Full Show Podcast: 08 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Ryan
Bridge on hither duplicy Ellen Dreve with one New Zealand
coverage like no one else to U saw senb.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Good afternoon, it is seven after four. Great to have
your company. The RMA reformers incoming. Will it be a
bazooka or will it be tinkering? The Chinese are following
a navy ship of ours. Why can't you just tap
your debit card and pay for a bus. We're live
to Australia and London plus Nicola willis.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
After six, Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I have had it with people running around pretending that
we are all going to solve the world's big global problems.
We're not. Just stop it. Australia's banning kids from social
media on Wednesday. They're going to be world leading and
doing this sounds very appealing, stop the brain rot, etc.
Except that kids will be kids and they will just
get around it. They will go They'll do the same

(00:49):
thing that I did when I lived in China using
Facebook and get around the big firewall. You use a VPN,
simply log into an app and piggyback off another country
trees Internet, or they might get a fake ID, or
they might set up a fake account in another jurisdiction.
Good luck with this actually working. Same goes for climate change.

(01:10):
Remember we were once world leading on climate Well, the
problem with being world leading is that you actually need
others to follow. Otherwise you're not world leading. You're just
out there on your own an anomaly. What's the point
in stopping your cows burping? If the Aussies keep mining,
the Chinese keep burning coal, and the Saudis keep drilling
for oil. Climate change and the Internet posts similar problems

(01:32):
because they are global in nature, and because they are
global in nature, you need kumbaia from all corners of
the globe to address them. Look how that goes and
works for the UN. It doesn't, does it? You know that?
The truth of it is, if we really wanted to
solve these problems, if we really did, the quickest, most
effective way would be individual action, wouldn't it. We could

(01:56):
each and every one of us tomorrow take phones off
children and put them in the bin. We could walk
to work tomorrow and not drive our cars. But we won't,
will we? A pole out of Australia says seventy percent
of parents there support the band. Guess how many said
in the very same poll they would actually enforce it

(02:18):
with their own children, less than a third. It's the
same logic that has seen the Ford Ranger Ute, the
gas Guzzler, the Big marchro Bull of an A to
B topping the top sales list of vehicles in this
country for ten years running. And that's the real problem
with these global problems. Governments make a big song and dance,

(02:41):
but fundamentally, individually, we don't actually see them as real problems,
do we. Bryan Bridge ninety two is the number to text.
It is nine minutes after four. SkyTV shares have been
a bit all over the place today, but wobly this
same after the Netflix Warner Bros. Deals announced at the weekend.

(03:03):
It still needs regulatory approval and Trump has said some
stuff on this today. We'll bring that to you shortly.
But it affects Sky in New Zealand because a lot
of the movies and the TV shows on Neon Sky's
streaming service come from HBO, which Warner Brothers owns. Duncan
Grieve is host of the Full Media podcast on the
spin Off and joins me this afternoon. Hey, Duncan, the right,

(03:25):
How are you got to thank you? How much of
what Neon puts out comes from HBO comes from Warner Brothers.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
I think it's I'm not sure about the precise percentage,
but certainly when you think about how Neon markets itself.
For example, it tends to build its campaigns around a
few ten pole shows, the likes of The White Lotus
or The Last of Us, and both of those are
HBO shows, And typically it's biggest marketing pushes about really

(03:55):
high quality shows that show up on a weekly basis.
Keep you hooked on Neon from HBO, And the richest,
most kind of beloved parts of its library are also
from HBO. So the idea of the value proposition of
Neon as a you know, as a consumer product being

(04:18):
retained without HBO is pretty sketchy to me.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
It's the good bits. Do you have Neon? Duncan?

Speaker 5 (04:25):
I do?

Speaker 4 (04:25):
I think I'd probably watch it more than any other
streaming service.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Without the HBO content. Would you still have the subscription?

Speaker 4 (04:35):
I mean, I'm a media junkie, so I think I'm
a bit of an outlier, but I certainly wouldn't. I
think it would plummet in my rankings to to like
you know, third or fourth most used, and then for
the average person, that's a very easy cancel with cinema.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Will you know, does everything just then go to if
the deal goes through, does everything then just go to
Netflix and forget about the movies.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
I mean, historically Netflix has been pretty at best tipped,
probably more accurately hostile towards movie theaters. It's not a
business at their end. They very occasionally will release something
for a very limited couple of weeks run basically to
make it eligible for the oscars. But they've always been
very pure and kind of precise with what they are

(05:25):
as a company, which is a single app that you
can watch on any device and works incredibly well. And
they just think, more great content, more customers. That's a
flywheel that keeps rolling. And that's a big part of
what's scaring people with this acquisition is that the studio
that had the best year by far at the global
box office was one of Brothers Discovery, and you know,

(05:49):
they represent fifteen percent of the sort of cinematic market
at the moment, and if you kind of pull that out,
you know a lot of locations and potentially even some
chain theaters are viable, and the whole enterprise starts to
look a bit shaky. Now Netflix have said that they're
not planning to pull the movies out of there right now,

(06:09):
and it would be hard from our financial perspective to
do so. But you've got to think medium long term.
They want to have all this stuff on Netflix and
potentially on Netflix exclusively.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
One hundred percent. Don't appreciate that. Atternoon, thank you dn't
and Grave, host of the Fold Media podcast, on the spinoff,
it is thirteen after four Bread Now Sky has given
us a statement and they've said we have strong partnerships
with the broad range of entertainment studios, which ensures Sky
and Neon deliver a diverse and compelling mix of entertainment
entertainment programming. They also say in the statement that for

(06:40):
Neon customers there is no immediate change, which tells you
something in itself. Doesn't it that you're sure they've got
a deal signed? But how long does the deal last?
And then what happens after the deal ends? Does everything
just go to Netflix? Thirteen minutes after four, y're on
news Talk, said b wele get to.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Sport next, it's the Heather Busy Drive full show podcast
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Speaker 2 (07:04):
Talks B four sixteen News Talks. There'd be great to
have your company this afternoon. Lots of texts on the
opening editorial there, except for Janie Graham and Sharon, there
was mostly agreement. However, I have irped you because I
wrote off the Ford Ranger as a gas guzzler, and
many of you are saying that's not Jane says, our
Ranger gets nine hundred kilometers to a tank. No way

(07:26):
I'd call it a gas guzzler. Ryan, I agree completely
with your rant just now. However, with exception to the
comment about the Ford Ranger, my Ranger is only a
two liter diesel ten speed with a mission control. Never
heard of a mission control. It sounds fancy a far
more environmentally friendly than most vehicles out there, especially your
battery powered evs. If you look at the full life cycle,

(07:49):
I may have been guilty of judging a book by
its cover. I mean, you look at a Ford Ranger,
don't you, and you just think Jesus's got to be
a lot of gas in that tank.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Good Sport with TB BED with real time odds and
stats are eighteen BED responsibly Jason Pine.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Good afternoon, right home mates, black Cats. So the Wendy's
We've got a couple of days before the second Test.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
Yeah, Wednesday, it starts at the base in Reserve and
a few selection conundrums for Rob Walter and his team,
with in particular the pace bowling stacks quite depleted. Matt
Henry has been ruled out of the series, so has
Nathan Smith. We're already without the likes of Carl Jamison,
Will O'Rourke and Ben Sears. So what that means is
that the pace bowling attack against the West and He's

(08:32):
on Wednesday in the second Test, will consist of Jacob
Duffey who's played two Test matches, Zach Folks who's played
two Test matches, and Michael Ray who will be on
Test debut. So that is a very very green Seam attack. Thankfully,
on the other side of things, we welcome back Darryl
Mitchell and Glenn Phillips, a couple of established Test players.
So they giveth and they taketh away, as they say.

(08:53):
But yeah, the West Indies put up a good fight
in christ Church, so should be an interesting second Test
starting on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Absolutely. Now the Phoenix unfortunate. No one ever thought they
were going to but they didn't win the derby at
the weekend against Walkand FC.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
Do you think they ever will? I think they've got
a win one at some stage, Ryan, don't they Goodness?
I can't just keep on calling these Auckland FC. When's
week after week after week, whenever these derbies turn up
another great occasion?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
How that go? Media?

Speaker 6 (09:18):
On Saturday, beautiful day, big crowd, lots of drama, lots
of controversy, but the same result at the end of it,
very familiar, Auckland FC winning again.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
That's five out of five.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
Now the Phoenix players and in particularly their fans must
be wondering if they are ever going to win one
of these. I'm sure it will happen at some stage.
I just am unable to predict when that will be.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Jason, Thank you, Jason Fine Sports Talk cost seven o'clock
tonight on News Talk semb Ryan breck Or nineteen. Now
the RMA thing is happening tomorrow. Chris Bishop's got a
big announcement. There's going to be a lock up in Wellington.
All very exciting and instead of one RMA piece of legislation,
we will have two which already sounds cumbersome, but there
you are. They're going to pass it by Chris. And

(10:00):
this is annoying the lawyers because you basically send it
to Select Committee. Now that's a six month process, but
it kicks off public submissions written in oral and you've
got six weeks to get those in. And so they
want to pass these two bits of law by Christmas,
and then you have six weeks in order to get
your submission in. And the lawyers are saying, well, that's

(10:22):
not very good because you know they'll be on holiday presumably,
and so they're not happy about this. But we're going
to look after five o'clock at exactly what we think
will be in it, whether it's just a little tinker here,
a little tinker there, or whether this is full blown
turbocharge change. That's after five. I would have thought with
the lawyers, like, it's not long until it's June and

(10:45):
then you're off on your European holidays anyway, right? Is
it that big a deal? Four twenty.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, see it's Ryan Bridge
on hither duplessy Ellen dry with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks there.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Four twenty three. Barnaby Joyce, you know him, the Australian
politician actually was had in New Zealand passport too, didn't he,
Barnaby Joyce. Now he has made a jump. He's going
to join Pauline Hanson with One Nation and the you
know burker wearing Pauling Hanson. You can't not know her.
So he's left Nationals. He had lots of fights with

(11:20):
the leader there, so left Nationals and he's gone to
One Nation. He will continue representing New England which is
his electorate, and then he will stand at the next
election will which must be a couple of years away still,
but he will then stand for One Nation at the
next election. So we'll talk to Oli Peterson about that.
Also another interesting story out of Australia today and it

(11:41):
got me thinking about politicians who I mean, they're all
on the take, aren't they on the public teat? But
this one in particular, this is the Sport and Communications Minister,
Elbow's Sport and Communications Minister, Anika Wells is her name.
She spent three grand of taxpayer money on a ounces
and flights for her husband and children. So she got

(12:04):
invited as sports minister to a ski resort for a
Friday and Saturday event, and off she goes as she should,
that's her job, and then brings her husband and children
and they have to pay for the flights and a
couple of expenses for that, and she puts that on
the tax I'm sorry, you can't do that. Like was
she working, yes? Did she need to see her family? Well? Possibly,

(12:30):
Like you know, they do work long hours, so I
can see why on a weekend you might want to
be with your family. But that doesn't mean that you
put that on the taxpayer bill, does it. That just
doesn't make sense to me. Talk to Oli Peterson about
that too. Four twenty four Ship to Trump. So this
is what Trump has said about the Netflix Warner Bros.

Speaker 7 (12:50):
Deal.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Remember this still needs regulatory approval. It was asked about
it at apresser.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, that's a question.

Speaker 8 (12:55):
They have a very big market chair now when they
have Warner Brothers, you know, and that share goes up alive.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
So I don't know that's going to be for som
e canamis to tell.

Speaker 8 (13:04):
And also it I'll be involved in that decision.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Too, Yes, he'll be involved. The regulators will be involved.
I don't know how involved he will be, but he
does like to insert himself, doesn't he It's a massive deal.
Seventy two billion American dollars. I think, what's that? One
hundred and something one hundred and forty odd million New
Zealand dollars. And I have shares and Warner Brothers, so
I've been watching the share price quite closely because when
I used to work there, they would give you shares

(13:28):
every year. So there's probably quite a few former Warner Bros.
Employees in New Zealand who are looking at the share
price going, oh, that's quite good. It jumped about six
percent in a day. It's come back a bit since then,
but the share price is actually doubled over the last
year because they have a turnaround plan, you see, and
part of the turnaround plane is obviously been sucked up
by something like Netflix, and the investors have been liking it,

(13:48):
so the price has been creeping up, which is good anyway.
Still needs regulars on.

Speaker 9 (13:53):
Netflix if you want all the Warner Brothers shares. I
eight one hundred and eighteen eighty. Ryan's ready to negotiate,
but he's going to drive a hard barg and watch
out get Trump.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
You've got to get past me, all right. Anyway, I've
been watching that with interest and we will continue to
watch it with interest as well. You'd have to say,
Sophie Maloney over at Sky. Now let's get to Postcab
because Luxon's been grilled at Postcab about who knew what
when this is the Mick skimming thing. Andrew Costa was

(14:21):
claiming at the weekend he had briefed Mark Mitchell long
before Mitchell says he knew what was going on.

Speaker 10 (14:28):
Mark has addressed the timeline, the police have verified the
issue about his emails, and for me, I'm more focused
on what's the solution because we can talk about the
process story and the beltwet story as much as you like,
but actually what's most important is that this is an
organization that needs to make sure this never ever happens again.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Now, the media apparently got very upset about him calling this,
characterizing this as a Beltway story, but I actually think
he's right, and I'll tell you why. At about five
twenty five this evening. This is not a story that
you're going to run to your summer barbecues and talk
to your friends about. And that is the test for
whether something is beltweit or not. You're on news Talk,

(15:08):
said B. Barry Soper'll talk about it. Hell, who needs
a barbecue? Talk to Barry coming.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Up, understand the day's newsmakers.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Talk to Ryan first, Ryan Bridge on Hither Dupisy Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand and the Power of Satellite
Mobile News Talks d B.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Twenty five away from five. You're on news Talk, said B.
Now a lot of you texting in to say Ryan,
the biggest story here is Hipkins. What did he know?
And when? Why are the media not asking him? Questions?

Speaker 11 (16:02):
Ryan?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Any media chasing Hepkins? Anyone says this Texter, Yes, we are. Actually,
Laura has been onto Hepkins office today and he's not
doing an interview, but he is doing a stand up.
So in about ten minutes time, he's going to do
a stand up and they're going to throw a bunch
of questions at him. And we will bring you the
edit the audio as soon as we get it. Also,

(16:23):
Barry soph will be here about the same time. We'll
talk to him about it too.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
It's the world wires on news Dogs. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
It is Monday, eight December twenty five people have died
in a nightclub fine and the Indian city of Goa
police have arrested four people in connection with the fire,
including the club's manager. Here's the chief of police.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
This should never happen in a tourist state like Goa.

Speaker 12 (16:44):
Some people operate without permission or illegally, and the fire
incident happened because of this.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
To Ukraine, Trump's come up with another piece plan he reckons.
Both sides will like the look of it.

Speaker 8 (16:54):
Russia is, I believe, fine with it, but I'm not
sure that Zelinski's running with it.

Speaker 13 (17:00):
His people love it.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
But yes, it ready won't be holding our breath. Finally,
this afternoon, I have to go somewhere. There's a crime happening.
A statue of RoboCop has been installed in Detroit. It's
more than three meters tall and made from bronze. The
statue was crownfunded and crowdfunded, I should say, and sculpt
it back in twenty seventeen, but it's taken until now

(17:23):
to find a business owner who was willing to let
it be installed on their property. Good luck not getting that.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Stolen international correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of
mind for new Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Olli Petterson is what that's our Australia correspondent only good.

Speaker 14 (17:39):
Afternoon, Good afternoon, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
So you've got this big social media the world is
watching you, Oli, big social media ban is coming on Wednesday,
but already the polls are showing actually parents aren't going
to enforce it.

Speaker 15 (17:52):
Yeah, a third of parents they believe will not enforce it.
Now this is kind of interesting, Ryan, because according to
this Resolve poll, that's seventy percent of Australian parents supports
the social media ban, but a third of them are
only going to do something about it, So that is
quite interesting. They're skeptical whether these social media platforms can
actually enact what they say they are going to do

(18:15):
with the banning of people under the age of sixteen
on these social media platforms. I've started to see drip
fed even into mindbox over the last few days, the
likes of YouTube and Facebook and Instagram and the like,
asking and a few questions again about verifying your age
or just just notifying you that if you are of
that age that we think you might be under the

(18:35):
age of sixteen, that you may be kicked off these
particular platforms. So they're going to be using a combination
of artificial intelligence and facial recognition technology, so that they
might look at a photo, for example, on Instagram and go, oh,
that person could be twelve, but then again they could be,
you know, fifteen, they could be sixteen, and through their
own formulas, they'll be able to tell whether or not

(18:55):
they believe they are sixteen and then ask you to
verify your age.

Speaker 14 (18:59):
That's how they're saying it is going to work.

Speaker 15 (19:01):
There is no confirmed technology, to be fair, Ryan, that
will be able to indicate whether somebody is obviously sixteen
or fifteen or fourteen at this stage, so it's all
it is all a little bit of guesswork. But it
is interesting that despite the fact these laws are coming
into effect, Australian parents.

Speaker 14 (19:17):
Are supportive of it, but most of them might do.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Anything about Ollie. Can you explain this to me, because
I know you've got young kids. If you know social
media is terrible for your kid's brain, why would I
only get third of you and force it. Why would
parents not do something about it?

Speaker 15 (19:33):
Exactly the way I look at this, Ryan, And again, yeah,
I've young kids seven and four, so this is perfect
for me to be honest, because I can just say
as they're growing up, like the laws are in Australia
at the moment that you can't drink alcohol until you're eighteen,
and look a lot of people might drink alcohol before
they're eighteen. Sure, but you can say that's the law,
right that that's going to help me as a mum

(19:54):
and dad to be able to say you can't go
on social media. But as you just correctly said, Ryan,
you don't even really need laws right if you think
this is bad for your kids, they're monitor what your
kids are doing, like, actually stand up and be parents
in this stuff.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, I think parents don't like bring parents at the moment.
That's the problem with the word.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Barnaby Joyce and the Worst Keep Secret File going to
One Nation.

Speaker 15 (20:16):
He certainly is, but he made that confirmation on local
Tamworth Radio this morning. He said he's been considering it
for a long period of time.

Speaker 14 (20:24):
Paul and Hanson made him an offer to come over.

Speaker 15 (20:26):
He's taken it up, but he wants to put the
focus back on Australian people.

Speaker 14 (20:30):
So yeah, Barnaby Joyce joins One Nation.

Speaker 15 (20:33):
It's expected that he will try and switch to the
Senate at the next federal election. So that's in twenty
twenty eight, and it gives him a really big runway,
doesn't it. Over the next couple of years to start
to campaign for One Nation and Barnaby already hits the headlines.
As we all know, Ryan huge profile and the way
the polls are indicating the support for One Nation, he
should probably get elected.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
To the Senate.

Speaker 14 (20:54):
He's a bit younger than you think. Fifty eight, Paul
and Hanson's seventy three.

Speaker 15 (20:58):
Could we even see Barnaby Joyce's leader of One Nation
in the not too distant future.

Speaker 14 (21:02):
He's got to get elected first. I realized that.

Speaker 15 (21:04):
But a seismic change in Conservative politics in Australia today,
that worst kept secret confirmed.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
So she's seventy three. She looks pretty good for seventy three.
I would have thought, sure it does. He still the
sports minister story. I was just telling our audience that
she had got cheap or well, she had used tax
payer money to get her husband and kids to the
ski resort. But Laura's just told me there's also the
husband going to the cricket twice.

Speaker 15 (21:29):
Yeah, two boxing day tests just so happened to be
that he needed to be there and flying business class
return from Brisbane. Now, look under the rules for parliamentary travel.
She has not effectively done anything wrong, but there still
has to be a level of community expectation. In other words,
does this pass the pub test? And of course it doesn't.
Let's be blunt about it.

Speaker 14 (21:49):
If her husband wants to go to the Boxing Day
tests like I do, and like you probably do, Ryan,
well you go.

Speaker 15 (21:55):
You got to pay your own way in our parliamentary
business on Boxing Day when you're already getting free tickets
from Cricket Australia. It's just not the greatest look in
the world, now, is it. She's done it on a
few occasions. The Sketers Reports Resort seems to also have
a bit of a whiff about it. Plus the fact
that she spent one hundred thousand dollars she and a
couple of colleagues from her office to go over to

(22:16):
New York to sprout this social media ban. There has
to be somebody in that office providing that check and
that balance before you start to submit those costings.

Speaker 14 (22:25):
Sure it's in the rules, but again, does it pass
the pub test?

Speaker 15 (22:28):
I think Australians and New Zealanders as today would say,
I don't think so, Sports Minister.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
No, it doesn't pass the sniff test at all. Oli,
thank you for that. Oli Peterson, our Australian correspondent. Time
is eighteen minutes away from five. That's got to be
three strikes. See elbows still defending her, but that's got
to be three strikes. Two tests and the ski resort.
That's a passion of behavior. Now, lots of people texting
in about the social media band Ryan lazy parents out

(22:53):
there that lead their kids on social media. Now, every
time I say this, I get flat because I don't
have kids. People go, wow, you don't have Kensame get
don't what it's like? Well tell me like as anyone
out there managed to stop their kids from using their
phones successfully? And how do you do that? I would
have thought you just don't buy them phones? But that's
what do I know? Who Am I just a childless

(23:14):
renter on the radio eighteen to five buried open next.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get payment certainty.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
She's gone quarter to five on news talks. You'd be Ryan.
Parents find it difficult to say no to social media
apps because the peers have them too. It's simple, they
have tantrums. Please help us by supporting a legal band,
says Rich. Honestly, just because if your child has a tantrum,
you give them what they want. That's what's wrong with
the world, isn't it? Very correct?

Speaker 13 (23:40):
Ryan? Correct.

Speaker 16 (23:41):
I know you're a childless man, but I'm a father,
receiven and I can tell you what. You get a
lot of tantrums that I have over the years about
trying to keep them off social media. It's virtually impossible.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
But you just say no, don't buy them. I mean,
if they're that young, you don't buy them a phone.

Speaker 16 (23:59):
You don't buy them and you give them. You know,
you've got to set parameters in place, and I always
have with television and that sort of thing. So, you know,
tantrums or not exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Luxn's getting some flat not well, they've had the RMA discussion,
of course, that's coming tomorrow.

Speaker 16 (24:15):
Yeah, and that's you know, this is significant really when
you think about it. I mean, I remember the law
professor Jeffrey Palmer bringing in the first RMA in nineteen
eighty nine. It wasn't enacted then, it was introduced, but
they lost the election, so it was enacted by a
person who would have read it word for word more
than three hundred pages. The original act was that was

(24:38):
Simon Upton for the National Party. He enacted the peace
of legislation. And now it's grind to over seven hundred pages.
I mean, and it's you know, it's not just the
volume of it, it's what it's done to virtually everything
in this country that you can't do without a permit. Well,

(24:59):
I've got to say that Chris Lackson was today doing
a selling campaign on what's what we're going to see tomorrow.

Speaker 17 (25:06):
There will be less talking and filling in forms and
more building and more growing. And to give you a
sense of how radical our changes will be, officials estimate
that up to forty six percent of consent and permit
applications required under the current remay could be removed under
our new planning system based on twenty three twenty four volumes,
that represents between fifteen twenty two thousand consents that would

(25:29):
no longer be needed. Of course, what it means is
more houses, more wind farms, more supermarkets and more roads.
Homeowners will be able to build a deck or extend
their home without unnecessary costs.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
And delays.

Speaker 17 (25:41):
Farmers can spend more time on the farm and less
time on paperwork. Successive governments have tried to make changes
which have ended up being completely unworkable or merely tinkering
around their margins. What we're proposing tomorrow will be a
game changer, right.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
It does sound that that's half consents basically wouldn't be needed.
Incredible They can go out and build a without having
touring it on because you know, you can barely fart
without needing a reason these days. Terrible. Yeah, no, Now
what do you make of the cost of thing? Do
you think people of tuning out to this near?

Speaker 18 (26:11):
Well?

Speaker 16 (26:11):
I think so actually, but not the press gallery at
Parliament and Chris Luxen sort of announced that, but you
heard and then there were no questions on it. I
mean I pulled out up to twelve minutes. They all
talked about Costa, who knew what and when? And Mark
Mitchell is now coming out and saying that Costa on

(26:32):
his interview yesterday on Q and A was talking at
a nonsense when he said that he had briefed him
on the mcskimming thing in October. Well it was November
that certainly, Mark Mitchell and I've known Mark Mitchell every
ever since he come into Parliament. He's very much a
straight shooter and he's not likely to fudge this. And

(26:55):
why would he He said he only knew in November,
and I'd take him out his word, and certainly Chris Lackson,
despite all the questioning from the gallery today, talk him
out his word as well.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, Costa maucked up by blaming by throwing stones at
both Labor and National. That's right. He should have just
lobbed one and he would have had all the right
wingers on his side, no one.

Speaker 16 (27:20):
But did you notice when he was asked the question
did you know was he right in saying what he said?
What the minister said? There was quite a hesitation before
he answered the question.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
He was right. We're here from Hipkins on that soon
too on his side of the story. Now our warship's
being shadowed by the Chinese feet.

Speaker 16 (27:40):
We've got a fleet, the a On naval vessel is
the biggest in our complement of goodness only knows how
many ships, but not a lot. And now we're being
followed around in the well. We went into the South
China Sea last month and went through the Taiwan straight.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Them.

Speaker 16 (28:01):
Yeah, well they're there essentially to look at what's going
on with North Korea and the missile testing and what
have you, So it will be part of the five
Eyes thing. But the Chinese, I mean, they really do
know how to let you know that they're watching. Remember
they were in our waters, not in our territorial waters,
but within our waters a couple of months ago. Well,

(28:22):
here they are a fleet following our one little worship.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
We'll talk to Jeffy Miller about that after five. Finally,
this is very sad news because, as you know how
close they were, Helen Clark's fathers passed away, Yes, exactly.

Speaker 16 (28:35):
It was fascinating. The story about Helen Clark and her father,
I think is a great one because he was one
hundred and three when he died. And I was talking
to Helen very recently and she's always been down when
she's in the country down. And why he had a
dad's side and he lived at home, at his own home,
and why he one hundred and three years old. I mean,

(28:58):
he had a number of complications. But George was a
National Party supporter. When Helen joined the Princess Street branch
of the Labor Party and then went on to become
the Prime minister. And apparently George had a conversion on
the road to the Beehive. And obviously if your daughter

(29:19):
is a prime minister, you don't want to speak too
much about what your background politics would be.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
No, you fall into mind a beautiful relationship there. She
would go down to why He Beach and make them
meals and put them in the freezer like she was
a very attentive.

Speaker 16 (29:35):
And the thing is, I think always Ryan and I know,
having lost older relatives myself. The longer the bea like
her dad is. They're all alive and she's in her
mid seventies, the harder it is, I think on you
as a person to lose them.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Very Soper, that's politics. It's nine to five news Talks.
Be will hear from Hitkins hopefully before top of the.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
R hard Talk. Bold takes big stories. It's the Mike
Hosking Breakfast when the.

Speaker 15 (30:01):
Police Commissioner Andrew cost has finally given his version of events,
and he says Mark Mitchell knew about the allegations earlier
than they are admitting.

Speaker 19 (30:07):
And Mark Mitchell, the police Minister's with us absolute nonsense.

Speaker 20 (30:10):
Andrew Costa didn't voluntarily come and brief me. He was
told by the PSC to come and brief me. I
did not swallow the narrative that mc skimming was a victim.
I am a father of two daughters. Part of my
role as protecting people against the power of the state
when they buck up against it.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Christopher luxon Prime Minister.

Speaker 14 (30:25):
What about Costa himself?

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Does he have a future in the public service.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 17 (30:28):
By his own admission, he got his judgments wrong.

Speaker 19 (30:30):
So you're open to having him back.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
No, I'm not saying it's not something I considered.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
You haven't promised him any future jobs of.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Every night either, dupe for see Ellen on the Mike
Hosking Breakfast Back tomorrow at six am with Bailey's Real
Estate on news Togs.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
There'd be five to five. We'll look at the R
and A reform after five o'clock tonight. Nicola willis on
the show after six and we'll ask her about Costa
because she obviously recommended him for appointment to the Social
Investment Agency. The whole mess is sort of sticking around
because of that, really, isn't it. So we'll ask her
a couple of questions now I'm getting you introduced you
now to a man named Adam Griffiths. You might have

(31:02):
heard of him. He's the interim head coach of Perth
Glory in the A League. This is football. He's keen
to become the permanent head coach. You see, and Perth
won the last three games, so he's making a pretty
good fist of it so far. Why am I telling
you about this? Well? As well as being a talented
football coach, this guy also apparently has the soul of
a poet. After the Glori's win over West in Sydney

(31:25):
on Friday night, Adam was asked about his prospects of
staying on as a permanent head coach. This is what
he said.

Speaker 21 (31:32):
Yeah, this question comes up a lot, and I understand why.
Probably ask you guys to imagine a shared cliff two
undred meters higher and a mountain ghost sitting on it,
and he's eating some moss, some nutrients. But this mountain

(31:58):
goat he's been there for twenty five years. He knows
the terrain, he knows every little step that he needs
to take. He's seen others other mountain goats steping in
these places. Some are falling, some are still going.

Speaker 19 (32:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Now, I'm just going to take a quick break. Actually,
I thought we might have to take a break, like
an intermission at the movies because the thing is so long.
But he continues. This reporter is standing around him while
this is all happening. He continues, So.

Speaker 21 (32:30):
This mountain goat loves loves being on this mountain. He
loves the risk, he loves the decision making, he loves
everything about it being on this mountain. Right now, I
want you to forget about the mountain goat. Eraise it
from your memory, eraise it from your gray matter, delete it.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
I am a lion, okay, good, And that, kids, is
why you don't do drugs.

Speaker 13 (33:07):
And they're all like, yeah, okay, nobody understood that.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Come on, Honestly, the most bizarre sort of rant analogy
I think you've ever seen or heard in Football News
Talk z b RMA next.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
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Speaker 2 (33:36):
Good Evening seven after five Drags to have your company
the resource Management Actors from nineteen ninety one. That's about
as long as we've been complaining about it. Tomorrow, the
big revamp of the rules will be announced. Alan McDonald,
as the head of advocacy for the Employer's Manufacturers Association,
joins us tonight. Ellen, good evening, Hi, Ryan, is have
you seen this? Have you been given a little heads up?

Speaker 22 (33:56):
I've been working on this thing for eight years now,
so we've been working fairly closely with MFE and various
ministers along the way. So yes, I've seen what's in it,
but I can't talk about it yet.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
I understand that. But can you give us this? Is
there going to be a blockbuster? Is this going to
be a bazooka or is it going to be more
tankering around the edges?

Speaker 22 (34:14):
Definitely the bazooka.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
What's changing, Well.

Speaker 22 (34:18):
The old system is cumbersome, slow, inefficient, uncertain and very
expensive and the new system, if it works well, will
be none of those. And also the old system didn't
actually protect the environment, and we had the Environmental Defense
Society prove that for US about seven or eight years ago.
So the new one will have an enforcement agency and

(34:39):
national standards. So the councilors can't sort of add their
own seventy different interpretations of it, so hopefully it will.
Hopefully it will, I think give better protection to the environment.
Many people will not agree with that.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Can you get yeah, well that's true. Can you give
us an example of what you know how bad the
IMA is right now?

Speaker 22 (35:00):
Yeah, I can give you two really good ones. So
we've got a member who builds two bedroom beach batches
to be used in the way Catto. There are nine
councilors in the Way Catto. These things are identical. They
plug in at one end and everything flows out the
other end. He can have anywhere from about thirty or
forty pages of compliance up to something that looks like

(35:20):
about an inch and a half thick. So that's one
example of how inefficient it is. One of our other
members who runs a sawmill, very successful one down on
the Bay of twenty wanted to expand a building on
his site. So it's got all the air discharge, water discharge,
has kem, all of those things. It's already got those

(35:40):
existing permissions. Quarter of a million dollars to get a
consent just to expand the building on the site where
he's already doing all that stuff. It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Makes you blood boiled. Tomorrow it's all over. We live
in Hope, Allan McDonald, head of advocacy for the AMA.
It's nine after five. Chinese very sensitive right now over
Taiwan thanks to Taker ech Ye who's the new Japanese
Prime Minister. And our Defense Force has kind of been
caught up in this. So they've revealed that one of
our navy ships was followed around by Chinese warships. Recently,

(36:13):
h Men's alto been patrolling international waters. This is close
to the East China Sea, close to the Yellow Sea,
helping to curb North Korea's nuclear bilistic missile programs. That's
what they were doing there, but the Chinese didn't like it.
So seven Chinese warships shadowed the New Zealand Navy, apparently,
according to the Defense Force, though they maintained a safe

(36:34):
and professional distance. Jeoeped. Political analyst Jeffrey Miller, is with
me tonight, Jeffrey, Good evening.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Good evening.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Ryan.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Unsurprising that the Chinese military keeping a close eye on us.

Speaker 19 (36:47):
He's very unsurprising. I think I think that was always
going to happen. If you sail through the Taiwan straight,
New Zealand did it last year. Last time it was
accompanied by an Australian vessel. This time it seems to
have been alone. I'm no surprise at all that China
was keeping a close watch on what New Zealand navy
was up to.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
It is the least offensive us doing it on our
own name. I've thought about that, and.

Speaker 19 (37:09):
I think yes, in general, China takes the view that
when you undertake joint actions with other particularly with other
five Eyes countries, that's more provocative. So the fact New
Zealand was on its own possibly makes it a little
bit better in China's eyes. I don't know, though, And
you have to remember, after last year's incident that was
in September twenty twenty four, we then had the live

(37:31):
fire exercises by the Chinese ships in the Tasman Sea
that was in February, and that seemed to be I
guess a consequence of that, or retaliation to that incident
in fact of September twenty four. So you will wait
and see whether there's any further repercussion to what transpired
back earlier last month, did you free?

Speaker 2 (37:51):
You will know We've had the US officials, some quite
senior US officials for years now saying this Taiwan situation
is going to kick off, and some of the even
gave a date. They said by twenty twenty seven, we
would see the Chinese either invade or blockade or quarantine
or whatever Taiwan by twenty twenty seven. Do you think
things are heating up? You know, are they reaching a

(38:12):
boiling point?

Speaker 11 (38:14):
Well, in some.

Speaker 19 (38:15):
Ways, yes, Overall, in the last few years things have
got hotter rather than colder, if you like, in terms
of geopolitical tensions. And yeah, I would say this year,
if you look at it holistically, we're actually in a
better place. We've got a trade truce between China and
the United States. Remember Donald Trump met with jijingping at
Apex back in what October and signed a trade truce

(38:40):
and stepped back from the brink with the tariffs. But
also I think when you look at New Zealand this year,
New Zealand has come to appreciate China more than perhaps
in recent years, and that's because of Donald Trump and
Liberation Day and all the tariffs. So we see, we
saw two meetings this year by Christopher Luxon with Jijiping
Luxan went to China back in June and then he
had a a quick meeting with him in South Korea

(39:03):
at Apex. And also you've got the top Todd McClay,
the Trade Minister. Winston Peters was in China just last month,
so there's been a lot of attention paid by New
Zealand to China. But the one exception here is Judith Collins,
the Defense Minister, who's taken a very hawkish positioning, and
she was up in Washington and mid Octobia and you
have to wonder whether she talked about what New Zealand

(39:24):
was going to do with the Taiwand Strait with her
counterpart Pete Hexseth. So you know there are some differences
obviously in the cabinet and there's a more hawkish side
and there's a more i think trade focused side.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Well that's hope. Everyone can call their jets. Jeffrey Miller,
geopolitical analyst. It is their team after five Bridge. By
the way, we'll talk to Nichola Willis after five tonight
because they reckon this is Todd McClay and Luxon reckon
that they will hopefully have some kind of deal outline
of a deal with India trade deal by Christmas. Now
the question is whether that involves Derry and that's obviously

(39:58):
the you know, that's the the thing we want more
than anything. Does it include dry or not? When asked
Nichola Will it's about that after sixth this evening. Now
I promised you this audio from Chris Hipkins, and now
we have it. So he's just done a stand up.
This is about the whole cost of situation, and Costa
saying I told Hipkins in the back of a Crown limo,
you know, a couple of years ago about the mix

(40:19):
skimming affair situation. I'm hearing this for the first time too.
This is Hipkins response.

Speaker 12 (40:26):
I spent some time over the weekend just reflecting on
all of the conversations that I had with Andrew Costa
during the time that I was Minister of Police, and
I can recall no conversations in which this came up,
certainly not on the road trip that we did across
the country, nor at any other time. So I don't
know what he's referring to there, but he clearly never

(40:47):
provided me with any briefing on the allegations surrounding jevn
Mick skimming.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Wait, so I get a little bit suspicious when they
say I can't recall, because it gives you an out.
You can say, you know when someone comes with an
audio tape and says, actually, here's the audio me telling
you that, and you can say, oh, well, now I
recall it because you're playing it to me, but I
didn't recall it at the time. Just say it never happened.
It never happened. You would know this is his two

(41:14):
ic and he's saying, my two ic had an affair
with a young woman who was employed by police. You'd
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sebb Wellington is getting ready to ditch the snapper cards.
This is to get on your public transport on your
buses instead, you'll just need to tap and go with
your debit card or maybe your phone. It comes after
the rollout of the separate national ticketing solution that's been

(42:41):
delayed again sixteen years after first getting sign off. Do
you believe that? Of course you do. It's only just
reached christ Church and the Capitol is just sick of
waiting apparently. Darren Ponter is chair of Greater Wellington Regional
Council with me tonight, Darren good evening, Good evening, what's
wrong with Snapper?

Speaker 23 (42:59):
There's nothing wrong with Snapper immediately, but it is now
because we have been waiting so long, it is now
end of life. It is now a product that is
soon not to be supported by the vendor, which means
that if it falls over, we don't have any basis
to collect fares.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
That puts us at extreme risk.

Speaker 23 (43:18):
And is this credit debit card system is basically an
insurance policy for us?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Now, why isn't the main policy? Why can't you just
use a credit debit card, tap and go thing? Anyway?

Speaker 23 (43:31):
Well, we probably would have, but as you said, it
started sixteen years ago this conversation. And I suppose you
know the flip side to this is I am certainly
sick of telling Wellingtonians that they can't have what Auckland
has and what they can get when they get off
the plane in Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
It has just got ridiculous and.

Speaker 23 (43:50):
So we have made the call to lay out a
bit of money ourselves and get this system in place
in Willington by the thirtieth of March this year.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Does it cost to enable it to tap? You have
credit card, you debit cards, So.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
That's that's going to cost us.

Speaker 23 (44:07):
Five point five million dollars is a one off a
little bit as a as a one payment and for
the for the initial period that will have it. Remember,
the next ticketing system will hopefully still roll in in
about two years time. It will have some of the
technology that we are already going to deploy in advance.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Why why do we need a national ticketing system? If
you know everyone, well, most people have got a credit card,
a debit card or a phone that they can tap
and go with yep.

Speaker 23 (44:37):
And and quite a lot don't and quite a lot
never never will have children, people with concession passes, community
services cards, et cetera. But even then, even if you've
got a credit card, you need some sophistication in the
back end to be able to tell the credit card, oh,
that person is a half fair, or that person is
a full fair, or that person gets a particular type

(44:58):
of discard, et cetera. And that's all about the back end.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
What proportion of bus users or public transport users in
Wellington use cash at the moment, A very.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
Small number about three percent.

Speaker 23 (45:10):
I think the last time I looked, certainly on some
services we've taken cash off all together and now so
on our express services into the city, you can only
use the Snapper card at this stage.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Right, Okay, do you think we'll have this national ticketing
system up in place before you guys all get fired?

Speaker 5 (45:29):
I'm not betting on it. I've been asking every now
and then.

Speaker 23 (45:35):
I asked how long away is the next ticketing I'm
always told in irrespective of when it was, it's two
years away. So ask me that again in a year's time,
and the yards it will probably still be two years away.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
And it may not be you. I'm asking, Darren, Thank you,
dak Darren Fonta chair of Greater Wellington Regional Council. Now
you know the ACC workers who are up in arms?
Well are they up and arms? Is at the union?
The union's upset that they are having to go to
work for more than two days a week. I know

(46:08):
it's outrageous. They've basically flipped the work week weekend thing
on its head, so you have five days at home
and two days at work and the ACC came out
and told staff we want you to be in the
office This is just awful what they've done three days
a week rather than two. Now at PSA not happy.
The PSA has now come out and done an extraordinary thing,

(46:30):
a stupid thing, I think. And they have gone to
the Commerce Commission and complained that this is a breach
of the Fear Trading Act because ACC advertised jobs from
June twenty three until July twenty five that explicitly promoted
working from home as a key benefit to working at ACC. Now, okay,

(46:54):
maybe you can mount an argument, except when you read
and this is from the PSA itself, even they say
they explicitly promoted working from home up to three days
a week. So to the PSA and to Flur Simons,
who runs the person read the t's and c's.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
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Speaker 1 (47:16):
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Speaker 2 (47:22):
News Talks V five twenty six. Look, this is not
the biggest issue in the world and exactly zero of us.
We'll be talking about this over the Christmas barbecues this summer.
Costa and the he said, he said story. But it
is a bit titillating, isn't it. And as I said
about this from the beginning, it's basically a game of trust,
and many people felt Costa was an unreliable witness during

(47:44):
COVID the Jacinda years, just a vibe you got when
you'd ask him questions during interviews, and the fact that
he now claims to be briefing ministers in the back
of Crown limos without writing anything down is especially about
his two ic having affairs with young women. Well, that
just ran the feeling for me personally. But what he
should have done, if he'd been really clever about this,

(48:05):
he's mister trick. Was not accused two MPs from different
parties of the same crime. What he should have done
was just initially accused one of them of lying. Just accused,
say Hipkins, and then everyone on the right would have
gone after Hipkins, given Costas and Street cred, but of Manna,
instead accusing both Hipkins and Mitchell. They both know they

(48:27):
need to rip him apart. Now he's got zero friends
and zero receipts. So the story is going nowhere quickly,
certainly not to your summer barbecue chat, Ryan Bridge, your
news Talk CB. And yet it does here's Hipkins a
little more from his stand up a few minutes ago.

Speaker 12 (48:43):
I absolutely reject the claims that Andrew Costa is making
my press secretary at the time was in the car
with me. She also has no recollection of any such
conversation taking place. Those of you in the media will
know that people in those sorts of roles have a
fairly attuned heir to that sort of conversation, and she
has also has no recollection of any conversation and that
of that reckon of that nature taking place.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Hmm, okay, interesting, we have a we have a witness.
We have a witness in this case, do we have
time to tell people what he thinks about the summer break?
So what do you think about the summer break being
too long and it hurting business?

Speaker 12 (49:18):
I think all New Zealanders are entitled to a break,
and to some extent, it actually makes sense for people
to all take a break at the same time, because
it means that you know, businesses know what to expect,
they can plan for that everyone gets a break and
then we could all come back and get back get
stuck into it, refreshed.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
I think the problem is not that we take a
break when we come back. We just muck this around
at work, don't we. We don't do anything. Twenty eight
after five Nichola Willis here after six News talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home it's Ryan Bridge on
either duplicy Ellen drive with one new you see one
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Speaker 18 (50:08):
I can wait to sand those faces.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Twenty four away from Sexier on news Talks, they'll be
Nicola Willis after sex will get to the panel shortly.
Josie Bucganni Lamb here with us tonight. Over in Australia,
they had this like we had with petrol. Member to
Cindra doing broad in that thing and said you will
get discounted petrol because the cost of living is so bad.
The Australians did that with electricity and now they have
just ripped it out from underneath Australian household. So they're

(50:34):
going to be paying more for their electricity. And they're saying,
and look, no free lunch can last forever, I suppose,
but they're saying that because the cost of living has
come down, you know, inflation has come down from way
high to they're now three four percent over in Australia,
then that means that justified. But the cost of electricity
itself hasn't come down, whereas petrol was fluctuating, and petrol

(50:57):
came down because after the Ukraine thing happened. So there'll
be in a bit of a tight spot politically. I
would have thought doing that never a popular thing to
take away freebe is it? Twenty three away from six
Rich Children's Commissioner is launching a campaign against child homicides.
The Commissioner has written a letter directly to the country's
one point two to three million children and asking adults

(51:19):
to sign it. Doctor Claire Uchmand is the Children's Commissioner
and joins me, Now, good evening, Good to have you
on the show. So was the what's driving this? And
particularly at this time of year? Is this a bad
time of year for child abuse and child homicide?

Speaker 24 (51:37):
Today I've launched a new nationwide campaign that's called Dear Children,
and it is a message to all children in our
country that they have a right to be safe. And
I'm calling on all adults in New Zealand to actually
protect that right for children and to do that fiercely
because the reality is that not all children are growing
up safe in our country. Often very young, they are

(52:01):
dying by homicide in our country. It shouldn't be this way,
and we shouldn't let it happen anymore. In fact, we
want is the message that I'm sending through this campaign.
And in terms of the timing, Ryan, you asked about
why now that's intentional. Last year, over the Christmas and
New Year period, two children were killed by homicide, and

(52:22):
we have seen throughout the year more children die in
this way. We know that this time of year, coming
up to Christmas and across the New Year and holidays
can be a really stressful time, and so I'm reminding
all people in New Zealand to do more to look
out for children in their communities.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Claire, who are you talking to specifically? Because you know
parents who abuse, you know, violently abuse their children and
who kill their children. I don't imagine we'll be reading
a letter from the Children's Commissioner. Is this to the
neighbors who are listening to abuse?

Speaker 24 (52:56):
Well, actually this message is for all adults in New
Zealand because we need a national conversation about this difficult truth,
which is that not all children are growing up safe
in our country, and we need a national commitment, and
that starts with change at the grassroots level. Flex roots
in our communities, as you say, for neighbors, family members,

(53:19):
community members, to look out for children, to be alongside
families and far no, especially when they're facing stress, to
actually make it okay and normal, to create for help.

Speaker 14 (53:32):
For help.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
I don' think anyone's going to disagree with you. It's
awful our reputation and our statistics. But we've had this
conversation so many times and nothing seems to change.

Speaker 24 (53:44):
Well, we have attempted to have this conversation in the past, Ryan,
But what I have noticed in my work as Children's
Commissioner when I meet communities around the country and when
I share with them, for example, the reality that on
average is three four to five weeks, one child in
our country is killed on average by homicide, and that

(54:05):
over the past decade, one hundred and thirteen children have
been killed by homicide. When I share that reality with
people and communities up and down the country, I've noticed
that actually they're quite shocked about that. And so that's
why this campaign Dear Children is first and foremost about
bringing awareness to this problem because collectively we first of

(54:27):
all need to understand it is a problem, and then
I hope we can really work together on that wikle
of change to prevent.

Speaker 7 (54:34):
This from hem.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
What is your message, Not that they will be listening
to this, but to any parent right now who's violently
abusing their child, what do you want to say to them?

Speaker 24 (54:44):
My message to all adults in New Zealand is that
all children have a right to be safe, that children
should be safe and protected in all circumstances.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
If you're sorry, interrupted, if.

Speaker 24 (54:56):
You're facing stress right now, is a parent and thinking
that you are going to tune to violence, there is
another way. I encourage you to reach out for help
because help is there and we must get more okay
with asking for help and with offering help.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Okay, I think some people listening might be wondering why
you're addressing it to all parents. You know, is there
something wrong with saying to a parent who's using their
child stop it?

Speaker 24 (55:25):
I really absolutely not. We need to be alongside all
parents to and including parents who are struggling, to offer
that help and support. But also we need a whole
of society culture change around this issue. So that's why
I'm putting this message out to all New Zealand adults,
because if we are serious about making a real change

(55:49):
on becoming a country where every child is growing up safe,
then that is going to take each and every one
of us. This is preventable and we can all play
our parts. So I encourage all people to go to
the dedicated campaign website bere children dot co dot nz,
show their support by signing this letter with me and

(56:09):
be part of this change together.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Doctor Claire Akmand, who's the Children's Commission, appreciate your time.
Tonight eighteen to six the.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
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Speaker 2 (56:22):
Josie beganing with us Tonight's CEO, Child Fund Josie good evening.
Hello and Liam here, lawyer and political commentator. Good evening
to you, Good even thoughts Josie on what we just
heard from Clear, Well, I mean I.

Speaker 25 (56:37):
Work for an organization that works with children that when
we're called ChildFund, and we work in some of the
worst places where you know, kids are getting married at
fifteen or even younger. Sometimes there's all sorts of issues
around child looking after children. So I listen to this
and I go, look, the challenge is always I know
this from my own work. You've got to be clear

(56:58):
about what are the intervents that are effective. And I
worry that. I mean, the statistics are awful, and you
said that, Ryan, but I worry that something like a
campaign to stop child homicide is so vague and so
you know, it's something that everybody would agree with except
the people who are killing children. That you don't actually
am not clear what the intervention is. And unless you're

(57:21):
clear about it, then you can't.

Speaker 7 (57:22):
Really have a dialogue or a debate about it.

Speaker 25 (57:25):
So I mean to give you an example. If you
have a thing saying I commit to all children in
the world thriving and being and living nonviolent lives, great,
what does that mean If you go, I want to
extend paid parental leave because I think that'll make babies
safer for parents at home, then some people are going

(57:45):
to disagree with that, some people are going to furiously
agree with it, and you're going to have a debate
about whether this will make a difference. So unless you
can be specific about the intervention, you just end up
switching people off and as you said, Ryan, the people
are going out killing their childildren are not going to
be turned around by a campaign against child homicide.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah, Leam, I suppose it's part is it just sort
of part of the job that you have, the Children's Commission,
and this is the kind of stuff you do.

Speaker 7 (58:10):
Well, maybe that that means the job maybe shouldn't exist,
But I mean I was just so frustrated, just serious
to hear that so like that it was to talk
about child's from side in a way that drained it
of all moral meaning.

Speaker 26 (58:24):
That's what the views like, you know, it just it's
just to not even sum.

Speaker 7 (58:29):
Up the you know, to the indignation to just denounce
those who hurt children to talk about it along like
a four year old doesn't need up in a coffee
a coffin because of any structural disadvantage, right, I mean
there there there's poverty all around the world and countries
have much worse poverty and much better child of your
statistics than to WeDo. And you know what we stuff

(58:51):
from this country is a lack of moral revulsion. And
until you actually have that public morality and that strong
moral sense, no letter campaign from Wellington is going to
make a deep one way or the other was it
was infuriating here then.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
To you, all right, we're going to take a break.
I'll come back to you, josih on this. We'll take
a quick break. Text machines firing off as well. Back
in a second.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
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Speaker 2 (59:19):
Thirteen to six News Talks. There'd be a huddle tonight,
Josie Bugani and Liam Here the Children's commissioned a letter
on child abuse and child homicide. Ryan, what a waste
of time, generalized, non targeted ad campaign, Ryan, Concentrate on
the ten percent who are the problem. Don't put us
in the same basket.

Speaker 19 (59:34):
Ryan.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
This is why commissioners are a waste of time. Josie,
you were about sorry I interrupted you for the break,
but you were about to reply to.

Speaker 25 (59:41):
Liam You're allowed to have a break.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
No, very very quickly.

Speaker 25 (59:45):
I was just going to say that that I'm uncomfortable
about targeting this to dear children or you know, every
child in New Zealand. So we do a lot to
try and get what they said, you know, the voices
of children, to find out what children are going through
and so on. But to put the burden on children
to solve these kind of problems and to somehow say,
you know, we're going to make you know, we're going

(01:00:05):
to tell you about your rights, and you're going to
represent yourself and you're going to fight back against this.
I mean, what on earth could baby rude to stop
being killed? What could those three kids in sansm do
to stop being burnt to death by their father allegedly?

Speaker 27 (01:00:20):
You know?

Speaker 25 (01:00:21):
So, I think it's we tend to do this in
child focused organizations all the time. Yes, we have to
listen to children, but they are not responsible for solving this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
We are good point now, Andrew Costa and the whole
he said, he said, thing, Liam, are you are you
paying attentions? Toll? Well, I mean, and I know you are,
because it's what you do. But do you think most
people are paying attention at this point or we tuned out?

Speaker 10 (01:00:45):
Well?

Speaker 7 (01:00:45):
I think you know that the people are finding tune
it out. I mean, well, people have made their judgment
about it already. The political fallout is more complicated than
the They're very bad and moral in discussions and the
moral problems. But I mean not to be a broken
record about it. But again, I just kind of think
there's a lack of morality. You know, we're sort of

(01:01:07):
I think we akin to be so sophisticated about people's
private lives, right but I mean Chris Supkins and Mark
Mark Mitchell, they knew that that mix Skivving was having
it had an affair, Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:01:22):
Right now.

Speaker 7 (01:01:22):
I know that we don't have to be judgmental about
people's private lives. But he's got it ord very constable.
This is a person who is a deputy commissioner. He
he could not uphold his oath to his wife. Why
do they think he has integrity to hold senior public office?
And I know that sounds very retrogame.

Speaker 26 (01:01:40):
I think actually were and it sounds really.

Speaker 14 (01:01:42):
Really harsh, I know, but we need to normalize I.

Speaker 7 (01:01:45):
Think being judgmental about adultery because if you were, if
you if you lack integrity and those things, why would
we assume you have intiquity to other things?

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
I think there is something about a judge of character,
isn't there, Like if you're going to appoint someone for
a role, there is a judge a character thing, is there?

Speaker 25 (01:02:02):
Josie, Yeah, as a much worse Catholic than Liam. I'm
immediately feeling guilty and I'm not quite sure why, but yeah,
I know what you're saying, Liam, But I actually think
Andrew cost has made it far worse because what he's
done now is present two competing narratives about the salacious story.
So the first is that, oh, yes, complaints weren't acted

(01:02:24):
on properly. It was negligence from my part. It wasn't intentional.
I didn't have all the information. We didn't take it
seriously enough. Then he says, as of the interview at
Q and A that actually he did take it seriously
enough to escalate it to ministers at the time. And
so then you go, well, hold on a minute. Obviously
you did think this was serious. That makes it more
sinister that you didn't act.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Yeah, exactly. And also you're briefing people in the back
of Crown limos with no notes. That's not great. Hey, finally,
office Christmas parties. We've got one here at ends in me,
but he's sort of half an interested in it. I
think I don't know how much we're spending on it,
but apparently the days of the lavish, boozy ones are over.
I'm not surprised to hear this, are you Liam.

Speaker 26 (01:03:09):
Well, no, not really, but that's not how I can't
my own business.

Speaker 7 (01:03:14):
I mean we're small, we only have twenty one people.
But just got the bill for OW on a Saturday
and it was you know, maybe cry a little bit,
but our people work really, really hard, you know, they
really hard the same year. And I do think actually
is as a good employer, I think you have got
your the patient to sort of reward people for the
hard work they've done in the year. At the blast
for the scene was count the pennies?

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
What was the bill?

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
That's commercially afraid.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Josie because normally, laugh, I've been to ones where they
give you one or two tokens for drinks stuff like that,
so boring.

Speaker 25 (01:03:48):
Yeah, we did something incredibly family friendly and homely and
sort of you know, Ned Flanders Simpsons. We made our
own homemade pasta at a pasta place. But the thing
that I would like to get rid of entirely is
in the Secret Center stuff because everyone gets they don't want.
And actually that actually reminded me that someone in the

(01:04:11):
Secret Centers has got Grant Robertson's.

Speaker 14 (01:04:12):
Book at our work do and it.

Speaker 25 (01:04:14):
Reminds me of the difference between Rudolph's Knows and Grant's book.
One of them will be read this Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Thank you very good, very good, very good. Joseph, Acgarney
and Liam here on the huddle tonight. It is seven
minutes away from six. I've got a Yeah, we've got
a secret sand of thing that we do in one
of our families Christmases. And it's sort of like, yeah,
they do they read the book that you give them,
Like are they that interested? One of them is a

(01:04:46):
former pilot and my partner's drawn this person's name and
he's going to get, you know, like a book to
do with planes. And I see he's probably got a
thousand plane books sitting at home. Does he really Is
he really going to read another one?

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Now I've given away who anyway, I've just ruined Secret
Center seven to six.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Four to six News Talk zib Ryan. Doctors and nurses
and hospitals work super hard and they have no Christmas parties,
So get some perspective. Gosh, okay, all right, settle down.
What happens is we will go to our Christmas parties,
write ourselves off, and get ourselves in such a state
that the hospitals need to deal with us.

Speaker 9 (01:05:31):
Which is why, Ryan, because Boggley knows that you and
me are the real problems there. So they've scheduled the
Christmas party to happen during our shift and preparing for
our show. So master struck from company management here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
That always happens to probably always it does. It always
happen to you as well. Every year I missed the
Christmas party for that reason or a reason like that.

Speaker 13 (01:05:49):
They know what they're doing our busses.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Yeah, just sort of take a hint. Someone else says, Ryan,
just give me the cash. This is secret Santa, just
give me the cash. By this time of year, you're
the last people I want to spend any more time with.
I hope you don't say that to your kids. You
know they don't want to. It's you might think it,
but don't say it. Right, it is coming up to seven,
you're on news talks, b try and be happy. It's
Christmas and Nichola Willis is here. There's a new poll

(01:06:13):
coming out in a couple of minutes. We'll have results
and reaction from the Finance minister. All aheads us talk
se B.

Speaker 18 (01:06:26):
I want a wis Christmas done?

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
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there be good evening.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
It's Monday. Great to have your company coming up. Before
seven we'll get to the UK. We'll talk about the
gondolas coming to Queenstown. Potentially they're a step closer. And
Shane Solly has your market right now. This poll from
TV and Z the Aryan Pole is all the reason
you need to know as to why you don't roll
the leader of your party, why Luckxeon's should still have
the job. National is up to on thirty six percent,

(01:07:29):
Labour is on thirty five. They're up three, act Is
on ten, up two, New Zealand first on nine steady,
the Greens down four on seven percent, Party Marti on one,
down two. So you've got National, Act and New Zealand
First day can govern together. Preferred Prime minister stakes Well,
Luxeon's actually up to on twenty three. Chris Ppkins is
up three, but he's on twenty one, so Luxon's still

(01:07:51):
out ahead. Chris Bishop registered for the first time at
two percent. Now you don't roll a leader when the
main contender is on two do you now? The interesting
thing about this poll, as previous said Sean, is that
in order for even if you don't trust Winston, you
think Winston will go with Labor, still only get to
fifty four seats, don't have enough to govern, so that

(01:08:12):
would require Winston having to go with Labor and the
Greens and potentially to Party Mardi, which I think is
a step too far. Nikola Willis is the Finance Minister,
joins us live good evening, Good evening, Ran you're happy
with those results.

Speaker 28 (01:08:26):
Well, as we always say, polls go up and down,
and we're focused on doing the things to make sure
New Zealanders are better off. They can get ahead and
they've got strong public services and that's positive to see
that most New Zealanders, if they had the chance to
vote tomorrow, would re elect our current government.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
So long as Winston goes with you.

Speaker 28 (01:08:44):
Well, he is currently part of the government.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Do you feel like you've made the right decision in
sticking with the Boss.

Speaker 28 (01:08:51):
There was never a question about that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Hey Costa So formerly obviously boss of Social Investment Agency.
What did you make of his interview over the weekend.

Speaker 28 (01:09:01):
Ah, I'm not going to get into commenting on an
interview that was commenting on people's comments on a report
that was published. The clear thing is that the Independent
Police Complaints Authority found very clear failings at police under
mister Costa's leadership. He's reflected on that and I think
made the right decision to resign from his role as
the chief executive of the Public Social Investment Agency. And

(01:09:25):
as far as I'm concerned, that's the line that we
need to draw moving ahead. What's really important is that
police make the changes needed to ensure that if any
other young woman presents in the way that the woman
at the center of this complaint did, that she gets
treated a whole lot better.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
The problem for you, though, Minister, is you recommended him
for this job.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Can you question?

Speaker 28 (01:09:46):
So that is not a problem for me, Ryan, because
in fact, mister Costa was appointed on the twenty fourth
of September in twenty twenty four and the complaints about
Deputy Commissioner mc skimming we're not made until the tenth
of Octo. They were not referred to the until after
mister Costa's appointment had been But.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
When did he start the job? Not until after you
were told?

Speaker 28 (01:10:10):
Well, actually I was not told about the ins and
the outs of what mister Costa had or hadn't done.
In fact, what the IPCA were investigating was the way
that complaints about mix skimming were handled, and it was
appropriate that a full investigation take place before people leapt
to conclusions about what that investigation would say. Then a
report was published, the government acted swiftly to respond to

(01:10:34):
those conclusions. We've accepted all of its conclusions and mister
Costa has now resigned.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
What's the public mean to think? I mean, you've got
a guy that you appointed for a job now saying
that one of your colleagues, Mark Mitchell, a minister, is
basically a liar. Who do we believe?

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
Well?

Speaker 28 (01:10:52):
I believe Mark Mitchell. So cost is lying, well, I
believe Mark Mitchell when he says that he was not
briefed are at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Which means just say that you think cost is lying.

Speaker 28 (01:11:06):
Well, I'm not going to get into a who said what,
except to say that I believe mister Mitchell.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Okay, all right, I think that's clear enough. Hey, this
tax posonion campaign that they're going to launch apparently on Thursday.
Are you worried about Do you know who's funding it?
Have you found that out?

Speaker 28 (01:11:22):
No, I'm not worried about it. Look, democracy is people
have debates about the different ways of addressing issues. Clearly
Ruth Richardson wants a repeat of the Mother of All budgets. Well,
I'm not going to do that, and I make no
apologies for taking an approach which means that we are
getting the books back in balance, we are ensuring that

(01:11:44):
there's less extravagant spending by government. We are ensuring that
we'll get our debt down over time. That's the right
thing to do, but it's also the right thing to
do to keep delivering New Zealanders quality education services, quality
health services, more police on the front line, to ensure
that there is a social safety net. Now, Ruth Richardson
may want a slash and burn exercise, I don't. She's

(01:12:06):
absolutely welcome to campaign against this government's approach, but I
stand by it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
So you're not going to push the surpace out again?
What do you mean you have to hay for? You're
not going to push the surpace out again?

Speaker 28 (01:12:18):
Well, I'm going to stick to the undertakings which our
government has made about retaining fiscal discipline, and I will
be publishing updated forecasts on what the books will look
like next week.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yeah, but hang on that. You have said that twenty
twenty nine will be the ober gallex surplus. That'll be small,
but we'll get there. Are we not going to get there?

Speaker 14 (01:12:40):
Well?

Speaker 28 (01:12:41):
What I have said is that that's what the forecasts
showed at the last budget update, and I will share
the next forecast next week. And despite you being a
very good interviewer, Ryan, I'm not going to reveal what
the forecasts say a week early, just as I'm on
news talk z.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Beata, let's forget the forecasts. Do you stick by your
promise to get us back to surplus by twenty twenty nine?

Speaker 28 (01:13:02):
In terms of our fiscal strategy, we retain the intention
to return to surplus, and what the forecasts will show
I will share next week.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
So your commitment stands.

Speaker 28 (01:13:14):
We are committed to returning the books to surplus, and
I will be sharing the forecast about what the books
will look like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
You know, I forget about yeah, no, no, forget about
the books. I'm asking you as a politician on the
promise you've made to return to surplus by twenty twenty nine.
Is it happening or not?

Speaker 28 (01:13:30):
Well, Actually, what I have had is a fiscal intention
which is part of our fiscal strategy, which has been
to return.

Speaker 13 (01:13:38):
Not a promiseless.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
We have always what is as intention.

Speaker 28 (01:13:44):
Well, under the Public Finance Act, we need to set
out fiscal intentions about how we wish to manage the
public finances, and I've set an intention by which we
intend to reach surplus. You'll note that at the last
half year update we head downward revisions in the forecasts,
and at that point we also revised the ober gall

(01:14:06):
X measure. And we have intended always to keep to
our operating allowances, which are the discretionary spending choices. And
in fact, and this year's budget, we reduced our operating allowances.
But you can, in order to provide fiscal discip.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Books will say what the book, the forecast will say,
what the forecast will say. If you want to get
to surplus, you can get to surplus, you just cut more.
Are you going to do it or not?

Speaker 28 (01:14:28):
I do not intend to cut my operating allowances further
than that which we published at the budget, so we.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Are at risk of delaying surplace.

Speaker 28 (01:14:36):
Again, that is always the case that forecasts move up
and down, and that has an effect on when surplus
is posted or not. In fact, on average, in fifty
percent of cases, it's up to seven billion dollars out.
I will be publishing the forecasts transparently and openly next week,
and I will share those with New Zealanders at that point,

(01:14:57):
and I make this commitment to everyone listening. We will
be sticking to disciplined government spending. We will be retaining
our intention to get the books back to surplus, to
get debt leveling of spending the proportion of the economy reduces.
I will set that out very.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Lukes, is your sounding and slippery is a turn in
the spring rain?

Speaker 28 (01:15:20):
Well, here's why. Because I announced these budgets sensitive market
sensitive pieces of data next week. There's a full lock
up at that point. If I ribble out some of
that information today in an undisciplined way, that is not
good for the market, that's not good for anyone. And
I will be sharing that information in full with all
New Zealanders next week. And when you interview me about

(01:15:42):
that next week, I will answer every single question in detail.
But what I'm not going to do is release the
details of that heartier update today.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Nikola, Well, I appreciate your time tonight, Finance Minister. It
is quarter past six.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
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B, News Talks B. It is eighteen minutes after six.
Shane Soli Harbor Esset Management for our market update Shane
good evening.

Speaker 29 (01:16:08):
Yeah, get it right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
This Netflix Warner Brothers deal, obviously it's got regulatory hurdles
to go through, but the impact on our share market here.

Speaker 29 (01:16:15):
Yeah. So obviously Friday Night Netflix and thatsal it had
reached an agreement to acquire Warner Brothers. The deal potential
implications for Sky TV investor group here in New Zealand.
Sky obviously the exclusive distributor of Warner Brothers product, particularly
the HBO content that Warner Brothers producers through its Neon platforms.
So you know the risk is the Netflix acquisition of

(01:16:38):
HBO says it go more direct by passing Neon. Sky
interesting for Sky that HBO contract still runs out to
a twenty twenty seven, so a little way to go
investor group. These are. It's a cinema IT provider, and
obviously their customers may see Warner Brothers movies have shorter
exhibition times at movies and go more to streaming. We

(01:17:00):
saw both shop prices down on the day, Ryan, Sky
TV shop price down eight percent to three dollars twenty
three versus share price down two point six percent to
two sixty five. Interesting twist, mister President. President Trump has
come out and said he'll be evolved and then of
your Netflix Warner Brothers deal. So we're going to stay
tuned for a few more developments.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
I thenk Yeah, things are going to get a bit
spicy over there. What are the markets expecting? We've got
the US Fed Thursday? What are markets expecting?

Speaker 29 (01:17:25):
Yeah, so the markets are priced in a quarter percent
point two five percent cut from the US Central Bank,
which is known as the FED, and if it comes through,
that would see their benchmark FED funds rate for from
three point nine percent to three sixty five, so quite
a bit higher than ours here and is on the
tone will be key Ryan, You know, is there potential

(01:17:47):
for walk cups in January or is it a more
measured approach? Markets recently run into this, So if we
don't get a cup that will be a surprise for markets.
Maybe we get a cautious cut over the weekend. The
potential next FED chair Kevin Hassett said it maybe time
for the Feed to cautiously cut rates over the weekend.

(01:18:07):
So you know, that's definitely got a bit of a
there is a cut that maybe it's cautious.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Hey, what news we got coming locally this week?

Speaker 29 (01:18:14):
Yeah, Tomorrow we've got the Reserve Bank of Australia cash
or target. You kind of wonder why it's relevant for
us here. It is a big deal for a lot
of our exporters and businesses that export into the services
and goods into Australia. The market is weary of a
hawkish tone, I even potentially of a rate hikes. Wednesday,
we've got New Zealand net migration for October, remembering this

(01:18:37):
has been quite weak, so if we see some stabilizations important.
We have also got the Helenstein's and Warehouse Group annual
shareholder meetings on Wednesday, really important litmus test for what's
happening in the real economy. Tuesday, we've got the third
quarter New Zealand manufacturing data fora and that has been
quite weak. So again, are we seeing a stabilization. We've
got Fontier, WIS, PACs AGMS Onday and on Friday we

(01:19:01):
wrap up within zone business in Z, manufacturing, purchasing manager
in and card spinning for November. Really so important data
points as to whether the economy is finding a base.

Speaker 5 (01:19:11):
What the outlook is a busy week for.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Newslaw Indeed, Shane appreciated Shane Sally harmb Brasset Management. It
is a six twenty one A click update. This is
you know, we've been watching the dairy price come down
in the global dairy trade options every second Wednesday you
wake up, well, I mean this is me at the
other end of the day, waking up, coming in and
checking the numbers and they've been falling for eight consecutive
auctions now and so's starting to have an effect on
farmer confidence. Rabobank's final, fourth and final for the year.

(01:19:38):
This is the Confidence Survey. Latest survey says forty percent
of farmers expecting performance of the broader agri economy to
improve in the year ahead. That's down from fifty one
percent in the previous quarter. Number expecting it to get
worse is up from five percent to twelve percent. Now
just a caveat. This is not end of days. This

(01:19:59):
is not the Doom's Day scenario. This is coming off
really high, in fact record high confidence level. So confidence
is still there. We're just to touch less bullish than
we were before, which is no surprise given where the
price is going. Twenty two after six News Talks MB.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
It's Ryan Bridge on the Business Hour with maz Motor
Vehicle Insurance, Your futures in good.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Hands used Talks NB six twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Reading between the lines, I would think we're going to
have to push this well, based on what the hope
will tell us next week, we probably will have to
push the surpace out again. Is that what we're thinking.
After the interviewed Nichola Willis and didn't like the tone
of it and says, Ryan cut it out. That was
rude to listen to. Normally, I love listening to you,
not today. Another Dina says, well that was pretty disgusting.

Speaker 19 (01:20:48):
Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Fancy speaking to Nicola like that, calling her a slippery turd. Now, technically, Dina,
what I did was read a text from Luke. Okay,
I'm putting this on Luke Luke's that it sounded like
that what was being described was as slippery as a
turd in the spring rain. That's harmless. I know Nichola Willis,

(01:21:09):
and Nichola Willis is not going to be offended by
what Luke said. Okay, And besides, it's our job if
we're going to push what other bigger issue do you
want out there that we would ask hard questions about
then getting back to surplus, which is what this government
was elected to do twenty six after six Now there's

(01:21:30):
no business like show business. Don't get your hopes up.
I know what you know what this music is. We're
not getting another season of Just Like That or another
terrible sequel to the Sex and the City movies. But

(01:21:53):
the wedding bells have been ringing for Kim Cattrall. This
is Samantha from Sex in the City. So I put
you in my weird I Never Getting Married file, and
now I'm gonna have to take you out of that.
She's sixty nine years old, and she has revealed she
got hitched last week to her longtime partner, audio engineer
Russell Thomas, who was fifteen years younger than her. Thank

(01:22:13):
you very much, so Art life, imitation, et cetera. Apparently
the ceremony was intimate, with only twelve guests in attendance
at the Chelsea Old Town Hall. Kim wanted nothing to
do with the Sex and the City spin off series,
just like that, but the show's costume designers styled her
for the big day, so clearly she still has friends
from her on set days. She wore a deal suit

(01:22:36):
with champagne colored jacket and custom made hat and white
lace gloves. Very Samantha. The couple has been going out
for almost ten years after Russell Thomas started following her
on Twitter. There you go twenty seven after six News
Talks have beat.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's full
on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor
Vehicle Insurance.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
Your future is in good hands. News Talks EBB.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Twenty five away from seven on NEWSTALKSB. We'll get to
the UK before seven o'clock. If you've been to Queenstown,
you'll know about the traffic. It's basically terrible. Well, I
mean it's terrible at the times you would expect traffic
to be terrible. And what the trick is to stay
at the Hilton across the Wakatipu and then get the
boat over. That's the trick for young players. Anyway, Rod
Drury wants to solve all this. He's backing a quite

(01:23:36):
a I think brilliant idea to get a gondola going
the length of Franklin Road. Well we go up the
hill and then back down to the city center, but
from the airport to Queenstown CBD, if that's what you
want to call it. He's backing it, and it's public transport.
It would be privately funded about four hundred million dollars
I think mostly privately funded. Great idea. Don't need a car,

(01:24:00):
there's too many cars. Frankton Road has ten will have
this year ten million car journeys on it and it
doubles apparently the number wanting to use it every thirteen years,
so big traffic problem. Gondola seems like a no brainer
to me. And it's had today endorsement from the Infrastructure
Commission for stage one of wanting to get onto the

(01:24:20):
fast track, so it basically has taken a little step
forward in terms of wanting to get onto the fast track.
I just say, get it done. Did you know if
you've been to Queenston recently. The roundabout that they're building.
But by the BP, you know when you come out
of the airport and you turn left to go into town.
The roundabout situation that's happening, that's still happening and will
apparently is a four year project. Guess how much that

(01:24:40):
is going to cost. I was absolutely blown away when
I heard this. It's going to cost two hundred and
fifty million.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Dollars, Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
I know smaller electricity retailers and generators are worried that
impending reforms to the power market won't create the level
playing for that we have been promised it will. The
Electricity Authority has proposed a non discrimination rule that will
force the gent tailors to play fear when they're deciding
where to sell power to their own retail arms or
to other retailers. The smaller players Octopus Energy, two Degrees,

(01:25:15):
Electric key We and some other smaller players. They've now
written to the EA saying this rule doesn't go far enough.
Who are you Bert? Is Electric key We CEO? And
is with me?

Speaker 19 (01:25:24):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Who are good evening?

Speaker 27 (01:25:25):
Good evening? Ryan?

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
How much further does it need to go? What do
you want to happen.

Speaker 27 (01:25:32):
Our proposal for the non discrimination obligations is that it
should apply to all the generation that the gentailers supply
to their own retail arms. In the current form of
these rules, it's only applying to what's called uncommitted capacity,

(01:25:55):
which could end up being a very very small, insignificant
amount out of the total volume, and that just doesn't
create the level playing field that we need.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Right what proportion of the output is it.

Speaker 27 (01:26:09):
We actually don't know the exact proportion, but it could
be as low as zero if you interpreted the rules
to their fullest extent. There is going to be more
debate on this between the industry and the authority in
the coming days, but we think that effectively it's insignificant

(01:26:30):
to create the level of competition that is going to
create downward pressure on electricity prices for.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Kiwis and the definition bit to Lucy Goosey for your liking.
By the sounds of it too, we are what about
this idea that instead, in terms of a consumer like
you know, I buy electricity, instead of them lowering the
price at which they charge the smaller retailers, they just

(01:26:56):
don't give themselves the same sweetheart deal and keep the
price higher for all consumers across the board.

Speaker 22 (01:27:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:27:06):
So what we think, Ryan, is that the problem and
I know that there has been a lot of commentary
from the gentail to say, hey, this is actually going
to push up the price of electricity for consumers because
we are cross subsidizing it. We think the problem should
actually be flipped. Why are those contract prices that they're

(01:27:28):
earning off this generation so high? So it's not that
reta that consumers the prices that they're paying should be higher.
In fact, they should be much lower because we can
see that the long run cost of this generation investment
is actually around you know, forty to fifty dollars permega

(01:27:48):
what are lower than what the contract market is. So
what we think is what you need is rules to
actually enforce the levels of competition that will bring those
content check prices down and then that's better for all all.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Kiwis Hell, we appreciate your time this evening. Who we
bought the electric key we CEO it is twenty to
seven newspalkers. You're news talks will get to the UK
a UK europe correspondent shortly. The lou Well we've seen
as we're going to be in that region. Anyway, I'm
telling you about the Louver Museum in Paris, so you
know they have the breaking terrible. Obviously the Crown jewels

(01:28:28):
gone in an instant. Well now they've got a water leak,
so they're open valve in the French music win. This
is about all you'll get at the Louver at the
moment because the water leak has damaged several hundred works
in the Egyptian department. Apparently three hundred to four hundred

(01:28:48):
works have been affected by this leak. And the problem
with this is same one with the breaking. The French
go and spend all of their budget. This is the
management at the museum go and spend all of their
budget on buying new art instead of actually fixing doing
what luck some would call the basics. Well, so fixing
the leaks in the roof, doing the repairs and the security.

(01:29:10):
They had a budget of one hundred and fifty million
dollars for repairs and they spent just three million euros.
Between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty four, just three million
euros were spent on repairs that needed to be done
of one hundred and fifty million dollar budget and same
went for security, very little when on the security that
they said that they needed. And what do you end

(01:29:31):
up with holes in the roof and the Crown jewels
missing nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
To seven, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the
business hours with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor Vehicle insurance.
Your futures in goodas used talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
It is sixteen minutes away from seven Ryan. Can you
please tell me why the roundabout in Queenstown is going
to cost a quarter of a billion dollars. It's a
very good question. So here's the article that I was
reading earlier. Two hundred and fifty million dollar bill for
Queenstown Roundabout. This is from the fourth of April twenty
twenty four. The cost of upgrading the roundabout at the BP.

(01:30:09):
You'll know it if you've been there. This is Frankton
Road has swelled to a quarter of a billion dollars.
Transport Minister. This was Simme and Brown announced it back
in twenty twenty four. The cost increased from one hundred
and fifteen million to two hundred and fifty and the
project will take four years. He was reported as saying
they had chosen to prioritize it because it would unlock

(01:30:29):
housing flagged for development. This is it, Ladies Mile. Now,
what you're getting in addition to what was initially planned
was an expanded bus hub and some signals that were
being added to Joe O'Connell Drive to help make entry
and exit at the event center more efficient. Beyond that,
I can't see that there was much else added to it.
So why does a roundabout cost a quarter of a

(01:30:51):
billion dollars? Honestly, I can't answer that question. Brian Bridge
quarter to seven. Gavin Gray, a UK correspondent with US
Gavin good evening hither right now, there's a report outloaded
this week and to COVID nineteen support programs and how
much they've cost taxpayers, and.

Speaker 11 (01:31:08):
It's looking pretty grim. It's going to be over twenty
two billion New Zealand dollars lost through fraud and error.
So the government set up something called the COVID Counter
Fraud Commissioner and he's releasing this report later on and
he's going to say that apparently frauds has exploited what
he's calling a golden opportunity to apply their unruly trade

(01:31:32):
with COVID era policies initiated by the previous Conservative government
and that's the big thing here. Of course, COVID happened
under the Conservatives. We now have a labor government and
those schemes were really meant to try and keep people
in work. So there was the furlough wage subsidy. Those
who were placed on furlough, we're given a subsidy top

(01:31:53):
up to their wage when employers dropped it, a bit
bounce back loans for companies, and also a program called
eat Out Help Out where they encourage people to go
into restaurants by setting a menu for ten pounds and
the government would contribute to ten pounds as well as
well as one off grants. Now, they were all credited
with propping up the economy, but the criticism appears to

(01:32:13):
be the speed of the role out of financial support
was too quick and it lacked eligibility checks, which led
to widespread error and fraud. No doubt ministers at the
time would say we didn't have time to hang around,
people were losing their jobs, there was lockdown, etc. That
the scale of this fraud is truly shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Messa. Did you say more than twenty billion.

Speaker 11 (01:32:35):
Yeah, yeah, Well it's going to be sort of nearer
twenty four billion New Zealand dollars in totally.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
We had a guy who's just been put in prison
here in New Zealand. He was one point eight million
dollars on which you basically stole from the Health department
here for services that were never actually delivered anyway, there
was obviously a lot of it going on. You've got
a similar problem in the UK that we have here.
This is young people unemployed in Government's got a bit
of a solution.

Speaker 11 (01:33:02):
Yes, So the government is due to announce a little
later today a package of about one and a half
billion New Zealand dollars covering the next three years, which
will create apprenticeships in sectors including here we go, AI,
hospitality and engineering. Now these will be apprenticeships for people
under the age of twenty five at small and medium

(01:33:23):
sized business and these apprenticeships are going to be fully
funded as part of a package, removing a current five
percent that the bosses currently have to pay. And this
is all about a massive spike in the number of
people who are not in education, employment or training. In
other words, they are simply not doing anything with their time.

(01:33:47):
And that figure has remained stubbornly high in the UK at.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
Almost one million.

Speaker 8 (01:33:52):
Now.

Speaker 11 (01:33:52):
The fear is as this younger age group goes through
the decades and if they're still not in employment, education
or training, that will have a massive impact on tax
intake of course, which will have a massive impact on
pensions and other government spending. And so consequently, this government's
saying now wants apprenticeships to be looked at in the same.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Way of degrees.

Speaker 11 (01:34:16):
I think I must have heard that about three or
four times from politicians in the last twenty years. But
also look to create these big three hundred and fifty
thousand training and work experience placements in total. We will
wait to see the announcement more fully and hear the
reaction from employers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
All right now to the loove, I was just telling
the listeners about the story out of Paris and so
the roofs leaking. You know, these jewels are being stolen.
What do you think people in Paris do they are
they outraged about? What's the money that isn't being spent
on things like fixing roofs and dealing with security.

Speaker 11 (01:34:55):
I think it's a national embarrassment as well. The President
has said as much and add to that list as well,
structural weaknesses, prompting the partial closure of one of the
galleries hosting Greek vases and offices. So I mean, if
it's been a few months of absolute shock for the
French people to have their you know, their national pride

(01:35:16):
dented in such a way. The Louver is the most
visited museum in the world, but now we learn that
three to four hundred works, mostly books, affected by this league. However,
that's not the end of it. More books have been damaged,
we just haven't got the full count yet, caused by
a leak discovered a couple of weeks back. But that
leak had been known for years, with repairs scheduled for

(01:35:38):
next year. And one of the things as well that's
happening run is that for New Zealand citizens non Europeans,
the entry fee is doubling. Let's hope they can sort
this out, although I have to say I think a
lot fewer people will be visiting the Louver. I think
it's now up to something like seventy New Zealand dollars
to get in.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Well, givin thank you for that. Givin gray a uk
corus on it it is ten to seven. See, I
would still go for seventeen New Zealand dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
Would you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
I mean you're going to You're going all the way
to the other end of the earth and you want
to see the Mona Lisa, don't you? So you're still
going to pay it, which is the same argument. You
know people said here, oh, don't put a tourist tax old,
they'll never come. I don't think it's going to put
people off at all. Are you're coming all that way,
you might as well throw an extra fifty bucks in.
It is nine to seven News Talks VB.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
It's the heather too for see allan drive full show
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Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
News Talks EDB seven minutes away from the seven. So
we've had a poll out tonight if you're just joining
us the TV and Z variant pole. And basically it
confirms that National should not have done a little pre
Christmas dagger daggers in the caucus room and get rid
of Luxen because the coalition would if held tomorrow, the
Coalition would win the election again, providing Winston goes with

(01:36:53):
Labor and even if he even sorry, providing Winston goes
and stays with the coalition. But even if he went
with Labor, they wouldn't have enough to govern alone. They
would have to get support from to Party Marty and
from the Greens and as Winston ever, like, I don't
think you can trust him on going with Labour because
he's done that before. We all know that. But would
he go with Labor to Party Marty and the Greens. No,

(01:37:14):
he never would. So that's just not a scenario at
this point that would actually bear any fruit or is
worth sort of consideration based on these numbers. Anyway, By
the way, the Greens have their supports tanked down four
percent from eleven to seven percent, and to Party Marty
voters are just going you guys are just not serious.
You're you know, you're a mess. Lowis result in five

(01:37:38):
years for them, down on one percent for to Party
Marty that's down two on their previous poll. You're on
News Talk c B. Thanks so much for all of
your texts and all of your feedback this evening, very
much appreciated. What are we going out? Well, I know
who this is ants, who's Katy Perry, And I know
why you're doing it?

Speaker 13 (01:37:57):
Yeah, okay, why am I doing it?

Speaker 8 (01:37:59):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Just in their Instagram official.

Speaker 13 (01:38:01):
They have gone Instagram official.

Speaker 9 (01:38:02):
That's right, the worst kept secret and celebrity and form
of politician dating.

Speaker 13 (01:38:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:38:07):
So Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau appear to be an item.
They've shared a post where they've got lots of photos
where they're all cuddling up and eating dinner together and
doing other couple of things. And I think Justin in
the same post put a bunch of stuff from when
he met with the former Japanese Prime Minister Fumiokishi as well,
So clearly he's just doing the what is it like
for them? The autumn dump, just the autnance ig dump.

Speaker 13 (01:38:27):
Just all there. Oh dating Katy Perry, Yeah, I went
to Japan, etcetera, etcetera. Next life update in three months everybody.

Speaker 27 (01:38:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Do you think they're well matched. I think they're both
like looking at they're both as hot as each other,
they're both as famous as each other.

Speaker 9 (01:38:42):
I wonder, is is there like a famous person like
bumble or something where you just go around there is
are you and it?

Speaker 13 (01:38:49):
No famous person?

Speaker 7 (01:38:51):
Know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
I'm happily married and I'm not famous, and I'm from
New Zealand, so even if I was, it's pathetic. However,
there is and it's apparently it's just filled with only fans. People.

Speaker 13 (01:39:04):
Ah, they're certainly famous. Yeah, firework is the song we go.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Have a great night everyone, Let you go.

Speaker 18 (01:39:26):
Boom you.

Speaker 13 (01:39:47):
Can as you show.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
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