Full Show Podcast: 10 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.
Francisca Ruggin on Heather duples Elan Drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talk as'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yes, good to have you with us this afternoon. On
the show, we head to Florida where Milton has made landfall.
We get the latest on the conditions and how it's
all unfolding from our reporter on the ground. The government's
financial books have sunk further into debt in the year
to June. We talk to Finance Minister Nicola Willis about
how the government will respond and banks have a new
plan to help stop scams. More on that after six.

(00:40):
It is seven past four, Francesca, so just how much
Polkinghorn is enough? Polkinghorn? Today it was announced that South
Pacific Pictures, together with UK based production companies, are developing
an original limited drama series. It's called The Mysterious Death
of Pauline Hannah. I wonder what Pauline would say if

(01:02):
she could see the outcome of her death. Firstly, her
life was laid bare, her personal life forensically picked apart,
discussed and judged in an eight week court trial, a
court case that was thoroughly covered by the media. Since then,
it was announced that there would be a three part
documentary series funded by New Zealand on air to screen

(01:23):
at some point on three. Now then we had the
twoey billboards, and now we have the dramatization. It's a
lot of people making money off the tragic story of
the death of one woman. I totally understand why this
is happening, and I get the appeal. You only have
to look at how much this case captivated the nation.
It's a universally appealing story, filled with intriguing characters and

(01:47):
scandals and sex and drugs. And let's be honest, you
couldn't have come up with this story if you tried.
But there needs to be more to it than capitalizing
on a scandalous story. As I said after the document
the entry was made public, there is a fine line
between examining the facts and revealing something meaningful and praying
on a victim's tragedy for entertainment's sake. The line in

(02:11):
the press release that caught my attention was this, By
presenting the facts of the case in a responsible, forensic
and non judgmental way the mysterious death of Pauline Hannah
will let the audience decide. Is that not what the
court case was for? Okay, quite a bit of judgment
was passed in that court case that if you followed
the court case, and you must remember mister Polkinhorn was

(02:32):
found not guilty, you've already probably made up your own
mind about what happened. Do we need a dramatization? Haven't
we had enough? There is a place for true crime documentaries, podcasts,
and dramatizations. They can be a powerful way to tell
cautionary tales and question our justice system and the treatment
of victims. Just look at the Grace Meline documentary currently

(02:54):
screening on Netflix. It's called The Lie the Murder of
Grace Melane. I suggest you watch it. It's very good.
This is a documentary that adds context to the story.
It reveals new information and footage was delivered a respectful
time after Grace's death, and most importantly, respected the victim
and their family. Look at a time when local production
industry is hurting, it is good to hear about new

(03:15):
productions with international funding. But if Specific Pictures goes ahead
with this ratings winner, there is still an ethical obligation
to do it with care and consideration for the victim,
their families and friends. Francesca I did a very unscientific
survey in our team meeting. Only half of us were

(03:37):
interested in watching the drummer. I was not one of them.
To me, I think it's probably more about timing. I
think we've had enough right now, and I felt like
this woman's life has been on display and used for
so many various different reasons. You know what, if you
gave it five years, I'd probably come back and probably
be really interested in watching it. Also keen to find
out more about the funding on this. It sounds like
it will be funded by international partners. I probably be

(04:01):
not particularly happy if New Zealand on Air was handing
out more money for another Poking Horn story. Anyway, we're
going to talk more about the ethics around this after
five with the Professor of Media and Communications at Canterbury University,
Donald Matheson. Right, Community advocate David Littally has announced he

(04:22):
will be shutting down his South Auckland food bank, which
was supplying up to one thousand families a week. The
operation received eighty seven thousand dollars worth of government support,
but it was distributing more than five hundred thousand dollars
worth of food. David Attali says he can no longer
sustain the costs of running the food bank as government
funding isn't enough to cut it, and David littally joins me. Now, hey, Dave,

(04:47):
how are you?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Oh? Not too bad? Tough David, it's all good.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Push through.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
How big of an impact will this have on the community.
What happens to these families?

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, it's an absolute nightmare. I mean, we leave a
you know, we leave a huge gap in the community,
and we just we've got to try to work alongside
and make sure that we can connect families into other
social services. There are services out there that that get
the line share of the funding, but they're not as
high profile and out there as us, so you know,

(05:20):
they should be quite easy if you need the help,
that's where they are, just like we are. But yeah,
so look, people are saying, well, how does it feel
to help so many? It feels great, But now it's
the double edged sword because it feels it feels really bad.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
You know, I've tooked up a few times when I
think about where where the family is going to go.
So yeah, across that bridge.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Look but Dave, you're helping. You are still helping in
so many ways, you know that.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, Look, we have to focus on the on the
hand up stuff that we're doing. We continue on with
all the programs that we run, the health programs, you know,
the employment programs and all that type of stuff. So yep,
that's where we're heading. And we pivoted in COVID to
get into the space, and now we have to pivot again.
Otherwise it could will just sink everything.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
And is that that's why you're pivoting, so that you
don't lose everything. You can still keep those other programs running.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, Otherwise you know there's going to be you know,
across our organization, twenty staff that will be finished. So
you know, if I look at our trust account, you
know we have which I think is typical at the moment,
we have about three months if things would have stopped,
we have about three months we could keep going, but
we'd have no months if we kept going with what
we're doing with the food share. So you know, I

(06:30):
mean I did this publicly as well because people need
to understand how tough. Charities and community groups are going
at the moment. You know, so many groups have already stopped,
not just stopped one part of the operation, they've stopped everything.
So there's all these people that are losing their jobs.
You know, you've got to all considering mission. They're struggling.
You know, got groups like that, groups like us. So
you know, if groups like us across the country stopped

(06:54):
because we can no longer continue, we are in deep
trouble in this country.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Dave, Is there any sign of a life coming through?

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I did have a you know, I've had one organization
reach out and say we could help cover your leaf.
That's through what you know, we've had the Wayne Brown's
office reached out and said how much do you need?
So some promising signs there, But at the same time,
I don't want to take funding off other groups. You know.
That's so I haven't had anything from the government yet.

(07:25):
I just think, look where we hear. Everything we do
actually aligns really well with you. But we are a
hand up and not becoming not having people become reliant
on handouts and working for you know, break cycles of poverty.
But we just can't, you know, we just can't get
in the door.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
So yeah, I mean to Dave, you know, if you
did get a lifeline, that it was for a short
period of time, do you actually want to take it?
I mean, to be honest, if you you sound tired,
this sounds like far too much hard work.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, I mean the last few years. I mean, you know,
you're trying to raise a million bucks every year for
one part of your organization. It's and then you think like, well,
you know, we do this for children, no matter what
people think of the parents, right, no matter what, it's
not the kid's fault. And that's what drives me. And
that's that's the thing that's just so disheartening, you know,
and that these issues, I mean, it's just such a

(08:17):
common sense approach. You just have to support the groups
on the ground having impact with no resource. But it's
a long term thinking. You can't fix these problems over
three years. It needs to be need to look at
it's okay, let's let's start now, invest now so things
are better for our grandchildren.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Do you think that this is just the start of
more closures? Is this the reality for food banks and
charities is just not enough grants to go around?

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (08:40):
I've had a lot of groups already closed, and that's
that's why I've done this publicly. A lot of group's
already closed. There's a lot of big groups are really struggling,
really struggling. And you know, he's a group you wouldn't
think of struggling like people would look at us and say, oh,
this guy's out there, has got a big brand. He
must just be rolling, And it's just the total opposite.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
So on, hey, look, I know it's been a tough
day for you, but thanks for everything you've done, and
thank you for your time today.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
That was Dave Letally there talking about the fact that
he can no longer sustain the costs of running his
food bank. He just sounds frustrated and exhausted by the
whole thing, doesn't he. Hurricane Milton has made landfall and
Florida over five point five million residents. We're told to evacuate.
Allison Petrowski is our Channel nine US correspondent. She is

(09:29):
in the ground on Florida. We are going to catch
up with her after five to get the latest. But
up next a massive Sean Johnson News It a sixteen
pass four.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither Dupers Allen
Drive with one new zealand one giant leaf for business,
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Speaker 2 (09:54):
Nick Bewley will be with us tonight at seven pm,
a host of sports talk, and he joins me, now,
how are you doing that?

Speaker 6 (10:00):
Good a Francesca, you very well? How are you good?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Thank you? Were you expecting this news about Shawn Johnson.

Speaker 6 (10:06):
No, it's goort me completely off guard. In fact, so
much so.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
I was preparing for a completely different show, but those
plans pretty much out the window now for seven o'clock tonight. Look,
we got news about a couple of three hours ago
now that Jerome Hughes who was awarded the NRAL dally
M Middle for the Year, which is effectively the highest
individual honor. He's the key, he's halfback and he's withdrawn
from the specific championships against Australia and Tonga through a

(10:33):
neck injury. This was just the latest setback for head
coach Stacy Jones, who was already without guys like Dylan
Brown and Kieren Forn who play in the halves. Shawn Johnson,
of course retired from the NRAL and the Warriors earlier
in the year. He had entered the media space and
podcast space relatively recently Francesca and he did say about

(10:53):
three or four weeks ago, I think it was if
Jerome Hughes was out, he might answer an his call.
And what do you know, three weeks later that very
soees call has come and he has answered it from
Stacy Jones. So Sean Johnson hasn't played for the Kiwis.
I think it's in since twenty nineteen, so this is
quite the comeback story. The farewell has another chapter and

(11:15):
I'm sure he'll unpack it all tonight.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
It's an interesting one.

Speaker 7 (11:18):
I think they have done the right thing, given there
are very little other options in the country. But the
other side of the coin too is they perhaps could
have gone to a young player within the squad and
said maybe we invest in youth and develop someone now
and they're better for it for the future now.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Nick Wimbledon is finally sort of, you know, getting into
the twenty first century. It's in twenty twenty four and
it's decided to join pretty much all the other Grand
Slam tournaments except for the French Open, and they're turning
to technology and getting rid of their line calls, their
human line calls.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
Yeah, I feel like this is a little bit sad
in a way, like it's just a part of history
and the tradition of Wimbledon cne those very well dressed
line umpires, they're calling faults and out calls. But yes,
as you say, Francisca, getting with the rest of the
sporting world in terms of the technology landscape with hawkeye.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
So next year the.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
Twenty twenty five edition of Wimbledon won't have line judges
will use hawkeye. That they joined the Australian Open and
US Opens. They went into that in twenty twenty one
and twenty twenty two respectively. The French openers you alluded to,
that's the only one that still relies on the human eye,
although the surface being clay obviously helps with the Marx
left from the tennis ball there. But it's just the

(12:37):
latest I suppose in a chapter where your technology is
completely taken over and we're just going to be run
by robots of ANU.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, well, think of think of the num number of
people who won't be abused or get a ball sort
of in the head or true, you know.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
That's happening at them. That's what we were having fun
with this morning.

Speaker 7 (12:55):
Actually we'll never have a John McEnroe you cannot be
serious moment again, or that's Serena Williams outburst. Look it's yeah,
they've got nothing to complain about that. The accuracy is
ninety nine point nine.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Looking forward to the show tonight, Nick, thank you for
joining us. That was Nick Buley. He it will be
with you at seven pm on Sports Talk. And I
am actually really interested to hear from Shawn Johnson fans
whether they're really excited about this news that they're going
to see him hit the field again, or had you
kind of moved on? It is a twenty two past four.
You're with News Talks at.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
BE digging deeper into the day's headlines. It's Francesca Runkin
on Heather do for see allan drive with One New
Zealand let's get connected use.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
Talks at B.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I thank you for your text this afternoon. Love Davidlahtally,
big heart. But socialism doesn't work. Change tech and get
people working it into jobs that'll fix it. I believe
he does that as well Francisco, it's a pretty costco
and Woolworths didn't match food stuff support of Dave and
his food bank. Obviously, the overseas corporate owners don't care
as much as our Key, we fam, our key, we
family owners of food stuffs who donated overall six million

(13:58):
meals last year. Thanks Jill on the Poking horn case
a text here. The pokinghorn case should not be immediately dramatized.
It is an extremely sad case. There are many family
members who have been affected making money out of someone's grief.
I'm really surprised that zd B was used this as
the topic. Well, I was actually just making your point
that you made. I also agree with you. I don't
think we should be capitalizing on a family's grief and

(14:20):
also the tragic death of a woman. Thank you for
your feedback. Keep it coming, hey. Look, as you know,
the three missing Matracorpo children have been seen recently and
a pek hunter reported after his group ran across the
kids that one of them said, who knows we're here?
The mum believes Jada was crying for help? Have listened
to this?

Speaker 8 (14:41):
Is that a cry for help?

Speaker 9 (14:43):
Does anybody know that we're here, Is anybody coming for us?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
To me, that's what I think stuff though, spoke to
some peak hunters who recall it differently. Apparently one of
them said this is private property, to which Data responded,
yeah dah. Then the PEG hunters asked, does anyone know
you're here? And she said no, just you go. And
the mother said, you hope that the police would have
acted faster when they heard about the sighting.

Speaker 10 (15:05):
I expect them there instantly.

Speaker 9 (15:07):
I expect a helicopter to be deployed straight away with
heat seats, seeking equipment on it, sniffer dogs out there,
you know, while while the trail is fresh.

Speaker 11 (15:19):
Look.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
I really feel for this family. I feel for the
whole family that are probably very desperate to give those
kids a hug. How hard is it to find someone
in New Zealand. We we have excellent search and rescue
organizations in New Zealand. I'd love to hear from someone
who has experienced finding people in the bush. Should have
they been found? Quicker you with New Storks b.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
A, It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
The day's newsweaker is talked to Francesca First Francesca Rudkin
on Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected us talk as it.

Speaker 7 (15:56):
Be started with.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Dale's down Street.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
There's a party downtown near Peace Street.

Speaker 12 (16:05):
Everybody had barge.

Speaker 7 (16:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
It is all go and last for the New Zealand
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has confirmed he will hold a
meeting with India's Prime minister. This is good news. We're
going to talk about the significance of this later in
the hour and we'll also get the latest on the
state of the Manawanui. It is twenty four to five.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
It's the world wires on News Talks, it'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Hurricane Milton has officially made landfall in Florida.

Speaker 8 (16:36):
Yeah, this is that that you know.

Speaker 6 (16:38):
Being on the northern side of this storm, we got
the slop, we got so much more of the rain.

Speaker 13 (16:44):
Oh, let's push o where it goes the hat.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
And now it's really justin.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
That was a monster.

Speaker 12 (16:52):
That was That was a take your breath away, whoa
watch out, watch out.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
Now we're see signs starting to fly.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Boys back up, back up, by going hit the feel
of it. Here's Governor Rohnda Santis and his message to locals.

Speaker 14 (17:03):
We have massive amounts of search and rescue equipment and
personnel standing by, and we hope that there's not a
big need for that, but we're prepared for that. Stay
put until the storm is passed. If you are in Sarasota, Manatee,
some of those areas where the eye of the storm
is going, it may be where things come down for
a minute, just understand that means you're in the eye.

(17:25):
It's going to go back and get really nasty.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Do the Middle East, where Biden and Nickna who have
held discussions a heat of the Israeli strike on around, Prime.

Speaker 10 (17:34):
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu discussed his plans with US President Joe
Biden by phone today before his defensive minister issued this
warning to tear on and.

Speaker 15 (17:44):
As we've done so far in the war in all
other fronts, those who attack us will be hurt and
will pay a price. Our attack will be lethal, preside
and above all surprising to.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
The campaign trail where Trump spent the day to grading
woo Be Goldberg and her use of foul language.

Speaker 13 (18:00):
I was with a group of people, like sort of
nice people, and we had to leave.

Speaker 16 (18:04):
She was so filthy, dirty, disgusting.

Speaker 11 (18:08):
Half the place left.

Speaker 16 (18:09):
I said I'd never hire again, but she was so dirty,
every word was filthy dirty.

Speaker 17 (18:14):
And I left and then I see her sitting about,
Oh whoopy, or what a loser she is?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
And finally, Canadian Canadian speed eater has added another world
record to his name by eating over a kilogram of
hot sauce and three minutes. Mike Jack, who holds the
multi Guinness World Records for speed eating and drinking, used
only a spoon to eat the Sarachi hot sauce in

(18:42):
the allocated time.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Astene, why would you International correspondence with ends and eye insurance,
peace of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
And Murray old storys us now from Australia. Good afternoon,
you're there, Murray.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Good friends.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yes, how are you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:04):
No, yeah, no, it's a bit of a dodgy lineer.
She will see. Well, we'll carry on us for a moment,
see if it improves. You've got a scandal involving the
chief of staff of the Defense Minister.

Speaker 18 (19:15):
Yeah, this is the acting Prime Minister. In fact, Richard
Miles is number two to Anthony Albanetsy and they need
this like heavenbody has the women problem here in Australia.
But apparently this is the most senior female chief of
staff in Federal Parliament. Her name is Joe Tanowski. She's
apparently very very well regarded. For some bizarre, unexplained reason,

(19:41):
she's been basically shut out of her office. She has
to give twenty fur or has noticed if she wants
to sit at a desk.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Okay, look, we actually we're gonna come back. We're going
to try and come back to you, Murray, because unfortunately
we just don't have a good line there, but we
will try and get back to me in just a moment.
And this training government is well, they're suggesting that governments
imposed a social media band for children under sixteen. We'll
see that conversation carries on. So I'm quite keen to

(20:11):
hear from Murray on that one. Hey, oh and he
is back, Murray, you're there. Hang on, let me just
click him a bus.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
Ye're very good out of the stay.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
So good to have you with us. Okay, So this
poor woman's locked out of her office, locked.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
Out of her office, needs to give notice to set
at a desk for goodness sake. And what's the defensive
this is doing about it? We'll buger all. According to
this woman who is a very very experienced, well regarded operator.
We don't know what this has been sparked by. We
know that earlier this year she was coming back from Ukraine.
He was there on an official visit. She was with him,

(20:47):
of course, as chief of staff, and she explained to
him that she felt she was being bullied in the office.
He said, made, I've got your back. And he's gone
missing and she's now calling on the Prime Minister to
do something about it. She said, listen, this is not
any sort of environment for women to work in. No
fair process has been followed and she wants something to

(21:09):
be done about it because she says it's completely unacceptable
for women to be treated this.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Way and murray, is anyone paying any attention to her?

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Look, Miles, the minister involved, says, listen, I'm not sure
what she's on about here. As far as we're concerned,
she's a good operator. There's going to be a whole
lot more on this. Don't worry about that now.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
The report has been handed down on the fatal helicopter
crash back in August.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
Yeah, it looks like this young chap from New Zealand,
twenty three year old Blake Wilson Blake Wilson. Mister Wilson
was a qualified pilot in the New Zealand helicopter pilot came
to Australia. It was not experienced flying at night and
he had not been appropriately licensed to fly here in Australia.
He was working up in Queensland in cans for an

(21:56):
aviation company and he had been there for I think
four and he was very well regarded. But on the
night that he died, he'd been celebrating with workmates. He
was about to get a promotion. He was going to
be posted out to the Barrier Reef. He's going to
be in charge of refueling operations out there for the company.
For reasons unexplained, they've had a few drinks. One thirty

(22:21):
in the morning, mister Wilson's gone out to Canns Airport,
used his pass to get in and taken a helicopter
and he's flown off towards the city of Cannes. The
short short flight, I mean very short flight. He was
upside down when he crashed into the roof of the
hotel and he died, and the wreckage of courser went
powering into a bedroom window and a couple inside there

(22:43):
were slightly injured, and so this inquire has been held
and basically it was death by misadventure, a.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Very sad story, but still sounds a little bit mysterious. Murray.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
Well, they think he was affected by alcohol when he
took the helicop and we're on an unauthorized flight in
the middle of the night. He had not flown that
night before. And know the way it's been phrased, it
looks like he might have been drunk. So not a
good mixture, not a very good mixture at all.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
So Murray, who is suggesting that government's impose a social
media band for children under sixteen?

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Well, governments at least the New South Wales government so
to the South Australian government, and both of these administrations
are hosting a summit here in Sydney. What can be
done about protecting young people from some of the content
you can get online is dreadful. Everyone knows that, I
mean everybody over the age of sixteen knows how shocking
the net can be. Is also the big issue of

(23:40):
bullying on the internet. Anyway, the two state governments are
having this summit meeting here in Sydney. They want the
federal government to introduce NASH legislation makes sense of a
couple of states are going to do it, why not
do it nationally, And the federal government does plan to
introduce some legislation before the end of the year. Basically,

(24:01):
the meeting has brought together academics, young people, mums and dads,
community voices, mental health experts. A survey out only this
week Francesca found three out of four young people teenage
kids here in New South Wales three out of four
are accessing information about mental health on the internet. So

(24:23):
and they are saying, listen, Without this, we've got no
access to any information. We can't go to mum and
dad and say listen, we're feeling really stressed out. We
can't go and see a doctor ourselves because we're not
old enough. And this is one way for us to
actually access information that we think we need. So where
this lands, I'm not altogether sure. I don't think the
government's sure either, but certainly the New South Wales premiere

(24:46):
Chris Men's is adamant there's got to be some sort
of guide Wales on internet access for young people.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Absolutely, and then when they are over when they turned sixteen,
you've also got to make sure that you'll explain to
them how do you use it and they don't just
fall into all the pitfalls that you've just explained.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yeah, I know that's true.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
It can be.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
It's obviously a great tool, but it can be also
extremely damaging in the wrong and the wrong inexperienced educated
as Locke Murray.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
If only we'd had more foresight when the whole thing
was created and we could have, you know, dealt with
this before it became a problem. But we just have
to keep moving forward, don't we. Yeah?

Speaker 5 (25:24):
Absolutely nice, thank you.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, thank you. Nice to catch up with you.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Up.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Next, we are going to talk to Sophie Trigger. She's
in last Worth, the Prime Minister, and he seems to
have a lot of meetings lined up, which is really
good news. We're going to sort of learn about what
we can expect from these meetings and the significant significance
of them. Next here on News Talks, he'd be it
is a fourteen to.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
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Speaker 2 (25:52):
Talks Here to be. Senior political reporter Sophie Trigger joins
us now from LAOS. Good afternoon, Calder, Francesca how are
you really good, Sophie. Hey, a meeting between Christopher Luxon
and India's Prime minister has been confirmed. This is good news.

Speaker 19 (26:06):
Yeah, this is a really significant one, Francisca. The first
time Chris Luxon has met with Prime Minister Narendra Mody,
although they have us connected over the phone in the past,
and Luckson's been very clear about his interest in ramping
up New Zealand's connection to India. Obviously, he hopes to
eventually secure a free trade agreement, as this was something
he promised on the campaign trail that he'd be able

(26:28):
to achieve within his first term. Now, no formal negotiations
have begun, but Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Trade
Minister Tom McLay have both visited India multiple times this year,
indicating New Zealand's very interested in this and negotiations also
won't be starting at today's meeting. Luxon told media about

(26:49):
an hour ago it will be more about making a
connection to Mody with a view to visiting India within
the first six months of next year. He also acknowledged
that in order to get a free trade agree this term,
which was of course the pre election pledge negotiations would
have to begin next year, making that visit to India
really crucial.

Speaker 11 (27:08):
Now.

Speaker 19 (27:09):
Luxon was of course also asked about how realistic and
ambitious and FTA with India actually is, and it did
seem a bit like he was trying to avoid saying
the words free trade agreement. He spoke instead about deepening
trading relationships, for example. But when pressed on that, he
did say that he's not backing away from that commitment.

Speaker 16 (27:30):
He's sticking to it.

Speaker 20 (27:31):
However ambitious it may be.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well, it's not really something you bring up at the
first meeting to try and get it there. Yes, sign
see of it? Is it a meeting? He's also been
locked in between Luxon and his Australian and Canadian counterparts.
What can we expect from this, Sophie.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 19 (27:48):
We are expecting a meeting within the coming hour actually
between three of the Five Eyes partners, so that's New Zealand,
Australia and Canada. Chris Luxon has a good relationship with
both Anthony Albanesi and Justin Trudeau, and the Trio have
issued a number of joint statements in the past year
around Israel, gar around the Israel Garza conflict and have

(28:10):
taken a strong stance on Israel at times. And this
week is of course a significant week in that we
are a year on from the October seven attacks that
reignited this conflict, and I'm interested to see what comes
out of this meeting and if we could see any
other kind of formal statement from this trio. Luxon said
today that's not necessarily the case, but it's always good

(28:30):
to get in a room and touch base on some
of these common ground issues when you have the chance.
Luxon told media the Trio are like minded and have
used this partnership particularly well in the past ten months
regarding the situation in the Middle East. And I think
it would also be interesting to see if this becomes
a block that will begin to kind of make statements
together on broader issues as well. There's obviously power in

(28:54):
speaking more collectively on certain things, and Luxon said himself, Anthony,
Anthony Albanezi and Justin Trudeau have common ground with him on.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
A lot of issues.

Speaker 19 (29:05):
So as I say, this meeting's taking place shortly this afternoon,
so I will have more to say on this later.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Thanks so much, Sophie, and just really quickly due to
the Collins has given an update on the Manawanui this afternoon.

Speaker 19 (29:17):
Yes, an update on the sinking of the Manawannui. We
had a press conference from the Defense Minister, Judith Collins
and Chief of Navy Rear Admiral Garran Golding this afternoon
and Collins had some really strong words for what she's
called armchair admirals and has labeled the abuse directed at
Commander Yvonne Gray as deeply misogynistic. She says the one

(29:39):
thing we know did not cause the sinking was the
gender of the ship's captain, and she's appalled to hear
women in uniform are being abused in the street because
of this incident.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
Now, on that Court.

Speaker 19 (29:50):
Of Inquiry, Golding said it would look at the sequence
of events leading up to the grounding, the grounding itself,
the loss of the ship, injuries, environmental impact, among other issues,
and the court would provide an interim report by mid November.
So we should know a lot more about what happened
in a bit over a month on that one.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Thanks so much, Sophie. That was Sophie Trigger News Talk,
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Speaker 2 (31:03):
Thank you very much for your feedback this hour. We
were talking about searching for the children, of course with
their father and the bush and I just made I
wanted to know, actually this is a job that sort
of landsa the search and rescued teams could do because
they're very, very good at what they do. Francisca Lancer
volunteers nationwide are very good and well trained as well
as police esare personnel. The difference between a normal search

(31:24):
and Tom Phillips is that he's armed and doesn't want
to be found, meaning that civilians landsa can't be used
and it has to be left to the police to
do the actual searching. Thank you for that, Sean, And yeah,
there's a few people here saying it will be a
five minute job for our very good essays trackers and
your people asking why they haven't been out there, and
that is the reason. As another text reason, I think
the police are in a very tricky situation. If this

(31:46):
goes bad and ends up with the death, there will
be huge public outcry. There is a lot of sympathy
from him, from parents and similar circumstances and custody custody
disputes and as somebody tells me, stay in your lane, lady,
stay in your lane. They're Tom's children and he can
do what he thinks best and maybe he should not
be returned to the mother. I was just making the
point there are also other people in those children's lives.

(32:07):
There are grandparents and extended family who would probably love
to give them a hug and know that they are okay.
I'm actually a fan of homeschooling. I don't mind as
a parent how you decide to raise your children and
whether they're homeschooled or what they do. But children also
need socializing. They also need to be around their peers
and other people. So there were sort of other other
things that play here that make me worry about about

(32:31):
these kids and how well they're doing. So that was
the sentiment that I was expressing there. But thank you
for your feedback. Keep it coming. Ninety two. Ninety two
probably won't stay in my lane. I've never been very
good at that, if you ask my partner. Hey, coming
up after the News, we are going to head to Florida.
We've got a problem in Florida. Not only is Milton

(32:51):
has it hit landfall. Leslie is on its way in
as well from the Atlantic Ocean. It has just been
lifted to a Category two hurricane. This could be a
really really big issue for Florida. So we're going to
cover that off after News, which is next here on
News talks about.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
The only drive show you can trust. To ask the questions,
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Speaker 4 (33:41):
Talk Zi B.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Good to have you with us right. Hurricane Milton has
made landfall in Florida, with over five point five million
residents told to evacuate and officials calling the conditions unsurvivable.
Allison Petrowski is Channel nine's UIs correspondent on the ground
in Temper and she is with us now. Good evening, Yeah,
good evening to you. Francesca.

Speaker 20 (34:04):
I'm just hiding at the moment in my hotel room
in Tampa, getting away from the back end of this storm,
which is still roaring through Melton, still raining down very
much so on the Gulf coast of Florida.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
What is the latest that you can tell us from
your room.

Speaker 20 (34:20):
The latest I can tell you is that one point
five million people without power at the moment. I've sat
through a couple of blackouts on and off here in
the last hour hour or so. And look, we've seen
record rainfall. So Saint Petersburg, which is one of the
cities just to the southwest of me, about ten kilometers away.
It received sixteen inches of rain in the storm, eight

(34:43):
inches of them in two hours, which makes it a
one in one thousand year rain event. I've sat through
a few of these storms Francesca here on the Golf coast.
The wind wasn't particularly bad. It got up to about
one hundred and ninet kilometers an hour. Was a pretty
sustained Category three storm, not the worst that I've felt.
But the rain, it was relentless. It was a deluge

(35:06):
that did not stop. It is bucketed down for a
good seven or eight hours. And the backside of that
is that we wait to see what the flooding looks like,
because normally when these hurricanes passed, we see a storm
surge afterwards. And that is the big fear where I
am in Florida, in Tampa, Florida, where there were originally
storm surges forecast of up to twelve fourteen feet, so

(35:28):
you'd imagine that's you know, higher than the first story
of most buildings. So everyone was told to kind of
stay above the second floor of whatever hotel or whatever
residential tower you were staying on, and keep an eye
on and hope for the best.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Oh, that's really interesting. So even when the winds die
down and the rain eases a little bit, Ellison, you
don't just sort of hit out and go, and you know,
as seist the situation, you have to be really aware
of that, of that storm.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Okay, things don't just go back to normal.

Speaker 20 (35:58):
Yeah, sometimes it can take hours. In fact of that,
you know, seventy two hours later the storm sturge surge
really start to rise up.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
It's an interesting phenomenon.

Speaker 20 (36:06):
And I guess these Floridians who ride out so many
of these hurricanes, they are very used to it. But
for us Aussies and for Kiwi's, it's definitely something that
we're not used to seeing.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I think first responders still suspended.

Speaker 20 (36:20):
They are, and it's complicated here where I am in Tampa.
The storm has died down enough that they can get
around if need be. But when it comes to those
barrier islands along the Gulf coast, those beautiful, beautiful islands
which are removed from the mainland and only connected by road,
those bridges were shut down a good ten hours ago

(36:41):
and they are yet to reopen. They and those residents
on those islands who decided to ride it out, they
were warned, Hey, have enough supplies for a week, have
enough food and water for a week, because it may
take us that long to get to you. So they
had that warning. A few of them did decide to
write it out and hopefully they are not in need
of aid, because, yeah, you're right, emergency services won't be
able to get through to them until we know the

(37:03):
extent of the damage. Until the sun comes up, which
is still many many hours away, we won't really know
if anyone needs help there and the true extent of
Milton's force on that side of Florida.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, it's a waiting game, isn't it. Do you know
how many people have ignored evacuation orders?

Speaker 20 (37:20):
No, we don't have an exact number. There was an
estimate around today from Tampa officials saying that they believe
ninety eight percent of the county here had successfully evacuated.
Being on the ground yesterday, I was on Treasure Island,
one of those barrier islands. I went there because it
was hit by Hurricane Helene less than two weeks ago,
and because of that, most residents said to me that

(37:41):
they were a big gun shy. They didn't want to
go through a second storm this close together. That to
them was unprecedented, no matter how many storms they had seen,
so they decided to move. I did talk to a
handful that decided to stay, a retired firefighter who told me, Hey,
I've sat through every one of these storms. I've lived
here for seventy years. I'm not leaving. I've built this house,
I've got a generate. I'll be fine. I do plan

(38:01):
to try and get to him tomorrow to see if
he's okay. But that is the kind of attitude that
we tend to see from Floridians because they are so
used to these hurricanes every single summer, absolutely hammering them
along that coast.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Allison, just quickly, how do you feel about Hurricane Leslie,
which has just been turned into a Category two storm
off the coast in the ocean there hitting your way.

Speaker 20 (38:27):
Well, I've purposely put my blinkers on franchise.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Okay, or one hurricane at a time.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Yes, correct, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 20 (38:37):
Look, I think everyone is so swept up with what
Hurricane Milton is doing right now that Leslie is an afterthought.
That sometimes is dangerous thinking, though, because often the ones
are a little bit of small Category ones, category twos, they
can suddenly ferociously explode into something much bigger. But let's
leave that for a problem for night Dog.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Allison, you worry about Milton, I'll worry about Leslie for you.
Thank you so much for your time. Was Allison Trowski.
She is the Channel nine reporter in Florida. It is
twelve past five, Francisco, right. The government's financial books have
sunk further into debt. In the year to June. Treasury
has revealed the deficit on the Crown books deepened by
three point four billion dollars. It was also one point

(39:17):
eight billion dollars worse than Treasury forecast in the May budget.
Nikola Willis is the Minister of Finance and she is
with us now. Good afternoon, Nicola, thank.

Speaker 22 (39:26):
You for being with us. Great to be on the show.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
What's your reaction to these numbers?

Speaker 22 (39:32):
Well, look, this just underscores the need for the government's
ongoing efforts to restore discipline to public spending. Where we
were elected on a mandate of tidying up the books,
for storing a bit more respect for tax payers money
and getting New Zealand back into a more sustainable financial position,
and these numbers underscore why that is so necessary. Of course,

(39:52):
they relate to the year that's passed, during which a
very important event happened, which was a change of government
and taking a much more disciplined path going forward.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
What is driving this? What are the expenses the main ones?

Speaker 22 (40:06):
Well, look, there's been a real build up in the
amount of spending that the government does as a proportion
of the overall economy. That's increased dramatically in recent years,
adding one hundred and eighteen billion dollars to New Zealand
government debt in just five years. And that's what happens

(40:27):
when people are all disciplined about the spending choices they make.
We've sent significant growth across the public sector. We've seen
lots of spending going in lots of different directions, and we've
come in and seeing that is not sustainable. Essentially, we're
spending more than we earn, that we are living beyond
our means, and just like any household or business, we

(40:49):
need to get those books back in balance. And we've
seen in New Zealanders we've seen that does involve some
task decisions. It does mean we can't say yes to
everything that we want to. At the same time, we
can drive investment where it's needed by pulling our belt
in on the things that are less necessary.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Minister, can can you just keep cutting? Is that the
way we're going to counter it?

Speaker 22 (41:11):
Well, we've made a pledge that we will continue to
invest more in the health system and every single budget
that we deliver more funding will go into our schools.
We're going to keep funding those important frontline services. But
what that requires from us is that we keep looking
across all of the spending that the government does to say, well,
where's it being wasted? Where's it not going to a

(41:32):
good use, where is it not actually delivering good outcomes
for the New Zealanders it's meant to serve. And so
as committed for as long as I'm Finance Minister, I
expect every public agency, every minister, every day to be
looking at where's the money not delivering really for tex
Player because if we can put that money into a
school or a hospital, we should do.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
You regreet to the tax cuts, the tax cuts in
light of.

Speaker 22 (41:55):
This absolutely not. You know, you can't operate as a
government by saying we'll just spend waiver we want and
then more treat taxpayers like a bottomless atm who can
keep funding that and that was essentially the approach of
the last government. They allowed the amount of tax that
New Zealanders we're paying to increase dramatically and that was
hitting working people. And my view is that every family,

(42:19):
every household, knows how to spend their money after their
best studs, and as a government we need to respect
that our tax cuts were modest.

Speaker 23 (42:27):
They just restored a bit of balance.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
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(43:41):
high profile murder trial in which Philip Pokinghorn was found
not guilty of murdering his wife Pauline Hannah, is set
to be turned into a drama series. Development of the
dramatized storytelling was announced today by South Pacific Pictures. This
comes after veteran documentary maker Mark McNeil confirmed he is
creating a three part documentary series of the trial. Donald

(44:01):
Mathisone is a professor of media and communications at Canterbury University,
and he is with me now, good afternoon, Donald, I
sure do we need another project retelling this story?

Speaker 24 (44:15):
It seems a weava early, and I know that media
organizations are really keen to get in quite early to
grab the story before someone else does, and also before
interest in it wings, But it feels to me too soon.
After the trial after Owen Hannah's death, thinking of all
the people who have caught for the trauma of the

(44:36):
trial and then the inquest, and then they'll be this
dramatization coming out soon after. So that feels to me like,
you know, if you're profiting from other people's suffering, you
need to leave a bit of time to that so
that that's suffering.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Lessons are weaver, I couldn't agree with you more. Is
there a risk of defamation or an accuracy with media
projects like.

Speaker 24 (44:58):
This if they stick close to the material that was
raised in the court. I suppose they are. You know,
they'll they'll have people looking closely at that. There was
a lot of material for them to look at, then
maybe they'll be okay. I think the worry is more
that it's kind of relitigating the trial, and I think

(45:21):
that has to be quite a big public interest in
doing that. You know, evidence that hasn't been heard or
things that haven't been dealt with adequately in the trial,
and then there's a case for someone to come in
and and do a public investigation into into the story
or a dramatization. But I haven't heard any any statement

(45:43):
like that from the from the publicity that's come out.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
I mean we still have a coronial inquiset to go to,
don't we. The trial was quite literally live bloged from
the court room. What were your thoughts on the ethics
of media coverage like this.

Speaker 24 (45:56):
Yeah, there's always a risk when you're when you're life
blogging or live covering a trial, that you'll be focusing
on the things that have been said in the moment
and not putting them into the context of each other.
And so you're throwing a whole lot of details at
people without putting them into context, and that doesn't you know,
there's a risk to probably understanding of the story there.

(46:20):
I mean, judges have got the capacity to restrict that.
It's worried that something might be said and name suppressed,
and that if it was being covered live, that that
could go out and for the suppression at risk. But
I think the big issue is that it's it can

(46:42):
get a bit viuristic. It's about the excitement of hearing
things live rather than understanding the justice process in action.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Tonal, thank you so much for your thoughts. Appreciate it.
That was Donald Mathison, Professor of Media and Communications at
Kenterbury University. I just received a text saying Francesca, interesting,
sixteen inches of rain is for dred milimeters and that's
what had hit Tampa. In Gabrielle we measured seven hundred
millimeters and fifteen hours in Hawks Bay. Thank you for
that text, Mark. I was thinking about that actually as

(47:10):
I was talking to Allison. Good to hear maybe not
so much wind in Florida. A lot of rain. Of course,
there was still so much debris lying around from Helene
and that was a big concern in the wind. I mean,
I'm sure a lot of it has moved around, but
it is a bit of a waiting game there to
really see what the impact has been. It is twenty
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Speaker 1 (47:32):
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Francesca Ruskin on hither Duper c Ellan Drive with one
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Speaker 2 (47:42):
Thank you for your feedback, Hi, Franchisca. I think this
Polkinghorn documentary idea is absolutely disgraceful. They have no compassion
for Hannah's family. I for one will not be watching it. Well,
there's the documentary and now there's going to be a
limited drama series on it as well, so you'll be
able to watch the court case unfold again, and then
you'll be able to what the dramatized version where a
bit of creative license will be put in place. You know,

(48:04):
I tend to look I agreed with what Donald's here before,
give it time in time. It's so much easier to
take these things on board, isn't it more. Texian Nicola
Willis continues to convene. You forget COVID, what it cost
every government who was empowered at the time, and it's
inevitable effect on successive governments. Thanks Bill, Even though our
debt has got worse, still all for what Willis has done.

(48:26):
Could you imagine how much worse we would be if
labor got in? Thank you, muz. And another one here
back talking about the missing children in the book, Tom
has robbed and stolen things. It's right to worry about
these kids. The kids have no social interaction in the
girls will need personal care products and probably bit of guidance.
And all those kids are not getting any form of
measurable education, which will set them back. Thank you very

(48:50):
much for that. Hey, coming up shortly, we're going to
talk about Wellington Council. Willington Wellington City councilors have voted
against selling the airport shares. What does this mean for
their long term plan? We're going to talk about that
shortly your Newstalk zb.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. It's Francesca Runkin on
hither Duperzy Alan Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected.
News Talk Zedbay.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Will you I will be your love? You're with news
Talk ZEDB. It is twenty four to six. We're going
to get some new data tomorrow morning around immigration and
it could be more bad news, more key wes leaving
and fewer migrants coming. So we're going to cover that
off with New Zealand Herald Business Editor at Large Liam
Dan after six this evening, Hey, it's been Fat Beer Week.

(50:00):
Ever heard of this. I've been a fan of this.
I've been following this for a few years. You know
how we have Bird of the Year, it's our thing. Well,
in Alaska they have Fat Bear Week and I tell
you what it does. It does great things for Alaska
and I am am proud to say that for the
second year in a row a brown bear named one,
two eight, because they're all got numbers. Grazer has won

(50:21):
the fat Bear contest at Catmai National Park and Preserve,
and she also got her revenge. It was a little
bit of a pity vote because this summer a large
male cub, a large male killed her cub, which was
just horrible. And so Graser bet that bear who was
named Chunk by more than forty thousand votes. That was

(50:45):
cast by fans who watched these live cameras at explore
dot org. And that's what I want to get round
saying that a partner. It's very exciting we have our winner.
They do this before and after photos. Basically that's what
they do, and you pick the bear you best believe
exemplifies winter preparedness by the fat that they've accumulated over
the summer feeding on the salmon that returned to Brooks River,

(51:08):
which is home to some of the largest brown bears
in the world, as they ready themselves for hibernation. So
basically they're looking for the bear that's called the fattest,
and you reward them. But here's the great thing. If
you love cat videos, but you'd quite like your you know,
your videos of the of the Animal Kingdom to have
a little bit more Jeopardy involved. You know, Paul Cub's

(51:29):
been killed various other things. Then go and have a
look at a sport dot org. There are live cameras
and you actually get to watch these bears sitting in
these rivers playing catching salmon. It is absolutely stunning. I
can understand and see I can totally understand and see
why this has been just such an amazing thing for Alaska. Although,

(51:51):
just like Bird of the Year, has its controversies, Fat
Bear Week also had to be pushed back a week
because there was a fire between two brown bears at
the National Park which left one dead, and unfortunately this
was captured on the live stream. So just just remember
that when you sit down with your kids this weekend

(52:11):
and go look at this these incredible bears in Alaska.
Just just in the back of your mind, you want
to keep that in check. But congratulations to one two
eight Grazer who's taken out the title fat Bear for
a second time in a row. It is a twenty
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are you good? Thank you? And David Faraki we blog
Anchory Upholster. Hi David. Oh hey, look, I just want
to throw this out to the two of you. I've
made it really clear. I don't need to see anything
more about the Pokinghorn trial for a while. I think
that Pauline Hannah should just be allowed to rest in

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peace for a little while. They stood her family and friends.
I don't need to see a documentary in a hurry,
and I don't need to see a dramatization. You might
feel very differently. You might be right up for it, Mikey.

Speaker 13 (53:12):
No, Look, I tend to agree. It just sort of
feels it feels too soon. Look, I know it's been
a highly interesting case and a lot of people followed
it very closely, and it's been a very salacious case
as well, I guess.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
In many ways.

Speaker 13 (53:31):
But look, you know, I think these sorts of issues
are normally revisited a bit further down the track. I
think people who make films and documentaries on such cases
tend to provide a bit of space for everyone to
sort of absorb what's happened. It just feels unseemly rapid
to be talking about a program at this early stage.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Would you watch one? Would you watch a dramatization or
the doc o' David?

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Yeah, Lock Eye Wall. It is a bit too early.

Speaker 25 (54:00):
Inevitable they were going to do one because it has
probably the two elements that appeal genuine debate in the
community about who did it, But like the David Bain case,
Peter Ellis, etcetera, and of course, as Mike said, very salacious, etcetera.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
So it was inevitable.

Speaker 25 (54:17):
But it is a bit bad taste to like you
have already started effectively before the trial's over. What does
interest me, though, I have to say, is going to
be the casting who will play medicine action.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah, you're sucked in, aren't you? You can't wait.

Speaker 26 (54:37):
Fair enough?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Gentlemen, I'd like to talk to you about Wellington City
councilors this afternoon. They're voted against selling the airport shares.
This is going to have quite an impact on their
long term plan. How tricky is this going to make things?

Speaker 8 (54:47):
Mike, Uh, yeah, it is going to be tricky, And
and I felt the sort of case that was made
for you for selling the shares and setting sorry selling
the shareholding and setting up the investment fund, the perpetual fund,
it sort of made sense.

Speaker 13 (55:04):
I mean, Wellington faced enormous risks in this regard, and
I think the case was made previously that that Gelling
cheerholding was going to help fund that idea. I think
in the ends of politics took over the Labor and

(55:26):
Green Party machines have got pretty active on this, and
I think that the you know, they whipped into line
their counselors. So I think, yeah, it's unfortunate because there
was a good economic case in terms of well Eason's
future for going ahead with the sale.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah, the vote was narrow nine to seven against the sale.
Where do you think this leaves the council.

Speaker 25 (55:48):
David probably facing either rates going up or having to
cut spending elsewhere.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
But the big worry is the resilience.

Speaker 25 (55:58):
A former airport director Paul Release, must make really good case,
which is a lot the council needs some capital for
when there's something like a big earthquake. Of its commercial
investments is tied up in this minority state in the
airport and what asset is probably going to plummet and
venue after an earthquake the airport because no one's going

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to be flying in or out for months, and the
airport itself could well be damaged.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
So if the whole purpose.

Speaker 25 (56:24):
Is resilience, then it's a very bad investment to have. So, yeah,
it is a pity it didn't happen, and I think
the council has a real problem working out where to
go now.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yeah, it's going to be well. Look, I mean Wellington
certainly provides us with the Wellington City Council definitely provides
us with an awful lot of entertainment.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Mic.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
We just never quite know how it's all going to unfold,
do we.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Community Brown it makes him look so good.

Speaker 25 (56:53):
Wayne must like right letters to Wellington every week.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Because but by comparison, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Do you know what I had. I can't remember what
we were talking about the other day, but someone did
text me and just say could you just send Wayne down?
And I was like, yeah, okay.

Speaker 15 (57:12):
I get it, but you might.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I don't know whether you'll be happy about that when
he arrives waiting. So let's talk about Community Advocate Dave Lettely,
who's had to shut down his South Auckland food bank.
He just cannot sustain it. You know, he's feeling pretty
down about having to let these families down. But I
mean it's also sort of says a lot about where

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we're at for a lot of charities and things, doesn't it, David.
It's just tough.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Yeah, great on them.

Speaker 25 (57:42):
What he has done has been amazing, and it is
really sad that the support from corporate is something there
like it used to if you look for silver lining.
He did say a number of families accessing the services
dropped from a thousand to a couple of hundreds. But
let's not be There's always going to be people who
need food banks, etc.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
So it's just a matter of hoping that the other
providers out there, like the missions, etc. Can step up.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Is this what is this a job for community advocates
like Dave Mike?

Speaker 4 (58:20):
Well?

Speaker 13 (58:20):
Look, the good thing about well, I shouldn't really say
a good thing. What I would point out is that
in South Auckland there are a lot of food banks.
I actually got online the South to munt check the
distribution in South Auckland, and there's about ten or a
dozen food banks scattered through that region, which just tells
you something about the sort of number of people in
that area of requiring help, and it just underlines the

(58:43):
inequality in our society is really impacting on an area
like South Auckland. I think the service littally was providing
was you know, it was a tremendous one, but as
David pointed out, demand for his particular service has fallen
off in recent times. I think Littelly has always been
us of a larger than life figure because his sporting background,

(59:04):
his dad's sort of mungol and mob connections, et cetera.
So there's always going to be a lot more focus
I guess on David Telly's service in South Aukrind but.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
That I wouldn't A lot of charity is doing it tough.

Speaker 13 (59:16):
Well they are, Yeah, I mean that they are doing
it tough, and I guess it just as I say,
underlines the real inequality issues that we still haven't addressed
properly in this country. We shouldn't have to we shouldn't
have to rely, shouldn't have to rely on so many
food banks picking up the slack like that.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
But it's just a factive life and we've got.

Speaker 13 (59:38):
To find a better way of making sure that they
can provide their service, you know, efficiently and comprehensively.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
You're with the Huddle. We're going to take a quick
break at is A fourteen.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
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elevate the marketing of your home.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Yes, you're with the Huddle. And I guess and Mike
Munroe and David Farrer, David. I just I woke to
the Minister of Finance, Nichola Willis, and I asked her
if if you take a look at the government's financial books,
which have sunk further into debt, whether she was still
whether she regretted the text cuts and she said no, no, no,
no no. Do you think she might be I.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
Don't think so.

Speaker 25 (01:00:16):
No, not her old lock twelve years of stealth tax
increases that they had to be offering people something and
you can disagree over that numbers, but they did make
some cut s elswhere.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
But what we now have is I've just been looking
at the numbers.

Speaker 25 (01:00:34):
We're paying ten billion dollars a year in interest on
the debt that's built up over the last twenty years
or so, and think of what you could do with
that ten billion dollars if you weren't seeing it to
banks and overseas lenders.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Et cetera. So yeah, you can get into a virtuous circle.

Speaker 25 (01:00:54):
They get back into surplus and they start paying the
debt down. Then the interest payments stared dropping. You have
more money for health education. So there's a switching point
where you go from really tough to actually things become
easier from a fiscal point.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Were you surprised by those numbers, Mike, I mean we've
been we've been hearing about what's happening to health New Zealand.
We know that there have been higher acc claims, gost
all sorts of things. I wasn't hugely surprised, were.

Speaker 13 (01:01:21):
You No, I wasn't, And I think I think Nicola
Willis is now discovering the sort of grim realities of
her job. You know, there's enormous cost pressures in the economy,
and I've been there for a long time. Robertson struggling
to deal with them in the latter days the labor
government and now Nicola Willison's sort of inherited them. You know,

(01:01:41):
government expenses have gone up by I think it was
eleven percent over the last year and revenue has only
gone up by nine percent, and therein lies the problem.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
These enormous pressures.

Speaker 13 (01:01:52):
Are just making it very very hard to get on
top of the deficit. And I disagree with David around
the tax cuts. I do think they were a good
idea at the stage. I mean, the government has to
commit fourteen billion dollars those tax cuts over the next
four years, and that money would have gone a long
way to easing the problems elsewhere in the economy. I
know that national government's always dangled the sort of the

(01:02:14):
tax cuts policy in front of voters come election time,
but I just think they didn't really take account of
the enormous pressures and the problems that they were facing
when they came into government ten twelve months ago. So
I think that they're now been demonstrated to have been
a very rash move.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
David, how does this impact the deadline for returning to
the government books returning the government books to surplus In
twenty twenty seven, that was sort of a was announced,
but now it feels a bit more like a casual chat.

Speaker 25 (01:02:47):
Well, it technically doesn't impact it because it's about the year.
It's me as Mike says, you've got these massive cost
pressures there.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
The best way is actually economic grown.

Speaker 25 (01:03:00):
If you've got the economy grown at three percent, not
in recession or one percent, text revenue grows, it grows
fast and expenses that's how you get back into it.
So what they've actually just announced this week, which is
the fast track projects. If they actually passed that bill
and they get fifty one hundred projects and centered and

(01:03:23):
construction starting on them, there is the s stuff that
is actually gained to help them get there. But if
you don't have the economic growth, it becomes really hard.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Absolutely, Thank you both very much, Mike Monroe and David Farrer.
And next hour we will have been McNaughty with us
Wellington City councilor to talk about that vote today that
took place. The councilors voted against selling the airport shares.
So he will be with us just after six. It
is seventy six on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Your smart speaker, on the iHeart alf and in your
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Talk zebby.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Thank you for your feedback this out. Hi, I'm zeb
I'm enjoying my national text cut and new childcare subs.
It's a meaning we can buy more groceries and take
the kids out more. Thank you, Ben. The only street
to Wellington is Tory Funer i e. Bordeaux Bakery, Thornton
Key or whatever key. As I am a transient contributor,
her equivalent was just Sindra A Durnham Grant Robertson and

(01:04:26):
look how they've screwed New Zealand. Look at a Tago
University rating on a world basis, well done, Grant. If
you look at criminal negligence, consider An Robertson and Funo
Torium high zedby a big win for Wellington today keeping
ownership of our airport. It's time to send in the
commissioners to sort this council out. The possibility I might

(01:04:52):
have as you can probably hear a bit of a
struggle with the voice today, just coming out of the
end of a cold and when I said Polkinghorn, I
might have just slightly said it differently, which would have
turned into quite a yeah one of those which yeah,

(01:05:13):
it was just purely sort of trying to get the
voice out there. But that gave a few of you
a laugh. So thanks for your decks on that one. Hey,
we talk a lot about scams, don't we, And we
talk a lot about how banks can be stepping up
to put another layer of protection into help pass, just
to make sure that we don't make a mess of things.

(01:05:34):
And I'm really pleased to say that next month the
banks are going to introduce a confirmation of PAYE system.
It's going to be fully in place by easter of
next year. It's going to affect your app, online banking.
It's going to affect when you do banking at the branch.
Every time you make a transaction, it is going to
it's going to check that the person you're sending it

(01:05:55):
to and their number are correct, that they align. So
it just then allows you to double check you're sending
it to the right person and yes, that is their account. Look,
it's not going to stop stop all scams, is it. Still?
We still have to play a large part in this
and and use our noggins. But it is great to

(01:06:16):
see the banks are doing something about this. So we
will be talking about this after six pm. Coming up next,
We've got news you with news talks a b.

Speaker 8 (01:06:28):
When you're not here, win me, I'm falling a falling
and fun.

Speaker 25 (01:06:36):
Can you see.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
You're talking on your freaking the lesson? What's down on?
What were the major calls and how will it affect
the economy of big business? Questions on the Business Hour

(01:07:09):
with Francesca Rudkin and My Hr on NEWSTALKSTB.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Good to have you with us. Shortly we're going to
talk to New Zealand Herald Business Editor at Large Liam
Dan about immigration. We get new data tomorrow morning and
it could be more bad news, more kiwis leaving and
a fewer migrants coming. Jamie McKay is going to join
us this our host of the Country. He's going to
talk about Federated Farmers Southland and why they're calling for

(01:07:35):
local farmers to boycocout fish and game and remove fishing
access from their land. And of course we'll be heading
to the UK at the end of the hour right
Wellington City councilors have voted against selling the Airport shares.
Council currently owns a thirty four percent stake in Wellington
Airport and the shares needed to be sold in order

(01:07:56):
to make its recently adopted long term planned viable. The
vote was narrow nine to seven against the sale, So
what does this mean for the council now, Wellington City
Councilor Been McNulty joins me.

Speaker 23 (01:08:08):
Now, thanks for being with us, ben Culor Francesca, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Are you happy with the outcome?

Speaker 23 (01:08:13):
I am ecstatic?

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Why this so?

Speaker 23 (01:08:18):
In June when we passed our long term plan, there
was already a public on the record majority of councilors
who said, actually, no, we don't want to perceive the
sale of our airport shares as part of the long
term plan. Any opportunity for the councilor to express However,
in a vote that opposition was nine to us and
we've tried to that's actually the fourth time we've tried

(01:08:39):
since June the R and E. I looved up to
the flight path right now and there's a plane over me.
The fourth time since Juon that we have tried to
bring a vote on this issue. And today we have
just reaffirmed what could have been done in June. And
it actually the support's not there at council. It's time
to call it quit.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
To move on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Okay, good to have you say. Did you expect it
to be as narrow as it was?

Speaker 23 (01:09:00):
But I was always confident that we had the numbers.
You know, from an early point on we had a
majority at council who have for very different ideological reasons.
We had a little bit of I called it the
unholy coalition, but we still all made it clear that
we did not believe the sale of the airport shares
at this time was warranted more justified.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Okay, Ben, So what does this mean for the long
term plan?

Speaker 23 (01:09:20):
Yes, so fortunately Vermayor has been in the statement that
she is not going to try and relitigate the airport
issue because it could have gone on and gotten a
lot mess here. So what this means now is that
we do need to go back to Wellingtonians and look
at our issues. Clearly there's some need for spinning cuts
has been addressed that we will need to put to

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Wellingtonians and that will go through consultation and we all
have a look at prioritizing what's really important for the
rest of traying and what's not so important, and we'll
usk Wellingtonians for review and next year we will pass
the annual plan in June and that will incorporate no
sale of the airport whilst changes to the budget. That
we need to do to move forward is it going

(01:10:03):
to have an impact on rates. This is Look, it's
a good question. At this point, we're not sure remembering
selling the airport would have had an impact on rates
because the airport's returned around ten to eleven percent consistently,
where the estimates that are a fund would do about
eight percent. So we're actually we're going to establish a
shortfall in our rates funding by moving the asset from
the airport into a perpetual investment fund. So there is

(01:10:25):
a possibility that there could be some rates impacts, but
there'll be hard decisions in front of counselors, things that
really test us. But that's a conversation. I think most
swelling Tonians expect us that we should have already had
and we will be happy moving forward.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Then I can I can you know, I hear your
frustration about the way the whole decision has been made
in the process. Do you think there are still concerns
about how this decision makes counsel look and this process
that you've been through, Well, laughing top, you.

Speaker 23 (01:10:52):
Know, I can't really express it any different than us.
We do a resident satisfaction, so they broken down by
the words, So I represent the Norman suburbs of Whaling
and my ward had the lowest satisfaction of any of
the five wards in Wellington nine percent of people that
proved of the way council makes this decision. So I've
been acutely aware that the way we've been going about
things has not been appropriated and has not brought the
community with us. At the same time, there has been

(01:11:15):
overwhelming opposition from the community to this proposal, and I
hope that they see today actually counselors can come together
and listen to the community and put forward something that
the community wants to see, which in this case was
no sale of the shares, and we might just start
the journey of rebuilding that trust. It is a year's
journey to happen. But if we just put one top
forward today, then I said, that is a sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Ben, Look, I really appreciate your time this evening. Thank
you very much. Were you coming to us from a
bood avery?

Speaker 7 (01:11:41):
Ah?

Speaker 23 (01:11:42):
No, this is this is the beauty of Wellington and
real world. In our population with two indu trees, you know,
it is a beautiful city and despite the fundamentals, we
are a great place to live. So you're hearing all
the native Wildlife.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
I thought you had a soundtrack on behind you been
that's lovely. Thank you very much, lovely to hear the birds.
Coming up next, Liam dan Is with us to talk immigration.
It is twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Dupice
Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the
HR platform for SME on newstalksb.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
New Zealand Herald Business Editor at Large. Liam dan Is
with me.

Speaker 11 (01:12:20):
Now, good evening, Hi, Francisca.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Hey, talking about immigration. We're going to get some new
data tomorrow morning. Ah yeah, could be good, could be bad.
Which way do you reckon is.

Speaker 26 (01:12:30):
Going to go well?

Speaker 16 (01:12:30):
I mean, I guess you can read migration and people do.
It's just very political. You can read it all sorts
of ways. It's going to be interesting. We're going to
see I guess, a continuation of a large number of
Kiwi's leaving I expect, and we're also going to see
probably a net migration game for the year to the
end of August or something like sixty thousand or something

(01:12:52):
like that, which looks good. But we're seeing the numbers
of people come down, a number of people coming into
the country come down quite sharply, and so when you
look at the last few months and if you extrapolate
them forward, you've got economists saying that actually, if people
keep leaving at the rate they're leaving, we may have
sort of a net population gain of zero next year,
which is going to be quite a shock to the

(01:13:14):
system because we've you know, in the year two October
twenty twenty three, we had this record one hundred and
thirty six thousand gain to the population. So if you
think about that number of people coming in looking for homes, cars,
all that sort of consumerism, that's not going to be there.
So that is actually going to be a little bit
of a headwind, even with interest rates making lower and

(01:13:35):
making life a bit easier in terms of the economy
turning round, I mean, it is just not going to
be as many people coming in to drive the activity
that we're used to. So really interesting on watch just
to see if any signs of you know, turnaround in
Kiwi's leaving especially, I think, and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
It's which Kiwis are leaving as well.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
It's terrible thing to say, but but you know, it's
it's who we're losing and who we're gaining. I mean,
if you want to be yeah, I mean you counsel
about it.

Speaker 16 (01:14:05):
You've got to have job opportunities. You've generally got to
got to be uh. You know, so we're losing some
of our brightest and most educated people because there are
really high paying opportunities just across the Tasman and Australia
and other places. And of course migrants aren't coming here
in the same numbers because they just aren't the jobs. So,
you know, as unemployment rises, you know, it's a huge

(01:14:27):
thing to pack up and move across the other side
of the world. And you're not going to do it
if the economy is in bad shape, which ours has
been for the last few months at least.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
And is that the main thing which is probably preventing migration?
I mean, is there is there a simple thing we
could do or not as simple, it's probably going to
be complex, but or is there what would be the
one thing that would need to happen for us to
see those migration figures increase?

Speaker 11 (01:14:50):
Yeah, I mean it's it's hard.

Speaker 16 (01:14:51):
It's easy to flick a switch when you've got large
numbers of people wanting to come in like we had.
We had a labor shortage and we flipped a switch
and a huge influx, but that has dropped away. It
really is a bit of a chicken and egg thing.
We need to get the economy going. It's almost I mean,
there are economists who'd argue this is good good for us,
that we actually rely too much on migration gain and

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it underpins the housing market and all the rest.

Speaker 11 (01:15:14):
We maybe need to sweat the economy.

Speaker 16 (01:15:16):
A bit, and that's where the productivity that everyone's talking
about comes from.

Speaker 11 (01:15:20):
Is not having the easy fixes.

Speaker 16 (01:15:21):
We've got to do it ourselves with the population we've got.

Speaker 11 (01:15:24):
But then when things are looking better again, I'm hopeful that.

Speaker 16 (01:15:27):
There's be some discussion about a sort of a policy
on immigration that has a steady sort of net gain
without the big booms and busts that we seem to
keep going through.

Speaker 11 (01:15:36):
Unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't. I mean we've also got to
talk about the losing keywee's as well, because I keep
sort of reading articles and things coming out of Australia
with commentators saying, actually, things aren't great here. Why do
the kiwee's keep coming?

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Like thanks, I wanted to go off the right of head.
They keep coming and it's and it's almost like we
don't care. People are done and dusted and they're going
to go and look for something else somewhere else. Ye,
this mentality, don't we.

Speaker 16 (01:16:03):
Very very down to the economy. So if Australia's economy
does continue to struggle and if they're unemployment rate rises,
then you'll see that that turn off that opportunity. So
that's happened before, you know, So it's not all in
our you know, in our control. But yeah, it's all
about opportunity really, and yes, definitely want to see some
better opportunity here on the side of the Tasman if

(01:16:27):
in comparison to Australia we start to look a bit
better again, that would be quite nice to I suppose.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
How are you feeling about the government's books, Liam.

Speaker 16 (01:16:36):
Sobering said Nichola Willis. I don't know, make you want
to have a drink.

Speaker 11 (01:16:41):
Look, they've got worse.

Speaker 16 (01:16:43):
We knew they were going to get worse. That's not
actually a surprise, but they were.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
It was.

Speaker 16 (01:16:48):
Worse than Treasury had thought. So so the whole thing,
the deficit got worse. It's deep into three point four
billion for twenty three twenty four year, but that was
one point eight billion worse than expected.

Speaker 11 (01:17:03):
I don't know at this point what's another one point
eight billion.

Speaker 16 (01:17:07):
It does get a bit abstract. We know we've got
to turn it around. Nicola Willis said the right things
about you know, and it backs up her line that
we need to maintain this fiscal constraint. An even better
way would be to get the economy humming and taken
more tax. We took in a little bit more tax
through the year, but that was kind of inflation related.

(01:17:28):
It was just because people were earning more wages, partly
because of the wage rises and the inflation.

Speaker 11 (01:17:33):
That'll be gone. So we really have to drive that
real growth.

Speaker 16 (01:17:36):
And I know, keep coming back to it and harping
on about it, but it's going to be have to
be some real productive growth. We're gonna have to sort
of sell more exports to the world and produce things
and find a way to work a bit smarter and
invest in new technology and all that sort of stuff
to deliver a bit more tax to the government, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Liam Dan, thank you so much for your time. That
was New Zealand Herald Business Editor at Large, Liam Dan
and as we mentioned, those immigration figures will be out
tomorrow morning. Right ten planned solar farms are among one
hundred and forty nine projects that are going to be
highlighted in the government's one stop shop Fast Track Approvals bill.
We're going to hear from Jamie McKay what his thoughts

(01:18:18):
are on this shortly. You're with a Heather du Pluice
All and drive. I'm Francisco Rudcan filling in Heather. We'll
be back with you on Monday. It is twenty past six.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results at Francesca Ruggan
with the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the HR
solution for busy Smmy's on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Host of the Country, Jamie McKay joins me. Now, Hi,
Jamie gooda.

Speaker 26 (01:18:42):
Fr Francisca get it right, long time listener, her first
time caller. Lovely to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
I'm the same. I am a longtime listener of the
country as well. Hey, tell me about what's happening in
South On. The Federated Farmers are calling for local farmers
to boycott fishing game and remove fishing access across the land.

Speaker 26 (01:19:01):
Yeah, it's a bit like the gunfight at the Ok Corral.
So the guts behind this is that farmers have always
allowed anglers to walk across their land down to the
river to go fishing. But that goodwill, says Federated Farmers,
has been completely eroded by fish and Game South and
they're saying Federated Farmers are saying, we're fed up with

(01:19:22):
fishing games, persistent belligerent anti farming rhetoric, and their opposition
to everything we do. He goes on to say, this
is Jason Herrick from Federated Farmers, the local president down there.
We're now calling for local farmers to join us in
boycotting fishing licenses, so don't buy any fishing licenses, and
to remove fishing access for anglers by taking down the

(01:19:42):
access signs. Farmers can replace those signs with an orange
ribbon to show their frustration with fish and game. Now
Herrick emphasizes that the boycott is in Southland only. It's
come about or been sparked by a recent court decision
around the silly RIMA. Would require more than three thousand
Southland farmers. That's probably about how many are down there

(01:20:05):
to apply for a resource consent francisca just to keep
on farming. Fish and Game was one of the main
groups leading the charge for this legislation or supporting it.
Feeds are saying it's an absolute kick in the guts
for the farmers. They say Fish and Game are using
license funds against farmers and against all New Zealanders by

(01:20:25):
making land use so difficult, and for what it's worth.
I'm with Federated Farmers on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
So, Jamie, why would you have to apply for a
resource consent to continue farming?

Speaker 26 (01:20:35):
What was the reason behind some stupid clause in the
RAMA Act? And my eyes glaze over when you mentioned
that acronomic it's section seventy Francesca. But no, well, no
one understands. David Park is the only one who understands,
and thank goodness he isn't there anymore. But look, it's
basically a glitch. It will get fixed. I was talking

(01:20:57):
to a Federated Farmer's executive member, Bernadette Hunt on my
show today. She said, we will get rid of this,
but in the meantime they're just rarely peeveed off that
Fish and Game have been leading the charge against them,
because up until recently they've lived harmoniously together and I've
got farming friends who farm on the river rivers down
in South and they're happy for anglers to go down

(01:21:19):
to the river as long as they shut the gates
after them.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Jamie, are you excited about these ten solar farms which
planned and are going to hopefully come through the government's
Fast Track Approvals Bill.

Speaker 26 (01:21:31):
Well, I'm not quite sure if I'm as excited as
the Minister of digging it up and damming it up,
Shane Jones Francisca. But look, it's good. Of these one
hundred and forty nine projects that he's fast tracked, ten
of them are solar farms. There's another or they're part
of twenty two renewable electricity projects. The remaining twelve include

(01:21:53):
wind farms and hydro electricity plus and those solar farms,
by the way, range from two hundre nineteen hectes six
hundred and seventy hectis. That's a sizable soul of farm.
And I think the interesting one for me that's back
on the table now is the Ruetani Far Dam in
Central Hawk's Bay. It got kai boss for a number

(01:22:14):
of reasons, but certainly fast tracking it might help that
go through because that region getting very dry at the moment,
needs more water storage. Simple as that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
I brought a lot of ticket last night, Jamie. I
was hoping to pocket just a sweet fifteen million, but
that wouldn't be enough to get me close to buying
Tasmania's large As farm, which is back on the market.

Speaker 26 (01:22:35):
Yeah, and it's owned by a New Zealand farming family,
an iconic farming family that of the late Allan Pye.
He purchased the farm in nineteen ninety six for eight
million dollars. He's hoping to get one hundred million when
it comes back on the market. That's a twelve hundred
percent return on investment. Albeit he brought it way back
in nineteen ninety six. Look, this is twenty two thousand hectares,

(01:23:00):
about fifty thousand acres. It's got everything you want in
a farm that size. It runs dairy, beef and sheep,
has extensive irrigation. It was listed to sale in twenty
seventeen at a poultry seventy million. It's now on the
market for one hundred million and since then Francesca Rushi
lagoon As. The farm has been slated for a multi

(01:23:22):
billion dollar wind farm development. So that'll be money for
jam as well, getting all the money off that, so
it'll be interesting. Alan Pie, by the way, the late
Alan Pie, who passed away earlier this year, made his
fortune from spuds. A true blue farmer.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Oh Jamie, you should have snuck in there when it
was only seventy million.

Speaker 26 (01:23:39):
Yeah, I should have. It's just out of my reach now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
So nice to talk to you, Jamie. Thank you for
your time, very much, appreciate it. When we come back
the Chinese economy and stock market, they're usually in the
press for all the wrong reasons, weak economic growth. Things
are doing quite well. We're going to find out what
this means shortly with a news storg ZB.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all
on the Business Hour with friend Jessica Rudkins and my
HR the HR solution for busy SMEs, news talks, Abdy.

Speaker 21 (01:24:17):
Favor and.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
You're with news stork ZB. It is twenty three to
seven and it feels like it's taken a long time,
but it's finally here. Banks are going to start introducing
confirmation of paye from the end of November. It'll be
fully operational by Easter next year. It's just another level
of protection, you know, hopefully you know, to help us
to prevent us from falling to those very clever, tricky

(01:24:49):
scanners scammers out there. So we're gonna be talking about
that in just a moment. I'd just love to cover
off a little bit of your feedback as well, a
lot of texts coming and just saying bring in the
missioners when it comes to Wellington. Wellington has wasted great
payers money for too long time to have a commissioner
to manage this mess that is Wellington City Council or
though there have been a few people from total who've
been saying you might want to think twice about that

(01:25:11):
and the result that they've had. On the immigration, I
thank goodness few people coming to New Zealand, especially Auckland.
School's overflowing roads are choked. Migrants are arriving with special
needs kids requiring considerable extra support at schools. Well there's
lots of kids that need extra sport. But I get
where you're coming from. Thank you very much for your feedback.

(01:25:32):
Franchiers good Okay, joining me now is Sam Dicky from
a Fisher Funds. How are you doing, Sam?

Speaker 27 (01:25:38):
Good evening, Good Wells good to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Now, the China economy and stock market, they're usually in
the press for all the wrong reasons. Like it we
were talking about weak economic growth or too much debt
or unwanted government intervention and a week stock market all that,
But the China stock market is by far one of
the best performing markets in the world so far this year.
What's going on and what does this mean for global investors?

Speaker 27 (01:26:04):
Yeah, it's a very good point and a bit of
context there. It is interesting though, there's not many times
in history that such an important economy has been viewed
so negatively by so many. So Cha roared into the
world stage after it entered the WTO in two thousand
and one, and it was a growth miracle. Let's not forget.
It pulled more people out of poverty in the shortest

(01:26:25):
time in the history. And then I think the rocks
set in during the GFC, and the government panicked and
splurged about eight trillion remen b or you are, and
they built bridges and nowhere gohs cities and tons of
other wastage, and the country became addicted to it and
plowing that into property and infrastructure. At the first sign
of any slowdown, and you add an aging and shrinking

(01:26:46):
population and a property slump that is kind of three
years old in counting now, And that's really the history
of the Chinese economy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Okay, So what's been going on with the stock market?

Speaker 27 (01:26:57):
Then, well, the economy drive the stock market like in
other countries, but with China's was a twister or sting
in the tail too. So for years you could avoid
the low quality state owned enterprises or soees like the
bloated banks and the steel companies, and invest in fabulous companies,

(01:27:17):
fabulous private companies like ten Cent, for example. So for
the decade ending our inning twenty twenty one, the SOE
heavy Broad China index was dead flat, did nothing for
a decade. The private companies like Tencent were up two
thousand percent. So then the charismatic founder of Ali Baba,
Jack Maher, reportedly got a little bit too big for

(01:27:38):
his boots, and that kick started a rolling series of
crackdowns on private companies and typhoons. So all of that,
Francesca culminated in a fourteen year ninety percent under performance
by the Chinese stock market versus the US stop market.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
So is it just a few that have made a
difference as to what's happening today.

Speaker 27 (01:28:01):
So what's happened today, that's right, private companies for a
long period of time did well. But what's happened today
is the economy has been tracking along pretty poorly, and
in fact, inflation, which is a key focus for the
Chinese government given how much debt they've got, has actually
slipped sort of flat or negative. So we're actually a

(01:28:23):
sort of partial deflation in China now. So a couple
of weeks ago, government fired another stimulus bazooka, so they
cut interest rates, they flushed excess liquidity into the financial markets,
they cut mortgage rates, they lowered the down payments on property,
and they infused liquidity into local government so they can
lend on infrastructure and other projects. So that was all

(01:28:46):
in a roughly a trillion dollar shot in the arm
for the economy and one of the biggest packages we've
ever seen in China, almost as big as the GFC
panic stimulus. So that's what's happening at the moment, and
you can see our focus they are on avoiding defation
given how much debts they have, because if we start
to see asset prices go down and obviously debt remains fixed.

(01:29:08):
That's not pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
So with that change, what does it mean for investors?

Speaker 27 (01:29:14):
Yeah, so it's it's important. Of course we need to
watch it. The world's second biggest economy and one of
our major training trading partners, we should care. And it
is a reminder of investors that if everyone is telling
you a country is uninvestable, it pays to push against
the crowd. Because the stock market is the strongest stock
market on earth this year, and it's up. It was
up sort of forty percent in two weeks.

Speaker 6 (01:29:39):
Thanks again.

Speaker 27 (01:29:42):
I was I was going to say, look, I think
the question we often get asked is that strength sustainable.
And this is not a new technique by the Chinese government.
We have seen these massive stimulus packages before and this
is this is huge, but the same old issues haven't changed.
Francesca's so tough demographic demographics and aging population, high youth
employment and too much debt. So you can wait and

(01:30:02):
see whether this big shot in the arm translates into
better economic growth.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Interesting times. Thank you so much, Sam. That was Sam
Dickey there from Fisher Funds. Francesca, okay, so, in a
crucial step towards reducing scams. Banks will introduce a confirmation
of payee system next month, to be fully in placed
by Easter of next year. The system notifies a customer
whether the name and account they're paying to match up
or don't. Similar schemes have been successful in Australia and

(01:30:29):
the UK. New Zealand Banking Association Chief Executive Roger Beaumont
is with me now, good evening. Thanks for your time, Roger.

Speaker 21 (01:30:36):
Oh, thanks for having me, Francesca.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
So how does this work, this new confirmation of paye system.

Speaker 21 (01:30:44):
Well, what it does is simplely tries to match whether
your account that you're paying money into matches the name
of that on that account, and it'll tell you whether
it's a complete match or a partial match or no
match whatsoever. So it just is another level of security
and comfort for customers in terms of being confident of

(01:31:08):
when they're paying money away to someone.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Is it an instant mechanism when consumers make an online payment.

Speaker 21 (01:31:16):
Yes, because it will happen in real time when you're
about to enter the deep, when you're entering the details
of who you're paying money who and the account number,
and it'll give you that it'll give you that feedback.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Well, fantastic before you make the payment, Okay, So it's
not like you make a payment and then the bank's
going to check check it all off, and then they're
going to come back to in process that there's going
to be no delay on payments.

Speaker 21 (01:31:37):
Then no, because it'll be it'll be checking checking with
you that you're confident that that's the right match before
the payment is actually made.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
How well will this protect consumers against scams?

Speaker 21 (01:31:52):
Well, it will certainly help in the war against scams,
which are a real scourge on our society. But it's
really import to remember there is no silver bullet here. Franchise,
but there is no one thing that's going to stop
scams altogether, because scammers are tricky and clever and they
will find workarounds wherever they can. So it's really important
that customers are vigilant in terms of their behavior and

(01:32:16):
think about really care think ready carefully about who they're
paying and what they're paying for. But this is another
level of protection that will help them in that process.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Who drove action for this change.

Speaker 21 (01:32:29):
Oh, look at the industry has been working on it
for quite some time. This is quite a big piece
of work that the government also encouraged us to look
at but the industry has worked collaboratively to install this
across the teen retail banks so that they can work
together on this for customers.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Can I be honest with you, Roger kind of feel
like this would have been a sensible thing to have
in place earlier, you know, when we started doing online banking.
I'm surprised that someone didn't think about it, but obviously
we didn't have the technology then.

Speaker 21 (01:33:02):
Yeah, Look, we have moved at pace to implement this
where we're working on a very very type time frame
to get this live as quickly as possible. And you know,
we'll be one of a handful of countries around the
world that have this level of technology. So it's not commonplace.
It's actually limited in the number of jurisdictions that actually

(01:33:25):
have it in place.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
And you know, banks are hoping to induce the system
next month. It's going to be fully in priced, but
fully in place by Easter next year. What does that mean.
It's sort of it's sort of what's happening in that
in that time frame.

Speaker 21 (01:33:41):
Yeah, it's being phased, and that's because banks need to
do proper testing of the systems and technology and make
sure that it works appropriately, and they have to make
changes to each of the way his customers interact with
their banks, so they'll have to do their online banking,
they'll have to do mobile banking apps, and they'll have

(01:34:02):
to do an in branch and in customer. All as
quite unique out ways of providing the service. So it's
quite complex and it's important that they get it right.
So it's a much safer an appropriate way to have
it staggered and do it when that confident.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Thank you so much, Roger. That was New Zealand Banking
Association Chief Executive Roger Beaumont with me up next we're
going to ge the whole saga about Taylor Swift getting
a police escooed in London. It continues on. We're going
to head to the UK next year on News DOGSZB.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour
with friend Jessica Rudkin and my HR the HR solution
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Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
We're heading to the UK now and Interbrady joins me.

Speaker 16 (01:34:51):
Good evening, Hello, Francasca, i'vely to speak to you, lovely
to talk.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
To you too.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
So Nda was there or was they not undu influence
from senior politicians attending Taylor swift concert to give her
the police escort.

Speaker 12 (01:35:07):
Do you know what, I can't see the problem with this, because, honestly, Francesca,
the week before she arrived in London, there had been
a credible terror threat two members of ISIS, alleged members
arrested in Vienna. The concerts in Austria were called off.

Speaker 11 (01:35:24):
It was a huge, huge security risk.

Speaker 12 (01:35:26):
And Taylor Swift wanted to get to her concert safely,
and she wanted her fans to get home safely.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
Now we have history here in the UK.

Speaker 12 (01:35:35):
The Manchester bombing of a few years back, Ariana Grande.
Dozens of young people lost their lives in that bombing.
Now what certain sections of the conservative right wing media
here are trying to drive is that because senior members
of the government, the Labor government went to watch Taylor Swift,
that that suddenly had ended up with her getting a.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
Blue light police escort. I can't quite see it myself,
because can.

Speaker 12 (01:35:59):
You imagine if anything had happened Taylor Swift on English soil,
these would be the first people jumping up and down saying, well,
why didn't she get a police escort.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
I couldn't agree with you more. It's just time to
get over and move on, isn't it. I mean, I
love the woman, but she is a nightly wherever she
goes because she just attracts so much attention. It's not
really about her. It's more about the free stuff that
the politicians have been getting, really, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 12 (01:36:26):
Look, there is that discussion to be had. But what
really makes me laugh, Francesca, and I'm just gonna say it, Yeah,
all the people in the media who have been on
the airwaves for twenty four hours talking about this and
writing about it in the newspaper. Guess what they all
got in the summer as well?

Speaker 11 (01:36:42):
Free tickets to Taylor Swift Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
I'd just like to make it clear I did not
get any free tickets neither, and I couldn't even score what.
I couldn't even pay for them either. So let's move on.
Tell me about these two pro Palestinian protesters arrested at
the National Gallery after throwing red paint on the floor.

Speaker 12 (01:37:00):
So young people, and they're attached to a youth movement
that has links to just Stop Oil. They went into
the National Gallery yesterday and they brought with them a
picture of Agasen mother and child they made for a
Picasso painting Motherhood. It's called he painted it in nineteen
oh one. They were trying to stick the image of

(01:37:22):
the Palestinian mother and child over Picasso's painting. Now there
was no damage done to the painting. And then they
threw some red paint on the floor, obviously symbolizing bloodshed.
Very very quickly arrested, but they've made their point. They're
all over the papers today and I have to say
feelings running quite high here in both communities in the

(01:37:42):
UK this week of all weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
And I've just got thirty seconds. But after one hundred
and forty seven years, Wimbledon was going to replace its
line judges with Ai Tich.

Speaker 12 (01:37:52):
Yeah, we were told Hei would take people's jobs. And
I think when this first came out, you know, the
last people who were worried were probably the line judges
that Wimbledon because it's such an ancient institution, one hundred
and forty seven years of unbroken service by line judges.
I just think we're what we're going to miss, players
shouting and screen because you can't argue with Ai it's
gonna you know, I'm going to miss the drama.

Speaker 11 (01:38:15):
Francesco.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
I couldn't agree more. End of Brady loving to talk
to you. Thank you for your time. It is six
to seven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Whether it's Macro micro or just playing economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,
the HR platform for SME US Talk SIP.

Speaker 25 (01:38:34):
Thank you so much for.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Having me this evening. I am just visiting Heather. We'll
be back on Monday. I'm going to be back with
you tomorrow from four. Thank you very much for your feedback,
and to Libby and Andy for producing the show and
the rest of the team. What song have you picked
for us tonight?

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
Andy?

Speaker 17 (01:38:49):
Tonight Francisco Wire going out with some Jennifer lopiaz Hi.
This one's about Screechy from her, but it's called get
Right because she's opened up about her Did you know
that she was married to Ben affleck k.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, A couple of times.

Speaker 17 (01:39:01):
I'm asking you that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
A couple of times.

Speaker 6 (01:39:04):
You're the film buff.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Well yeah, no, no, no, that's okay, Yeah, tell me
who is she?

Speaker 5 (01:39:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
She's okay?

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Oh good, honest. So she's just opened up about the divorce.

Speaker 17 (01:39:13):
Yeah, well I was looking through it though she hadn't
even been married that long. So they got married in
Las Vegas in July sixteen, twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
Did you think it was gonna lie?

Speaker 6 (01:39:21):
I had time to marinate?

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
I mean, it's none of my business, but I just
I thought it was a little doomed from the start.
Isn't it a terrible than to say about someone's marriage.
I don't know, they just look like young lovers and
I don't know. It didn't didn't kind of work the
first time, but all will wanted it to work, but
it just I don't know. I'm I'm not hugely surprised
the way things have turned out, but I feel for
her and I'm glad she's finding a way to experiences.

Speaker 17 (01:39:45):
Yes, so what she said, I can't be looking for
happiness and other people. I have to look within myself,
don't we?

Speaker 7 (01:39:50):
All?

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
Good words to Finnish with good advice to finish with
on the show. Thank you so much, Andy. I shall
leave you with a little bit of Jennifer Lopez j LO.

Speaker 17 (01:39:58):
That's the one, Jennifer, and I'll see it from coming.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
I'll see it tomorrow night from four decades.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
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