Full Show Podcast: 09 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Dupercy Ellen, Drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show coming
out today. Auckland Councils valuations are out after honestly years
of waiting. We're going to speak to the council about it.
Nikola Willis is with us as for usual after six
and there's an alternative just cinder biography. They've kept everything
secret until now, but we'll reveal it a little bit
later on.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Heather duper Cy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Look, anyone who thinks that Mark Robinson resigning from New
Zealand Rugby today as a shock clearly doesn't follow Rugby's
dramas with their brain fully turned out turned on. This
was not a shock at all. Anyone could see this coming.
This was coming the minute that David Kirk took over
as the chair. Now I don't want to be seen
to be saying that David Kirk forced him out. It
is in fact quite possible that Mark Robinson just read

(00:58):
the room and left of his owner called first. But
it was always going to happen, wasn't it because David
Kirk is the new broom, and the new broom generally
generally gets rid of things that aren't working, and unfortunately
for Mark Robinson that wasn't working. Now. I got no
hard feelings towards the guy. He seemed like a really
easy bloke, but he has not had the most glorious
of ten years, has he When he brought in the

(01:19):
Silver Lake deal, which has yet to bear any fruit
despite all of the drama it caused, and boy did
it cause drama. He totally stuffed up the Fozzy situation
when he tried to fire Fozzy and then didn't fire Fozzy,
and then eventually did manage to get rid of Fozzy,
but by then we all felt really bad for Fozzy.
And he persisted with a super rugby competition that isn't working,

(01:39):
and all he's really managed to do with it is
tinker and it still isn't really working. The finances are terrible,
the game has maybe managed to arrest the decline, but
nothing much else, and the rugby community is bruised after
that Silver Lake altercation. If there is a lesson here,
I reckon it may be that New Zealand Rugby might
want to replace Mark Robinson with someone who isn't a
rugby man or a rugby woman, whatever, someone who isn't

(02:02):
sentimental about the game, who can look at all of
this business with fresh eyes and say, why is that
happening that shouldn't necessarily necessarily be happening, have the courage
to change it because they don't actually care about rugby
that much. Someone who can drive the change at rugby
needs because if there's one thing we all agree on,
it's that rugby needs change.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Heather do for Cela nineteen nine two is.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
The text number. Standard text fees apply. I will talk
to Piney about it in a minute. Now, should young
farmers be allowed to use their Keiwi savers to buy
the first farm, the first flock, or the first herd.
Fed Farmers has just launched a petition calling on the
government to urgently change the key we Savior rules to
help farmers get their foot on the ladder. And Richard
McIntyre is fed Farmer's Dairy chair and with us now, hey, Richard, hey,

(02:44):
it seems to be a no brainer at least to
be able to buy the first farm.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Right, oh, look at it very much? As to us,
heither you know, to us, this is very much about
fairness for farm staff and then also enabling progression and
then succession within the ACCECTA.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
What about the first heard though, Explain to me why
you'd do that. I mean, because I can understand with
the farm, you're living on the farm in the same
way that I'm living in my first house. But you're
not living in your herd, are you.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Well, Farming is very very capital intensive, and to get
your foot in the front of the door, you need
a lot of money as a deposit in order to begin,
you know, effectively moving your way up the ladder, such
as you know, leasing a farm and buying a flock
of sheep or herd owning, share milking, and so for example,
you know, for us, we ever heard of four hundred
and fifty cows. We needed over three hundred thousand dollars

(03:30):
as a deposit in order to be able to buy
that herd and progress within the sector. You know, Kiwi
farmers are really struggling to put that money aside, and
a lot of them are actually deciding not to put
money into Kiwi Saver and basically scrimp and save because
I know they need all the money that they can
get to actually get their foot in the door and
move up that ladder.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Would that not be the same as me taking out
my key we saveor to buy my first business.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Well potentially, you know, and obviously they're going to need
to be some good guidelines around that, you know. Where
we would see it, it would be the idea that
you could only use the money to invest in something
that wouldn't appreciate effectively, So you wouldn't use it for
vehicles or anything like that. You could use it for
bricks and mortar, or a herd or a flock, which

(04:14):
although they do get old and can die, and they
also reproduce themselves as well.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Okay, I mean I think probably on the herd of
the flock, you may have a bit of a there
may be a bit of an argument about whether that's smart,
but certainly the first farm seems no brainer. So why
hasn't National done it? Then?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, look, we're trying to understand it a little bit
as well. I suspect there are a few things they
need to work through in terms of how they would
potentially make this fear for everyone else, you know a
little bit like you're referred to, but to us, it
seems like an absolute no brainer. Probably the only big
point to make here is at the moment, you know,
when you if you live in an urbanent sitting, you
can easily buy your first heart, you know, put them

(04:50):
take money out of you keep we say it, to
buy your first house because you'll live in it. When
you're in a rule setting, your job typically comes with
a service centers a house that you live in on
the farm because you live remotely. And so all of
these young farm staff are actually unable to get onto
the property leader at the same time as the urban pears.
And so there's a real fairness issue here that needs
to be addressed.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, yeah, now I know that there was Remind me
who it is in the National Party who's got the
members bill.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Sue's read made the MP further get together.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Okay, so like, let's not be I don't want to
be unkind to her, but she's nobody right, She's right
back there. This is not a big person putting their
name to this. So I think this is just being parked.
The fact that they have got this, sus has put
it into the biscuits. In about three weeks ago, you
guys now launching a petition is that you being frustrated
that they're not actually getting on with this in a
significant way.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
So, first of all, we're divided with what Susan has done.
She's been awesome in this respect, but we are really
pushing the government to actually, you know, follow through on
their promise that they made pre election, which is to
allow young farmers to remove money from their QUI save
it and one off.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
What's going on though, Rochard? I mean you guys are
tapped in this Is it Act or New Zealand first?
Who is putting the kai bosh on this?

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Well, not entirely sure at this point, but intially not
progressing as fast as we think it should end. So
with this petition, which has had a huge amount of
support so far and I'm sure we'll get heaps of
support over field days, is it going to help to
add to the pressure on the government to actually get
this over with the line?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, brilliant stuff, Hey, Richard, thanks for talking us through
at Richard McIntire, Federated Farmer's Chairperson of Dairy. Yeah, not
to be disrespectful to sus but sus as their parking
order a they've parked it, They've given it to sus.
They were like, park that for us make it look
like we're doing something and we're not actually doing anything anyway.
Nichola Willis is with us, as you know, she's with
us after six on a Monday, so we have a
little chat to her and just find out what's going

(06:36):
on here. Now. Over in Australia, the project has been
axed by Network ten. Now you know the projects. The
project was on Tally year remembers on TV three, seven
o'clock on TV three until they you know what did
did they wipe this?

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Right?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
They wiped it at the end of in the can
the whole thing and then rob blah blah. Anyway, it
originated in Australia and they've done sixteen years of it.
They've done four thy five hundred episodes. But unfortunately Ozzie
TV is going through the same problem that Kiwi TV
is going through, which is audiences are dropping off. And
that's okay up to a point, but then at some
point the cost of making the show is no lot.
It just exceeds how much the show is bringing in

(07:13):
and advertising for the number of people. So the project
is a very very expensive show to make. They used
to attract about a million viewers over in Australia. It's
now down. Last week it was about a quarter or
a third of the same number of viewers, therefore unsustainable.
Fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
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Speaker 2 (07:37):
Heather, You're right, Rugby does need to change, but it
needs to change back to how it was before it
was taken over by the non Rugby minded people. Seventeen
passed for Jason Pine sports talkhosters with us A Piney, Hello, Heather.
Before we get into that, how about that Ryan Fox
so good?

Speaker 5 (07:52):
I absolutely loved that this morning. I think it's really
easy to like Ryan Fox and to want success for
him because I think we can all seeing him some
of the qualities we like to think we have in ourselves,
you know, as key We's humility, just a down to
worth nature, ability to get on with people, not take
yourself too seriously. It's clearly working because having not won
any PGA Tour titles up until a month ago, he's

(08:15):
now won two and less than a month. He's got
the US open to come in the weaker ahead, and
it's twenty years since Michael Campbell another great key. We
won that tournament. So yeah, it's all trending upwards for
Ryan Fox and you'll love to see it.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
I saw him say that one of the shots was
the best shot of his life. Which one was that?

Speaker 5 (08:32):
Yeah, that was the second shot on the fourth playoff hole.
He said it from the fairway to within about I
don't know, four or five meters of the pin. So
he's got an he's got.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
That's the one. He was using, the three woodfall.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
That's it. That's the one, and everyone's going, what are
you doing, man, Bud?

Speaker 5 (08:46):
He's you know. I loved it, and it forced Sam
Burns to have a go at his part, which was
much further away. Couldn't get it done. A couple of
parts for Ryan and he's holding the.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Truck those parts, didn't they what was going on? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (08:58):
Yeah, they could have either.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
I think one both of them could have probably won.
Before we got to the fourth offolder just started to
get a bit dark in Toronto. But yeah, no they
I guess it's pressure, right, and it just added to
the drama. I reckon. They kept on, kept on making
the same score, kept on getting in the cart. Going
back to the eighteenth tee and having another Go okay, now.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Let's talk about Mark Robinson. This was not a shock
at all, was it. I mean, this was the moment
that David Kirk came on. You knew it was going
to end like this, didn't you.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (09:25):
Yeah. And look, I've been listening to parts of the
press conference, which is I think maybe still going, certainly ongoing.
And look, he's living away from his family. That's one thing,
so that's clearly what you know, what is at the
heart of this. But it just seems as though there
has been a bit of an agitating for change. And
you know, I think any CEO in any business, you know,

(09:45):
you come in, you make your mark, whatever that is,
and then you go. You don't hang around for more
than six, seven, eight years. Normally that's the corporate rule,
isn't it Hither that you come in for sort of
that that six or seven years and then they give
somebody else a crack.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I mean,
there are so many factors Piney, I think that you'd
have to take into consideration, but surely being good at
it is one of them. And you know, as much
as I like quite enjoyed spending time with Mark Robinson.
When I did, he wasn't very good at it was.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
He well and he inherited you know, New Zealand Rugby
just before COVID. He couldn't possibly.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Not COVID to do, not make him and all fozzy
the way he did.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
No.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
That, No, that's another good point. That's a good point.
I'm just all I'm saying. I'm from a wide lens.
He did take it over in a time of trouble
and navigated it through.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
When is he done to change it?

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah, and well he's I mean, we probably don't have
enough time to go through what he has and hasn't done.
But what I will say is that the books haven't
balanced for the last three years, so that's never going
to be a good place to start. Look, I think
it's time for change. I'll be very interested to see
who comes into that role.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Somebody said to me on the text railing Castle, what
do you reckon, well.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
Very very highly experienced administrator to do well? Well, yeah,
I'm either'll be all sorts of people with their hand
up for it. Heather, it's a it's a plum, it's
the plum. Sporting role in New Zealand, so that we
any number of people getting their CV ready.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Now, Piney, actual shock is Stu Wilson dying, isn't it?
Because the guy's only seventy.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Yes, as young as in it. Seventy is young man,
and we don't know the circumstances. But what a full
life he led, wonderful all black in a time where
you know, all blacks were pretty gruff and didn't say
a lot. He was a character, you know, wonderful after
dinner speaker in the in recent times. Had the opportunity
I did a Q and A with him once, Heather.
I asked one question and he spoke for fourteen minutes

(11:40):
and didn't even answer the question. It was the easiest
MC job I ever did. It was a wonderful Yeah,
not always good A.

Speaker 6 (11:47):
He was great.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
He had he had the room in the palm of
his hand.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
He will be missed Finey, thank you as always, I
appreciate it. Jason Pine's sports talkcost He'll be back at
seven o'clock to night here on Newstigs. He'd be hither.
I agree, what's all the shock news? Grant? Yeah, it's
not always good A. We have some of these people.
Sometimes people appear on the show. Who shot Marie di Berg?
I love Marie, but Marie, you can ask her one question.

(12:13):
That's your interview done. She can talk for four minutes straight,
and that's for a three minute interview for two.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Moving the big stories of the day forward, Alwen, it's
Heather dupers On and Drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected the news talks.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
That'd be Yeah, we're a couple in our late twenties
and because I work on a dairy farm and have
accommodation provided by my job, we can't afford to buy
a house, but if we lived in town we would
be able to easily. Even though we are technically buying
a rental property, we still are legally required to pay
market rent for our accommodation that we're living out. Okay,
so the wrinkle is basically the farm guys can't buy

(12:49):
the We're buy our first homes and live in it
right with the key. We say they can't do that
because they're already working on a farm and they've already
got a home and they're living in that. So they'd
have to buy a property and then they have to
rent it out and there's the Rentkle right now full
twenty five. Did you know, by the way, did you know,
Rea Ryan Fox? This is the first time a kiwi
has won two events in a single season on the

(13:10):
PGA Tour. Last time it happened was Bob Charles Houston
Classic Open Championship nineteen sixty three. So you go, Ryan
is doing pretty well, isn't he?

Speaker 8 (13:20):
Now?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
The ratings valuations now look sorry to everybody else, but
you know how yeah, I mean, look, if there's one
thing we know about about New Zealand, it's that and
Auckland loves talking about property, loves it. Can talk for hours, hours,
just hours and hours and hours would be like Stu
Wilson ask us a question was to we go fourteen
minutes later about all the things we've done to our
property and the valuation. So it has been difficult for Auckland,

(13:43):
very very difficult. The FOMO has been real. The ratings
valuations were delayed by a year, so the last time
we got to see what our property was worth, boy,
it was a good time. This was twenty twenty one
A and remember what was happening in twenty twenty one,
right Adrian was printing money Grant was pumped money to
the economy and house prices were going gangbusters and Aucklanders

(14:04):
were living. We're having the time of our lives. We
were so rich on paper. Anyways, lots happened since then,
so obviously we haven't known the true value of our
houses or anything. We're about to find out right, And
it's a shock because the industrial valuations have gone up
five percent, the lifestyle valuations have gone up four percent,
the rural valuations have gone up four percent, the commercial

(14:25):
valuations have gone down five percent, and the residential valuations
have gone down nine percent. So if you know an Aucklander,
you may want to overnight just reach out and offer them,
you know, a shoulder to cry on, maybe a stiff
glass of whisk I don't know, but it's going to
be a difficult time in Auckland when they see what's
going on. And look, if there's one thing what I

(14:48):
would say to you, you need to say to these
Aucklander says, Look, these valuations are already out of date,
right because they were actually done May last year and
it's just taken Auckland Council this whole year to get
them out. So it's probably recovered by then. You know,
I'm just trying to help you, help in Aucklander in
your life. Anyway, I'm gonna talk to Auckland Council about
what the hell's gone wrong here. They'll be with us

(15:08):
after five o'clock. And thought some prayers to all my
fellow Walklanders, Love you a long time.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Headline's next Day, recapping the day's big news and making
tomorrow's headlines. It's hither duplessy Ellen drive with one New

(15:35):
Zealand let's get.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Connected news talk sa'd be if you're feeling down, just
make you happy.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
We're sound all right. Sammy Emrie is standing by out
of Australia for us, and obviously we're gonna go to
politics very shortly. Just Cinda, don't don't react. I'm not
going to talk about just Cinda. I'm talking about something,
just something, just adjacent. So do you remember I don't
know if you noticed this, but on the day Thatinda
that Disinder's book came out. Sounds like an age ago already,

(16:09):
but may have only been last week. I don't really know. Anyway,
On that day adverts started rolling for an unauthorized biography
of Jasinda, and we looked at it, we were like,
who is what's going on here? What is this? And
there was no information to be found. We have been
contacted by the people who represent the author of this book,

(16:30):
and I can tell you this book is a lot
more legit than its sounding. At the moment. There are
at least one Cabinet minister appears to have spoken to
this author. Incidentally, I was interviewed by this author. This
author has a decent track record writing books. It's not
somebody crazy out there anyway. The whole thing's been kept

(16:51):
a complete secret until now, but I'm going to be
able to tell you about it later on. I'm not
entirely sure when we're allowed to say his name for
the first time, not that it's going to mean anything
to you, unless you're like a crazy rea or of literature.
But anyway, I'll give you those details and we're going
to speak to him in an hour's time. Right now,
it's twenty three away from five.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
It's the world wires on news talks.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
They'd be drive California and Governor Gavin Newsom has demanded
that Trump withdraws the National Guard from la The troops
have been deployed to disperse protests that erupted after immigration rates.
The National Day Laborer Organization Network says that the response
to the protests has been disproportionate.

Speaker 8 (17:25):
I do not believe that this is chaos where there's
any I think it.

Speaker 7 (17:30):
Is peaceful protests that are happening.

Speaker 9 (17:34):
It is chaotic, but what's really happening as the community
going out is protecting each other.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
The Israeli military has intercepted that ship carrying Greta Tunberg
and other activists in the Eastern Mediterranean. The ship was
trying to get aid through Israel's blockade and everyone on
board has been detained. Now now video has been posted
to Greta Turnboog's instagram. It appears to have been recorded
before the ship was stopped.

Speaker 10 (17:55):
If you see this video, we have been intercepted and
kidnapped in international waters by the Israeli occupational forces. I
urge all my friends, family and comrades to put pressure
on the Swedish government to release me and the others
as soon as possible.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
And finally, oh, you've got to drop that right down,
drop it right down, right down, right down. A team
of British physicists has created the world's smallest violin. That's
why you've got to drop it down, because you can't
even hear it. They've used nanotechnology to create a platinum
violin that's thirty five microns long, smaller than the diameter
of a human hair. Unfortunately, even if we could find

(18:35):
a violinist small enough, the violin isn't actually playable.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
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Speaker 2 (18:44):
Sam Emriosi correspondents with US Now Sam, Hello Sam, where
are we at with this major rescue operation?

Speaker 11 (18:52):
Well, there's certainly plenty of cars still stuck there, but
it's actually moved into a rescue operation to try and
find two hikers that are stuck in freezing conditions in
Victoria's Outline region. The two hikers are apparently on a
walking track southwest of Mount Hotham. That's where the emergency
services are responding after fifty centimeters dump of snow, which

(19:15):
is something that we're certainly not used to here in
Australia over a long weekend, and the condition of the
missing pair on the walking track is unknown at this stage,
but we know that emergency services are also using specialized
vehicles to try and continue rescuing people who are trapped
in their cars on the remote snow laden roads at

(19:35):
Mount Hotham Heather. Thirteen were rescued over the weekend on
the first day. Six have now spent two nights in
What they're saying is about minus four degrees and police
are obviously urging them to people to sort of pay
close attention to the weather warnings and monitor the conditions.

(19:56):
I think Ozzie's Heather are just a bit used to
sort of jump in the car going wherever they like.
But these days, with the floods and all these sorts
of things happening, we probably need to get a bit
better at preparing before we just jump in and head
off on these big trips.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. Listen, what's going to happen
to your super.

Speaker 11 (20:14):
Yeah, this is Labour's plan to try and double it,
double the levee to thirty percent, but it's on people
with three million dollars or more in their superinnuation and
they're saying it's only going to affect about eighty thousand Australians.
The Greens are calling to lower the threshold to two million,
but with indexation. Don't ask me too much. On the economics, Heether,
I won't be able to tell you the final detail

(20:36):
of it all, but there's obviously plenty of loud opposition.
But you know, this is people who have two or
three million. To give you a bit of an idea,
they're saying something. Tanks are saying that people who leave
school this year will probably never have three million dollars
in their accounts. So it's rather depressing fact, but it's
also you know, what labor is trying to do obviously

(20:57):
is get a little bit more cream off the top
and we'll see if they can actually get it through.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Hey, were you a project viewer?

Speaker 11 (21:07):
I definitely was when it was the seven PM Project.
I remember everyone sort of wondering what kind of show
this was going to be like and how could they possibly,
you know, fit a full current affairs program in half
an hour? And what was this program that was news?
But it was funny?

Speaker 7 (21:23):
Was it comedy?

Speaker 11 (21:25):
But Heather, as you might have heard, it's sort of
been in weeks of speculation, really, but Channel ten finally
confirming that the long running Current Affairs show has been asked.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
What do you think why is it that you stopped watching?

Speaker 7 (21:40):
Like?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Why is it that people used to watch it and
don't watch it anymore.

Speaker 11 (21:45):
I think for me probably it was definitely aimed at
trying to get a younger generation into the news and
talking about the news, and it was shorter, sharper and
obviously bringing the comedy, and I think I sort of
grew out of it, you know, being over forty now.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
And did it get it plate?

Speaker 11 (22:03):
So yeah, I think you just sort of, yeah, you
want a bit more in depth inside and interestingly, you
know that's what they're going to replace it with. Heather.
They've apparently been secretly working on this new in house
investigative program that they're calling. The working title The Australian
says is Behind the Lines. And you might know Danim Hitchcock.

(22:26):
He's a reporter over here. He's been on seventh Spotlight program.
Apparently he's been drafted.

Speaker 7 (22:31):
In to host that.

Speaker 11 (22:31):
So to me, it kind of makes sense that you
know that they would go into something like this. I
think people are craving better investigative news. But interestingly, I
guess that means that they're thinking their audience has moved
into the older side of things rather than trying to
get the younger ones in.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, it's a fair point. Actually a very interesting Sam.
I appreciate it. Thanks so much, mate, Sam Emory, Australia Corresponder.
The reason I was asking Sam that is because I'm
kind of fascinated by what it is that causes you
to eventually drop off shows off your schedule, and I
think ultimately it comes down to time, doesn't it. That's
that's because it seems to me time is the thing
that we are all poor of. Some of us are

(23:10):
poor when it comes to money, but all of us
are poor when it comes to time. You just don't
have time to sit down and watch. This kind of
stuff always surprises me in my because in the industry
that I work, and obviously out what do we what
do we deal with? We deal with news? Hands up?
People out there? There's four people in that room who
watches the evening news? Still the kid? Are you a

(23:30):
broadcasting school student? No, you're not even in turn. No,
we don't even know who he is. There's some random
kid out there. The boss, Ah, the New Wellington reporter
are congratulations? Well you good, good that you used to
watch the news.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
Marks Sansbury has his hand down as well.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
You see Mark, there's five people out there Mark Sainsbury
doesn't watch the evening news. He basically was the evening news,
wasn't he for a really long time?

Speaker 6 (23:52):
Well every night. Sorry, he's just corrected that.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Oh you're well, he's lying now and I was trying
to make himself look good. Will the guy who's the
new boss get out well the go then he's quite
a lot of rude signals that Mark Sainsbury for somebody
you think is a very nice, trusting man. Mark Will
the new boss, he didn't watch the evening news. Laura
the German, diligent and super intelligent doesn't watch even news
and ants who's a genius? He doesn't. And we're all

(24:15):
working in news. I'm literally me and the new Wellington
boy are literally the only people who watched the evening
news now and that what is that Telly about Tally?
It's stuff, isn't it?

Speaker 8 (24:23):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Listen? Israel's Foreign Ministry is calling Greta's boat the selfie
yacht of the celebrities, because it's got Greha on, it
has got Liam Cunningham of Game of Thrones, it's got
Rima Hassan, who's a French member of the europe European Parliament,
and blah blah blah. Anyway, they've got them, the rounded
them up, they're taking them back to Israel. They're going
to sort them Madamer Davidson is going to be on

(24:44):
the show in half an hour of the Greens. Obviously
she wants Israel to release Greta forthwith Greta's lucky that
Israel got there before Hermas did, because let's be honest
about it, if you're going to be taken hostage by
either of those sides, you'd rather it be Israel, wouldn't you. Anyway,
Politics next, Politics with centrics, Credit, check your customers and
get payments certainty. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us, Hey.

Speaker 12 (25:06):
Thomas, good afternoon, Thomas.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Is not actual war going on here between Labor and
the Marty Party, is there.

Speaker 12 (25:12):
I wouldn't describe it as an actual war. I mean
the Willie Jackson is using that war like language. He
was referred to it in similar terms on Q and
A over the weekend. But I mean, I suppose maybe
it's a cold war, you might say. Certainly, over the
last six months, I think Labour's become a bit exasperated
with some of the antics from to Party Marty. Obviously

(25:34):
there are kindred spirits. They believe in the same kind
of political you know, direction of travel. But you can
see it in the house to see a feust of
labor MPs looking a wee bit you know, unimpressed when
to Party Mardi gets a wee bit theatrical. You can
watch it even on the Herald. Now, last week we
had a panel with with Debor Russell, obviously Labour's revenue spokesperson.

(25:55):
She didn't look that impressed. She wasn't she wasn't like
rushing to defend some the theatrics of Party Marty in
that interview. So yeah, I think, I think, I think
you wouldn't describe it. I wouldn't describe it as war.
But but certainly things are read a low eve.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
But I reckon, why why do you say that? Because
I'd love it to be. I mean, you know, I
love excitement and politics. I just can't see it. I can't.
This all just feels like Willie Jackson's exaggerations.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Isn't it the war?

Speaker 12 (26:24):
Well so so the language, the wording that he used
was I don't want to war. I don't want to
war with Party Mardi and I don't think we should
be fighting or warring. The main problem here is the
government and any government. But but you know there is
there is that tension, I guess, and you are seeing
it now like Killy Tamahiri's video over the weekend having

(26:45):
a go at Willie Jackson and Adrian Rafe for their
speeches in the House.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
And okay, so Thomas, I'll give you an alternative theory. Right,
They're just playing to their bases. Labor is just publicly
telling the Maori Party off because it knows that's what
voter its voters want to hear, and the party is
just telling them off for being too I don't know.
I suppose calm and playing by the rules because they
know that's what their voters want to hear. I don't
know that there's any indication that there's actually a war

(27:10):
going on. No affirmative.

Speaker 12 (27:14):
Yes, I think parts of it are performative. I do think,
I do think for both sides as the you know,
Chrisippicins has said as the election gets closer, he has
promised to lay out how he's going to work with
the various potential coalition partners. Now, obviously, Winston Peters's ruled
Prissipicins out so so so the next government, if it's
a left wing government, will need to be some form

(27:34):
of Labor to party Marray and the Krins. And the
big question for Hipkins then is, well, you know, do
do you allow to party Mardi MP's into cabinet. You
know that that disciplin well, the discipline that I'm shown
is probably not cabinet materials.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Didn't I read in one of your columns that John
Tamerheady was in the Labor Party caucus room on the
night of the budget.

Speaker 12 (27:55):
Yes, yes, hardly a war well, and I think I
think that is that is part of if there is
a war, and if there is a war, as to
say it's a cold war, I think that's part of it.
I think he came into that Corcus room and said, like, look,
I recognize that things are at a low ebb, but
we need to do what we do and you need
to do what you do. Which is the point I

(28:16):
guess that you're making, which is that they both are
doing their own thing and hoping it comes together around
election time, but they're there are some unresolved tensions there
between those two parties, and you're looking from the outside.
Now you'd have to say there's a decent chance those
two parties are not going to get the attentions resolved
by the time the campaign rolls around, because you can
beat you bottom dollar that the ex Party research unit

(28:37):
is making a good note of all of these videos
that people like Kiddy Tummy Herey are putting out on
social media and it's going to make a big song
and dance about them on the election campaign and Labors
is going to need to have to say something, you know,
Labor's going to need to have a position on them absolutely.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Now, what's the problem that the Greens have with the
NBR rich List.

Speaker 12 (28:52):
Well, it's the problem with the problem that Greens have
with the NBA rich list is that they are too rich.
So the Greens, which it does, rather go with the
territory for both the richlest and the Greens. So the
Green Party put out a statement today the rich list
has topped on one hundred billion dollars for the first time,
so that is I think it's one hundred and nineteen

(29:13):
individuals worth one hundred and two billion dollars this year.
So the Greens are saying that the richless is now
worth more than one hundred billion dollars and contrasting at
against some of the welfare cuts that the government has done.
And the Greens then say it's times to tax wealth
and build a country where all of us can thrive.
So I think both both the richleest and the Greens
playing to type out the lord.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Honestly, Thomas, thanks very much, appreciate it as always, mate,
We'll talk to you tomorrow. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor,
eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Putting the tough questions to the newspakers, some might asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (29:44):
Time Minister joins us last week's announcement on the lack
of guess how alarmed do you become?

Speaker 7 (29:48):
Ehag time they say this.

Speaker 14 (29:49):
I think this is one of the great tragedies of
New Zealand. We honestly have abundant natural resources and we
should not have an energy problem. The reality is this,
at eighty seven percent, we're a top ten country on
renewer books. We want to double that because we're going
to need it with data centers and other things.

Speaker 13 (30:02):
Do you honestly believe, heart of hearts that we will
get to a renewable story in some way, shape or form.
I just don't increasingly don't see you. Well, we've got
to be so renewable and it's so unreliable.

Speaker 14 (30:13):
That's the point I'm trying to make is that we
are going to need guests for several decades.

Speaker 13 (30:17):
To go back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking
Breakfast with Alvida News Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Hither I'm married and I'm basically not allowed to relax.
That's one mass is not allowed at I can't watch
the news. I mean that is true, though, isn't it
like there's a certain stage of your married life when
you have small children where you have like no time
to yourself. At the minute that you see someone in
the house, minute you see your husband's sort of going
to sit down with his phone, You're like, get up,
do the dishes. No, you know, no, you don't have to.

(30:48):
And then at about half past eight, you just fall
on the couch, don't you, sort of exhausted for thirty minutes,
just sit there sort of recovering. That's the state that
Mars is obviously, and it ain't no time for any news.
And that, by the way, I don't know if you
caught TV news, you see that that see the lead
story on TVNZ news last night about the missing nurse.
I'm gonna have to talk about that because I don't

(31:09):
have time right now to talk about that, but we
will be talking about that. That was bloody weird, wasn't it.
Now I'm happy to say Adrian All is still alive.
We've heard not not seeing him, not heard from him,
had no kind of proof of life, do you know
what I mean? We were like, does he still exist
or was he a figment of our imagination? No, Adrian
All has been spotted and he's alive. He was in

(31:31):
roade Vegas for the weekend with some people with a
lot of money, so that would upset the Greens, Wayne
Mulligan and Paul Morgan, who are pro forestry entrepreneurs. They
were at Pukihina Beach and they went to the Good
George Brewing and they had a beer and Adrian does
not wear a suit anymore because he doesn't have a
day job. So he is standing outside the pub with

(31:52):
his mate and he's got on a pair of what
looked like you remember when Converse Chuck Taylor's did the
like black leather version. You know, it was really cool
for a while there he's got them on. Not not
good for his feet. I would say he's going to
have to rethink that. At his age, you need a
little bit more support, but more cushioning, you know. But anyways,
got the mine he's got on a pair of skinny blacks.
Is definitely going for the grungey look like if he

(32:13):
started if he jumped into his sort of you know,
w RX and started blasting some she had, that would
not be that would not be out of out of
keeping with what he's wears. Got his Lumberjack jet tet
flannel shirt on, got a little kh ky under with
a little V neck on. Yeah, it's weird because it's
a little bit like when you remember when you're at
school and you see your teachers out in the town

(32:33):
and you're like, oh you you don't wear a suit
all the time. It's a little bit like that. But anyway,
I'm very happy to say Adrian is alive and maybe
one day we'll find out what happened Elliot Smith or
Mark Robinson next, who also probably will stop wearing a
suit in a minute.

Speaker 15 (32:47):
News storgs beef.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Brother digging through the Smith spens to find the real
story story. It's hither dup the drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected News Talks.

Speaker 15 (33:21):
That'd be afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Mark Robinson has quit us the boss of New Zealand Rugby.
He's done five years in the job. He will depart
at the end of this year. News Talk zb's Elliot
Smith was at his press conference and is with us now, Hey, Elliott, Hello.
It was always going to end this way, wasn't it.

Speaker 16 (33:36):
I think so yeah. Look, if you've got a new
board in charge, there's clearly a movement for change in
New Zealand rugby. Mike Robinson's got some family in Australia,
so I think ultimately it's probably a good time for
everyone to clear the dicks and you know, get onto
the next five to ten year cycle that New Zealand
Rugby can now plot out, which sees a lot of
change in the international game.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Especially. Do you think he will leave a mixed legacy
or just a poor legacy.

Speaker 16 (34:00):
I think mixed, and I think the jury's out on
the Silver Lake investment and whether it's been used in
the right way, whether it was the right decision in
the first place. You know a lot of people around
the Super Rugby changes as well that came about as
a result of COVID also not a fan of those changes.
I think ultimately this year we've probably seen a better
competition than what we've had. There have been a number

(34:21):
of other challenges for the game as well. But on
the flip side, he's been at the forefront of getting
some of the key rules changed in rugby, some touring concepts,
you know, the New Zealand so Africa tours that are
going to be reintroduced from next year, the Global Nations
Cup which he's been quite hot on for his tenure
as well. So I think relatively mixed, but we probably

(34:41):
won't know the silver Lake sort of legacy for another
five or so years.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
He has done things that perhaps now we are not
regarding as particularly wonderful, but it may be for.

Speaker 16 (34:50):
Maybe in time. And look, if you know that New
Zealand so Africa series next year, which is going to
be a great tour, that's a lot of his work
that is going to be you know, part of that,
and the Nation's Cup is another one. So they have
been obviously marked and his tenure that the handling of
the Ian Foster saga in twenty twenty two when they
reappointed Ian Foster or kept them on through to the

(35:11):
World Cup. Wasn't handled particularly well, so I'll be fairly
comfortable saying a mix legacy at this point.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Okay, who would likely replace him? Who are they looking for?

Speaker 16 (35:19):
Well, that's the question. I think they need someone. You know,
silver Lake supposedly was going to open up all these
doors to all these brains and concepts around the global
Who's around the silver Lake table, who's been in organizations
that have had silver Lap money? Maybe someone from that
comes on board. Does it have to be a New Zealander?
I don't know that it necessarily does. Does it have
to be a ruggy person, I don't know that it
necessarily does. It needs to be someone that understanding of

(35:40):
how high performance systems work but also how they filter
down to the grassroots, and the grassroots have been crying
out for more investment and obviously being the heartland of
the game for it for a number of years, they've
felt at times ignored. So it's going to be if
this some one with a whole whole of game concept,
I suppose that they're going to have to try and

(36:00):
find and it's very, very difficult to say. Running a
professional sports club elsewhere. It's a real nisty, gritty sort
of approach that you're going to have to find. And
they don't scream out to you across the table here
in New.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Right, Elliott, thank you so much. Always always enjoy having
a chat to you. That's Elliot Smith, Newstalks, AB's rugby
at It's now Mark Robinson Actually how the press conference
not long ago. He says that he's leaving ends at
AAR in a strong position.

Speaker 17 (36:22):
Our teams, our athletes, our brands are far more recognizable
all around the world. We now invest, you know, close
to forty million dollars a year into the community game,
which is significantly above you know where it was previously.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Heather Duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Big day tomorrow if you're an Auckland rate payer. That's
when the new property rating valuations will be released. Now.
On average, residential property values have fallen in nine percent
since the last valuation in twenty twenty one. Ross Tucker
is Auckland Council Group CFO. Hey, Ross, Hello, She's nine
percent is a bit big. What happened.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
So that's that is the movement that we've seen over
that period.

Speaker 18 (36:59):
So these are the valuations as it May last year,
it's and the nine percent is the movement from twenty
twenty one to twenty twenty four.

Speaker 7 (37:07):
This reflects what we've seen in the market.

Speaker 18 (37:09):
Anyone that's been following the property market will know things
have come off over that period largely due to rising
higher interest rates. And this is the results that we've seen.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
Okay, do want it ret rate?

Speaker 18 (37:21):
These are rating valuations than that as of May last year.
They're not in indication what things would sell for today.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yes, and why has it fallen so much more in
the city center.

Speaker 18 (37:32):
So that that is that's the result of supply and demand.
What we've seen. One of the reasons might be that
there is is because of the apartments in converted flats.
We've seen apartments for twelve percent, converted flats for twelve
percent as well. Also, we've seen some of the areas
where there's a lot of development potential have have bigger
than average falls as well.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Now, residential has gone down, industrial has gone up. Right,
Does that mean that residential pays less in rates than
industrial or are they each individually ring fenced and has
no bearing on the other.

Speaker 18 (38:05):
They are individually ring fence businesses do pay higher rates
and that that is that's unchanged by these valuations.

Speaker 7 (38:13):
So the rates increase is set by a budget.

Speaker 18 (38:15):
It's not determined by the evaluations. The average is set
by how much money the council needs. Where the valuations
come in is who pays more than the average?

Speaker 7 (38:27):
It pays what's one's rates increases above or below the average?

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Hey, what's going on in Great Barrier? Did that just
go up thirty eight percent?

Speaker 18 (38:34):
It's gone up thirty eight percent and the previous evaluations
that went up fifty nine percent. So what we've seen
there is it's moved up from a very low base.
It's that they still have the lowest capital value in
any part of Auckland, so it's about seven hundred and
forty thousand, and they also have the lowest rates.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Ross.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Thanks for talking, ust I to appreciate it, Ross Tucker,
Auckland Council Group CFO together do for clen Our government's
announced today it's popping more money into tourism New Zealand
now another thirteen point five million. I say another thirteen
point five million, because a couple of months ago they
put the first thirteen point five million boost in and
they wanted to get twenty three thousand international visitors. Now

(39:12):
this thirteen point five million, they reckon, we'll attract seventy
two thousand more international visitors. Markets they're heating are Australia,
the United States and China. I don't know. I mean,
we'll see, right, I don't know. The thing is, I
just don't know how you get those numbers. How do
you say I'm gonna put this much money in and
this is how many people we're gonna get. It just

(39:33):
feels like it feels like you're just plucking numbers out
of it. But you know, like worth ago, why not.
You know, if it's gonna surely it's gonna bring somebody.
But incidentally, speaking of this, there was an article of
the Telegraph this morning about a couple who've moved from
I think it is Cheltenham to Funga Parowa in Auckland
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Speaker 3 (41:03):
Two together dupers Ellen Heather.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
The RV for my house in Wellington went down by
twenty five percent of the same period. Boohoo, Auckland, you
only went down nine percent. How will you survive? Look,
it's very different for Auckland, though, isn't it. You know
that nine percent for Auckland is like nine hundred percent
for everybody else. Eighteen past five now Greta Tunberg's ship
has been seized by the Israeli military. Greta claims she's

(41:26):
been kidnapped. Israel says the activists on board the ship
will be returned to their home countries. In the aid
on the ship will be transported to Gaza. Green's co leader,
Madima Davidson is with me, high Madama Kilda Heather, are
you calling on Israel to release her?

Speaker 19 (41:41):
We want to see fact passage of all of the
civilians on board the boat to Medlinge, Heather. We also
want to see Israel stop shooting at innocent people lining
up for a kai and we're calling on the government
to sanction Israel for its violent occupation of Palestine.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Do you think it is actually helpful for the likes
of Greta Tunberg to turn up there, because I mean,
I would say everybody has got their hands full trying
to deal with a pretty awful situation. Surely she's just
going to make matters worse.

Speaker 19 (42:11):
What could make matters worse? When Israel themselves have been
deciding to continue the violence, the horror, the bombardment, the
shooting people lining up for a coy. Greta didn't cause that,
No other civilian has caused that. It's we need to
do everything we can here to bring attention and horror

(42:33):
to what is happening, and people are looking for anything
to do. Similarly, we need to call out all governments
to step up and do everything they possibly can to
call this out.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Hey, what's the problem with the NBR rich list?

Speaker 19 (42:48):
Ah, Like, it's just another example and some evidence of
you know, how flawed our tax system is. When we've
got that rich list while we've got children still living
in poverty. Those political decisions and the government could actually
end poverty and redistribute wells better. But you know, I'm
really keen to keep talking about what has happened and

(43:10):
what is happening to the people in Gaza as well.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Okay, Madama, thank you. I appreciate it. Madima Davidson, co
leader of the Green Party. Now you know how I
feel about the AI I have. I'm late to the party,
but I am now enthusiastic about it. And so what
I'm going to be watching tomorrow is what Apple is
up to. Tomorrow at five Apple's got its annual Worldwide

(43:33):
Developers Conference. Now, this is the thing where they often
will unveil like a you know, a new iPhone or
an upgraded smart watch or whatever, you know, the latest
like well you AirPods that can listen on conversations, that
kind of thing. All the new gadgetry they reveal, but
that apparently not expected to do that tomorrow, No gadgetary.
What they're expected to announce is what their gadgets can

(43:55):
do with AI. So how they going because they are
very late to the AI party. If you see think
about it, well, what's what's Apple doing? AI wise? You
can talk about what Microsoft is doing and that's pretty
cool stuff. Apple's not really doing all that much anyway,
so they are expected to announce that, and there'll be
a lot of pressure on them because last year they
announced that they would be doing something at the event,
but then there have been delays and what they've produced

(44:16):
has been underwhelming. So tomorrow's our opportunity five in the
morning to see if they've made any headway. Tune in
for that five to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Informed insight into today's issues. It's hither duplicy elan drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
That'd be Hi Heather.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
As much as I don't like the Greens, I like
did children less Madama. Davidson has spot on sanctions now, Nick, Nick,
I think I would agree with you on that one.
That and a little bit of action from our government
on that front quite what they need to do. I
don't know. I'm happy I'm not the Foreign Minister at
the moment, but yeah, I'd like to see some action there.
I think we all would. Five twenty four. Now, speaking
of action, have you seen what schools have been spending

(44:54):
their money on? I don't You're not going to love
this because I didn't love this when I read about
it in the papers yesterday. Let's start with jackets. Bream
Bay College in Northland. Now Northland is not known as
an area that's particularly wealthy in this country. Bream Bay
College in Northland spent five six hundred dollars on jackets
for the staff for the school photos. Not for going

(45:17):
out in the rain when they're coaching the football after
school or doing the pedestrian crossing, nothing like that. It's
for the school photos. Now, that's one expensive photo if
you ask me. The same school also spent twenty four
thousand dollars on gifts and parties in twenty twenty three
because of Manarchi tongue. Meanwhile, kids in Northland sometimes don't
have shoes, but the teachers have jackets, so that's nice.

(45:40):
One school approved twenty thousand dollars for the principal to
go to Europe to go and find some international students.
Principle went away with twenty thousand dollars approved, spent forty
thousand dollars. Now, I think you will find that most
people cannot afford a forty thousand dollars trip for a
whole family, let alone a principle. Clinton Park School, Adescile
one school, which, by the way, if you don't remember,

(46:01):
the DECYLE rating is the poorest decyle you can get. Decyle.
One school paid for seven staff to go to Hawaii
as part of its urban Hapoo initiative. Three kids went
on that trip who didn't even attend the school. Not appropriate.
The board of Tamiki School in Canterbury paid six thousand
dollars directly to the principle to be spent on professional

(46:22):
coaching and well being support, hoping that the principal would
spend it on professional coaching and wellbeing support. Bit of
a high trust a trust model there, a little bit
of an honesty box system. Fifty four schools in total
spent money on weird things like gym memberships, pilates, classes,
sports events, nutritional consultations, adventure tourism, guided walks and overseas

(46:43):
family travel. And when the union found out about it,
they said, oh, look, it's very stressful being a principal.
They need to spend money on this kind of thing.
Now all of this has come to light because the
Auditor General has finally gone through the books of some
of these schools. Sometimes these schools have not been audited
in something like nine years The problem, of course, is
that when we see stuff like this, we lose faith

(47:03):
in our educators, kind of in the same way that
when we see charities wasting money, we lose faith in
charities and don't want to give them any more money. Now,
I don't know about you, but I already have a
pretty high degree of suspicion when I hear educators complaining
about what's going on. Oh, they don't have enough money
for the maldi classrooms, or they don't have enough money
to feed the kids, or they don't have enough money
to buy devices for pupils. I already suspect that they're

(47:25):
prone to exaggeration, But now I will be even more
sure that they're prone to exaggeration. Because I don't know
about you, but I bring my own jacket to work.
Don't you ever do? For see Ellen, can you believe this?
If I tell you this? Laura the producer had not
eaten How old are you, Laura?

Speaker 20 (47:46):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (47:47):
State secret? I would say, I'd say sort of, would
I say, early to mid thirties, early to mid thirties,
had never eaten a single piece of KFC in her
whole life until now. I brought KFC in because because
I decided because I know ants, and Ants loves a
feed and answers the reason that we got the Radio

(48:09):
Award last week because Ants is the one who puts
all the hard work into making this package come together.
And nobody ever says thank you to Ants. They just
assume their ants will do the job right. So I thought,
I'm gonna I'm gonna do what Ants loves. I'm gonna
feed them. So I brought him some KFC in and
I said to Laura, do you want to have some KFC?
It's out there? And she said, well, I've never had any.
She quite enjoyed it, and she's a bit of a cook.
She knows how to do her business anyway. So we

(48:29):
were talking about how mental that is. When Carrie would
have walked past, she hadn't eaten. Kerrie would be mid
to late thirties. Do you think she hadn't had KFC
in her whole life until two weeks ago and hated it.
Now this blows my mind because I don't know about you,
but I mean, I think you can live without McDonald's,

(48:50):
you can live without Wendy's, you can live without all
that burger king and that kind of crap. But surely
if you're gonna have a take like if you're gonna
have exposed yourself to take away KFC because it's the
good stuff, isn't it crazy? Eight headline's next.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
On the iHeart app, and in your car on your
drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talk sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
It said, Hi, nice to meet you too. By maybe you.

Speaker 7 (49:22):
Eat you gole yes, get up that fee.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
She's it live forever how I was standing by. I'm
somewhat surprised by the number of people who've gone through
this far through life without experiencing things. Hither. I haven't
eaten CAFC. I'm sixty three years old, Carolyn, go and
get it. You haven't lived Hither. I'm sixty one. I
just tried my first feed Joer. Okay, unless you're a migrant,

(49:49):
you ain't got any excuses. Colin, Hither, I'm sixty soon.
I've never eaten McDonald's. I haven't eaten caves since I
was a can and they opened up on the pan
meal basin and thank you very much. Either listen, either
what it is is that you're not living or you
have amazing self control, and one of them is excellent
and the other one is obviously not. Nichola Willis is
going to be us after six And what I said

(50:10):
on Friday, I still believe this. Having read all the
stuff over the weekend, it seems to me the Michael
Forbes thing, The biggest thing here is that the cops
have stuff this up massively. So we're going to talk
to you know, who is the creeper used to work
for the Prime minister. Have a chat to Nikola about
that after six. Right now, it's twenty three away from six.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Now forgather do for see Allen.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
There's been a lot of talk about Jasinda Arderne's new biography,
of course, but in the midst of it all you
may have noticed some ads for another Justinda book. We
can reveal tonight that the mystery unauthorized Justinda biography is
being written by journalist David Cohen, and David's with me.

Speaker 15 (50:40):
Now, Hey, David, top of.

Speaker 8 (50:43):
The morning to you, Heather. I'm in rural Ireland. Can
you believe so? I think this is the first time
in my life I've done such an interview sort of
in spirit.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Have you gone to Ireland? Have you gone to Ireland
to go interview Trevor Mallard for the book?

Speaker 8 (51:02):
Is he still here now? I'm actually doing an assignment
for the Listener over here, but I've been in Britain
doing the final interviews for my Just Cinder our Duran work.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Now, David, did you time the ads? Am I right
in thinking you time the ads for your book for
the same day that she released her book?

Speaker 8 (51:22):
Correct? Or, more specifically, because I've been in the British
isles the Centrist, with whom I relatively recently made a
commercial arrangement with, we're behind the billboards and also the

(51:45):
website just senderbook dot com.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Right, So does this mean that you're being financially backed
by Jim Grennan by the Centrist, which is financially backed
by Jim.

Speaker 8 (51:57):
I don't know what their arrangement is that you should
ask then.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Okay, be said carefully, David, is this legit? Have you
got yourself a publisher?

Speaker 8 (52:11):
The short answer is yes, but it's also been negotiated
at the moment, which is there is one international publisher
that is extremely keen on the project. So I'll know
within within within the coming weeks where that one's going

(52:33):
fairly confident. I am absolutely confident that this will be
out this year later this year, that I've got no doubt.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I've had a look at your website and it seems
to me, based on the comments that you've got on there,
that you have spoken to at least one cabinet minister,
Is that right, former cabinet minister?

Speaker 8 (52:54):
Oh, more than one, more than one. One of the
reasons as a journalist that I'm that I'm really proud
of this work is because it does what every other
work on just Cindra Adan has not done pulpably, which
is to bring in a multitude of voices from the left,

(53:15):
from the right, from the center, and from everywhere else.
And as an example of that politically every party, virtually
every party is well represented among the voices, among the interviewees,
among the one hundred or so folk including you, that

(53:41):
that that generously gave their time and their comments and
perspectives on the former pristment.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Listening to Hoskin talking a few weeks ago and he
said he'd spoken to somebody about a book. Was that
you yes, okay, so you've got.

Speaker 8 (53:56):
He So, just to clarify, Mike is most certainly in
the book will be he spoke with my offside, if
I can put that without its sounding patronizing. Rebecca Keeler,
I've been working on working with She's a co author

(54:19):
and has done a substantial number of the interviews.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Now now, David, I mean you've obviously had access to
a reasonable number of people who I think we would
all regard as being quite well informed in the very
center of it. The only trouble that you seem to
have is that an association with a Centrist would possibly
lend your book to kind of becoming a bit fringe.
Are you worried about that?

Speaker 8 (54:42):
If I had a Creative New Zealand funding, I would
be concerned about it being fringe, because that seems to
be the account for a lot of that agency's sponsorship
at the moment. No, there's no editorial intercession. I've done
nine books. My hands are clean journalistically and they're certainly

(55:07):
going to remain so. If somebody were to say, from
Centrist or from anywhere, you must do this or that,
then I would be out brilliant.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
David, listen, look after yourself and enjoy Ireland, and I
certainly will be reading the book when it comes out.
That's David Cohen, author of the Justinder book The.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
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of the.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Kind which ps I don't know if you gathered just
from you know, broadly, it's not going to be a
hagiography of Justina, is it. It's going to be a
little bit more critical, isn't it. Trus Sherson, Mark Sainsbury.
I huddle this evening. Hell are you too? Hello?

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Hello?

Speaker 21 (55:44):
And I wonder if that book we'll ask the one
question that none of the global interviewers did in that
water wall come Justinda's book last year, which is what
result did your empathy and kindness deliver for the people
of New Zealand?

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Can you answer that question?

Speaker 7 (56:00):
True?

Speaker 21 (56:01):
Well I can, and in fact a lot of ballooning debt,
but well, ballooning ballooning debt, but also a lot of
people were talking last week about the lack of empathy
with some of the decisions and all of the you know,
all of the businesses that went to.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yep, balloon regrustrations, social division. I don't I think if
that's what empathy looks like, I'll just go empathy free
for the rest of my life.

Speaker 21 (56:25):
I find if it was empathy with a side of results.
But unlike k see, you didn't get it. Didn't get
a good salty side, did you.

Speaker 15 (56:33):
But you've been interviewed for the book header. Yes, oh,
so there will be an empathetic.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I'll be the lone voice who says Jack Thunder was great.
I loved her. Hey does this surprise you at all?
Saying so to see Mark Robinson quit this early into
David Kirks ten.

Speaker 15 (56:47):
Yeah, look, it's interesting and I'm always fascinated when they
have those things. You're wanting to spend more time with
the family. It was like, remember Boris Johnson's brother resigned
from cabinet to spend less time with the family. But
I mean it does see genuine that his family is
over there.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
But recently dispatched this.

Speaker 15 (57:04):
Yeah, it's been it's been an interesting time. And you
look at the whole silver Ac deal and the player's
rebellion and all the stuff that he's sort of been through. Yeah,
like you just think you may well have had enough
time to move on that it's enough. Funny state that
he's in rugby union.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
I just wondered, I thought, saying so he might have
read the room. I mean, David Kirk is the new
broom and he was going to pick up the old
Mark Robbo and brought him away. Will't that well?

Speaker 15 (57:28):
He was speaking very sort of you know, what a
wonderful job he had done, so they always do in
these situations. Yeah, look, club got a lot of and
of course don't forget Mark Romson came in enoughter Steve cho.
You know, he'd been something of an institution that's always
a hard actor for it.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
I wonder if Trish perhaps what they should do. I
mean I did say this. I do think that they
should get somebody who's not a rugby head in there.

Speaker 21 (57:49):
And also I heard you say that I completely agree,
and also somebody who doesn't speak rugby. Yeah, I mean
I think part of Mark's sort of issue during his tenure,
there's been some.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Really stuff, tough stuff to deal with.

Speaker 21 (58:02):
But if you watched him in some of those press conferences,
especially around Ian Foster, he actually looked stricken. He looked,
you know, absolutely ill with stress, and he often was
in interviews and you could hear interviewers frustrated because they
couldn't get a straight answer or words more than sort

(58:23):
of going forward and ninety minutes of rugby out of him.
I think the other point here, though, is they often
say in business that you have a chair and a
CEO for the season, and the chair CEO role is
absolutely critical in any organization. So David Kirk has come in.
He's the right chair for the season. He's got huge
commercial chops, even though he came out of rugby originally.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Don't forget.

Speaker 21 (58:45):
He's run things like Fairfax Media, et cetera. And I
think he will be critical in recruiting the new CEO
and he will want someone with real commercial trap.

Speaker 15 (58:56):
And I say they're combining the job too, aren't they,
Because he's then someone a separate CEO running the commercial
money raising activities in Canada that year.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
And yeah, that's that seems silly. All right, we'll take
a break, come back to you guys. Shortly fourteen away from.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
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Speaker 2 (59:17):
Back of the Huddle, Trishurson, Mark Sainsbury, Trish, what did
you make of the school spending?

Speaker 21 (59:21):
Well, I am not a fan of this kind of
public money, just sloshing around without any checks.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
And balance, because that's the problem here, this is the
core of it.

Speaker 21 (59:31):
And so I take it there is the six thousand
dollars pot of money available to principles for well being.
But in one case that the order to general pulled out,
that six thousand dollars was just paid over into someone's
bank account. No one then said, oh, hey, once you're
back at school, can you run us through you know
what we need to know out of your trip.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
So I think, because I don't know about you, but
if they paid me six thousand dollars for personal development,
i'd spent it on KFC.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Do you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I don't think I've wasted on.

Speaker 21 (01:00:01):
Actually that's a big bucket for you. But I think
I think that's the issue. And so there's two things.
At a personal level, it's not there's no checks and balances.
When you've got anybody in an organization signing off their
own credit card sensory principles, well that that is just
very poor practice. And then at a board level there's
not enough oversight. And then from a ministry level they

(01:00:24):
need to review that whole wellbeing scheme. Yes, people are stressed,
but it doesn't mean you can just get six thousand
dollars cash, and in.

Speaker 15 (01:00:32):
Any other does if you're a teaching well yeah, but.

Speaker 21 (01:00:34):
In any other business if you were getting that type
of money, that would have tax implications for you or
fringe benefit tax implications. So is that is that being
looked into now?

Speaker 15 (01:00:45):
The only other thing though, is this And I don't
know what the extent is of what the order still
hasn't released, but this was about fifty three schools, correct.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
About fifty four?

Speaker 15 (01:00:53):
Wife fifty four schools. There are two five hundred and
fifty three schools in New Zealand. So on one hand,
if your well we only found a problem out of
two percent, you know that's not so. And I'm not
excusing the spending, but I think we do have to
keep it in perspective. Is it out of control right
across the educational sector or have they just picked up

(01:01:13):
something that is it stupid spending?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Isn't that part of the problem? Saying so? Is that
all it takes is one charity to waste money for
us to not want to give to any of them.
And the same thing is true of schools. Can I
ask you a question, do you think it's okay for
the school to spend the money on the jackets for
teachers for a school photo.

Speaker 15 (01:01:29):
See now, when I read that, they started the saying
was for the school photo, then they said it was
for outdoor. It's a area. So whether this was a
respective a retrospective sort of thing to yeah, you shouldn't
be buying sort of jackets for the for the school
photos is a bit nef you know well, And and
then I love the trip with some of the kids

(01:01:50):
didn't even go to the school. That was the one
that got me. But I come back to if it's
only fifty three schools out of two thousand and five
hundred and fifty three, you two are just education.

Speaker 21 (01:02:00):
Thank you, thank you for I really hate radio listeners
could see that Sames has actually got his calculations literally
written on the back of his hand by with a ballpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
P Did you do it by you? Did you use
the phone calculator?

Speaker 15 (01:02:13):
The yeah, no, no no. When I was sitting there,
I didn't have any note, but I wanted to thought,
now I must remember that figure about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
So you did do it in the calculator, and then
right in.

Speaker 15 (01:02:20):
The calculator, I just wrote down two thousand and five
hundred and fifty three in my hand.

Speaker 21 (01:02:24):
That's what happens. That's what happened in the days when
you've got a good matheen the calculator.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Do you remember when he just could teach.

Speaker 15 (01:02:31):
Mat I am going to need counseling after this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Do you eat AFC now?

Speaker 15 (01:02:36):
Funny thing? No, not very really and it's a hangover.
And I worked with this one of the most fabulous producers,
Mary and a Hearne. Are you know really Mary andyting KFC?

Speaker 21 (01:02:45):
Really?

Speaker 15 (01:02:46):
I was weather at the at the Democratic Party National
convention in Boston in two thousand when she had McDonald's
and pursues the only food available at the time, first
time ever. She's a class and there was a never
seen a do it again. Yeah, she's fabulous, fabulous chef.

Speaker 21 (01:03:03):
But well, I love the fact that you covered your
office this afternoon in shame gravy, as Laura told me,
by bringing them all CAFC. I happy to let you
know a little secret about our family. We actually take
pride in the fact that we have popped a number
of people's KFC cherry. When you hear someone say, especially

(01:03:24):
when our kids were little and we'd have other kids
over and they say, oh, we've never eaten cafc.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Well, we take them straight round there.

Speaker 15 (01:03:30):
See the other parents. We take great pleasure in it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
This is wonderful. I'm just going to turn up at
your house with a friend who has obviously eaten caves.
But we're going to lie to you.

Speaker 15 (01:03:40):
Because it will bring Mary and hernround. Maryanne, what are
you doing?

Speaker 21 (01:03:45):
I need this tip also as a parent. If you're
running low on time to make your birthday cake when
the kids a little, take them to McDonald's, buy a
snow freeze and just whack a little candle in.

Speaker 15 (01:03:54):
That's your that's your DIY.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
I have actually done that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
I love them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Hey guys, it's wonderful to have the pair of you.

Speaker 15 (01:04:00):
Yes, just before we go, can I remind everyone that
it's Men's Health Week this week and Barry is one
of our investors. I'm hooking up with him. He is
because he's got he's got a great health story.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
He's a bad news story.

Speaker 12 (01:04:11):
No he's not.

Speaker 15 (01:04:12):
He's alive.

Speaker 21 (01:04:12):
That's what Beacons have hoped you two are.

Speaker 15 (01:04:16):
We we recognize the wives. That's why we market to
them as well, because I the ones who encourage me
to take their health more seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
From you guys. Thank you both, Trishurs and Mark Sainsbury.
Seven Away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Hither your KFC talk made me hungry and now I'm
in the drive through at KFC. Cheers Mark. Somebody asked me, oh,
Hither are you being paid for KFC advertising?

Speaker 19 (01:04:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Actually, but now I think that we should approach them.
What do you think that was? That was just that
was the free be Now you can give us the dollars.
I mean, look, why not? You know, you know, it's
a tough time in the media industry. No time to waste.
Four away from six now, listener, I was going to
tell you about this couple who've move from England. It's
actually from Chippenham in Wiltshire, Sefunga Parawa on the Hibiscus

(01:05:04):
coast north of Auckland, and they've given an group interviewed
at the Telegraph and boy have they raved about New Zealand.
They love it. And these are people who've traveled by
the way. It's not like they just came from like
some dodgy part of the UK and they moved here.
They met in Jakarta, they moved to Singapore. They tried
Sydney for a year. They've worked in Taiwan, Philippines, China, Europe.

(01:05:25):
Came to Auckland for six months and twenty seventeen, loved
it to bits, decided they come back. They admit that
they would earn more if, or at least the bloke
in the relationship who works for he worked for Votaphone
in the UK, admits he would earn more if he
did the same job in Australia. But they just didn't
love Australia as much. The life and the weather are good,
but it wasn't welcoming. They say they love the cost
of living in New Zealand. They say it's cheaper to

(01:05:47):
live here. Groceries are cheaper. It sounds like broadbands cheaper,
mains water is cheaper, electricity is cheaper. And I'm just
guessing by the things that they've listed off. Petrol is
cheaper than in the UK, as is eating out, because
a quickly lunch in Auckland costs up to sixteen dollars
and a coffee costs up to five dollars, but it's
more expensive over there, so that tax is less here.

(01:06:09):
State pensions from over there can be paid here anyway.
They reckon that they're staying here. And I just I'm
telling you this because I just want you to know
that we do. We do winge about it, and we've
got good reason to winge, but still got pretty good
but pretty good here, haven't we. It's a nice place.
Nikola willis with us next.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Even in coming up in the next hour. The Wellington
commercial rates are almost double Auckland's. I mean that's pretty crazy.
Why is that Ian Castle's developer on it. The Warehouse
Group is out of the ends of X fifty, Briscos
Group is in taking its place. Shan Shane Solly Will
talk us through it, and we have Gavin Gray out
of the UK at seven past six and with me
right now is Nichola Willis the Finance Minister. High Nikola, Hi, Heather,

(01:07:03):
do you think the police have stuffed up this investigation
into Michael Forbes?

Speaker 22 (01:07:08):
Look, I don't know enough to make that conclusion. Obviously,
they have internal processes about what information they escalate up
to ministers and they make those judgments accordingly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
But also, I mean, so we'll get to that, but
what about the fact that they've found the sky having
filmed people and there's no debate about it, having filmed
women through the windows of their houses getting changed, and
they haven't charged him for it.

Speaker 22 (01:07:32):
Doesn't it's awful behavior and it's horrible. Police have discretion
and independence and investigating issues like this and deciding whether
there's a case for prosecution. So it's never appropriate for
ministers to dive in and say we think you should
prosecute this person or that person. In this case, I

(01:07:53):
think the actions are horrifying, As the Prime Minister has said,
it does raise questions about whether the various government agencies
involved are talking to each other enough and a deep
dive is being done on that. And then the second issue,
as you raise, is what are the powers available to
the police and this incidence and do we think that
they're sufficient, And again that's a matter for the minister.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
I take your point about police independence and it's a
fair one, but it would it be appropriate for the
Police minister to sit down with the Commissioner and ask
for a police explain as to why nobody told the
police minister that this guy had had his phone seized
with a warrant.

Speaker 22 (01:08:31):
Well, that's what the purpose of the deep divers is
to look into what.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
To not just get the commissioner in and be like,
explain it.

Speaker 22 (01:08:40):
I think it should go through a proper process because
the issue isn't just about the police is it's also
about security clearances. It's about what information is made available
to who, How are the processes sufficient? Are the guidelines sufficient?
So yep, the police are part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
And as I say, the Premiership or fair enough, do
your deep dive and get your answers and stuff. That's
fair enough. But what about the just immediately getting the
getting the police and then saying what happened? Why didn't
you tell us? I mean, for the police to seize
his work phone with a warrant, right is reasonably significant
and I would have thought would immediately require letting the

(01:09:15):
minister know.

Speaker 22 (01:09:17):
Well, look, I don't know whether the Minister has asked
the commission of that and whether he has sat down
or not. Well that's up to him. But what's really
important is how do we make sure in the future
that these issues are managed well? And as I say,
that requires a deeper dive across a range of issues
that's happening. It's happening at pace, Yeah, and it's appropriate that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
It does listen. Something isn't clear in the reporting of
the story, and I wonder if you've been briefed about
what happened here? Did Michael Forbes give his two cell phones,
one being his work cell phone and one being his
personal phone to the angry sex workers and then give
give them the pin to both? Is that what happened?

Speaker 22 (01:09:55):
Well, that's what it appears from the reporting, doesn't it?
And then did he lead leave all of things? Sold
on to ask her those questions because she's the one
who's dug this story out. But I'm left speculating, as
much as you are on how on earth did that occur?
Why did that occur? What were the circumstances? All of
those are questions that I have.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
That's quite a big security brand, wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:10:17):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:10:17):
I understand why people are asking those questions. Are they're
pretty significant. I mean, security breach, bad behavior all together,
terrible incident, And I have to say, you know, there's
a lot of people in the beehive who are feeling shocked,
who are feeling betrayed, who are feeling are really uncomfortable.
So a really sad situation, and not just the beehive,
the women directly impacted.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Yeah too, right, Hey, Now, Federated Farmers has launched a
petition today to try to get the government to allow
young farmers to use key we savor for their first farm.
Apparently you guys have promised this, Why haven't you done it?

Speaker 22 (01:10:51):
Well, I'm actually on the fed farmer's side here, so
sus Redmain, who's the MP for Rangatak, already has a
member's bill in the ballot to do just that. I've
asked the Inland Revenue Department, who provide key we save advice,
to look at that bill and tell me why we
wouldn't make it a government bill. So they are going
to give me some advice on that pretty shortly and
then I'll take recommendations to Cabinet. I think if you

(01:11:13):
can withdraw your key we save the funds to buy
a house, you should be able to withdraw them to
buy farm.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
There's no one so this is just you guys taking
your time there's no opposition from ACT or New Zealand. First,
this is just a national party go slow.

Speaker 19 (01:11:25):
Is it?

Speaker 22 (01:11:26):
Well, there could be opposition.

Speaker 7 (01:11:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:11:28):
I haven't taken proposals to Cabinet yet. As I say,
I've asked for advice on what it would take to
turn that member's bill into a government policy, and based
on that advice, I tend to take recommendations to cabinet.
Do you have the discussion as we do in the
normal way?

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
It seems to me the farm thing is a no brainer.
But then what about the buying your first flock or
your first herd? Do you feel the same about that?

Speaker 22 (01:11:51):
Well, I'd want to look into that because then I
guess that gets to a range of other issues. Should
you be able to buy your first set of tools,
if you're a mechanic stacly be able to buy your
first garage? I can see the slip pres side argument there.
So that's something I want more advice on before I've
formed of view.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Nicholas, what are we going to do about schools just
spending money on crazy things? Is there some way that
we can put some auditing in here?

Speaker 22 (01:12:13):
Well, there is auditing. That's how we know about it right,
pretty infrequently if the Order to General went and had
a look, it isn't frequent. But here's what matters about it.
Everyone listening to the show and everyone who's read that
story needs to now turn around and look their board
of trustees and their school leaders in the eyes and say, please,
don't ever use taxpayers money at my school for those

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sorts of purposes. Use it to lift achievement, because rain
jackets for teachers are nice, but when the tax payer
is paying, the question is, what's the straight line between
that and lifting the literacy and numeracy of our kids?

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Is that all we've got is just sort of giving
them the hard word and hoping they do the right
thing until they get audited in another nine years.

Speaker 22 (01:12:56):
Well, we do the auditing. That's important because it exposes it.
But we also do expect boards of trustees who are
self governing entities to uphold the highest standards. We expect
principles to uphold high standing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Yeah, but that's so what you know, I mean, expectations
have obviously led us this way. Look, Nicola, is it
time for us to rethink actually whether we should have
these school self governing.

Speaker 7 (01:13:21):
I don't think so.

Speaker 22 (01:13:22):
I think there is huge value in having community representatives
running a school in a way that reflects the concerns
of their parent community, with the appropriate support, of course,
and my judgment would be that these cases are rare.
My experience has been that most school boards, most principles,

(01:13:42):
are very very earnest about ensuring that they use taxpayers
money very carefully.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Well, you hope, So now look, Nikola, are we getting
value for money out of the grocery commissioner? Because the
grocery Commissioner came out with some hard words again for
the supermarkets and suppliers and blah blah blah over the
last week, and I just thought, this is just nonsense.
So what's this guy actually done.

Speaker 22 (01:14:02):
I tell you what he's done. He's putting together a
charge sheet against the major players who keep telling you
that they're doing everything right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
What's the charge?

Speaker 22 (01:14:12):
The charge sheet is two pieces of work. One on
their relationships with suppliers, which shows that many supplies are
very unhappy with the way the power and balance in
that relationship is used against them, are very concerned about
the terms and conditions imposed on them, and have evidence
about that that they believe shows that the supply code

(01:14:32):
isn't working and is being made not to work by
the incumbents. The second thing is they've looked at the
wholesale regime, which was meant to provide access to wholesale
groceries for smaller players, and it's clear that that is
not working at all. A fewer than zero points zero
three percent of groceries are brought via that. So what
that means is that the Commerce Commission have set out

(01:14:55):
a case to say when the big players tell you
that they're doing everything right, the evidence is very clear
that they are not. They're not making these systems work.
And that's a problem because you know, the big surf markets,
they spend millions on pr, lawyers, communications, and the one
thing the New Zealand taxpayer has is a small little
grocery commission to go and furnish the other side of

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the story. And those reports are substantive and give evidence well.
On the supplier Code, the Commerce Commission planning to rewrite
that to tighten it up, and on the wholesale regime.
They are first saying to the surf markets, sharpen up
your apt because second, if you don't, we have the

(01:15:37):
power to put in more regulation to force you to. Now,
I don't want to be a regulator. I don't want
to be going and doing regulations. But seriously, the big
players need to get on board. Stop giving it lip service.
The evidence is in the charg sheet.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Is there?

Speaker 22 (01:15:50):
Respond pull up yourself, because I just.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
I feel like it hasn't escaped me that there is.
There are literal charges being laid by the Commerce Commission
right against these supermarkets, and I feel like that is
more successful in actually changing behavior. But that's not even
from the Grocery Commission and that's coming from the commerce team,
isn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:16:08):
Well, it's very important and it's related to this work.
And actually when it comes to both of these pieces
of work, there are penalty regimes attached. But the point
that the Grocery Commissioner is making is unless the regimes
are tight enough and working well enough, it's very hard
to enforce the penalties. But we want to get it working. Yeah,
And that's what I mean by the charge sheet. If
the supermarkets don't respond in good faith to these recommendations,

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then actually regulators get forced into more and more punitive measures.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
When are you announcing what you're doing to the supermarkets?

Speaker 22 (01:16:38):
I will be saying something about that in the next
couple of months, which is two pieces. One is the
request for information, who responded to that and what our
next leavers are to make it easier for other competitors.
And the second piece there is how we're going to
make sure that some of these commerce commission things have teeth.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Okay, brilliant. I look forward to it. Thank you very much,
Nichola Willi's Finance Minister seven Team Past six.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Heather. I was a principal a number of years ago,
I must admit, but our school was ordersed it every year,
which I thought was a requirement by the Ministry of Education.
Maybe that's changed. Oh look, I could not possibly explain it.
It seems to me that an ordered every year would
be a smart thing to do, don't you, especially when
you hear the things that are going on, by the way,
just on the Grocery Commissioner and what Nichola Willis had
to say. That the point that I was trying to make,
and I think it's a valid point in something worth

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thinking about as you watch the story unfold because clearly,
by August Nichola is going to be doing something about
the supermarkets. The Grocery Commissioner has produced reports no one
has read, has written a code of conduct no one understands,
and keeps on, you know, issuing warnings like a crap
parent who you never follows through. But meanwhile, in tandem

(01:17:53):
at the same time, something else has happened which seems
to have much better results, which is that the Commas team,
which is not the Grocery Commissioner's team in the Commerce
Commission another team altogether have laid charges against the supermarkets
for basically, you know, putting the wrong prices and fake
specials and stuff like that. And do you as a
result of that. The other day we had the Woolworths
stores across the entire country shut because their little shelf

(01:18:15):
things weren't working properly. Right, there was a day where
I wonder if they would have shut or they were
just just boxed on that day. But now they know
they've been given the actual warning, because they've got chat,
they are facing charges.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
It seems to me that maybe we didn't need the
Grocery Commissioner after all, and all this regulation and nonsense.
We could have just used the existing tools properly and
given them the frightenness, don't you think anyway, keep an eye.
Gonna have answers by August apparently six twenty two, ever
do Seela Shane Solly Harbor Asset Management is with us.

Speaker 9 (01:18:42):
Hey Shane, Yeah, good, how you go.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
I'm very well, thank you mate. So we've seen a
little bit of a rally, have we in the US
share markets? What's going on here?

Speaker 7 (01:18:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:18:50):
On Friday we saw the US share market close up
on one percent on the day. So we've seen quite
a good rally back to where we were in February.
Some upbeat news about job in the US narrowly beating expectations,
a phone call between mister g mister Trump that saw
some sentiment improvement, and then we've seen mister Trump pushing
the US for the reserve the cut rates again, Sydney

(01:19:10):
markets picking up on that. Over the weekend, we've seen
some more discussion about US China trade talks being back on,
particularly focusing on rares. Some comments just in the last
twenty four hours about from a Trump economic advisor that
they're very comfortable with a trade deal closing with China
on Monday, so we'll see what happens tomorrow. New zeal

(01:19:31):
On time, New Zealand market didn't really take debate. New
Zealand dollar up round sixty point three seven against the
US dollar, the zigned tenure bonds, government bonds pretty flat
four point six five, and now Shear market down point
two percent, so we didn't really follow on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Shane, did you take Paul Conway's comments to mean that
there would be some rate cuts coming.

Speaker 9 (01:19:55):
Well, the market certainly did, right, mister Conway, You've said
a couple of interesting things. First, he said the labor
market may be softer than the job of market rates
to douce, so there could be about underemployment, people not
working in the same out as they were. He then
went on just underlying inflation continues to ease, so those
are sort of tonally talking about maybe they could talk

(01:20:15):
about more cuts. So this is reserve banks speak for
maybe we could think about it. He did say we've
got a long running productivity problem, so I think that's true,
but we definitely need in the near term a bit
of an adjection of some more support. So you know,
we did see in this markets take a bit of
a bait on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Hey, what do you make of your Brisco's replacing the Warehouse.

Speaker 7 (01:20:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:20:38):
So on Friday night, insidys fifty the s and p
insets fifty benchmark. This is the main benchmark. Many Kiwi
Saver funds follow announced that Bresco Group we were replaced
the Warehouse Group based on trading volumes and the market
capitalization of two businesses. And this will all be pushed
through on Thursday the nineteenth, the day before Mattawiki. And
it means that many funds that follow that insid is

(01:20:59):
he fifty this into the fifty benchmark, do't need to
buy shares and Brisco and seal shoes and were are.
So today we saw the Brisca's cheap price up nine
five dollars forty and the Warehouse Group cheer price fell
three point two percent to ninety one cents. So somebody
might have got a bargain. I'm not sure which one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Thanks very much, Jane, I appreciate it. Shane Sally Harvar,
Asset Management, six twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
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Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
That'd be Hey, you'll probably be aware by now. But
over in Ala, obviously the international camera crews there and
there is a nine news crew from Australia and one
of the reporter, Lauren TOMASI has been shot by a
rubber bullets. Now if you that wasn't a mistake. By

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the way, if you see the video, you can see
the guy in the I'm assuming it's a guy because
I mean, who knows, But anyways, in the black outfit
just turning the gun towards her and bang. Channel nine
statement says while reporting from protests, Lauren was struck by
a rubber bullet. She and her camera operator are safe
and will continue their essential work covering these incidents. This
incident serves as a stark reminder of the inherent dangers

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that journalists can face while reporting on the front lines
of protests, underscoring the importance of having their role in
providing vital information. Crazy when authorities start doing stuff like that, Ah,
isn't it ridiculous? Hey, really quickly get you updated on
what's happened with Greta. So the drones went around the yacht.
They dropped a white irritant substance. Saul just got on board,

(01:22:41):
taking everybody off, giving them sandwiches and water. They say
the show is over and now the IDF is going
to take them to ash Dodd the port and they
are going to play the group a video of Hamas
horrors before they deport them. And for Greta's sake, I
hope they deport them by boat, because you know, Greta
on a plane, that's a horror. She doesn't want to
have to experience news doorg ZB.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
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Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
You're blown a rating to be with us out of
the UK shortly. All right, here we go twenty four
away from seven Wellington. It's always trouble in Wellington, isn't it?
And this time there are fears that businesses are being
driven out of Wellington over high rates. The average commercial
rates bill in the capitol has reached forty eight thousand
dollars a year now, that's almost double what it is

(01:23:44):
in Auckland and Auckland it's about twenty seven it's a
twenty seven thousand dollars more than Auckland.

Speaker 11 (01:23:48):
Rather.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Ian Castle's is the director of the Wellington Company, which
is one of the city's largest commercial property developers. Who's
with us?

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
Now?

Speaker 23 (01:23:55):
Hey en believing keV? How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
I'm very well, thank you? So how do you feel
about this? This can't be making it easy to do
business in Wellington at all now.

Speaker 23 (01:24:05):
It's an ongoing story. Really, It's like I was speaking
to someone before. If you keep on getting money out
of the cash machine and it's broken, then you just
keep you keep on going back. So that's why it's
been the one can commercial owners for years now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
So the problem seems so is the problem as simple
as this that the commercial guys are bearing are basically
carrying a disproportionate amount of the rating burden, and then
the residential guys are paying less than they should.

Speaker 23 (01:24:30):
I don't know if that's right. I think there's definitely
a lot of over spending going on. The best way
to look at it really is that for an exactly
similar building, commercial pays maybe five times more than residential
because there's a lot of other fees and levies attached

(01:24:51):
to the commercial rate apart from the three point seven
times differential, which is downtown levy, sewage and target of
water rates, and then the transport levy at the regional
council levees, which is eye watering. So you've got to
pay to bring people into town when they're working from home,
and you've got to give them parties when they don't exist.

(01:25:13):
So all of that falls upon some pull bastards with
an empty building.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
So are you saying it's not just the differential. It's
the differential, but then it's also all the levees that
are added on top of that.

Speaker 23 (01:25:22):
Yes, it's like a big it's a big taking machine.
Like it's just and then when they talk about Warrington
being forty eight percent of the Wartington business paper without
percent of the city's rates, the city is all the
suburbs and all the pipes and a whole lot of things.
Like the city itself doesn't cost anything like the rates
that are levied upon the city's buildings. It's seen as

(01:25:43):
the great provider and you know in the past it
may will have been, but it just can't keep on
doing that and it can't pay. I mean, some b
and seafaft buildings they're paying half of their income and
insurance and rates and the ones that's having been the
income as all their numbers to paying a whopping great
pile of money for the privilege of having an empty

(01:26:05):
building in Wellington.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
What's the fix is? I mean the obvious what some
people will say to you is the fix is that
residential has to carry a bigger burden and commercial less.
Is that the fix or is it actually just to
trim the council spending right back?

Speaker 23 (01:26:18):
You know, you've got to spend according to what you can.
I mean, you've got to do the best you can
with what you've got and really you can't keep on spending.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
At the rate that we are.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
And believe this is obvious to voters because you people
keep on electing real weirdos. And apparently, Ian, I've heard
that the next lot coming in, according to the numbers,
are even worse than the current lot.

Speaker 23 (01:26:40):
That's a strange thing to hear. Well, I don't know.
I mean, we can't comment on that right now though,
until after.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
The elections, but I mean, how is this is what
I'm hearing, and it's not as if you've had one
or two council elections where you've had weirdos elected, Like
this is an ongoing problem with Wellington. Why don't rate
payers realize that there's too much spending going on?

Speaker 23 (01:27:00):
Well, I think some of them do. I mean, I
guess the problem is there's a lot of transient voters
that come to town, isn't there. I mean they come
and vote and lived here for six months or a
year or something and they're all voting.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 23 (01:27:15):
It doesn't directly affect them. I mean, it affects the
people that are left holding the baby.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:27:21):
But listen, the big story here is the council actually
agreed that the after two court lost two court cases
and then one one it won one because the court
didn't want to over the interfere with a democratically arrived
that decision if unless it was totally unreasonable. So they've
got very close to doing that because it was unreasonable,

(01:27:44):
but they didn't think it was totally unreasonable, and they
agreed with the finding of the first two cases. But
the fact of a matter is the council got out
of that by agreeing with the rate players to limit
it to two point eight times. Now this council and
the councils before it had just gleefully. I've gone against
that del So what's what's a commercial Enterity's what's an

(01:28:06):
endg what's the council that it cannot keep its word?

Speaker 6 (01:28:09):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Quite, David, Ian good luck with it, because it sounds
to me like you're going to need it. That's Ian
Ian Castle's director of the Wellington Company. Yeah, somebody said,
somebody who I regard is quite well informed, told me
that they had had a coffee. This is going to
get this is going to get weak this story. But
bear with me, and I can't name names. And if
I named names, you'd be like, oh yep, no, this

(01:28:31):
sounds this is legit. What I will say is a cat.
So I've got my Wellington power broker and my Wellington,
my Wellington informant, my man who knows everything in Wellington,
and he had a coffee the other day with a
newspaper editor in Wellington. It's not that hard to figure
out who I'm talking about. And the newspaper editor said

(01:28:55):
that they had looked at who was likely because they've
done all the numbers and stuff. Like that they've had
a who's likely to get elected in the next council.
Council elections are coming up in a few months time.
Right it was October, isn't it so July August, September, October,
four months time they had a look at who's going
to get elected. And if you think the current council
is bonkers, you wait till you see who's coming in
in October. So it doesn't surprise me at all that

(01:29:19):
this is as a surprise to Ian. Ian strikes me
as a hopeless optimist most of the time. He's one
of those guys glass halful. That's why he's as successful
as he is. But journalists are not successful, and they're
not glass halfull. And they've done the numbers and it's
going to be a circus at the end of this year,
by the sounds of things. Seventeen away from seven, Heather
Duplicy Ellen okay, I said, I was going to talk

(01:29:41):
about TV ANDZ, so let's talk about TV and sedicay.
Last night, the lead item on the TV and Z
bulletin was that a chap was missing. Has flatmate popped up?
He said, our mate is missing? This mate is as
a born in Cambodia Australian passport, so Australian citizen lives
in Wellington as a nurse and gone traveling in Europe

(01:30:01):
and they haven't heard from him for two weeks and
they are worried. They need help and TV ands I
said to the husband when I was watching it last night,
I said, this is going to be embarrassing for TV
and Z because you know that old mate Van's going
to turn up tomorrow, don't you. He'll have lost his phone.
And guess what Van turned up today and guess what
He lost his phone or his phone got nicked or

(01:30:21):
something like that. But anyway, regardless, what happened was after
the news item, the friends friends in Bangkok were like,
I wonder if Van is at that bar that he
always goes to. And they went to the bar and
who's sitting there?

Speaker 11 (01:30:32):
Van?

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Now look, I'm sure that they were worried about Van,
and of course they should be, and of course they
need to rally all of the you know, do whatever
they can. But is this how low the bar is
to get things on the news now of an evening?
This was the lead item on the National News on
a Sunday night, which is the highest viewership that you

(01:30:53):
can get in a week, or at least when I
was working for TV ins at it was so you
want to tell me that. On the most watched bulletin
that they have all week, the first story is some
guy has gone missing from Wellington and they'll finding like
and they were interviewing the Prime Minister.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Anyway, I just think I think that we now need
to clearly not just lower our expectations of the media,
but just drop it to the floor and just expect nothing.
Because between this and stuff running the story the other
day of the delivery guy that just turned out like
clearly was a prank and turned out to be a

(01:31:29):
prank between the two of them, I'm just thinking that,
you know, you can basically just call the newser just
called TV and said be like, Hi, my cat's up
the tree. I think, can you dispatch a camera and
they'll be like, oh, yep, cool, yep, we'll come around.
That's where we're at now, quarter two.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
Whether it's Macro microbe or just playing economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mass
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Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Talks, Heather, This is read the Principles, Heather. I I
personally know of six Principles that use their six thousand
dollars well being cash to attend a conference in Iceland.
They stopped off in Dubai and then they went to
the United Kingdom and they basically had an awesome boys
trip lance. All right, for some, as we would say,
twelve away from seven, Spark has announced today I am listen,

(01:32:18):
here's a little heads up. Okay, if you want to
watch something fun happen, wait for this. I think chances
are Spark has delayed it shut down of the three
G network. It is now going to shut it down
on the thirty first of March twenty twenty six. Now,
if this goes anything like the way it went in Australia,
it's going to be a complete cluster. It's going to

(01:32:39):
be a complete because they gave them an Australia heaps
of warning and they still managed to completely stuff the
thing up monumentally. Because what happened is, I don't know
if you realize this, but there are a whole bunch
of devices out there that only work on three G
and haven't been made capable for four G and the
minute they shut off the three G, it's not going
to work anymore. And so they've they've issued a whole

(01:33:00):
bunch of stuff like an iPhone Sex, Huawei Wy five,
Samsung Galaxy J two Pro. But I noticed what they've
left off the list. It's the old Tesla. Oh yes,
guess what the Tesla's run on three G. So if
you've got yourself a Tesla, you might want to you've
got yourself a cool nine nuns might want to take
it into the Tesla shop and just ask them if

(01:33:21):
there's if it is four G capable, because it would
really suck if on the thirty first of March suddenly
you just couldn't use it anymore, or whatever happens. I
don't know what happens. Ever, look at what happened in Australia.
Gavin Gray UK corresponds with us, Gavin, you there, Hi, there, Hell, Gavin,
tell me about what happened with U. Is it a
photographer who got shot?

Speaker 20 (01:33:42):
Yeah, that's right, a British photographer who's been in Los
Angeles covering the riots there. It's got particularly violent overnight
in the last few hours, with of course Donald Trump,
the president of America announcing those plans to deploy two
thousand National Guard troops to California. So nixt is the
name of the photographer. He's documenting a standoff between anti

(01:34:03):
immigration and customs enforcement. That's ice basically the standoff between
protesters against them and police outside what's being called a
home depot in Paramatt. That was when he was hit
by what's been called a sponge bullet, a fourteen millimeter
sponge bullet, which tore into his thigh. And he has
now thankfully been talking about it. He's undergone emergency surgery

(01:34:27):
at a hospital and is fine.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
He said.

Speaker 20 (01:34:30):
Some of the protesters came and helped me and ended
up carrying me, and I noticed there was blood pouring
from my leg.

Speaker 7 (01:34:36):
Believe it or not.

Speaker 20 (01:34:37):
This is the second time that Stern, who emigrated to
America in two thousand and seven, has been involved in
an incident like this. He was covering the George Floyd
protests in twenty twenty when he was also hit. And
I think this kind of thing will ratchet up the pressure,
of course, on the President to perhaps wind down on

(01:34:57):
what Democrats and the Californian gul Is described as purposefully
inflammatory both speech and actions.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Now, what is the problem with this Chinese super embassy
in London.

Speaker 20 (01:35:10):
Well, it's the positioning of it which has led to
some concerns. Apparently, so China is planning to build a
huge saying it's an embassy. Others are saying it's rumors
of a bug center, or it might be you know,
a sort of super embassy that they're doing, and it's
at the Royal Mint Court. And the reason that that

(01:35:30):
matters is because the actual site is in an area
where lots and lots of data centers are and lots
of data change his hands, particularly around the City of
London and Canary Wharf. Canary Wharf of course a huge
business center City of London, Bank of England there and
other big financial companies, and that's raised concerns about the

(01:35:52):
potential for an espionage risk. This was first apparently released
by reports over the weekend here in several newspapers in
which it was said that America and indeed the White
House itself, had raised concerns with the British government about
the sighting of the embassy and allowing the embassy to

(01:36:14):
be built right in the center of London. However, the
Shadow Home Secretary is weighing in on this, saying that
you're right, we don't think it should be built there.
But a minister for this current government is saying that
the security concerns don't need to be worried about because
we've taken care assidiously in the planning process.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Brilliant. Hey, thank you very much Gavin for talking us
through at Gavin Gray, UK Correspondent eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
It's the hitherto per se Allan Drive full show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by newstalg zibby here.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
Then maybe I should contact TV and Z to complain
that Burger King won't give me my promo T shirt.
But hey, listen, if you're going to do it, wait
until you wait for a Sunday, because you absolutely need
to get maximum viewership and then tell them, tell them
that it's an exclusive, and then they'll put that little
exclusive than got it. Then they'll definitely put it at
number one. Hither, you were incorrect about at Tesla only

(01:37:09):
running on three G. Every Tesla sold since twenty fifteen
supports four G LTE, and even the few sold before
then have now been retrofitted. Think you should correct this
before angry Tesla drivers get on the phone to Spark
in one tomorrow. No, they're not getting on the phone
to Spark and one. They're calling TV and Z and
again they are calling them on a Sunday and they
are saying exclusive. Put it on tally. There you go anyway.

(01:37:34):
So James says it's not a problem for Tesla. I say,
it may be a problem for Tesla. Put it in
your diary. March thirty one. Next year, Let's found out and.

Speaker 6 (01:37:45):
Spinning around by Kylie Mino's players out Nights.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
Knew you loved weird music.

Speaker 6 (01:37:49):
You know what I did it. I don't particularly love
this Calumn Oak song, but there are other Calimnoak songs
that I think of. Bob's. She has joined the twenty
one Club, which is a thing. London's O two Arena
has London O two Arena seats twenty thousand people, so
if you can sell it out twenty one times, you
get to be in the twenty one Club. Prince was
the first person in the club. He made it in
two thousand and seven and since then Michael Boublay take

(01:38:11):
that one direction. Drake Young voices, Mickey Flanagan and Michael McIntire.
There the only people who've done it now, Kylie.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
I mean it's not really like, it's not an illustrious list.

Speaker 6 (01:38:22):
I'm being peck I'll be honest. I don't know who
young voices Mickey Flanagan or Michael McIntyre are.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Michael McIntire is the comedian, you know, the one who's
sort of like he is, but post I mean to
be for twenty thousands pretty good for a comedy show,
but yeah, and take that.

Speaker 6 (01:38:33):
I was like, yeah, yeah, but I mean we're not
some directions pretty good, that's yeah. I feel like they
could sell many more than twenty thousand six.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
But we're not talking about the Rolling Stones here, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:38:43):
Oh, Prince's pretty nay, but yeah, I feel like they
got really excited when Prince did it, and they figured
it with the next one would be the Rolling Stones,
and instead they've ended up with young voices.

Speaker 19 (01:38:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
I don't want to be mean, but I do feel
like Prince is definitely holding the own that you're holding
it by himself. There, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:38:57):
The congratulations, Kylie, thanks again for the KFC either.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
You're welcome ants you deserve it as you are very
good at.

Speaker 8 (01:39:05):
What you do?

Speaker 15 (01:39:06):
You know that ain't so?

Speaker 6 (01:39:07):
Are you head? That's why I gave you that award.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
To packing music suck at that half the time. Enjoy
your evening so you tomorrow

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
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