Full Show Podcast: 08 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper C Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage like
no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
They'd be afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Police Minister Mark
Mitchell with the latest on the search for the kids.
After five, the PPTA on why they're telling the secondary
school teachers to reject that payoffer simplicity. Chief economist Charma
Bill Yakub on why the Winston Peters Key we save
our idea might be a little tricky and we'll have
the Finance Minister Nichola Willis as usual on a Monday.
After six, Heather duper Cy Ellen, Man, what a terrible

(00:35):
outcome today a for those children especially, got to be
thinking about them. I'm going to bring you up to
speed with what we know. Police have just held a
press conference in the last forty minutes. They say they're
still looking for the two youngest children. Nine and ten
are the ages. They seem to have some idea roughly
of where in the bush they may be. When I
say roughly, I do not mean that is a small

(00:57):
area by any means, but they have sort of a
rough idea of where the kids may be. They've got
fifty police in their searching, they've got the Armed Defenders
Squad for obvious reasons, police negotiating teams, specialist police staff
and so on. They're pretty confident they have got sufficient
resources to be able to find the kids. But they
have only got, as the police have pointed out, about

(01:17):
two and a half hours of daylight left to find them.
And it's going to get cold tonight again. Temperature there
is going to plummet down to pretty close to freezing.
The child who is safe appears to be Jada, the
twelve year old, the eldest, and Jada does appear to
be helping the police. Someone else, though, appears to be
helping the family. At least, that is the impression that

(01:38):
you have to get from the way that the police
are talking. Police have issued a public appeal a number
of times during that press conference, saying this must end now.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
You only say it like that because you think somebody
is going to hear that, And the only people who
can hear that are people who are still connected to
TV media and so on. Right, so that suggests that
they believe people are still helping them. The officer just
give you an update. They're the officer who was shot
in the head has undergone surgery, will need a lot
more surgery by the looks of things, being in a
hospital for a fair amount of time. He's a constable,

(02:07):
has been injured a number of times with high pressured
rifle and at close range a high powered rifle. Rather
now already I've had messages this morning, and looking back
through the text machine, I can see the text machine
has had similar messages. Are pretty angry about this situation
and blaming people variously, blaming the police for laying the
spikes and trying to catch Tom Phillips, blaming the people

(02:30):
who helped him for facilitating this and dragging it on. No,
if you're blaming the cops for this, and if you're
blaming someone else who helped this family, you're blaming the
wrong people. This is no one else's fault, but Tom
Phillips is. It doesn't matter whether you think that his
motivation was good. It doesn't matter whether you think he
was a good dad or a bad dad, or entitled
to take off in the way that he has. He

(02:50):
opened fire this morning on a police officer, and that
is anexcusable You can't shoot at anyone, but least of
all a police officer. It is no one else's fault
that has gone this way other than his. Now, I
feel sick for those two children. In fact, I feel
sick for all three children. I feel sick for the
eldest one who had to witness her father dying. I
feel sick for those other two children waiting for their
dad and sister to come home wherever that is, and

(03:12):
it's not happening. I hope to God that the police
track them down as quickly as possibly as possible, and
track them down safely without exchange of fire. And I
hope that they can recover from what is an impossibly
grim thing for kids of this age to have to experience.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
Heather DOOPERLA Seeking.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Nineteen nine two is the text number. Standard text fees
apply now. Police. As I said, have just spoken very
not very long ago at the Cordon News talk Z'DB
journalist Jordan Done was there and was with us. Now, Hey, Jordan, Hey,
ever any idea where they're searching.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
Well, that's kind of the interesting thing about this, As
you said, one of the children they are talking to
and they say is cooperating. Well, but what the indication
they've got from this child is that there's no exact
place for her. As you were saying earlier, they're saying,
the search is kind of a bunch of spots, which
is in this as you know, as you know, a
very dense bush area. And so they've got all these

(04:08):
people out, they got fifty police officers, they got the
Eagle helicopter around. I guess they're just doing everything they
can before it goes dark to search for these two kids.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
What was the impression that you got from the way
that the police were talking about whether the kids are
accompanied or not.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
It sounds uncertain, I think, but they do say that
there's a good chance that they're alone. But the key
there is that they're not making any assumptions. They're going
out there as if there is the possibility that they
are being aided. They're going about this like there is
a chance that there are people who are helping them
hide perhaps, And I think all of that means that
they're going to be doing this very meticulously, very strategically,

(04:44):
and the off chance that that is the case that
they aren't actually alone.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, and body is still the body of Tom Phillips
still lying where he was shot.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
We're at the Courton, which is kind of an intersection,
which is on the way to Matakopa. But we actually
can't see the body. We can't see the scenic examination
anything like that. The impression is that it's quite a
way down the road. There are police coming and going.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
They arrive.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
Was even an ambulance coming earlier. We know it's not
though associated with the children, and that's what they've said.
They haven't given an indication of when it's going to leave.
They have told us to see an examination is still
taking place.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
What are they taken from earlier this morning from PGG writes.

Speaker 7 (05:20):
And.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
They were earlier they weren't actually telling us the sort
of saying it was farming supplies. So they have told
us now that it appears to be closed. It appears
to be you know, shoes, just that sort of thing.
It just sounds like basic necessities are nothing, you know,
nothing like weapons or along those lines.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Okay, your no other press conference is scheduled for the
rest of the day, are they.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
Well, they said, not not schedule at this stage, but
they said if they do find the children, they're going
to let us know as soon as possible. So it's
the view there is a very there is a chance
that we're going to be hearing later this evening. Other
than that they're going to be searching through the night.
They tell us, hopefully we'll have an update sometime tomorrow.
They're going to be doing it around author of Hunger
that I believe most of the police and media station there, and.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
That's why listen, Jordan, just a question. I've got a
text to here saying why don't the police take the
young one, the twelve year old, and actually go bush
with her and try to find the family here?

Speaker 6 (06:10):
That the ex one question, and I asked the cops
that myself, why don't you bring the kid out here?
Ask them to point out where they're going, that sort
of thing, And they didn't rule it out. So there
is the possibility that are still going to happen. But
I do want to mention that the burglary last night
was in the middle of the night, so there's not
the full possibility that they could point out where it is,
considering they would have left this area in pitch darkness,

(06:32):
which is actually an interesting point as well. When the
police officer came upon Tom Phillips, they said, it was
a complete surprise because, as I said, it was pitch black.
They had no idea where they were it happened.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, absolutely, Jordan, thanks very much, but I appreciate it.
Jordan done newstalksz'db journalists. Now what we have got which
is available online, so you can head to the Herald's website.
You will see it. There are photographs of the scene
where Tom Phillips has died. And what you can see
from that that you're not going to see the body,
it's been blurred out. You are gonna see is kind
of how close everything is. The shooting was really close range.

(07:04):
Right this is this is Tom Phillips opening fire on
the police officer. And remember it's with high powered rifle.
His body phil Phillips's body is probably lying I reckon,
only five or six meters away from the front of
the police car. The police car has the driver door open,
also has the passenger door behind that open, also has
and I think you can read into this the boot open.

(07:25):
At least four bullets have pierced the front window. Will
bring you updates as we go along. And of course,
as I said to you earlier, Mark Mitchell, police ministers
with us after five fourteen past four.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
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Speaker 3 (07:43):
Hither, I sincerely agree with you completely, and I hope
that we don't make a movie out of this, but
probably somebody will. That's actually a good point. Seventeen past four.

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Speaker 3 (07:56):
Jason Pine Sports Talk Hoosters of Mellow Piney. Hello, Whither,
What did I say to your Friday? I said, don't worry,
we got it in the bag?

Speaker 5 (08:02):
You did say that?

Speaker 8 (08:03):
And then what was it?

Speaker 3 (08:04):
First try? Within three minutes?

Speaker 5 (08:05):
I know, so quick?

Speaker 9 (08:06):
And then fourteen mil up after twenty minutes. This is
going the way we hoped, and everything was looking good
and look, I think the All Blacks probably had control
for the most part, but South Africa just kept on coming,
didn't they as they do. And then there was that
turnover by Ardi at the end. We thought, hey, great, fantastic,
But even then there was a twist because South Africa
got the ball back and almost made it twenty four all.
But I just thought it was an epic test match.

(08:27):
The atmosphere, the South African fans really brought into it.
My goodness, there were so many of them. The anthems
were amazing, every part of it and the right result
for All Blacks fans. I guess the trick now is
doing it again in what five days time in Wellington.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
You know normally what happens with the All Blacks is
that they they were kind of touched to this on
Friday right when they're nervous. They play really well well
when they complace it, they dropped the ball. What do
you reckon their vibe is going into Wellington.

Speaker 9 (08:55):
I think it might be a recognition of what you
just said and saying, Okay, we can't be we can't
drop at all down because just because we had a
big win and it was a big win, Eden Park, Fortress,
South Africa, double World champions, Artie's hundredth, all that stuff.
They have to find a way to recreate that urgency
without those things.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Because their bloody had to work for it. They do Saturday,
so that shoots nothing to be complacent about.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Them, and South Africa went great.

Speaker 9 (09:19):
I didn't think. I thought they made a lot of
uncharacteristic errors. They'll come again and the last thing they'll
want is a two nil serious sweep in New Zealand,
so the All Blacks will have to lift again and
maybe that will be enough for them to lift again.
I think it'll be intriguing to see the team, the names.
I think it'll be pretty similar Rassie Rasmus has gone
back to his Monday night shenanigans. He's naming his team tonight,

(09:40):
five days out. You never know what we're going to
get from Rassi. I love him so yeah, all sorts
of storylines and I think we're in for another intriguing test.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Do you reckon that he truly believed they could do
it on Saturday nights?

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Rassi?

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah? Absolutely, do you reckon?

Speaker 9 (09:53):
He is the he is the utmost confidence in himsel
he would have been Yeah, and I saw some shots
on the and the co and of course it's all emotional,
but yeah, he would have absolutely believed they could be
the ones to break it. Because now they're gonna have
to wait. You know, it's the one thing they haven't done.
They've beaten us in World Cups, they've beaten us in
the last four test matches, still haven't broken that even

(10:14):
pass cover.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Though, Pony, I mean, look for those Saffa boys. Right,
this is the kind of pounding they give each other
the whole time, so they're probably kind of used to it.
But can now boys get their bodies back?

Speaker 9 (10:23):
That's a great question. And I spoke to talmoty Ellison
about this on my show yesterday and he said, well,
we have to. We have to. There's no other option.
We are elite sports people. We have to recover.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Because you're right, I am the CREA team all that stuff.

Speaker 9 (10:34):
Just do whatever is required. That's why they may look
at some changes if guys are really beaten up, and
they'll just be tweaks, not wholesale. But they have to
they have to turn around and do it all again.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Okay, so Saturday we are watching the Warriors for an
hour and then we're really then we're then we're stuffed.

Speaker 9 (10:50):
Yeah, it's such I mean, it's just an indication of
how of what the NRL thinks of New Zealand sports fans.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Really, the Warrior did somebody press, did somebody ask them
to change the time?

Speaker 9 (10:59):
Cameron jaw which went to the Warrior. I went to
the NRAL and said, hey, how about this will kickoff
at five o'clock here in New Zealand and then the
All Blacks will be at seven. It's four hours of
a sporting extravaganza for New Zealand fans. And URL said, no,
we don't want to three o'clock kickoff on the eastern
seaboard of Australia turned it down, so they gave it
to go. That's what Cameron George wanted was a five

(11:20):
o'clock New Zealand on a Saturday. Now we have to
as you say, WA's first half and then you make
a choice or your double screen or you go somewhere
with there's lots of screens.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
I mean, look, let's be honest about it. You're going
to watch the first half, by which point the Panthers
are beating us comprehensively, and co't you? But isn't that realistic?
That's possible.

Speaker 9 (11:36):
That's one possibility.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
It's most likely one though, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (11:39):
It's a possibility. Let's chat on Friday and do our predictions.
You got you got? I think you picked Manly on Friday.
Didn't you to beat the Warriors?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
I don't know that I made any predictions. Your prediction
was just squarely wrong.

Speaker 9 (11:50):
It was And you're on about the All Blacks was right,
so I'm going to I'm going to take the count
from you more ready.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Ever you picked the all blacks as well. All right, Piney, listen,
thank you so much.

Speaker 10 (11:59):
Said that's talk.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Again on Friday, and we'll get a little update then
and see how things are going. Four twenty one. Piney's
back at seven, by the way for Sports Talk.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
The day's newspeakers.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Talk to Heather first, Heather Duplessy, elland drive with One
New Zealand and the Power of satellite Mobile news Talk Senvo.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Chris Luxen's obviously I'm at the post cabinet press conference
right now speaking to the media and he's been asked
about the death of Tom Phillips.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
I mean, it's a sad and absolutely tragic event.

Speaker 11 (12:27):
I mean, this is not what anybody wanted to happen today,
and I think that is a consistent feeling from everybody
across New Zealand. You know, we are used to seeing
these stories from other parts of the world, but not
hearing New Zealand. And it's certainly a very, very sad
and tragic day.

Speaker 7 (12:42):
We use a country let those children down again.

Speaker 11 (12:44):
I'm not going to comment or speculate on that I
think today is a day where we really want our
police focused on finding those children.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
We're going to speak to Mark Mitchell, police police Minister
at the five o'clock. Lance Boudette, actually former police negotiator,
is also going to talk to us about what kind
of tactics the police will be using right now to
try to get those those kids out of the bush.
One of the questions coming through on the text machines
are the police using thermal drones to aid the search.
When the police were holding their press conference, you could
hear the chopper going overhead. That's the Eagle from Auckland.

(13:12):
That the Eagle chopper is equipped with infrared cameras or
an infrared camera and basically is able to do the
heat seeking in the night. So trouble though, bearing in mind,
Trouble is up to now hasn't actually been able to
find them despite the use of the eagle. So you know,
you remember I mean, and this is the point that's
come through on the text machine. These maybe kids, but

(13:32):
the kids who have spent four years in the bush,
so they know what they're doing and they know how
to not get found. And if they're trying to not
get found, they will not get found. If they are
looking for assistance, you'll be able to find them. Then
listen Aaron Petterson. Patterson just crack update on what's going
on here. Aaron Patterson, the mushroom chef, has been given
life in prison a non parole period of thirty three years. Apparently,

(13:54):
she showed no emotion whatsoever as she as the judgment
was read out as kind of surprising in that there
is no parole period for her, so she would have
been surprised by it, as surprised as everybody's sitting and
listening to it. Apparently showed no emotion as that was
read out, except for when the judge mentioned the intense
media scrutiny that she had faced. At that moment, her

(14:15):
eyes snapped open. She scowled over at the press sitting nearby,
and then as she walked out, she tapped the media
bench twice as if to say, I'm coming at you
with my beef Wellington, So whatever you do. You're in
the media in Australia, and she actually I've got some Actually, actually,
I do have to tell you this really quickly as well.
She is only allowed to communicate with one other prisoner

(14:38):
who is in there, she's not allowed to talk to
anybody else. The only other prisoner she's allowed to talk
with is a convicted terrorist with a history of attacking
other inmates. Aaron Patterson's social interaction in prison is limited
to speaking through a mesh fence with that notorious terrorist
jailed for forty two years for stabbing her Melbourne homes
stay host in the neck erin. According to the judge,

(15:01):
didn't ask to be able to speak to this person.
This was decided by a corrections officer on her behalf.
So I think we can see maybe somebody thought, hmmm,
it's going to be a fun time in jail for
you if you try talking to old made over there anyway,
Oli Peterson is going to update us out of Australia
very shortly. News is next. You can.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
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Speaker 4 (15:48):
Head.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
It was a full moon last night. It was not dark.
That's that is apropos what the acting Police Commissioner said,
which was acting Assistant Police Commissioner sorry, which was that
she said it was dark so the cop who was
coming around the corner wouldn't have known what he was still,
I mean, he was still coming around the corner, wouldn't
have seen what he wouldn't have known what he was
coming upon. But still I take your point. It wasn't
that dark last night, if it was a full night. Now,

(16:10):
Christopher Luxon's been asked in this post cabinet press conference
where he has confidence in the police investigation to find
the kids, given that he had in the lead up
to what's happened today Tom Phillips and the kids, given
that he called him a fugitive and they were missing
for almost four years.

Speaker 11 (16:25):
Well, look, I mean, I think there will be a
series of questions to ask in due course, but today
just isn't that day.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
No, it's too right now. Lots of things happened in
politics over the weekend. We had the Tamaki Makodo by election.
We had the defection from Stewart Nash to New Zealand. First,
Barry Sopa will be with us in ten minutes to
talk us through all of that. Twenty four away from five.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
So the Marshroom Chef has been sentenced to life in
prison with a non parole period of thirty three years.
She will be eighty one by the time she qualifies
getting out of jail again. Just as Christopher Beale explained
why he decided to impose a non place role period
rather than just going for life with life without parole.

Speaker 12 (17:03):
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the likely prospect of solitary confinement for the foreseeable future
are important and weighty considerations which should count for something
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Speaker 3 (18:19):
Oliver Peterson sixty hour per life Resenters with us Aloli. Hello, Heather,
So why did he go for the old non parole.

Speaker 14 (18:25):
Then, well, as you heard him explain, there she'll be
in twenty two hours a day of solitary confinements.

Speaker 8 (18:31):
So they're harsh and strict conditions.

Speaker 14 (18:32):
But you know what, I don't think it's enough. I
really do not think it is enough. Because he also
goes on to say that this falls into the worst
category for murder and attempted murder. The victim impacts statement
read in court revealed the immense the ongoing suffering felt
by the loved ones of Patterson's victims. Now this happens,
It's not as though this hasn't been a judgment that

(18:53):
has been made in a sentencing, But in thirty three
years time, all of a sudden there will be the
realization that it is not long enough. Will she will
never be released, but could put the family sor all
this pain in this anguish again unnecessarily in twenty and
twenty five years time. So from my point of view,
it should be life. Life should be life. Aaron Patterson

(19:14):
has never revealed exactly her motivation as to why she
did this, and she is the only one who knows
why she actually committed these crimes. She didn't even reveal
anything during the sentencing process or during the court case.

Speaker 8 (19:27):
But you've heard there from the judge.

Speaker 14 (19:29):
She'll be in solitary confinement for twenty two hours a
day for the next thirty three years. And the only
other person in that cell that or in that particular
part of the prison that she is going to be
in if she's not successful on some sort of appeal,
is a terrorist. So there wouldn't be a great conversation
to be out of the next sept a.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Terrorist who has a history of attacking other inmates. So
why did they decide that these are the two that
need to have little chats with each other exactly right.

Speaker 8 (19:53):
I don't get that. I just think that, you know,
he talks tough.

Speaker 14 (19:56):
He delivered it for fifty minutes, Justice Christopher Beale, but
I just think he could have been a bit a
bit tougher.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, okay, you're a tough man to please. I'll tell
you that.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Now, how do you guys feel about the Sydney that
I a getting a million bucks from the Aussie government.

Speaker 14 (20:10):
Well, this is all part of the you know, building
better relations is in it between our countries. And you
might think that I'm joining some pretty wild conspiracy theories
or dots here Heather, but hear me out for a moment.
We're about to open a brand new airport in Western
Sydney which does not at this stage you'll have a
confirmed airline flying in and out in New Zealand have
said they'll do it.

Speaker 8 (20:29):
So has Singapore Airline, so has Quantus.

Speaker 14 (20:31):
But I believe this is all about also creating a
little bit of traffic.

Speaker 8 (20:35):
I mean, there's not gonna be.

Speaker 14 (20:36):
Any issue in terms of obviously Kiweis wanted to come
to Australian and vice versa. But if you think about it,
you've got something like six hundred odd thousand New Zealanders
living in this country, a lot of them in western Sydney,
so that does make sense opening this airport next year.
We need to make sure that Air New Zealand wants
to find a Sydney and back out over in New
Zealand and keep bringing Kiwe's.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Across the ditch.

Speaker 14 (20:55):
That's my joining of the dots as to why this
is happening. It's not getting I'll be blunt front page
news here in Australia or widely discussed on talkback around
the country at the moment.

Speaker 8 (21:05):
But I think it's just about building better relations.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Oh interesting, okay, Now what's your problem with the Aussie
flag business.

Speaker 14 (21:10):
Well, I think it's unfortunately becoming a symbol of division personally,
and you've seen that sort of hijacked at those rallies
last weekend. You just sent a price last week taken
into the Senate. She's told it's a prop she can't
take it in there. Warren Mundin, who is now of
the Center of Independent Studies, he was a Liberal Party candidate.
He believes that it is an Australian that we're banning
the Australian flag from the Senate because you can take

(21:33):
all sorts of props, like you could take a fish
into the Senate if you're like you'd got a whole
fish or a surfboard, but you can't take it in
the Australian flag. Which look, yeah, there's an argument that's
a bit stupid, let's be blunts. But unfortunately, the whole
idea of this flag obviously is to unite our country
and it just seems to be being used as a
symbol of division and that is making it a lot
harder I think for all Australians to well, ultimately.

Speaker 8 (21:55):
What they want to do is united under that flag.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well, who do you blame for that?

Speaker 5 (21:59):
Everybody?

Speaker 8 (22:00):
Now, honestly everybody.

Speaker 14 (22:00):
I also blame the Prime Minister for this because he
stands with three flags behind himself, so he's prepared to
basically say this flag doesn't represent all. So that gives
everybody else the opportunity to say this flag doesn't represent all.
And unfortunately that flag our flag, the national flag.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I see what you were saying. Sorry, when you said
three flags, I thought three Australian flags, but you're saying
three different kinds of flags.

Speaker 14 (22:21):
Correct, Yeah, he stands out of the indigenous flag, the
Torres State Islander flag and the fact that you know,
even you go back five years ago here that on
Australia Day, everybody had a flag on their car.

Speaker 8 (22:30):
Now nobody does.

Speaker 14 (22:31):
Yeah, because you're almost embarrassed to hold the flag upcause
you think, well they might think I'm a racist.

Speaker 8 (22:35):
Yeah, yeah, we lost the plot.

Speaker 15 (22:37):
YEP.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
I think it does start with the politicians actually, Ollie,
that's very much appreciate it, mate, look after yourself. Oliver
Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter Heather Duples see Allen family.
The mother of the children the tom Phillips children, has
put out a statement today basically saying relieved that the
situation has come to an end. I mean I think
she might be a little bit premature there. There's a
fair but fair way to go obviously trying to find

(22:58):
the other two kids. Saddened at how things have unfolded,
has expressed ardor heart to the police officer who was injured,
and then says, as afaro, we're attempting now to work
in cooperation with the relevant government agencies to support the
safe return and reconnection of our Tamaki. They have endured
a long and difficult journey and we ask for privacy
as we help them adjust and reintegrate into a stable

(23:19):
and loving environment. Now, teachers strike, Joe's strikes coming out
our eyeballs at the moment anyway, Okay, so the teachers strike.
So the government has come back to the PPTA, the
Secondary Teachers Union, and said, cool, you don't like the offer,
we'll double it, well kind of ish, Yeah, Well, oh,
it's pretty close to double yet because the offer beforehand

(23:42):
was one percent increase, one percent to increase, one percent increase,
and this time it's over two years now, not three,
and it's a two point five percent increase in a
two point one percent increase, so it's gone up considerably.
The PPTA, it will not surprise you at all, has
recommended that its members reject the government's pay. So we're
going to talk to them about that. After half past five.
Barry Sopers next seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
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Speaker 3 (24:08):
Fourteen away from five. Barry so Per, senior political correspondent,
is with us.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Barry.

Speaker 16 (24:11):
Hello, good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Right, So Chris Luckson's spoken about the Tom Phillips shooting.

Speaker 16 (24:15):
Well, you can imagine the beehive has been on the
phone to the police all day, Mark Mitchell, police minister.
I know you're going to be talking to him after five.
Chris Luckson started his news conference off post cabinet, commenting
on it. Luxon has been briefed on the shooting and
got briefed as soon as he got off a plane
this morning, and he reflected on how most New Zealanders

(24:38):
will be feeling at the moment.

Speaker 7 (24:39):
Yeah, very concerned, like all New Zealanders are.

Speaker 11 (24:42):
You know, these are our children out there that actually
we're running out of daylight hours. Police have put assourship
with a huge amount of resources into the area. They're
doing an incredible job of trying to find these children
as quickly as possible. You know, that's obviously a big concern.
But also you know the foreign police officer as well,
who is you know, going through obviously some serious surgeries

(25:02):
as we talk, you know, given the injuries that he's encountered.
So you know, our thoughts are in both those spaces.

Speaker 7 (25:08):
This is sad and absolutely tragic event.

Speaker 11 (25:10):
I mean, this is not what anybody wanted to happen today,
and I think that is a consistent feeling from everybody
across his land. You know, we are used to seeing
these stories from other parts of the world, but not
hearing his land and has certainly very very sad and
tragic day.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
So it is now.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
I wasn't surprised that order any Kit beat Peni Henadi,
but I was surprised at how much of a smashing
she gave them.

Speaker 16 (25:34):
Well, I've got to say I was surprised. I thought
Peni henadai give him. That he's represented that electorate for
some time. I think the fact that it was made
much of by the Maldi Party that win or lose,
Pennie Henada would be back in parliament anyway. I think
what they've got to do is now they've got to
school Kaipa on how parliament works and that the Maldi

(25:57):
party have repealed nothing because they're not in power. They
can't do it. So you know, she's got a lot
to learn going into politics. But you know she won,
as you say, quite decisively, although you'd have to say
in the electorate about less than a quarter of it
turning out the registered voters to vote says something about

(26:18):
by elections in this country.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
But I mean, if you were labor looking at this outcome,
you would I think I'd be worried. You'd be coming
to terms of the fact that you were not going
to get any of those seats back.

Speaker 16 (26:28):
No, I'd be absolutely. I think what the Mardi Party
have done very successfully. They're very much a protest party
and they've appealed to the young Mary I think in particular,
I think the older Marory they wouldn't be as convinced
as some of the young Mardy are, and what they're
doing is they're out appealing to that group.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah, okay, So what's been going on with Labor is
that they have been unsure quite how to do politics right,
some of them, Willie Jackson has want its attack to
the left to try to get the Marory seats back.
Now that they I mean, if they just accept the
situation you're not going to beat the Maori Party and
leave them to the Marty seats. Doesn't this leave them
with the other option, which is the smarter option, which

(27:06):
attack a little bit more to the right try to
capture the center vote instead.

Speaker 16 (27:09):
Well, yes, I mean Labor and National at one stage
were seen as almost inseparable. They were seen to parties.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
But you know, in the.

Speaker 16 (27:18):
Last three years of the Labor government, they've moved very
much to the left. So you know, it's not now
and it won't be seen and come the next election
as a center party, it'll be seen much more to
the left.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
But so doesn't this because because there's a real struggle
going on in Labor between the people who want to
tack to the center and the people who want to
tack to left on the Maori issues in particular, doesn't
the strengthen the hand of those who want to go
to the center like I think Chippy does. And actually
and by just saying to Willy Willy, you're not going
to win them, let it go.

Speaker 16 (27:51):
Well, yes, but it's not only the Maori Party of course,
it's you know, other factions in the Labor Party as well.
You mean the Marty Caucus, well, you know, the core,
because it's quite powerful in the in the party.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
That's what I'm saying is Chippy can say to the mate,
you have no power, you're not going to whether he's got.

Speaker 16 (28:08):
The influence to do that.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
As another matter, yeah, well that's a very good point.
I mean, this is this is obviously idealistic. What did
you make of that opinion poll?

Speaker 16 (28:16):
That's very interesting, isn't it that we see that if
there was an election tomorrow, which of course is not
going to be, but there would be a sixty sixty
one in terms of seat to the center left, so
you'd have the Marldi Party in certainly in the max

(28:36):
then for a coalition government led by Labor. But look,
I for the life of me can't see that these
poll numbers are going to hold up. I mean, Chris
Lax in this poll, he got a bit of a
lift last month. One point five percent is preferred prime minister,
but still at twenty one point seven percent is very
very low. And if you look at the margins in these,

(28:58):
you know the margin of era three percent, Well we're
talking when you say, you know the Labor Party is
ahead of the National Party, We're talking fractions of a percent.
So the margin of error is not even considered when
we're talking about this, which it should be. That you
can't really believe what the polls are telling you at
the moment.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Barry, thanks very much, appreciate it. Bary Soper, seenior political correspondent,
are nine away from five putting the.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Tough questions to the newspeakers. The Mike asking Breakfast.

Speaker 17 (29:27):
Minster, Chrystopal, Lux and joints of sixty six percent of
the government want out of Paris.

Speaker 11 (29:31):
How do you handle that the coalition government has made
the correct assessment that actually, if you want to come
out of Paris, that is a mess of punishment to
our farmers and it's going to make all of the
Zealanders poor because a large multinational countries that.

Speaker 16 (29:41):
We sell our products to, they're going to kick us
off our shelves.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
The equally if it.

Speaker 17 (29:45):
Wasn't for the farmers, because you reference trade here and
it's tied up in trade deals. But it's an exercise
in saving the planet.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
It's not working. I mean that's just a statement of fact.

Speaker 11 (29:53):
Well, I mean we are doing we are prioritizing economic
growth in this country.

Speaker 17 (29:58):
So do you still believe in twenty fIF He's right
back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the daff News Talk, said be.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Heather Stuart Nash. Finally the Charadians. I know, Paul, jeez,
we're all put out of our misery on Saturday, weren't we.
I mean, it got it just dragged on and on
and on with Stu flirting with Winston and Winston paying
him no attention whatsoever. And it got to the point
where I said to people, I said, I don't think
stusan think. I think he's done everything he can. He's
sucked up to Winston as much as possible. He's short

(30:29):
of buying him dinner and sending him flowers. It was
getting to that point I thought, no, I don't want him.
But then he popped up on Saturday. I thought, oh, yeay,
Winston has swiped right. Is that the way that you
swipe when you want them? You swipe right? I don't know.
I've been married the entire time that app has been out.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Is that the way?

Speaker 5 (30:44):
Laura?

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, how do you know you're married? God only knows.
She doesn't know though anyway, Stu wash out anyway, So yeah,
they swiped right on each other and there they were,
they were having their first date. It was lovely. Anyway,
We'll talk about that later on because I was. I was,
just as you can imagine, absolutely thrilled from my friends
Stu that he's found long term love. Now Politic just
on that by election politic dot code on his head,

(31:05):
which is the of the website The Nerds, the political nerds.
Go To has made a very good point about what
happened in the Tamaki Makoto by election. What they've pointed
out is all the flash suburbs, like how we're in
Grafton because this electric catches these suburbs. Howick Grafton, Pakaranga
borderline flashman To's be honest, point, Chevalier. They all went

(31:27):
to the Labor Party, but all the normal people suburbs
like Henderson and Monaco and New Len and Kalston, they
all went to the Maori Party. Now Labour should be
worried about that when they look at that, because it's
very nice that you've got the nice suburbs, but that's
not really who your party is there to represent.

Speaker 18 (31:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
The Labor Party is historically the party of the working people.
That's literally in the name Labor. So they should be
chasing the working people, right, But they are losing the
working people, which means this is part of their problem.
They don't know what they stand for anymore. So anyway,
the old Chardonnay they're they're up against the Greens trying
to get the Chardonnay socialists in nice places like points
Chief of good luck to them, just really quickly before

(32:05):
we go to the news which is coming up shortly.
Did you see how the super funds doing The super
fund has beat its targets up eight point four billion
dollars in one year, generated a pre tax return of
eleven point eight four percent after costs. How good is
that making us the dollars? All right, Mark mature, Police minister.
Next on what we're going to do to try we
the police are going to do to try to get

(32:26):
those kids out of the bush. Tonight news talks.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
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(32:54):
the questions, We get the answers, find and give the
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the power of satellite mobile news dogs.

Speaker 19 (33:06):
There be afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Police are running out of daylight to find the two
youngest children of Tom Phillips. His twelve year old daughter
is understood to be with police. She was with Tom
Phillips when he was confronted by an officer this morning,
shot at the constable and was shot dead in response.
Police Minister Mark Mitchell is with me right now. How
much Hey afternoon, either any updated all on the kids?

Speaker 20 (33:26):
Well, I mean just the fact that obviously it's good
to have one of the children in safe custody with
police and n ot you know, just a very tough,
tragic situation. Now with one of our police officers obviously
badly injured in the hospital undergo surgery. You know, Tom
Phillips obviously killed in that same incident. I think it

(33:48):
just highlighted for me, It just holted the fact that
I felt very strongly all along is that you know,
you're dealing with a very disturbed individual that had three
children in high powered firearms, and it made an extremely
difficult situation to deal with.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah, now the police are clearly searching in an area
where they think the kids are. Do you know how
big this area is?

Speaker 20 (34:07):
No, I don't, but I know that they've got lots
of resources there. They've got the AOEC STG, they've got
every piece equipment that they need to make sure that
they locate and get these kids safely out of the
bush and looked after.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Has the daughter told them roughly where to look?

Speaker 20 (34:23):
So I'm not going to say too much around what
information or what she's done because we're trying. We're not
going to talk about the kids too much, but.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
That then so that they so we take the cat
out of it. Have they been told roughly.

Speaker 20 (34:39):
Where to look, They have a rough idea, They've worked
out roughly where they need to look, They've got all
the resources in there. I've put a knife and no
fly zone in place obviously for obvious reasons. Look, I'm
very very confident that that will that the police will
find and recover those children safely.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
What makes you so confident?

Speaker 20 (34:58):
I just will number one world class police force. They'll
take their time, they'll be careful, they'll understand that it's
a very sensitive situation and they're going to prioritize the
safety of those kids, and they'll do whatever they need
to do to make sure they get them back safely.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Is there a chance or a risk that the kids DeCamp, Well.

Speaker 20 (35:17):
There's always a risk with kids because kids are unpredictable
at the best of times, and obviously these kids have
been heavily influenced by Tom Phillips himself.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
But I just know that our police will be very cautious.

Speaker 20 (35:28):
As they always have been in this situation, and they'll
make sure that the children's welfare is put first and forefront.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
And but I just I'm very confident our police.

Speaker 20 (35:41):
I know how deep the capability is and I'm very
confident and I'll recover those children safely.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Is there a chance or a risk that somebody comes
to get the kids?

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Well?

Speaker 20 (35:54):
Having you know, I think it's pretty clear that someone's
probably been helping him and assisting them over the time
that he's been at large with these with the kids.
But the police will have control of this of the
area now, they'll have cordons up. Like I said, there's
no fly zone. They've got all the police resource that
they need to be able to control that area. So
it would be very, very highly unlikely that anyone would

(36:15):
be able to get through that cordon.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
How many people are the cops looking for, Well, they're.

Speaker 20 (36:21):
Looking for the remaining children obviously, so you know that's
no one else. That's what's no, that's what they're folks.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
At the moment.

Speaker 20 (36:29):
They're full focus at the moment is just making sure
they recover those children safely.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Have we got the army in there? Are we thinking
about that?

Speaker 4 (36:36):
I don't know if they've got the army in there.

Speaker 20 (36:37):
If that, the army've obviously got specialist capability and the
police won't use the take to use that specialist capability.
If they need it in terms of equipment and things
like that. But all I know is that they've got
the specialist squads in there. They've got all the equipment
they need. They're very confident in the area that they're searching,
and they've got it corded and contained.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
They're controlling it. They're going to be very cute about
making sure that they get those kids back safely.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Listen, they've got the infrared on the on the eagle.
Is that any good out in the bush?

Speaker 11 (37:08):
It is?

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Yeah, the Inforex infrared is is very effective.

Speaker 20 (37:12):
Without a doubt, and the guys and the eagle a
specialist official and using that technology. So you know, the
police will be using everything that they need to make
sure that they recover these children safely.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Do you know what the kids have been told to
do if the dad doesn't come back, Like, have they
been told to decampbell, go somewhere else or sit in place?

Speaker 21 (37:29):
You know?

Speaker 22 (37:30):
No?

Speaker 4 (37:30):
No, no, we don't know.

Speaker 20 (37:31):
I don't know any of that, and that neither would
that be a level of detail that I'd be briefed on.
All we know, obviously is that he's had them in
there for a long time. He's obviously you know, got
a lot of influence over them. He's probably the only
adult that they've really had much contact with. We can
see clearly the risks around dealing with him and the

(37:52):
high end the fact that he's got numerous firearms, and
so you know, the police will be treating it.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
Like I said to you, that the priority is going
to be the safety of those kids.

Speaker 20 (38:03):
And I've got very high levels of confidence of professional
deployment of our police officers and the way they'll deal
with us.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Mitch, Why did the police officer when they stopped their
car and saw Tom Phillips get out of the vehicle,
do we know yet?

Speaker 20 (38:17):
No? And I never second police officers that are actually
you know, during an operation or when they're deployed, and
when they're making decisions quickly, and you know, and in
situations that often unfolding rapidly as well.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
So although I know is that we've got a police
officer that.

Speaker 20 (38:33):
Is badly injured, we are getting back, both myself and
the Commissioner getting home as quickly as we can. We
will be down there tomorrow with him and with the family,
and obviously we'll be getting a full briefing and update
in terms of where we are in recovery of the children.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Why was his boot open? Was he trying to get
a firearm?

Speaker 4 (38:51):
I'm not going to speculate on that because that is
operational and.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
I mean, given what was going on, was he armed.

Speaker 20 (38:58):
Well again, I'm not going to be played on that
because that there will be an inquiry. There'll be two
or three internal inquiries. There'll be an ib C E quirry,
obviously a police internal inquiry, the coroner's inquiry, so you know,
all of that information will come out in due course.
I'm not going to speculate on that now because that
is operational. That's the guys. All i'd say is they've
done an outstanding job. You know, we've we've we've got tragically,

(39:23):
we've got one of our police officers of serious injuries.
It's in the forefront of my mind at the moment,
and also of course the recovery of the remaining children.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Okay, listen, how many times are the cop shot? Have
you been told? Sorry, how many times was the police
officer shot?

Speaker 20 (39:38):
No, so that that information I'm not going to make public.
All I know is that obviously he's undergoing surgery and in.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
An involved shot, but with just one weapon or multiple.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Look, I don't know. I don't know whether he was
whether it was one or multiple.

Speaker 20 (39:56):
But you know, the important thing is that what we
do know is that he's he's been shot, he's in
a critical condition, and he's under given surgery. So you know,
we just want to make sure that we've got support
around him and his family that they need and his colleagues.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Of course, if the police haven't been able to track
these guys down in four years, why do you feel confident?
And I want you to basically need you to convince
me that they're going to be able to track these
kids down quickly. What makes you so confident?

Speaker 20 (40:21):
Well, I just beck our police and we're very lucky
in our country that we've got one of.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
The best, most professional services in the world.

Speaker 20 (40:27):
I don't say that lightly, with lots of law enforcement
agencies around the world, and we've got some of the
best people, and they deeply care and take their jobs seriously.
They professionals, consumate professionals, and they'll be out there now
working hard to try and recover those children and do
that in a safe way. So you know, I just
say that, you know, don't keep people for rush to judgment.

(40:51):
The one thing that I would say, and what has
made this difficult in my mind, this situation, in my mind,
very very difficult, is that you've obviously got a disturbed
father that has got three children in high powered hunting
rifles and in the bush. And it is a very
difficult situation for anyone to deal with in terms of
making sure that you can recover those children safely. Now

(41:14):
he is in there, out of the picture, which means
that the police have got a really good chance and
will I have no doubt recover those children safely.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Mitch, thank you very much, and safe travels back. That's
Mark Mitchell, police minister who's obviously over in Australia with
the Police Commissioner for the funeral of the officers over
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Speaker 5 (42:50):
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Speaker 3 (42:52):
Nineteen past five. Now fifty officers are involved in searching
the area where they believe the children are. Lance Burdette
is a former police negotiator and investigator and with US
now Larnce, thanks very much for joining us, Hi, Heather,
how do you get two children to come out?

Speaker 19 (43:07):
It's very difficult with children because they don't think logically.
And listening to Minister Mitchell there, he's right, we don't
know if they've made plans. Now after four years, I
suspect they have made plans that if there doesn't come home,
what they should do, And again that's unpredictable what they
will be doing. So in situations like this, it really is.

(43:29):
They will have hopefully a child psychologist there on hand
to talk to about child behavior and how their brain
thinks and stress situations. But they'll be afraid, they'll be worried,
they'll be panicking probably, and it really is, it's unpredictable.
They won't stick to tracks and trails like normal you know,
rational people ward So they could be all over the place,

(43:50):
so we just don't know. They could also be hunkering down,
which hopefully that.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Is the case.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Jill Rogers said, they have got enough resources, which made
me feel reasonably confident. They think that they've got this
in hand, did it you.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 19 (44:03):
Fifty is a good number for something like that's thirty
five is a really good number. Are too many officers
actually get in the way of each other and so
having they'll have somebody from Search and riskul how they've
got search and rescue experts, they've got human behaviorists, they'll
have the Advanced Police Negotiation Team there, and they'll have

(44:24):
lots and lots of resources and ability to keep the
area contained and use experts. Most of the expertises within police.
They don't need them, necessarily need the military unless there's
the piece of equipment not missing.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
What happens if the worst case scenario plays out on
one of these children or both of these children.

Speaker 19 (44:41):
Picks up a gun, well you just take it as
it comes. But you know, if somebody confronts the police
officer with a firearm, the automatic training is to go
and to use the firearm and that event so training
will kick in, but hopefully that doesn't look at that stage.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Listen, thanks very much. I do appreciate your expertise. It's
Lance burd At, former police negotiator and investigator. Right, let's
deal with Stuart Nash, Big news over the weekend. Touch
on him next five twenty two on.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
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Speaker 3 (45:22):
That'd be Heather, what is the risk of the kids
being armed and trained by Tom and what to do
if law enforcement approaches John. I think you probably are
asking that question because you know the answer to it,
which is quite a high risk, isn't it, which is
why they're going in with the aos. I'm sad to
say five twenty five now, Stuart Nash turning up at
the conference over the weekend, that was quite a cop
for New Zealand First. Now, clearly what New Zealand First

(45:44):
is trying to do is emulate what reform in the
UK is doing. This is a Nigel Faraja's party. If
you've been following what they're up to. They have had
a huge number of politicians defect to Reform and every
single time it happens, the news media covers it and
it makes Reform look like the party with the momentum.
That is what New Zealand First is trying to do.
That's why you had both Stuart Nash, formerly of Labor
and Hardeza hippung Or formerly of National at the conference

(46:07):
over the weekend. Now, despite the circumstances of Stuart leaving Parliament,
he's actually a really big defection from Labor because he's
a very capable politician. He managed to turn Napier into
a red seat in twenty fourteen, which was despite the
popularity of the Key government at the time. He was
one of the few ministers in the Arderne administration that

(46:27):
voters on the right actually had time for. And I
think that's because he's a proper centrist in the Labor Party,
not crazy left like a lot of them, Mark a
little bit more to the right, which is why he's
probably going to find a better home for himself in
New Zealand First than the Labour Party of twenty twenty five. Now,
if I don't know if Labor realizes what they've lost
with Stuart Nash leaving. I mean, of course he's really

(46:48):
been out of Labor since the moment Chippy fired him.
But I don't think they even realized then what they'd lost,
because they haven't replaced him. And what I mean by
that is they haven't gone looking for another true centrist politician.
Back in the days, the Labour Party had heaps of them.
May they had Phil Goff, David Shearer, Richard plet just
going back through time, Richard Preble, Roger Douglas, Mike Moore.
It wasn't that unusual to have a good little centrist

(47:10):
alrighty sitting in the Labor Party. Now, name one for me.
I mean you might have once been able to say Chippy,
but he's allowed himself to be pulled so far to
the left. I'm not sure you could call him a
centrist anymore.

Speaker 23 (47:20):
Now.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
You cannot as a Labor Party win over the center
voter if you do not have politicians that the center
voter likes. And Stuart Nash I think was probably the
last one of them. I would say total coup for
New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
First ever du for see Ellen.

Speaker 24 (47:36):
Oh well, I mean what were.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
We talking about last week people acting badly on camera,
and we've got another case of it. You will have
seen this one. This is Karen of Philly, of the Phillies.
She was she was not stokes right that she didn't
get the ball. You'll have seen this. So the ball
gets hit into the stands. She goes over to grab it,
but a bloke runs over grabs it for son. He's
being a dick, but then she's a dick about it. Anyway,
he has he has explained what happened.

Speaker 18 (48:00):
Went into like an empty seat and like it did
like a quick bible and saddled, And as it saddled,
I grabbed it. And when I went to pull away,
other hands came in. But I had already turned around
and headed towards him, and I didn't look back.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
You knew what was coming behind you. Anyway, it worked
out okay in the end, because the team gave the
son a bag of merch and you know, signed a
bat firm and stuff, so he ended up happy. Lots
of rumors on the internet about who Karen actually is
and whether she's been fired. At the stage, we do
not know if Karen has been fired from her job,
but Given the way that this plays out, it's probably

(48:34):
gonna happen at some stage, isn't it. Anyway. Let's talk
to the PPTA next, and then the huddler is with
us News talks.

Speaker 25 (48:39):
He'd be.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
He'd be.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
All right, listen to. The police have just announced they're
going to be holding another press conference in the next
fifteen minutes. I'm taking that as a reasonably positive sign
that there are some developments, like they've tracked down the children,
or they've got the children or something like that. So
stand by because we are going to be bringing that
to you live. We're going to go to the huddle shortly.
Nikola Willis is with us after six o'clock first up though,
twenty five to six at the moment. Let's deal with

(49:23):
what's going on with the teachers now. The government's almost
doubled its payoffer to secondary school teachers. They're now being
offered a pay rise of two and a half percent,
then another two a year later. But they want to
increase the number of days that teachers can be called
and outside of term time, and remove the right to
reimbursement for childcare and mileage. PPTA President Chris Abercrombie is
with us hig Chris good I'm well, thank you do

(49:45):
not like this deal.

Speaker 26 (49:47):
It still doesn't meet the major issues at the heart
of it, that need for salaries, condition to keep skilled
and experience teachers in the job, and to lead schools
and students through the government's changes.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Okay, so basically, in a nutshell, not enough pay.

Speaker 5 (50:02):
It's not just pay, but I mean that that's not enough.

Speaker 26 (50:04):
It's still below inflation. But there's a whole heab of
areas admin addressed our concerns around pastoral care, concerns around
curriculum support, and all of those.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Areas the potential development the curriculum.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
Well curriculum support.

Speaker 26 (50:17):
So there's nothing in there for our head to department,
the people that are effectively going to be implementing or
leading the curriculum implementation and assessment implication in our scholls.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
There's nothing in this for them.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Okay, how do you feel about them? Morning To increase
the number of days that teachers can be called in
outside of term time, I.

Speaker 26 (50:34):
Think with that in the combination of removing the re embarrassments.
It's not actually helpful and won't again solve the problems
we're trying to address.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Okay, you're going to advise your members to reject this, Yes.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
We are, yep.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
So now our national executive is recommended to be rejected.

Speaker 26 (50:51):
But members, obviously teachers can vote any way they want,
but that is the recommendation from executive.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
And do you think that your members majority will support
you in your position?

Speaker 5 (51:00):
I think so.

Speaker 26 (51:01):
So one of the conversations I have have we had
to see your teachers and continue to have, is that
this doesn't meet what they need, what they see happening
every single day in schools.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
All right, Chris listen, thanks very much, really appreciate it,
Chris Abercrombie, PPTA President. Look what we're going to do
is we're going to take a break now go to
the huddle because we're just trying to make sure that
we're there live for it when the police take the
press conference. So we'll take a break back with you
shortly coming up twelve away from six the.

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Speaker 3 (51:29):
Just the reminder of the police are holding a press
conference again in ten minutes time on Tom Phillips and
the kids, So we will be bringing you that live.
Tris Sherson and Josephgania with us on the huddle this evening.
Hello you too, Hello, Hello Trish. What did you make
of the Tom Phillips The way this has played out?
Today's really grim and sad, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Horrible? Tragic? But unfortunately probably if we'd looked at Tom
phillips behavior over the you know, particularly over the last
few months, it was probably predictable. From here, my ask
is this, these kids did not ask to be dragged
into this. They were very small children at the time,

(52:09):
and I think from here we need to protect these
kids and their futures. So my ask would be not
to splash these kids in their faces all over the media.
My ask would be if there's footage of the kids
coming out, that it's pixelated. These kids will have to
live with what's online about them from here, and they

(52:29):
are going to have a hell of a road to
re integrate back. They are probably in a really difficult state,
and so that would be my ask from here that
we should really now think about protecting the kids and
their identity, because the pressure that would come on them
from having their faces splashed around is going to add

(52:52):
to what they have to work through and live with
for the rest of their lives.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Yeah, a really good point, Ajoc.

Speaker 27 (52:57):
And it's been extraordinary that it's taken nearly four years
for this to come to an almost inevitable conclusion. I mean,
you know Tom Phillips had guns. We knew he had guns.
There are children there. Inevitably at some point a gun's
going to go off, right, and that that was always
the fear. And I think that explains when you look
at it and you think, how could the police not
found them sooner? I think the explanation is that that

(53:21):
combination of kids, guns, and an unstable father was just
an awful potential situation just waiting to go off. So
I mean, go your heart goes out to the cop.
I mean, we've probably all got cop friends. I've got
a mother whose son is a cop. You know, you
just think you know this cops who is in hospital

(53:44):
stable condition, but you know been shot multiple times.

Speaker 18 (53:47):
In the head.

Speaker 27 (53:48):
I mean, you're absolutely right, Trisha, and I think it's
going to be really hard to guarantee that. I mean,
there's just so much interest in this story, but you know,
those kids are gonna They're just going to face an uphill.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
But sometimes I think that we have to put our
own sort of not prurient interests, but their curiosity. There
is no public interest in showing these kids over time.
And I was thinking back today too, famous sort of
cases of young people who kind of were wrapped up

(54:19):
in a story that the nation became focused on. I'm
thinking of the Ingham Twins way back on the day
because I worked on that with the Homes program. Those
girls really had a much tougher time because the media
were focused on them. And remember, these kids are minor minors.
These kids aren't even teenagers yet, and as I say,
this is all out of their control. So I think,

(54:41):
you know, that would be for all of us interested
in this, covering it, editors, whatever, I think, thinking about
those kids and where to from here has got to
be the big thing. And I also agree with Josie,
a massive shout out to that cop. You know, I
grew up in a very rural community. Often cops go
out in the middle of the night to very remote areas.

(55:02):
They do an amazing job. So you know, obviously all
good wishes go out to that policeman and his family.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
I really hope he gets better soon, really quickly. What
do you think, Josie, Am?

Speaker 15 (55:15):
I am?

Speaker 23 (55:16):
I am?

Speaker 3 (55:17):
I being weird about Stuart Nashal. Is it just because
I like him? Or is it a coup?

Speaker 27 (55:23):
What we all like Stu and it is the best
not kept secret. I mean, it was no secret that,
as you said, flirting with New Zealand first, and Winston
shameless shamelessly.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Honestly short of taking his top off and showing off,
showing off his back.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
He's done before.

Speaker 27 (55:42):
Don't give him an excuse to take his shirt off.
But I do think, to be serious, I think he's
got you know, when you look at him in government, forestry,
he's got stuff he wants to do around crime, policing.
These are things he feels are unfinished and I can understand.
And look, I mean, I feel you're talking about being
a sort of center left person and politician. I feel
like I'm in the center left, and I think the

(56:03):
center can be really radical, and I feel like people
like me and perhaps Stuart to have been excommunicated for.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Labour Party, they don't even realize what a lot it
is to lose you. People likes you and.

Speaker 27 (56:15):
You yeah, and I will go to overseas conferences where
it's sort of you know, labor parties and social democratic
parties and so on, and I'm sitting there on a
panel with the likes of Kistarma and whatever, and I'm thinking,
no question whatsoever that I belong in the labor movement here.
Oh you know, I mean I wrote a column about
it this week. I've got attacked by Media Watch and

(56:36):
Aaron Z for being what was that? Something like crotchety
and conservative opinions ostensibly less. It's like, try to tell
you audience that I'm I'm conservative and ostensively.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
If she did not answer the question, Trish, have I
got weird about stew or is it actually a coup?
It's a coup, I thank you.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I do think it's a coup for New Zealand. First,
you know what I love about Stuart. Now some people
would describe it as hutzpah. Other people would describe it
as having more more front than a rat with a
gold tooth. There's just something really likable about Stu. I
also equal parts fascinated and sort of you know, dumb

(57:17):
struck by people who just can't get politics out of
their system and they want to go back. But to
Josie's point, I think it's another blow for Labor in
a weekend when they have had another schooling on the
fact that they have lost their core constituency. So the
loss for them in the Tama Chemikodo by election, and

(57:40):
as you pointed out, that loss came particularly from the
working class suburbs. That to me is going to do
two things. One is, hopefully it sends Labor thinking harder
about the fact that they cannot just coast to the
next election. But number two, the fact that they have
read really lost touch and lost their way. And I

(58:04):
think if anything, that by election is probably going to
be a call to action about Chris Hipkins's future as leader.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Well maybe, hey, hey, I've got to stop, You've got
to just take a break, because just a remind us
we're going to take a break of the girls. They
will stay with us, but just reminded the police are
calling a press conference in three minutes time. On Tom
Phillips So stand by thirteen to six.

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Speaker 3 (58:36):
Right right your back with News TALKSZB. We just back
with the huddle, standing by for the police press conference.
As soon as they front up for the cameras, we
will break to it. So you know, don't worry, you're
not going to miss out on anything. In the meantime,
Tris Jerson and JOSEPHEGANI is with us. Josie I interrupted
you you wanted to say something about the by election. Well, so, yes,
it's bad for Labor.

Speaker 27 (58:55):
I mean they failed to get the vote out, right,
so there was literally about I think twenty percent of
forty four thousand eligible voters. That's about that's that's almost
half the number who came out in the election. Now, yes,
by elections, the vote numb always goes down. But you
know you'd also say Labor and party Marti failed to
get a big vote out, So that's not a resounding.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Positive.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
All right.

Speaker 28 (59:19):
Listen, as I said at the earlier briefing this afternoon,
we would provide you further information as soon as we
knew anything else. And I can tell you with great
relief this evening that soon after four point thirty today
we've located Tom phillips remaining children. They've been found in

(59:39):
a camp site not far from here, further up the
Tianga Road, and they are with police officers now and
being removed from that location. I can confirm that the
children are well and uninjured, and they will be taken
to a location this evening for medical che I want

(01:00:03):
to acknowledge the people who've worked on the ground today
and those that have been part of this difficult and
taxing investigation for the four years that Tom Phillips and
his children have remained outstanding. I have with me this
evening Detective Senior Sergeant Andy Saunders, who has led this
investigation and acknowledged the complexity and the difficult circumstances in

(01:00:28):
which we have had to investigate this matter. Today's outcome
is not the one that we wanted. Our thoughts are
with all of those involved, and especially our injured colleague
who still remains in surgery in White Cuttle Hospital. I
can confirm that Commissioner Chambers is on his way back

(01:00:49):
from Melbourne this evening and he will be on the
ground here in the White Cuttle first thing tomorrow morning.
I can also confirm that the meaning where the children
were located will be guarded overnight and a full forensic
examination will form part of our investigative work in the
days to come.

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:01:12):
You mentioned the discovery of those two children. Were they
with anyone else?

Speaker 28 (01:01:16):
They were by themselves.

Speaker 29 (01:01:18):
What was the nature of the encounter, was their aggression,
was their concern with their fear? How were they when
they came across them.

Speaker 28 (01:01:25):
We've come across them in the area that we were
identified as being a probable location in which we could
find them, and we've had communication with them and we've
safely engaged with them and they are now with our
police officers.

Speaker 10 (01:01:40):
Would you describe their demeanor when you approach them.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
They've been cooperative.

Speaker 24 (01:01:46):
Have they been told about any.

Speaker 28 (01:01:49):
I don't know that detail at the moment.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
Can you give us any more information about the cabsite?

Speaker 8 (01:01:56):
No, not at this stage. All I know that it
is further up. It's the younger road here.

Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
Is it a commercial side or.

Speaker 25 (01:02:07):
No.

Speaker 28 (01:02:07):
It's very remote. It's taken our staff sometimes to walk
into it. This morning, following information that we were provided
earlier in the.

Speaker 22 (01:02:15):
Day, police have obviously said many times in the past
that you have thought others in the community may have
been supporting Tom Phillips throughout this time.

Speaker 10 (01:02:25):
Are there still people in the community you want to
talk to about this That will all.

Speaker 28 (01:02:30):
Form part of the ongoing investigation. But today, as I said,
it's with a great sense of relief that we have
relocated those children and they are now going to receive
the care that they need.

Speaker 10 (01:02:41):
Has the mother of the children been advised of the places?

Speaker 28 (01:02:44):
We have notified the mother and Tom Phillips's parents as well.

Speaker 29 (01:02:48):
Was it the other sibling that gave you the information
that led you to the discovery of this cameray?

Speaker 28 (01:02:54):
They have provided information that has been crucial in narrowing
our search boundaries. This afternoon.

Speaker 29 (01:03:00):
Were there any weapons, any firearms at camps? I'm not
worried about that way.

Speaker 28 (01:03:05):
Yes, we have always been concerned about that. Those details
will form part of the investigation. As you'll understand, it's
very early. We wanted to update you this evening on
the news and that examination will take place over the
coming days as where we review that camp site.

Speaker 22 (01:03:21):
And just one other thought, You've always said throughout that
there's been this huge concern for the welfare of the
children and great concern around the country about what would
happen to them. What can you say to New Zealanders
who are wondering, how are these children now going.

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
To be cared for?

Speaker 28 (01:03:36):
Yeah, so they will have medical examinations today and we
will work very closely with our partners at Ordering a
Tamadiki to ensure that they receive all of the support
that they require at this very difficult time.

Speaker 22 (01:03:48):
Can you say anything about whether or not members of
the Phillips family and the mother's family will be involved
in the ongoing care of them.

Speaker 28 (01:03:56):
That's not for me to comment on at this stage.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Was any information them by the public that helped other
than the child that was found earlier.

Speaker 28 (01:04:04):
We are very grateful for the information we received from
the public this morning that supported our offices in their
initial event as it unfolded this morning. These are small, rural,
tight knit communities. They look after our people and we're
very grateful for the support that they provided this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:04:24):
Thank thank you very much, thank you, thank you, thank
you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
All Right, that was Jill Rodgers, the acting Deputy Police Commissioner.
So just to update you on everything that we know
from that. So the children were found at full thirty
and yes, that is before we spoke to Mark Mitchell.
They were found at a camp. It looks like the
older sister told police where to go to find the others. Well,
they're uninjured, they were cooperative. They have been taken for

(01:04:48):
medical checks. It's not clear at the stage as to
whether they even know that their father is dead or
have been told. The police will guard the scene overnight,
do some investigations there. Richie Chambers, the Police Commissioner, is
en route from Australia and will be there on the
ground first thing tomorrow morning. And I would imagine that
given the massive interest nationally in the story but also internationally,

(01:05:13):
I can imagine that there will be more press conferences
tomorrow as well. Now, Nicola Willis Finance, can I just
take a moment to say thank you to our huddle
this evening. They were wonderful. Triusharson obviously, and Joseph Beganni
Nicola Willis Finance Minister is going to be with us
as usual on a Monday after six o'clock news talk,
said b.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Even in coming up for the next hour. Shane Solley
on some disappointing Chinese data, Charma, Bill Yakeb on where
the Winston Peter's Kiwi save her idea as in like
make a compulsory put it at ten percent and you
get tax cut, whether that can work. And then Gavin
Gray on the UK government popping the illegal migrants into
the army barracks seven past six and with us right
now we have Nikola Willis, the Finance Minister. High Nikola, Hi, Heather,

(01:06:34):
you've been watching the Tom Philip stuff like everybody else.

Speaker 24 (01:06:37):
Ah, yeah, it's just been so harrowing to watch, just
thinking of those poor kids in the bush and what
they've gone through. I'm so glad they've been found.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Yeah, but a men's relief, amense relief that they've been.

Speaker 24 (01:06:46):
Found, amense relief, and just terrible to think of what
they will have been through and the recovery from here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Now, listen, what do you think of New Zealand First's
ki We save idea?

Speaker 24 (01:06:58):
Well, look, every serious political Party between now and the
next election, I think will have to come up with
a policy on superannuation because superannuation costs in New Zealand
are rising dramatically. Is a share of our economy twenty
five billion now rising to twenty nine billion in just
three years. So I can understand why New Zealand First

(01:07:20):
is contemplating the role of key we saver. I guess
the curious bit was that they said the contributions would
be offset by tax cuts. Back at the envelope, that
would be around fifteen billion dollars worth of tax cuts
a year. So for context, our tax package that we
delivered after the election was three point seven billion, so

(01:07:41):
that is a hair g of a lighter tax cut.
So the question then becomes, how do you fund that?
And if you're adding that on to the cost of
consult compulsory super how does it all add up?

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Yeah, you probably don't jump out. I mean it sounds
like it might be a bit wild, the tax cut idea,
But what about the idea of making it compulsory. Are
you into that?

Speaker 21 (01:08:00):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:08:00):
I think every New Zealander does make a compulsory contribution
to their super right now, because we have a universal
pension scheme, which means that when you hit sixty five,
you get SUPER and we all fund that through our taxes.
And so the point that you're making Key we Save
a compulsory as well. I think the next question you

(01:08:22):
have to ask is is this intended as an addition
to Super and offset to Super? Because quite legitimately, there
are some families right now who choose not to contribute
to key we Savor because they're choosing to pay down
their mortgage or they have really pressing concerns in their
household budget. So you're also making them pay tax. They're saying,

(01:08:43):
I can't afford these compulsory contributions, and why should I
when I'm already going to get Super when I'm sixty five.
So I think you have to work through all of
those questions.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
See point What about the idea of getting it to
ten percent given that over in Auseot's twelve.

Speaker 24 (01:08:57):
Well, I understand that what New Zealand First are proposing
is actually ten plus ten, so ten from the employee
and ten from the employer, so that's twenty compared to
Australia's twelve. Look, I obviously support increasing contributions to Key
we Saver, when New Zealanders want to make them, which
is why in the budget we set out a path

(01:09:18):
to increase contributions from three to four matched by employers.
And I think that that is positive for helping key
We's build up their savings. But at twenty percent, look,
I'd have to talk to Winston about why he thinks
New Zealanders should be saving almost twice as much as
Ossie's when Ossies, of course, do not have a universal
pension scheme at all. Only a small number of Australians

(01:09:40):
get state funded pension support.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Listen, I was talking to Simon Watt's about this ree Paris,
and I really don't have an answer to this yet,
so I'm hoping you might have you guys done the
numbers on how much it would cost us as an
economy to pull out of Paris.

Speaker 24 (01:09:54):
No, not that I understand specifically. What we do know
is that number of our trading partners view our participation
in Paris as really important. So if they saw that
we weren't taking action as good global citizens on climate change,
that could put some of our free trade and danger.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
And that said to us, it's not going to happen.
He was like, look, it's a possibility, but it's it's
probably not going to happen, as the vibe I got
from him. But so we don't know how much it's
going to cost us to pull out. Have we done
the numbers on how much it's costing the economy to
stay in?

Speaker 24 (01:10:27):
Well, obviously we've set out a five year a mission
reduction plan that gets us closer to our net zero target,
and that's partly funded through the emissions trading scheme and
some other initiatives. That's affordable within our current budget settings.
The problem with the National Development Contribution, which is the Paris.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
I'm not referring to as I'm not referring to that.
I'm talking about the economic cost of being part of Paris. Right,
So things like, for example, we are planting trees instead
of you know, doing sheep and beef, and we're fullgoing
economic returns as a result of that. Have you guys
quantified that the burden that we're taking on by being
part of Paris? And the reason I'm asking Okay, so
the reason I'm asking you this question is because we

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keep getting told, oh, it's going to cost us more
if we pull out then if we stay in. But
maybe it actually costs us more to stay.

Speaker 24 (01:11:13):
In Well, the reality is that we are an agricultural
nation for whom one and four jobs depend on our exports.
So the point we lose market access and we can't
access consumers for our export products, that is an economy
change that I know that, far larger than I think.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
There are other markets.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
You know that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
But all I'm saying is, let's be rational about this.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
We might be chasing five dollars worth of returns, but
paying fifteen dollars is an economy to do it, and
that's stupid.

Speaker 24 (01:11:42):
We don't know and rationally and rationally, what I'm saying
to you is the chances that the cost of participating
in emission reduction are larger than one in four jobs
and the economy is next to zero. And the point
that I was going to make earlier is the problem
with the Paris commitment is James Shore committed us to
far larger commitments internationally than we have in our domestic

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law here at home. So zero Carbon Act, which is
us progressively slowly reducing emissions, that's all achievable, and we've
actually set out a plan to do it. The problem
is he went completely over the top with the undertakings
we then made through that NBC and that's real, that's
the real issue here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
You're surprised, Hey, listen on the Auckland entsification debate. Are
you guys going to have Are you guys going to
have to give Auckland Council a little bit more time
to be able to decide what to do here, because
they're on a really tight time frame.

Speaker 24 (01:12:38):
I don't think so. They're actually at the start of
a process of consultation and we've given Auckland Council what
they wanted, which is they said they should make their
own choices about where and how they grow housing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Been telling me it's really bloody fast.

Speaker 24 (01:12:55):
Well, they've still got choice and flexibility. They're still out
there consulting. It's the start of appro and you're seeing
that public consultation taking place.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
So are you guys prepared to give them a little
bit more flexibility? Allah what David Seymore was arguing, Well.

Speaker 24 (01:13:09):
They already have huge flexibility. They've asked for flexibility about
medium density standards, they've completely changed those. They've asked for
flexibility about where intensification occurs, and they've made really deliberate
choices on a community by community basis. They've been given
flexibility about whether or not they allow for greenfield housing

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development or not, so they have huge amounts of choice.
This is the plan that Auckland wanted, which was instead
of central government saying here's where you should allow for
more housing, we've essentially said to Auckland, you do it
where you think it makes sense, except that where there
are major public transport developments ie City rail loop, you

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should be doing some intensification there. And they've agreed. So
this is a pretty flexible approach.

Speaker 23 (01:13:57):
Brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Hey listen, thank you very much, Nicole. I appreciate it
as always it Nichola Willis Finance Minister quarter.

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
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Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Hi, Heather, So the States love our beef and they
are out of Paris. Do you really think they're gonna
penalize us. No, of course not no, of course, Craig,
what about though? I mean, the States is not our
only market, though it is worth considering and I do, Geez,
I will tell you what. I went to the Rugby
got to tell you this Yank now parks this, Yan
parks this Yan. I'm going to tell you about Grant Grant,
the MP from Northland. He's gonna wear it now for this.

(01:14:48):
Let me just write this down Grant. That's to remind
baby brain to tell you that.

Speaker 24 (01:14:52):
Yan.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Can I just say, though? What about Simon Watts? The
other week? Last week? Was it on Friday? BT was
on Thursday?

Speaker 16 (01:14:59):
Thursday? Maybe?

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Ge time flies? What about Simon? I was like, Simon,
have you done the numbers on whether it costs us
more to get out or stay? And yeah, we've done
the numbers. Yeah, we've done the numbers. Asking Nickle, have
you done the numbers? No, we haven't done the numbers,
Simon whatever. Nineteen past six, Shane Solly, Harbor Asset Management
is with us. Hello Shane, Hello Heather. So the US
non farm payrolls data was a bit weak on Friday?

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Howd the markets react?

Speaker 29 (01:15:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:15:23):
Look, it doesn't sound very exciting, but it's quite meaningful
with this. The US non fun payroll as well, they're
just twenty two thousand job ads in August, means the
US jobless rates up to four point three percent. It's
another sign that the US Federal Reserve needs to get
on with rate cuts. Now, how did the markets react us?
She might pretty flat down a little bit, down point three,
But the big move there was in bond yeards, These

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long term go my bond yards fell and that's telling
us that the market starting to expect rate cuts and
think in fact, we're seeing up to three rate cuts
from the US Central Bank price and we're actually saw
two year ago MY bonds fall to three point five
five two percent, which is the lowest since twenty twenty two.
Locally here today we've seen our two year bond years
down as well. We're down to two ninety six, so

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below three percent, and the New Zealand shi mark wears
up almost zero point four percent. We've been great, it's
four percent today.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Yeah, more like a tenth of it. Hey, what about
the Chinese economic data? That also? Wasn't that that flash?

Speaker 23 (01:16:24):
Yeah? Look, we will continue to see some soft data
coming out of China that August export and import data
they were below expectations, just showing us that this Chinese
manufacturing machine is slowing down what we are seeing. On
the other hand, here there is Chinese regulators talking about
simulating economy. There's some reports about policies to support consumption
in the form of tourism, culture, lifestyle. There's some opening

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up of the taps and residential property market. Sin's in
that's the third largest city in China, approximately seventy and
a half million people are there. Going to remove home
purchase restrictions, so meaning people without local health cel regustration
you can buy a house. Quite a meaningful change. We've
seen in Shanghai, for example, where we've seen similar changes.
The house prices have actually increased sort of seven to

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eight percent month on month, So that's quite an important signal.
We're trying to really get that Chinese to kind of
a going. And then a final point, mister g President
g is conn out announcing that China will drive trade
and investment liberalization, so he's of a pushback maybe to
some of these global tariff barriers that they're coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Yeah, what about the stuff that's been happening here locally.

Speaker 23 (01:17:28):
Yeah, today we saw a couple of interesting corporate announcements.
Tourism Holdings announced, that's the recreational van hire company. When
you're doing a trip around South Onland, you're renting one
of their great vans. They have made the hard call
and they're going to reset their Australian retail business. They're
going to basically change the models to using the type
of vans conciding the brand, and they're going to reduce
the inventitary levels. Also, they're going to close some branches

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in Sydney and Brisbane, some of their sales branches, not
their rental branches, the places with their cell vans. Share
prices up slight the other day and we saw them
Store which is a properly company mainly with a retail
real estate by the Silverdale retail is seen from its
parent Strive property one hundred and forteen million dollars and

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they're was going to raise sixty two and a half
men via subordinated convertible notes. Pretty flat on both those
stocks on the day. So yeah, we're seeing a little
bit of activity coming up in the market here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Good stuff, Hey, Shane, Thanks has always appreciate it. Shane
soally harbor asset Management. Heather just have to say Jill
Rodgers has been very good today. That's from Simon.

Speaker 26 (01:18:27):
Jill.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Jill is the copper who probably did not expect that
she would have to front all of this stuff when
it finally happened. But of course it's fallen to her
because Richard Chambers has been over in Australia with Mark
Mitchell at the funeral over there for police, the shot
police over there. She's been very good because you may
not be aware of this, but there are a lot
of really curly little rules that pertain to this particular situation.

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There's orders and you know, family called staff and all
that kind of stuff, and she has to navigate all
of that when she's answering questions and yep, done a
very good job to stay on the right side of
the rules there.

Speaker 15 (01:19:04):
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Speaker 5 (01:19:16):
Talks edb Right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Grant McCullum head a great question about the cost to
be in or out of Paris. I wish you kept
at it to get the dollars.

Speaker 18 (01:19:24):
We can't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
We don't know. We can't keep at it to get
the dollars because, as Nicklea admitted, they haven't done the dollars,
so they don't even know. So it's all just vibes.
It's just vibes. Anyway. So I went to the rugby
on Saturday and was in the box, the corporate box,
one of not my one obviously I don't have one,
but in the corporate box. And he did warn me
in advance. Was Grant McCallum, the MP of Northland, who

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texts me on Friday and was like, I see you're
in the corporate box with me. Shall we talk about Paris?
I'd like and I was like, oh yeay, that's what
I want to do with my Saturday night. Anyway, this
is what happened to my second half of the game.
I was standing inside looking over his shoulder watching the
rugby while he talked to me about Paris. And he
did make a very good point. And I do like
Grant very much. Actually, he's a good sort with to

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have a beer with. He did make a very good point,
which is that we will not get canceled for this right.
It's not because anybody actually cares about parisil thinks that
Paris is working. It is simply that there are some
politicians who do not want us to have free trade
deals with them Ala the EU, and who do not
want us to be on the shelves. And this will
give them the excuse because in the FDA there is

(01:20:28):
a clause and they will go, look, they've reached the
clause and they will use it against us. So fair
point to have them fair play. It'll cost us, but
at some stage we may have to do it anyway.
Here's some show biz news for you. Do you remember
when MTV played music videos and we're all about the music, Well,
they still like to pretend that they are. The Music
Video Awards were today in LA and there were lots

(01:20:50):
of stars and lots of performances. Lady Gagar got four wins,
including Artists of the Year and she performed in Sabrina
Carpenter one Album of the Year and she sings a
song called Espresso and K Pop Star Rose Song of
the Year for her song with Bruno mars apt But
the real winner of the night was Mariah because she
won the Video Vanguard award. This is MTV's idea of
a lifetime achievement, and in celebration, she performed a six

(01:21:11):
minute medley of all of her biggest hats. How good notice,
I said, performed but not sang. And she also gave
a somewhat shady acceptance speech, as she's prone to doing.

Speaker 24 (01:21:21):
I can't believe I'm getting my first VMA tonight.

Speaker 28 (01:21:25):
I just have one question, what in the sam hell
were you waiting for?

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
And then she thanked her fan group, which she is.
It's called the Lamb Belie No one knows. And then
she made sure to mention, as you do, that her
brand new album is out in just two weeks, So
maybe that's why she Do you think that's where she wanted? Anyway?
Love a bit of Mariah? What a good time? Eye
Hey Chaumabil Yakip's gonna be with us very shortly explained
to us with the Winston Peters idea would work, you know,

(01:21:55):
make us all tempercent compulsory temper cent employers, temper and
employees and give us a good old tax cut to
offset it. Answer is probably not. He'll explain news is next.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
Don't take you if it's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
To do with money, it matters to you the business hour,
we're the header due for c Allen and mas for
insurance investments and Kuye Safer and you're in good hands.

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
News talks. That'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Javin Graywards with us in ten minutes time. Hey, by
the way, just really quickly, guess how much that court
case to save the ugly bridge in Wellington has cost Wellingtonians? Yes,
how much? Three hundred and thirty thousand dollars. That's right,
thanks a lot. Trust. It's not like people in Wellington's
got a lot of money at the moment, do they,
Given all the rates that toy has been charging them. Anyway,

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three hundred and thirty dollars thousand dollars in normal. Normally
in a case like this, because the trust who took
the case have been annoying and lost, you would go
after costs. But Wellington City Council has decided they're not
going to go for costs because the trust has got
no money, and so the barrack catered the bridge off
and they're going to demolish it twenty four away from
seven now. One of the big political stories over the
weekend was the New Zealand First Conference, and one of

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The ideas that came from that was reforms to Kiwi Saver.
New Zealand first is proposing to make key we save
a compulsory raise the minimum contribution to ten percent and
then give a tax cut to offset that extra cost.
Shama Bill Yakup is the chief economist at Simplicity and
with us. Hey, Shomo, good he how are I'm well?

Speaker 23 (01:23:24):
Thanks?

Speaker 10 (01:23:24):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
I was talking to Nikola Willis just about half an
hour ago. She reckons, back of the envelope at the
tax cut will cost about fifteen billion dollars annually. Does
that sound about right?

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
It does?

Speaker 25 (01:23:34):
And I love the idea of a compulsory superannation scheme,
but I don't love the idea of a tax cut
funded one because I don't think we can afford it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
No, how would you even do it? If you could
do it, would you? Is it possible?

Speaker 30 (01:23:47):
And he suggested it absolutely, He suggested target it is okay,
but he suggested, this is Winston right, that you target
the tax cut two people who are going to be
contributing at ten percent, which is everybody, because it's compulsory.

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
Can you do that?

Speaker 25 (01:24:02):
Well, that means every wager and it gets a tax
cut right, and that's our biggest source of taxes. It doesn't,
it doesn't. The numbers don't work if you can't. We
can't afford those kinds of tax cuts, right, I mean
we already can't. We're already running deficeits. So it's not
to diminish the idea because the reality is that kivserver
is actually really good policy. Most New Zealanders are in

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a three and a half million of us. We're contributing regularly.
It's all good. But we can probably pick and choose
a little bit of how Australia does it to move
us towards the compulsion idea. And I think therein lies
the germ of the idea that Winston's come up with
that is really good, that if we could make that
employer contribution compulsory, not the employee one, the employer one,

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and then increase that gradually over time, it would have
the same effect. And the reason for that is when
you increase your kivsiver contributions, essentially it's the total cost
of employing somebody, so it would it's buying like it's
worn worn by the workers anyway, one way or the other.
So it doesn't really matter as long as you do
gradually over time, it becomes a non issue. And that's

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how Australia has done it in two steps right, And
when they first started it, they increase it gradually over time,
and they're doing it again at the moment and they're
going up to twelve and a half percent, no tax
cuts in sight.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
If you do it, do you have to accept that
you will be increasing the super contribution in lieu of
pay rise.

Speaker 25 (01:25:22):
Absolutely, that is exactly how it works in Australia. So
the incidents, what we talk about as an economist, is
the incidents who bears the cost of that increase in contribution?
By and large, it's borne by the workers, because from
our employer's perspective, essentially the cost of employing you is
the cost of employing you. Whether they're pay it into
your bank account or into your accuse of account is

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much the same.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Does it do anything? Will it actually create wage inflation?
Will it make us a higher wage country?

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
Not?

Speaker 25 (01:25:52):
Really, that's not really how it increase wages. Like if
you want to have increased wages, we just need to
have businesses that are far more efficient and far more
profit and some of that will be shared with workers.
And that's having workers who are well trained, business places
and workplaces that are efficient, and all those other bits
and pieces. So no easy wins. You can't enforce higher
wage increases that are sustainable.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
And it's ten percent what we should be roughly aiming at.

Speaker 25 (01:26:16):
Roughly, I mean Australia's gone for twelve and a half,
so that's probably the benchmark. That's probably where you get
about forty to fifty percent of kiwis that will have
enough savings in retirement to not need New Zeon Super.
They'll be independent now, Shamu.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
When Nikola Willis was talking about it, she was talking
about it as in some way replacing, Like she said,
because we have got the pension, you can't have the
pair of them. You have to take one away for
the other. Would you advocate that? Would you say, yet
you phase out the pension go for the super instead
over time.

Speaker 25 (01:26:49):
So over time, so because with the KII server, if
it's high enough that you'll save enough by retirement, then
you can start to pull back on New Zealand Super
as B means tested. But not until you have a
Q server system that's actually giving people enough money to
retire comfortably at the moment, it's not enough. So our
contribution reds are still far too low to let people

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retire comfortably. So I don't think we can even continence
reforming news on super until we have made Qui siever
much stronger.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Yes, decades a word probably, Hey, thank you very much,
Chamo appreciate it. Schamoville Jakab simplicity chief economist.

Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
Would Heather do for ce Ellen?

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Yeah, I'm been wanting to tell you about this all show.
Actually there is a yesterday, well maybe even the day
before weekend, somewhere on the weekend which has become a haze.
I was reading about a chap who is who works
in the the police, and I thought the sky needs
an absolute shout out for what he's done. So he
fought the authorities for us, the authorities being the parking people.

(01:27:48):
There's no you know what we thought we thought the
police were the authorities. No, not even the police. Not
even the police can get around the parking people. So
what's been going on at is that there is an
outfit called I Park who run the parking app over there.
So you know, you park up your car and then
you have to go on the parking app and pay
for it. Often that app doesn't work at all. So
when the police officers turn up at the police station

(01:28:10):
for their work, they park their cars, but they can't
pay for the parking, and then they get themselves a ticket.
And so this happened to him earlier this year, and
he parked his car, tried to pay, it didn't work,
got a ticket. So he tried to dispute it. He
went to through a district or through a lakes council
or whatever it's called, and they said to him, na, na, nah,
this is not our problem. Go to the community hub.

(01:28:31):
So he goes to the community hub and they say, nah,
also not our problem. You've got to talk to Presto Park,
which is the company behind the iPark app. So he
tries to call Presto Park, but Presto Park sounds to
me like they're not a New Zealand company. They's some
sort of an international company. Because the only way that
he was able to proceed on the phone business, you know,
when you get there in order to speak to a

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customer service press one or whatever, he couldn't. He couldn't
do that because he couldn't understand what they were saying
because the only language is available to him on Presto
Park was Italian, Swiss and French, so he was I
don't know what to do, so he couldn't do anything anyway,
So he decided he was to take it to court,
and he did. He went all the way to court
for us. This was seventy dollar ticket, so you know

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he can afford a seventy dollar ticket. This is just
about principle and I back him on this, so we
started fighting it. In the end, the JPS dismissed the
case and he didn't have to pay it. The infringement
was not upheld. He was free to go. His name
is O'Sullivan by the way. But this is the interesting
thing about it. What I really appreciated was the representative
for Presto Park who turned up and said, well, if
he couldn't park in the because the app wasn't working,

(01:29:36):
if he couldn't park there, he should have gone somewhere
else where it was free to park, which was two
blocks away. Because clearly they don't live in the modern world.
We went I walk two blocks to be able to
park our cart. That's just super inconvenient in a lovely
twist which I enjoy very much. Rutuua Lake's Council voted
and may not to renew its contract with I Park.
I wonder why I think we know seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
Aproaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
It's Heather do for Sea Ellen with business Hour and
mass for insurance investments and Quie Saver, You're in good hands.

Speaker 5 (01:30:10):
Newstalk said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Listen before we get to Gavin. This is reasonably important
and I haven't had much time to talk to you
about this during the show, but it appears that the
government is pretty desperate on the gas thing, to the
extent that Simon Watts, who is the Minister for Energy,
had a meeting with a whole bunch of I guess
gas users, and this meeting happened in late August, and
asked it was like a delegation of larger mid sized

(01:30:32):
gas users. Ask them if they could put together a
list of twenty gas users commercial gas users who could
really quickly be phased off gas if roadblocks were removed.
Now what the roadblocks are? Could it be read tapped
more likely? I would have thought, basically, if we pay
for the track, like the government pays for them to
switch to some other fuel was what I'm reading here,

(01:30:54):
but there's no detail on that. But basically what that
should tell you is if we are desperate enough to
ask for the twenty top guest users to be able
to quickly transitioned off, and that is how tight the
guest supplies at the moment, and is how tight it
is getting. So anyway, stand by because I think that
we're going to get some traction on that just in
the next few weeks. Thirteen away from seven Gavin Gray
are UK corresponders with us even in Gevin Hill? Do

(01:31:16):
you reckon the government's really going to go aheare with
this barracks idea?

Speaker 21 (01:31:20):
Well, yes I do, because the UK is already using
former army and RAF bases in order to house migrants
while they're having their applications reviewed. But certainly now the
government really stressing that they are looking to expand this notion.

(01:31:41):
There's even talk of some use of former industrial sites
and even talk for using some warehousing as well.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
So the government.

Speaker 21 (01:31:50):
Deciding to try to clear out the number of people
housed in hotels that taxpayer funded accommodation at the moment
thirty two thousand a sign seekers a house did hotels
and Heather, it's wrong if you're thinking, oh, these are
cheap budget hotels. Some of them are very nice hotels
and it is costing millions of New Zealand dollars a day.

Speaker 7 (01:32:11):
To fund them.

Speaker 21 (01:32:12):
And of course it's been extremely in the headline say
very controversial and people are getting very fed up. And
I think the government is recognized this is one of
the big topics for the next general election, a vote
winner or a vote loser to get.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
This sorted out.

Speaker 21 (01:32:27):
So the government's looking at two former military sites, a
former RAF base in Essex down in the south east
and also a former military base in Kent, also in
the southeast. In other words, where so many of the
migrants are arriving. Indeed, we've just heard that on the
first day of the new Home Secretary, the new woman

(01:32:49):
in charge of the migrant problem, more than one thousand
people arrived, almost one thousand, one hundred arrived on her
first full day and the job. That means thirty thousand
have arrived by small boats so far this calendar year,
and that is a new record for this point in
the year. So Labor, the party of Government realizing something

(01:33:10):
has to be done quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Yeah, totally. Now, how's the emergency alerts on the mobile
phones going?

Speaker 21 (01:33:16):
Yeah, they seemed to go pretty well. So my phone
yesterday afternoon our time at three pm sounded with an
alert for ten seconds, along with roughly eighty two million
other phones. This was the second testing of a national
system for sending emergency alerts to mobile phones. It's a
way of people being reached really, really quickly, and this

(01:33:38):
was the second test. The alerts are designed for crisis
where there's an imminent danger to life, such as during
extreme weather events.

Speaker 7 (01:33:46):
Or a terror attack.

Speaker 21 (01:33:47):
It works on separate phone masks, so you don't have
to alert everyone around the country at the same time.
You just nominate the phone mask you want to contact,
as it were, or the area, and then you can
contact people in that area in a matter of seconds. Now,
in the first trial, which is back in twenty twenty three,
some received multiple messages, others didn't get any message at all.

(01:34:09):
On this time, I think it's been a much better test.
Anyone on the UK's four G and five G networks
received the message even if they were not connected to
mobile data or Wi Fi. And that, as I said,
eighty two phone, eighty two million phones in total, it
seemed to work better. However, some people report they didn't
get the message for fifteen to twenty minutes after it

(01:34:32):
was supposed to go out, and so that's obviously going
to be something that the government needed to work on.
And this is something here that's certainly getting a great
deal of interest from the government as how to get
hold of people quickly.

Speaker 7 (01:34:43):
Should there be alerts.

Speaker 21 (01:34:45):
It's been used in the past fourth storms, but also
in one instance when they discover a five hundred kiloground
World War II bomb unexploded in a city center at
the southwest.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
Doesn't Gevin get Google's a little bit poorer today, isn't it?

Speaker 21 (01:35:00):
Well, it certainly should be with what's happened, but it
is appealing the judgment. So the European Union has fined
Google at five and a half billion New Zealand dollars,
the EU alleging they are abusing air power in the
ad tech sector. So what they're saying is that technology

(01:35:21):
which determines which adverts should be placed online and where, is,
according to the EU, being rigged in Google's favor. The
European Commission saying that the tech giant had breached competition
laws by favoring its own products for displaying online ads
to the detriment of its rivals. However, Google says the
decision is wrong and says it will appeal, and Donald

(01:35:43):
Trump has weighed in, the US President attacking the decision,
saying in a post on social media, it was very
unfair and threatening to launch an investigation over European tech
practices that could lead to tariffs. I think the timing
of this fine is very interesting, just a few weeks,
of course, after they've agreed between the EU and the
US a trade deal, but certainly earlier this week the

(01:36:07):
Commission denying that timing was deliberate, and as part of
their findings, it said Google had intentionally boosted its own
advertising exchange ad X over competing exchanges where ads are
bought and sold in real time. So I think this
is one we're going to hear more of when the
appeal comes to Fruition.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
Thanks Kevin, appreciate it. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. Hither there
is no such language as Swiss. Someone's telling a porky?
Is that just shorthand for Swiss? German? Is that what
that meant? Eight away from seven?

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
It's the hitherto per se.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
I've got a little bit of good news for you
before we go to the end of the show, which
is if you're renting, you shouldn't be paying as much
as you were two years ago because the rental price
is down to the lowest price in two years. So
the national average has fallen three percent, six hundred and
twenty eight Wellington steep Wellington's Wellington is fascinating. Wellington had

(01:37:06):
the steepest drop twelve percent in what you're paying in
rent Otago down for Auckland, down to Canterbury, down to
why Cutle down about half a percentage point. And it's
basically because the listings have gone up. Get a load
of this. Nationally the number of listings have gone up
by sixteen percent, but in Wellington the listings have gone
up by one hundred and six percent. Also, Big and
Wired up in ninety seven percent, Gisbon eighty two percent,

(01:37:29):
Hawks Bayed sixty nine percent, Canterbury twenty nine percent, and
so on. Anyway, there you go. You should as long
as you're not living in Southland and West Coast, where
the rents have gone up by nine percent and eleven percent, respectively.
As long as you're not living there, you'd be paying
less than you were two years ago.

Speaker 28 (01:37:44):
Libby, I've got MTV's VMA's Song of the Summer Frost Today.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Is this is K pop thing?

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
It's not cap pop? What is it? This is Tate McCrae.
She wrote this for the f one movie. It's called
just Keep Watching.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
If I said to you, Hello, I'm gonna go see
a tape the Cray concert, would you know who I'm
talking about? Would I?

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:38:08):
Would you?

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
Is she a bit of a thing?

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
Is she she's a pop star? That's for sure?

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
Oh, she's a pop star?

Speaker 11 (01:38:14):
All start.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
This part of the show sometimes makes me feel so
unbelievably old, and this is definitely one of those moments.
If somebody said I'm going to go see Tate mccrae'd
be like, what what's that? I don't even know? Is
that a person or is it just an event? Anyway,
it's a person and they're a star. Enjoy it. See
you tomorrow, Jack, Just keep.

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
Watching exkive what for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive

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