Full Show Podcast: 09 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News Dogs havev.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We're
going to get the latest on the Tom Phillips developments
with the Police Commissioner up the five Health New Zealand
on the revelation that one in three people in Wellington's
emergency department are being treated in the corridors. The Turner's
ad has finally been taken down, and we'll get analysis
of that Murdock deal for you. It's Heather Duplicy Allen

(00:32):
well It now transpires that police are allowing a documentary
to be made about Tom Phillips and their hunt for him.
It's being made by Julie Christie made lots of great
television in the past, reality TV showmaker. There are camera
crews following police officers being given access, if you want
to call that behind the scenes, you know, the kind
of access that the average media crew can't get. Now, personally,

(00:53):
I think this documentary needs to be killed off immediately.
I do not blame the police for saying yes to
this documentary. In the first place. If it hadn't ended
this way with Tom Phillips trying to kill a police
officer and then being shot dead in response in front
of his daughter, If that hadn't happened, and if various
other things hadn't ended the way that they had, it
might have actually been a good idea to do this documentary.
It might have shown the efforts that the police have

(01:15):
gone to over the last four years to track them down,
the consideration that they've put into it, the care that
they've taken. It might actually have been really good pr
for the police. But now what it is is mainly
just a threat to these kids' future. It is going
to be hard enough for these children to find a
way to be normal in a country that is obsessed
with what has happened to them over the last four years.

(01:36):
By the time that this documentary comes out, might be
two years, five years, ten years.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Documentary is not put together fast. By the time it
comes out, who knows. Hopefully we will have moved on
as a country and be interested in other things. And
all a documentary like this is going to do is
remind us and the world who are fascinated by what
happened to the Phillips kids about this case all over again,
and we will hit Google and we will remind ourselves
of what the kids look like, and what their names are,

(02:01):
and what happened to them in the bush. Children should
never be punished and tortured for the stupid things that
their parents do and the bad decisions that their parents make.
They deserve the right to as much anonymity as possible
and just the chance to live a life free of
what their parents have done. I don't think that the
media that I belong to should publish their photos anymore.

(02:22):
No one should take a photo of them as they
look right now having come out of the bush. And
this documentary needs to be called off.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Heather du pusy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Nino is the text, and but let me know what
you think about that. And actually, by the way, we'll
be giving you updates. There's lots to talk about in
the Phillips case. It's transpired over the last twenty four
hours of bringing all the updates as we go through. Now,
as I mentioned, it's going to be a really tough
road to recovery for the recovered Phillip's children. They are
now in state care Sarah Chatwin is a child psychologist
and with us Hi Sarah, Hi, Heather. What do you,

(02:53):
by the way, what do you think about that the
documentary idea?

Speaker 5 (02:56):
I'm team Heather. I think I can't imagine the point
of that is. So a man is now dead, his
children are re traumatized. It's just a mess. I'm a
psychologist and I'm in shock. What would be the point
of that documentary? Can you tell me what the point is?

Speaker 6 (03:15):
Is it making heroes of the police? I don't know
what the.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Point I think I think that probably was the point originally,
if you think about it from a police perspective, is
to show the effort that they're making to get this right.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
And I understand, and you know, boy, they had a
big job ahead of them because it's been four years, right.
I just don't see how this has played out, how
that necessitates a documentary that's just sensationalizing a time in
our history that we just want to let go of
and allow these children to Oh, you know, they've got

(03:48):
a lot of hurdles.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
It's a journey. And I believe in the resilience of
children and people.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Generally, but this is a biggie. You've been living a
certain way for four years. You have seen a lot
of stuff that kids shouldn't see. You have not been
exposed to social connection and interaction. You've lost a lot
of time, you've had no education, You've been living with
your dad, you love him, he's now dead, and then,
as you said, you know, in years to come, you're

(04:15):
reliving it.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
I did talk about responsible reporting yesterday when I was,
you know, talking to people about what had happened. I'm
not sure that that's a responsible documentary. I understand, and
I do appreciate, and I'm sure we all do appreciate
the links that the police went to to try to
secure a better outcome than this, a more peaceful outcome

(04:37):
than this, But it hasn't happened. And this is a really,
really bad time for a whole lot of people and families.

Speaker 6 (04:43):
So no, I'm team here from.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
All right, sah, I'm pleased to get your perspective on
that now, from tell me, after four years in the bush,
presumably having not seen your mother and your grandparents, are
these people basically strangers to you if you're twelve, nine
to eight.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Look, I definitely think there's road to recovery there and
those people will obviously always be a part of the
children's lives. I mean, I don't know why there was
such a fracture in this family to begin with, and
why a mother wasn't more involved in the upbringing of
her children. I don't have all the facts on that,
so I'm not going to comment to that, but I

(05:22):
think that you know, there are hopefully people that are
very willing and able to be part of these children's
lives in a secure kind of a way.

Speaker 6 (05:32):
But for kids to feel secure.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
The research, you know, points us in the direction of
consistent care, unconditional love, and physical and emotional safety, pretty
much none of which these kids have had for a
long time. And I'm not just talking four years, but
prior to that, there was obviously some dispute and things
going on in a marital relationship, a relationship that wasn't quite right.
So you know, these kids very very quickly need to

(06:00):
to gain that sense of security, and they need consistent care,
unconditional love, physical and emotional safety. So whoever can give
them that is the right person to be put in
front of them, and I'm just not sure who that is.
I'm not in possession of those facts and I'm not
in a position to say, you know where they are
at the moment. I guess there's a lot of assessment

(06:20):
going on.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Right, Yeah, So what it sounds like is, judging by
what the cops are saying, they are allowing the kids
to settle wherever it is that they're settling. This is
not with the mother, it's not with the grandparents. They're
settling somewhere, and in the weeks to come, the police
will slowly interview them with an expert. Is that kind
of how you expect that it should play.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
I would have expected that there was, yes, a period
of assessment, both you know, physiological and psychological.

Speaker 6 (06:47):
So that sounds right. I'm not sure about the context.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
I guess because they have been away from mother, grandparents,
I guess we're taking into account members of you know,
their uncles and aunts on their father's side.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
Or grandparents on their father's side. I'm not sure who
is available, but I guess.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
That the powers that be would look all the experts,
you know, psychologists such as myself, would look at who
those key people are and how they could be introduced
to the children again without retraumatizing them. So it's a
it's a very it's a delicate situations together all of them.

(07:26):
The children, Yes, I would, Well, they've been together, they've
been their own.

Speaker 6 (07:31):
Support crew for four years.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
They're you know, obviously the only one missing his dad,
So absolutely I would suggest that they're kept together.

Speaker 6 (07:37):
That would be.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Again another insult, adding that insult to already a very
injured kind of a situation.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
So yes, I would keep them together.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
I mean, the three children same genetic background, but they're
probably all very different children. They're at slightly different ages,
and they have different needs, different personality types.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
I mean, one child was obviously a child that the father.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
You know, took with him when he went and you know,
did some.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
Pretty out there kind of stuff with regard.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
To including a child and that kind of stuff, you know,
the theft and the rakens and all the rest of it.
I guess, you know, is that what you do when
you're very desperate to survive. So you know, there would
be different perceptions that those kids would have of the
four years. They played different roles in that scenario, they
had different things that they were doing, and all the while,

(08:29):
you know, there was a lot of deprivation, There was
social deprivation, for menial deprivation. I suspect that at times
they were hungry, tired. So there's a lot to assess
in this in this period here.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Sarah, thank you. Was always really appreciate your expertise, Sarah Chatwin,
child psychologist from from Basically, we're gleaning things every single
time there is a press conference. And it would appear
that at this stage, even though the children were rescued
at around about this time yesterday, the mother has not
yet been granted access by ordering a tamitiki to see them,

(09:00):
and also Tom Phillips's parents haven't either. Now that at
the stage, Ot is simply not answering any questions as
to whether that is standard procedure or if that has
got anything to do with the family court rulings that
have been made in the past. No idea, no idea
what is going on, but that is the facts as
we understand it. Hither I agree. I don't want these
kids chased like the Laws and Quins or the Ingham Twins.

(09:23):
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from So I'm looking at fifty six right now and
it's only four weeks a and I'm holding my breath
that come once miles away.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Sport Warriors six pm.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
Wede Eden's okay you reckon? Yeah no, you said that
was like, let's just make sure we don't bust this
guy's melon any further. He can have a Cappu Tina
lie down and then we'll find out what's going on.
At six o'clock tonight, the teams will come out. It's
up against the Pemerith side. Of course, we've got Jick
Cleary and our age group team for the hour the

(10:57):
Warriors have.

Speaker 9 (10:58):
I gotta stop saying that that's what it is. Horrible,
isn't it.

Speaker 7 (11:01):
Yeah, so Jet, I don't know if they can throw
anything into the pet with Jet, if he can help out,
if he's got anything that maybe some sledging to aim
at Nathan, but we don't know.

Speaker 9 (11:13):
But that team comes out tonight at six.

Speaker 7 (11:15):
The story around this game, if everyone's getting kind of
upset that the NRAL of program the game, so it's
at six.

Speaker 9 (11:22):
If you want to watch the All Blacks are going
to have to record one of them. You don't get
them both live.

Speaker 8 (11:27):
And that you know what.

Speaker 7 (11:28):
NRL couldn't care less about Ruby. The NRL they care
about New Zealand. It's that's pretty obvious.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Look, I don't care about rugby.

Speaker 9 (11:34):
Why would they change anything they're doing to appease the
rugby thing?

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Literally, the competition is yeah, precisely.

Speaker 9 (11:40):
It's like you want to watch us, watch us, you
want to recall those records.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's a big night for us.

Speaker 8 (11:44):
Though.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
We're going to be chucking the kids in bed at sex,
aren't we.

Speaker 8 (11:46):
Are you? No?

Speaker 9 (11:47):
Not really, No, I can't do that anymore.

Speaker 7 (11:49):
She's almost as big as I am, so I think
there'll be no chucking anyone anyway.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Pretty quickly, all Whites are playing Aussie in the soccer
ashes and this is this at seven.

Speaker 9 (11:57):
Yes, seven o'clock Mouse Smart Stadium and op unity to
maybe win. Hopefully Chris Wood can score a goal because
he's not scored a goal against them. It's scored like
eighty four goals and forty.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
Four matches and he's thirty three years old. He's not
scored a goal against the yokers, so be looking to break.

Speaker 9 (12:14):
Back, but they won't like lean into.

Speaker 7 (12:16):
Him heavily because he's that's going to go back to
Europe and play with there. And Reussi Rasmus released his
team this morning. He's basically gashed. Half the team is
like that said, you're all gone. There's only one original
back line guy in the same place. Another back line
bike has moved into centers and John Hart form more
black coaches are going to join us tonight up after

(12:37):
seven o'clock to discuss r.

Speaker 8 (12:39):
He love it.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Thank you very much, Darcy Darcy Wardgrove Sports Talk Hoast.
He'll be back at seven. It's for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
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Speaker 3 (12:53):
Be hither, excuse me, lord above, what's just going on?
I've just got a frog in my throat anyway, it's
very unprofessional. I apologize here that you talk about the
documentary being sensationalizing the situation, and yet we continue to
talk about the situation, the kids and the policeman and
Phillips himself God, and how about we just let it go. Well, look,
that is a fair point to make, right, because there
is a certain hypocrisy in saying that a documentary should

(13:15):
not be made at the same time that we're doing
a radio program and we're talking about it, and we
will talk about a lot in this program. I think
there is a difference, though, if I can make this
argument about what we're doing right now when the situation
has just unfolded and what is going what a documentary
which may come out in years to come and remind
us make this, I guarantee you this documentary will never

(13:35):
see the light of day by the way they will
see common sense and pull it. But it's different between
what we're doing. There's a difference between what we're doing
right now what may happen in years to come. There
are a lot of things that still have to be
dealt with for the country's sake. There are accomplices out there.
Tom Phillips, absolutely, one hundred percent, mark my words, had accomplices.
They have to be found and they probably have to
face charges for it. There is an officer who has

(13:57):
been shot in the head and is still recovering. There
are questions that need to be answered about why and
ask about why the police took so long. They knew
that there were things happening, they knew that it was dangerous,
they knew Tom Phillips was committing crimes, coming out doing
all kinds of stuff, you know, robbing places and various things.
They should have the potentially should have gone in a
long time ago. So until all of that has dealt with, unfortunately,

(14:18):
and then there's the IBCA investigation and everything. Unfortunately, we
still have to kind of deal with it as the
news media. Listen just really quickly, and remember Richard Chambers
is with us after five. Jet Cleary, who Darcy just mentioned.
I didn't know that they did this, but Jet Cleary
is literally playing the role of his brother Nathan, who's
obviously the player for the Panthers in kind of like

(14:39):
mock ups. So they've got they've assembled a squad to
pretend to be the Panthers and play the Warriors, so
they can kind of map out what the Panthers are
likely to do, and Jet has to run the same
lines and the same moves as what they would expect
Nathan to do because apparently he is very similar in
his playing style to Nathan. I mean, I know, it's like,
you know, before the political and stuff in an election year,

(15:01):
they'll get people out famously. Nikola Willis played Helen Clark
to kind of get John Key ready for the debates. Well,
they do the same thing in Sport. Who knew anyway,
Murrayold's with us out of Australia. Soon news talks edb.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else News Talks, d B.

Speaker 8 (15:33):
J.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Murriol's, Hey, what about that the succession drama in real
life has finally been resolved in Kendall. Roy is the winner.
Murriol's is going to explain it all to us in
a few minutes time. Barry Soop will be a US
in ten minutes. Wellington. So, the latest out of Wellington
is that one in three people who are in the
emergency department are apparently being treated in corridors. That is
how jam packed the places and apparently, according to the Herald,

(16:01):
it has led to medical errors and a ten percent
increase in patient mortality, which basically means more people are
dying as a result of that. So we'll have a
chat to Health New Zealand about that. Half the five
o'clock right now, it's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
It's the World Wires on Youth Talks, it'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
A note that's allegedly from Donald Trump wishing Jeffrey Epsteen
a happy birthday has now been released by the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Now.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
It alludes to the unnamed Wonderful Secret and has a
drawing of a naked woman. Trump's denied the note was
from him ever since we learned it exists earlier this year.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
I'll do drawings sometimes, he would.

Speaker 10 (16:36):
You do a building and I'll drew a four line
and a little roof, you know, for a charity.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
So but but I'm not a drawing person. I don't
do drawings of women. That I can tell you.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
The Murdoch family has finally reached a succession deal. Lochlan
Murdoch gets full control of News Corp and Fox Corpse,
some of the siblings get a family trust, and some
of them get one point one billion dollars in settlement.
More on that with Murray Old shortly and finally.

Speaker 8 (17:07):
Strangely alluring.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
So a pickish.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Passenger has gone viral for making fresh and yoki while
on a plane thirty thousand feet in the air. The
video has been viewed ten million times, and most of
the comments say that they would hate to sit next
to her getting flour everywhere, and they've pointed out that
she's made a plate of raw pasta that she has
no ability to actually cook, never mind the hygiene standards
on a plane.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Murrayold's Australia correspondent with US now he mus good afternoon, Heather.
All right, so what's the latest with these comments about
the migrants from India.

Speaker 11 (17:46):
Well, the lady says it's blown up like a frog
and a blender and no apology from senator, Just send
an jimber Price. This, of course is the woman who've
jumped into the Liberal Party when it suited her to
join Angus Taylor in the bid for a joint leadership
team with the demise of Peter Dutton. It's an internal

(18:08):
fight really is being played out over immigration, but it's
also about the conservative wing of the Liberal Party over
here flexing its muscles against the moderates in the.

Speaker 8 (18:17):
Middle that woke wet middle.

Speaker 11 (18:20):
According to the right wingers, Prices in trouble for saying
the Albanese government is letting in so many migrants, particularly
specifically migrants from India, because she said all those people
vote labor. Q uproar oh I was taken out of context,
she says, as she's being lectured by other Liberals. Later
said that, you know, as she was wrong, but she's

(18:42):
refused to apologize. Now Here's the thing I did some
digging today. Australian Indians make up about one million people
in Australia, above average education, above average income. Everything you
hear about them is terrific, hard working, patriotic, prosperous. They
love cricket. Some of the players actually turn out for Australia.

(19:02):
So it's all good. Susan Lee's done all she can
is the opposition leader to try and hose down this controversy.
But Price, who was the darling of the right wing
over here, still won't say sorry, still attacking liberal moderates.
It's not very helpful for a party that's so far behind.
It's really invisible in the political race over here.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Now what do you make of A and Z announcing
they're going to get rid of so many people?

Speaker 11 (19:26):
Wow to Cutters are going to be very active though,
shouting their raisers and the alien zeid. This is what
was going to happen when the new banker arrived, the
new CEO, Nuno Matos, he was appointed in May, made
it very clear. I mean internal emails were leaked sadly
went to the wrong people.

Speaker 8 (19:44):
We're going to be we're going to be getting rid
of a few people.

Speaker 11 (19:46):
Well, hello, today we've found out over the next twelve
months three thousand, five hundred jobs that will be cut,
along with another one thousand contractors. Now A Matos was
hired as part of a deliberate pan to try and
drive costs down, a broader restructure strategy. I aimed at
basically simplifying the bank, he says, and reducing the duplicate roles. Well,

(20:10):
the union is furious, The finance sector union says, this
isn't a strategy.

Speaker 8 (20:15):
It's completely unhinged.

Speaker 11 (20:16):
As I say, mattis arrived in May the deliberate high
by the board to improve the bottom line.

Speaker 8 (20:20):
He's got a new nickname, heather n No get on.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
All right, thank you for explaining it.

Speaker 8 (20:29):
Mars.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
All right, So what do you make of Lachland getting
full control.

Speaker 8 (20:33):
Well, it means that Daddy has done it again.

Speaker 11 (20:35):
Rupert Murdoch, he's ninety four years old and the old
bugger still can take a trick. You'd never want to
play cards with Rupert Murdoch. He made this bet a
year ago. He looked at his four oldest children, Lachlan, James.
You've got Prudence and Elizabeth, and they had an irrevocable
trust that was set up many years ago, under the

(20:56):
terms of which when Rupert dies.

Speaker 8 (20:58):
The four adult oldest kids would share the bulk of
the estate.

Speaker 11 (21:03):
Rupert looked at this last year, looked at us up.
His second son James said, Oh, he's a lefty, you know.
He's worried about climate trage, a change in tree frogs.
He apparently never considered the two women up to anything,
and he nominated Lochlan as his heir apparent, the one
and only air apparent, And he went to court in
Nevada trying to get this irrevocable trust changed. Well, the

(21:26):
judge threw it out, he said, made it's just a
complete fiction what you're saying. But Lochlan, as I say,
was Rupert's picture on the business. He's the most conservative,
the Rupert was arguing, and the most likely to keep
it operating profitably into the future. As I say, I
went to court thrown out, he said, he's going to appeal. Well,
now private talks have settled at all. Lachlan is going

(21:48):
to be the single heir of Rupert Murdoch when he goes.
But the other three siblings, who were all now barred
from ever having any shares in the companies. Fox Corporation,
News Corporation h is to receive more than one billion
US dollars for their shares in those two companies.

Speaker 8 (22:06):
So it's a massive win for Rupert. It's got a
customer for you, Bob, but he's got plenty real life.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Succession had a better ending.

Speaker 8 (22:12):
A Oh, it's extraordinary. And you know he set this
in train a year ago and he's done it again.
Never back against.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Him, No, totally, muz, Thank you very much. Murray Olds,
Australia correspondent. Hither Tom Phillips must have had fires at
his campsite in the middle of winter. Can you ask
Police Commissioner Richard Chambers why didn't the police over four
whole years keeps the valance for smoke? That's actually not
a bad question to be honest. By the way, just
on the Murdoch thing, we're going to talk to a
chap called Paddy Manning who's a journalist and the host

(22:40):
of a podcast about Rupert Murdoch. On the succession stuff,
he's going to be with us after sex either du
On the Phillips thing, there's a guy who reckons that
he actually came across Tom Phillips three times in the
last four years. The chap's name is Leon Wood seems
to have actually taken it upon himself to do a
bit of a private investigation looking for Tom Phillips. He

(23:02):
spent about like really close to one thousand hours just
on the search of but nine hundred and seventy six
hours or something like that, Reckons. The first time he
came across Phillips was in the Carfier area. He saw
Phillips and the three kids and a friend in a ute,
and he could tell it was Tom Phillips because of
his head and of course very distinctive kind of you know,
shape of his head. The second time, he reckons, he

(23:25):
saw him in a nearby valley, so he must have
been out out. He must have gone out bush looking
for him. He pulled out his bunch, he saw somebody
out there, pulled out his binoculars, had a copped an eifel. Yeah,
oh that's Tom Phillips. Oh look, Tom Phillips is looking
back at me with his binoculars. Kids were running around outside.
Tom tells him to go inside. Tom goes inside, comes
out with a gun. So this bloke scarpers as you
would third time he saw him, he Reckons, was only

(23:46):
last month and he saw him at a batch. He
says he was driving part he reckons it was him.
I think it's not one hundred percent ident, not one
hundred percent confirmation, but he was driving slowly past this batch,
saw a guy standing on the deck. The guy start
acting suspiciously, ran out, had a hat on, so he
couldn't be sure with a distinctive head shape that it
was actually Phillips was covered by a hat. But the
guy ran down the deck then stood there and watched

(24:09):
leon Wood the entire suggests like it sounds like the
entire time. As he drove past, leon Wood says he
was never able to get the police there in a
hurry because all the cell phone coveragees were all patchy
and stuff in a bit of a problem. So by
the time he got into good cell phone coverage and
then called the cops and the cops got out there,
Phillips had got on a quad bike. Everybody gone on
their cord bikes and taken off anyway. As I say,

(24:30):
Richard Chambers with US Police Commissioner after five and also
in the matter of the children being in state care,
Karen Sure the Minister for Children who's in charge of
ordering at Samitikei. She's with us after the half past five,
sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
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Speaker 2 (24:46):
Certain do I mean to.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Tell you what's going on with the turners ad So
I'm going to do that very shortly. Barry Sober right now,
thirteen away from five and Barrysober, senior political correspondents with us. Hey, Barry,
good afternoon. Okay, So what's the update on the Tom
Phillips from a political perspective?

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Well, was interesting.

Speaker 9 (25:00):
I know you probably watched it as well.

Speaker 10 (25:01):
I watched the press conference this morning, both the Police
Minister Mark Mitchell and the Commissioner Richard Chambers. They visited
the constable who was shot in Waikato hospital this morning.
It was a very somber press conference.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
I might say.

Speaker 10 (25:19):
Richard Chambers's voice was close to cracking. I thought on
a few occasions. It just shows that he's very close
to his men and that's probably why he got the job.
But they're both back from Melbourne and you know, the
irony is terrible really that they were at a funeral
of one of the officers who was shot over there

(25:39):
last week, so that's particularly sad. Chambers said. The officer
here is doing well after being shot several times by
Tom Phillips.

Speaker 12 (25:47):
He was able to speak to us a little bit.
His eyes are not open, you'll appreciate that. Yesterday he
spent a good deal of the day in surgery. As
I said, it's very confronting, but he knows where they are.
He was able to a couple of laughs and that's good,
but it's pretty hard the threat that mister Phillips presented.

Speaker 9 (26:06):
He was a very motivated offender. He had a very
high powered rifle.

Speaker 12 (26:10):
As you've heard the minister saying, there is absolutely no
doubt his intent was to kill the police officer.

Speaker 10 (26:16):
Yeah, I heard you on with the child psychologists earlier
ahead and that you know, for a twelve year old
to see a father being shot and we're still to
see a policeman being shot as well, just it must
be so traumatic.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yes, such a long road, such a long road to recovery. Unfortunate, unfortunately. Okay,
So Winston in a fight.

Speaker 9 (26:39):
Verbal he loves stirring in Parliament.

Speaker 8 (26:42):
It's his theater.

Speaker 9 (26:44):
Basically, he was at it again.

Speaker 10 (26:47):
The Greens were resplendent in their Palestinian scarves, wondering why
New Zealand is not recognizing Palestine when many other countries
are now doing so. Was the intervention of the Maldi parties.
Debbie Noriwa Packer who got Peter's got on Peter's goat.

(27:08):
The Foreign Minister told her in New Zealand's requorders without
parallel before it turns out.

Speaker 13 (27:13):
Here, which one of those countries can tell us what
democracy should look like, given our proud record going all
the way back to eighteen fifty four and giving Mary
the vote lad in sixty seven and women the vote
first before all the other countries.

Speaker 9 (27:26):
No, no, no, no, no, no about it. I'm not
not half Maurray. I mean real ones, not.

Speaker 13 (27:30):
Irish packers, not Irish packers.

Speaker 14 (27:33):
Not Irish packers, nor order mister speaker a border DEMI
I take offense to what the previous speaker has just said,
and it is not it is not appropriate to use
this place to blood quantum and to sit there and
suggest that someone's to sit there, to suggest that someone
has passed something.

Speaker 10 (27:54):
Well, she seems to have forgotten that her co leader
Rawi White Tea, he made a statement about Mardy having
superior genetics to park Ya.

Speaker 9 (28:06):
So yeah, that's the pot calling the Kendle black.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
I would it is rich coming from them because remember
they she was she not also one of the ones
who made a suggestion that David Seymour was not a
real Marty.

Speaker 10 (28:17):
Oh absolutely yeah, because is not quite as thick as hers.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Well, he wasn't behaving like she's just childish stuff. It
is very who's invited Nichola Willister to go and see
the homeless in Auckland.

Speaker 10 (28:29):
Well, I'll let you have a guess as I talk
about it. It was again very lively, but the topics
I've got to say in question time today they don't
change very much from one recess to another. The Greens,
Chloe Swarwick, was again raising the plight of homeless, particularly
in her electorate of Auckland Central. For weeks now she's

(28:51):
been inviting the Prime Minister to take a walk.

Speaker 9 (28:53):
With her to meet street dwellers.

Speaker 10 (28:56):
Well, today she turned her attention to the Finance Minister,
inviting her to do the same, and as usual at
miss the mark.

Speaker 15 (29:03):
Will the Finance Minister then take up the invitation which
the Prime Minister has so far ignored to walk the
streets of Auckland Central to meet the people, including the
children who her government's decisions have made homeless, or.

Speaker 16 (29:18):
Mister speaker, I think the more immediate response, if the
member is aware of any children living on the street,
would be for her to urgently bring that information to
the Ministry of Social Development to ensure those children get
the support to which they are entitled.

Speaker 10 (29:31):
Yeah, and the truth is I walk on the streets
of Walkland every day and I've never seen children sleeping
rough on the streets. So you know again, Chloe Swarbrick
is missing the mark.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
All right, he Barry, thanks very much, appreciate it. Barry Soper,
Senior political correspondent, eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (29:54):
So after virtually four years, the Tom philipsunger came to
a conclusion.

Speaker 9 (29:57):
Mike Mitchell's the police Minister.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Obviously an awful s situation to everyone involved.

Speaker 17 (30:01):
When you've got father with three children deep in the bush,
with firearms, unpredictable and like to use them, did you
have a genuine knowledge based belief that he was capable
of harming his own children?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I can't answer.

Speaker 17 (30:12):
That also the detail in terms of the risk analysis
that would have been done around him and whether or
not he was capable of harming his own children. I
do know this that he is the suspect for some
serious violent offending and he's included those children in that offending.
And no responsible father would ever put their children in
harm's way, and he did that. Back tomorrow at six
am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Maylee's Real Estate Newstalk.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Zeb Now what the police have released today, by the way,
it's four away from five. What the police have released
today is the first photos of the camp that the family,
the Phillips family had set up in the bush. Pretty
bloody well, hadn't I Like, if you're coming at it
from the wrong angle, I imagine you'd miss it all together.
There are a couple of quad bikes that I could
see covered in sort of camouflage, netting, tires around the place,

(30:55):
signs of life like empty cans of sprite, empty bottle
of beer by the looks of things, cannisters of fuel,
various bittonetting and so on. We're gonna have to chat
to Richard Chambers Police Commission, who's with us straight after
five o'clock. Also the Turners ad. So somebody's finally got
the Turners ad down. They've been trying for a while.
I mean this, I don't know why, but it's really

(31:18):
wound the humorless up. Like I don't know why, but
the Turner's ad has really got under the skin of
some people. And finally a complaint has been upheld. So
the complainant said the ad was a disgrace to Kiwis.
In particular, they took issue with the fact that the
ad says that the cops are out looking for a
car and plying it stolen.

Speaker 8 (31:36):
Woo.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Also concerns over the word shit and that the ad
was offensive to fat people. Finally, what really got them
was the burnout, and this is the thing that the
Advertising Standards Authority has upheld. The majority on the ASA
board said it was not socially responsible to condone a dangerous, illegal,
or unsafe practice by showing a car doing a burnout.

(31:58):
So the YouTube ad cannot be us again in its
current form. Do you know what it's an ad? I mean,
just because you see a burnout in an ad doesn't
mean a burnout's a great idea Down Victoria Street, does
it in the center of Auckland City. I don't know
where our humor is gone, but we've completely lost it
by the looks of things. Not only old mate, who
would you spend your time doing that? Didn't you have

(32:18):
better things to do with your time, like sit outside
in the sun and have a cup of coffee and
just chill out a little bit, But also the ASA
board bunch of old people with no sense of humor. Anyway,
We're gonna have a chat about that later on with
Photo Lang who understands all the marketing and stuff, and
he'll tell us what they're going to do now Richard
Chambers with us next?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
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Speaker 4 (32:39):
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Speaker 8 (32:45):
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Speaker 3 (33:04):
While the children have been safely recovered from the bush,
the investigations into Tom Phillips are far from over. Police
have said they are actively hunting any of Philip Phillips's
accomplices as they try to unpack us whereabouts over the
past four years. Richard Chambers is the police commissioner.

Speaker 12 (33:18):
Richard Hello, Hello Heather.

Speaker 8 (33:20):
Richard.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
You said today that when you went to see your
officer in hospital it was confronting.

Speaker 12 (33:24):
Why, well, the extent of the injuries. Ever, you know,
we got very very close to losing one of our
colleagues yesterday morning. It's quite remarkable he's with us, and
it's even more remarkable that he's speaking and he's so
positive actually with a bit of humor. So very very confronting,
especially having just returned from Melbourne where I attended the

(33:46):
funeral of two Victoria police officers who were shot at
the end of August.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
All right, you're going after Tom Phillips's accomplices, now, are you?

Speaker 12 (33:55):
Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (33:55):
We are.

Speaker 12 (33:56):
So we're going to put a puzzle together. We're going
to better understand the last four years. Is anybody who
may have been helping him, supplying him with something, you know,
I mean, that's our job. We're in law enforcement. And
if somebody has contributed to the situation that we've been
dealing with, in the situation these children have been put in,
then we'll apply our effort to that and who knows

(34:18):
what may come of our work going forward.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Tom Phillips's parents suspects.

Speaker 12 (34:25):
Look, I wouldn't comment on that, Heather. I mean, you know,
we keep an open mind. We've got a lot of
work to do. We are very very grateful to the
public for the support that they have provided us, and
that information continues to come and so yet a lot
of work to do, very very committed police officers on
this investigation and will ensure that if we identify offenses

(34:47):
along the way, irrespective of who they are, we will
deal with them.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
How many do you think there were accomplices?

Speaker 12 (34:54):
Look, I don't know. I don't know whither. We have
to keep a very open mind. And you know we're
talking about all years that have passed.

Speaker 9 (35:02):
It's a long time.

Speaker 12 (35:04):
It's been a very very challenging investigation. He's been committing
violent offenses unbelievably with some of his children. So you know,
it's a complex situation and you know, we've got a
fair bit of work to do before we can share
that a puzzle more publicly.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Are you going to go ahead with that documentary?

Speaker 12 (35:28):
Well, you know, I mean, we get approaches all the
time from documentary makers. You know, if agreements are put
in place that we retain control over the content. So yeah,
this is no different on this occasion.

Speaker 9 (35:43):
So you know, we'll give that thought going forward.

Speaker 12 (35:45):
Certainly, certainly a situation that's got a lot of global interest,
that's for sure.

Speaker 9 (35:50):
Richard.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
How can you go ahead with the documentary? You've got
kids here who are traumatized, one of whom watched the
father being shot. And it's not to say that that
wasn't the right thing to do, but these need to
get on with their lives, and if a documentary is
published as released in years to come, it will only
retraumatize them and bring this all back up for them,
won't It will make us all bested again.

Speaker 12 (36:09):
Yeah, look, yeah, correct, yeah, they look, we're very mindful
of the impact of this whole situation, and our job
is certainly to ensure the children are given the best
future that they can possibly have. So we're mindful of
all of that. And hey, look, it's like any other
occasion where we make a documentary, you always operate within
the law, and they also always take on board all
the privacy considerations. This situation is absolutely.

Speaker 9 (36:30):
No different, is it.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
A possibility that you may pullp in on it.

Speaker 12 (36:34):
It's too early, heither to comment on at at all.
You know, I mean that the agreement in place allows
police to maintain control of any information that has the
potential to be shared. You know, we've shared a lot
in the last couple of days because that's what a
lot of the public interest in the situation as global.
So you know, we're very very mindful of the impact

(36:55):
of the information that we share.

Speaker 8 (36:57):
So it's too early to.

Speaker 12 (36:58):
Make terminations in that respect. Are you going we also
have investigations, of course, we have investigations ongoing. We have
Corona investigations, so you know, a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, fair enough. Are you going to oppose that suppression
in court?

Speaker 12 (37:13):
Well, look, I need to give hopefully tomorrow will give
some more thought to that, because I've got my people
thinking about that right now. But we appreciate there's tremendous
public interest in this situation, so we're very mindful of that,
and you know, the public they've got a right to
know the information frankly, whatever that may be. So but

(37:35):
at this point undetermined in terms of where we said
on it, we need to give that some thought.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Okay, did you in the last four years ever come
across them, or any of your officers ever come across
the slot in the bush?

Speaker 12 (37:48):
Look, we've been working really, really hard for forty years,
day and night. I've been out there in the field
with my staff. I've been to their operation base. They've
put their heart and soul into this for a very
long time. We've we've used a number of tactics. We've
been over, we've been covert, we've been you know, we've
done a huge amount of work around this. So the

(38:10):
challenge we've had all the way along is the environment
that we're operating and a motivated, armed and dangerous person.
We're very conscious of the safety and will being of
the children. So we've had so many considerations and along
the way we've had tremendous support from the public. So
in the fullness of time, that puzzle will put together

(38:30):
and we'll share more of what we know in your course.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Did you come across them in four years in the bush?

Speaker 12 (38:39):
Well, had we come across them in a way we
could have brought to did you come across them?

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Did any of your officers come across them in the bush?

Speaker 8 (38:46):
No?

Speaker 3 (38:47):
No, never, once, never, in four years never once.

Speaker 12 (38:51):
You know, we've had lots of information coming through. We've
obviously had images caught on since the TV. We had
all sorts of things that we've at And.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
I'm not I'm not looking to impugne you guys in
any way. But there is a chap who has gone
public today with he spent about one thousand hours here
reckons that he came across them three times. Is that credible?

Speaker 12 (39:11):
I don't know who that persons. But of course if
he's got information that he liked to share with the police,
then he needs to do the right thing. So that's
all I say. We've appealed for the public support all
the way along and I'm assuming he has shed whatever
information he has. If he hasn't, then I think he
should probably should.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
All right, Richard, thank you very much, really appreciate your time.
Richard Chambers a police commissioner. Now, the suppression that I
was talking about with Richard just there is an injunction
that was filed in the High Court last night the kids.
If you remember yesterday, the kids were found around four
point thirty just after seven. Media were injuncted and prevented
from publishing certain aspects of the case, which have largely

(39:48):
up to now been unpublished. Police are also injuncted as
uding a tamidiki. The lawyer Linda Clarke is acting on
behalf of the Phillips family and applied for the injunction.
This will be heard again tomorrow in the High Court
in Wellington. We will be speaking to Karen Shure, the
Minister for Children in charge of ordering Atomodochy, after half
past five, and so I'll talk to her about that

(40:10):
as well. By the way, sorry I said tomorrow, I
mean Thursday, of course, fourteen past five. Seventeen past five. Now,
my favorite ad is the Turner's ad, but it turns
out that the Advertising Standards Authority doesn't love it quite
as much sollas your Honda runder. I mean, I am
playing this absolutely to maggle them, aren't I?

Speaker 9 (40:30):
Yes, I am.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Someone's complained that the ad is a disgrace to Kiwis
for showing illegal activity, swearing and offending obese people, and
the ASA have agreed with that actually, because it's not
socially responsible to show a car doing a burnout. Todd
Hunter is the chief executive of Turner's, a Todd Hey head.
It's a bit silly, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (40:50):
It's goot storm and the teacup vibes about it.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
I think, yeah, doesn't it. Now what do you have
to do? Do you have to change this? You have
to take the burnout out in order to be able
to keep continue playing the ad.

Speaker 19 (41:00):
Well, the TV versions of the ad have the burnout
cut out of it already, So this is just the
YouTube version of our ad that has the one second
clip of the of the burnout.

Speaker 8 (41:15):
Why did you know?

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Did you anticipate it was going to be a problem?
You left it out of the TV ads?

Speaker 18 (41:20):
No, I think there's actually a process that you go
through to have the ad cleared before it goes on
broadcast TV and TV on demand. And the recommendation there
was to take the burnout out, and so we did.

Speaker 8 (41:36):
Well.

Speaker 18 (41:37):
I think they might have actually asked us to take
it out, but we didn't take it out in the
YouTube version because we thought it was kind of some
fun and kind of part of how we originally created
the ad. So yeah, the one second, the one the

(41:57):
one second of the of the car actually be out
has clearly created this problem and this one complaint. I mean,
I actually think the person who's complained, I owe them
a great deal of thanks for keeping Tina from Turner's
continually in the media.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Well, I was going to say this, right, because while
it's created extra work for you and basically you've wasted
your money on the burnout, it is giving you so
much free publicity that you can hardly be cross about this.

Speaker 8 (42:25):
That's right.

Speaker 18 (42:26):
And if you read through the comments on the Herald article,
clearly people are overwhelmingly in support of the ad and
support of what we're doing.

Speaker 8 (42:36):
So yeah, it's all fine.

Speaker 9 (42:38):
Yeah, good on.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah, listen, Todd, thank you very much, appreciate it. Todd Hunter,
Turner's chief executive. We were going to speak to Bodo.
What happened Laura to Todd call in. Did Todd hear
us talking? Yeah, Todd heard we're going to talk to
Bodo Lang, the marketing guy, and then Todd heard us
talking about it, and Todd called up and was like, no,
don't talk, don't talk to Boda. I'll talk about my ad.
And then on he came. Because I'm a fan of

(43:00):
Todd's and Todd's is a fan of mine. Well, he's
a fan of Laura's work actually, because she puts the
phone to get the show together, so we'll give her
the credit for that one. Listen, Stewart, I was kind
of caught a little bit on the hop just before
because I was thinking about Stuart Nash and then the
ads ended and I had to suddenly recover, and why
I was thinking about Stuart Nash was not a good thing,
because Stuart has said something that I am deeply thinking

(43:24):
about whether I should play to you or not. And
in the spirit of the turn is at I think
I'm just gonna throw caution to the of we've been injuncted.
That annoyed me. Being injuncted is annoying, and then the
ASA has done this and that annoyed me. So I
think we're going to throw caution to the wind and
I'm going to play this to you, and then I'm
going to just deal with the bosses later on when
they come at me on that. So anyways, stand by,

(43:45):
it's going to be a minute. Well, first we're going
to deal with the secondary school teachers and then we're
gonna deal with Stuart Nash's coming up to twenty one
past five, The.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Day's newspakers talk to Heather first.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Heather Dupicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the
power of satellite mobile news.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Doorgs en behither the Turner's ad does capture us Keywis.
People are overreacting and all it takes is one person
to make noise. Yet one person who went and watched
it on, not even being forced to watch it on
Talley went and dug it out on the YouTube. Honestly,
settle down. Five twenty three. Now we've got to talk
about the secondary school teachers and their pay off a rejection. Now,
secondary school teachers should never fall into the trap of

(44:21):
believing that they are like nurses when it comes to
pay disputes, and that the public will show the same
level of tolerance for their strikes and pay disputes that
we have done with the nurses, because they're not the same.
I have respect for secondary school teachers. I know many
who do incredible jobs and jobs that are challenging in
the hours that they are actually in the classroom. But

(44:42):
it is a different ballgame with nurses. And nurses can
strike and they can battle the government for better pay
a lot longer because we know they work weird hours
and they save people's lives and they clean up people's messes,
and we see them when we're in hospital with our kids,
running from one thing to the other without a break. Teachers,
I'm sorry to have to be blunt here, have pretty

(45:03):
cruisy hours. Absolutely, some of the jobs are really bloody hard.
Kids are tough, and a classroom of kids is a
lot of tough, right, But those hours that they work
are the envy of many people. Fourteen weeks a year
of not having classes, fourteen weeks a year of not
having classes is the envy of most working people. And

(45:26):
I do not think that the secondary school teachers do
themselves any good by opposing the Education Ministr's attempts to
get them back at school for just a little bit longer.
So what's going on is it's the callback days that
they're fighting about. These are days when teachers are expected
to come back to school during school holidays to get
professional development. They have ten callback days at the moment
the government wants to increase it to eighteen. These are

(45:47):
days that they are paid to work. By the way,
They're not being asked to come in on their own time, right,
these are paid days they're being asked to come to school.
The point of it, I think is probably to use
these these days in school holidays for professional development and
get rid of the teachers only days during term so
that the kids actually get taught during term. Now, even
if all of these eighteen days are used and they
won't be, that's not even four weeks. It still leaves

(46:10):
teachers ten weeks a year of school holiday time which
they can use however they choose to use it. Some
will use it for work, some will use it for
not work whatever. Now I say this with respect for
secondary school teachers. Refusing to come to work on days
that you're paid to work is really not a great look, guys.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Togever do for ce ellens.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Okay, So Stuart Nash was asked what is a woman?
Which is like the bent of certain media, right, certain
media who sit a little on the right and get
really caught up in the culture. Was that's still going
on about this stuff. And they asked Stuart Nash what
is a woman?

Speaker 4 (46:49):
And he said a woman is a person with a sperit.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
So a woman is a person with a beep and
a pair of beep.

Speaker 8 (46:59):
A woman is a person with a spirit.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Now Stuart's wife is cross. Stewart's wife doesn't need this
she doesn't need this. She's already done like how many
years with him in politics, just you know, not being there,
being absent, going to the gym, building his muscles, doing
weird Instagram. But now he's flirting with Winston. She didn't
need this as well, So she's cross with him about this,

(47:23):
like a cross enough for him to then call the
media oul and be like, listen, can you please take
that out of the interview because my wife has cross
with me and they haven't. They haven't. Now, I don't
know if this is a good thing for I mean,
it's better than the Chippy situation, isn't it, Because Chippy
doesn't actually know what a woman is and can't answer
the question because he's too bloody busy trying to appease
the like whoo lefties in the Labor Party, which it

(47:45):
appears as the majority of them nowadays. So at least
at least Stewart knows what a woman is. But m
it's a little let's just say that this level of
crassness would not go down well with both of his girlfriends,
his wife and Winston Peters. Anyway, we'll put this to
the huddle later on. Karen Sure, Minister for children.

Speaker 8 (48:03):
Is with us.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Next the name you trusted to get the answers you need,
it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else use talks.

Speaker 8 (48:23):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Heather Stuart Nash would get my vote. Huddler is standing
by e. They're going to be with us very shortly
and after six o'clock we're going to get a guy
who's done a podcast on the Murdocks to have a
chat to us about the deal that's just been struck.
While it was kind of struck really in the last
twenty four hours or so, that basically gives control of
all the companies to Lachlan Murdoch right now, it's twenty
five away from six. Now, after four years in the

(48:52):
care of their father, Tom Phillips's children are now in
the care of ordering A Tamadiki Ordunger Tamidike's White Cuttle
Regional Commissioner Comorta, who gave an update on their situation today.

Speaker 20 (49:02):
I want to assure the community here in Waikattle and
also the White the public of New Zealand that my
team in this region have been planning and preparing for
the return of these Tominiki from when they went missing.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Karen Sure is the Children's Minister and with us right now. Ha,
Karen Hey, thanks for having me, Karen, thank you for
joining us. How are the kids? They are they doing
things that you would expect kids of their age to
be doing.

Speaker 21 (49:25):
Look, I'm not actually on site and haven't seen or
spoken to these children, but my understanding is they're doing
well under the circumstances. We have staff that are currently
supporting them and making sure that they're getting everything they
need at this stage, and making a plan of what

(49:46):
to do moving forward.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
How do you have any idea yet when it is
that they will be allowed to see their mother and
siblings and grandparents.

Speaker 21 (49:57):
So I'm going to be very careful because I'm constrained
by the of information I can share, But what I
would say is the Family Court are actively managing this
case now, and we as an organization and as government,
will comply with whatever directions the Family Court give us.
But this will not stop us from making sure that
across the children's system that we put in places at

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the supports that these kids need for as long as
they need.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Do you imagine that there will be a custody battle
is that a possibility.

Speaker 21 (50:27):
I mean, anything's a possibility. I can't control what people
will do in the future when it comes to custody disputes.
But what I would say is our focus needs to
be on the healing of these kids, their safety and
their well being, and making the right decision for the children,
not the organizations or the adults.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Will you impose the will you oppose the injunction and
caught on Thursday?

Speaker 21 (50:54):
Look, that's something that I can't really comment to, But
what I would say is, once I can share the information,
I'll be happy to come back and have another conversation.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Okay, Obviously, the best thing for these children is that
we the rest of us in the public kind of
lose an interest in them and just allow them to
get on with growing up and healing up. How do
you rate the chances that we can actually do that?

Speaker 21 (51:19):
Look, I mean, we have to make sure that that
these young people are at the forefront of our minds.
We have been as an organization or Dungu Tamadaki has
been working on a plan since since the day they disappeared.
That plan may have to change depending on the circumstances
of the young people. Once we have a conversation and

(51:40):
assess what their needs are. But we are joined up
with all agencies across the children's system to make sure
that they're not forgotten and that they are given the
care that they need, and they're going to need a
lot of care.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Yeah, I'm going to talk to the huddle about this
and just a text or what you'll take on it.
Do you think that that documentary that the police are
facilitating should go to air?

Speaker 21 (52:04):
I'm unsure of what you're speaking to right now. My apologies,
I don't know what documentary your speech.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
There is a documentary being made by Julia Christi which
has behind the scenes access of the search and has
presumably been filmed for some time now. The concern that
I have about it is the interest that we have
at the moment is fair enough. But for a documentary
to pop up in a couple of years, five years,
ten years, and to reach this all up again does
not feel to me to be the best thing in
the interests of the children.

Speaker 21 (52:32):
Yeah, I wouldn't think so ever. I think when it
needs to be taken into account the mental well being
also of these young people, and this is going to
be an ongoing issue for them for many years to come,
and I would hope that anybody that's putting a documentary
of that coin out would take these children's views into consideration.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah, Karen, listen, Thanks very much and we may talk
to you again in the near future. Karen's your Children's minister.
Twenty away from six with.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
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Speaker 3 (53:05):
This evening we have Gareth Hugh's director of the Well
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and Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union Hire you too. Gareth thoughts
on the documentary.

Speaker 22 (53:17):
Oh, look, if you are making a documentary to raise
profile while these kids were still stuck in the bush
with their father, I think that's probably a good thing
to do. But now they've been found safe, you know,
I think their right to privacy is probably the most
important thing, so that we won't be able to control
the netflixes or the Disney channels of the world. I
understand why there's interested in making a story, but look,

(53:38):
I hope New Zealand's not making a story which is
all about trying to, you know, just sell tickets. Basically
will sensationalize. What I prefer is the kids, you know,
just we're able to get on with your life.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Yeah, Jordan, I agree, I think that, especially as things
have unfolded that and of course, you know, even when
assuming suppression is lifted on this one, Daud, I just
I think it's it's just it's awful. Why would you
go there? It might have been started with the best
of intentions, and I'm sure that someone's going to be

(54:10):
seriously out of pocket, but actually who cares, you know,
there's not in the public interest.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, do you think I mean, Gareth, do you think
it is possible for us to kind of back off
as a society and let them kind of get on
with it as much as possible and not remind them
of what they've gone through.

Speaker 22 (54:26):
I hope so. And you know, I've worked a lot
with people in the media in New Zealand and I've
got a lot of time for them. There's a lot
of really good people doing the work here in New Zealand.
So look, I've got confidence and in a lot of
the New Zealand media, less so the international ones. Obviously,
you know, this has gone at international attention and I
can easily imagine, you know, documentary being made on one

(54:46):
of the big channels. But look, my message to the
media is like, please diffect them the children's inter us
rather than chasing dollars.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah, you know what, Jordan, I'll tell you. What I'm
surprised by is the ongoing support and I'm getting it
even now on the on the text, ongoing support for
Tom Phillips, as if he's some sort of a good
guy doing the right thing by his kids.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Well, it's what suppression does I mean? And it's not
a sign of weakness. It's actually the sign of an
organization with a healthy dynamic. There's quite I see on
the board of the Free Speech Union, and there is
a healthy debate going on between the lawyers, both the
advisory board and on the board about the role of suppression.

(55:28):
And I'm not going to, you know, obviously break any
of that, but of course in the vacuum you do
get misperceptions that are that.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Arise.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
I must have met on this one. I'm really quite torn.
But it's notwithstanding a view on the documentary, and I
don't think we should gouge on it. I do think
that it is pretty outrageous that was very clearly such
a significant case. You have lawyers saying we can know
that you can't, as particularly led by a lawyer who's
on the board of our state broadcaster. I consider that

(56:02):
just actually that is.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Such an interesting point, do you think, I mean it
getting is it getting weirdly conflicted for Linda Clark to
be injuncting the media when she is the board member
of the.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
First time, not for the you know, I mean, should
they active for mc skimmings?

Speaker 3 (56:17):
And I mean, how do you that's right superjunction to
protect to prevent us from knowing anything about jive.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
And it was a super injunction you couldn't it was
illegal to even that really drove me up the wall
that you that, as a free speech advocate you couldn't
even tell people and injunction existed because that was and
I'd love to know how common that is in New Zealand.
But as I say, reason why, it's them different on cases.
But media should be pretty pure on this. I mean,

(56:45):
at the end of May are actually pretty good on it.
But to have a board member being being continually in
court arguing for secrecy, I think is just such a.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Now, Gareth, are you on the side of turners. Are
you or are you on the side of old mate
who complained about the burnout?

Speaker 22 (57:05):
Well as a sort of former boy racer from Gisborne
who used to drove a low car with mag wheels,
I'm probably on the other side of the argument. Look,
I mean, there's probably more important things to be talking
about in the state of the world today. But look,
this was a one second clip of the burnout and
a pretty funny, lighthearted video. But ultimately, you know, this
wasn't a decision to me. This was a decision for

(57:27):
the advertising.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
And they clearly have. Gareth, what kind of car did
you drive?

Speaker 22 (57:33):
I had a Mark one Ford Escort.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Oh what color?

Speaker 22 (57:36):
Beautiful red?

Speaker 9 (57:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Did you do burnouts?

Speaker 4 (57:39):
I didn't.

Speaker 22 (57:40):
Actually, I'm such a cheapskate, you know. I'd rather keep
the rubber of my expensive tires on the car the road.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
This is not at all what I expected from you.
I'm going to take a break. I want to know
what you think when we come back. Jordan sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
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Speaker 3 (58:00):
You're back of the huddle, Gareth Hughes and Jordan Williams gone. Then, Jordan,
what do you think of the Turner's ad?

Speaker 4 (58:05):
I think the Advertising Standards Authority is quite out of touch,
you know, how can it be? What is literally New
Zealand's favorite advertising character is offensive to the reasonable person
or clearly not. The other interesting thing is is it
was a YouTube ad only, which resembly means that it's
been quite targeted at a younger you know, the people

(58:26):
that you know that the nature of some experience in marketing,
the nature of a good marketing spend as you're reaching
the right person, So the ad would be targeting the
younger demographic for which that ad would work, and you
get these ASA fogures. I appreciate it's industry lead, but
in my experience with the ASA, they are frankly out
of touch. They're pretty politicized, as I say, in having

(58:49):
had clients put in front of them, and I just
think this was just yet another one.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Yeah, and have you got any secret boy racer history
you need to disclose here?

Speaker 4 (59:00):
Not that willing to describe to the country. I've had
a prime error in the Senate when I was at
high school, and I was pretty proud of it with
my paid for with my McDonald's job.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Oh, did you have a McDonald's. I had a McDonald's job,
but I didn't.

Speaker 8 (59:13):
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
I think you'd be more McCafe, wouldn't you.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
No, I love the drive through because there was an
efficiency that you needed, you needed.

Speaker 12 (59:22):
I think your other panelis might have had some experience.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Gareth, we've discussed this you.

Speaker 22 (59:27):
I've been arrested addresses Ronald McDonald infamously. But on my
fifteenth birthday I got my driver's license, so I in
the first place, I went with the McDonald's drive through.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Yes, of course you did, because McDonald's is always a
lovely treat when you make bad decisions as a young person. Now, Gareth,
do you think that MPs should be able to hold
because there's once again we're having this debate about whether
mp should be able to hold shares or should force
should be forced to divest. What do you think?

Speaker 23 (59:52):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (59:52):
I think if the voting or regulating or involved in
making decisions on something they've got a direct commercial interest, yeah,
they should divest it. We've got rules for ministers and
I agree with the professor from way Katow, Professor McCauley
who's suggesting why don't we broaden it out to MPs
as well. Look, I think the bigger issue that's sort

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of what the pecuniary interests of our politicians discloses, just
how many of them are invested in housing. I think
it tells you so much about the state of our economy,
or which has been described as an economy sorry, a
housing market with a bit of an economy tagged on.
Where you know people in power are interesting their money.
And I think the second thing we need to be

(01:00:33):
really focusing on as well as the donations that go
to politicians. I don't think politicians should be receiving donations
when they're directly regulating the very contrast or industry donating
the money.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Go Dan, I heard that's go for he wants text
by funding of political parties. No, I'm pretty suspicious of
looking for interests, but I do think in this instance
is the risk of jumping at shadows. A regular decision
by the minister is a bit different than sort of
voting on general legislation, and it seems that even the

(01:01:07):
sort of the most remote interest has now jumped upon.
So basically the argument is we only want losers, sorry
people that either don't have significant investments or are willing
to really take the heed or give them up as
them as of Parliament. Look, we all know here that
the caliber of people putting themselves forward to public office

(01:01:29):
is to significantly decreased over time. And the big reason
that it's cited is this sort of thing.

Speaker 8 (01:01:38):
I not as I say.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
On the other hand, the public is right to be suspicious. Heck,
I run the taxpayers Union. You know, we point out
conflicts all the time, but there is there is a
difference between something very minor and remote and actually a
real conflict.

Speaker 22 (01:01:53):
But we do have a real issue right which is
public trust is dropping two thirds of key. We think
the economy is rigged for the rich and powerful. This
has an impact on how people trust politicians. And look
at politicians put there. You know, she is in a
blind trust while they're there for you know, three sects
or whatever many years. It's not a bigger position for
what should be the greater public interest.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Are you garis going to go and see the Justinda documentary.

Speaker 22 (01:02:17):
Oh of course she was a great prime minister.

Speaker 8 (01:02:19):
Oh no, stop it, no, no, don't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
You're doing that on purpose. You're doing that on purpose.

Speaker 22 (01:02:24):
Just give it a great tragic I would go to
a documentary about Arnold Nordemaier. I'd love New Zealand politics
and we'll always see it. Look, I think she was
one of the better prime ministers we've had in recent years.

Speaker 13 (01:02:35):
She wasn't.

Speaker 22 (01:02:36):
She didn't do everything right and from my perspective, wasn't
a progressively transformation.

Speaker 16 (01:02:41):
Oh no, that's garth.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
I'm going to hang up on you in a military
Well no, lord, imagine if she was more progressively transformational. Lord, Jordan,
are you going to go see it?

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
I'm sure in died Me has an employee assistance program
for your run.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Get my three counseling sessions and use them up on
talking about just cinder. It's not a bad idea. Actually, anyway,
do you want to go see it with me? Jo,
because we can console each other.

Speaker 12 (01:03:02):
For me?

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Oh do you think so?

Speaker 8 (01:03:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Problem, I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Yeah, I won't understand anything. Yeah, thank you, I'm told
which one didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
You're down to movies out on top.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Bit of time? Yeah, thanks very much. Guys appreciate it.
Jordan Williams, Gareth Hughes Eight Away from six.

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We will continue to monitor feedback and consider what further
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of people who don't, but everybody else has got on
their iphonees. So we're all slightly interested in this that

(01:04:55):
they do this. You know, Apple do this annual product
launch event. Are they going to do it tonight? And
they're going to launch the iPhone seventeen and they're going
to launch the Apple Watch. But they are also going
to launch the iPhone Air. It's being reported now the
iPhone Air is a departure from what they've been doing
up to now. It's a skinnier, it's it's going to
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really small, and it'll be the first time since twenty
seventeen that they've actually dramatically changed the way they've done
the Apple Phone. Twenty seventeen is when they got rid
of the home button and put the face recognition thing on,
and that's since then. This is the first time it's
going to change in a big way, so keep an
eye out for that. We're going to talk about succession next,
about Murden Murdoch, Lachlan taking over it, the whole thing,

(01:05:37):
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Speaker 24 (01:05:53):
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Enda Brady is out of the UK for us at
eight past six. Now, after years of a legal battle,
the Murdoch family has settled the succession question. Lachlan Murdock
is the winner, he will control his father's media group.

(01:06:34):
The family have struck an agreement. Lachland controls a new trust.
His siblings, pre Elizabeth and James will cease being beneficiaries
of any trust with shares in Fox or News Call,
which means the conservative slant of Fox News, the Wall
Street Journal, and The New York Post are guaranteed. Paddy
Manning has authored books and hosted a podcast on the
Murdoch dynasty. Hi, Paddy, Hi, hather Right, what do we

(01:06:54):
know about the deal?

Speaker 25 (01:06:57):
It's an extraordinary deal. In fact, three point three billion
dollars US. The three disaffected siblings, James, Elizabeth and Prue
will walk away from the Murdock media empire altogether and
agree under a stand still commitment that they will not

(01:07:20):
have any further involvement in either Fox or News corporation.
And now I think that that is a that is
definitely a final outcome to the succession question that swelled
around the Murdoch family for almost.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Three three decades.

Speaker 25 (01:07:38):
You know which of Ripert Murdock's children would get final,
unassailable control of the business. Lachlan is the successor. But
it's an interesting question how the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Deal is structured and we're waiting.

Speaker 25 (01:07:55):
We haven't got full financial disclosure on this, but it
seems that there is. Lochlan Medock has decided to take
a little bit of a risk that the combined Murdoch
family holding. A lot of these shares are being sold
to the public. So it's not the case that Lachlan
is buying out his siblings. He's engineered to buy out,
but it's not with his own money. Some of it

(01:08:15):
is his money, but a good chunk of it is
coming from the public buying this shareholding.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
It's interesting now this has been dragging on for such
a long time. So what do you think it was
in the end that managed to get them to let
go of the company? Was it just the scale of
the payout?

Speaker 25 (01:08:34):
I think that the price was part of the sticking
you know, part of the sticking point in the negotiations
was the price. And what what that means is that
there had been previous offers by There had been previous
offers by Lochan Medoc to buy out his siblings. In

(01:08:57):
particular James, the most vocal critic of the Fox and
News businesses, to buy out his you know, buy him
out at fifty percent of the market value of the holding,
for example, or and then it was increased of sixty percent. Now,
what we've seen with this deal is that James, Liz
and Prue have got eighty percent of the market value
of their shareholding held in the Murdock Family Trust with

(01:09:20):
this three point three billion dollar deal. And Lachlan, you know,
I think will feel that that is, you know, that's
a good outcome.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Yeah, Now, Patty, obviously difficult to be running a media
company in the twenty first century, right, things have changed
quite a lot recently. Do you think Lachlan has got
Is he going to change things up significantly?

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I don't think so.

Speaker 25 (01:09:44):
I think it's a status quo outcome for now. I
think there are steps that he has previously signaled he
would like to take, like putting Fox and News back together.
They were split in the wake of the phone acting scandal.
But I think he will want to He will want
to recombine them, and he signaled that in the past,
and it was scotch. That's the kind of deal he

(01:10:06):
wanted to do. But it was scotch by opposition, partly
from James as a beneficiary of the Murdoch Family Trust.
And that's the kind of deal that he will be
able to do now without any challenge.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Patty, thank you for talking us through at Patty Manning,
author of minibooks and podcast, also host of a podcast
on the Murdoch Dynasty.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Heather duper c LA TVNZ has been.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
In touch to clarify that Linda Clark is not on
the board anymore. She left in June. She was not reappointed.
Kind of passed me by, and it appears to have
passed most of us by because remember she left. She
took a leave in May because she was acting for
jivim mcskimming. Remember that she was acting for gim MC skimming.
And then she took the superinjunction to try to stop
the media from publishing the nature of the porn charges

(01:10:51):
that he was facing and blah blah blah. And so
then yeah, while she was on leave, just not reappointed
and given the given the line of work, probably a
smart idea. Now it looks like there's a possibility, I
mean we always say this, but it looks like there's
maybe a possibility that Banksy might have their identity revealed.
This is because of Banksy's new mural, which has not
gone down well with the authorities. In the UK. Banksy

(01:11:14):
has done a stencil on the side of the Royal
Courts of Justice in London showing a protest on the
ground and sort of you know, arms in the arms
up in the air defending themselves are being smashed by
a judge with a gavel. A police investigation has been
launched into it. They don't because they don't. It's potential
criminal damage, they say, And of course what that means

(01:11:35):
is if the police do decide to press charges, then
banks he would be required to publicly disclose his name
if he was brought if it was brought to court.
The artwork has been covered up. It's going to be removed.
They have covered up. It's quite ironic though, isn't it.
Here They are always happy to celebrate a piece of
banks the art and make a big song and dance
about it. But when it's on the side of the judges,
on the side of the courthouse and they don't like

(01:11:57):
the look of it, cover that up real quick. Smart
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Pretty good?

Speaker 26 (01:12:44):
Actually, Beef and lamb New Zealand have come out with
their new season outlook, and even despite Trump's tariffs, robust
international demand from the likes of the US, they're still
eating as many burgers as we can poke their way.
Europe and the UK, especially with those FTAs, are going
really well for US and even despite falling stock numbers
and lower export volumes, red meat exports are expected to

(01:13:08):
rise by one point four billion dollars to ten point
five billion all up for the twenty four twenty five season.
We're also being helped by lower forecast sheep exports out
of Australia, one of our main competitors. When it comes
to profitability, these are interesting numbers. Twenty three to twenty four,
the season before the one we've just been in was

(01:13:29):
one of the toughest since the GFC.

Speaker 23 (01:13:31):
Listen to this.

Speaker 26 (01:13:32):
Your average sheep farmer made a profit before tax, and
they wouldn't have been paying much tax on this profit
of nineteen thousand dollars. Forty percent the sheep and bee
farms were running at a loss. Well, that's turned around
dramatically in twenty four to twenty five, the season we're
just about to finish, average profitability one hundred and thirty
eight thousand, six hundred. Next season it's forecast to go

(01:13:54):
to one hundred and sixty six thousand, five hundred.

Speaker 6 (01:13:57):
Minds you, you've got several million.

Speaker 26 (01:13:59):
Dollars in many is invested in these properties, so you
would need a return of that or better. Perhaps the
interesting point Kate Acklin made when she was chatting to
meet today on my show. All season average lamb prices
forecast to be one hundred and eighty dollars, beef two
thousand dollars, Heather, that's why your steaks are so expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
And now talk to me about the food wastage because
the steaks are so expensive, so we waste less of them.

Speaker 26 (01:14:26):
Well, I wouldn't waste any of my steak I found
as well.

Speaker 8 (01:14:29):
Good.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, should.

Speaker 26 (01:14:31):
Well absolutely Look Rabobank. They've moved the survey to every
two years now with the food charity Key We Harvest,
and they're saying, I mean, the food waste numbers are
still pretty bad when you think about it. We're only
wasting ten point nine percent of our food now, that's
a drop from twelve point two percent and twenty twenty three.
That equates to three billion dollars per annum we're wasting

(01:14:55):
and food. Interestingly, the latest survey found that the average
household food spend and this shows you just how tired
it is for some families was only two dollars more
than it was in twenty twenty three, and we've had
quite huge food inflation since then, so effectively households are
having to cut back on the amount of food they buy.

(01:15:17):
What really interested me, Heather, is when you look at
the age demographics gen Z, that's the nineteen ninety seven
onwards residents, they wasted seventeen point eight percent of their food,
but back in twenty twenty two, they wasted twenty eight
point two.

Speaker 8 (01:15:33):
Percent of their food.

Speaker 26 (01:15:34):
It gets better as you go through the generations. The
baby boomers, of course, Heather, the lucky generation leading the charge.
They're only wasting six point eight percent of their food.
And then when you'd split it between males and females,
not surprisingly males waste more than females, and not surprisingly
urban dwellers And I'll get told off by city friends

(01:15:55):
for this one. Urban dwellers waste more than their frugal
rural counterpears and Duela's twelve point four percent of their food.
That's you, Heather, people from a farm like me, seven
point eight percent.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Tell me again, what was the gen z is currently wasting?

Speaker 26 (01:16:08):
How much they're currently wasting? Seventeen point eight percent before
why beforehand they were wasting and twenty twenty two, three
years ago, twenty eight point two percent.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
That's a third of their food, Jamie, I.

Speaker 26 (01:16:24):
Know, well, they're at the disposable generation, Jen, Why gen
y that's the millennials, Yeah, eighteen eighty one and nineteen
eighty one to ninety ninety six, fourteen point one gen X,
they're getting more sensible ten point four. But once again,
you know the baby boomus. What a great number. Six
point eight.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Yeah, that's right. Eat it all up, Thank you very much,
Jamie appreciated Jamie McKay, host of the Country, Genes twenty seven, Like,
think about that, that's a third of their food, right,
So they go and they spend one hundred bucks of
the who spends one hundred bucks at the supermarket. Let's
there's one hundred and fifty bucks of the supermarket. Fifty
bucks of that is going in the bin because they
can't be bothered finding something to do with the black
carrots the bottom of the fridge. Know what I did

(01:17:01):
with the black carrots to the bottom of the fridge, Well,
they were just a little bit black. Again, they weren't
that black. I mean like it wasn't like dangerously black.
I just grated them into a good bond and aise
is what you do with it, you know, the local
little black bit just kind of cools off. You know,
I bet they find that they got the carrots that
wob lay. We're not going to ate that, do you
know what I ate? The other day yesterday for lunch ate.

(01:17:22):
Something was cocked on Tuesday. That's right. It was in
the fridge for a week.

Speaker 8 (01:17:26):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Guts of steel people, that's what happens when you eat
all the food and you don't worry about it. Never
makes your sex six twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Everything from SMS to the big corporates.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mass for
Insurance Investments and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Huie Safer and you're in good hands News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
Said be well, I am shocked to have to tell
you this, but Winston Peters has sent a statement to
us about what Stuart Nash said. He says the words
used were not acceptable and on that point we agree
with missus Nash, as does Stuart. Now he has reflected
on them and as he said on the media outlet.

(01:18:07):
Peters was then asked what is a woman and he
set a human adult female. Okay, So yeah, Stu, think
about what you're saying, mate, Think about the words coming
out of your mouth being a bit loose. They're a
lot in the past, haven't we haven't. Okay. So Audrey
Young's written a piece Christopher Lucxtion leadership speculation, Why Rolling
a PM is rare, and she lays this out. She says,

(01:18:28):
has the threshold been met for Luxeon to be rolled?

Speaker 8 (01:18:30):
Not yet.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
The polls point to a close resulted next year's election,
but might lose is hardly a compelling reason to get
rid of a prime minister, Nor are the annoying things
such as inviting Taylor Swift to honeymoon in New Zealand
or blathering on too much during media interviews. National is
in a grey zone at present, in which its polling
is not dire enough to justify getting rid of a
prime minister, but it is uncertain enough to warrant speculation

(01:18:52):
about the leadership, and a lot of speculation can become destabilizing.
Matthew Houghton's Herald column on Friday canvassing Luxe's leaders ship
failing sparked such special sparked such speculation. Any crisis is
some way off if it comes at all. She then says,
if there was to be a leadership co or a
managed exit or whatever. If it was show business, then

(01:19:14):
Erica Stanford would be ahead. But it is politics, and
Chris Bishop would appear to have greater political skills six
twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Neither Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Obviously, I need to say I agree entirely with what
Audrey says, because Audrey is clever and knows what she's
talking about. Here's some show biz news for you, Brad,
turn on your Delongey. That was Brad and Delongey. Can
you figure this out? Basically, this is the competition for

(01:19:43):
then Espresso ads with George Clooney. This is Brad Pitt
fronting the new Delongey campaign. There's nothing like a little
bit of beefcake with your morning espressod you're know what
I'm talking about. And they've released a short film. It's
only a minute long, but it's directed by none other
than Tiger Ytt. Delongey are saying that they've used Brad's
charm and ty is humor to make a perfect ad.
But listen to this and tell me if you think
it's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Hey, b Feto, don ferto not there yet? Don ferto prefetoto?
Come on, Manda prefeto good enough, you're getting there. The
Longey it's not just perfect, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Perfeto boomer humor. I don't really know anyway, The aid
is pretty. It was filmed in New Zealand. That's why
Brad was here, so you got that lovely South Island view.
Behind Brad, they're trying to sell the you one touch
espresso machine which costs wait for it, one eight hundred dollars,
one eight hundred dollars. But it was on Oprah's Favorite
Things in twenty twenty four, so it must be worth it.

(01:20:41):
And if there are two people we trust here, it's
Brad Pitt and Oprah. Am I right, No, I'm not right,
never mind moving on. One third of us are using
AI to invest. Just sounds like fantastic, great idea. Ask
chet GPT you where to put your money? Can't possibly
go wrong for you. Let's talk about that next.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.
The Business Hour with Hender dup c Allen and Mas
for insurance Investments and Hui Safer and you're in good hands.
News talks that'd be wed.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
Why do you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Lie?

Speaker 8 (01:21:40):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Gavin Gray is going to be with us? Actually I lie.
I just told you an outright lie. It's into Brady
Into Brady is going to be with us in about
ten minutes time out of the UK.

Speaker 8 (01:21:49):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
It is twenty four away from seven now fascinating insight
into how we're using AI when it comes to our investments.
A new survey has found more than one third of
key we investors use AI to make investment decisions, and
as you might expect, it's more popular with younger people,
so people between the ages of eighteen and twenty nine,
sixty four percent of them use AI for their investments.

(01:22:10):
Amir Ganda is the Reporting and Assurance leader at Chanted Accountants,
New Zealand and with us Hello, Amir.

Speaker 23 (01:22:15):
Kira, how are you well?

Speaker 8 (01:22:17):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Is this wise?

Speaker 8 (01:22:20):
Well?

Speaker 23 (01:22:21):
There are multiple sides, so this certainly it's the most
interesting thing I think coming out of our Investor Confidence
survey this year, that so many kiwis are turning to
AI in their investment decisions, and many are finding that
it's working really well for them. They're finding that it
provided information quickly, explanations were clear, and the responses helped

(01:22:45):
them make decisions. But others lack trust. They found that
it didn't provide new information or in fact found errors
and misinformation. And I guess what it comes back to
is making sure that what you are use to make
decisions is reliable. And this is a matter of garbage
in garbage out. So if you AI works best where

(01:23:08):
you have an audited underlying, independent data set and you're
using the AI, understand its limits and within the robust
regulatory framework there that's designed to protect investors.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
I mean, I'm guessing that these people are asking something
a little bit more complicated then simply where should I
put my money on the exets?

Speaker 8 (01:23:33):
Yeah, you'd think so.

Speaker 23 (01:23:35):
And what they're using is other household names chat, GPT, Copilot,
deep Seek for example. Those are the top three and
AI as opposed to more sophisticated investment specific tools. But
AI can help investors to, for example, digest very large

(01:23:57):
amounts of information. And if there's one place that we
do tend to create that kind of information, it's in
investments and markets, financial information, all sorts of things, and
so it's helping them to get across information high identify
the key points. But of course the old truisms are

(01:24:20):
as true here as anywhere else. You need to validate
what's coming out of it out of these tools before
making decisions, go back to the source documentation. And it's
why investors in this survey say that eighty eight percent
of them so they trust audited financial statements and orders
are still that critical human element so that they can

(01:24:44):
rely on the information they're using. But certainly it's providing
lots of different useful purposes, also identifying opportunities, and that's
how also international institutional investors are using AI.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
I noticed also that about eleven percent of respondents reckon
domestic political unrest is the biggest risk to the New
Zealand economy. What do you think that mean by domestic
political unrest?

Speaker 23 (01:25:12):
Well, certainly the highest concern in this year's survey when
it comes to the New Zealand economy was inflation twenty
five percent, although that's come back and what has increased
a lot is twenty up to that's twenty five percent
of investors saw that as the biggest risk. Twenty three

(01:25:34):
percent pointed to the global political landscape, and that's really
I think the real story in terms of what's making
investors nervous. That's way up from seventeen percent in the prey.
Of course, when we have trade discussions coming on the
agenda that haven't been relevant for decades, you've got tariff talk,
you've got conflicts in parts of the world, and so

(01:25:58):
that's why investors in according to this survey had a
lot more trust in the New Zealand market and companies
than they do in overseas markets. The finding that certainly
the fourth highest was the domestic political landscape, which is

(01:26:19):
not necessarily political unrest, but that that really comes back to,
you know, looking at politics, which is it's pretty much
always a factor for investors when they're thinking about what
might be coming up in the economy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
Thank you very much for me, that's fascinating stuff. Amir
Gander reporting an assurance leader Chartered Accountants, New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Forgive do for c Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Just an update on the Indian FTA. The Indian minister
who's overseeing trade talks with New Zealand is feeling pretty
confident about how things are going. He's told Indian media
that are packed with New Zealand is going to be
signed within two months. Which stop before you get too excited,
because Todd McLay, who's our minister, is opposing. His counterpart
is not quite as excited. He says, good news for

(01:27:07):
our negotiators that India is so positive but has declined
to commit to the two month time frame. However, we
will take India's commitment to it will take it, which
probably have to just calm the farm slightly. Now, anyone
going to Snoop Dog in about eleven days will have
seen the news that popped up in the media this
afternoon and probably thought, oh Lord, here we go. There

(01:27:31):
has been ongoing media coverage for some time of an
entertainment industry figure who's been accused of a number of
sexual assaults against multiple women. Was taken to court in
twenty twenty three, found not guilty of a whole bunch
of charges, but was found guilty of two charges involving
one complainant, and then sentenced to twelve months home d
That person has just been revealed to be the concert

(01:27:54):
promoter one Peto Alvarez, who will be known to listeners
of the show because Pato is in my sights already,
because Peto is the person who was in charge of
Juicy Fest. And Peto also did timeless summer tours tour
I don't know whatever, it was, a crap name anyway,

(01:28:15):
And the people who bought tickets to these various festivals
to festivals never experienced the joy of that festival because
Pato canceled the festivals, and then Peto did not give
them their money back, did he? So I already felt
a little bit like, oh, oh about Snoop Dogg, because
Pato's running Snoop dog as well in eleven days, and

(01:28:37):
I'm supposed to be going to that, and I'm well
aware that on the scale of things that Pato has done,
according to what we've just discovered today, my gripe against
my potential gripe against Pato is on very much on
the low side, because there are some people who appear
to have There is a person who appears to have
suffered at as hands and we've now found that out.

(01:28:57):
But I just I don't know. I'm feeling just a
little bit like I just don't know how this is
going to go down, having Peto organizing Snoop do you.

Speaker 8 (01:29:07):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
Like nothing is My friend said to me today, she said, no,
I don't worry about it because this is before we
knew that he was this guy who's just been unmasked.
So I called her and I was like, oh, I'm
not feeling good about Snoop Dogg. She said, nah, no,
n see, they put the money in trust so that
he can't he can't do the thing again. And I
was like, oh, that's good to know, okay, but now
he did something else tone that we found out about anyway,

(01:29:28):
remember that name. Peto Alvarez's cropping up a lot lately.
Seventeen away from seven en.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Croaging the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
It's hither to the sea, Allen with the business hour
and mass for insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Investments and Kili Saber. You're in good hands, news.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
Dog said be He is fourteen away from seven.

Speaker 23 (01:29:47):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
The Economists has done a fantastic piece on what women
are writing songs about now, not just any random not
just women like me and the German, you know, like
random people writing songs, like actual songwriting women. The theme
has changed and you might be surprised at what it's
changed to. So stand by, I'm gonna run you through that.
In the Brady UK corresponding with us.

Speaker 24 (01:30:05):
Now, Hello Ininda, Hello Heather, great to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
So Harry's landed back on home soil. But is he
going to see the family In a.

Speaker 24 (01:30:13):
Word, no, he landed yesterday. He went immediately to see
his late grandmother's grave and pay his respects on the
week of her anniversary. Three years she's been gone, And
would you believe it. While he was in Windsor at
Saint George's Chapel, seven miles away, William was attending a
women's institute function with the Princess of Wales in Sunningdale.

(01:30:36):
So the two brothers were within seven miles of each
other yesterday and there was no communication whatsoever. And everything
we're reading in the papers this morning, it's highly unlikely
he will be seeing his dad either. So he cuts
a bit of a lonely figure here, Harry when he
comes home. He's back in the UK for four days.

(01:30:56):
To give him his credit, he attended the well Child
Awards event last night and he did manage to crack
a bit of a gag at his brother's expense. I
thought he was presenting an award and he said to
this little boy, these are gravely ill children. He said
to this little boy, tell me about your family, if
you got any siblings. And the little boy said, yes,
I have a brother. And Harry said, quick as a flash,

(01:31:19):
does he drive you mad?

Speaker 8 (01:31:21):
And that got a laugh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
That's right, most of them do that. To be fair. Now,
who are the tick bros who are coming with Trump?

Speaker 24 (01:31:29):
So the boss of Nvideo will be here next week
Sam Altman, the boss of Open AI, and there's also
an invite for Tim Cook, the chief executive Apple. So
President Trump is arriving next week. We knew there'd be
an entourage of security and family and everyone else for
this unprecedented second state visit, but it turns out he's

(01:31:49):
bringing tech bros with him as well. So clearly the
Americans field there are opportunities in the UK sector.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
Now you need to run me through what Boris has
got up to here.

Speaker 24 (01:32:01):
So this is very interesting. Someone has got hold of
his email account. It's an American company that archives leaked
and hacked emails and lo and behold, they've got into
Boris's inbox and they've handed the lot of it over
to the Guardian newspaper. Now, Boris Johnson has not commented
on what's being reported today. He has not responded whatsoever.

(01:32:23):
But the allegation is that he has been using political
contacts gleaned from his time in Downing Street to fund
his lifestyle afterwards. So there's a couple of jaw dropping
financial figures to run you through. In the space of
just under two years since leaving Downing Street, he has
earned in excess of ten million enz dollars for thirty

(01:32:45):
four speeches. That's very very good money. There's also a
claim that that time he flew to Venezuela to meet
President Maduro and said that he hadn't been paid for it.
There is a claim that he was seeing somewhere in
the region of four hundred and eighty thousand and z
dollars paid via an intermediary for a forty five minute

(01:33:06):
meeting with President Maduro of Venezuela. So he's been a
busy boy, has Boris if these emails are to be believed,
and a very lucrative situation at.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
That, what's the end Like, what's the endpoint here for him?

Speaker 24 (01:33:23):
I think, like every ex prime minister, it's monetizing your
political capital and your worth. Cameron does it reasonably quietly
from his corner of Oxfordshire and Boris Johnson, Well, he's
certainly been making money while while hey, while the sun
has shined.

Speaker 8 (01:33:40):
I don't.

Speaker 24 (01:33:40):
I live just up the road from him. I never
see him around, but it's clear he's very busy keeping
himself active and the money is flowing in. But like
there's talk of him and Reform getting together and could
he be the poster boy of the next election campaign.
I can't see it. I think he's a busted flush
and when most people are struggling to pay bills, here
hearing the Baris Johnson has creamed off ten million dollars. Okay,

(01:34:02):
he's earned this, he's delivered the speeches.

Speaker 8 (01:34:04):
Boss.

Speaker 24 (01:34:05):
Ten million dollars for a few dozen speeches. It's staggering money.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
It's huge. It's massive. Hey, Inda, thank you, appreciate it.
Into Brady UK, correspondent. Okay, here we go. So, you know,
in the old days, when I say the old days,
I mean the nineteen sixties, women would write songs. I'm
thinking of Joni Mitchell would wrote write songs about you know,
her personal experiences. You'd have carl Simon. Yeah, I got
a name, right, Carlie Simon. You know you're so vain

(01:34:31):
writing songs about annoying men. You'd have very women in
the ages have written in sung songs about wonderful love affairs.
What are women writing about?

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Stand by and I'm gonna tell you after the break
nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
It's the Heather Tioplasty Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZEBBI.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Here's the answer to the question six away from seven.
Here's the answer to the question. Female pop stars nowadays
are singing about mediocre men. Examples Manchild by Sabrina Carpenter.
She basically sings about men who barely do the dishes
or assemble a chair from ikea. She also sings in
Sugar Talking, another song about how he has very big

(01:35:13):
epiphanies for a really small mind. There's Slim Pickings where
she complains that the man doesn't even know the difference
between there isn't over there and that's their chair and
they are, Oh my gosh, that man would die. Chapel
Rohan is doing it, Perry is doing it, du A
Lipa is doing it, et cetera, et cetera. So what
the economist says in is this current wave of songs

(01:35:36):
reflects a social shift. Women in the rich world are
enjoying more economic power, meaning they can be choosier about
their partners. Many are willing to hold out for someone
who will do the washing up and put the toilet
seat down. According to the Pew Research Center, thirty five
percent of American women aged between twenty five and fifty
four we're single. In twenty twenty three. That's up from

(01:35:57):
twenty nine percent so nine percent and nineteen ninety up
to thirty five percent in twenty twenty three. Across many
measures from education to politics, young men and women are
drifting apart nearly sixty percent of American university graduates of women,
Given that most women prefer not to date or married
down a married down men, for many, it can be

(01:36:17):
as Miss Carpenter says slim pickings, men are pushing back.
It has been pointed out that Morgan Wollen, the country singer, says,
if I'm so awful, then why do you stick around
so long? And Boy Morgan, don't push a mate, don't
be asking that question too many times because you might
find that you just push her out the door. I
think they're onto something, though, I do think they're onto something.
I think the economic independence that women has gotten have

(01:36:40):
got nowadays is causing them to just be a little
bit like you know, you can pick up your own clothes.

Speaker 23 (01:36:48):
Let be.

Speaker 8 (01:36:50):
There.

Speaker 21 (01:36:51):
It is manchild.

Speaker 22 (01:36:53):
Do you recognizer?

Speaker 8 (01:36:55):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Yes, I didn't recognize it when Sam, the other producer
of the the third of the trifecta, sang it at
me because it was like man child.

Speaker 21 (01:37:04):
I thought it was a perfect rendition.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Did you Yeah, yeah, I thought I thought. I thought
he's done better versions of songs. But look, it's hard.
It's it's quite a hard. Little like ditty to nail
with your voice, I think, don't you think it would be?

Speaker 8 (01:37:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
It's also when a man child sings manchild, there's an
irony in it. Just joking, just joking. Lord, I'm in
big trouble. He's gonna set me up. Okay, listen, see
you later, be with you tomorrow, and enjoy your evening
after I've put all of this trouble into your marriage.
Right now, News Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive. Listen live to
News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
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