Full Show Podcast: 10 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pro pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's
Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage like
no one else news doorgs Heavy.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show Coming up today. Israel's parliament
has said yes to the peace deal. The Israeli ambassadors
with us after five, Chrishpkins is kicking off over the
government wanting to cash up on Chorus Chippies with us
after five as well, and another coroner has warned against
temporary backyard pools.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Heather duplicy Ellen, Yes, it's.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Weird that it takes a princess to warn us about this.
But Kate Middleton has warned parents against phones at the
dinner table. She's written an essay in collaboration with a
Harvard Medical School professor about the dangers of smartphones and
social media eroding family connections. She says, when we check
our phones during conversations, scroll through social media during family dinners,
or respond to emails while playing with our children, we're

(00:52):
not just being distracted. We are withdrawing the basic form
of love that human connection requires. And she then goes
on to say families must quote protect sacred spaces for
genuine connection, family dinners, conversations, moments of genuine eye contact,
and engaged listening. Now, some in our office today have
accused her of being milk toast and picking the most

(01:12):
boring subject on the world to take on. But isn't
she actually on to something incredibly important here? The family
unit is the most fundamental and important part of society,
and teaching our kids as parents is the most important
job we have. Role modeling good habits is more important
than we realize, good habits that lead to good physical health,
good mental health in the future. And yet so many

(01:33):
parents are actually distracted by our phones, sitting around scrolling,
allowing screens to creep into the time that we should
be spending with our kids. You talk to a year
one primary teacher, or even go to a kindy teacher,
they'll tell you that they are seeing some kids who
cannot form sentences properly, even at the age of five,
because they spend too much time on the screen, not
talking to their parents, and their parents are presumably doing

(01:54):
exactly the same attached to a screen. I have rules
in the house. The husbandly husband constantly breaks them and
just constantly reminded about them. No phones at the table,
no screens in the car. TV time is a treat,
is a treat for weekends, in school holidays. For the
most part, some exceptions like sickness. You know, you got
to bend the rules a wee bit. The kids accept

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it because they don't know any different. Kate and William
have rules in their house. None of their kids have
smart phones, even though the oldest is twelve and probably
about to qualify for one. You would say, Kate is
onto something here. It's probably one of the most insidious
issues of our time. Good on her for piping up
milk toast or.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Not forgever do for Sea Allen.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Nineteen nine two is the text number. I love to
know what you think about that. Love to know what
your rules are actually in the house, because I might
steal them from you. Now onto something completely different. New
Zealanders are throwing away over one hundred and twenty thousand
tons of food every year, and there is a new
food rescue app that's hoping to change that. It's called
Gone Good, and it lets customers buy mystery bags of
unsold food from cafes and bakeries to help produce food waste.

(02:57):
It's from the team behind deliver easy and the CEO,
Tim Robinson is with us. Hey Tim, Hey, they're nice
to be with it. It's very good to talk to you.
So do you have any any phone rules in your house?

Speaker 4 (03:08):
My daughter's only three and a half, so she hasn't
got one yet, thankfully, so it makes it very easy.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, yeah, now's the time to start the rules. My
son's three and a half. Of jeez, I'll tell you what.
But boys are different. Boys are different than girls, Tim listen,
So how does this product work? You don't know what
you're getting when you buy a mystery bag.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah, that's correct. So I think the premise behind that
the whole concert was to make sure that we're getting
rid of actual food waste. So if stores are proof
prefering things they knew what were going in there, it
wouldn't be truly food waste. So yeah, the mysterige is
a bit of fun, but also make sure that we're
truly targeting the food waste side.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, so what you could? I mean, I might what
if I don't like pies and I'm thinking, geez, I'm
going to get some great croissants here in this mystery bag,
and then it turns up with pies. There's a real
risk that people might be a bit disappointed, isn't there.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yes, So some of the the resuarts can give a
description generally what's in the bag, so they can can't
labor it, swear you're savory, or they might say it's
a pier a bag or something else. Yeah, so you
get some I guess it's some guidance, but not exactly
what's going to be in there. So yeah, hopefully it's
enough enough information you know you're going to get something
you like.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
And how much cheaper is it?

Speaker 4 (04:12):
It's a third the price, so it's something that wouldself
for thirty bucks. Normally in store you'll get a bag
at that for ten bucks.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Do you reckon? There's a market for this, mate?

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Soday's been crazy, so it looks like there is really.
I think we went live, Yeah, we went live at
nine o'clock this morning and have yea on track foremost
to sell out on a first day, which is yeah,
a pretty happy surprise.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Wow. I mean, because it seems to me there's a
market obviously. I don't know about you. I did the
grocery shop last night online and when I saw the
final bill, I was shocked I reckon in the last
month or so, it's got like really nutty, and so
I reckon. There must be a market for people who
think that this is an opportunity to reduce what you're
paying in your bills. But also these guys who are

(04:52):
running hospo and are having a really tough time must
really appreciate that connection and the ability to sell everything
that they can.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah, literally, like it's a great way to make you a man.
A go a bit further, like you're getting it's that
great quality food and so it's a great that you
could buy it back toda and put away for you
because lunches for the week, or take it to work
the next day. But it's yeah, I was there. It's
a really good way to get awesn't quality food. But
watch your opens at the same time.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
And so if you order it today, when does it arrive?

Speaker 4 (05:17):
So the stores that pick up windows so they'll see it.
For example, a bakery might close up at four o'clock,
so I'll let you pick it up between for example,
it might be three or four o'clock. You turn up
and come and cleack your.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Bag, okay, And there's no delivery option.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Not at this point, but it's something we're looking into,
so hopefully they will come quite soon for you.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, you already see where I'm going with this. Tim,
Thanks very much, mate, look after yourself. That's Tim Robinson
Delivery Easy CEO. Is it just me or has something
happened in the last month or so to the groceries
to all of us? I mean, look, it could it
could be that there's something going on with my grocery shop,
like maybe in the last month I've just run out
of a whole bunch of Like you know how you

(05:54):
have the staples you order every week. Oh man, I
forgot to order the vocals. Hold on right it on
my hand. That's trouble, isn't it. Anyway, So there's things
that you order every week, right, like the vogels and
the butter. I don't even know if I ordered the butter.
Had to write this down now too. I did it
quite late last night after I was finished right in
my column. So we're talking. Yeah, this is you can

(06:15):
see where this is going. Anyway, Back to the actual
thing I'm trying to say to you. You order the
same stuff every week and it doesn't you know, it
doesn't blow the budget. But then sometimes you run out
of like the five hundred and seventy wash washing liquid
or whatever you go on now, and that's a big cost.
And then you run out of beer and that's a
big cost. And then you also run out of the
coffee and you need to buy that, you know, like
it's a bulk buying. Whatever it is, all of a sudden,

(06:37):
It could be that what is happening is I've just
done several shops in the last month that have been
just like really big items that have But it's also
possible that something's happened in the last month and it's
just gone up by a notch that's made me go, wow,
groceries are nutty. Anyway, I'm glad that I am remembering
the vocals and the butter. So it looks like, looks
like that's not the end of my shop for the week.

(06:58):
Is it looks like I'm going in for two. Hey,
if you don't like the clickbait, you're not You've got
some good company on this. The Pope doesn't love the clickbait.
He's held a private audience with one hundred and fifty
members of the media and he's told the media that
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from unfair competition and the degrading practice of so called clickbait.

(07:20):
And do you know what I'm kind of there with him?
Fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's the Heather Dupissy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered my news Talk zeb Hither.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
It's not just you and the groceries. I've had the
same experience and it's nuts. It does feel somewhat nuts,
doesn't it. Listen, I'll get you across the situation with
gars A. Lots of developments just in the last few hours.
We'll do that shortly right now at seventeen past four good.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Sport with tab Multi's Fast, Easy and more codes Sorry
eighteen bit responsibly.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Jason Pine, host of Weekend Sporters with Us have Piney, Hello, Heather, Okay,
so what are our chances as in New Zealander's chances
at Bathhurst?

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Well, there are six keywis in the race, five main drivers,
one co driver. Matt Pain is probably our best chance.
Currently second in the overall Supercars Championship behind Brock Phoene.
He's co driving with Garth tand and our Tanda knows
how to win this race. He's a one at five times,
most recently with Shane van Gisberg, and actually in twenty
twenty two. Matt Pain was four fastest yesterday but only

(08:19):
twenty fifth fastest today, so he's come.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Back a bit.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
The key returning heads is Ryan Wood. He was fastest
in the first practice session yesterday's second fastest in practice today.
One will practice thing qualifying tonight. So Matt Pain and
Ryan Wood are probably two key we used to look
out for.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Okay, thank you for that. Now the All Whites have
gone down one nill to Poland. Is that is that
an upseasal.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
Note no, not an upset. Poland a ranked a lot higher.
I think what this is is a continuation of a
bit of a I wouldn't say a worrying theme, but
certainly the continuation of a trend with the All Whites
play well for long periods in the game, find it
hard to score goals, end up conceding and losing, and
we say, oh, it's a noble loss. They played well.
They you know, they gave it a good go against
a team a lot better than they are. But factors, though, Heather,

(09:03):
they're going to face teams like this of the World
Cup next year, and if they've got genuine intentions designs
on getting out of their group, they've got to find
a way to first score goals and secondly win games
one nil instead of losing them one nil. These guys
have paid professionals, they we can week out, are paid
to win football matches for their clubs. When they come
into the national side they feel exactly the same way.
So yeah, they play Norway on Wednesday. Let's hope that

(09:25):
they can start to reverse that trend. But yeah, while
it was a while, it was a narrow defeat, it
was a defeat, and well, in high level sport, a
loss is a loss.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Right Piney. I haven't had a chance to talk to
you about this. This is the Saudi backed three to
sixty league. I see the NRL guys have just come
out again in the last couple of hours and really
smashed it and backed the sanctioning of players and so on.
What do you make of it? The fact that you've
got the NRL bosses attacking it today, You've had the
rugby the rugby guys for bosses from around you know,

(09:55):
various parts of the world, like real rugby powerhouses around
the world also doing the same thing. They are they
worried about.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
This potentially, Yeah, I think they're trying to They're trying
to nip it in the butt, if that's the right
were They're just trying to make it very difficult for
Rugby three sixty coming in by the looks of things. Yeah,
I mean the reason the NRAL have been being dragged
into this is because of some of the names that
have been talked about in terms of their big stars
who Rugby three sixty are supposedly targeting. So the NRL's

(10:23):
best tall at their disposal to say, okay, go if
you want to, but we're going to impose sanctions on
you in terms of not being able to play for
your country, not being able to play original all that
sort of stuff as well. So look, I think they're
just trying to trying to crush it with a united
front Rugby three sixty. Those seem to have a lot
of cash, don't they. So let's see what their next

(10:43):
move is.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Piney, it's good to talk to you, Thank you mate.
That's Jason Pine Weekend Sport host. So what's happened. There's
been a phone call amongst the NRL clubs and the bosses.
South Sydney chief executive Blake solely said the clubs would
support whatever protective measures the ARLC imposers. He says, we
aren't sure what sanctions there will be imposed or introduced,
but Peter Andrew and the Commission have the full support
of the NRAL clubs. We have very little detail about

(11:06):
R three sixty, but it looks aimed at disrupting the
established rugby union and rugby league clubs and competitions around
the world, with no investment in participation or development pathways.
It looks set to pirate the work done by rugby
union and league clubs around the world for some private
investors to make a quick buck. I think the most
interesting thing from all of this is that they're threatening
sanctions from rugby league, but we don't know what those
sanctions are, so until you actually see the color and

(11:28):
the shape of it, it's probably not that scary. Four
twenty one.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Hard questions strong opinion.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Heither dup cell and drive with one New Zealand tand
of power of satellite mobile news dogs, that'd.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Be oh yeah, hea. There being a parent so many
parents have allowed their offspring to be the parent. Have
a good show.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
Hither.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I haven't got a clue what milk toast is, but
one thousand percent agree with your comments about phones and
interrupting family life. It's a brilliant summary. Milk Toast is
basically timid and boring. Right, it's like the insipid you know,
It's like I don't know, and I don't anyway. Never mind,
stop making myself look sound stupid by even going any
further on that. Hither, Princess Kate is completely right, family

(12:07):
as everything. YEP, I would agree with that. Now, some
stuff going down in the US, obviously with Letitia James.
She's been indicted. You know who I'm talking about. She's
the New York Attorney General. She's head back at Donald
Trump about this. She's accused him of weaponizing the justice system.
She faces fraud chargers, apparently after quite a bit of
pressure from the White House. Now, if you're wondering, why
do I know this person's names, because she was the

(12:28):
one who brought the Stormy Daniel's trial just before the
last election.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
This is nothing more than a continuation of the President's
desperate weaponization of our justice system. He is forcing federal
law enforcement agencies to do his bidding, all because I
did my job as the New York State Attorney General.
These charges are baseless, and the president's own public statements

(12:55):
make clear that his only gall is political retribution.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
And it cost Dan Mitchinson, who has actually been away
for a very long time. He's had an extended break
from the show. Dan is going to be back with
us and talk us through that when he's with us
in about ten minutes time. Now, I'm bringing out to
speed on what's happening in the Gaza situation. Israel's parliament
has just in the last four or five hours said
yes to the Gaza peace Deal, which is obviously important

(13:22):
and necessary. The US has pledged two hundred US troops
to go to Israel to enforce the piece. The question
now that is preoccupying people is whether Donald Trump is
going to get the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts here.
It is a long shot. Look, the odds have increased.
There's a betting outfit called Star Sports, which was offering
about five to one a week ago. That's sixteen that's

(13:46):
close to seventeen percent odds. It's gone to three to one,
which is twenty five percent odds on him. Securing the awards,
so you can see long shot that he's going to
be able to do it. And basically that comes down
to deadlines. So the deadline for the nominations was January
thirty one, which was just days after he retook office,
right he'd not basically not done anything just yet. They

(14:06):
had three hundred and thirty eight nominees that they had
to work. This is the committee had to then work
their way through since the end of January, and they
have been working their way through it, you know, since
the start of the year. And then the final meeting
of the committee was this Monday just gone where they
apparently did decide who was going to win the prize.
The trouble for Trump is that they decided on Monday,
and he didn't lock the peace deal in until Thursday yesterday,

(14:28):
so he missed the deadline.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
There.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Also, anyone most likely to have nominated him would have
nominated him, probably since he's been in office again, which
is after the deadline. Again, so both Pakistan and Cambodia
say they've nominated Donald Trump for the prize, and this
is of course because of his role in the Pakistan
India conflict and then also his role in the Cambodia
Thailand flare up. But that's happened subsequently. And then Benyaminetnyahu

(14:52):
has said that he's nominated him, and that's happened subsequently. Anyway,
we will all be Most importantly, Donald Trump will be
put out of his misery in our misery. This evening.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Norway.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Norway, though, is bracing itself for the possible tantrum that
he will pack. In fact, to the extent that they
are bracing themselves possible sanctions coming their way. Even though
the Nobel Peace Prize Committee is entirely independent of the government.
They are ready for the biggest man tantrum if he
doesn't get it. So we're all good. I don't know

(15:23):
about you, but we're all staying up till ten o'clock
to night, aren't we, and watching our smartphones. Not making
sure the children don't see it, but watching the smartphones
to find out. Anyway, The Israeli ambassador to New Zealand
is with us on this After five o'clock news.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Next, digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper
Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
News talks they'd be.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Okay after five o'clock. As I've said, we're going to
talk to the Israeli ambassador to New zealand also going
to talk to Chris Hopkins, because there is all kinds
of drama going on at the moment about the government's
plan to cash out of Chorus. So what the drama
is that Labor is accusing the government basically of an
asset sale here, and the government has said they're not
going to do any asset sales in their first term.

(16:22):
It's not an asset sale, though, is the problem with Labor.
It's not an asset sale. It's just debt, right. So
what happened is during the ultra fast broadband rollout the
government provided loans to Chorus, who was doing the rollout.
It now wants to sell that debt, right. It wants
to get rid of those loans and shuffle it off
to somebody else and then fring up some money that
they can spend an infrastructure. They say, things like transporting

(16:43):
schools and health projects and next year's budget. Anyway, Chippy
is going to be with us half the five o'clock
on that it's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
So, as I've mentioned, Israel has approved the Gaza ceasefire
and the hostage release plan. He's ben Yaminnett and Yahoo.

Speaker 8 (17:00):
We're at a for Memblice development. In the last two years,
we've part doing these two years to the Cuba warreams
in the Central. One of these warreams is to maternity hostages,
all of the osages for living under Dad, and we're
about to achieve that group.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Trump says Israeli hostages could be released on Monday or
Tuesday next week. The deal will also see hundreds of
Palestinian prisoners released. A reporter asked Trump about the likelihood
of a Palestinian state.

Speaker 9 (17:29):
We're going to see how it all goes, and you know,
there's a point at which we may do something that
would be a little bit different and may be very
positive for everybody.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
But we'll be looking at that at the time.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Over in the States, New York Attorney General Letitia James
has been criminally indicted. She led the civil fraud investigation
against him in twenty twenty three against Trump and twenty
twenty three. She says the indictment is a desperate weaponization
of the justice system.

Speaker 7 (17:52):
These charges are baseless, and the president's own public statements
make clear that his only goal is political retribution at
any cost.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
And finally, a life size holographic police officer has been
installed in South Korea now. The hologram is projected every
two minutes and has hoped to deter crime. Sole police
say that crime rates have dropped twenty two percent in
the area since it was put up.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Dan Mittens, and US correspondents with US Dan welcome back.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Well, thank you, Heather.

Speaker 10 (18:26):
Good to be back.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
It's a long time between drinks. It's good to talk
to you. Now talk to me about the Gaza peace deal.

Speaker 11 (18:32):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Is it any surprise whatsoever that the Israeli Parliament has
seen used to it?

Speaker 12 (18:36):
Well, Hi, I think yes and no, depending on who
you ask. But I think the longer term view of
this is going to be is it going to last?
You know, President Trump is really big. In just a
couple of hours are going to be announcing the Nobel
Peace Prize and he's really been pushing for this and
a lot has to do with this deal. That he's
helped to broker right now, and as you just mentioned,

(18:57):
the White House is expecting the high to just to
be released in the next few days. Forty eight remain
to be returned. Israel thinks there's still about twenty that
are going to be alive. And you know Benjamin et
Ya who said, Okay, we're in this for the long haul.
We hope he proved the deal to release the hostages
as well.

Speaker 10 (19:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
What do you guys rate the chances over in the
US though, of him actually taking out the prize?

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (19:22):
Boy, I would say it's not great at this one.
I think his prospects remain kind of remote, even though
he's had a lot of high profile nominations and you know,
foreign policy interventions that he's taken credit for. But I think,
what the what the when it comes to the Nobel
Peace Prize. I think what they're looking for are is

(19:42):
somebody that works quietly or institutions that strengthen goals. And
I think the President's record may even work against him
because he just does not like multilateral institutions. He doesn't
like you know, he doesn't have global climate change concerns,
and that's something that I think the committee takes a
takes into consider.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Hey, sounds like Letitia James is squaring up for a fight,
doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
It does, doesn't it.

Speaker 12 (20:06):
I Mean this all goes back to paperwork in a
home that she bought in Virginia that would be her
second home, and it would give her a favorable loan terms.
That's not investment that that's not available for investment properties.
And the grand jury returned a couple of felony charges.
She's pushing back on this, but Trump has said, you know,
he's going to go after the people that he doesn't like,

(20:27):
and she's saying, well, this is just political retribution, and
I think it's just another one of those people on
his list of enemies that he's just sort of checking off.

Speaker 13 (20:36):
Hm.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Hm.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
That's very much to me. I mean that's it is
quite rich from him, isn't it having accused them of
and this is all of his enemies after, you know,
of coming at him with the law, he's doing very
much the same thing.

Speaker 12 (20:48):
Well he is with his properties. I mean, that's what
everybody's been going after him for in the last year.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
So now is there something in him going to the
doctor tomorrow?

Speaker 3 (20:56):
You know, if you ask him.

Speaker 12 (20:57):
He's going to say no. But he's going for the
second time in six months for a routine yearly check
up at Walter Reed Medical Center. And this comes just
a few months after he had his last physical examination
where he said, you know, everything is great. Nobody's ever
seen a cognitive score like mine. So the question is,
and why is he going back? I mean, that's what
we're wondering. And there's speculation that it may have to

(21:18):
do with these patches. And we've seen this, you know,
in the paper and on the news that on his
hand that he's tried to cover up with makeup. There bruises,
big bruises too. And then you've got people on the
other side of the aisle that are saying, well, this
guy's got dementia, and they're pointing to some of his
you know, press conferences and public appearances. But there's no
way that that Trump's going to admit this. So he says,
you know, I'm going to be in the area. I'm

(21:39):
going to stop by, I'm going to talk to some
of these doctors right here, and everything's good, he says,
there's nothing out of the ordinary.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Dan, thanks very much, and look forward to having you
back on the show. That's Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent, nineteen
away from.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Five here the dupless lay.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
This morning the chap appeared in court who was charged
over attacking Winston's house. We have so many questions about this,
do you not Why has this guy handed himself in
like Polisse say, and then pleaded not guilty to the
very thing he apparently handed himself in over? And then
why has he been charged with burglary, which I mean

(22:15):
which requires you to surely have taken something, But no
one said that he's taken. No one's accused him of
taken taking anything. All we've had is an accusation that
a window has been broken. So why the burglary judge?
But also why is his name suppressed? Because he this
is like this is quite an interesting suppression in that
not only is his name suppressed, but we are not

(22:35):
allowed to know why his name is suppressed. Why Judge
Claire Ryan has granted him the interim name supression, which
is quite quite unusual. Anyway, he appeared in court this morning.
He's entered a not guilty plea. He's elected a trial
by jury. So we'll see how this one shakes out now,
if you believe Nicky Hager, one of our defense guys
has been to a Five Eyes conference where the Five

(22:58):
Eyes guys were preparing for war with China. And this
chapter is take I'm assuming it's a man. It could
be a lady, but for the purpose of the story,
let's just keep it simple. It's a man taken a
bunch of notes and then has accidentally dropped the notes
off at an opshop. So what happens, according to Nicki Hager,
is that the meeting was in May last year in Portsmouth,
and it was a Five Eyes meeting and it was
classified as secret. Now secret means unauthorized disclosure would be

(23:20):
likely to damage national interest in a serious manner. No
electronic devices were allowed into the meeting rooms. None of
what was said in the meeting rooms was supposed to
reach the public. So we sent the New Zealand Defense
Forces Chief Information Officer, Air Commodore Karl Nixon, and along
with Carl, we somewhat went a bunch of people, but
someone who was taking notes for Carl. That person, apparently,

(23:44):
according to Nickky, has very neat handwriting, so it's very
easy to read what that person has written down. That
person came back to Wellington, took the secret notes home,
should have taken them to the Defense Force building, didn't
took them home. Nothing happened for a year, and then
in August this year, somebody went browsing through a pile
of options shop goods at the Hut Valley Salvation Army
Store and found the notes. And what the notes show

(24:06):
us is that five Eyes is getting ready for war
with China. It's setting up a command and control system
that allows all of the enemy brackets red and friendly
brackets blue military forces to be tracked and then orders
to be sent for attacks and so on. And it's
supposed to be operational in the next two to five years.
Now beyond I mean beyond that, it was all very

(24:27):
boring kind of stuff. I don't know. I've got to
be honest with you. The revelation in this for me
is not the fact that we're preparing for war with China,
because obviously we're preparing for war with China, and we
would be an idiot if we weren't preparing for war
with China, because that's got to be a very real
prospect even in the next I'm told by some eighteen
months or so, But what is more surprising to me

(24:48):
is that it ended up with the what is wrong
with us New Zealand. We're going to get ourselves kicked
out of five Eyes if they can't even trust us
with handwritten notes not ending up but the Sally's, I mean,
that's just embarrassing. Isn't this like the desk of the
Wellington City the mayoral desk that ended up at the
tip shop in Wellington? Lord A barv not very good

(25:09):
at secrets?

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Are we quarter to two politics with centrics credit, check
your customers and get payments Certaday.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Here, the burglary does not require something to be taken.
All that is required for a burglary charge is that
a person enters any building, all ship, or vehicle unlawfully,
with the intent to commit any offense inside that building,
et cetera. Thanks for that. Thirteen Away from five Barry
so Per, senior political correspondence with US.

Speaker 14 (25:30):
Hey, Barry, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
So the three kids who were on the FLOTTA are
back in New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (25:34):
Yes they are, and it was interesting you remember earlier
this week Winston said they'll go to Jordan and from
there they can make their own way home. But it
seems they did get help, but not from the New
Zealand government. They did make their own way and arrived
this afternoon to an arrival hall full of people wearing
the Palestinian scarf and waving the flags, and they were

(25:58):
welcomed home like here. As they walked into the arrival hall,
the cheers erupted. Yusuf Samour did most of the talking,
and he was none too happy with the treatment they
got from the Israelis.

Speaker 15 (26:13):
We were there for almost a week, more or less.
It was we were treated like crap. To be honest,
we were treated like animals.

Speaker 16 (26:19):
They could spit on us, which they did.

Speaker 15 (26:20):
They could points shot guns in our face, which they did,
but they realized that they couldn't physically hurt us to
a point where it would cause an international outcry. Once
we realized we had that power over them, the whole
game was over. And at that point we were just
annoying to them, and they wanted us out as soon
as possible. No thanks to any help from the US,
the UK, or the New Zeon consulates, which totally abandoned

(26:41):
their citizens.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
By the way, that's not true.

Speaker 14 (26:44):
Well, no, I don't think he's right. I think remember
Winston said that our impact people would have been working
to ensure that these people would receive safe passage out
of Israel. And I think that most certainly would have
been the k although it may not have been trans
the information may not have been transferred to them.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Maybe okay, the mark I were just so annoyed having
been taken by the very hard. It's hard to feel
sorry for these kids and I don't think that they
should be.

Speaker 14 (27:15):
That underest again. At the weekend, Lord.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Okay, now the Maori Party reset, you've had a chance
to go back and look at it. How much did
you enjoy it? Out of ten?

Speaker 10 (27:25):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (27:26):
Probably ten?

Speaker 2 (27:29):
What did you enjoy the bit the most? Where are
He pulled Debbie while she was talking away from the microphone.

Speaker 14 (27:34):
Found it absolutely extraordinary here they were, they were talking
about the reset. Their is set basically is that they're
going to be nicer and they're going to be more
cooperative and less rat infrontational and brash, and they would

(27:54):
be seen as a good coalition member with the Labor
Party and the Greens. Well that's that's what they're telling
us anyway, So they will be behaving themselves. They're not
there to present the party as unelectable, which is basically
their their reset. Their leadership has been described as you

(28:15):
say here, they're like a dictatorship. But it was a
topic the co leader, Rollery White to Tea wasn't prepared
to discuss. He interrupted, as you've said here there his cohort,
Debbie Nariuapeka, as they were asked about.

Speaker 17 (28:29):
It, the a literas are telling us one thing, as
that get your act together, because we do not want
this government to stay. And I think and I think
that's a real critical part of the reset has actually
making it really clear. We've identified who our coalition partners
will be, we've identified the common ground, and we've identified
and heard that we mustn't let anything jepardize the way

(28:49):
that we get this government down Chester.

Speaker 18 (28:51):
It's what's your.

Speaker 19 (28:52):
Response to allegations of the dictatorship.

Speaker 14 (28:55):
Model before that one, you know, no rever Packer was
prepared to answer that question. She stood there and his
hand came around behind her back and pulled her away.
Dictatorship maybe I don't know, but he was certainly dictating.

(29:17):
He was dictating the way that that press conference was
going to end. And it wasn't a butt to be
discussing the way they behave as leaders of the party. Well,
he wasn't prepared to discuss it anyway. And I'm sure
that she is the peacemaker in this party and she
is the one that sees reasonably that they have to
be better behaved. Although yesterday's performance in the House was

(29:42):
terrible behavior and I think they might find further repercussions
as a result of that.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
What are you suggesting, Oh, I'm.

Speaker 14 (29:49):
Suggesting that maybe to probably just committee thing again.

Speaker 20 (29:53):
Have you heard this?

Speaker 10 (29:54):
No?

Speaker 14 (29:54):
No, Well I've required around the traps and certainly it's
not going to be resting on what happened yes today.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, very very quickly. What happened in the House last night?

Speaker 14 (30:03):
Well, the most extraordinary thing is it was a simple vote.

Speaker 6 (30:06):
It was for.

Speaker 14 (30:08):
Broadcasters or television New Zealand being allowed to not advertise
or sorry to advertise.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
On some obviously considered religious days.

Speaker 14 (30:17):
Right, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
And there wasn't enough people.

Speaker 14 (30:21):
Well, they're only about thirteen MPs in the House and
really most of them because it was the end of
the week in Parliament and I've got to say most
of the thirteen were labor MPs. So Stuart Smith is
the the coalition or the National Party whip didn't obviously
whip as the MP's and they were up probably in
their officers having a nice class of wine at.

Speaker 10 (30:42):
The end of the week.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Just the one. Barry, thanks very much, Barry Soper, Senior
political correspondent. Hey, listen, we need to talk about those
backyard temporary pools. Next seven away from.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Five, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 21 (30:55):
Hargy, what chance that this is over? There is peace
in the Middle East, and you and I for the
rest of our lives we'll never talk about conflict in
your part of the world ever.

Speaker 22 (31:03):
Again, I would say almost none. Unfortunately, even if this
agreement is completely successful in ending the war and the
genocide and Gather, then we will have quiet around Gather,
and without any substantial changes of that reality, without justice
and liberation for Palestinians across the land, we will just

(31:25):
be back where we started and there will be renewed
violence in the future.

Speaker 21 (31:29):
Back Monday from six am, the mic asking breakfast with
a land driver, defend and us talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I actually have realized that I need to ask Chris
Hipkins while we've got him, while he's talking about chorus.
Excuse me petically my throat while he's talking about chorus.
Because I went to the gym today, Can I just
say I got a shout out from the instructor so
because look, you know when you when you were about
nine months after having a baby, Let's be honest, you're

(31:57):
not looking your best, are you? Like you think you're
looking okay, but then it starts getting warmer and you
get into your swimsuit and you go, oh, what is
going on here? So anyway, I thought, no, I hate
the sprint class, which is the one where you go
on the bike really fast. I hate it. But I
was like, just make the most of it. It's half
an hour going really fast. Anyway, I was so fast
and great that the instructors shouted out and in the

(32:17):
back there god work from you. I was like, that's right.
But anyway, as a result, I'm struggling to speak now.
I've exerted all of my energy and it's a dead
zone in my brain right now. Anyway, when Chippy's with
us on the chorus thing, we're gonna ask him if
the Marlori party has managed to redeem itself and whether
he's into them. I think the answer is probably know. Hither,
good luck explaining the concept of debt to Chippy while
you've got him on. I fear that you were in

(32:38):
for a long afternoon. Yes, I've read Grant's book. I
realize it's a concept not well understood by the labor party. Hither,
you're asking the wrong questions. It's not about why the
secrets ended up at an opshop, it's why on Earth
five Eyes want to have a go at China. Mate,
what planet are you on? China is preparing to take
over Taiwan. You know that's happening, right, and you know

(32:58):
that that runs the risk of starting a war. So
you either get ready for that war or you're an idiot.
That's why Five Eyes is getting ready for the war,
whether we like it or not. We can have a
debate about whether we want to get involved in that,
and I tend to say no. Anyway, from one one
potential war to an actual war that's wrapping up hopefully,
Fingers cross the Israeli ambassadors with us. Next Newstalks B.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
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Speaker 1 (33:31):
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Speaker 2 (33:43):
B afternoon, there is celebration in the streets of the
Middle East as a Gaza Ceasepile Dea is taking another
step towards being completed. The Israeli cabinet has now signed
off on the deal, which would bring an end to
two years of brutal war. Alon Roth is the Israeli
ambassador to New Zealand and with US hirel.

Speaker 6 (33:59):
On good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Do we have any clearer idea yet of when the
hostages will be out.

Speaker 10 (34:06):
Here?

Speaker 6 (34:07):
No, but we know that in seventy two hours they
should be out. So I assume if we come from
now that on Monday. I mean, I hope that will
be released as soon as possible, But on Monday, I
hope there will be with us at loss.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
When do we start counting? Is it from now or
is it from when Trump signs the bit of paper
or from when the paper was signed on his behalf.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
I think it's from when the decision was taken. You know,
there was a homeless decision and the Israeli government decision. We,
for example, begin the immediate redeployment of the Israeli army.
The ideas right now, it's going to take something like
twenty four hours, So within twenty four hours it has
to happen. But as you said, the most important thing

(34:53):
for us is the hostages. And this I do hope
that until Monday we will be. It will be behind
us and there will be in isa Al.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
And so your understanding of the sequence of events, is
it that the troops, the Israeli troops, withdraw to an
agreed place first and then the hostages are released.

Speaker 10 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, it can be.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
It can be. You know, it's twenty four hours and
seventy two hours. It can be in parallel. But they
have seventy two hours to release the hostages and we
will be redeploying ourselves in twenty four hours. Well, to
say truth, the redeployment, as far as I understand, begins
to happen.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
What do you know about these two hundred troops that
Trump is sending US troops he is sending to Israel.
Where will they be stationed? What are they going to do?

Speaker 6 (35:38):
No, this is something that is beyond my mandate and knowledge.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Okay, now that pace is struck and we were going
to work our way through these steps. Would you be
comfortable with our government recognizing a Palestinian state?

Speaker 10 (35:52):
Now?

Speaker 6 (35:53):
I don't think so, and I think we have people
have to read the Trump Lane Trumplane is saying very
clearly that first and foremost, the PA, the person authority
should reform itself, should stop program like pay for a
slave that they're paying for the terrorists, incitement in deed
pation system, recognizing as well as the Jewish state, et cetera,

(36:17):
et cetera. There are lots of conditions before the discussion
is going to begin, if at all. So, I think
that the decision that was taken by the New Zealand
government was the right one and I don't see any
reason to change it now.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Alan, thanks for your time. I appreciated alone Roth Israeli Ambassadors.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
To New Zealand, Heather Do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
The government is looking to free up some cash by
selling an investment in Chorus. Now this is money that
the government linked Chorus during the Ultra Fast broadband rollout.
That rollout is now finished, so the government's looking to
on sell that debt. But lab this is an asset style.
Chris Hopkins is the labor leader and with us now chippy.

Speaker 14 (36:54):
Hello, Hello.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
He's not an asset sale though, is it.

Speaker 11 (36:58):
Well, a security is an athlet and the government said
in the National Party said they weren't going to sell
any ethics. Christopher Luxon said, I'm not interested INSS sales.
Won't be happening now they're talking about an asset sale.
You know, I think they're trying to create some technical
distinction that doesn't exist. The security for the government owns
our essets.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I mean is that that's not really fair though, is it?
We would understand in the context of talking about asset sales,
how most of us rational voters would understand it is
that we own some sort of a company or an
entity and we're selling our stake in it. We have
no stake in Chorus. We're not selling down a shareholding.

Speaker 11 (37:32):
Well, we do have a stake in Chorus. We've spent
billions of dollars rolling out the broadband and now right
at the time when we're the public is going to
reap some financial dividend from that in the form of
those securities having to be repaid. They want to privatize
those profits, so, you know, the public The New Zealand
tax payer has already laid out the cost of building
the broadband network. That was what these securities have arisen from.

(37:56):
Now at the point when we actually start to see
some coming back the other way, the government wants to
sell the air set off.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Okay, so this is money that would be paid back
within the next five to ten years. In any case,
what's the problem with bringing it forward?

Speaker 11 (38:10):
Because the only way that it'll be profitable for somebody
to buy them is that we sell them at a discount.
Why on earth would we do that when that that
is money that would come back to the New Zealand taxpayer.
And recognition of the fact the New Zealand taxtpayer pays
for the role out of the Brooklem How.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Much of a discount was selling it at?

Speaker 11 (38:26):
Well, no, we don't, but I mean why would anyone
buy it?

Speaker 2 (38:28):
But isn't that material? I mean, if it's a discount
of two percent, then hoo cares, let's get the money
now and build the schools we need. If it's a
discount of thirty percent, well maybe it's a stupid idea, right.
So that number is important to know, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (38:40):
Well you'd have to weigh that up against the alternative
costs of financing the things that you are talking about heither,
which you know, government can actually access other forms of
finance relatively cheaply, so this is likely to not be
the chepest way of us financing those things like schools
and hospitals you just mentioned.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Hey, so are you impressed with the reset from the
Maori party yesterday to make you want to have them
in your cabinet.

Speaker 11 (39:00):
I think they've got a little bit of work to do, Heather.
I think I think that they probably need to work
a little bit on their media relationships.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, well, there's that. I mean, there is that.

Speaker 10 (39:09):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (39:10):
What part of it? What happened do you think yesterday?
Is is this a party that is are like? It
seems like they may not be in agreement on where
they want to go with us, Like some of them
maybe want to want to, you know, tone it down
and get in cohotes with you, and the others want
to remain radical. Is that how it looks to you?

Speaker 11 (39:28):
Look, I don't have a read on that, to be honest.
I mean, I think, as I said this morning, politicians
don't necessarily like some of the questions that we get asked.
No politician either stands in front of the media feeling like, oh,
these are all great, we want to really enjoy myself,
but I still need to answer them. Oh look, I'm
a bit more relaxed about the Hakker. You know, I've
seen haker performed at the end of people's maiden speeches

(39:49):
or valedictory statements before.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
That's nothing new, And it was in breach of an
agreement with Jerry Wi, wasn't it.

Speaker 11 (39:55):
I think the big issue there. I mean, I wasn't
in the house, so I've got to be careful. It's
commenting on something that I didn't myself. But I think
the bigger issue there was that she probably went from
what I gather went on well passed to her time
allocation and that probably may annoyed your environment more.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
No, oh well, maybe it's hard to know, but no,
it seems to have been the hucker Chippy. Thanks as always,
Chris Hopkins, Labor Party leader Heather Do Whether do I
missed the bit on the backyard pools? No, you didn't know.
I just I got distracted talking about my trip to
the gym. I mean, what's more important not my trip
to the gym. Actually we're going to talk about the
backyard pools next with water safety New Zealand. So I'll

(40:31):
get you all across. There's basically a couple of coroners
want us to maybe get rid of them all together,
the temporary ones anyway. Just want to bring you up
to speed on the Arteta, which has been a part
of our lives now for a long time. I think
it's something like twenty six years and which we have
come to love a lot, especially since the grounding on
the South Island where we really fell in love with
that ship. She's going to the scrappers. Ki We Rail

(40:52):
has agreed to sell the old Bird to a buyer
who's going to take her to a specialist recycling shipyard
and in India. What an end to an amazing story.
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(41:12):
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Speaker 3 (42:01):
Travel Heather du For see Alan, We've just had word.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
You will have caught up on the news by now
that the flotilla kids have landed in New Zealand a
couple of hours ago, landed at Auckland Airport. Now we
earlier like last week, maybe spoke to Adie Leeson. His
son Samuel, was on the flotilla. Samuel is booked and
to talk to us after half past So now, now
as you I would say, like, let's just say, it's

(42:27):
one of those ones that I sort of hesitate to
tell you is going to happen. I just worry about
the ability to get someone who's just arrived back in
the country and is excited to see his family on
the phone. But we are going to try its state Union.
We'll see what we can do there. Nineteen past five. Now,
yet another corridor has expressed concern over temporary backyard pools.
You know the ones I'm talking about. They've got a
frame you've got to put up sit above the ground,
maybe one point two meters or something like that, and

(42:48):
you fill him up with water. Earlier this year, a
coroner said they should be banned, and now another has
said they're a grave hazard after the drowning of a
twenty month old girl in Napier. Gavin Walker is the
acting CEO at Water Safety New Zealand and with us.

Speaker 23 (43:00):
Hi, Kevin, Hi, there, how are you here?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
I'm well, thank you. Do you think we need to
ban them?

Speaker 23 (43:06):
Look out of Meier's test is a reminder that unfenced
pools left towards water in people's backyard can be present
a real change challenge to young kids. And were we're
not talking about the small ones. There's small paddling pools
that we've we've all had. You can easily grab those out,

(43:29):
fill them up, you spend time with your kids, and
you turn them upside down and empty them at the end,
and you just raised We're not talking about about the
ones that are much bigger, kind of one point two
meters or greater, because kids can't climb. Young kids can't
climb into that, so they can't get into them supervised.
But there's been a real proliferation of cheaper options between

(43:54):
those two. Some of the can take half a day
to fill. They're kind of three point six meters across
and the way steep, and we don't think The law
in New Zealand says if you buy one of these
things for a couple of hundred dollars from wherever, from
Teama or the warehouse or others, it says you should
get in touch with the council and got a compliant

(44:15):
poll fence in place, because the risk is the same
as a permanent pool, but we just don't think anybody's
doing that. And so as we see more and more
of these things in people's backyards, were already starting to
see increasing deaths of young children. Yeah, and we've learnt
these hard lessons before. In New Zealand, we made the

(44:36):
bold call in the eighties to fence our swimming pools
and we basically eliminated kids drowning in our backyard pools.
And we're seeing that coming back again.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
So why are we seeing so many of these things?
Is it simply because they are so much cheaper now
that you've got the tea moves and so on.

Speaker 23 (44:53):
Yeah, that when the law was developed around fencing of
swimming pools, the kind of plaster that portable pool product
didn't exist. And it's really only over the last ten years,
really the last five years, that this stuff's become really
prevalent and on the market. And I get it. We've
got young kids. Parents and grandparents are buying these things

(45:16):
for the best intentions, but if you leave them unfenced
in your backyard, something can easily happen for young children.
And we're just asking people to think, we're certainly asking
government to go why do we have to have these
things available in New Zealand. There's lots of other options
bigger pools, smaller pools, slip and slides, take your kids

(45:39):
to the beach or river. And in the absence of that,
we're asking parents, grandparents and others to think through these purchases.
If you don't think you can fence them, don't buy them.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Gavin, thank you. It's some sage advice appreciator. Gavin Walker,
acting CEO at Water Safety New Zealand, actually want to
I want to tell you a story about my temporary
pool fencing. We'll deal with that in a tack. Five
twenty two, the.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Day's newsmakers talk to Heather First, Heather do for Sellen
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Speaker 2 (46:11):
Doorg said Behither, it's quite fitting that the ATTA ends
its days aground somewhere, isn't it. Five twenty five? Now,
do you know what took me a little bit by
surprise this week? It's how little blowback New Zealand Post
got after its announcement of cutting back its delivery days.
There was a time, and when I say there was
a time, as recently as the start of last year
when this kind of announcement from New Zealand Post calls

(46:32):
all kinds of upset up and down the country, but
not this week.

Speaker 10 (46:35):
Now.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I'm putting it down to the fact that we've come
around to the reality that we will not have mail
delivered quite in the same numbers in the future as
we used to. Maybe in the year and a half
since we last talked about mail deliveries. We've gone out,
we've checked our mailboxes. We've realized there really isn't as
much mail arriving as we may have thought there was,
and maybe we've realized we can go without three delivery
days in town and five delivery days in rural areas.

(46:58):
I think New Zealand Post will be grateful for the
reaction they got this week because they have still got
the hardest announcement ahead of them, which is the day
that they kill all deliveries all together. And that's going
to happen because listen to these numbers. Twenty years ago,
we were sending a billion mail items a year. Ten
years ago that had fallen by twenty five percent. It
was down to seven hundred and fifty million, right, that's

(47:20):
still respectable. Then the next ten years, it fell off
a cliff. It went down seventy five percent, one hundred
and eighty two million. Now that was last year, So
one hundred and eighty two million last year became one
hundred and fifty million this year, which will be one
hundred and twenty million next year. And one hundred and
twenty million is the point at which they cut the
delivery days again. Towneys go down to one one day
a week. What comes after that, no days a week,

(47:42):
maybe just at the start for the towns, but then
over time it will be for everyone. It's got to
be the future. We don't get deliveries to our houses anymore.
We go down to the supermarket maybe, or the community
mail point or whatever it is. We collect our mail ourselves,
maybe once a week, maybe once a month, maybe once
a quarter, or maybe never, because let's be honest, one
day you will have no mail to collect that doesn't
already arrive via courier.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Heather Duplicy, Ellen, I have.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
To say I'm surprised by the number of people who
reckon it's nanny state to be careful with pools in
the backyard. Here the nanny state, Purple's parent responsibility track
and watch your kids. It's from Linda here, the more
nanny statists demanding laws to ban stuff because parents want
to be drunk and playing on their phones rather than
being parents' kids can run out on the road or
on the beach. It's ridiculous. Here the very sad about

(48:26):
the toddler drowning, But what next? We also have cases
of unsupervised tots hit by cars. But we don't ban
cars backing in and out of their driveways and using
residential driveways, do we? Tracy? Thank you? All right, let's
talk to one of the kids who've just arrived back
from the flot till the next news talks at beat.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
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Speaker 2 (48:55):
Be okay, well, I'll what good day to be shares.
He's a Chesa's has done a capital raise apparently over subscribed,
and then yesterday they launched the debit card. And if
you haven't seen the debit card, it's kind of an
impressive product. So I'll run you through that when we
get a chance. We're going to talk to one of
the three eos. Yeah, I've got three CEOs, one of
the three eos of chess after six and the Sport

(49:17):
Huddle is standing by us right now. It's twenty five
away from six.

Speaker 10 (49:20):
Now.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
The three New Zealand citizens on the flotilla to Gaza
have arrived home. They touched down in Auckland about a
couple of hours ago. Samuel Leeson was one of the
detained activists. Hi, Sam, Hey, how are you. I'm very well,
Thank you good to be home.

Speaker 20 (49:34):
Ah, yeah, it's great, it's yeah. The big relief, big
relief in Lead.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Now.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
The last I heard, you guys were in Jordan, which
is where our authorities basically, you know, left you. How'd
you get home?

Speaker 20 (49:46):
Well? Yeah, our socies didn't actually make any contact with us.
It was all done through through the UK, so we
were you know, we haven't. We didn't hear a single
thing from New Zealand, aside from the fact that Winston
Peters said that he wasn't going to do a thing
for us.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
I don't think that's strictly true. He said that he
would be making sure that you guys got out of
Israel safely and to Jordan, I think, And then from there.

Speaker 10 (50:11):
It was on you.

Speaker 20 (50:13):
Yeah, but we had no wallet, phone or any means
to get home, so.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Give into your phone.

Speaker 20 (50:20):
Well, when we were getting intercepted illegally, we were in
international warders and we didn't want to give the ide
if yeah, information of our personal life. So I chucked
my phone overboard along with everyone else.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
And Andrew Wallace, well, I didn't.

Speaker 20 (50:39):
I didn't get any of the stuff that was taken
from me back. So the only thing I got back
was a little two dollars rings. Every every single other
thing was stolen.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Okay. So so you got to Jordan, how'd you get home?

Speaker 20 (50:54):
The the GSF organizations helped us out because we were
the only we were one of the only countries that
didn't didn't get helped home by our government. All the
other countries had had there, you know, the country delegate people.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
In terms of the people who were on the flotterer
with you, the countries that they had come from actually
paid to take them home.

Speaker 20 (51:22):
Yeah, majority of them did. They were when they when
we arrived in Jordan, they were received with open arms.
They got you know, they had given food was given
to them, you know, lollies and treats, and we arrived
to a few UK people who told us that they
would drive us to a hotel and.

Speaker 10 (51:41):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
And so just New Zealand the only country that didn't
didn't bring it to people home.

Speaker 20 (51:45):
No, I think America received similar similar yea treatment yet
and so did the UK. I think actually a few
of the UK people got detained and arrested up the
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
But hold on, whoa, the UK arrested their people.

Speaker 20 (52:04):
Uh, you have to fact check that. I only heard
that recently as I was driving Dick. But that's what
I heard.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Okay. Now, Sam, since you've since you've managed to get
out and get to Jordan and get home, you will
have seen what's transpired in in Gaza with the peace deal.
How are you feeling about that?

Speaker 20 (52:21):
I think I feel that if our find in Gaza
believe that this is this is the right move for them,
then I will obviously back there. Yeah, I support I
support what they think is right. It's their their lives
and their land that is in the balance, so if
they if they support it, then I'll support it as

(52:43):
a Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Well it's great news, isn't it. The guns are gonna
that the fighting is going to stop. The shooting is
going to stop, the hostages are going to get out,
and food's going to get in.

Speaker 20 (52:51):
Yeah, but the seven of the past, you know, there's
been two other seaspies and neither of them are held up.

Speaker 12 (52:56):
So not to this point.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
So not to this point though, way.

Speaker 12 (53:02):
Not to this point.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
So like lots of this, we have not got we
have not we have not got to the point where
Hamas has agreed to release the hostages and the Israeli
Parliament has agreed to it.

Speaker 10 (53:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (53:13):
Yeah, I guess, yeah that is true. Never worked out,
It'll be amazing, it'll be great.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yeah, well, Sam, listen, thanks for your time. Welcome home,
Sam Leason Garza activists detained by Israel just landed home
a couple of hours ago, twenty away from six.

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On the sports tatle this evening we have Paul Ellison,
is ZB Rugby commentator, Darcy Watergrave z B sports talk host.
Hello you too. Greetings, Oh, I forgot what Paul?

Speaker 10 (54:18):
Are you there?

Speaker 3 (54:19):
I'm here.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I'm sorry. I went too hard at the gym and
I've used all my energy, so I forgot.

Speaker 11 (54:27):
I'm delighted to hear you've been at the gym.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Keeping myself looking God for your Paul. Okay, Paul, along
is this Dame Nole's nonsen is going to carry on for?

Speaker 6 (54:36):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (54:36):
Look, I don't know how long is a piece of string.
It's got to solve itself shortly, doesn't it. I think
Nipple's got a few problems, not just around the coaching side.
They've got issues around the broadcasting rights, the financial state,
and maybe you've got to start questioning the whole decisiveness
of their leadership leadership regime as well. But you know,

(54:59):
for any successful team, they need to establish a really
positive culture. Players need to buy into that culture. And
I know some really high performing international sports coaches who
select on character and attitude first and skills and ability second.
They see, you you need to get good people first,
and then you create a positive, stimulating, a motivating environment. Now,
I think those are the values that New Zealand Niple's

(55:22):
got to go back to and actually work right through
and maybe start from the ground up. Now we are
no lean sits and that we're the players and that
I don't know, but there's certainly, from my understanding, there's
a division amongst the players, and I don't think it's
going to resolve itself quickly, do you think.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Paul okay, So, do you think that they have the
captain and vice captain or deputy captain or whatever they called.
Have they picked one from each camp this time around,
like one pro Noles and one anti Knoles.

Speaker 13 (55:45):
Well, I don't know that's a good move if they
have done that, because that throws a further division amongst
the team as well. I mean, they traded captains throughout
that series where they had three different captains and those
three different test matches, and where're not was to be
able to test out their leadership ability or the ability
to be able to bring players together. I don't know,
but certainly with what Grace and the Wiki did in

(56:07):
them for Cagle, she she got under the soapbox and
certainly showed her side of the story. I know I
know from a really good source that that was not
embraced some of her comments by all the players around
it no, so.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I've heard what have you heard?

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Dos?

Speaker 9 (56:22):
Yes, but you don't hear a great deal because they're
very good at keeping a lid on everything. So as
I've often talked about natsure, a boring and vacuum and
what happenstuff goes, isn't it? I'm interested in, as Paul mentioned,
the position of management here.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
So can I tell you have you heard what we've
been keeping track on on the show?

Speaker 9 (56:42):
Oh no, I haven't show. I know we had that
actually on Sports Talk a couple of days ago. Okay,
and said where's it gone?

Speaker 2 (56:51):
So the leadership team page is gone, and it's still
not up Friday, and it's still i.

Speaker 9 (56:57):
Think Wednesday night. One of my callers called through and said, oh,
look at the leadership page. There's nobody there.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
If you look.

Speaker 9 (57:04):
I'm sure Paul will agree that when you look at
a situation like this, whoever's that fault, the person who's
leading the organization ultimately is responsible for the tumult.

Speaker 14 (57:15):
And that is the CEO does that's it is?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Every one's showing too many ways.

Speaker 9 (57:21):
Yes, some people will say no, somebody hates a fan.
It's a bit of eye candy for the mails and
so on and so forth. Think it's kind of quite
an old school thing. Was but weirded out by it
was so much in Singapore. But when you show the
wives and girlfriends sitting in the pits staring at a
screen and you don't show the action on the tarmac

(57:42):
and it's only an hour and forty minutes, that's it.
You can cover all that off whenever you want.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
But when it's racing, what about a quick shot just
to quick like a couple of seconds.

Speaker 14 (57:53):
Well, no, that's fine.

Speaker 9 (57:54):
But if someone's passing somebody on a hair, and if
someone's coming into the pit lane and they've collected someone
with a span, I mean, go on, where do.

Speaker 14 (58:01):
You sit on this?

Speaker 3 (58:04):
You laughing?

Speaker 13 (58:05):
I'm wondering what sort of passing you're talking about? To
be fear? But who's making a pass on?

Speaker 10 (58:10):
Who?

Speaker 13 (58:11):
But look, you start looking at Hollywood stars and sporting
celebrities that are little around Formula one, aren't they The
fact that the TV coverage is focusing on them during
the race itself, I think is a good is not
a good approach to take? And this is what the
fans are saying, This is what is coming through now
as a reaction saying, hey, we want to watch the race.

(58:31):
We don't mind seeing some of the girlfriends afterwards, or
maybe with their drivers and the partners afterwards, but not
during the race. Are such? Okay here you're probably right
one or two seconds, but you don't need to dwell
on it because the coverage is about the motor racing,
not about the girlfriends.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
All right, let's take a break and come back to
you guys. Yeah, you're getting applause, Paul, Come back to
you guys. Shortly caught a zoo.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
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Speaker 2 (58:58):
Right, you're back with the sports hittle Paul Allison and
water Grave dust. Do you think this is on the
Saudi rugby game? I want to call it rugby league,
but it's a rugby union league. Do you see the
NRL bosses are also now wanting to sanction the players.

Speaker 9 (59:10):
Right, there's a couple of things to take out of
this from the research I've done. One of them is
R three sixty A pretty much invisible. You can't get
hold of them, you can't talk to them, you can't
find anything about them. They don't exist. Secondly, I've found
out that the money it's not Saudi money. It's not
coming from Saudi.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Ara, American money.

Speaker 14 (59:31):
I don't know. They ain't quite I'm trying to ring.
I'm emailing work.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
At where I've been told it's American money.

Speaker 9 (59:36):
People presume it's Saudi because are going to be registered
to Saudi interests. But it's not Saudi money. I don't
know if there's any truth than that, but that's what
i'm hearing. So and I'm sure you agree, Paul, World Rugby,
I'm not so much. The NRL World Rugby are essentially panicking.
That's why they've come out and go, oh not in
our watch. They've drawn along the sounds.

Speaker 14 (59:57):
I know, you don't know, you don't because they know this.

Speaker 9 (59:59):
Paul has the potential to shake up global rugby and
it needs a shake up because the pals in the
Northern Hemisphere steadfastly refuse to acknowledge global rugby or go
any further. They pay lip service, but they do nothing.
So they're primed for the plucking, aren't they, Paul.

Speaker 10 (01:00:17):
Paul.

Speaker 13 (01:00:18):
Yeah, Well, when you look at the fact that they
have put these shutters up now in the eight countries
and the eight strongest countries pretty much in the ruler
of Australian New Zealand, sid Afriga Island, England, Scotland, France
and Italy. I said, look, if you go to this
three sixty, you're not able to play for your national side,
you're not eligible for World Cups, you're not eligible for
Olympic Games and the like.

Speaker 11 (01:00:36):
So they've put the shutters up there.

Speaker 13 (01:00:38):
Whether this goes anywhere or not, I don't know. Love
golf has Athletics tried it with the Grand Slam track
meets which didn't come up, and then that Super Soccer
League sort of got aboarded, so they've tried.

Speaker 11 (01:00:50):
This in the past.

Speaker 13 (01:00:50):
I mean, what you need to do, dars. You've got
the tip here for you if you want really going
to go to the source, go to the royal family
and get hold of Charlie and just see what the
Christmas invitations like. And then Tyndall will tell you exactly
what's going on, because he's the face.

Speaker 14 (01:01:03):
Of it all too right, fair enough, I haven't got
him on speed dial. I've tried the Crown Prince, but
he won't take my calls.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Something controversial for you, Darcy, Now you know lovely producer
Libby over there. She has said that the reason that
we've had three umpires in the Women's Cricket World Cup
causing so much confusion is because they've gone too hard
on trying to be progressive and get only only female
umpires an experience.

Speaker 9 (01:01:26):
You could lean that way if you want. I think
it's important that you can can judge they can umpire
under extreme as they can under extreme pressure. There's been
a couple of or three decisions that have been let's
let's not forget this, that have been dicey and difficult.
And now I can hear Libby in the cans garden.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Have we lost quality in the refing because they've tried
to be too progressive instead all female umpiring team for
the first time brackets.

Speaker 9 (01:02:00):
But no, think everybody makes mistakes, Paul. Do you remember
Nigel Long and that dreaded call that could have been anything?

Speaker 10 (01:02:07):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:02:08):
Look, I can remember some shocking calls from umpires over
the years. But now they've got technology and the fact
that you can go upstairs for the calls that you're
not sure about for the next and the court behinds
and the LBWs and some of the real critical calls.
You now can put them under review and the technology
will actually do it for you. So the role that
an umpire plays in credit these days are still but.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
It's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
To stop being such a misogyny.

Speaker 14 (01:02:32):
No, no, one of them.

Speaker 9 (01:02:33):
One of the umpires actually wasn't asked to review it,
win ahead and did it anyway, made a decision contrary
to the rules of the game. But umpires and refreezings
always make mistakes.

Speaker 14 (01:02:43):
It's a given.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
And I think we've got an.

Speaker 9 (01:02:45):
Overcorrection situation here, okay, where they're so paranoid they look
at everything all the time. Same with the neat ballers
overcreaching around player power. It's gone too far, after all,
it is like high performance.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Why this is funny to me is because producer Livia
is the least like she's the least likely person to
be such a misogynist. She's actually very woke, So I
think she's just written that to appeal to me. Yeah, no,
she says, no, yep, never mind, never mind what she
says to me. Guys, have a lovely weekend of sport.

(01:03:18):
Paul Hate By the way, are you calling the NBC?

Speaker 13 (01:03:20):
I am tonight? Yeah, who's been Otigo will win that one,
but narrowly, I think because Whitekattow's been boosted back with
some all blacks. Canniburry will knock over Counties Manecow. The
other two tomorrow starting at ten past four and ten
past seven. I can't pick them. Are really close.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Brilliant, Hey, good luck with that, have a lovely evening
and Darcy, thank you as always for everything. As Paul
Allison and Darcy watergorow our Sports Talk Sports Huddle rather
this evening. Seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Five away from six. Update on the situation with the
Maori Party in the Speaker. The Speaker has confirmed that
he is going to be meeting with the Maori Party
co leaders next week after what he is describing as
contempt of the House. It does seem that whoever said
it earlier on I'm not sure who it was. I
said earlier on that that, oh, I think it was
Chippy that what Jerry is really upset about is the

(01:04:16):
duration of order. Any kaipitter speech may well be on
the mark. It seems the Hukker then just sort of
what's the straw that broke the camel's back. But he
was already irritated because there's a fifteen minute allocation for
maiden speeches. And after fifteen minutes he starts dinging the
bell and sort of getting her, you know, getting them
to wrap it up with us. She just ignored him, right,

(01:04:37):
So here fifteen minutes, He's like, all right, dang, dang,
wrap it up, and she just keeps going, goes for
twenty three minutes, eight minutes, Like I think about the
duration of eight minutes that you're just ignoring a big
guy over there ringing a bell, not happy about it
at all anyway, So that's going to happen next week,
so I'm sure we'll be covering a little bit. Then
sounds like the road cone tip line, by the way,

(01:04:57):
is going to get the acts. It's clearly not working.
That's obvious. The reports to the tip line are falling
the half each month since the thing has been going,
and I think it's only been going for four months.
Only twenty percent of all reports actually end up resulting
in action. Most of the time nothing happens because the
cones are actually supposed to be there, So you and
I see too many cones, we call the road cone tipline.
They go have a look, they go. Now, that's how

(01:05:18):
many cones are supposed to be there, because that's how
many cones the council has okayed to be there. And
that's the actual problem is that the councils keep approving
too many cones. Anyway, Minister will workplace safety. Brook van
Velden says she will close the road cone reporting top
line hotline sorry, once she's satisfied they've identified the source
of the road cone problem, which I think we have. Heather,

(01:05:38):
how could you let Sam get away with that interview?
All my things got stolen? Oh I threw my phone overboard.
Seriously actually that that was probably one of the more
enjoyable parts of the interview. Don't you think that that
Sam just took it as an opportunity to tell some yarns.
It's like, oh, we didn't have I didn't have a phone.
Oh yeah, that's because I threw it overboard. Oh yeah,
we were the only country the officials didn't help us.

(01:06:01):
Oh except for also the US and the UK. And
then oh yeah, the UK was arresting their citizens. Are
Actually maybe not like I just feel like Sam's yarns.
Sam's yarns were actually much more fun than reality. Realities
is far less, far less interesting. We helped them. He
threw his phone overboard. Maybe shouldn't have done that. Cheersy's
is with us. Next news Talk, said B.

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Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Even in coming up in the next hour, the world's
first resort hospital has opened in Macaw. Peter Lewis will
explain it to us. Barry Sopah will wrap the political
week that was in Gail Downey does the UK for
US at seven past six. Now, investment platform Charesy's is
definitely not a minor player anymore. The company is in
the final stages of a twenty million dollar capital raise,
which values the platform it's seven hundred and fifty million dollars.

(01:07:13):
Layton Roberts is one of the three eos of Chares.
He's highlighting Hello, are you pleased with the capital raise?

Speaker 10 (01:07:21):
Yeah, i am, I'm really happy. Thank you.

Speaker 18 (01:07:23):
Oversubscribed yes, yep, A lot of interests out there Primarily
this was an existing shareholders raise, so reasonably small for
the size of our business, I suppose, but yeah, really
happy how much?

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
By how much was it oversubscribed?

Speaker 10 (01:07:42):
I can't really give those exact numbers.

Speaker 25 (01:07:44):
For part of it was interest that we didn't end
up taking, but sort of, you know, materially, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
What are you going to do with the money that
you raise?

Speaker 25 (01:07:54):
The business got much larger, so just a strong balance
sheet is really important. Now we have been cash flow
positive for the last year or so, so but the
other side of it is a bunch of growth, particularly
in our B to B business. We've got a really large,
more global opportunity there, so we intend to invest more
heavily into that area of the business.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
I see that you guys, reckon, you've got a perception issue,
which is that your investors are just dabblers. Why is
that do you think?

Speaker 10 (01:08:19):
I actually don't think we've got a perception issue at all.

Speaker 25 (01:08:22):
I think sometimes other people have that perception of Cheesy's
But from what I see on the platform and the utilization,
you know, we now have over two thousand people with
a million dollar plus portfolios, tens of thousands and the
sort of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth portfolios, So
it's not something I have. It's not necessarily something I
care about either, because we made chees Us to be
an accessible platform from investing and I just love that

(01:08:44):
people do it, regardless of what amount of money there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
So you're right, I have attributed something to you that
actually was something that Patrick Smelley has said of Business Desk, right,
but is he wrong? I mean I wonder if there
is the perception that it's because when somebody told me
the value of some of the investment portfolios on your app,
I was shocked at how much money people have gotten there.
So the perception is that it's just for kind of
playing around.

Speaker 25 (01:09:07):
Yeah, perhaps for some people, but like I say, the
numbers sort of just don't signal that or certainly not
as I see all the companies that we work with.
You know, we run Fontiras for example, trading platform which
has all of the Farmer, the owners of Frontier and
the cooperative, and then we have like the Spark team
and all of the executive and many other companies in
New Zealand Australia as well who use the platform. So

(01:09:30):
like I get the perceptions there and for sure, just
like the population. You know, more people on our platform
have smaller amounts of money than very large amounts. But
I'd say that's very representative and if anything, we're growing,
like people are. The average balance on the platform nows
over fifteen thousand dollars you, so step back three or
four years, that was more like two or three thousand.
So it's definitely heading in the vision, in line with

(01:09:51):
the vision we hope to see.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah, hey, tell me how this new debit card works
for you guys.

Speaker 25 (01:09:57):
Yeah, so's like a normal debit card. We've partnered with
MasterCard on this one, and for the first time, Cheesy's
customers will be given in account numbers so they can
they have their own account number on the platform. And
the unique factor is like we really believe that income's
a massive part of wealth, and we want to encourage
people to invest more of their income. So we're starting
with when people can spend, they'll get a percent back.

(01:10:20):
So like our sort of view of it as it's
like democratizing the rewards systems that were previously just for
like those really elite platinum style credit card programs.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
So how much do you have to spend to get
one point back one hundred dollars.

Speaker 10 (01:10:34):
You'll get one dollar invested. So we're still I think
it's a great deal.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Might have to get me one of those, Layton, thanks
very much, appreciated Layton, Robert's three EO of Charesy's. But
you know what you can do, So you get yourself
that debit card and then you can load it on
your phone and use it to tap and go like
you would your credit card. So this is new technology
to me and could well be new technology to you.
And then if you're using the debit card, why you
want to use that instead of credit card? You avoid

(01:11:01):
the surcharges. You're welcome. Six to eleven he a duo
for Clum. Yeah, last day of the postal voting coming
in in the local body elections, and the turnout is yeah,
I think we've got a problem. Is what the turnout
tells us? So Wellington's turnout at the So when I
say last, just so that you know you can still

(01:11:23):
vote tomorrow, and I would strongly encourage you to. And
you want to go to a place like a supermarket
or a transport hub or something like that, you can
go vote in the booth there. Okay, like you do
with election days. Wellington turnout as of yesterday thirty percent,
which is pretty much what it was three years ago.
Auckland twenty two percent, which is well down on what
it was three years ago. It was just twenty seven percent.

(01:11:44):
Christ Church is thirty one percent. That's down from thirty
eight percent last year, last election, and this is the
same point right the day before. Dunedin twenty six percent
this time, down from thirty nine percent this time last election.
Mana with two thirty one percent. That's compared to thirty
seven percent at the same point as a massive drop.
Kai Coder forty one percent, steep drop from the fifty

(01:12:08):
two percent three years ago. Mackenzie District in Canterbury currently
forty eight percent. Fortunately, this is one of the ones
that's going up. It's higher than the forty one and
a half percent it was three years ago. Topaul was
sitting on forty percent. Big jump from the two to
thirty two this time last You know, I den I despair.
I mean, look, how many more how many more pieces

(01:12:29):
of data do we need to show that there is
a problem here. We've got this, We've got numpties who
are being elected. We've got people who are running unopposed
and getting elected because there's literally no one standing against them.
We obviously need a massive overhaul. Cannot wait for it.
Thirteen past six it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Heather Duper see allan drive full show podcast on my
Heart Radio powered by news dog Zebbi.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Heather where a matter of we're two haven't even received
our voting papers. Holy, okay, anyway, Look, don't feel too bad,
because Laura the German did receive her voting papers and
she promises me, she promises me that she's going to
hand them in tomorrow and she will not forget. However,
her observation on the quality of people she has to
vote for is what was it again, Laura? That either

(01:13:16):
crazy or unelectable, which many of us will have a
feeling many of us would share having a look at
the voting papers. All right, sixteen past six, Let's wrap
the political week that was with Barry so Per, senior
political correspondent. Welcome back, Barry, Hello again, Heather. Okay, so,
what do you think happens now in the wake of
Winston Peter's house being attacked? Does that legislation pass that
that basically prevents protest outside residential property?

Speaker 14 (01:13:38):
Oh, I think for sure it'll pass. It's back from
the Select Committee and you know it'lly. They've got the numbers,
so it will pass into law. And I think, look,
politicians and elected officials' homes, it should be free from protest.
I mean, nobody wants banging on drums and loudhailer's at night. Well,

(01:13:58):
you know it's the name is that you're as concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
It's kids, right, because some of these MPs who aren't
kind of gnarly jobs portfolios have actually got school aged
children living with them. They didn't ask to get involved.

Speaker 14 (01:14:12):
In this, No they didn't. And look, win Winston's house
has been the subject of a lot of protest. They've
had stickers on the front of it for which indicates
that people got up in the night and stuck them
up there. They've had red paint thrown at the place.
And this is over recent years. And the Israeli Gaza

(01:14:35):
thing really has I think divided New Zealand to such
an extent that and we saw the protester who invited
people down to protest at Winston Place losing her actor's
job essentially this week. So you know, people are so
divided and so vehement in their views, and one can

(01:14:55):
only hope this agreement will finally come or bear some fruit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Some good news this week in that double cut from
the Reserve Bank game.

Speaker 14 (01:15:03):
Well, yes, I mean, you know, I think what it
sees is that this was a consensus by the Monetary
Policy Committee, which is better than it was the last
time in a cup point two five percent that was
you know, two people dissented from that vote, So this time,
at least they're all on the same page, and that

(01:15:24):
to me says that they realize that they've been too
slow in getting off the mark. And it was an
engineer engineered recession by Adrian Orr before he left, and
it's carried on for so long, and it's not only
the Reserve Bank's fault the economy and the state that
it's in, but they do be a fairly large responsibility

(01:15:44):
in it.

Speaker 18 (01:15:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
The good thing about this is if this goes I mean, look,
there is a risk with the cut and that it
suddenly inflation gets out of control. But if this again,
but if it goes well, it actually does have the
potential to have the economy really humming by the time
we go to the polls for the NATS.

Speaker 14 (01:15:59):
Yeah, to have the economy humming is basically to have
people in a better frame of mind. That's what it's
all about. Yes, generally in a better frame of mind.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
It's good for the NATS because the NATS have fallen
below thirty and that's bad.

Speaker 14 (01:16:12):
Well terrible really, I mean that's psychological thirty percent, but
don't forget it's twenty nine point six percent and the
statistical margin of era and all these polls are three percent.
So and you know, polls at this time, whilst they
might be important on the leadership, and you may get
some MPs looking at the leadership and saying, well, I

(01:16:33):
could lose my place in parliament next time round, it
doesn't improve, and they most certainly will if this is
translated into votes at the election. But I don't think.
I think you'll find next year that the economy will
be starting to lift a little, not a lot, but
a little, and people's mood, the general mood of the

(01:16:55):
country will be better. And that's what certainly the National
Party and their coalition partners will be praying for.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Okay, so the hacker in Parliament.

Speaker 14 (01:17:04):
It's just so far wide of the mark as to
what that place should be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Do we not need to get used to this?

Speaker 14 (01:17:12):
We have no, we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
These guys are going to roll.

Speaker 14 (01:17:14):
We've we've got a party there with sex MP's in
Parliament and they are causing absolute chaos in the place.
The mode of dress in the debating chamber has changed
because roaring white to Tea wants to wear his hat
in Parliament and ties are gone, t shirts are in

(01:17:34):
sneakers or and I mean, this is unbelievable the way
Parliament looks now these days. But it's not only that
you relax those sorts of standards and all the rules
in Parliament go out the window.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
This is a Trevor problem. This is a Trevor problem
and a Jerry problem because Trevor started and Jerry continued, Well,
see for Jerry.

Speaker 14 (01:17:54):
I feel sorry for Jerry Browney because you know he's
confronted by this day out today. He sits and tells
them this is what's expected on them. He gets an undertaking,
as he did with the Kuiper in case that would
be no Harker at the end of the waiata and
he has to take their word for that, although although

(01:18:14):
hang on, although he won't take their word in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
He was the guy, though, I will remind you who
directed the house to really have a long, hard think
about how hard they wanted to punish the slot for
the last hucker, suggesting that he may have thought that
it was a disproportionate punishment.

Speaker 14 (01:18:28):
Well now, look, yeah, well no, I agree that. I
think if they are going to become hard, come down
on hard, Jerry Brownly will now be right in favor
of it, because they've really thumbed their nose at him
and done their own thing the way they want.

Speaker 10 (01:18:46):
It to be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Barry, thanks very much, Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent. Rapping
the political week that was, I need to get you
across a really interesting piece that the BBC has run
explaining why it is that Donald Trump has managed to
get the guards a situation to the point where we
have a ceasefire at the moment that looks like it
might hold. I'll run you through that, hopefully in the
next definitely in the next half hour, because it's the

(01:19:07):
last half hour of the program. I will do that
six twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Croasing the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
It's Heather due for Sea Ellen with the Business Hour
and MAS for Insurance investments and Kiwi Saber.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
You're in good hands, News Talk.

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Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
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very soon.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
To Peter Lewis. Of course, one of the things that's
happening this week is that Japan is going to get
its first female prime minister, so that's kind of an
exciting thing. He'll took us through the ramifications of that
six twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Oh you know that song, don't? Oh yeah, it's the
Game of Thrones and if you loved it, this once
for you. There is more from the world of West
Ross on the way. It's another prequel set one hundred
bit years before the time of John Snow. It's not
to be confused with the other Game of Thrones prequel,
which is How the Dragon, because that one's set two
hundred years before the main series. This new one is

(01:21:05):
called a Night of the Seven Kingdoms, and fans of
the books will know the story of Dunk and Egg,
and now their story is going to be told on screen.
There was a trailer released today.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
If you could bring them to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Ashford, I could quite hear so, Runny, I'll haunt you
down with dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
I'll get some what huh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
It seems like a pretty clear cut story of a
knight and his child squire traveling across the land of
west Ross. There's lots of training and jousting, maybe even
a proper battle if we're lucky. No sign of any
dragons just yet. The new show starts streaming January eighteen,
but we're not due for another season of the House
of the Dragon until mid next year. I feel like
it's fair to say that they are absolutely milking this one,

(01:21:48):
aren't they. They're making sure that they get the absolute
one hundred percent that they are able to get out
of the world of west Ross before we lose interest
in it. Hands the hands up in this team. Who's
watched any more than just no? Okay, so we've got
a lot of catching up. We haven't watched anything except
for the one with that that has the song anyway.
Peter Lewis is with us out of Asia very shortly.
News talksb.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
It's where there. It's the macro microbe for just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen
and maz for insurance investments and Kiwye Safer.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
You're in good hands us talks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Michael Downey is going to be with us out of
the UK shortly. Kirstarmer has been in India. Everybody loves Indian,
so of course does the UK. I'm very happy always
to tell you about a little bit of you know,
building of something that we need in this country. And
they are building. This is the government. They are building
a new hospital south of Auckland and they've just kicked
off the first stage. So the calling for land or
landowners in Drury to get in touch with potential sites

(01:23:01):
for the thing. And if you have been around there,
if you've lived in the Franklin district or that part
of the world, or know anybody there, you'll know that
this place desperately needs a hospital because I mean the
closest one is Middlemore and that's under so much pressure
as it is in Auckland City, which is yeah sure
not too much further up the motorway is also under
a lot of pressure from population growth. The closest hospital

(01:23:22):
to them is probably Pooka Koi, which has got that
private hospital. But it's always full, I'm told so Druri
getting a hospital and it's underway twenty four away from.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Seven ever Dopersla.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Keeter lewis out Asia Business correspondents with US. Hello, Peter, Hello,
have you been on holiday?

Speaker 16 (01:23:39):
I had a break because it's actually a bit too
busy to travel because you go about eight hundred eight
hundred million other people all doing it at the same time.
So it was nice to have the sort of the
eight days off, but I spent it mainly at home.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
So what is this Golden Week holiday?

Speaker 16 (01:23:56):
Well, this year it's been much longer than normal. It
was an eight day holiday. It occurs always at the
beginning of the beginning of October for China's National Day,
which is the first of October, the anniversary of the
founding of the People's Republic of China. But this year
we also had the Middle Autumn Festival as well, so
they sort of joined them together and made one big

(01:24:17):
eight day holiday. You get a huge amount of travel
going on. As I said, there's about eight hundred and
eighty million domestic trips were made during that week in total.
A lot of people go home back to their families,
but you also get a lot of travel around China.
Places like Beijing and Shanghai very popular. Overseas, Japan and

(01:24:39):
South Korea very popular as well, so you get a
lot of overseas travel, and it's often seen as a
guide to the state of the economy because this is
the chance for people to really splash out and go
and spend money on travel, on movies, on restaurants, and
so on. But the trend this year hasn't been that
great as an indication of China's economy because although there's

(01:25:02):
been a record number of trips, the amount of money
spent on those trips has declined. People just don't seem
to have the animal spirits anymore. They're really looking for
budget deals, budget holidays. Hotels, although they may be completely full,
have had to slash their prices, so they're not making
the same sort of money as before. And this is

(01:25:24):
all part of the fact that there's really a couple
of things going on. One is the property market. It's
still a very big overhang on the Chinese economy. It's
been going down now for about four years. And also
there's a lot of unemployment, particularly youth unemployment. Nearly one
in five students, people under twenty four are unemployed, so
it just doesn't really encourage people to go and splash

(01:25:48):
the cash.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
And now what do you know about this resort, hotel
and macw.

Speaker 23 (01:25:52):
Oh it's a great idea.

Speaker 16 (01:25:55):
Well, I tell you why it is because this is
a joint venue between IRAD in Hong Kong. Now, in
Hong Kong, IRAD is very well known. They are the
leading diagnostic groups. So if you need to go and
have a scan of some sort and X ray and
MRI scan, CT scan, the chances you will end up
at IRAD. And they've opened the world's first resort hospital

(01:26:18):
inside the Studio City Complex in Macau. Now this is
a huge, glitzy Hollywood themed casino and entertainment resort. And
the idea is that while you're there, Macaw has a
lot of visitors thirty nine million tourists each year. Some
of them are going to be quite health conscious and
maybe want to stay a bit longer and enjoy some

(01:26:40):
medical services. And medical tourism is absolutely booming in Asia.
The Asian region accounts for about seventy five percent of
the global market. Last year, it was about sixty billion
dollars worth of revenues. That's projected to double over the
next few years. South Korea, Singapore and Thailand very much

(01:27:01):
dominate that space. But with this captive number of people
coming to Macau, the idea is that Macau can try
and you tap into that sort of huge market for
medical tourism. And why not, why not after you know,
a heavy night at the roulette table, go and have
a full body scan and a collagen boost stuff afterwards.

Speaker 10 (01:27:23):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Why not combine two of your greatest loves. Now are
we going to get over the fact that the Japanese
prime minister, the incoming one, is a punk rocker.

Speaker 16 (01:27:34):
Well, there's two things that really stand out. If you're
a foreigner, you really only know two things about Takiji.
One is that she was a former drummer in a
heavy metal band when she's a student. And the other
thing is she's a big fan of Margaret Thatcher. She
likes to style herself on her even to wearing blue suits,
and even some of her economic policies are sort of

(01:27:55):
a little bit reminiscent of Thatcherism. So she's also proteget
The former prime minister Shinto are they and he was
Japan's longest serving prime minister and since he went, we
haven't really had anyone who's been around for more than
a year, so the hope is that she will.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
Do better than that.

Speaker 16 (01:28:15):
A lot of talk about the revival of abonomics. If
you remember, ebonomics was all about trying to spend a
lot of money to boost the economy. The Bank of
Japan cut interest rates into negative territory. I think the
last thing Japan needs right now is another dose of abonomics.
And anyway, there's no way the Bank of Japan can

(01:28:35):
cut interest rates, let alone into negative territory. It's actually
looking at putting them up at the moment. But what
it does signal is that Japan's going to become see
a lot more focus on trying to boost growth through borrowing,
through maybe some reforms of the Japanese economy, like trying

(01:28:56):
to get more women into the workforce, like trying to
reform the market to make it easier for foreign skilled
foreign workers to come in, all things that it needs
to do, but not habonomics. We're not going to see
the Bank of Japan start cutting interest rates.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Interesting. Hey, thank you very much, Peter, I appreciate it.
Look after yourself, Peter Lewis and good luck in Macaw.
Peter Lewis, Asia Business Correspondent. Obviously you know the Eagle
ide will pick me up on the fact that there's
a difference between being punk rocker being in a metal band,
So I apologize for that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
I need to tell you this, and I've been meaning
to tell you all week. There is a I don't
love the ETS. The ETS if you listen to the
experts that this is the missions trading scheme, the ETS
is going to fall apart within the next or probably
twelve years. So we're just putting ourselves through unnecessary pain
having stuff in the ETS. Anyway, there is a woman
called Renee Gens who's a sustainability and energy manager at

(01:29:48):
Dominion Salt, and she has launched a petition on Parliament's
website to basically, I think as get rid of the ETS,
or take electricity out of the ETS or something I
can't remember exactly, but basically it does. It makes sense.
Her point, she writes this, we have to consider rising
household costs because electricity generation is still included in the ETS.

(01:30:08):
Removing it would be a straightforward way to lower power
bills for everyone. Thermal firming is essential for the security
of supply. It is not a nice to have. The
ETS adds no value to the electricity system, which is
absolutely right. So I wish I could tell you what
the petition actually does. It feels like isn't that an

(01:30:29):
absolute dropping of the ball by me?

Speaker 14 (01:30:32):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
It is a dropping of the ball by me. But
remember I did go to the gym and went too
hard today, So give me a second and I'll tell
you what the petition does. Sixteen away from seven everything.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
From SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour with
Heather dup cl and Mass for Insurance Investments and Huie
Safer and you're in good hands News talks'd.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Be it's a review of the ETS. Gosh, I hate reviews,
don't you hate reviews? Reviews? Sometimes reviews just delay the
inevitable or just put off, you know, you just put
off having to make the tough call.

Speaker 14 (01:31:02):
But I'll take a.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Review ahead of doing nothing, instead of doing nothing, So
that's what that petitions for. It's thirteen away from seven
now Gail Downey our UK correspondents with us a logo,
Hi there, so is Starmer is still in India?

Speaker 10 (01:31:15):
Is he?

Speaker 23 (01:31:17):
He's on his way back?

Speaker 19 (01:31:18):
He's been there to discuss a trade deal between the
UK and India. He says it's a launch pad. The
meeting is a launch pad for closer ties. The trade
deal between UK and India has yet to be put
in place, but the government is already claiming it will
lead to two billion dollars worth of investment and seven

(01:31:39):
thousand jobs being.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Created in the UK.

Speaker 14 (01:31:42):
It's an interesting one, but.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
The tract has already been done some time ago. So
why the ongoing visits.

Speaker 19 (01:31:49):
Well, nothing actually at this very moment has been put
in place, so it's now kind of next steps if
you like. They've discussed what they want to do. Interestingly,
he took a trade delegation of born one hundred CEOs, entrepreneurs,
cultural leaders and university vice chancellors with him, and he

(01:32:10):
was quoted as saying he has to get a bigger
plane to fit everyone in who wanted to go. Everybody's
keen to have a piece.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Yeah, of a place that's definitely on the app, isn't
it now? Rishis next. So he's got himself a job
at Anthropic.

Speaker 19 (01:32:26):
Yes, and it's an interesting one because he's become a
paid advisor at Microsoft and as you say, the artificial
intelligence startup Anthropic. He'll continue to work as an MP
while he's being paid to work with his other companies,
and he said that he plans to donate all his
earnings for a charity he's set up with his wife,

(01:32:47):
is called the Richmond Project and aims to tackle numerous
problems in the UK.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
What does it say about how much work he's doing
as an MP, though.

Speaker 19 (01:32:58):
Well, that's an interesting one, he has said, and in
his last Prime Minister's questions he did say, you know,
my home's in Yorkshire, my heart is in Yorkshire and
all that. But how he'll juggle the two I don't know.
There's also rules around what ex ministers and xmps can
do in terms of lobbying on behalf of you know,

(01:33:20):
companies that they take up.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Work with, and the rules are very strict.

Speaker 19 (01:33:26):
Actually he can't lobby on behalf of any of the
tech firms, but they obviously feel that he's got something
worth having because both Microsoft and and as you say,
Anthropic are paying him to do so.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Yeah, well for your point, now, what's the problem with
the licensing rules on the pubs and the bars.

Speaker 19 (01:33:44):
Well, the licensing rules have always been a bit antiquated,
let's say around how long they can open for, what
days they can open for, and gradually and gradually and
gradually these have kind of been pulled back so that
people can and open their part, their bar, their club
a bit longer. And this really is another push to

(01:34:07):
try and help the UK economy. So they're now having
a fast track. The government said, look, we're having a
full four week fast track call for evidence from publand
lords and people living locally who'd obviously be affected if
you live near a pub about about increasing hours and
these music venues, you know, one offs that people can have. However,

(01:34:30):
there are concerns that if you do relax the rules
too much around alcohol, it could, on the other hand,
lead to more antisocial behavior. So it's got this four
week review and we'll, as you talked about reviews, a
four week review and we'll see what so what happens
from their reviews.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Look After Yourself girl has been lovely to have you
on the show this week. There's Gal Downey, UK correspondent.
Hither is the dog in the car again?

Speaker 10 (01:34:55):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
Did you hear the dog? So I think we know
the answers. The dog got put in the car again.
All right, So the BBC's done this piece on it,
just explaining how it is that Trump managed to land
us in a situation with the Gaza breakthrough that was,
you know, which Biden was never able to do. Now,
I had started to wonder if it may have been
possible that the pressure, like if we got to the

(01:35:16):
point where we are right now because all of these
in these states started recognizing, all these countries started recognizing
Palestine as a state. No, that is not what got
us to this point. It was the strike on Qatar.
The strike on Qatar was the thing that got Donald
Trump so upset that he basically called Benjamin Netanyahu in
and said, right, that's enough, You've gone way too far.
You need to sort this out. And he basically made

(01:35:37):
ben him and net Ya who called Katar and apologized
to them personally while he sat nearby and monitored the situation. Then,
because we're given I mean, Trump has been given so
much grief for his business dealings in the Middle East,
but it would appear that the business dealings in the
Middle East may actually have helped to get to the
situation to the point where it is right now, because

(01:35:58):
he had long standing ties with them at least, and
they trusted him to some extent. And of course he's
had you know, in the previous administration. He's done things
like the Abraham Accords and so on, and so it's
built up a little bit of kind of favor. So
as a result of that, he was able to use
his relationship with the Middle East, with with the Arab
countries there to weigh in on Hamas and force them
to take the deal. Also, the fact that the Europeans

(01:36:20):
were annoyed, so maybe the State of Palestine thing did
play a bit of a role in there, that the
Europeans were annoyed split from America publicly on it, that
played apart. But also just the mere fact that he
has a better relationship with Benjamin Nyahu than Biden is
the reason he was able to do this, and Biden
was never Eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
Just going back to what you said about the voter
turn out. This is for tomorrow because I don't know
if you know it, but tomorrow is the local body elections.
No most of us didn't. Low percentage is good for
local government, as it's normally the rate payers that vote.
In the past, you've had left wing campaigns that have
energized the non rate payer voters to spend free money
for a better community. Now yeah, okay, I'm not even

(01:37:10):
going to argue with that, and it might make some sense,
I suppose to some degree. Now, today is an auspicious
day because today is the very last day of Libby
the producer being with us, and Libby Libby deserves to
have her say in response to all of the grief
that we've been giving her, because Libby has very admirably
filled in on the show for producer ants who I
don't know if you realize, has actually been on the

(01:37:32):
first holiday of his life in I don't know, first
holiday in like fifteen years. It's gone to Japan for
five weeks, so he's going to come back all, you know,
cool and and sophisticated and stuff. Libby, has it been
the worst five weeks of your life? Or would you
recommend it? Would you recommend to come again? I'd come again,
would you if you'd have me? Oh yeah, we will
have you come again anytime. Yeah, Oh yeah, I mean

(01:37:53):
thank you, Libby. That's saying a lot coming from you,
and also do you want to address the allegations that
you're in fact a misogynist.

Speaker 14 (01:37:59):
There is a different suit coming your way.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Okay, used to that? Just go be a say they'll
side with you, they hate me. What have you got
for us? I've got something over you. Better make it good.
Let me because it's your last one. I'm very excited
about this.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
I've got no one else but Victoria Beckham to take
us out, throwing all.

Speaker 19 (01:38:18):
The way back to two thousand and one years because
her new documentary is out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Oh mate, it's pan have you seen it? And by haters?

Speaker 18 (01:38:28):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Have you watched it? Though, I'm going to watch Oh
so that's before you watch it. You've already decried the
reviewers because they're the haters? Are they they are? Okay,
because it did say it's all posh and no spice,
like there's nothing sassy. And if you've watched the Beckham documentary,
it's very it's very controlled, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:38:48):
I mean, yeah, you don't become a Beckham without being controlled.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Yeah, I mean, look, they're not even friends with one
of their sons at the moment. So okay, well we'll
see how it goes. We'll see how it goes, and
then if it turns out to in fact being exactly
what the producer, the reviews have said, and all posh,
no spies, we'll just talk smack about Libby. She won't
be here to defend herself. Libby, it's been lovely to
have you on the show. Thank you. You're welcome back anytime.
Thank you, Go and have yourself a lovely weekend. We'll
see you again on Monday. Newsoks e b.

Speaker 24 (01:39:22):
Me that that's a jot think.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
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