Full Show Podcast: 09 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spins to find the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Or it's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duperice Ellen Drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected and news Talks ed b.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Good afternoon, seven after four Wednesday afternoon. Great to have
your company. Our climb down the ocer ladder takes a
slight pause. Thank you, Donald Trump. We'll look at that
at five o'clock. Beneficiaries getting out there, rolling up their
sleeves and fixing flood damage. Will it actually happen? We'll
speak to the guy and his dog, while the dog
won't speak unless miracles are happening today, we'll speak to

(00:34):
the guy who was rescued by the Defense Force and
the tattahdoers, Trisherson and Sainzo on the huddle tonight and
Axe Simon Court has got some new crazy consent nonsense
to share with us. After six o'clock here on news Talk,
said b Ryan Bridge. When there's a job to be done,
you muckin' you get it done. Many hands make light work.

(00:55):
There's no time like yesterday to get something finished. And
the household I grew up and this was pretty much
the motto when it came to work. Everybody must work.
My brothers and I had paper rounds and we were
like nine. It was child labor. Mum used to walk
with us after school, you know, rain hail or shine.
We'd be out there, backpacks filled with newspapers and circulars.

(01:17):
Out we'd tryed to deliver some lovely old Ducker weekly
fix of the local rag. For me, working is something
you have to do. It's not something you do because
you'd like to do it. But not everyone thinks this way.
Not everybody was raised this way. There are and I'm
pleased that I was raised in a household where work

(01:37):
was important. But there are two hundred and ten thousand
kiwis right now receiving the doll free taxpayer money to
not work. That's up twelve percent on a year ago.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
I know the economy has been bad. Jobs aren't often
there to come by, and that accounts for some of
this cohort. But really we all know these people who
just take the piss, take the money, and why wouldn't you,
Why wouldn't you? I was pleased today to hear given
this the government had a plan after the flooding in
Nelson and Tasman, Paul Sods there have had a massive mess,

(02:14):
big cleanup job to do, and they want job seekers
to get down there help clean up, mop up, mend
the fences, you name it. They can do it and
they'll pay for their efforts. Fantastic. Now, I just have
a sneaking suspicion that this is not going to happen.
I don't know about you, but I just don't think

(02:34):
this is going to happen. And if it doesn't happen,
what do we do then? What happens If they don't
want to get their hands dirty or they say no, well,
I think it's quite simple. They should get the welfare
ripped out from underneath them until such time as they appreciate.
One money doesn't grow on trees and two fences don't

(02:56):
fix themselves. Brand news books have been nine. The number
to text just gone ten after four. You would have
seen this in the news today, massive story today about
this project to bring back the extinct moa, and it's
rustling a few feathers in the world of academia. The
Mammoth project aims to revive the prehistoric animal within the

(03:18):
next decade. I spoke to the company's CEO on Herald
Now this morning, and what he told me, was that
it's going to take ten years, but it will happen.
These things are massive, three and a half meters tall.
This is the South Island more three and a half
meters tall, and they do it. It's not going to

(03:40):
be exactly the moa. It's going to be a cousin
of the moa that they will edit to look more moerish.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Here he is, let's continue to build and build a
stage gated process in where they can be in secure,
expanse at ecological preserves and we can understand how they
interact with the ecology of the existing ecosystem and whatnot,
and truly study them and make them home here again.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Professor Phillips Siddon, University of Otago Zoology Department with me
this afternoon. Good afternoon, Hi there, professor. Do you like
this idea?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
I think the devil's in the details, Ryan, I think
you've got to dig down. A lot of the word
is about bringing back moa, but extinction really is forever.
We're not going to see moya again.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
No, because it's not going to be the real ma
is it.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
It's not a real mora.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
So yeah, it'll be a genetically modified organism some near relative,
and the near relative for Moa are pretty distant. Actually,
they're a small flight at bird in South America.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, I think photos of them the tiny.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Y yeah, tiny sixty million years difference.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
So is there anything wrong with doing it?

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Well, you've got to ask why you're doing it, and
you've got to be honest about what you're doing and
your quote. You know, Ben was being upfront about talking
about cousins, but if you look at the front end
media stuff, it's all about bringing back Moher to all
wrapping back Moan. I was working on a kind of
a tortured analogy. If I could cheer it with you,
I imagine, imagine if someone said would you like the

(05:20):
Mona Lisa and you went, well, the mon Lisa. Yeah,
the Mona Lisa are going to give you the Moon Lisa.
And they give you this painting. You look at it
and it's a it's a woman with a smile, and
you think, well it doesn't quite look like and you go,
is this really the Mona Lisa? And they say, well, no,
it's actually another painting. I don't know, woman girl with
the pearl earring. But we got some paint bushes and paint.
We tweaked it and we made it look a bit

(05:41):
like the Mona Lisa. So because it looks like the
Mona Lisa, we're going to call it the Mona Lisa.
It's a couple of things wrong with that. It's it's
a it's a looker bike. There's a couple of things
wrong with that. It's not the Mona Lisa. So there's
an authenticity about it that's missing. And the second thing
is that you've messed up something else in order to
create there. You've got to say, just because you can

(06:02):
do these things, should you really be doing it? What's
the compelling reason for doing this?

Speaker 3 (06:07):
So the cousin, we mack up the cousin by doing it.
That's what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Yeah, you're creating a genetically modified other species that will
have ideally mo like features or look like a moa.
Whether it behaves like a moa in the system, we
don't know. Genetics will be different, it's physiology be a different,
it's behavior will be different. So there's a lot of
question marks about whether a GMO version of a mora

(06:34):
is actually going to be useful at all.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
We do use it system, We do it with plants though,
don't wean food?

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah, well we genetically modified plants or people to use
GMO plants in order to make them kind of grow
better or be resistant to disease and things like that.
And the rationale is that you want more crops to
feed more people.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Right, so there's a good reason for it. You're saying
there is no good reason here. They say tourism, and
you might get some more you're just stop buying. You
think this is that a bullshit, don't you?

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well I do, and I.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Look at what Colossal is doing, and you know they're
packing the icons of extinction. So Wooly mammoth, Dodo, Tasmanian tiger, philacy.
Now mo why wouldn't you go for moha? And which
mow are you going to go for? Because there were
a number of species, Well, they're going to the biggest one.
So this is the biggest media hit you can do.
And if you look at all the front end stuff,
it's saying the moa is coming back, it's not. And

(07:30):
there's some real questions about why you're doing this. If
you're rationalist tourism, that's pretty weak source.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
I think Professor Phillips Siddon tell us. What you really
think it's a forgery, you wouldn't do. It's no mona
Lisa and basically a bunch of bes fourteen after four
News talksb Elliot Smith.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
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Speaker 3 (07:57):
It is four seventeen. Trump throwing his toys again and around.
Tariff's threatening two hundred percent on pharmaceuticals, fifty percent on
copper today. Australia quite worked up about this bit in
a bit of it his elbows on the phone. They
export about two point five billion dollars did you know
this in pharmaceuticals, mainly vaccines and blood products. This is
Australia healthcare products as well, and forty percent of their

(08:21):
medicines head to the United States. So they are very,
very worried about what this will mean for them. And
it's all because the Aussies have a cap on the
price of drugs that they import from America, and Big
Farmer is getting involved in Washington, lobbying the White House
saying well that's not fair, they're free loading. Why don't
we hit them with a massive tariff and it looks

(08:42):
like that's what Trump's going to do. So elbow and
damage control today eighteen after four, Brian Bridge, Allie Smiths.
Here was sport Hey, Eliott, Hey Ron, Good afternoon. Now
State of Origin three tonight.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
It is indeed you start against state matter gets made
all of that stuff. Queensland versus New South Wales's got
a decider which we didn't probably think we would after
Game one when New South Wales were far too good
for Queensland that night at sun Corpse Stadium and everyone
kind of wrote the series off. But Queensland managed to
find a way to win in Game two, big bounce
back performance in Perth, and now we've got the decided

(09:13):
tonight in Sydney. So fascinating to see how that unfolds history,
probably on Queensland side, incidentally, in the one nine of
eleven deciders since two thousand and six, although they haven't
won ae decider in New South Wales since twenty thirteen,
so they're very much looking forward to that. Incidentally, Aaron
Woods forming New South Wales prop on Sports Talk tonight
after seven and from a New Zealand point of view, capable.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Plays for work as we need it on Sunday.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
We do against the Tigers, and the Warriors have already
lost Luke Metcalf now mitched, Barnett Towns Nickel Crook stars
out with injury, so there might be a few nervous
Warriors fans going. I hope he plays well for Queensland tonight,
which he did in Game two, but also gets through
the game unscathed and is fit to turn around this. This
is a huge ars. He's gonna have to fly from
obviously Sydney, which isn't a big deal Sydney to Auckland,

(09:59):
but back up and another game of league on Sunday
afternoon against the Tigers. So a couple of things to
Warriors fans look at.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
They need to bubble wrap him tonight, don't they.

Speaker 6 (10:07):
They do, but the nature of origin is that there's
no bubble wrapping in Origin. They're going to throw their
bodies right at each other and put their bodies on
the line. So if you're Andrew Webster, if you're Warriors fan,
you're sort of taking a deep breath and hoping that
he comes through und scathe tonight.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Kan Williamson not playing with the Black Captains as a
barbe way, but he says he's still committed to the team, is.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
He Well, he is when it probably suits Kin and
he to be honest, he has earned that. I think
over a period of time, you know New Zealand's best
ever batsman, to be honest. And now with everything that's
on off for an international cricket all the T twenty
tournaments that he can make and set up himself and
his family for life, he's picking and choosing things and
he's done this for a year or two now, but

(10:47):
this is the first time that he's actually gone. I'm
going to skip some Test cricket, which before this point
he had made himself available on every occasion and Darros
added as only Zimbabe by the black Caps expected to
win and win well, these don't even care carry Test
Champion World Test Championship points. These games coming up next month,
but may be just the start of things to come.
Potentially that we should probably expect to begin life without

(11:10):
King Williamson in the next week while and he won't
be available for everything that comes on the black Caps
horizons run.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
All right, Elliot, appreciate that Alliot Smith sports talk host
seven o'clock Tonight News Talk ZMB it is twenty after four.
Coming up next, I'll tell you why you know link
no longer need to take shoes off at the airports
in America. And after the News at four thirty, we're
going to talk to political editor Jason Walls because what's

(11:36):
happening is quite interesting with the COVID inquiry. So the
other day, remember I asked the CAC running the inquiry,
have you asked to Sender if she's going to come?
And then I asked, Chippy, are you going to go talk?
And Chris Hopkins is sort of undernad He's not really
said whether he would actually appear and give evidence or
give evidence via video link or whatever. But now just

(11:57):
Cindra durn has come out and said that she's happy
to give evidence should she be asked. So she's happy
to do it. But on the other hand, Chippy noncommittal.
What's up with that? Jason Wall's After the News News
Talk SB.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Moving the big stories of the day forwen AW.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
It's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duper c Allen Drive with
One New Zealand Let's get Connected News.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Talks NB twenty four after four. Great to have your company,
So a couple of little things for you if you're
traveling in America for the first time in almost twenty years,
you'll no longer need to take your shoes off when
you're going through security. Isn't that fantastic? Everybody celebrate because
it takes so much time. This has been happening for
twenty years. Do you remember the shoe bomber Richard Reid

(12:41):
was his name. Well, failed shoe bomber tried to blow
up a flight from Paris to Miami in two thousand
and one using his shoes with explosives, and his shoes
didn't work. It isn't funny also, how one man is
responsible for an entire planet of people taking the shoes
off in public every time they fly for twenty years. Anyway,

(13:03):
he was quite successful in that if that was his goal. Anyway,
that is no longer The TSA says advancements in security
technology and processes. Basically they can X ray your shoes better.
I guess mean that this will no longer need to happen. Personally,
I'm a socks and sandals flyer. Three pairs of socks,
so one for taking yourself through the airport. Then you

(13:26):
change once on board to a flight sock, not to
impose any smells unwanted attention on those around you. You
fly in those socks and then you change again to
your airport's socks and glide out with the sandals should
they need to be taken off. Very quick and easy process.
Twenty five minutes after fourth Brich. Now you'll be pleased

(13:47):
to know about this one. This is a Barbie representation matters,
and I love it when a brand you does good
in the world, when they're not just there to make money,
when they really are there to change society. So represent
Haitian matters, says Barbie. They've launched their first doll with
type one diabetes. Yes, the doll will come with an

(14:07):
insulin pump and glucose monitor. It's the latest in a
range designed to enable more children to see themselves. I mean,
where do these people get off. It would be to
enable more children to see themselves reflected and encouraged, dole
play that extends beyond a child's lived experience. Type one diabetes,
by the way, is an autoimmune disease. My dad has it,

(14:28):
so I know it very different to type two, which
is you're eating in you you know your exercise one.
This is an autoimmune disease anyway? Will this change the world? Barbie?
Are you going to change the world? Or will this
Barbie end up like all other Barbies? You know? Will
diabetes Barbie end up like the rest of them? Armless, legless,

(14:50):
head shaved, buried in the sandpit. Probably twenty six minutes
after four news talks, they'd be will get to our
correspondent in the US, Dan Mitchison.

Speaker 7 (14:59):
Afternoons recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
It's Ryan Bridge on hither do for see Ellen drive
with one.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
New Zealand let's get connected news talk Sai'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Good afternoon twenty five away from five year on news talks,
there'd be lots of feedback this afternoon. In a few seconds,
we'll get to Dan mits in our US correspond on
the latest from the Texas flooding, Jason Walls on the
COVID inquiry and whether Jasindra Durne is going to turn
up all of that stuff. She's put a statement out,
by the way, we'll have that for you too. And
then after five o'clock, why Trump is messing with your

(16:02):
mortgage via the Reserve Bank, via the ocr which has
gone nowhere today a couple of texts on the Barbie thing. So,
Barbie's bringing out a new line, type one diabetes Barbie.
We're getting diabetes Barbie. And I was just saying, like,
is this going to change the world, you know, is
this the best thing for it? And lots of people

(16:22):
send them, you know, funny things about when will we
get a plus sized Barbie? Do we have a trans Barbie.
The answer to both of those is a yes, we
do have those things already, Ryan. I wonder how many
tea parties the type one diabetes Barbie will have to
attend and be forced to eat cake anyway. That's on
fierce as Simon. Yes, you make a good point. She
does come with her own glucose patches apparently. And then

(16:46):
I got this one from Karen And this is kind
of message you get me sing you're dick, Ryan, you know,
just try and be nice, Hi, Ryan. Sometimes it's about
more than just a doll. My friend's little girl had
to have her leg amputated because of cancer when she
was sixty years old. Somebody gave her an amputee Barbie,

(17:06):
and her eyes filled with tears. She said, look, mummy,
she's just like me. That little girl is now thirteen,
and Barbie still sits on her dressing table every day.
Cheers Karen, Karen, thank you for sending him that text.
Twenty four minutes away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
It's the world wires on news. Dogs'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Texas death pole keeps rising. One hundred and eight now
have died. More than one hundred and sixty still missing.
Here's the governor. Where will that start?

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Until every missing person is a cnnical?

Speaker 3 (17:40):
No, this awesome.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
They're very likely to be more added.

Speaker 8 (17:44):
To that list.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
The US sending more weapons to Ukraine. Some shipments were
halted last week, but Trump's done a U turn because
he's annoyed with Putin.

Speaker 9 (17:52):
We get thrown at us by Pooth for you want
to know the truth, very nice all the time, but
it turns out to be me in English.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Finally, there's now a highway in the UAE that can
play classical music. Special rumble strips that play Beethoven's Ninth
Symphony when cars drive over them have been installed. Why

(18:22):
I suppose it's fun. That's fine, all right, we can
do that in Auckland. No, No, let's not even suggest
we do that in Auckland, because they need to make
sure we have Rhodes verse before they sing to US.
Twenty three to.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Five International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Dan Michison is a US correspondent. Dan, Welcome to the program.
What's the latest in Texas?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Well?

Speaker 10 (18:46):
As you mentioned just a moment ago on the world wires,
we've got one hundred and sixty people that are known
to be missing right now. At least one hundred and
ten have died. The governor, who you just heard there
a moment ago to and spoke at a news conference,
said that the emergence see alert system. They're going to
be addressing this during a special session of the state legislature.
It looks like sometime in the next couple of weeks.
And this has been sort of a back and forth

(19:08):
finger pointing between Republicans and Democrats that cuts made by
the Trump administration to weather forecasting and emergency services would
would end up with with something like this, that there
wasn't enough warning or enough preparation.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, and Caroline Leavid I saw coming out from the
White House quite strong saying if you suggest anything other
than you know, this was all fine and dandy, then
you're a conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 10 (19:35):
Yeah, I mean Ted Cruz had spoken out saying, you know,
this is not the time for something like this, and
yet you know that both Republicans and Democrats have been
getting digs in about this. We'll have to see, you know,
what they find. There's always an inquiry after something like this.
There's also a small chance that we're going to get
more storms, more rain in the area, and we're hoping

(19:56):
for some kind of break right now, but it wouldn't
be surprising to find, as Governor said, more and more
bodies in the coming days.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Trump and who met for second day. What have they
discussed they did?

Speaker 10 (20:08):
I mean, this was the second time that they've they've
met for the ongoing war in Gaza, and they're saying that,
you know, they're they're making a little bit of progress.
Prime Minister Netanya, who said he doesn't believe that Israel's
military campaign in Gaza was done. He says they still
have to finish the job. There a Palestinian source telling

(20:30):
that the BBC they haven't made any headway in these conversations,
even though President Trump has said and we're making a
little progress on this, but you know, he'll even be
the first to agree, I think in a roundabout way
that that things could take a little bit longer than
than he had originally hoped for.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
And the July nine tariff did line might be did
in the water, obviously, but Trump announcing the new tariffs
copper and foreign drugs, well, he is too.

Speaker 10 (20:54):
And this has been going back and forth. I mean,
he also appeared to kind of backped a little bit
on announcing that the deal that the Treasury Secretary had
said earlier would materialize in the next forty eight hours.
And our stock market has been going up and down,
mostly down on the news that these of these tariffs
are all over the place in terms of how high
they are depending on the country and the items that
you're buying. And the Yale budget lab it just came

(21:16):
out and they said the letters that the President sent
yesterday are going to be the highest terriff rates that
the US consumers have had since the nineteen thirties. And
he's really fixated on this trade gap, Ryan, and this
is the difference in how much we import versus how
much we export with other countries like you, and a
lot of our economists say that this is just too

(21:38):
simplistic right here, and this is going to do more
more harm possibly than it will good to our economy
in the coming months and even the years.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Dan, appreciate your time this afternoon, Dan Mitchison, our US correspondent.
It is nineteen minutes away from five o'clock. You're on
news Talk CIBB. Cap of the Bobby thing keeps coming
back to haunt me. We're just my and comment. Didn't
we about Barbie? And you know you get diabetes Barbie,
Now that's the new thing, Ryan. The best is divorced.

(22:08):
Barbie comes with half of Ken's stuff, says Glenn. And
this one, this is another similar to the last one.
I work with deaf children and the children who have
Teddy Bears with hearing aids are absolutely overjoyed to share
these with me. We also have a library dedicated to
deaf soft toys and books. It's very hard to find

(22:30):
dolls or toys that represent those with disabilities. Isn't that
just heartbreaking and warming all at the same time? So
I don't know, I guess there is a market for it. Barbie, well,
I mean, Barbie's in business, been in business for decades.
They know what they're doing, don't they eighteen minutes away
from five news talks there b will get to Parliament next.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
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Speaker 3 (22:52):
Certainty newalks there be sixteen away from five. After five
the OCR decision will break it down then right now,
Jason Walls from Parliament. Hey Jason, good afternoon, Ryan jasindra Ad.
And so she's willing to provide evidence to the COVID committee.
Does that mean at ten? Does that mean zoomed?

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Does?

Speaker 3 (23:08):
What does it mean?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Do we know?

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Well, that's the exact question that we have.

Speaker 11 (23:12):
There was two interesting parts to the statement that she
gave to the Post. The first was if asked to
So we know this from Thomas Coglin's reporting that Dern
hasn't been formally asked to appear before the inquiry. There
there is hearings this week, but there's a more sort
of in August where there's a part where they're expected
to sort of bring in the key decision makers and

(23:33):
senior public and civil servants. And that's where she were
to would appear if she were if she was going
to so the Commission said in a statement, no decisions
have been made by the Commissioner about who will be appearing,
So we will have to wait and see if they
actually do ask her. And you know, I'm with you here,
I think that they probably should. The second part of
her statement is that she has every intention of providing evidence,

(23:54):
and you quite rightly latch onto that because what we
know from Chris Hipkins is what he told Kerry Woodham
yes today, is that you'd be providing responses to questions
that the committee has and that could be written responses.
So the question is, you know, if she were to apply,
say that she is fronting up, would she be doing
it in person or via zoom or would she just

(24:16):
be answering these questions. And I'll tell you one person
who has made their opinion clear on this, and that's
Nicola Willis.

Speaker 12 (24:22):
Well, look, it'll be up to the Royal Commission to
decide whether to invite her. But if she were invited,
I can't see why she wouldn't want to put her
side of the story calling on them to ask her.
And no, I wouldn't be appropriate for me to make
that call on them. That will be their decision to make.
I'm simply observing that I can't see why you wouldn't
front up to tell your side of the story if
you were given that opportunity.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
And I agree with it.

Speaker 11 (24:42):
I think she's bang on. Why wouldn't she want a
front up to tell her side of the story.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Mikola Willis says she's going to sit down with Miles
Harold why it.

Speaker 11 (24:51):
Was an interesting It was an interesting throwaway in a
press conference that she gave earlier. This afternoon, have a listener.

Speaker 12 (24:56):
I will be meeting with the Frontier chief executive and
the next while to talk to him about what we
can do to make sure that New Zealanders have affordable cheese,
milk and butter.

Speaker 11 (25:06):
And I thought this was quite fascinating, given the price
of milk is determined by the GDT auction and other
international factors. So I actually put this to Willis and
here's what she said.

Speaker 12 (25:14):
Look, I accept at a high level that that's the
case when there's a lot of demand for dairy products,
the price internationally goes up, and that's reflected here at home.
My question is about why sometimes we're seeing cheaper prices
than British or Australian supermarkets, and I'm interested to understand
how much of that is about the lack of supermarket

(25:34):
competition here and how much of that is about the
prices that Fonterra is passing through. So those are discussions
that I'm continuing because I know it bothers. Kiwi's you know,
the cheese gone, the butter on your toast, these are
Kiwi essentials.

Speaker 11 (25:48):
So it really sounds like she's yet again having another
crack at the supermarkets here and getting some information on that.
And you know she's She's gonne after the supermarkets quite
a lot during her tenure as Finance Minister. She ruled
out any subsidies. But David Seymour meanwhile was on the
country saying this.

Speaker 13 (26:05):
And thank god for Millcote nearly ten bucks and you know,
sheep and beef prices where they are, because otherwise would
have a very different story.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Which kind of highlights the double edged sword here.

Speaker 11 (26:14):
Higher dairy prices maybe hard for Kimi consumers, but you
know the farmers aren't complaining.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Absolutely not right. Finally, the Regulatory Standards Bill's Select Committee hearings,
You've got a quote of the day for us, Jason, Yeah,
I do.

Speaker 11 (26:27):
There's been so many submissions and I've listened into a few,
and this one comes from the Woke Lesbian Symposium.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
So again that's not.

Speaker 11 (26:34):
Me being facetious. That is actually the name of the group.
Here's how Cameron Brewer introduced them this morning.

Speaker 14 (26:40):
Now that brings us to the Woke Lisbo Symposium. This
did I have to say this. You were my nomination
and I'm sure others nominated you as well to speak
for me. It was purely out of intrigue, so please
don't disappoint.

Speaker 11 (26:56):
And they didn't disappoint. I ever listened to what they
had to say.

Speaker 15 (26:59):
Trickle down is like pissing on people and telling them
it's rain. As the work Lesbos Symposium, we recommend that
you tell Parliament to ditch this monstrosity.

Speaker 11 (27:10):
I just love New Zealand's democracy. Anyone can submit apparently,
So and there they are the walk Lesboel's good on
your walk, Lesbe's.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
It's great fun. Thanks Jason, Jason Wall's Parliament. It's eleven
away from five. Goodness me, Ryan Bridge, now just on
the butter because I get annoyed and sometimes Nikola willis
you think I know she's playing the political game. She's
playing the pr game. I will bash the supermarkets, we'll
bash the banks. Because cost the living. Sigh. Right now,

(27:38):
she's going to bash fon Terra, one of our most
successful companies, our biggest exporter. I mean, come on, Nikola,
you're better than this. We export a hell of a
lot more to the world than the Australian student. So
what about the difference in price and butter between here
and Australia. We export a hell of a lot more
to the world than the Aussies do. In twenty twenty three,
they exported nine tons. We exported four hundred forty tons

(28:01):
of butter. They exported two percent of the quantity that
we did, and that means that our price is way
more susceptible to the international market price. We export most
of our butter, we pay the international price. Australia, on
the other hand, eats a lot more of its own
and exports less. That's the reason for it. I don't know.

(28:21):
She's on a mission. Obviously, they have identified she's a
very smart political operator, and she has identified that cost
of living is a problem for national and her solution
is to get the biggest jackhammer a sledgehammer she can find,
and just go after the food producers and the suppliers

(28:44):
and the supermarkets ten to five Newstalk SETB.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Breakfast organized crime.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
The last report warned that corruption is getting worse.

Speaker 15 (28:56):
The report this time reckons that we can tackle us
by getting our communities involved.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
Steve Side as the chair of Ministerial Advisory Group for
Organized Crime, the first point is.

Speaker 16 (29:03):
To treat the community as part of the solution, getting
involved by giving them snational information that can use our
too many thinks it's a really good idea to let
the public, particularly in local communities, know what the real
problems of organized crime are for them and ways that
can identify that organized crime and work as a community
to try and support those who trying to break free
from bank customers of organized crime.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Either dupless Ellen on the mic, hosking Breakfast back tomorrow
at six am with Alvida retirement communities on news togs.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
There'd be seven to five. Got some more goalers gold
for you. We'll get to that in a second right now. Though,
Trump lasting out at reporters today. They wanted to ask
about Epstein. They are so obsessed about Jeffrey Epstein over there,
aren't they? Yesterday? Justice Department announces no evidence that Epstein
kept a quote client list or that he was murdered. Basically,

(29:54):
he took his own life in prison. Trump didn't want
to talk more about it at all.

Speaker 9 (29:58):
Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been
talked about for years. You're asking we have Texas, we
have this, we have all of the things, and are
people still talking about this guy? This creep that is unbelievable.
Do you want to waste the time and do you
feel like answering?

Speaker 17 (30:17):
I don't mind answering.

Speaker 9 (30:19):
I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on
at Epstein at a time like this where we're having
some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what
happened in Texas. It just seems like a desecration.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
But you go ahead.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
So that's Pam Bondie Blondie sitting next to him, and
she's been facing hate from the Mega supporters after giving
an interview on Fox earlier in the year. In that interview,
she was asked about the rumored client list.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Well, that really happened.

Speaker 17 (30:51):
It's sitting on my desk right now to review that's
been a directive by President Trump.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
I'm reviewing that.

Speaker 17 (30:57):
I'm reviewing JFK Fall's MLK. That's all in the process
of being reviewed because that was done at the directive
of the President from all of these agencies.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
So have you seen.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Anything that you said, Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 17 (31:10):
Not yet.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
So now Pam Bondi says she actually wasn't talking about
reviewing the Epstein client list, but the Epstein file, which
is a totally different thing. Of course, I don't know
he's dead. Who cares, now, you know what I mean.
That's my feeling on the whole thing. But they're all
got their nickers and a twist in the mega movement
about this and have done for now a week five
away from five Bridge. The regional council, this is another

(31:35):
one bites the dust. The Waiicuta regional council cutting ties
with local government New Zealand because some counselors, some felt
unhappy with its left leaning bureaucrats. Not only that, but
it's cost and it's relevance to regional councils. So what's
the telly at now? It must be at least ten
that have pulled out. We spoke to Eastern Bay of

(31:57):
Plenty a couple of months back. They pulled out, Auckland
had pulled out. Wellington still there of course, because I
mean they need friends, don't they. When you know, when
you're desperate, you need friends. But that list must be dwindling,
and I wonder what happens to that organization as a result.
Does it dwindle too further? Nine two nine two the

(32:19):
number to text. Now this is interesting. This is from
the government. They've got a group looking at what happens
to your flood damaged home. If you build on land
you know is prone to flooding, and you knew that
before you built it, or you knew that before you
bought the property, should the government come in and save

(32:40):
the day if and when eventually it does flood. That's
the question that this group's been tasked with answering. And
their answer is quite brutal, but I'm behind it. I'll
tell you what that is after five o'clock. Also, we'll
look at the ocr NO movement today. When will it
move and what's it all got to do with Trump?
Straight ahead News talks, be.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust for
the full picture. Brian Bridge on hither duplicy allan drive
with one New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Let's get connected. News talks.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
It be good evening, get to seven a half to
five news talks at b Another goal is scandal, a
bottomless brunch and claims of racism. Get to that in
a second. Right now, the Reserve Bank keeping the OCR
on hold three point twenty five percent. A pause on
our way down the OCR ladder, you could say, Brad
Olson for metrics with us. Now, Hi, Brad, good afternoon.
So what is with the pause?

Speaker 18 (33:57):
Well, it looks like the Reserve Bank is just a
bit cautious and being careful given all of the uncertainty
in the economy. Now you might think when I say uncertainty,
I mean the global ructions, tariffs and similar But actually
reading this statement from the Reserve Bank today, it seems
are just a little bit more cautious actually about the
likes of inflation, which you're seeing a few bits and

(34:17):
pieces starting to get a bit hotter a bit too quickly,
but also the uncertainty over New Zealand's economic recovery. We
had at the start of this year a good increase
in GDP up point eight percent, but economic indicators since
then have been a lot more challenging. And I think
that's where the Reserve Bank they just want another couple
of months of data to figure out where things are

(34:37):
going before they make their biggot next call over where
to next for interest rates.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Doesn't mean it's good for us, but to be fair
to them, we're a two and a half percent doesn't
take your much to notch up, and then you're close
to and you're almost touching, and then before you know it,
you're over.

Speaker 18 (34:52):
Well that's basically what we did last time. We kept
looking at the inflationary numbers and saying, look, they're not
good at the moment, but you know what, looking for forward,
they'll be all right. And then by the time we
figured out that they weren't all right, that inflation was
more persistent, things had gotten out of hand. But I
think also for the Reserve Bank, they're also banking on
the fact that interst rates are still down quite a

(35:14):
lot from where they've already been. You know, we've seen
two point two five percentage points lopped off the OCR
over the last year and a bit. That means that
for a lot of people. Yes, interest rates are still
they might be paying those high rates, but they will
be refixing at some point over the second half of
this year. A lot of the heavy liftings being done,
but the Reserve Bank trying to now calibrate what's the

(35:36):
right point and to be fair, Ryan, they also reckon
that there is more to come. They were quite explicit
today that if things continue to evolve as they broadly expect,
that will give them more scope to continue to cut
the official cash rate this year. I just don't think
there's too much more left in that. There's probably only
a few more tweaks, maybe one or two cuts by
the end of this year.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Get us down to three two point seventy five something
like that. Brad. Appreciate you. Brad Olson, Infometrics, Principal Economist
nine after five, Ryan Bridge job seeker beneficiaries could soon
be sent to Tasman Marlborough to help with the cleanup
after the floods. They'll be paid to do things like
clear debris and repair buildings and waterways, et cetera. Craig
Churchill with MSD joins me Now, Hi, Craig, Hi, Ryan,

(36:20):
how's it going?

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Good? Thank you? This sounds like a great idea, great initiative.
Have you had any takers at this point?

Speaker 19 (36:26):
Thanks for your question, Ryan, Yes, it's a really great
initiative and something we've been using in past emergency response
to me invents and to answer case. And yes, we've
had a lot of interest to come and help clean
up the devastating impact in Tasman from job seekers, from
job seekers, people currently on job seeker benefit and actually
people just wanting to help the community that's been impacted.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Great. How many job seekers have you had you apply?

Speaker 19 (36:53):
Look, I don't know exactly how many. I know there's
sort of been half a dozen that have been flagged
through to me before on ere but we currently have
six hundred work ready job seekers in Tasman, so there's
a lot of opportunity to get some people out to
help the community.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
So you've got six hundred job seekers in the region
and six have put their hands up.

Speaker 19 (37:15):
No, we only had six that's been flagged to me
so far, but I know our teams and service centers
have been working with job seekers that want to help,
and I know from the community meetings that I've been
attending over the last week there's been a lot of
interest by people, including our job seekers.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Okay, that's good. What about accommodation, transport and stuff of people,
if job seekers want to actually go there and do work,
do you provide help with that stuff?

Speaker 19 (37:39):
We certainly do, although will be certainly targeting job seekers
that are willing to help in the area. So we
do have a lot of job seekers close to the area,
and we're talking motor wacre up tapware in Natomoti Valleys
and bright Water and Wakefield, so we'll be working for
those that are closest.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
First, Craig, what happens if you know you've got six
hundred job seekers? What happens if there are only six
who actually put their hands up and do this. Does
that mean that the others really aren't seeking jobs?

Speaker 8 (38:10):
A great question.

Speaker 19 (38:11):
Look, we know from past experience and unfortunately we've had
a bit of practice at this with Marlborough and Bailer
on the West Coast. We've actually had a lot of
job seekers register interest to help and events like this,
and this is a significant event that's going to take
quite some time to recover from. People are really willing
to help, including a job seekers. They're often the first
to put their hand up.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Okay, all right, Craig, Well, hopefully you get that number
multiplies quickly, rapidly to meet the six hundred who are
obviously on the job seeker benefit. Right now, twelve minutes
after five on news talks.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
There'd beg Brian Bridge.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Now, I said we'd get to Goldra's garment, and we are.
So this is a herald story. Golera's garment no longer
any peace. So we actually we shouldn't care. We should
just all walk away from this and forget about it.
And yet here we are slightly intrigued. What is it now?
Former Green Party MP Goaler's garment taken to social media
to call out an Auckland restaurant. So this is her

(39:09):
calling them out. She's alleging that has subjected her dining
group to gross treatment and canceled their booking midway through
a meal. However, the Italia restaurant on K Road has
claimed that Garaman's own behavior was lacking and the incident
has made him question offering the eateies wait for it,

(39:30):
bottomless brunch. It's the beginning of all bad stories. Obviously.
The owner says Garman had a little bit too much
to drink and didn't behave appropriately. That's all I can say.
She apparently holds up. This isn't her post. So they're
at lunch. She says, do not go to Italia. I mean,

(39:54):
first of all, as a former MP who says and
living in the area, who says, don't go this restaurant.
You know who's blacklisting restaurants, Well goalras Garment's doing it.
Don't go to this restaurant. We had the most gross
treatment and had this booking randomly midway canceled and not
accepted even when I showed them the booking. Anyway, she says,
some incredible Mardi Pacifica and queer leaders were totally screwed

(40:18):
over mid brunch in the face of a written confirmation.
It was sad and it was a bleep and it
was not the cutting a happy copepper. And that'll be
the last goal of story, we do, I promise. Fourteen
after five news talk said b coming up next. We've
got plenty more to get through. We are talking a

(40:39):
little bit more about the MOA, but also David Graham
who was rescued and the Tatadoo arrangers yesterday by the
Air Force with his dog because his sleeping bag had
literally frozen solid. He was hypothermic, but he's rescued his
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Ford Slash Free Trial Graham Bridge, b. Five eighteen. A
happy ending for a Tatadoo tramper David Graham and his
dog Winnie. They found themselves on the multi day tramp
in the Tutadoro Rangers and freezing conditions had to be
airlifted out by an Air Force chopper in the middle
of the night. No, lest this is Tuesday morning. David

(42:30):
Grahame's with me now, David, Good evening.

Speaker 8 (42:33):
Good evening.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
How's it going.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, good to have you on the show. How are
you feeling.

Speaker 20 (42:37):
Yeah, I'm feeling very good. Thank you. Sitting in my
last warm car in Lower hut here, it's yeah, it's
a good place to be.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Okay. First of all, why were you tramping when it
was so damned cold.

Speaker 20 (42:50):
It's just the I suppose when you get up into
the mountains and you yeah, you get see the Lord's
creation from that kind of height, fifteen hundred meters, you
can see those sunsets. It's a pretty special place to be.
And there's yeah, there's almost nowhere else I'd rather be.
When when things are going to plan, for sure, and.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
You were well, you were well prepared, you know, overnight gear,
all that stuff. When did you realize something was wrong?

Speaker 20 (43:16):
So I realized I wasn't going to make it to
the buvy, and so with the cloud cover run, I decided, right,
I'll just pack up here.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
For the night.

Speaker 20 (43:27):
It was about I think about thirteen and a half, sorry,
thirteen hundred meters at that point, and then about nine
nine pm the cloud lifters and yeah, dropped a whole
bunch of jommy, which froze up pretty quick. When my
dog started shaking, I realized that it was yeah, the

(43:49):
temperature was pretty yeah, getting dropping pretty quick. And so
at that point I got in touch with the emergency services.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Probably a good call because this so you thought you'd
wait till the morning and then your sleeping bag freezing.
You know, things aren't looking good. So what how did
the rescue go? Just amazing?

Speaker 20 (44:08):
And this is you know, I'm not a huge fan
of having you know, being on radio is getting caught
out like this, but I just the reason I said
yes to coming on on here is just to say
thank you to the New Zealand Defense Force and the police,
and they honestly just do such a good job and
they made it really simple. They were just absolutely superb,

(44:29):
so I couldn't thank them thank the more. I got
in touch with the with the police coordinator at about
two am and said, look, conditions getting pretty bad. I'm
really cold up here. A text that pretty well just
said that, and so they change from getting search and

(44:51):
rescue to come in, they do daylight rescues. So the
police officer in charge got in touch with nd DF
and they organized one of the force choppers to come in.
They arrived I think about four point thirty am. Once
the dog up first, which is good, that's the priorities.
Cute little kelpie, and they came back down and got me, yeah,

(45:13):
straight into a hot chopin and a crumpchy bar, which
was exactly what I needed to get my sugars back
up and feeling comfortable. But you're just, honestly just all
thanks to those those guys and girls that looked after me.
I really appreciate.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
It well, and you're a very lucky guy. And as
you say, thanks to those rescuers who did the hard work.
David Graham rescued Tramper from the Tataders and a dog, Winnie,
both safe and well twenty one minutes after five, you're
on news Talk set B after five, So Brian Roach,
who's the Public Service Commissioner. They've done a survey of
all the public servants and a lot of them apparently

(45:50):
look around their office and think that person's not here
on merit, that person's not here on merit. In fact,
most of them think that they surrounded by people not
there on merit. So Brian Roach after five point thirty News.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
TALKSB Informed Inside into today's issues. It's Ryan Bridge on
Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
News Talks, NB twenty five after five. The moa or moer,
if you're in the South Island and this case we are,
was a visionary bird well ahead of its time. Bringing
them back from extinction makes perfect sense. We'll be setting
them free. They can finally live their b ls, live
their best lives, spread their wings metaphorically of course, because
they don't actually have wings. But they'll be free in

(46:38):
this brave, new modern world. Firstly, they're vegan, so hip
and trendy box number one, big tick. Wait till they
try the incredible burger. That's the faux meet Burger. They
just will blow their minds after six hundred years of sleep.
The eggplant sandwiches with the vegan slow they're going to
love that. Wait for it, though they get woker. The

(47:01):
women are dominant one and a half times bigger than
the men. Did you know this is a true fact?
And two and a half times the weight. Very trendy
progressive box number two, tick number three. Turns out they
were quite oppressed back in the day. Victims you could
call them, also very trendy. Today hunted to extinction by

(47:22):
men with spears, slaughtered eaten, and you know what that means.
In twenty twenty five lived experience, congratulations, Wait for the
Wellness podcast and the Oprah interview. And then there's the
obvious but awkward issue of being a bird with no wings,
a bird that can't fly? Can we so embarrassed by

(47:43):
this that they only come out at night in case
anyone notices this deformity? But more up to three and
a half meters tall in broad daylight, quite hard to miss.
It's you know, you can't hide behind a tree, can you?
You can't hide behind another bird. You're the biggest one
in the bush. I'll stick out like the Skytower anyway,
that'll be more fodder for the podcast, no doubt. So

(48:06):
to the More who we will soon raise from the dead.
Welcome to a brand new world. Welcome to the world
you deserved from the beginning.

Speaker 21 (48:16):
Ryan Bridge twenty seven after five News Talk said be
we'll get to Sir Brian Roach and the huddle after Newson.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Put some Mason on the iHeart app and in your
car on your drive home, it's Ryan Bridge on Hither
Duplessylan Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected. News
Talk said Bill.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
I can't remember everything we.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Say, we said it.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
It's so many that you where's hours?

Speaker 22 (49:06):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (49:06):
It's twenty five away from six News Talks to b
We're going to get to the huddle in just the second.
Tricius and Mark Sainsbury will be with us.

Speaker 15 (49:13):
Ryan.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Can you imagine the mess when these new More get
hit by a car or a truck on our state highways?
Bad enough cleaning us, It's bad enough cleaning up the pookicko.
This text all the practical thoughts, all the practical thoughts
when look, when the mile come back, we have to act.
It's like it's like when somebody comes to Earth from

(49:34):
out of space. You know, we come in peace. It's
it's gonna be one of those moments. So when it
when it wakes up and it comes out of its
little shell and the world's media is there, we have
to be nice, you know, we don't don't drive your
truck over the thing and just on the PERKICKO Ryan
as well.

Speaker 8 (49:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 13 (49:51):
I don't think I've ever managed to hit a pook
ecko when I'm driving. Maybe the texts will correct me
on this, but it seems like they always just dodder
around in the middle of the road, and it seems
like you're going to run the stupid thing over, but
somehow they always fly out of the way just at
the very last second.

Speaker 8 (50:04):
Really annoying.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
We've going to put some put the gas on, clearly,
just at the last minute, twenty four minutes away from
six Ryan Bridge. A survey of more than forty thousand
of our public servants has revealed some tough home truths.
Fewer than half are confident their colleagues were hired based
on merit. Yeah, four and five say staffing levels and

(50:27):
work volumes are a problem, and just fifty seven percent
think senior leaders articulate the direction and priorities of their organization. Well,
just one in three were happy with their pay. Sir
Brian Roach is the Public Service Commissioner. Sir Brian, Hello,
good afternoon. So what is this survey telling you.

Speaker 8 (50:48):
The survey tells me that actually the state of the
public sector is pretty good. We've got some strong foundations
around our staff understanding yet that what they do makes
the difference MW zealand that integrity is important. So the
foundations are good, but we also have quite a bit
of homework to do and that there is a number

(51:08):
of issues they've highlighted that they would like us to
pay attention to around an efficient decision making, complicated business
processes for communications. So yeah, I think it's good and
it gives us a lot to get on with and
that's what we're going to do.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Four out of five say staffing levels and work volumes
are a problem. Is that in their heads or is
that real? Do we actually need more public servants?

Speaker 8 (51:35):
I don't think we need more public servants and that's
not something I'll be focused on. I do think that's
how people feel, and I'm not going to be dismissedive
of it. So I need to get to understand is
that is the issue? Actually? What is our response? And
you know, I've said a number of times publicly and
we'll continue that there is scope to simplify and give

(51:57):
people more time to do the work they need. I
think there are tools and techniques, including the introduction of AI,
which will help people do their tasks, and that's what
the government is committed to and that's what I want
to lead.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
What about this issue of merit, So I'm quite a
shocking number, you know, forty four percent confident their colleagues
will have hired based on merit. What will the rest
hide on?

Speaker 8 (52:22):
Yeah, I mean I was sort of shocked by that,
and it's not something that I believe is true at
the senior levels of the public service. I mean, there
are a lot of levels here, So you know, I'm
not once again, I'm not going to dismiss that because
that's what people think, and I don't want to get
into some form of deniability. Let's just work through the
issues with them and find out whether that's true or not.

(52:42):
I would be shripped and I'd be extremely disappointed if
that's actually factually.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Based did you ask or do you have any idea?
Have you asked a question? If not hired on merit,
then what they were hired on.

Speaker 8 (52:55):
I didn't ask that. That's not how it was structured.
But you know the fact that they think that is
in itself quite confronting because we pride ourselves in New
Zealand generally in the public service, particularly that people get
their jobs based on their skill and their merit.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Clearly they don't think that that's happening in the public service.
That's a major problem.

Speaker 8 (53:18):
Yeah, I'm not denying that, but we are going to
have to address that. As I said, I'm very comfortable
at the very senior levels that it is based on theirt,
but there is a view in some of the levels
down in the organizations that that's not always the case.
How do it's completely unacceptable?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
How do you fix that? How do you fix that?
Do you say, because you can't go around and say, well,
you don't hire people based on that, do you? I
mean you can't do the opposite.

Speaker 8 (53:45):
No, but I mean ultimately hiring somebody as a matter
of judgment, they have to have good technical skills and
they need really good characters. So it's something I've reinforced
to the chief executives. We do not want this perception
that people are getting jobs on other than what they
bring to the job and their ability to do the job.
That goes to the very harder confidence and trust. It's

(54:06):
not something that we want to be playing with.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Just a third of them think they're paid enough. One
third think they're paid enough. The average salary one hundred thousand,
just over one hundred thousand dollars. Are they out of touch?

Speaker 8 (54:17):
I don't think they're out of touch. I've never been
in a workplace where people don't think they should get
paid more.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Have you seen? Reality is that's quite a bad number
of those that way.

Speaker 8 (54:28):
I think two thirds thinking that they are paid enough
is good. One seats so they don't think they're being
paid enough. Once again, I'm not going to sort of
whitewash that away, but you know, we're in very tight
fiscal constraint. We always want to pay people what they're
with and I think for overwhelming majority we do. But
as I said, I've never been in a workplace where

(54:50):
there's an element of people who don't think they should
get paid more.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
So Brian just finding sixty five thousand public servants. How
many do you think ideally, once you've finished your reforms,
once your fine, that we would need.

Speaker 8 (55:02):
I actually don't have that number. I haven't got a number.
But what I do know is that with some greater
sort of restructuring, which I know people don't want to hear,
but the reality is we've got too many agencies, we
need to reduce the number. And with the introduction of AI,
I think that there are significant gains to be made
and we will be making those over the next two

(55:23):
to four years.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
So there you go. More restructures to come that Sir
Brian Wroach, the Public Services Commissioner, after a survey of
public servants found some odd and some predictable results, have
just gone nineteen away from six.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty Unique Homes,
Uniquely for You.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
On the Huddle of tonight, trist Churson, Sheerson, willis pr
good evening, Good evening, Bryan and Mark Sainsbury Sainso coming
from Wellington. How are you, oh sains o? Hello, Hello, Yes,
good to have you on these Yeah, good thank good
to be here.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Ok.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
So everyone working in Wellington, well half the people working
around apparently not there on merit? What do you reckon?

Speaker 23 (56:06):
Look, that's I tell you.

Speaker 24 (56:07):
I was staggered by that as well, and can see
why old Sir Brian was. I mean, some of the
stuff you're going to expect. No one's ever happy about
their job. But that thing of looking around whether people
are hard on merit is worrying.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
It's interesting if you look around your office, what do
you reckon?

Speaker 8 (56:25):
That the center jould be well, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Well, I mean, I don't know what they were, what
they were hired on, but it certainly wasn't merit. No,
they're all pretty capable. Yeah, yeah, it's a hard question
answer while they're looking at me.

Speaker 25 (56:46):
I mean back in the day when I worked with
Sainzo and the TV and ZED, the illustrious TV and
ZED newsroom in Wellington and Pitticot House, I remember giving
a number of colleagues the side eye day to day
on whether they were there on probably including you, saying
so somedays, what do you mean somedays?

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Every day you kipping even on the side.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Hey, the beneficiaries and this is not all beneficiaries, this
is jobs seeking beneficiaries in Tasman Nelson. I thought, great this,
I wanted to do this on the show today the
producer said it was a story that was coming out
and this is about getting job seeker beneficiaries doing the
clean up. Great idea that this.

Speaker 25 (57:29):
Is absolutely fantastic. Look, don't forget this is it's it's
an invitation to take part. It's not. It's not compulsory.
Plus you get paid on top of your benefit, so
you're not it's not forced labor out there. Plus, the
other thing I would think about if I were a
job seeker is that you're going out into the community.

(57:50):
A lot of the people who will be employing you
are farmers and other people with businesses in the community
doing these cleanups. So it's also a great way to
get out and meet press sprecked of employers and get
some more skills to put on your CV.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
I think it's fantastic totally. But then we spoke to
the MSD guys, how many you know applicants you had
out of the six hundred jobs seeker beneficiaries in the region,
they've had six, saying.

Speaker 24 (58:16):
The one the one percent?

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah, literally, I mean, what is like fresh?

Speaker 8 (58:21):
I think it's a great idea isn't it right? I
mean you sort of think. Yet you've got people who.

Speaker 24 (58:25):
Are looking to and quite often people are out of work. Mean,
we have this view that Evan's listless and sitting around.
People want to be doing something, you know, and it
offer all sorts of things that has Chris said. It
also exposed them to other people. You might get job
offers or opportunities and everything like that. The only thing
I wonder about is that you sold you answer my
question as to how many people were available, And it's

(58:48):
just the logistics of you know, we're going to put
them if they're going out to other areas, you know where.

Speaker 6 (58:52):
They're going to stay.

Speaker 24 (58:53):
But I think if you can, if you can utilize,
and it's win win for everyone.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Yeah, I agree. They did say that they would help Worth,
trantsport and all that kind of stuff. So you know,
do a van and pick them up whatever.

Speaker 25 (59:03):
Well, that's great, and that's often a big barrier, right
people either haven't got their driver's license or right at
the moment they can't afford the petrol to get out there.
But before we cast dispersions on those six hundred job seekers,
there's a couple of things I'd say one is number
one is probably early days. And number two how effective
is the communication out from MSD to all of these people.

(59:24):
We don't know how many of them have actually been
reached by this.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
All right, well that's reasonable My aspersions were casting quite wide.

Speaker 25 (59:31):
Well, sorry to burst your.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Bubble, Hey, the big story today. Undoubtedly you know the
OCA has gone nowhere, but it's the mower and we'll
get reaction with Trish and Mark on that.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Next the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the
ones fun massed results.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Twelve away from six news talks, there'd be Trice Shurson, Shurson,
Willis pr and Mark Sains be broadcast on the huddle
Tonight's right. The more they are saying they're going to
bring it, well, they'll bring back a version of the
MOA through via a cousin in South America, so it
won't be an exact replica, but they are aiming to
de extinct this animal that, when extinct six hundred years ago,

(01:00:14):
used to rham around, particularly the South Island. Quite a
big thing there, Trisia on board.

Speaker 25 (01:00:20):
I think the story is great, but more for the
fact that the best book I have read this year
and I've just finished. It is called The Life and
Death of New Zealand's legendary bird, the More, by Quinn Brerenson.
It is a must read if you're into New Zealand history.
I had never heard of it, picked it up this year.
It was out in twenty thirteen and was the science

(01:00:41):
book of the year. And what that book actually told
me is number one as New Zealand as we know
very little about the More, but they were the most
unusual and unique family of birds that ever lived. Yes,
their ancestor came from South America and the kiwis flew
over from Ozzie. But the interesting thing about trying to

(01:01:03):
bring back the more is not only are they extinct,
but their habitat is extinct. So where the most moer
bones have been found, and there were the highest populations,
was in central Otago. We think of that as a
wasteland and a big rocky moonscape, you know when you
drive through those amazing places. Actually it was the site
of some of New Zealand's most amazing forests and that

(01:01:26):
was the home of the More. But what happened was
the hunters of the More literally smoked them out by
burning those forests. So if we bring back the More,
we haven't. We haven't got the forests for them. But
I would say to anyone who's interested in this, get
get a hold of that book. It's absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Mark, what's your thoughts on bringing back the more?

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:01:48):
The Dinornus robustus? Of course, I was reminded there was
a New Zealand first and the act MP back at
the two of the century called Jerry Yekov, and he
was talking about farming kiwi because he said, if you
want to want any species to survive, turn them into
a money spinner. So the logical extension of that would

(01:02:08):
be is that you bring back the More you farm them,
and then you have the sort of like the world's
biggest sort of KFCs.

Speaker 23 (01:02:16):
I look at that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
It's amazing.

Speaker 24 (01:02:18):
We love these stories, don't we, This idea of somehow
bringing these back, and it's been tried before. I went
on a school trip to the West Coast when I
was like, you know, primary school, and I met this
guy down there. I had a pair of sandals with
these homemade mower's feet on them, and he used to
go walking around in the bush and the trick to
it was he got big heaps of guano and sort

(01:02:39):
of made giant turds basically and less than the tracks.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
And the Japanese sent out a whole film.

Speaker 8 (01:02:45):
Crew to come up and try find this thing.

Speaker 24 (01:02:48):
So it's looks it's tent. It's been cantilizing. We all
still hear stories. Could they still be in Fiordland? But
the science is just getting so advanced.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
I look at it. I think it's just been astonishing.

Speaker 25 (01:02:59):
Here's a fun fact for you. The name dinornis for
the more actually came from the same root name is
for the dinosaur because the scientist in Victorian England, a
guy called Richard Owen, who really became the father of
the more and More discovery, he was working on the
dinosaur discoveries at the same time, and so that's where

(01:03:20):
the name came from. There, I tell you, I just
my cup runneth.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Over with you, belong over on aaron.

Speaker 16 (01:03:28):
Z also.

Speaker 25 (01:03:31):
The first learning out of this book. And I've always
pronounced this incorrectly, but the pronounce it more as an
I want more, not maa as in the lawn mower.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Yeah. Yeah, although it is the South Island version, so
you might get more of a moa than more. Hey,
it's a fascinating thing. And the hearst eagle as well,
three meter wingspan, this was its prey. So so when
the mole went that, when the more went, the hast
eagle went to.

Speaker 25 (01:04:00):
Yeah, that is exactly right. That that is when the
hearst eagle had nothing to feed on. And in fact,
the haast eagle you could think of that in New Zealand.
Remember we had no mammalian predators, so no lions and tigers.
The hast eagle was our equivalent. That was at the
top of the apex predator.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Fascinating stuff, Trisiana. You'll have to do your own podcast,
I reckon, Ah, we'll get it.

Speaker 25 (01:04:22):
Find old Quinn Berenson because honestly, people who can write
history like that, that is a fantastic story. I think
it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Tri Huson and Mark Sainsbury on the Huddle tonight. Thanks guys.
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a new report out today This is from a group
that was set up. If you've had your house flooded
or you no people have had their houses flooded. It's
a horrible thing to happen. But the question is who's
responsible for it? If you buy how us on flood
prone land, or if your house gets flooded and then

(01:05:05):
you insist on staying on that land despite advice, who
should help you? The taxpayer? So the government set up
this is a while back, set up a group a
panel basically of experts that's you know, your insurers, your EWE,
your local government, whole economists, whole bunch of them to
give them some advice before they legislate. Now, Labour didn't legislate,
so the group's still going. National still hasn't legislated, still going,

(01:05:28):
but they have decreed homeowners whose homes are flooded or
damaged by whether events should not expect buyouts in the future.
They do suggest a transition period of twenty years to
let this settle in so that people know the risks
that they're taking, which I sort of agree with. I mean,

(01:05:49):
if you buy on flood prone land, I'm sorry that's
on you, and if you get flooded, but you insist
on staying on that land. That is totally fair enough.
But taxpayers can't be forking out every time it rains,
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Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
It is seven after six News Talk, said B. Lots
to come in this hour, including a Milford Market update.
This is post the rbn z's update today, Tony Tip
training with us in Wellington, the Uber Supreme Court case
continue and a fairy tale looking London as an official
state visit for Emmanuel Marker on the French Leader Today.

(01:07:08):
We'll get checking with Gavin Gray out of the UK
shortly right now. Remember last week we revealed that IKEA
Big Store had to consult with seven different Mana Fenua
groups to build their Sylvia Park store, including inviting them
to perform Katakiir and other cultural ceremonies on the site
three separate times. Well, the Under Secretary for RMA Reform Acts,

(01:07:30):
Simon Court, has gone through some more resource consents and
found even more ridiculous examples. One resource consent in Central
Hawk's Bay requires local Hupu to be invited to give
a kadakier whenever a native plant or tree is removed.
Simon Court is with me now, high Simon.

Speaker 23 (01:07:50):
Good evening, Ryan, So what exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Is have you found in Hawk's Bay?

Speaker 23 (01:07:57):
Well, right, we've found more more mad resource consent conditions
for solar farms in Central Hawks Bay, which include, as
you pointed out, inviting Manifena to perform prayers before removing
any native trees or plants, and requiring the developer to
provide written reports every six months until at least two

(01:08:17):
years after construction's finished, outlining how they can fly with
a sixty six page cultural impact assessment and what ongoing
reporting around that. What this means is that if solar
farms can't get built, or if they get built, but
there's all this extra cost that's going to add to
your power bill. We hear councils and many others saying

(01:08:39):
they want more renewable energy, but then in the resource
consenting space they demand ceremonial chanting and spreadsheet level detail
about everything a contractor does when they're building and developing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
The site, whose land is it.

Speaker 8 (01:08:55):
Well.

Speaker 23 (01:08:55):
These two sites that we've been looking at this week
are both around online owner in Central Hawk's Bay. One
is owned privately, the other is owned by the local
lines company. The private developer was proposing a solar farm
that would supply eighteen thousand homes. They're in liquidation because
they can't make the economics of their proposal stack up.

(01:09:19):
So the question is there are many of these projects
that we need to get built, go simply cost more,
which is going to add to people's power bills, or
just never get.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
Built at all.

Speaker 23 (01:09:30):
Like one of these projects in Ogwong, it looks like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
What's the theory? So this one that's on private land,
it's a private solar farm on private land, as you say,
the gone bus, But what's the logical the theory of
having mana Feno was so involved with the cut of
here and stuff. Would what is the theory?

Speaker 23 (01:09:49):
Will Ryan. It's a wonky theory. And it's called the
Resource Management Act. And what parts of the Resource Management
Act say is that planners and decision makers has to
give a high level of weight to the Treaty of
Waiting principles and to other cultural matters when they're coming
up with resource consent conditions. Now, we can't get things

(01:10:10):
built in New Zealand if we're going to force the
companies to essentially perform ceremonial chanting every time they want
to get something built. And that's why ACT committed to
scrapping the resource management We campaigned on that before the
last election. We've got that into the National Act Coalition
agreement and one of the things I'm working on is

(01:10:31):
delivering a new piece of resource management law that's based
on property rights and without this General Treaty principle's clause
that drives this kind of insanity.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Have you discussed with the locally about the need for
these three separate cut of here?

Speaker 23 (01:10:47):
Well, I haven't personally discussed it with them, but one
of the problems we've.

Speaker 21 (01:10:51):
Got is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Local Did the landmen, did anyone actually just say, hey,
do we need to do all this stuff? Is as necessary?
Because I mean they might do they even know?

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
I mean?

Speaker 8 (01:11:00):
Is this?

Speaker 27 (01:11:03):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:11:03):
Ryan?

Speaker 23 (01:11:04):
I was a civil engineering project manager for nearly twenty
five years before I was elected as an ACT MP,
and what I do know is that the kind of
questions you've asked, do we even need any of this stuff?
Are often asked at the projects stage. But once you
go to your local council, they'll say, oh, Craigie, do
you know who the manafenua is in your area and
have you consulted with them? And you say, well, no,

(01:11:24):
what interests would they have in a solar farm? Well
it turns out, according to counsel and under the RMA,
they do have an interest. And that's why councils keep
enforcing all of these conditions on developers. And if you
want your resource consent, eventually you're just going to roll
over and say yes to it, no matter what the cost.
And that's why we have to replace the Resource Management
Act with the system based on property right. So you

(01:11:46):
youb and I've given us elves to the end of
the year to introduce it, and we'll have that legislation
into the House later this year.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Okay, so later this year when when will at part
by the end of by the start next year a
path and.

Speaker 23 (01:11:58):
We're aiming to have it passed through all stages by
the middle of twenty twenty six and implemented in large
part immediately, but with a full implementation date of one
July twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
One July okay, but by mid twenty twenty six we
will have the legislation passed that will put an end
to all of this.

Speaker 23 (01:12:20):
Well, what it's going to do is say, where there
was a treaty settlement and you know the government has
agreed that there are certain Ewe or hapu who have
a right to have their say at the planning stage,
then those.

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
Rights should be preserved.

Speaker 23 (01:12:34):
But when it comes to individual consent conditions like the
I care one you referenced before saying up to seven
mon of fenoma, groups have to be consulted. And by
the way, you have to invite them to every stage
of construction, site clearance, earthworks, putting the site back together
again to say prayers. We're not going to have that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Simon Court at party MP. Nice to have you on
the program. Time is thirteen minutes after six and we'll
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Inzt Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Let's go check in with the markets now, Milford Asset Management,
Remy Morgan's with us Hi Remy Hi, Ryan so RBNZ.
Obviously holding today is expected. How's the market reacting?

Speaker 8 (01:14:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 28 (01:14:17):
For going into the announcement today, the market was pricing
very low odds of a rate card at this meeting,
and in the statement, it was clear that the RBNZ
does still expect to lower the ocr further, which is
consistent with what they outlined in May. Now post the statement,
there was actually a bit of volatility in the market
with New Zealand dollar swap rates and the currency moving

(01:14:38):
a little higher initially, but these moves they quickly unwound
and then they settled sort of roughly where you'd expect,
given there were no real surprises.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
And what is the market expecting from here?

Speaker 28 (01:14:51):
Yeah, So the interest rate market, it's pricing roughly a
two out of three chance of a cut in August
and at least one full cut by Christmas. It's not
too dissimilar to what it was thinking going into the
announcement today, and it's currently expecting around one and a
half to two further cuts from here in total, and
that will see the end of the interest rate cutting cycle,

(01:15:14):
bottoming out it just under three percent. But whether these
market views will change or not will really depend on
where the domestic data lands and policy developments offshore.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Remy Trump's all over the place on tariffs at the moment,
but has deadline self imposed deadline of night Drive technically
expires overnight tonight our time. How market's looking.

Speaker 28 (01:15:35):
Yeah, So you'll recall back in April, following the initial announcement,
we saw global indices like the S and P five
hundred dropped significantly, But over the last ninety days we've
seen a lot of recovery and new highs reached. Now
already this week we've seen Trump releasing some of his
tariff plans, but with a first of August implementation, and

(01:15:55):
we've seen global equities edge down a little on sentiment,
but only very slightly. And maybe one area to call
out specifically is US pharmaceutical stocks, So they did pair
back on some prior gains, and that was because there
was some news overnight that they could be facing up
to two hundred percent tariffs on their products manufactured outside
of the US, But it wasn't a major negative reaction,

(01:16:18):
and that's likely because those specific tariffs would have quite
some time before they would potentially be implemented. So I
think that I think things could still be a bit choppy,
but global equity markets have held up reasonably well so
far amongst all of the noise.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
I certainly have remy appreciate that update. Thank you, very much,
Rumy Morgan Milford Asset Management. It is nineteen after six
year old news Talk ZBB still to come. We'll get
to your showbiz news and I'll give you a little
insight into what's going on at the White House with
Trump and with the tariffs and with the new letters
that he's sending. The guy that's behind it all that's next.

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Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
News Talks v.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Sex twenty two on News Talk said, be great to
have your company this evening. I spoke to you last
night about Trump, and you've got to just follow what
he does, not what he says. That's the bat, that's
the gist of the White House. But I've been looking
and for a couple of months now, I've been following
Scott Beson. He's the Treasury secretary, right He's one of

(01:17:26):
Trump's right hand men and clearly very trusted. He's an
old Wall Street guy. He's the one that designed some
of the tariffs. But he's also the one that got
Trump to pull back from the brink and go with
the ninety day pause. So thank you Scott Besson't because
he's clearly an adult in the room. Now, I've been
trying to figure out what is going on with the

(01:17:47):
deadlines extended in the last twenty four hours. Now, Trump's
sending letters threatening some countries, all of that bluster going on. Well,
the Wall Street Journal has a backgrounder on these and
they say that it's actually Bessent who again is behind it.
He pushed Trump for an extension to delay the reciprocal
tariffts further. You know, Trump wanted to just throw the

(01:18:10):
baby out with the batha, to chuck the tariffs on
and to hell with it, you know, let them burn.
Bessont has his ear, talks him down, says, actually, we're
close to a deal with the EU and close to
a deal with India, which, if that's true, is massive,
and that's the holy grail. What kind of deal and
how comprehensive, we don't know, but that's how he's managed

(01:18:33):
to do it. He said, give us a little more time.
We're nearly there with some of these big boys. Just
give us a little bit more time. And so they have.
And so the compromise was, we will extend the deadline,
but we'll send some threatening letters so that Trump feels
like he's you know, banging his chest and he's not
being pushed over and walked over. And that is where
we are right now. The deadline official deadline does extend

(01:18:54):
overnight our time. Officially, it's just gone twenty four minutes
after six rich and you know what that means, showbiz time.
As the sun sets on the superhero trend in Hollywood,
a new movie out tomorrow is aiming to take back
the narrative and get you back to the cinema.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
Superman, Miss Lane, in fact, you illegally entered the country.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
This is how you're going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
I'm not the one being interviewed Superman.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
So brand new take on Superman by Guardians of the
Galaxy director James Gunn, trying to reintroduce us to America's
ultimate superhero, relatively unknown actor David Corn sweat unfortunate name,
but he is Superman. Nicholas Holt is the bald, slimy
villain Lex Luthor. Reviews dropped today, so everyone wants to

(01:19:44):
know what's happening. Is it good? Is it worth watching?
Reviews drop today, the film receiving an eighty seven percent
positive rotten Tomatoes score on the review aggregate website. Critics
who saw the film early love a return to optimism
and blockbuster film filmmaking. They like the balance of humor
and drama, which is great. Those who weren't so positive,

(01:20:05):
so the film feels bloated and unfocused, saying the attempt
to reinvent the wheel has instead made it rusty. Honestly,
who listens to these people? But well, obviously we do.
The director got in a bit of hot water earlier
this week when he referred to Superman as an immigrant tale.

Speaker 26 (01:20:24):
Hm.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Many commentators jumped on the remark, calling the film super woke.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
We don't go to the movie theater to be lectured too,
and to have somebody throw their ideology onto us.

Speaker 8 (01:20:35):
I wonder if it will be successful.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
That woman was from Fox News. The director's brother, Sean Gunn,
who appears in the film, fired back at the comments,
saying we love our immigrants. If you don't like that,
then you're not American and you can find out for
yourself if the film is super good or super terrible
when it hits Kiwi Cinemas from tomorrow. Ryan Bridge just
glad that there's another movie out there. That I actually

(01:21:00):
I should have asked and how long is it? Oh? Oh,
you need to look that up runtime. I'm going to
get Do you want to skip right.

Speaker 13 (01:21:08):
To the end so you can spoil that one as
well if you spoiled it one earlier this week?

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Oh, two hours nine, that's reasonable. That's reasonable. I suppose
when you've got kids, or if you're trying to attract
younger people, you don't want them. They're too long, you know,
because their attention spans are a lot shorter. Two hours
nine I could do. I'm happy with that. News Talks
ZB coming up after the news at half six, we're
talking to Jane Tips Trainey. She's got a yarn about

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Uber and the Supreme Court. News Talk ZEDB.

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Now it's twenty six away from seventy. You're on News Talks.
It would be great to have your company tonight, all
the pomp and ceremony over in the UK. First state
visit by a European leader post Brexit. Emmanuel Machome is
over in London at the moment. We'll speak to Andy Brady,
who's sorry to Gavin Gray, our UK correspondent there before.
Top of the r right now though. Uber's in the

(01:22:41):
Supreme Court this week fighting a twenty twenty two ruling.
This ruling classified four drivers as employees. The company reckons
drivers have too much freedom to be treated as employees
and should not receive leave and kei we Saver contributions,
among other things. Trainee is The Herald's Wellington Business editor

(01:23:02):
and is with us tonight, Hi, Jannae evening Ryan. So
the unions presented their evidence this morning. What do they argue, Yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 27 (01:23:12):
The unions say that these drivers definitely are employees. They
say that the level of control that Uber has over
the way they go about making their income is so restrictive.
They call it sort of relentless and intensive. They say
it's so intense that there is no way that these

(01:23:33):
drivers are in fact contractors. So, you know, the lawyers
for the unions ran through a number of things they
sort of picked apart the contracts that drivers you know,
sign with Uber, saying that the drivers have basically no
power in these. So these contracts are non negotiable and

(01:23:55):
Uber can change the terms and conditions as it wishes,
and the drivers kind of have no choice but but
to agree to these.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Yeah, So they basically say they had no choice but
to accept when Uber cut their fares.

Speaker 27 (01:24:08):
That's right. So one of the examples that the lawyer
used was dating back a few years now, but he said,
you know that Uber changed the fares so that the
drivers received less income and also changed the way that
the fares were calculated, and they just had to sort
of suck it up and deal with it. So one
of the things that's been debated in court is the

(01:24:30):
level of control that Uber has. Another thing that's been
debated is just how related Uber is to the business.
So Uber makes the case it says, well, actually, we're
not that involved. We just provide the platform and the
real agreement is between the driver and the passenger. But
the union say that's not right. Uber plays a big
role because Uber sets the fair, then Uber collects the fair,

(01:24:53):
and then you know, gives the driver their cut from
there and Uber controls things like the sorts of information
it gives the drivers. It penalizes the drivers if they
don't get good ratings. The unions went so fast to
say that Uber actually, you know, penalizes the drivers if

(01:25:14):
they do something wrong when they're not even driving. So
the unions that the judges just sitting in court for
a bit of the time. The judges seem quite receptive
to the union's argument. But you know, Uber also said, well,
our drivers want this, Like they've surveyed the drivers. They
love the flexibility they can apparently apparently they love the

(01:25:34):
flexibility they can choose when they work. And you know,
Uber says they agree to this contract, no one forces
them to sign it.

Speaker 19 (01:25:40):
So it's a tough call.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Yeah, what has Uber's defense been saying.

Speaker 27 (01:25:47):
Well, basically that the flexibility is such that it's that
you can't possibly call the drivers employees. Now, Uber has
been fighting this battle all around the world, and it
says that the sort of contractor model is, I mean,
it's central to the way it operates. So the fact
it's taken it to the Supreme Court, you know, shows

(01:26:09):
how significant this is for Uber. A thing Ryan that's
happening here in the background is that the government is
actually in the process of changing the law, so it's
a bit more prescriptive on you know what exactly it
constitutes being a contractor versus an employee. So the effect
of this case could be significant for other people in

(01:26:29):
the goog economy, but perhaps the salience of it might
not be as great because the government is actually changing
the law to provide some clarity in the space.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Yeah, fascinating case. We'll keep watching that it is still going.
Is it presumably in the Supreme Court there, Jane.

Speaker 27 (01:26:46):
I think it wrapped up today. It was set down
for two days, so I guess it'll take the judges
some time to deliberate. But it'll be interesting to see
whether the outcome is announced before the law is.

Speaker 19 (01:26:58):
Changed or not.

Speaker 27 (01:27:00):
So it's quite a bit there for the lawyers to digest.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
I think absolutely, and one might sort of null and
void the other. Anyway, Jay, appreciate your time, Trainee and
the New Zealand Herald Wellington Business Editor. On the show tonight,
twenty one minutes away from seven o'clock, we'll get to
the UK next with Gavin.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Gray encroaching the numbers and getting the results it's Ryan
Bridge with the business hour and mass.

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Insurance and investments. Grew your wealth, protect your future. The
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Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
It is eight minutes away from seven o'clock now, no sorry,
eighteen minutes away from seven o'clock Ryan. Lots of Uber
drivers are also on bolt Aller and other taxi platforms.
D D I think is the new one, the Chinese
one that's coming here. They choose which platform they take
a ride from at any point in time. It just
came back from Europe exactly the same situation. They're not
sure how that works for an employee. It's a really

(01:27:50):
good point if you have multiple you know, if you're
running multiple apps on your ride share, you're not an employee.
Let's be honest. Well, well, I suppose you could be
an employee of all of them. But trying to argue
that in court, you'd have to think you'd have a
hard time. One thing I noticed when I got an
Uber last time. It gives you an alert now on

(01:28:12):
the app before you get in the car, to tell you,
well two things. One if there's a bike lane nearby
or something, in case you open your door and had
a cyclist. The other thing, it popped up and said
to me the other day is be where you're being filmed,
which if you have had a few drinks and this
actually happened to do you remember the guys? Was it

(01:28:34):
Stefanovic over in Australia. He's a actor, a TV presenter
or something. He got on the back of a taxi,
had a conversation with his brother. The taxi driver was
actually secretly recording the whole thing and then leaked it
to the press. But it just got me thinking, I mean,
if you don't snog your partner in the back of
a taxi, don't swear, don't do anything stupid, because when

(01:28:58):
you get into an uber at least this is how
I'm going to treat all ubers from henceforth. You're basically
on Candid Camera sixteen to seven. Bryan Bridge, Kevin Gray
are UK europe correspondent Devin Good morning, good evening either
right now, Emanuel Macron is in London for the first
state visit of a European state leader since Brickset.

Speaker 26 (01:29:19):
Yes, that's right, and it's the first visit state visit
of a French president here for seventeen years. The UK
government when it came in just over a year ago
promised to reset the relationship with the European Union and
that of course over the Brexit vote and this three
day visit day two today the carpet is red carpet

(01:29:41):
quite literally being rolled out for Emmanuel Macron and his wife.
They were greeted by King Charles and Queen Camilla. He
then gave a speech to Parliament talking about how both
countries have a duty to tackle illegal migration quote with humanity,
solidarity and firmness. And it's very much topic of choice
at the moment, with numbers spiking again getting across the

(01:30:04):
English Channel to the UK in small boats. But many
here in France believe that I believe rather that France
simply isn't doing enough to stop those small boats crossing
the channel, despite being given tens of millions of pounds
taxpayers money here to fight the criminal gangs operating over there. Anyway,

(01:30:24):
today the tour continues. They go through Windsor and also
visit the tomb of the late.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Queen interesting Germany accusing China's military of targeting one of
its aircraft with a laser.

Speaker 26 (01:30:37):
Yes, the Chinese ambassador has been summoned to the German
Foreign Ministry over this claims of this incident that they
say happened at the start of this month. The tensions
come as really concerns mount in the European Union about
the influence that China is having on critical technologies and
also security infrastructure in Europe. Now, according to Germany's Defense Ministry,

(01:31:01):
they say the aircraft was taking part in the European
Union ASPIDES mission, which is a response to attacks on
international shipping in the Red Sea by the Uti rebels
backed by Irana coss Now. Operation ASPDES is purely a
defensive mission to increase maritime surveillance, but it is thought

(01:31:23):
that during that point in time, maritime surveillance aircraft has
been carrying out reconnaissance work over the Red Sea, and
the Chinese warship, which had been encountered several times in
the Red Sea, targeted the aircraft with a laser for
no reason and prior communication had not been conducted during
this routine mission flight and by using the laser, the

(01:31:47):
Germans are saying the warship was put at risk both
the equipment and the personnel on board, but very few
other details at the moment. The Chinese denying any such
laser was.

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Fired now TV present so we all know him here
mastership BBC. What's happening with him?

Speaker 26 (01:32:06):
Well, so, of course he's been off our screens for
a while after allegations surfaced of inappropriate misconduct or inappropriate
sexual comments. And now we learn that, according to reports,
at least he has been sacked and removed from the
program and removed as a presenter by the production company

(01:32:27):
that makes Master Chef and other things called Banaja. Now
he has come out fighting. He's issued a statement saying
if you think I'm going to go quietly or wrong,
basically saying that a lot of these allegations are completely
false and that the BBC investigation has ultimately shown that
the most serious allegations are completely incorrect. So, for his part,

(01:32:52):
Greg Wallace said quote, I will not go quietly. I
will not be canceled for convenience. I was tried by
media and hung out to dry well before the facts
were established, and has accused the BBC of peddling baseless
and sensationalized gospel masquerading as properly corroborated stories. Meanwhile, Ryan,
it's alleged to further fifty people have come forward alleging

(01:33:15):
inappropriate conduct, including dropping his trousers allegedly when people go
into his dressing room without wearing any underwear, and inappropriate
comments as well. So I think this one is set
to wrangle on for some considerable time. But it looks
like he won't be on our TV screens for a
while yet.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
No, it sounds like rightly so if that's true. Hey,
London looked absolutely beautiful. And the images that we're seeing
coming out of London with the French President Macron and
his wife Beer and they're in the horse and carriage
with King Charles, it just looks beautiful.

Speaker 26 (01:33:51):
Yeah, it's a great time of year. A little bit
too hot for some of those dressed up in all
the finery yesterday our sense, but yeah, it was really good. Interestingly,
the state banquet that they were given yesterday was at
Windsor Castle. That's because Buckingham Palace is under such huge
renovation at the moment. Indeed, I think Donald Trump's visit
in a couple of months time we'll see a similar
tactic entertained that Windsor are not at Buckingham Palace. But yeah, truly, Yeah,

(01:34:16):
it shows off a lot of the pomp and ceremony,
but also shows off how London's looking in these lovely
summer months.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
Absolutely, Gavin, Thank you. Gevin Gray are UK Europe correspondent.
Time is a living away from seven News Talk ZIBB.

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Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
News Talk ZIBB, eight minutes away from seven. Not a
lot of love for the Uber drivers tonight on the
texts betweene Ryan. No sympathy for them, says Andrew. They
want to be their own boss, but don't want the
cost of building their own credible franchise. Now they moan
about it and go to court about it. Check out
what they do when they're not driving. Many have other
jobs as well. Yeah, I suse it's a fair point.

(01:34:59):
By the way, it's not all Uber drivers who were
taking this court action through the union is. It's a
number of Uber drivers, but by no means all of them,
I mean a lot of them are really happy with
as Jane said, with the flexibility and you can jump
on one app, jump to another, and do it in
your own time and do it on your own terms.

(01:35:19):
Right coming up to eight minutes away from seven and
it so, what are we going out to tonight?

Speaker 13 (01:35:23):
Warpegs by Black Sabbath to play us out tonight, Ryan,
We're going to rock out for the end of the show. Obviously,
Black Sabbath and Ozzy Osborne did the whole back to
the beginning sort of farewell show in Birmingham over the weekend.
They raised a lot of money for charity. One hundred
and ninety million US dollars they raised for the three
charities they were raising money for, which were Pure Parkinson's,
the Birmingham Children's Hospital and the Acorn Children's Hospice. I

(01:35:46):
just did the back of the envelope calculations. I think
it's about three hundred and sixteen million New Zealand dollars
that they raised for charity there.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
I didn't realize this.

Speaker 13 (01:35:53):
They were selling pay per views to the live stream,
so if you wanted to watch the live stream, you
had to pay, which we've seen for like boxing fights
and you have ce fights and stuff before. But clearly
they're looking at that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
I mean, really it's a lucrative model.

Speaker 13 (01:36:05):
Well that's the thing. I mean, do people want to
pay to sit and watch costs a concert at home?
Turns out.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
Yep, clearly they do.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
It's that fascinating. Probably we'll see more of that. Thanks
so much for listening everybody today and for your feedback,
all of your emails and your texts. Much appreciated, enjoyed it.
Do it again tomorrow, Have a great evening.

Speaker 29 (01:37:08):
Now in darkness, well stops turning.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Hashes.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
Whether body's burning.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
No more.

Speaker 29 (01:37:19):
War pigs of the power and of God has struck
the hour day of judgment. God is calling on the knees.
The war pig's crawling him. He's begging Mercy's father's.

Speaker 30 (01:37:45):
Satan laughing spreads his weary hans a lodger.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
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