Full Show Podcast: 10 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Ory.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duper c Ellen Drive with
one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
I'd be good afternoon seven after four, great to have
your company. Is it morally bankrupt for taxpayers to pull
out of covering storm damaged homes? We look at that
as our lead interview. After five this evening co management
or co governance over water? And that's after five to two.
New Zealand's most expensive ball razor joins me ahead of

(00:34):
battle in Wellington. And what's happening with Women's Weekly and
the Listener and a bunch of other magazines that you
might enjoy reading in the doctor's office while you wait
to see the GP. I'll tell you throughout the program.
Just gone seven after four, Bryan Bridge. Well, Winston's done
it again, hasn't he? The old political workhorse of the
Pacific just keeps on getting more popular. New Zealand first

(00:57):
has overtaken Act in the latest taxpayers union curier part.
It's now the third most popular party in New Zealand.
Well done, Winston Peters. I'll give you a breakdown of
the numbers shortly but this has got to.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Be a little bit ego bruising for David seamwol, doesn't it.
You know, just got his feet under the deputy's desk
and he's been overtaken in the polls by the bloke
that he's just replaced.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Not that simply being Deputy Prime Minister gets you votes.
But he's trying to make a good fist of it
as old Seymour, you know, holding press conferences left right
in the center, more stand ups than you can shake
a stick at. Yesterday he's had a stand up about
the OCR, no change to the OCR. But David Siemil's
out there for a stand up anyway. Today is stand
up on stats n's ed numbers. He's doing the business.

(01:42):
Luxon's overseas on holiday of course, Winston, where is Winston
while everybody else is on holiday or doing stand ups
about no movement in the OCR. Winston's at the East
Asia Summit Foreign Ministers meeting in Kuala Lumpur. He's negotiating
a classified information share agreement with Japan. Seymour's been bogged down,

(02:03):
of course with the regulatory standards built, which I know
is popular with some people. But the headline I'm just
talking in terms of media coverage. He's been bogged down
by it. The treaty bill bogged down by it. The
school lunch is bogged down by it. Winston's been flying
around the world keeping us in line with China, staving
off Trump's tariffs, all while celebrating his eightieth birthday. And

(02:26):
you know, he puts out the odd blip here and
there in terms of his media engagements. He's put out
some kind of weird members bills. He put one out
the other day about wanting to keep cash in circulation.
But Winston is popular because he speaks his mind and
he knows what he's talking about. He commands respect when
he speaks, people listen. He's a good example of a

(02:49):
man who keeps it simple. Do your job and do
it well, work hard, and stay focused. It's a pretty
simple formula that's seen him through the last forty plus
year in politics, and one that on these numbers will
see him through at least a couple more yet.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Bryan Bridge just.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Gone ten after four News Talk VB nine two ninety
two is the number to text. We'd love to get
your feedback on this this afternoon, now, Doc, they might
be doing a bit of a U turn. This is
the case of the lizards and the mine in Otago.
So initially they denied the mining company Oceania Gold, permission
to clear grass and vegetation. Off their mind. This was
over the concern about the lizard relocation plan. But Ruth

(03:32):
Isaac from DOC has gotten in touch with us says
there was a miscommunication and the Department will now work
closely with Oceania Gold to quote swiftly progress their application.
Resources Minister and Martyr of Mining Shane Jones said this
morning that he felt concerns were a bit overblown about
these ten thousand lizards.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
These lizards are as common as acne on a teenager.
That's first. Then secondly they are scattered throughout the entirety.
Although tiger every time a farmer does something on his
or her land, they don't need a special wildlife permit.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
So Nikola Tokey is Forest and Bird Chief Executive with me. Now,
Hi nikolayday, Ryan, how are you good? Thank you? It
sounds like DOC might be changing their minds a little bit.
Here A hard to.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
Say at this way. What they're saying from what I
get is that they're looking for further information. But I
just wonder whether we, you know, should just focus on
facts not feelings.

Speaker 7 (04:33):
And I worry.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
I guess I'm a little bit worried about Shane Jones.
He seems rather fixcated on small reptiles at the moment
in this country. But yeah, this is about a business
needing to follow due process in order to carry out
their works, much like many of your business owner listeners
will have to do in their daily lives. And they
didn't have the right information to the table, and as

(04:57):
such the department was unable to progress what they wanted
to do at that point.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
What is it about so clearing some vegetation? Could it
really kill ten thousand lizards? Or is that overblown?

Speaker 8 (05:08):
No?

Speaker 6 (05:08):
So the issue here is in New Zealand. And you know,
we often talk about New Zealand being called, you know,
being the Land of birds. Probably more accurately we could
be and should be known as the land of lizards.
So we have well over one hundred species of lizard,
either geckos or skinks found here in New Zealand, found
nowhere else in the world. Right, So once you destroy
a habitat that these things live in, there's nowhere else

(05:32):
you can replace them from. And I wonder Ryan whether
if they were in fact cuckapool or somehow heicct of
dolphins ministry evolved to live in a tussock landscape, we'd
even be having this conversation. And what we see repeatedly
from Shane Jones, for example, is this kind of constantling.
And he loves it, right, he loves all that shtick.

(05:53):
And I think New Zealanders are getting bad over it
because most New Zealanders care very much about threatened species
in our native wildlife here in New Zealand, and except
that they're protected through the regulations that we have in place.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Are the lizards we're talking about endangered?

Speaker 6 (06:09):
So all of New Zealand lizard species are threatened in
some way, shape or form because mostly because of the
cumulative impact of the or of the various threats that
they have. Right, So, if they're not getting eaten by
cats and hedgehogs and then the habitats getting destroyed by mining companies,
et cetera.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
So what's the difference between threatened and endangered? Because I
asked are they endangered? And you said they're threatened?

Speaker 6 (06:33):
Well, so in New Zealand we have a threat classification list,
and there are a number of categories on that list, right,
and if you are in the worst category, like for example,
a carcuple or a Hector's dolphin, then you sit within
the nationally critical. If you are just the next least worse,
you are naturally endangered, and on and on it goes.

(06:53):
What politicians and decision make is sometimes.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
To realize, so threatened not as bad as endangered. So
there's threason, but not endangered.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
I've discussed no, no, no, no, it's not quite right,
and it sounds complex, but it's not.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
So.

Speaker 6 (07:08):
New Zealand has the highest proportion of threatened species on
the planet right, which is kind of embarrassing because we
love to be number one in the world. This is
kind of a dubius honor. And it costs more to
protect species that are more threatened or more endangered, because
you have to put so much effort into protecting them
before they once they've fallen off the cliff.

Speaker 9 (07:27):
If you like.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
And what happens if they do fall off the cliff?
Does the world end?

Speaker 6 (07:32):
I think part of our identity and how we describe
ourselves to the world ends. We also have international and
national legislative requirements that you know New Zealanders very much
here about this stuff.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, but does the ecosystem fall apart?

Speaker 6 (07:47):
Yeah, So every time you pull a species or remove
a species from an ecosystem, the resilience of that ecosystem
gets less and less. It's like taking instruments out of
an orchestra, right, and ultimately the resilience of that ecosystem
and and the fragile nature of it threatens us. So
it's really important we have reconsibility.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Just clearing the vegetation, won't the lizards just move to
the next but of grass?

Speaker 6 (08:15):
I mean, that's very much sounds like Luke Clark and
Door's sketch about the the boat with the with the
oil leak, that they're just going to tow it out
of the environment. These these these things they can move
millions of years to exist in the various habitats and
niches that they've found. But look, I do want to
get to the facts here, because what's happened with Minister Jones.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
And Nick I'm just I'm just wanting to I'm genuinely
trying to get my head about it. Cat can they
not just move to the next paddock?

Speaker 6 (08:46):
It's not that simple, Ryan, because these things have to
be protected well because in the next paddock there may
well be cats and hedgehogs, or that you know it
might not have.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
There are no cats and hedgehogs in this in this
in this area.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
It's not serving your listener as well to simplify an
issue as complex as New Zealand's ecology that defines the fill.
But why I do want to combat business.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
I'm a simple persons. I'm just trying to get a
simple answer, That's all it is.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
Okay, Well, simply put the the using their lizards in
this case, or the moths or at one point, I
think miniter Jones was blaming eye consultation as a distraction
for what the real issue is here. So this is
a business, right. This is a company that has had
their their application recommended for decline by the Attager Regional Council,
initially declined by dog. It's had two separate audits to

(09:39):
look into the fact that they repeatedly breach their resource
consent requirements. And the reason that you know anybody is
putting this kind of business at risk is not the
lizards skittering around the landscape. It's a bad business with
bad business practice that answered filling their normal requirements.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Nichola, we have to deliver it. They appreciate you coming
on the show. Toky Forest and Bird Chief Executive, nineteen
ninety two. The number to text sixteen after four News
Talk SIBB, Sport Darcy.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Next, it's the Heather du Bussy Allen Drive Full Show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered My News Talks EBB.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
News Talks VB. It is nineteen minutes after four. Jeez,
people have gone crazy on the text machine, which is
great because it's good to hear from you. Steve says,
Has this lady spoken to New Zealander is about what
their true feelings are. New Zealanders want jobs and they
want incomes to support their families, not the good feeling
that you might get the warm fuzzies from knowing there's

(10:36):
a lizard out there in the field that you've never met.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Ryan.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Most New Zealander is a sick and tired of greenies
and forested bird people stopping any sort of progress and
costing us a fortune, says Lance, nineteen ninety two. The
numbers text it's four twenty and Elliott Smith is here
for sports talk. Hey Elliott, Hey, Ron All Blacks team.
But the second France Test has been named.

Speaker 10 (10:56):
It has indeed three changes and also those in reinforce
and fat all of them injury and fallster no captain
Scott Barrett this week, which we were aware of. Patrick
Tupalotu comes into the second row, which is a fairly
straightforward sort of swap for the All Blacks. I mean
they've got no other locks in the squads of the
kind have had to put him into the second rogue.
They've kept Tuopov at blindside flanker and Billy Proctor at center.

(11:19):
Some of those experiments I guess you could call them
that they tried out in that first test. Inderneed and
the other change to the starting side comes in the
back line, Riko Joanni coming onto the right wing. He
actual hasn't started there in a game in six years,
but he's going to wear the fourteen jumper. Caleb Clark
in on the left as the All Blacks try and
combat this French aerial assault we saw under the roof

(11:40):
at Fullsyth Bar Stadium last week. And the other changer
on the bench to Marthy Tavatava Nawai the Highlanders and
Tasman midfielder coming in for a probable debut off the
bench in Jersey twenty two had an outstanding super Ruge
B season, very very impressive on both sides of the ball,
destructive ball runner very very good and two the ballover

(12:00):
as well. So looking forward to seeing how he goes
on the weekend. But Scott Robertson otherwise Ryan resisting any
temptation to make wholesale changes as they prepare to try
and wrap up the series on Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Hey Red Bull, waving goodbye to Christian Horner. I saw
him give quite He got quite emotional in his farewell
speech to the crew today. He did get very emotional. Look.

Speaker 10 (12:20):
He's been at this team essentially since they became a
full IF one team, so twenty years well, eight drivers
World Championships, six constructors Championships, more than one hundred rays wins.
He's been very, very successful. But it hasn't always been
the happiest of relationships with the Red Bull bosses and
also his driver Max Verth Stappen and Max vath Stappin's father,

(12:41):
Yosva Stappen. It's been a little bit fraction at time.
You remember that story about a year ago that he
was doing a few dodgy things around text and Christian
Horner didn't come to anything. But it feels like this
has been coming to a head for a while. The
results haven't been coming for red bull Racing this year.
Max withth Stappin, has an outclause in his contract and
it feel like rebulls gone. You know, Christian Horner, you're expendable.

(13:03):
Max with staff and world champion, you are not. We
want to keep Max rather than let go to another team.
And Christian horners out there, although he's still under contract
until twenty thirty, so they're either going to have to
pay them out or figure out some background roll, maybe
selling redball or something like that for the next few years.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Elliot appreciate your time. Elliott's Smith, a sports talk host
seven o'clock tonight on News Talks. There be twenty two
minutes after four Ryan, is everything in New Zealand threatened
a threatened species because we're on islands and we have
separate species or different species to elsewhere in the world.
It's a good point. Actually, do you know what would
actually be easier and what I think forest and bird
would appreciate is if we just all up and left,

(13:40):
If we followed our fair feathered friends and left for
Australia and just left New Zealand to the lizards and
to the birds. They have a field day. There'd be
no problems with there. Twenty three minutes after four news
talks here.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Big getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Ryan Bridge
on hither dup see Allen Drive with one news. Let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
That'd be over in Australia. Albanese he just gone. Twenty
six minutes after four Albanize has come out swinging against
the ABC and we will get to our Australia correspondent
after the news. At four thirty, I said I would
give you the Taxpayers Union Caurier poll numbers for July,
and I will do that now. National up point four
to thirty three point nine, Labor thirty one point six.
They are down three point two. New Zealand First is

(14:25):
up three point seven to nine point eight percent. That
makes him the third most popular party and they've overtaken
the ACT Party the Greens nine point four up one
point two. Act nine point one no change, so basically
sent to right gets sixty five seats. That's up three.
Center Left down three to fifty seven. What does that mean.
It means you got your NETS Act New Zealand first

(14:47):
across the line. Still need all three parties though, don't
they An option for two hasn't even really come close,
has it yet. NATS just aren't really pulling away in
those you know when Key was in power and the
crowds they'd pull in from diverse corners of the country.
Just not really happening for the NATS at the moment.
So it's a three way deal. As we sit here today,

(15:09):
we've got some stats scenes and immigration numbers and some
tourism numbers too. We'll get to those a little later on,
but after the News at four thirty, we'll get to
our Australia correspondent and then to Jason Walls in Parliament
here on news Talk Set B.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Excuse for pudding the challenging questions to the people at
the heart of the story. It's Ryan Bridge on Hither
du forsy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get
connected news Talk set B.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Twenty five away from five News Talks. They'd be coming
up the five. Jonathan Boston. This is the guy who
says it's morally bankrupt for the government not to boil
out your house if there's storm damage, even though we
give you a twenty year window. We'll talk to Tanya
Tapsil that otta do a mayor. Is it co government
or co management of the water there and Scott Robinson
Allback's coaches with me ahead of the test in Wellington

(16:19):
this weekend. Lots to come on the program. Lots of
your texts to get through as well. First though it's
world wires.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
It's the world wires on news dogs, they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
So Trump is threatening Brazil with a fifty percent tariff
on all imports. This, he says President Lula is on
a witch hunt against the former president Bolsonaro. Brazil has
a significant trade relationship with the US.

Speaker 11 (16:42):
I will say for Brazil, they're in our top twenty
trading partners.

Speaker 6 (16:45):
They're about eighteenth or sebast on the Leaders data.

Speaker 12 (16:48):
About one point three percent of all US imports come
in from Brazil.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
More attacks from the hooties, no stopping these guys. They've
targeted cargo ship in the Red Sea, killing at least
three crew members. Six of the twenty five crew members
have been rescued so far.

Speaker 8 (17:01):
Yes, who's clearly back as a maritime straight actor. Right
then they never stopped attacking Israel. So despite all this
talk about the ceaspay over the US, the attacks on
Israel continued.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
And finally a Frenchman has taken the world record for
farther's distance driven on a motorcycle while on fire. Jason
Vera aka Joe Ignition took a bike, sorry, took his
bike for a fourteen hundred and fifty foot drive about
four hundred and fifty meters. Not only was his suit fireproof,

(17:37):
but he also had to fireproof his bike to pull
off the stunt.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business going to drive.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Australia correspondents Jake Patrick six PR PERS Live News Director.
Hey Jake, good afternoon, Ryan. How are you very well?
Thank you now? ORCUS subs more expensive thanks to Donald Trump.

Speaker 13 (18:01):
Yeah, So this orcust packed which involves Australia, the US
and the UK. It's three hundred and sixty eight billion
dollars worth. And now the Trump administration has reportedly done
a probe and they're considering changes to the agreement and
they're pushing for the alban Easy government to increase its
defense spending two three and a half percent, which is

(18:23):
a lot of money considering it's a three hundred and
sixty eight billion dollar pack. So that's led to the
Greens over here, in particular Senator Nick McKinney saying it's
time to cut our losses. Well, defense experts believe Australia
would be better off in any putting extra money towards
local manufacturing in that sector, not aucust So a bit

(18:44):
to play out there.

Speaker 14 (18:45):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Absolutely, Telstra is going to be cutting some jobs there, Jake.

Speaker 13 (18:49):
Yeah, You've got to feel for the work is at
Telstra at the moment. This comes just weeks after CEO
Vicky Brady laid out a new five year strategy and
that's been designed to increase the reliance on artificial intelligence,
and staff members only received a message yesterday warning of
the upcoming redundancies, but a spokesperson for Telstra has told

(19:10):
us today that the changes were not as a result
of the planned AI adoption. But Telstra did last year
sack nearly three thousand workers from the major telco in
a move that they say would save them three hundred
and fifty million dollars.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Ban for a state of Origin can thrower. What's this about, yees?

Speaker 13 (19:31):
So it's been a bad week for sports fans behaving
badly on this side of the Tasman. Earlier this week
we found out the Carlton football coach Michael Voss received
a death threat after his side's tenth loss of the
season last weekend, and last night we saw after the
State of Origin decided New South Wales and Roosters star

(19:52):
Connor Watson narrowly avoid copying at tin of Canadian Club
to the head. It was thrown from the top tier
of the grand stand. He was shaking hands with another
punter in the stands when the tin was thrown and
it hit a spectator just below his neck. So stadium
security of past the matter on to New South Wales
police and they're calling for a life ban for this

(20:14):
clown that threw a full can of alcohol at a
rugby league star.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
That's terrible. How did they get them in the stadium?
Are they allowed cans full cans there?

Speaker 9 (20:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (20:25):
So some stadiums allow it. I know the mcg and
in Melbourne you can buy cans of alcohol. And I
haven't been to a core stadium over there. In New
South Wales where the Olympics were held in two thousand.
But yeah, and particularly in some corporate areas, you able
to get cans and bottles as well, so it looks

(20:47):
to be that's where it sort of come from. So yeah,
pretty nasty.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Just because your corporate doesn't mean you're classy. Thanks exactly.
Jake Betric six pr Perth news director with US just
gone twenty away from Bridge now Albaniz. He was asked
if he believes the anti Israel and have had all
these protests over in particularly in Victoria, anti Israel protests
or pro Palestine protest whate you. He was asked, are

(21:11):
they fueling anti Jewish attacks and we've seen those on
restaurants in the last couple of weeks. He said, you
should be able to express your view, whatever your view
is in Australia. But quote where the line has been
crossed is in blaming and identifying people because they happened
to be Jewish.

Speaker 15 (21:28):
I saw on the ABC the other night a woman
who participated in the trashing and violence that occurred at
the restaurant in Melbourne justifying that, justifying it. There is

(21:49):
no justification for that whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
He didn't stop there, he went.

Speaker 15 (21:54):
On the idea that somehow the cause of justice four
Palestinians is advanced by behavior like that is not only delusional,
it is destructive and it is not consistent with how

(22:17):
you are able to put forward your views respectfully in
a democracy.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
And it's so very fired up. Anthony Alberizi across the Testament.
Just gone nineteen away from five year on News Talk
ZIB and we'll get to Jason Walls out of Parliament.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
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Speaker 3 (22:36):
Good afternoon, sixteen away from five News Talks. There b
Jason Walls, our political editor joins us. Now, Hey Jason,
good afternoon, Rayan, Hey, great news for Winston in this poll.

Speaker 16 (22:45):
Yeah, it was indeed. So I looked at it when
it came through and I thought, this is the good,
the bad, and the ugly across New Zealand's political spectrum.
Let's start with the ugly.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Labor.

Speaker 16 (22:54):
We're down three point two percentage points to thirty one
point six percent. It's quite a hit, although not altogether
that surprising. As apart from maybe having a crack at
endz Ata me and its owners Labor and Chris Hopkins
have not really featured in the news a whole lot
since this poll was conducted. In terms of the other
left leaning parties, the Greens are up one point two

(23:16):
points to nine point four. TI Party Marti pretty steady
on three point five, so not enough seats to form
a government, not by a long way at this stage.
Now moving to the bad despite Labour's vote taking quite
a hit, Chris Luxen's only zero point one percentage points
higher than Chris Luxen. When it comes to the preferred

(23:36):
prime minister rankings, Luckson is now on nineteen point seven,
which is continuing quite a major downhill trend. When it
comes to this preferred prime minister polling numbers, he was
on thirty five percent on that same on that same
figure this time last year on preferred prime minister. He
will tell you, and I guess it's true that it's
not about the personal popularity of a prime minister. It's

(23:59):
about the party self and where it's polling. But those
numbers do probably have to hurt when you're looking at them.
I can't imagine if I was the prime minister looking
at my number tanking that much, I would be very
happy or complacent. Then we come to the good or
as I would argue, the great even fantastic. As you
pointed out, New Zealand First Winston and his troops are
up to nine point eight. That's a massive three point

(24:21):
seven percentage point gain according to the last poll. It's huge,
huge moves for such a minor party. And get this,
it's actually the first time in the polls almost half
a decade history, that New Zealand First has been polling
higher than the act Party. Now, we did talk to
David Seymour, acting Prime Minister earlier today and he was
I'm not going to say, feeling a little bit bitter

(24:43):
about it.

Speaker 17 (24:43):
Well, we're always happy for our friends around the world
and are up and down the country to succeed. I
note that I haven't been asked that question for the
last thirty or forty poles, but you know, we'll see
where the.

Speaker 16 (24:55):
Next thirty or forty poles. Not that anyone's counting David.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Sometimes I think he comes across a little tooth thin skinned. Yeah, hey,
you know the major voting issues. This was interesting from
this pul So. Of the top five voting issues for people,
I mean, you take health out, they are the four
are all economy related poverty, employment, economy, and cost of living.
That's what's hurting well any incumbent. Really those issues are

(25:22):
crucial for people right now, aren't they. Yeah.

Speaker 16 (25:24):
I mean, you'll just have to look at cost of
living up there as twenty one point six percent in
terms of the major issues that people say are the
major issues in the economy. So that's why you've got
people like Nikola Willis saying that she's gonna sit down
with Fonterra and talk about the price of butter and
milk and things like that. They need to be seen
to be doing something even though people are still hurting.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Because otherwise they're leaving. Yeah, they're leaving.

Speaker 16 (25:46):
We had the migration statistics out today showing that netmull
migration has moved quite a lot in the past twelve months.
In the twelve months to May this year, there were
one hundred and thirty nine thousand migrants who arrived, that
is from one hundred ninety one hundred and eighty nine
thousand in the previous twelve months. Meanwhile, the people departing
was one hundred and twenty four thousand, which was down

(26:07):
from one hundred and nine thousand a year prior, so
diving deeper into those numbers. We always want to compare
ourselves to the Aussies.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Right.

Speaker 16 (26:15):
The next migration loss consisted of forty seven thousand migrant
departures to Australia and seventeen thousand, three hundred migrant arrivals
from Australia, a net loss of about thirty thousand people
over to Australia. It's the biggest net net loss we've
seen since twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Labour's Meghan Woods says that.

Speaker 16 (26:32):
New Zealanders were leaving because of the cost of living
has gotten worse and they couldn't trust the government. But
David Seymour, as expected, disagrees with Meghan Woods's assessment.

Speaker 17 (26:41):
Here, there's no question that we are undertaking a tough
recovery from a very disruptive event, which was COVID inflation,
COVID interest rates and a recession that came from those
high interest rates. However, I'm not surprised that in the
year after the government changed, we still faced very tough conditions.

Speaker 16 (27:02):
So he goes on to make the point that the
data girls from January twenty twenty four to January this year,
so there is a fairly long lag period there, and
he blamed the last government for some of it, but
was actually putting a positive spin on Looking forward.

Speaker 17 (27:15):
I expect that as time goes on, as we maintain
really careful spending as a government, as interest rates come down,
rents get lower, mortgage rates are coming down, there's a
lot more reasons for people to stay in New Zealand.

Speaker 16 (27:28):
So he says things are coming back round.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, I think he's I think that's right and always
sort of has been. But it needs to happen by
the end of this year so that people feel it
by the start of next year so that they can
get themselves re elected. Thanks. Thanks Jason, good to have
you on Jason Wall's news talks. Heb political editor. Also
with those migration numbers, it could be a good thing.

(27:50):
Could be a good thing because you know, economy, it
means the economy is weak when people are leaving New Zealand,
especially when they're going to Australia, and when migrants don't
want to come and move here. This will help push
the ocr down. Fewer migrants, less pressure on inflation, so
we should get interest rates falling at the next August,
will have a movement. They reckon just gone eleven away

(28:11):
from five. You're on News Talk ZEBB seventeen. Remember that
went down over Europe. Moscow shot it down. That's what
we suspected. A court has made a ruling that next
putting the.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 18 (28:26):
Now, there's been another setback for the largest gold mine
in the country. After battling authorities over a native moth,
it's now been told no on expansion plans because of
the lizard. Chane Jones is the Minister for Resources and
with us. What's the deal with the lizards. Let's say
that they are right and we lose ten thousand lizards.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Are the lizards extinct?

Speaker 5 (28:43):
These lizards are as common as acne on a teenager.
They are scattered throughout the entirety of the targo. The
most important thing is does the public want Dobbs in otago?
I do the decision makers in this case? They have
just taken the public for a.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Rye duplus Yellen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast back tomorrow
at six am with the Landrover Discovery on News Talks MB.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
You're on News Talks IRB. It's seven minutes away from
five o'clock, we'll get to Razor Scott robertson All Blacks
coach just after five thirty this evening because they're obviously
going up against France again. Wellington have to win this one,
don't they. They nearly well, I mean they should have
been more dominant, you could say in the first test.
They weren't. So they really need to show them what's
what in Wellington. So he's on the program after five

(29:30):
thirty this evening. In Europe, now you remember MH seventeen.
This was before MH three sixty. Well, Europe's top human
rights court has in Strasbourg. This is the European Court
of Human Rights has found against Russia against Moscow, saying
that Moscow shot down flight MH seventeen, killing all passengers
that includes thirty eight Australians who were on board at

(29:51):
the time. It doesn't actually mean anything, it doesn't actually
change anything, but the court agreed with the evidence that
suggested that the missile had been in tensionally fired at
flight MH seventeen, most likely mistaken belief that it had
been a military aircraft. Basically, the Russians thought it was
someone else's military craft shot it down. It was a

(30:12):
passenger plane. It was not necessary for the court to
decide exactly who fired the missile since Russia was responsible
for the acts of the Russian armed forces and of
the armed separatists, so they didn't have to prove who
pulled the trigger, exactly, who did it, exactly what weapon,
just that it was the Russians there and they made
a mistake, so the fault was on them. Kremlin is

(30:34):
just ignoring this decision, and as I say, it's largely symbolic. Now,
this is a story we're talking about yesterday which I
just am endlessly fascinated by. I'm assuming people know who
Greg Wallace is. This is the Master Chef host on
the BBC. They play it on TV one here in
New Zealand. He's the bald guy with glasses from Master Chef.
UK had lots of complaints about his behavior, behaving in appropriately,

(31:00):
making crewe jokes, getting his genitals out in the wardrobe
in the makeup room so when people would come in
he would Anyway, he has come out with a new
excuse because there's an investigation and the results are coming
out this week. So brand new line of defense from
Greg Wallace friends have come out and said Greg Wallace

(31:20):
has autism and his autism is partly responsible for his
inappropriate behavior. The sixty year old's condition has allegedly caused
an inability to wear underwear because of his autistic hypersensitivity
to labels and tight clothing. They are literally arguing that
because he's autistic, he doesn't wear undies and when people

(31:43):
went into his makeup wardrobe, that's not his fault. But
at the same time, why are you not wearing pants?
You know, that doesn't explain the pants thing. So anyway,
he denies any wrongdoing in all of this. Still don't
understand the pants situation, but there will be a result
this week from the BBC's investigation into exactly what went

(32:03):
wrong there. The White Potata Trust. Everyone loves the White
Potata Trust updates, so they're going to the High Court.
Is you'll remember, the tax status was the big one
for White Patata and for John Tumaheady, because your tax
free status is gone if you lose your registration as
a charity. That's exactly what happened after The Herald found

(32:25):
that they'd advanced three hundred and eighty five thousand dollars
in donations to Tamahadi's Meryal campaign and remember that and
to Party Maldi's campaign in twenty twenty as well. So
that all goes down, then the Charities Registration board goes
we're going to cancel will deregister you as a charity.
That would hurt your charity status. So Tamahead is not
having that. He's taking this to the High Court and

(32:49):
is fighting that dear registration as we speak. So there
you go. That's the latest on one that it is
coming up to five o'clock on news Talk, said b
after five and Boston. This is the man who says
it's morally bankrupt for the state to just walk away
from people and their flood damaged homes. The state should

(33:10):
be providing cover for them in the event that the
worst happens. That debate next here on Newsbooks a peace.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Oh I get with my questions, answers, facts analysis, The
Drive show you trust for the full picture. Brian Bridge
on Heather Duplicy allan drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Good evening at a seven half to five. An expert
working group reckons the government should stop buyouts for homes
that are damaged by flooding or storms, and we've had
a few of those lately, haven't we. They reckon storms
could seriously damage four billion dollars worth of housing stock
over the next thirty years. Financially, UNSUCCA detainable to keep
treating the government as the defecto insurer, so we should

(34:04):
stop buying out people within twenty years. Not everyone agrees
with this. Victoria University Emeritus Professor Jonathan Boston with me tonight,
good evening, Good evening, Ryan, you have said this is
morally bankrupt. Why do you think that?

Speaker 19 (34:19):
Well, essentially because Ryan, with climate change, we are facing
unprecedented and growing risks. We're going to be faced with
significant accelerating sea level rise which is going to impact
coastal communities all around the world, and Sydney all around
New Zealand and will require large numbers of people to

(34:41):
be relocated. And the suggestion that such people should be
how can I put it, required to move independently and
using only their own resources, seems to me to be
ethically highly questionable, practically kind of irresponsible, and politically naive.

(35:07):
In a society which is interdependent, in which we have
whole communities which are going to have to move. We're
going to need very significant, integrated planning. We're going to
need proper relocation of infrastructure of all kinds, including social
infrastructure such as healthcare facilities and schools and so on,

(35:31):
and we can't do that in the kind of risk
environment we're going to be faced with if those who
do not have the means to move are not provided
with some assistance.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
The report does say it doesn't say no assistance. It
says the provision of hardship support should continue, but just
not be related to property values. In other words, we
won't buy you out for what your property was worth
pre storm.

Speaker 19 (36:02):
Yes, but the kind of hardship assistance I think it
has in mind is simply the sort of assistance you
might get from MSD to help cover your food costs
and maybe your rent. It isn't the kind of assistance
that would enable somebody whose property has become worthless and
who still has a mortgage to then go and purchase

(36:24):
another property, or if they've got a business, to move
that business to some other location. So, just putting things
from perspective, Ryan I was part of what was called
the Expert work in group on managed to treat a
group of thirteen people hired by the former Chief Justice
and then a former Justice of the Supreme Court, Sir

(36:44):
Terence Arnold. We produced a very very detailed report, probably
fifteen times longer than the one that this independent reference
group has produced, which recognized that the big question here
is what are the principles that should inform who pays
for what in a context where we are faced with unprecedented, unwanted,

(37:08):
often uninsurable risks. And we said there should be buyouts
of residential properties, but there should be a cap on
the total amount to make that affordable, but also that
we should only assist principal places of residents. We shouldn't
be buying out.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
And how much how much was that going to cost?

Speaker 19 (37:27):
Well, it's going to cost more and more over time,
so we don't.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Know exactly how much. I mean, it's great to have
a very long report, and it's great that you want
to give everybody money, but how much does it cost?
And can we afford it? And will bankrup the government
in the process.

Speaker 19 (37:40):
Well, first of all, we won't bankrupt the government. Ryan.
If the suggestion is that moving people out of harm's
way is going to be quote unaffordable, then I presume
it means it's unaffordable full stop, regardless of who's paying.
But that's not the case. We are unlikely to be

(38:01):
faced with a situation in which, if you like, civilization
completely breaks down and we have no capacity to move
people out of harm's way. So the question is, how
are we going to do that in a way that
is fair, cost effective, efficient, and so on, in the
kind of interdependent society that we have. So Ryan I,

(38:25):
I didn't say that we would buy everybody out. I
very explicitly said that the recommendations of the expert working
group that I was party two would involve caps on
the total amount of assistance, so we wouldn't be giving
multimillionaires millions of dollars for their lost mansions, and that
the eligibility would be tied to principal places of residence.

(38:47):
That is designed to ensure fairness, but also to ensure
that those who need assistance will be able to leave.
And we should recognize this is really critical.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
It is critical. It's all critical, and I appreciate you
coming on the program at Professor, but we do have
to leave it there. I'm afraid that is Victoria University
Emeritus professor Jonathan Boston, who has a lot to say
about this, which is fair. My advice is just don't
buy anything by the water. That's what I'm packing up.
Just don't buy house by the water. It's twelve minutes

(39:18):
after five News talks a big Ryan brig So do
we have a case of co governance on our hands?
That's what some are saying this time and ought to
do it. It's a new deal struck with council. Locally
we will get co management rights over the Katamu Taikina Springs,
which supplies sixty percent of drinking water. Tarnia Tapsle is
the mayor there and joins me. Now, Hi, Tanya, sure, Ryan,

(39:40):
good to have you on the show. So who's what
was the reason for this deal being done?

Speaker 10 (39:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (39:46):
Look, and I want to address the co governance or
co management. I think, you know, you really need to
look at the history and the facts, and the really
sad case in this instance is that this spring and
the surrounding land was forcibly taken by a previous council.
So we are actually correcting a lot of wrongs. We
have managed to give back land surrounding the springs to

(40:09):
the area. But most importantly, this spring supply sixty percent
the majority of our city's drinking water. So actually working
alongside them, and they've never ever said, hey, are we're
going to hold you to ransom, They've never done it.
They've always been really happy to support the continual drinking
water supply for our community, which we're very grateful for.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
So, now that you have returned it, did they get money.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
Yes, so there will be an ongoing operational grant to
support the trust capacity. So it's two hundred and eighty
four thousand that includes restoration, monitoring of the river. And
I've got to admit this is the cheapest option as well.
There were other options looked into, but as part of
holding the consent to take water, there is always going

(40:56):
to be ongoing operational cost and it's great that we
can work alongside them.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
And this is yours. This is a council. It is
not part of a treaty settlement. It's not part of
a government director of This is just a council doing
this out of its own back with the EWI YEP.

Speaker 7 (41:09):
This was the council that said, hey, actually we acknowledged
that previous council seventy one years ago did something pretty bad.
But this drinking water supply is very crucial for our city.
So this what we've done, secures the next thirty five years.
I've got to say some of the country's best drinking water.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Good on your town, your China taps or merit to
do it. It is quarter past five year on News
Talk said B. That report, by the way, that Jonathan
Boston was talking about, is eight pages long. And I mean,
I do have to laugh when somebody says my report
was longer than your report. It's like, well, who cares
how many pages it is? It's what's written inside. But

(41:50):
most of the most of what is written, and I
read it today is just waffle, you know. It's it's
we ought to do this, we ought to do that.
But that doesn't actually that's not clear, is it. It
doesn't actually tell you anything. It doesn't say on this date,
this will happen. If you have a house that gets flooded,
we're not paying. Doesn't say any of that. It's just
a bunch of principles and well nonsense. Really, quarter past

(42:13):
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after five news talk zib would be customers are being

(43:17):
pinged for booking cancelations for restaurants and Auckland Diner was
charged two hundred and fifty bucks for canceling a five
person booking at an inner city restaurant less than twenty
four hours before the dinner. The restaurant says customers must
click through the cancelation policy on their website, but have
since refunded the woman out of good faith. Sahar alone
is consumer in zed with us. Now, Hey, Sahar, Hey Ryan,

(43:40):
how's it going good? Thank you? I think this is
fair enough because when I go to the barber, I sign,
you know, I pay actually in advance, and then if
I don't turn up, I get charged because otherwise, you know,
he's sitting there twiddling his thumbs. Thumbs. Same with restaurants.

Speaker 20 (43:56):
Yeah, I mean you are entering into a contract when
you make that booking, So I would caution people to
read the t's and c's. But there's also a responsibility
on the restaurant to make those terms really clear upfront.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
So before you do the booking, before you click through.

Speaker 20 (44:14):
And that's right.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah, is there anything illegal about it?

Speaker 20 (44:19):
Well, I mean those terms have to be reasonable, so
the woman could argue that you know, they are not
reasonable and make it and make a request to her
bank that they refund.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Them two hundred and fifty dollars for a five person booking.
Does the fee have to be a reasonable fee or
can they I mean, could they charge one thousand dollars
for five people if they wanted to do? It's up
to them.

Speaker 20 (44:50):
I mean, that doesn't seem very reasonable, does it. But yeah,
that that's probably not up to me.

Speaker 9 (44:58):
To make the call.

Speaker 20 (44:59):
But yeah, I think she could argue that that's not
a reasonable charge. And I think on this woman's okay,
she did say that had she known that it was
going to be that amount, she might have made other arrangements.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah, true, So best advice is just read before you sign,
read before you click.

Speaker 20 (45:18):
Totally. Yeah, And to your point, you know, I've had
this come up with my hair dresser in the past,
and I've said to him, hey, look I'm going to
be late and told him that quite late and out
of good faith. He said, oh, it's right this time.
And I've also had the benefit of being able to
walk into my hairdresser when he is available. So I
think there's got to be a little bit of good

(45:39):
well on both ends.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
You're true, So how I appreciate you coming on the show.
So how lone consumer in z communication and campaigns manager
there with my barber, because I feel so guilty if
I'm even a little bit late. In fact, I'm late
to most things, just a little bit late to most things.
But I'm always on time to the barber. Always leave

(46:00):
with an extra twenty minutes to look for a car,
you know, twenty minutes just for car park hunting, because
I feel bad like this guy's busy, he's back to back,
he's got fifteen minutes slots. He's very good at what
he does, and I don't want to muck him around.
So I'm always on time for the barber. You know,
wouldn't be on time for a funeral, but I'll be
on time for the barber. Twenty two after five News

(46:21):
Talks ADB.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Checking the point of the story. It's Ryan Bridgejohn Heather
Dup c Allen drive with One New Zealand Let's get
connected and news Talks at B.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Five twenty five on your Thursday evening. Good to have
your company. It's been forty years since the French sunk
the Rainbow Warrior. They wanted to stop the protests against
nuclear testing and muroor Roa and the terrorist attack by
our friends on our soil was outrageous, and it feels
as outrageous today as I'm sure it did.

Speaker 20 (46:52):
Then.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Two years after the event, we cement our nuclear free stance.
We're officially against nuclear weapons, testing of them, the manufacture
of them. Testing, of course, is bad for the environment.
But let me ask you a question. Since Roshima and Nagasaki,
have we had another World War? The answer is no.

(47:13):
We've had decades, of course of Cold war between Russia
and the West. We've had plenty of conflicts Africa, Eastern Europe,
the Middle East, but nothing's escalated quite in the way
it did in World Wars one and two. And I
think you've got to ask yourself why did we collectively
realize the bloody cost of far away battles and drawing

(47:34):
our friends into conflict. Did we wake up after the
second round and think, oh, World Wars aren't that great?
Or did we witness the power of atomic weapons in
Japan and scare ourselves silly. The theory of nuclear deterrence
basically says that, yes, nukes are evil inventions, but their

(47:55):
existence deters your enemies from attacking you for fear that
you'll hit back with it nuke mutually assured destruction. It's
like school yard bullies. You don't pick on a guy
who's got a bunch of older brothers who could come
and beat you up. The threat of getting totally annihilated
deters you from picking on somebody with nuclear weapons or

(48:16):
messing with their friends. So, yes, nukes are bad, but
does anybody think without them we'd have gone eighty years
without another major world war? Rich twenty seven after five
News Talk said bebe nine nine two is the number detext.
We'd love your feedback on that this evening. Ryan, what's

(48:39):
up with all the do gooders on the show today?
I mean, you can't fold the passion, but cheap as
the world view is definitely up for debate, says Nathan.
I think Nathan's talking about the forest and bird and
the climate change. Ask Laura, she produced the show. Hey,
don't forget raise it. This guy is not a do
good though, he better do good this weekend. Scott Robertson

(49:03):
on the show after News at five point thirty and
the huddle lots to come. No more do good as
I promise News Talks.

Speaker 21 (49:08):
B games for you person over.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Again after making the news. The newsweakers. Talk to Ryan First,
it's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duplicylan drive with one New Zealand.
Let's get connected news Talksb's.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Good evening, twenty five away from six news Talk zib
Welcome to the Do Goota show. After six o'clock we're
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Women's Weekly? Do you like Women's Day? I don't mind
perusing myself the listener. Well, they're all part of our
media and the owner wants to flog them off, wants
to sell them. We'll talk to Dunk and Grieve about

(50:02):
that after six. Right now though, this weekend the All
Blacks the Big Test. So the team has been named
for the second Test against France. There have been three changes.
You'll know about those from the news already. New Zealand
is up one nill in the series after a surprisingly
narrow win Indoned on Saturday. I must say Scott Robertson
is the All Blacks head coach and he's with me now.

(50:25):
Hi raiser, Ryan, good afternoon, How are you doing? How
are you feeling about this weekend?

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yeah? Looking forward to me. It's good, have always been
the Capitol. You know, it's good to be in front
of you to sold out stadium. We're at in the
hut at the moment with oppreparations in Indian Ceres and
we're moving into town this afternoon. So look, test weeks
are pre special and it's going to be here and

(50:55):
we're looking better.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yeah, you got the win on Saturday, obviously, but it
was close. Have you got a bit of work today.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, You've always got work to do. I think it's
a similar part about myself with our coaching group. You know,
our dog really used to make us better and helping
me improve in the series. We can't prove on and look,
the games pretty complicated. He's some decisions that then go
your way, But how do you react to that was
the key and we could have got frustrated on so

(51:23):
they not. We were calm and clear and got the
result and be beautiful.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Why bring Caleb Clark into the starting side. What have
you seen from him?

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Kelly? It's Kelly's he's a pal. Yeah, he's great. Yearly,
we performed really well for us last year, so this
is his opportunity.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Do you think he's up to well? Obviously you do
because you put him in there.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
That's why we picked him. Mate.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
But I mean he didn't have a great Super Rugby
season as you know. But well I'm told he didn't
the score and he tries all Super Rugby season.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Yeah, look worth to change that, won't we. It's it's
important you trust players and give them opportunities, and that's
this weekend, you know, set them up to be ready
and back themselves.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
How much are those calls for you as a coach
are about stats? And how much are about your relationships
and your gut feeling about people?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
It's all of that. You know, your auc human decisions
are very similar like that, aren't they. You sort of
get that your gut feeling is backed up by steps
and then you know, here's for year before or not
or where they act and is there any things that
are going on that you can help with, so you
consider them all. I mean, you're just going to back

(52:43):
it and there's a not to it sometimes and you
always get to add someone you chet to the just
to make sure that you've seen all angles and get
the point of your cross.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Now you've got any debuting Is he a wing or
is he a midfield? Is he both?

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Is your hooker. No, no, Jackie, he could be a
seven two. Looks. The great thing about Jimmy de Buss
we call him the more fe he's he's been really
consistent all year. Awesome defender, go to the breakdown and
then powerful ball carrier. So he gives you something pretty special.

(53:26):
And you know his craft this year and I believed
the captain the Highlanders and makes him, you know, some
great moments for him. He's got him a chance to
play test for New Zealand. So it's a great story
and of great performances.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Hey, how's on Scott Barrett doing any idea when he'll
be back.

Speaker 20 (53:47):
Yet?

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Scott, we'll an ouncet early next week. Scans are still
permitting the helbels, but he's obviously out for these first
two tests. So look, yeah, I can't give you a
different of answer, but it will be a few weeks.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Here, a couple of weeks and then hopefully it'll be back.
It's not it's not the end of days.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
No, it's not. No, it's not quite the season stuff.
You know, like she's she's a carpentery and they can
be negli. So we'll make sure he's one hundred percent.
You get a good thing about him. We can get
under a beach press now and clear as mine is
freshing up and come back for the hip.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Hey, France have apparently given Hamilton a bit of a snub.
They are staying in Auckland for most of next week
because they prefer the hotels and the training facilities and
stuff like that. You guys ever had any issues with
the facilities training in Hamilton.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Look, mate, we're a big friends of the tron We
you know we're in. We're in for the week. Uh.
We've got good training ground. That's that's really important process
we get better obviously we're good training ground and the
hospitality is pretty special. You've got a chief boys and
the team. They look afford to going home and send
your families at night the old night there and you

(55:05):
know we'll connect with the local faro and the fine
why will be good.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah. Get a home cook meal. That always helps usn't it.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
That's right?

Speaker 3 (55:17):
That's Scott Raiser Robinson. Thanks for being on the show.
Scott Scott Robinson all Blacks head coach and Jen has
been texting and can I listen on the radio. The
answer is yes you can and you can do that
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this Saturday. It is nineteen minutes away from six the.

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Speaker 3 (55:43):
Our panel, Cleared the Lord journalists, good evening, good evening,
and Craig RENI c to you economists with us this
evening as well. Craig, good evening to you. Good evening, Hi, Craig,
great to have you both here. Forty years since the
bombing of the Rainbow Warrior, so many stories coming out today.
I interviewed a woman this morning actually who was the cook,
the chef on board the boat as it were, you know,

(56:06):
because it was hit twice, two bombs seven minutes apart.
Just amazing to look back on that and think that
it was, you know, the French secret service that did it.

Speaker 22 (56:15):
Clear I know, as it unfolded, it seemed just as unreal,
unbelievable really, even though you know it had happened in
front of our very eyes. More or less, the idea
that the French were behind it, somebody we'd fought in
not that many years earlier in the Second World War,
fought four. The French was pretty amazing, but the anti

(56:36):
nuclear thing had kicked off big time at that stage,
and I'm afraid we found ourselves with allies who really
didn't lift a finger in either protest or in any
other way.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
And then two years later we really cemented that stance,
that anti nuclear stance. Craig, do you I wonder whether
you think we would have done that if the rain
Bow Warrior thing hadn't happened.

Speaker 23 (56:58):
You know, I think it was certainly a custleist. I
think it's certainly helped, But I like to think that
New Zealand as a country has had a long and
honorable sussition, you know, of supporting anti nuclear compians and
certainly being a country that doesn't want to see nuclear
weapons here. I think, you know, it certainly helps, but
I think in the long run, I can't see New
Zealand as a country either supporting usulo weapons or supporting

(57:21):
countries storing nudulo weapons in it in our country.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Do you think it makes the world safer having clear
having nuclear weapons as a deterrent?

Speaker 22 (57:32):
Well, I mean, you know, mutually assured destruction, you know, mad,
complete madness and insanity behind that belief. Whether or not
it has any veracity, it's really hard to say because
we never want to see it tested. But if it's
absolutely true, that means every country should have a little

(57:52):
arsenal that can take out their nearest neighbor or there
are closest perceived threat. I just think it's it's just
a very sad indictment on us that that should be
the case. And meanwhile, that's not as if the world
has been completely peaceful. Now there have been millions of
people dying in conflicts with conventional arms all.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Around the world. Absolutely, but the fact that it hasn't
escalated into a global comp into a World War III. Craig,
is that because everyone's too scared because someone will bring
out a nuke.

Speaker 23 (58:24):
I think it helps, but I mean, you know, it's
I guess the question is security for who? Because you know,
we did various third world countries around the world, as
Claire has said, haven't seen security for decades. There's been
conflicts raging across Africa, across Asia. We've seen you know,
there's been security for those nations that have held nuclear weapons.

(58:47):
I think it'd all be more secure if those nuclear
weapons disappeared off the planet.

Speaker 22 (58:52):
The other thing is after the war there was the
development of all the multinational organizations and entry and until
the most recent iteration of madness by way of various
administrations we won't name, they have been observed. And I
think the worst thing that could have happened now is
non proliferation treaties will be very hard to get people

(59:15):
to sign up.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
But you can't stay clear that you know that NATO
that well. You can't say that the UN, the advent
of the U WIN has stopped World War three. It's
it's that plus some firepower in the back, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 22 (59:30):
It's put some moral pressure on countries. It is brought
together countries where they have to get together and meet
at the General Assembly. They have to eyeball and meet
face to face with some people that they cannot stomach.
They sometimes have to sit around the same table as them.
But now we see the UN rendered more or less toothless.
And if you have a look at the UN Security Council,

(59:51):
it's completely bonkers joke.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Yeah. Hey, the owners of a women's weekly, the listeners,
some really vital staples in your magazine bookshelf. Looking for
a buyer for these magazines, Craig, do you still read them?

Speaker 23 (01:00:06):
I read magazines, but I think, like many other people, Ryan,
I read them online. I don't read them in their
physical copy. I don't go to the you know, the
news agent, so the supermarket and buy them anymore. The
magazines I read, you know, they're all tend to be
published online. Like The Economist that's already online. You know,
the Listener that's online, and it's just easier. And that's

(01:00:29):
where I tend to do. If I'm reading a magazine article,
I'll read it just like I read any of their
article i'll read on a website.

Speaker 22 (01:00:35):
Yeah, magazines and their paper form have certainly had their
glory days. They're behind them, and nearly everybody has got
on their phone a little digital library. However, that digital
library has to be curated rather well, and I'd have
to say that in some of these titles have fallen
well behind. They don't have their own app. For example,
the Listener that I wrote for for a number of years,

(01:00:56):
it doesn't have its own app that you can easily
open as you can for example, as Craig says, with
The Economist, and it's just sitting.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
There for you.

Speaker 22 (01:01:03):
So I think with the fall and advertising revenues, the
increased costs of paper, for example, postage delivery, and people's
changed habits, I think it's probably going to be hard
to find an owner that's going to pay very much
for these titles.

Speaker 23 (01:01:18):
Clear the thing would says that it's either we're all
going to mess that long form curated journalism that it produces.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Yeah, well, I mean hopefully someone picks them up. It's
not the end of the story for these titles, because
a couple, particularly Women's Weekly and The Listener, I think,
are both brilliant and reflect in very different ways, but
reflect New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (01:01:39):
You've been a cover boy on one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
All right, many times, many times. It's no wonder they're
not flying off the shelves. Need to get you on
the cover again. Cleared the Law, journalist Craig Rennie on
the Huddle Tonight Back in a Moment.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones
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Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Cleared the Law and Craig Rennie on the Hub to
Night teen Away from six. Craig, what do you think
is more important one thousand human jobs or ten thousand lizards.

Speaker 23 (01:02:07):
Oh, it's a balance, but I think the lizards have
to be providing a lot of GDP to get past
that thousand human jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
So you're on the side of the humans, you're on
the side of comments.

Speaker 23 (01:02:20):
I'm I'm on the side of trying to mixture of
people have incomes that they have, they have job security, communities,
have something to look forward to. And you know, it's
always it's always a struggle. It's always a balance to
balance the needs of the bias, you know, the environment.

Speaker 9 (01:02:36):
But we can we can probably do this better than
we do it now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Clear Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 22 (01:02:40):
I want the lizards. I want the jobs. I want
the lizards to be relocated. I want their DNA preserves
so Peter Jackson can help us out if something goes wrong.
And I want the mining companies, whatever licenses they get,
I want them to be strictly supervised, and I want
them to come down on like a ton of breaks.
If they don't, you know, serve their right to mind.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Because the thing about it is, we are a touris
you know, tourism's up there in terms of our export earners,
and people do come because they like to look at
nice things, not mine. So there is an economic argument
for protecting them too.

Speaker 22 (01:03:15):
But the lizards live under rocks, so people can't go
and just easily observe them. And also they're going to
squash them walking over their territory to go and see them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
That's not going to work. Run you go something like
you just want to massacre that all the lizards.

Speaker 22 (01:03:27):
Have you seen the Stockton open cast mining? Yes, where
they restore the ground. I mean, look, there are going
to be conservationist out there who hate me for this,
but I think it's as well done as it can be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
You can unfart, and I think on the West.

Speaker 22 (01:03:39):
Coast we have got to the point where we don't
let West Coasters move without wanting to conserve every aspect
of what's around them. The natural beauty is phenomenal, but
there's only like one percent of it that has people
living on it. Where people do have to live, young
people have to have a future.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Yeah, we need opportunity in this country. Otherwise, as we've
seen from the stats today, we'll have more of them
leaving for Australia. Craig Renny and clear the law on
the huddle tonight, guys. Thank you very much, lovely debate.
Eight minutes away from six o'clock. You're on news Talk ZEBB.
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is this boring?

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Well does the country for us today? And a little
interesting one for you via Smith and Coe's sadly closed down,

(01:07:27):
but a lot of stuff from the store now going
up for auction. We will get to that later in
the program too. Right now, some of the country's most
iconic magazines are going up for sale again, five years
after they were rescued from cancelation during the pandemic. The Listener,
Women's Day, New Zealand, Women's Weekly and some other titles
were bought by Our Media in twenty twenty after Bao

(01:07:50):
Media abruptly closed them, but now Our Media is on
the market, reportedly because it hasn't been making enough of
a profit. Duncan Grieve is the host of the spin
Off Media podcast and joins me now hih duncan Hey Royn,
how are you good? So they're just not making enough money?

Speaker 25 (01:08:08):
Yeah, I mean I think that that's the sort of
thesis coming out of Australia. I actually recently interviewed Stuart Dick,
our media's boss here, and he was very upbeat about
how the New zeal assets are performing, and you know
that might well be be true. It's a much leaner
operation here, so you know that there might be a

(01:08:30):
difference there, But overall, magazines are a tough business to
be in anywhere in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Does it matter, well, presumably quite important who buys them
and that will determine what happens with the next.

Speaker 25 (01:08:43):
Yeah, I mean they're being sold by a private equity owner.
Typically they want to buy it cheap, strip out costs,
get the profit margins up and sell them for more.
They've held it for a relatively long time, five years
for that kind of a program, and they're not selling
at what you'd call the optimum time for any media asset.

(01:09:03):
So it makes you think that maybe something has gone
a bit awry there. So you know this talk of
maybe they could go to another private actuory buy but
I think especially if they cut off the new zeal assets.
I can see someone like enzed me, which does already
do the digital subscriptions for the listener, potentially taking a

(01:09:24):
look at them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
What is it worth? I mean, is it the fact
that they're hard copy magazines that makes it hard to
make money out of.

Speaker 25 (01:09:36):
I think that some of it is kind of perception
narrative stuff. You know that magazines used to be amazing
moneymaking machines, and a lot of premium brands would only
advertise in them or put a lot of their spend
through them. That kind of stuff has gone to other
places now, even though there is still a robust, if

(01:09:58):
aging audience for magazines. But they still have like good
sort of subscription revenues and you can make a good
business out of them. But they're just not as sexy
as they once were.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Yeah, And like I was thinking today about your women's
days and stuff. Nowadays you've got social media and celebrities
and you know, actors, and they've all got their own
They basically do their own women's day through their Instagram accounts,
don't they.

Speaker 9 (01:10:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:10:27):
Well, the sort of so called lifestyle and women's titles
that they have probably the most impacted in terms of
the kind of you know, exactly what you said, that
the fact that what they the function that they performed
has been somewhat duplicated. There is an older audiences. People

(01:10:50):
live a lot longer now, so you know, they still
have quite good sales, but they don't have that same
sense of being really central to the culture anymore, whereas
a title like Listener, which is actually a real outlier
amongst the rest of the portfolio. You know, I think
under Kirsty's learnership, it really has done a very good
job of getting back to being a quite psychostic publication again.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Yeah, Dunk and I hope that someone picks them up,
because there's some really talented journalists working at these magazines
and they I just hope that they keep going. Dunk
and Grief, host of the Fold the Spinoffs Media podcast
Time is eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
After six Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
So Smith and Coey's sadly has closed down, but a
lot of this stuff from the store is now up
for auction. Santa's Sleigh Smith and Coey's Smith and Coey's
Santa's Sleigh is up for auction. It's part of a
bundle of Christmas stuff. Does it fly?

Speaker 26 (01:11:43):
Does it say whether it flies or them.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Let me just have any of the reindeer for that
doesn't have a chat. Just looking at the terms, I
think it needs a bit of magic, very dust for
that to happen. But you know, potentially, let's not rule
it out. Forty thousand dollars gets you a bundle of
Christmas stock starting bid forty thousand dollars. What's included, Well,
Santa's Slave, that's your big ticket item. You get Christmas trees,

(01:12:07):
you get vintage Christmas ornaments. People love Smith and Coey's
Christmas ornaments. They go there. I've got friends who are
go and by them every year. Obviously, very rich antique furniture,
a whole bunch of stuff, but the one that I
want to get my hands on. Several premium gold mannekins
available and the Smith and Corey auction starting at fifty dollars.

(01:12:28):
I want one of those because I have at my house.
You know Christine Rankin back in the nineties, when she
was at the peak of her winds battling the government days,
she would wear the short skirts, mini skirts and the
Hope earrings, the big ear rings. Everyone remembers this. It

(01:12:48):
was a moment in fashion and we were running an
auction for charity, and I said, why don't we try
and get Christine Rankin's short dress and one of her
outfits and the ear rings and put an auction it,
which we did. And then and we also got like
Winston Peters and we've got to double breasted jacket from

(01:13:09):
Winston Peter's all this cool stuff, and people bit on it,
add an auction and bought it, and I ended up
buying Christine Rankin's dress. So I've got at my home
a green Christine Rankin skirt mini skirt. I've tried to
get into it for a dress up party, but honestly,
she must have the tiniest waist. Couldn't get myself. I
couldn't even get a thigh in anyway. So I've got

(01:13:31):
that sitting at home. I've got the earrings sitting with it,
and they're just collecting dust. So what I'm going to
do is I'm going to get one of these fifty
dollars gold mannekins from Smith and Koe's and put Christine
Rankin's skirt on it, put it in the corner of
the spare room. Thirteen after six.

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Hamus Rakai with us filling in for Jamie on the
country tonight. Hey Hamish, how are you?

Speaker 9 (01:15:06):
Oh? Very good? Thank you sir? Can't complain.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Hey you splitting your time between Auckland and Manawatu these days?
Aren't you keeping your finger on the farming pulse? How's
the mood? How's the mood across our farming sectors at
the moment.

Speaker 9 (01:15:19):
You know, it's really interesting because these are real times
in terms of farm gate returns, the prices right across
the board, the dairy industry obviously, you know, the beef
industry lamb all very good, pretty good across cropping and
right across the board. These are good times. And you know,

(01:15:40):
and there's a new awareness I think, and I think
it's kind of a buoyancy that accepts and enjoys being
the backbone of the economy, not any other hare brained
idea that comes along gets wiped out by COVID. I mean,
farming is the real deal. And you've got a lot
of new blood coming through now who go you know,
not dwell too much on what might be or what

(01:16:02):
could be. Let's just get on with it, you know.
And you see that coming through with the Great Young
Farmer Awards that winners and the Jerry Award winners, and
these are people all advocates not just for themselves but
for the industry and for the whole primary sector right
and particularly the farming right across the board. But you know,
of course it's all tempered by rising costs. And you

(01:16:23):
know we've seen that with a diesel and certain animal
animal welfare and you know, all the costs that come.
That's that's there. But I think you know, what I've
what I've spotted or what I've felt, is a pretty
solid mood one where where previously you might get you know, like,
you know, I feel like, oh, well, when's are going
to end? When's it going to end? Well, maybe it doesn't.

(01:16:45):
Maybe there is sort of a nice long patch and
nice long innings of seriously good returns are coming for
our farmers.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Well hope so, because I mainten dollars a kilo Folk
solids is a great price, where is where is the
money going? I mean we obviously we saw the track
to sales at Field Days, but are farmers out there
buying lots of stuff. Are they paying down debt? What's
the story?

Speaker 9 (01:17:09):
Yeah, well that old you know. I know Jamie always
talks about the barometer of the tractor sales at field days.
But I think there is a lot of a common
sense approach here. When we had what we're there boom,
what was seven or eight years ago, there was pretty good.
Prices were up again, particularly in that dairy sector, but
obviously the rising costs this time. But you've got you've

(01:17:29):
got a bit of a you've got it's kind of
as a segment, I think, to produce at a very
you know, they have a less than say five or
six dollars a kilogram, so they've got a margin of
you know, four or five dollars a kilogram. And when
you're producing two hundred two hundred thousand kilograms of milk solids,

(01:17:49):
where you go, you do the numbers pretty quickly. You're
a pretty good CEO in terms of a salary coming
health your farm. But there are those who probably are
producing with interest rates that are you know, historically not
the lowest, and of course all the rise and costs,
so you're probably a lot of those are producing that
seven or eight dollars of kilogram, So the margin between

(01:18:10):
that and the ten dollars isn't as fact that I
think you'll find, and I think, you know, the bankers
and everybody involved would be pretty adam at this time around.
It's about getting that reducing that depth, not the new
car and the holiday as much. So I think there's
a lot of sort of sensibility happening around, particularly around
that ten dollar payout.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
What's happening around your way with farm and sell prices.

Speaker 9 (01:18:33):
Yeah, look, I think the things to be, you know,
I think probably under the current current government it's a
slightly less restrictive regulatory kind of entirements for farmers. I guess,
you know, we've got to have right thing rightful things
like targets around emissions and you know, looking after the land.
But I genuinely believe that the vast majority of farmers

(01:18:55):
are good about that anyway. So look, I think the
numbers are about seventy percent year on year up, so
you know, so that's pretty you know, I think there's
just some good capital out there wanting to get in,
and particularly I guess in that dairy sector again and
hopefully not we're not going to use the term here
rain before. I hope you're not going to see too

(01:19:15):
much of that Austrian industria, industrialists snapping up our great
you know, so of that good Middle country going into
pines and never returning. So yeah, so there's certainly some
good activity in farm sales.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Brilliant Hamish. That is all good news and we love
hearing it. Hamish Mackay filling in for Jamie on the Country.
Good to have you on the program. It is twenty
two minutes after six. We're going to go head to
after the News at six point thirty. Sam Dicky Fisher
funds an update on Tesla in the Brady out of
the UK before top of the hour as well. Just
looking through the Smith and Coey's list in the auction,
there is a vintage chandelier made out of metal and

(01:19:52):
crystal taking bids starting one point fifty. That sounds pretty
good to me. Chandelier is described as extra large. Never
been a big fan of chandeliers, but if you do
want one hundred and fifty bucks from Smith and Coe's
not a bad price. Twenty two after six News Talk
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so if you like one, you'll be there at all
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update on Tesla with Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds.

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Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
Don't you win the twenty five away from seven News Talk,
said B. Here we go again. The state of emergency
declared for Nelson Tasman region. Med Tim King says it's
a preemptive move like it was last time. Existing conditions
obviously in the region after the severe weather that they've had.
He says they want to make sure they get a
swift response. The front's nine am tomorrow. It should come.

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Hopefully it doesn't, but that's when it's expected to come. Also,
we're going to talk to andde Brady before seven o'clock.
He's our UK europe correspondent. I was looking at some
numbers today. You know. Starmer had a big booboo with
the benefits in the welfare system, trying to cut costs
out of their budget and then had basically a revolt
from within from his own party members, so had to

(01:23:56):
pull back on the cuts to welfare well and compromise
and eventually got the thing through they're now going to
basically have to face tax hikes. They can't balance the
budget right. But they just came out with some interesting numbers.
This is analysis by the Center for Social Justice and
Universal Credit. They have found looked at the difference what

(01:24:18):
you get paid if you're on a sickness benefit or
a sickness welfare check versus the minimum wage over in
the UK. So this is what they have discovered. If
you are claiming an average housing benefit and personal Independence
payment for ill health, you get twenty five thousand pounds

(01:24:41):
per year. A full time worker on the national living
wage of twelve pounds twenty one an hour will earn
around twenty two thousand, five hundred after paying income tax
and national insurance. Meaning the difference between getting a sickness
benefit in the UK and getting them minimum wage. Working
and getting the minimum wage is two and a half

(01:25:04):
thousand pounds five thousand New Zealand dollars for five hundred
New Zealand dollars. So you are better off on welfare
than you are working, and that's bad, but it's the
sickness benefit. It's not like you are lazy, you are unwell,
you're not qualified you can't work, and you've got a

(01:25:24):
medical certificate to say that you can't work. So I
think it's a slightly different kettle of fish to you know,
just if you're on a job seeker benefit is what
we call it here anyway. Ander Brady is our UK
Europe correspondent. He's with us just.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Before seven, Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Right now we're going to do Sam Dicky from Fisher
Funds for an update on Tesla. Sam is with us now,
Hey Sam, Hey, Ryan, how are there going?

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Good? Thank you? So shares down twenty five percent this year,
the distracted CEO. How should investors be thinking about Tesla
at the moment?

Speaker 11 (01:26:00):
Yeah, well, I guess the first thing to think about
is it's traditional electric vehicle business and how did it
lose its crown to China's BYD so I guess seven
or eight years ago it used to sell two to
one to BYD electric vehicles. This year BYD will sell
about five point two million vehicles and Tessa will sell

(01:26:22):
about one point seven so more than three times as many.
And there's two reasons for that. The first reason is
just manufacturing expertise and scale. So Musk was always fanatical
about lowering the cost of an electric vehicle to produce,
because that would drive down the price you could sell

(01:26:43):
them at and that would lead to widespread adoption. But
if you even look at head to head in China,
so it Tess's Shanghai gigafactory versus BYD BYD is still
about twenty percent cheaper to produce per car. So that's
the first thing. The second thing is, of course, brand,
and Tesler's brand was originally sort of super exciting, synonymous

(01:27:03):
with exceptional innovation and clean energy. Everyone wanted to have
a Tessler and that's obviously swung sharply negatively. The brand
favorability is at an all time low, and that's probably
driven by Musks often inflammatory comments, alignment and misalignment with Trump,
and plus, of course, other electric vehicle brands around the

(01:27:24):
world are really carefully building their precious brand value, whereas
Trump seems to be sort of flying by the seat
of his pants on that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Yeah, is that How big of a problem is that
having a personal brand like Musks tied up with the
value of a company.

Speaker 11 (01:27:42):
Well, I think it's yes, it's good if it goes well,
but it goes badly, and I think it's look, normally
any company should be bigger than one person. Musk is
obviously a genius. You know, there's obviously divide's opinion, but
he's definitely a genius. And I think it's also that focus. Right,
So today's e CEO of Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink, the boring

(01:28:06):
company Twitter or x xai, and he's dabbling in politics.
But when you look back at this is you know,
golden run from sort of twenty seventeen to twenty twenty
one when the stock went up, you know, three thousand percent,
he only really had take Tesla and SpaceX, And I
think that's quite key, that divided attention of a CEO.
Plus the fact, as you said, that he's his brand

(01:28:30):
or his name, and his brand is very synonymous with
Tesla's brand.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
What do investors do you reckon need to believe to
buy or sell the company today?

Speaker 11 (01:28:41):
Well, the simple mass is that the company's value at
a trillion dollars and you know, we think the electric
vehicle business is maybe worth quarter of a trillion dollars
or three hundred three hundred billion, so you know, just
to get today's share price, and you obviously want to
make a return on top of that, but just to
get today's share price, you need to believe that the
combination of rogotaxis, you know, humanoids, there's smaller energy business

(01:29:08):
and obviously Musk's genius to conjure up other value drivers
for Tesla worth at least three quarters of a trillion dollars.
And that's fine because they are quite well positioned. But
if you think about the fact that those companies, those
businesses are basically making zero earnings, you really do need
to take a leap of face. We've set another way.
The stocks trading on about one hundred and fifty times

(01:29:30):
priced to earnings, which is a standard valuation metric, and
for comparison, the US stock market itself trading on about
twenty times earning, so it's super expensive. And to justify
that huge valuation, you need a genius that is singularly
focused on your company. You need that genius to be
sleeping at the factory like you used to be, and

(01:29:51):
you need him to stop poisoning the Tesla brand with
his inflammatory tweets.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Do you think in terms of the car sales This
is not so much market question, but do you think
that you know who owns the company actually has out
a tangible result on sales.

Speaker 11 (01:30:10):
Yes, I think in terms of masks brand, yeah, I
do think that's the case. You know, they're shrinking this
year in terms of their sales. B WAYD is continuing
to grow. It's partly because of this cost thing. So
Tesler can't get the cost to produce down enough, so
they can't get that widespread adoption of electric vehicles because
it's just too expensive. But I do think the brand,

(01:30:32):
I mean everywhere you look, you know, the net promoter
scores and the brand favorability of plummeted over the last year,
and it's hard to believe that's just because Tesler is
a little bit too expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
Sam, appreciate your analysis tonight, Sam Dickey, Fisher Funds. Time
is eighteen seventeen minutes away from seven o'clock. Coming up
next in the Brady Out of the UK Starma and
Macron getting down to business today. That is the first
we talked about this yesterday, first official welcome or state
welcome to the UK for a European leader since Brexit.

(01:31:07):
So we'll find out what they talked about. Also, their
junior doctors in the UK are going on strike, much
like here, going on strike over their inde Brady with
the details.

Speaker 17 (01:31:14):
Next.

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Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
Fourteen away from seven on News Talks edb Ryan. This
is from one of our listeners this evening. Magazines still
get read, especially by people actually running businesses. There's so
much noise online, but a good print feature still gets
notice and taken seriously if it gets to the right people.
I'd appreciate you sharing. I completely agree with that, because
this is after the news that our media is for sale.

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Hopefully brands like The Listener and New Zealand Women's Weekly,
Women's Day continue. There is something about picking up a
magazin and I do this when I go to go
on holiday, go up north, put your phone away, pick
up a magazine. You immediately feel more relaxed. You know,
it's just something about it. It's just gone forteen minutes

(01:32:12):
away from seven and the Brady is our UK correspondent
with us. Good evening, Good morning, Inda, Nice to have
you on the program.

Speaker 14 (01:32:19):
Hey Ryan, good to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Now Starma and Machron getting down to business today and
it's all about the boats. Have they been able to
come to some sort of agreement to try and stop
the flow.

Speaker 14 (01:32:32):
We'll find out very shortly. So the officials have certainly
been working behind the scenes, the French and the UK
government officials and diplomats. They will have been putting in
the hard yards while Macron and Starmer were having to
stay banquet the other night with the King. Elton John
was there, Mick Jagger as well. You know, the UK
does rasmatas as well as anyone else. So Macron has

(01:32:53):
had a wonderful few days. But today is the sharp
end of the trip. Can he stop these small bus
coming over from France? Now? It was very interesting last week.
You may have seen this footage that went viral of
French cops wading out into the water with pen knives
and just slashing a dinghy that was crammed full of
illegal asylum seekers who were about to embark and head

(01:33:16):
off towards England. Twenty six miles of water that stretches,
and that happened out of nowhere, and of course people
here saw it and thought, well, hang on, why haven't
they been doing this for years? Twenty thousand people have
illegally entered the UK this way in the first six
months of the year. So if that continues at the
pace it's going, that's forty thousand people a year. That's

(01:33:37):
a small town every year of illegal asylum seekers. So
something has to change now. The French believe that the
UK make life too attractive for these people, that the
benefits system here is far too lucrative for them. Let's
see what Macron and starm are come up with. But
something needs to change because people in the UK are

(01:33:58):
absolutely exasperated.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Yeah, and you've only got to visit and talk to
people and it's pretty in front of everyone's minds and
pushing reforms chances up too, hasn't it. Hey, Oh yes,
what's happening with the junior doctors going on strike? What's
that about?

Speaker 14 (01:34:14):
Well, we thought this was all fixed last year. Labor
came into power exactly one year ago this week and
one of the first things Starmer did, and he was
immediately criticized for it because people said he was caving
into the unions. He looked at a situation he'd inherited
where doctors wanted more money. Junior doctors were going on
strike nurses wanted more money as well. It was a mess,

(01:34:36):
so he rattled the financial cages a bit, came up
with some money and gave them pay rises. Now, sure enough,
the junior doctors are back this week. They voted to
go on strike July twenty fifth day will walk out
and they feel that their pay has not kept track
of inflation and that they've actually had a pay cut.
So I don't think there'll be a huge amount of

(01:34:56):
sympathy in the UK public. Everyone's struggling here at the
moment financially, the majority of working people, I would say,
and junior doctors threatening strike action. When the NHS is
in the state, it's in the National Health Service, I
don't think there'll be an outpouring of public sympathy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
Sounds like they'll be quite the outpouring of money for
this new stadium, Menchester United Stadium eight billion dollars and
they've chosen someone to oversee all this.

Speaker 14 (01:35:23):
They have saib Co Lord Cole as he now is
so former Olympic gold medalist middle distance runner. He then
went into sports administration. He flirted with conservative politics and
never really made much of a dent there, but he's
put in the decades in sports administration. He wanted to
be the new boss of the IOC, but he was

(01:35:44):
beaten by the lady from Zimbabwe. So this is the
new gig he has just landed. He will be put
in charge of delivering Manchester United's new stadium. It's going
to cost eight billion ENZ dollars. It will be one
hundred thousand seater stadium and his challenge is working with
Jim Ratcliffe, the guy who is twenty eight percent shareholder

(01:36:06):
and owner of Manchester United, Britain's richest self made man.
I've had a few dealings with Ratcliffe over the years.
He is a very demanding taskmaster. So let's see how
step Cole and him work together.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Sounds like it's going to be interesting. And to thank
you for the end of Brady a UK correspondent. It
is nine minutes away from seven Newstalk IBB.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
News Talk ZIBB. It is seven minutes away from seven.
Great to heavy company this evening. Gosh, it's been a
busy old one, hasn't it. We talked about nuclear weapons.
Most people it seems on the text machine quite happy
with nukes. I mean, not that anyone actually wants people
to use them. You don't want the Iran to have them.
You don't want rocketman firing one. But the fact that

(01:36:56):
that there, I think we've all concluded, with a couple
of exceptions, I think we've all concluded that it's actually
a good thing because it stops you firing at you know,
having wars with each other, having World War III. Knowing
that because even you know, the Brits, they've got the
Letter of Last Resort, so every British Prime minister when
they come into office has to sign a letter. They

(01:37:19):
come into the office and they bring you this thing
and you have to sign. You write it and you
sign it, and no one sees it. It's sealed, and
it's put into submarines that are nuclear powered but also
have nuclear warheads on board. If Britain is attacked by
a nuclear warhead from another country, and let's say London

(01:37:40):
is wiped out, then this submarine, which is all and
there is always a British submarine out there, nuclear armed
British submarine out there somewhere in the world in the ocean.
If London is wiped out and there's no control, you know,
command back to London. They open their is this letter
in the submarine, They go into the little box, they

(01:38:03):
open it up and they read it and it will
tell them what to do, whether you attack the country
that's attacked the UK, or whether you just go and
surrender wave the white flag. Is that fascinating? So that's
why you don't go bombing people, because they will bomb
you back.

Speaker 26 (01:38:21):
What a reassuring thought, Ryan. Somewhere in the world right now,
there's a submarine with a letter and a bunch of
nukes on it, and for all we know, it's in
Wellington Harbor.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Yeah, absolutely, Well, no, I won't be here because we
don't like nukes here and do we.

Speaker 26 (01:38:31):
Yeah, we got annoyed at the Chinese. That's actually no,
it wasn't us. We got annoyed at Chineesy submarine, was it?
It was the Aussie? So for all we know, Wellington
Harbour's just a big highway with these things.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
Absolutely, Hey, what are we going out to tonight?

Speaker 26 (01:38:40):
No more by SARChI to play us out tonight. So
Sachi are a dance music duo from New Zealand who've
been going pretty well, they've been going for a lot
about ten years now, I think, but still still got
the audience out there, still playing the festival circuit. They
just finished up at Ohakuniy Mardi Gras and Queenstown Mardi Gras,
and they've announced two shows for so I suppose it's
a very mini tour of New Zealander, isn't it. But

(01:39:01):
they're doing Auckland and they're doing Wellington. Going to be
playing San fran and Wellington on Thursday, August twenty first,
and they'll be playing Studio the Venue in Auckland on Saturday,
August the twenty third. So this is one of their
earliest songs, No.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
More brilliant love it. Thanks for all your emails and
text everybody had a great night. Do it all again
tomorrow from four o'clock or see you on Herald Now
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