the health system. I mean,
there's just there's been that narrative around, like oh, we've
got dishwashers and now we've got GPS. On our phone
and in our phone like predicts, so we don't even
have to think about how we're going to teck someone back.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
And actually the result.

Speaker 23 (45:20):
Of all of that is that we're all more exhausted
and more tired and disconnected, you know, than we were
fifty years ago. So you know, we don't want to
be like simplistic about it's going to solve all the problems,
and we don't want to be simplistic about the something
evil and dodgy about it either. Yeah, we just want
to keep collecting the data and really understanding how it's
influencing clinical practice.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
I like your approach. Thanks very much, Angela, Professor Professor
Angela Valentine, Department of Primary Healthcare at Otaga University in Wellington.
She's a good bird, Ay five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicity, Ellen
drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and youth dogs.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
They'd be sports title is with us shortly five twenty five.
Two things happened in Rugby this week that I I reckon.
That basically means ENZI has to rethink its policy of
not selecting overseas bass players. First one is Richie Muong's
contract signing, which is incredibly for an incredibly short period
of eighteen months. And the second is the waller Be's
dropping the guitar rule now on Richie, I want Richie back,

(46:16):
and it is incredibly clear that Razer wants Ritchie back,
which matters a whole lot more so badly does he
want Richie back that he's doing everything he can to
get Richie back in the number ten jersey for the Abs,
and that includes signing Richie for about half the contract
link that you normally would sign a player for. Now,
between that and the sabbaticals, that ends it. Our hands
out to all and sundry, I reckon, we're getting so

(46:37):
close to selecting overseas bass players. Practically, we are towing
that line so hard, we are bending those rules so
much that you have to wonder how long this charade
can actually last before we just go I can find
let's just select them overseas. And then there's the ghetto
rule in Australia. Australia's ditched it so it now selects
overseas bass players. South Africa selects overseas bass players, Argentina

(47:01):
selects overseas bass players. The Islands select overseas blas players.
We're the last rugby nation in the Southern hemisphere not
doing this. Now, we could ignore the others. We could
ignore the increasing strength of the South African and the
Argentine Argentinian squads relative to our squad, because those overseas
bass players are really improving their squads. But we cannot
ignore what Australia's dis done because what they've done is

(47:21):
they've watered down our super rugby competition. I mean, that's
why we're still enforcing the rule to protect our domestic game.
But what's the point in harming the All Blacks, which
is what we're doing in order to protect domestic rugby
If the Aussies just threw our domestic rugby to the
Wolves and it does harm the All Blacks this policy
because if we didn't have this policy, we would have
had Richie this year, and we would have had Richie

(47:43):
last year and we would most likely have won a
hell of a lot more games and Rayses first season
do for Selan hither why didn't you rap on the window?
Oh ye, this is apropos me having been locked out
of the house last night, I did think about it.
I sort of rattled the front door a little bit.
Trouble is if if he's in there with the baby
trying to put the baby to sleep, and then you go,

(48:05):
I need to get in. I mean, that kind of
defeats the purpose. Can you imagine how angry he's gonna
be when it comes out. I'm just it's just not
gonna be worth it. So I thought about it, and
I thought about knocking on the door, and then I
was just like, oh, just just suck it up. Works
not that far away. So I just sucked it up.
I'm too wonderful, That's what I thought. Afterwards.

Speaker 19 (48:22):
I was just.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Basking my own glow. I was like, what a reasonable
and well tempered person to be locked out of the
house for half an hour and just be like, Hey,
that's cool, man, don't worry about it. Thanks for the
beer when I came home, which is what it didn't
make it a lot better than I had a beer
here the What does z BE stand for nothing? I
asked the boss. Who's a nerd? He's a radio nerd
stands for nothing? ZED just means that back in the

(48:45):
old days, it was government owned. But the reason we're
talking about it is because zed B ninety nine. Tomorrow,
how good is that? Headline's next?

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Just give what after making the news? The news talk
to Heather first, it's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand. Let's get connected, and news Talk said, be
swell to God over.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Okay, you are going to have to stay tuned. You
really have to to hear this yarn about the council
worker who didn't turn up to work for half the
time he was employed, but then apparently the council wasn't
allowed to fire him. It's just completely outrageous. Ruth Richardson
is going to be with us after six o'clock. She's
not stoked about the way that Nichola Willis is spending money.
I've also got to run you through what fricking Chris
Hopkins has said about he thinks the treasure is just spinning.

(49:37):
And text of the day Heather stick to housework, Richie
mong I won't help the all blacks, but the current
policy will. Thanks Morris. Twenty four away from six.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
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Speaker 3 (50:00):
Can't the doctors go?

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Are you serious?

Speaker 8 (50:09):
Tweet Tea points to wait too the full time start.

Speaker 7 (50:12):
You know, we had some discussions about the length of contact.

Speaker 21 (50:15):
That was probably the main thing, but ultimately, you know,
Richie's decided to go through the end of the World Cup,
which we're really pleased by.

Speaker 24 (50:22):
Well, I won't think people ignore this very impressive performance
by Hawk's Bay, who had absolutely taken mccuntis Monaco steal
us to the cleaners.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I'm the sports huddled with us this evening. We have
Nathan lim newstalk Z'B sport reporter and Matt Brown Oceania
Football Confederation media manager. High lads.

Speaker 17 (50:42):
Hello, Heather, Hi, Heather, Hi Napan, Hey Brownie.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
How are you very well?

Speaker 20 (50:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Long time? No Yeah, what have you been up to.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Nathan or me? I've just been just been busy, busy, confidential, Yeah, real.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Sad, taking them mickey out of you. Hey, Nathan, listen,
we're gonna have to do this, aren't we. Aren't we
just going to have to simply go the way of
every other Southern Hemisphere rugby nation and start picking the
overseas based players.

Speaker 17 (51:09):
No, why, because how many Richiemonger games have you watched
this this year?

Speaker 19 (51:13):
Heather?

Speaker 4 (51:14):
None?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Because he plays for Japan.

Speaker 17 (51:15):
How many Jordy Barrett games have you seen?

Speaker 2 (51:17):
None?

Speaker 17 (51:18):
Right? So if we open the borders and we let
all our top players just go overseas, we're not going
to see them.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
Because you need.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Follow up question. How many Super Rugby games did I watch?

Speaker 17 (51:27):
How many Super Rugby? Okay? Well, I don't care, right, Okay,
wasn't your editorial on this though, yih?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
But my editorial is I think protecting Super Rugby, which
is a crap product, is a dumb idea because it's
already a crap product.

Speaker 17 (51:38):
I don't think it's a crap product. You How you
can't say that if you didn't watch any of the games.
How are you in a position to say it's a
crap product if you didn't watch the game?

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Make it's a good point that you I watched.

Speaker 17 (51:47):
The games and I thought it was a really good
product this year, Heather. You know you could make the
point that, Okay, Australia lets all their players go overseas
and they're they're in Super Rugby, but Australia Rugby in
Australia is about the fifth or sixth top sport. In
New Zealand, rugby is the national sport we live and
breathe it. Obviously that's changing in recent times. But if
we just let all our players go overseas, all our

(52:08):
best players, we're not going to see them. So this
national conversation that we have every time when it comes
to who's going to be in the All Black squad
and everyone's predicting their squads, it becomes it's part of
you know, the national psyche. Everyone has their own squads,
everyone debates about it. No one is going to have
any idea who gets into the All Blacks every year
because no one is going to be able to keep
track of all of our players. It is so hard

(52:29):
to just watch the Japanese league, and if they're playing
all in loads of different leagues around the world, we're
not going to see them. Super rugby products going to
be devalued. Less people are going to watch it. There's
going to be less money. So I don't see any upside.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Okay, do you, Matt, No?

Speaker 5 (52:44):
I do to agree with Nathan, to be honest on
this one. I think. Look, one of the things one
of the arguments against letting the players go is that
will devalue the product back here and you know, super rugby.
If you think of sports global sports around around the world.
You know football, sure, with footballers the English Press League
is where they need to be the top players in
the world and we all watched that. But with rugby,

(53:04):
you know Super rugby in New Zealand rugby has when
a product that people around the world tune in too.
And if we let our best players just go winning
it because the reality is if you picked them from overseas,
more of our very best players will play overseas because
they're in demand. The product here will be the valued. Further,
you'll I don't think crowds are that great, but they are.
They would certainly become a lot less in Super Rugby

(53:25):
than what they have been. And this season we did
see a fantastic Super Rugby competition, but evenue for New
Zealand rugby will drop considerably because the product won't be
enough money.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
What's more important to you Super Rugby or the All Blacks?

Speaker 5 (53:39):
Well, personally, I think, like most key Wes, want to
see the All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Do well to them.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
What happened this year and last year is that we
did not have Richiem Wonger the best number ten because
of this rule. So what we decided is we wanted
to protect the super Rugby didn't even protect it, wanted
to protect it, and we lost him and potentially there
will be more of that with these guys. Go guys,
I want to make the dollars and they head off
over season. We can't pick the best all blacks.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Yeah, but also if you look at the other way around,
I mean, there are players that stayed in New Zealand
and rugby a lot longer than perhaps what they would
have done. I mean you've got and you've got players
like a boat in Barratt for example, going overseas the
sabbatical clause. It's not perfect, but it has worked. You
have some very good players. I mean Artie Severe is
doing it. And now I have some very good players
who have done it come back and have still maybe

(54:22):
all blacks and have gone and have still been good
all black. So I think, yeah, otherwise we're going to
We're gonna have a very young all black team if
we If we let everyone go and don't change change
the rules, you cay can eat it. But I'm more
in favor of the current rules.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Still on the subject of Ardi, is he going to
sign with the Saudias?

Speaker 11 (54:40):
Durkin.

Speaker 17 (54:41):
Is he going to sign with the Soundas and the
Rugby I have no idea. There's still this is still
all up in the air in terms of this new
sort of global competition, whether it's going to work really
because you know, there's a lot of logistics in terms
of having a rugby competition where you've got all of
your teams and and moving them all from place to

(55:01):
place around the world. I don't really understand how they're
going to make any money from it. If one, I
guess so, but if one's totally different.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Like wouldn't you do it like the sevens?

Speaker 17 (55:13):
Like the sevens? You mean the sevens that has just
been massively downgraded because there's no money in it and
they don't know what to speak they do that it's
not working as a product, so like you can't compare
it to that. Otherwise we're just we're going to go
down a rabbit hole here. But look, I have no idea.
Art is obviously going to go Overseas next year on
his sabbatical. But I think until there's some actual legs

(55:35):
and some actual announcements to the story, we kind of
just have to take it with the grains.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
If they did manage to pull it off? Would you
watch it? I've got to be honest, I'm if I'm
fizzling for it.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
I hope it works.

Speaker 16 (55:45):
Well.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
I don't watch live golf, and I watched one round
of live golf, since you know, some of the best
players in the world joined live golf, so I would
say no.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
So is this an ideological thing from you? You're like,
I don't want to watch it, Diy Saudi money.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
No, No, it's not it it's it's it's not ideological.
It's I'm quite a traditionalist. I'm a bit of a purist.
I'll watch international rugby test rugby, you know, I like
watching rugby in our time zones here in New Zealand,
I don't watch, even though they are you know, Champions
Cup and things like that in Europe by and large.

(56:19):
So it's not it's it's it's look, am I scared
of something new? Maybe there's there that and me as well,
but but look, the reality is there's just not enough
detail yet and we'd have to see what the detail
is before I canither.

Speaker 17 (56:33):
You're just playing Devil's advocate here, because you just said
you didn't watch any of the ones for around the
world and you don't watch Super Rugby, but you're going
to get up in the middle of the night time Saudi,
so no one's going to watch it.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Got a record? Have you not got Sky recording? And
then you can watch it.

Speaker 17 (56:47):
I don't have Sky. I'm twenty four years old, Tor
of CALLD.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
That'd I'm consistent in this, Okay. The reason I don't
watch the Super Rugby is because I'm so frustrated by
the rules. The reason I'm into the Saudi product is
because I'm hoping that they break free of World Rugby
and and tweak the rules to be a better product.

Speaker 17 (57:05):
Well, then all of the players who go and play
for them would be going to a different effectively a
different sport when you go to go to play test, right, we.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Will be better rugby, wouldn't it.

Speaker 16 (57:16):
Better?

Speaker 17 (57:17):
What are the rules you're changing here?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Do you want to go down this? Okay? First of all,
First of all, I want to just get rid of
the scrum all together, impact.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
Playing rugby, better rugby, that's what it's called.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Because I don't I hate the scrum and it's not
a visual spectacle. Right, then, i'd want to change the rules.
So you're an attacking game, not a defensive game. Right,
then i'd want to limit what the TMO is doing
defens I just do you want to watch sevens when
I want to watch an r L don't I?

Speaker 17 (57:49):
Okay, so you want to watch an entirely different sport.
And what are we talking about here here?

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Nathan? You carry on like this your band from the sports,
have a break, we'll come back.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Shortly caught it to.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
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Speaker 2 (58:07):
Right, you're back with the Sports title. We've got Matt
Brown and Nathan Lim Matt, Actually, can I just ask
you something? How do you stop the people throwing the
dildos on the court?

Speaker 5 (58:17):
You know, you probably don't make a big fuss of it.
If you make a big fuss of it and you
start banning it, that just encourages people to try and
get around the rules, right, And yeah, I don't know,
I don't know how you actually stop it, but I
mean bag search bag searches. I suppose they're away, but

(58:37):
you know you just wear a big jacket, don't you,
and you stuff it in that, So yeah, I would
imagine that gets around it pat them down.

Speaker 17 (58:45):
We've never worked out how to stop streakers, have we?
So like idiots are always going to be idiots. And
like you said, Brownie, about you know, you tell someone
not to do something and make a big deal out
of it, and it just almost puts the idea. I
remember sitting in the kitchen at seven or eight years
old and my mum just turns to me and goes, Nathan,
never stick a knife in the toaster. And I remember

(59:06):
thinking that was random. The thought had never crossed my mind,
but now that she said not to do it, that
was the only thing I could think about.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Did you do it?

Speaker 17 (59:13):
I did? Luckily it was turned off at the wall,
so we were Okay.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Honestly you are your mum. Wow, she no wonder she
said to you not to do it, but she's a
trouper the kid that does it. Holy Leanna. Okay, well,
I've learned to parenting lesson there now. Nathan, you've been
working on this stuff that's going on with the netball
and the change of rules and stuff like that. There
are rumors flying that now we've changed the rules for Grace,
a whole bunch of players want to head over to

(59:38):
the Aussies.

Speaker 9 (59:39):
Is this true?

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Yes, which players.

Speaker 17 (59:42):
So senior Silver Ferns will have the option to But
Netble New Zealand have been deliberately vague around the criteria
that you need to meet in order to be able
to receive an eligibility exemption and play a netball overseas.
I've seen a bit of noise from the players about, oh,
it's frustrating because we don't know what the criteria. But
I like the fact that they have made it vague

(01:00:02):
and it is a collaborative decision between the player, the
Silver Ferns coach, Dame Night and Totoer and Netball New Zealand.
Because if they put out a list of rules and
say you have to play this many tests, you have
to do this, this, and this, players will just try
and hit those markers and immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
It's objective, isn't it act we think and we think
you're rubbish, and they'll make the decision based on that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:00:21):
Well it allows them more control over keeping some players
here and the majority of the good players here and
making a few exceptions for those really outstanding circumstances like
Grace Wikiet.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yeah, and this Matt is a mirror of what I
was talking about with the All Blacks, right, we are
going to devalue our local competition, but the netball that
the Silver Ferns may actually come out of this better.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Yeah, potentially. I think it is slightly different in the
sense that I think, you know, the best netball competition
in the world club competition is the Australian one. It's
of a better standard than ours overall, and so our
best players playing in there are going to get better.
And if you've got silver Ferns playing in there and
they are eligible to still play for the Silver Ferns,
then the Silks the national team may actually be stronger

(01:01:02):
for it. So and I think with netbor it's a
little different. I mean, you pack those little stadiums three
four thousand people, the atmosphere is great, you can still
there's still a good standard of players. I just think
from a netball perspective, it was kind of necessary because
you want Grace Wiki playing and you want other top
silver Ferns. But you are going to have a few
more of our best, and I say a few. I
don't think it's going to be the floodgates can to

(01:01:22):
open something. You all twenty first choice silver Ferns are
going to play across the Tasman But but yeah, it's
almost a little bit of a compromise. But I don't
mind it.

Speaker 17 (01:01:32):
Again, it's a nice halfway point, yeah between because because
the other thing is, if you're comparing it to the
rugby argument. Super Rugby's competition that has a good structure,
a good base of money behind it. You can guarantee
the players a job next year, whereas the netballers, on
the other hand, have had this whole thing if we
don't know if there's going to be a competition for
the majority of this year. We now have a broadcast deal.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
But Nathan lem Mark, my words, we're going the same
way and Super Rugby and it's just a matter of
time before we're having the same discussion as netball. All right, Wow,
I mean the.

Speaker 17 (01:02:00):
Experience, you know what you're talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Yeah, pretending anyway, Hey, Matt, good luck with the Magpies
top of the table, ain't.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
Indeed they should be for another week at least. Tiger
away this weekend under beautiful weather conditions, no.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Problems label after how many games are you.

Speaker 10 (01:02:17):
One?

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
Yeah, you'll get me on again in a few weeks,
I'm sure and I'm sure we'll still be top.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Take the wins when you can get them. Hey, lads,
thank you very much. I really appreciate it from both
of you. That's Matt Brown, Oceania Football Confederation media manager
and Nathan the Newstalk ZBI sportsporter, who will be back.
Don't worry, he's not been banned all eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my Heart Radio powered by Newstalk zb.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Heather, it's nice to see a sports sky challenge you
get more on than those that always agree with They
don't agree with me at all. Nathan's a good sort
the way he knows the stuff, Heather. Regarding the Newell Brasier,
every store has one or two on display, but they're
not for sale even though they are not replenishing. Go figure.
This is a good point. Maybe we'll get intact because
I've got a parcel of ideas for New World Actually,

(01:03:03):
as you would have heard earlier in the week when
I was raving about this or add that to the parcel,
sell the ones on display. Guys here the Mike this
morning said he's voting for you to be the head honcho.
For the TV program traitor. I did see that, and
I looked at the pole just a minute ago, and
I am still in second place. Mike is in first place.
So I'm very happy to hand this over to Mike
because you do realize what's going on here is it's

(01:03:24):
an ironic vote. That's good that people are supporting Mike
because they're like that Mike costkings Hey's got it TV,
so that they're supporting him, and they are right because
you have seen him on lots of TV shows. But
also why they're voting for me is because I said
earlier this week that I don't think we should give
money to traitors. So it's kind of like a haha,
let's see how you handle this one then, girl. And

(01:03:44):
that's why. So anyway, I wouldn't take the job if
I was offered it because I stand by my principles.
Although how much anyway, five away from six now, my
mind is completely blown by this story. You got to
hear this. This is in the papers today. The er has
forced a council to a worker who only turned up
half the time that he was employed, and they have
said the era that he was sacked without justification. So

(01:04:06):
this is the young It's rud thru a Lake's Council
and they employed a chap called Richard Lyons as a
recreation planner in August twenty twenty three. He was going
to work forty hours a week eight to five monty
a Friday. First ten weeks in the job, he's not
there for nine days. That's basically two weeks. So ten
weeks in the job he doesn't turn up for two weeks.
He stopped completely, stopped turning up for work in November.

(01:04:27):
On November sixth, he's hired in August gone by November,
his manager emails him and texts him regularly to find
out what's going on. He doesn't reply November twenty one.
The manager then says to him on email, come to
a meeting in two days time. We've got to talk
about what's going on here. He does not attend the meeting. Instead,
he emails the manager a medical certificate for an absence
of eleven days. But he's been missing for thirty days.

(01:04:48):
This is only for eleven days. So the manager goes
back to him six times and says, yo, what's going on.
He just keeps every time. The manager says, this is
only for eleven days. He just sends him the same
medical certificate. Manager then sends a letter proposing another meeting.
Doesn't turn up. The manager then sends this is now
at December one, another letter calling for a meeting on
December five, warning we might fire you. He attends that meeting,

(01:05:11):
and now he comes up with a medical certificate for
thirty days, but it's not signed. After the meeting, the
manager then sends him a letter summarizing the council's expectations,
outlining a plan to work. He then sends another medical
certificate saying he's not starting work until nine January. He
doesn't turn up for work on nine January or the
next five days, but emails saying he's going to get
another medical certificate. He doesn't. His manager then sends several

(01:05:34):
text messages over the next few days. On January the seventeenth,
remember he was employed in August. On January the seventeenth,
the manager sends him an email requesting a meeting on
January twenty one. He says he would come, he doesn't come,
sends an email saying he will be attending at won't
be attending, but he'll be there at work. The next
day Council hold the meeting anyway, they fire him. They
tell him this. He then launches a PG takes it

(01:05:56):
to the RA and the Era. The Employment Relations Authority
says he should never have been sacked because it was
disproportionate in the circumstances and gives them seven and a
half thousand dollars for lost wages. The world is mental.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Ruth richardson next, keeping track of where the money is flowing.
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Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
US talks that be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Evening coming up in the next hour. Here's the stats
that you Japan recorded a million more deaths than births
last year. Peter Lewis on that we're going to wrap
the political week that was, and Gavin Gray will do
the UK for US. It's coming up eight past six.
Finance Minister Nichola Willis is defending her spending habits after
Treasury pointed out that five years on from the beginning
of the pandemic, spending is still close to its pandemic
era peak. Nikola Willis told Ryan Bridge on early edition

(01:06:49):
this morning that her government will not repeat you into
Ardun's mistakes.

Speaker 16 (01:06:52):
Cross OURSS two budgets.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
We have already delivered forty four billion dollars worth of savings.
Now it is correct that we've to love those savings
back into the system, into education. Governments still just as big, right, No,
it is not just as big. And Ruth Richardson is
the former Finance minister and current chair of the Taxpayers
Union with us evening Ruth good enning, you don't agree

(01:07:16):
with Nicole to do you?

Speaker 20 (01:07:18):
No?

Speaker 25 (01:07:18):
I do not, And she needs to face up to
what Treasury is telling her. This report is one of
home truths and hard decisions. Treasury is saying to her
from the rooftop, shouting firefire. A fiscal position is not sustainable.
We face greater pressure on the fiscal position than we
have in the last twenty years. Higher starting debt levels,

(01:07:39):
less favorable interest rates and growth trends, long term fiscal
pressures such as population aging and climate change, and demands
on government service provision and public investment. Now they what
a line is? They say, Successive governments must deliver operating surpluses,
maintain borrowing capacity, prioritize high value capital projects, and lift

(01:08:03):
economic growth to rebuild our fascal sustainability we're doing none
of those things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
What would you do if you were in her position?

Speaker 25 (01:08:12):
Well, I think it's pretty clear she's got to do
three things. First of all, she has to take stock
of the public expenditure. Freight train. She says she's saved
all that about the mate, she just cloud it back
in that's spending by any other name. I think that
Nicola needs to do in Erica. Erica gets top marks.

(01:08:33):
She shine what it takes to get your hands around
a problem and deal with it at a fundamental level.
I think Nicola should follow suit. So instead of worrying
about the price of butter, she should be worrying about
debt and deficits. Start running some surpluses and look at
the way in which she can immediately pay down debt

(01:08:53):
and deal then to the environment in which we're going
to get some decent growth, which we don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
I agree with every thing that you have said, Ruth,
But what I want to know is why doesn't Nicholas
a smart woman? Why doesn't she do it? Is she
out of depth in finance or is she simply making
some calculated choices to get re elected.

Speaker 25 (01:09:12):
Well, the Treasury is very clear about what the choices
are that you have to make. And when you're the
Minister of Finance, you've got to be the hard man
and you've got to take the decisions. You should be
the one that's saying to the cabinet, right, we need
to take stock here. You know, it's the economy stupid.
They are drowning electorally. So what they're doing now tiptoeing

(01:09:33):
around the problems not working electorally, So they might as
well start dealing with the problem at the economic level.
And at the economic level, the choices are very clear. Indeed,
we're spending too much, Our death is too high, our
growth is too low, and when we face all the
headwinds that we do internationally, we are not in good

(01:09:53):
shape as a country to be. We're vulnerable and we
have to take stock as I say that Nichola should
do in Erica.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yep, I agree with you. Okay, what do you make
though of the argument that you have to be countercyclical? Right,
so if we're in recession as we are, then the
government has to spend.

Speaker 25 (01:10:12):
But no, I don't agree with that. They go through
this argument of what's pro cyclical and countercyclical. We had
two episodes I was part of one. The economy had
been in recession. I knew that what we needed to
do to get growth was dramatically control public spending, free
up the economy, and within short order we had that
grow most dramatic reduction of debt and growth in jobs

(01:10:36):
and in the economy. On the contrary, Robertson and Crewe,
they decided they'd be procyclical and they would spend splurge,
an explosion of public money at the very time when
the economy didn't want it. And what have we got
as a legacy, low growth, high debt and a hangover.
Now that's all history. We've got to deal with the

(01:10:57):
situation we face now, the worst fiscal position for twenty years.
That has to be dealt with now. Now people will
say it's the economy stupid. I would, but then Nikola
would say, well, it's the electoral system stupid. But as
I read it, the leaders of the ACT Party, the
leaders of New Zealand first the Deputy Finance Minister Chris Bishop,

(01:11:18):
they are all singing from the same song Shee, which
is Hey Crystal A Luxx and Nicola Willis. We've got
to get our hands around this show the country we
mean to face up to the problem and deal with it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Ruth, thank you very much for your expertise. Appreciate it.
That's Ruth Richardson, former finance minister, currently of the Taxpayers Union.
Everything that she just said is right. And let me
tell you something. You might have listened to that and thought, well,
that's about harsh and Nikola. Nicholas, my girl, are like Nichola.
That's cool. You might think that now, but you and
Nichola might be banking on you thinking that now. But

(01:11:50):
fast forward five years when we look back at the situation,
if they don't start getting their books in order, you're
going to be looking back at Nicola and going, wow,
wasn't she exactly like Grant Robertson? And how do we
regard Aunt Robertson right now? Not very well? Speaking of which,
Chippy has has been asked about the Treasury report because
the Treasury report is damning. I mean, it is not
good for Nicholer, but will it's damning for Grant Robertson

(01:12:11):
because they warned him, said hey, can you stop spending
so much? Can you stop spending so much? And then
they were like by twenty two, they were like you
have to stop spending so much. Chippy says, Nah, it's
not a problem.

Speaker 13 (01:12:22):
If you listen to the Treasury spin, then you're going
to get one view. If you speak to other economists
you'll get a different view.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Yeah, so it's Treasury spin, is it. Well, let's listen
to Chippy spin.

Speaker 13 (01:12:32):
Our view very much was that our job was to
support New Zealanders through the global pandemic, making sure that
we saved lives and kept people's jobs, and we were
very successful in doing that. One of the lowest death
rates in the world, one of the lowest rates of
unemployment in the world, and one of the fastest rates
of economic growth in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
And one of the longest recessions in the world. So
thanks for that. Fourteen past six, It's the Heather to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
See allan Drive full show podcast on my Heart Radio
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Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
By the way, we were talking about Winston Peter's not
wanting to wear his high versit vest on the CRL.
There's another beautiful moment that happened in the CRL in Auckland,
in the City Rail Lincoln, Auckland was everybody was with
their hard hats and their high visits and then Desley
stepped on. Disley, the deputy mayor of Auckland, had a
bespoke pink hard hat made for her, because of course

(01:13:28):
she did seventeen pass six Jason Wall's news dog ZB
political editor wrapping the political week, that was welcome back, Jason.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Oh, thank you very much had her.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
So do you believe I don't know if you didn't
believe me before, but do you agree with me now
that Erica Stanford is the MVP?

Speaker 20 (01:13:42):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
I never disagree with you.

Speaker 11 (01:13:44):
I thought that she's always been somebody that's right at
the tippy top of Chris Luxen's caucus and indeed the
government as well. I mean, what she did well, and
I've had some conversations behind the scenes with some people
from the ninth floor today because I said that she
does retail politics so well. She understands the nerdy cabinet
side of that. I shouldn't say nerdy, but the sort
of the more bulky behind the scenes thing. But she

(01:14:06):
does things like you know, the mobile phone in school band.
You know, she was the spearhead of that one. Essentially.
At the time, you got people saying, well, this already
happens in schools what's the point. But she knew that
this would play very well retailed.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
No, I think you're underselling her man. What you're doing.
What it sounds like is she knows how to play
the game. So it looks like she's doing stuff. She
is doing stuff that is necessary that parents can see
is necessary, and she has the courage to do it.
That is refreshing. It's not retail politics, it's actually transformational politics.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
Agreed.

Speaker 11 (01:14:38):
And I was actually just about to get there because
I was talking about the fact that she has other
meaty portfolios such as immigration, she made things happen with
abuse and state care as well. So she gets the
retail side, but she also gets how to get things done,
and I think that's a really good combination.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
And I think also what's crucial here is that she's
done her As opposed to Willow Gene, she spent opposition
doing her homework, reading, learning, and she knew exactly what
she wanted to do.

Speaker 8 (01:15:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
If she was in Willow Jeane's position, she would have
taken that meeting a oh.

Speaker 11 (01:15:06):
No doubt, and she would have used that as a
way to say national is working constructively with and has
some sort of way to reflect that back.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
And I'll tell you what. When I was in the Herald.

Speaker 11 (01:15:15):
And Eric Stanford was in Opposition, she was one of
the people that was consistently blowing up my phone about
things because she knows opposition politics as well and always
getting in front of the getting a headline and really
being in the news. Willow Jane obviously is in the news,
but for very much the wrong reason.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Yeah, do you reckon Willow Jean's going to get sacked
from number eight?

Speaker 11 (01:15:34):
Not now, but I don't think in the future it's
going to hold up very well. I think that when
there is the next reshuffle, I think she probably will
be one to be worried.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Do you reckon the government's an emergency mode over the tariffs.

Speaker 11 (01:15:45):
I would say this and other things kind of put
them in there. I mean, the unemployment number. It came
in better than expected, and that was the point that
Nikola Willis was making, but it's still at five point
two percent. We still have an econ that is really
really just sort of slugging along. And this kind of
adds to that as well. And this is a government

(01:16:05):
And Chris Hipkins makes the good point that they said
that they were the ones that were going to fix
the joint and that's a quote from Chris lux and
himself there, and at the moment that's not happening. So
I think in a collaboration with all those other economic issues,
I think absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:16:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
So I think the economy thing is the biggest thing,
right because we are now eight months into this year,
and we all thought we just needed to make it
to the start of this year and things would be fine.
And it's starting to become a government problem, isn't it.
Are they do they have any plans to actually do
anything or they're just going to grind this one out.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
Well, I think they're probably just going to have to
grind it out.

Speaker 11 (01:16:36):
They're in between a rock and a hard place because
if they start really announcing some big meati economic policies,
it really takes away.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
From what happened.

Speaker 11 (01:16:44):
What they want to announce an election year, and that's
when they want the momentum. So what we're seeing is
a lot of benign, useless things like Nikola Willis saying
that she's going to talk with the CEO of fon terror,
She's going to have another meeting about the supermarkets. You know,
a lot of things don't actually mean any thing. Yeah,
but it's trying to be a nod to the to
the voters to say, hey, we're working things out, please

(01:17:04):
just give us eighteen months.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
So the road user charge. Does you think this is
playing well with people?

Speaker 11 (01:17:10):
I do, actually, I mean anything that reduces taxes and
I do know that you know it's going to be
cost neutral, but things that we get every single day,
like petrol, is one of those goods that people can
quantifiably see the impact on their bank account. And yes
you will when it comes to the road user charges
as well. But people, it makes sense. I mean, I
heard you talking to somebody the other day who is

(01:17:30):
who texted in about this just how heavy a Tesla is,
you know, compared to some of the other cars, And
it does make sense. And I think that people are
going to understand that the proof is going to be
in how well this is actually rolled out. I've been
here long enough, Heather to know that when the government
wants to do things, it's never an easy This is
what we plan to do, so this is going to
be the outcome that it is. There's always issues along

(01:17:51):
the way, so I'm interested to see how this one
is actually going.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
To go well this is your last day. Yeah, so
have you got yourself some drinks lined up before you
high tailent to Auckland.

Speaker 11 (01:17:59):
I have technically, Heather, I am no longer an ends
enemy employee as we talk right now, I'm no longer
the political editor.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
I'm just some talking hard to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
A random called Jason. This could be back right now.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
It could be, it could be.

Speaker 11 (01:18:11):
This is very problematic if I could get into defamatory territory.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
But I promise I won't. I'm a good boy. But yes, no,
we're We had our big knees off last.

Speaker 11 (01:18:18):
Week when the politicians were all here and we had
some speeches. But we're going off to the bar after this,
the point of order bar down here in parliament. That is,
the acronym is p o p oo, so we always
we always find that quite funny, Pooh the pooh bar
in parliament.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
Yes, you catched me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Then you have a big person job, but you still
have a small person sense of humor.

Speaker 11 (01:18:36):
I will never grant of it, Heather. It has been
a pleasure. I have loved working with you all these years.
You've been a mentor and a friend, and I can't
wait to come to your big house.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
In Auckland and drink all your liquor.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
It's going to be fantastic. Jason, thank you so much
for turning up all the time and doing the crosses
for us. Really appreciate it. Jason Wool's news Talk, zb's
former political editor, now just a regular civilian six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you
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Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
News talks, that'd be hither our real debt. The first
thing would be to pull out of the Paris agreements,
saving billions. Trev Trev, Yes, correct, that would save us.
What was it at last count? Was it about twenty
eight billion, thirty thirty two billion or something like that,
So split the difference, let's say thirty billion. What you
might find alarming is that we haven't even started to
factor that in yet. That's not even in the budget yet.

(01:19:31):
So that's coming at us. We can't afford that when
there's no way so anyway, it's not really it's not
a real expense because we're never going to pay it,
so we will, we will have to scrap it. Hither,
you never asked Ruth where she would make the cuts. Well,
I tried to ask Ruth where she would make the cuts,
and she didn't quite answer the question. But to be fair,
she was on a on a tear, wasn't she? And
I wasn't going to stop her. I mean, where would

(01:19:52):
you look at? Here's the thing, the state that the
books are att and the government's books is so dire.
The deficitsits that we are running, the structural deficits are
so entrenched. You cannot dick around with little cuts here
and there, a nonsense like that, where it's quite significant
things you have to do. I would start by cutting ministries. Well,
first of all, I cut the grocery commissioner, because that's pointless.

(01:20:12):
Then I'd start cutting ministries. I'd cut every woky ministry
like you know in the identity politics ministries, Women's Ministry,
gom Burger, Pacific, People's gom Burger, Marty. Develop anything gone,
gone gone, if it hasn't got an actual role other
than writing reports, like if the point of it is
to educate children, you get to stay. Do operations, you
get to stay, do the police, you get to stay.

(01:20:33):
Write some reports by ministry for environment, by doc you
can stat Do you know what I mean? If the
point is simply to write reports and come up with ideas,
I'd be cutting it. I'd be doing the Argentina on
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Speaker 11 (01:21:04):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
The numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
It's Heather du for Ce Ellen with the Business Hour
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Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
I love you. Everybody's a fill. I can tell you anything.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Oh the secret.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Maybe I was telling you yesterday about the book. I've
been kind of keeping you abreast of this book about
Prince Andrew. Well, there's another revelation out of the book
about Prince Andrew, which is that he lost his virginity
at the age of eleven, which is uncomfortably young, isn't it?
And according to the book, once he got started that

(01:22:39):
was it, A like by thirteen he was already Yeah,
he knew what he was up to. Anyway, once again,
I will just say we never really know if these
things are true or not about the royals, but it
does really cause more troubles for Andrew when he really
doesn't need them, does it anyway? Gavin Grays with us
in ten minutes out of the UK. We're not talking
about this obviously, is everything you need to know about

(01:23:01):
that now? Twenty four away from seven together. Peter Lewis
Asia Business correspondent with us. Hey, Peter, Hello, Heather, Right,
what's India heck to say?

Speaker 19 (01:23:10):
Then, well, they're not happy as you can imagine. Donald
Trump described them as being a dead economy. He BUCkies
in them along with Russia. He said, both dead economies
can go down together. As far as his concerns, it's
rather upended the relationship, first of all, because it's not
at least not true. I mean, if you look at

(01:23:30):
India's economic growth rates, it's one of the fastest in
the world. It's back to twenty twenty three. A couple
of years ago, it was growing over ninety percent right now.
Last year it grew about six and a half percent,
probably going to do the same again this year. So
it is one of the most sort of vitalized economies

(01:23:51):
in the world and as the Central Bank governor pointed
out India contributes about eighteen percent of global both compared
to just eleven percent for the US, so it's doing
very very well at the moment, and in fact that
this time. We've seen these growth spurts in India before

(01:24:12):
and they sometimes haven't really lasted, but this one is
definitely lasting because it is being accompanied by some quite
major reforms that are going on in the country to
try and open up various sectors for more foreign competition,
by trying to do things that are helping ease the
burden on Indian families, make it easier for Indian children

(01:24:35):
to get educated and to go into college. So there's
been some very major reforms, but none of that is
enough for Donald Trump, apparently. And this is a real
turnaround from where we were just a couple of weeks ago,
where Trump was describing Mody as a true friend and
Mody thought in turn he had a strong ally in

(01:24:57):
Donald Trump. And what this is doing is it's turning
the Indian Although all the political parties in India against Trump,
they are really uniting and condemning what they see is
economic bullying by the US government and also the people
of India. Also are very much united against this as well.

(01:25:17):
They simply do not want to face this sort of
economic coersion. So we're seeing really some of the long
term consequences of the way in which Trump throws tariffs around.
He uses them not just betrayed purposes, but he uses
them to bully countries for economic coercion against countries for
political purposes. And look what it's doing with Brazil, fifty

(01:25:41):
percent tariffs on Brazil because the former president there, who
is a friend of Trump's, has been indicted under their
legal system. So we're seeing here in broad daylight the
long term consequences of the way in which Trump is
conducting his economic policy and his trade policies around the world.

(01:26:02):
And it's forcing countries like India and China and Brazil together.
So the very thing Trump doesn't want, which is he
doesn't want he united bricks. He doesn't want countries getting
closer to China. That's his actly what's happening. It looks
like Modi now is going to make his first visits
to China in nine years as a result of this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
What do you make of the fact that stant out
of Japan that it recorded a million more deaths than
births last year.

Speaker 19 (01:26:32):
Well, this is something that's been going on for a while,
over a decade now, and it's not just Japan, although
Japan I think he's probably got the worst demographics in
the world. But it's also happening in China, it's happening
in South Korea. And the problem is young people are
not getting married in the first place, partly because it's

(01:26:54):
too expensive. Young people are living at home till much
much longer, sometimes in their thirties, even in their forties
in some cases, and then they're not getting married and
they're not having children a game, partly because of the
cost of having children, and also the fact that in
Japan and still very recently, it was very hard to

(01:27:15):
get any sort of government support for childcare to help
women back into the workplace after they've had children, providing
support for children, preschool education, things like that. So they
make it very difficult for young people to get married
and have children, and they're simply just reflecting in many

(01:27:38):
ways the economics of doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Peter, it's good to talk to you. We'll talk to
you again next week. You have yourself a lovely weekend.
That's Peter Lewis our Asia Business correspondent on the tariffs
that we've been lumped with. There is possibly a glimmer
of hope for US in this right, because the biggest
problem for US is the export of the beef to
the US, where we're going to get slept with fifteen
percent and we're competing against the Australians who are going
to get slapt with only ten percent. Good ish news

(01:28:04):
for US, terrible for Brazil is thus lapped with more
than fifty percent tariffs, which means that and they explored
a fair amount of beef into the US, they become
unaffut that you can't trade. You can't trade at that level,
so they become unaffordable. And then as a result, who
takes their place? Well, hopefully well the Australians and hopefully
US too. Eighteen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Good father do for sels zed B thinks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
So that okay, So all the bosses who work in
radio are radio nerds, which is probably a good thing.
It's good. It's good to know, good to know the
history of the place that you're work in. So completely unsolicited,
another boss has sent us an update on what z
B stands for. Correct Z means it was government owned
b means that it was allowed to have commercial elements

(01:28:47):
and had lots of restrictions like how much airtime they
were licensed to and blah blah blah. Z B was
only allowed to play for three hours a week on
a Monday. The other government brands had an a like
one YA, and they commercial free and could be on
air for a lot longer and more frequently. So there
if you go, if you oh, and then and then
and then of course if you're thinking that there was

(01:29:09):
what would we again? Was z B one one zaid
be one z B. That's what it was. So then
you had one ZB, two ZB, three ZIB, four ZB
and that denotes the different regions the country. So one
ZB is Auckland, two z B is Wellington, three z
B is Christians and four ZB is down in Dunedin.
So all of the numbers actually meant something in the end,
didn't they seventeen away from seven whether it's.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
Macro Microbe or just playing economics, it's all on the
Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas for Trusted
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Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Hither there was even a ZB station on a train.
I think it was called seven z b and it
was mobile, Peter, that's fascinating, thank you. And also there
was a one z U says somebody else in Tomaranui.
Hither the Z stations were government commercial, the Y stations
were government non commercial, and the X stations were independent.
What was an X station channel X one double xton

(01:30:01):
focus on or there we go, look at that ancient
That's how he knows that because he was born in
nineteen twenty one, fourteen away from seven and Gavin Gray
are UK correspondences with us. Elogevin, you're cruel, you are
have that. But he's used to it though, so you
know I've been stockholm syndering him in him for years.

Speaker 16 (01:30:19):
Gevin.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Now talk to me about Palestine Action and these dudes
are going to get arrested.

Speaker 18 (01:30:23):
Yes, the police are warning exactly that. So Palestine Action
is a group here that supports Palestine and it is
being ruled, however, to be a terrorist group here in
the UK over actions when they damaged and broke into
an RAF base and damaged to RAF aeroplanes, which infuriated
the government as well as slightly embarrassing them about the

(01:30:45):
lack of security around the base. But the group is
saying to have a massive gathering on Saturday tomorrow in London,
and the Metropolitan Police are saying, look, anyone sharing support
for the group can expect to be arrested now as
it's being advertised that hundreds of people are expecting to
turn out for the demonstration, then this could be messy

(01:31:06):
and very busy. And indeed there's also talk that the
group organizing the march and the gathering is saying, let's
really stretch the police resources that day to the very limit,
in other words, causing problems that way. They've denied that
is their aim, by the way, they just say it's
a peaceful protest. But either way, this belonging to this group,

(01:31:28):
membership of this group, it is banned under terrorism laws
and that means that membership or support for Palestine action
as a criminal offense punishable buy up to fourteen years
in prison. Such as the strictness of the terrorism legislation,
Let's see exactly how the police cope on Saturday. Incidentally,
on Sunday, the British Board of the Board of Deputies

(01:31:50):
of British Jews is marching as well onto Downing Street
and they're angry at the government saying it could recognize
the Palestinian state.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
It's September.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Now, what is going on with the Chinese embassy, do
you think?

Speaker 18 (01:32:04):
Very good question. When China put out plans for what
I can only describe as a super embassy in the
heart of the financial district in London, lots of people
were concerned and raising lots of questions about security. Now,
if it gets the go ahead, this super embassy in
the Royal Mint Court, in the heart of the UK's

(01:32:25):
financial institutions, there are fears for security because some believe
that China might try to infiltrate the UK's financial system
by tapping into five optic cables carrying very sensitive data
for firms in the City of London, all those financial
firms and so forth. This is a massive application because
it involves twenty thousand square meters. It would be the

(01:32:49):
largest embassy anywhere in Europe.

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
There is a.

Speaker 18 (01:32:53):
Cultural center in there housing for two hundred staff. But
in the basement, behind security doors, there are rooms which
on the plans have no identified use and indeed large
parts of the plans are blacked out, you know, just
just left blank. And that is why the Deputy Prime
Minister Angela Rayner has given China and its planning representatives

(01:33:15):
two weeks to explain why parts of its plans for
a new mega embassy have.

Speaker 6 (01:33:19):
Been blanked out.

Speaker 18 (01:33:20):
They want to know what those blanks are and demanding
that before they go ahead, even threatening that a new
hard perimeter around the embassy site, which the Chinese saying
they need for security and to prevent unregulated public access
where that may need a separate planning application as well.
So this is not looking particularly good for relations between

(01:33:44):
the two countries.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
Kevin, Now, do you think that the homelessness minister was
right to raise the money that raised the rent or not?

Speaker 18 (01:33:53):
Well, there are ways of raising rent on a property
here that have been really tightened up by the current government.
They are trying to make it much more life, much
easier for tenants and much harder for landlords. And it's
been one of their main key pledges in their manifesto
that they have acted on now they're in power. So

(01:34:13):
when the Homelessness Minister Russianara Alley was said in the
newspaper to have had a couple of places to rent
out but one of them, she said that it was
alleged that she had moved tenants out of and then
a few weeks later relisted the property at a one

(01:34:37):
four hundred New Zealand dollars a month higher rental value.
In other words, that there was the allegation she'd deliberately
kicked out the tenants, got them out, waited a little bit,
and then deliberately hiked the rent up. Now, of course
tenants and landlords. Landlords can charge what they want, but
in this country it's illegal to kick people out in
order to put the rent up like that, and so consequently,

(01:35:00):
I think it was a matter of time before she
had to step down. And indeed she's also on homelessness charities,
so the opposition party saying she's got to go for
those this is deep hypocrisy. Now she said, no, no, no,
What I was doing was I was trying to sell
the property. So I said to them, look, I'm trying
to sell it. They moved out voluntarily. I couldn't sell
the property, so then I re rented it. But yes

(01:35:22):
I did put the price up. Either way, it looked
really bad on the government and really bad on her.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
It really does. Kevin, you have yourself a lovely weekend.
We'll check to you on Monday. Look after yourself, Kevin
Gray are UK corresponding here that the phone number eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is because they'd be broadcast on
eighty ten eighty. You sound it make it sound like
that's an hysteric thing. Si'd be is still on eighty
ten eighty or ten eighty. What am I talking about?
Ten eighty am? Eight away from seven?

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
I've been meaning to tell you, by the way, it's
six away from seven. Be meaning to tell you, by
the way that the climate protesters. I love a climate protest,
ah to see who turns up, what they're up to,
what's got their goat today? They've been protesting. It's outside
the A and Z banks nationwide. The problem is that
A and Z banks Bathurst Resources, which is the country's
largest coal mining group, and the climate protests want them

(01:36:17):
to basically stop the banking for Bathhurst Resources. And as
a result of these climate protesters sitting outside the branches
and stuff, they even had to A and Z actually
had to close its Dunedin branch today because there were
just too many protesters blocking the doors. They had to
get the coppers out, so that coppers had to clear
the protesters so the staff could get in. But you
can't be wasting police resources, I suppose forever on that

(01:36:37):
kind of stuff when we've got a shortage of them
in too much crime and stuff. So they just had
to close the branch down for the day. Chloe was
out at the Wellington One having a wonderful time, and
actually Rosemary penn Warden turned up at one of them.
Do you know you remember Rosemary? Rosemary was one of
the recidivius hand gluers in Wellington when they were doing
when they were going crazy about the trains maybe that
restore passenger rail and all of us were like, what

(01:37:00):
that's out of them, that's random, okay, hanging off the
gan trees and stuff. Rosemary was there and if I
remember correctly, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think
Rosemary was busted by the police and taken to court
and then they were like you're on bail, don't go again,
and Rosemary is like, you can't do anything to me,
and she went back and then they were like no,
we can't do anything to your in mind, it's okay,
off you go Rosemary, because Rosemaries are really nice. She's

(01:37:21):
a nice granny, and so they just led her off.
And then she was also the one who got busted
sending the fake letter canceling the oil industry conference, remember that,
And they was like ten years jail, No, you could go.
Rosemary's all right. Rosemary just gets out of jail or
she avoids the jail all the time. Anyway, she said
she is now a spokesperson. May have been this whole
time for KLA Climate Liberation out here at Rosemary Penwalden said,

(01:37:43):
it's a freaking climate emergency. So there you go, a
freaking climate emergency.

Speaker 22 (01:37:48):
Ants everyone loves freaking at the moment, a special request
for our end of so end of show song tonight
our longtime podcast boss here at News Talks, there'd be
Ethan Sills. It's his last day today. He's been with
the business about ten years since he started as an
intern for The Herald. If you've listened to Paula Bennett's podcast,
to Francesca Rudkins podcast, to Chelsea Daniels's daily podcast, or

(01:38:08):
that once she did on Polking Horn, a cues Ethan Sills.
He had his fingerprints all over those in the behind
the scenes and basically all the other podcasts we've done
who said be. He's a very hard worker, he's dedicated
to getting things right. We're very sad to be losing him,
and he absolutely loves Kylie Minogue. So we're going out
with Yeah, cannot. I don't think I know anyone who's
more a fan of Kylie Minogue than him, So get
out of my way of her twenty ten album, Alfred

(01:38:29):
Iety is what we're going out with tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Edglie's got a Kylie Minogue book which we've been reading,
and Kylie's Kylie's Did you know that she was the
first pop artist to female pop artist to have I
think it was a hit single in five decades in
a row, so not just the beautiful bird but actually
quite accomplished. So anyway, Khaki teh Ethan and you'll win this.

(01:38:52):
Come home soon from London. See you next week

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
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